Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, August 4th, 2011, 00:01 UTC

[00:01:11]

jams:

is mythzoneminder going to stay around for the foreseeable future?

[00:02:16]

wagnerrp:

no one is in a rush to remove it, but no one is in a real rush to maintain it either

[00:02:25]

jams:

k

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wagnerrp:

somehow paul-h seems to end up carrying all the lesser used plugins

[00:02:54]

jams:

pretty sure that was his plugin

[00:03:06]

wagnerrp:

i think most people see a valid use for it, they just dont use it personally

[00:03:27]

jams:

oh i see a valid use for it..but your right i don't use it

[00:03:52]

jams:

zoneminder itself isn't very active

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wagnerrp:

personally, id rather see us drop zoneminder, and fork the heavy processing bits internally

[00:04:19]

wagnerrp:

zoneminder has a lot of cool features, but i dislike the internal structure of it

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jams:

i mean the project only put out a release this year to address perl leaving it behind

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wagnerrp:

rather than a coherent system like multiple mythbackends

[00:05:00]

wagnerrp:

its more a series of command line applications loosely tied together with some perl scripts

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jams:

i dislike the perl scripts..as they seem to fail alot

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kormoc:

is there any better system out there?

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: im not saying there is

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jams:

kormoc- not that I know of, zoneminder appears to be the defacto answer

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wagnerrp:

im just saying i think it would work a lot better as some monolithic program, similar to mythbackend

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wagnerrp:

or at least multiple programs tied together with a communications protocol

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wagnerrp:

where as now, the only communication is done through mysql and exit codes

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jams:

kormoc- freshmeat doesn't turn up anything recent

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wagnerrp:

jams: ive actually considered setting up (myth)zoneminder once or twice

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wagnerrp:

but im just put off by the fact that it only operates on a single machine

[00:12:46]

wagnerrp:

ive got a couple cheap webcams that i could attach to frontends around the house

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wagnerrp:

but i dint have the reason to spend several hundred on nice network cams

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wagnerrp:

and its screwy to run zoneminder on each machine simply to serve the video up to a remote zoneminder

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jams:

i seem to remember paul had some patches for that..but kept them private because they were rather ugly.

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jams:

or tried and failed..one of the two =)

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wagnerrp:

thats why i say it could benefit significantly from a coherent client/server system

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wagnerrp:

i think it would be an interesting project to re-implement the thing using mythbackend and the recorder classes

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wagnerrp:

and set up an external application like mythcommflag for motion detection

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wagnerrp:

have it run in the same manner mythcommflag does behind a live recording, so it can bump up framerate/resolution/whatever on detection of mooooooooooooooooooooooooootion

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wagnerrp:

it would not be trivial by any means

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wagnerrp:

but i think it would result in a much more usable product

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wagnerrp:

at least for mythtv's purposes

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k-man-mobile:

Irc from iPhone – seems to work ok

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wagnerrp:

are you trying to excuse your brevity?

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wagnerrp:

:)

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[02:04:03]

k-man:

no

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k-man:

just logged in then had to go

[02:08:45]

k-man:

ah, my 15 iphone cables arrived!

[02:08:54]

k-man:

you can never have too many iphone cables imho

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wagnerrp:

im joking about how people on the mailing list always append 'this was sent from my mobile phone, please excuse the brevity

[02:09:15]

k-man:

wagnerrp, yeah – find that odd how they say that

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k-man:

any idea why my TV settings might be missing from my .25 test invironment?

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wagnerrp:

tv settings?

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k-man:

you know, TV settings in setup

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wagnerrp:

first time using 0.25?

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k-man:

err.. I guess

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wagnerrp:

the whole setup got rearranged

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k-man:

where would I find the setting to turn off all auto-expiring of recordings (and deletion of recordings when hdd is full?)

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wagnerrp:

dont know, never used it

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JEDIDIAH__:

if I were going to include a message like that, it would be "excuse the typos" and strange auto entry stuff

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sphery:

k-man: you can't turn off auto-expire... it always runs. You can, however, mark all your recordings and recording rules to not allow auto-expire--but if you do and you run out of space, Bad Things happen

[04:02:33]

sphery:

there is a setting, "Auto-Expire default: If enabled, any new recording schedules will be marked as eligible for auto-expiration. Existing schedules will keep their current value."

