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| [00:30:39] | brockp: | Hello! I am looking for hardware recomendataion. I have a newer machine that is server class hardware, thus only has VGA on board. It is in a tower and has PCI-e slots, so I plan to add a GPU. My TV is quite old so only has RCA/SVideo/Coax inputs, Do users have any recomendataions for a card that still does old school tv out? |
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| [00:44:47] | mycosys: | brockp: 8400GS, or other 8xxx or 9xxx sereis nvidia |
| [00:45:25] | brockp: | thanks checking it out! I will look in the wiki but do they suport hardware decode? Sorry last box was geForce4 so I am way behind |
| [00:45:30] | mycosys: | 9xxx are the last that had analog TV out |
| [00:45:39] | mycosys: | yes they do support vdpau |
| [00:46:03] | mycosys: | avoid the 8800s tho, some o those are not great at it |
| [00:46:09] | mycosys: | and they are overkill anyway |
| [00:47:07] | brockp: | Coolio, multipurposing a bacula/zenoss machine, I also have to buy a sound card have not done that in years |
| [00:47:10] | mycosys: | I am using a 9600GT that i once gamed with (massively underclocked) on my loungeroom box for the same reason |
| [00:47:56] | mycosys: | lol i kinda need to get one of those too – apparently the built in in my mobo has too few buffers to handle 5.1 |
| [00:49:32] | brockp: | any recommendations? |
| [00:50:07] | mycosys: | would suggest checking out how the asus Xonar range go in myth – i havent checked yet |
| [00:50:34] | mycosys: | under windows they are near audiophile cards at gamer card prices |
| [00:51:44] | brockp: | I have a really poor environment to go all out on something like that yet, my speakers amps room etc |
| [00:56:08] | mycosys: | Xonar DG is a good buy at $40 then :) not audiophile, but apparently leagues ahead of others at that $ |
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| [01:03:23] | brockp: | xonar dg is only $30 on amazon right now, but the slot connection looks odd, reminds me more of pci-x |
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| [01:08:17] | mycosys: | jus good ol PCI |
| [01:08:32] | brockp: | damn my dell server only has pcie |
| [01:08:38] | mycosys: | bugger |
| [01:08:40] | brockp: | blah that just jacked up the price |
| [01:08:45] | mycosys: | yup |
| [01:09:03] | mycosys: | USB? |
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| [01:10:46] | brockp: | I have lots of USB floating on this t110 |
| [01:13:03] | brockp: | xonar dx 7.1 doens't look like it takes the extra molex connector I don't have also |
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| [01:15:17] | mycosys: | depending on how worried u r about sound qual, there are plenly o cheap USB audio adapters round |
| [01:16:05] | brockp: | THe dx looks nice, $60 isn't bad, getting mixed results on ubuntu support |
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| [01:21:20] | mycosys: | does indeed |
| [01:24:20] | brockp: | Ok DX it is, thanks for the input! I really should upgrade my TV, I just almost never use it, |
| [01:26:27] | brockp: | OH forgot another item, Need to get a remote and sensor, old pvr isn't going to go in this box |
| [01:29:37] | wagnerrp: | !seen wseltzer |
| [01:29:38] | MythLogBot: | wseltzer was last seen 49 days 5 hours 21 minutes 21 seconds ago |
| [01:31:38] | mycosys: | brockp – normal recommendation is anything mce2 compatible |
| [01:32:17] | wagnerrp: | poor fool |
| [01:32:17] | brockp: | ok, I do have a sony rm-av2500 never used might try to find a recever that supports that |
| [01:32:25] | wagnerrp: | tries to do good |
| [01:32:32] | wagnerrp: | advocates net neutrality |
| [01:33:33] | wagnerrp: | gives an interview trying to explain the ramifications of the copyright legislation trying to get pushed through on ISPs |
| [01:34:04] | wagnerrp: | and yet gets death threats on slashdot for being a 'big media troll' |
| [01:36:43] | skd5aner: | link? |
| [01:37:37] | wagnerrp: | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/08/06/235206 |
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| [01:42:18] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: I only see some praise of her, perhaps the threats have been removed? |
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| [01:43:51] | wagnerrp: | reduce your filter, theyve all been modded down |
| [01:45:09] | wagnerrp: | http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2368120&cid=37010806 |
| [01:45:47] | wagnerrp: | http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2368120&cid=37010982 |
| [01:45:51] | iamlindoro: | At least it was responded to properly |
| [01:46:56] | wagnerrp: | true |
| [01:47:05] | wagnerrp: | and the very first comment, from a 3-digiter no less |
| [01:47:13] | wagnerrp: | http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2368120&cid=37010782 |
| [01:49:05] | sphery: | heh, she's explaining other people's legistation and the dubmslashes think it's her idea? |
| [01:49:59] | iamlindoro: | The real question is, why is she wasting her time with people's freedom when we have perl bindings that need overhauling |
| [01:50:52] | iamlindoro: | "Your bio says you contribute to MythTV, WHERE THE F ARE THE PATCHES, YOU WHORE???" |
| [01:50:58] | iamlindoro: | It could work, right? right? |
| [01:51:02] | wagnerrp: | how do you propose we put chromed up 20s and a bunch of TVs into perl code? |
| [01:51:12] | iamlindoro: | i mean, it could work as well as the death threats |
| [01:52:03] | iamlindoro: | PS, where is the good TV for this weekend |
| [01:52:14] | iamlindoro: | Surely not on my cable system |
| [01:52:19] | wagnerrp: | there is good TV on the weekend? |
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| [01:52:30] | wagnerrp: | the last of CHAOS already got aired |
| [01:52:42] | wagnerrp: | all thats left is old shows in syndication, and old movies |
| [01:53:11] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | wagnerrp: all that's left where? |
| [01:53:19] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Sorry, came in for the tail end of that |
| [01:53:21] | wagnerrp: | on weekend tv |
| [01:53:23] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | oh |
| [01:53:25] | iamlindoro: | I'm trying hard to like Falling Skies, but even Moon Bloodgood isn't working for me |
| [01:53:35] | wagnerrp: | "where is the good TV for this weekend" |
| [01:53:38] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I haven't gotten to it, though i've been recording it. |
| [01:53:49] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I did catch up on another show |
| [01:53:50] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Alphas |
| [01:53:52] | GadgetWisdomGuru is now known as GWG | |
| [01:53:59] | wagnerrp: | ive heard good things of Fallen Skies |
| [01:53:59] | iamlindoro: | Which I was complaining about last night |
| [01:54:04] | sphery: | I like how Alex #437--like all Internet experts--fails to admit he's wrong when he's told he's wrong and who she is, and blames his own comment on the person who posted the link for failing to explain who Wendy is... |
| [01:54:08] | wagnerrp: | watched an episode and a half, couldnt get into it |
| [01:54:27] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Reading Comprehension Level: Extremely High |
| [01:54:36] | sphery: | hehe |
| [01:54:43] | GWG: | wagnerrp: I've just liked David Straitharn(I forget how to spell that) since Sneakers |
| [01:56:06] | wagnerrp: | GWG: i was actually referring to falling skies, not alphas |
| [01:56:19] | GWG: | Okay. |
| [01:56:32] | GWG: | I haven't been disappointed by it yet |
| [01:56:36] | GWG: | I'm listening to music tonight |
| [01:56:59] | GWG: | I've hooked my cell phone into my stereo. |
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| [01:59:10] | GWG: | It doesn't matter what I use, MythTV, a cell phone...I still can't get the metadata right |
| [02:02:30] | [R]: | i dont know what to do |
| [02:02:32] | [R]: | i got a new motherboard |
| [02:02:48] | GWG: | [R]: That's good. What part of it don't you know? |
| [02:02:50] | [R]: | i can either replace my backend (that works just fine) with it, or use it as my desktop |
| [02:03:02] | GWG: | I just upgraded my backend. |
| [02:03:19] | [R]: | and i hate screwin around with my backend |
| [02:06:05] | GWG: | Me too. |
| [02:06:23] | GWG: | I upgraded mine because I was thinking of ripping my entire DVD collection |
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| [02:07:29] | [R]: | i think i'll use it as my desktop, the only reason i'd want to upgrade my backend is for more hard drives, because i only have 2 sata ports on my current one, but i have enough space right now |
| [02:08:00] | GWG: | That was one reason I upgraded mine |
| [02:08:12] | GWG: | more SATA ports, future proofing with SATA and USB 3... |
| [02:10:08] | williammanda_: | I just installed a HDHomerun tuner. When viewing channels the signal % always says 50% even though the channel is viewable. Any insight? |
| [02:10:50] | GWG: | williammanda_: Digital is either good or its bad. It isn't like analog where a lower signal shows up as a degraded picture? |
| [02:11:06] | williammanda_: | I agree |
| [02:11:49] | [R]: | if it works, who cares waht the signal says it is |
| [02:11:56] | williammanda_: | but I don't understand why the signal always says 50%. I have two other tuners and they reflect something like 90 – 90% |
| [02:12:11] | williammanda_: | 90 – 98% |
| [02:13:15] | williammanda_: | yes it seems to work and if that is how it works than so be it...I am trying to find out if that is the case or not |
| [02:13:23] | [R]: | let me repeat what you were ALREADY told |
| [02:13:25] | [R]: | Aug 06 12:37:21 +sphery williammanda_: the channel change signal strength is really just an instantaneous snapshot of a constantly-changing value. If the HDHR reports it, it may well be that it's still saying 50% at the point where we read it during a channel change. To really see what your signal strength is, you'd need to use the signal monitor (by default Alt-F7, IIRC) |
