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Thursday, August 11th, 2011, 00:05 UTC
[00:05:36] Beirdo: grrr
[00:05:48] Beirdo: gonna have to kick that computer in the bolts again tonight
[00:06:14] Beirdo: I switched it from dhcp to static IP... and I think dhclient is still running
[00:06:25] Beirdo: screw you, ubuntu!
[00:08:24] wagnerrp: thats what you get for using something that does everything for you
[00:08:47] Beirdo: but I didn't use networkmangler
[00:09:04] ICM^: I keep getting "This version of MythTV requires an updated database. (schema is 10 versions behind). Please run mythtv-setup or mythbackend to update your database." — I don't see how to do it from mythtv-setup?
[00:10:32] wagnerrp: yes, because you are running a 0.24 frontend against a 0.23.1 backend
[00:10:42] wagnerrp: you need to upgrade one or downgrade the other
[00:11:46] ICM^: Bad way of thinking, I know, but it is easier to downgrade the frontend
[00:12:14] tlhiv_laptop: it seems that mythtv by default runs X with multiple workspaces as CTRL+ALT+Left and CTRL+ALT+Right cycles between them ... is there a way to run MythTV on one workspace, and Gnome, say on another?
[00:12:42] k-man: ICM^, fwiw, I have always found upgrading the backend to be painless
[00:12:52] wagnerrp: gnome and mythtv are not similar applications that one would be used in place of the other
[00:12:52] k-man: ICM^, but ymmv
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[00:13:31] ICM^: yeah. i don't have a ton of time to dedicate to futzing with it. I just want to get my laptop as quickly as possible. I can upgrade them both back up later if I so desire
[00:14:08] tlhiv_laptop: wagnerrp: the point is not to use them in place of one another but instead on conjunction with one another
[00:14:36] k-man: ICM^, I would imagine downgrading the frondend would be trivial
[00:14:44] wagnerrp: gnome runs your virtual window manager
[00:14:46] k-man: ICM^, what distro/OS are you using?
[00:14:51] wagnerrp: without gnome, you wouldnt have those separate workspaces
[00:15:08] ICM^: the BE is running Ubuntu 11, the intended front-end is running Crunchbang linux (based off of debian)
[00:15:24] tlhiv_laptop: well in the case of myth, it seems that it's evilwm
[00:15:32] k-man: tlhiv_laptop, there might be a way of specifying mythfrontend to launch on a particular virtual workspace
[00:15:43] wagnerrp: tlhiv_laptop: its not evilwm, you just said it was gnome
[00:15:53] ICM^: I don't actually know how to downgrade the front-end cleanly, to be honest. I installed the package from debian multimedia, k-man
[00:16:03] k-man: unless it is somehow starting 2 X sessions?
[00:16:10] tlhiv_laptop: wagnerrp: i do have gnome installed and i would like to CTRL+ALT+Left/Right to go between mythtv and gnome
[00:16:20] kormoc: tlhiv_laptop, set your window manager to gnome
[00:16:25] k-man: ICM^, I expect soemthing like: aptitude purge mythtv-frontend
[00:16:43] k-man: ICM^, but then you have to work out if there is a package of the old version for you to install
[00:17:01] ICM^: I'm not finding one which is problematic
[00:17:08] wagnerrp: tlhiv_laptop: when you use ctrl-alt-left/right, you are telling gnome to cycle its virtual workspaces
[00:17:13] k-man: ICM^, which version package do you need?
[00:17:19] ICM^: 0.23.1
[00:17:24] wagnerrp: you cannot use mythtv INSTEAD OF gnome, because you have NEVER LEFT gnome
[00:17:27] kormoc: wagnerrp, my wager is he's running gnome in evilwm
[00:17:44] wagnerrp: kormoc: you can do such an abomination?
[00:17:53] kormoc: yes, you can
[00:19:05] k-man: tlhiv_laptop, what distro?
[00:20:40] k-man: ICM^, http://debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/m/mythtv/mythtv.php
[00:22:06] tlhiv_laptop: k-man: gentoo
[00:22:07] ICM^: k-man I'm guessing I want something on the order of: mythtv-frontend_0.23.1–0.0lenny2_i386.deb
[00:22:08] tlhiv_laptop: let me start over
[00:22:23] k-man: ICM^, yes
[00:22:47] k-man: ICM^, I think you can install it using aptitude directly – I'm just trying to remember the syntax
[00:22:53] tlhiv_laptop: i currently have a Gentoo machine with mythtv installed ... and it is setup for the mythtv user to log into X at bootup and ~/.xinitrc starts evilwm and mythfrontend
[00:23:03] k-man: ICM^, you might have to add a sources line but I'm still reading man pages about it
[00:23:28] tlhiv_laptop: i can also instead of evilwm and myhtfrontend put 'exec ck-launch-session gnome-session' in .xinitrc and gnome will start instead of mythtv
[00:23:46] tlhiv_laptop: i would like to have them both running if possible
[00:24:00] k-man: ICM^, pastebin the output of apt-cache policy mythtv-frontend
[00:24:36] ICM^: it's the squeeze version (0.24.1–0.0squeeze1)
[00:24:42] k-man: tlhiv_laptop, do you want them both running in the same X session?
[00:24:44] kormoc: tlhiv_laptop, Evilvm and gnome are both window managers. Setup gnome as the default window manager and have the .xinitrc just run starts and mythtv rather then evilwm
[00:25:35] ICM^: k-man I added debian-multimedia to my /etc/apt/sources.list, and it says 'squeeze', so perhaps if I add the lenny instead, it'll install mythtv-frontend 0.23.1 instead
[00:25:55] tlhiv_laptop: k-man: preferably (on different workspaces), but i'm not sure if that's possible
[00:26:18] tlhiv_laptop: that is, mythfrontend on the 1st workspace and the gnome desktop on the other
[00:26:26] k-man: ICM^, I think that should work – as long as you don't need other packages from multimedia/squeeze?
[00:26:34] ICM^: nah
[00:26:44] k-man: ICM^, tias then :)
[00:27:09] ICM^: Broken package :(
[00:27:21] k-man: hmm...
[00:27:32] tlhiv_laptop: kormoc: i didn't think gnome was a window manager ... i thought is USED a window manager such as metacity or compiz, etc.
[00:27:34] k-man: did you purge the old one before changing the sources.list?
[00:27:57] ICM^: I did apt purge mythtv-frontend, yeah
[00:28:08] k-man: ICM^, make sure all mythtv packages are purged
[00:28:17] ** kormoc shrugs **
[00:28:20] ICM^: I'm doing apt-get autoremove now
[00:30:07] k-man: ICM^, dpkg --get-selections | awk '$2 ~/^install$/ {print $1}' | grep myth
[00:30:17] ICM^: darn. Still says "Some packages could not be installed. ..." "The following packages have unmet dependencies: myth-frontend : Depends: libmyth-0.23.1–0 (>= 0.23.1) but is not going to be installed"
[00:30:47] k-man: ICM^, I think because its from a different version of debian, you may have to explicitly install all the packages it needs
[00:31:02] k-man: so try apt-get install myth-frontend libmyth-0.23.1–0
[00:31:16] ICM^: running that gommand you gave me just put out one line: libmythes-1.2–0
[00:31:19] k-man: and make sure you purge any previously installed libmyths first
[00:31:31] k-man: ICM^, yeah, purge that package too
[00:31:36] k-man: oh
[00:31:37] k-man: hang on
[00:31:43] ICM^: that's a thesaurus library
[00:31:47] k-man: yes sorry
[00:31:55] k-man: I was a bit hasty there – leave that package
[00:32:06] ICM^: it's fine :P my first thought was 'MythTV spanish!' but I looked it up real quick
[00:32:35] k-man: ICM^, try just installing libmyth-0.23.1–0
[00:32:39] k-man: see if that works?
[00:33:58] ICM^: unfortunately that spits out 3 more packages, that are "not installable"
[00:34:07] k-man: which ones?
[00:34:19] ICM^: (libdirectfb-1.0–0, libfaad0, librawl1394–8)
[00:34:28] tlhiv_laptop: wow ... it was as easy as running gnome and having gnome start mythfrontend at startup ... it places it on the first workspace and i can switch to the other workspace just like i like :-)
[00:34:32] k-man: ICM^, I think your options are limited for installing a prebuilt version – you may have to compile from source
[00:34:57] ICM^: that's the conclusion i'm coming to, k-man, lol. I hope it's not too difficult
[00:35:27] k-man: ICM^, can you not upgrade the BE? really that would be the best approach
[00:35:47] ICM^: truth. I'm on Ubuntu 11, I'm not sure if they've upgraded the package for it yet or not
[00:36:06] ICM^: Ubuntu 10, my bad
[00:37:04] k-man: ICM^, oh – no idea. I used to run the debian multimedia packages but I switched to compiling from source, and tbh, i've been very satisfied with that approach
[00:37:40] ICM^: you know what, for now, let's just compile from source on my laptop
[00:37:46] k-man: I run .24-fixes and never have any issues with recompiling and installing, the devs do a great job of making sure it works
[00:37:59] k-man: yeah try it
[00:38:55] ICM^: actually, k-man, would this work? http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppas/69
[00:39:02] ICM^: for updating the BE
[00:39:11] k-man: ICM^, you can go a long way towards installing all the dependencies by doing an apt-get build-dep mythtv-frontend
[00:39:46] ICM^: I just don't have a whole bunch of time, unfortunately
[00:40:01] k-man: ICM^, I am not familiar with ubuntu, I can't really tell if that would work
[00:40:12] k-man: ICM^, well, the apt-get build-dep will help a lot
[00:40:18] ICM^: okay. I think it should, using my best judgement I'm going to try it
[00:40:20] ICM^: what does build-dep do?
[00:40:39] k-man: it installs the depenencies for building a package
[00:41:08] k-man: so you are kind of using a shortcut – using debian-multimedia's list of dependencies to then build from source
[00:42:05] k-man: ICM^, why not try that link first- it looks simple enough
[00:42:25] ICM^: going through it now :)
[00:42:49] k-man: interesting – I didn't know about the add-apt-repositry command before
[00:43:15] ICM^: A little confused because it says
[00:43:17] ICM^: Setting up mythtv (2:0.24.1+fixes.20110806.cccad82–0ubuntu0mythbuntu2) ...
[00:43:35] ICM^: but then mythtv-backend --version still gives me 0.23.1
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[00:44:26] k-man: is it a fe only machine?
[00:44:48] ICM^: you mean BE only?
