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| [01:05:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: ethtool perhaps? |
| [01:06:12] | wagnerrp: | the user didnt provide logs of ethtool |
| [01:06:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | ah, gotcha. ;-) |
| [01:07:27] | wagnerrp: | dmesg logs made note of NDIS and wlan drivers |
| [01:07:37] | wagnerrp: | i was curious as to what speed it claimed to connect at |
| [01:09:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | gotcha. |
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| [01:27:42] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: fyi: "RNDIS" is not really NDIS, nor does it use ndiswrapper under Linux. It's basically a USB device class for ethernet devices. |
| [01:28:18] | wagnerrp: | oh? well its still odd that it registers as a wlan device |
| [01:28:33] | devinheitmueller: | It was a Microsoft standard for USB Ethernet devices to all use a common driver, and it came out before the USB consortium came up with their own USB device class for Ethernet. |
| [01:28:42] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: probably just ifconfig being wonky. |
| [01:29:44] | devinheitmueller: | Or that's what the Linux driver author called the rndis driver. If you look at the ifconfig output, there is no mention of wireless. It's a standard Ethernet device. |
| [01:30:37] | devinheitmueller: | Anyway, the fact that it's RNDIS is the reason it "just worked" under Linux without any need for it's own USB driver or having to change an existing driver to know about the DCR-2650's USB PID/VID. |
| [01:30:45] | wagnerrp: | right, it was only dmesg reporting that stuff |
| [01:31:32] | wagnerrp: | so that was just additional cruft rndis carried with it when it got loaded? |
| [01:31:50] | devinheitmueller: | Probably. |
| [01:32:10] | devinheitmueller: | I haven't looked at the Linux RNDIS driver code, but that would be a reasonable guess. |
| [01:33:10] | devinheitmueller: | If you do a google for "RNDIS" you will see it's actually pretty popular. Lots of devices use it (for example, many phones use it for USB tethering). |
| [01:34:30] | devinheitmueller: | Anyway, just popped in to clear that up. Ttyl. |
| [01:34:48] | wagnerrp: | thanks, later |
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| [01:35:04] | ** wagnerrp goes back to waiting for the deus ex download ** | |
| [01:35:17] | wagnerrp: | stupid internet connection |
| [01:35:23] | wagnerrp: | steam if giving you all you can handle |
| [01:35:31] | wagnerrp: | why can you only handle 500KBps |
| [01:35:38] | wagnerrp: | s/if/is/ |
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| [01:55:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | hehehe... BN was pretty good. ;-) |
| [01:56:10] | wagnerrp: | BN? |
| [01:56:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | Burn Notice. ;-) |
| [01:56:35] | wagnerrp: | oh, didnt see tonight |
| [01:56:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ah, you've got it scheduled, no? |
| [01:59:30] | wagnerrp: | scheduled yes, but ive got nothing to record it on |
| [01:59:51] | wagnerrp: | still havent gotten my cable boxes installed after they shut off analog earlier this year |
| [02:00:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | eek... |
| [02:01:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | It's online in a day or so, right? |
| [02:02:53] | wagnerrp: | yeah, hulu carries the last couple episodes |
| [02:04:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | Well, at least you don't totally miss it... yikes. USA is one of my favorite channels... ;-) As a matter of fact, it probably IS my most recorded channel... |
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| [02:07:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dang, I hadn't watched Hulu in a while... the quality is pretty darn good... ;-) |
| [02:07:37] | wagnerrp: | well... |
| [02:07:51] | wagnerrp: | ill say its about as good as i got off the analog tuners on my 150s |
| [02:07:57] | wagnerrp: | but that isnt saying much |
| [02:08:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah, it's not HD, but dang, it's pretty good... |
| [02:08:48] | wagnerrp: | theres no analog noise, thats as much as ill give it |
| [02:09:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah. ;-) |
| [02:09:09] | wagnerrp: | its still like 360p or something |
| [02:10:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | I had PVR-150's until I went to HD about a year ago... But was using Sat STB's via S-Video... So no analog noise for me back then... just an occasional sat signal artifacts... |
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| [02:10:31] | wagnerrp: | yeah, im trying to pair it to DTAs |
| [02:10:48] | wagnerrp: | which means crummy quality coming out of the box, to crummier quality going into the tuners |
| [02:11:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | Hopefully the type with video outputs? |
| [02:11:54] | wagnerrp: | they dont make DTAs with video outputs, hence the 'tuners' |
| [02:12:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ah, ok, I guess I've only seen them on the HD converter boxes then (ATSC) |
| [02:13:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | You have the DTAs now? What's left to figure out? |
| [02:13:09] | wagnerrp: | blasting |
| [02:13:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ah... ;-) Been there, done that. ;-) I used to use a Serial IR blaster, now I use a MCE remote receiver to blast to one of my STB's. |
| [02:14:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | I fought with my old Dish DP7200 receiver... It wasn't until I broke out my O-scope that I found that the signal needed to be repeated at least 3x for the receiver to respond... Otherwise, the waveforms were perfect... |
| [02:16:39] | wagnerrp: | i cant even get my IR lights to light up |
| [02:16:44] | wagnerrp: | for all i know, theyre all burnt out |
| [02:17:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | What are you blasting wit? |
| [02:17:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | *with |
| [02:17:12] | wagnerrp: | the 150s and an mceusb |
| [02:17:21] | wagnerrp: | actually, i couldnt get the mceusb to light up |
| [02:17:30] | wagnerrp: | so i tested hitting it with 1.5V |
| [02:17:39] | wagnerrp: | i got a response out of that! |
| [02:17:54] | wagnerrp: | (and im sure it burned out) |
| [02:17:56] | clever: | you know about LED's and current limiting? |
| [02:18:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | Try it again, with a 100ohm resistor inline - |
| [02:18:19] | clever: | yeah |
| [02:18:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | If you did it briefly (just a tap), the led is probably ok. |
| [02:18:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | If you held it on, well, that might not be the case. ;-) |
| [02:18:55] | clever: | ive fried a regular led once before, and the smell and smoke was noticable |
| [02:18:58] | wagnerrp: | yeah, its dead |
| [02:19:04] | clever: | plus, it now has a brown tint inside the lense |
| [02:19:17] | clever: | surprised the smell could escape the sealed plastic end |
| [02:19:35] | wagnerrp: | you just need some replacement smoke |
| [02:19:51] | clever: | i actualy know of a site that told some back in april |
| [02:20:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Well, it is just an IR LED, you could open it up and solder a new LED on there... it might not be as small though. ;-) |
| [02:20:10] | clever: | i think they sold it on april 1st :P |
| [02:21:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | I found some on fleabay, but they're $6.48 each... grr... They're 'pretty', but grrr... |
| [02:22:46] | wagnerrp: | http://www3.telus.net/bc_triumph_registry/images/Smokekit2.jpg |