[04:03:51]

sphery:

(which is in tv general settings--wherever that is now)

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k-man:

sphery, its just on my test machine – for some reason my recordings keep dissapearing

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k-man:

I made rock cakes with my son

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k-man:

they are nice

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[R]:

sounds scary

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[R]:

woudn't you break your teeth?

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k-man:

no, they look like rocks, taste like heaven

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[R]:

what kind of rocks?

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k-man:

http://www.taste.com.au/recipes/4740/rock+cakes

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k-man:

they are kind of like lumpy scones

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[R]:

looks likea scary chocolate chip cookie

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k-man:

btw, that's not the recipe I made, I made them from my mother's recipe

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k-man:

it's a very scone like dough, not like a cookie dough

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[R]:

sounds scary

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k-man:

no, its yummie

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wagnerrp:

they taste good because the severe dental trauma results in shock and a release of endorphans to mask the pain

[06:13:09]

k-man:

no, they taste good because they are full of butter, sugar and wheat

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wagnerrp:

and rocks

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k-man:

the term "rock" describes the look, not the toughness

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[06:23:21]

Beirdo:

hmmm

[06:23:35]

Beirdo:

OK, I'm seeing google video in mythbrowser, no sound

[06:23:53]

Beirdo:

I'm thinking the flash plugin is sending sound somewhere I don't want it

[06:25:02]

wagnerrp:

i thought google video was gone

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Beirdo:

nope, just not terribly updated :)

[06:25:58]

Beirdo:

regardless, I'm sure it would be the same elsewhere

[06:32:32]

k-man:

what is the font used in the MythTV logo?

[06:33:16]

k-man:

oh, actually, I was refering to the MythTV logo in MythCenter which seems to be different to the logo on the MythTv web site

[06:34:20]

k-man:

there is a MythTV foundation?

[06:35:29]

k-man:

on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Logo to says "an svn version is available at http://....svg" surely it means an svg version?

[06:36:54]

Beirdo:

there we go

[06:37:17]

Beirdo:

fixed the default system alsa device to go to HDMI

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Beirdo:

k-man: a foundation is being formed

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k-man:

Beirdo, cool

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: I'm trying to test mythnews...google videos is still listed there, and required some hacking on my part to get it to do anything

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k-man:

no info on the wiki about the foundation?

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Beirdo:

not yet

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Beirdo:

I think any further support for Google Voice should be punted to MythNetvision

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Beirdo:

it doesn't really fit mythnews, inspite of having an RSS feed

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: how did google voice come into the discussion?

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wagnerrp:

are you picking mythphone back up too?

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wagnerrp:

:P

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justinh:

k-man: the logo font is something times-ish IIRC

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Beirdo:

errr

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Beirdo:

I meant Google Video

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Beirdo:

hehe

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** Beirdo is having a stupid night, obciously **

[07:06:00]

justinh:

heh

[07:06:08]

justinh:

I had a stupid late night last night. paying for it now

[07:06:47]

justinh:

arghh I forgot to boot the frontend. no returning to a source build for me today

[07:07:33]

justinh:

have to dig a keyboard out & set the thing's BIOS to enable WoL again

[07:08:02]

justinh:

wish stuff like that was just enabled by default. that'd be more sensible I think

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Beirdo:

heh

[07:08:24]

justinh:

or just.. don't have a config option for it

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Beirdo:

I dunno, I don't want WoL ever enabled without my foreknowledge

[07:08:32]

justinh:

leave it on.. what harm could it do?

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Beirdo:

make it easier to enable, sure :)

[07:09:16]

justinh:

then again, I know people who unplug every appliance in their house before going to bed at night. not just the power

[07:09:43]

justinh:

like er.. if your router is unplugged, and your PC is unplugged from power.. what harm could possibly happen?

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Beirdo:

but I (and many other people I'm sure) want my machine to shut OFF when I tell it to be off, and not have the possibility that someone else can turn it back on

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justinh:

off is never off off though

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Beirdo:

as you likely will want too once your kid's a teen

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Beirdo:

:)

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justinh:

the only off nowadays is pulling the plug

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Beirdo:

true

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justinh:

Beirdo: RF keyfob remote control of the router power :-D

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Beirdo:

but just think.. computer in kid A's bedroom... kid B turns it on remotely in the middle of the night and scares the crap outta kid A by playing loud music.