[00:45:01] k-man: oh – so you are updating the backend now?
[00:45:03] k-man: I'm confused
[00:45:05] ICM^: I just did this on my BE to attempt to update the BE, sorry
[00:45:23] k-man: apt-cache policy mythtv-backend
[00:46:06] ICM^: oh wait, running apt-get upgrade mythtv
[00:46:42] k-man: errr... I thought upgrade upgrads ALL packages
[00:46:54] k-man: it does not take a package name as a paramanter afaik
[00:47:33] k-man: to upgrade an installed package you use apt-get install <packagename>
[00:47:34] ICM^: that's update
[00:47:49] k-man: no
[00:48:00] k-man: read the man page, update refreshes the list of packages
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[00:48:23] ICM^: hm. must have been uptodate then, all it grabbed was mythtv packages
[00:48:59] k-man: please paste output of apt-cache policy mythtv-backend
[00:49:51] ICM^: http://pastebin.com/FZ3LMF6Z
[00:50:11] k-man: ok, you still have .23 installed
[00:50:24] ICM^: strange.
[00:50:28] k-man: aptitude install mythtv-backend
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[00:52:18] ICM^: yay, 0.24 is installed now it would seem
[00:52:22] ICM^: let's see if it broke anything locally
[00:53:04] ICM^: whoa! new menu!
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[00:53:39] k-man: ICM^, apt-cache policy is a useful command to remember – it shows you what is currently installed and what will be installed if you do an apt-get install of that package name
[00:54:04] ICM^: indeed, thank you. Now, the FE on the same box as the BE (as opposed to the one on my laptop--) sound no longer works
[00:54:31] k-man: hmm.. not sure about that – but there may be some settings that need tweeking
[00:54:38] k-man: in the frontend audio config
[00:54:43] k-man: ask on here
[00:55:14] ICM^: actually, it randomly crashes the first time you start it, it's strange
[00:55:57] k-man: ICM^, you did upgrade the FE on that machine also?
[00:56:04] k-man: apt-cache policy mythtv-frontend
[00:56:15] ICM^: yep
[00:56:42] ICM^: got sound to work, changed it from Alsa to pulse
[00:56:59] ICM^: time to test out on my laptop now :D
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[01:02:09] ICM^: That... that is beautiful...
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[01:02:27] ICM^: thank you so much for your help k-man, wagnerrp, and kormoc_afk
[01:02:34] ICM^: this is absolutely beautiful
[01:02:53] k-man: your welcome
[01:03:34] ICM^: <3 <3 <3
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[01:16:54] sphery: Beirdo / wagnerrp : Rather than split logpath into 2, I'd rather we just completely remove log file path support--just allow a log directory path. If using a log file path means they don't get any logging for child processes, I think there's no good reason for any user or packager to ever specify a log file path. (Also, when splitting them out would it be one for log directory path and one for log file path, or one for log directory ...
[01:17:00] sphery: ... path and one for log file name inside that log file path??? --in other words having 2 options becomes confusing and its only benefit is that it allows some users to do something /very/ bad which means they don't get logging info for some processes.)
[01:18:14] sphery: When I imagined a change to --logpath, I planned to use the file specified, but then also to create child process log files with "default" names in the same directory as the specified file, or if they specified a directory to just use "default" names for everything.
[01:18:33] sphery: the way we have it now, specifying a file name just does something very bad
[01:18:59] sphery: so I say remove it--and let the packagers update their start scripts appropriately :)
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[01:23:26] sphery: oh, and by, "so I say remove it," I'm not trying to say /you/ should do it--just that if you guys agree, I'd be happy to remove it
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[01:26:50] Dabian: wagnerrp: If $50 isn't cheap for USB dvb-c – what is?
[01:27:48] wagnerrp: the english devs generally talk about picking up tuners for ~20–25 pounds
[01:28:04] wagnerrp: T should be that cheap, C may not be
[01:28:08] Dabian: Isn't that about the same?
[01:28:52] wagnerrp: i didnt think the exchange rate was that far off
[01:29:14] Dabian: not sure about the rates.
[01:29:56] Dabian: oh .. i see
[01:30:29] Dabian: yeah ... 20 pounds is real cheap
[01:31:00] Dabian: esp. since I payed about $190 for my PVR500 not too many years ago.
[01:31:33] Dabian: 20 UK£ = 32.5
[01:31:43] Dabian: 20 UK£ = $32.5
[01:54:52] Dabian: I am guessing the driver that would support it, would be Em28xx. However, som say that because it combines DVB-T with DVB-C its not supported, is that correct?
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[01:58:56] Beirdo: OK, what is my frontend doing?
[01:59:20] Beirdo: no response to anything but ping... and the mythfrontend is still displayed
[01:59:45] clever: i sometimes get that when its swap/io bound
[01:59:59] clever: ping is within the kernel, but everything in userspace is hung
[02:00:11] Beirdo: my frontend never hits swap, and is never io bound either
[02:01:25] clever: could be something completely different thats causing userspace to hang
[02:01:32] Beirdo: stopped replying to SNMP at 2pm
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[02:01:38] Beirdo: I would say kernel panic
[02:01:52] clever: panic usualy stops everything, including ping replies
[02:02:37] Beirdo: no it doesn't
[02:02:52] Beirdo: it depends on what in the kernel craps
[02:03:20] clever: sure your not confusing an OOPS with a panic()?
[02:03:45] clever: i'm pretty sure a panic() call will print an error and then completely halt the cpu
[02:04:00] sphery: Since I switched to the linux-hhgttg branch, I haven't seen a single kernel panic
[02:04:28] Beirdo: time for a reset button
[02:04:51] Beirdo: hehe.... fsck time
[02:05:29] k-man: i've been fiddling with these hp servers I bought – they have this cool web interface built into a different network port on them, and via that web interface you can remotely reboot the machine even if it has hung
[02:06:35] Beirdo: and rebooted.
[02:06:50] Beirdo: k-man: ILOM. fun stuff. Too bad it uses Java :)
[02:07:08] Beirdo: at least it does in the DL160 and DL360
[02:07:41] Beirdo: so... reboot time, including full fsck... about 1min
[02:11:09] k-man: Beirdo, yeah, that is annoying – it worked fine for me in my home test environment – no idea how it would work when used in a real mission crytical scenario
[02:11:55] Beirdo: that frontend had an uptime of 277 days
[02:12:03] Beirdo: I guess it was due for a boot to the head
[02:12:03] k-man: hehe
[02:12:05] k-man: nice
[02:12:18] k-man: might as well upgrade the kernel while you are at it ;)
[02:12:53] wagnerrp: 277 days... what is that? november?
[02:15:13] sphery: date --date "+277 days"
[02:16:11] sphery: oh, uptime since 277 days ago... date --date "-277 days"
[02:16:13] Beirdo: Nov 5
[02:16:52] Beirdo: I have no desire to upgrade a working kernel on my frontend box. thanks :)
[02:17:26] sphery: um, if each kernel version fixes at least one bug, can you really say /any/ kernel is a "working" kernel?  :)
[02:17:57] sphery: that's like saying "a working MythTV system"
[02:18:35] Beirdo: I mean it's working. It ran without issue for 277 days, how bad can it be?
[02:18:42] sphery: heh
[02:18:58] Beirdo: and I don't feel like mucking with lirc
[02:19:01] wagnerrp: Beirdo: but now you can get the three-point-oh!
[02:19:05] sphery: I'm always proud to hit 30 days uptime
[02:19:09] wagnerrp: thats like... 15% betterer
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[02:20:06] sphery: but at least Linux 2.x had a symmetry with its license... now if 3.x goes GPL 3...
[02:20:18] Beirdo: heh
[02:20:35] Beirdo: toss another pound o' weed on the campfire
[02:22:33] k-man: Beirdo, well, clearly it fails once every 277 days
[02:22:44] wagnerrp: wait, is that why you really go camping so often?
[02:22:54] iamlindoro: bah, pet peeve, but I HATE when people post a question to the mailing list, and then the same question to every forum they can find
[02:23:04] k-man: is there talk that 3 will go gpl3? I thought linus was happy with gpl2?
[02:23:16] ** wagnerrp comes across a lightly toasted Beirdo in the woods **
[02:23:19] iamlindoro: As a bonus, I especially hate when the posting to forums comes after the person gets answers they don't like
[02:23:46] sphery: k-man: ttbomk, Linus was very outspoken against the GPL3
[02:23:48] wagnerrp: iamlindoro: where is that?
[02:23:58] iamlindoro: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1822137
[02:24:24] k-man: sphery, yes, that was what I thought too
[02:24:32] Beirdo: wagnerrp: hehe, no, we don't partake of herbs... past the eatin' kind... Now booze, that's another story altogether
[02:25:26] wagnerrp: iamlindoro: im more confused as to why i have to respond to the same exact 'what is a good system for mythtv' about once a week on mythtvtalk
[02:25:50] ** iamlindoro assumes the response is a hail of gunfire **
[02:26:08] sphery: wagnerrp: I heard a P4 3GHz with VMWare is perfect--I'm guessing that's what you tell them?
[02:26:16] Beirdo: heheh
[02:26:46] iamlindoro: wagnerrp: though apparently nobody at the mythbuntu forums caught on the the use of illegal software
[02:26:59] iamlindoro: or just don't care
[02:27:27] wagnerrp: or dont even know what sasc is
[02:27:43] wagnerrp: they seemed to be giving generic ubuntu configuration responses
[02:28:13] sphery: similar question made it to our lists?
[02:28:48] sphery: guess I could go catch up on -users list
[02:28:56] Beirdo: I know I gave stern warning to an sasc luser earlier
[02:29:17] sphery: first warning is a stern warning... 2nd is a sterno warning
[02:29:23] Beirdo: hehe
[02:29:38] Beirdo: 3rd is a gatling gun
[02:29:43] sphery: heh
[02:29:46] k-man: oh, I have never seen this mythtvtalk forum before
[02:30:29] tgm4883: iamlindoro, I haven't been on the forums in awhile, link?
[02:30:41] k-man: cripes – people still run .21?
[02:31:32] wagnerrp: people still run 0.20
[02:31:32] sphery: ok, and more importantly, how did the thread run so long on our lists without yet having gotten a "wrong forum" reminder
[02:32:06] Beirdo: people are crazy
[02:32:13] k-man: wagnerrp, really? blimey...
[02:32:30] sphery: tgm4883: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1822137
[02:33:15] sphery: is someone sending a reminder to -users list, too?
