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| [00:04:01] | k-man: | justinh, are you awake? |
| [00:05:23] | stuartm: | k-man: I hope that he's got more sense than that ;) |
| [00:05:34] | stuartm: | more sense than me at least |
| [00:13:45] | k-man: | what time zone is he in? |
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| [00:44:22] | sphery: | wagnerrp: how many weeks has Flashpoint been airing, now? I just noticed that TMS changed the category from Drama to Crime Drama so my category = custom rule wasn't matching. Changed it to the safer category != "News" (that I should have done the first time). |
| [00:44:41] | sphery: | I know I missed last week's, but I'm hoping I didn't miss much more... |
| [00:44:52] | sphery: | last week = last night |
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| [00:53:17] | sphery: | nvm... based on cbs web site, it looks like I've missed most of the season |
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| [00:54:07] | k-man: | sphery, don't they replay it multiple times? |
| [00:55:52] | Shadow__X: | k-man: if a show is popular enough yes |
| [00:58:32] | sphery: | that particular one doesn't seem to get much in the way of repeats |
| [00:58:50] | sphery: | I lost a few episodes from last season with a HDD crash, and haven't seen them re-air |
| [00:59:03] | sphery: | maybe it will get syndicated and re-air on some other channel... |
| [00:59:27] | Shadow__X: | hulu perhaps? |
| [00:59:39] | Shadow__X: | or amazon video? does that have cbs |
| [00:59:50] | sphery: | no way would I do Hulu for it |
| [00:59:54] | sphery: | I'd buy the DVDs first |
| [01:00:23] | sphery: | in general, not worth watching in Flash |
| [01:00:35] | sphery: | (you can't do Flashpoint in Flash, now!) |
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| [01:01:54] | Shadow__X: | according to wikipedia ion is airing new episodes |
| [01:01:58] | Shadow__X: | but you probably know that |
| [01:02:05] | sphery: | ooh, looking |
| [01:02:29] | sphery: | not seeing them on my ion |
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| [01:03:27] | Shadow__X: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flashpoint_%28TV_series%29 |
| [01:03:37] | sphery: | yeah, see it |
| [01:03:44] | Shadow__X: | also ion has acquired all the rights to the show so that might help in the future |
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| [01:04:08] | sphery: | looks like I missed the remainder of season 3 (which cbs aired all sorts of out of order) |
| [01:04:11] | sphery: | but, yeah: ION will also syndicate all 51 episodes of the series in the United States |
| [01:04:20] | sphery: | so I'll catch them in re-runs on ION... yay! |
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| [01:04:42] | sphery: | that's how I'm getting Burn Notice, too |
| [01:04:48] | sphery: | very happy with ION |
| [01:04:53] | Shadow__X: | yup |
| [01:04:57] | wagnerrp: | maybe... two months? |
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| [01:05:12] | wagnerrp: | sphery: blasphemy! |
| [01:05:14] | wagnerrp: | you? an ION? |
| [01:05:18] | sphery: | heh |
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| [01:05:58] | sphery: | things like this are part of the reason I'm so far behind on series... |
| [01:06:16] | sphery: | like, I can't watch Castle, yet, because I lost some eps in my HDD crash, so I'm waiting for a re-run |
| [01:06:44] | sphery: | (can't watch the recent season, that is--caught up to it) |
| [01:06:52] | Shadow__X: | what happened to the hard drive |
| [01:07:10] | sphery: | don't seem they're going to do re-runs of the important episodes this summer for me |
| [01:07:15] | sphery: | (since summer is basically over) |
| [01:07:28] | sphery: | just a generic HDD physical crash |
| [01:07:37] | wagnerrp: | theyre not episodes that made it to dvd yet? |
| [01:07:49] | sphery: | thought a fan was going out from the screaming, but it was a HDD |
| [01:08:15] | sphery: | haven't looked for dvds of castle |
| [01:08:16] | Shadow__X: | ah, did you check smart values (i know they are not a perfect way to detect failure) |
| [01:08:32] | Shadow__X: | amazone prime has castle s3 |
| [01:08:40] | sphery: | smart itself never warned me about any |
| [01:08:49] | sphery: | and I don't try to interpret values myself |
| [01:09:08] | sphery: | (this one was a seagate, and they say that tools other than seatools can't understand their smart values) |
| [01:09:16] | sphery: | i.e. that they misinterpret them |
| [01:09:39] | sphery: | in all my HDD failures, smart runs say the disk is fine until the time when the system doesn't boot |
