Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, August 27th, 2011, 00:00 UTC

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azexian:

I'm getting no listing results on mythtv, channels all coming through fine but no epg, anyone got any ideas?

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sphery:

we'll need a lot more info to even guess

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azexian:

ok, dvb-t card, running mythbuntu, what other data would you like?

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sphery:

like where in the world you are

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sphery:

I'm guessing UK

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azexian:

in the uk, tried bleb and radiotimes

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azexian:

internet is working fine

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sphery:

for radiotimes, you'd have to configure your system (including scanning for channels in mythtv--in theory you've done this part) then add xmltvids for each of the found channels

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sphery:

probably the same for bleb (assuming it's using a grabber and not EIT)

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azexian:

ok, what about eit?

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sphery:

some UK guys could tell you better about how/where to find the xmltvids

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sphery:

for eit, you would enable it and it will eventually populate it

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sphery:

however, note that you cannot mix EIT and non-EIT guide data on the same channel

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azexian:

ok, so i just leave it and it populates over time?

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sphery:

so you have to use either EIT or XMLTV for each channel

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sphery:

yes

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sphery:

once you enable it on the channels and the input connection

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azexian:

ok, I'll try EIT again, just last time not much luc

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azexian:

k

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azexian:

on a different note i can

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sphery:

it can take time to get it

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azexian:

can't get my remote to work

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azexian:

I get no results on xev

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azexian:

tried playing with the events of it, card should be well supported

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azexian:

(nova-t)

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azexian:

no clues?

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Seeker`:

my nova t remote died a while ago, couldn't get it to pick up anything

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azexian:

well i brought the card of ebay, they said it all worked but no guarentee, I have a remote I got with a different card that i know works with the other card, should that be picked up on xev if I point at it?

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Seeker`:

errr, not sure

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Seeker`:

I think the problem was with the receiver/card side rather than the physical remote

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Seeker`:

I had a spare keyboard so I just used that instead

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azexian:

i have the ir receiver from the other card too and have tried with that too but nothing on xev at all, not sure if it's driver related or the card is dud, really do want a working remote though

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Seeker`:

I didn't manage to get mine working, so I don't really have any advice. I'm not really an expert though.

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azexian:

ok, what about commercial skipping, does that only work for recordings?

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Seeker`:

err

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Seeker`:

what else would you expect it to work for?

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azexian:

i wondered if you paused a program for long enough if it would skip ads for you automatically

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azexian:

guess not

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Seeker`:

no, it won't do that

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Seeker`:

not too hard to do that manually though

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azexian:

yeah guess you just skip through

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azexian:

any clues roughly how long i should wait fr epg to get received before i get worried?

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Seeker`:

the data from the epg is pretty poor

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Seeker`:

you would be better off using the radio times data grabber

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azexian:

ok, how hard is it to setup?

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Seeker`:

not too hard, just a bit tedious to associate all of the channels with the xmltvids

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azexian:

i looked on the site about it, seemed you either had to do it with excel or manually type in each code, i kinda hoped it was just outdated as it seemed very longwinded

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Seeker`:

it will generate a RT.something file while will contain a list of them

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Seeker`:

you have to manually copy + paste them

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Seeker`:

best way to do it is in mythweb

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azexian:

right ok, so need to setup my mythweb then have a play with that

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Seeker`:

should be set up already

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Seeker`:

just put the ip of the backend in to your webbrowser

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azexian:

ok, I'll check that out now...

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Seeker`:

but you'll need to set the RT thing up in mythtv-setup before you get the list of IDs

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azexian:

ok, so mythtv-setup, tell it rt, then rt command --configure it, cp the file out into myth, then what is it?

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Seeker`:

the --configure thing should make a ~/.mythtv/RT.something file

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Seeker`:

(sorry, not on a linux machine atm, so a bit vague)

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azexian:

that's no bother, I'm just being lazy I'll go dig up the how to

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Seeker`:

is that file there?

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Seeker`:

~/.mythtv/RT.xmltv

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azexian:

nope

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Seeker`:

hmm

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azexian:

fantastic, just found a script to do the whole thing for me, might give this one a go tonight :d

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azexian:

http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_id.php

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Seeker`:

that might be old

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azexian:

can't see a date on it, shouldn't have changed too much though right?

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Seeker`:

some of the IDs are out of date

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azexian:

i'm a little confused, thought the ids were generated per user?

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Seeker`:

no, the xmltvid's

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Seeker`:

so what identifies the channels in the data from RT

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azexian:

ok, so this script is worthless?

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azexian:

ah i see

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Seeker`:

not worthless

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Seeker`:

just 3 years old

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Seeker`:

better off following the stuff on the wiki

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azexian:

alright, thanks for all this by the way =)

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Seeker`:

np

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Seeker`:

my advice has probably been a bit vague :P

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azexian:

not at all, just stopped me going down a completely wrong line with that other site =)

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** cesman is getting premium channels w/ InfiniTV 4 and cable card! **

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** wagnerrp is killing an augmented michael ironsides **

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iamlindoro:

Are you playing some Splinter Cell game or something?

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wagnerrp:

deus ex

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iamlindoro:

I think that name doesn't end in an s

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iamlindoro:

ohhhh

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, I want to get that

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wagnerrp:

one of the generic bad special ops guys sounds awfully like him

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wagnerrp:

it is most definitely a stealth game

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wagnerrp:

a couple bullets and youre dead

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iamlindoro:

So much for being technologically augmented

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wagnerrp:

although you recover health slowly, so if youre shot at, and run and hide, youll recover

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iamlindoro:

If it was on Steam on Mac, I'd order it up tonight

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iamlindoro:

alas

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wagnerrp:

it sounds like michael ironsides, but up half an octave

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if they actually do such things

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wagnerrp:

transform recorded voices to give more variety

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Seeker`:

nah, GLaDOS was a normal speaking voice :P

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wagnerrp:

fantastic, you can recover crossbows

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wagnerrp:

(ive only got six of them

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bruderbell:

Hi folks. Anyone know of troubles using opengl in natty?

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bruderbell:

(in mythtv)

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iamlindoro:

Rather than prompting someone to tell you what your problem is, why not tell us about it instead?

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iamlindoro:

ie, start from a question and work towards an answer, not vice versa

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bruderbell:

Rog. I'm running on a pretty minimalistic hardware platform, with integrated HD4200 graphics. I had a great setup running for about 8 months on hardy, and recently updated to natty. I've been tuning my playback profiles to try to get rid of stuttering and jitter, and thought I was on to something until I selected ffmpeg and opengl. Recordings playback really well with it, but livetv plays audio and no video

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iamlindoro:

I expected something like that-- the reality is that GL issues generally have less to do with the distro, and a lot to do with the GPU driver-- Intel GPUs have notoriously bad GL performance to begin with, and the Intel driver devs seem to have broken drivers more often than they work

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iamlindoro:

Intel Integrated graphics working acceptably for myth is really a roll of the dice-- which driver revision you end up with, is it a full moon, does the day end in a y when the distro is frozen, etc.

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bruderbell:

Sorry – i may have led you down the wrong road

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bruderbell:

It's ATI HD4200

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iamlindoro:

OK. Are you using the open source drivers, or the proprietary ones?

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bruderbell:

was using the proprietary ones, just uninstalled to see what effect that has. It now doesn't playback on ffmpeg/opengl at all

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iamlindoro:

yeah, I wouldn't expect good results with the open source ones

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bruderbell:

I guess my main question is: why would it playback recordings well but not livetv?

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iamlindoro:

Proprietary is what you want

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iamlindoro:

there are subtle timing differences between live and recorded playback, and with finicky drivers, it can mean playing versus not

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bruderbell:

Rog. Apparently the system wants a reboot to deal with the proprietary drivers

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iamlindoro:

It comes down to timing, and thus it's difficult to tell you what to do differently

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bruderbell:

I shall return

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wagnerrp:

laser sight and headshots with something silenced seems to be the way to go

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wagnerrp:

minor flaw with the AI

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wagnerrp:

you can point the thing in their face and they dont notice

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iamlindoro:

Maybe the bad guys are just dicks to each other when you're not around

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iamlindoro:

and they're used to it

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iamlindoro:

So anyway, as awful as our users can be sometimes, SiliconDust Customers are even bigger douchebags

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iamlindoro:

there are about 100 of them on the SD forums demanding coupons and money back because the Prime got delayed by a production problem last month

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Gibby:

tryhing to compile lirc 0.9.0.... i don't see an option for mceusb...

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sphery:

iamlindoro: heh, the HDHR Prime just wants to be free

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iamlindoro:

sphery: But they WANTED IT NOWWWWWWWWW

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sphery:

besides, why support one of the few (2) companies that actually support GNU/Linux usage

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wagnerrp:

Gibby: correct, lirc 0.9.0 does not provide drivers for mceusb devices any longer

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sphery:

MCE don't need no steenkin' drivers

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Gibby:

ok, will try an older version... i have mine all foobared up

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wagnerrp:

lirc 0.9.0 does not support ANY devices any longer

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sphery:

I'm guessing the problem isn't that you upgraded to a version too new to support your hardware

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sphery:

I'm guessing that you're trying to use an old, deprecated approach to use your hardware

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iamlindoro:

What they said

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Gibby:

wokring on migrating backend to new hardward... same os and version... no clue how i had it working in the other one

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wagnerrp:

0.9.0 saw the drivers move into the kernel

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wagnerrp:

and all it provides is the daemon and support applications

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Gibby:

ugh... stuck on this crap lirc_mceusb: disagrees about version of symbol

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clever:

sounds like the module needs to be recompiled against the new kernel

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Gibby:

just did

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wagnerrp:

module from where?

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iamlindoro:

Then the module being loaded isn't the one you just compiled

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wagnerrp:

if you compiled the module from anywhere other than the kernel source tree, you did it wrong

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Gibby:

i downlaoded it for lirc.org and compiled from there :(

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** sphery suggests you read all the help you've gotten, above **

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sphery:

like the part saying that lirc doesn't supply the MCE USB drivers, now

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Gibby:

i have... am i missing something......i compiled the 0.8.7 version not 0.9.0

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Gibby:

i would i check which one is being loaded?

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sphery:

modinfo

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Gibby:

interesting i have a lirc_mceusb and a mceusb

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sphery:

meaning your kernel is new enough that you should be moving ahead instead of trying to drag it back to the dark ages :)

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Gibby:

so how do i move ahead.....

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Seeker`:

which distro are you using?

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Gibby:

ubuntu 10.04

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iamlindoro:

sphery: nonsense, all he needs to do is insert the PVR-350 module, then activate its framebuffer output, all whilst tuning his VIA CPU

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Seeker`:

why are you compiling it?

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Gibby:

it no worky wokry

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Gibby:

the output from dmesg that i googled, suggested a re-compile

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Gibby:

probably shouldn't have forced the kernel upgrade

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Seeker`:

why do you need lirc 0.9 if you are only running ubuntu 10.04?

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sphery:

Gibby: might want to read through some of the posts on the list about 0.9.0 and mceusb: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . re&mh=25

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Gibby:

i was going to use 0.9.0 cause it was the latest and it was not working on ubuntu 10.04 with 2.6.38–10 kernel.. since they did something funky in it... so i had 2 options compile new or roll back... went to compile 0.9.0, found they does'nt have mceusb in there anymore... so i used 0.8.7.... no cluck... rolled back kernel... still no luck

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Seeker`:

I mean, why is it so important to use the latest lirc if you're going to use an almost 18-month-old version of ubuntu

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Seeker`:

seems a bit "I need 12GB DDR3 to go with my abacus!"

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Gibby:

go it... no clue how tho lol

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Gibby:

no to just migrate the pxe boot stuff

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Gibby:

how would 1 reset the hdpvr bitrates back to default?

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iamlindoro:

We don't have a mechanism for setting settings back to their defaults-- you'd need to read the code that inserted the default HD-PVR recording profiles and replicate the values

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Twiggy2cents:

Global Thermonuclear Warefare...

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Gibby:

iamlindoro, ok ty, just wondering....

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Twiggy2cents:

damn... s/Warefare/Warfare

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Gibby:

so I know the hdpvr's sometimes have to be power cycled..... what about a pvr-150 card.... it just kinda disappeared when i was stress testing....

