Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, August 10th, 2011, 00:00 UTC

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bumblebeebat:

Hey guys, did anyone try out the new netflix chrome plug in

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bumblebeebat:

I think it was released today

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bumblebeebat:

I was able to go to the extension page on my ubuntu laptop and add it to chromium. I dont have a netflix account so I can not confirm if it works

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iamlindoro:

Since netflix is DRM'd Silverlight, the answer under Linux is "no, it doesn't"

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wagnerrp:

if they were using silverlight, why would they need a custom extension for chrome?

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iamlindoro:

Hmm, looks like it is an actual HTML5 interface... unusually enlightened of Netflix, something is surely wrong ;)

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iamlindoro:

Hmm, nope

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iamlindoro:

So the verdict is, "doesn't work"

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iamlindoro:

clicking the netflix app from chromium only brings you to the watch instantly page, and attempting to play anything only displays the requirements, specifically that it be a windows system or Mac with silverlight installed

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wagnerrp:

so as sphery fears, theyre 'appifying' the internet

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wagnerrp:

not actually providing any real functionality

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wagnerrp:

just doing the same exact thing that could be done on a web page, in a custom application

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iamlindoro:

it literally is a web page

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iamlindoro:

sure, a "front row" style web page

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iamlindoro:

but it does nothing to hide the fact that it's still just a page

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tgm4883:

iamlindoro, it apparently works on the chromebook, but not linux in general

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tgm4883:

but yea, super dumb

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iamlindoro:

tgm4883: yeah, I gathered that once I read through the comments

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iamlindoro:

(on the plugin)

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tgm4883:

I wonder what it's detecthing then

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tgm4883:

surely it's not just a user agent detection

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iamlindoro:

I imagine not, though if it's something simple I guess we'll hear about that shortly too

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tgm4883:

ture

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tgm4883:

true*

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mag0o:

Beirdo: good day for some, bad for others. My employer's stock couldn't buy you a happy meal.

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Beirdo:

must not trade in the US then

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Beirdo:

the entire market pretty much went up today for some unknown (by me) reason

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Beirdo:

and the +20% or so on my employer's stock today could buy you several happy meals if you owned enough stock

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wagnerrp:

20%?? crap!

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wagnerrp:

thats good for ten whole years of gains

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wagnerrp:

well.. maybe more like three

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Beirdo:

yeah, I was quite pleasantly surprised

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Beirdo:

no reason why it did that

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wagnerrp:

the stock market is completely without reason

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wagnerrp:

didnt you know that?

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Beirdo:

but hopefully it stays up long enough for my options to exercise at a good price tomorrow

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Beirdo:

oooh, I know

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wagnerrp:

i think im going to update and get myth updated, and then start debugging mythmediaserver

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wagnerrp:

ive had a patch sitting on my drive for a week for the slot/signal stuff danielk wants taken out

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wagnerrp:

but havent gotten around to submitting it

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mag0o:

Beirdo: it's a bank :(

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mag0o:

one that liked worthless assets and now owes the govt right under 1bn

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Beirdo:

ahhh

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Beirdo:

yeah, those are hosed

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Beirdo:

but I think even they got a boost today

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MitchCapper:

my mythbox was 1 month or so out of date so I pulled from trunk and make failed (even though I had done a make clean) due to No rule to make target `../libmythupnp/threadpool.h', needed by `backendselect.o'., so clean checkout and rebuild fixed that but it seems to be having a problem updating the schema

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MitchCapper:

Current MythTV Schema Version (DBSchemaVer): 1278 then followed by No current database version? several times, before Unrecognized database schema version. Unable to upgrade database. and then bailing out

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MitchCapper:

was there some upgrade thing I missed I follow the mythtv-users mailing list but didnt see anything

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wagnerrp:

try a 'make distclean'

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wagnerrp:

and a 'make uninstall'

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, are you the main guy on the command line parser rewrite?

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wagnerrp:

aye

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wagnerrp:

working on mythutil?

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Captain_Murdoch:

what do you think of the look of this: http://pastebin.com/04faemJT

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Captain_Murdoch:

part of that is a mod that displays the help options in the order the are in in the code, so you can logically group things together.

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Captain_Murdoch:

the other part is a change to allow you to insert your own strings into the help text output.

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Captain_Murdoch:

for grouping, etc..

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i had considered some sort of grouping for that purpose

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Beirdo:

Hmmm

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wagnerrp:

but hadnt come up with a way i liked yet

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Captain_Murdoch:

this doesn't really group, just lets you put in arbitrary text lines

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wagnerrp:

id rather keep it auto-generated as much as possible

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Beirdo:

grouping is fine, but within the groups, I would still like to see them sorted

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Captain_Murdoch:

then list them inthe code sorted. :)

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Beirdo:

that's not always possible :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

forcing sorting can make things more confusing to the user sometimes I think

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Beirdo:

true

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Beirdo:

I dunno, I like the output you have there too

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Captain_Murdoch:

related options should be together, not sorted alphabetically (or in who knows what order the QMap iterator gives us now).

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Beirdo:

I would split logging out as a separate group though, not Misc

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wagnerrp:

i had assumed the QMap iterator spit them back out in the order they were put in

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Beirdo:

heh, should be alphabetic coming out of QMap

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wagnerrp:

but i really have no basis for that

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Beirdo:

I thought

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Captain_Murdoch:

I also was thinking about allowing indention of options. so in that example, srcfile and destfile could be indented to show that they went with the above option.

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Beirdo:

or did I specifically sort

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Beirdo:

I forget

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wagnerrp:

i dont recall adding any sorting to the help output

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Captain_Murdoch:

no sorting in the current code. it's whatever QMap decides to give us.

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Beirdo:

When iterating over a QHash, the items are arbitrarily ordered. With QMap, the items are always sorted by key.

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Beirdo:

from QMap's docs

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Beirdo:

but yeah... "sorted by key" is pretty vague

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Beirdo:

anyways, I think your proposal sounds good :)

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MitchCapper:

make distclean and uninstall didn't help, still having the same issue

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Beirdo:

I like sorting, but whatever works, and there is definite merit in your scheme :)

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Beirdo:

MitchCapper: you need to find where the includes were installed

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: i can add an integer to the commandlinearg struct, that increments as values are added

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MitchCapper:

Beirdo i did a clean checkout and it fixed the include error

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Beirdo:

you actually needed to do make uninstall BEFORE updating :)

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wagnerrp:

then when it builds the help, it spits them back out in the same order

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Beirdo:

as make uninstall only uninstalls the files in the current makefile setup

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MitchCapper:

my problem now is it seems to be having an issue on mythbackend starting up of being unable to get the myth database version and then bailing out saying unknown version even though it shows in the log that it gets the current version from the database earlier

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Beirdo:

MitchCapper: you'd have to pastebin the logs

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: in the same manner, what would you say to adding a 'comment' argument

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wagnerrp:

one that would be otherwise dead, but would sit in the same QMap and be spit out by the help generator

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, here's my proof of concept hack patch to generate that help output. not saying it should go in, I was just testing. http://pastebin.com/eCjNSz60

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Captain_Murdoch:

comment per help option or before/after the line or what?

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wagnerrp:

well there are currently all those 'add()' methods

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: for like a --help --argument ?

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wagnerrp:

just make another with a 'add(QString)'

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Beirdo:

to give more specific help on an arg?

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wagnerrp:

that puts in a generic line into the help output

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Beirdo:

ooooh

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, that's what my test patch does basically. addHelpLine(QString);

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Beirdo:

cool

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wagnerrp:

for stuff like 'File Operations'

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Captain_Murdoch:

that first pastebin wasn't a mockup, it's actual code.

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wagnerrp:

right, looking through now

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MitchCapper:

http://pastebin.com/wbhHx8u1

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Captain_Murdoch:

hack though. :) just wanted to see what it looked like.

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MitchCapper:

thats from mythbackend -v all

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Captain_Murdoch:

and the blank lines are inserted with addHelpLine();

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wagnerrp:

ok, so yours actually generates the help as the arguments are loaded, rather than as they are displayed to the terminal

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Captain_Murdoch:

no, the only thing in that list is the help 'name' or a text line to display.

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Captain_Murdoch:

I didn't change the generation of help any. just made a QList so I could remember the insert order easily.

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wagnerrp:

ah, youre just storing the key names in that table

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wagnerrp:

list

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Captain_Murdoch:

and instead of iterating over argmap, I iterate over the QList

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah.

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Captain_Murdoch:

key names or (the hack part) the text line to display.

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Captain_Murdoch:

the text line part was added at the last minute to test the idea. I originally started just to add the QList to maintain order.

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Captain_Murdoch:

easier than sorting the QMap entries later by a member of the struct in the value of the QMap.

