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| [00:13:22] | k-man: | sphery, yes, that is me |
| [00:13:41] | k-man: | sphery, but I got an email from someone also working on mythcenter |
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| [00:15:29] | sphery: | was it Kevin Kuphal? |
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| [00:28:10] | k-man: | sphery, yeah |
| [00:30:07] | k-man: | his work seems nice |
| [00:31:23] | wagnerrp: | sphery: the only thing that put me off about that was the box of property icons in the bottom right |
| [00:31:29] | wagnerrp: | it seems somewhat forced |
| [00:32:47] | k-man: | I like this screen: http://www.flickr.com/photos/38754067@N00/817 . . . photostream/ |
| [00:34:02] | wagnerrp: | except those were all taken before i even started using mythtv |
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| [00:46:04] | sphery: | k-man: cool, he mentioned he was working on some stuff for it, and I told him about your work. |
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| [01:13:10] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: are you intending to tie artwork into the program deleter like thumbnails are? |
| [01:13:28] | wagnerrp: | or do you just intend to let them sit there, or run a housekeeper to eventually clean them up? |
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| [01:25:53] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: I don't intend to do any cleanup at the moment, since there's a lot of cross pollination with videos and whatnot-- I keep seeing opportunities for users to get PO'd if we touch that stuff |
| [01:26:54] | sphery: | but will be relatively easy to do so after the new schema, if sphery would get his stuff done... |
| [01:27:41] | wagnerrp: | ok, i was just going through the existing delete thread to write up the analog for the library i wrote |
| [01:27:51] | wagnerrp: | was just wondering if you intended to put anything in there for that |
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| [01:35:22] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: I kind of figured never cleaning up would probably get fewer complaints that possibly cleaning up erroneously |
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| [01:35:48] | iamlindoro: | as of right now, no plans to-- but I could be convinced if there was a well-working patch |
| [01:35:49] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt doubt that |
| [01:36:12] | iamlindoro: | and yeah, the new schema would help since they'll all live in the same place |
| [01:36:29] | wagnerrp: | i would rather see such a thing implemented as part of the existing recording cleanup in the housekeeper |
| [01:36:52] | wagnerrp: | rather than having to check that there are no other users of each bit of content on each deletion |
| [01:38:35] | wagnerrp: | were only talking hundreds of MB maximum even with the largest of collections |
| [01:39:01] | wagnerrp: | so its not like its something that cant wait until 0.26 and the new schema |
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| [01:39:53] | sphery: | yeah, with the recordedfile schema, we'll have an entry for each image, and can easily delete the image with the recording/video if there are no other users of that image |
| [01:40:13] | sphery: | I think iamlindoro's approach is perfect for the interim :) |
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| [01:41:22] | wagnerrp: | well we have an entry for every image now |
| [01:41:28] | iamlindoro: | Well at least someone approves of my approach to something these days :) |
| [01:41:30] | wagnerrp: | which is more than can be said for thumbnails |
| [01:42:00] | wagnerrp: | which are a 'search the filesystem for something that looks right' approach |
| [01:42:05] | sphery: | where are the entries for images now? |
| [01:42:13] | iamlindoro: | sphery: recordedartwork |
| [01:42:21] | sphery: | ahh |
| [01:42:29] | sphery: | so that's one that gets moved? |
| [01:42:38] | iamlindoro: | moved? |
| [01:42:39] | sphery: | I think I half remember you mentioning it |
| [01:42:49] | wagnerrp: | yeah, it will have to be migrated over to the new schema |
| [01:42:52] | sphery: | moved to mediafile |
| [01:43:04] | iamlindoro: | well, less moved as much as interpreted, but sure |
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| [01:46:44] | sphery: | just saying that all the info in it will be in metadatacommon + mediafile entries, so we probably wouldn't need recordedartwork after the switch, right? |
| [01:48:01] | iamlindoro: | in theory-- right now it's keyed off of inetref, so there's a many-rec-or-rule to one row relationship |
| [01:48:34] | iamlindoro: | will need to figure out how to do that properly in the new schema-- as changing the artwork for a season of a show needs to propagate to the members of that season |
| [01:49:41] | sphery: | guess so |
| [01:49:43] | iamlindoro: | moreover, the existing code gets the latest artwork when none is available for a specific season |
| [01:49:49] | iamlindoro: | which is a nice feature |
| [01:50:03] | iamlindoro: | ie, you roll over to season 6 of chuck, and no artwork has been grabbed yet--- so you get season 5's art |
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| [02:11:03] | lwizardl: | hey guys |
| [02:11:34] | k-man: | can you make buttons with gradients in the theme system? |
| [02:12:43] | lwizardl: | I was wondering if anyone knows of a web site that lists whats airing on various EPG datas for fta satellites. i can find places like lyngsat for the locations of the sat but not whats on each |
| [02:15:32] | wagnerrp: | schedules direct should |
| [02:17:20] | lwizardl: | yeah but for that wouldn't I have to have each satellite location by hand into the site |
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| [02:19:29] | iamlindoro: | k-man: yes, buttons are just a special kind of statetype, you can just put a shape inside it |
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| [02:24:17] | k-man: | I think gradient buttons and selectors could work well for long items |
| [02:24:43] | k-man: | so you don't have to have a massively wide button or selector to fit long items |
| [02:24:59] | k-man: | maybe some themes already do that |
| [02:24:59] | ThisNewGuy: | iamlindoro: would you consider adding an API to look up all episodes for a show or a season? My end goal would be to compare what I have recorded/watched vs. what exists (perhaps in mythweb) |
| [02:25:40] | iamlindoro: | ThisNewGuy: To be honest, I would find that of extremely limited utility, and each time we add something like that, we require that potential grabber script authors (and their metadata sources) comply with our niche demands |
| [02:25:52] | iamlindoro: | ThisNewGuy: I'm not trying to be discouraging, I just am not sure how it would have broad use |
| [02:26:34] | ThisNewGuy: | iamlindoro: k |
| [02:27:13] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Actually, the 3x prime tuner fix was by me in June: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/7c2c2 . . . bs/libmythtv |
| [02:27:28] | iamlindoro: | But it still indicates he isn't running current fixes |
| [02:27:44] | wagnerrp: | this june? or last june? |
| [02:27:58] | iamlindoro: | ThisNewGuy: Again, don't want to rain on your parade, I am extremely glad you are enthusiastic about it-- just don't want to compel script authors to support niche functionality |
| [02:28:01] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: this june |
| [02:28:06] | iamlindoro: | ~45 days ago |
| [02:29:00] | wagnerrp: | ThisNewGuy: at least for thetvdb, that information is returned by their API |
| [02:29:26] | wagnerrp: | but that is a weird behavior of their api that all queries return all episodes of the show in question |
| [02:29:38] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt expect most other services to behave in that manner |
| [02:29:57] | ** iamlindoro is still waiting for someone to run up with a RageTV grabber ** | |