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Gibby:

restarted the backend no change..... http://pastebin.com/TYYvtWGm

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iamlindoro:

That's mythbackend telling you there's something wrong with your device node, eg, a driver , permissions, or other configuration problem

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iamlindoro:

So restarting myth won't do anything, since it'll just try to open the device and find it impossible again

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: one thing im disappointed that is missing, no mutually exclusive augs

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wagnerrp:

technically, you have everything installed already

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wagnerrp:

youre just only allowed to slowly activate them as your brain acclimates to the augs (through leveling up)

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iamlindoro:

Did Alphas seriously introduce a dangerous-powers mutant with the name "Skylar?"

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iamlindoro:

Note to TV Industry: If you're a pretty crap knock off second-rate superhero show, don't introduce characters named one letter off from the last pretty crap knock off second-rate superhero show

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Gibby:

iamlindoro, i restarted the whole box... it was working then just went again

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Gibby:

s/again/away/

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wagnerrp:

oh yeah! killed by the invisible wall!

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: this guy jumps like a white man

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wagnerrp:

the augs! they do nothing!

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wagnerrp:

gah... anything like 15ft or up is a fatal fall

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Beirdo:

things heard on the bus...

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Beirdo:

"Why don't we just go already, this bus is so slow...." "Shut up, you moron, that's a red light!"

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FLeiXiuS_:

Will myth use a built in method for changing channels when a firewire capture card is selected?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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FLeiXiuS_:

wagnerrp: Hmm...I'm not getting any feedback when using 'fetch channels'

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wagnerrp:

fetch channels from listings source?

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FLeiXiuS_:

wagnerrp: Yep

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wagnerrp:

did you configure your scheduled direct account?

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FLeiXiuS_:

wagnerrp: Im assuming you cant use EIT then?

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iamlindoro:

There's no such thing as EIT on firewire

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wagnerrp:

EIT assumes the person on the other end cares to give you such data

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wagnerrp:

either way, how could fetching channels from a listing source possibly work if you dont have a listings source?

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FLeiXiuS_:

wagnerrp: I was going through a fairy tail and expecting myth to scan all frequencies for possible data ;-P

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wagnerrp:

firewire has no 'frequencies'

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wagnerrp:

considering firewire is capable of four-digit numbers

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wagnerrp:

mythtv would have to scan through 9999 channels, testing whether or not the cable box is willing to give it data there

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wagnerrp:

it would take several hours

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FLeiXiuS_:

Hours would be worth the cost of free ;-)

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[R]:

wagnerrp: set it and forget it

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[R]:

(tm)

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wagnerrp:

free, versus $20/yr?

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iamlindoro:

and then that information would be useless since 5C is per-program, not per-channel

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iamlindoro:

so the data you had just collected would be immediately invalid

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FLeiXiuS_:

Well fortunately for me, 5c fsck my day regardless on Fios.

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wagnerrp:

buy a cablecard tuner

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wagnerrp:

recently available and supported

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wagnerrp:

youll be able to get all the channels you could over firewire, with a cheaper monthly fee

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FLeiXiuS_:

wagnerrp: Yeah I was looking at the hdpvr-1212

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wagnerrp:

that is not a cablecard tuner

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wagnerrp:

nor is it any kind of tuner

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FLeiXiuS_:

I was just saying for a capture device...

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wagnerrp:

nor is it the 'hdpvr-1212', its just the 'hdpvr'

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FLeiXiuS_:

I thought Fios encrypts all of the non broadcasted channels?

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FLeiXiuS_:

1212 is the model meh

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wagnerrp:

1212 is the internal part number

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wagnerrp:

hdpvr is the model

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FLeiXiuS_:

Non the less, are you a fios customer/

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wagnerrp:

cablecard tuners operate off copy protection markings

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wagnerrp:

firewire operates off those same markings

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wagnerrp:

if you can record over firewire, you can record from a cablecard tuner

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FLeiXiuS_:

Hmm, I'll have to look them up.

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wagnerrp:

although the same may not be said the opposite direction

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FLeiXiuS_:

This would allow me to remove my STB from my media center completely then, correct?

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wagnerrp:

thats the general idea

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wagnerrp:

anything marked copy freely can be recorded

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wagnerrp:

everything else, you need a cable box and analog capture

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wagnerrp:

copy freely != encrypted

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FLeiXiuS_:

wagnerrp: Yeah. Right now..I can record USA SD but not USA HD.

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FLeiXiuS_:

To me, that makes no sense at all. Perhaps it could be a firewire issue, is there a way to check if the channel is marked copy-freely?

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wagnerrp:

look online for how to put your cable box into diagnostic mode

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wagnerrp:

however note that cable boxes are no longer required to support firewire

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wagnerrp:

and there was never any stipulation that it had to provide copy freely channels without 5c encryption

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wagnerrp:

hence the statement before

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wagnerrp:

if you can capture from firewire, you can capture with a cablecard tuner, but that is not reciprocal

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FLeiXiuS_:

understood, I think the cablecard method would work better. As this would allow me to have many capture devices without paying an arm and a leg for service.

[06:45:15]

FLeiXiuS_:

$35+ per device is a killer. (roughly)

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wagnerrp:

HDHomeRun Prime gives you three tuners on a single cablecard rental

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wagnerrp:

usually a couple bucks a month

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wagnerrp:

$35/mo/box?

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FLeiXiuS_:

Yep...thats considering we have Full HD packages + Multi room dvr support

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FLeiXiuS_:

Myth would easily be saving me > 500 a year

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FLeiXiuS_:

Seeing as I already have frontends ready to roll.

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wagnerrp:

i dont think you have that right

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wagnerrp:

it should be like $50-$100 for the service

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wagnerrp:

and like like $10/mo/box

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FLeiXiuS_:

Our contract has us at a 50$. Then it's like 15 for the device + 15 for DVR

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FLeiXiuS_:

I'll have to recheck, but I know for a fact its an arm and a leg ;-)

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FLeiXiuS_:

wagnerrp: I take it hdhomerun is fully supported in the current version of myth? I just noticed it streams over ethernet rather usb/firewire/pci

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

know any tivo users near you?

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FLeiXiuS_:

Nope..

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FLeiXiuS_:

Im curious of the cost per cable card from verizon. 1 sec..

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FLeiXiuS_:

From what I've been reading, people are suggesting I use a provider cablecard with a HDHomeRun Prime

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justjulian:

newbie question.. google, FAQ, etc have not answered.. Is there a way to connect to a digital tuner that I can control only via CLI.. in other words I cansupply MythTV with a shell command to change channels or to change other parameters but there is no V4L interface.?

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laga:

justjulian: how will mythtv get the video stream?

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justjulian:

either as a UDP stream or as a direct pipe/filedescriptor

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wagnerrp:

mythtv supports V4L, mythtv supports multicast UDP

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laga:

you can provide a channel change script. and there is also a dummy recorder for files, I believe. not sure if these two can be combined together

[07:02:33]

wagnerrp:

there is an import recorded, meant to pull in external files

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justjulian:

laga: thanks it's not hopeless then..

[07:03:26]

wagnerrp:

what are you trying to accomplish?

[07:03:45]

justjulian:

from the command line I can stream video out to VLC or mplayer etc.. or to a file..

[07:04:27]

justjulian:

I'd like a convenient way to do that without having to write the whole thing myself :-)

[07:05:04]

wagnerrp:

what is this data coming from?

[07:05:20]

wagnerrp:

if its not scheduled, broadcast tv... or something similar, mythtv is not the proper tool

[07:05:21]

justjulian:

i.e schedule a channels change andn thenrecord for XX minutes etc. and then have an interface to clients to watch what has been recorded..

[07:05:40]

wagnerrp:

why not just record the shows directly?

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justjulian:

basically what mythTV does.. the only downside is that as it's BSD the V4L interface isn't used on the tuner.

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wagnerrp:

as it's BSD, there really is no interface available, or drivers, or really anything

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justjulian:

wow really?

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wagnerrp:

under freebsd, you can use the HDHomeRun (as it connects over ethernet), or any USB DVB tuner through webcamd

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justjulian:

myth TV works fine with the IP connected tuners and USB based tuners

[07:08:21]

justjulian:

I just hapen to have a PCI based tuner..

[07:08:44]

justjulian:

I can control it fine via the CLI

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FLeiXiuS_:

wagnerrp: The HDHomeRun's are 3 tuners -> 1 CableCard. Meaning I can watch 3 separate channels at a time correct?

[07:08:55]

wagnerrp:

you could theoretically use IVTV cards (PVR-150/PVR-500), but the BSD drivers for the itvc cards is buggy

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justjulian:

so I was hoping that MythTV might have a CLI script interface

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wagnerrp:

as is mythtv's support for CXM tuners

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does have the import recorder, for pulling in files found on the filesystem

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wagnerrp:

what tuner card?

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justjulian:

conexant cx 88 series

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justjulian:

pchdtv 3000

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justjulian:

the driver works fine, except that the interface is not V4L

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wagnerrp:

you wouldnt want to use that device under V4L anyway

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wagnerrp:

its a framegrabber

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wagnerrp:

which means its garbage for recording analog

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justjulian:

analog? what's analog?

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wagnerrp:

the kind of video V4L is used to capture

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justjulian:

no analog stations within range here any more..

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wagnerrp:

so why are you talking about V4L

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justjulian:

it's what the mythTV web pages all talk about

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wagnerrp:

anyone using the V4L recorder in mythtv is a masochist

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FLeiXiuS_:

LOL

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justjulian:

what I really would love is a backend tuner module that just knows how to say "tune to channel xyz and put the results in file ABC"

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justjulian:

using a shell command

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wagnerrp:

thats the import recorder

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laga:

justjulian: perhaps you would be interested in the old dbox2 recorder code. it's been removed since a few versions, though

[07:15:09]

laga:

but listen to wagnerrp, he knows what he's talking about

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laga:

unlike me.

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justjulian:

it seems unlikely that no-one has ever wanted a dummy tuner module before.. :-)

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wagnerrp:

import recorder

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wagnerrp:

designed to import shows externally captured to the hard drive

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justjulian:

well that would be half of it.. I'd also like to use the scheduling part of MythTV to actually record the shows to disk in the first place.

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wagnerrp:

the... import... recorder...

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justjulian:

ok ok

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laga:

well

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laga:

you will need an EPG there

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justjulian:

what's an EPG when it's in english?

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wagnerrp:

electronic program guide

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justjulian:

external program generator?

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justjulian:

:-)

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wagnerrp:

the guide data mythtv uses to schedule your recordings

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wagnerrp:

with a pchdtv 3000, youre in north america, and that means schedules direct

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justjulian:

that shouldn't be too much of a problem as that is OS independent :-)

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justjulian:

(and tuner independnet)

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wagnerrp:

although to be honest, if you insist on sticking with BSD, youre much better off picking up an HDHomeRun

[07:22:27]

wagnerrp:

its about the only tuner able to be used reliably with freebsd

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wagnerrp:

since its accessed over ethernet directly by mythtv

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justjulian:

I have this and I'm cheap :-)

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justjulian:

It works really well and produces nice video.

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wagnerrp:

a HDHR costs about as much as thet -3000 did

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justjulian:

yeah but I already HAVE this..

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wagnerrp:

besides, it doesnt technically produce video

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wagnerrp:

it just tunes a compressed data stream

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wagnerrp:

your broadcaster produces the video

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justjulian:

I watch TV with it quite often. I just want a scheduling framework and a way to watch it and control teh stream from remote clients

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wagnerrp:

you dont want to record?

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justjulian:

ok not a video stream but an encoded compressed stream of data that can be decoded and inflated to produce a video stream..

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justjulian:

wagnerrp: yes of course I do.. I an do that now too but it's just inconvenient.

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wagnerrp:

yes, but that -3000 produces the exact same bit accurate video as any other digital tuner

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wagnerrp:

i mean, mythtv doesnt technically do livetv

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justjulian:

ik

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wagnerrp:

it does recordings

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wagnerrp:

and it does recordings with some glue to allow it to be watched a few seconds behind live, with channel changing control

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justjulian:

I prefer recorded video to live..

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justjulian:

skip ads etc.

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wagnerrp:

livetv sessions are still recorded to disk, just like a pre-scheduled recording

[07:28:27]

wagnerrp:

and get deleted after around a day, or earlier if you need to free up space

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justjulian:

now if these modules exist (a script driver and a file importer) I just need to navigate the crazy setup screens to work out how to specify them

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wagnerrp:

i think theres really only one person who actually understands how the import recorder works

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wagnerrp:

and thats only because he wrote it

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt get much use

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justjulian:

:-)

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justjulian:

can I set up these things via some .conf file somewhere or does everythign have to be done via the horrible setup?