[02:33:37] sphery: (or is it my turn?)
[02:34:08] ** Beirdo hands over the ceremonial sawed-off shotgun to sphery **
[02:35:56] tgm4883: sphery, iamlindoro fixed
[02:36:41] iamlindoro: tgm4883: Thanks-- figured it was just that nobody had seen
[02:36:46] iamlindoro: My eye tracked over it first too
[02:40:34] ** sphery adds a patch to MythTV to crash all screensavers and disable DPMS on frontend startup **
[02:41:27] mag0o: hehe
[02:41:38] Beirdo: OMG.
[02:41:56] wagnerrp: ?
[02:42:01] Beirdo: a stupid public service commercial telling you to buy a lockbox to put your prescription meds in
[02:42:16] Beirdo: and put the lockbox on a high shelf in your linen closet
[02:42:46] hoolio: what's sasc?
[02:42:50] Beirdo: what teh heck is wrong with teens these days if they'll take random pills?
[02:43:14] k-man: did you guys ever watch The Young Ones?
[02:43:19] Beirdo: hoolio: software to do something forbidden to be spoken of here
[02:43:19] wagnerrp: hoolio: software to allow users to illegally access encrypted broadcasts
[02:43:23] wagnerrp: hence why it is a banned topic
[02:43:55] hoolio: okies. it's an acronym i presume?
[02:44:14] wagnerrp: no clue
[02:44:21] Beirdo: I dunno. is grep an acronym?
[02:44:33] tgm4883: hoolio, yes it stands for Sasc sAsc saSc sasC
[02:44:46] hoolio: :)
[02:44:52] k-man: Gnu REgular exPression?
[02:45:04] Beirdo: it was around before gnu
[02:45:09] sphery: global regular expression parser
[02:45:09] k-man: hmm..
[02:45:16] tgm4883: Beirdo, it was around before gnu too
[02:45:24] k-man: ah that sounds plausible
[02:45:50] dewman: i never talk about Senate Armed Services Committee (sasc) they are all crooks
[02:45:55] ** tgm4883 goes back to doing bad things to his frontend **
[02:46:11] Beirdo: tgm4883: use protection...
[02:46:20] tgm4883: lol
[02:46:36] dewman: tgm4883, and plenty of thermal grease
[02:47:26] wagnerrp: careful now, that stuff hardens over time
[02:47:59] sphery: Beirdo: according to wikipedia, it's: g/re/p , ed for "global / regular expression / print"
[02:48:07] sphery: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grep
[02:48:14] Beirdo: hehe
[02:49:07] wagnerrp: and wikipedia is never wrong
[02:49:32] Beirdo: except when it is
[02:50:06] sphery: http://wikipedia-is-wrong.com/ (not that I'm endorsing the site)
[02:50:52] k-man: funny how the origin of the names of programs and files gets lost
[02:51:11] Beirdo: or get made up after the fact :)
[02:51:14] k-man: like what do the letters rc stand for in many config file names
[02:51:18] k-man: Beirdo, yeah
[02:51:40] Beirdo: really cool, of course
[02:52:14] k-man: no, I think it's Remote Control
[02:52:38] squidly: does it really matter the name of the mysql data for myth? or does it need to be named mythconverge?
[02:53:03] Beirdo: I hope not, the default is mythconverg
[02:53:32] squidly: Beirdo: ok I thought so. I wanted to try soemthing out and name the database mythtv
[02:53:45] squidly: where did the ame mythconverg come from?
[02:54:01] ** Beirdo shrugs **
[02:54:46] mag0o: mythical convergance of the media center?
[02:54:50] iamlindoro: yup
[02:55:02] ** mag0o gets a cookie today! **
[02:55:24] ** squidly goes and get some ice cream :D **
[02:55:25] ** iamlindoro takes half the cookie back for spelling errors **
[02:55:54] mag0o: Fair enough, I realized it but didn't care enough to not hit enter ;)
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[02:56:49] achew22: Is there a way to trigger a SQL update from the command line in 0.25?
[02:57:18] wagnerrp: sql update?
[02:57:21] wagnerrp: like a schema update?
[02:58:01] achew22: yeah
[02:59:45] achew22: Oh, nevermind. It was trying to upgrade the schema but apparently my upgrade failed. I gotta learn to read better.
[02:59:58] mag0o: holy crap, Fonzie looks old, he's on Letterman tonight
[03:01:27] dewman: dave and henry gonna have wheelchair races?
[03:02:23] mag0o: wouldn't doubt it
[03:17:58] squidly: does the master backend have to have the capture cards in it?
[03:18:11] squidly: or what is the purpose of the master backend in a multiple backend system?
[03:20:21] wagnerrp: the master backend is supposed to have capture cards
[03:20:29] wagnerrp: the purpose of the master is to control everything
[03:20:38] wagnerrp: scheduler, most of the housekeeping tasks, upnp server, etc...
[03:20:41] squidly: ok what about the slave backends then?
[03:20:43] wagnerrp: the slaves do little but record
[03:20:54] wagnerrp: record and serve files
[03:21:32] squidly: ahh ok.. I'm asking because I'm thinking of how I can lighten the load on my felserver and move things over to my nice new server
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[03:23:31] squidly: and if it would have been better to have a slave backend on my new server or not.
[03:25:11] wagnerrp: better to run the master on the best machine available
[03:25:29] wagnerrp: better to move the file server over to it as well
[03:25:47] wagnerrp: in fact, you can likely do away with the old system
[03:26:12] squidly: both servers are pretty equal actually, save my new server had a hardware raid conterol and smaller disks
[03:26:50] squidly: my fileserver has the huge drives
[03:27:08] squidly: but it's also running softwear raid
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[03:28:36] wagnerrp: what are the servers?
[03:30:01] squidly: my new one is an ibm x346, 4gb ram, 3.6 xeons
[03:30:13] squidly: 6 73gb scsis in a raid5 with one hot-spair
[03:30:18] wagnerrp: eeew
[03:30:24] squidly: eeew??
[03:30:30] wagnerrp: eeew
[03:30:40] squidly: why eew?
[03:30:54] squidly: I can up the ram on that as well (but I need the money for it)
[03:31:06] wagnerrp: 3.6GHz Xeon means an old Netburst system
[03:31:19] squidly: netburst?
[03:31:29] wagnerrp: pentium 4
[03:31:55] squidly: ahh
[03:32:07] wagnerrp: you could replace that with modern hardware with double the power and half the energy consumption for maybe $300
[03:32:27] wagnerrp: no, probably a quarter the consumption
[03:32:39] squidly: I got this for cheap
[03:32:53] wagnerrp: i surely hope so
[03:33:07] squidly: and my file server is just overloaded
[03:33:21] wagnerrp: thats because its running on old netburst chips
[03:33:39] squidly: on my file server is what I'm going to tell you what I have now
[03:34:21] squidly: it's a Phenom 2x4, 4gb ram, 2 80gb sata in raid1, 6 1tb in raid5 with one hot spair (softwear raid)
[03:34:47] wagnerrp: that phenom will absolutely rape the new system
[03:34:48] squidly: also it was running about 6 vm's, mysql, apache, dns, ldap,
[03:35:03] wagnerrp: 6VMs... theres your problem
[03:35:15] squidly: yea thus I needed a new system to move them off to
[03:35:19] wagnerrp: VMs suck down large amounts of memory and power
[03:35:30] wagnerrp: memory and power that wouldnt be needed if you simply ran them on the system directly
[03:35:33] squidly: yea they do
[03:35:39] squidly: even with KVM
[03:35:48] squidly: though I was notreally hitting swap. my biggest issue was IO wait
[03:36:15] wagnerrp: then replace those old and slow 80GB drives with an SSD
[03:36:18] squidly: I was hitting normally 70–90% io wait
[03:36:39] squidly: wagnerrp: they are not that old.. and it's a hardware raid controler
[03:36:48] wagnerrp: hot and noisy 15K SCSIs are not the solution
[03:37:07] squidly: the IO wait was all on the 6x1tb array
[03:37:36] wagnerrp: do you have all the VMs running on the raid5 array?
[03:37:52] squidly: not all of them
[03:38:21] squidly: wait I think I did
[03:38:31] wagnerrp: what is the stripe size on that array?
[03:38:45] squidly: no i didnt
[03:38:52] squidly: they were on the raid-1 array
[03:39:15] squidly: level 5, 64k chunk, algorithm 2 [5/5] [UUUUU]
[03:39:20] squidly: that is my raid-5 array
[03:39:25] squidly: and it's running lvm
[03:39:34] wagnerrp: bigger chunks are better for most applications
[03:39:57] wagnerrp: and if it was only used for bulk storage, there really shouldnt be much load on it
[03:40:17] wagnerrp: i would only expect heavy IO wait if used for an application disk with tons of small reads and writes
[03:40:36] wagnerrp: six VMs plus the system all using that as its application disk can really bring it to its knees
[03:40:39] squidly: its' hosting music, backups, myth
[03:40:41] wagnerrp: even if it were on a hardware array
[03:41:01] wagnerrp: music, backups, mythtv... all bulk sequential data
[03:41:25] squidly: movies, /home, and my torrent dirs
[03:41:41] squidly: yea mostly that will be lighter
[03:41:48] squidly: but the vm's were killing it big time.
[03:42:07] squidly: I'm actually moving all mysql over to my x346
[03:42:13] squidly: and that will be doing mostly that
[03:42:53] wagnerrp: i still say you would have been better off with a single SSD
[03:42:58] wagnerrp: back it up nightly for good measure
[03:43:28] squidly: I dont/wont trust an SSD yet.. I've seen them fail to many times
[03:43:44] wagnerrp: thats why you back it up, or run it in a mirror
[03:43:52] squidly: my mysql data dir was on that..
[03:44:05] wagnerrp: all the more reason to use an SSD
[03:44:09] squidly: and the price per Gig is to high for me right now
[03:44:16] wagnerrp: mysql loves SSDs
[03:45:06] wagnerrp: an 80GB SSD goes for... $150-$200 these days
[03:46:38] squidly: and the failure rate of the last time I used an SSD was under 6 months
[03:47:00] wagnerrp: at which point it is still under warranty, and you have the nightly backup to recover from
[03:47:15] squidly: and a two week downtime
[03:47:35] wagnerrp: no, you have those 80GB drives as backup
[03:47:58] wagnerrp: assuming youre cloning it directly, you can just drop it right in place
[03:48:19] squidly: well I was able to pull 4 of the VM's off my server in the past couple of days.. and I'm still seeing up to 20% io wai
[03:48:31] wagnerrp: where are you getting this 6mo average lifetime from?
