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| [00:02:24] | jrr: | running a frontend on another machine, it seems to hang at "New DB connection, total: 1" |
| [00:02:38] | jrr: | might it be waiting on my backend to play with schedules? |
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| [00:09:22] | sphery: | is there anything else in the log |
| [00:11:09] | wagnerrp: | sphery: well i cant seem to get opengl working on xming |
| [00:11:18] | wagnerrp: | might have something to do with being winxp |
| [00:11:28] | wagnerrp: | but have something to do with being an old 7-series graphics card |
| [00:11:37] | jrr: | there's nothing else from the client; the backend keeps doing schedule stuff |
| [00:12:14] | wagnerrp: | sphery: although it is claiming direct rendering is enabled |
| [00:12:59] | sphery: | jrr: you mean you have a single line log file (or console output) from the frontend? |
| [00:13:53] | sphery: | wagnerrp: if you have an idea of what we might be able to detect to auto disable (if you think we should), we should pass it by markk |
| [00:14:02] | jrr: | oh, sorry, thought you meant *after that*. before it says a few things.. version, runtime prefix /usr, config ~/.mythtv, threadpol, empty localhostname so using ubuntu, testing connectivity to backend, then finally new db connection total 1 |
| [00:14:24] | jrr: | *threadpool |
| [00:14:43] | wagnerrp: | sphery: well if i /can/ get opengl properly working, and for that i mean a smooth rendering of glxgears |
| [00:14:52] | wagnerrp: | i think we should use the opengl painter |
| [00:14:56] | sphery: | jrr: can you post teh frontend log to http://pastebin.com/ please? |
| [00:15:00] | jrr: | sure |
| [00:15:03] | wagnerrp: | but right now, it looks non-promising |
| [00:15:12] | sphery: | ah, I see |
| [00:15:22] | sphery: | yeah, please let me know how it turns out |
| [00:15:37] | sphery: | this is basically an X server for windows or??? |
| [00:15:50] | wagnerrp: | although when using direct rendering, it lists the vendor string as 'VMware, Inc.' |
| [00:15:57] | wagnerrp: | perhaps we should simply disable it if that is found |
| [00:16:01] | sphery: | heh, you sellout |
| [00:16:14] | wagnerrp: | yes, windows Xorg implementation |
| [00:16:15] | wagnerrp: | sellout? |
| [00:16:25] | jrr: | http://pastebin.com/e2dftQcx |
| [00:16:26] | sphery: | disable mythtv if it says vmware? :) |
| [00:16:34] | wagnerrp: | aye |
| [00:16:37] | sphery: | yeah, sellout--mr anti-vm :) |
| [00:16:47] | wagnerrp: | erm... i mean the opengl painter |
| [00:16:50] | wagnerrp: | but that works too |
| [00:16:58] | wagnerrp: | hey, im not running vmware |
| [00:17:00] | sphery: | heh, yeah, would solve many problems for users |
| [00:17:07] | wagnerrp: | this is real legitimate winxp |
| [00:17:15] | wagnerrp: | i thought you were calling me a sellout for running windows |
| [00:17:35] | sphery: | jrr: yep, that's as basic as you described... |
| [00:18:29] | jrr: | okay, trying again with -v all |
| [00:20:46] | jrr: | sphery: doesn't look much more useful, but http://pastebin.com/BF0WhFdy |
| [00:20:56] | sphery: | jrr: are you sure you've specified the right info for the db and backend info? |
| [00:21:02] | jrr: | the backend meanwhile keeps talking about not finding channels |
| [00:21:05] | sphery: | can re-prompt with mythfrontend -p |
| [00:21:07] | jrr: | I'm not certain, no |
| [00:21:38] | jrr: | hey that looks different |
| [00:22:03] | jrr: | it found the backend, then prompted me with "Save that" and maybe some text after that that isn't rendering correctly |
| [00:22:54] | jrr: | and every option leads to 'Cannot login' |
| [00:23:58] | wagnerrp: | sphery: seems Gallium 0.4 (from VMware) is simply the direct software renderer now in use by Xorg |
| [00:24:44] | wagnerrp: | if i turn on indirect rendering, it shifts opengl rendering to the windows server and Mesa |
| [00:25:08] | wagnerrp: | or if i turn on opengl support on the windows server, and use indirect rendering, it uses the nvidia card |
| [00:25:33] | wagnerrp: | amusingly, the Mesa renderer performs better than the nvidia card (7600 GT) |
| [00:25:53] | wagnerrp: | in either case, opengl on the server is indirect |
| [00:26:13] | wagnerrp: | while opengl software rendered by the client (through Gallium) is direct |
| [00:32:32] | jrr: | how can I check the mysql port? |
| [00:32:49] | jrr: | or maybe go through that config step again |
| [00:33:46] | jrr: | ah, config xml has DBPort, which is the default 3306 |
| [00:34:08] | wagnerrp: | shouldnt that be 0? |
| [00:34:16] | sphery: | 3306 is the new 0 |
| [00:34:29] | sphery: | (though in 0.24-fixes, should be 0) |
| [00:34:53] | sphery: | or maybe I'm misremembering all that |
| [00:34:56] | sphery: | way too tired |
| [00:35:08] | sphery: | time for futurama s4 |
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| [00:35:55] | jrr: | speaking of versions, is my debian 0.24.1 backend compatible with my ubuntu 0.24–246 front? |
| [00:36:15] | wagnerrp: | sphery: now come on... was mythtv even around to record that? |
| [00:37:00] | sphery: | heh, dvd |
| [00:37:23] | skd5aner: | sure... ::cough:: pirate ::cough:: |
| [00:37:26] | jrr: | frontend has "Unable to connect to database!" |
| [00:37:39] | wagnerrp: | jrr: is mysql running? |
| [00:37:53] | sphery: | heh... I can provide photos |
| [00:38:13] | jrr: | yup |
| [00:38:18] | sphery: | jrr: and have you configured mysql permisions |
| [00:38:38] | jrr: | not sure. I pasted some stuff from the wiki |
| [00:38:49] | jrr: | set mythtv permissions for some stuff |
| [00:39:07] | jrr: | but my mysql understanding stops at SELECT * from table order by foo; |
| [00:39:42] | wagnerrp: | jrr: is your mysql server set to listen on the network? |