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wagnerrp:

everything gets set up through the GUI

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justjulian:

well I'm wandering through it now.. (still on part 1) for some reason I can't see my mouse cursor..makes it "intersting"

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wagnerrp:

there is an undocumented command line option to enable it, i dont recall what

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wagnerrp:

normally, you enable it in the frontend

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justjulian:

hmm am I looking for "Import test recorder"?

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wagnerrp:

import recorder, i believe

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wagnerrp:

theres only a handful of options

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wagnerrp:

it will be the one with 'import' in the name

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FabriceMG:

With new field (season and episode ) in Recorded table, Why the information field 'syndicatedepisodenumber' for 'Program' table is not copied into these new fields?

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FabriceMG:

question for 0.25

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FabriceMG:

It's voluntary?

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wagnerrp:

because syndicatedepisodenumber has nothing to do with numerical season and episode numbers

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wagnerrp:

those values may be encoded in syndicatedepisodenumber, or they may not be

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wagnerrp:

and if they are, there is no standard format for them to exist in

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FabriceMG:

But if the values were copied into these fields, the records in Watch Recordings would be sorted

[07:57:02]

FabriceMG:

I have make 1 script for this , and he works perfectly in Watch Recording

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FabriceMG:

It's silly to lose the information when it is in the program table

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wagnerrp:

do those values match up with those you might find on thetvdb or tvrage?

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wagnerrp:

or do they just happen to be linear to allow sorting?

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wagnerrp:

besides, those values are NOT lost

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wagnerrp:

they get stored to recordedprogram

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FabriceMG:

yes, but not used for sort recordings in Watch Recording !

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FabriceMG:

If I want sort my recordings by season/episod , only 1 way -> Recoder Table

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wagnerrp:

or, you add a user job for mythmetadatalookup, and run it against all your recordings

[08:05:29]

wagnerrp:

make those tables get populated properly

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wagnerrp:

along with images, and other metadata

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FabriceMG:

I don't live in USA, Thetvdb don't know all french (or other country) sitcom

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wagnerrp:

thats only because you havent added them

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FabriceMG:

:)

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Scopeuk-AFK is now known as Scopeuk

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wagnerrp:

that site uses user generated content

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wagnerrp:

users just like you make it worthwhile

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FabriceMG:

I have all information in XMLTV

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wagnerrp:

except... you dont

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wagnerrp:

as mentioned, syndicatedepisodenumber does not follow any standard format that can be parsed out to season and episode integers

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FabriceMG:

It's easy to convert this informations into season/episode filed when the bachend write the recording in Recoded table

[08:11:15]

FabriceMG:

It's easy to convert this informations into season/episode field when the bachend write the recording in Recoded table

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wagnerrp:

give me an example of one of these values?

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FabriceMG:

S2E18

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wagnerrp:

see, now mine are things like 1215, 212, 9112

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wagnerrp:

no standard format to parse

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FabriceMG:

wait , I read the XMLTV standad

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wagnerrp:

according to the xmltv standard, there are to means of documenting that value (episode-num)

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wagnerrp:

you can either use the xmltv_ns format, which is '<season>.<episode>.<part>/<part count>'

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wagnerrp:

or you can use the onscreen format, which would just be a string value

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wagnerrp:

yours is the latter

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wagnerrp:

meaning there is no usable information that can be derived from it

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FabriceMG:

you are true :(

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FabriceMG:

in my xmltv , i use xmltv_ns

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wagnerrp:

well thats even worse, that means your grabber is broken

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FabriceMG:

no, :), He work perfectly ,

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wagnerrp:

clearly not, its sending bad data

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wagnerrp:

its sending xmltv_ns episode numbers in a non-compliant format

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FabriceMG:

no, S2E18 sample is value in syndicatedepisodenumber field in mythconverg

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FabriceMG:

after grabbing with mythfilldatabase

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FabriceMG:

wagnerrp, in the original xmltv file , the format is <episode-num system="xmltv_ns">4.10/22.</episode-num>

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wagnerrp:

thats still not a valid xmltv_ns value

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wagnerrp:

xmltv_ns is three ordering values, 0 indexed

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wagnerrp:

there are only two there

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wagnerrp:

22 parts makes absolutely no sense

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wagnerrp:

and theres a random period after the part count

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FabriceMG:

ok , wagnerrp , it's not possible to copy syndicatedepisodenumber in field Season/episode

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dekarl:

FabriceMG: is that xmltv from kazer?

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dekarl:

4.10/22. is perfectly valid... Season 5, Episode 11 of 22, no Parts

[10:03:47]

FabriceMG:

Iphone Terelama

[10:04:13]

FabriceMG:

is is perfectly valid , but not for wagnerrp

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dekarl:

does it validate? (with tv_validate_file)

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FabriceMG:

not tested

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dekarl:

:(

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dekarl:

btw, what is syndicatedepisodenumber?

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dekarl:

Is that something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Production_code_number ?

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dekarl:

FabriceMG: are we talking about #10006?

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dekarl:

https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . er.cpp#L3814

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dekarl:

should the scheduler copy the season and episode from the program to the recording?

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dekarl:

that's the one spot in a41e965 that looks suspicious

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iamlindoro:

dekarl: No, it should not

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iamlindoro:

For purposes of that field, the program doesn't *have* the season and episode

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iamlindoro:

The season and episode values are filled after the recording starts (and thus, after that point in the code) by mythmetadatalookup

[13:36:40]

iamlindoro:

(yes, I know that some XMLTV grabbers have consistent season and episode values, but not Schedules Direct, and not all/most XMLTV grabbers either, and those that do don't all fill with values which are exactly equal to those at The TVDB)

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iamlindoro:

For reference, syndicatedepisodenumber is not usable unless all sources can guarantee that they provide values that are exactly equivalent to the season and episode values from the TVDB-- the only way to do this is to get them from the TVDB in the first place.

[13:46:02]

iamlindoro:

Since many grabbers, most notably the one used by the majority of MythTV users, Schedules Direct, put totally unpredictable values assigned by the production company into that field

[13:47:04]

iamlindoro:

Add to that the fact that some grabbers Season and episode values would not match up with TVDB, and you have a recipe for breaking the metadata of recordings in the present when it comes to images, and in the future when it comes to fleshing out recordings with more textual metadata

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wagnerrp:

dekarl: from reading the dtd, i understood the bit after the slash to be count of a multi-part episode

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wagnerrp:

not count of episodes in a seasons

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, for reference, I strongly, strongly advise against creating any script to use data not retrieved from the TV and Movie scripts into DB fields which are used by them-- I can promise you it will cause things I have planned for the future to wreck your recording metadata

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iamlindoro:

Myth DB columns should be filled by myth code-- it won't be my fault when you decide to bend them to your purposes and as a result bad things happen to you

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Seeker`:

any hints as to where I can start looking to find out why mythfilldatabase hasnt been running?

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wagnerrp:

you know, i never understood why xbmc has internal NFS support

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wagnerrp:

that just seems like a big chunk of worthless, duplicate code

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: because it ran on platforms with no nfs

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wagnerrp:

is there /anything/ that doesnt run CIFS?

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wagnerrp:

share it over CIFS, mount it using pre-existing tools

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wagnerrp:

have it automatically reconnect on startup

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AndyCap:

xbox?

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wagnerrp:

hmm... we no sense writing needless extra code due to a poor choice in hardware

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wagnerrp:

better to try again with a more functional system

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wagnerrp:

:)

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wagnerrp:

did xbmc actually run on the stripped down win2k install? or did it require you run some form of linux?

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AndyCap:

hehe

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AndyCap:

as far as I know it ran on the native os

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Seeker`:

any hints as to where I can start looking to find out why mythfilldatabase hasnt been running?

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tank-man:

try looking at the script that runs it

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tank-man:

probably a cron job

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wagnerrp:

for most installations, mythbackend itself will run mythfilldatabase as it sees fit

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Seeker`:

Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2011-08–24 22:25:28 and ended on 2011-08–24 22:30:37. Successful.

[15:07:27]

Seeker`:

according to mythweb

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tank-man:

why do you suspect mythfilldatabase is not running?

[15:16:56]

Cervera:

Hi, maybe someone can help me with sound problems...

[15:18:03]

Cervera:

i use mythbuntu distro, and SB Audigy 2, somehow sound only works in mythTV and not in any other program (VLC, youtube in firefox...)

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Cervera:

any ideas?

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Seeker`:

tank-man: I was under the impression that it (at least used to) run every day

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Seeker`:

I could well be wrong

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wagnerrp:

it should run once per day

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Seeker`:

wagnerrp: anything I can do to try and work out why it hasn't run?

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Seeker`:

O.o

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Seeker`:

MythFillEnabled was set to 0

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Seeker`:

I'm sure i've got gremlins flipping random bits in my system

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EvilGuru:

Cervera: Probably not mythtv related :)

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EvilGuru:

PulseAudio, possbily (as myth does not use it but a lot of other apps will if it is around)

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wagnerrp:

cute, they have kevin mitnik as the security manager at one of these companies im breaking into

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Cervera:

EvilGuru: i'll check that direction.

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Cervera:

another thing: since i've upgraded to mythtv 0.24 every time I exit liveTV or a recording, the screen goes blank and frontend is stuck

[16:06:36]

Cervera:

the X is still okay, because when I press Ctrl+Alt+left i get back to the xfce

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NickHu:

Hey guys, is "Updating icons" meant to take hours?

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dekarl:

iamlindoro: we've been talking about season/episode from any guide being useless for metadata grabbing before. Sorry, did'nt relate that to sort by season/episode earlier. So no sorting by season/episode for recordings that don't have tvdb metadata.

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dekarl:

wagnerrp: it's <season> . <episode> . <part number> every of these numbers can be empty, the number or the number and the total count seperated by slash. I don't think the part number is really working in real world scenarios and mythfilldatabase handles it the same way I handle it. So basically it's "x . y . " or " . . z" and the count gets ignored.

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yunosh:

hi, is there some way to mythfilldatabase to *not* mark first and last showings?

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sphery:

no... why do you want such?

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yunosh:

...to tell mythfill..

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sphery:

we're better off fixing any brokenness than just disabling it

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sphery:

(it's actually used by the scheduler to make decisions)

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yunosh:

because i don't use those features, and it takes up to half an hour to mark one of those, and it overloads mysql durnig that time, making the backend almost unusable

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sphery:

can you run: SELECT MIN(starttime),programid FROM program WHERE programid > '' GROUP BY programid; and paste the "X rows in set (0.00 sec)" line at the bottom, please?

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yunosh:

sure

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sphery:

then do the same for: SELECT MIN(starttime),title,subtitle,description FROM program WHERE programid = '' GROUP BY title,subtitle,description;

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sphery:

neither of those queries should take much time at all

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sphery:

(most all of the time should be spent in actually spooling through it in your terminal)

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sphery:

and those are the same 2 queries used for the last showing, but with min changed to max

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yunosh:

the first one runs within milliseconds, the second one is still running

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yunosh:

...and running

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sphery:

where do you get your listings data?

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yunosh:

xmltv

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sphery:

which grabber?

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yunosh:

eu_epgdata

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sphery:

which MySQL version are you using?

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yunosh:

5.1.41

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sphery:

oh, and while it's running that 2nd query, is it hitting the disk drive pretty madly?

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yunosh:

like crazy

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sphery:

do you have really long descriptions?

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yunosh:

yep

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wagnerrp:

get an ssd

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yunosh:

:-P

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sphery:

yunosh: what do you get with select max(length(description)) from program;

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sphery:

and if your 2nd query is still running, feel free to terminate it

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yunosh:

3647

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yunosh:

yeah, i did that already :)

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sphery:

the problem is that your guide data doesn't provide any unique identifier of episodes, so we have to use the title,subtitle,description to determine if it's unique. And, since you have extremely long descriptions, that means that mysql creates temp tables on disk to do so

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sphery:

what type of computer is your mysqld running on? cpu and ram and storage (local or remote), specifically

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sphery:

and does it execute more quickly with: SELECT MIN(starttime),title,subtitle,LEFT(description,255) FROM program WHERE programid = '' GROUP BY title,subtitle,description;

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dekarl:

sphery: that last description, should that be left(description,255),too?