[03:48:37] squidly: but it's gone down from 100%
[03:48:56] squidly: a place I worked at about a year go.. most of the SSD's they had all died in 6 months
[03:49:07] wagnerrp: what brand?
[03:49:33] Beirdo: and were they kept properly cooled?
[03:49:44] k-man: do SSDs get hot?
[03:49:57] squidly: I dont recall
[03:50:05] wagnerrp: sure, if there is no airflow around them
[03:50:07] Beirdo: if they are used, yes
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[03:50:12] squidly: they were in desktops's and laptops
[03:50:43] wagnerrp: meaning they probably bought dirt cheap off-brand
[03:51:12] squidly: I think they were OCZ.. or soemthing like that..
[03:51:15] Beirdo: and used without any regard to proper use patterns, likely
[03:51:17] squidly: I dont recall exacly..
[03:51:36] squidly: yea.. but they are still to the point where I don't trust them yet
[03:51:52] squidly: I though putting them in a RAID-1 array would eat the SSD pretty badly
[03:52:21] k-man: why?
[03:52:21] clever: only ssd i really use is the 4gig internal that came in my netbook
[03:52:44] wagnerrp: why would RAID1 be any different from a bare drive?
[03:52:59] wagnerrp: you are literally doing the same exact thing to both drives
[03:53:17] squidly: wagnerrp: well for the SSD's the sectors going bad more often on them.. and not able to do things like wear-leveling
[03:53:22] Beirdo: now, using it for a swap partition... that would kill it
[03:53:48] ** clever hides the 500mb swap partition on the ssd **
[03:53:52] wagnerrp: squidly: why would RAID have any effect on wear leveling? that is done completely internally to the drive
[03:53:53] squidly: lol clever
[03:54:03] squidly: wagnerrp: I didnt konw that before.
[03:54:16] clever: even with 1gig of ram, i need a bit of swap to give it room to breathe
[03:54:36] squidly: clever: hah.. with 4gb all over the place I can eat up quite a bit of it really
[03:54:41] wagnerrp: even with? you struggle to build mythtv with only 1GB of memory
[03:55:04] squidly: I cant live on anything less the 2gb (running linux)
[03:55:04] clever: wagnerrp: i dont run myth on the netbook, the ssd doesnt even have room for the qt libs right now
[03:55:32] clever: the netbook is more for general use, firefox, irc, ssh, email
[03:55:43] wagnerrp: sure it does, you can stuff mythtv onto a 512MB CF card
[03:55:56] clever: yeah, when you strip things heavily
[03:56:02] clever: ive got a full gentoo install on this though
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[03:56:14] wagnerrp: a full gentoo install is like 300MB
[03:56:33] clever: i must be doing something wrong then, because its using nearly the entire 3.5gig
[03:56:46] clever: hmmm, java and git are the 2 biggest packages
[03:57:01] clever: though git is a false reading, gentoo counts the hardlinks multiple times
[03:57:22] wagnerrp: well theres your problem, storing source repositories on a system with limited memory
[03:57:27] wagnerrp: s/memory/storage/
[03:57:32] squidly: wagnerrp: also I do a lot of networking as well. I needed to move some stuff around to ease up the network load on my file server
[03:57:40] clever: the source isnt kept on the drive, i keep that on nfs
[03:57:50] clever: the portage tree is on an SD card (and compressed)
[03:58:11] clever: equery says that the java binarys are 117mb in total
[03:59:03] wagnerrp: my frontend image is currently taking... 2.5GB
[03:59:17] wagnerrp: and thats with no attempt to conserve space
[03:59:34] clever: my old frontend image is just under 512mb compressed, ~1gig uncompressed
[03:59:42] clever: squashfs
[04:00:04] clever: but it still has tons of un-needed things, like the entire toolchain
[04:01:07] clever: i'm thinking of replacing the old half-broken laptop with a desktop for frontend usage
[04:01:32] clever: but the master backend is still holding everything back
[04:03:18] clever: major cpu and ram upgrade
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[05:10:54] k-man: justinh, are you awake?
[05:11:14] wagnerrp: not for another hour
[05:11:26] k-man: thanks wagnerrp
[05:33:29] Beirdo: OK wiping that build, and trying lvr's latest version
[05:34:58] Beirdo: should take it a few hours as I'm removing Qt as well (as I mistyped the rm -rf)
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[06:17:31] justinh: k-man: here :-)
[06:18:32] justinh: btw folks have you seen the size of minimyth – a whole mythtv distro (now including mythbackend AFAIK).. weighs in under 256MB last time I looked
[06:19:12] [R]: i thought people like big things...
[06:19:15] ** [R] smirks **
[06:19:23] clever: bigger isnt always better
[06:19:30] justinh: there we go... under 200MB actually
[06:19:38] justinh: 157M (!)
[06:19:51] clever: dang
[06:20:11] justinh: that's tarred up of course.. so inflated might come to a fair bit more
[06:20:51] clever: 2 of my systems are using squashfs as the root image, so they can keep it compressed 24/7
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[06:21:13] clever: that can be used to permantly trim the disk usage
[06:21:57] k-man: justinh, I was going to ask you how you save a png of a button from an inkscape file, but I worked it out
[06:22:00] k-man: wasn't hard
[06:22:08] justinh: export bitmap ;-)
[06:22:43] justinh: but when you're working with stuff like icons you need to test on a background – or anything you have to test against a background – export bitmap with the 'hide all but selected' option ticked
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[06:23:41] justinh: [R]: I think people tend to like bigger things – just not when they have to download em. I know a few people who were seething about being 'forced' to download the latest OSX on a crappy broadband connection
[06:24:17] [R]: lol
[06:24:24] justinh: I dunno, when I pay that kind of money for software I really want a box
[06:25:30] clever: shipping costs for the upgrades could go thru the roof though
[06:25:53] clever: simpler to just give you a rebate cert you can file with the ISP to get that bandwidth for free maybe
[06:26:30] justinh: clever: I think Apple could handle the shipping costs
[06:26:33] clever: i know alot of people on capped plans who cant download much
[06:26:44] justinh: but no, hey let's zing the customer. again
[06:26:49] Beirdo: sure they can. at work
[06:27:23] clever: Beirdo: that then leads to companys locking down the internet access massively
[06:27:34] Beirdo: only stupid ones
[06:27:42] clever: yeah
[06:28:00] clever: smart ones will block just the high bandwidth stuff
[06:28:05] [R]: not unlmitede interent seems like a crime
[06:28:13] justinh: we used to have massively locked down internet, and then the CEO came along & wanted to do stuff. It was after the IT guys had gone home so... he couldn't. The next day we had no blocking on anything :D
[06:28:53] clever: :D
[06:29:30] k-man: making buttons for themes is trickier than it looks
[06:29:36] clever: the leason, find a site that is of interest to the CEO, and blocked by the silly rules
[06:29:58] k-man: sorry, let me rephrase – making _nice_ buttons is trickier than it looks
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[06:31:57] k-man: justinh, do you have drop shadows on any of your buttons?
[06:32:01] justinh: k-man: no
[06:32:05] justinh: there's no shiny either
[06:32:18] k-man: justinh, that sounds like a very sensible idea
[06:32:21] k-man: shiny?
[06:32:22] justinh: it's all flat, high-ish contrast
[06:32:30] k-man: oh, I see
[06:32:40] justinh: I used to have a shiny button fetish
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[06:33:07] justinh: (see project-grayhem, blootube et al) ;-)
[06:33:10] k-man: I think I'm coming to the conclusing that for my MythCenter fork, I am going to left align all the buttons and button lists
[06:34:46] k-man: and if I make buttons fade to 100% transparent going from left to right, then it doesn't really matter now long the text is
[06:34:58] okolsi: anyone familiar with an issue where some youtube content from backend does not work?
[06:35:42] justinh: k-man: centre aligned text has its uses, but I've used it very sparingly
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[06:40:56] justinh: everything is vcenter aligned at least :)
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[06:47:12] k-man: yeah
[06:47:39] k-man: okolsi, in what module? mythnetvision?
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[06:51:54] k-man: justinh, like this: http://flip.dyndns.org/images/myth-screenshot . . . 1-19.184.png
[06:52:29] k-man: not sure how to make the arrows work with that though...
[06:53:48] okolsi: k-man: yes, in mythnetvision.. backend does not deliver some videos
[06:54:26] okolsi: when you go with a browser to youtube, same video works
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[06:55:02] justinh: k-man: no offence.. but arghhh, my eyes!
[06:55:35] justinh: k-man: why is the buttonlist right aligned there?
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[06:57:04] justinh: I've never been a fan of buttonlists which 'pop' by changing position of the selected item but that amount of 'pop' might be too much
[06:58:00] justinh: if you intend this theme for nobody else but you, then fine – but if you're expecting other people to like it you may want to revisit the alignment of items like this ;)
[06:58:49] justinh: speaking as somebody who has had countless people 'critique' their own work, I think you'd be making a rod for your own back being er.. adventurous in such a way
[07:00:12] justinh: critique, meaning "great theme, but if you could just shift element X 2 pixels to the right, and change the color (sic) of Y to #FF5463 then ... and then.... also... " ;-)
[07:00:21] k-man: justinh, I was just illustrating the fade to 100% alpha button idea
[07:00:49] k-man: justinh, I know the colours look crap and all. the buttons are broken, not supposed to be right aligned
[07:00:51] justinh: heh fine. you need to get everything vcentered though I think :)
[07:01:18] Beirdo: justinh: that's why I'd prefer to avoid the UI side of the business as much as I can... that and I ain't artistic in that way
[07:01:24] justinh: that reminds me.. gotta check basetextarea in base.xml is <align>vcenter</align>
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[07:01:55] justinh: is being 'artistic' really that much more than appraising whether or not something looks okay enough, personally?
[07:02:09] Beirdo: well, it's not that
[07:02:14] justinh: mind, looking at some of the other new themes kicking around maybe there's more to it
[07:02:22] Beirdo: it's coming up with a vision of what would look good
[07:02:45] justinh: hmm. maybe not just that though. it also has to work within a context
[07:02:48] Beirdo: I can (as most people can) tweak things repeatedly until it fits my tastes better
[07:03:11] Beirdo: but to come up with a cohesive theme... gah, not likely
[07:03:19] k-man: justinh, I think it is more than that – I can tell if I like something or not
[07:03:30] k-man: justinh, but creating something that I like is a different matter
[07:03:37] justinh: k-man: FWIW I'd possibly consider adding another gradient point so it doesn't fade out quite so fast
[07:03:38] Beirdo: yeah, that's it.