| [02:30:08] | iamlindoro: | but then... I've been waiting ~2 years for that |
| [02:30:17] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [02:31:07] | iamlindoro: | I am very surprised that people kept hacked together scripts for a number of French and German metadata sites limping along, but once the metadata classes actually got rewritten and became mature, nobody has stepped forward with more scripts |
| [02:31:45] | iamlindoro: | I've flirted with the idea of adding support for adult content, but I'd at least need to find someone to write a grabber script for it (and "grabber script" takes on a new meaning) |
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| [02:33:02] | wagnerrp: | and would require the availability of a 'ipdb' for which to write a grabber against |
| [02:33:17] | iamlindoro: | There are a couple (I think) |
| [02:33:29] | wagnerrp: | although i dont know what additional information you would need |
| [02:33:48] | iamlindoro: | Not much, just would need a way to keep the libraries distinct in some way |
| [02:34:04] | wagnerrp: | ah, so beefed up parental mode |
| [02:34:16] | iamlindoro: | as TV and movies are easy-- one has season/episode, the other doesn't... adult content is just like movies-- so needs a logical distinction to know which grabber to use |
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| [03:00:31] | k-man: | gah, stupid dell computer I have wouldn't post. turned out the memory needed to be reseated |
| [03:00:49] | k-man: | I guess that is not dell's fault |
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| [04:23:03] | k-man: | why does hitting the Reload theme jump point forget which screen you are on and puts you back at the top level menu? |
| [04:24:19] | k-man: | I'm guessing it's technically difficult to do that? |
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| [06:31:18] | justinh: | k-man: likely much harder than just reloading. I don't find it takes me long to get back to where I was looking at – plus it's easier than exiting |
| [06:31:44] | justinh: | besides it'd be a lot more work for a feature very few people would ever use |
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| [06:37:08] | justinh: | iamlindoro: MythW*nkBank ! |
| [06:37:26] | justinh: | the adult entertainment plugin for MythTV :) |
| [06:37:47] | justinh: | we should have more exclamation marks in plugin names |
| [06:40:46] | justinh: | hmmm. seems my image library has been lost. Or rather *not* lost just not copied from a machine which is all wrapped up in my attic. Boo |
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| [06:49:36] | k-man: | justinh, no, it's certainly not the end of the world, I was just curious as to why |
| [06:50:47] | justinh: | I've run into a few things that made me wish for a theme testing tool lately |
| [06:51:12] | justinh: | I wouldn't theme mytharchive without one. I'm not even going *near* that plugin |
| [06:51:55] | k-man: | hehe |
| [06:52:16] | k-man: | it would be cool to have a tool like firebug in firefox for mythtv themes |
| [06:52:52] | justinh: | you ever tried theming mytharchive? |
| [06:52:54] | k-man: | is there a mechanism in the themes to space buttons and objects relative to other items? |
| [06:53:03] | k-man: | justinh, no, not even looked at it |
| [06:53:14] | justinh: | it's no laughing matter, believe me |
| [06:53:29] | k-man: | I've only even used the plugin a few times let alone consider theming it |
| [06:53:34] | justinh: | that'd definitely be one I planned out on graph paper first |
| [06:53:40] | Beirdo: | dangit |
| [06:53:58] | Beirdo: | the mpeg2fix crap and MPEG2-TS do not seem to mix well for me |
| [06:54:04] | justinh: | k-man: no there's no way to space stuff apart other than buttonlist items relative to one another |
| [06:54:15] | Beirdo: | alll my testing last night was with -PS |
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| [06:54:50] | justinh: | Beirdo: ouchies |
| [06:54:52] | k-man: | justinh, ok, thanks. i've been using TemplateToolkit to help with the spacing thing |
| [06:55:42] | justinh: | I find it easy enough to do it on the fly. All my main text & buttons are in areas 40px high :) |
| [06:56:07] | Beirdo: | I have been trying all night to get TS file through it |
| [06:56:11] | Beirdo: | no luck |
| [06:56:15] | Beirdo: | so far |
| [06:56:35] | Beirdo: | no wonder people were whining bout DVB captures if this is how it is |
| [06:57:03] | justinh: | k-man: first item say at 140px, so you know the next one is 190px (10px spacing) – then the next at 240px .. etc |
| [06:57:46] | justinh: | Beirdo: I generally don't have any trouble losslessly cutting DVB recordings but when I do, nothing can fix em apart from projectx |
| [06:58:10] | justinh: | never had one yet that iamlindoro's script couldn't fettle though |
| [06:58:38] | justinh: | the ones I've had bother with in the past were pretty shot – but they were before the script |
| [06:59:09] | justinh: | what was the name of that utility I used to use to turn TS into PS? Hmmm |
| [06:59:19] | Beirdo: | well, I'm trying to get the mpeg2fix nonsense behaving |
| [06:59:32] | Beirdo: | I ahve it seemingly working perfectly for my PS |
| [06:59:43] | Beirdo: | but far from it with OTA TS :) |
| [07:00:33] | Beirdo: | nothing a bit of persistance likely won't fix |
| [07:02:50] | justinh: | bah. I know it wasn't tmpgenc or whatever.. arghhh this is really bugging me now |
| [07:03:10] | justinh: | aha! PVAStrumento! |
| [07:03:10] | Beirdo: | likely replex or something like that? |
| [07:04:02] | justinh: | bah it's not GPL.. or even open. Just 'free' |
| [07:04:17] | Beirdo: | what is it with idiots honking horns to get someone to come out of an apartment building... at midnight? |
| [07:04:22] | Beirdo: | get a life! |
| [07:04:41] | Beirdo: | and a cellphone, you inconsiderate clod. |
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| [07:10:35] | justinh: | Beirdo: so is this mpeg2fix a different thing now – such as doing a scripty thing in proper code – or have I missed the boat? |
| [07:11:04] | Beirdo: | it's the mpeg2 "lossless" transcoding in mythtranscode |
| [07:11:14] | Beirdo: | I'm de-qt3-ing it |
| [07:11:25] | justinh: | ah |
| [07:11:30] | Beirdo: | and fixing it as well, while I'm at it :) |
| [07:11:40] | k-man: | i've been slowly moving out all references to other fonts and putting in CartoGothic into MythCenter |
| [07:11:41] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
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| [07:11:49] | k-man: | and I have to say it's much nicer on they eyes |
| [07:11:50] | justinh: | I can shove a bunch of DVB samples in my dropbox if you like |
| [07:11:54] | Beirdo: | nb_fields = 3 is a valid value?!@?!@?! |
| [07:12:03] | k-man: | also getting rid of the BOLD everywhere is good too imho |
| [07:12:06] | Beirdo: | stupid libmpeg2 |
| [07:12:19] | justinh: | k-man: I think I've got everything down to about 4 different sizes/styles now |
| [07:12:25] | k-man: | justinh, nice |
| [07:12:27] | Beirdo: | justinh: sure, they may come in handy in a few days, no rush though |
| [07:12:55] | justinh: | 2 text colours & maybe 3 sizes. One for titles, then 2 main ones in black & in white – then a much smaller one |
| [07:13:26] | justinh: | coloured text really doesn't work for me, certainly not as a way to indicate the status of something |
| [07:13:34] | Beirdo: | nb_fields = 6, 4 also seem to be valid values. |
| [07:13:50] | Beirdo: | I will have to beat this thing with a hockey stick |
| [07:22:02] | k-man: | justinh, what do you prefer as a way of indicating status? |
| [07:22:16] | Beirdo: | frick |
| [07:22:31] | Beirdo: | it seems to be related to repeat_first_field |
| [07:23:09] | justinh: | k-man: images or background colours |
| [07:23:57] | k-man: | how do I turn off auto-expire? |
| [07:24:22] | justinh: | Menu > storage options.. disable autoexpire :) |
| [07:24:30] | k-man: | in be? |
| [07:24:55] | justinh: | do you mean just disable one recording from expiring to test an icon state? |