| [01:09:45] | sphery: | then smart says the disk is bad |
| [01:09:50] | sphery: | which isn't too smart, imho |
| [01:10:32] | Shadow__X: | hmm yeah and for me i manually interpret seagate smart values as they are failing since of course they are seagate |
| [01:10:47] | k-man: | in the theme doco, in one place it says a font can be installed system wide or in the theme directory, and in another place it says the font must be installed system whide |
| [01:10:50] | k-man: | wide |
| [01:16:33] | sphery: | it can be in the theme dir |
| [01:16:39] | sphery: | please update the docs :) |
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| [02:21:26] | Shadow__X: | anyone else noticing comedy centra has been cutting a bit of programming out from futurama right before a commercial break? |
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| [02:25:28] | clever: | sphery: what about the re-allocated sector count? |
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| [02:31:18] | yates: | i'm confused btween VDPAU and PureVideo HD – can someone please clarify the difference? |
| [02:31:38] | wagnerrp: | operating system |
| [02:32:19] | yates: | wagnerrp: are you saying they are the same thing but for different operating systems? |
| [02:33:05] | wagnerrp: | for the most part |
| [02:33:27] | wagnerrp: | unofficially, we call the cards Feature Set A/B/C/... |
| [02:33:46] | wagnerrp: | purevideo hd is the windows implementation of the features |
| [02:33:56] | yates: | right. |
| [02:33:59] | wagnerrp: | vdpau is the linux/bsd/solaris implementation of those features |
| [02:34:04] | yates: | right. ok, thank you. |
| [02:34:25] | wagnerrp: | however vdpau is a fully independent render, compositing, and post processing API |
| [02:34:35] | wagnerrp: | offering multiple modes of scaling and deinterlacing |
| [02:34:48] | wagnerrp: | while purevideo hd is slaved in through the windows DXVA interface |
| [02:35:00] | sphery: | yeah, if they did it for Windows, it would have to be VDPAW (Video Decode and Presentation API for Windows :) (Ignore me, I'm making a stupid joke.) |
| [02:35:18] | wagnerrp: | in effect, vdpau is much more capable than purevideo hd |
| [02:35:27] | yates: | is VDPAU still fully-supported by nvidia? i.e., do their current GPU offerings comply? |
| [02:35:35] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [02:35:42] | yates: | that's good |
| [02:36:02] | yates: | i've been a faithful nvidia customer (for linux) since 2005 |
| [02:36:03] | sphery: | but note that you likely don't need super-current gpus from nvidia |
| [02:36:16] | wagnerrp: | anything 8-series or better |
| [02:36:20] | yates: | e.g., would a 9600 GT work? |
| [02:36:29] | wagnerrp: | of course the newer version have additional features |
| [02:36:30] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [02:37:16] | sphery: | yeah, if you want newer than 9600, it may be a good thing--but just don't buy one of the $500+ gaming gpus that suck 225W |
| [02:37:41] | sphery: | GT220 is good, and I've heard GT4x0 (430?) has better HDMI audio support |
| [02:37:54] | yates: | i also have a very basic hardare questions: is the tv capture card different than the video output card? i guess another way of asking is, are there video cards that also provide tv capture? (i'd especially be interested in nvidia offerings) |
| [02:38:03] | wagnerrp: | better... meaning they suport HD audio bitstreaming |
| [02:38:26] | wagnerrp: | no, you dont want a video capture card built into a display card |
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| [02:39:05] | yates: | sphery: i won't be needing hdmi – i have an old Toshiba 65H81 component video tv |
| [02:39:18] | yates: | wagnerrp: ok, so separates. |
| [02:39:22] | wagnerrp: | then you will be needing an older 8 or 9 series display |
| [02:39:33] | wagnerrp: | since anything newer will not have component outputs |
| [02:39:37] | yates: | why is that? |
| [02:39:46] | wagnerrp: | because they just dont |
| [02:39:49] | wagnerrp: | i dont know why |
| [02:39:55] | yates: | they don't what? |
| [02:40:05] | wagnerrp: | have component outputs |
| [02:40:41] | yates: | i haven't found anything with component outputs. i was planning on utilizing dvi output and buying one of those dvi->component converter do-hickies |
| [02:40:55] | wagnerrp: | no, you dont want to do that |
| [02:40:56] | yates: | is that a bad idea? |
| [02:41:02] | wagnerrp: | use the component output on your 9600gt |
| [02:41:20] | yates: | it has component output?!? |
| [02:41:33] | wagnerrp: | does it have an svideo port? |