[07:04:03] justinh: or rather, fades out faster, but much later along the length :)
[07:04:05] Beirdo: those who can actually *design* the themes are rarer than those who can tweak them to their liking
[07:04:14] k-man: Beirdo, yes, I'm with you on the whole Vision concept – I lack that
[07:04:24] justinh: heheheheh. design tends to imply some kind of plan
[07:04:44] Beirdo: I can tweak, but designing artistic things like that, not me.
[07:04:54] justinh: I keep bumping into limitations in mythui objects & I don't like it
[07:05:09] Beirdo: designing highly complicated and grandiose code structures, sure
[07:05:14] justinh: like there are some things where you can't change text states.. grrr
[07:05:25] Beirdo: but not the visual art side of things
[07:05:52] justinh: and with my theme relying on states being inverse.. e.g, unselected is white on dark, selected is dark on white.. it's frustrating
[07:06:22] justinh: I've not found a way around it yet – it may indeed be not a limitation at all – and that I just need to dig in the docs more
[07:06:46] justinh: and this bloody textedit widget.. GRRRRRRRRRRR
[07:06:47] Beirdo: hmmm, sounds like you need to go to a pub with stuartm for a bit and have a few pints :)
[07:07:19] Beirdo: isn't textedit the one that's still a bit wonky for multiline stuff?
[07:07:22] justinh: I think the textedit cursor stuff is all borked because qt's font metrics working out are retarded
[07:07:41] justinh: I looked at the code & it all seemed reasonable & logical
[07:08:00] Beirdo: assuming Qt isn't just being dumb
[07:08:01] justinh: not like the cursor would appear a logarithmic distance away from the text position
[07:08:25] justinh: I know one way around that
[07:08:37] justinh: use a fixed width font for textedit boxes?
[07:08:40] Beirdo: no cursor for you!
[07:08:52] Beirdo: yeah, that could work too
[07:09:04] justinh: it might.. depends how wrong qt is
[07:09:35] Beirdo: anyways, I think I'll be retiring to bed now
[07:09:37] justinh: then I look at the qt docs & see they've now got a doozy of a textbox widget & wonder why we're not using that
[07:10:10] Beirdo: it likely has other issues
[07:10:11] Beirdo: heh
[07:10:24] Beirdo: seems a lot of Qt things have odd issues
[07:10:29] justinh: you're doubtless right about that
[07:11:15] justinh: maybe the textedits are less messed up when they're all native res – i.e. not scaled
[07:11:22] Beirdo: possibly
[07:12:19] Beirdo: anyways, I'm going to bed before I pass out on the recliner... bed's more comfortable :)
[07:12:25] Beirdo: night
[07:12:34] k-man: night Beirdo
[07:12:35] justinh: night
[07:12:43] justinh: hmmm.. seems about the same :-\
[07:12:50] justinh: maybe time to try a fixed-width font
[07:12:52] wagnerrp: early night for you
[07:13:31] k-man: in inkscape, can you drag the canvas around like in illustrator/photoshop somehow?
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[07:15:07] justinh: k-man: think so
[07:15:36] justinh: maybe not though, I don't remember it having a 'hand' tool or whatever
[07:16:38] justinh: ah nuts.. what's any of the fixed width terminal fonts called?
[07:18:01] k-man: I use anonymous pro
[07:18:05] k-man: but that may not be installed
[07:18:09] k-man: courier
[07:19:23] justinh: hmmmnope, fixed width fonts don't fix it
[07:19:50] justinh: looks like maybe it's only a 1 or 2px error which accumulates the longer the line is
[07:20:09] k-man: what are you refering to?
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[07:20:22] justinh: cursor offset in a textedit widget
[07:20:36] justinh: it seems fine, perfect for the 1st few characters
[07:21:00] justinh: after 10 or so, it's whack. you can't tell which character it's pointing at
[07:21:44] k-man: do you think blue on blue would be better for a selected button in mythcenter?
[07:22:00] k-man: is that a mythtv bug? or a bug in your theme?
[07:22:43] justinh: k-man: it's not really about what I think. what do *you* think?
[07:23:00] k-man: justinh, I think you have a better idea than me ;)
[07:23:02] justinh: k-man: experiment
[07:23:23] justinh: k-man: it's a bug in the widget, the underlying cause of which is likely qt
[07:23:40] justinh: or it's cos my DPI is wrong again
[07:25:33] justinh: I dunno how you set the DPI of a freenx session
[07:26:26] justinh: aha Xft.dpi: 100
[07:27:25] k-man: justinh, this one is for you: http://flip.dyndns.org/images/myth-screenshot . . . 7-11.008.png
[07:27:47] justinh: ARGHHH!
[07:27:52] k-man: hehe
[07:28:15] justinh: fine use bright yellow but don't expect people with CRTs to be able to read white text against it :P
[07:28:29] k-man: yes, I know the text needs to be a different colour
[07:28:35] k-man: http://colorschemedesigner.com/#3O429w0w0w0w0
[07:28:39] k-man: I like this site
[07:29:00] k-man: anyway
[07:29:05] k-man: I have to go
[07:29:12] justinh: see this is why I'm against using text colours to represent states
[07:29:22] k-man: justinh, so what do you use?
[07:29:28] justinh: red on blue.. won't work for colourblind folks or those with PAL/NTSC TVs
[07:29:38] justinh: I change the background :)
[07:29:50] k-man: from what to what?
[07:30:17] justinh: originally in the PBB I had red buttonlist background for 'recording'
[07:30:39] justinh: but because the highlight didn't make enough difference (in my wife's opinion) I had to change it
[07:31:00] justinh: so now I've got the very left of the rectangle highlighted instead
[07:31:31] justinh: means you can't really show all the states at the same time but something is either recording, transcoding, commflagging.. not all at once :)
[07:31:39] justinh: did you see the screenshot?
[07:31:55] k-man: when?
[07:32:13] k-man: today? or the other day?
[07:32:33] justinh: the other day
[07:32:48] k-man: yes – but I might not have been paying attention to those details
[07:32:52] k-man: anyway, I have to run
[07:32:55] k-man: talk later
[07:33:37] justinh: okees
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[07:55:48] okolsi: building seektable for videofiles used to work but no-more? like: mythcommflag --rebuild --video --file test.avi
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[09:28:42] EvilGuru: Years ago I used to have a DVB-T and PAL tuners in my box. I somehow had it configured so mythtv knew that the five PAL channels were also on DVB-T. How could I have done that?
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[09:42:32] stuartm: make sure that the callsigns and channel numbers are the same, although only the former is strictly necessary for scheduling, the latter avoids duplicates in the EPG
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[14:25:33] jrr: can somebody explain (or link me to explanation of) the relationship between schedulesdirect "logical channel", "broadcast channel", and the actual 123.45 decimal numbers my tuner sees?
[14:32:53] jrr: okay, learning.. so the decimal things are "QAM" and schedulesdirect provides no info about them
[14:33:31] jrr: can I configure myth with knowledge of the mapping between comcast's whole numbers and my QAM digits, such that I can actually use schedulesdirect data for scheduling recording?
[14:34:41] iamlindoro: jrr, correct, and yes
[14:34:59] justinh: I think logical channels are what would be your comcast channel numbers
[14:35:00] iamlindoro: you take the XMLTVid from Schedulesdirect (the five digit numerical code) and put it in to each channel
[14:35:27] iamlindoro: Then you can run mythfilldatabase as normal, which will give you listings, and/or also add --do-channel-updates, which will update the channels with their logical numbers too
[14:35:38] jrr: okay, so now i just gotta figure out the mapping
[14:35:54] jrr: http://www.silicondust.com/support/channels/ is wrong
[14:35:58] iamlindoro: right. Usually invovles some stepping through the channels, unfortunately... blame the cable co for refusing to broadcast that info in-band :)
[14:36:27] ** iamlindoro is afk again **
[14:36:36] jrr: I don't actually subscribe to cable, but I get local channels plus a couple others over QAM, just by nature of subscribing to cable internet i guess
[14:37:44] iamlindoro: jrr: That is technically theft of service, and any discussion of such is a violation of our channel rules.. further discussion is likely to get you banned
[14:37:53] jrr: oh, yikes, okay
[14:37:53] dewman: jrr, check this page out. it might help you get the channels mapped correctly. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Scte65scan
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[14:40:45] jrr: not talking about my own activity anymore, but rather seeking clarification for my own education: one can be a service thief just by plugging in a TV and auto-scanning?
[14:42:22] iamlindoro: If you are otherwise a client of that service, which you are, then yes, you are bound by their terms of service
[14:42:54] jrr: huh. I always figured you have to open a box and mess with plugs/filters/whatever in order to be a thief
[14:43:00] iamlindoro: Were one not a client at all, they would physically disconnect the line
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[14:43:32] iamlindoro: As you are a client of their data service, and it is more expensive for them to roll a truck and put in a notch filter to lock you out of the basics, they rely on the honor system when it comes to the basics
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[15:22:38] justinh: ugh. just had to compare two HD camera blocks & record the results by photographing the screen of a monitor
[15:22:59] justinh: my request for a funky 1080P capture device was turned down
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[16:16:58] dewman: is there a log that gives any details on the autoexpire / with what has been deleted / upcoming deletions / etc?
[16:17:11] dewman: or do i need to enable greater logging on the backend?
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[16:32:33] dewman: I found this thread that should get me the info I want. hopefully. http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7936#comment:18
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[17:28:01] Beirdo: yay, let's start the day with a headache
[17:28:24] wagnerrp: and fairly late
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[17:28:33] Beirdo: nah, right on time
[17:28:41] Beirdo: I got here at the crack of 10
[17:29:01] Beirdo: :)
[17:29:14] Beirdo: anything interesting goin on?
[17:30:53] Beirdo: I think I should restart chrome and see what videos ieee.tv has to offer
[17:31:04] Beirdo: flash has itself wedged (as it often does)
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[17:38:04] wagnerrp: Beirdo: any idea why i may have done this?... https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . ser.cpp#L420
[17:38:10] wagnerrp: rather than just using the standard map index
[17:40:59] Beirdo: no idea
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[17:41:10] Beirdo: you should look at using .find()
[17:41:41] wagnerrp: why? its a map... i just pull m_registeredArgs[opt]
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[17:41:52] wagnerrp: way to go not catching my retarded code
[17:41:53] Beirdo: but I'm not sure off hand. :) Doing a linear search in a map is not normal.
