| Friday, July 29th, 2011, 00:01 UTC | ||
| [00:01:26] | wagnerrp: | aww crap |
| [00:01:50] | wagnerrp: | seems my script no longer builds mythvideo ebuilds |
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| [00:06:50] | wagnerrp: | ok, pushed |
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| [00:07:43] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: sounds good |
| [00:08:23] | ** wagnerrp chalks up another 2k lines on ohloh ** | |
| [00:09:55] | wagnerrp: | every time you move a file ohloh counts it as you writing fresh code |
| [00:11:15] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [00:12:10] | wagnerrp: | ive got over 17k lines of ebuilds, kormoc has over 43k |
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| [00:16:51] | wagnerrp: | woowee, thats a hell of a -users post |
| [00:22:02] | sphery: | which one? |
| [00:22:05] | sphery: | oh, that one |
| [00:22:16] | sphery: | yeah, you'd think he was channeling me with that one |
| [00:27:36] | k-man: | like for instance, I think using templates, one could make a theme that could be generated for either wide or normal aspect ratio |
| [00:28:29] | k-man: | sphery, which post? |
| [00:37:36] | sphery: | the very long one from iamlindoro |
| [00:38:48] | sphery: | MythMetadataLookup related |
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| [00:50:26] | k-man: | hehe |
| [00:50:27] | k-man: | epic |
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| [01:06:53] | k-man: | the tone of the op was a bit crappy |
| [01:07:15] | wagnerrp: | s/bit/lot/ |
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| [01:52:25] | k-man: | ooh, I got a segfault when mythvideo was downloading metadata |
| [01:52:53] | k-man: | http://pastie.org/2287597 |
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| [01:56:26] | wagnerrp: | any core dump? |
| [01:56:50] | k-man: | no, I think core dumps must be turned off |
| [01:57:01] | wagnerrp: | can you reproduce the issue? |
| [01:57:14] | k-man: | just tried and this time no crash |
| [01:57:40] | k-man: | where is the metadata stored? |
| [01:57:58] | wagnerrp: | database |
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| [02:01:37] | AlmightyOatmeal: | YOUR MOM! |
| [02:01:46] | k-man: | any idea which theme file would have the settings for the Video Metadata Settings window? |
| [02:02:14] | wagnerrp: | for what purpose? |
| [02:02:44] | k-man: | in MythCenter one of the descriptions is too narrow and truncated |
| [02:02:53] | k-man: | I plan to adjust it |
| [02:03:56] | k-man: | nm, found it in default |
| [02:04:17] | wagnerrp: | yeah, theres simply not a whole lot to mythcenter |
| [02:04:29] | wagnerrp: | most of it is going to be in the default xml files |
| [02:04:38] | k-man: | no... should I fix it in default? or in MythCenter |
| [02:05:01] | wagnerrp: | i dont know enough about theming to answer that |
| [02:06:42] | davesp: | Heh — I've been using MythCenter and its derivatives for a while now. Long enough that I don't remember what "default" offers. But, for whichever theme you're using, trial and error usually works out. |
| [02:07:02] | k-man: | davesp, do you still use it? |
| [02:07:07] | davesp: | Then comes the issue of sharing the results. |
| [02:07:25] | k-man: | well, I have made a fork on github if you care to have a look? |
| [02:07:36] | wagnerrp: | davesp: in this case 'default' is the fallthrough for any page that the theme does not provide |
| [02:07:44] | wagnerrp: | its not a specific theme |
| [02:07:54] | k-man: | I suspect it should be fixed in default |
| [02:11:54] | davesp: | In 0.24, MythCenter-wide had some issues with alignment and what-not when used with 1920x1200 screens. I made a few adjustments, added a clock here and there, and added a "cut" indicator on the edit screen. I put those changes into a MythCenter-wide derivative theme which I use in my builds. I'm not sure if my changes are required in the "default" theme. |
| [02:13:27] | davesp: | Some of the changes I made locally seem to have been included in recent commits, but I haven't tested them. |
| [02:13:53] | davesp: | (Those recent commits were made by others, not me.) |
| [02:21:03] | k-man: | hmm... the links from trac to github seem to be broken |
| [02:21:10] | k-man: | eg: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/search?q=video+me . . . &wiki=on |
| [02:21:26] | k-man: | click on one of the issues, and it takes you to a github 404 page |
| [02:21:46] | k-man: | oh, only for open issues, like 26571 for example |
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| [02:23:01] | davesp: | Maybe one of the Myth devs can address that; some of the older bugs refer to the old bug trac system. |
| [02:23:57] | wagnerrp: | weve only ever had the one bug system |
| [02:24:08] | wagnerrp: | [26571] refers to the old source repository |
| [02:24:09] | MythLogBot: | SVN 26571: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/64f4ec39 |