| [02:23:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Ooh, just found one for $3.99 each and free shipping – that's more like it... auction# 250676228397 |
| [02:23:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | humm.. ships from china though, so you'd have it in 2 or 3 weeks... |
| [02:23:50] | wagnerrp: | well i need two of them |
| [02:23:55] | wagnerrp: | and the mceusb is too far to use anyway |
| [02:23:58] | clever: | wagnerrp: lol |
| [02:24:05] | wagnerrp: | so i would either need to buy another unit |
| [02:24:22] | wagnerrp: | or i need to buy a replacement cable for one of my 150s, which got snapped off in the port |
| [02:24:34] | clever: | wagnerrp: i was thinking more of http://www.sparkfun.com/products/10622 'Magic Blue Smoke Refilling Kit' |
| [02:25:09] | wagnerrp: | gearheads do it bigger |
| [02:25:37] | clever: | i havent used the 150 blaster in ages |
| [02:25:46] | clever: | the driver ceased to compile one day |
| [02:26:30] | bbc581: | yeah it was a b**** try to keep up with that thread |
| [02:26:46] | wagnerrp: | thread? |
| [02:27:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Lots of hits on "mce receiver" on fleabay... cheapest one I've seen so far is $13.99 for just a receiver and 1 blaster... (free shipping too) |
| [02:27:26] | bbc581: | yeah I had the same problem compiling the drivers myself I was having a problem with my distribution |
| [02:27:47] | clever: | it worked fine until i did a dist-upgrade |
| [02:28:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | I had similar issues with the Serial IR blasting — upgrades often broke it... |
| [02:28:15] | bbc581: | yeah they started integrating all that stuff into the kernel |
| [02:28:16] | clever: | i need to redo the entire master backend, the alsa libs and qt libs are now holding mythtv back |
| [02:29:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: ooh, 2 for $6.95 – and US seller... # 360336112217 |
| [02:30:33] | bbc581: | im getting to see this wife exceptance factor thing is going to qualify for a solid state drive purchase |
| [02:32:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | bbc581: I <3 my SSD – my backend FLIES now... Even with >500 channels and ~1200 recordings and ~4 years of 'previously recorded' history... |
| [02:32:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | bbc581: Mythweb locally on the backend is near-instant with everything... |
| [02:33:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | bbc581: and remote (via internet) is many times faster too. |
| [02:38:50] | bbc581: | has anyone had any problems using the analog drivers for the saa7164? |
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| [02:42:45] | JEDIDIAH__: | can't overestimate the value the WAF |
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| [03:07:13] | wagnerrp: | as a question, leave if its not answered in five minutes? |
| [03:07:15] | wagnerrp: | typical.... |
| [03:17:26] | k-man: | in the osx builder script, it downloads qt from nokia – afaict, the new definitive repository for qt is qt.gitorious.org. any idea if there is a special reason for not using that repo? |
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| [03:25:48] | Baylink: | Well at least he didn't bitch about it, wagnerrp. :-) Some people have Actual Lives, y'know. Unlike us? |
| [03:27:30] | wagnerrp: | you mean most people dont actually have a machine they leave on all the time, that can remain connected to irc? |
| [03:27:55] | k-man: | does robert mcnamara hang out here? |
| [03:28:25] | wagnerrp: | uh huh |
| [03:29:15] | wagnerrp: | oh internets, why are you so slow |
| [03:29:49] | wagnerrp: | i should have just gone to gamestop, not like my connection is fast enough for onlive |
| [03:29:50] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [03:30:46] | wagnerrp: | k-man: i know for a fact that youve talked to him in here before |
| [03:31:02] | k-man: | wagnerrp, ah |
| [03:31:03] | k-man: | thanks |
| [03:31:33] | k-man: | wagnerrp, if its any consolation, git clone from gitorious is painfully slow too |
| [03:32:28] | wagnerrp: | im just bitter because fiber can be had a mere block away |
| [03:32:47] | wagnerrp: | i can see the lines on the utility pole |
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| [03:37:17] | JEDIDIAH__: | oi painful. |
| [03:37:33] | k-man: | wagnerrp, that is painful |
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| [04:09:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: hopefully they'll migrate to your area soon... ;-) |
| [04:09:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: I actually called to inquire about getting FiOS installed the day after I saw them putting up fiber on the other side of my neighborhood... |
| [04:10:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | And had it within a week! |
| [04:10:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | So keep your hopes up! |
| [04:33:53] | Beirdo: | Yay! |
| [04:34:06] | Beirdo: | cppcheck ran as scheduled |
| [04:34:15] | Beirdo: | mingw build succeeded |
| [04:34:36] | Beirdo: | all it failed on was a "list the install dir" as I had the wrong path |
| [04:51:59] | ** wagnerrp frustratingly waits those last ten minutes ** | |
| [05:00:55] | k-man: | it would be cool if git had some sort of swarm mode where it could clone a repository from many hosts, as gitorious us way too slow |
| [05:02:31] | wagnerrp: | github maxes out my connection |
| [05:03:13] | k-man: | wagnerrp, hmm... I'm not sure why gitorious is so slow |
| [05:04:14] | k-man: | ah, just fixed my printer with the hot melt glue gun! |
| [05:04:24] | k-man: | that will teach it! |
| [05:22:02] | ** justinh wonders if JAMU running when it didn't need to was a factor in the deadlocks ** | |
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| [05:34:11] | wagnerrp: | im really liking the movement system in this game |
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| [06:04:27] | Beirdo: | OK, I think I got it. |
| [06:05:08] | Beirdo: | so I will be looking at putting up the config for master builds in mingw assuming it completely passes |
| [06:05:40] | Beirdo: | then I'll test 0.24 builds again... and then put that builder up too |
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| [06:08:11] | Beirdo: | WTH? |
| [06:08:28] | Beirdo: | the rsync push of doxygendocs takes 32min?! |
| [06:12:16] | dekarl: | (23:49:07) Seeker`: erm. sudo service mythtv-backend stop isn't actually killing mythbackend :/ |
| [06:12:16] | dekarl: | I'm seeing that too, there are " saa7146 (0) saa7146_i2c_writeout [irq]: timed out waiting for end of xfer" around the same time. (the dvb device locking up is the reason I try to stop/start) |
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| [06:34:28] | dekarl: | "irq 17: nobody cared" no wonder the saa7146 got offended :) http://pastebin.com/Q88vqjvt |
| [06:37:36] | k-man: | when are half checks used in checkboxes? |
| [06:38:02] | k-man: | wagnerrp, which game? |
| [06:38:06] | justinh: | k-man: damned if I know. how is something ever 'half' checked? |
| [06:38:24] | k-man: | justinh, no idea |
| [06:38:31] | k-man: | do I need to support half checked in my theme? |
| [06:38:37] | justinh: | probably |
| [06:38:42] | k-man: | damn it! ;) |
| [06:39:01] | k-man: | it's for those situations when you want to half record a show |
| [06:39:02] | justinh: | reminds me I have an invalid filename in my checkbox definition |
| [06:39:27] | justinh: | I've been clearing those up as I go along but not this one. I just CBA |
| [06:39:34] | justinh: | it's for the halfchecked state :P |
| [06:39:56] | justinh: | when we find out, let's make sure to explain it in the wiki eh |
| [06:40:07] | k-man: | s/when/if |
| [06:40:07] | justinh: | maybe the code will know |
| [06:40:28] | k-man: | anyway, I wish there was a way to draw primitives in xml |
| [06:40:38] | k-man: | so I don't have to fiddle with images |
| [06:41:21] | Beirdo: | OMG, no wonder it takes so long. |