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| [02:42:06] | sphery: | heh, yeah, I'm using VGA--my TV's HDMI connection only does 1080i60, but its VGA does 1080p60 |
| [02:43:26] | yates: | wagnerrp: i'm not sure if that's what the round connecter is here: http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_9600gt_us.html |
| [02:43:38] | yates: | (cycle through the views to get to the rear connectors) |
| [02:43:41] | wagnerrp: | how many pins does that little round connector have? |
| [02:43:51] | wagnerrp: | on your card, not on that picture |
| [02:44:07] | sphery: | 7-pin |
| [02:44:16] | sphery: | http://images.nvidia.com/products/geforce_960 . . . cket_med.png |
| [02:44:22] | ** wagnerrp is looking for an answer from yates ** | |
| [02:44:36] | sphery: | heh |
| [02:44:40] | wagnerrp: | dont make me send you to the principle's office for talking out of turn |
| [02:44:40] | yates: | wait, let me go around and look... |
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| [02:44:55] | sphery: | yeah, if it's different, it would be important |
| [02:45:38] | yates: | it's just like the picture |
| [02:45:52] | yates: | so 7, if you count that big D-like thing |
| [02:46:12] | wagnerrp: | 8, if you count that bid rectangular pin |
| [02:46:14] | sphery: | should be 7 without the D thing (3 in one line, then 4) |
| [02:46:23] | yates: | ok, like the picture |
| [02:46:26] | yates: | so what is that? |
| [02:46:35] | yates: | i don't think it's s-video, is it? |
| [02:46:37] | wagnerrp: | that means... your card supports both svideo and component video through that port |
| [02:46:40] | sphery: | S-Video + Component out :) |
| [02:46:43] | yates: | ah. |
| [02:46:44] | wagnerrp: | svideo plugs in directly |
| [02:46:47] | sphery: | just need the breakout cable |
| [02:46:48] | yates: | berry cool |
| [02:46:50] | wagnerrp: | component plus in through a breakout cable |
| [02:46:57] | yates: | right under my nose |
| [02:46:59] | sphery: | s/in/is/ |
| [02:46:59] | wagnerrp: | which should have come with your video card |
| [02:47:16] | yates: | does mythtv run well under fedora 14? |
| [02:47:28] | wagnerrp: | cant say |
| [02:47:39] | sphery: | nor I |
| [02:47:46] | wagnerrp: | i dont believe either of us has any experience with fedora |
| [02:48:24] | wagnerrp: | although having known sphery for years, i don't believe i've ever heard what particular blend he prefers |
| [02:48:41] | ** sphery will never tell ** | |
| [02:48:51] | sphery: | all I'll say is that it's the worst of all possible choices |
| [02:49:14] | wagnerrp: | dont say youre an LFSer |
| [02:49:22] | sphery: | nope |
| [02:49:30] | sphery: | did that back in '99, but they didn't do it right |
| [02:49:35] | wagnerrp: | i could see you using debian |
| [02:49:38] | sphery: | (or maybe it was 2000) |
| [02:50:33] | sphery: | I'm the guy who says that people using Debian for MythTV are hypocrites--because the only reason to use Debian vs Ubuntu is for the philosophy, which you have to throw out the window to get the prereqs for MythTV |
| [02:50:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | I'm a Fedora guy... ;-) |
| [02:50:57] | sphery: | (actually, more are likely "false believers" than hypocrites) |
| [02:51:07] | yates: | Hey J-e-f-f-A – so what version of fedora are you using with mythtv? |
| [02:51:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | Currently FC13 |
| [02:51:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | on the backend... I think one of my frontends is on 14. |
| [02:51:38] | sphery: | i.e. they don't understand the Debian philosophy, but choose it because, "Ubuntu is for kiddies, and I'm a super-advanced user" |
| [02:51:42] | yates: | ext4 fs? |
| [02:52:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | yates: My OS/ |
| [02:52:42] | wagnerrp: | right, you seem like a 'debian realist', if there is such a thing |
| [02:52:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | yates: ... grr... OS/DB disk is EXT4, but all of my video disks are XFS |
| [02:52:50] | sphery: | which Fedora is switching to btrfs? 16? |
| [02:53:06] | wagnerrp: | you believe in the philosophy, but realize that it falls through in the real world |
| [02:53:18] | slacker-: | is there a way to apply a new .lircrc without restarting mythtv? |
| [02:53:18] | sphery: | heh |
| [02:53:22] | slacker-: | -frontend |
| [02:53:29] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [02:53:37] | sphery: | I do believe in the philosophy of FOSS, but don't make it a religion |
| [02:53:37] | wagnerrp: | besides, mythtv doesnt use .lircrc |
| [02:53:38] | yates: | J-e-f-f-A: ah. |