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| [00:40:09] | jrr: | I haven't changed anything, so "no" if debian defaults to "no" I guess |
| [00:40:25] | jrr: | checking out conf now |
| [00:41:01] | jrr: | eek, bind address of 127.0.0.1 |
| [00:41:09] | skd5aner: | debian does default to no |
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| [00:43:15] | jrr: | woot, connected to database! |
| [00:43:30] | ** wagnerrp loves using a "distro" that defaults to yes ** | |
| [00:43:46] | jrr: | and I can even watch tv with it |
| [00:44:03] | jrr: | I thought it'd be too confused by the funny channels my HDHR gets |
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| [00:49:39] | jrr: | it looks like the on-screen stuff is in the same resolution as the video content |
| [00:50:03] | jrr: | strange design decision |
| [00:50:15] | jrr: | I guess it prevents you from having to scale your video buffer up to screen resolution |
| [00:50:44] | wagnerrp: | no, its a design limitation of the Xv video renderer |
| [00:50:59] | wagnerrp: | the Xv renderer does not support any form of on screen display |
| [00:51:17] | wagnerrp: | anything you want to display must be rendered to the video resolution, and baked over top of it |
| [00:51:29] | wagnerrp: | before handing the video off to the graphics card for scaling and display |
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| [00:51:37] | wagnerrp: | what video card do you have? |
| [00:52:17] | jrr: | this is an ancient laptop with some kind of radeon |
| [00:52:39] | jrr: | as I was flipping channels it couldn't handle HD but did SD reasonably |
| [00:53:09] | wagnerrp: | what processor, what video? |
| [00:54:37] | jrr: | celeron 2.8, 128k cache (ouch); lspci reports ATI RS300M AGP [Radeon Mobility 9100IGP] |
| [00:54:53] | wagnerrp: | yeah, ouch |
| [00:54:56] | jrr: | for what its worth, ubuntu wasn't able to use that fancy new hardware-only desktop |
| [00:54:57] | wagnerrp: | not much you can do with that |
| [00:55:09] | jrr: | hold on I'll reboot my desktop, which is a wee bit beefier |
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| [00:55:18] | wagnerrp: | not enough CPU for HD MPEG2, not enough GPU for the opengl renderer |
| [00:55:22] | wagnerrp: | whats in the desktop? |
| [00:55:35] | jrr: | quad intel, 8800GTS512 |
| [00:55:45] | jrr: | time to put laptop in irssi duty |
| [00:55:48] | wagnerrp: | oh yeah... just a wee bit |
| [00:55:50] | jrr: | screen -r =D |
| [00:56:32] | jrr: | living room has an AMD dual core and a 6800gt |
| [00:56:43] | jrr: | been playing with different media center softwares |
| [00:56:54] | wagnerrp: | my 6800 long ago died |
| [00:57:02] | wagnerrp: | of course... my 9800 died too |
| [00:57:13] | wagnerrp: | card still works fine... no fan |
| [00:57:38] | wagnerrp: | what kind of tv is that 6800 on? |
| [00:58:11] | jrr: | PC -> denon receiver -> monoprice HDMI splitter -> sony something TV and an LCD projector |
| [00:58:34] | jrr: | it's actually kind of annoying as the TV is 1266x768 and the projector is 720p |
| [00:58:38] | jrr: | *1366 |
| [00:59:13] | wagnerrp: | digital is fine, but the 8xxx series had much better analog DACs than the 6xxx series |
| [00:59:23] | wagnerrp: | both of those should have plenty of power for opengl |
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| [01:01:22] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: did you see #9986? |
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| [01:02:45] | jrr: | bbl |
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| [02:18:01] | Beirdo: | time to go hook up the replacement HDHR3 |
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| [02:32:16] | k-man: | Beirdo, how did it go? |
| [02:36:10] | wagnerrp: | holy crap! its a miracle! |
| [02:42:53] | k-man: | what?! |
| [02:43:50] | wagnerrp: | #9987 |
| [02:43:52] | wagnerrp: | he had a crash in livetv, it was actually a crash and not just dropping back to the main menu, with verbose and relevant logs, and a backtrace, and he actually put the god damned version string in a file attached to the ticket |
| [02:43:52] | wagnerrp: | i love this guy |
| [02:43:53] | wagnerrp: | plus hes a great guitarist |
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| [02:43:54] | wagnerrp: | what!? |
| [02:44:06] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: sorta like this (http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9868) or this (http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9845) |
| [02:44:10] | skd5aner: | ? |
| [02:44:45] | wagnerrp: | well we already love that guy for commit logs |
| [02:44:50] | wagnerrp: | this one is a complete unknown |
| [02:45:01] | skd5aner: | heh |
| [02:45:50] | skd5aner: | well, I don't know how to really decode a backtrace, does it appear to be a dupe of one of those two? |
| [02:47:25] | skd5aner: | just to track if there's any relation in the existing reports or if it's a completely different issue |
| [02:47:52] | skd5aner: | I know there's a half dozen ways I've been able to crash live tv over the years, so it could be something different :) |
| [02:48:12] | skd5aner: | and yes, he's a much better guitarist than that changelog dude |
| [02:48:28] | wagnerrp: | different guy... or he cant spell his name |
| [02:49:17] | skd5aner: | "Peter Townsend" ? |
| [02:49:27] | wagnerrp: | Townshend |
| [02:49:49] | wagnerrp: | (is the guitarist) |
| [02:49:54] | skd5aner: | ah, wow... never knew the h was there... |
| [02:50:15] | skd5aner: | hmmm, can't believe I didn't know that |
| [02:50:20] | wagnerrp: | hes english, they like adding random letters all over the place |
| [02:50:53] | k-man: | wagnerrp, no no, it is American's who like to drop random letters all over the place ;) |