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sphery:

ah, yeah

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sphery:

SELECT MIN(starttime),title,subtitle,LEFT(description,255) AS partdesc FROM program WHERE programid = '' GROUP BY title,subtitle,partdesc;

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sphery:

yunosh: ^^^

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yunosh:

AMD Athlon(tm) Dual Core Processor 5050e 2.6 GHz, 2GB RAM, combined BE/FE

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sphery:

heh, so not a problem caused by an underpowered system :)

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yunosh:

nope

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yunosh:

the query with the shortened desc runs in 5 secs. much better :)

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sphery:

(wanted to make sure we weren't debugging a problem caused by running mysqld on a pogoplug and expecting it to keep up with MythTV's demands :)

[17:02:37]

yunosh:

nah, the machine is really keeping up well, beside that single issue

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sphery:

I'll talk with the devs about whether or not we can make that change. It has the potential of making first/last episode showings inaccurate for some episodes, but I think it may be worthwhile overall

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yunosh:

i'm already waking it up at afternoon just to run mythfill because it would corrupt recordings if they are running at the same time

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sphery:

If you'd like to do it on your own build of MythTV, it's mythtv/programs/mythfilldatabase/main.cpp at lines 888 and 928

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yunosh:

i'm still on 0.24-fixes. but i guess i'll find it.

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sphery:

yeah, that's 0.24-fixes lines :)

[17:05:38]

sphery:

I'm also on 0.24-fixes (and didn't boot up the dev box that's on master just to get line numbers :)

[17:07:01]

sphery:

yunosh: btw, is eu_epgdata the for-pay service for EU residents?

[17:07:10]

yunosh:

exactly

[17:07:34]

yunosh:

actually the only at least somehow usable epg provider atm

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laga:

.. the grabber which I haven't maintained in years..

[17:08:20]

yunosh:

i did. :) at least i provided a few patches

[17:08:33]

yunosh:

so YOU are the maintainer that didn't apply them? :-P

[17:08:39]

laga:

probably, yeah :D

[17:08:44]

yunosh:

gotcha

[17:08:48]

** laga hides **

[17:08:55]

laga:

i guess i should get to that, huh

[17:09:03]

laga:

unless you want to take over maintainership ;)

[17:09:52]

yunosh:

i could, though perl is not my mother language, and i don't follow xmltv development at all

[17:10:01]

laga:

i haven't used the grabber in.. years?

[17:10:17]

yunosh:

well, couldn't get worse then i guess :)

[17:10:22]

laga:

i wrote it in 2007. ;9

[17:10:49]

laga:

dekarl: you cool with yunosh taking over _eu_epgdata development?

[17:10:58]

yunosh:

so, yeah, if you want you can add me as a maintainer

[17:11:57]

sphery:

yunosh: if you do take it over, and if you can get either a programid (unique episode identifier) or always provide a season /and/ episode number in the XMLTV data (don't know if the listings source makes that available), it will make MythTV's use of the data significantly more efficient

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sphery:

i.e. with a season and episode number we will generate our own programid if the listings provider doesn't provide one

[17:12:43]

GreyFoxx:

Anyone know roughly how long it takes for changes to your Schedulesdirect lineups to be reflected on the live setup? I just added a new lineup to my account but it's not showing up yet and I'm wondering if I'm just not being patient enough :)

[17:12:44]

sphery:

just a mention :)

[17:12:54]

laga:

sphery: i believe they provide that data

[17:13:02]

laga:

i never got a good documentation on their data format

[17:13:06]

yunosh:

no, last time i looked they didn't proivde episode data. oh, they do?

[17:13:11]

sphery:

GreyFoxx: there have been comments about it taking a while--I think some users have mentioned a day or 2

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yunosh:

i will check i guess :)

[17:13:24]

laga:

well, i believe they provide an unique episode identifier

[17:13:30]

laga:

yunosh: service@epgdata.com knows ;)

[17:13:31]

GreyFoxx:

Sphery: Wow

[17:13:59]

sphery:

yunosh: heh, you come in to see how to fix a little issue, and you get all sorts of new jobs (but huge thanks for actually being willing to contribute to FOSS)

[17:14:22]

sphery:

GreyFoxx: I'm guessing that's much overstated--and maybe they just didn't check often enough to see it show up

[17:14:31]

sphery:

might also have something to do with the caching we're doing...

[17:14:36]

yunosh:

oh, that's the story of my life :) that's how i got the lead developer of the horde project ;)

[17:14:47]

sphery:

GreyFoxx: but if you wait a couple hours, it should be there

[17:14:50]

GreyFoxx:

I'll wait another hour. We just locally got some ATSC HD channels and I'm adding them to my system

[17:15:11]

GreyFoxx:

Using my nasty homemade antenna heh

[17:15:57]

laga:

yunosh: i'll write an email to xmltv-devel in a minute

[17:16:09]

yunosh:

laga: cool, thanks

[17:16:57]

sphery:

yunosh: nice... I just wish we could get more of our users to actually volunteer to do even tiny little things... I'm trying to find some user to become lead maintainer for a project specifically meant to maintain channel change scripts and programs and firewire primer scripts/programs... and trying to get some users to form teams that help maintain the MythTV themes they actually use on a daily basis, but after any request for ...

[17:17:04]

sphery:

... volunteers, the silence is deafening

[17:17:30]

yunosh:

i hear you

[17:17:47]

sphery:

(not that I want you to volunteer for those tasks--just thinking that it would be nice to have more people contributing than complaining about the state of things)

[17:18:20]

sphery:

GreyFoxx: also, it's possible that you might be able to "hurry" the process by doing a "re-add all lineups" thing...

[17:18:27]

sphery:

there's some button to do that

[17:18:57]

yunosh:

yeah, i know what you mean. it only got a bit better when we started doing business for Horde. now at least people can pay for their itches

[17:19:01]

GreyFoxx:

I'll try that and if it doesn't do it I'll wait til later and check again heh :)

[17:19:10]

yunosh:

still doesn't get us more volunteers though :)

[17:20:19]

sphery:

GreyFoxx: good luck

[17:24:51]

laga:

yunosh: got an email address?

[17:25:07]

yunosh:

laga: jan@horde.org

[17:26:18]

laga:

gaaaaaaaaaaah

[17:26:23]

** laga hyperventilates **

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laga:

i just gave up maintainership on my first open source project

[17:26:40]

yunosh:

lol

[17:26:47]

laga:

brb, breathing in a plastic bag

[17:27:10]

sphery:

laga: we still respect you... it's not because you're doing less--but because those you're still responsible for are demanding more of your time :)

[17:27:13]

yunosh:

the first time you hand over maintainership, or was this your first oss proejct? :)

[17:27:23]

laga:

yunosh: both ;)

[17:27:32]

yunosh:

heh, nice.

[17:27:50]

yunosh:

feels like growing up, no? ;)

[17:27:53]

laga:

yunosh: i was 18 and couldn't program at all. so.. good luck with the code.

[17:28:03]

yunosh:

oh crap :-P

[17:28:06]

laga:

hahah

[17:28:24]

laga:

got books on perl and XML from the library and decided to do that thing

[17:29:04]

yunosh:

nice attitude. see, and it still runs everyday just fine for me. and probably thousands others

[17:29:21]

skd5aner:

what project?

[17:29:41]

laga:

yunosh: yeah. it'd do it differently today, but it's a nice little hack

[17:29:56]

laga:

yunosh: beware: it does not run on windows, because the .exe distribution is lacking some modules

[17:30:00]

laga:

i decided not to care about that

[17:30:03]

NickHu:

Hey, quick question you guys, but how long does it take for you guys to mythfilldatabase?

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yunosh:

i don't really care about windows

[17:30:16]

laga:

exactly

[17:30:27]

yunosh:

NickHu: lol, got here just in time

[17:30:36]

NickHu:

Mm?

[17:30:41]

yunosh:

down from an hour to 10 seconds for me now ;)

[17:30:58]

NickHu:

Should I be concerned that mine's been going for about 4/5 hours?

[17:31:25]

NickHu:

I have it on super-verbose mode and it says it's doing crap with "people" and "actors"

[17:31:41]

yunosh:

heck yeah. thoug i can't speak for DD backends

[17:32:02]

yunosh:

what does the mythfilldatabase log says where it's taking all that time?

[17:32:31]

sphery:

yunosh: can I get you to try timing one more query, please: SELECT MIN(starttime),title,subtitle,LEFT(description, 1024) AS partdesc FROM program WHERE programid = '' GROUP BY title,subtitle,partdesc;

[17:32:34]

NickHu:

Bunch of crap like this: http://paste.xinu.at/bCWwM/

[17:33:08]

sphery:

NickHu: that seems to be mythfilldatabase listings insert

[17:33:18]

NickHu:

... Is that healthy?

[17:33:25]

Seeker`:

NickHu: are you having it output to the terminal?

[17:33:30]

NickHu:

Yes

[17:33:50]

yunosh:

sphery: still good, 2 or 3 seconds more

[17:33:52]

sphery:

NickHu: what, specifically, did you run...

[17:34:03]

NickHu:

mythfilldatabase -v all

[17:34:07]

Seeker`:

Printing to a terminal is a relatively slow operation I think

[17:34:12]

NickHu:

OH CRAP

[17:34:19]

sphery:

yunosh: thanks. That's more like what we used to do, so I can probably put that in even without agreement

[17:34:27]

yunosh:

cool

[17:34:37]

NickHu:

So, why is it taking so long?

[17:34:49]

skd5aner:

how many channels?

[17:34:52]

yunosh:

i could stop building from source then :)

[17:34:54]

skd5aner:

and how many sources?

[17:34:59]

sphery:

actually, yeah, I'll just go ahead and do that... I'll backport it, too

[17:35:10]

Seeker`:

NickHu: How long does it take without -v all?

[17:35:15]

yunosh:

awesome, thanks a lot

[17:35:21]

yunosh:

YMMD ;)

[17:35:29]

skd5aner:

-v all shouldn't add hardly any overhead as far as time is concerned

[17:35:59]

NickHu:

I had it in non-verbose running for like 5 hours and no dice

[17:36:02]

NickHu:

Seeker`: I dunno, I always quit after about 4 hours and thought somethings up...

[17:36:40]

Seeker`:

You're int he UK?

[17:37:02]

sphery:

yunosh: no, thank you--this was something we missed when we switched description to varchar instead of text type--mysql has "large-result" optimizations in place, already, for text type but we lost those when we switched and no one had mentioned the effect so far

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NickHu:

Seeker`: Yup

[17:37:57]

Seeker`:

Plain freeview? RT grabber?

[17:38:17]

sphery:

NickHu: those messages are at the (still in-progress) end of your mythfilldatabase log?

[17:38:25]

sphery:

why did you think it was icon updates taking forever?

[17:38:52]

NickHu:

Because in non verbose mode the last message was updating icons

[17:39:21]

NickHu:

Quick question, by CTRL-C'ing and starting again will it continue, or completely start again?

[17:39:59]

sphery:

it will restart--but without having to scroll all the messages about each sql access and its results, it may actually run faster

[17:40:27]

sphery:

not sure why the icon update would take forever, though

[17:40:52]

NickHu:

From the verbose logs it doesn't look like it's doing any icon stuff

[17:41:00]

sphery:

it was actually, "Updating icons for sourceid: X" that was shown last, and not "Attempting to fetch icon at '<location>'"

[17:41:09]

NickHu:

Yeah, that

[17:41:10]

sphery:

right, now it's not

[17:41:15]

NickHu:

Mhhm

[17:41:17]

sphery:

hasn't gotten to the icon stuff, yet

[17:41:17]

NickHu:

So

[17:41:22]

sphery:

the icon stuff is right at the end

[17:41:24]

NickHu:

What's your suggestion?

[17:41:30]

NickHu:

Leave it going?

[17:41:55]

sphery:

I'd say go ahead and stop it, then run optimize_mythdb.pl (to make sure your tables are good), then re-run mythfilldatabase normally

[17:42:07]

sphery:

without -v all... at most use -v most

[17:42:14]

sphery:

but it's probably better to run without

[17:42:21]

NickHu:

Okay

[17:42:32]

NickHu:

First run of mythfilldb still shouldn't take hours though right?

[17:42:42]

sphery:

depending on your source, it can...

[17:42:59]

sphery:

you said you're using radio times?

[17:43:02]

Seeker`:

NickHu: Are you using RT with standard freeview?

