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Monday, August 22nd, 2011, 00:05 UTC

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frodo:

I am running a Mythbuntu setup. I've only ever run mythfront end on the same computer as the backend. I'd like to now hookup different computers to the backend However when I change the Backend IP I loose connection to the database. I believe I need to "reassign" the IP to the database as well... Is this correct, can anyone offer some help?

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[R]:

you needt o set the external ips in the db with mythtv-setup

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frodo:

Okay... Is this done in a different location then the "General" section of the Mythtv Backend configuration?

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frodo:

'm currently using the loop back address 127.0.0.1... When I change this to match the computer IP I loose connection to the database...?

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[R]:

you need to set the permissions in the db probably

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[R]:

what doest the log say

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frodo:

Yes... I think that is what I'm missing the DB setup...

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frodo:

Unfortunately I'm unsure how to check the log... Let me run a search.

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[R]:

its hte output from when you run the command

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bruderbell:

.

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bruderbell:

Does anyone know in which log I can look for hints as to why my custom userjob doesn't run?

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wagnerrp:

you defined it but didnt enable it in mythtv-setup

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bruderbell:

hmmm

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bruderbell:

Roger that. I shall check

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bruderbell:

is that the backend setup?

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bruderbell:

wagnerrp: you never cease to amaze.

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wagnerrp:

nope, i simply remember what i had to fix in the past

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bruderbell:

Are you a contributor to mythtv code? It seems you understand it very well

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oopepe:

wagnerrp: After i altered the screenshots for videos what do i need to do for them to show up in mythfrontend in the video section?

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wagnerrp:

bruderbell: yes, and im actually in the progress of rewriting the whole jobqueue

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wagnerrp:

oopepe: make sure you hit 'update()' on the Video object to push your changes to the databse

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wagnerrp:

besides that, they should show up as soon as you back out of mythvideo, and enter back in

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k-man:

gah – I call tech support at TP Link because the wireless on this router is flakey

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k-man:

and they are like , who is your ISP?

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k-man:

I'm like, it's a wireless issue, how is that related to my ISP?

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k-man:

and she was like, it's on the form we have to fill out

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

i once called cox to ask about firewire

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[R]:

and she was like "firewall? let me transfer you"

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bruderbell:

Looking for help to get a user job setup to transcode with mobile devices in mind

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bruderbell:

Anyone familiar with mythipod.sh?

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wagnerrp:

bruderbell: you may want to check out mythexport

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wagnerrp:

looks like mythipod.sh just generates an mp4 along side the recording

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wagnerrp:

should work fine

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wagnerrp:

but there is no capability in mythtv to facilitate transfer to the ipod

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wagnerrp:

bah!

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wagnerrp:

my mail server changed IPs during the power outage

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wagnerrp:

im offline for 20 minutes, and the ISP cycles my address

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skd5aner:

2 years – no power outages... then, in the last 4 months – 10+

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** skd5aner sighs **

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wagnerrp:

this one was storm induced

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skd5aner:

I'm talking about my own

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bruderbell:

So perhaps my goals are lofty, but I'm trying to get my mythbackend to be able to serve up content to mobile devices over the web. I'd thought mythipod.sh would be a good starting point. Anyone have experience trying such tom-foolery?

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skd5aner:

yes, mythweb already has a built in POC flash player

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bruderbell:

indeed. I've got that running and it works well enough, but now I'm trying to take that to the next level

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skd5aner:

you could simply use that if your device supports flash

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bruderbell:

I'm android, so it does, but I'd like to be able to stream it directly to the device to a media player like arcmedia

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skd5aner:

bruderbell: I've seen a ton of different things over the years pop up on the mailing list, but I'm not really familiar with any of them

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skd5aner:

all of them involve some form of script that either does transcoding via batch or on-the-fly

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bruderbell:

I'd love it to be on the fly, like the mythweb flash player

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wagnerrp:

bruderbell: early on in the development of 0.26, we are expecting a huge internal schema rewrite

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wagnerrp:

which would alter how recordings and videos are stored

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wagnerrp:

allowing multiple different versions of the videos to be stored

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wagnerrp:

at that point, it would be fairly trivial to set up jobs to convert videos to multiple different formats

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wagnerrp:

and an interface to allow streaming of different profiles through mythweb

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skd5aner:

does anyone here use a dynamic DNS system?

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wagnerrp:

as in something like dyndns.org? or something where a dhcp server updates a dns server?

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skd5aner:

I've been using EveryDNS forever (which was free), but they got bought by DynDNS (which is not)

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wagnerrp:

sure it is

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skd5aner:

I'm talking as a DNS service for a domain name I own, not a subdomain name

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skd5aner:

which I think is what their "free" offering is

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wagnerrp:

so are you looking for something that will let you programmatically update your address? or just one with a short TTL?

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skd5aner:

"yes"

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skd5aner:

:)

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skd5aner:

primarily, the first

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skd5aner:

but, in general, I'd need someone to manage the A records for a few different domains, and allow me to programatically update the records based on a dynamic address

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skd5aner:

hmmmm – https://dns.he.net/

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oopepe:

If i do a MythVideo.scanStorageGroups via python bindings, is the newly discovered content automatically added to the internal video database or should one add those videos inside the newvids variable?

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wagnerrp:

in 0.23 and 0.24, the objects returned are not added to the database

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wagnerrp:

you are expected to make whatever changes you see fit, and run create()

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wagnerrp:

in 0.25, the scan is performed by the backend

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oopepe:

Id like to update the video library automatically. Is there maybe a myth tool for that?

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wagnerrp:

and the method simply responds with what was already done

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wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Myth_video_scan.py is a basic implementation of that tool

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wagnerrp:

or you can go with the much more complex JAMU

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oopepe:

The Myth_video_scan seems to do exactly what i want. Thanks again.

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ShapeShifter__:

Hmmm.... Error 139 on frontend crash. Any culprits?

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wagnerrp:

segfault

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ShapeShifter__:

Ran MemTest cleanly for a day before I rolled MythTV on this system

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ShapeShifter__:

Nothing else is crashing...

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wagnerrp:

segfaults result in core dumps

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wagnerrp:

core dumps tell you where the segfault happened

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ShapeShifter__:

Is there a good core dump file reader for Linux? I've used BlueScreen for Windows before but honestly never had any problems looking at core files for any Linux boxes so I'm a newbie there...

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wagnerrp:

gdb

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ShapeShifter__:

I did a "find / -name "core" -ls". Which core directory / file do you pop in the debugger? There's about 20–25 directories named "core".

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ShapeShifter__:

/proc/sys/net/core ?

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wagnerrp:

what file crashed?

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ShapeShifter__:

Don't know. Front-end gave the error 139 as mentioned. I'm assuming it's the MythTV frontend...

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wagnerrp:

i mean, where did you see that error

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wagnerrp:

that is an internal value

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wagnerrp:

meaning you would have only found it from one mythtv application calling another

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wagnerrp:

for example, the jobqueue calling mythcommflag

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ShapeShifter__:

As MythTV frontend was restarting it gave that error number....

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wagnerrp:

but what gave that number?

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wagnerrp:

thats the error code during termination

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wagnerrp:

something else would have had to handle that error code and print it out for you to see it

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ShapeShifter__:

MythTV frontend gave that error number – showed right on the screen as it re-started...

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wagnerrp:

mythfrontend doesnt restart itself

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iamlindoro:

Nor does it ever display error codes

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bruderbell:

So I was just debugging a custom script for a userjob, and I deleted my mythbackend.log. I recreated one, and gave ownership back to my default user on the machine, and otherwise made permissions match what they are for mythfrontend.log. But I'm not getting a log. Any ideas?