| [02:51:12] | skd5aner: | well, much better than Russian... How does Peter = Pytor.... stupid cryllic translations |
| [02:51:25] | skd5aner: | er, that actually should be Pyotr |
| [02:51:34] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: so close... hes using a stripped version of the mythtv binaries |
| [02:52:11] | skd5aner: | 'stripped"? You mean, without symbols? |
| [02:52:22] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [02:52:36] | wagnerrp: | 'man strip' |
| [02:52:54] | skd5aner: | I refuse to type that |
| [02:53:07] | wagnerrp: | if you give it the right hidden command line argument, it also gives ascii porn on your terminal |
| [02:53:34] | skd5aner: | 1s and 0s... not a coincidence |
| [02:56:25] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: so should the tickets be cross-referenced? |
| [02:56:41] | wagnerrp: | if the crashes are related |
| [02:56:50] | wagnerrp: | im about as good with backtraces are you are |
| [02:57:07] | wagnerrp: | sphery likes to do that stuff |
| [02:57:21] | skd5aner: | heh – yea, usually my brain can at least look at some things and comprehend them at some level – but backtraces are complete chinese to me |
| [02:57:34] | wagnerrp: | look back through the tickets and theres probably a sixth of them sphery has reffed to something else |
| [02:58:09] | skd5aner: | heh – yea, I don't know how he does it... a curse disguised as a blessing I'm sure ;) |
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| [03:00:56] | Beirdo: | backtraces are fun ;) |
| [03:00:59] | Beirdo: | sometimes |
| [03:14:45] | tlhiv_laptop: | i just enabled AIGLX and now my 4:3 movies are stretching to fullscreen |
| [03:15:08] | wagnerrp: | disable AIGLX |
| [03:15:29] | tlhiv_laptop: | well then scrolling in Firefox in Gnome is very bad |
| [03:15:32] | tlhiv_laptop: | it's no smooth |
| [03:15:42] | tlhiv_laptop: | with AIGLX enabled, it is smooth |
| [03:16:05] | wagnerrp: | AIGLX is required for pumping opengl over the network and for compositing window managers |
| [03:16:11] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not behave well with either |
| [03:16:35] | wagnerrp: | the first from simple bandwidth issues |
| [03:16:47] | wagnerrp: | the second because it doesnt maintain proper vsync |
| [03:17:01] | wagnerrp: | plus you tend to have funky issues with things like the gnome bar |
| [03:17:17] | wagnerrp: | granted, yours is better reason to run AIGLX than most |
| [03:17:35] | wagnerrp: | most want it to use that god awful "virtual desktops on a spinning box" |
| [03:18:43] | tlhiv_laptop: | perhaps you might have another solution to my bad scrolling in firefox then without AIGLX |
| [03:18:44] | wagnerrp: | as to why 4:3 stuff is stretching |
| [03:19:12] | wagnerrp: | if you didnt set a default zoom mode, and havent altered it presently with the 'w' button |
| [03:19:31] | wagnerrp: | the only thing i can think of is that AIGLX is somehow screwing up mythtv's ability to detect screen size |
| [03:19:57] | tlhiv_laptop: | i've read that others have issues sometimes with games going fullscreen with AIGLX |
| [03:20:02] | tlhiv_laptop: | probably not unrelated |
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| [04:09:35] | k-man: | cool a freind just found a set of 0.1g scales and gave them to me |
| [04:09:47] | k-man: | I can use it for measuring my coffee scoops |
| [04:10:07] | Beirdo: | ummm, that's pretty small scoops |
| [04:10:10] | [R]: | rofl |
| [04:10:22] | Beirdo: | I go through maybe 100g per pot |
| [04:10:34] | k-man: | really? cripoes |
| [04:11:04] | k-man: | I have an esspresso machine (which is currently shelved) and for that I used to do 2 scoops per extraction |
| [04:11:12] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:11:14] | k-man: | however I always wanted a more accurate way to measure the coffee |
| [04:11:31] | Beirdo: | s/coffee/white powder/ |
| [04:11:34] | k-man: | I'll have to get it out and do some experimenting |
| [04:11:46] | k-man: | coffee IS my white powder |
| [04:11:58] | Beirdo: | yeah, if you wanna be THAT precise, scales would work well |
| [04:12:31] | Beirdo: | heh, I drink like a pot a day on average, man. |
| [04:12:35] | k-man: | Beirdo, yeah – well it will be fun to experiment |
| [04:12:49] | Beirdo: | coffee is the drug of choice, I tell ya |
| [04:12:50] | k-man: | do you do drip coffee? |
| [04:12:55] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [04:13:09] | Beirdo: | or french press |
| [04:13:21] | k-man: | I do the later at work |
| [04:13:36] | k-man: | I make lebanese style at home, but drink it in a cup of hot milk |
| [04:13:44] | k-man: | its kinda weird but I like it |
| [04:14:36] | Beirdo: | lebanese style? |
| [04:14:46] | Beirdo: | would that be like Turkish? |
| [04:15:11] | Beirdo: | very fine (powdered) grind, boiled in a small pot? |
| [04:15:40] | k-man: | Beirdo, yeah, exactly |
| [04:15:51] | k-man: | I grind it myself in my burr grinder |
| [04:16:08] | k-man: | I think the lebanse make it with more water than the turks, but same idea |
| [04:16:45] | Beirdo: | don't drink the mud :) |
| [04:17:06] | k-man: | no, the trick is to let it settle befor pouring |
| [04:17:49] | Beirdo: | tasty mud. |
| [04:17:51] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:18:11] | mycosys: | and about 3 pounds of sugar per cup |
| [04:18:25] | Beirdo: | depends on who makes it, but yeah |
| [04:23:14] | k-man: | I don't take sugar in my coffee |
| [04:23:28] | k-man: | nor in tea either |
| [04:35:27] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:36:38] | wagnerrp: | whats the thing where if you install the nvidia drivers, it overwrites your opengl stuff? |
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| [04:51:26] | mycosys: | certain headers iirc wagnerrp |