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wagnerrp:

true enough

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Captain_Murdoch:

anyway, just thought I'd float the idea out there. I think both the order preservation and the comment insertion would be handy in the help text in general. partially was looking at it to familiarize myself with the parser code while making a mythutil binary.

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Beirdo:

Frick

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MitchCapper:

Beirdo any ideas on the pastbin by chance? i have no idea how to get mythtv running again

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Beirdo:

I missed installing C++ somehow?

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Captain_Murdoch:

the ability to indent an item would be handy as well. could be an optional 'indentLevel' added to ::add(). default would be 0, but you could indent subitems to indicate that they were only used with the above item.

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Beirdo:

one moment

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Beirdo:

Captain_Murdoch: I like that :)

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wagnerrp:

what would you say to tying arguments to other arguments?

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wagnerrp:

i.e. this argument can only be used in combination with this other argument

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Captain_Murdoch:

that would be nice.

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Beirdo:

MitchCapper: not sure. Hmmm

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wagnerrp:

which would also mean arguments may be duplicated under multiple dependencies

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Captain_Murdoch:

then you can error out in the parser if arg X was given but Y wasn't. you could have 1-way and 2-way dependencies. ie, 2-way A requires B and B requires A, and 1-way C requires D, but D doesn't require C.

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Beirdo:

MitchCapper: it might be due to recent database support code structure changes

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wagnerrp:

for instance, mythfilldatabase has a --sourceid option

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wagnerrp:

but it can only be used in combination with --file or --dd-fil

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wagnerrp:

e

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MitchCapper:

any idea on what day that happened? i can try going back to before then

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Captain_Murdoch:

Beirdo, in that log MitchCapper pasted, where are the DB log lines, he ran with "-v all", but I don't see any SQL queries in the log.

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wagnerrp:

so --file and --dd-file would be the primaries, and --sourceid would be listed, indented under both

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Beirdo:

query logging is only done ad loglevel debug

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Captain_Murdoch:

ah, /me forgot about the levels...

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Beirdo:

MitchCapper: in the last couple days

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MitchCapper:

so going back 5 days should be enough?

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Beirdo:

I would think so

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Beirdo:

if that is indeed the issue

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** Beirdo reinstalls mingw **

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Beirdo:

sigh

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch, Beirdo: QMap sorts based off the '<' operator

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Beirdo:

makes sense

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wagnerrp:

i could subclass QString, providing an alternate comparison operator to make the sorting work automagically

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Beirdo:

heh.

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Beirdo:

and make life even more complicated?

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Beirdo:

you could just make the key be an int

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wagnerrp:

of course!

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Beirdo:

and the value a structure with all the data in it

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Beirdo:

although at that point, it's practically a QList of said structures

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Captain_Murdoch:

don't you lookup items using the string key?

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Beirdo:

yeah, but you can have two structures using the same value

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Beirdo:

like have a QList for display, QMap for lookup

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Beirdo:

oh wait, that's pretty much what you did :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

in that case it's easier to just have an QList 'index' of keys as my patch does. :)

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Beirdo:

yeah, not too much different really

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Beirdo:

whether the QList has the map's keys or values, you get pretty much the same result, no?

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Captain_Murdoch:

not for lookups. lookups would have to scan the list every time.

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Captain_Murdoch:

nevermind, you mean in addition to the map.

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Beirdo:

yeah, in addition, not replacement :)

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Beirdo:

gotta say, I'm pretty happy with virtualbox today

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: you have logfile and logpath dumping to the same variable

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wagnerrp:

i dont see how that could actually work

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Beirdo:

it does

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

we check if it's a directory or a file

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wagnerrp:

oh...

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wagnerrp:

that makes sense

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wagnerrp:

although i think it would make more sense if they had independent help strings

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Beirdo:

and then fill in several new hash keys

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Beirdo:

well, they were combined so -l works for both

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Beirdo:

as all the old startup scripts are using -l

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Beirdo:

but we can consider splitting them apart, I think sphery would be happier too :)

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wagnerrp:

let -l be logpath, and error out if people give a file

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wagnerrp:

init scripts can change

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Beirdo:

hmm

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Beirdo:

yeah, that could work, but we'll want to coordinate that move with the mythbuntu folks as it would break their stuff hard

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Beirdo:

all they'd need to do is use --logfile instead of -l

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Beirdo:

oh my goodness, I'm my father's son for sure

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** Beirdo is listening to a liturgical piece of music from the Edwardian era by Thomas Tallis **

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

very nice.

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Beirdo:

we often had Elizabethan music playing in our house when I was growing up

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MitchCapper:

back 5 days fixed it

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Beirdo:

OK, so it looks like we may have an issue in the updated db upgrade code

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Beirdo:

could you possibly create a trac ticket so we don't lose that?

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MitchCapper:

sure

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Beirdo:

big changes often bring a few issues

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MitchCapper:

i generally stay pretty up to date on trunk but htis is the first time I couldnt resolve it on my own

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Beirdo:

this week has been a pretty big change week so far

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Statts:

hi all, having problems installing mythtv to my xbmc live system

[07:51:42]

Statts:

have gone into mythtv-setup and it's complaining that it cannot connect to the database, have I missed something?

[07:52:39]

[R]:

a running mysql server?

[07:54:06]

Statts:

to be honest, I have no idea

[07:54:18]

[R]:

sounds like you havent read the mythtv documentation

[07:54:20]

Statts:

all I have done thus far is apt-get install mythtv

[07:54:33]

Statts:

http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php

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[R]:

mythtv.org

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Statts:

that's what I'm reading atm, and it's not helping me much

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styelz:

apt-get install mythtv-database maybe

[07:57:24]

Statts:

Invalid operation: mythtv-database

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styelz:

you

[07:58:39]

styelz:

try typing it correctly

[08:00:24]

Statts:

done, says it was already installed

[08:00:26]

Statts:

65 not updated

[08:06:43]

Statts:

is there a way to confirm the database exists?

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styelz:

if you are using ubuntu, check in /var/lib/mysql make use mythconverg exists or use mysql, and show databases;

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styelz:

use/sure

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Statts:

styelz, -bash: cd: /var/lib/mysql: Permission denied

[08:14:40]

styelz:

are you root

[08:15:47]

Statts:

when I 'su'

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styelz:

doo eet

[08:16:07]

Statts:

Im getting told my password is wrong, is it not the same password as when i 'sudo'?

[08:16:19]

Statts:

su

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Statts:

Password:

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Statts:

su: Authentication failure

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styelz:

if you want to stay root, type sudo su

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styelz:

type in your pass

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styelz:

if you are allowed

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Statts:

k, it didnt ask

[08:17:06]

Statts:

in /var/lib/mysql

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Statts:

mythconverg directory exists

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styelz:

ok, make sure mysql is running, type service mysql start

[08:18:39]

Statts:

Job is already running

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styelz:

ok, did you logout of X ater adding yourself to mythtv group

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Statts:

oh

[08:21:13]

Statts:

i logged out of xterm

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Statts:

not enough? :)

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styelz:

ty that

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styelz:

nah

[08:21:27]

Statts:

ok, brb

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Statts:

restarted x

[08:23:32]

Statts:

still cannot connect to the database

[08:23:45]

Statts:

is localhost ok to use? I thought I remember seeing somewhere you cannot?

[08:24:07]

styelz:

try 127.0.0.1

[08:24:23]

Statts:

what should username be?

[08:24:31]

Statts:

my xbmc username or 'mythtv'?

[08:24:43]

styelz:

the mysql database user

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Statts:

didnt ask me for a username? only a password?

[08:26:23]

Statts:

doesnt work with localhost, 127.0.0.1, or the IP of the machine

[08:26:38]

styelz:

what user/pass are you using

[08:27:04]

Statts:

tried both my xbmc machine username 'xbmc' and default which was 'mythtv'

[08:27:28]

Statts:

password that I enetered during setup is the same as the xbmc password

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styelz:

ok check this file for user/pass

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styelz:

/etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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Statts:

whaaaaa

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Statts:

password is some messed up combo

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styelz:

yea, use that

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Statts:

nothing like anything I ever entered

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Statts:

is it enter once? or can I change it?

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styelz:

that was what was created duing setup

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styelz:

just use that

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styelz:

it wont ask again

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styelz:

if you want to change it, look up changing a mysql user password

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Statts:

it worked, thanks

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Statts:

k I gotta go to training, will setup tuners when I get home

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Statts:

thanks again styelz

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styelz:

no probs, have fun.

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Statts:

ok im back, training got cancelled

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Statts:

looks like configuring my tuner card will be difficult, but we'll give it a shot

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lapion:

what kinda tuners do you have Statts

[09:44:30]

Statts:

Hauppage HVR-2200

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lapion:

well does mythtv-setup detect it ?