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wagnerrp:

and for that matter, when an application segfaults, it is dead

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wagnerrp:

there is no way for it to restart itself

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ShapeShifter__:

Well, then I guess I'm a lucky guy...

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ShapeShifter__:

?

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wagnerrp:

are you talking about mythbuntu?

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wagnerrp:

where 'mythfrontend' is actually a wrapper script, that calls 'mythfrontend.real'?

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wagnerrp:

in which case that wrapper script would be printing out the error code

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ShapeShifter__:

I am booting Mythbuntu as my base Linux distro...

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wagnerrp:

then it would be 'gdb mythfrontend.real mythfrontend.real.core

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: ISTR Ubuntu disabling cores by default

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wagnerrp:

however i believe mythbuntu actually has their own utility that automatically generates the needed backtrace and spawns a ticket

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iamlindoro:

meaning it's likely he'd need to enable them

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iamlindoro:

and moreover, they're not a debug build, so likely a pretty unhelpful BT

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ShapeShifter__:

Maybe I should just re-boot. I've been doing lots of channel editing here. Perhaps a re-boot is my best best....

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wagnerrp:

there is that too, the backtrace wont say much unless you install the separate package containing the debugging symbols

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wagnerrp:

reboot is talk for a windows user

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wagnerrp:

there is very little you can do to a linux system for which a reboot will help

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bruderbell:

Disregard. I just had to restart the backend process and it is back logging

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skd5aner:

ShapeShifter__: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: I could be wrong, but I thought mythbuntu built with profile – I could be thinking of a different distro though

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: I believe you are, mythbuntu backtraces need to be reassembled against their debug packages by their custom tools to be of any use

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iamlindoro:

Though things might have changed since last I investigated that

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skd5aner:

hrmmm... I'm sure that you're correct

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_abbenormal:

hey guys

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orificium:

anyone aware of any quick fixes for no sound in flash in either firefox or chrome after but I get sound through rhythmbox, mythtv, etc. I've tried different versions of flash, the open source flash players, different versions of firefox – and I believe it happened after upgrading to mythbuntu 10.04

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orificium:

I've tried various fixes mentioned in threads with no luck

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[R]:

orificium: sounds like somethign that has absoutely nothing to do with mythtv

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orificium:

hah – yeah I know. I guses I should try a different channel.

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NewBuntu81:

Hi all. I'm getting an error that my SQL database needs to be fixed. However, the optimize command is no longer on my box. Any thoughts? "!!NoTrans: SQL Error: Table './mythconverg/recordedmarkup' is marked as crashed and should be repaired [#145]!!"

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wagnerrp:

mysqlcheck

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sphery:

Or, https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/fixes%2 . . . ze_mythdb.pl

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sphery:

(download at https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/raw/master/m . . . ze_mythdb.pl )

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** wagnerrp wonders when mythbackend will just do all this stuff for us **

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sphery:

heh, the raw link is a master link--maybe because it hasn't been modified since before 0.24-fixes?

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wagnerrp:

very possible

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NewBuntu81:

thanks. How do I make it executable? I believe it is a chmod command

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sphery:

chmod a+x optimize_mythdb.pl

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sphery:

or just use: perl optimize_mythdb.pl

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NewBuntu81:

thanks sphery!

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ShapeShifter_:

xkill is handy for hung front-ends...

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NewBuntu81:

ok, what do you do if you have deleted recordings but they still show up in Recorded Programs? I ran the database optimizer, they showed up. I deleted the "link" (recording) in recorded programs, then reran the optimizer and it shows up again.

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wagnerrp:

ShapeShifter_: as opposed to kill or killall?

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sphery:

NewBuntu81: you mean: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . t_on_disk.3F

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ShapeShifter_:

I have now finished editing the xmltvid's for my MythTV backend. Running mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates... This is starting to actually look interesting...

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ShapeShifter_:

Only XMLTV id's I couldn't find on-line were the Cox Guide and TV Guide. Who needs that right?...

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ShapeShifter_:

Does SchedulesDirect take a while to update their records. It says "2011-08–21 21:23:34.948 DataDirect: Your subscription expires on Sat Aug 25 (2012) 11:50 PM" in the mythfilldatabase terminal window even though I paid my $20 for the subscription that hooks into MythTV...

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wagnerrp:

so whats the problem?

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wagnerrp:

i see nothing wrong with that message there

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NewBuntu81:

Hmm, weird. I tried deleting the orphans using find_orphans.py. It made the changes in the frontend, but not when I view the "recorded programs" in mythweb. And now I can't manually go remove the shows in the frontend--which did fix it in MythWeb. Any thoughts? See http://pastebin.com/sRCbiEjt

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ShapeShifter_:

No problem. Everything back to normal after I re-booted. (Probably just something with the HD Homerun. Powered that down and up, too. )

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ShapeShifter_:

Just afraid they were going to take away my subscription after I paid for it a few days ago. I guess I'll find out when I do a mythfilldatabase command on the 26th.

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wagnerrp:

"Your subscription expires on Sat Aug 25 (2012) 11:50 PM"

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wagnerrp:

read that, very carefully

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wagnerrp:

take in every word, letter by letter

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ShapeShifter_:

Yeah, I know, my calendar says August 25th is a Thursday, too...

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ShapeShifter_:

But I used the middle button paste tactic like the good student you taught me to be...

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ShapeShifter_:

:-)

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wagnerrp:

and reading comprehension?

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wagnerrp:

:P

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NewBuntu81:

20 TWELVE

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ShapeShifter_:

Ahhh... 2012. My bad...

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ShapeShifter_:

That's why I don't program anything for a living.

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k-man:

hehe

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k-man:

justinh, you awake?

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wagnerrp:

give it another hour

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k-man:

ok :)

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dekarl:

wagnerrp: maybe change the subscription date format to ISO8601 in that message with the year nicely in the front of everything (no blink tag in the console? :)

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wagnerrp:

you people and your standards

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dekarl:

<blink> was in a standard?

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wagnerrp:

saying we should conform to some silly ISO dates

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wagnerrp:

:)

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k-man:

I noticed stuartm's commit changing TRUE/FALSE to true/false

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k-man:

do you guys worry that even seemingly simple changes like that could sometimes break things?

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k-man:

not that that did or anything

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k-man:

just curious

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wagnerrp:

thats why we have the development branch

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wagnerrp:

besides, you can always diff the changes to see what all got affected

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wagnerrp:

and make sure you didnt pick up bad things along the way

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k-man:

yeah

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k-man:

its just interesting

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k-man:

on another topic

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k-man:

i've been thinking a little about the problem of making a theme work at different resolutions

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k-man:

and I've been slowly working on my fork of MythCenter

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k-man:

converting it to a template, so in theory I could generate it for any resolution

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k-man:

I think there is some merit in that approach

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k-man:

thousands might disagree with that statement though :)

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wagnerrp:

well, youve got 1280x720 and 1920x1080

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k-man:

and 800x600

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wagnerrp:

maybe you want one for 1680x1050

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k-man:

for those not in the HD world yet

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wagnerrp:

everyone else... dont bother

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wagnerrp:

800x600 is a vastly different aspect ratio

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wagnerrp:

meaning youre going to need to significantly redesign the theme

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k-man:

yes, but that is my target resolution currently as I only have an SD TV

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wagnerrp:

well then do 640x480

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wagnerrp:

not 800x600

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k-man:

wagnerrp, you think?