[17:43:12]

sphery:

ah, asked but not answered :)

[17:43:48]

NickHu:

Seeker`: Freesat

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NickHu:

Radio times

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Seeker`:

similar number of hcannels then

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Seeker`:

real 6m2.201s

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NickHu:

Where is optimize_mythdb.pl? Can't find it on the wiki

[17:44:12]

Seeker`:

thats how long my mythfilldatabase takes

[17:44:21]

NickHu:

Hmm

[17:44:29]

NickHu:

Precise :P

[17:44:32]

Seeker`:

I've got freeview with Radio Times, and 2 tuners each set to be able to record 5 things simultanrously

[17:44:39]

Seeker`:

NickHu: "time" command :P

[17:44:48]

FabriceMG:

I see that the topic Season / Episode has a lot of talk :)

[17:44:56]

yunosh:

while i'm in bug reporting mood, is the MythDroid developer happening to be here?

[17:44:58]

NickHu:

Seeker`: That's only 5 things on the same 2 multiplexes right? :P

[17:45:20]

sphery:

NickHu: optimize_mythdb.pl is often put into share directories or doc directories by packagers... can always get it from https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/raw/master/m . . . ze_mythdb.pl

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sphery:

NickHu: this is your "first" run of mythfilldatabase--where it has to populate all 14 days at once versus just tomorrow and +13?

[17:46:20]

sphery:

if so, it will take longer

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sphery:

it shouldn't be hours--and especially shouldn't be hours stuck at "Updating icons for sourceid: X"

[17:46:48]

Seeker`:

NickHu: Each tuner can pick 1 multiplex, and record up to 5 things from that multiplex

[17:47:38]

NickHu:

Yeah I know, it just sounded like you meant you could record for example five different shows on five different multiplexes

[17:48:27]

dekarl:

laga: sure, appreciate someone looking after _eu_epgdata (I could'nt test it so I left it alone...)

[17:48:27]

dekarl:

yunosh: you might want to introduce yourself on the xmltv-devel list so robert can add you as developer. After that I can shoot all _eu_epgdata tickets to you. (yeah, you get to apply your own patches :)

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yunosh:

k

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yunosh:

it's still hosted on sf?

[17:49:01]

FabriceMG:

wagnerrp, I think you're right for the standard of xmltv

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sphery:

yunosh: his nick is foobum, iirc... he's not in here, but he seems to be in #mythtv (though it's a 3rd-party project, so I think most devs who try to read everything in #mythtv would prefer if you just ask him to come into #mythtv-users or some other channel to talk about MythDroid)

[17:49:42]

NickHu:

Am I right in assuming MythDroid is an android frontend?

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yunosh:

sphery: i just noticed there was a new release a feiw days ago that i didn't try yet, but thanks

[17:50:41]

sphery:

AIUI, it's a remote control for mythtv and there's some daemon program that can be run on the mythtv box(es?) to transcode recordings to allow streaming them to Android devices, too

[17:50:50]

yunosh:

NickHu: it's mostly a remote, but can be used as a st.... exactly

[17:50:59]

sphery:

heh

[17:51:18]

sphery:

my precisely-timed response to yunosh was just enough to let me answer first... I win!

[17:51:22]

dekarl:

yunosh: yes, xmltv is still hosted on sf.net

[17:51:54]

yunosh:

dekarl: thanks

[17:52:50]

sphery:

sweet! Only 2 locations with GROUP BY.*description--the 2 I'm about to fix

[17:54:56]

NickHu:

sphery: I thought android could play the format that TV uses natively anyway?

[17:55:02]

NickHu:

digital tv*

[17:55:21]

sphery:

heh, it can... but low-powered ARM chips, on the other hand... ;)

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sphery:

I think it's mainly transcoding for a) bandwidth, and b) to make video optimized for the typical phone/tablet hardware

[17:56:18]

sphery:

actually, not sure that Android supports MPEG-2 (after all, that would mean someone would have to pay a license), but I think it supports H.264

[17:57:24]

laga:

might also boil down to the DSP

[17:59:18]

sphery:

yunosh: ok, one last query for you... sorry--I just noticed how the code is working, so need to see if it still works fine: SELECT MAX(starttime),title,subtitle,description FROM program WHERE programid = '' GROUP BY title,subtitle,LEFT(description, 1024);

[18:01:27]

dekarl:

NickHu: no, android only supports H.264 and AAC (-LC, -HE, etc) and no MPEG-TS until 3.x http://developer.android.com/guide/appendix/media-formats.html

[18:02:22]

dekarl:

you can add your custom decoding in an app, but it's not in the base system

[18:02:53]

yunosh:

sphery: doesn't look good, runs a minute already

[18:03:07]

sphery:

ok, I'll have to figure out a way to match, then

[18:03:08]

yunosh:

though it's also recording right now

[18:03:24]

yunosh:

i can test again later if the machine is idle

[18:04:13]

yunosh:

dinner time

[18:04:29]

sphery:

kormoc_afk: just how far away from that keyboard are you? ;) Have a couple questions about long varchar data and on-disk temp file usage...

[18:05:38]

NickHu:

But, H.264 = HD TV right?

[18:06:09]

GreyFoxx:

No

[18:06:14]

GreyFoxx:

H264 is codec

[18:06:20]

GreyFoxx:

not a resolution

[18:06:37]

GreyFoxx:

all HDTV here is MPEG2

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sphery:

yunosh: I'll make some test data to try my options... thanks

[18:09:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: How'd you fare with the Hurricane?

[18:11:09]

sphery:

wasn't any problem for me... we got some rain and < tropical storm force (< 34 knots) wind on Thur night, and then clouds on Fri... I expected more rain/wind (and all through Friday)

[18:12:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ah, I'm up here in Massachusetts, and we're getting rain/Thunderstorms already from the northern edge of the storm... It's supposed to pass right over my city tomorrow afternoon...

[18:12:16]

sphery:

wow

[18:12:44]

J-e-f-f-A:

Hopefully we don't lose power, or at least not for *days*...

[18:12:58]

** J-e-f-f-A doesn't have a Generator. **

[18:13:34]

sphery:

yeah, our power is very resilient--the infrastructure here is pretty much designed for recovery after hurricanes

[18:14:06]

dekarl:

laga: nice topic :)

[18:14:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

it's supposed to be 'just' a Tropical storm by the time it comes through my area, but they expect widespread power outages...

[18:14:22]

sphery:

looks like you will be getting some nice tropical storm force winds--probably in the lower end of the range (<50kt)

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sphery:

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/ + http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+ . . . 120#contents + http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+ . . . 120#contents

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wagnerrp:

so the west cost laughed at you earlier this week over a mere 5.9

[18:14:58]

wagnerrp:

now florida is laughing?

[18:14:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, but they've been saying those are 'sustained' rates, and higher gusts... which is the 'real' issue/concern...

[18:15:02]

sphery:

heh

[18:15:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: basically. ;-)

[18:15:24]

sphery:

yeah, tropical storms are a big deals in areas where they're not expected

[18:15:44]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: you're far enough inland that all you'd see is some clouds/rain, right?

[18:16:00]

wagnerrp:

we get the occasional tornado, thats about it

[18:16:20]

wagnerrp:

we get remnants coming up from the south

[18:16:25]

wagnerrp:

but its never vary bad

[18:16:36]

sphery:

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap110827.html

[18:16:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: our electrical grid is pretty resilient too, but considering the entire state is going to be hit, they expect it to have an effect...

[18:17:15]

wagnerrp:

of course if new madrid ever goes, this whole area is gone

[18:18:43]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: I'm in the 70–80% range of that noaa map... wow...

[18:20:26]

sphery:

yeah, for the TS force winds? Definitely looks like you'll get those

[18:20:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: and about the 40% range for the winds...

[18:20:30]

sphery:

(and much of MA)

[18:20:46]

sphery:

yeah, 40% for 50kt

[18:21:36]

sphery:

seems strange to have a tropical storm in MA :)

[18:25:53]

J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, I was here for the last big Hurricane/Tropical storm – Bob – it was a mess back then too... Boston.com says I'll get "tropical storm-force winds blowing 39 to 73 miles per hour"... wow... http://www.boston.com/Boston/metrodesk/2011/0 . . . K/index.html

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sphery:

Yeah, that's the Saffir-Simpson definition of TS (35–63kt = 39–73mph). It's looking like it will be in the lower half of that, but since it's sustained winds of that speed, gusts will be much larger.

[18:31:44]

sphery:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saffir%E2%80%93S . . . ricane_Scale

[18:32:43]

sphery:

and you guys are going to get hit directly, which means the most time with those winds...

[18:33:55]

J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, it's gonna suck. I hope I don't have any trees downed on my yard, My lot is only 100'x100', but I've got about 8 trees around it that are 40–50' tall....

[18:34:05]

sphery:

wow, that's scary

[18:34:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

It would really, really suck if one of them came down on my 'baby' (1973 Chevelle)

[18:34:33]

sphery:

I've been slowly chopping down a tree that's probably about 30' tall, but that is leaning at about a 25deg angle from a previous hurricane

[18:35:11]

sphery:

(slow chopping down = cutting down a branch at a time to make it easier to dispose of in yard waste--and for me to cut since I'm doing it with a bow saw and not a chainsaw)

[18:35:24]

sphery:

down to 2 branches remaining

[18:35:27]

J-e-f-f-A:

Hehehehe...

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sphery:

(then I'll replace it with a honeybell tangelo tree :)

[18:36:41]

sphery:

specifically a Minneola

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sphery:

yunosh: your >1min for the last test... that was >1min without starting to spool any output, right?

[18:42:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

eek, power hit already – just a few seconds though...

[18:42:32]

J-e-f-f-A:

Must have been from a lightning strike...

[18:44:46]

sphery:

hmmm, yeah, I'm guessing it was... I'm seeing a pretty big difference between limiting nothing, limiting only in group by, and limiting both.

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Captain_Murdoch:

storm is slowly dying down which will help. the eye is due to pass over me in around 2–3 hours. we lost power this morning at 5AM, but they had it back on in under an hour and a half. that was when the winds were only in the 30–40 MPH range though. I think they just switched us around the bad line to get it back online that quick in the dark. glad it's not the Cat 2 that they predicted.

[18:47:40]

Captain_Murdoch:

we're just now entering the rainless section right before the eye. http://belo.bimedia.net/WVEC/weather/animated-loops/regional.gif

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Captain_Murdoch:

or right before the rain right before the eye. :)

[18:49:50]

J-e-f-f-A:

Captain_Murdoch: I'm getting Thunderstorms from the north edge of the storm, and I'm ~450 miles north!!!

[18:49:54]

Captain_Murdoch:

power outage was good for me to find all my single points of failure. spent the morning rearranging things so that the main switch, wireless router/firewall, VOIP adapter, and cablemodem are all on one cord and UPS.

[18:50:08]

Captain_Murdoch:

J-e-f-f-A, yeah, it's a huge storm vertically.

[18:50:31]

Captain_Murdoch:

considering SC just got out of the rain within the past couple hours.

[18:51:03]

sphery:

so have they announced anything for the peak sustained wind speeds recently?

[18:51:59]

sphery:

you're still far enough south you may well been getting some hurricane force

[18:52:12]

Captain_Murdoch:

2PM update said max of 85MPH. http://www.weather.com/weather/hurricanecentral/tracker

[18:52:31]

sphery:

wow

[18:52:37]

sphery:

good that you still have power, too

[18:53:11]

Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, the eye has yet to pass me, and the center track on that website is about 10–15 miles from my house.

[18:53:13]

J-e-f-f-A:

Another 'blink' ... wow...

[18:53:15]

Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, it hasn't been bad.

[18:53:17]

sphery:

J-e-f-f-A really wants you guys to take the brunt of the storm and slow it down enough before it hits him

[18:53:28]

** J-e-f-f-A laughs (and agrees!) **

[18:54:27]

Captain_Murdoch:

it slowed down a bunch overnight from the cat 2 it was and the fact that it's going inland over NC is helping slow it down some more. once it passes over us though and gets back over the chesapeake bay and the edge of the coast it will stay in the 80–85 range it looks like.

[18:56:57]

Captain_Murdoch:

it won't hit is hard because I actually got the generator out the other day and tested it, cleaned the carb out, bought some fuel injector/carb cleaner to run through it with a tank of gas if necessary, etc.. might knock out the power, but I don't expect anything worse than Isabel when she hit here a few years back. that knocked a 80–100' pine over on my neighbors house. we were watching it the whole time and then just

[18:56:58]

Captain_Murdoch:

as the eye got near and the winds were about to shift to the south and east, the tree fell over. glad it was then, because if it had gone an hour later it would have been east onto my house since the winds were changing as the eye passed.

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sphery:

wow

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Captain_Murdoch:

next house will have a fully automated standby generator capable of running everything.