| [06:41:26] | justinh: | whoa I just found a hardcoded image path in the code – but it's ok – just a hangover from before mythui |
| [06:41:33] | Beirdo: | the doxygen output...180MB |
| [06:41:48] | justinh: | k-man: textarea <value>X</value> :P |
| [06:42:37] | justinh: | "libmythui/mythuicheckbox.h: * \brief A checkbox widget supporting three check states – on,off,half and two" |
| [06:42:49] | justinh: | er.. that's FOUR |
| [06:43:00] | justinh: | oh wait four states, 3 of which are checked |
| [06:43:24] | justinh: | k-man: as usual, I think if in doubt, see what iamlindoro does in Arclight :D |
| [06:43:33] | k-man: | ok |
| [06:44:25] | justinh: | I can't even find a definition for 'half' |
| [06:44:32] | wagnerrp: | lack of autosave is a major PITA |
| [06:44:47] | wagnerrp: | k-man: deus ex |
| [06:45:32] | wagnerrp: | not autosave, quicksave |
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| [06:46:09] | justinh: | well in programs all the CheckState calls seem to be referring to bools.. and a bool is either one or the other.. off or full AFAIK |
| [06:46:18] | k-man: | justinh, I don't see half and full in arclight (at least not on my initial look |
| [06:46:53] | justinh: | I can't even think of when 3 checked states would be useful |
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| [06:47:11] | justinh: | nor have I ever heard of a checkbox having more than 2 states |
| [06:47:16] | dekarl: | k-man: drawing primitives in xml, something like svg? (on, off, maybe and "inherit whatever is default". perfect.) |
| [06:47:31] | k-man: | justinh, maybe half is like "not defined" or something |
| [06:48:09] | justinh: | k-man: I'm still looking in the code. nothing I've found is setting the CheckState to half anywhere |
| [06:48:11] | k-man: | dekarl, no idea as I don't know anything about the syntax of svg |
| [06:48:58] | justinh: | k-man: safe to say you can't use svg in mythui xml |
| [06:49:23] | k-man: | I was just thinking it would be nice to be able to do some sort of line drawing instead of having to include an image |
| [06:49:31] | dekarl: | justinh: you can't loads svg images? |
| [06:49:36] | justinh: | no |
| [06:49:43] | dekarl: | bummer |
| [06:49:53] | justinh: | not that it'll improve anything anyway |
| [06:49:56] | dekarl: | I'm not going to ask about "embedded svg" or something |
| [06:50:07] | justinh: | since every svg would be converted to a bitmap like everything else |
| [06:50:25] | dekarl: | hmm, svg renders well as opengl (or so I'm told) |
| [06:50:47] | justinh: | dekarl: not in mythtv |
| [06:51:08] | dekarl: | anyway, I'm not coming up with a patch for that, so I'll better shut up ;) |
| [06:51:11] | justinh: | everything gets loaded, scaled & alpha-multipled into a qimage |
| [06:51:33] | justinh: | I think the sooner the qt painter is ditched the better :-) |
| [06:51:55] | justinh: | if we were using qt to do opengl painting.. different story |
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| [06:52:31] | justinh: | sometimes I even question whether it's still necessary to prescale images |
| [06:52:41] | k-man: | justinh, interestingly, Arclight has an empty space for not checked, and a spot for checked |
| [06:52:47] | k-man: | I could work with that |
| [06:52:49] | dekarl: | "just gl and some video surfaces is enough for everyone" |
| [06:53:13] | k-man: | is the qt painter going to be ditched? |
| [06:53:22] | justinh: | well, my grep of the stuff in mythtv is complete... nowhere is doing SetCheckState to anything other than a bool |
| [06:53:27] | justinh: | k-man: I hope so |
| [06:53:42] | dekarl: | justinh: I can see good prescaling and filtering going a long way if you render interlaced to analogue crts... |
| [06:53:53] | justinh: | it's of limited use now, and is only really still around for legacy compatability |
| [06:54:06] | justinh: | dekarl: gl's scaling filters are better than qt's |
| [06:54:18] | justinh: | and nothing gets rendered interlaced |
| [06:54:53] | justinh: | your X is always progressive unless you're using an interlaced mode – and if you're using a TV out of a VGA card you ain't in an interlaced mode |
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| [06:55:11] | dekarl: | justinh: don't know the details on what scaling gets used. And well, it's gets rendered to look nice on interlaced ;) |
| [06:55:30] | justinh: | it gets rendered. end of story |
| [06:55:40] | justinh: | the same as when it goes to a HDTV. no difference |
| [06:56:11] | justinh: | the scaling used in mythtv is the best qt has – which I think the equivalent of is cubic interpolation |
| [06:56:47] | justinh: | I've got a comparison somewhere from when I was messing with bringing effects to the mythui painters |
| [06:57:43] | dekarl: | I didnt want to suggest to invest work in making old interlaced output look better or something, no worries :) |
| [06:57:44] | justinh: | prescaling is done because the best scaling qt offers would be too slow on some older systems to use on the fly |
| [06:58:37] | justinh: | but if you just use gl.. it doesn't take much longer to scale & display an image than it does just to display it – unless your gl really sucks (Intel) |
| [06:59:40] | justinh: | I suspect the qt painter may not have long left :) |
| [07:00:52] | justinh: | I mean even with Intel's sucky gl on my laptop, scaling & rotating on the fly with mythui was pretty funky fast – I mean you could scroll through the watch recordings list/epg & menus in a blur still |
| [07:01:11] | justinh: | and it was only slightly slower than with prescaled images |
| [07:01:13] | dekarl: | just use gl sounds good. Let the embedded fans add some nice mipmapped image cache and only upload the relevant sizes to not trash their tablets/phones video memory ;) |
| [07:01:27] | justinh: | let the embedded fans die in a fire |
| [07:01:32] | justinh: | mythtv isn't for embedded systems |
| [07:02:20] | justinh: | anyway there are other improvements that can be made to help those with less power.. like dirty area redrawing – where only the screen areas which change are redrawn |
| [07:02:45] | justinh: | the qt painter does that at the moment but the gl one doesn't.. but it can be made to quite easily |
| [07:03:04] | justinh: | XBMC have only recently started doing dirty area redrawing |
| [07:03:25] | k-man: | justinh, did it improved things performance wise? |
| [07:03:34] | justinh: | not for the vast majority of people |
| [07:03:55] | dekarl: | I don't see real reasons to not run the *frontend* on tablet/appletv kind embedded stuff. Heard of the xbmc work in that area. |
| [07:04:05] | justinh: | but for folks with less than powerful gl... (portable devices) .. sure |
| [07:04:42] | justinh: | dekarl: AFAIK appletv isn't exactly a lowly gl device. the GPU in that is pretty capable AFAIK |
| [07:05:08] | justinh: | same with tablets.. it's more about the CPU I think |
| [07:05:26] | justinh: | the drawing doesn't take as long as the CPU telling it to do the drawing :D |
| [07:05:57] | justinh: | so maybe if XBMC is gearing up for tablet use maybe they might want to rethink the OneBigListOfEverything(TM) |
| [07:06:05] | dekarl: | true, it's been an issue of only 16MB memory and no real CPU/GPU at all, but now with >1GB memory in most phones that's long gone |
| [07:06:21] | justinh: | mythfrontend on a phone? MEH |
| [07:06:28] | justinh: | I wish I could make that MEH much bigger |
| [07:07:27] | justinh: | I think battery tech needs to catch up with CPU speed improvements in mobile devices before long |
| [07:08:03] | dekarl: | "phone" as a synonym of the one embedded platform with the highest number of units around. it's more or less the same specs as any tablet / embedded stb / boxeebox... |
| [07:08:24] | AndyCap: | same s***, different wrapping? :) |
| [07:08:32] | justinh: | the concept of mythfrontend on a STB is dead to me |