| [04:52:15] | wagnerrp: | would that prevent something from operating on a non-nvidia system? |
| [04:53:14] | wagnerrp: | using aiglx on a remote server |
| [04:55:06] | mycosys: | dont think so – if i am understanding you |
| [04:55:23] | mycosys: | prevents non nvidia drivers from working on that kernel later |
| [04:55:29] | wagnerrp: | my frontends are linux/nvidia systems |
| [04:55:42] | wagnerrp: | im wondering if that would prevent indirect opengl use on a remote x server |
| [05:07:51] | lapion: | wagnerrp you are using remote-X protocol ? |
| [05:08:08] | wagnerrp: | no, im using X protocol |
| [05:08:16] | wagnerrp: | there is no such thing as remote X protocol |
| [05:08:53] | lapion: | I mean are you using X-protocol to connect to a remote X-server ? |
| [05:09:00] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [05:09:44] | lapion: | cool.. not may people do that anymore, mostly peopl think vnc is the only option |
| [05:10:10] | wagnerrp: | and its a shame that is giving us trash like weyland |
| [05:14:45] | lapion: | pople keep trying to reinvent the wheel |
| [05:14:50] | lapion: | people |
| [05:15:06] | wagnerrp: | reinventing the wheel is fine when there is a purpose |
| [05:15:17] | wagnerrp: | but network transparency is such a fantastic feature, its a shame to use |
| [05:15:45] | wagnerrp: | s/use/lose/ |
| [05:18:12] | lapion: | anyhow time to go to sleep.. |
| [05:18:36] | lapion: | btw the same people that bring us userfriendly linux are killing it... |
| [05:18:54] | wagnerrp: | thats not user friendly linux |
| [05:18:59] | wagnerrp: | thats mobile friendly linux |
| [05:19:09] | lapion: | I forgot to quote that one.. |
| [05:20:15] | lapion: | no linux developer is using unity, how does anyone think it's ever going to get any real debugging done.. |
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| [05:20:40] | wagnerrp: | if no one is using it, who is writing it? |
| [05:21:55] | lapion: | outside of ubuntu unity developers that is |
| [05:25:33] | lapion: | So I gather you are a unity user ? |
| [05:25:56] | wagnerrp: | never touched it or ubuntu |
| [05:26:02] | wagnerrp: | im a freebsd type |
| [05:26:16] | wagnerrp: | linux is for bitches |
| [05:27:53] | wagnerrp: | shame |
| [05:28:15] | wagnerrp: | seems that site has expired, and oddly been picked up to shill translation software |
| [05:29:31] | wagnerrp: | http://chrislaco.com/blog/linux-is-for-bitches/ |
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| [06:17:36] | quotemstr: | Is it possible to use MythTV as a DLNA server for videos? |
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| [06:20:22] | [R]: | it does that by default with mythvideo |
| [06:20:27] | [R]: | but its pretty crappy |
| [06:20:37] | quotemstr: | Ah, too bad. |
| [06:21:13] | wagnerrp: | well, its crappy in the manner that DLNA itself is much more limited than a real mythfrontend |
| [06:21:34] | quotemstr: | Sure, but my TV supports it and I don't have a separate box to dedicate to MythTV yet. |
| [06:22:01] | wagnerrp: | you will have access to any recordings, any music, and any video content in mythtv |
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| [07:00:50] | Beirdo: | well, looks like I now have no production frontend |
| [07:01:15] | Beirdo: | it seems the power supply fried itself |
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| [07:02:01] | Beirdo: | stupid small case |
| [07:02:23] | Beirdo: | it's been off for 5min and it still almost burns my hand |
| [07:02:42] | shervinkh145: | hi.when i press watch tv in mythtv it gets stuck in please wait |
| [07:02:43] | shervinkh145: | http://pastebin.com/7C0fYany |
| [07:02:52] | laga: | Beirdo: perhaps it just needs a new fan |
| [07:03:09] | Beirdo: | and here I was thinking that nasty smell was some idiot burning plastic outside |
| [07:03:15] | Beirdo: | no, it's fubar |
| [07:03:27] | Beirdo: | it's not a normal power supply |
| [07:04:02] | shervinkh145: | please help! |
| [07:05:54] | shervinkh145: | no body can help? |
| [07:06:36] | Beirdo: | shervinkh145: cool your yets |
| [07:06:40] | Beirdo: | jets even |
| [07:07:22] | Beirdo: | this is IRC... have some patience :) |
| [07:07:47] | shervinkh145: | OK |
| [07:08:53] | Beirdo: | first off, what version? |
| [07:10:24] | shervinkh145: | mmm, i don't know exactly.but i think it is the newest one.i installed it yesterday |
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| [07:11:58] | Beirdo: | mythfrontend --version |
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| [07:18:28] | leo145: | sorry i disconected for a minute.have anyone replied to me? |
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| [07:33:32] | Beirdo: | laga: yeah, I think the fan seized, but it's toast now |
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| [07:34:36] | Beirdo: | it's a little TFX power supply |
| [07:34:43] | laga: | Beirdo: too bad. i got handed down an old server whose fan had seized.. was still going strong |
| [07:34:50] | laga: | Beirdo: you still have the small antec case? |
| [07:36:31] | Beirdo: | nope |
| [07:36:39] | Beirdo: | this is a smaller case (Foxconn) |
| [07:37:25] | Beirdo: | not terribly impressed... it smelled like burning plastic... I guess that was the electronics plus the carpet |
| [07:38:41] | laga: | well, if it burns, then it burns |
| [07:39:12] | Beirdo: | yeah |
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| [07:40:36] | Beirdo: | so I'll see if there are any more useful computers in the bonepile at work |
| [07:40:38] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [07:40:50] | Beirdo: | if not, I guess I'll order a replacement powersupply |
| [07:40:57] | Beirdo: | grumble. |