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Captain_Murdoch:

even though I haven't had to use this one yet since I bought it 5–6 years ago. when I bought it, I even installed a manual transfer switch to run the kitchen, freezer, computer room, living room, and one or two other circuits.

[18:59:45]

laga:

not bad

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Captain_Murdoch:

I was in Lowe's way back when and a guy was asking me some questions about a connector he needed to hookup his generator to his house. He wanted to back-feed power in through the dryer circuit since it was a 30A circuit. I took a couple minutes to try to convince him he didn't want to do that because there's no protection from it feeding power back onto the line other than manually flipping the main breaker. he didn't c

[19:01:45]

Captain_Murdoch:

are about some power worker getting electrocuted on a supposedly dead line. the thing that I had to tell him to eventually get him to decide against the idea was that if he did that, and he forgot to flip the main, then his neighbors could be drawing off his generator.

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AndyCap:

Captain_Murdoch: how about his generator getting fed grid power?

[19:07:42]

Captain_Murdoch:

he wasn't thinking that far in advance. power was out for 7–9 days in some areas.

[19:07:57]

Captain_Murdoch:

just as bad though.

[19:09:44]

Captain_Murdoch:

this is the first time I've seen the chip aisle empty at walmart though. people seemed to have prepared much more for this one that any recent hurricane I remember. possibly because just a couple days ago they were predicting it would still be a Cat 2 when it hit here.

[19:10:49]

Captain_Murdoch:

no chips, no breakfast bars, the 'nut' area was getting scavenged pretty hard, no camping supplies. that in addition to the normal break/milk/etc..

[19:10:51]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: so, to keep your mind off the storm--and since you know your MySQL better than I... I'm trying to optimize the mark first/last showings for users who don't have programids query at https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . ain.cpp#L598 . For users without programids and large descriptions, this is resulting in huge I/O strain with on-disk (internal) temp file usage.

[19:10:59]

AndyCap:

Captain_Murdoch: by buying chips? :P

[19:11:42]

sphery:

one user with descriptions up to about 3500 chars was seeing that taking ~30min on an AMD Athlon II 5050e, 2.6GHz dual core with 2GB RAM.

[19:11:53]

Captain_Murdoch:

I went out to top off the tank in my car yesterday and saw a guy with a leaf blower blowing the pine needles off his driveway. then a couple miles later I saw another guy spraying weed killer or something on his yard with a hand pump sprayer.

[19:13:10]

sphery:

is there a way I can retrieve chanid,starttime but still make it get the min(starttime) for distinct title, subtitle, description?

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Captain_Murdoch:

thinking....

[19:16:40]

sphery:

or if I do a SELECT MIN(starttime),title,subtitle,LEFT(description,1024) AS partdesc FROM program WHERE programid = '' GROUP BY title,subtitle,partdesc; , then I try to update first and change it to use AND LEFT(description,1024) = :PARTDESC and that partial description matches multiple rows, would that be a problem?

[19:17:19]

Captain_Murdoch:

I'd hope that the first 1024 chars would be unique enough, but know some user would complain.

[19:17:30]

sphery:

or do you see another way I could optimize it... Before, we were using TEXT column for description, and it uses max_sort_length (=1024) for sorting (including group by)... now that we have a varchar description, we're not limiting it in any way

[19:17:56]

sphery:

so before we /were/ limiting it to 1024

[19:18:08]

Captain_Murdoch:

so no issue limiting it now then.

[19:18:12]

sphery:

just through mysql's internal stuff...

[19:18:32]

sphery:

the AND LEFT(description,1024) = :PARTDESC should be OK from a "not causing huge problems sql-wise" perspective?

[19:22:00]

sphery:

since before we were using the whole description for matching but only using a "partial" description for sorting/uniqueness

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tedder:

hello world

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J-e-f-f-A:

!seen world

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MythLogBot:

world was last seen 429 days 3 hours 14 minutes 56 seconds ago

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tedder:

so. replaced older HDHR with new HDHR3.

[19:24:00]

tedder:

has an IP, can ping it, can 'curl' its port 80 server

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tedder:

hdhomerun_config discover fails

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, it might be quicker to do "select min(starttime), max(starttime) blah blah" and do both first and last in one query and loop. that way there's only one temp table of matching rows.

[19:24:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

Is that even supported yet?

[19:25:01]

tedder:

huh, thought this was #HDHomeRun. Never mind.

[19:25:12]

J-e-f-f-A:

tedder: hehehe... ;-)

[19:26:04]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: Yeah, I'm definitely going to modify it to move the prepare outside the while loop... The change to use LEFT(description,1024) AS partdesc seems to hve gotten it down to a workable 5s or so, so I hadn't considered trying to query both min and max at once

[19:26:09]

Captain_Murdoch:

a query with min and max both works here. test query was 9400 rows in 6.7 seconds.

[19:26:26]

sphery:

I was hoping to get a low-impact change at first that I can backport to 0.24-fixes

[19:26:51]

Captain_Murdoch:

13901 rows in 2 seconds after performing the first test query got things in the cache.

[19:26:57]

sphery:

so was looking for minimal changes, then planning to modify the loop and can extend that to convert to a single loop

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Captain_Murdoch:

if you modify the query to add min and max then it will be in the query cache so the 2nd run will be a lot quicker. doesn't seem that invasive though to move the prepare out and combine the two loops using a select w/ min and max together.

[19:31:23]

sphery:

not too invasive for a backport? :)

[19:31:41]

sphery:

but if we do min and max, we won't have a 2nd run, right?

[19:32:18]

sphery:

only select, then update in a loop

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sphery:

with 2 updates--one for first and one for last

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Captain_Murdoch:

right.

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: well theres his problem, his network is too unstable to handle his HDHR

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Hehehehe...

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, I don't see it as too invasive if it's solving a problem. if it was just for optimization then I'd say it was. but that's me in the middle of a hurricane talking... :) gotta go afk for a while. hopefully I'll still have power and can come back later.

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sphery:

thanks for the input

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sphery:

I'll probably go ahead and optimize + fix together

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J-e-f-f-A:

Captain_Murdoch: Didn't you say you had a Generator? ;-) You should have Power then!!!

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Seeker`:

Power is probably dependent on the generator not blowing away :P

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J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... Plugged in my UPS' usb cable, and it seems fedora recognized it automatically... now to figure out how to configure what actions it should take... ;-)

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sphery:

actually, I think I'll fix the prepared statements separately--there are a lot more of them in that section

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tgm4883:

Anyone know if you can use the ethernet port on a RNG-110 for anything?

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tgm4883:

Google doesn't seem to know much

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J-e-f-f-A:

tgm4883: the user's manual says "Ethernet – for future use" – so who knows. ;-)

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tgm4883:

J-e-f-f-A, yea I saw that

[19:48:06]

J-e-f-f-A:

tgm4883: but probably not...

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tgm4883:

Doesn't seem to have any activity on the port when I plug an ethernet cable into it

[19:48:37]

tgm4883:

although there is one thread I found that says it was handing out IP addresses on his network

[19:49:07]

tgm4883:

meh, I'll just order a PCI express firewire card so I can change the channel

[19:49:17]

Seeker`:

The change I made to the DB to effectively disable the "Don't queue programs in the same series for another X days" in the watch list seems to be working without any obvious ill effects. Should I submit a ticket to have it changed in the UI?

[19:49:49]

sphery:

heh, your cable box is a random-number generator

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tgm4883:

sphery, it's not my cable box that is doing that, just some user I saw in some forum

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sphery:

Seeker`: sure, I'd appreciate that (and since I got pulled into mfdb changes, today, I can likely push the change today)

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tgm4883:

I take that back, it was the mythtv-users mailing list from last year

[19:51:08]

sphery:

tgm4883: I meant the name: "RNG"-110

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tgm4883:

ah

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J-e-f-f-A:

tgm4883: Yeah, firewire is probably your best bet. ;-) I use firewire for my QIP 7100 boxes.

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tgm4883:

J-e-f-f-A, yea I

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dashs:

Having no audio (IEC958) with 0.24: think I've tried every device after scan, is there some trick?

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sphery:

tgm4883: and then you can shop around to find a user of some firewire primer/channel change script who wants to become lead maintainer of a project to host/maintain all of the old ones we used to have in contrib

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tgm4883:

J-e-f-f-A, ... I've used firewire in the past with it, but I just recently put in a spare digital card I have and have no more PCI slots on my motherboard (only 2 :( ) but I do have a PCI express 1x

[19:52:35]

tgm4883:

sphery, yea that doesn't sound like fun

[19:52:51]

sphery:

heh, I think it should be very low maintenance...

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J-e-f-f-A:

tgm4883: tune your channel-change script too... the default is quite slow (~1 char/sec) – I've got mine set to 40ms IIRC... ;-)

[19:53:22]

sphery:

basically find someone who actually uses one of them, then when he gets any submissions of patches, etc, he makes that person the maintainer of that particular script/program :)

[19:53:50]

tgm4883:

J-e-f-f-A, I'll have to look at which one I was using, I just made the switch yesterday

[19:53:56]

sphery:

so it would be a loose group of people actually using specific scripts who then maintain them

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tgm4883:

looks like 6200ch

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tgm4883:

J-e-f-f-A, I don't use live TV, but I wonder if that would help out at all with the HDPVR issues people sometimes have

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J-e-f-f-A:

tgm4883: Here's one of my channe-change scripts — the sleep at the end helps with the HDPVR ... http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/mythtv/6200ch_FiOS1.sh

[19:57:42]

tgm4883:

J-e-f-f-A, I use to have a sleep built into mine as well, but it's real difficult to tell if it actually helped anything

[19:57:55]

tgm4883:

the issue is so rare it's difficult to troubleshoot

[19:58:04]

J-e-f-f-A:

tgm4883: ps: I've got two HD boxes and two HD-PVRs, so I have the guid specified for each box.

[19:58:25]

tgm4883:

J-e-f-f-A, what does the -e do?

[19:58:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

tgm4883: Exits the on-screen display.

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sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: Have you already created an account on google code, sourceforge, or the like? If so, that will make it easy to set up the new project for maintaining the channel change/firewire primer scripts/programs... ;)

[19:58:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

(for my QIP 7200)

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tgm4883:

ah

[19:59:16]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Hehehe... it's on the Myth WIKI. ;-)

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sphery:

heh, yeah, that's the problem... I'm hoping to get it into a real repo with revision control and people who actually use the code doing the maintenance/patching.

[20:01:10]

justinh:

nah just keep it in the wiki. it's got a changelog & everything :D

[20:01:22]

sphery:

the fact that any random person on the 'net can change these scripts on the wiki to do bad things is kind of scary

[20:01:30]

sphery:

heh

[20:01:38]

J-e-f-f-A:

Hehehe... my script example is even at the bottom still. ;-) ^ hehe... I touched the code once... adding the inter-digit delay... but probably shouldn't admit that or it'll become 'mine'... d'oh!!!

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tgm4883:

yea I'd rather see it in some sort of revision control system

[20:02:23]

tgm4883:

that would be much easier to script into a pull&build or ship it as a package

[20:02:25]

J-e-f-f-A:

tgm4883: Well, it kinda is – the wiki has revision control...

[20:02:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

[20:02:40]

tgm4883:

J-e-f-f-A, yea, but it's difficult to easily pull it out of there

[20:02:50]

sphery:

Yeah, I think I'm going to have to actually create the project to maintain these myself, then as each patch is submitted, give the submitter the option of becoming maintainer for that script/program or not having his patch applied... :)

[20:02:55]

tgm4883:

bzr/svn/git > wiki for code

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sphery:

not sure if that would be blackmail or extortion--or just duress

[20:03:37]

sphery:

unfortunately, though, someone who was able to patch the code himself is likely to be able to keep patching the code himself...

[20:03:37]

justinh:

ahh I know why I got rid of the <arrange>fill parts of the theme now

[20:04:02]

laga:

sphery: that's how I did it for tv_grab_eu_epgdata. ;)

[20:04:05]

** tgm4883 has too many projects he wants to work on already **

[20:04:07]

sphery:

laga: hehe

[20:04:22]

** tgm4883 assigns stuff for laga to do **

[20:04:33]

sphery:

yeah, I'm hoping to get the people who aren't currently working on projects to work on these simple projects

[20:04:56]

tgm4883:

sphery, yea all my projects are massive PITA's that nobody wants to work on :(

[20:05:05]

sphery:

(then years from now they'll have too many projects their working on... kind of like conscripting an army of FOSS contributors)

[20:05:10]

sphery:

they're

[20:05:52]

sphery:

tgm4883: heh, I'll admit I wouldn't want to trade places with you--just the *buntu work you've done is way more PITA than I want (ignoring all the rest)

[20:05:59]

laga:

tgm4883: nooo

[20:06:16]

tgm4883:

laga, still waiting on the port of -diskless to mcc-revamp ;)

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justinh:

laga: oh btw, cyanongenmod *sucks*

[20:06:50]

NickHu:

2011-08–27 20:38:41.124 Marking episode first showings.