| [07:25:04] | justinh: | or do you mean globally disable it? |
| [07:25:13] | k-man: | no, I mean, on my test machine which has little hdd space, my recordings keep dissapearing |
| [07:25:22] | k-man: | I think its because they are auto expired or something |
| [07:25:32] | justinh: | yeah that'll be a backend setting |
| [07:25:40] | k-man: | in fact, thats just a guess – but why else would all my recordings just dissapear |
| [07:25:40] | justinh: | so mythtv-setup for you |
| [07:25:51] | justinh: | the log would show why |
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| [07:26:54] | justinh: | what?! there's no fanart for Archer? SCANDAL! |
| [07:27:34] | k-man: | any more clues as to where that setting is? |
| [07:27:49] | justinh: | not without running mythtv-setup myself, no |
| [07:27:55] | justinh: | it'd be in GENERAL I think |
| [07:28:22] | justinh: | aha! I was wrong! |
| [07:28:33] | justinh: | it's in mythfrontend. utils/setup > setup > tv > general |
| [07:29:06] | k-man: | ah, thanks |
| [07:30:19] | justinh: | bugger. I just said I was wrong in a logged channel. OH NOES! |
| [07:30:35] | Beirdo: | google will remind us all later |
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| [07:31:45] | k-man: | I don't have that section afaict |
| [07:31:56] | justinh: | was reading about G+'s policy on 'real names' earlier. I actually found myself nodding in agreement to one of their arguments about it being better for keeping trolls at bay – it's a nice idea but I don't really buy that it's all about that |
| [07:32:02] | k-man: | setup/general I have |
| [07:32:12] | justinh: | no. TV -> general |
| [07:32:23] | k-man: | I don't have a TV option that I can see |
| [07:32:37] | justinh: | oh. what menu theme do you use? |
| [07:32:44] | k-man: | standard |
| [07:33:10] | k-man: | Default |
| [07:33:31] | justinh: | you running -fixes? |
| [07:33:39] | k-man: | no, master |
| [07:34:06] | justinh: | ah then it might have been moved |
| [07:34:45] | k-man: | I ahve to go |
| [07:34:47] | k-man: | ttyl |
| [07:35:19] | justinh: | heh after thinking about this kinda stuff for a sec I'm now wondering why some settings have to be moved *out* of the frontend rather than the other way around |
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| [07:44:47] | Beirdo: | what a royal pain in my arse |
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| [07:53:20] | justinh: | ah checkboxes my old nemesis |
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| [08:23:20] | deegan: | It would be supernice if there was a feature to check signalstrength in the frontend, like you see in most setop boxes. Of course there are a ton of things to consider before starting a branch with that functionality. |
| [08:24:18] | deegan: | The "storm" a few days ago seems to have moved my dish a tinsy bit and now some HD-channels are reporting 78% signal strength in the OSD, normal is like 87%. |
| [08:24:50] | Beirdo: | a battle for another night. |
| [08:25:05] | Beirdo: | I go to bed |
| [08:25:10] | deegan: | sleep tight. |
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| [08:39:56] | justinh: | just had a little trip to our other office a few miles away to deliver a monitor but what I saw on the way out was priceless. A black lotus, owned (and driven) by our racing driving CEO spun around the corner, did almost a 180 degree slide.. and stalled. Made my day |
| [08:40:05] | justinh: | took him 3 attempts to restart it. Ha |
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| [08:55:01] | grumpydevil: | UK has some car buffs :) |
| [08:58:40] | justinh: | it was funny cos a) it was the CEO spinning out and b) he's allegedly a racing driver |
| [09:00:39] | deegan: | self proclaimed? :) |
| [09:01:08] | justinh: | he finances the team, so I guess so |
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| [09:15:59] | justinh: | I should really bookmark the mythui wiki pages |
| [09:16:14] | bankai_: | got a problem with mythfrontend on FreeBSD – playing really really fast. Seems this is usually a video/audio sync proper, but every combo i try in player settings gives me the same results. Any ideas how to fix this? |
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| [09:16:43] | justinh: | use linux, he says facetiously |
| [09:17:10] | justinh: | what on Earth is a 'half' checked checkbox? It's either checked or it's not, isn't it? |
| [09:28:18] | laga: | justinh: might be default state |
| [09:28:23] | laga: | or greyed out? |
| [09:29:06] | justinh: | I dunno, I've always considered tickboxes, checkboxes to represent binary states |
| [09:31:34] | justinh: | looking in the source for clues |
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| [09:41:19] | bankai_: | just for the record, i fixed my fast playing problem |
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| [09:41:32] | bankai_: | and not with linux, thankyou justinh :P |
| [09:41:47] | bankai_: | turns out mythtv wasn't using an audio device – it was set to NONE for some reason |
| [09:41:58] | bankai_: | so i manually wacked in a device and a mixer and it fixed up the sync problem |
| [09:42:27] | bankai_: | can someone tell me if this channel is logged somewhere indexed by google, if not i'll blog this fix somewhere |
| [09:43:17] | justinh: | arghh please don't blog |
| [09:43:24] | justinh: | put it in the wiki if anywhere |
| [09:43:37] | justinh: | and yes this channel *is* logged but people are useless at searching :) |
| [09:43:39] | bankai_: | blog, log, wiki – it's all the same |
| [09:43:44] | bankai_: | tah |
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| [09:43:55] | justinh: | bah |
| [09:44:35] | justinh: | how long did it take for us to get over the problems caused by one man's 'learned' blog on 'how to best install mythtv' ? |
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| [10:08:07] | hashbang: | justinh: what 'learned' blog was that? |
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| [10:17:23] | justinh: | hashbang: abarbaccia.org – was great for a while but when it became outdated upon a new distro rollout it all kinda went pearshaped quickly |
| [10:17:37] | justinh: | I think it was that or parker1.co.uk |
| [10:17:45] | justinh: | anyway, blogs are bad m'kay |
| [10:17:58] | justinh: | bad as sources of 'how-to' information anyway |
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| [11:30:55] | ahughes: | this is a great deal for the keyboard alone... http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Companion-Goog . . . p/B0040QE98O |
| [11:31:35] | justinh: | they're gonna get a whole lot cheaper soon |
| [11:32:34] | justinh: | anyway I don't want no steenkin googleTV product when it can't even play MPEG2 |
| [11:32:43] | justinh: | yes, ORLY |
| [11:32:59] | justinh: | well it's either can't or won't. Whatever. No use to me |
| [11:33:32] | ahughes: | I can't believe that google tv after all this time, does not actuall let you watch TV. |
| [11:34:14] | justinh: | rights management, guarantee of bandwidth issues.. geographical border issues... |
| [11:34:58] | ahughes: | I got one of these cheap az tuners on the way to test out... http://www.dealextreme.com/p/dvb-t-digital-tv . . . ntenna-57201 |
| [11:35:25] | justinh: | hope you don't mind patching driver code yourself ;) |
| [11:35:47] | ahughes: | Never done it but Im a programmer by trade. |
| [11:36:02] | justinh: | you might very well have to is all I'm saying |
| [11:36:40] | ahughes: | yeah, I screwed then heeehehe |
| [11:38:18] | justinh: | you may not be |
| [11:38:29] | justinh: | it's all down to Lady Luck |
| [11:38:30] | justinh: | ;) |
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| [11:45:56] | rileyp: | hi all Id like to enable true dolby hd sound Is there a patch or repo to enable it in o.24? |
| [11:49:45] | ahughes: | justinh, any idea where I might find a driver for it.... comment says.... It's an "ITE Technologies, Inc. DVB-T TV Stick" (idVendor=048d, idProduct=9006) which is compatible with the IT9135 drivers currently available. |