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Statts:

hrmmm there was some kind of error

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Statts:

I'll have to run setup again

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Statts:

I guess I just assumed I'd have to install drivers

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lapion:

do an sudo lspci

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lapion:

and then sudo lshw|less

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lapion:

in the first it should show in the list of pci devices

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lapion:

in the second you should see more info regarding all info of you xbox, so page down untill you find said device

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Statts:

02:00.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors Device 7164 (rev 81)

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Statts:

looks like it?

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lapion:

probably.. but lshw should also show you whether it's linked to any driver

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lapion:

+s

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Statts:

lshw: command not found

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lapion:

well the card should work out of the box.. however you do need to be certain you have free to air on the source-connection you are using http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-2250

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Statts:

sorry, not sure what you mean there

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Statts:

reading taht page as we speak

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lapion:

well unless you are using a kernelversion older than 2.6.33 the card should work as soon as the system booted past the driver initialisation part

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Statts:

am using xbmc live, Dharma

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Statts:

so... ubuntu 10.04?

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lapion:

Statts, check uname -a

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Statts:

2.6.32

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Statts:

Linux 192-168-1–7 2.6.32-29-generic #58-Ubuntu SMP Fri Feb 11 19:00:09 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux

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Statts:

bummer?

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lapion:

well it was set to be included in 2.6.32 so it might have allready been in there ..

[10:05:31]

lapion:

have you tried to configure it allready ?

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Statts:

only very quickly

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Statts:

I need to peel the wife away from the tv and try it

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lapion:

use remote-X over ssh..

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Statts-a:

Oh ok

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Statts-a:

That does graphical?

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lapion:

if you have ssh-server installed on the xbmc

[10:09:36]

lapion:

you can use ssh -X

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Statts:

well, I can ssh into it, is that what you mean?

[10:10:47]

lapion:

any X-application you start in the ssh session will be running on the xbmc but the shell (gui) will be running on the X-Server of the computer whence you ssh-d from

[10:11:08]

lapion:

so if you where to do ssh -X

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Statts:

is there an application I need, or do it from within putty?

[10:12:12]

lapion:

hmm you need an X-Server on the local machine so basic windows system is out of the question

[10:12:42]

lapion:

however you could install a X-server on the windows system

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Statts:

http://x.cygwin.com/ ?

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styelz:

xming might be easier

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Statts:

thanks

[10:16:12]

lapion:

probably

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lapion:

then you could run the mythtv-setup wiht the display on your windows system

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lapion:

however mythtv-setup does stop mythtv-backend

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Statts:

ok, xming installed

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Statts:

how do I start the x session?

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styelz:

just run xapps in ssh -X and they appear

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styelz:

as long as xming is running

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Statts:

so... I need putty running?

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Statts:

I typed ssh -X and got the following

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styelz:

putty -X

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Statts:

ok, done, my normal putty connection window comes up

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Statts:

connect as normal, or?

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Statts:

X11 forwading is enabled in options

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styelz:

type mythtv-setup

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Statts:

http://pastebin.com/jsTetL4r

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styelz:

dont start x

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styelz:

x is xming

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Statts:

bash: mythtv-setup: command not found

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Statts:

errr that worked before :S

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Statts:

lol

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Statts:

ssh'd into wrong machine

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Statts:

# mythtv-setup

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Statts:

xprop: unable to open display ''

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Statts:

(zenity:2519): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:

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styelz:

Statts: make sure xming is running, should be an icon in the icon tray

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Statts:

it sure is

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Statts:

xming log : http://pastebin.com/NsD6UiA5

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styelz:

dunno what your prob is there

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Statts:

hrmmm fun and games :)

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styelz:

the error message in xming, means you already have an x server running, try close xming and start again

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Statts:

seems to have 'done more' this time

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Statts:

http://pastebin.com/UzzbDccd

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styelz:

ok, now start putty and run mythtv-setup i guess

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Statts:

still got this in putty though # mythtv-setup

[10:48:09]

Statts:

xprop: unable to open display ''

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Statts:

(zenity:2537): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:

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Statts:

root@192-168-1–7:/home/xbmc#

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styelz:

sudo mythtv-setup

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styelz:

or whatever it is

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Statts:

same

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Statts:

do I need to define xming's location in putty?

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styelz:

dunno then, maybe X11 forwarding is off on the sshd or the X

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styelz:

tell wife to cook some eggs

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Statts:

told putty where xmin.exe resides

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Statts:

still no change

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styelz:

its not seting the DISPLAY

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Statts:

i thought xming WAS the display?

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styelz:

try export DISPLAY=10.0

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styelz:

and these are set in /etc/ssh/sshd_config .. X11Forwarding yes and X11DisplayOffset 10

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Statts:

both were set

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styelz:

ok

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Statts:

same, xprop: unable to open display ''

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styelz:

sorry i made an err, try

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styelz:

export DISPLAY=localhost:10.0

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Statts:

$ sudo mythtv-setup

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Statts:

xprop: unable to open display 'localhost:10.0'

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Statts:

(zenity:2940): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: localhost:10.0

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styelz:

dunno mate, works here with putty -X

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Statts:

oh well, give up :)

[11:01:05]

Statts:

will have to kick her off the htpc soon

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AndyCap:

Statts: there's a checkbox in putty settings for X forwarding.

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Statts:

yes there is, it's enabled

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Statts:

not sure if I had to put something in the text box under it though?

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Statts:

'X display location'

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AndyCap:

Statts: that should point to the display provided by xming on your localhost

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Statts:

how do I find out that location?

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Statts:

winClipboardProc – DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 ?

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Statts:

from xming log

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AndyCap:

Statts: then localhost:0.0 should be fine

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Statts:

same problem, cannot open display

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AndyCap:

Statts: you started a new session right?

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Statts:

yes

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AndyCap:

do you have xauth on the remote machine?

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Statts:

ok it worked this time after doing

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Statts:

export DISPLAY=localhost:0.0

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styelz:

ah

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Statts:

but then the display came up on the television in my loungeroom haha

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Statts:

all I heard was "HEY, WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!"

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Statts:

the pop-up window about mythtv backend needing to be stopped to continue setup is what appeared on the tv screen

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Statts:

so something happened, but not what I wanted

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AndyCap:

Statts: yes, shouldn't need to mess with DISPLAY variables if putty works properly

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Statts:

putty works fine

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Statts:

but without doing that export line, all i get is 'cannot open display' errors

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AndyCap:

the way this works is that putty sets up a port forward and does the magic with setting DISPLAY and adding xauth cookies

[11:28:35]

rileyp:

Is anyone using irsend in natty I cant get it to work

[11:29:02]

Statts:

<AndyCap> do you have xauth on the remote machine?

[11:29:05]

Statts:

back to this

[11:30:32]

Statts:

how do I check, or whatnot

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AndyCap:

Statts: do xauth list on your remote machine

[11:31:17]

Statts:

$ xauth list

[11:31:17]

Statts:

192-168-1–7/unix:0 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 f6758d2b17f5dff7bbb7291336f5a10e

[11:31:17]

Statts:

192-168-1–7.home:0 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 f6758d2b17f5dff7bbb7291336f5a10e

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styelz:

im using putty 0.61

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AndyCap:

Statts: well, it should have an entry for whatever your X forward putty set up

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AndyCap:

i.e. not display :0 but something higher up like :10 or :11

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Statts:

and it doesnt?

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AndyCap:

you have cookies for unix:0 home:0

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AndyCap:

Statts: try this. : ssh -X localhost and do xauth list from inside the ssh

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Statts:

so

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Statts:

putty -X localhost?

[11:36:21]

Statts:

Connection refused

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AndyCap:

Statts: no

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styelz:

nah ssh, from your remote pc

[11:36:48]

Statts:

gah, she's watching a show at the moment

[11:37:02]

styelz:

putty into the machine

[11:37:09]

styelz:

then type ssh -X localhost on it

[11:37:35]

styelz:

thats what AndyCap meant

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styelz:

?

[11:37:51]

Statts:

$ sudo mythtv-setup

[11:37:51]

Statts:

[sudo] password for xbmc:

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Statts:

xprop: unable to open display ''

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Statts:

(zenity:3252): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:

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AndyCap:

"To check that X forwarding has been successfully negotiated during connection startup, you can check the PuTTY Event Log"

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AndyCap:

Statts: the question was if it set up an xauth cookie it would not make mythtv-setup work.-

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AndyCap:

Statts: http://the.earth.li/~sgtatham/putty/0.53/html . . . er3.html#3.4 close putty, and start a new session, make sure you have ticked the X forwarding box, and cookie auth before connecting.

[11:39:49]

AndyCap:

Statts: then check the putty log about X

[11:43:23]

Statts:

where is the cookie auth check box?