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justinh:

and/or a contactor on the bedroom power

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wagnerrp:

paul-h: follow up from earlier discussion

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Beirdo:

or hacker A...

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justinh:

I dunno if any kid of mine is going to be capable of such pwnage

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wagnerrp:

do you have any specific attachment to zoneminder?

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Beirdo:

heh, probably they will be able to

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wagnerrp:

would you be adverse to migrating to internal capability instead?

[07:12:06]

wagnerrp:

(volunteering myself, not you)

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justinh:

Beirdo: I dunno, too much stuff is done for everybody nowadays

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: you want to reinvent zoneminder?

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Beirdo:

fun.

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: just some cursory thoughts

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justinh:

oh wait.. hahahaha. they're gonna grow up seeing me do stuff. jees the lad already copies stuff we do

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wagnerrp:

replace the zoneminder recording routines with the recording classes in mythbackend

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wagnerrp:

update the recording classes in mythbackend for things like variable resolution and variable framerate

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justinh:

I might have to restrict backend access to physical only, with a lock on the door lol

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Beirdo:

yeah, but the motion detection... recording of events...

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justinh:

wagnerrp: an audio only one would be nice too while you're at it :-D

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Beirdo:

not really what mythtv itself was designed for

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: yeah, that is a bit of a problem

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wagnerrp:

mythcommflag can do something similar

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justinh:

I thught even mythzoneminder left all the recording to ZM

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Beirdo:

not saying it's a bad idea, but.. :)

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wagnerrp:

but its always a couple seconds behind

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justinh:

I had the impression it was just a player interface thingy

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wagnerrp:

meaning by the time it cranked up the framerate, the event may have passed

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justinh:

wagnerrp: sounds like the activity detection on our stuff

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

it's a similar issue for most CCTV applications, I'd bet

[07:15:43]

justinh:

nah

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justinh:

most CCTV applications are PC based now, running linux

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justinh:

with real CPUs

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

fun

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Beirdo:

put em into mythtv. :)

[07:16:12]

justinh:

y'know the type.. .CPUs that can handle what's thrown at them

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: could just have it run the full resolution, full framerate all the time

[07:16:36]

wagnerrp:

and delete what is irrelevant later

[07:16:38]

justinh:

not some bodged majorly hacked up 'RTOS' where nothing appears to run real-time

[07:16:45]

Beirdo:

well, that's one subset of the zoneminder's functionality

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justinh:

recording at full res, full rate? Oh – forget about UI interactivity. The system is IObound already

[07:17:14]

Beirdo:

yeah, you could just roll recording, flag what's "interesting" and discard the rest

[07:17:20]

wagnerrp:

basically, my complaint with zoneminder is it only runs on a single machine

[07:17:45]

Beirdo:

zoneminder is a backend type of thing, service wise

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wagnerrp:

i could see it being far more usable if you could have multiple machines linked together

[07:18:02]

justinh:

so it's not just a front end for a ZM server?

[07:18:03]

Beirdo:

too bad only one of my stupid cameras wants to "work" with it

[07:18:14]

Beirdo:

mythzoneminder is

[07:18:25]

Beirdo:

but it depends on you preconfiguring zoneminder

[07:18:29]

Beirdo:

on whatever box

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justinh:

huh? on the box you're running mythZM on you mean?

[07:18:54]

Beirdo:

I tried on me devel box, and if you think mythtv is a pain to setup... wow

[07:19:00]

justinh:

heh

[07:19:15]

justinh:

for the record, no I don't, and I never really have ;)

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Beirdo:

no, on any box, and it will connect to it via zm's normal port

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justinh:

ah that's what I thought it was. certainly what it was made out to be

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Beirdo:

one of my cameras won't even work with it

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: the other thing i /really/ didnt like about zoneminder is that the web application required the ability to directly run applications

[07:19:56]

Beirdo:

the other one, I can't adjust the brightness, etc to be usable

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justinh:

Beirdo: networked camera? the thing about them is there are no standards

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wagnerrp:

which means it needs to be running directly on the system with the cameras

[07:20:07]

Beirdo:

and yeah, zoneminder itself makes me wanna puke

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justinh:

and with 'webcams'.. yikes...