| [02:14:06] | williammanda_: | what or how can I use that info? (by default Alt-F7, IIRC) |
| [02:14:14] | [R]: | what do you mean use? |
| [02:14:33] | williammanda_: | when do I press ALT-F7? |
| [02:14:46] | sphery: | while watching a channel in Live TV |
| [02:15:28] | williammanda_: | I just did that but no result |
| [02:15:42] | iamlindoro: | Likely because your window manager is intercepting the alt keypress |
| [02:15:51] | iamlindoro: | so rebind the SIGNALMON binding in the TV Playback context |
| [02:15:53] | williammanda_: | k |
| [02:15:56] | iamlindoro: | to whatever you like, and use that |
| [02:16:07] | sphery: | Utilities/Setup|Edit Keys |
| [02:16:11] | williammanda_: | what does IIRC mean? |
| [02:16:22] | sphery: | If I Remember Correctly :) |
| [02:16:27] | iamlindoro: | and/or Recall |
| [02:16:44] | sphery: | Oh, I forgot about that one :) |
| [02:17:34] | williammanda_: | ty for your help |
| [02:18:15] | GWG: | I have a 4TB of stuff on my DVR and I'm not watching it. I definitely need to do a cleaning |
| [02:19:22] | sphery: | I'm all happy because I'm approaching only 6GB used as I work my way through watching and deleting shows |
| [02:19:33] | sphery: | er, 6TB |
| [02:19:51] | GWG: | I should cancel that Netfix subscription I decided to try though. |
| [02:19:56] | GWG: | I'm obviously wasting my money |
| [02:20:11] | iamlindoro: | sphery: on the other hand, a 6 GB recording drive would prevent an extensive backlog |
| [02:20:12] | GWG: | I wanted my father to use it. |
| [02:20:24] | GWG: | So I gave him a Roku box |
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| [02:20:34] | sphery: | heh, yeah, with recordings, there's no way I could get my money's worth out of a netflix sub--far too many recordings to watch |
| [02:21:11] | sphery: | and, I get all the same movies--just 6 years later (then they sit on my HDD for 3 years while I clear enough of the other stuff off to watch that movie...) |
| [02:21:37] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Wonder how many times your system will record and expire a film before you watch it ;) |
| [02:21:50] | GWG: | sphery: Do you expire anything? |
| [02:22:08] | sphery: | I'm looking forward to watching this movie called Spider-Man |
| [02:22:08] | GWG: | I just recorded a movie off of 3AM TV that I'd been waiting to come around for a while |
| [02:22:13] | GWG: | Critical Condition with Richard Pryor |
| [02:22:44] | iamlindoro: | sphery: I hear all the kids are talking about Citizen Kane by that young upstart Orson Welles |
| [02:23:14] | sphery: | GWG: heh, no--I have 1.7TB free on my system (and 4TB sitting on top of it, not plugged in)... I've got enough that I have room even when I hit my peak recordings at the end of a season |
| [02:23:44] | sphery: | iamlindoro: heh, wow, that must be too new--haven't seen it on my OTA channels, yet :) |
| [02:24:00] | GWG: | sphery: Exactly.I will have to prune and start watching things. |
| [02:24:06] | GWG: | But there never seems to be an off season |
| [02:24:16] | GWG: | When there is, I'm not interested in watching some of the things I thought. |
| [02:24:22] | sphery: | yeah, anymore, even in the summer networks tend to run a lot of shows |
| [02:24:41] | GWG: | sphery: It's the split season |
| [02:25:01] | sphery: | but, as we approach the start of a new season, I'm approaching my system low (only have 1362 recordings, now) |
| [02:25:18] | ** sphery goes to finish the episode of Hawaii Five-0 and make that 1361 ** | |
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| [02:26:19] | GWG: | sphery: Is there a place in Mythweb to see a count? |
| [02:26:32] | GWG: | I'm curious how many I have |
| [02:26:34] | iamlindoro: | sphery: I'll save you the effort... The CSI team, erm, I mean, the NCIS team, erm, I mean, the CSI Miami Team, erm, I mean, the Cold Case agents, erm, I mean, the FBI agent and his mathematician brother, erm, I mean, Dano arrests the bad guy |
| [02:26:37] | sphery: | GWG: yeah, bottom of the Recorded Programs page |
| [02:26:45] | sphery: | also tells you your total recoded time and such |
| [02:27:01] | GWG: | This may take a while |
| [02:27:03] | GWG: | One second |
| [02:27:08] | iamlindoro: | For real fun statistics, the "Statistics" link off of the main mythweb page is fun too |
| [02:27:29] | sphery: | for me: 1362 programs, using 5.9 TB (1 month 27 days 2 hrs 56 mins) out of 7.6 TB (1.7 TB free). |
| [02:27:35] | GWG: | Oh, only 792 programs and 2.6TB. Not counting the stuff in videos. |
| [02:27:50] | sphery: | do you have stuff in Deleted recording group? |
| [02:28:19] | sphery: | at the top, you'll see "Show group" and if you have anything in Deleted, it will be in the drop-down with a count |
| [02:28:37] | GWG: | I've deferred my maintenance a bit |
| [02:28:49] | sphery: | or on Backend Status, it will say, "Space Used by Deleted Recordings" |
| [02:29:37] | GWG: | I don't have any |
| [02:29:47] | sphery: | ah, just curious |
| [02:30:07] | sphery: | was going to say you could go into frontend, put them all in a playlist and then delete them and it would remove them from disk |
| [02:30:34] | GWG: | Well, I've never used Recording Groups, to be honest |
| [02:30:38] | GWG: | What do people use them for? |
| [02:31:02] | iamlindoro: | Multiuser, parental control, categorizing high versus low value, etc. |
| [02:31:08] | GWG: | I live alone |
| [02:31:25] | sphery: | I have a few of them--Movies, Half Hour Shows, Cooking, Woodworking, Science--to make it easier to find stuff (and normal series are all in Default) |
| [02:31:34] | GWG: | Okay. So, sorting |
| [02:31:38] | GWG: | Maybe I will do that |
| [02:31:42] | GWG: | Because I can't find anything now |
| [02:31:59] | sphery: | when you have 1362 recordings, it's challenging to find things |
| [02:32:10] | sphery: | yeah... and I need to get the tags implementation done |
| [02:32:28] | iamlindoro: | sphery: still plenty of time left in the weekend |
| [02:32:29] | GWG: | Is MythTV going social now? |
| [02:32:30] | sphery: | (would allow you to assign any number of user-defined tags to any recordings) |
| [02:32:34] | iamlindoro: | could at least get the schema in... |
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| [02:33:25] | sphery: | the tags will almost definitely be done outside of the recordedfile schema change |
| [02:34:06] | sphery: | and I don't have them implementation written, yet, so would be afraid to push the schema for it (because I'm sure I'll forget something) |
| [02:38:44] | GWG: | Is there any way to strip the database of old Mirobridge recordings that don't exist anymore since my last migration? |
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| [02:49:38] | williammanda_: | I tried and got the ALT-F7 key strokes to work to display the signal%.....the video disappears but the info stays...the only way to get out of this state seems to be the esc button...is this correct? |
| [02:50:17] | sphery: | right |
| [02:50:29] | williammanda_: | sphery: ty |
| [02:55:13] | skd5aner: | what's the latest (if anything) on doing "lossless" transcoding on h.264 recordings to remove commercials/cutpoints for archiving? I know the subject inevitably comes up every so often |
| [02:56:52] | GWG: | I wouldn't complain if someone figured it out |
| [02:57:53] | sphery: | I think I saw mention on the -users list about experimental support for it in avidemux2 |
| [02:57:55] | skd5aner: | GWG: yea... I've got a bunch of recordings off the hdpvr that I'd like to move out of my watch recordings list and into mythvideo, but they're just sitting there until a good solution finally comes along. The ones I want to keep around I've just made sure to disable auto-expire in the meantime |
| [02:58:22] | GWG: | skd5aner: Ditto. |
| [02:58:57] | skd5aner: | I'm in no rush other than it'll eventually be nice to see several series in my watch recordings list finally go away |
| [03:00:10] | sphery: | skd5aner: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/452776#452776 |
| [03:00:15] | skd5aner: | thx |
| [03:00:30] | skd5aner: | ah, rdv... |
| [03:01:05] | skd5aner: | I've see that thread before |
| [03:01:19] | skd5aner: | I've just never gone through the effort of really trying that hard to do something |
| [03:01:37] | skd5aner: | I figured eventually it'll buble up on someone's priority list and I'll just adopt it then |
| [03:02:13] | skd5aner: | for mpeg2 recordings I generally transcode via nuvexport... would love to be able to leverage that tool to do the same for h.264 recordings |
| [03:02:43] | skd5aner: | although, not really "transcode" per say, as much as just rip out cut points |
| [03:03:00] | skd5aner: | O |
| [03:03:05] | skd5aner: | oops |
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| [03:07:58] | jaz_: | I got a question about moving recordings from one backend to another, is it possible by just changing storage groups? |
| [03:09:00] | sphery: | jaz_: there's never a need to change storage groups in the DB... just move a recording into any directory in any storage group, and it will work |
| [03:09:12] | sphery: | /unless/ you move it to a different host |
| [03:09:24] | sphery: | then you need to actually change the hostname associated with the recording in the database |
| [03:09:31] | sphery: | and we don't have any nice UI to do that |
| [03:09:34] | sphery: | so back up your DB first |
| [03:09:40] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore |
| [03:09:40] | jaz_: | I see |
| [03:10:01] | sphery: | but don't worry about changing storage group... just change the hostname on the recording in the recorded table |
| [03:10:09] | sphery: | and be careful to have the right where clause and all |
| [03:10:30] | jaz_: | Yeah i was gonna try that but wanted to be sure first. |
| [03:10:48] | jaz_: | here we go.... |
| [03:13:21] | jaz_: | BINGO!!! I have my recording back now. Thanks for the help sphery |
| [03:13:34] | jaz_: | *recordings |
| [03:13:47] | sphery: | enjoy |
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| [05:02:59] | williammanda_: | sphery: have you used wireless with mythtv? |