[11:43:38]

Statts:

oh, MIT-Magic-Cookie, right?

[11:43:46]

styelz:

yer

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styelz:

dont orget to go back to session and hit save

[11:44:35]

styelz:

make sure you select the connection to edit first too

[11:44:36]

Statts:

ok all options in putty are done

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Statts:

im logged in, and event log is running

[11:45:00]

Statts:

now 'ssh -X localhost'?

[11:45:28]

styelz:

echo $DISPLAY . see if it is set

[11:46:01]

Statts:

it is not

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Statts:

output was blank

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AndyCap:

so check the putty log

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AndyCap:

something like the docs say: 2001-12–05 17:22:01 Requesting X11 forwarding

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Statts:

nope

[11:47:02]

Statts:

nothing like it

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Statts:

mind, you cant open the putty even log until after you are connected?

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Statts:

http://pastebin.com/Dyy7N9uQ

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Statts:

event log

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AndyCap:

you can probably open it after you press connect, but before entering a username

[11:48:44]

AndyCap:

well, it's not even trying so you probably have the putty settings wrong

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styelz:

yer

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Statts:

the box is checked, I don't know what else to say

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styelz:

open the putty window, click on the connection name to edit

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styelz:

then edit the settings

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styelz:

then go back to Session, at the top of putty settings, and hit save

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Statts:

2011-08–10 21:20:23 Requesting X11 forwarding

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Statts:

2011-08–10 21:20:23 X11 forwarding enabled

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Statts:

sheesh, that was difficult

[11:50:58]

styelz:

heh

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Statts:

I've never had settings not stick without saving before

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Statts:

*difficult for me, I can't imagine how rage-inducing it must be for you good patient people*

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Statts:

and now it's working :D

[11:52:53]

styelz:

well, i dont have a wife for starters

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styelz:

;)

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Statts:

haha

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Statts:

so now I'm up to configuring dtv cards

[11:54:03]

Statts:

how do i know if it has automatically detected?

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styelz:

try add it as a card in setup

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Statts:

doing that now

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Statts:

asking me all kinds of shit I don't know though

[11:55:13]

Statts:

DVB Device Number?

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styelz:

did it detect?

[11:55:54]

styelz:

or is it empty

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Statts:

empty

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styelz:

:(

[11:56:24]

styelz:

under what Card Type?

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styelz:

oh n/m

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styelz:

just looking now

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Statts:

Hauppage HVR2200

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styelz:

hm ok

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styelz:

what's in dmesg

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styelz:

dmesg |grep DVB

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Statts:

nothing

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styelz:

try adding this line to /etc/modprobe.d/options.conf

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styelz:

options saa7164 card=4

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Statts:

errr

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Statts:

[ New File ]

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styelz:

ok

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styelz:

when done, try

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styelz:

modprobe saa7164 card=4

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Statts:

no return

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styelz:

then lsmod |grep dvb

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Statts:

$ modprobe saa7164 card=4

[12:05:39]

Statts:

xbmc@192-168-1–7:~$

[12:05:44]

styelz:

ok

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styelz:

does dmesg show anything now

[12:06:01]

Statts:

$ lsmod |grep dvb

[12:06:01]

Statts:

dvb_core 86206 1 saa7164

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styelz:

does it show up in setup if you restart

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Statts:

checking now

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rileyp:

set up of the hvr 2200 here http://www.pcmediacenter.com.au/forum/topic/3 . . . #entry320637 happy reading!

[12:14:23]

Statts:

no still not showing up

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rileyp:

looks like you need a firmware file http://www.pcmediacenter.com.au/forum/topic/3 . . . t__p__318915

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styelz:

http://bootpolish.net/blog#22/05/2010: home theatre pc – configuring hauppauge hvr2200 tv card

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styelz:

yes

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rileyp:

22/05/2010 what kernel you running?

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Statts:

looks like that is the dealio for me

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Statts:

<Statts> Linux 192-168-1–7 2.6.32-29-generic #58-Ubuntu SMP Fri Feb 11 19:00:09 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux

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rileyp:

if your kernel is differnt to the one used by that person on that date forget it

[12:20:29]

rileyp:

luicy lui :D

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styelz:

:\

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Statts:

?

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rileyp:

lucid

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Statts:

http://www.pcmediacenter.com.au/forum/topic/3 . . . t__p__318915

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Statts:

this then I think?

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rileyp:

statts stroll through those nine pages and you should work out whats up I use sony playtv's they plug in and work

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Statts:

yeah if this gets too difficult I'll just upgrade to a new dvb

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styelz:

i use hdhomerun

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Statts:

I got this one as it was the best around for 7MCE

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Statts:

hg clone http://kernellabs.com/hg/~stoth/saa7164-v4l

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Statts:

hg command not found?

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rileyp:

I swore a long time to only buy a dvb that plug in and works if It dont I sell it and change to something that does. You could sell your hvr2200 and buy 2 play tvs with the profits and be in heaven....

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Statts:

what are playtv's worth?

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Statts:

$75?

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Statts:

second hand hvr2200 goes for about $150

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rileyp:

$60 delivered to your door in aus from uk if you but 2 though it would work out cheaper

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rileyp:

and they are dual tuner dvb

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Statts:

from what site?

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rileyp:

dvd.uk

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Statts:

they're just USB, I assume?

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Statts:

holy shit, they're $140 locally

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rileyp:

yes on ebay $55 i was told yesrday

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styelz:

love how mythtv does dual recordings on 1 multiplex thingo

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rileyp:

not dual as many as you like

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styelz:

neat, so if its dual tuner you can get 4 channels at a time in some cases

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Statts:

how the hell does it do that?

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rileyp:

so all four abc at once plus go gem and nine

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Statts:

Au$42.99 + AU$12.99 on ebay

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rileyp:

so if you buy 2 that would allow to to record just about everything..

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Statts:

$56!

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styelz:

if you have a show on gem and nine set to record, it can use just 1 tuner for both, if im not mistaken

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rileyp:

yep

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rileyp:

yes thats correct

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Statts:

that's madness

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Statts:

I'm so glad I moved to xbmc

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rileyp:

I used to have a single core atom back end and recorded 12 channels at one on it faultlessly :D

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styelz:

nice

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rileyp:

i now have a hp microserverdual ccore 1.3 ghz and can record every fta channel at once if i want :D

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Statts:

hrmmm impatient

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Statts:

$70 + $12 shipping it is

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rileyp:

myth is hard on the uptake but you will never look back

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Statts:

oh hai rileyp, I have 2 of those too!

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Statts:

ocau, whirlpool, or otherwise?

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rileyp:

im on ocau and whirlpool and auspc as above link I moved accross 2 years ago now

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Statts:

cool

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Statts:

I got a microserver in the first HP release (after the shitstorm of the original suppliers) and one in the most recent HP release

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Statts:

http://users.tpg.com.au/statts/microserver/mi . . . opulated.jpg there's my baby

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rileyp:

and bought a 1080p projecter and love it sit on couch irc alt/tab tv rf keyboard "D

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Statts:

awesome

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rileyp:

n36l ?

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Statts:

can I run mythtv on solaris?

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Statts:

yeah, n36l

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rileyp:

thats what i have

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Statts:

yeah i have a couple of them now, latest just arrived

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rileyp:

never used solaris

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Statts:

that particular one in the photo has 5 3TB drives, 5 1TB drives and a 500GB for the OS and VMs

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rileyp:

so you have a extra card for more sata drives?

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Statts:

yeah, IBM BR10i

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rileyp:

does the psu cope with the extra load

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Statts:

yeah no problems, IBM card does staggered spin-up which helps

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rileyp:

cool

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Statts:

next microserver will most likely be 7x 3TB drives

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rileyp:

are they still for sale?

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Statts:

jno, closed again

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Statts:

other than retailers with markup

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Statts:

cheapest is around $250 plus shipping now

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Statts:

which is still a bargain for the specs, but not when you know what the sold for previously

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rileyp:

i got one for $187 delivered

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rileyp:

they are a nice little box collect dust good in my shed,,, Used to using open box and holding fan and blasting with compressed air every now and then

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Statts:

lol

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rileyp:

the price of the playtvs listed on dvd.uk include vat which gets removedfor international buyers

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Statts:

already purchased from australian ebayer

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Statts:

$82

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Statts:

I'm impatient

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rileyp:

i gotto sort out irsend in natty

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rileyp:

so I can turn my projecter on/off and receivers volume and on of and input via mythfrontend

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Statts:

that's very cool

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rileyp:

it makes it all so seemless with one remote that hasnt got a screen to destroy movie time with

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Statts:

how do you get that happening?