[07:20:15]

Beirdo:

two webcams

[07:20:24]

Beirdo:

both are craptacular, sure

[07:20:41]

Beirdo:

but I can use them with other apps and get images

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justinh:

Beirdo: ah but did you read the docs to see what was supported before you bought the cameras? ;-)

[07:21:04]

Beirdo:

I already had the cameras

[07:21:11]

Beirdo:

and docs? are you kidding me? :)

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justinh:

this is just like guy with ACME TV Tooner Card.. it works in Windows...

[07:21:35]

** wagnerrp goes back to bed **

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Beirdo:

yeah, I'd be happy to see a replacement for zoneminder one way or the other, I guess :)

[07:22:11]

justinh:

ZM does some majorly amazing stuff even our kit can't do yet

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Beirdo:

the webcams are compatible with Linux

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justinh:

we're starting to have stuff like tripwires, finely controlled motion detection zones etc.. but it's a long haul

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justinh:

wonder if ZM can do de-warping yet

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justinh:

5MP camera, fish-eye lens... massive field of view CCTV :D

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Beirdo:

well, if I ever get it to give me a valid image...

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justinh:

actually not 5MP cos the DSP couldn't cope with that many pixels. we need two DSPs on one card for that

[07:24:56]

justinh:

there was this demo of some absolutely ridiculous camera system at the big security expo a few months back

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justinh:

something like 12MB camera array

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justinh:

how the hell you're gonna stream that from a remote location & store it.. and search through it...

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justinh:

and process it.. and analyse the images...

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Beirdo:

yeah, no kidding

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Beirdo:

hald-addon-storage: polling /dev/sdd (every 2 sec)

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Beirdo:

WTH?!

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justinh:

this was it: (up to 51 MP) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f08r3mdmZMA

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Beirdo:

why do I have to poll the stupid card reader every 2s? there's nothing in there, likely never will be

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Beirdo:

poll it once a minute, you stupid program!

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justinh:

gets interesting 2 minutes in :)

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justinh:

eh? what's polling a card reader that often?

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justinh:

not mythmediamonitor surely

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Beirdo:

hald... the system

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Beirdo:

and it's doing that for the 4 parts of the card reader, plus on the CDROM

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justinh:

eep

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justinh:

pesky!

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Beirdo:

just in case I put in media. gimme a break.

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justinh:

oh windows, you crack me up.. blah.exe is an executable file... REALLY?!

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justinh:

are you sure you want to run it? Well DUH I double-clicked on it

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Beirdo:

must be, it's called .exe :)

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Beirdo:

well at least MNV is behaving for me :)

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Beirdo:

youtube in particular.

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justinh:

wonder if intel have fixed the flash playback tearing problem

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Beirdo:

the audio sounds like crap though... I'm sure that's teh bad encoding done by the uploader

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justinh:

the only thing stopping me using MNV on my frontend is the 1995-ness of the played back video

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justinh:

for petesakes they should just let the player do the playing. I mean whatever player

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justinh:

they rattle on & on about it being for content protection but it does *not* protect content whatsoever. So, just let other programs use the streams :)

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Beirdo:

yeah, providers are jerks :)

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Beirdo:

OK, now I have to find this CD for drowning out cow-workers

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Beirdo:

old Tourniquet... pretty hard to hear anything through it.

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Beirdo:

back in the days of dual lead guitars too :)

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justinh:

wonder how me old backend is doing

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justinh:

wish some people would fix their internets

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mzb:

actually .. might be able to help there ... hang on

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mycosys1:

has more to do with bringing 2 clients with cloned configs up at once while re-installing my laptop after its ssd decided to become blank one day

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mycosys1:

nick mycosys

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justinh:

whoops. I had dropbox running on my work desktop

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justinh:

bad day today. my desktop's HDD has died because the PSU fan had failed

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mycosys:

youch – power spikes?