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| [11:59:33] | wagnerrp: | !url tuners |
| [11:59:33] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [11:59:48] | wagnerrp: | oops, he left |
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| [12:05:21] | rileyp: | but I havent... |
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| [12:06:05] | rileyp: | i take it after ggogling if Im running 0.24 fixes I should have true hd audio support |
| [12:06:45] | rileyp: | It seem I havent got the seperate audio menu |
| [12:06:57] | wagnerrp: | assuming you have a compliant sound card |
| [12:08:44] | rileyp: | well I have an ion2 syuem and a yamaha 665 receiver that comes up in dmesg with HDMI: supports coding type DTS-HD: channels = 8, rates = 88200 192000 |
| [12:09:25] | wagnerrp: | there have actually been mixed reports over whether the ION2 can actually do DTS-HD |
| [12:09:49] | wagnerrp: | most accounts say nVidia did not get support for such until the 4xx series |
| [12:10:42] | wagnerrp: | which is why the guy who rewrote the audio has been recommending GT430s for people who want HD audio |
| [12:11:54] | rileyp: | but myths comes up with enc(0), passthru(1), canAC3(1), canDTS(1), canLPCM(1), configured_channels(8), 6 channels supported(1) |
| [12:12:02] | rileyp: | is that jya? |
| [12:12:11] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [12:12:46] | rileyp: | and it says hbr in /proc/asound/cardinf is it? |
| [12:13:02] | wagnerrp: | honestly, i dont know |
| [12:13:05] | rileyp: | Ill recofirm |
| [12:13:06] | wagnerrp: | im still using analog audio |
| [12:15:09] | rileyp: | The confusing thing for me is I added the jya repo to one natty machine and I get a seperate audio menu in the setting menu and audio config isnt under general and on my other system I dont get that menu? |
| [12:15:38] | rileyp: | and I have teh jya repo on both machines |
| [12:15:58] | rileyp: | I suppose I should look at the version on each |
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| [12:32:42] | johnf1911: | quick hdpvr question |
| [12:32:47] | johnf1911: | how stable is IR blasting |
| [12:32:51] | johnf1911: | with the in kernel support |
| [12:33:17] | johnf1911: | say with 2.6.39–3, as packaged by ubuntu? |
| [12:33:21] | johnf1911: | anyone able to comment? |
| [12:35:40] | justinh: | if anybody is I'm sure they will, but maybe this isn't the best time of day to catch HD-PVR users |
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| [12:39:47] | johnf1911: | it's not like I'm going anywhere |
| [12:39:55] | johnf1911: | and time of day varies about the globe :) |
| [12:40:11] | johnf1911: | though I will admit it is more of a north american solution |
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| [12:40:17] | johnf1911: | due to our lack of proper DVB :( |
| [12:40:58] | k-man: | are channel icons a fe or be thing? |
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| [12:41:20] | justinh: | k-man: frontend. I dunno if support has been added for them to be in a storage group yet |
| [12:41:34] | k-man: | justinh, ok, thanks |
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| [12:42:01] | k-man: | so... how do I set them up? (shepherd usually does it for me) |
| [12:42:20] | k-man: | I suppose I could google it |
| [12:42:48] | justinh: | I put mine on the backend but AFAIK they don't just appear on the frontend by magic |
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| [12:43:28] | justinh: | or maybe they *are* streamed. I can never remember |
| [12:43:40] | justinh: | they're not in their own SG I know that much |
| [12:43:49] | justinh: | (now) http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7247 |
| [12:45:00] | justinh: | hmm they're all in /home/mythtv/.mythtv/channels on my backend & yet my frontend can find em just fine – but then I've probably also got em in a share somehow |
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| [12:45:42] | justinh: | ls /myth/icons -al |
| [12:45:45] | justinh: | oops |
| [12:45:45] | k-man: | well, they are not showing up on my remote fe, but they work on my combined fe/be |
| [12:47:20] | justinh: | nope they're not on the share as such. maybe I copied em over to the remote FE |
| [12:47:58] | k-man: | justinh, this is interesting – I see the TV Settings option on my mythtv setup here, which is running .24 fixes |
| [12:49:01] | justinh: | just check you've not got mixed versions there |
| [12:49:10] | justinh: | I ran into that recently. it's *very* annoying |
| [12:49:33] | k-man: | justinh, highly unlikely as I installed on a clean machine using git |
| [12:49:38] | k-man: | but I'll check |
| [12:50:29] | k-man: | so, are the channel icon locations stored per fe? or they have to be in the same place on all fes? |
| [12:50:56] | justinh: | dunno. I'd have to look in the code to find out |
| [12:52:30] | wagnerrp: | johnf1911: we have ATSC and QAM, i dont see how that is 'less proper' than DVB |
| [12:52:36] | k-man: | well, afaict by looking at the db, that is the case |
| [12:53:38] | wagnerrp: | especially considering were the first with a nationwide rollout |
| [12:54:03] | jya: | wagnerrp: ion2 can do HBR |
| [12:56:13] | wagnerrp: | ah, page does say it works |
| [12:57:05] | wagnerrp: | its the GT220 with varying reports |
| [12:58:14] | johnf1911: | wagnerrp: there's no or minimal unencrypted content |
| [12:58:23] | johnf1911: | none here in Canada |
| [12:58:37] | johnf1911: | ATSC is good though |
| [12:58:40] | johnf1911: | QAM, less so |
| [12:59:03] | johnf1911: | at least in theory DVB makes it easier to get cable/satellite content in perfect provider streams |
| [12:59:05] | wagnerrp: | depends entirely on your privider |
| [12:59:09] | wagnerrp: | provider |
| [12:59:26] | wagnerrp: | over here, providers can choose to put content in the clear |
| [12:59:37] | johnf1911: | they can choose to here, they just don't |
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| [12:59:54] | johnf1911: | and there is no equiv to the FCC ruling about OTA content being clear on QAM |
| [12:59:57] | wagnerrp: | they can choose to put content encrypted by copy freely, in which case you can use it with a HDHomeRun Prime or InfiniTV |
| [13:00:15] | johnf1911: | we don't have cable card either, sadly |
| [13:00:17] | wagnerrp: | over there, youve got stuff like Sky which offers no means of tuning |
| [13:01:02] | wagnerrp: | youve got other providers who dont offer CAMs and smart cards for DVB-C cards |
| [13:01:26] | wagnerrp: | you have more that are using CI+ which simply dont have any tuner card support |
| [13:01:52] | wagnerrp: | CI+ is a full DRM implementation, as opposed to CI which is standard conditional access |
| [13:02:01] | wagnerrp: | which puts them in the same boat as us |
| [13:02:11] | k-man: | with channel icons, is it possible to show only the icon, unless icon is missing, then show text, in the guide? |
| [13:04:33] | johnf1911: | wagnerrp: it's always easiest to imagine the grass being greener on the other side of the fence^Watlantic |
| [13:05:44] | wagnerrp: | (at least in the US) over here, the grass is getting greener |
| [13:06:06] | wagnerrp: | while over there, more are transitioning to CI+ and killing the grass |
| [13:08:18] | k-man: | I'm having some problems getting my theme to recognise cartogothic on my mac.. have a look at this bit of the log: http://pastie.org/2308927 |
| [13:08:39] | k-man: | this exact version of the theme works perfectly on my linux testing machine |
| [13:10:08] | sphery: | k-man: that's 0.24-fixes? Please run with -v gui,file,extra to get the font name |
| [13:10:18] | sphery: | the face name, that is |
| [13:10:39] | k-man: | sphery, on my mac, it is fixes, on the linux box its from master |
| [13:10:48] | k-man: | ok hang on |
| [13:12:46] | k-man: | http://pastie.org/2308951 |
| [13:12:49] | sphery: | heh, "[mythtv-users] Best all around analog and clear QAM tuner"... I think the answer is, HVR-1600, which is the one he's wanting to replace because "it's tough to get working"... |