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[17:41:58] Beirdo: hehe
[17:42:05] Beirdo: what if you never find it?
[17:42:25] Beirdo: which you will if it ends up !processed
[17:42:38] wagnerrp: m_registeredArgs.contains()
[17:42:48] Beirdo: sure
[17:43:00] Beirdo: or .find() then test it against end().
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[17:43:10] Beirdo: contains() is likely what you are looking for though :)
[17:43:26] Beirdo: as it essentially does exactly that
[17:44:46] Beirdo: no, you'll need find... or to read the index after anyways
[17:44:59] Beirdo: as you need the value()
[17:45:07] Beirdo: meh, either way should work.
[17:45:33] Beirdo: and it's not like this is in the critical code path
[17:45:42] wagnerrp: true
[17:45:48] wagnerrp: it works, its just... stupid
[17:46:01] Beirdo: I have some coworkers like that
[17:46:06] wagnerrp: that must have been 5am code
[17:46:14] Beirdo: yeah, no doubt :)
[17:46:59] Beirdo: another example of where a more formal code read coulda helped us a bit
[17:47:36] wagnerrp: plus it means at least one other person knows in detail how a chunk of code works
[17:47:45] Beirdo: yeah
[17:47:57] Beirdo: I'm surprised I didn't catch that one, actually
[17:48:12] wagnerrp: like i said, i blame you.. :P
[17:48:23] Beirdo: I guess I was buried enough in the logging code that I didn't give that 100% attention, and trusted your fine work :)
[17:48:26] Beirdo: hehe
[17:48:52] wagnerrp: serves you right for trusting my code
[17:49:02] Beirdo: ahhh, headache abating. pain killers + coffee is a good combo
[17:50:39] wagnerrp: any reason not to use a switch/case over a bunch of if/elseif?
[17:51:09] wagnerrp: i know some people dont like that structure
[17:51:13] wagnerrp: just wondering if we have any stance on it
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[17:57:07] Beirdo: heh
[17:57:34] Beirdo: in my opinion, if you can use a switch, and you have more than 2 or so cases, you should always use a switch
[17:57:51] Beirdo: unfortunately, you can't do a switch on strings
[17:57:57] wagnerrp: yeah, switching through the various QVariant::Types
[17:58:14] wagnerrp: its an enum
[17:58:31] Beirdo: my reasoning is that even the most braindead compiler will make a more efficient and faster implementation with a switch than it might with a chain of ifs
[17:58:47] Beirdo: it will use a jump table instead of possibly actually doing many comparisons
[17:59:23] Beirdo: of course, remember... I have an embedded background, where that can sometimes make a significant difference
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[17:59:54] Beirdo: with today's technology in PCs... it's not as noticible, but in a core loop, it will still make a difference
[18:00:03] Beirdo: OMG
[18:00:13] Beirdo: my backend recorded over 20 programs yesterday
[18:00:24] wagnerrp: mine recorded... zero
[18:00:56] wagnerrp: i need to get my cable boxes configured
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[18:01:12] Beirdo: it recorded about as much content as there are hours in the day
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[18:01:34] Beirdo: meeting
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[18:35:12] stuartm: switches are easier to follow than a bunch of "if/else if" IMHO
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[18:38:20] stuartm: I'd pretty much always use a switch for enumerator values, which is really the only time they make sense for C/C++ since they don't work for strings and there aren't many times when an int is going to contain exact pre-determined values
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[19:03:55] justinh: right then... no rolling news channel to watch like a hawk.. back to the themery
[19:05:41] justinh: stuartm: any tips for working around an issue where the textarea of a widget (or one where the widget doesn't have a textarea) doesn't have its own state?
[19:05:55] justinh: trying to remember a good example
[19:06:49] wagnerrp: sphery: i have failed
[19:07:22] wagnerrp: after rewriting this page nearly from scratch... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Choosing_Frontend_Hardware
[19:07:36] wagnerrp: someone read it, and went out and bought a P4 with a PCI VDPAU card
[19:07:48] justinh: wagnerrp: pandaboard frontend?
[19:08:21] wagnerrp: actually, i think markk is using a pandaboard for opengl es testing
[19:09:08] wagnerrp: if you're shooting for low power at the cost of all else, a pandaboard (or other arm) with hardware decoding is a far better choice than an Atom with hardware decoding
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[19:09:22] wagnerrp: besides the fact that we dont support any hardware decoding on an ARM platform
[19:10:16] justinh: there was a rumour at work that one of our embedded devs managed to shoehorn our own codec DSP code into mythtv's ffmpeg
[19:11:07] wagnerrp: sadly nothing that could ever be submitted upstream?
[19:11:07] justinh: or otherwise somehow got mythfrontend all working, video playback included.. on something daft like a 3Watt chipset
[19:11:48] justinh: I dunno. doubt it'd be much cop anyway – so few people use stuff from the chipset company we bought
[19:12:16] justinh: it can't do 1080P anyway :D
[19:12:27] justinh: 1080anything actually
[19:13:05] justinh: I think we sell the board as a 'STB development platform'
[19:17:50] wagnerrp: nothing like directed spam
[19:18:06] wagnerrp: i just got a 'changelog' sent to my mythtv email address
[19:18:23] wagnerrp: the one scraped from github
[19:18:27] justinh: owies. 480P30 h.264. ROFLMAO
[19:27:23] skd5aner: come on gigabyte... process my RMA request already!
[19:31:58] jams: skd5aner- i sent three boards to them about 6 months ago. They accepted the RMA and sent 3 boards back claiming to have replaced them. the boards they sent back had the same problem. Pretty sure they returned my orig boards, as I had marked them all before sending them, and the boards I recieved had the same marks.
[19:34:25] wagnerrp: heh
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[19:42:19] skd5aner: jams: yea, I already RMA'd this board in January
[19:42:26] skd5aner: the problem is slightly different, but basically the same
[19:42:35] skd5aner: issues with booting/posting
[19:43:02] skd5aner: at the time I was gonna mark down the serial, but forgot
[19:43:04] justinh: skd5aner: who sold you it? seller not feel responsible?
[19:43:06] skd5aner: this time I will mark the board
[19:43:37] skd5aner: justinh: amazon, I don't think that they'll accept it as a return, it was bought 10 months ago
[19:43:55] justinh: never had to send anything back to the manufacturer before – oo wait one thing.. my DAB radio
[19:44:25] justinh: I tried buying pc components off amazon before. the price kept changing by the time I got to the checkout so I flipped it off
[19:44:34] skd5aner: :)
[19:44:44] skd5aner: I usually do amazon or newegg for 95% of stuff
[19:45:09] justinh: I like all my stuff to come at the same time.. like it even more when I can buy it in person – and at my local place it's often cheaper than online
[19:45:09] skd5aner: but, I get free 2 day shipping from amazon, and I live on the complete opposite side of the country from newegg's primary distribution center
[19:45:32] skd5aner: justinh: yea, that's nice... unfortunately, in the US it's almost always cheaper online, plus no tax
[19:45:38] justinh: over here in the youkay everything has an implied 1 year warranty
[19:45:42] justinh: minimum
[19:46:30] justinh: we can even return goods bought online for any reason we like up to 31 days past the purchase date IIRC. Maybe it's only 14 days but still :-)
[19:46:41] skd5aner: from amazon order page: "Return Window expired on November 2, 2010. "
[19:46:51] justinh: ouch
[19:47:15] skd5aner: 3 year warranty on the board from the manufacterer
[19:48:09] justinh: wow I never thought I'd run into limitations in mythui, but I'm already wanting to change things that are immutable. gah
[19:48:23] skd5aner: patches welcome
[19:48:24] skd5aner: :P
[19:48:26] skd5aner: ;)
[19:48:38] justinh: heh I'm not going anywhere near guidegrid.cpp
[19:50:07] skd5aner: jams: did you ever get the problem fixed with gigabyte?
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[19:53:39] justinh: I dunno where my next foray into code will be but it won't be something like guidegrid :)
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[20:13:32] stuartm: guidegrid sucks, it's a halfway step towards making it fully mythui, we just haven't taken that last step yet
[20:15:26] justinh: yeah I remember all the talk about it, which is why I don't want to touch it with a bargepole
[20:15:42] justinh: I just couldn't remember how hard-coded it was :)
[20:15:52] justinh: still, it's obviously way better than it used to be though
[20:16:32] justinh: I thought "ooo, the selector's a shape.. roundbox.. just tweak the radius a bit.. and ahh... bugger" ;-)
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[20:19:39] justinh: heh I can't see any reason not to parse the cornerradius or alpha in libs/libmythui/mythuiguidegrid.cpp – or am I just being daft?
[20:21:16] justinh: ha apart from the guidegrid having its own shape drawing.
[20:22:51] justinh: could still parse a cornerradius though I suppose. is it even worth it? all the compiling I'll have to do.. beh
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[20:25:33] skd5aner: any known issues with the latest nvidia driver (280.13)?
[20:27:31] skd5aner: has apt-get always had tab autocomplete for package names?
[20:27:47] justinh: for a good while at least
[20:27:58] skd5aner: hrm... musta missed it
[20:28:02] justinh: I've been using that as long as I can remember
[20:29:26] justinh: ah I already understand why guidegrid does its own drawing. needs to be on the fly, not all pre-loaded etc :-)
[20:30:02] jams: skd5aner: nope, got tired of dealing with them. Recycled two boards yesterday got the other one sitting in a box ready for the next recycle run
[20:30:33] skd5aner: :(
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[20:43:55] justinh: fgs.. politicians here saying to stop rioting they're thinking about taking social networks offline for a spell
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[21:00:51] Beirdo: hehe
[21:01:14] Beirdo: how about spraying sedatives in the areas of rioting?
[21:01:27] Beirdo: wouldn't that be more effective?
[21:02:12] Beirdo: removing the communications channels seems like a stupid way to try to calm down irrational people
[21:02:43] Beirdo: and once people ARE rioting, they are rarely rational
[21:03:12] justinh: already been proven most of the people keeping in touch were using BBM
[21:03:43] Beirdo: that's still meaningless to me
[21:04:10] Beirdo: people have had successful long-running riots before any of these communications mechanisms were invented
[21:04:18] Beirdo: it's not the problem.
[21:04:36] wagnerrp: 187! 187!