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rileyp:

I have a logitech but they are shit compared to htpc controlling everything heres my guide http://www.pcmediacenter.com.au/forum/topic/4 . . . ector-guide/

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rileyp:

works fine in lucid, though natty with its in kernel support for the mceusb I cant get it working

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rileyp:

i want to use natty as it can do dolby true hd audio which is awesome to say the least

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rileyp:

but its breaking my heart.... Its no biggy really as i can use use lucid for everyday use and then when if i come accross a true hd audio fiel i can reboot and use natty I suppose. the documentation with the changes in lirc does not cover blasting

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Statts:

cool

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Statts:

my receiver does true-hd and dts-hd ma

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Statts:

whats the status with xbmc?

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Statts:

using xbmc live 10.1, so ubuntu 10.04 in the background I think

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rileyp:

not yet but they are working on it. It may be in a beta/testing release

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AndyCap:

rs232 ftw. :)

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rileyp:

you suggesting a rs232 serial blaster?

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Statts:

thanks rileyp, look forward to having it working

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AndyCap:

no. :) projector and amp with rs232 inputs.

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rileyp:

hmm another method of controlling... nice

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AndyCap:

rileyp: if you have an amp above the low-end it might have rs232 control.

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rileyp:

id prolly need a usb to serial dongle or two as well

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rileyp:

its a yamaha 665 so it probably has

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rileyp:

doe steh usb to serial make it messy

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AndyCap:

rileyp: partially, you want the ports to stay the same after reboot, so some way to identify each dongle from udev is nice.

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AndyCap:

rileyp: looks like the z700 has rs232 support as well, but not well documented. http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin/mboard/r . . . ad.cgi?24857

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rileyp:

I seriously doubt my ion2 has a serial port and I have no idea how to use serial transmision could you link me somewhere please on a how to?

[13:18:52]

rileyp:

just so happens i have a sanyo plv z 700 too!

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rileyp:

nice link thanks bookmarks link :D I have db9 plugs in sed and cable ooh the fun to had soon!

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Statts:

so..... Harmony remote, Microsoft receiver... whats the best thing to put it under in the Logitech setup?

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rileyp:

mycosys hi

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rileyp:

control of amp via rs232 may be the solution Im looking for

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rileyp:

wow rs232 control looks easy

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Statts:

I know a guy in Sydney that does all kinds of home automation over network and rs232

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Statts:

called Control4 or something

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rileyp:

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/USB-2-0-9PIN-RS232 . . . em19be71a1ee

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rileyp:

$5 lol

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rileyp:

problem will be if it changes port after a suspend

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rileyp:

something to consider anyway i think I have one lying around in shed. worth a crack

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justinh:

step away from the harmony remote & get a proper one with real switches under the key mat :-)

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justinh:

or you may find in 12–18 months time that the most frequently used buttons become inoperable

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Why, he gains a whole lot more time to spend outside and away from the computer ;)

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iamlindoro:

alternately, he gains a lot more heating of the house in Winter

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wagnerrp:

you ever notice that all of our asian language tickets are really stupid?

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iamlindoro:

I assume that it's language barrier stuff-- we don't seem to have a functional japanese translation and that's where many of them come from

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wagnerrp:

oddly, this one had a UAE email address

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wagnerrp:

distinctly not asian

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iamlindoro:

I know that there are a lot of asian engineers in the UAE for their huge building and infrastructure projects

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jams:

Emptyed the trash in kmail, it's been processing for over an hour with no visual results, just a couple cores pegged at 100% cpu usage.

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wagnerrp:

swapping?

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jams:

nope

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jams:

haven't touched swap

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jams:

2% io wait

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jams:

just busy doing something

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wagnerrp:

i have problems with thunderbird sucking down large amounts of CPU on my laptop

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wagnerrp:

but thats mostly because my laptop has no CPU to give

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jams:

this is an i7 3GHZ

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jams:

granted it's chugging through 91K of msgs

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Beirdo:

fricking Qt.

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Beirdo:

trying to compile it in a now 2GB VM running Vista... it's running outta memory, it seems

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Beirdo:

which is frickin odd because my backend box has 2GB RAM... and has no issues compiling anything

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Beirdo:

go, Windows

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Beirdo:

I think I'll run Windows Update

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Beirdo:

heheh 108 updates

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Beirdo:

enjoy.

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jams:

Beirdo- so i have to ask..how did you get stuck with vista?

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jams:

or is this a buildbot

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stuartm:

http://www.reghardware.com/2011/08/10/review_ . . . us_pci_card/

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sid3windr:

fun stuff :)

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stuartm:

the review basically sums it up as being completely pointless, given which the 65% score is pretty generous

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jams:

i like the bit about how the box and manual disagree about hdmi and ps3/xbox

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iamlindoro:

stuartm: To me it reads like a review by someone who is unfamiliar with and unenthusiastic about the purpose

[16:14:01]

iamlindoro:

Hauppauge may not market it properly (namely, to the homebrew DVR crowd) but most people who buy it know what they're getting into/what they're after

[16:14:55]

iamlindoro:

As far as gotchas are concerned, the manual vs. box issue is a legitimate concern, but the fact that the device itself is subject to the limitations of every other capture device shouldn't be held against the single device

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stuartm:

iamlindoro: it's useless in the UK for DVR purposes

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stuartm:

there is no such thing as HDMI without HDCP, or component on STBs

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iamlindoro:

stuartm: That might be true... but that's not a UK specific site

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stuartm:

well, yes, it is

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iamlindoro:

Is it? My mistake then

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EvilGuru:

stuartm: Many sky boxes still have working component

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EvilGuru:

I suspect HDCP strippers to come out of china before long

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iamlindoro:

HDCP strippers have been available for a number of years

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EvilGuru:

I remember the HDMI => DVI one that was around for a bit

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EvilGuru:

Just can't remember one that is HDMI => HDMI and does not claim to offer any legit functionality

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iamlindoro:

Heh, the last clause is hardly the point

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EvilGuru:

HDFury is quite close to a stripper

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iamlindoro:

if you're looking for an HDMI stripper, then you're not concerned with whether it claims to be legit

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EvilGuru:

Very true

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, there *is* at least one HDMI->HDMI device that I know of

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EvilGuru:

May even be legal here in the UK now

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iamlindoro:

But that's about as close as I prefer to tread in this channel

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EvilGuru:

as we are, quite recently, allowed to make personal copies of CD/DVDs and rip stuff for personal use

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wagnerrp:

there was some autosensing HDMI switch that removed HDCP for a time

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wagnerrp:

but they got their keys revoked a long time back

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stuartm:

EvilGuru: really? my mistake then, I've never seen one, but I don't expect it to last

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wagnerrp:

right, thats the problem

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wagnerrp:

keys can be revoked, and they have been, multiple times over the history of HDCP

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stuartm:

EvilGuru: that was a recommendation, it hasn't gone into law yet, so for now it's still illegal to rip CDs

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EvilGuru:

wagnerrp: Right, but for a stripper I suspect they will have no frets about using the release master key

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EvilGuru:

*released

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wagnerrp:

and doing what? including a beefy processor to generate new keys on the fly? cycling until it gets one that is accepted?

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EvilGuru:

wagnerrp: Errr, the entire key matrix for HDCP is in the public domain

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wagnerrp:

yes, and what do you propose they do with that key matrix?

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EvilGuru:

Pick a random key, see if it has been revoked, if not, use it

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wagnerrp:

right, and you're not going to be doing that on a bitty microcontroller

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EvilGuru:

it is not an intensive operation

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EvilGuru:

I suspect any such strippers will be driven by an off the shelf FPGA

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EvilGuru:

then handshaking is not a difficult process, nothing compared to public/private key crpto

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EvilGuru:

the problem with the scheme used was that they are a finite number of possible keys

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EvilGuru:

*there are

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wagnerrp:

the problem with the scheme used was that they are trying to protect against someone with physical access

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wagnerrp:

that never has been and never will be a tenable solution

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stuartm:

EvilGuru: worth keeping in mind that even if format-shifting is made legal, breaking HDCP will always break the contract with the service provider and as such it remains verboten

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Peitolm:

hey sphery, you had a hand in the perl modules for MythTV iirc, do you know of any usage documentation for them?

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wagnerrp:

the perl bindings have hardly been touched since sphery became a dev

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Peitolm:

ah, wagnerrp you were one of the other people working on bindings iirc?

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wagnerrp:

nope, ive never touched the perl bindings

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Peitolm:

python wasn't it?

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Peitolm:

or am i mis-remembering (highly likely)

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wagnerrp:

yes, i rewrote the python bindings

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Peitolm:

I want to create something similar to the mythpodcaster, but with perl (mainly because i don't like java)

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wagnerrp:

honestly, i would write it in C++

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wagnerrp:

or php

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Peitolm:

I only know perl, and a v.small ammount of python

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Peitolm:

otherwise i'd try and integrate it into mythweb

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jams:

wagnerrp- kmail finally finished.