| [05:05:52] | williammanda_: | anyone used wireless with mythtv? |
| [05:06:38] | tank-man: | yes |
| [05:06:53] | williammanda_: | tank-man: what have u used? |
| [05:07:16] | tank-man: | ive used mythtv over wireless |
| [05:07:47] | williammanda_: | and what was the result? |
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| [05:07:59] | tank-man: | success |
| [05:08:16] | williammanda_: | waiting for an answer |
| [05:09:11] | tank-man: | answer to what? |
| [05:09:42] | williammanda_: | what didi u use? |
| [05:10:16] | tank-man: | please be more specific |
| [05:10:56] | williammanda_: | what equiptment did u use? |
| [05:12:24] | tank-man: | my desktop as the mythtv backend and my laptop as the client. |
| [05:12:37] | tank-man: | wifi connection was 802.11g |
| [05:13:14] | tank-man: | desktop is a amd athlon x2, and the laptop is a acer netbook |
| [05:13:30] | tank-man: | picture resolution was SD |
| [05:13:41] | skd5aner: | lots of people have used wifi with varying success... sometimes it works great, sometimes it doesnt... depends on lots of factors |
| [05:13:45] | williammanda_: | did you have a good result over all with HD? |
| [05:13:59] | tank-man: | i don't record in HD |
| [05:14:12] | skd5aner: | I would recommend 802.11n if you want to try it |
| [05:14:21] | skd5aner: | g might work |
| [05:15:19] | williammanda_: | skd5aner: have you tried it? |
| [05:15:32] | skd5aner: | depends on content, bitrates, conflicting traffic and bandwidth, wifi density/interference, distance, etc |
| [05:15:50] | skd5aner: | williammanda_: nope, not personally – just reporting what I've heard others say who have tried with with mythtv |
| [05:16:30] | williammanda_: | skd5aner: try it and let me know |
| [05:16:51] | skd5aner: | ha... no thanks, I don't need to – I wired my house for gigabit ethernet |
| [05:16:53] | williammanda_: | I can tell you it doesn't work |
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| [05:17:28] | tank-man: | williammanda_, what was the bitrate of the media file and the wifi speed? |
| [05:18:24] | skd5aner: | yea – I would say "it depends"... |
| [05:18:35] | skd5aner: | for example – http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . less;#471150 |
| [05:19:17] | skd5aner: | williammanda_: and... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/470935#470935 |
| [05:19:55] | williammanda_: | I use this and I haven't had a problem....please help me disprove it http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1813 . . . light=ruckus |
| [05:20:04] | skd5aner: | but – wired is always the way to go if it's a viable option imho |
| [05:24:52] | wagnerrp: | s/if it's a viable option// |
| [05:25:16] | skd5aner: | yea, it is alwys the best way to go... |
| [05:25:34] | wagnerrp: | what is ruckus wireless? |
| [05:25:46] | skd5aner: | but sometimes wired isn't a viable option |
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| [05:26:29] | wagnerrp: | i disagree |
| [05:26:54] | skd5aner: | Well, I can think of a few |
| [05:27:01] | wagnerrp: | i cant |
| [05:27:20] | wagnerrp: | well... ill retract that |
| [05:27:24] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [05:27:37] | wagnerrp: | the only reason i could think of using wireless for mythtv is because you are using a laptop |
| [05:28:07] | skd5aner: | lets say you live with someone else, and they dont' want you to run cables through their walls or across their floors, and you don't have a frontend/backend combo :) |
| [05:28:22] | skd5aner: | you're kinda stuck in that situation |
| [05:28:33] | wagnerrp: | then you simply need to get more creative to run cables in a manner that cannot be seen |
| [05:28:47] | wagnerrp: | get flat cables and a staple gun |
| [05:28:50] | wagnerrp: | run it under the carpet |
| [05:29:17] | skd5aner: | I hear you... I'm just saying there are some cases where you don't have the ability to control the situation |
| [05:29:28] | skd5aner: | hardwood floors, don't staple into my trimwork |
| [05:29:31] | skd5aner: | etc |
| [05:30:01] | wagnerrp: | then use HPNA or MoCA |
| [05:30:33] | skd5aner: | true |
| [05:30:46] | skd5aner: | heh – regardless... just sayin... |
| [05:30:54] | wagnerrp: | im still of the opinion if you are using a static device, you should be using wired |
| [05:31:09] | wagnerrp: | wireless is a wasteful quick and dirty solution |
| [05:31:14] | skd5aner: | I spent 2 weeks putting miles of cat 6 in my walls when I built my house, so I'm not really arguing against the idea |
| [05:31:54] | skd5aner: | I agree... hell, I have cat5 ran to every light switch in my house for wired lighting control |
| [05:32:50] | skd5aner: | ... but that's another story |
| [05:33:47] | skd5aner: | I still use my 6 year old 802.11b airport express for wireless in my house – suffices just fine for what I use it for. Everything else is wired. |
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| [05:34:30] | wagnerrp: | wireless is fine when using mobile devices |
| [05:34:48] | wagnerrp: | a laptop or a tablet or a phone, it makes sense in those cases |
| [05:34:54] | wagnerrp: | im just saying for static devices, it doesnt |
| [05:35:08] | skd5aner: | yes, as a general rule, totally agree |
| [05:35:10] | wagnerrp: | especially considering that device is already hard wired into the power |
| [05:35:52] | williammanda_: | I can tell you that ruckus wireless works for mythtv |
| [05:35:56] | skd5aner: | every TV location I have has 2 cat 6 data ports and 4 cat6 "future-proofing" ports for balun devices |
| [05:36:10] | skd5aner: | so, I'm covered |
| [05:36:48] | wagnerrp: | williammanda_: and i can tell you that wireless for home networking is short sighted |
| [05:36:56] | wagnerrp: | its the 'easy' solution, not the correct one |
| [05:37:26] | skd5aner: | anyway – I've put off bed for way to long to basically argue the same point as you wagnerrp, so I'm off |
| [05:37:34] | skd5aner: | later man |
| [05:37:41] | skd5aner: | :) |
| [05:37:41] | wagnerrp: | night |
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| [05:38:15] | williammanda_: | twagnerrp that is not true |
| [05:38:33] | wagnerrp: | it certainly is |
| [05:38:52] | williammanda_: | prove me wrong |
| [05:39:13] | wagnerrp: | what frequency does ruckus run at? |
| [05:39:16] | williammanda_: | I have a system that will prove you wrong |
| [05:39:26] | williammanda_: | 5 Ghz |
| [05:40:02] | williammanda_: | show me how you will do that? |
| [05:40:02] | wagnerrp: | so it is limited in interference at this time |
| [05:40:18] | williammanda_: | sure at 5 Ghz |
| [05:40:55] | wagnerrp: | but higher frequency means it will not travel as far |
| [05:41:03] | wagnerrp: | thick dense walls will kill it |
| [05:41:11] | wagnerrp: | meaning older homes will have trouble using it |
| [05:41:33] | wagnerrp: | it may work for you, it may not work for others |
| [05:41:59] | wagnerrp: | further, wireless is inherently a broadcast architecture |
| [05:42:08] | wagnerrp: | two devices cannot operate at the same time |
| [05:42:11] | wagnerrp: | there is a collision |
| [05:42:34] | wagnerrp: | if you are running a high bandwidth application like mythtv, you inherently limit yourself in devices |
| [05:43:05] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to ethernet which moved to a switched architecture two decades ago |
| [05:43:40] | williammanda_: | twagnerrp http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1813 . . . light=ruckus |
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| [05:43:51] | wagnerrp: | im not saying it cannot be made to work |
| [05:43:57] | wagnerrp: | and im not saying your system does not work |
| [05:44:16] | wagnerrp: | however i am saying your system cannot expand beyond a couple of active frontends |
| [05:44:20] | williammanda_: | do the same as me then say what you want |
| [05:44:40] | williammanda_: | I did it |
| [05:44:53] | wagnerrp: | why would i want to do the same, when i spent the effort to run a proper wired network |
| [05:44:58] | williammanda_: | it works now |
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| [05:45:33] | wagnerrp: | you are completely failing to grasp what im arguing |
| [05:45:46] | williammanda_: | because you didn't compare |
| [05:45:51] | wagnerrp: | your saying it works for your specific instance, im saying it is inherently short sighted |
| [05:46:14] | wagnerrp: | were not arguing the same thing |
| [05:46:21] | williammanda_: | look at my results |
| [05:46:42] | williammanda_: | it works for the world |
| [05:46:59] | wagnerrp: | it works for your specific case |
| [05:47:06] | williammanda_: | ruckus wireless works for the worlf |
| [05:47:11] | wagnerrp: | in my case, ive got stucco walls |
| [05:47:17] | wagnerrp: | i basically live in a faraday cage |
| [05:47:26] | wagnerrp: | wireless doesnt work well |
| [05:47:33] | wagnerrp: | and the higher the frequency, they worse it does |
| [05:47:39] | williammanda_: | ruckus works |
| [05:48:11] | williammanda_: | it speaks for itsself |
| [05:48:13] | wagnerrp: | and youre limited to the bandwidth of a 15yr old broadcast network |
| [05:48:21] | williammanda_: | prove me wrong |
| [05:48:34] | williammanda_: | 5 Mhz |
| [05:48:49] | williammanda_: | yea prove me wrong |
| [05:49:11] | wagnerrp: | what do you want me to prove wrong? |
| [05:49:18] | wagnerrp: | youre saying it can be used |
| [05:49:20] | williammanda_: | I have three mythfrontend working daily |
| [05:49:23] | wagnerrp: | im not arguing against that |
| [05:49:29] | wagnerrp: | im saying it SHOULDNT be used |
| [05:49:41] | williammanda_: | and you want to tell me they do not work |
| [05:49:52] | wagnerrp: | no, im not saying anything of the kind |
| [05:51:25] | wagnerrp: | wireless is a broadcast architecture, the spectrum and bandwidth are shared between all local users |
| [05:51:44] | williammanda_: | k |
| [05:51:47] | wagnerrp: | it is inherently limited, and prone to interference, and as such should be reserved for devices that NEED wireless capability |
| [05:52:01] | wagnerrp: | things like mobile phones, tablets, laptops, etc... |
| [05:52:06] | wagnerrp: | stuff that is not used in one specific place |