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wagnerrp:

it is 480i after all

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wagnerrp:

unless its 576i

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k-man:

I'm not sure what it is in AU

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wagnerrp:

576

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k-man:

but I know that I always find 800x600 better than 640x480 for me

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k-man:

ah, according to this page it is 576i here

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k-man:

http://www.cnet.com.au/digital-tv-in-australia-240000380.htm

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wagnerrp:

yeah, in which case running at a closer 800x600 and downscaling would produce better results

[06:13:14]

wagnerrp:

but downscaling from 600 to 480, too much quality loss

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k-man:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

720x576 would be optimal, but often not supported by graphics cards

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k-man:

yes – and as I use a TV-out feature of the graphics card, I found it very difficult even to get it working

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k-man:

best not fiddle with it now that its working

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k-man:

don't ask me what card it is – I can't rememeber

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k-man:

I set it up ages ago

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k-man:

but anyway, my point is that in most situations, users would not be resizing the theme on the fly

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k-man:

so it would be fine to generate a theme for a specific resolution

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wagnerrp:

im saying that in most situations, users should not be running resolutions wildly different from a couple standard ones

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k-man:

yes

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k-man:

true

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k-man:

the reason for my thinking was justinh was saying one can sometimes have problems when using a theme at a resolution different from that which it was designed for

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wagnerrp:

in the new UI framework, that should not be a problem

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k-man:

maybe justinh was leading me astray :)

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wagnerrp:

the problem you will have is that people operate at bad aspect ratios, that make things look bad

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wagnerrp:

or they run their resolutions too high or low

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wagnerrp:

leading to wasted real estate, or items that people cant read

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k-man:

right

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k-man:

I often have difficulty reading text on my TV – which I intend to address at some point

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wagnerrp:

on the old UI framework, scaling was a much bigger issue, as users were allowed to change their font size

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k-man:

I think the fonts are too small on some parts of the ui

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k-man:

right

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wagnerrp:

make the font too big from the artist's intent, and it clips

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wagnerrp:

make it too small and it just looks goofy

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k-man:

a lot of the fonts are clipped I'm mythcenter – even in master

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k-man:

which I am also attempting to resolve

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justinh:

k-man: a balance has to be struck between how much info is onscreen vs text size ;-)

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k-man:

justinh, of course

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justinh:

HD resolutions probably afford more information to be shown but even then you have to be careful not to present too much

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justinh:

btw scaling can still be a real issue with mythui. stuff that works fine at 16:9 may need reworked for 4:3 – at the expense of possibily 'unnecessarily' increasing spacing in the 16:9 representation

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justinh:

but then that can also be a good thing – not having things too close together :)

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justinh:

oh, and changing the font can make a *huge* difference to readability. very few fonts have been designed for use on SDTVs

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justinh:

k-man: btw you remember the issue I had where my 'scrollbar' shapes were misaligned? fixed that with jpabq's suggestion of using auto spacing

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k-man:

oh right

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k-man:

nice work

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k-man:

so how are are you from releasing something justinh?

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justinh:

apart from a few areas where textareas weren't long enough for a 4:3 rendering this is working out really well at 4:3 and 16:9 so far

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justinh:

still a while away yet. I've got more icons to draw

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justinh:

and I still dunno what I'm going to do with the main menus

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justinh:

I'd love to do away with all the big graphics I've currently got – a hangover from glass-wide – but since we can't really have useful non-menu widgets in place.. I'm torn

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justinh:

oh and the other thing – saying this theme is good for 16:9 or 4:3.. it's still intended to be used with a 16:9 display whatever

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justinh:

i.e. some things will look stupid on a 4:3 display – i.e. square icons :P

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justinh:

but anyone still using a 4:3 TV can go to hell as far as I'm concerned

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justinh:

we've had widescreen for what... 20 years now? ;-)

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k-man:

justinh, I don;t have one yet ;)

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justinh:

I might even begin to regret not basing this theme at 1920x1080

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k-man:

oh yes, that sounds like a mistake

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justinh:

nothing is really that small

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justinh:

er fine, I mean

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justinh:

there

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justinh:

duh there's not that much of a discernable difference between 1080 & 720 anyway

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dekarl:

k-man was about to ask if it's 800x600 16:9 or 4:3 ;)

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k-man:

dekarl, 4:3 definately

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justinh:

yes! sign language recording priority... MUHAHAHA. Thankyou (maybe stuarta?) whoever put that in

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oopepe:

Hi, mythmusic has a problem importing my music. When i click import music mythfrontend takes all my available ram and my system starts swapping after some seconds. I can hardly do anything then. The swap usage keeps getting bigger and bigger. I need to kill mythfrontend to be able to use my system again. What can i do here?

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stuartm:

oopepe: first, what version are you using?

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stuartm:

oopepe: second, what types of files are being used – mp3, flac, aac, ogg, other?

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stuartm:

does it display the import screen, or starting using ram the moment you click the 'import' menu option?

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oopepe:

Im using version 0.24.1 on opensuse from the packman repository.

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oopepe:

A loading animation is shown.

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oopepe:

Im using mostly mp3.

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stuartm:

hmm, ok, that's interesting ... it sounds like it's scanning automatically but using a path such as / instead of something more sensible – I didn't think we started scanning until the user explicitly clicked on 'begin scan'

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stuartm:

oopepe: roughly how many files?

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oopepe:

Im clicking on begion scan, and then its happening. I have about 10000 files.

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oopepe:

What can i do to find the cause of this?

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stuartm:

oopepe: ok thanks, when scanning, what location are you using? A direct path to where they are stored or a lower level such as / or /home/{user}/? It sounds like it might getting stuck in a loop scanning a directory with symlinks

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oopepe:

im using the direct path to my music folder.

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stuartm:

oopepe: just to be clear, you want to perform an import vs a scan? An import copies the files to your configured music directory and renames them according to your preferences, a scan just reads in the metadata for music already in the directory you've configured for mythmusic

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oopepe:

I want to do a scan. Im clicking on search for new music (translated from my frontend language).

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stuartm:

oopepe: ah, ok, misunderstanding then – there are two menu options, in English they read "Scan Music Directory" and "Import Music"

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oopepe:

Yes, i see an import and a scan command. Im using the scan command.

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stuartm:

oopepe: try running with file logging enabled – mythfrontend -v file -l scan.log then you can see what is happening

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oopepe:

ok, ill try that. Thank you

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stuartm:

can you can open a ticket at http://code.mythtv.org/trac/newticket and attach the log, a description of the problem, your version information etc – That way we can try to fix the underlying bug

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oopepe:

stuartm: Ok, ill do that. Thanks.

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oopepe:

stuartm: I created the ticket here: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10002

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oopepe:

stuartm: I think i found something. The mp3 file in the logs produces the same memory problems using Amarok. Vlc or MPlayer play the file just fine. What does mythmusic use for mp3 playback?

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justinh:

oopepe: now uses the mythtv ffmpeg libs AFAIK

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oopepe:

justinh: Thx

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justinh:

it could be that a later version of ffmpeg has fixed the problem, so a version like master might solve it for you

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justinh:

you could try mythtvavtest $mp3filename on the offending track too

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justinh:

oops mythavtest

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justinh:

if you do open a ticket (it'll be useful whatever happens) it'd probably help to have a sample of the troublesome file somewhere too

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stuartm:

we use taglib for reading metadata from mp3s

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stuartm:

it could be a taglib bug

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stuartm:

oopepe: check which version of taglib is installed (aka libtaglib)

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justinh:

eew. just been given a USB A to A cable to evaluate. Kinky

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justinh:

WTH are we gonna use USB A to A for?!

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oopepe:

I have taglib version 1.6.2–4.1 installed. I updated it to 1.7–6.pm.39.1 and now mythfrontend is scanning my library for a minute without any memory problems. Yay, that seems to have solved my problem. Thank you!