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wagnerrp:

Peitolm: are there any pressing issues you want to fix with that in the near term?

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ICM^:

so, when I run mythfrontend on my laptop, no window comes up? (the last line says 'New DB connection, total: 1')

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Peitolm:

wagnerrp: I'm sorry, i'm not sure i understant your question

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wagnerrp:

what version? you are telling it to access the remote database on your backend?

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ICM^:

wagnerrp front end version v0.24.1, and yes (a window did come up that let me configure, so I pointed it to the proper machine)

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wagnerrp:

Peitolm: i mean, there are upcoming schema changes sphery is planning, and upcoming jobqueue changes i am planning, that would significantly change the structure of such an application

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wagnerrp:

the web interface might remain the same, but thats about it

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Peitolm:

i see, let me outline my thoughts so far.

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wagnerrp:

were planning on getting both in for 0.26

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Peitolm:

I'd like to be able, somehow to say 'provide me a podcast of X show in Y format'

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wagnerrp:

the shots of he java application seemed to indicate thats what it did

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Peitolm:

which i would expect to insert a job onto the recording schedule for X to transcode each show to the new format

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wagnerrp:

so youre wanting to interface it with the jobqueue, rather than run its own external transcode daemon

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Peitolm:

I think that's the better option going forward

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wagnerrp:

i agree completely

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Peitolm:

it would be nice to be able to say 'when this show finishes, provide these formats as copies'

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Peitolm:

and when the main recording is deleted, for those copies to also go

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wagnerrp:

but in order to make that work cleanly, it would require those two changes i mentioned above

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Peitolm:

cool

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wagnerrp:

the schema changes are a different way of storing recordings

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wagnerrp:

one that would allow one recording to map to multiple files

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wagnerrp:

say multiple different transcoded versions of a recording

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Peitolm:

sweet

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wagnerrp:

the jobqueue changes are to incorporate a proper scheduler into the jobqueue, and to remove the 4-user job limitation

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wagnerrp:

with only four user jobs, you cant really afford to dedicate multiple to different transcoding profiles

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Peitolm:

unless that job queue is a script...

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wagnerrp:

and instead would have to simply use a single job that would run the proper transcode profile

[17:10:10]

wagnerrp:

but then that has limitations

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wagnerrp:

for example, you couldnt use it to independently and simultaneously transcode to two different profiles

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wagnerrp:

unless the script were going to do all that on its own

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Peitolm:

mythtranscode &

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Peitolm:

?

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wagnerrp:

in which case youre looking at all sorts of mess

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wagnerrp:

Peitolm: then the job would terminate and be marked as finished

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Peitolm:

sounds cool

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wagnerrp:

while a disk and processor intensive task is off running in the background with no checks

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wagnerrp:

if the transcode fails, you have no way of knowing

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wagnerrp:

if you have multiple files queued up, the jobqueue would send them off in rapid file, resulting in all of them vying for the same resources

[17:12:08]

Peitolm:

certainly not without funkyness

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Peitolm:

thanks for headsup, do you have any indication of timeline?

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wagnerrp:

0.25 still needs to be released

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Peitolm:

o.k.

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wagnerrp:

which requires a feature freeze and a month or so of testing before release

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wagnerrp:

i would expect both to go in within a month after that

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Peitolm:

hopefully I'll be back later, time for tea.

[17:14:26]

wagnerrp:

ICM^: is your laptop authorized to access the database?

[17:14:45]

wagnerrp:

ICM^: try deleting your theme cache on your laptop (~/.mythtv/themecache)

[17:14:53]

Peitolm:

sounds like we're a number of months off yet, i'm looking to get this working around November time

[17:15:43]

wagnerrp:

i would expect both of these to make it into the developmental code some time before the end of the year

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wagnerrp:

i dont expect 0.25 to sit waiting that long

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ICM^:

wagnerrp I entered in the database password on my laptop, but I didn't take any steps to authorize it on the back end, if I must

[17:16:15]

ICM^:

(and deleting my themecache didn't work :( )

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wagnerrp:

ICM^: the database must be set up to listen on the network, and you must grant privileges to the remote client

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wagnerrp:

just use the same GRANT command you used when setting up the backend, and change the address to suit

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ICM^:

I don't remember using a GRANT command when setting up the backend ._.

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wagnerrp:

what distro is your backend?

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ICM^:

backend is Ubuntu 10 (front end is crunchbang)

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wagnerrp:

ubuntu would have set up the necessary permissions for you

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wagnerrp:

see the documentation on the mythtv web page for mysql setup

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ICM^:

thank you

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wagnerrp:

or maybe mythbuntu has some special UI for granting additional permissions

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ICM^:

there's a backend setup, but I don't believe it's in there

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ICM^:

the proper wildcard is %, yes? grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"129.21.%.%" identified by "mythtv"; should work for all 129.21.*.* ?

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wagnerrp:

should work, yes

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wagnerrp:

but 129?

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wagnerrp:

maybe 192?

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ICM^:

nope, 129 is correct

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wagnerrp:

no, that is bad

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ICM^:

our college owns 129.21.*.*

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wagnerrp:

that means youre on a globally accessible address

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ICM^:

yes indeed

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wagnerrp:

you dont want to open up your mysql server to the world

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wagnerrp:

you will want some form of firewall between your mythtv system and the rest of the network

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ICM^:

isn't that what the password is for?

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wagnerrp:

do you really want to trust the mysql password security?

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wagnerrp:

and besides, youre using 'mythtv:mythtv'

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wagnerrp:

in any case, mythtv itself is not secure

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wagnerrp:

you can discover it through UPNP

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wagnerrp:

and can access it with no authentication

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wagnerrp:

it should NEVER be exposed to an insecure network

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ICM^:

define 'access it'

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wagnerrp:

connect to it?

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ICM^:

yeah, but again, isn't that what the password is for? I'm using mythtv:ohaipasswordhere

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wagnerrp:

that only protects the database

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ICM^:

but anyone could connect and watch TV with just mythtv:mythtv ?

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wagnerrp:

there are all sorts of nasty things you can do over the backend protocol and http interfaces

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wagnerrp:

mythfrontend is set up to require the database

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ICM^:

hm.

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wagnerrp:

but there is nothing preventing a 3rd party application from running livetv off your backend with no access besides the backend protcool

[17:31:19]

wagnerrp:

and they would surely have no problem deleting any file you have in any storage group

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ICM^:

That's really.. insecure. I thought there would have at least been some sort of authentication

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wagnerrp:

and worse yet, if you added that grant that allowed global access to your whole campus

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wagnerrp:

they can simply ask the backend what the database credentials are

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ICM^:

O_o

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ICM^:

Is there any better solution?

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wagnerrp:

firewalling off the necessary ports, or using a router to place yourself on a private network

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ICM^:

my campus has a lightning quick LAN (and wireless LAN), and I'd like to be able to watch TV from one of the acadmic buildings or some such on my laptop

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ICM^:

sounds like firewalling off the necessary ports is my best option. suggestions? IPTables or somesuch?

[17:36:43]

ICM^:

and... why no login implemented?

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wagnerrp:

because it was never considered needed

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wagnerrp:

youre supposed to run mythtv on your own home network

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ICM^:

fair enough

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wagnerrp:

if you connect your laptop from another building, do you still keep the same IP address?

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ICM^:

possibly (not 100% sure though), but for shits and grins, we'll say I do

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wagnerrp:

please watch the language in this channel

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ICM^:

I keep the same hostname at the minimum

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ICM^:

sorry.

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wagnerrp:

hostname wont cut it, firewalls dont operate at that level

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wagnerrp:

do you have any spare machines handy?

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ICM^:

unfortunately no

[17:40:16]

ICM^:

not other than this desktop and my latpop (the back and front ends respectively)

[17:41:35]

wagnerrp:

best option would be to set up some private tunnel between your laptop and desktop, and then only allow connections to mythtv's and mysql's ports through that tunnel

[17:42:02]

ICM^:

that could work, I could do it in a shell script probably pretty easily

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ICM^:

just an SSH tunnel yes?

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wagnerrp:

but, limiting your ports to a specific IP and turning off UPNP discovery should work well enough

[17:42:51]

wagnerrp:

if your laptop's IP changes, you will need to log in and update the firewall rules to match

[17:42:55]

ICM^:

I asked, and the IP will change whenever i move about the network

[17:42:56]

ICM^:

yeah

[17:43:19]

ICM^:

so if I just SSH tunnel in via a shell script on my laptop, it should work(?)