| [05:52:12] | williammanda_: | I'm waiting for you to tell me it doesn't |
| [05:52:16] | williammanda_: | work |
| [05:52:26] | tank-man: | are you a troll? |
| [05:52:34] | williammanda_: | because it it does |
| [05:52:34] | wagnerrp: | ive never said it doesnt work, for your case |
| [05:52:44] | wagnerrp: | i say it will not work for every case |
| [05:52:52] | wagnerrp: | and that its a short sighted solution |
| [05:52:57] | williammanda_: | yes it will |
| [05:53:07] | williammanda_: | no I'm not |
| [05:53:19] | wagnerrp: | the only real, long term solution to a home network is running wires |
| [05:53:37] | wagnerrp: | the only real, long term solution for any network not dealing with mobile devices is running wires |
| [05:54:03] | williammanda_: | wired is the best..there is no argument |
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| [05:54:35] | williammanda_: | but ruckus is the best solution now |
| [05:54:57] | tank-man: | ive never heard of ruckus before |
| [05:55:04] | williammanda_: | and I would like to have you prove me wrong |
| [05:55:16] | wagnerrp: | tank-man: its commercial grade 802.11n |
| [05:55:20] | williammanda_: | I use ruckus now |
| [05:56:06] | williammanda_: | tank-man: get wired |
| [05:56:10] | wagnerrp: | ruckus is a temporary solution |
| [05:56:19] | williammanda_: | why? |
| [05:56:20] | wagnerrp: | or a mobile solution |
| [05:56:32] | wagnerrp: | because you dont have mobile hardware |
| [05:56:37] | wagnerrp: | so why use wireless? |
| [05:56:51] | williammanda_: | i do not need it |
| [05:57:54] | williammanda_: | twagnerrp why is it so immpospplise |
| [05:58:26] | williammanda_: | I use this daily |
| [05:58:36] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea how to answer that one |
| [05:58:49] | williammanda_: | you are going to tell me that it doesn't work |
| [05:59:04] | wagnerrp: | immpospplise... i have no idea what that means |
| [05:59:10] | williammanda_: | it works for me |
| [05:59:27] | williammanda_: | wait |
| [06:00:15] | williammanda_: | I'm an electricial engineer |
| [06:00:25] | wagnerrp: | like i said 10 minutes ago, were arguing different things |
| [06:00:41] | williammanda_: | what r we ? |
| [06:00:48] | wagnerrp: | you saying it works for your specific use case, and considering ive not used your system, i cant argue that |
| [06:01:01] | wagnerrp: | what i AM saying is that wireless may not work for everyone |
| [06:01:14] | wagnerrp: | but more importantly, using wireless for static systems is bad |
| [06:01:21] | tank-man: | williammanda_, prove it will work in my situation :) |
| [06:02:33] | wagnerrp: | being an electrical engineer, you should have had at least some classes in radio frequency |
| [06:02:58] | wagnerrp: | you should understand how shadows and interference patterns can result in areas that simply cannot get signal |
| [06:03:06] | williammanda_: | arguing that will work for you is not an argument |
| [06:03:22] | wagnerrp: | i have to have three separate access points to cover my home and porch |
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| [06:03:41] | wagnerrp: | as explained, those brick and stucco walls suck down RF |
| [06:03:47] | wagnerrp: | and theres simply no way around that |
| [06:04:36] | wagnerrp: | im looking at ~$500 for all the wireless gear i would need to run 802.11n |
| [06:04:47] | wagnerrp: | or >$1000 for commercial ruckus or cisco gear |
| [06:05:21] | wagnerrp: | on the opposite, i get a box of cable, patch panel, and pair of gigabit switches, and a weekend for $300 |
| [06:05:46] | wagnerrp: | and have ten times the bandwidth, to four times the number of connected devices |
| [06:06:00] | wagnerrp: | with no risk of interruption or dark areas |
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| [06:06:24] | wagnerrp: | wireless is fine for mobile devices |
| [06:06:37] | wagnerrp: | for anything static, the correct solution is to take the time, and run wires properly |
| [06:07:39] | dffgghfgh: | im using imdb-bulk-updater.pl to try and get movie descriptions. i'm passing in correct db username/passwords, and its running w/out showing any errors, but the changes it makes never seem to be updated in mythtv |
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| [06:08:24] | smylie: | is there anything in myth i need to do to make it see the changes to the video database? |
| [06:08:52] | wagnerrp: | smylie: we dont support that script |
| [06:09:09] | wagnerrp: | imdb does not allow such scrapers to pull data from their site |
| [06:09:23] | wagnerrp: | and the script has probably not been updated in years, and no longer supports the current database schema |
| [06:09:48] | wagnerrp: | of course its probably not set up to check the schema, to ensure it is a form that is supported |
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| [06:10:32] | wagnerrp: | smylie: what version of mythtv are you running? |
| [06:12:41] | smylie: | 0.23 |
| [06:12:56] | smylie: | good point though |
| [06:13:09] | smylie: | is there a standard way to get descriptions now? |
| [06:13:20] | smylie: | or is it just not a done thing anymore? |
| [06:13:31] | wagnerrp: | you can use the internal metadata support |
| [06:14:00] | smylie: | ahh |
| [06:14:03] | wagnerrp: | in 0.22 and 0.23, you can use the internal grabbers, but will have to do each file individually |
| [06:14:19] | wagnerrp: | if youve got a hundred or so files, thats the easiest solution |
| [06:14:22] | smylie: | k, my next question. . . is there a way to trigger a update of every file? |
| [06:14:24] | wagnerrp: | just hit 'w' on each file |
| [06:14:28] | smylie: | 4000 files =/ |
| [06:14:33] | wagnerrp: | if you want bulk on those versions, use JAMU |
| [06:14:42] | smylie: | cool |
| [06:14:42] | wagnerrp: | or, update to 0.24 which has support for bulk metadata grabbing |
| [06:14:46] | smylie: | oh |
| [06:14:49] | smylie: | even better |
| [06:15:02] | smylie: | thanks man =) |
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| [11:45:49] | k-man: | with themes, is there some sort of stacking order for the widget contents? like the background image of a selector, and the text? |
| [11:56:52] | k-man: | really, I wish you guys wouldn't go to be some times! |
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| [11:58:03] | foo8ar: | hi all, where do I find a recent version of find_orphans.py for 0.24 and is it usable? |
| [11:58:18] | k-man: | I believe it is on the wiki |
| [11:58:39] | k-man: | or at least, I believe they moved scripts like that to the wiki – not sure if that one in particular is there |
| [12:00:36] | foo8ar: | ok, so that's just copy paste? |
| [12:02:03] | k-man: | check the discussion of that wiki page for details |
| [12:02:16] | k-man: | there is often notes in the discussion |
| [12:02:38] | k-man: | but yes, just copy paste the raw version of it |
| [12:02:54] | foo8ar: | ok, thanks |
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| [14:20:27] | Psy123: | Could I please have some help with tuner config? |
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| [14:37:52] | Psy123: | heelo? |
| [14:37:56] | Psy123: | hello? |
| [14:38:51] | StevenR: | Psy123: we see you, please be patient. It might be worth expanding on the problems you're having with your tuner. |
| [14:39:26] | Psy123: | Thanks. Fine to wait ..I know you're here now. |
| [14:39:38] | Psy123: | While I wait, I'll elaborate. |
| [14:41:44] | Psy123: | HDhomerun. Twin tuners – 4 possible recordings. Live tv. Record from one transponder – fine, Change channel (to a different |
| [14:41:45] | Psy123: | transponder – fine. |
| [14:42:46] | Psy123: | CHange back to a different channel on the first transponder...Not fine – changes to a seemingly random channel on the tuner I am |
| [14:42:47] | Psy123: | currently on. |
| [14:43:26] | Psy123: | Does not seem to realise it needs to change back to the first tuner to view / record the channel I want to record. |
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| [14:44:37] | Psy123: | Should have mentioned..at each channel change, I have initiated a record. |
| [14:46:12] | marsilainen: | hi, is there any advantage of having a PCI (dual) tuner card rather than a USB one, apart from aesthetics of having the tuner inside the case? |
| [14:52:05] | Psy123: | mars:PCI /USB not as important as quality of tuners. |
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| [14:52:58] | Psy123: | Most USB tuners are pretty average. From my experience so are most PCI tuners. |
| [15:04:02] | marsilainen: | any particular ones I should buy? |
| [15:04:21] | marsilainen: | I was looking at a hauppage wintv nova usb stick |
| [15:04:40] | marsilainen: | but happy for any recommendations... |
| [15:04:43] | Psy123: | BLahhhh.. USB tuners – ewww. |
| [15:04:48] | marsilainen: | ? |
| [15:05:02] | marsilainen: | I thought you just said that all tuners are bad usb or otherwise? |
| [15:05:10] | Psy123: | Hauppauge PCIe – OK. |
| [15:05:59] | Psy123: | Kaiser Baas Network TV Tuner – or Silcone Dust HDHomerun. Much better tuners. |
| [15:06:26] | Psy123: | By OK I mean better. |
| [15:06:32] | Psy123: | Not great. |
| [15:07:34] | Psy123: | Also tried Dvico Fusions – Average. |
| [15:07:44] | marsilainen: | looks like kaiser baas tuners not available in uk |
| [15:07:58] | Psy123: | Im comparing these BTW to the tuners one would find in any old PVR/DVR |
| [15:08:26] | Psy123: | At best, PCI / USB are as average as the worst tuner one could find. |
| [15:08:41] | Psy123: | in a Hardware PVR |
| [15:08:51] | marsilainen: | I see |
| [15:09:04] | marsilainen: | that HDHomerun looks interesting |
| [15:09:11] | Psy123: | HDhomerun /KB have the best tuners I have found so far. |
| [15:09:11] | marsilainen: | quality of that is good? |
| [15:09:35] | marsilainen: | it's obviously twice as expensive as a usb stick |
| [15:09:37] | Psy123: | Yes. |
| [15:09:42] | marsilainen: | but I guess you pay for quality... |
| [15:09:44] | Psy123: | for a reason. |
| [15:09:52] | marsilainen: | does that contain just one tuner or is it dual? |