| [07:09:26] | justinh: | people go... "ooo this STB looks linuxy" I COULD RUN MYTHFRONTEND ON IT! |
| [07:09:42] | AndyCap: | and here I thought mythtv was all about the applianc. :P |
| [07:09:47] | AndyCap: | +e |
| [07:10:12] | justinh: | yeah, they sure could.. apart from the fact the stupid piece of crap relies on HW accelerated video decoding no mere mortal linux user is ever gonna get their grubby hands on a driver for |
| [07:10:49] | justinh: | AndyCap: the people who talk about mythtv as a 'product' are prone to fall into that kind of trap |
| [07:10:58] | dekarl: | justinh: been there, wanted that, looked at the specs and moved on (and yes, the one thing that's missing is an API for the graphics / video acceleration) |
| [07:11:35] | justinh: | it's a pretty damn big 'one thing' though |
| [07:11:43] | AndyCap: | hehe, an SDK for set-top boxes based on some sort of ION platform. :P |
| [07:12:13] | AndyCap: | but I guess having your receiver fall over on crappy video is a no-go |
| [07:12:33] | justinh: | they tend to cope with broadcast stuff they're designed for |
| [07:12:45] | justinh: | and if it fails with your own content you can just recode it |
| [07:12:59] | justinh: | and if you're doing anything else, it's your own stupid fault |
| [07:13:16] | justinh: | and then there's the beloved flash.. whoops |
| [07:13:25] | justinh: | oh well. it was a nice thought while it lasted eh |
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| [07:14:11] | AndyCap: | justinh: I was thinking the other way around. Pipedream: pushing a generic VDPAU capable x86 platfrom to set-top manufacturers. |
| [07:14:16] | dekarl: | was looking forward to the Syabas people getting some API exposed with their popcornhour, now looking at XBMC/Sigma Designs work, but not holding my breath anymore... |
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| [07:15:07] | justinh: | dekarl: best not or you'll end up that blue guy sitting in the corner no longer moving |
| [07:15:08] | dekarl: | andycap: way to expensive |
| [07:15:22] | AndyCap: | dekarl: yes. I realize that. :> |
| [07:15:52] | justinh: | it's entirely possible that one day somebody will make something that can do what mythtv can do, almost as good as doing it as mythtv |
| [07:16:02] | justinh: | but my hopes are wearing thin now |
| [07:16:56] | justinh: | for all the people who've criticised mythtv for its UI... it's *still* way better than the majority of appliances which claim to be capable of being networked media systems |
| [07:17:16] | justinh: | I mean, look at the web TV interface on TVs... UGH |
| [07:17:23] | justinh: | or game consoles... UGH |
| [07:17:27] | dekarl: | gtg, need to tell some people that we have interface contracts for a reason (and not to bug them) ... again |
| [07:17:35] | justinh: | heh |
| [07:18:41] | justinh: | ahh I'd called the image boxhalfcheckedsel.png but defined the filename as boxhalfchecksel.png – oops |
| [07:19:08] | justinh: | I need to work out what to do with the buttons in the metadata editor next |
| [07:19:35] | justinh: | the 'go online & get artwork' buttons. currently a crappy 40x40px anomymous box |
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| [09:07:12] | justinh: | there we go now http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15539509/metadataedit.png |
| [09:12:39] | seeker: | justinh: What's that? |
| [09:14:33] | justinh: | that's the 'edit metadata' window |
| [09:15:19] | justinh: | got a couple more things to change like the selectors for category & parental control but it's nearly there |
| [09:17:24] | seeker: | Are you making your own theme? |
| [09:25:11] | justinh: | oh yeah |
| [09:25:57] | seeker: | Are there pics of the rest of it anywhere easily |
| [09:26:01] | seeker: | Accessible? |
| [09:27:04] | justinh: | nope |
| [09:27:48] | justinh: | but this is the 'watch recordings' screen http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15539509/pbb3.png |
| [09:29:05] | justinh: | and here' |
| [09:29:30] | justinh: | and here's the gallery view in mythvideo so far http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15539509/mythvid1.png |
| [09:30:47] | seeker: | Layout looks good :) not so convinced by the colours :P |
| [09:41:30] | justinh: | those are easy changes |
| [09:44:17] | justinh: | ok so having to restore my backed up SMS messages for the 2nd time in 24 hours.. not looking good for retardedAndroidROM-mod |
| [09:45:37] | sid3windr: | =) |
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| [09:55:09] | justinh: | and this isn't even the 'release candidate' version. It's the actual released version |
| [09:56:11] | justinh: | but at least the UI animations are cooler eh |
| [10:02:29] | seeker: | justinh: And you showed "the man" who is boss! |
| [10:02:33] | seeker: | :P |
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| [10:35:12] | justinh: | seeker: tbh I couldn't give a toss about sticking it to 'the man' |
| [10:35:21] | justinh: | I just want a phone which isn't flaky |
| [10:35:46] | justinh: | so for that I might just have to de-gen my phone & reflash the de-orangeinated image back onto it |
| [10:37:54] | justinh: | oh dear oh dear. now my desktop machine can't even mount a USB stick |
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| [11:46:01] | justinh: | hey, seems my laptop can mount the phone SD card just fine. think my linux desktop needs a re-login |
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| [12:31:57] | justinh: | ugh. been given a phone for my trip. a windows smartphone |
| [12:33:59] | k-man: | justinh, yay! |
| [12:37:19] | likwid--_: | how do you guys organize videos within mythtv? can i give coverart/fanart to a folder within the videos directory? (for series of movies) |
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| [12:50:33] | justinh: | likwid--_: the idea is that we all use storagegroups for cover/fan/banner/screenshot artwork |
| [12:50:51] | justinh: | separate from the video files themselves |
| [12:51:26] | justinh: | but if it's a folder where there isn't likely to be any artwork online you can put a folder.png or folder.jpg in the folder & mythvideo will use that |
| [12:52:05] | justinh: | e.g. in my Home\ Movies folder I've got a folder.png & mythvideo shows that |
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| [13:02:45] | likwid--_: | storagegroups for artwork. what you mean? |
| [13:03:07] | likwid--_: | ok let me give an example... James bond movies. Id rather them all be grouped |
| [13:03:18] | likwid--_: | would i put them all in a "storage group"? |
| [13:03:34] | Seeker`: | You'd have a Videos/Bond/<movie files go here> |
| [13:03:42] | Seeker`: | and a Videos/Bond/folder.jpg |
| [13:03:54] | Seeker`: | where folder.jpg is the file you want to show as the folder image |
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| [13:04:55] | Seeker`: | And /path/to/Videos is a Videos storage group directory |
| [13:06:23] | likwid--_: | it isnt possible to make a dir in Videos to "auto expand" with all the contents being shown below it without actually navigating to it? |
| [13:06:37] | justinh: | ugh. not having a credit card really makes booking car hire very tricky (impossible) |
| [13:06:48] | Seeker`: | justinh: why not have a credit card? |
| [13:06:48] | justinh: | likwid--_: not really |
| [13:06:55] | justinh: | Seeker`: because I don't need one |
| [13:07:06] | Seeker`: | clearly you do :P |
| [13:07:16] | Seeker`: | Surely its better to build up a good credit rating |
| [13:07:21] | justinh: | nah |
| [13:07:25] | justinh: | I don't care about that |
| [13:07:38] | justinh: | anyway I'm not getting one just to make work sending me away easier |
| [13:08:25] | justinh: | anyway, there's nothing wrong with my credit rating :) |
| [13:08:32] | Seeker`: | I know people that have always paid bills on time etc. but "didn't believe" in credit cards. Decided to buy a car and thought "rather than spending all our savings on it, we'll get a loan". But couldn't, because they didn't have any credit history |