| [02:53:51] | sphery: | but I don't use Debian, either |
| [02:54:17] | sphery: | actually, am thinking of throwing it on my Openmoko Freerunner once they re-stabilize the build |
| [02:54:40] | slacker-: | wagnerrp: mine does |
| [02:54:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | yates: I've been running myth for a long while, and have just stuck with what I knew worked well, and I only get around to upgrading my disks every 2–3 years... |
| [02:54:49] | wagnerrp: | no, it doesnt |
| [02:54:50] | yates: | J-e-f-f-A: are you using an nvidia card? and if so, are you using the proprietary nvidia driver? |
| [02:55:20] | wagnerrp: | slacker-: you may have your ~/.mythtv/lircrc symlinked to ~/.lircrc |
| [02:55:31] | wagnerrp: | but that doesnt mean mythtv is using ~/.lircrc |
| [02:55:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | yates: Yes, all my myth boxes have Nvidia gfx and run the proprietary driver. But as of 13, it became harder to install... |
| [02:56:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | yates: It used to be as simple as downloading the .sh file from nvidia, dropping into 'init 3', executing it, and you're done... but not so anymore... :-( (Unless I'm missing something...) |
| [02:56:53] | slacker-: | wagnerrp: are you trying to tell me it's going through /dev/lircd? |
| [02:57:07] | wagnerrp: | no, im trying to tell you its using ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [02:57:30] | wagnerrp: | thats the file it uses, thats the file it reads its directives from |
| [02:57:40] | slacker-: | wagnerrp: ok |
| [02:58:04] | slacker-: | in that case, yes I do have it linked to ~/.lircrc |
| [02:58:12] | wagnerrp: | if making changes to ~/.lircrc affects mythtv, its only because one is symlinked to the other, or ~/.mythtv/lircrc is set to import the other |
| [02:59:41] | yates: | J-e-f-f-A: huh? I just install the akmod-nvidia package |
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| [03:00:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | yates: Ah, that's probably the 'new' way of doing it... I've been running Fedora since about 2004/2005, so I was using the 'old-school' way. ;-) |
| [03:05:00] | Shadow__X: | see deprecated |
| [03:05:02] | Shadow__X: | :) |
| [03:05:42] | wagnerrp: | dropping to init level 3? what for? |
| [03:06:10] | wagnerrp: | you dont have to do that until youre actually ready to unload the old module, load the new one, and restart x |
| [03:06:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: To install the nvidia binary driver on Fedora... Compiles and installs and configures X to use the driver. |
| [03:06:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: I guess it's the 'old' way of doing it now – I'm reading up on 'akmod-nvidia' now... |
| [03:06:49] | wagnerrp: | ive run the installer from an xterm before without problem |
| [03:08:30] | wagnerrp: | hahahahaha! |
| [03:08:40] | wagnerrp: | sphery: did i ever tell you about todd on mythtvtalk? |
| [03:08:46] | ** J-e-f-f-A learns something new every day... See, you're never too old to learn! ** | |
| [03:09:13] | wagnerrp: | hes the guy running a late model netburst xeon |
| [03:09:24] | wagnerrp: | and once or twice a year, he tries to install a 64-bit version of linux |
| [03:09:36] | wagnerrp: | has trouble, decides 64-bit linux just isnt ready for stable use |
| [03:09:41] | wagnerrp: | and drops back to 32-bit |
| [03:10:06] | wagnerrp: | there was a thread from the end of april, 2008, where some guy was proposing a frontend with a celeron 430 |
| [03:10:24] | wagnerrp: | he just responded, saying he didnt think a celeron would be up to the needs of HD playback |
| [03:10:54] | sphery: | heh |
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| [03:18:09] | wagnerrp: | !seen baylink |
| [03:18:10] | MythLogBot: | baylink was last seen 180 days 2 hours 38 minutes 7 seconds ago |
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| [03:18:32] | wagnerrp: | hes been active on the mailing list, wonder why he never comes around here any longer |
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| [03:29:08] | slacker-: | ok, thanks for you help guys |
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| [10:01:44] | k-man: | I'm trying to get my theme to pick up using CartoGothic, but it fails to find it for some reason |
| [10:02:04] | k-man: | i've tested by substituting other fonts which are found successfully |
| [10:02:38] | k-man: | any ideas on how I can work out why its not picking up CartoGothic? |
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| [10:38:17] | natanojl: | k-man: Maybe you're using face="CartoGothic" instead of face="CartoGothic Std"? |