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| [15:10:57] | marsilainen: | I guess it's just single tuner |
| [15:11:19] | marsilainen: | so I guess that effectively makes it 4x as expensive as getting a dual tuner hauppage usb stick |
| [15:11:22] | Psy123: | Mind you...different tuners, different area – different results. For me HDHR /KB works very well – much better than hauppauge, |
| [15:11:23] | Psy123: | dvico, and any USB tuner I have tried. (USB for me was a complete waste of time). |
| [15:11:23] | marsilainen: | hmm |
| [15:12:10] | marsilainen: | reception here seems pretty good – I never seem to get artifacts etc so far when watching |
| [15:12:17] | Psy123: | If anyone can rercommend a good usb tuner..Im all ears. |
| [15:12:23] | marsilainen: | so I guess I'll try the usb stick first since it's a lot cheaper |
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| [15:12:32] | marsilainen: | but I do take your comments on board |
| [15:12:52] | Psy123: | Good luck.. |
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| [15:13:05] | marsilainen: | oh, hang on, that HDHR does seem to have dual tuners at least |
| [15:13:10] | Psy123: | If it fails, you know where to look next. |
| [15:13:16] | marsilainen: | so that does make it a bit better... |
| [15:13:19] | marsilainen: | it is tempting |
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| [15:13:46] | Psy123: | HDHR seems as good as any PVR tuyner I have tried. |
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| [15:14:09] | marsilainen: | I shall give it some thought, thanks |
| [15:14:41] | Psy123: | Avedia make a cheaper model...Not sure if it is compatible with HDHR drivers though...Not tried it yet. |
| [15:14:55] | Psy123: | Looks exactly the same. |
| [15:15:45] | Psy123: | StevenR: are you still busy? |
| [15:18:22] | Psy123: | ?? |
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| [15:25:48] | Psy123: | Any chance anyone here could point me the right direction? I need to find the source file(s) which handle available tuners. |
| [15:25:49] | Psy123: | ?? |
| [15:36:39] | wagnerrp: | Psy123: what exactly are you asking? |
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| [15:47:59] | Psy123: | Wag... |
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| [15:50:18] | wagnerrp: | no, livetv will not automatically switch to a different tuner to escape a locked multiplex |
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| [15:51:16] | Psy123: | What source code files would I need to look at to get it to do so? |
| [15:54:16] | wagnerrp: | not sure, to be honest |
| [15:55:24] | Psy123: | Would you agress it does so when I set a single recording : if I change to a different channel on different transponder – it |
| [15:55:24] | Psy123: | changes tuners. |
| [15:56:01] | wagnerrp: | when you set a recording, you are no longer using the livetv chain |
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| [15:56:07] | wagnerrp: | its a different set of code |
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| [15:56:11] | Psy123: | Im trying to make it stay on the same tuner ONLY if the channel I am trying to record is only on the same transponder. |
| [15:56:29] | Psy123: | As in not mythtv? |
| [15:58:18] | Psy123: | Any chance you could point me in the right direction? |
| [15:58:23] | wagnerrp: | i mean, with recordings, tuner selection is made by the first available that can tune the needed channel |
| [15:58:34] | wagnerrp: | with livetv, the selection is a completely different process |
| [15:58:57] | wagnerrp: | the tuner is selected, and then the available channels are those that that tuner can access |
| [15:59:19] | Psy123: | Surely then if 2 tuners have been utalized, the fallback would be whatever is available on the 2 transponders currently in use. |
| [15:59:36] | Psy123: | THing is, the channel list shows the available channels. |
| [15:59:46] | Psy123: | Only the available channels |
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| [16:00:41] | Psy123: | If I set one recording on one transponder, set another on a different one. Then try to change channels, the list of available |
| [16:00:42] | Psy123: | channels is restricted to the 2 transponders with which I am currently recording. |
| [16:01:41] | Psy123: | If I try to change to one of the channels which is on a different transponder to the one I am currently on, I get a random channel |
| [16:01:41] | Psy123: | on the same transponder as I am CURRENTLY on. |
| [16:02:10] | wagnerrp: | well then thats broken |
| [16:02:22] | wagnerrp: | it should only allow selection between channels on that transponder |
| [16:02:30] | Psy123: | THats why i'd like to fix it. |
| [16:02:47] | wagnerrp: | do you have the option 'allow surfing across sources' enabled? |
| [16:03:56] | Psy123: | As a normal PVR would do , it restricts the available channels to those which are on the 2 transponders I am recording....Trouble |
| [16:03:57] | Psy123: | is if I try to change to a channel on the first transponder, It changes me to a random channel on the current transponder. |
| [16:04:23] | Psy123: | SOrry – not familiar with that option? where can I find it? |
| [16:05:06] | wagnerrp: | its disabled by default |
| [16:05:14] | wagnerrp: | if you dont recognize it, it should be off |
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| [16:06:21] | Psy123: | Do you know which DB table contains the setting? |
| [16:06:32] | wagnerrp: | the 'settings' table |
| [16:06:41] | Psy123: | or where I can find it in the GUI? |
| [16:06:48] | Psy123: | One moment... |
| [16:08:03] | Psy123: | Searched "Surf" in that table...nothing. |
| [16:08:50] | sphery: | wagnerrp: If I was wrong in my half-remembering you were planning to do something about mythfrontend idleness, please don't think my message to the list was trying to assign you work. :) |
| [16:09:06] | Psy123: | Doesn't sound like that's the issue anyway. |
| [16:09:14] | wagnerrp: | sphery: no, that was stuartm |
| [16:10:18] | sphery: | I'm thinking http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9712 isn't so much a mythtv bug as users expecting mythtv to do something we don't support--autodetect frontend idleness (I think they're "stopping" mythfrontend by just suspending it out from under mythbackend, so mythbackend never loses the connection so we don't know the frontend is gone) |
| [16:10:32] | sphery: | yeah, was thinking you had plans for it with your protocol stuff |
| [16:10:48] | sphery: | guess stuartm's plans were a lot more direct, though |
| [16:10:52] | Psy123: | spery :understand that.. I'd like to fix the problem though. |
| [16:11:30] | sphery: | Psy123: well, until we add support for the frontend specifying whether it's idle or not, it's just a feature request |
| [16:11:34] | Psy123: | Would be helpful if a dev could point me in the right direction. |
| [16:11:58] | Psy123: | Happy to impliment the feature myself..Know the devs here are busy. |
| [16:12:12] | Psy123: | A little help wouldn't go astray. |
| [16:12:28] | sphery: | Psy123: your channel change thing is a known bug that may have been fixed either in later 0.24-fixes or, if not, in master |
| [16:12:45] | sphery: | I'm pretty sure it's not going to a random channel, but the first channel in the video source |
| [16:13:01] | Psy123: | I have a feeling that is the case. |
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| [16:13:22] | sphery: | what version are you running (mythfrontend --version to pastebin, please) |
| [16:13:50] | sphery: | Psy123: so are you one of the users in the 'mythtv is idle' and wont auto shutdown/suspend thread? |
| [16:14:58] | Psy123: | A very long time ago? |
| [16:15:01] | Psy123: | yes. |
| [16:15:39] | sphery: | if you have old 0.24, please make sure you update to current 0.24-fixes (for *buntu, see http://mythbuntu.org/repos ) |
| [16:15:45] | Psy123: | mythfrontend --version simply opens mythfrontend |
| [16:15:49] | sphery: | that may fix your channel change issue |
| [16:16:04] | sphery: | ah, then you /are/ *buntu... mythfrontend.real --version |
| [16:16:11] | Psy123: | Will try – although pretty sure I am running latest fixes. |
| [16:16:30] | sphery: | ah, thought the "long time ago" meant old 0.24 |
| [16:16:46] | sphery: | it may be that it was fixed in master, but too invasive to backport to 0.24-fixes |
| [16:17:42] | Psy123: | Fixes 0.24 |
| [16:17:56] | Psy123: | Master as in .25? |
| [16:18:10] | sphery: | master as in 0.25pre |
| [16:18:20] | sphery: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6948 is the ticket |
| [16:18:29] | Psy123: | 0.24.20110505–1 |
| [16:18:51] | sphery: | + #8211 + #9025 + #9161 |
| [16:18:57] | Psy123: | Yay.. All this work on the current release and a massive warning about the next :) |
| [16:19:05] | Psy123: | What to do.... |
| [16:19:18] | Psy123: | thinking I should mirror the HDD and give it a go |
| [16:19:28] | sphery: | So, it looks like the patches weren't backported |
| [16:19:56] | Psy123: | doesn't appear much of the things I really want fixed are /were. |
| [16:20:00] | sphery: | My recommendation would be to stick with 0.24-fixes and actually hit NEXTCARD or NEXTINPUT (just bind a key to one or the other) or use the MENU to switch inputs, then change to the channel you want |
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| [16:20:11] | Psy123: | not complaining. Now know how busy the team is. |
| [16:20:27] | Psy123: | Was a bit nieve a year or so ago. |
| [16:20:54] | Psy123: | Got ideas that myth was a 100 user team. |
| [16:21:01] | Psy123: | How wrong I was. |
| [16:21:16] | sphery: | Psy123: so, are you the one using VMs to test out an upgrade? If so, that does sound like it could be the reason the backend doesn't see the frontend disappear |
| [16:21:29] | sphery: | we don't have any heartbeat--and never have |
| [16:21:35] | Psy123: | Have already done so – next input |
| [16:21:46] | sphery: | we expect that when we have a connection from the frontend to the backend that there's a frontend connected |
| [16:21:57] | Psy123: | VMs? |
| [16:22:20] | Psy123: | Virstual machines? |
| [16:22:20] | Psy123: | no |