| [13:08:51] | justinh: | I have a mortgage :) |
| [13:09:08] | Seeker`: | is that necessarily enough? |
| [13:09:12] | justinh: | I dunno |
| [13:09:20] | justinh: | not had to get any kind of credit for a while |
| [13:09:33] | justinh: | and I'm damned if I'm getting a card just for that |
| [13:09:37] | justinh: | and not having anything on it |
| [13:09:44] | Seeker`: | I've got a credit card that I put a couple of bills on each month |
| [13:09:50] | justinh: | which will likely be as 'bad' for me |
| [13:09:53] | Seeker`: | and then pay it off at the end of each month |
| [13:09:58] | justinh: | they can go to hell |
| [13:10:01] | justinh: | it's a game |
| [13:10:22] | Seeker`: | and stuff like my new backend computer was put on there |
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| [13:10:53] | Seeker`: | yeah, but its a pretty easy game to win at :P |
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| [13:13:21] | justinh: | I had a card years ago, but I was *useless* at paying it all off |
| [13:13:28] | justinh: | so, once I got square I got rid of it |
| [13:14:05] | Seeker`: | heh, direct debit from one account to another :P |
| [13:14:30] | justinh: | anyway – you're in the system now, slave |
| [13:14:33] | justinh: | I'm not :-) |
| [13:19:34] | likwid--_: | speaking of, time to pay mine |
| [13:19:36] | likwid--_: | thx for reminder |
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| [13:40:23] | justinh: | heh. hired the car myself on my debit card |
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| [14:02:51] | justinh: | well that's a bit stupid isn't it? create a blank file by right clicking in a dir within ubuntu & it's +x by default |
| [14:03:07] | Perdignus: | Howdy, Just curious, has jamu been removed in Trunk and replaced with something else? |
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| [14:11:03] | justinh: | Perdignus: it's all automagical now |
| [14:11:28] | Perdignus: | justinh: wunderbar, thanks |
| [14:11:30] | justinh: | grr who the hell invented the windows mobile UI? Do you want to scroll or select & open? Because it doesn't seem to know the difference |
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| [14:13:56] | Scopeuk: | justinh, do you not find similar problems with all touch based ui's? |
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| [14:16:27] | justinh: | Scopeuk: nope. android got it way more right |
| [14:16:58] | Scopeuk: | hmm interesting, i find most touch ui's are deliberately trying to waste my time |
| [14:17:12] | Scopeuk: | s/are/feel to be trying |
| [14:18:03] | ** Scopeuk feels old, i miss buttons ** | |
| [14:20:43] | justinh: | oh and BTW crucial.com have got a big sale on refurbed SSDs right now. £0.79 per GB apparently |
| [14:21:16] | justinh: | Scopeuk: well, you'd be better with android than windows mobile. I knew it was gonna suck but didn't imagine it'd suck this bad |
| [14:21:35] | Scopeuk: | justinh, nice will have a look |
| [14:21:46] | Scopeuk: | justinh, i'm still runing symbian s60 |
| [14:21:53] | sphery: | wagnerrp: no, I don't have any ideas how to match it to a recording rule. :( |
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| [14:51:57] | nooneami: | refurb SSD – hmm, wonder how lucky I feel. |
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| [14:53:12] | AnAnt: | Hello, is there a linux software like SkyGrabber ? |
| [14:57:44] | sphery: | MythTV fully supports DVB-S and DVB-S2, and can be used as a DVR to record shows based on listings of broadcasts |
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| [14:59:20] | AnAnt: | sphery: DVR ? |
| [14:59:26] | sphery: | digital video recorder |
| [15:00:13] | AnAnt: | SkyGrabber is more of a file transfer softwaare |
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| [15:05:41] | sphery: | don't know of anything like that--here we mainly know GNU/Linux DVR stuff, specifically about MythTV :) |
| [15:09:42] | Seeker`: | what is this "Mythtv" people keep talking about? |
| [15:09:43] | Seeker`: | :P |
| [15:09:52] | devinheitmueller: | +1 for preventing stuff from getting into the kernel which breaks everybody's tuners! https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/1093422/ |
| [15:10:30] | ** devinheitmueller pats self on back... ** | |
| [15:10:37] | Seeker`: | \o/ |
| [15:11:52] | sphery: | nice work |
| [15:12:00] | ** Seeker` gives devinheitmueller a cookie ** | |
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| [15:18:49] | justinh: | sigh. still not heard from the contact guy in Sweden yet |
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| [15:23:46] | NickHu: | Hey ev'rybody! :D |
| [15:24:00] | NickHu: | By the way, devinheitmueller, with the active eit scan, you were dead on |
| [15:24:08] | devinheitmueller: | NickHu: Oh? |
| [15:24:12] | devinheitmueller: | That's good news. |
| [15:24:17] | NickHu: | Yeah :) |
| [15:24:32] | NickHu: | But I'm not exactly sure what that option does; by disabling it do I lose EIT? |
| [15:24:36] | devinheitmueller: | Wait a second. That suggests the mythtv core is somehow broken if it's attempting to tune while a scan is in progress... |
| [15:24:48] | devinheitmueller: | It should have either stopped doing EIT, or informed you that the tuner was unavailable. |
| [15:25:55] | NickHu: | Meh, I guess it looks like that |
| [15:26:12] | NickHu: | But then again arch linux in general has always been "quirky", you kinda get used to it |
| [15:26:37] | NickHu: | So what does the "Active EIT scan" option do? |
| [15:27:17] | devinheitmueller: | NickHu: I'm in the USA and nobody uses EIT here, so I am probably not the best person to ask. |
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| [15:28:55] | NickHu: | Google says Active EIT scan is what grabs listings for everything, rather than just what's queried... |
| [15:29:03] | NickHu: | Would make more sense if it were called passive scan to me.. |
| [15:31:54] | devinheitmueller: | I won't dare speculate. Given the time of day though, I imagine there are probably others from Europe on the channel. Would be good for them to chime in if they know anything... |
| [15:32:45] | laga: | NickHu: active EIT scan is "active" in the sense that it actively switches transponders/channels to collect new data |
| [15:32:59] | laga: | with "passive EIT scan" being opportunistic and only recording data from the currently tuned channel |
| [15:34:00] | NickHu: | Yeah, I understand the reasoning, but I guess it depends on which point you want to look at it from; for example, one could interpret active as what you are actively doing (i.e. actively watching tv/recording on a channel) |
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| [15:36:19] | laga: | is there a real problem somewhere or where you just having problems with the nomenclature? |
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| [15:37:52] | NickHu: | laga: Active EIT scan breaks my myth set up |
| [15:38:01] | NickHu: | I was just wondering what it actually does |
| [15:38:50] | laga: | ah |
| [15:38:53] | NickHu: | How do you back up the myth db? |
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| [15:45:15] | dekarl: | devinheitmueller: got a hint for me where to start searching for the cause of "irq 17: nobody cared" http://pastebin.com/Q88vqjvt |
| [15:45:47] | devinheitmueller: | Hmm, unfortunately I don't think I have *any* experience with the saa7146. |
| [15:46:12] | dekarl: | ahh ok, was worth a try. I'll try to find what triggers it |
| [15:46:14] | devinheitmueller: | What board is this? |
| [15:46:52] | devinheitmueller: | On some saa7134 boards, IRQ 17 was used for IR receive. You may wish to see if there is any IR support specified for the card. |
| [15:46:56] | devinheitmueller: | (if I recall) |