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oopepe:

I really scanned my complete music folder without problems. Nice :-)

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stuartm:

oopepe: great, thanks for letting us know

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justinh:

hmm latest version I have available here is 1.6.3

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stuartm:

justinh: 1.7 was released in March

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stuartm:

doesn't seem like they backported the leak fix

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stuartm:

changelog for 1.7 includes a note about a fix for a leak when reading ID3v2.2 PIC tags

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justinh:

not that I really use mp3 anymore

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justinh:

well, not in mythtv anyway :)

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stuartm:

we also use it for reading ogg, flac, wavpack tags

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stuartm:

and maybe a couple of others that I've now forgotten, e.g. wma

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justinh:

bum

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justinh:

ach well, easy to remove a package & build my own :)

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stuartm:

but that leak seems to have only affected mp3s

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justinh:

I use mp3fs for exporting my library to my portable player

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stuartm:

maybe they haven't broken it, but 'improved' it in some unquantifiable manner and it just looks broken because you've not put on your Apple brand rose tinted glasses?

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EvilGuru:

stuartm: Doesn't look broken, it sounds broken :P

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EvilGuru:

VLC does not even bother to try to passthrough, mplayer, when forced, gives noise, Quicktime + perian results in choppy sound, mplayer + Linux box works fine

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justinh:

heh. That DIDO effor looks like a whole bunch of somebodyjustmadeitup.com

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wagnerrp:

justinh: (USB A->A) for burning up machines?

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dashs:

had myhtbuntu 8.04 boot drive fail, have installed 11.04 version on other drive — how can I migrate mythconverg (tutorial?)

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wagnerrp:

do you have a dump of your database?

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dashs:

yes. weekly. also can probably access the cuuretn version as the drive has 'creeping' failure mode.

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wagnerrp:

if you can access the drive still, make a new dump

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wagnerrp:

but it must be a dump, not the database files itself

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dashs:

yes

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wagnerrp:

mysql cannot be guaranteed to have binary compatibility from one system to the next

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wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore

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dashs:

capisco

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EvilGuru:

How does myth decide when to scale video? i.e., https://freddie.witherden.org/drop/fill.jpg

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wagnerrp:

it scans for black bars, and zooms if they are detected

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dashs:

wagnerrp: difficult to run the backup in chroot mode without that db online

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EvilGuru:

For some reason it is not stretching this channel (no idea how it is broadcasting)

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wagnerrp:

what video renderer are you using?

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EvilGuru:

VDPAU

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wagnerrp:

thats why

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EvilGuru:

Manually changing the fill method does 'fix' it

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wagnerrp:

it only works with the internal decoder

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EvilGuru:

Namely the "half" option, which does what I expect

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wagnerrp:

because the vdpau decoder does not provide access back to software

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sphery:

can't fix what's not broken

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wagnerrp:

at least not as the implementation in mythtv is designed

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EvilGuru:

How does changing the fill to "half" decide how much to scale?

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sphery:

now, your broadcaster can fix it--they're the ones broadcasting video with the black bars

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wagnerrp:

its a zoom mode, thats what the zoom modes do

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sphery:

half zoom is 14:9 aspect, cutting off sides or top/bottom as required

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt decide how much to scale

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wagnerrp:

it just scales so far

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sphery:

full zoom is 16:9 aspect, cutting off...

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EvilGuru:

Okay, so I just got lucky

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wagnerrp:

and that so far happens to be exactly what you need

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sphery:

exactly... zooming is scaling

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wagnerrp:

its not luck, it was chosen because it is a commonly needed amount

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sphery:

yes, specifically in the UK, as the BBC seems to have chosen 14:9 as a good compromise between 4:3 and 16:9

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EvilGuru:

I know analogue is mostly 14:9, or at least it used to be

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sphery:

so it works well enough for people with old 4:3 displays, but reduces black bars on 16:9 displays

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EvilGuru:

Does DVB allow for 14:9, or are black bars just added and it is sent as 16:9?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

sphery: we need to trace down these users running 'C' as their languages

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wagnerrp:

three users on trunk, reporting to smolt

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sphery:

like LANG="C"

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wagnerrp:

http://smolt.mythtv.org/static/stats/stats.html

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wagnerrp:

language tab

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sphery:

how does the smolt code get the lang?

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wagnerrp:

probably straight from the environment

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sphery:

yeah, they really should be setting that for mythbackend/mythfrontend execution

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sphery:

using C will likely cause all sorts of problems with some of our code

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wagnerrp:

worth putting in a warning?

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sphery:

but Qt does has a very complex approach for determining which language and locale to use, so it's possible that Qt picks things up correctly

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sphery:

(but it still makes sense to /ensure/ you tell Qt the right thing...)

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sphery:

probably

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sphery:

it can't hurt to configure it properly :)

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sphery:

even if it's just in their start scripts

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wagnerrp:

ooh, utc branch

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sphery:

how many?

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wagnerrp:

how many?

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sphery:

using utc branch?

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wagnerrp:

f- if i know

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sphery:

oh, you mean you just found the branch

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** wagnerrp just did a 'git pull' **

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sphery:

yeah, it's a huge waste of effort considering that it only has an effect for 2hrs per year

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sphery:

but, as I told danielk, it will be great to have it done because a) it will stop users from saying we don't know how to code and b) it will make direct access of data in the DB more difficult, so more users will end up using the proper UIs to access data

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wagnerrp:

well i thing we /should/ be running UTC internally

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sphery:

(or bindings or whatever)

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wagnerrp:

i just dont know how much effect transferring to it will have

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wagnerrp:

i mean weve run 9 years without it

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sphery:

well, the amount of effort + the amount of bugs it will create is huge compared to the actual problems in our coed

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sphery:

we should like, fix the bugs, too

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sphery:

anyway, main reason I'm not doing it is because users think it's a problem when it's not

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sphery:

and if an armchair quarterback wants to tell me what to do, I'll do exactly the opposite

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sphery:

:)

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wagnerrp:

look at this for a second... https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/graphs/clones

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wagnerrp:

something seems off

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sphery:

but when MythTV was created, data was explicitly put in local time because it made it easier for devs to access the data to figure out what's going on

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wagnerrp:

we reduce from 0 clones one week, to zero clones the next week

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wagnerrp:

how is that a reduction

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sphery:

maybe it's negative 0 now?

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wagnerrp:

were using calculus to find our clone count now?

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wagnerrp:

so should this go into the command line parser or core context

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sphery:

I'd say core context

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: that page produces a 404 here

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wagnerrp:

what page?

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stuartm:

the clones graph

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wagnerrp:

works fine here

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wagnerrp:

(just copied and pasted it into firefox)

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stuartm:

and there is no link to it from the graphs page here

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stuartm:

hmm, wonder if I have to be logged in first

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wagnerrp:

there are five tabs, languages, impact, punchcard, traffic, and clones

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stuartm:

apparently I do – it's not displayed unless you're logged in, maybe not even to non-mythtv admins

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sphery:

amazing how many lawyers use mythtv

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wagnerrp:

i know of at least one

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sphery:

heh, yeah--but he's usually not the one who speaks up with legal advice

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wagnerrp:

who happens to be a subject matter expert on copyright

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stuartm:

those figures are infeasibly low

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sphery:

(actually, TTBOMK, he's always prefaced his slightly-related-to-legal-advice posts with a disclaimer that it does not constitue legal advice)

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stuartm:

well he has to protect himself

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wagnerrp:

he would only have to if he were a licensed lawyer

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sphery:

yeah, I'm just saying all the people who "play lawyers" on the list are annoying every time they get to tell us why <insert action> is not a violation of copyright.