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| [11:43:09] | stuartm: | aye, often the actual font name differs from the filename |
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| [12:32:40] | sphery: | k-man: install the font on your system, then use the following command to find the right font name: fc-list | grep -i carto |
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| [13:51:02] | nidhoegger: | hi, can you recommend a cheap DVB-C card? |
| [13:51:17] | nidhoegger: | should not cost that much but should be capable of 720p |
| [13:51:23] | nidhoegger: | CI is not required |
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| [17:12:27] | wagnerrp: | sphery: any reason a database recovery would ever take more than a few minutes? |
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| [21:37:29] | wagnerrp: | aww come on... i screwed up the manifests again? |
| [21:44:18] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: any reason we have all this stuff stuffed into the runtime dependencies, rather than build dependencies? |
| [21:44:46] | wagnerrp: | erm... nevermind |
| [21:44:53] | wagnerrp: | we include the runtime in the build |
| [21:45:16] | kormoc: | We should likely split it up, but I never bothered to |
| [21:45:42] | kormoc: | sphery, http://360vr.com/2011/06/22-discovery-flight- . . . 6/index.html |
| [21:45:43] | wagnerrp: | connected to github to find a new message... only it was sent 3 months ago |
| [21:45:45] | wagnerrp: | funky |
| [21:46:05] | wagnerrp: | anyway, its complaining that we hard require the nvidia-180 drivers |
| [21:46:14] | wagnerrp: | yet he has a 5-series card that is no longer supported |
| [21:46:26] | wagnerrp: | im not sure how i feel about that |
| [21:48:30] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [21:48:36] | wagnerrp: | can you actually do nested checks? |
| [21:48:36] | kormoc: | he's a nvidia-legacy user? |
| [21:48:51] | wagnerrp: | nvidia-drivers-173 |
| [21:48:54] | kormoc: | Likely, as long as it evaluates to true |
| [21:49:05] | kormoc: | I wonder why I bumped it to a specific version |
| [21:49:17] | wagnerrp: | because vdpau required it |
| [21:49:20] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [21:49:21] | kormoc: | gotcha |
| [21:49:24] | wagnerrp: | technically, now that its split out |
| [21:49:52] | wagnerrp: | we could make vdpau require 185 (190?) or better |
| [21:50:01] | wagnerrp: | and just make video_cards_nvidia require some blend |
| [21:50:38] | wagnerrp: | i would say just have vdpau require 256, since thats the oldest ebuild currently offered |
| [21:52:50] | wagnerrp: | seems they dont even offer the 9x series any longer |
| [21:53:03] | wagnerrp: | oh, 96, yes they do |
| [21:56:04] | wagnerrp: | this actually seems to work... http://pastebin.com/Kj15jCed |
| [21:59:41] | sphery: | kormoc: nice... |
| [21:59:49] | sphery: | a piece of history, now |
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| [22:01:02] | wagnerrp: | too bad sphery cant view it |
| [22:01:05] | wagnerrp: | (its flash) |
| [22:01:06] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [22:01:08] | sphery: | heh |
| [22:01:16] | sphery: | I have a firefox profile specifically for flash |
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| [22:01:44] | sphery: | firefox says out-of-process is good for flash--I take it a step farther and go out of profile |
| [22:02:32] | wagnerrp: | are those parachutes? |
| [22:03:02] | wagnerrp: | i think they are |
| [22:03:15] | sphery: | where at? |
| [22:03:24] | wagnerrp: | the roof, in the back |
| [22:03:40] | sphery: | with the numbers on them? |
| [22:05:36] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [22:05:40] | sphery: | they really need labels for stuff |
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| [22:07:21] | wagnerrp: | i like the apollo era gages |
| [22:07:37] | sphery: | heh, designed in the '50s-'80s... |
| [22:08:35] | wagnerrp: | no, what i REALLY like is that all the flight instrumentation is PRINTED |
| [22:09:16] | sphery: | you mean like printed circuit boards or? |
| [22:09:55] | wagnerrp: | the retrofitted glass cockpit |
| [22:09:59] | ** sphery pictures the pilot waiting for a dot matrix printer to find out their attitude and altitude ** | |
| [22:10:14] | wagnerrp: | youve got three real active diagnostics screens |
| [22:10:33] | wagnerrp: | the other six are printed out and taped onto the front of the screen |
| [22:11:00] | wagnerrp: | you can even see the white edge on some of them where they were not cut out cleanly |