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| [15:55:19] | dekarl: | It's a TechnoTrend C-1501 (unless I'm reading the routing wrong) |
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| [16:20:28] | dashs: | mythbuntu 0.24 – iec958 audio does not work from frontend, fine from system — do I need an .asoundrc file ? also frontend resamples to 32k, wassup with that? |
| [16:44:12] | sphery: | NickHu: for backup I recommend (with bias) http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore |
| [16:44:38] | sphery: | generally, section 2, quick start is enough to get you going |
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| [16:45:38] | sphery: | and was the active eit thing due to driver issues that devinheitmueller had previously mentioned as possibly being a problem? |
| [16:48:03] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: I don't think his problem was the DVB core bug. Seems that for some reason EIT keeps running even when he attempts to enter Live TV mode. |
| [16:48:26] | sphery: | ah, ok |
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| [16:49:19] | sphery: | I wouldn't be surprised if there are issues with eit running when it's not supposed to--EIT hasn't had much TLC lately |
| [16:49:26] | sphery: | er, EIT code |
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| [17:16:49] | wagnerrp: | likwid--_: you misunderstand |
| [17:17:11] | likwid--_: | orly? |
| [17:17:13] | wagnerrp: | storage groups are a means of managing storage, not a way to control how stuff is displayed in mythtv |
| [17:17:23] | likwid--_: | right thats what i was getting at it didnt make sense to me |
| [17:17:40] | wagnerrp: | content from multiple storage groups is merged into a single view in mythvideo |
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| [17:18:03] | likwid--_: | ah i c.. so im basically wanting changes to mythvideo. |
| [17:18:27] | wagnerrp: | those changes wont be made to mythvideo |
| [17:18:36] | likwid--_: | theme? |
| [17:19:19] | wagnerrp: | to do what you want, just make a 'Bond' folder underneath the root of the storage group to put all those movies in |
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| [17:20:13] | likwid--_: | ok. i could manually change the titles too so in alpahbetical order they are all grouped. |
| [17:20:29] | likwid--_: | seems stupiy. anyways thats not the largest of my latest problems, was more curious :) |
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| [17:21:09] | likwid--_: | you know how crt monitors allowed you to always zoom in/zoom out to better line up the picture with the edges of the monitor? i need to do that same type of thing on my tv |
| [17:21:40] | likwid--_: | half of the X "start bar" is off the screen and some of the bottom is missing |
| [17:21:51] | likwid--_: | i cant seem to do that from the tv's menu's |
| [17:22:04] | wagnerrp: | use the 'screen setup wizard' in the frontend settings |
| [17:22:22] | likwid--_: | this is even when frontend is not running |
| [17:22:44] | wagnerrp: | nvidia card? |
| [17:22:47] | likwid--_: | yea |
| [17:23:00] | wagnerrp: | nvidia graphics drivers have a utility for managing overscan |
| [17:23:20] | likwid--_: | ooo. illl go play |
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| [17:54:10] | likwid--_: | woo. that fixed it. im guessing theres another setting i havent seen to make the frontend completely take up the whole screen and get rid of the start bar at the top |
| [17:55:54] | Scopeuk: | likwid--_, distro? |
| [17:56:04] | wagnerrp: | likwid--_: sounds like compiz |
| [17:56:16] | Scopeuk: | likwid--_, you have to turn on legacy fullscreen compatability in compiz if its installed |
| [17:56:38] | likwid--_: | ok. its mythbuntu |
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| [17:57:05] | likwid--_: | ill check compiz. otherwise things are coming together. once you actually get content in (especially in arclight) things look much better |
| [17:57:15] | likwid--_: | content+artwork |
| [18:02:39] | likwid--_: | otherwise its just giant screens of blue pixelated background. |
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| [18:23:04] | likwid--_: | hrmph. compiz isnt installed from what i can tell. it wants to install it when i try to use compiz settings |
| [18:23:11] | likwid--_: | so do i need to install it so i can enable that workaround? |
| [18:26:13] | tgm4883: | likwid--_, no |
| [18:26:26] | tgm4883: | if you don't have compiz installed, then that isn't the right bug |
| [18:27:24] | tgm4883: | I'm assuming you have checked that the frontend is set to fullscreen |
| [18:27:38] | tgm4883: | and that a 'dpkg -l compiz' actually says it is uninstalled |
| [18:29:11] | likwid--_: | yea i checked that.. No packages found matching compiz.. ill see was else is goin on |
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| [18:31:37] | Seeker`: | I'm getting the following error in my frontend log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/675431/ running on a pc named "htpc". My backend is running on a remote machine called "mediaserv" |
| [18:33:30] | Seeker`: | (I even checked that I didn't mistype and end up with a link to porn this time :P) |
| [18:36:30] | Seeker`: | When I try to watch live TV, the log just fills up with the error message, and is stuck on "partial lock" (_L__) |
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| [19:03:19] | Seeker`: | oh, and there isn't anything in the backend log which indicates something else is stopping it tuning, it looks like it is waiting on whatever the frontend is hanging on to complete |
| [19:04:50] | Seeker`: | and the file it is looking for is present on the backend |
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| [19:11:33] | Seeker`: | any ideas at all? |
| [19:12:14] | likwid--_: | whats the permissions on the file |
| [19:12:19] | iamlindoro: | Is the file actually filling up? If so, the issue is with the stream itself |
| [19:12:23] | iamlindoro: | The permissions are not relevant |
| [19:12:33] | iamlindoro: | The backend is writing it, meaning it has permissions ot read it and stream it |
| [19:13:05] | Seeker`: | the file is present on the backend |
| [19:13:13] | Seeker`: | (the .jpg file) |
| [19:13:20] | iamlindoro: | I didn't ask if it was present-- I asked if it was filling up |
| [19:13:22] | iamlindoro: | Forget the jpg |
| [19:13:26] | iamlindoro: | I'm asking about the recording |
| [19:13:37] | iamlindoro: | the icon message is irrelevant |
| [19:13:57] | Seeker`: | there was a recording scheduled to happen 40 mins ago; It doesn't look like it tuned properly, but got about 88MB of data |
| [19:14:09] | Seeker`: | which doesn't seem enough for a 36 min recording :P |
| [19:14:12] | iamlindoro: | "L" with nothing else means the channel itself has locked on the tuner. The next step would be opening the file for writing and writing it out to disk |
| [19:14:42] | iamlindoro: | Right, so there's something wrong with a) the tuner, b) your channels (possibly requiring a rescan), or c) the stream from the channels |
| [19:14:46] | iamlindoro: | my money would be on "B" |
| [19:14:53] | iamlindoro: | and after that, A" |
| [19:15:26] | Seeker`: | it did this last night too, and a reboot fixed it. |
| [19:15:39] | iamlindoro: | Then it's almost certainly a tuner or tuner driver issue |
| [19:15:41] | Seeker`: | Kinda want to get to the root cause rather than just rebooting again |
| [19:15:57] | iamlindoro: | If it took a reboot to fix,. and myth isn't reporting errors, then it's not a myth problem |
| [19:16:08] | iamlindoro: | Myth won't report errors when the driver doesn't report errors |
| [19:16:21] | iamlindoro: | if the driver doesn't report errors, there is something wrong with it, or with the hardware |
| [19:16:33] | iamlindoro: | because as far as myth knows, everything is hunky dory, and this is just a very very low bitrate file |
| [19:16:54] | Seeker`: | will see if rebooting again fixes it |