| [13:13:20] | sphery: | Looks like you want: 2011-08–02 23:11:09.820 MythFontManager: In file '/Users/jason/.mythtv/themes/MythCenterNew/CartoGothicStd-Book.otf', found font(s) 'CartoGothic Std Book' |
| [13:13:41] | k-man: | sphery, yes, so it appears to be appending the weight to the name? |
| [13:14:05] | sphery: | likely CartoGothic Std is close enough for the Linux font-matching algorithm, but not for the Mac OS X one? |
| [13:14:13] | sphery: | yeah... must be |
| [13:14:21] | k-man: | hmm... ok, ill try anyway |
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| [13:17:10] | wagnerrp: | swedish male arrested after contating the national radiation authority for permission to construct a nuclear reactor |
| [13:17:32] | sphery: | heh |
| [13:17:54] | k-man: | arrested for asking permission? |
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| [13:18:02] | k-man: | cripes |
| [13:18:14] | k-man: | bring on the thought police |
| [13:18:33] | wagnerrp: | apparently he had acquired a 'significant amount of nuclear material' through mail order and old smoke detectors |
| [13:18:45] | k-man: | hehe |
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| [13:21:13] | sphery: | didn't someone over here contaminate a neighborhood trying to do that also with smoke detectors (and doing it all wrong) |
| [13:21:19] | wagnerrp: | seems he was arrested, but released without charge when there was no significant amount of radiation detected |
| [13:21:37] | wagnerrp: | the 'nuclear boy scout' |
| [13:22:01] | wagnerrp: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hahn |
| [13:22:37] | sphery: | yeah |
| [13:22:51] | sphery: | definitely not something I want random people to be doing in random locations |
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| [13:22:59] | wagnerrp: | seems it was primarily thorium, recovered from camping lanterns |
| [13:23:06] | sphery: | ah, ok |
| [13:24:13] | sphery: | heh, In 2011 movie Source Code, the antagonist is based on David Hahn. |
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| [13:25:00] | wagnerrp: | apparently gas lantern mantles are laced with throium due to desirable emission spectrum |
| [13:27:15] | sphery: | Hahn had hoped to pursue a nuclear specialist career. EPA scientists believe that Hahn may have exceeded the lifetime dosage for thorium exposure, but he refused their recommendation that he be examined at the Enrico Fermi Nuclear Generating Station. |
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| [13:29:27] | wagnerrp: | heh, apparently he tried again a couple years ago |
| [13:29:57] | wagnerrp: | was arrested for the theft of several smoke detectors, and was treated for severe radiation exposure |
| [13:30:43] | wagnerrp: | ill give you one guess what will eventually end up killing him |
| [13:31:50] | sphery: | falling off a ladder while trying to remove a smoke detector? |
| [13:31:52] | stuartm: | thorium reactors are the safest reactor design so-far developed, several orders of magnitude safer than the uranium light-water reactors |
| [13:32:16] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i was going to say choke on a ham sandwich |
| [13:32:21] | sphery: | heh |
| [13:32:30] | sphery: | Not much time... Must finish ham! |
| [13:35:14] | stuartm: | many people hope they will actually make reactors ubiquitous with much smaller, local generators sited in urban environments vs large scale power stations requiring a massive infrastructure |
| [13:35:18] | stuartm: | which is kind of cool |
| [13:35:59] | wagnerrp: | thats bananas |
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| [13:37:03] | wagnerrp: | (build absolutely nothing anywhere near anyone) |
| [13:38:56] | stuartm: | apparently although Thorium reactors were safer, cheaper and produced considerably less nasty by-products it was actually that last part which meant that western government ignored the design, they wanted uranium reactors for the plutonium they produced |
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| [13:40:24] | stuartm: | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/am . . . thorium.html |
| [13:40:56] | k-man: | how do you make sure the OSD gets the right aspect ratio? |
| [13:41:23] | sphery: | in theory, if X is configured properly and you don't have any aspect ratio override set in MythTV, it will just work |
| [13:41:24] | stuartm: | ? |
| [13:41:25] | k-man: | I have a circular logo in the OSD and it comes out oval |
| [13:41:37] | k-man: | and the logs say OSD: Scaling factors: 0.9x0.96 |
| [13:41:38] | sphery: | most people tend to break it with aspect ratio overrides they set |
| [13:41:39] | stuartm: | k-man: which video renderer? |
| [13:41:49] | sphery: | which tells MythTV to treat /all/ video as a specific resolution |
| [13:41:50] | k-man: | err... software |
| [13:41:57] | sphery: | oh, yeah, Xv, too |
| [13:42:03] | k-man: | on a mac |
| [13:42:47] | sphery: | if you have a 16:9 video on a 4:3 screen, OSD will get stretched in Xv; or a 4:3 video in a 16:9 screen, OSD will get squished |
| [13:42:49] | stuartm: | k-man: right, we can't maintain the correct aspect ratio with Xv (or other software rendering), it's a limitation of the method |
| [13:43:09] | sphery: | yeah, since it draws the OSD on the video, then lets the video card scale it |
| [13:43:15] | stuartm: | you need to use OpenGL, VDPAU etc to see the OSD at the correct resolution/aspect-ratio |
| [13:43:26] | k-man: | ok |
| [13:43:32] | k-man: | thanks |
| [13:44:17] | k-man: | this is weird. I set the gui size explicitly to 800x600 |
| [13:44:19] | stuartm: | the resolution bothers me more than the aspect-ratio, seeing that beautiful 1920x1080 OSD squashed to 720x576 :( |
| [13:44:51] | k-man: | but in the setup wizard, if I move the bottom right corner to be visible in the window, it says its at 700x500 |
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| [13:48:32] | justinh: | grrr |
| [13:48:58] | justinh: | you can't use the setup wizard if you're already running the frontend at a given geometry |
| [13:49:16] | justinh: | you need to *reset* it so the values can apply properly |
| [13:49:31] | k-man: | oh |
| [13:49:35] | justinh: | I couldn't think of a better/easier way to do it, and apparently nobody else has yet either |
| [13:50:22] | justinh: | it's partly to do with the fact that mythui can't draw outside the window ;) |
| [13:51:20] | stuartm: | nothing can draw outside the window it's sitting it ;) |
| [13:52:12] | k-man: | ah, I think I get it |
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| [13:58:26] | k-man: | hmmm – well apparantly mythtv does not like the mythcenter osd.xml : XMLParseBase, Error: No theme file /Users/jason/.mythtv/themes/MythCenterNew/osd.xml |
| [13:58:38] | k-man: | how do I work out what it does not like about it? |
| [13:58:56] | justinh: | mythfrontend -v gui,extra :) |
| [13:59:18] | justinh: | do you mention the osd in themeinfo.xml too? You should, if not |
| [14:00:25] | k-man: | no, its not mentioned in there |
| [14:01:12] | justinh: | I think it has to be. not sure. I've not started my OSD yet. I happen to like whatever it falls back to if there isn't one in the theme |
| [14:02:23] | justinh: | mind, if it takes as long to develop as this theme has there'll be little point. I don't know what I'll be using in 2 years time :P |
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| [14:06:45] | k-man: | added it, still get that error, which is only visible with -v gui,file,extra |
| [14:06:51] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, thanks for sending the link to the other thread about threading to raptor (the non-threading made reading that thread painful) |
| [14:07:13] | k-man: | anyway |
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| [14:07:18] | k-man: | I'm off to bed |
| [14:07:19] | k-man: | night al |
| [14:07:35] | sphery: | k-man: also check permissions on the file |
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| [14:48:53] | justinh: | damn you wikipedia! The entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berg_connector is wrong! |