| [22:11:28] | wagnerrp: | or are taped on slightly crooked |
| [22:12:40] | sphery: | heh |
| [22:13:09] | sphery: | so, http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=2 . . . 23750AAEVk80 says there are parachutes for astronauts and a guide rod for steering jumpers clear of the wings... |
| [22:13:48] | sphery: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Launch_escape_system also talks abou tit |
| [22:13:56] | wagnerrp: | looks like the right side window jettisons |
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| [22:14:11] | wagnerrp: | and the parachutes are permanently tied to the craft |
| [22:14:33] | wagnerrp: | you strap it on, jump out, and it deploys itself when the cable goes taught |
| [22:14:42] | sphery: | The emergency exits are clearly marked. In the event of an emergency, white lights will guide you to the nearest exit. |
| [22:15:10] | sphery: | yeah, it sounds like more of a static-line jump than freefall jump |
| [22:15:22] | sphery: | though depending on how high they are, that could be a very bad thing |
| [22:15:45] | wagnerrp: | chances are with those suits on, you wouldnt be able to pull a core anyway |
| [22:15:48] | wagnerrp: | cord |
| [22:16:06] | sphery: | ah, yeah |
| [22:16:26] | wagnerrp: | of course that raises the question, how do they even get through the roof |
| [22:16:36] | sphery: | besides, it would be cool to get an airtime record of 4hrs under parachute... :) |
| [22:16:55] | wagnerrp: | hours? |
| [22:17:00] | sphery: | The Space Shuttle was initially fitted with ejection seats for the initial "shakedown" flights, but these were removed once the vehicle was deemed operational. Following the Challenger disaster, all surviving orbiters were fitted to allow for crew evacuation through the main hatch, though this can only be used when the shuttle is in a controlled glide (the crew would have had to reach the exit from their seats and jump out, to then return ... |
| [22:17:06] | sphery: | ... to earth via parachute). |
| [22:17:09] | sphery: | from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Launch_escape_system |
| [22:18:27] | wagnerrp: | how would a parachute landing take hours? |
| [22:19:01] | sphery: | heh, exaggeration |
| [22:19:34] | wagnerrp: | i mean even if you deployed a chute in space (and it could somehow survive reentry), it would probably only take about 15 minutes |
| [22:21:07] | wagnerrp: | sphery: do we need fonts installed during compilation? |
| [22:21:31] | sphery: | no, they're loaded at runtime |
| [22:22:24] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, nice |
| [22:22:54] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: what does this line do? "|| ( >=net-misc/wget-1.9.1 >=media-tv/xmltv-0.5.43 )" |
| [22:23:41] | wagnerrp: | sphery: libbluray and libdecss are dynamically loaded? |
| [22:24:18] | kormoc: | huh, there should be something before that? |
| [22:24:24] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [22:24:48] | kormoc: | huh |
| [22:24:54] | kormoc: | it does wget || xmltv |
| [22:25:07] | wagnerrp: | meaning one or the other |
| [22:25:09] | kormoc: | right |
| [22:25:13] | wagnerrp: | but yeah, i figured there should be something before that |
| [22:25:35] | sphery: | wagnerrp: libmythbluray is required at build (but part of the source tree). libdecss and the blu-ray equivalent are dynamically opened, if available, at runtime |
| [22:26:01] | wagnerrp: | so those are runtime deps, not build |
| [22:26:03] | wagnerrp: | what about lirc? |
| [22:31:54] | sphery: | pretty sure it's a build dep |
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| [22:38:20] | wagnerrp: | we have liberation-fonts as required in trunk, but not 0.24 |
| [22:38:23] | wagnerrp: | does that sound right? |
| [22:39:23] | sphery: | what in the world is https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/tree/master/mythtv/themes/Slave ? |
| [22:39:30] | sphery: | ah, menu theme |
| [22:40:02] | wagnerrp: | its the official mythtv theme for bondage aficionados |
| [22:40:06] | sphery: | liberation fonrts are used by Terra ( https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . rra/base.xml ) in both master and 0.24 |
| [22:40:13] | sphery: | heh |
| [22:40:44] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: formatting question, tabs or spaces? |
| [22:44:42] | wagnerrp: | i guess thats really more one for cardoe |
| [22:45:26] | ** sphery starts watching the series Hawaii Five-0 (new) in honor of the "day-old" Hawaiian rolls he bought today ** | |