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justinh:

no, the box got way too hot

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justinh:

I saw a SMART warning come up saying it was about to fail, set about shutting the box down & then felt how hot it was.. looked at the PSU.. no fan turning. Powered off, fitted a new PSU, got a new HDD in place ready to clone the old one & the old un just clicks loudly now

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justinh:

fat lot of use SMART is, yet again

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justinh:

okay, so there doesn't seem to be a linux GUI tool for programming AVRs

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justinh:

I'm just about all ready to move to linux at work. There's only AVR programming I really need windows for now

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justinh:

cos I'm still waiting for our IT guy to get me a Windows CD

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justinh:

ROFL. he's burning me one now

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justinh:

hmmm. maybe commandline AVR programming would have advantages

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justinh:

for one thing I could script it

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justinh:

OMG.. I could have a script grab the latest .hex file zip, unzip it & program the device

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justinh:

once I figure out how to use the commandline programming stuff

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GreyFoxx:

c

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iamlindoro:

d!

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KungFuJesus:

So if I'm reading things correctly, the ceton infinitv will allow you to capture up to four cable streams via use of the cable card?

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KungFuJesus:

It looks like they have linux support http://www.cetoncorp.com/infinitv/support/linux.php

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KungFuJesus:

the caveat they use when they say only channels that are CCI=0, what does that mean?

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iamlindoro:

It means that the cable company has set the copy control bit to "Copy Freely." Depending on your cable provider, where you live, and specific headend, this could be many channels, or no channels

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KungFuJesus:

ah so it's basically luck of the draw similar to what broadcasters decide to broadcast in clearQAM

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KungFuJesus:

do proprietary set top boxes restrict what you can and can't record?

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iamlindoro:

Depends on what you mean by proprietary

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wagnerrp:

yes, rented cable boxes can only record certain things

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wagnerrp:

im not certain what the rules are for 'copy never content'

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wagnerrp:

but Windows MC is limited to a rolling 90 minute window for playback of 'copy never' content

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wagnerrp:

tivo has something similar

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KungFuJesus:

ah I see, so you still get the ability to pause and have all the normal DVR functionality but only for limited time. I've never had cable in my life and am really unaware of the specifics since it went entirely digital

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KungFuJesus:

if I did subscribe to cable it seems I'd rather do the janky method of controlling it over firewire through their boxes just to save the PCI-Ex slot :-/

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KungFuJesus:

wagnerrp: you're from my area, right? What do you use to capture cable? How limited is it?

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sphery:

note that MythTV will never be able to record Copy Once or Copy Never content--not even to just display it live

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KungFuJesus:

sphery: understandably, I feel like it would adulterate the code to even try to program that restriction to begin with, not to mention it could easily be hacked with the open source nature

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sphery:

To do so you'd likely need to use an external tuner (rented cable box) and an analog capture device--like the PVR-150 or HD-PVR

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sphery:

exactly

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wagnerrp:

i dont know what your area is

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KungFuJesus:

Cincinnati

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wagnerrp:

aye

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KungFuJesus:

I think I remember hearing that Cincinnati Bell's cable over IP service (if you are in the area for their fiber) broadcasted most of the content in clearQAM

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KungFuJesus:

by over IP I mean they had a box that put out a clearQAM signal after the fiber runs into your residence

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KungFuJesus:

If there was a premium premium cable service that just gave you all the content in clearQAM I'd pay for it :-/.

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wagnerrp:

i dont know much about fioptics

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wagnerrp:

according to my cousin, they had stalled rollout

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KungFuJesus:

yeah, seems fiber is much more expensive now too, they're asking for ridiculous pricing

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wagnerrp:

he seemed to think it was just straight IPTV

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wagnerrp:

which would be foolish

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KungFuJesus:

well it wasn't initially, my friend has an apartment in clifton and when he could get into the basement, it ran the fiber into this little locked box that had RG-6 coming out of it

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KungFuJesus:

I think they continued to offer cable services to continue to compete with time warner and insight, and in areas that didn't have the bandwidth they tried to team up with DirecTV

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wagnerrp:

they teamed up with directtv for people with DSL service

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KungFuJesus:

yeah that sounds right

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KungFuJesus:

so you could still effectively bundle your services like you would with a cable corp

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KungFuJesus:

what do you use?

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wagnerrp:

zoomtown

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KungFuJesus:

well I meant TV service wise, I seem to remember you saying you had cable

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wagnerrp:

yes

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KungFuJesus:

so how do you capture your cable?