| [16:22:42] | sphery: | and if you somehow get rid of the frontend in such a way that it can't clean up the connection (so that the Linux networking layer or Linux I/O subsystem doesn't realize clean up the connection), we'd still see the frontend as connected |
| [16:23:13] | Psy123: | Im guessing you're not talking to myself? |
| [16:23:16] | sphery: | OK, then are you suspending the frontend? |
| [16:23:26] | Psy123: | Definitely not. |
| [16:23:56] | sphery: | you said you were in the "'mythtv is idle' and wont auto shutdown/suspend", so I"m trying to figure out which user you are to see if we can figure out why we're not seeing the connection close |
| [16:25:01] | Psy123: | Sorry. |
| [16:25:16] | Psy123: | That was like a year ago – if it was myself. |
| [16:25:22] | sphery: | oh |
| [16:25:27] | Psy123: | ZFigured it out. |
| [16:25:27] | sphery: | there's a new thread on the list, now |
| [16:25:39] | sphery: | I thought you were one of the users in it |
| [16:25:45] | sphery: | since you mentioned the shutdown issues |
| [16:25:50] | sphery: | you figured out how to make it work for you? |
| [16:25:52] | Psy123: | I noticed a new one a month ago. Was this the closed thread? |
| [16:26:10] | Psy123: | No.. Just accepted the way it works |
| [16:26:11] | sphery: | Oh, I'm talking about mythtv-users mailing list--sounds like you're thinking of a forum? |
| [16:26:15] | iamlindoro: | not only are you not talking about the same thread, you're not talking about the same medium |
| [16:26:15] | sphery: | oh, I see |
| [16:26:25] | Psy123: | No ticket list |
| [16:26:28] | sphery: | iamlindoro: heh, yeah, took me a while to figure that part out |
| [16:26:31] | sphery: | ah, ok |
| [16:26:56] | sphery: | well, fwiw, when we support frontend idleness, that will likely take care of the issues |
| [16:27:03] | sphery: | until then, mythwelcome is the approved solution |
| [16:27:37] | Psy123: | Mythwelcome works – but conflict with backend settings – ie 15 mins issue |
| [16:28:09] | Psy123: | 15 mins before a recording – there is NOTHING a user can do to make their system shutdown – other than manually shut it down. |
| [16:28:19] | Psy123: | THat seems to be a backend issue. |
| [16:28:36] | Psy123: | Not really an issue – just confusing. |
| [16:30:06] | Psy123: | regrdless of the user settings. |
| [16:30:40] | Psy123: | So you think .25 is the go for the current isue? |
| [16:31:27] | sphery: | yeah, I think the 15min is a hard-coded window during which mythbackend doesn't allow "auto" shutdown |
| [16:31:48] | sphery: | I think the /unstable/ development code has a fix for the channel issue |
| [16:31:55] | sphery: | I do not recommend running it on a production system |
| [16:32:15] | sphery: | I recommend manually switching tuner if you need to switch to a channel on the next card |
| [16:32:24] | Psy123: | Be nice if someone said that in the docs. Like I said – after much pain – figured that out...Like I said not a problem, but |
| [16:32:24] | Psy123: | confuses the Shit out of you when your settings are contrary . |
| [16:33:11] | sphery: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9351 says that using the menu to switch input doesn't work, in which case you need to go to the next card, which probably means you'll have to bind a key to NEXTCARD |
| [16:33:15] | Psy123: | Switching tuner: what Im currently doing. Happy to help fix the issue though (if it's not already fixed) |
| [16:33:30] | sphery: | Psy123: could always put some info in the wiki about the shutdown stuff |
| [16:33:37] | sphery: | it's one of the worst-documented features in all of mythtv |
| [16:33:51] | sphery: | (because until just recently, few were using it--because electricity was cheap :) |
| [16:34:18] | Psy123: | Im writing a manual as we speak. |
| [16:34:21] | Psy123: | litterally. |
| [16:34:44] | Psy123: | So far 30 pages with screen shots. |
| [16:34:51] | Psy123: | A4, small text. |
| [16:35:21] | Psy123: | And havent even finished mythtv-setup. |
| [16:35:47] | Psy123: | Of course it will be public – when I've figured out the detail. |
| [16:35:53] | sphery: | it would be great to document all the different shutdown stuff... shutting down a combined master backend/frontend system, shutting down a frontend-only system, shutting down a dedicated remote backend system (where in that case you need to let the master backend tell the remote backend to shut down), and shutting down a combined remote backend/frontend system |
| [16:36:35] | Psy123: | Sphere: are you a dev? |
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| [16:36:46] | Psy123: | or just in the know? |
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| [16:37:04] | sphery: | so it would need to cover mythshutdown + mythwelcome (for combined frontend/master backend system) + ACPI wakeup (and, optionally cover extending your shutdown script to send a message to another always-on computer that can use wakeonlan), and cover master backend "sleeping" of remote backends, and ... |
| [16:37:09] | sphery: | I'm a dev |
| [16:37:26] | sphery: | with far more ideas of what needs to be done than time to do them :) |
| [16:37:46] | Psy123: | Could have documented most of that in the time i've been sitting here waiting for a reply :_) |
| [16:38:21] | sphery: | heh |
| [16:38:58] | sphery: | I still don't know much about the shutdown stuff--except that we have multiple different "styles" that need to be used on different machines depending on their configuration |
| [16:39:06] | sphery: | one day, perhaps I'll explore it |
| [16:39:13] | sphery: | after all, electricity isn't getting any cheaper |
| [16:39:22] | Psy123: | You know the most annoying thing? |
| [16:39:29] | sphery: | what? |
| [16:39:44] | Psy123: | There are 50 million tutorials – all which use bits of out of date info. |
| [16:39:49] | sphery: | ah, yes |
| [16:40:00] | sphery: | that annoys me a bunch |
| [16:40:10] | Psy123: | Can I offer a breif suggestion? |
| [16:40:12] | sphery: | some user will hack at things until they find something that works in their particular case |
| [16:40:27] | sphery: | and then post a blog/forum post/... that tells other people to do what they did |
| [16:40:36] | sphery: | when in many cases that approach will break configurations for other users |
| [16:41:13] | sphery: | (I see this a lot with instructions on manipulating things in the DB... And Google doesn't help. I still hate Google for sending people to a particular page that teaches them how to corrupt their database.) |
| [16:41:14] | Psy123: | Be nice if that could be managed. Trouble is people take official wikis as gospel – spend hours /days /week /onths following and |
| [16:41:15] | Psy123: | re following instruction – only to give up. |
| [16:41:31] | sphery: | but if they would update the official wiki |
| [16:42:08] | Psy123: | Wiki lends itslef to history.. not present. |
| [16:42:14] | Psy123: | Its a stupid system. |
| [16:42:31] | sphery: | wagnerrp and iamlindoro do a great job of keeping an eye on the things that go in there, but sometimes things sneak by that may not be completely correct or--more often--there exists some old stuff in there that none of us realizes is there and, therefore, none of us knows to fix or delete |
| [16:42:59] | Psy123: | No offence to either of them.. Its a big job. |
| [16:43:10] | sphery: | so, if nothing else, if someone finds an out-of-date or incorrect page, and fixes it, it "bumps" the page so it comes to our attention |
| [16:43:24] | sphery: | and then we often decide whether it's worth keeping or at least try to remove the incorrect info |
| [16:43:30] | Psy123: | Can I make a really important suggestion ? |
| [16:43:34] | sphery: | sure |
| [16:43:50] | Psy123: | If one could see the date an update was made. |
| [16:44:13] | Psy123: | One could easily figure out if the advice was current. |
| [16:44:33] | Psy123: | And move on if it was not. |
| [16:44:42] | sphery: | we don't have dates on wiki |
| [16:45:13] | sphery: | looks like they're on there, but they're way at the bottom |
| [16:45:18] | Psy123: | Doesn't stop the user from entering them. |
| [16:45:19] | sphery: | not very prominent |
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| [16:45:43] | Psy123: | As the Wiki is updated all the time – each update needs a date. |
| [16:45:51] | sphery: | yeah, the history shows that |
| [16:46:02] | sphery: | but you'd have to know something about wikis to find that |
| [16:46:16] | Psy123: | I could go through the mythwelcome wiki and find 10 things which are out of date. |
| [16:46:26] | sphery: | (and correct them for us... :) |
| [16:46:42] | Psy123: | Yet there is a header says it applies to X version....Alot of the info does not. |
| [16:46:57] | sphery: | because, as you've found, we don't have enough devs to do it all--so we need others to help with some of it |
| [16:47:28] | sphery: | are you talking about http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythwelcome ? |
| [16:47:41] | Psy123: | Yup. |
| [16:48:06] | Psy123: | Sorry no. |
| [16:48:12] | Psy123: | ACPI wakeup. |
| [16:48:19] | sphery: | I dont' see a header/version info on there (other than things like, "A new addition in 0.19"), but IMHO, anything documenting a version prior to the current release version can be removed |
| [16:48:26] | Psy123: | one moment..Ill find the link. |
| [16:48:30] | sphery: | at /most/ we can keep info on 0.23-fixes, too |
| [16:48:47] | Psy123: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ACPI_Wakeup |
| [16:48:52] | sphery: | ah, yeah |
| [16:49:28] | Psy123: | Alot of mythwelcome crap in there – NVRAM???? |
| [16:49:45] | sphery: | but please feel free to rip out old (pre-0.23 stuff--and possibly even 0.23 stuff) and document /current/ mythtv |
| [16:49:46] | Psy123: | Mixed in with non NVRAM shit. |
| [16:50:02] | sphery: | if a user needs to learn about old versions, they can come in here and we can show them how to find the history |
| [16:50:20] | Psy123: | Can I pojnt out another un documented bug? |
| [16:50:29] | sphery: | and having all that historical garbage in there only makes it harder for anyone with current stuff to figure out |