[21:06:55] wagnerrp: Beirdo: im punting these two nuvexport tickets to you
[21:07:01] Beirdo: thanks
[21:07:07] wagnerrp: unless you want to find a way to motivate xris to get some work done
[21:07:09] Beirdo: I was going to go steal them and forgot
[21:07:10] wagnerrp: :)
[21:07:13] Beirdo: hehe
[21:07:17] Beirdo: more beer?
[21:07:43] ** Beirdo listens to some fine Boston **
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[21:08:29] wagnerrp: 27 commits this year, i guess its not that bad
[21:09:33] Beirdo: having a young child does make coding time severely limited :)
[21:21:39] justinh: puts extreme limits on all time :)
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[21:22:35] justinh: by the time 7pm comes it's Tom's bathtime.. then a bit of washing up.. and then sit down & pick at some themery
[21:24:56] Beirdo: heh
[21:25:12] Beirdo: yeah, I figured you'd have a good handle on that situation :)
[21:25:59] justinh: god help us.. there's another on the way too
[21:26:29] justinh: this is cos I haven't been doing themes all night. too much time for the other :D
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[21:48:06] wagnerrp: so im sitting up here at work, looking at the wall
[21:48:23] wagnerrp: apparently there was some guy from GE in the combustion lab earlier today, and he stopped by over here
[21:48:34] wagnerrp: there is some GEnx poster we had laying around, that was put on the wall
[21:49:01] wagnerrp: next to this GEnx, theres a tiny little rabbit, about two feet back from the inlet
[21:49:12] wagnerrp: supposedly to show how the engine is 'green' or some such
[21:49:58] wagnerrp: ... all I can think of is that if the engine were actually running, it would suck the rabbit in and spit out roasted hasenpfeffer
[21:50:26] wagnerrp: zero to well done in 0.275 seconds
[21:51:09] Beirdo: hehehe
[21:51:47] Beirdo: hasenpfeffer on a busted off turbine fan blade
[21:52:03] Beirdo: yummy
[21:52:06] wagnerrp: busted? nah...
[21:52:15] wagnerrp: it would be a nice red mist by the time it got through the compressor
[21:52:23] Beirdo: there is that
[21:52:29] wagnerrp: s/compressor/food processor/
[21:52:39] Beirdo: but a single goose can break of fan blades
[21:52:54] wagnerrp: thats because a single goose is a beast
[21:52:58] Beirdo: the big ones in the front, not inside the compressor
[21:53:22] Beirdo: a goose's body's not that much bigger than some rabbits
[21:53:34] Beirdo: OK, a bit bigger )
[21:53:36] Beirdo: heh
[21:53:41] wagnerrp: s/bit/lot/
[21:54:02] Beirdo: depends on the rabbit breed, I guess.
[21:54:05] wagnerrp: sure... SOME rabbits get to weigh like 50lbs
[21:54:13] wagnerrp: but this one looks like about 5lbs
[21:54:14] Beirdo: but anyways, fun poster.
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[21:54:34] Beirdo: aww, cute little bunny rabbit...
[21:54:41] wagnerrp: jet engines are typically rated for an 8lb impact with no damage
[21:54:56] Beirdo: yeah
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[21:55:10] Beirdo: I've seen fun videos of bird strikes though :)
[21:55:16] wagnerrp: 8lbs of frozen chicken, fired out of an air gun
[21:55:29] wagnerrp: ever seen video of the bird ingestion tests?
[21:55:33] Beirdo: yup
[21:55:52] Beirdo: the eventual failure mode can be quite entertaining
[21:56:05] wagnerrp: 4000fps footage of poultry mincing
[21:56:07] Beirdo: but yah, smallish birds get ingested
[21:56:33] Beirdo: bigger ones dislodge the fan blades as they go in.. and cause all sortsa interesting fun
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[21:57:21] Beirdo: watching engine stall videos was fun too
[21:57:24] Beirdo: ka-booom
[21:58:02] wagnerrp: ive simulated compressor stall... never actually seen on in person
[21:58:26] Beirdo: yeah, I didn't get to see one live.
[21:58:32] Beirdo: it's pretty impressive though
[21:58:38] wagnerrp: cripes! i think xming is shared out from this guy's personal server
[21:58:42] wagnerrp: 30KBps
[21:58:52] wagnerrp: like, home server
[21:58:57] Beirdo: niice
[21:59:10] wagnerrp: luckily its only 4MB
[21:59:21] wagnerrp: so lets wee what a $16 X server gets you...
[21:59:39] Beirdo: $16 of GNU code?
[22:00:06] wagnerrp: for the windows compiled version, with opengl and directx supporttttttttttttttt
[22:00:41] Beirdo: ahhhhhhh
[22:00:48] Beirdo: sorry, couldn't resist :)
[22:01:12] wagnerrp: well according to ohloh, $16 of GNU code would be a couple lines
[22:01:40] Beirdo: int main(int argc, char **argv)
[22:01:46] Beirdo: { return 0; }
[22:01:50] Beirdo: there's yer $16
[22:03:04] tlhiv_laptop: where are the bookmark files located?
[22:03:13] tlhiv_laptop: for video playback?
[22:03:38] tlhiv_laptop: perhaps they're in the database
[22:03:47] wagnerrp: yes, they are in the database
[22:03:51] wagnerrp: as with everything else
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[22:05:16] tlhiv_laptop: it's weird ... when browsing my video list with MythVideo and pressing "ENTER" to select this video, it starts playing but sets a bookmark too
[22:05:28] tlhiv_laptop: i would love to disable bookmarks in mythvideo all together
[22:06:21] wagnerrp: perhaps you are holding enter too long, and it starts repeating?
[22:06:38] tlhiv_laptop: perhaps
[22:06:53] tlhiv_laptop: in any event, i never use these bookmarks ... so can they be disabled?
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[22:09:02] iamlindoro: wagnerrp: Thanks for persisting in the metadata/scan thread-- FWIW a) I think he's got a bunch of files with conflisting hashes (the "symlink and pray" approach) and b) mythbackend --scanvideos triggers a backend video scan, no script needed
[22:10:38] wagnerrp: yeah, i mentioned the symlink issue a while back... makes sense since he claims it broken in 0.23
[22:10:45] wagnerrp: didnt know about the backend command
[22:11:07] wagnerrp: does that run the scan locally, or send a command to the master backend?
[22:11:45] stuartm: stupid computer doesn't realise what I mean when I ask it to 'gut pish'
[22:12:01] iamlindoro: wagnerrp: sends to the MBE
[22:12:11] iamlindoro: wagnerrp: it's the video equivalent of --resched
[22:12:40] iamlindoro: stuartm: heh
[22:13:17] iamlindoro: Some of my git pushes have cause a distinct feeling of gut pish, though
[22:13:37] tlhiv_laptop: x2x + MythTV running fullscreened in a Gnome workspace is a very good setup (IMHO)
[22:14:14] tlhiv_laptop: i've even written a GTK2 applet running here on my laptop that toggles x2x on and off to be able to switch over to the mythtv machine
[22:14:42] wagnerrp: isnt x2x just keyboard/mouse sharing?
[22:14:46] tlhiv_laptop: yes
[22:15:23] tlhiv_laptop: MythBrowser is very crippled, so having a full browser in Linux available on the TV controlled with x2x is much more convenient
[22:16:42] wagnerrp: crippled how?
[22:16:48] clever: i thought x2x was more of screen/mouse/keyboard
[22:17:47] tlhiv_laptop: crippled as in going to websites without navigating via bookmarks seems inconvenient for one
[22:18:14] wagnerrp: it supports bookmarks
[22:18:20] tlhiv_laptop: indeed
[22:18:32] tlhiv_laptop: but it seems that's the "preferred" method of navigating
[22:18:51] wagnerrp: isnt that generally the case?
[22:18:52] tlhiv_laptop: that is, i don't see a "Location Bar" where one could type in an address
[22:19:29] wagnerrp: theres no keybinding to bring one up?
[22:19:44] tlhiv_laptop: i've yet to figure it out
[22:19:47] wagnerrp: perhaps something in the 'm' menu?
[22:20:02] tlhiv_laptop: also, hulu seemed to freeze it (but not in FF)
[22:20:32] ** tlhiv_laptop wonders if he's the only MythTV user not using it as a DVR **
[22:21:19] wagnerrp: certainly not... but when most people sit down at the tv, they want to watch tv
[22:21:22] wagnerrp: not browse the internet
[22:21:30] tlhiv_laptop: i still can't wait for the feature of being able to play a video file with mythvideo, and when that file is finished playing, it plays the next one automatically
[22:21:48] wagnerrp: you can play the whole folder
[22:21:56] tlhiv_laptop: true ... but occasionally one might want to watch youtube videos that you search for
[22:22:08] tlhiv_laptop: wagnerrp: yeah, but sometimes i don't want to start at the beginning of that folder
[22:22:21] wagnerrp: youtube videos are not available in mythvideo, only mythnetvision
[22:24:26] stuartm: I threatened to copy across the recording playlist code to mythvideo a couple of years ago, I guess I'll have to do more than just talk about it
[22:24:39] wagnerrp: no, leave it be
[22:24:52] wagnerrp: it will be more or less brought over automatically as part of the schema changes
[22:25:14] tlhiv_laptop: wagnerrp: is that nearly done? my curiosity is becoming arroused ;)
[22:25:31] wagnerrp: likely to go in early in 0.26 development
[22:25:55] tlhiv_laptop: after 0.25 is released?
[22:26:03] wagnerrp: yessssss
[22:26:19] stuartm: it doesn't involve the schema, it's nothing more complicate than a list of videos which is iterated through and some simple UI stuff
[22:26:22] tlhiv_laptop: i didn't know if odd numbers were released or if they themselves were development versions
[22:26:56] tlhiv_laptop: stuartm: must you create a playlist to make this happen?
[22:26:58] wagnerrp: stuartm: i think the idea is that all the same structures from recordings would be carried over
[22:27:08] wagnerrp: and implementing playlists at that point would just be a bit of UI code
[22:27:52] tlhiv_laptop: playlists in this case don't interest me at all ... simply "whatever the next video is ... play it next"
[22:29:35] stuartm: wagnerrp: it's all in PBB, not in the libs, so it's not going to automatically become available – obviously it might make sense to move the functionality to a lib if it's going to be used in multiple locations but that would require a redesign
[22:30:26] tlhiv_laptop: stuartm: by UI do you mean that you would toggle this feature on and off somewhere in settings?