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| [08:10:39] | lapion: | hello, I keep getting a failure whenever I archive any files .. |
| [08:10:46] | lapion: | I get the following error: |
| [08:10:51] | lapion: | QSqlDatabasePrivate::removeDatabase: connection 'DBManager0' is still in use, all queries will cease to work. |
| [08:13:48] | lapion: | and the next time I enter the archiver the list is prefilled with the files from the last time. |
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| [08:42:02] | lapion: | it seems to be an iceauth problem anyone know anything about it ? |
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| [08:48:02] | mindphlux: | Hi. Is mythweb web streaming already usable in trunk? |
| [08:50:53] | lapion: | oops sorry no the mytharchive problem has nothing to do with iceauth |
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| [10:43:31] | k-man: | in which lircrc should I configure mplayer settings, for when mplayer is launched by mythvideo? |
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| [14:43:42] | drindt: | the table eit_cache is marked as crashed, and will not repaired from mysql when i to REPAIR TABLE, so my question is can i drop them and CREATE it new? |
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| [14:48:47] | iamlindoro: | why would you drop it when you can just truncate it? |
| [14:49:15] | iamlindoro: | dropping it introduces a strong chance of you breaking the schema, truncate just clears it |
| [14:49:25] | drindt: | iamlindoro: i havent tried to truncate them, was not sure if its working |
| [14:49:37] | iamlindoro: | if what's working? |
| [14:49:54] | drindt: | i am not sure what is not working there so i thought that drop and recreation is the best way |
| [14:50:10] | iamlindoro: | no, that's never the best way |
| [14:50:28] | drindt: | i have made an extended repair that does the job |
| [14:50:49] | iamlindoro: | If the table is crashed and a repair fails, truncate, run another repair, and you will be fine |
| [14:52:04] | drindt: | ok thanks |
| [14:53:20] | iamlindoro: | Note that a truncate is safe on that particular table, but if you ever see this issue with other tables, there may be more repair steps required |
| [14:53:49] | iamlindoro: | but since the eit cache data is transient and is automatically recreated, simply truncating and repairing ot remove the crashed flag is enough |
| [14:53:56] | drindt: | yes i guessed that because cache tables should neglectable data containing |
| [14:54:33] | drindt: | seems that its now ok i have to wait if the new eit is comming |
| [14:54:36] | iamlindoro: | Well that is a big bowl of word soup |
| [14:57:23] | wagnerrp: | why is ffmpeg rebuilding... |
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| [15:22:22] | wagnerrp: | it seems the 'break' in a switch statement is insufficient to define scope |
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| [15:26:56] | wagnerrp: | you know.... the xbmc wiki really needs some better moderators |
| [15:27:31] | wagnerrp: | theres nothing more amusing than some user removing spam, but not having the right to ban the spammer |
| [15:27:43] | wagnerrp: | only to have the spammer come back and hit the 'undo' on their cleanup |
| [15:30:54] | iamlindoro: | As you know, moderation is not without its own pitfalls-- namely, having to justify everything we administratively do |
| [15:31:13] | iamlindoro: | It's easy to see why the XBMC folks might just plain give up rather than constantly argue with clueless editors |
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| [15:40:57] | wagnerrp: | this thing just doesnt like any form of variable initialization within a switch statement |
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| [17:06:07] | oobe: | I couldn’t build master using gcc 4.6 so I left it a few days not knowing what was wrong then just tried 4.5 and it builds fine |
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| [17:06:23] | oobe: | this was the error message http://pastebin.com/Rgfii7tg |
| [17:07:42] | wagnerrp: | distclean |
| [17:08:24] | wagnerrp: | the makefile was bad |
| [17:08:40] | wagnerrp: | likely switching to gcc4.6 somehow triggered an update |
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| [17:16:46] | oobe: | are you saying it didnt matter that I switched all I had to do was 'make distclean' |
| [17:17:04] | oobe: | I have another problem now mbe seems to crash http://pastebin.com/w3CzvAgQ |
| [17:23:22] | wagnerrp: | yes, thats my guess |
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| [17:24:08] | oobe: | any idea what I should do about mbe crashing |
| [17:24:12] | wagnerrp: | master or slave backend? |
| [17:24:19] | oobe: | master |
| [17:24:40] | oobe: | and Im rebuilding now with 4.6 after a distclean not that it should affect it |
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| [17:43:24] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [17:43:35] | Beirdo: | so I may have a replacement frontend as soon as tonight |
| [17:44:09] | wagnerrp: | replacement for what? |
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| [17:44:28] | Beirdo: | for my production frontend which fried its power supply last night |
| [17:45:03] | Beirdo: | stupid little TFX power supply |
| [17:45:26] | Beirdo: | I think the fan seized, and therefore it fried itself |
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| [17:45:51] | Beirdo: | hope I can find the fullsize backplate for the video card still ;) |
| [17:46:24] | EvilGuru: | Beirdo: What do you mean by full-sized backplate? |
| [17:46:45] | wagnerrp: | full height, half height |
| [17:46:54] | wagnerrp: | he has a slim video card that came with two backplates |
| [17:47:07] | wagnerrp: | one for mounting against full height slots, one for mounting against half height slots |