| [16:50:32] | sphery: | sure |
| [16:50:52] | Psy123: | Input connections: Create one, hit next – only options are "Generic" |
| [16:51:15] | Psy123: | Go back into the connection – all of a sudden Tuner is available. |
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| [16:51:53] | Psy123: | Sphere. Im sure I'd be able to help out with that. |
| [16:51:59] | sphery: | yeah, our old, dead-code, Qt-based, not-mythui setup user interface is garbage--that was seriously broken by the switch to Qt4 |
| [16:52:27] | sphery: | we're rewriting the backend portion of it (which includes Input Connections), but it's unlikely to be ready before 0.26 at the earliest |
| [16:52:44] | sphery: | and none of us is really motivated to fix the code we're throwing away |
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| [16:53:16] | Psy123: | Seems to have more with DB update issues than QT. |
| [16:53:29] | sphery: | (as the time is better spent on the replacement--because the fixes for the old UI are /not/ quick fixes... we're talking 4–8hrs to debug and fix each little problem in several cases) |
| [16:53:34] | Psy123: | Seems the DB update occurs when finished, although can understand where you're coming from. |
| [16:53:40] | sphery: | no, the UI is broken |
| [16:53:46] | sphery: | and does weird things |
| [16:53:59] | Psy123: | Grrreat... |
| [16:54:01] | Psy123: | So. |
| [16:54:02] | Psy123: | ... |
| [16:54:03] | sphery: | which result in data being populated at times when you might not expect |
| [16:54:21] | sphery: | but in general if you go through it in order, it works |
| [16:54:26] | Psy123: | Spend all this time documenting the pheobles.....then a new version comes around. |
| [16:54:44] | Psy123: | Yes...if you go through the order from scratch...everyhitng works.. |
| [16:54:56] | Psy123: | Be prepared for confusion if you try to edit a setting. |
| [16:55:05] | sphery: | yes, that can be a challenge |
| [16:55:11] | Psy123: | Everything looks right...But in reality it is not. |
| [16:55:25] | sphery: | which is part of the reason I always recommending clearing all of the video sources or all of the capture cards when making any change to either of them |
| [16:55:27] | Psy123: | Perhaps considered a Web based "myth-Setup. |
| [16:55:35] | sphery: | that's what's in the works |
| [16:55:35] | Psy123: | Would be much more reliable... |
| [16:55:43] | sphery: | won't be ready until at least 0.26 |
| [16:55:50] | sphery: | we have the ideas |
| [16:55:51] | Psy123: | Was going to say I could definitely help with that. |
| [16:55:52] | sphery: | we just need code |
| [16:56:17] | Psy123: | Hmmm. |
| [16:56:19] | sphery: | anyway, gotta get some stuff done |
| [16:56:32] | Psy123: | Got to get to bed myself.. 3am. |
| [16:56:33] | sphery: | have a good day and good luck with your configuration/setup/upgrade stuff |
| [16:56:36] | sphery: | wow, late |
| [16:56:38] | sphery: | gn |
| [16:56:46] | Psy123: | Gn. talk soon. |
| [16:58:21] | Psy123: | Sphere?? you still there? |
| [16:58:28] | Psy123: | One more recent issue |
| [16:58:36] | Psy123: | This will be quick |
| [16:59:10] | Psy123: | If I run mythtv-setup I am now retuned to mythfrontend after... |
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| [16:59:41] | Psy123: | After my definded backend wait time – system shuts down |
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| [16:59:52] | Psy123: | Yet am not in mythwelcome. |
| [17:00:17] | Psy123: | Fixed with bash code to kill mythfrontend and start it again. |
| [17:00:37] | Psy123: | After mythtv-setup has finished. |
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| [17:06:48] | sphery: | Psy123: Yeah, that would be a mythbuntu script that's stopping/starting mythfrontend/mythbackend. We don't have code that does that. (It's the mythtv-setup script that then calls what we provide--what they've renamed to mythtv-setup.real ) |
| [17:07:46] | sphery: | you could likely fix the script to handle mythwelcome better (i.e. if it's running before mythtv-setup, remember and restart mythwelcome instead of mythfrontend) and submit a patch to launchpad |
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| [18:18:40] | new_tolinux: | hi all |
| [18:19:57] | new_tolinux: | short question.... what's the best way to get EPG-data when a channel is shared between 2 stations? |
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| [19:45:10] | NewBuntu81: | Hi All. I've added another drive and more memory to my mythtv server (master backend). I'm trying to set up the storage groups on the 2nd drive and am having trouble. |
| [19:45:59] | NewBuntu81: | On the working (primary) drive the storage directories show as green highlighted with blue text. On the second drive they are not the same. |
| [19:46:30] | NewBuntu81: | I've performed a chown mythtv:users <name of folder> command, as well as a chmod 775 <name of folder> for each folder. What am i missing? |
| [19:46:42] | NewBuntu81: | The error I keep getting is that the new directories are not writable. |
| [19:47:33] | [R]: | ls -ld /the/working/dir /the/nonworking/dir |
| [19:48:25] | wagnerrp: | perhaps you mounted the disk read-only |
| [19:49:15] | NewBuntu81: | results drive 2: drwxr-xr-x 12 root root 4096 Aug 7 15:21 /media/drive2/mythrecordings/ |
| [19:49:26] | NewBuntu81: | results drive 1: drwxrwxrwx 12 root mythtv 4096 Aug 7 15:21 /home/mythrecordings |
| [19:49:45] | wagnerrp: | presumably '/media/drive2' is the mount point? |
| [19:49:52] | NewBuntu81: | drive2 is the new one |
| [19:49:54] | NewBuntu81: | nonworking |
| [19:50:04] | [R]: | well there you go |
| [19:50:10] | wagnerrp: | why is it owned by root? |
| [19:50:15] | NewBuntu81: | drive2 shows "root root" whereas drive1 shows "root mythtv" |
| [19:50:20] | [R]: | so fix it... |
| [19:50:33] | wagnerrp: | why are either of them owned by root? |
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| [19:51:37] | NewBuntu81: | beats me. i followed the instructions when i set it up 8 months ago hahaha |
| [19:51:48] | wagnerrp: | what instructions? |
| [19:52:13] | NewBuntu81: | what i found online at mythtv.org and the mythwiki |
| [19:52:23] | wagnerrp: | got a link? |
| [19:52:34] | NewBuntu81: | Should mythtv be the sole owner of the storage directories? |
| [19:52:49] | wagnerrp: | they are used to store recordings? |
| [19:53:09] | NewBuntu81: | or i guess i should ask, what SHOULD my read/write results look like from the ls -ld? |
| [19:53:16] | NewBuntu81: | Drive1 is working, has been for a long time. |
| [19:53:28] | wagnerrp: | if they are used for recordings, only recordings should exist in them |
| [19:53:42] | wagnerrp: | so there is no reason for anything other than mythbackend (and the user running mythbackend) to have write access |
| [19:53:52] | wagnerrp: | if the user running mythbackend is mythtv |
| [19:54:07] | wagnerrp: | make it owned by mythtv, with 755 or 750 permissions |
| [19:54:29] | wagnerrp: | if the latter, make sure the user running your frontend is in the mythtv group |
| [19:54:33] | NewBuntu81: | Does the "green background with blue letters" mean something? |
| [19:54:43] | NewBuntu81: | (on the working..drive 1) |
| [19:54:46] | wagnerrp: | yes |
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| [22:16:11] | wagnerrp: | Shred00: logs from a segfault are generally of limited use |
| [22:16:21] | wagnerrp: | they might give an idea of where the fault is |
| [22:16:36] | wagnerrp: | but are typically not of sufficient precision to tell what the fault was |
| [22:16:45] | wagnerrp: | for that, we need a backtrace |
| [22:17:01] | sphery: | but that does sound like you have something running that's already bound to port 6543 |
| [22:17:09] | Shred00: | here's a pastebin in case the logs indicate another failure that is triggering a seldom used code path where the segfault is: |
| [22:17:09] | Shred00: | http://pastebin.com/20zbQkzY |
| [22:17:09] | wagnerrp: | generally, segfaults will produce a core dump, and that core dump can be run through gdb to produce a backtrace |
| [22:17:27] | wagnerrp: | see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging on how to do that |
| [22:18:10] | wagnerrp: | yeah, whatever caused the segfault is somewhat irrelevant |
| [22:18:11] | Shred00: | wagnerrp: yes, thanks. i was in the process of getting a backtrace. |
| [22:18:14] | sphery: | Shred00: your capture card config is broken.. You should do a Delete all capture cards, then re-define them, then re-connect inputs (in the order you want them used for recordings) |
| [22:18:31] | wagnerrp: | as sphery mentioned, mythbackend cannot bind to port 6543, and is self terminating |
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| [22:18:48] | wagnerrp: | the segfault is probably due to some improper cleanup during shutdown |
| [22:18:56] | wagnerrp: | perhaps a double delete of some object |
| [22:20:12] | Shred00: | but there is nothing else bound on port 6543. i will delete my capture cards and re-add them... |
| [22:20:21] | Shred00: | i have the backtrace of the segfault fwiw |
| [22:20:58] | sphery: | Shred00: can you do a: sudo lsof -Pnl +M -i6 -i4 |
| [22:21:18] | sphery: | (when backend isn't running) |
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| [22:21:56] | Shred00: | # lsof -Pnl +M -i6 -i4 | grep :6543 |
| [22:21:56] | Shred00: | # |
| [22:22:57] | wagnerrp: | you have -i6 in there... are you running ipv6? |
| [22:23:38] | Shred00: | wagnerrp: i am running ipv6 (dual stack with ipv4) but the -i6 is in there because sphery asked me to |
| [22:23:55] | wagnerrp: | what address is your backend listening on? |
| [22:24:46] | wagnerrp: | well, netstat says its not listening |
| [22:24:58] | wagnerrp: | rather, what address do you have set in mythtv-setup for your backend to listen on? |
| [22:25:15] | Shred00: | wagnerrp: will check as soon as i am finished with tuners... |
| [22:25:52] | Shred00: | wagnerrp: 10.75.22.2 |
| [22:26:05] | wagnerrp: | that could be the problem |
| [22:26:31] | Shred00: | what should it be? |
| [22:26:45] | Shred00: | that's the ip(v4) address of the BE |