| [19:18:49] | Seeker`: | mmm, reboot fixed it again |
| [19:18:57] | iamlindoro: | Basically, myth is a very very fancy frontend to information and data passed to it by the V4L-DVB API and drivers. If the driver reports an error, we act on it. If the driver reports nothing, we assume everything is fine. Even when the channels scanned are no longer functional, we at least say something about it |
| [19:19:23] | iamlindoro: | So the fact that everything is just sitting there acting as though everything is fine, and the fact that a reboot fixes it, pretty much confirms a driver or hardware issue |
| [19:20:00] | Seeker`: | well, its a nova-t 500, so I would have thought that the drivers would be relatively stable as it seems to be a widely used card |
| [19:20:23] | iamlindoro: | Widely used cards (and driver which used to be awesome and stable) break with new kernals all the time, sadly |
| [19:20:29] | iamlindoro: | er kernels |
| [19:20:34] | iamlindoro: | my spelling is atrocious today |
| [19:20:55] | iamlindoro: | Someone "cleans things up" and breaks half the DVB drivers for an entire kernel release |
| [19:20:56] | Seeker`: | you managed to get "atrocious" though :P |
| [19:21:06] | iamlindoro: | For some reason it seems to happen a lot more often these days |
| [19:21:06] | Seeker`: | yeah, saw that thread earlier |
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| [19:21:27] | iamlindoro: | poor guys like devinheitmueller are left holding the bag |
| [19:21:39] | iamlindoro: | and then spend tons of their own time fixing the fixes |
| [19:21:53] | devinheitmueller: | Seeker`: anything in the dmesg output? |
| [19:22:14] | devinheitmueller: | Also, what kernel are you running? There was some breakage for that board introduced in 3.0, and there are patches pending for 3.1 that fix them (if I recall) |
| [19:23:06] | Seeker`: | err, whatever mythbuntu uses. I've restarted the machine now, so I'll take a look at dmesg next time it happens |
| [19:23:19] | devinheitmueller: | Which mythbuntu? |
| [19:23:30] | devinheitmueller: | Run "uname -a" |
| [19:23:32] | Seeker`: | Linux mediaserv 2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 11 03:31:24 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| [19:23:59] | devinheitmueller: | Hmm, yeah, check dmesg then. You shouldn't have the breakage introduced in 3.0, but there could be other stuff going on. |
| [19:24:07] | devinheitmueller: | Also, you know the Nova-T cannot survive a soft-reboot, right? |
| [19:24:23] | devinheitmueller: | If you need to reboot, you need to power off the system, then power it back on. |
| [19:24:25] | iamlindoro: | It likes it hard |
| [19:24:33] | devinheitmueller: | Uh. |
| [19:24:53] | Seeker`: | I did "sudo reboot". Seems to have fixed it :) |
| [19:25:06] | iamlindoro: | That would be a soft reboot |
| [19:25:17] | devinheitmueller: | Running "reboot" is bad. There is a high probability that one tuner or the other is screwed up. |
| [19:25:23] | devinheitmueller: | (not necessarily always the same tuner) |
| [19:25:43] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: Screwed up in a fashion that could cause the issue he's seeing? |
| [19:25:49] | iamlindoro: | Lock but no/broken stream? |
| [19:25:54] | devinheitmueller: | hard to say without seeing the dmesg output. |
| [19:26:37] | devinheitmueller: | Also, I don't know what patches Ubuntu may have backported into their stable kernel. |
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| [19:27:18] | Seeker`: | Last night I did a proper power off when I rebooted to fix the problem |
| [19:28:21] | Seeker`: | just tried manually switching tuners on livetv, both seems to be working correctly |
| [19:28:39] | devinheitmueller: | Also, I don't think that board handles suspend/resume properly, so you are likely to see issues there as well if you let the system go to sleep. |
| [19:28:57] | Seeker`: | i haven#t set it up to go to sleep |
| [19:29:08] | devinheitmueller: | Bear in mind the soft-reboot doesn't guarantee failure. It's just a matter of chance. |
| [19:29:34] | devinheitmueller: | Your PC will likely go to sleep by default unless you have specifically taken action to set it up to *not* go to sleep. |
| [19:30:00] | iamlindoro: | Seeker`: Remember, just because it's momentarily okay doesn't mean that it's ok on an ongoing basis-- I would take devinheitmueller's work and perform a hard reboot if you care about anything scheduled to record |
| [19:30:10] | iamlindoro: | then at least you will have eliminated that as a source of issues |
| [19:30:27] | iamlindoro: | versus coming back the next time and us just having to say, "Well, you didn't do a hard reboot..." and start you over again |
| [19:30:55] | iamlindoro: | s/work/word/ |
| [19:30:58] | Seeker`: | k, doing a hard reboot |
| [19:31:56] | Seeker`: | devinheitmueller: before I removed the monitor I had it running for a few days without ever having to wake it up from more than screen blanking |
| [19:36:48] | devinheitmueller: | I probably wouldn't want to speculate any further until I saw the dmesg output from when the problem occurs. |
| [19:39:12] | Seeker`: | yeah, I'll post some more info as/when it happens again |
| [19:39:19] | Seeker`: | thanks for your help + time |
| [19:40:30] | devinheitmueller: | np |
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| [20:13:09] | justinh: | wha? linux machines go to sleep unless you tell them not to? :-O |
| [20:14:55] | justinh: | prolly a good job I told mine to never sleep |
| [20:16:03] | justinh: | btw maybe too early to say for certain but installing the debug symbol stuff for the mythtv packages upgraded other stuff.. and I didn't see the deadlock at the 'usual' time today |
| [20:16:18] | justinh: | other stuff meaning libc & things |
| [20:17:03] | justinh: | now I have libc6-i686 (2.11.1–0ubuntu7.2, 2.11.1–0ubuntu7.8) |
| [20:20:22] | justinh: | iamlindoro: btw I had a good one on one with the videometadata editor the last couple of days. great stuff there |
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| [20:56:58] | iamlindoro: | justinh: Heh, which parts? I think there's too much going on that screen, but glad that you like it |
| [21:00:08] | justinh: | it's been er.. 'fun' to theme but it's just dripping with usefulness |
| [21:00:39] | justinh: | inheritance has made life much easier though. much, much easier |
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| [21:06:15] | justinh: | oh yeah that reminds me.. I have a 'Please Wai..." to tackle |
| [21:06:27] | justinh: | woohoohahahaha |
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| [21:09:27] | justinh: | ahhhhhhhhhhhh that's better. |
| [21:10:02] | justinh: | and I just thought "oo, I know I'll let everybody benefit from this improvement – I'll just slip in a quick commit...... DOH" |
| [21:10:45] | justinh: | I miss svn. diffing was so easy |
| [21:11:06] | Beirdo: | frick |
| [21:11:23] | Beirdo: | looks like I need to re-upload Another Day in Paradise to google music |
| [21:11:32] | Beirdo: | it gacks out with 1min left |
| [21:11:41] | justinh: | I'd upload it to /dev/null personally |
| [21:12:01] | justinh: | not one of the baldy man's best works |
| [21:12:01] | Beirdo: | diffing is as easy if not easier in git :) |
| [21:12:15] | justinh: | Beirdo: anything may be easier if you know how |
| [21:12:39] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:12:42] | justinh: | I only want to change one line in default-wide/base.xml |
| [21:12:43] | Beirdo: | there is that |
| [21:12:48] | Beirdo: | so change it |
| [21:12:53] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [21:13:12] | justinh: | I have.. but it'd benefit peeps if I submit the change back |
| [21:13:19] | Beirdo: | then do a git diff to see what you changed |
| [21:13:40] | justinh: | but I don't use git really |
| [21:13:42] | Beirdo: | if it looks right, then git commit -a |