[18:38:57]

EvilGuru:

the only person who can tell you if something is or is not a violation is a judge

[18:39:13]

EvilGuru:

anything else is just somebodies opinion, albeit some are better informed than others

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: your freebsd slave is offline, in case you were unaware

[18:40:25]

wagnerrp:

bah, forgot to bring it back up

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sphery:

EvilGuru: yeah, which is why it's so annoying to see these opinions spouted as fact on list

[18:42:09]

kormoc:

Really, even judgements are opinions, just more binding then others

[18:42:36]

EvilGuru:

Potentially very costly judegements

[18:43:55]

sphery:

Anyway, the whole idea of hooking a Netflix player up to a MythTV box to distribute Netflix streamed videos around the house is as bad as the idea of trying to use MythTV to order Video On Demand

[18:44:09]

sphery:

you'll have the several-seconds-of-latency between each key press

[18:44:40]

sphery:

and here people say that my recommending against using a DVR for this is against all principles of MythTV--the mythical convergence platform

[18:45:02]

sphery:

how many of these people hook a bluray player to an input on mythtv to distribute bluray playback across the network?

[18:45:30]

justinh:

mythical convergence box == network media capture & server device FTW!

[18:45:49]

EvilGuru:

stuartm: Bad analogy, blu ray players require discs to be inserted and removed etc

[18:45:54]

EvilGuru:

*sphery, sorry

[18:46:18]

EvilGuru:

But why would you want myth to do it when anything running the frontend can presumably do it directly

[18:47:48]

** justinh feels like inserting a disc in whoever was suggesting capturing a netflix stream **

[18:47:50]

justinh:

you know what'd be really nice? some utility to set BIOS parameters without having to go into the BIOS. Need to set the frontend to WoL again but CBA to find a keyboard

[18:48:04]

wagnerrp:

justinh: a spinfusor?

[18:48:18]

wagnerrp:

mmm... spinfusor

[18:48:35]

justinh:

spinfusor?

[18:48:40]

wagnerrp:

spinfusor

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EvilGuru:

justinh: ethtool can do it IIRC

[18:49:01]

EvilGuru:

as it is a property of the ethernet adapter's BIOS

[18:49:17]

wagnerrp:

justinh: ever seen one of those little toy disc launchers?

[18:49:22]

justinh:

EvilGuru: really? cool I'll look into that

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skd5aner:

spinfusor?

[18:49:33]

justinh:

wagnerrp: haha yeah. I had to google the spinfusor thingy

[18:49:54]

EvilGuru:

ethtool -s eth0 wol g

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justinh:

"If you havent already, go to your BIOS, and turn on WakeOnLAN (it varies, look for it.)" :-\

[18:51:16]

sphery:

EvilGuru: doesn't matter--the point is you can't control the device through mythtv and if you could, you would have multiple seconds of latency between button presses and their effect showing on screen

[18:51:30]

sphery:

and mythtv /can't/ do Netflix streaming directly because of the DRM

[18:51:49]

justinh:

and I wouldn't bet my house on Netflix wanting any DRM either ;-)

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EvilGuru:

justinh: That is there because some broken BIOSes enjoy resetting the ethernet card when they boot up

[18:52:16]

justinh:

it'll more be a condition of the contracts. filthy thieves, the lot of internet users

[18:52:19]

justinh:

EvilGuru: ah

[18:52:24]

EvilGuru:

(Well, enforcing their vision of WoL as opposed to reading the current status)

[18:52:37]

justinh:

EvilGuru: I'll see how I go on cheers

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EvilGuru:

I still can not work out why it is not enabled by default

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justinh:

we had a discussion along these lines the other day :)

[18:54:26]

justinh:

1st boot device — FLOPPY?!

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justinh:

etc

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EvilGuru:

I can understand disabling PXE by default (or removing it from the boot list), but not WoL

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Beirdo:

OMG, my Qt build finally finished

[18:55:25]

justinh:

OH! So that WoL stuff might be why sometimes my WoL'd frontend needed a power cycle after a clean shutdown

[18:58:05]

justinh:

actually I dunno why there aren't utils to set BIOS options outside the BIOS. it's a PITA having to go in there sometimes

[18:58:21]

justinh:

I should probably buy another USB keyboard

[18:58:35]

skd5aner:

justinh: you trying to setup WOL for your frontend?

[18:59:02]

justinh:

skd5aner: just enable it so I can magic ping it

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skd5aner:

ah

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justinh:

it'd be handy to be able to do since I put the perspex in front of the TV unit to stop our 1-year-old messing with stuff

[19:00:23]

justinh:

guess it'd be easy enough to do in theory... read the settings NVRAM, change a thing, read it back.. rinse & repeat

[19:01:10]

Beirdo:

frick, it didn't find yasm

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Beirdo:

ah well

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marsilainen:

hi

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jams:

justinh- you could buy an hpserver..they provide utils for that sort of thing.

[19:13:07]

marsilainen:

I just bought a hdhomerun – hdhr3-dt

[19:13:26]

jams:

who wouldn't want a hp380 or even a 580 for a Frontend =)

[19:13:47]

Beirdo:

marsilainen: I'm sure we are all delighted for you. :0

[19:13:48]

marsilainen:

I've been trying to update the firmware on it to the latest one (from ubuntu – using command line tool and gui config tool) but it just gives an error every time

[19:14:02]

marsilainen:

anyone else had trouble updating the firmware on these thnigs?

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Beirdo:

why are you updating it?

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marsilainen:

well, doesn't it make sense to run with the latest firmware?

[19:14:38]

Beirdo:

is there a particular bug you need fixed?

[19:14:50]

marsilainen:

for whatever things they have fixed in the last 6 months since the firmware on mine

[19:14:53]

marsilainen:

nope

[19:14:58]

Beirdo:

generally, it makes most sense not to mess with things that work :)

[19:15:08]

marsilainen:

hah

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sphery:

misho12345: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/IPTV + http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Settin . . . elevision%29

[19:15:29]

Beirdo:

anyways, I did my upgrades in Windows

[19:15:54]

marsilainen:

well, I generally update :)

[19:15:55]

marsilainen:

I mean – more likely that later firmware is better than older firmware surely

[19:15:55]

marsilainen:

and the fact it wont update is a bit worrying in itself

[19:15:55]

marsilainen:

I mean, what if I needed to update in future?

[19:16:01]

marsilainen:

I could return it right now if there was a problem with it

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sphery:

misho12345: note that the MythTV IPTV implementation was created specifically for some French service provider's implementation, so it may not work perfectly with other providers' implementation. If that's the case, patches are appreciated

[19:16:16]

Beirdo:

try in Windows then

[19:16:20]

marsilainen:

it might be too late if I figure out that I need to do it later and it fails

[19:16:37]

Beirdo:

isolate if the problem is the hardware or the tool

[19:16:41]

justinh:

jams: heh. I might just add a poke hole to the perspex instead :P

[19:16:43]

marsilainen:

what if I don't have windows?

[19:17:08]

Beirdo:

then go put in a support request with silicondust? I dunno

[19:17:14]

marsilainen:

sure

[19:17:21]

justinh:

don't have a friend with windows?

[19:17:22]

marsilainen:

just wondered if others had issues with it that's all

[19:17:26]

misho12345:

sphery: thanks, I'll read those materials and try to make it work

[19:17:30]

justinh:

god, I wish I had those kind of friends :P

[19:17:30]

marsilainen:

I could take it to work and do it there

[19:18:01]

justinh:

bet any money the FW update util is just some tftp kinda server

[19:18:12]

Beirdo:

worked fine for me (on my borked one that I sent back)

[19:18:22]

marsilainen:

could be

[19:18:49]

Beirdo:

it wouldn't stay locked on channel for more than about 10min, seemed to overheat or something. They RMAd it, and all is good.