[17:43:41]

wagnerrp:

well its not simply 'just'

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wagnerrp:

you would use ssh to spawn a 'tun' interface to manage the tunnel, with its own private address

[17:44:46]

wagnerrp:

and configure your firewall to only allow mythtv and the database to operate on that private subnet

[17:45:02]

ICM^:

this is getting complicated, haha, but I like this idea

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ICM^:

I'd also want mythtv to allow localhost

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kormoc:

just setup openvpn

[17:51:46]

kormoc:

it's dirt simple and solves your issue

[17:52:20]

wagnerrp:

will openvpn work on a single machine like that with no internal network to connect to?

[17:52:41]

ICM^:

i mean, technically we have an internal network, the structure is weird

[17:52:49]

ICM^:

it acts like an internal network, just every computer is internet-facing

[17:53:04]

wagnerrp:

it acts like the internet, with sane routing

[17:53:16]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, aye, it handles the tun creation and routing, and then it's just a few iptable rules to have it just work (tm)(r)

[17:53:34]

ICM^:

this is a little beyond me to be honest

[17:53:47]

ICM^:

i'd like to do it, though. better safe than sorry

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kormoc:

ICM^, it's how you learn :)

[17:54:04]

ICM^:

yeah, unfortunately next week is finals week, though

[17:54:09]

kormoc:

and if iptables is hard, shore wall is a very nice wrapper around iptables that simplifies things a lot

[17:54:42]

ICM^:

hmmm

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wagnerrp:

basically, the only real difference between the internet and an internal network is that the latter operates on an address space not accessible to the internet at large

[17:56:22]

ICM^:

Yeah.

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wagnerrp:

if you are addressable by the internet, you are on the internet

[17:56:38]

wagnerrp:

at most, theyve got some firewalling between you and it

[17:56:45]

wagnerrp:

but that could just as well be done by an ISP

[17:57:08]

ICM^:

technically the university acts aas the local ISP, it's something strange

[17:57:23]

ICM^:

Either way, every port is open to the world (with the exception of 25, I believe)

[17:57:36]

wagnerrp:

only 25 is blocked? funky

[17:57:54]

ICM^:

either the pop3 or the smtp port is, i forget which.

[17:58:04]

wagnerrp:

25 is smtp

[17:58:13]

wagnerrp:

its to prevent their users from running open relays

[17:58:25]

wagnerrp:

of course it also prevents their users from running their own functional mail servers

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ICM^:

yep

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ICM^:

brb

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wagnerrp:

blocking port 25 is a short sighted, reactionary move

[17:59:08]

wagnerrp:

the proper move would be to allow it, and take action against those who used it improperly

[17:59:19]

wagnerrp:

they could even set up nmap to scan for users actually operating on port 25

[17:59:33]

wagnerrp:

and periodically test them to see if they can send email through it

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ICM^:

back

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wagnerrp:

if they can, trace down the user of that address, send them an notification, and block their access

[18:00:09]

wagnerrp:

all of this could be automated with not a whole lot of effort on the part of IT

[18:00:17]

wagnerrp:

but no... lets just block everything!

[18:00:22]

ICM^:

At any rate, what all would be required to make sure I'm safe, but also can use my laptop to connect to the mythtv backend

[18:00:33]

ICM^:

from wherever I am

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wagnerrp:

openvpn or hamachi would be the quick routes

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wagnerrp:

or firewall rules to prevent access to anything other than your pre-selected laptop address

[18:01:33]

ICM^:

someone suggested hamachi to me before, it looks like's interesting

[18:01:38]

wagnerrp:

or some other hand rolled thing using an ssh or ipsec tunnel

[18:02:08]

ICM^:

i'm a big fan of the quick routes :p hamachi could work

[18:02:38]

wagnerrp:

to be honest, ive never run hamachi on linux

[18:03:06]

wagnerrp:

and im not sure if you can set it up so the remote end will auto-connect

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ICM^:

hm, but you've used openvpn yes?

[18:03:25]

ICM^:

I'm okay with using that

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kormoc:

I've used openvpn, aye

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ICM^:

it can be setup so whoever connects to the VPN (on the back end server) can use livetv, yes? but from the backend's point of view, only people on the VPN and localhost are allowed to do anything

[18:04:59]

ICM^:

that is the ideal situation

[18:05:54]

kormoc:

right

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kormoc:

granted, I should mention, I've never tried the upnp discovery over openvpn, but everything else has worked for me in the past

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ICM^:

fair enough, I want to try to knock this out pretty quickly, shouldn't take too long I'm guessing

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ICM^:

kormoc, care to help?

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kormoc:

ICM^, http://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/docu . . . i-howto.html

[18:19:37]

kormoc:

as you only need one client, right?

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ICM^:

for now

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kormoc:

well, you could follow http://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/docu . . . o.html#quick then

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kormoc:

let me know if any specific steps trip you up

[18:20:36]

kormoc:

but my first time, I followed that and it was painless

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ICM^:

alright, thanks :D — I've never really used VPN, but I'm familiar with the concept, so hopefully it works alright

[18:24:05]

ICM^:

kormoc, can i jump straight to the static key mini-howto, or are there required steps in the main HOWTO? (entirely new openvpn server and client)

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kormoc:

you can jump into the static key one pretty much. you install the same packages, but out side of that, that's pretty much it

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ICM^:

thank you so much

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ICM^:

kormoc this is going to sound really stupid, but, where is the openvpn config file? O_o there's only one file in /etc/openvpn

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ICM^:

whoops. --config, missed that. depr.

[18:40:34]

ICM^:

sweet! Next step, make MythTV only accept connections from localhost and the IP setup in the VPN

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ICM^:

hey wagnerrp, now what's the best way to make sure the MythTV backend only accepts connections from localhost and the one IP setup by the VPN?

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EvilGuru:

ICM^: iptables, or, if you prefer, shorewall

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ICM^:

I'm not comfortable with IPTables, so I'll use shorewall, the wrapper

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ICM^:

Okay. I think I configured it all correctly, however the MythTV front end still does not show a window

[19:14:14]

ICM^:

it loads up and just idles at "New DB connection, total: 1"

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ICM^:

that seems to be it. it just stays there and idles after that line

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tlhiv_laptop:

when i start a video, i hear audio momentarily (perhaps 1/2 second) ... then nothing ... then the video with audio starts ... this seems to be a bug

[19:41:48]

wagnerrp:

is this a recording or live?

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo, Captain_Murdoch: im thinking of reworking the internals of the parser a bit

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wagnerrp:

ill keep it the same externally, but i want to rework how the options and values are stored internally a bit

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Beirdo:

sure, sounds good. Beware of the funkiness in the logpath/logfile part :)

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Beirdo:

I forget the method name

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wagnerrp:

with the intent to better manage things where certain options require others, and block others

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Captain_Murdoch:

sounds good.

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Beirdo:

yay

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wagnerrp:

ill have something later tonight to look at

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Beirdo:

as that can tidy up mainlines considerably if we are careful

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ICM^:

MainServer, Warning: Unknown socket closing MythSocket << All I'm getting in my backendlog is this :(

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ICM^:

When I try to connect from a remote frontend

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skd5aner:

Anyone running ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)?

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StevenR:

skd5aner: me

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skd5aner:

you running a recent version of 0.24-fixes?

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StevenR:

skd5aner: I'm running the version that comes via apt-get :)

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skd5aner:

i:)

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StevenR:

I dunno how recent that is though.

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skd5aner:

ok – I was holding off upgrading ubuntu for a while because I knew the kernel changed their support of v4l to v2 and myth had to catch up – but I believe that has been backported to fixes, so I think the roadblock isn't an issue anymore – wanted to double check

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ICM^:

I think I know what could be causing my issue. My backend is Library API : 0.23.1.201000710–1, but my remote-front end is 0.24.20110505–1 — could this cause the unconnection issue?

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ICM^:

( MainServer, Warning: Unknown socket closing MythSocket from the backend.log)

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jams:

skd5aner- perhaps it's inthe changelog =)

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jams:

skd5aner- i beleive your correct in that statment. I compile .24-fixes on a .39 kernel without any issues

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wagnerrp:

ICM^: no, it should explicitly warn you of a version mismatch

[20:16:36]

wagnerrp:

but you are correct that those are not compatible

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kormoc:

ICM^, we use a range of ports, so you have to open them all

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wagnerrp:

hehe... i wonder if epinephrine junky really wants the devs to read his post and comment

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skd5aner:

jams: yea, I remember adding it to the changelong ;)

[20:34:02]

skd5aner:

er, changelog

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skd5aner:

of course, now – I just shutdown my backend, and now the server won't boot :P

[20:34:33]

skd5aner:

#%$$%^#@$%

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squidly:

anyone tried to move a mysql databace from one system to another?