[20:06:55]

laga:

tgm4883: unlikely to happen, moved to arch ;)

[20:06:56]

tgm4883:

sphery, I actually got someone that wants to help me with backup and restore, as soon as I get it into the repos

[20:06:56]

NickHu:

It's been stuck at that for like half an hour

[20:06:57]

J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... my system can see the UPS, and status it, but I can't *control* it for some reason...

[20:07:02]

NickHu:

justinh: You're doing it wrong

[20:07:05]

laga:

justinh: WFM :)

[20:07:08]

tgm4883:

laga, specific reason for the move?

[20:07:10]

justinh:

problem I have is, I have to un-futz my phone to put the old rom back on

[20:07:16]

NickHu:

laga: High five for arch linux :D

[20:07:20]

justinh:

I don't like my phone to reboot when I open a browser

[20:07:25]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: eh? Which phone – It works great on my Droid 1 (I think you guys know it as the "Milestone")

[20:07:28]

NickHu:

Erm wut? :L

[20:07:43]

justinh:

J-e-f-f-A: orange SF aka ZTE Blade

[20:07:43]

NickHu:

I'm more than definitely sure you're doing it wrong

[20:07:50]

NickHu:

Did you try to install the gen1 version on gen2?

[20:08:02]

laga:

tgm4883: arch feels better. mythbuntu is still great, but I felt I needed less guidance and more customization

[20:08:06]

NickHu:

If so it's a mircacle it even boots

[20:08:16]

NickHu:

laga: By the way, arch linux breaks a lot :D

[20:08:40]

laga:

NickHu: been using arch for a year or so. so i know about that :D

[20:08:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: Ah, so a completely different distribution... Mine's super-reliable – Gingerbread on a phone from Feb 2010 ;-)

[20:08:46]

laga:

mind you, so does ubuntu

[20:09:00]

tgm4883:

laga, ah

[20:09:03]

NickHu:

J-e-f-f-A: My phone's newer than his and CM works swimmingly on it

[20:09:18]

NickHu:

justinh: Are you sure you didn't mess it up?

[20:09:24]

NickHu:

Did you clear all your data and stuff?

[20:09:57]

NickHu:

Rolling release is awesome :D Until upgrading the kernel breaks everything

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justinh:

J-e-f-f-A: I got it from cyanogenmod.. so 'different' ?

[20:10:38]

NickHu:

How long does "Marking episode first showings." take?

[20:10:52]

NickHu:

justinh: Did you follow the wiki properly?

[20:10:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: I'm running Cyanogenmod 7 on my Droid 1 – super-reliable and fast (overclocks the cpu to 950mhz – stock is 550!)

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sphery:

justinh: Oh, so you're using Samsung Android

[20:11:12]

sphery:

(CM just got hired by Samsung)

[20:11:13]

justinh:

no not samsung

[20:11:20]

justinh:

ruh?

[20:11:22]

NickHu:

ZTE, some no-name brand

[20:11:38]

sphery:

specifically, Steve Kondik got hired

[20:11:51]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: They did? Wow, maybe they'll have a stable OS now... Their phones are 'pretty', but not very stable/reliable from what I've seen at my company...

[20:12:11]

justinh:

think I'll go back to the operator's original rom without the branding crap

[20:12:18]

sphery:

heh, I think that's part of the reason why Samsung hired him--for the underlying stuff because they knew they had some issues

[20:12:22]

justinh:

I like my phone to not reboot itself

[20:12:31]

NickHu:

http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/20137-cyan . . . -april-2011/ << You sure you did it right?

[20:12:36]

NickHu:

With Google Apps and stuff

[20:12:41]

NickHu:

It's really not that difficult

[20:12:49]

sphery:

that + Google's decision to buy Motorola Mobility (meaning they're now wondering if the "open" Android is going to be open enough)

[20:13:05]

NickHu:

And you definitely upgraded to Gen2?

[20:13:20]

NickHu:

sphery: They bought it to protect them from being sued by the big white apple

[20:13:23]

laga:

sphery: most of samsungs issues would have been fixed by not using their abomination of a file system

[20:13:40]

NickHu:

laga: Samsung uses ext3 in most cases doesn't it?

[20:14:03]

laga:

NickHu: they used to use RFS, now it's ext4 I believe, starting with gingerbread

[20:14:09]

justinh:

ahh "CyanogenMod for the Blade still contains many bugs. For people who "just want the phone to work" it is probably not the right choice at the moment (but it is getting better quickly). Do not be fooled by downloads labelled 'stable' – this is due to the general Cyanogen release cycle and not aimed at Blade CM releases specifically. "

[20:14:24]

NickHu:

justinh: http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/15844-cyan . . . 6-june-2011/

[20:14:31]

NickHu:

Use 7.1 RC instead of *stable*

[20:14:39]

NickHu:

The stable is horribly outdated

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NickHu:

Well, flawed

[20:15:10]

justinh:

heh and "2011-08–27: N175 fixes GPS related reboots,"

[20:15:13]

NickHu:

There was some significant update that fixed a security flaw some point inbetween I think

[20:15:26]

** J-e-f-f-A is on 7.0 stable. ;-) **

[20:16:40]

NickHu:

There is some browser crash that lets you run unauthorized code

[20:16:48]

NickHu:

AFAIK that's how gingerbreak works

[20:17:00]

justinh:

7.SOMETHING here & it sucks

[20:17:01]

NickHu:

But I may be wrong

[20:17:20]

NickHu:

justinh: http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/15844-cyan . . . 6-june-2011/

[20:17:25]

justinh:

I gain nothing except being able to store apps on the SD card using a non-stock ROM anyway

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NickHu:

Overclocking, underclocking, undervolting, governers

[20:17:54]

NickHu:

Notification power widget, theme engine

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[20:18:12]

NickHu:

General fixes; a more android like android experience

[20:19:03]

laga:

hehe

[20:19:07]

NickHu:

Gesture unlocking, JIT, VM heap size, compcache, basically customize everything: mountpoints, long press, what wakes phone, etc.

[20:19:20]

laga:

NickHu: my Desire Z is broken

[20:19:28]

laga:

stop talking, i'm getting sad :/

[20:19:30]

NickHu:

laga: That's because HTC suck

[20:19:54]

NickHu:

Oh, and don't forget tethering!

[20:20:19]

NickHu:

justinh: I don't think ZTE has a gingerbread rom either

[20:20:33]

justinh:

hey that emoticon looks a lot like tha android mascot

[20:20:55]

justinh:

laga: I want the newer, snazzy ROM. I no want rebooty phone

[20:21:07]

NickHu:

justinh: Please try the 7.1 RC

[20:21:27]

justinh:

esp. as I'm going to another country on business soon & will be relying on my phone

[20:21:32]

NickHu:

(He's already /ignore'd me hasn't he)

[20:22:08]

justinh:

oh you bloody RETARDS. stop hosting your stuff on mediafire.com

[20:23:21]

NickHu:

What's wrong with mediafire?

[20:23:32]

tgm4883:

it's mediafire

[20:23:40]

NickHu:

... Problem?

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justinh:

right, got me a TPT to go back to gen1

[20:23:56]

NickHu:

I mean, apart from the fake "virus scanning" it does

[20:24:21]

NickHu:

justinh: Fine, ruin your phone.. See if I care :P

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sphery:

yunosh: are you compiling MythTV yourself or using packages? I was wondering if you could try out the test before I push it to -fixes. Since the data coming from my provider isn't affected by the change, I wanted to get at least one "real-world" sanity check.

[20:28:30]

sphery:

I can give you the patch... If you're using packages, though, I can just wait a week or 2 then backport

[20:29:04]

yunosh:

i'm using packages

[20:29:38]

sphery:

OK... I'll just give it a bit of a burn in period in master

[20:29:47]

yunosh:

k

[20:30:08]

sphery:

I don't think there are problems with it, but I'm not confident enough to backport without at least some chance for someone to notice

[20:30:29]

yunosh:

sure, makes sense

[20:30:30]

sphery:

I will make a specific request for input from a tv_grab_eu_epgdata user, though

[20:30:51]

tgm4883:

speaking of master, how is 0.25 coming along?

[20:31:11]

tgm4883:

I haven't seen any dates on anything posted recently, have we gone back to a 2 year release cycle?

[20:31:15]

NickHu:

0.25 is coming along?!

[20:31:25]

NickHu:

/sarcasm :P

[20:33:06]

sphery:

tgm4883: we tried the 2-year cycle with 0.22 and the 6-mo cycle with 0.23 and 0.24... we're thinking to be able to make an informed decision about what works best, we need to try a 4-yr cycle and an 8-yr cycle

[20:33:20]

sphery:

I don't remember which we've decided to do first, though

[20:33:52]

tgm4883:

sphery, well, to be fair, you should probably also try 2 month and 4 month cycles

[20:34:01]

sphery:

hehe

[20:34:34]

NickHu:

It is kinda amazing though

[20:34:56]

sphery:

in truth, if the changes to master to fix the db issue that started cropping up after some non-mythtv changes (newer kernel/libs/database/...???) actually work, there's a good chance we'll freeze sooner rather than later

[20:34:59]

NickHu:

Quite a lot of FOSS crap kicks the respective asses of proprietary stuff that's had millions of dollars/pounds gone into it

[20:35:02]

sphery:

and web setup won't make 0.25

[20:35:30]

NickHu:

Web set up? Are myth users getting lazier?

[20:35:38]

laga:

needs moar ajax

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NickHu:

Okay so mythfilldatabase has been running for almost three hours, and now it's on Marking episode last showings... Please tell me the next time I run this it won't take so frickin' long

[20:37:57]

justinh:

what about CIF?

[20:38:07]

justinh:

there's VIM, ajax... we need CIF too

[20:38:20]

justinh:

you could clean up with CIF

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sphery:

NickHu: likely won't... it will only be doing 1/7 the data

[20:39:29]

sphery:

NickHu: you may also be affected by this change I'm working, now... are you using packaged mythtv or compiling yourself?

[20:39:53]

NickHu:

So that's < 30 mins? Good, 'cause I'm likely to run it pretty much straight after it finishes

[20:39:56]

NickHu:

Arch linux package

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sphery:

ok

[20:40:05]

NickHu:

What change are you working on?

[20:40:10]

NickHu:

Database structure?

[20:40:23]

sphery:

will improve speed of marking episode first/last showings

[20:40:37]

sphery:

for users without programid and with very long descriptions (IIRC, RT has long ones)

[20:40:50]

NickHu:

... I don't know whether I should be annoyed or eager

[20:40:56]

tgm4883:

sphery, well we have ~5 months before it needs to be done in order to make it into 12.04

[20:41:13]

sphery:

yeah, I have a feeling we'll have a 0.25 by then

[20:41:20]

tgm4883:

cool

[20:41:22]

NickHu:

12.04?

[20:41:27]

NickHu:

4th December?

[20:41:30]

sphery:

some devs have been asking about freezing

[20:41:42]

tgm4883:

NickHu, Mythbuntu 12.04

[20:41:46]

NickHu:

Ohh

[20:41:47]

NickHu:

Right

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lapion:

hi, if I witch from one analog channel to another the frontend aborts playback...

[20:41:58]

sphery:

I haven't responded either way--mainly because I have a bit of time, now, so am hoping to finish a couple projects first

[20:42:33]

NickHu:

2011-08–27 21:18:03.666 Marking episode last showings.

[20:42:33]

lapion:

no matter if the frontend runs on the same system as the backend, or over a network..

[20:42:35]

tgm4883:

lapion, what does the backend log say?

[20:42:40]

NickHu:

666... I should've known -.-

[20:42:52]

sphery:

lapion: are you using the most current 0.24-fixes available?