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| [22:48:00] | jams: | sphery- you should wait till they get moldy then watch the show. That way you can equally enjoy them. |
| [22:48:18] | sphery: | heh, you're not a fan? |
| [22:48:43] | sphery: | I have a feeling I'm going to enjoy it--at least one part of it. |
| [22:48:49] | jams: | hehe |
| [22:49:18] | sphery: | (by that I mean the drama, suspense, and intrigue, of course :) |
| [22:49:37] | wagnerrp: | i watched the season, it wasnt bad |
| [22:49:39] | jams: | of course |
| [22:49:42] | wagnerrp: | im not recording season two |
| [22:50:17] | sphery: | I don't know. The show looks like it has a Grace about it... Maybe you guys just don't appreciate good art. |
| [22:57:06] | wagnerrp: | wait, is the daughter named grace? |
| [22:59:24] | sphery: | I mean Sharon/Boomer/Number Eight |
| [22:59:38] | wagnerrp: | ah, the cousin |
| [22:59:42] | sphery: | Grace Park – http://www.tv.com/Grace+Park/person/47084/summary.html |
| [22:59:55] | ** wagnerrp stabs sphery for that horrible awful no-good pun ** | |
| [23:00:10] | sphery: | yeah, was a bit of a stretch |
| [23:01:04] | zombor: | are there any docs on setting up multiple backends properly? i read http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-9.html but it doesn't say too much |
| [23:01:17] | wagnerrp: | because theres not really anything to say |
| [23:01:23] | wagnerrp: | you set up another backend the same as the first |
| [23:01:28] | wagnerrp: | and thats about it |
| [23:01:37] | zombor: | my problem is my master backend has two tuners, and my slave has one, but ill get the "this show is going to record" dialog on my slave |
| [23:01:46] | wagnerrp: | remember that you only have one database, and one master backend |
| [23:02:08] | wagnerrp: | what do you mean? |
| [23:02:10] | zombor: | so i have to stop watching the show, and then restart watching |
| [23:02:27] | wagnerrp: | that sounds like a frontend dialog, not a backend dialog |
| [23:02:32] | zombor: | yes, it is |
| [23:02:34] | sphery: | Avoid conflicts between scheduled recordings and Live TV |
| [23:02:35] | wagnerrp: | (considering the backend doesnt have dialogs) |
| [23:02:50] | wagnerrp: | your frontends simply take the first available tuner |
| [23:03:02] | wagnerrp: | they wont attempt to choose one that happens to be on the same physical machine as it |
| [23:03:02] | sphery: | Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings|General |
| [23:03:05] | zombor: | i wouldn't expect to see that dialog unless my slave machine was recording something |
| [23:03:24] | wagnerrp: | you are assuming your livetv session was using your slave's tuners |
| [23:03:37] | sphery: | actually, they will choose a local tuner over a remote one, unless you enable Avoid conflicts between Live TV and scheduled shows |
| [23:03:41] | zombor: | i would assume that -_- |
| [23:03:55] | wagnerrp: | oh? when did it start that? |
| [23:03:59] | sphery: | so that measn you should un-enable that setting |
| [23:04:21] | sphery: | it's always been that way, but because 99.99999% of people enable the setting (or have only one backend), no one knows :) |
| [23:04:29] | zombor: | that setting is already unchecked |
| [23:04:35] | sphery: | or have dedicated backends without local frontends |
| [23:04:40] | sphery: | zombor: yes, that's what I'm saying |
| [23:04:47] | wagnerrp: | (or dont use livetv) |
| [23:04:57] | sphery: | if that's checked, it will choose a local recording device, if available |
| [23:05:03] | sphery: | er, if that's /not/ checked |
| [23:05:15] | zombor: | ok, i guess i dont really care which tuner it uses |
| [23:05:30] | sphery: | if it's checked, it will choose the default input of the last card defined |
| [23:05:50] | sphery: | but is your frontend on the same machine as the remote backend? |
| [23:05:53] | zombor: | i forgot myth has weird behavior (to me) when it comes to watching and recording live tv |
| [23:06:18] | sphery: | if not, then all tuners are remote, so it just chooses the preferred one, or--with the setting enabled--the default input of the last card |
| [23:06:35] | zombor: | sounds like i want it checked? on this machine i'd prefer it to always use the local tuner |
| [23:06:55] | sphery: | if checked, it doesn't use local |
| [23:06:58] | sphery: | if unchecked it does |
| [23:07:08] | zombor: | then why would i see that dialog? |
| [23:07:18] | sphery: | but it does on /all/ systems (meaning if you have a frontend on the master backend, it will use local there, too) |
| [23:07:31] | zombor: | it sounds like i want the third checkbox, "allow live tv to move sheduled shows" |
| [23:07:33] | sphery: | you said it's checked,right? |