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stuartm:

kormoc: I normally only open 6543 and 6544

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kormoc:

squidly, sure

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kormoc:

stuartm, hrm. Fair 'nuff. I thought there was more

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** kormoc shrugs **

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wagnerrp:

squidly: make a dump on one, import it to the other

[20:36:29]

wagnerrp:

trivial

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wagnerrp:

see mysqldump

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squidly:

wagnerrp: I was more going to ask about what changed need to be done on the frontends and the backend to deal with the new sql server?

[20:37:05]

squidly:

I'm running all mythbuntu

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wagnerrp:

is the server changing ips and/or hostnames?

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stuartm:

kormoc: it's been a while since I ran a remote frontend against a firewalled backend so maybe we've added more, but for the protocol itself only those two are used

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squidly:

wagnerrp: the backend is not chaging. the sql server is moving

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wagnerrp:

then you must change each instance of ~/.mythtv/config.xml and ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt on every machine to match

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wagnerrp:

as well as the config defines for apache/mythweb

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squidly:

wagnerrp: that is what I though..

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stuartm:

or just delete them and let the frontend re-create them

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squidly:

stuartm: just update the backend?

[20:39:10]

squidly:

and delete those from the frontends?

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stuartm:

squidly: yeah, in theory, the auto-discovery code should then handle the rest

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squidly:

stuartm: may be a good way to test it lol

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squidly:

I plan on making more frontends in the semi-near future

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squidly:

I got my self a nice new powerfull server and I want to put it to use. My current server got over loaded with vm and other usage. (scope creap got it!)

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Beirdo:

of course...

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Beirdo:

now let me go read :)

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Beirdo:

nice response.

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Beirdo:

here's a replacement parrot for the one ya just shot off his shoulder :)

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EvilGuru:

Can anyone suggest a DVB-T2 card/stick? I usually go for Hauppauge but they do not appear to have any T2 products

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skd5aner:

yay – another dead motherboard :(

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Beirdo:

skd5aner: you in the mobo killing business now?

[21:38:16]

skd5aner:

Well, it'd be much more fun if I did it intentionally

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Beirdo:

yeah, I suppose

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: you have/had one of the antec P18x cases right?

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: yea, I've already RMA'd this particular mobo once back in January... I'm wondering if they repaired it or replaced it

[21:42:53]

skd5aner:

and it replaced a mobo that died last September :P

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: ive got several

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skd5aner:

You said you got some fan covers to go over the 120mm fan in the bottom between the drive cage and the psu, right?

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skd5aner:

on the hd cage side, how did you attach the fan cover/grill? The fan attaches using a bracket so the holes don't line up- did you just get rid of the bracket and screw the fan in directly?

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: i didnt, i just shoved it in there and let compression hold it

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skd5aner:

yea, that's what I did as well – I swore I recalled an old coversation with you were you mentioned putting some form of protection between the fan and the cables... oh well

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i did

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wagnerrp:

i bought a metal grill

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wagnerrp:

the plastic thing that holds the fan in place

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wagnerrp:

i removed the fan, placed the grill in, and put the fan back in

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skd5aner:

ah, and it all fit in the bracket alright?

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wagnerrp:

the grill is simply being help in place by compression

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wagnerrp:

and then the bracket slots back into the case as normal

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skd5aner:

I thought you meant you let compression hold the cables out of place ;)

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skd5aner:

heh

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: I've had 2 of the 120mm fans freeze up on me... looking for replacements now and it appears they only sell the antec tricool fans with LEDs now... no standard black offering :P

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EvilGuru:

skd5aner: Akasa do decent non-LED fans

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skd5aner:

EvilGuru: yea, but the case is built to house the connected controller switch on the tricool fans so you can adjust the speed

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skd5aner:

that said, thinking about it, I don't know if I care to even have a controller – this server sits in a basement closet, so noise isn't really an issue

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EvilGuru:

yeah

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EvilGuru:

just let them run at full pelt

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jrr:

can you configure myth backend from the command line?

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: yeah, ive lost a couple of those over the years

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dabian:

Good evening!

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jrr:

howdy

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Dabian:

I have bought (but not yet unpacked) a dvb-t/c digital USB tuner from MyGears. I've been trying to google around a bit, but I can't find any conclusive evidence wether it is working or not with gnu/linux (and hence, MythTV) .. what is the procedure for finding out? (The chip is supposedly eb1a:2885 "Epia 2884" or "Epia 2285"

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Dabian:

)

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Dabian:

If it doesn't; i want to return it, if it works fine, I want to unpack it, and compile a kernel module for it, I guess.

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Dabian:

Is it the wrong channel to ask?

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clever:

#linuxtv

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wagnerrp:

Epia? thats a CPU, not a chip one would find on a tuner

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wagnerrp:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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stuartm:

Empia, not Epia

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stuartm:

Dabian: you might get further in #linuxtv, those are the guys who write the drivers

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Dabian:

thanks

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wagnerrp:

right, we just use tuners, we dont support them

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Dabian:

I know

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Dabian:

maybe some had expirience, at least in checking for support, was my thought. :)

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Dabian:

I'll ask in that channel, if the link doesn't prove usefull.

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stuartm:

I've never even heard of empia

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Dabian:

Its a real cheap card

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Dabian:

$50 or something

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wagnerrp:

thats not very cheap

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** iamlindoro wonders how Beirdo's stock did today **

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** iamlindoro is guessing he won't be so positive tonight **

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

-5%

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Beirdo:

not tooo bad

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iamlindoro:

could have been worse, was for lots of people

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Beirdo:

yeah, these last few days have been a ride on a rollercoaster

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wagnerrp:

beirdo: any opinion on how a list of keywords should appear should they need to be separated into two lines?

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wagnerrp:

or would such a case simply mean we have too many keywords storing to the same value?

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Beirdo:

hehe, it could, yeah. I'd have to see an example and think about it... too buried in chasing a bad cert upgrade to think straight :)

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Beirdo:

thank goodness it's done

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tlhiv_laptop:

wagnerrp: sorry for the delayed response ... i'll repeat the question in case you've forgotten

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tlhiv_laptop:

when i start a video, i hear audio momentarily (perhaps 1/2 second) ... then nothing ... then the video with audio starts ... this seems to be a bug

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tlhiv_laptop:

it is a standalone video

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wagnerrp:

what about indentation on the help string if its automatically split onto a second line

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wagnerrp:

as opposed to the big left-justified block we currently have

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wagnerrp:

using pulseaudio?

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Beirdo:

anyone here compile in Windows?

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wagnerrp:

not successfully

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Beirdo:

it gacks out for me in main.cpp in mytharchive, just wondering how people have gotten around it

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iamlindoro:

TTBOMK MythArchive is not supported in Windows

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iamlindoro:

as in, isn't supposed to be compiled

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Beirdo:

interesting. wonder why lvr's script is trying then.

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

OK, I'll just disable it

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Beirdo:

it's belching in kill()

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Beirdo:

which isnt' Windows-compatible IIRC

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: any idea what this with_header is for?

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wagnerrp:

i know i duplicated it from the old behavior

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wagnerrp:

but why would we ever not want that header?

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wagnerrp:

the "%1 version: %2 [%3] www.mythtv.org" thing

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tlhiv_laptop:

wagnerrp: is the pulseaudio question for me?

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Beirdo:

with_header?

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Beirdo:

yeah, we *always* want that line

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wagnerrp:

yes

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tlhiv_laptop:

no i'm not using pulseaudio

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wagnerrp:

its not installed at all?

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: not sure where (if anywhere) we call that function with it set false

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Beirdo:

ummm, that would be ... never.

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Beirdo:

you can likely set that permanently to true and refactor it out

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tlhiv_laptop:

wagnerrp: no it's not installed

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wagnerrp:

OH, i think i had intended that for applications that wanted their own header block

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wagnerrp:

but i did that with GetHelpHeader anyway

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Beirdo:

oh?

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wagnerrp:

so its moot

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Beirdo:

gotcah

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Beirdo:

oooooh, he has a line disabling mytharchive and mythzoneminder... and it's commented out

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Beirdo:

duh... SMACK

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wagnerrp:

it took me a moment to realize those were GI Joe, and stop wondering what monsterous creature this was... http://blog.level2.com/wp-content/uploads/201 . . . soldiers.jpg

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wagnerrp:

bah

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wagnerrp:

http://blog.level3.com/wp-content/uploads/201 . . . soldiers.jpg

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hoolio:

:)

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wagnerrp:

holy f--! what is that!

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hoolio:

a smiley?

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wagnerrp:

no, that ginormous mammal those soldiers killed

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wagnerrp:

in other news, xchat recognizes 'ginormous' as a valid word

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Twiggy2cents:

lol that is too real to be fake

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