[20:42:54]

tgm4883:

lapion, probably the frontend log aas well

[20:44:35]

sphery:

yours is likely http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9177 (which is more about channel changes involving analog tuners than anything else--which is buried in the 32 comments)

[20:46:16]

sphery:

lapion: what is the MythTV Version in mythfrontend --version

[20:47:15]

lapion:

sphery, 2:0.24.1+fixes.20110826.4bba807

[20:47:37]

sphery:

ah, that sounds new

[20:48:31]

tgm4883:

yea, pastebin frontend and backend logs

[20:48:32]

lapion:

MythTV Version : v0.24.1-77-g4bba807

[20:48:56]

lapion:

shoul;d I add any specific -l options ?

[20:49:37]

lapion:

I mean any specific -v options ?

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tgm4883:

lapion, I don't think so

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NickHu:

Huh, apparently you can run vaapi on top of vdpau...

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Seeker`:

NickHu: why would you want to?

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NickHu:

I have no idea, but you can do it

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NickHu:

= If your graphics card has like no memory at all but by some miracle supports vdpau?

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NickHu:

(QuadroFX)

[21:00:50]

NickHu:

OH MY GOD MYTHFILLDATABASE FINISHED!

[21:00:51]

lapion:

sphery, tgm4883 : http://pastebin.com/kQLqCA5t

[21:01:04]

lapion:

both logs in one paste.. ( one on top of anopther

[21:04:21]

sphery:

lapion: yeah, looks like it's not properly starting the analog recording since you have a finished recording but no started recording

[21:05:02]

sphery:

which is what tgm4883 had noticed before... I still wonder if it's related to the signal monitor changes, but don't know anything about them (or the signal monitor in general)

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lapion:

well if I change from digital ( only have 3 FTA channels) to analog there is no problem, it's only when changing from analog to analog

[21:05:33]

sphery:

lapion: what does your channel change script look like? you don't have it backgrounded (or have it calling some backgrounded script), do you?

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shiggity:

hello

[21:06:08]

shiggity:

I'm having database issues with MythTV

[21:06:17]

shiggity:

anyone able to help?

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lapion:

sphery, I have not made any changes

[21:06:35]

shiggity:

http://pastebin.com/kVyaiEK2

[21:06:42]

lapion:

to any script..

[21:06:48]

shiggity:

Beirdo: hello

[21:06:50]

shiggity:

:)

[21:06:59]

sphery:

lapion: are you using the internal tuner on your capture card?

[21:07:07]

lapion:

sphery, yes

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Beirdo:

hi

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shiggity:

Beirdo: could you help me with http://pastebin.com/kVyaiEK2 ?

[21:07:57]

sphery:

lapion: hmmm... there goes that theory :)

[21:08:50]

yunosh:

how the heck can i get a unified diff from a github commit view?

[21:09:10]

shiggity:

Beirdo: I just compiled the latest SVN

[21:09:11]

lapion:

sphery, same problem on a totally diferent system, where I check out several different analog cards, with diverse shipsets

[21:09:40]

Beirdo:

the lastest SVN was December 2010

[21:09:52]

Beirdo:

more likely, the latest from git

[21:09:57]

shiggity:

ya that's what I meant

[21:10:02]

shiggity:

from git

[21:10:27]

lapion:

should I add verbosity to the log file to get some more information ?

[21:11:11]

shiggity:

Beirdo: is my problem fixable easily? what's with it dying due to it not liking the qt painter?

[21:12:13]

Beirdo:

I don't know offhand. I haven't had a chance to look

[21:12:23]

shiggity:

http://pastebin.com/kVyaiEK2

[21:12:24]

shiggity:

:P

[21:12:44]

lapion:

sphery, changing from one digital channel to another give no problem, so I have been zapping, from analog to digital back to analog to zap from one channel to another

[21:13:09]

sphery:

shiggity: are you positive you have proper config.xml and mysql.txt files?

[21:13:38]

shiggity:

sphery: well I had it all working the last time I booted into gentoo here... no reason why it should fail when I boot back at a later time

[21:13:47]

sphery:

specifically, 2011-08–27 16:54:24.636100 N Using configuration directory = /home/shiggity/.mythtv , so /home/shiggity/.mythtv/config.xml and /home/shiggity/.mythtv/mysql.txt

[21:14:07]

sphery:

if there's no reason, then it wouldn't be doing it ;)

[21:14:18]

shiggity:

should I delete .mythtv so it can be remade?

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sphery:

no, check config.xml and mysql.txt in there

[21:14:32]

sphery:

make sure it's got the right info

[21:14:36]

sphery:

and/or run mythfrontend -p

[21:14:49]

shiggity:

mythfrontend crashes out

[21:14:57]

shiggity:

complaining of either the database or qt painter

[21:15:12]

sphery:

right

[21:15:19]

sphery:

mythfrontend -p asks you for database info

[21:15:28]

shiggity:

k

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shiggity:

bah I think the freakin backend wasn't running at all

[21:17:16]

lapion:

sphery a livetv stream-file is being created but it remains empty..

[21:17:28]

lapion:

sphery a livetv stream-file is created but it remains empty..

[21:18:26]

NickHu:

Quick quesiton, putting in the frequency of one "thingy" – I forget the proper terminology – causes myth to scan the whole transport right?

[21:18:48]

shiggity:

sphery: when I run mythtv-setup it segfaults when I try and set it up

[21:18:58]

NickHu:

shiggity: Do ldd on it

[21:19:08]

shiggity:

so ldd mythtv?

[21:19:13]

NickHu:

No

[21:19:18]

NickHu:

which mythtv

[21:19:23]

NickHu:

ldd (output of which)

[21:20:33]

NickHu:

ldd `which mythtv-setup`

[21:20:42]

NickHu:

God backticks are useful

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DeviceZer0:

kinda of a random question. Is anyone in here familiar with the "mediainfo" program? Im trying to determin if a video from my hdpvr needs to be deinterlaced and when i run i mediainfo on it...scan type says progressive...scan type is wheter its interlaced or not? and progressive would NOT be interlaced?

[21:26:53]

sphery:

that's correct from a terminology perspective

[21:27:08]

sphery:

that said, though, some video is mis-marked

[21:27:33]

DeviceZer0:

well my stb has a few options and i had been playing around with them...and not sure which option this was recorded with

[21:27:55]

sphery:

best way to determine if a video needs deinterlacing is to notice combing on pans and fast movement--which says it does

[21:28:01]

DeviceZer0:

stb has options to output SD content as 480p/480i or a few others...

[21:28:07]

DeviceZer0:

yea

[21:28:28]

DeviceZer0:

i think its already deinterlaced(not very well by stb)

[21:29:23]

sphery:

yeah, you might like something like vdpau's advanced 2x better than what the stb does

[21:29:41]

sphery:

(and likely better than a tv would do, too)

[21:30:57]

DeviceZer0:

yea

[21:31:31]

DeviceZer0:

i was new to the stb and didnt know if it would be good/bad...so a few of these recordings dont look good due to crappy deinterlacer from stb.

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lapion:

sphery, a new nuv fiel is created however it is npot playbackable

[21:35:30]

shiggity:

NickHu: it says: shiggity@AsahinaMikuru /usr/local/bin $ which mythtv

[21:35:30]

shiggity:

which: no mythtv in (/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/opt/bin:/usr/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/4.5.2:/o pt/android-sdk-update-manager/tools:/opt/android-sdk-update-manager/platform-too ls:/usr/lib64/subversion/bin:/usr/games/bin)

[21:35:43]

NickHu:

...

[21:35:45]

NickHu:

ldd `which mythtv-setup`

[21:36:09]

sphery:

lapion: is the new file that's created using the same exact file name (same timestamp to the seconds) as mythfrontend is using?

[21:36:17]

sphery:

what size is it?

[21:36:36]

sphery:

can you play it back later (outside of livetv)?

[21:36:47]

shiggity:

NickHu: http://pastebin.com/ZXjQQ0BV

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lapion:

sphery the file is not playbackable using mplayer

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NickHu:

Ugh, you guys with good mysql skillz, can you give me a command to set channels with a number higher than 1000 to not visible?

[21:40:06]

lapion:

sphery, file name example: 1086_20110827233333.nuv

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lapion:

sphery, and is 474816 bytes in size..

[21:41:12]

sphery:

lapion: do you mind putting it on a filebin somewhere so I can download it?

[21:41:40]

sphery:

just want to see if it's maybe trying to create a dummy file or something (where, TTBOMK, we shouldn't be doing dummy files for analog tuners)

[21:43:02]

NickHu:

Would this work? UPDATE channel set visible=FALSE WHERE channum > 1000;

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lapion:

sphery, do you have any filebin you prefer ?

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sphery:

anything that works for you

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sphery:

and if you use a personal web server or whatever, feel free to PM me the link

[21:48:23]

** sphery wishes all his tickets were that easy **

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sphery:

Seeker`: thanks-> https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/a79da7b3f

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lapion:

sphery, I currently have no ideas, do you have any location I could upload it with ftp or any other ?

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Seeker`:

sphery: thanks

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sphery:

lapion: how about e-mail to me... I'm http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . ;list=mythtv

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sphery:

lapion: oh, btw, please put mythtv in the subject somewhere so it's easier to find

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sphery:

(I get a bunch of spam--though not nearly so much, now, in the last couple of years... Seems MS's crusade is actually working.)

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lapion:

sphery, topic/content of mail is:" video from channel change abort"

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sphery:

ok, cool, found it

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sphery:

thanks

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skd5aner:

is jamu officially retired now in master and replaced by mythmetadatalookup? Or just deprecated?

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sphery:

removed from master

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sphery:

therefore, I'd say retired and deprecated

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skd5aner:

k – haven't got that far yet in commits

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skd5aner:

still around July 12 where some of this stuff is taking place

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skd5aner:

trying to accurately document

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sphery:

ah, cool

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sphery:

it wasn't removed right away, but was removed after the internal stuff was all better than jamu

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lapion:

sphery, for every stream created a dummy is also created, like this file also had a dummy next to it..

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sphery:

so you had 1086_20110827233333.nuv and one a few seconds earlier that was the dummy file?

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sphery:

jpabq: do we now use dummy files with analog capture, too (or should we only use them with digital capture or maybe digital + HD-PVR)? ^^^

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skd5aner:

sphery: heh – got there ;)

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skd5aner:

sphery: http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-fireho . . . /001029.html

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sphery:

hehe, making progress--almost into the current month, even

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skd5aner:

It'll take me a week to get to August at this pace

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skd5aner:

I've never been so overwhelmed in my life as I have this summer

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sphery:

:(

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sphery:

you know if you weren't able to keep up with this, we'd understand

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skd5aner:

I know – but honestly, it's something that helps me get my mind off of everything else and escape from "the real world"

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sphery:

in other words, feel free to put real life first

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sphery:

ah, yeah

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sphery:

I understand--that's why I like to work on mythtv, too

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skd5aner:

it's a hobby at this point

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lapion:

sphery, one one second before, and one with the same same name as the one of the original channel but 3 seconds after the failed stream

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skd5aner:

but, it's been a few years since I've been about 2 months behind in commits

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NickHu:

2011-08–27 22:43:34.810 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost

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NickHu:

WHY IS THIS TAKING SO LONG?

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lapion:

sphery, both those files where nul in size

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lapion:

sphery i'll talk about this later, feel free to mail em any solutions you might think of in the meanwhile..

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sphery:

lapion: I'm guessing I'm not going to figure anything out

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** lapion has got to go and fetch some ZZZ's laters. **

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lapion:

sphery, ok ill try some verbose loggin next time.

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sphery:

best bet is probably to watch #9177 (and/or if you can diagnose it yourself, let us know and we can unlock the ticket so you can update it with more info)

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marsilainen:

hi

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marsilainen:

just getting used to mythtv...

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marsilainen:

going ok so far, but 1 question

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marsilainen:

when watching live tv I need to adjust the 'audio sync' by around 100ms

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marsilainen:

is there some way to save that setting?

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marsilainen:

if I exit back to the mythtv menus and then go back to watch tv the setting seems to have gone?

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sphery:

marsilainen: in unstable/development code, it's saved on change

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marsilainen:

ah ok

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marsilainen:

so should that appear in the next stable release?

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sphery:

and, fwiw, jya ported that change to his 0.24-fixes ppa if you're an ubuntu user

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sphery:

yeah, will definitely be in 0.25 when released

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marsilainen:

ah, I've not looked at that ppa yet, but I will do

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marsilainen:

thanks

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k-man:

RobertLaptop, do you compile mythtv on osx?

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sphery:

hope Captain_Murdoch disappeared by choice--and not by hurricane.

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RobertLaptop:

k-man, No. I don't run osx at all Linux only

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