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wagnerrp:

for now, i dont

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wagnerrp:

havent managed to get IR blasters working for my miniboxes

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mag0o:

when using evdev with http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Remapping_remote_c . . . ter_than_255 can I use Option "AutoRepeat" "xx yy" to control the button repeat rate? Right now, without the AutoRepeat option, button repeats are outrageous.

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sphery:

mag0o: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/487756#487756 ?

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mag0o:

thanks sphery, i was looking at xset and was thinking in my head that i didn't want it to effect the keyboard, then I just remembered that I don't use a keyboard on that box...

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i just realized a fun fact

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wagnerrp:

i rarely actually close fallout

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wagnerrp:

i just wait for it to crash and decide thats a good time to stop

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mag0o:

lol

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, my fallout experience is getting much more challenging as I learn more and more... Trying to remember and avoid all the surefire ways to trigger glitches that get me stuck or lock up the game or ...

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sphery:

still can't stop playing it, though...

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sphery:

I guess it's all part of it's "1950's cold war feel"

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wagnerrp:

would that be 2150 cold war feel?

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dekarl:

You just have to love some stations... "episode 14 was repeat of episode 4" funny. And some people wonder why they have gaps in the numbering of their episodes :)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: it's the "retrofuturistic" story and artwork: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallout_%28series%29

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wagnerrp:

sphery, i know what youre talking about

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GreyFoxx:

cd urls

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GreyFoxx:

dammit :)

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iamlindoro:

Greyfoxx:/urls/

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justinh:

hmm this 'total height exceeded' thing in gui,extra verbosity – is that just something I can ignore? I've tried changing dimensions but can't seem to get rid

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iamlindoro:

gui,extra is pretty high verbosity-- if it doesn't appear in general, I wouldn't worry about it

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justinh:

iamlindoro: ta, I think it's just the code showing its working in that regard

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justinh:

haha finally getting somewhere with the new checkboxes

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justinh:

oh bugger. gonna have to redo all the scheduler screens

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: i disagree, mythtv is clearly supposed to allow a single video to loop

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wagnerrp:

failure to perform that feature it obviously already has is really a bug

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wagnerrp:

after all... mythtv is just built around mplayer anyway

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laga:

i thought mythtv was built around freevo

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wagnerrp:

no, freevo is built around VLC

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wagnerrp:

how else do you think it supports streaming from backend to frontend?

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laga:

well, why would you choose anything besides VLC? it does everything you need

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laga:

true unix philosophy

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justinh:

freevo supports streaming now?

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wagnerrp:

hell if i know

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justinh:

gah it still hurts my eyes though http://doc.freevo.org/FreevoInAction

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wagnerrp:

doesnt look that different from our old stuff

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sphery:

you mean, they don't look that different from each other?

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sphery:

seems they have the same issue of "new themes" just being some existing theme with a couple minor changes

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justinh:

and being 4:3 too. so 20th century lol

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sphery:

heh, though it would be nice if we had at least one all-new, designed-for-mythui 4:3 theme

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justinh:

one I'm doing'll work at 4:3 too

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wagnerrp:

sphery: the upnp/database issue where a slave backend would connect to an older backend over upnp, and then proceed to update the database

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justinh:

but I ain't touching mytharchive

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wagnerrp:

when was that behavior blocked?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: Mar 3 -> https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/889f5 . . . 57d9f694749/ (only in master, so far)

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wagnerrp:

ah, so a 0.24 backend will still upgrade a 0.23 database

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

I could backport the change, but that will only help users with current-enough -fixes

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wagnerrp:

yeah, im guessing this user doesnt

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sphery:

I'll go ahead and update it--safer to update than not (even if it's not a "fix" per se)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: in such an event, the slave backend will not be configured and will not have any storage defined

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wagnerrp:

will it fall through to storing the database backup in the users ~/.mythtv directory?

[21:01:35]

wagnerrp:

or will it simply not produce a backup?