[19:19:27]

justinh:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HDHomeRun

[19:19:30]

marsilainen:

I've only given mine a basic test so far using the config-gui/vlc and looks good so far

[19:19:34]

Beirdo:

it could be you have a old version of the tools

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marsilainen:

just received my asrock box to be my mythtv machine today

[19:19:52]

justinh:

dan dan dahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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justinh:

you can do it in loonix, see :-)

[19:19:58]

marsilainen:

hmm, yes, that's entirely possible....

[19:20:26]

marsilainen:

justinh: yes, I've been trying to do it that way – but it fails with generic error message

[19:21:12]

sphery:

wagnerrp: thanks... and maybe that will get people who set LC_CTYPE but don't set LANG to set both

[19:21:21]

Beirdo:

Error: Generic Error.

[19:21:23]

Beirdo:

?

[19:21:23]

marsilainen:

but yes, my config tool may be out of date a bit as I'm only running on maverick and took it from the repo

[19:21:50]

sphery:

wagnerrp: (since with that config, Qt may or may not pick up the right thing--it makes more sense to use a config that will help Qt to do the right thing)

[19:21:57]

marsilainen:

"Error attempting to upgrade HDHomeRun"

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Beirdo:

and there's no verbose mode?

[19:22:29]

marsilainen:

and looking at the source of the config gui it looks like it just echos that no matter what underlying error gets returned

[19:22:44]

marsilainen:

I can delve deeper and modify the source to give an error code that might be more helpful

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Beirdo:

you are doing this as root, I assume?

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marsilainen:

no

[19:23:19]

marsilainen:

I'm not sure how that would help?

[19:23:33]

marsilainen:

it's just talking to a remote device so I can't really believe root would help with that would it?

[19:23:34]

Beirdo:

you may not have permission to do what you are trying to do

[19:23:39]

marsilainen:

in what way?

[19:23:55]

Beirdo:

in a generic way, obviously :)

[19:23:59]

marsilainen:

...

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kormoc:

have to be root to listen on ports lower then 1024

[19:24:09]

marsilainen:

not really convinced you need to be root to do this...

[19:24:13]

Beirdo:

things like binding to low port numbers... raw UDP packets...

[19:24:18]

marsilainen:

hmm

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marsilainen:

not read anything that suggests needing to run as root to do this, and I can't think of a good reason why it would help but I'll give it a try when I get the chance

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sphery:

wagnerrp: actually, the more I think about it, the more I think we need to check LC_ALL, and if set, we're good, then check LC_CTYPE, then check LANG... and, really, we might want to also warn when any of the 3 don't match...

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sphery:

wagnerrp: man 7 locale has some info on the process used by a standard locale.h-using app... Qt uses its own process, but does, eventually, get to the locale.h process.

[19:29:35]

sphery:

sorry I didn't think of this before

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sphery:

search for LC_ALL to see the process

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sphery:

(and LC_CTYPE is one of the #2 variables)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: if you like, I can do those changes (since I didn't mention them before :)

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justinh:

gah why do I keep winding up with CDs musicbrainz knows nothing about?!

[19:32:35]

justinh:

I am NOT even going to try & enter a new release. been there, done that, argued that toss. wasted that time talking to the assholes

[19:32:47]

sphery:

no one told you that you're the guy who's supposed to populate the entire musicbrainz db?

[19:33:15]

justinh:

"muh, we don't have that, and we don't trust you.. and we can't find any evidence the release exists..."

[19:33:32]

laga:

sphery: ssssshhhh

[19:34:22]

justinh:

sphery: I tried to add a couple of releases in the past. not going there again

[19:34:53]

justinh:

you can have the disc in front of you, enter all the details & they still chuck it out

[19:34:59]

nooneami:

But then, how will they build up a full database and turn around and sell it to other people as part of music identification services?

[19:35:02]

justinh:

it's on the cddb

[19:37:13]

justinh:

meh. maybe time to wash my hands of the anally retentive music lookup thing

[19:37:51]

justinh:

I'll correct the freedb typos myself :)

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sphery:

justinh: heh, kind of like when imdb refused to allow The Tunnel because they couldn't find evidence that it was a real movie

[19:38:24]

sphery:

(at least until it was finally aired in a cinema in Australia)

[19:38:29]

justinh:

heh

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sphery:

it was a bittorrent-only release for a while

[19:41:23]

justinh:

ooo bet that sealed your fate somewhat

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marsilainen:

I am installing mythbuntu for the first time :)

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wagnerrp:

aww crap... now im associated with dave matthews

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wagnerrp:

way to go stuartm

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andreask73:

Hi

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andreask73:

Has anyone any experience daisy chaining several KNC-1 cards

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andreask73:

?

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justinh:

KNC1 ?

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: you signed off on some commit from a 'david matthews'

[20:34:06]

wagnerrp:

over here, dave matthews is a popular and untalented singer

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** wagnerrp realizes it is not the same person **

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stuartm:

ah

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justinh:

top tip for folks: don't expect daisy chaining tuner cards to work. not dvb-t, not dvb-c & absolutely not dvb-s

[20:35:18]

wagnerrp:

daisy chaining?

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: using the passthrough

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justinh:

yeah some tuners have passthrough

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justinh:

mine do

[20:35:41]

wagnerrp:

why would a tuner card have a passthrough

[20:35:45]

wagnerrp:

is it an amped passthrough?

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justinh:

nope

[20:36:13]

justinh:

best you'll get is a passive split

[20:36:26]

stuartm:

wagnerrp: so you could have two cards without splitting, or one card and then connect the aerial to the TV ... but it works about as well as you'd expect

[20:36:40]

justinh:

where in reality even a very strong signal goes away to bugger all by the time you've done it more than once

[20:36:52]

stuartm:

that said, I used to daisy chain my DVB-T cards and it actually did work well, but then I get a pretty strong signal to begin with

[20:37:20]

justinh:

I had a 10/10 signal, but passing to a 3rd card was problematic

[20:37:50]

justinh:

multiple termination == BAD

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stuartm:

not so many cards offer passthrough these days and it's telling that no current Hauppauge cards I've seen do

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justinh:

not worth the tech support & saves em BOM cost :D

[20:38:22]

stuartm:

justinh: I only even tried two cards because my second card didn't have passthrough

[20:38:29]

justinh:

heh

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justinh:

all my cards are the same :)

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stuartm:

s/even/ever/

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justinh:

I dunno if it's even worth me having 3 tuners anymore

[20:39:01]

stuartm:

justinh: my first few cards were whatever I could pick-up dead cheap on ebay

[20:39:10]

justinh:

stuartm: so were mine :)

[20:39:15]

justinh:

hence the LR6650

[20:39:20]

justinh:

think the most I paid was like £15

[20:39:38]

stuartm:

yep, I had two LR6550 but not in the same box and two Nova-T

[20:39:39]

justinh:

definitely had my money's worth i can tell yer

[20:40:03]

justinh:

shouldn't have said that. one or all will fail tomorrow lol

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stuartm:

I've picked up a couple of Nova-T 500 since then so those original cards are buried in a drawer

[20:40:50]

stuartm:

along with a couple of DVB-S cards, replaced with DVB-S2 ones

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EvilGuru:

I got myself one of the early Nova-T 500's with a single input (as opposed to two)

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justinh:

oh been meaning to ask.. is it still a lottery with the nova-t500?