| [21:13:48] | Beirdo: | then git push |
| [21:13:50] | justinh: | I have a git clone |
| [21:13:52] | Beirdo: | basically |
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| [21:14:03] | justinh: | meh. I'll send a patch |
| [21:14:29] | Beirdo: | if you want. :) |
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| [21:14:43] | Beirdo: | but it really isn't that much different in basic use |
| [21:15:11] | justinh: | plus I don't think I have commit access anymore. well I say that, but I wouldn't be surprised if I was left out in the changes |
| [21:15:30] | justinh: | no big deal.. it's not gonna stop me doing odd bits again |
| [21:15:35] | Beirdo: | if it's more comfortable to send a patch while learning git, no biggie |
| [21:15:53] | Beirdo: | heh, that could be too |
| [21:17:18] | justinh: | how long ago was my last commit? heh |
| [21:17:25] | justinh: | LONG time ago |
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| [21:21:09] | k-man: | justinh, what's the change your making? |
| [21:21:41] | justinh: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/10009/ |
| [21:21:53] | justinh: | just widening the textarea of the default-wide video window |
| [21:22:15] | justinh: | it was getting cut 'down' to 'please wai...' from 'please wait...' |
| [21:22:50] | justinh: | it's bugged me for *ages* |
| [21:23:06] | justinh: | I finally got round to putting it in my own theme just now, and put it right |
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| [21:24:40] | k-man: | cool |
| [21:25:20] | justinh: | I'll probably think of something more interesting to do with that screen |
| [21:25:44] | justinh: | not *too* interesting though.. it's not seen for very long |
| [21:25:50] | justinh: | BOOBS! |
| [21:26:09] | justinh: | haha yeah.. have fun with your mrs... |
| [21:26:37] | justinh: | make the background an image folder – whereby myth will choose a random image from several plain black ones... and one with BOOBS |
| [21:27:26] | justinh: | note – won't work on my wife. she knows who makes the theme around here |
| [21:29:07] | justinh: | see I *knew* there had to be a better use for the random image stuff :-) |
| [21:29:08] | RobertLaptop: | I know I have done this in the past but it doesn't seem to be working. I added some channels into schedulesdirect and then tried to add the channels into mythtv .24 using mytvfilldabase but it doesn't seem to be working. Any one have any idea's how to do that? |
| [21:29:34] | justinh: | fetch channels from listings provider my man, fetch channels from listings provider |
| [21:29:41] | justinh: | it's in mythtv-setup |
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| [21:30:31] | justinh: | oh god I'm gonna reboot into linux so I can gawp at my analogue clock widget emblazoned all over mythfrontend |
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| [21:31:30] | justinh: | or not. it's late & I might become upset that I may never see it go into the source |
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| [22:58:44] | marsilainen: | hi all |
| [22:58:52] | marsilainen: | just installing my first mythtv system... |
| [22:59:27] | marsilainen: | the osd overlays (eg. when I change channel) seem to judder quite a bit whenever there is moving video behind them |
| [22:59:29] | marsilainen: | is that normal |
| [22:59:43] | sphery: | what type of video card are you using? |
| [22:59:55] | marsilainen: | nvidia |
| [23:00:17] | marsilainen: | nvidia gt425m |
| [23:00:29] | marsilainen: | and this is a mythbuntu install |
| [23:00:30] | sphery: | and which playback profile group have you selected (mythfrontend Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings|Playback, 3rd screen)... |
| [23:01:03] | sphery: | You should choose either Slim (for all software decode and display) or one of the VDPAU profiles (for hardware decoding/display in the GPU) |
| [23:01:32] | marsilainen: | I'm using "CPU+" (the default) |
| [23:01:37] | sphery: | yeah, definitely don't use that |
| [23:01:44] | marsilainen: | which is best? |
| [23:01:44] | sphery: | Try VDPAU Slim to start with |
| [23:01:49] | marsilainen: | ok |
| [23:02:08] | sphery: | if that works, work your way up through Normal and High Quality and drop back if your system can't keep up with one |
| [23:02:42] | marsilainen: | ah, yes, instantly better |
| [23:02:45] | marsilainen: | thanks |
| [23:02:49] | sphery: | cool |
| [23:02:59] | marsilainen: | can you explain briefly what I've done? :) |
| [23:03:10] | Seeker`: | offloaded decoding to the video card |
| [23:03:14] | marsilainen: | ie. what do I lose by switching from CPU+ to VDPAU slim? |
| [23:03:15] | marsilainen: | ok |
| [23:03:17] | sphery: | yeah, we've actually removed the CPU+, CPU++ and CPU-- profiles from our development version because they're so broken |
| [23:03:26] | sphery: | you lose a broken mythtv and gain a working one? |
| [23:03:27] | sphery: | :) |
| [23:03:29] | marsilainen: | hah |
| [23:03:34] | sphery: | CPU+ is broken garbage |
| [23:03:41] | sphery: | it's 1990-style video decode |
| [23:04:12] | marsilainen: | so does Normal give something over Slim? |
| [23:04:19] | marsilainen: | in terms of effects or something? |
| [23:04:34] | sphery: | mainly Normal and High Quality are increasing the amount of processing done for deinterlacing |
| [23:04:48] | marsilainen: | done by the CPU or the GPU? |
| [23:05:07] | sphery: | so play back an interlaced recording (i.e. from NBC or CBS or PBS or whatever is appropriate for your country) and test it with Normal and High Quality |
| [23:05:30] | marsilainen: | ok, I'll have to figure out what that might be in the UK |
| [23:05:44] | Seeker`: | any normal broadcast TV |
| [23:05:44] | sphery: | the VDPAU ones do it on the (VDPAU-compatible NVIDIA) GPU (using VDPAU-compatible NVIDIA proprietary drivers) |
| [23:06:53] | Seeker`: | bah, I wish the 3d drivers for some of the atom chips were better, they'd be quite capable if they were |
| [23:08:24] | marsilainen: | ok, well thanks for the help I shall continue to play |
| [23:08:25] | marsilainen: | so far so good |
| [23:08:38] | marsilainen: | took me a little bit to get audio through HDMI working |
| [23:08:48] | marsilainen: | but apart from that it's been quite smooth |
| [23:09:17] | sphery: | heh, yeah, hdmi loves to make things more difficult--but you only have to plug in one cable, so it must be worth it ;) |
| [23:09:58] | marsilainen: | hehe |
| [23:10:42] | marsilainen: | yeah, for me it was just a case of figuring out the right "sp/dif" device to use (it gave me a choice of 4 and happened to be the second one for whatever reason) |
| [23:11:07] | Seeker`: | I haven't managed to get anything other than mythtv to be able to output sound over hdmi yet |
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| [23:54:10] | iamlindoro: | sphery: In unstable/development, you can also edit the description, inetref, season, and episode. |
| [23:54:26] | iamlindoro: | FWIW ;) |
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| [23:55:44] | iamlindoro: | sphery: I think it's hilarious how when the guy wanted to do the insane Netflix Stream->Capture->Stream->Watch thing, and you said not to, everyone came to his aid and lost their marbles... and now that he's come back and realized it won't work, the same guys who defended him are losing their marbles on *him* :) |
| [23:57:07] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [23:57:30] | sphery: | and didn't notice the inetref/season/episode stuff in unstable--makes sense, though |
| [23:57:54] | sphery: | I'll just pretend that I knew it and left them out because he only asked about title/subtitle/description stuff |
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| [23:58:18] | Seeker`: | sphery: yeah, noone saw this conversation ;) |
| [23:59:57] | sphery: | shhh, someone might notice it, now |
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