| [14:49:06] | justinh: | floppy power connectors are 2.5mm pitch not 0.1" (2.54mm) |
| [14:56:03] | wagnerrp: | stuartm, justinh: well thats the problem, the screen setup wizard should be drawn completely outside the existing UI context |
| [14:56:23] | wagnerrp: | although saying that, i have no idea how difficult that would be in the current code |
| [14:57:40] | wagnerrp: | justinh: a connector, manufactured by a company in missouri, for use in computers made by another company in new york.... is metric? |
| [14:58:12] | stuartm: | or people should just stop using old CRT screens which overscan and have no built-in correction mechanism |
| [14:59:00] | stuartm: | </devil's advocate> |
| [14:59:16] | wagnerrp: | nice thought, but most digital displays overscan too |
| [14:59:30] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: really? I've yet to see one that does |
| [14:59:51] | stuartm: | and wtf .... |
| [14:59:52] | wagnerrp: | computer monitors dont, televisions do |
| [15:00:04] | wagnerrp: | because manufacturers are retarded |
| [15:00:25] | wagnerrp: | not to mention the fact that almost no 720p displays are actually 720p |
| [15:00:35] | wagnerrp: | theyre really something like 1366x768 |
| [15:00:48] | wagnerrp: | and if you feed them that resolution, they will overscan |
| [15:01:04] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: I'm referring to TVs, I've not seen a single overscanning HD TV before now, although it's not as though I hang out in electrical stores looking at all the models on offer |
| [15:01:29] | wagnerrp: | both HDTVs ive owned overscan |
| [15:01:31] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: right, mine is 1366x768, but it doesn't overscan |
| [15:01:44] | wagnerrp: | a 26" Samsung and a 42" Vizio |
| [15:04:10] | sphery: | many will overscan TV inputs and underscan computer inputs |
| [15:04:25] | stuartm: | 32" Sony here, and the 40" Samsung I used for two weeks on holiday didn't overscan either |
| [15:04:50] | sphery: | so it's hard to guess from observation what's going on "under the hood" |
| [15:05:18] | stuartm: | well I'll accept that there are sets out there that do over/underscan, I withhold the right to say that's f**ked up |
| [15:05:34] | wagnerrp: | oh, ill agree completely with that latter part |
| [15:05:57] | sphery: | but we can't let the user see the ugly edges the broadcaster leaves in place or they'll think their tv is broken! |
| [15:06:13] | wagnerrp: | why do broadcasters leave in ugly edges? |
| [15:06:14] | stuartm: | sphery: they don't leave those ugly edges here in the UK ... |
| [15:06:24] | stuartm: | that's an analogue thing |
| [15:06:40] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: when they broadcast 480i over digital, you often see those |
| [15:06:45] | sphery: | yep |
| [15:06:49] | wagnerrp: | because they dont bother to spend the time cleaning it up |
| [15:07:06] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: hmm, so maybe this is more of an ATSC thing |
| [15:07:25] | wagnerrp: | no, its a lazy f**king broadcast engineer thing |
| [15:09:00] | stuartm: | the way things are organised over there with all those hundreds/thousands of affiliates etc, it's probably harder to get broadcasters to sort out their act? |
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| [15:35:06] | ThisNewGuy: | iamlindoro: can I convince you to increase the levenshtein distance from 3 to 4 so you can account for "Black Album" vs. "The Black Album" in ttvdb.py? |
| [15:35:55] | wagnerrp: | id rather see special handling and ignorance of starting pronouns |
| [15:36:20] | wagnerrp: | similar to how ive got part numbers set up |
| [15:37:03] | wagnerrp: | default distance is 3, but it will strip ' (<n>)' from the end and recompute |
| [15:37:55] | ThisNewGuy: | wagnerrp: in this case – the full subtitle is: "Metallica (The Black Album)" ("the" is in the middle) |
| [15:38:49] | wagnerrp: | what's the title? |
| [15:38:54] | ThisNewGuy: | I also have a case of "Hot for lawyer" vs. "Hot for the lawyer" |
| [15:39:07] | ThisNewGuy: | classic albums is the show title |
| [15:39:42] | wagnerrp: | and thats actually a functional show on thetvdb? |
| [15:39:46] | ThisNewGuy: | argh – I got that wrong it's: "Metallica: Metallica (The black album)" |
| [15:39:50] | ThisNewGuy: | yes |
| [15:40:07] | wagnerrp: | oh, its a BBC series |
| [15:40:12] | wagnerrp: | funky |
| [15:40:22] | ThisNewGuy: | ttvdb.py -l en -N 80133 "Metallica: Metallica (The Black Album)" |
| [15:40:31] | ThisNewGuy: | it's a pretty cool series |
| [15:40:52] | ThisNewGuy: | the other show is "Hot in Cleveland" which is less cool |
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| [16:27:30] | new_tolinux: | hi, I have a pinnacle pctv card (analog) and it's working in tvtime, but in mythtv (mythbuntu 10.04) it doesn't fetch any channels |
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| [16:28:03] | new_tolinux: | I had the card working in 9.04 about 2 years ago, but since 9.04 isn't supported anymore, I guess that's no option |
| [16:28:39] | wagnerrp: | european? scanning of PAL channels should work |
| [16:28:42] | new_tolinux: | afaik it's set up correctly: v4l / PAL-BG / europe-west |
| [16:29:01] | new_tolinux: | I'm from holland |
| [16:29:09] | wagnerrp: | yeah, your IP said as much |
| [16:29:12] | tim_: | hello! I am having a bit of trouble I am trying to make my rom directory for my mythbuntu diskless to be that on the backend frontend rom directory. Any idea on how to do that? |
| [16:29:35] | wagnerrp: | probably want to try #ubuntu or maybe #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [16:29:44] | wagnerrp: | thats more of a distro problem than a mythtv one |
| [16:29:48] | tim_: | awesome thanks wagnerrp <3 |
| [16:29:59] | new_tolinux: | I am in #ubuntu-mythtv, but I was told to look here |
| [16:30:09] | wagnerrp: | i meant tim_ |
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| [16:30:26] | new_tolinux: | ah ok |
| [16:30:34] | wagnerrp: | setting up a read-only filesystem for a shared NFS boot is a distro problem, not a mythtv one |
| [16:30:55] | new_tolinux: | that's right |
| [16:31:10] | wagnerrp: | honestly, we dont scan analog over here |
| [16:31:22] | wagnerrp: | we just pull channels from our scheduling data provider |
| [16:32:16] | new_tolinux: | well, I only have analog..... and I know it's working, since tvtime does it, and it was working before in 9.04.... although, new pc and it doesn't work anymore seems |
| [16:32:31] | new_tolinux: | I just don't know anymore what I did in 9.04 |
| [16:32:37] | wagnerrp: | are you running the stock unstable myth that comes with 10.04? |
| [16:32:46] | wagnerrp: | or have you updated to their stable PPAs? |
| [16:33:17] | new_tolinux: | I am running 10.04 from the cd, didn't do any updates yet, since I read that some updates would break mythtv live anyway |
| [16:33:31] | new_tolinux: | also, a clean install |
| [16:33:33] | wagnerrp: | oh? ive not heard anything about that |
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| [16:33:46] | wagnerrp: | in any case, the version of mythtv that comes with 10.04 is unstable and should not be used |
| [16:33:59] | new_tolinux: | aha... and what then to use? |
| [16:34:08] | wagnerrp: | mythbuntu's PPAs |
| [16:34:11] | wagnerrp: | enable them and update |
| [16:34:29] | new_tolinux: | that means doing an 11.04 install? or a mythdora install? |
| [16:34:55] | wagnerrp: | that means taking your 10.04, enabling the mythbuntu PPAs, and running auto-update |
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| [16:35:09] | wagnerrp: | ive never used ubuntu, i really dont have any more information besides that |
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| [16:35:40] | new_tolinux: | hmm.... ok, then I'll search around to find the mythbuntu PPAs |
| [16:35:50] | tgm4883: | *cough* http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos *cough* |