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stuartm:

justinh: only outstanding issue is that they don't like a soft reboot

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justinh:

I mean the original t/TD debacle where the TD was never going to be supported & then they brought out a new one which was

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stuartm:

which is annoying, but not the end of the world

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EvilGuru:

justinh: The linuxtv wiki says that it is quite afe now

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EvilGuru:

stuartm: Glad to know it is not just me who gets that issue

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justinh:

or was it that the original TD now works?

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EvilGuru:

I do not think the original TD works, or will ever work

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justinh:

just trying to clarify :)

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stuartm:

EvilGuru: it's a known issue, iirc Devin recently said he was going to spend time finally finding/fixing the issue

[20:43:01]

justinh:

yeah cos they originally said "no data, no can do" but things like that *can* change ;)

[20:43:06]

stuartm:

justinh: both mine are pre-TD models

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EvilGuru:

the pre-TD one for me is nice as it avoids having the split the signal

[20:43:26]

stuartm:

so I'm not sure of the post-TD era issues

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EvilGuru:

and with the LNA it does a better job than my nova-t

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justinh:

but latter TD models got new would be OK I guess

[20:43:51]

justinh:

I don't split anyway.. I got me a distribution amp :)

[20:44:09]

justinh:

not that I even need 18dB gain... hey ho

[20:44:19]

justinh:

covers me for a crow wandering off with the aerial

[20:45:50]

justinh:

I still find it funny that those LR6650 tuners were supposed to be for OEM MCE boxes & the whole reason I'm running mythtv is cos the damn thing wouldn't work in windows

[20:46:21]

justinh:

and er.. so much for my PC based DVR to 'just record the occasional TNG episode'

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EvilGuru:

the MCE things don't come with an MPEG2 decoder do they

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justinh:

MCE didn't, back then, no

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EvilGuru:

and MS could not be bothered to license one for MCE out of the box

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justinh:

think it's safe to call ANY DVB tuner nowadays a 'budget' model

[20:47:25]

justinh:

the 1st ones were just about a STB on a card

[20:47:33]

justinh:

absolutely crazy stuff

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EvilGuru:

the PVR-350 had a decoder, didn't it?

[20:47:51]

justinh:

yeah

[20:47:57]

justinh:

some DVB tuners did too.

[20:48:02]

justinh:

crazy

[20:48:11]

EvilGuru:

I think my Nova-T has an MPEG2 encoder

[20:48:32]

justinh:

hey, remember those days, when CPUs were so puny you had to rely on hardware on a *card* to decode video? ROFL

[20:48:40]

justinh:

oh wait..

[20:49:53]

EvilGuru:

my parents still use my old PVR-150 to get stuff off of their camcorder

[20:50:12]

justinh:

oooo I knew there was a reason I shoulda defined inactive states for these buttonlists

[20:50:15]

justinh:

DOH

[20:51:52]

justinh:

gah another area template info doesn't apply.. wanted to put a title on the castlist popup containing the video title + 'cast'

[20:52:14]

justinh:

this is a weird feeling. I never thought I'd run into anything mythui couldn't do. heh

[20:52:47]

justinh:

you guys... you thought of so much & it still wasn't enough. I'm sorry :)

[20:54:27]

justinh:

meh.. I dunno if I'd ever use that feature much... move on

[20:58:45]

justinh:

another popup done. how many more? lol

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stuartm:

justinh: it's not a mythui limitation per se, but an implementation issue, the features are there but it's up to people to make use of them when writing the screens

[21:07:39]

stuartm:

and I'm sure we'd all be happy to improve things if you can open a ticket listing the problems

[21:10:19]

justinh:

yeah ok I'll pop a ticket open with this one. I can't find the list I was making with my other observations

[21:10:44]

justinh:

though to be fair some of those would probably need validating since I'm mostly just plugging away like crazy half the time

[21:12:41]

justinh:

need to book a couple of days off before going on holiday. should give me time to get rid of all these packages & do myth properly again then I can come back to helping out

[21:12:47]

wagnerrp:

new rule, dont argue quantum mechanics with a teenager

[21:13:11]

wagnerrp:

its like explaining evolution to a creationist

[21:13:33]

justinh:

also, don't argue on the internet?

[21:13:53]

wagnerrp:

nah, new undergrad sitting a few feet away from me

[21:14:14]

kormoc:

He doesn't believe he's made of vibrating strings?

[21:14:31]

wagnerrp:

no, he doesnt believe a particle can exist in two states at once

[21:14:46]

kormoc:

Huh

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wagnerrp:

"no, its only in one state. we just dont know until we look at it."

[21:15:10]

wagnerrp:

trying to explain to him the fundamental principle of superposition

[21:15:23]

wagnerrp:

and he just couldnt wrap his mind around something existing in multiple states simultaneously

[21:16:34]

justinh:

I can't either but I accept it's possible

[21:16:58]

wagnerrp:

but are you going to try to argue it and say thats simply not happening

[21:17:00]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, isn't it that it exists as part of multiple states but not fully in either/both?

[21:17:25]

wagnerrp:

when the last 50 years of research into it serves of evidence that that IS whats happening?

[21:17:58]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: right, its in a soft of "undecided" state where it really isnt anything

[21:17:59]

justinh:

what was I going to make a ticket about again?

[21:18:12]

wagnerrp:

porn mode

[21:18:15]

justinh:

poof! it's gone. need to read the scrollback

[21:18:20]

wagnerrp:

a new button that terminates current playback

[21:18:24]

wagnerrp:

and switches over to kids shows

[21:18:31]

dashs:

Have returned: db has been restored, but the main menu is at 1280x720, but should be close to 1920x1080, eh?

[21:19:03]

justinh:

ah crap. what's my trac login?

[21:19:09]

wagnerrp:

dashs: unless you have manually specified otherwise, the main menu will be rendered in full screen, at whatever the current resolution is

[21:19:44]

justinh:

whoah I remembered it!

[21:19:48]

dashs:

wagnerrp: not sure what I did, but it reverted. Was ok.

[21:20:22]

justinh:

stuartm: you know what.. it just feels wrong to be generating a ticket for this, lazy even

[21:21:12]

dashs:

wagnerrp: Was way overscanned at first, then I used the previous 1920x1080 xorg.conf which made the screen righteous.

[21:21:43]

dashs:

wagnerrp: Now the menu is a 1280x720 patch.

[21:23:07]

wagnerrp:

dashs: go into the screen setup wizard and reset the screen

[21:23:17]

dashs:

wagnerrp: ok

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wagnerrp:

then go back in and run it through properly to set your screen extents

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dashs:

wagnerrp: video muy bien, just a tad overscanned, but es son cosas de la vida

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wagnerrp:

uh... huh...

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dashs:

wagnerrp: much thanx.

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Seeker`:

hmm, one of my recordings from TV has got fanart / background etc. – how do I get it to do this for the rest of my recordings

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stuartm:

you get the first one free, the rest require paying a bribe to iamlindoro

[22:24:33]

Seeker`:

:(

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dewman:

no checks...cash only..

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wagnerrp:

Seeker`: or an update to 0.25

[22:25:35]

Seeker`:

is 0.25 stable yet?

[22:25:44]

wagnerrp:

nope

[22:25:49]

Seeker`:

(at least relatively?

[22:26:02]

wagnerrp:

many of us use it for our primary system

[22:26:52]

Seeker`:

is anything particularly broken at the moment?

[22:27:46]

wagnerrp:

wtf... eric sharkey just took both completely opposite sides of an argument

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dashs:

wagnerrp: I see dvb_core, but my Hauppage 2250 is not defined. Must I modprobe something?