[22:31:03] tlhiv_laptop: or at least be able to activate the MENU when a particular video file is selected
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[22:31:14] tlhiv_laptop: and in that menu, something like "Play from here"
[22:31:26] tlhiv_laptop: or "Play directory from here"
[22:31:28] stuartm: tlhiv_laptop: I could be wrong, but that seems like a minority interest feature – the same effect can be achieved by generating a quick playlist with 'Add entire folder to playlist'
[22:31:38] stuartm: tlhiv_laptop: the latter
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[22:32:38] stuartm: but iirc you can already do something like that in mythvideo, INFO while a folder is selecting shows the option 'Play Folder'
[22:32:48] tlhiv_laptop: yes
[22:32:53] tlhiv_laptop: but it starts at the beginning
[22:33:06] stuartm: it's just not nearly as flexible as the playlist stuff we have for recordings
[22:33:11] tlhiv_laptop: i want the same effect by starting at an arbitrary point in the folder
[22:34:57] stuartm: tlhiv_laptop: if we use the same playlist code, then it would go something like this – MENU > Playlist > Add all files, then I suppose you can start playing whichever video you want and when that finishes it will start the next one in the sequence
[22:36:09] tlhiv_laptop: when in "Video Display Menu", i don't see anything about playlists
[22:37:49] stuartm: you wouldn't, because I haven't written it yet – unless you're from the future, in which case it sounds like I never will ;)
[22:38:54] tlhiv_laptop: :-)
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[23:04:20] wagnerrp: some people...
[23:04:32] wagnerrp: "im suffering some bug fixed 10hrs ago, help me!"
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[23:06:12] iamlindoro: I AM AN ADVANCED USER RUNNING MYTHTV .25
[23:06:29] iamlindoro: DON'T TELL ME TO READ YOUR STUPID COMMITS LIST, HIPPIE
[23:07:04] AndyCap: O_o
[23:07:29] wagnerrp: man... i SO just read that with the voice of Ned (venture brothers)
[23:07:47] iamlindoro: Heh, I thought:
[23:07:52] iamlindoro: raymond
[23:07:54] iamlindoro: RAYMON
[23:07:59] iamlindoro: RAYMOOOOOOOOOOOND!
[23:08:00] iamlindoro: WHAT!?!?
[23:08:09] iamlindoro: (Archer)
[23:08:47] wagnerrp: been wearing the night vision goggles with search lights around again?
[23:09:20] iamlindoro: Jeez, I don't have EAR cancer...
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[23:10:35] wagnerrp: iamlindoro: have you ever seen the voice actor for archer?
[23:10:43] iamlindoro: haha, yes, that's the funniest part
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[23:10:48] iamlindoro: fat bald white guy
[23:11:03] iamlindoro: looks kinda like a sex offender
[23:11:15] wagnerrp: i had no idea who it was
[23:11:28] wagnerrp: i see some random show on comedy central late at night
[23:11:34] wagnerrp: and the voice... i know that voice... who is that
[23:11:46] wagnerrp: holy sh--, that guy is archer!
[23:12:00] iamlindoro: I really need my archer fix, reruns aren't doing it
[23:12:06] iamlindoro: September, I think
[23:17:50] ** skd5aner loves archer **
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[23:18:32] wagnerrp: archer rejects, because youre a dude
[23:19:13] skd5aner: wagnerrp: Jon Benjamin – he's been the voice of a ton of stuff – he also is the voice of Bob in Bob's burgers, but started his career way back in Dr. Katz and Home Movies
[23:19:27] skd5aner: wagnerrp: the show you were referring to on CC is Jon Benjamin has a Van
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[23:20:34] skd5aner: he's also a character on venture bros too
[23:20:56] wagnerrp: yeah, i know now
[23:20:59] skd5aner: :)
[23:21:04] wagnerrp: apparently he started as a bit character on conan
[23:21:12] skd5aner: yea, and a writer
[23:22:14] wagnerrp: 'The Master'... i dont remember that character
[23:22:21] skd5aner: I remember when Archer came out and I was like "who's voice is that?" and I finally recognized it as the coach from "Home Movies"... which I never really care for, but the voice was so distinctive – just like Patrick Warburton's voice
[23:23:10] skd5aner: So, I remember reading about his career on IMDB and wikipedia and suddenly I was like "oh yea, that's the same guy who did ___"
[23:23:48] skd5aner: I love Aisha Tyler's character on Archer too... "YUUUUUUUUPP"
[23:24:27] wagnerrp: yeah, until she sets off the intruder alarm
[23:25:55] wagnerrp: well it seems walking dead is dead
[23:26:16] skd5aner: NOOOOOOO!
[23:26:19] skd5aner: link?
[23:27:20] wagnerrp: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/walking . . . fired-221449
[23:27:41] wagnerrp: the director and primary writer had fired most of the writing staff at the end of last season
[23:27:57] wagnerrp: and apparently now, because he wouldnt back down to budget cuts, he himself is fired
[23:28:12] skd5aner: http://www.cinemablend.com/television/Real-Re . . . d-34197.html
[23:28:13] wagnerrp: so the cast remains, but without the artistic vision or any money
[23:29:04] skd5aner: yea, but isn't it like one of their highest rated programs?
[23:29:24] skd5aner: I mean, it probably won't be the same, but they'll try and keep it alive (pun sort of intended)
[23:29:34] wagnerrp: yep, and critically acclaimed
[23:29:36] stuartm: ah crap, that was one of just a tiny number of decent series currently available FTA, this time next year I suppose I'll be poking my eyes out with sharp sticks for entertainment :(
[23:30:22] stuartm: Frank Darabont is a genius IMHO
[23:30:32] skd5aner: lol – "They're scared," confirms another insider. "They're on a zombie show. They are all really easy to kill off."
[23:30:46] wagnerrp: stuartm: apparently that was part of the problem
[23:30:52] sphery: wagnerrp: heh, I just hope he didn't see my joke in here about how a P4 3GHz running a VMWare instance was the perfect system for MythTV
[23:31:26] wagnerrp: he is a genius, he knew it, so he tried to play hardball with the network
[23:32:10] stuartm: and since that article brings it up, whatever happened to Breaking Bad? It just disappeared after the second series (at least in the UK)
[23:32:26] skd5aner: It's still on
[23:32:26] wagnerrp: nevermind the fact that the show had the highest ratings for a basic cable drama... ever
[23:32:45] skd5aner: they've been promoting the heck out of it over here on AMC for the new season
[23:33:03] wagnerrp: yeah, apparently he bought a gun
[23:33:27] wagnerrp: something that would be good for a drug runner
[23:33:44] stuartm: huh, it must have been snatched up by one of the pay channels that almost no-one watches yet which has a massive budget because they charge £££
[23:34:52] stuartm: wagnerrp: or a guy with terminal cancer who wants to end it quickly I suppose
[23:35:07] wagnerrp: apparently he went into remission
[23:36:10] stuartm: wagnerrp: ah, crap, well that kinda puts a happy ending on a series that was all about how crappy life really was ... guess they lost their nerve
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[23:36:31] wagnerrp: well... hes still dealing drugs
[23:36:40] wagnerrp: so he does have that going for him
[23:37:33] stuartm: what next, Laura Linney's character in The Big C is touched by an angel and makes an instant recovery?
[23:37:47] wagnerrp: never heard of it
[23:38:26] wagnerrp: ah, showtime
[23:38:36] wagnerrp: that would be why...
[23:38:53] stuartm: sometimes I think US drama still lacks guts (except for Walking Dead which perhaps had too much)
[23:40:43] stuartm: wagnerrp: central plot point is that the main character has terminal cancer and months to live – if it was a UK series she'd be dead by the end of the second season/series, but you can never be sure with US producers ... they'll always find a way to bottle it and stretch it out somehow
[23:41:27] stuartm: or it gets cancelled before it's even begun ...
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[23:53:22] jrr: is it wrong for my one and only backend process to say "Mythbackend: Running as a slave backend" ?
[23:53:26] jrr: seems like it'd be master
[23:53:36] wagnerrp: yes, that is bad
[23:53:39] sphery: yes--means you have your ip addresses messed up
[23:53:51] sphery: mythtv-setup general section
[23:53:56] wagnerrp: the master backend is chosen as the backend whose IP address is the same as the master backend
[23:54:05] wagnerrp: those two IPs there, should match on the master backend
[23:54:13] wagnerrp: if they dont, it will operate as a slave backend
[23:54:17] jrr: ah! okay.
[23:54:24] sphery: and I highly recommend using the routable ip address
[23:54:28] jrr: I figured localhost would be okay for pointint to oneself
[23:54:39] wagnerrp: localhost is not an IP address
[23:55:04] jrr: I meant "localhost" as referring to 127.0.0.1, but anyway, I'll definitely set my external IP as this is a headless box
[23:55:21] jrr: won't ever run a frontend
[23:55:27] sphery: using a routable address makes expanding your system much easier
[23:55:58] jrr: oh cool it's doing things
[23:55:59] sphery: of course, using mythfrontend instead of cmbx makes your system much better, too
[23:56:01] jrr: grabbed schedule
[23:56:12] jrr: what's cmbx?
[23:57:25] sphery: a media center originally designed to run on a hacked xobx, then changed to be a pc program that doesn't support xobx
[23:57:28] wagnerrp: xbmc?
[23:57:43] jrr: I know of xbmc
[23:57:45] sphery: and that doesn't record tv--just plays back random video and music
[23:57:59] wagnerrp: i dont see any mention of xbmc
[23:58:19] sphery: yeah, that's what I meant... some people seem to be using it as an "alternative" (= far less capable) frontend for mythtv
[23:58:28] wagnerrp: sphery: i think he meant he wont ever be running a frontend (on that machine)
[23:58:37] sphery: yeah, I'm now understanding that
[23:58:43] jrr: yeah, that's what I meant
[23:58:52] jrr: though I'm not sure I'll run a real mythfrontend either
[23:59:00] sphery: I didn't get "dedicated backend"--I read it as "only using one backend and no mythtv frontends"
[23:59:23] jrr: I'll use a myth frontend from office, mbe, but probably not in living room
[23:59:29] sphery: anyway, if you have >1 host involved, you /must/ use routable IP address--no 127.0.0.1 or ::1 anywhere in the config
[23:59:34] jrr: depending on the maturity of the windows port, I guess =]
[23:59:40] jrr: yeah, it's an external IP
[23:59:41] sphery: and a dedicated backend + a dedicated frontend is > 1 host

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