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| [17:47:40] | Beirdo: | yeah, sorry, was receiving my replacement box :) |
| [17:51:47] | Beirdo: | blargh |
| [17:51:58] | Beirdo: | Python 2.7.2 will not install on my Vista VM |
| [17:52:27] | Beirdo: | not my day, it seems |
| [17:54:52] | jrr: | so the other day they updated chrome os with a netflix plugin |
| [17:55:23] | jrr: | this gives me hopes that chrome browser on linux may be given (or be hacked to be given) the same functionality |
| [17:56:54] | wagnerrp: | if you remember, iamli ndoro tried it yesterday, and was unable to use netflix instant in linux |
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| [18:12:57] | Beirdo: | Nice. Core2 Duo E6750. (2.66GHz) |
| [18:13:06] | Beirdo: | not bad for coming from the trash pile |
| [18:15:36] | wagnerrp: | indeed |
| [18:16:21] | oobe: | I decided to restore my backup of .24 database and Im building .24 again now was a nice look at what's to come though |
| [18:16:25] | Beirdo: | they have a buttload of Dell 520s too, but this is the only 755 |
| [18:24:01] | wagnerrp: | only 12 left |
| [18:24:10] | wagnerrp: | any bets on what ticket 10k will be? |
| [18:24:29] | wagnerrp: | patch? crash? random bug? duplicate? invalid? |
| [18:24:51] | wagnerrp: | one of the dozens of bits of daily spam finally makes it through the filters? |
| [18:33:15] | oobe: | hey is there a replacement script for myth.find_orphans.pl |
| [18:33:31] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [18:33:51] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Statistically, the answer is "invalid" |
| [18:34:03] | iamlindoro: | with a close followup of "dupe, user doesn't read commits" |
| [18:36:38] | oobe: | what it called |
| [18:40:36] | wagnerrp: | find_orphans.py |
| [18:42:02] | oobe: | is it in contrib I cant find it |
| [18:42:26] | iamlindoro: | We don't use contrib any more, scripts are kept on the wiki |
| [18:43:33] | Beirdo: | muhhahaha. 8GB RAM. |
| [18:43:48] | oobe: | ok thanks |
| [18:46:44] | laga: | Beirdo: that's faster than my desktop box -.- |
| [18:48:32] | Beirdo: | heh. And for the best price too |
| [18:49:49] | Beirdo: | impeccable timing... I asked just as they were going to restock the bonepile with crap |
| [18:53:02] | wagnerrp: | bonepile? |
| [18:54:10] | stuartm: | where old kit goes to die |
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| [18:54:29] | Beirdo: | yeah, the recycling area. |
| [18:54:43] | Beirdo: | when computers and parts end up there, they are free for pilfering |
| [18:54:48] | wagnerrp: | thats old stuff? |
| [18:54:50] | stuartm: | or be torn apart by vultures, which I suppose is the more accurate explanation for the name |
| [18:54:51] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [18:54:58] | Beirdo: | out of warranty |
| [18:55:07] | Beirdo: | oh, do we ever vulture them :) |
| [18:55:13] | wagnerrp: | sheesh |
| [18:55:21] | EvilGuru: | I am just looking at the change log for 0.25 and see that there is now pass-thru support for newer audio formats. What are the advantages compared to software decoding and LPCM? |
| [18:55:26] | Beirdo: | Corporate Waste = My advantage |
| [18:55:30] | wagnerrp: | seems they should get longer warranty |
| [18:55:43] | EvilGuru: | I thought the only purpose for pass-thru was because S/P-DIF does not support 6 channel LPCM |
| [18:55:55] | Beirdo: | yeah, you'd think |
| [18:56:03] | wagnerrp: | EvilGuru: actually, SPDIF doesnt support passthrough of those other formats either |
| [18:56:03] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: it's a good way for a firm to save money, since they don't have to pay for it to be recycled by outside contractors |
| [18:56:11] | Beirdo: | most of them in htere are single core P4 (Optiplex 520) |
| [18:56:23] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: But it does do AC-3 and DTS, no? |
| [18:56:35] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [18:56:54] | EvilGuru: | But HDMI can do 8 channel LPCM, so why would one want pass-thru? |
| [18:57:10] | Beirdo: | this box, although much bigger than what it's replacing, will keep much cooler |
| [18:57:23] | wagnerrp: | remove a bit of decoding load on the desktop |
| [18:57:37] | wagnerrp: | perhaps the receiver unit actually capable of HD audio has better decoders than we have in software |
| [18:58:02] | wagnerrp: | perhaps with the unaltered stream, it can do better acoustic transforms to map to the room |
| [18:58:03] | wagnerrp: | i dont know... |
| [18:58:37] | wagnerrp: | but cards that dont do HD audio passthrough dont do 8-channel LPCM either |
| [18:58:41] | wagnerrp: | so the question is really moot |
| [19:00:00] | EvilGuru: | Right. |
| [19:23:21] | oobe: | mythtv .24 segfaults whenever I try to play wmv files it only started happening recently though so I know its a system change with updates |
| [19:23:37] | oobe: | any idea what package updates could cause this? |
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| [19:47:00] | stuartm: | mythfrontend |
| [19:47:23] | stuartm: | actually, mythtv-libs or whatever your packager calls it |
| [19:48:03] | stuartm: | oobe: if you grab a backtrace we can do more than just guess |
| [19:48:41] | oobe: | stuartm, it started when I was using packages so I switched to source |
| [19:52:15] | oobe: | stuartm, this is a pastebin I made with mythavtest -v all http://pastebin.com/PkBTPhBK |
| [19:52:26] | oobe: | I dont know how to do a backtrace |
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| [19:54:10] | oobe: | ok im looking on the wiki |
| [19:54:28] | oobe: | I will build a new version of mythtv with debugging enabled |
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| [20:33:02] | wagnerrp: | so dont play wmv files... :) |