| [22:26:49] | wagnerrp: | when mythbackend detects an IPv6 address, it will run in IPv6 mode |
| [22:27:06] | Shred00: | ahhhh. |
| [22:27:14] | wagnerrp: | there may be an issue with having an IPv6 address available, but telling it to run on a v4 address |
| [22:28:18] | wagnerrp: | GreyFoxx, or maybe Beirdo, would be better to answer that |
| [22:29:12] | Shred00: | fwiw, here's the stack trace of the segfault: http://pastebin.com/bfWQXRqg |
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| [22:30:08] | Shred00: | hrm. readded my tuners and changed the address in mythtv-setup to the machine's ipv6 address, still getting the same failure to start. |
| [22:34:14] | sphery: | updated log? |
| [22:35:27] | Shred00: | -v all for good measure: http://pastebin.com/RJsGDz2q |
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| [22:37:09] | wagnerrp: | sphery: any idea what that MythSocket might be connecting to on line 38? |
| [22:37:33] | Shred00: | looks like a proxy server |
| [22:38:17] | wagnerrp: | as i understand it, MythSocket is solely for connections using the backend protocol |
| [22:38:23] | wagnerrp: | backend to backend or backend to frontend |
| [22:38:31] | wagnerrp: | the master backend should never be connecting back to itself |
| [22:39:04] | sphery: | I think we use one to connect to the DB host/port if we're not using socket-based connections as a (hack of a) "ping" |
| [22:39:36] | sphery: | though I'd expect to see a 3306 on there somewhere... |
| [22:39:54] | wagnerrp: | no, the (hack of a) "ping" is literally a ping run on the command line a couple lines above |
| [22:40:22] | sphery: | no, there's both a host ping and a DB server ping |
| [22:40:28] | sphery: | (and, yeah, both are hacks :) |
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| [22:40:56] | sphery: | I really wanted to take out the db server ping, but others wanted to keep it |
| [22:41:32] | sphery: | and its only benefit is it allows us to be more specific in an error message that only occurs when you start mythbackend with mysqld not running |
| [22:42:17] | sphery: | still need to test if we can still identify the why of not connecting if I remove that ping and use the qt-mysql drivers to try to connect |
| [22:42:59] | Shred00: | additionally, that connection to the proxy server is "empty" i.e. it's a 3-way handshake immediately followed by the myth BE closing the socket with a FIN. |
| [22:43:26] | sphery: | wagnerrp: is the "ormat_to_mode() does not recognize V4L" and "ode_to_format() does not recognize V4L" something that happens on systems where users have 2.6.38+-based OS? |
| [22:43:44] | wagnerrp: | thats my guess |
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| [22:44:10] | sphery: | If so, that's very ugly (and makes me think that the card won't actually work)... Wonder if they need some V4L1-compat installed? |
| [22:44:34] | sphery: | (at least looks like it would make the cards we still treat as V4L1 not work) |
| [22:45:02] | sphery: | anyway, I'm still using a system that's based on earlier kernel headers |
| [22:45:02] | Shred00: | ah ha! if i unset the http_proxy variable, the backend starts. enough to show the list of recordings in mythweb, anyway. |
| [22:45:15] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [22:45:49] | Shred00: | port 6544 doesn't seem to be yielding a useful status for mythweb though |
| [22:45:51] | wagnerrp: | so having a proxy enabled prevents the backend from listening? |
| [22:45:52] | wagnerrp: | funky |
| [22:46:09] | Shred00: | seems so |
| [22:46:28] | wagnerrp: | well that was added a couple days ago |
| [22:47:00] | wagnerrp: | intended to support frontend applications like mythbrowser and mythnetvision |
| [22:47:21] | sphery: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/01f1c . . . 6f41f4ddc81/ was first http_proxy commit |
| [22:47:34] | sphery: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/df8b98741 was the month-ago commit |
| [22:47:57] | wagnerrp: | well what was the stuff a week back from lawrence? |
| [22:48:00] | sphery: | likely the 2nd one is causing the issue because we hadn't tested on a system with an actual proxy |
| [22:48:16] | sphery: | that went in? |
| [22:48:32] | iamlindoro: | No, Lawrence's did not go in |
| [22:48:34] | wagnerrp: | i thought something went in |
| [22:48:40] | iamlindoro: | Not the proxy portion |
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| [22:49:08] | sphery: | I think it's Beirdo's change that caused it... before df8b98741 , we were creating gContext before setting the proxy |
| [22:49:13] | wagnerrp: | the proxy portion was to allow users to provide a proxy through a means other than the ENV variable? |
| [22:49:24] | iamlindoro: | right |
| [22:49:35] | sphery: | so, now we just need to write code in the context to properly ignore the proxy for our listener? |
| [22:50:00] | wagnerrp: | i dont know why the listener would know of the proxy in the first place |
| [22:50:10] | sphery: | yeah, it's likely some interaction with Qt libs |
| [22:50:50] | Shred00: | fwiw, mythweb's "status" function is returning: |
| [22:50:51] | Shred00: | !!NoTrans: file_get_contents(http://ipv6_address_of_BE:6544/Status/GetStatusHTML): failed to open stream: Invalid argument!! |
| [22:51:03] | sphery: | Beirdo: thoughts? seems https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/df8b98741 is causing a failure to bind to 6543 for users who have HTTP_PROXY pointing at a real proxy: http://pastebin.com/20zbQkzY |
| [22:51:18] | Shred00: | wow. port 6544 is very interesting. |
| [22:51:30] | sphery: | Beirdo: I'm sure it's some weird low-level Qt issue, but was hoping you might have an idea what it is... |
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| [22:52:29] | Beirdo: | it's probably something related to the proxy |
| [22:53:22] | Beirdo: | I dunno |
| [22:53:55] | Shred00: | Beirdo: fwiw, the only connection the BE makes to the proxy is to open a socket and then immediately close it. no data is given to it or returned from it. |
| [22:54:09] | Shred00: | i.e. a (tcp) 3 way handshake followed by a FIN |
| [22:55:42] | sphery: | Shred00: any idea which port? |
| [22:55:58] | sphery: | this is the code that's executing... https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . il.cpp#L1432 |
| [22:56:13] | sphery: | tries 1080 for socks, 3128 for squid, and 8080 for ms isa |
| [22:56:14] | Shred00: | sphery: 3128, as specified in the http_proxy variable. |
| [22:56:54] | sphery: | ah, didn't remember your proxy value |
| [23:01:23] | Shred00: | what's the username/password at port 6544, assuming i have not set one? |
| [23:03:34] | sphery: | Shred00: please file a bug report with a default-verbosity log file showing startup at http://code.mythtv.org/trac . It's going to require some work to fix. Seems Qt uses the proxy for everything unless the address used in connectToHost(), bind() or listen() is equivalent to QHostAddress::LocalHost or QHostAddress::LocalHostIPv6 . |
| [23:04:23] | sphery: | Shred00: be very careful with the new http setup... it's password protected for a reason--it's not complete and with it you can completely destroy your mythtv configuration in the database |
| [23:04:56] | Shred00: | sphery: heh. ok. i will leave it alone for now then. :-) |
| [23:09:27] | Shred00: | done. 9970 |
| [23:09:40] | sphery: | thx |
| [23:09:52] | Shred00: | np at all. thanx for all the help. |
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| [23:13:18] | sphery: | for now, I'm assuming you can run mythbackend without http_proxy set, right? |
| [23:13:55] | Shred00: | sphery: yeah. for the time being. i will have to run mythfilldatabase by hand since it needs the proxy. |
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| [23:14:54] | sphery: | ah, yeah... wonder if mfdb will crash, too |
| [23:16:13] | Shred00: | what's mfdb? |
| [23:16:19] | sphery: | mythfilldatabase |
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| [23:16:40] | Shred00: | running it by hand is working |
| [23:17:46] | sphery: | ah, yeah, since only the backend binds to any ports, that makes sense |
| [23:18:14] | Shred00: | oh, hrm. a hostname in the FE seems to be failing. |
| [23:18:14] | Shred00: | 2011-08–07 19:17:28.765397 I Trying to wake up host [2001, attempt 0 |
| [23:18:14] | Shred00: | it seems to be truncating an ipv6 address |
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| [23:24:10] | Shred00: | oof. an ipv6 address doesn't seem to be working either. mysql is on ipv4 only, fwiw. |
| [23:24:42] | Shred00: | looks like the dual-stack work needs some polish |
| [23:26:53] | wagnerrp: | i think the plan is to remove mysql all together before we get to the point that mysql not supporting ipv6 is a problem |
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| [23:32:48] | k-man: | any idea why the text on a button list would be appearing below the background image for the buttlonlist? |
| [23:33:07] | k-man: | there is a move away from mysql? |
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| [23:33:26] | wagnerrp: | there is a planned move away from the mysql server, yes |
| [23:33:36] | sphery: | to embedded mysql |
| [23:33:37] | k-man: | oh.... to what? |
| [23:33:44] | k-man: | oh |
| [23:33:52] | k-man: | I see, interesting |
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| [23:49:48] | sphery: | Shred00: did you see the latest post on your ticket? the "debug log" would be the output from -l /path/to/log (the format of logging is more detailed in the file than on the console) |
| [23:49:57] | sphery: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9970#comment:2 |
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| [23:50:40] | Shred00: | sphery: yeah, just saw. will attach. |
| [23:51:15] | sphery: | thx |
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| [23:55:43] | sphery: | Shred00: which Qt version? |
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| [23:56:22] | sphery: | is this 4.8.0? |
| [23:56:34] | sphery: | (pre or beta or whatever?) |
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