| [16:40:49] | new_tolinux: | well, I guess that will keep me busy for a while.... together with the 10.04-repos it brought me 296 updates |
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| [17:43:48] | new_tolinux: | ok, did all the updates, tvtime still working, mythv still not finding any channels |
| [17:45:01] | new_tolinux: | do I need to use a newer version of mythtv? at the moment it's using 0.23+daily-fixes, but I see that I also can choose 0.23.1, 0.24.x or 0.25 |
| [17:45:33] | sphery: | 0.24.x is the currently-supported version |
| [17:45:44] | sphery: | and, IMHO, much more stable than 0.23.x |
| [17:45:46] | new_tolinux: | and that will work in 10.04? |
| [17:45:56] | new_tolinux: | or do I need to go to 11.04 first? |
| [17:45:58] | sphery: | (and has some pretty significant channel scanning fixes) |
| [17:46:32] | sphery: | I don't know my *buntu, but I'd guess that if http://mythbuntu.org/repos offers you 0.24.x on your *buntu, it would work |
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| [17:47:36] | new_tolinux: | hmmz, I'm not sure where it's offered.... I saw that option in the "Mythbuntu Control Centre", so I put it at 0.24.x for now and run the updater again |
| [17:48:22] | sphery: | that sounds right to someone who knows nothing about *buntu :) |
| [17:48:32] | new_tolinux: | lol |
| [17:49:41] | new_tolinux: | you aren't running mythtv? or are you using mythdora? |
| [17:51:56] | new_tolinux: | for me mythbuntu was more or less the first try.... since I run ubuntu on multiple pc's here.... although, this particular one should just display TV and record/convert, so I guess it doesn't really matter which linux flavour it runs on |
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| [17:52:24] | sphery: | I'm a dev who's testing patches and such, so I compile my own MythTV install |
| [17:52:54] | new_tolinux: | ah, well, I guess I better leave that to you ;) |
| [17:53:05] | sphery: | heh |
| [17:53:42] | sphery: | alex--: see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Packages |
| [17:53:42] | new_tolinux: | I can get it running, at least most of the times, and I can fool around a bit with shell/php-scripts.... but I guess that's where it ends |
| [17:53:52] | alex--: | thx |
| [17:53:59] | alex--: | it requires a mysql server, why? |
| [17:54:02] | sphery: | well, we are working to make it easier to set up |
| [17:54:29] | new_tolinux: | the last time I really wrote a program was way back in the old MS-DOS-days |
| [17:54:50] | sphery: | alex--: all storage of settings and metadata (data except images and videos and music) is stored in a network-accessible database, allowing us to easily create a networked PVR |
| [17:54:50] | new_tolinux: | I never cought up with the newer languages |
| [17:55:03] | sphery: | alex--: might also want to check out http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview |
| [17:56:06] | sphery: | new_tolinux: fwiw, your choice to go with Mythbuntu was an excellent choice. It is, IMHO, the best way to get started--and, especially for people who use unmodified MythTV code, to continue using MythTV. |
| [17:56:46] | new_tolinux: | well, at least I know it was working, about 2 years ago I had it running with 9.04 |
| [17:58:06] | new_tolinux: | but I guess it needed some updates or other tweaking, and since 9.04 isn't supported anymore, it didn't work out-of-the-box yesterday.... |
| [17:58:23] | new_tolinux: | and I guess that I never made notes about what I did *oops* |
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| [17:59:40] | sphery: | Yeah, the mythbuntu packagers do a great job of keeping up with mythtv development and adjusting their packages to take advantage of changes in our codebase... I would be using Mythbuntu if I weren't messing with MythTV internals. |
| [18:00:17] | sphery: | and, in reality, notes from 9.04 wouldn't necessarily help too much with 10.04 or beyond--a lot of stuff changes between releases |
| [18:00:55] | sphery: | so "rediscovering" how to do stuff isn't really a bad approach |
| [18:02:11] | new_tolinux: | hmm.... it would probably give me at least a few hints where to start..... since I more or less guess that the actual problem isn't with mythtv or the card, but with mythtv using the card |
| [18:05:41] | new_tolinux: | ok.... a lot of "Added Channel europe-west ..." and at the end a warning "Failed to find any new channels!" |
| [18:08:20] | new_tolinux: | and in the front-end just a whole lot of "snow" |
| [18:12:19] | new_tolinux: | changing the card type from "Analog V4L capture card" to "IVTV MPEG-2 encoder card" as suggested earlier doesn't change anything, except that I get an error about opening a buffer |
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| [18:24:47] | wagnerrp: | new_tolinux: i think you were advised to physically change to an IVTV card |
| [18:24:52] | wagnerrp: | as in, purchase a new one |
| [18:24:57] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to using a framegrabber |
| [18:25:52] | new_tolinux: | from the other room (#ubuntu-mythtv) : (18:14:05) greg L: new_tolinux, I am not 100% sure,but I think you should be using mpeg-2 not V4L.. |
| [18:26:31] | wagnerrp: | ah, well that guy simply doesnt know what hes talking about |
| [18:27:09] | new_tolinux: | hmmz.... I know.... and he knows too, that's why he suggested me to have a look in this channel |
| [18:27:49] | new_tolinux: | but, in the end, I have a pinnacle pctv card, and it works, it only doesn't work in mythtv atm..... |
| [18:28:45] | new_tolinux: | why should I spend a lot of money on a new card, if I have a working one, which has worked with mythtv before? |
| [18:29:01] | wagnerrp: | because theyre a PITA to work with in general |
| [18:29:56] | new_tolinux: | well, I had no problems with it, until my harddrive died..... |
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| [18:33:02] | new_tolinux: | and if it wasn't for the recording-schedule, I would just stick to tvtime.... but the fact is that I actually only use it to record, since shows normally don't air on a time that I watch TV |
| [18:36:04] | new_tolinux: | in fact, that was the main reason that I changed to mythbuntu in the first place, since in w2k I had no program which I could schedule recordings with |
| [18:36:51] | new_tolinux: | and.... since the card is actually working..... it should not be that much of a hassle to get mythtv working with it either I guess |
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| [18:56:45] | wagnerrp: | new_tolinux: thing is, those were never intended to be used for recording |
| [18:56:55] | wagnerrp: | the way theyre designed, theyre intended for applications like tvtime |
| [18:57:17] | wagnerrp: | where the captured frame buffer is simply mirrored into the video buffer |
| [18:57:21] | wagnerrp: | and no processing is done at all |
| [19:02:31] | new_tolinux: | well, ok.... but the point is, it did work before, so it should work again |
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| [19:06:24] | wagnerrp: | it should work, yes |
| [19:06:33] | wagnerrp: | but the path is rife with troubles |
| [19:07:11] | new_tolinux: | I know that I did it before with 9.04, about 2 years ago, when I was really (like my name says) new_tolinux |
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| [19:07:58] | new_tolinux: | so it shouldn't give that much trouble, since I know for sure that I would not have managed it back then when it was too much trouble |
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| [19:09:44] | stuartm: | new_tolinux: we're not trying to discourage you, but the problem here will be finding someone with enough experience of using those cards, most of the world has now moved onto digital and digital cards are a lot easier to setup/use, anyone who had to use an old fashioned framegrabber in the past will have tried hard to forget the experience |
| [19:10:37] | stuartm: | the hardware doesn't get much testing with MythTV now for the same reason, meaning that it's not impossible that something has broken when it comes to scanning etc |