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| [21:02:33] | beata000: | so I am trying to get LIRC working again after upgrading my system and getting lirc 0.9.0 working. I have it mostly working with devinput module. However, for every button i press, myth acts like i pressed it twice. Running irw at the same time shows only 1 keypress. any ideas as to why myth would see 2 keypress? |
| [21:03:32] | laga: | beata000: X itself is also reacting to the keypresses |
| [21:04:23] | beata000: | so how would I stop that? or should I just get rid of my mythtv config? |
| [21:06:37] | laga: | i believe you can make X ignore the device or tell lirc to claim the device completely. but the finer details have escaped my mind, it's been a few years. |
| [21:07:11] | beata000: | off to reaserch that, thanks for the help |
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| [21:21:34] | wagnerrp: | wtf... |
| [21:21:40] | wagnerrp: | im looking at a traceback |
| [21:21:49] | wagnerrp: | but its claiming its failing at an #ifdef |
| [21:28:58] | lapion: | wagnerrp, any idea why mytharchive might not be able to open files over a network that are playable by mythtv ? |
| [21:29:34] | wagnerrp: | because mytharchive is currently not designed to pull content over the network |
| [21:31:07] | lapion: | the files are on a mounted fs.. |
| [21:31:29] | wagnerrp: | you just said it couldnt access them over the network |
| [21:32:19] | wagnerrp: | if the files are mounted to the local filesystem, then for all purposes besides performance, they are now local |
| [21:32:30] | wagnerrp: | mythtv doesnt know the difference, and couldnt care anyway |
| [21:32:42] | wagnerrp: | are they mounted in the same exact place that they are on the remote backned? |
| [21:32:45] | lapion: | even files on a local usb drive.... |
| [21:33:23] | lapion: | the backend and the frontend are running on the same system.... |
| [21:34:02] | wagnerrp: | so where does the network come into play at all? |
| [21:35:27] | lapion: | well seeing as it isn't even working for a local usb drive the network is irrelevant.. however the first time I was trying I was working on files on a smb/cifs mounted fs.. |
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| [21:36:07] | wagnerrp: | these are all files listed in directories defined in mythtv-setup? |
| [21:36:52] | lapion: | yes |
| [21:37:41] | lapion: | playback-able from the menu |
| [21:37:53] | wagnerrp: | in that case, it should work... might want to ask paulh |
| [21:38:07] | wagnerrp: | im still going to bet its some sort of configuration issue |
| [21:40:23] | lapion: | whenever I archive recordings I do get a complete dvd with files however I allways get an error that it did not finish successfully.. |
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| [21:43:57] | lapion: | wiht the following errors: 2011-08–12 23:43:09.279 Native archive job failed to completed |
| [21:43:58] | lapion: | QSqlDatabasePrivate::removeDatabase: connection 'DBManager0' is still in use, all queries will cease to work. |
| [21:45:06] | lapion: | however the resulting archive-dvd seems to be correctly generated |
| [21:45:25] | lapion: | I have to go afk laters |
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| [22:06:53] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: are we the exception that spam on our site only lasts a couple hours? |
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| [22:15:31] | marsilainen: | hi all... I've been suggested on this channel that I needed something more powerful than atom/ion for me needs and I have heeded these warnings :) |
| [22:15:42] | marsilainen: | I am now investigating which tuner to get |
| [22:16:35] | marsilainen: | it's been suggested on here that the silicondust hdhomerun has superior quality tuners compared to usb stick devices (hauppage wintv nova-td etc) – does anyone have more info on this? |
| [22:17:10] | marsilainen: | the hdhomerun costs double that of a usb device – is there a noticable quality improvement? |
| [22:17:48] | wagnerrp: | it has two tuners |
| [22:17:57] | marsilainen: | yeah, so do some of the usb ones |
| [22:18:05] | marsilainen: | I plan on dual tuner on whichever |
| [22:18:11] | wagnerrp: | the issue with USB tuners isnt the quality of the tuner |
| [22:18:14] | wagnerrp: | its the quality of USB |
| [22:18:16] | marsilainen: | oh |
| [22:18:18] | wagnerrp: | and usb in general sucks |
| [22:18:20] | marsilainen: | hmmm |
| [22:18:34] | marsilainen: | I was told that the tuner is better quality in the hdhomerun |
| [22:18:41] | wagnerrp: | its fine for non-vital peripherals |
| [22:18:42] | marsilainen: | in what way is the usb an issue? |
| [22:18:48] | wagnerrp: | it sucks |
| [22:18:53] | marsilainen: | yes, in what way? :) |
| [22:19:01] | wagnerrp: | its suckiness |
| [22:19:04] | marsilainen: | haha |
| [22:19:07] | marsilainen: | good argument :) |
| [22:19:10] | marsilainen: | is it too slow? |
| [22:19:14] | marsilainen: | is it too flackey? |
| [22:19:25] | marsilainen: | is it too sticky-outy? |
| [22:19:26] | marsilainen: | :) |
| [22:19:27] | wagnerrp: | USB is host driven, cheap, and prone to strange hardware and driver failures |
| [22:19:50] | marsilainen: | so usb tuner cards tend to cause recording failures randomly? |
| [22:20:05] | wagnerrp: | it was perfectly fine when all people were using it for were mice, keyboards, printers... |
| [22:20:08] | wagnerrp: | low bandwidth stuff |
| [22:20:29] | wagnerrp: | once they tried to compete with firewire, it showed its true colors |
| [22:20:38] | wagnerrp: | ive never been able to use a USB hard drive on linux |
| [22:20:49] | wagnerrp: | sooner or later, it always caused a panic |