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sphery:

/tmp

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sphery:

actually, tries any dir defined in the dbbackups sg and then default sg

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sphery:

and remember that those dirs are defined once and exist on all hosts

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wagnerrp:

right

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sphery:

slave backends only override the dir lists

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sphery:

so if any of the dirs configured on the mbe exist, that will be used first

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wagnerrp:

considering its mythbuntu, that directory should already be defined, exist on the filesystem, and be given file permissions to the mythtv user

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sphery:

(and one of the fallbacks, I think, is any dir in any sg)

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sphery:

the /tmp fallback only happens if no sg dir exists on this host

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wagnerrp:

right, im saying they would have been defined on the master

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wagnerrp:

since the 0.24 backend would have never been able to generate them on the 0.23.1 databse

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sphery:

yeah, so hard part is explaining to the user

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sphery:

though the log should say where it's written

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wagnerrp:

bah, i dont want to wait 30 seconds between posts

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wagnerrp:

nevermind, the system was hosed and was trying to make me doublepost

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wagnerrp:

anyone ever used XMing?

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sphery:

I hear it dies when you put a Flash drive in the system

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sphery:

ah, ah!

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wagnerrp:

did you kill it with a port probe on the front of your mobile application?

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wagnerrp:

paul-h: you seem to be around now, any thoughts on last night's comments?

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paul-h:

what comments?

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wagnerrp:

discussion last night about mythzoneminder

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wagnerrp:

i know youve been periodically maintaining it, but i dont know how much you use it

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wagnerrp:

basically, the discussion was just about dropping zoneminder itself, for something implemented directly into mythbackend

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wagnerrp:

reusing the mythtv recording classes, and the upcoming schema rewrite for video storage

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paul-h:

The family uses it all the time without problems

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wagnerrp:

record in full resolution and full framerate all the time

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wagnerrp:

use something like mythcommflag to digest out motion scenes, storing only the relevant chunks

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wagnerrp:

access live viewing through the existing livetv chain

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paul-h:

I'd hate that. That's reinventing the wheel if you ask me

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paul-h:

If you feel that way just remove it and I'll maintain my own copy

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wagnerrp:

well thats part of the point

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wagnerrp:

personally, ive never liked the structure of zoneminder

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wagnerrp:

being limited to a single machine, and requiring the web server run as the same user account on that machine, with execute privileges

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wagnerrp:

but changing that would effectively amount to rewrite of the whole thing anyway

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wagnerrp:

in any case, this is entirely speculation

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wagnerrp:

not something i would actually start working on for maybe a year, if at all

[21:50:19]

wagnerrp:

its just something thats been sitting at the back of my mind since looking into setting up zoneminder a couple years back

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paul-h:

Sorry I think it's a crazy idea to try to replicate what ZM already does really well in my experience

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sphery:

Trisooma: don't know if the new mythmusic is designed to use it, but if so, you might want to talk to iamlindoro about what it would take to do up some metadata grabber scripts--I think the API has full support for music-based scripts, but we likely need the scripts themselve4s

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wagnerrp:

yeah, there is a class set up with music content in mind

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wagnerrp:

but no grabber scripts to use it with

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wagnerrp:

and as such, no real experience using it to know get a feel for how well it works

[22:04:53]

wagnerrp:

i.e. some data points may not be used, some other points may be lacking

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wagnerrp:

general tweaking that you would learn from actually implementing it

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sphery:

so I guess it's a question of whether paul-h is hooking into that for the mythmusic rewrite or if that is something that will also need to be done

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** Trisooma will talk to iamlindoro **

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paul-h:

sphery: I've not added anything that uses the metadata grabber scripts. When I was working on adding a lyrics screen I suggested some changes to iamlindoro to make it easier to just grab a part of the metadata rather than grab everything all at once but he seemed to take offence to the idea so I gave up on that and just implemented it in MythMusic

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wagnerrp:

paul-h: the system is currently set up to allow it to take as little or as much of the data as the grabber script provides

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wagnerrp:

for instance, when performing a search in the tmdb.py grabber, it only returns the key information

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wagnerrp:

when pulling the movie directly, it provides tons more images to choose from

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paul-h:

Maybe things have changed since I last looked

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paul-h:

It was all or nothing for the Music stuff at least

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paul-h:

It would be nice to say find me some lyrics for this track

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wagnerrp:

i dont think it would be difficult to have it simply add another command line argument for 'lyrics', that would only return with the lyrics attribute populated

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paul-h:

That''s more or less what I suggested to iamlindoro but he didn't like the idea

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wagnerrp:

considering that seems to be how the system already works, as i understand it

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wagnerrp:

im assuming it was a misunderstanding

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paul-h:

Not sure if it was the scripts or the metadata interface presented to MythMusic that was the problem but I do remember there was no way to just get lyrics for example you had to get everything

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wagnerrp:

well you do get the whole object, whether or not the individual fields are populated

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iamlindoro:

for the record, I have never objected to a lyrics only grabber

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iamlindoro:

It would be better to have a lyrics grabber and a "everything else" grabber rather than mangling the command line options, since those are intended to be universal/used by all scripts

[22:32:05]

iamlindoro:

But either way, perfectly doable

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iamlindoro:

and also for the record, the metadta classes have worked as described above since day one

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iamlindoro:

As wagnerrp mentions, if you are expecting lyrics back, you get the lookup object, and do lookup->GetDescription()/GetLyrics()/GetWhatever() on it, and stop

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iamlindoro:

afk

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paul-h:

iamlindoro: If I was a sphery I'd find the logs were we discussed this but honestly I'm not going to waste my time looking. If that's now possible then great. If someone implements some grabbers I can add support for them

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wagnerrp:

well if anyone cared to experiment, it would only take a couple minutes to add music grabber support into the python bindings

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paul-h:

for lyrics or the other metadata?

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wagnerrp:

whatever data points are both supported by the metadata format, and by the mythmusic database tables

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wagnerrp:

basically, i just add one of these... http://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/m . . . heap.py#L267

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wagnerrp:

although the classes for handling music data could really be expanded a bit themselves

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wagnerrp:

right now, theyre little more than a shell around the base classes

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wagnerrp:

which means their behavior is completely autogenerated based off the schema

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paul-h:

I guess the difficult bit is finding sites with useful stuff we can use and not break their TOS

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wagnerrp:

seems musicbrainz has an XML service we can use

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wagnerrp:

their database is a mix of public domain and creative commons

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wagnerrp:

some things like tags and user ratings require login and password

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wagnerrp:

i dont think the metadata system currently allows for such

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wagnerrp:

well it could be hard coded into the grabber by each user

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wagnerrp:

but that seems messy

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iamlindoro:

or the grabber could pull the login values from the DB, and set in the UI

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wagnerrp:

good point... didnt think about that

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** sphery remembers iamlindoro mentioning a basic idea for a design for that on -users list **

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/474600#474600

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iamlindoro:

I think I like the "set it in the UI" idea better than putting them in plaintext on the command line, but I guess that means if a grabber isn't using the bindings there's potential for ugliness

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: i was thinking more of passing stdin

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sphery:

of course, some will complain that you're storing the password in plain text in the db, too :)

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wagnerrp:

but that would be a lot more difficult on both sides

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** sphery votes for encoding it with the highly-secure ROT-13 algo **

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wagnerrp:

sphery: when you have to send the password in plain text to the remote end, what alternative do you have?

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wagnerrp:

you could encrypt it, but then you would need to store the passphrase for it

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wagnerrp:

and youre right back in the same place

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iamlindoro:

Well, we can at least all agree that it's possible :)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, I'm only making the comment because I'm in that same pickle with http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9555

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wagnerrp:

that schedules direct stuff?

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sphery:

I took that ticket because I plan to rewrite the wget stuff to use mythdownloadmanager, then we don't do the password on command line part

[23:07:18]

sphery:

and I may put in a warning saying, "Don't use the same password you used for everything else."

[23:07:21]

sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

so, I'll fix 2, can't fix 1 and can't do anything about storing the pw in the clear in the db

[23:08:21]

sphery:

(at least, can't do anything effective about storing the pw in the clear in the db)

[23:08:51]

sphery:

but if people press, I'l put in a placebo to slow a wannabe cracker down by 20s

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wagnerrp:

base64 it

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wagnerrp:

it will look encrypted to anyone who doesnt know what theyre doing

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wagnerrp:

or bother to take a look in the code

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sphery:

right--and will take someone who's actually trying to crack the account an extra 20s to realize, "hey, that's base64'ed, then reverse it"

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wagnerrp:

a simple placebo

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sphery:

yep, exactly

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wagnerrp:

meh, if they have access to your system/database, its all over anyway

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sphery:

yeah

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