[22:28:49]

wagnerrp:

dashs: what kernel are you running?

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dashs:

wagnerrp: 2.6.38 mythbuntu

[22:30:18]

wagnerrp:

then drivers for your device should be built into the kernel

[22:30:26]

wagnerrp:

and mythbuntu should ship with the firmware

[22:30:35]

wagnerrp:

it should autodetect and run with no effort on your part

[22:30:51]

dashs:

wagnerrp: I was hoping that would be true...

[22:31:31]

dashs:

wagnerrp: recall I'm using the device name from an 8.04 kernel

[22:31:52]

dashs:

wagnerrp: should I just remove it?

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wagnerrp:

device name from an 8.04 kernel?

[22:41:01]

wagnerrp:

i dont follow

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Seeker`:

updated to 0.25, getting an error when looking up metadata that "hostname is NULL" in a database query

[22:42:39]

Seeker`:

wagnerrp: any suggestions?

[22:43:09]

wagnerrp:

you are using the old local folder definitions for videos

[22:43:13]

wagnerrp:

migrate to storage groups

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Seeker`:

wtf. videos has disappeared from my media library

[22:45:35]

dashs:

wagnerrp: ok dvb_core is loaded, but mythbuntu only shipped support for usb cards, not the hauppage (apparently).

[22:45:37]

wagnerrp:

if the videos cannot be found in any defined folder, they will be removed by the scanner

[22:46:17]

Seeker`:

wagnerrp: I mean that the "videos" option is no longer there, "watch recordings" is, "Listen to music" etc.

[22:46:32]

wagnerrp:

then you do not have mythvideo installed

[22:51:02]

Seeker`:

hmm, looks like the mythbuntu nightly build isn't working properly atm

[22:51:27]

wagnerrp:

oh, in 0.25, there is no mythvideo

[22:51:48]

wagnerrp:

it has been removed, and the capability integrated into mythfrontend

[22:51:54]

wagnerrp:

the 'watch videos' option should always be present

[22:52:13]

wagnerrp:

the only thing i can think of is you might be running an old theme, and support is not being detected properly

[22:52:21]

Seeker`:

will try that

[22:56:00]

Seeker`:

wagnerrp: better now

[22:56:45]

Seeker`:

wagnerrp: still getting "Column 'hostname' cannot be null" when searching for metadata

[22:56:50]

Seeker`:

and I am using storage groups

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wagnerrp:

have you rescanned your content?

[22:57:27]

Seeker`:

this is with recordings

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wagnerrp:

recordings must have hostnames

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wagnerrp:

they cannot exist without being recorded by a backend on a hostname

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tgm4883:

hostname should just be the host it exists on I recall

[22:59:01]

wagnerrp:

the host that recorded it, yes

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Seeker`:

these are recordings that were made with a 0.24.1 system

[23:00:26]

Seeker`:

It is an error inserting a row in to the "jobqueue" table

[23:01:20]

iamlindoro:

pastebin the whole log

[23:01:37]

iamlindoro:

and before going any further, please say whether you have read the documentation on the new metadata lookup features

[23:01:53]

Seeker`:

I have not read the documentation on it

[23:02:11]

iamlindoro:

You really, really, really ought to

[23:02:41]

wagnerrp:

oh ronald frazier, trying to distort my words

[23:02:45]

iamlindoro:

You're running master, which means presumably you're reading the commits log, where the link for the docs has been posted literally dozens of times

[23:03:25]

iamlindoro:

But out of an abundance of friendliness: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Enhancing_Recordin . . . adata_Lookup

[23:03:26]

Seeker`:

iamlindoro: only upgraded about 5 mins ago, haven't had a chance to do a lot of reading yet

[23:03:41]

iamlindoro:

Seeker`: For your own safety, the reading probably should have preceded the upgrade

[23:04:03]

iamlindoro:

Anyway, first problem sounds like an old menu theme, which you seem to have solved

[23:04:30]

iamlindoro:

second problem is difficult to tell without a log, but I'd check whether all the artwork storage groups are defined

[23:04:43]

iamlindoro:

since, as mentioned in the docs, the new functionality does not work with local paths

[23:04:50]

iamlindoro:

SGs for all must be defined on the master backend

[23:04:56]

iamlindoro:

failing all that, need logs

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dashs:

Is there a specific driver on 0.24 for the HVR-2250, or has it been subsumed by another media driver?

[23:08:18]

Seeker`:

log is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/672679

[23:08:23]

Seeker`:

will check storage groups now

[23:08:41]

iamlindoro:

Seeker`: That is not a myth log

[23:08:48]

iamlindoro:

in fact, it's a pretty offensive paste

[23:09:00]

iamlindoro:

In fact, I really probably ought to kick you for it

[23:09:16]

iamlindoro:

But I'll just assume it's a mistake and give you another chance

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Seeker`:

bah

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Seeker`:

log is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/672769

[23:11:22]

Seeker`:

sorry

[23:11:52]

iamlindoro:

That is not an error

[23:12:22]

iamlindoro:

That is just another example of someplace a recent change that you should have read about in the commits log created a new annoying log warning

[23:13:22]

iamlindoro:

The thing you need to do right now is *carefully and completely* read the instructions

[23:13:29]

iamlindoro:

and DO NOT just use the cheat sheet

[23:13:40]

iamlindoro:

if you are going to be running master, you need to understand it-- there are pictures and everything

[23:17:26]

iamlindoro:

Also, you have installed master over your existing .24 libs, which is likely to cause you massive problems and crashes

[23:18:02]

wagnerrp:

why do these mailing list discussions about tasks wholly unsuited for mythtv devolve so rapidly?

[23:18:51]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: So purely informationally, MythNetvision will now play raw videos using the HTTP ringbuffer when they are available

[23:19:06]

iamlindoro:

so Video RSS feeds and a number of our grabbers will now actually play directly in internal

[23:19:11]

iamlindoro:

made that change a month ago-ish

[23:19:16]

wagnerrp:

hey, for the purposes of argument... it DOWNLOADS

[23:19:17]

wagnerrp:

:)

[23:19:25]

iamlindoro:

yeah

[23:19:45]

iamlindoro:

The whole thread is getting a little ridiculous

[23:19:45]

wagnerrp:

interesting though

[23:20:03]

wagnerrp:

is that hooked into mythdownloader, or separate?

[23:20:07]

iamlindoro:

seperate

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wagnerrp:

s/mythdownloader/mythdownloadmanager/

[23:20:18]

iamlindoro:

uses the libav* urlopen/seek/read stuff

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Seeker`:

iamlindoro: it work now. Thanks for the help, apologies for the mistyped url, and sorry about the stupidity on my part

[23:32:36]

Seeker`:

*works

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iamlindoro:

np, glad to hear it's working for you

[23:33:01]

iamlindoro:

no stupidity that I noted ;)

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Seeker`:

would I be better off doing an apt-get remove mythtv* and then apt-get install again if i've likely screwed up libraries?

[23:38:10]

iamlindoro:

I'm not sure how the packagers handle the libraries, but minimally you want all the libs from .24 removed *somehow* before trying to use master long term, as it can cause segfaults that many people tend to blame on myth rather than a compromised environment

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Seeker`:

i'll ask in the mythbuntu channel for advice, thanks

[23:39:15]

iamlindoro:

np

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k-man:

morning all

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wagnerrp:

evening k-man

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Beirdo:

OK, now I'm getting mad

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Beirdo:

freebsd box decided it can't see the 1TB drives

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Beirdo:

told it to reboot.... it's stuck with IPs pingable, but no ssh

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