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| [19:11:16] | wagnerrp: | actually, analog scanning in 0.22 was broken |
| [19:11:22] | wagnerrp: | but i thought that was fixed before 0.23 |
| [19:11:27] | wagnerrp: | certainly in 0.24 |
| [19:11:48] | new_tolinux: | I don't recall which version was bundled with mythbuntu 9.04, although it could be 0.21 |
| [19:12:08] | wagnerrp: | it was |
| [19:12:37] | new_tolinux: | but like I said, it's probably not really a scanning-problem, but a problem between mythtv and that card |
| [19:13:22] | new_tolinux: | if it was just a scanning-problem, then I certainly would have more than a lot of snow |
| [19:14:07] | new_tolinux: | since it's very unlikely that every channel which get locked would produce snow, although mythtv states in the end that no channels were found, it does lock about 40 channels (maybe more) |
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| [19:46:26] | alex--: | I'm using mythBox plugin for XBMC |
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| [19:47:49] | justinh: | that's nice, dear |
| [19:47:57] | alex--: | But when I select watch TV I get an error |
| [19:48:18] | justinh: | 3rd party frontends aren't supported here |
| [19:49:59] | justinh: | if 'watch tv' works in mythfrontend then the problem is not with mythtv it's with the XBMC plugin |
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| [19:56:25] | stuartm: | alex--: #xbmc would be the place to ask, we only support official MythTV stuff, i.e. MythFrontend, MythBackend |
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| [20:13:02] | alex--: | stuartm: ok |
| [20:13:47] | justinh: | alex--: but be sure everything works in mythtv first. and if it doesn't, check your backend log.. and of course ask here |
| [20:17:26] | new_tolinux: | does one of you know something about old analog cards (pinnacle pctv)? |
| [20:18:01] | alex--: | Could not connect to the Myth Backend, is it running? |
| [20:18:19] | wagnerrp: | why are you asking us? |
| [20:18:26] | alex--: | because i dont know |
| [20:18:42] | wagnerrp: | i suppose if you give us an IP address and account, we could check for you |
| [20:18:49] | alex--: | account? |
| [20:18:52] | wagnerrp: | 'grep ps' |
| [20:18:58] | alex--: | I have windows |
| [20:18:59] | wagnerrp: | erm... 'man ps' |
| [20:19:12] | wagnerrp: | wait... you have no linux machine? |
| [20:19:19] | alex--: | no |
| [20:19:35] | wagnerrp: | how were you proposing to run mythtv? |
| [20:20:08] | wagnerrp: | mythbackend runs on linux |
| [20:20:24] | wagnerrp: | in a pinch, it can be made to run on any POSIX system with limited tuner support |
| [20:20:31] | wagnerrp: | the backend does not currently run on windows |
| [20:20:40] | wagnerrp: | only the frontend |
| [20:24:56] | justinh: | and with no mythtv backend, no mythbox plugin for XBMC will ever work |
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| [20:25:32] | wagnerrp: | s/ever work/ever have any reason to ever work/ |
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| [20:47:19] | alex--: | mythbackend can run on windows too |
| [20:47:48] | wagnerrp: | but it wont do anything |
| [20:47:50] | justinh: | not with tv tuner cards it can't |
| [20:47:52] | wagnerrp: | due to lack of tuner support |
| [20:48:26] | wagnerrp: | the most you could hope for it is a file server for storage group content |
| [20:48:42] | wagnerrp: | but thats assuming it actually has the ability to use the completely foreign filesystem format |
| [20:49:11] | justinh: | if all you're interested in doing is watching live television in XBMC mythtv is not for you. maybe try something else |
| [20:50:06] | alex--: | live television & recording in XBMC |
| [20:50:13] | alex--: | they told me i should run mythv |
| [20:50:17] | justinh: | heh |
| [20:50:24] | alex--: | the next system i'm going to install xbmc on is a linux machine |
| [20:50:25] | wagnerrp: | they didnt realize you were insistent on using windows |
| [20:50:31] | justinh: | but to use tv tuners you need linux |
| [20:50:32] | alex--: | but i'm only going to buy that system if mythtv is working |
| [20:50:35] | justinh: | (with mythtv) |
| [20:50:39] | alex--: | ah |
| [20:50:46] | wagnerrp: | you cant get mythtv working without that linux system |
| [20:50:49] | wagnerrp: | bit of a catch 22 there |
| [20:51:10] | justinh: | and no, doing it in a virtual machine is likely too hard to be worth it |
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| [20:52:58] | new_tolinux: | you don't want to do it in a virtual machine, since you've got no proper virtual card for receiving the signal.... |
| [20:53:22] | wagnerrp: | speaking of which, what tuner card do you have? |
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| [20:58:57] | wagnerrp: | WTF |
| [20:59:30] | wagnerrp: | neil cooper is a tool |
| [21:00:07] | wagnerrp: | hes complaining that there are non-US movies he owns that are on IMDB but not TMDB |
| [21:00:18] | wagnerrp: | so he is proposing we add an IMDB metadata grabber for 0.25 |
| [21:01:20] | stuartm: | riiiight |
| [21:03:29] | stuartm: | funny, when I find a film that's not on TMDB I create it ... but maybe that's because I'm community minded and I know that for every film I take the time to add, there are hundreds more being added by other volunteers like myself |
| [21:03:48] | wagnerrp: | thats because... youre not a tool |
| [21:04:03] | stuartm: | if everyone decided they couldn't be bothered, well tmdb or imdb wouldn't exist |
| [21:04:51] | justinh: | open source may not even exist |
| [21:05:06] | justinh: | but hey, at least he bothered to 'contribute' eh |
| [21:05:08] | wagnerrp: | civilization might not exist |
| [21:06:27] | justinh: | I hope he doesn't have any kids. or ever have any |
| [21:07:14] | justinh: | oh wow massively useful! the gui,extra debug is awesome |
| [21:07:51] | stuartm: | justinh: a little noisy for my tastes, which is why I moved all the image loading/caching stuff to extra |
| [21:08:01] | justinh: | stuartm: showing me how I've hammered stuff together a bit – my buttonlist area dimensions are out of whack |
| [21:08:51] | stuartm: | justinh: have you seen the layout debugging stuff? Draws the name of widgets and shows lines around their areas? |
| [21:09:26] | stuartm: | tbh I deliberately kept logging to a minimum in mythui, I went through and pulled out a bunch of it once I'd got things mostly finished/stable |
| [21:10:15] | stuartm: | justinh: it's a bindable action, TOGGLEUIDEBUG or something |
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| [21:11:34] | stuartm: | under JumpPoints, 'Toggle Show Widget Borders' and 'Toggle Show Widget Names' |
| [21:11:45] | stuartm: | or maybe that was only added after the 0.24 release |
| [21:12:03] | iamlindoro: | I seem to it recall being a bit more recent, yeah |
| [21:14:12] | stuartm: | it's all a blur ;) |
| [21:15:23] | justinh: | stuartm: ha I'd forgot all about that |
| [21:15:42] | justinh: | one for tomorrow. I'm going to bed |
| [21:15:50] | justinh: | naa night |
| [21:18:00] | sphery: | They're jump points added by https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/7c0a2 . . . 9218118b4ee5 (specifically, "Toggle Show Widget Borders" and "Toggle Show Widget Names") on Mar 5, so must be unstable, only |
| [21:18:36] | sphery: | ah, it seems I'm just repeating you all |
| [21:18:45] | sphery: | didn't notice you'd already gotten there |
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| [22:20:51] | alex--: | What is !list ?? |
| [22:21:13] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
| [22:23:02] | wagnerrp: | alex--: could we have some context to that question? |
| [22:23:35] | alex--: | wrong channel, sorry |
| [22:23:55] | wagnerrp: | sounds like youre in a channel we dont want anything to do with |
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| [22:33:38] | JEDIDIAH__: | what do you use in terms of a projection screen ial? |
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