| [22:21:02] | marsilainen: | and if I bought the network hdhomerun then I should have no issues with that? |
| [22:21:06] | wagnerrp: | meanwhile the same drive in the same case using firewire never had any problems, and ran double the speed |
| [22:21:31] | wagnerrp: | people have reported usb tuners just arbitrarily dropping from the system |
| [22:21:58] | wagnerrp: | and if nothing else, youve got some big funky stick hanging off your case and ready to get snapped off |
| [22:22:28] | marsilainen: | not so bothered about that – since it would probably be on a little extension cable hidden away |
| [22:22:45] | marsilainen: | and in that respect the hdhomerun is a bigger box to hide away with power supply etc... |
| [22:23:09] | wagnerrp: | true, but what are you planning to hook the HDHR into? |
| [22:23:18] | marsilainen: | what is hdhr? |
| [22:23:28] | wagnerrp: | hdhomerun |
| [22:23:39] | marsilainen: | freeview antenna |
| [22:23:49] | marsilainen: | then network into switch |
| [22:23:54] | wagnerrp: | and where will this antenna be located? |
| [22:23:56] | marsilainen: | and mythtv into same switch |
| [22:24:05] | marsilainen: | antenna is on the roof |
| [22:24:11] | marsilainen: | connection in the wall |
| [22:24:28] | wagnerrp: | is there a shorter access to the antenna? say in the attic? |
| [22:25:26] | wagnerrp: | one of the great things about the HDHR is that you can stick it where ever you want |
| [22:25:30] | wagnerrp: | you dont need it close to your backend |
| [22:25:37] | wagnerrp: | so if you have access to the antenna in the attic |
| [22:25:50] | marsilainen: | I have no access to attic I'm afraid |
| [22:25:58] | marsilainen: | (I live in a rented basement flat) |
| [22:25:59] | wagnerrp: | youve got just a couple feeeeet of transmission line that can attenuate the signal |
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| [22:26:32] | marsilainen: | using the antenna into the tv down here I do seem to get a good signal |
| [22:26:39] | marsilainen: | I never see artefacts etc |
| [22:26:47] | wagnerrp: | one of the big issues with the HDHR is that it has two antenna inputs |
| [22:26:55] | marsilainen: | so the strength of the signal seems good at least |
| [22:27:05] | marsilainen: | it does? |
| [22:27:10] | wagnerrp: | people just get a splitter, run the signal to both not understanding that splitter more than half the signal |
| [22:27:21] | marsilainen: | what are the other options? |
| [22:27:22] | wagnerrp: | and then complain when they dont pick up a good signal as compared to a single tuner |
| [22:27:39] | wagnerrp: | the new hdhr comes with a single antenna input and an internal amplifier, so it doesnt have that issue |
| [22:27:48] | wagnerrp: | and as i understand it, the new unit comes with better tuners anyhow |
| [22:29:48] | marsilainen: | ok |
| [22:30:12] | marsilainen: | so you'd still recommend that over usb? |
| [22:30:24] | wagnerrp: | absolutely |
| [22:30:30] | marsilainen: | ok |
| [22:30:31] | wagnerrp: | i have a distaste for usb |
| [22:30:37] | marsilainen: | I noticed :) |
| [22:31:13] | marsilainen: | credit card bill will be expensive this month :) |
| [22:31:35] | marsilainen: | think I'd better wait for a month or two before I can afford to look for a new girlfriend :) |
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| [22:36:26] | azexian: | I have a dvb-s card but no satellite, can I connect it to my standard tv antenna and get terrestrial tv? |
| [22:37:13] | wagnerrp: | does your card support DVB-T? |
| [22:37:41] | azexian: | I'm not sure, the connection is coax not beling, but I have a converter |
| [22:37:57] | wagnerrp: | what is your card? |
| [22:38:00] | azexian: | it's a compro s350 |
| [22:38:34] | azexian: | uses the saa7134 driver |
| [22:38:49] | wagnerrp: | looks like DVB-S only, so no |
| [22:39:16] | azexian: | ok, so it won't scan on anything other than sat frequencies? |
| [22:39:41] | wagnerrp: | it will simply not work |
| [22:39:47] | wagnerrp: | if you want DVB-T, you need to buy a new tuner |
| [22:40:41] | azexian: | ok, didn't realise that you had to own a satellite for the dvb-s ones, guess I'll have to buy another one, any suggestions of |
| [22:40:51] | azexian: | good cards |
| [22:41:05] | wagnerrp: | well you dont have to own a satellite for the DVB-S cards |
| [22:41:11] | wagnerrp: | but you do have to own a satellite dish |
| [22:42:02] | marsilainen: | lol |
| [22:42:14] | azexian: | lol ok, so which card? |
| [22:42:22] | wagnerrp: | one that supports DVB-T |
| [22:42:38] | azexian: | good start |
| [22:42:49] | azexian: | such as? |
| [22:43:07] | wagnerrp: | i dont use DVB-T so im not really in a position to suggest |
| [22:43:19] | azexian: | ok, is there any point getting a dvb-s2 one, or are they badly supported? |
| [22:43:35] | wagnerrp: | they work just fine, theyre just generally expensive |
| [22:43:56] | wagnerrp: | and you still need a satellite dish, and satellites to pull from |
| [22:44:07] | azexian: | sorry I means t2 |
| [22:44:13] | azexian: | mean* |
| [22:44:28] | wagnerrp: | are there any t2 tuners available? |
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| [22:45:24] | azexian: | yeah there's a few about but I didn't think they were well supported |
| [22:45:40] | azexian: | for freeview hd etc, all the channels seem to be moving to it, expensive by the looks of things |
| [22:45:41] | wagnerrp: | well we dont support them, we just support the API |
| [22:45:55] | wagnerrp: | linuxtv supports the actual tuners |
| [22:45:58] | wagnerrp: | !url tuners |
| [22:45:58] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [22:47:10] | azexian: | alright then, I'll have to do better research and buy my second card, thanks for the help =) |
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