| [23:07:37] | zombor: | no, it was not checked |
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| [23:08:04] | sphery: | ok, not checked means it chooses local, if available, otherwise, the best input--meaning the first input defined |
| [23:08:26] | zombor: | again, sounds like the "allow live tv to move sheduled shows" checkbox is what i want? |
| [23:08:30] | sphery: | so a) are you sure you've properly defined the slave backend capture card/input connections and it's working properly for scheduled recordings? |
| [23:08:58] | zombor: | ive never done a scheduled recording on this slave machine |
| [23:09:04] | sphery: | and b) do you have your inputs and cards defined in the right order |
| [23:09:34] | sphery: | I'd say run a test of 3 scheduled recordings (even if they're 5min manual recordings) just to make sure all your cards are properly configured |
| [23:09:47] | sphery: | and let me get you a reference for info on order of defining cards/inputs |
| [23:10:40] | zombor: | when i go to mythweb, it shows my watching tv |
| [23:10:52] | zombor: | and it's recording something right now |
| [23:10:56] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/419275#419275 |
| [23:11:10] | sphery: | live tv doesn't count--it works on cards with broken input connections |
| [23:11:34] | zombor: | ok |
| [23:11:39] | zombor: | so ill just record two more things |
| [23:12:33] | sphery: | so, with info from the above post, you might want to clear all your capture cards (as described at http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 --but don't clear video sources, or you'll have to redo channels) and re-define them in order |
| [23:13:42] | zombor: | ok, it must not be right, i get "Another program with a higher recording priority will be recorded." on the third |
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| [23:15:10] | sphery: | that sounds like it's right--but you have an upcoming recording? |
| [23:15:14] | sphery: | a real recording |
| [23:15:36] | sphery: | if so, it's probably just a matter of defining things in the right order |
| [23:15:42] | zombor: | hrm, oh |
| [23:15:44] | sphery: | oh, and don't use input priority at all--it's evil |
| [23:15:53] | sphery: | it will cause craziness like you're seeing |
| [23:15:57] | zombor: | right, i need to select a show that's not an hour |
| [23:16:36] | ctmjr: | so after six months of playing with my galaxy tablet it has become a $400.00 myth remote |
| [23:16:40] | zombor: | hrm still said it |
| [23:17:02] | sphery: | ctmjr: mythdroid? |
| [23:17:12] | sphery: | a friend of mine was wondering if that's good |
| [23:19:28] | ctmjr: | sphery, it is really nice |
| [23:20:02] | sphery: | cool |
| [23:20:07] | zombor: | bah |
| [23:21:58] | zombor: | so i need to basically re-do all my inputs? |
| [23:23:16] | zombor: | hrm, on my capture card setup page on my slave, it says "ERROR_OPEN" |
| [23:23:28] | zombor: | under Frontend ID: |
| [23:24:14] | sphery: | redoing inputs should be quick and easy--doesn't require redoing channels |
| [23:24:27] | sphery: | channels are in video source, so as long as you leave the video source in place, it's easy |
| [23:24:49] | zombor: | ERROR_OPEN isn't a problem? |
| [23:24:50] | sphery: | and might want to back up db before making changes so you have the option of going back to before state |
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| [23:25:03] | sphery: | sounds like it's unable to open the card? |
| [23:25:05] | sphery: | is it in use? |
| [23:25:13] | sphery: | running mythbackend or some other program? |
| [23:25:33] | sphery: | (I assume you're in mythtv-setup's capture cards section, now) |
| [23:25:35] | zombor: | ah had backend running |
| [23:28:34] | zombor: | i should see all my tuners under /status on mythweb, right? |
| [23:29:17] | sphery: | yeah |
| [23:30:54] | zombor: | ok, i dont, so let me start over |
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| [23:37:26] | zombor: | ok, now i see it in mythweb, but it says: "Encoder 3 is remote on nettop (currently not connected)." |
| [23:37:59] | zombor: | looks like it's working |
| [23:38:04] | zombor: | it's recording now |
| [23:41:02] | zombor: | sphery: thanks |
| [23:41:36] | zombor: | now to work on my "failed buffering" errors ;) |
| [23:50:26] | sphery: | good luck |
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| [23:55:04] | sphery: | wagnerrp: just saw your database recovery question... did you find out why it was taking so long (and did you mean restore or repair?) |
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