| [02:24:19] | wagnerrp: | which mythlogbot is kind enough to redirect you to the new link |
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| [02:29:35] | k-man: | well – I was just pointing out the problem |
| [02:29:45] | davesp: | So here's where maybe I expose my ignorance of theme development (and I haven't yet put this on the #mythtv-theming channel): Has anyone put up a repository of user-developed themes, per release, which users can access via the theme chooser? |
| [02:30:03] | k-man: | I was not specificaly interested in that ticket, but thanks for showing me the mythlogbot thing |
| [02:32:01] | k-man: | who are the people who do know a lot about themeing wagnerrp? |
| [02:32:19] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro and stuartm |
| [02:32:36] | k-man: | thanks wagnerrp |
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| [03:47:06] | wagnerrp: | anyone interested in a color laser printer? |
| [03:47:48] | AlmightyOatmeal: | me me me me me me me |
| [03:48:04] | wagnerrp: | http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3156464 |
| [03:48:19] | wagnerrp: | $50 plus $25 S&H |
| [03:49:03] | wagnerrp: | hehe... $200 for a toner refill |
| [03:49:06] | wagnerrp: | better buy two |
| [03:50:51] | AlmightyOatmeal: | oh, i thought you meant for free :P |
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| [04:10:12] | k-man: | I wouldn't buy a dell laser printer |
| [04:10:23] | k-man: | I stick with HP laser printers |
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| [04:29:06] | k-man: | any idea where the Programme Finder is defined in a theme? |
| [04:32:03] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: sphery: Well, I knew that if I didn't write a post that breaks down how all the pieces work, nobody ever would-- the wiki instructions are designed to handhold someone through it, but don't cover why things work the way they do. Maybe I need to transfer that to an "advanced" version of the article |
| [04:32:32] | iamlindoro: | k-man: schedule-ui.xml |
| [04:32:51] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Schedule-ui.xml#Th . . . nd.22_window |
| [04:33:19] | k-man: | iamlindoro, ah, thanks |
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| [04:39:23] | k-man: | iamlindoro, what are your thoughts on using some sort of templating tool (like for instance template toolkit) in theme development? |
| [04:41:10] | iamlindoro: | k-man: IMO it's not for me, but if you developed something and used it it's perfectly valid to do so |
| [04:42:47] | k-man: | thats good to hear |
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| [05:02:17] | k-man: | iamlindoro, any suggestions for dealing with long channel names as in SBS TWO in this screenshot? http://flip.dyndns.org/images/myth-screenshot . . . 9-28.980.png |
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| [05:06:06] | iamlindoro: | k-man: You can use a smaller font, but ultimately you have to draw the line somewhere in terms of number of characters you are going to support. |
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| [05:06:54] | k-man: | iamlindoro, I think that is the longest channel name we have here at the moment |
| [05:07:12] | k-man: | I suppose I could just call int SBS 2, but I think it's official name is SBS TWO |
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| [05:43:59] | k-man: | I'm thinking of switching to master on my production system so I don't have to update MythCenter to work with .24-fixes |
| [05:43:59] | k-man: | is it stable enough to do that at the moment? |
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| [06:09:48] | justinh: | k-man: hahahahaha long channel names? You call *that* long? ;-) |
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| [06:10:54] | justinh: | k-man: btw what's this 'template toolkit' you speak of? I'm back on the theme wagon again & am trying to get more screens consistent in my work |
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| [06:12:32] | justinh: | oh that. I dunno how easy it'd be to make something like that useful for themers |
| [06:13:29] | k-man: | justinh, i've been playing with it with my fork of MythCenter: https://github.com/jasonblewis/MythCenterNew |
| [06:13:38] | k-man: | in case you want to have a look |
| [06:13:56] | k-man: | i've not done much with it yet – as I'm just sort of feeling my way around the theme |
| [06:14:02] | k-man: | working out what I can do and what needs to be done |
| [06:14:15] | justinh: | gah. git :-\ I hate when people say 'have a look' when all there is to look at is github. I look at screenshots :) |
| [06:14:40] | k-man: | justinh, how will screenshots help you see what Template Toolkit does? ;) |
| [06:14:52] | k-man: | its more or less the same as MythCenter |
| [06:15:03] | k-man: | but if you wait a second I can generate some screenshots for you |
| [06:15:28] | justinh: | but I'm guessing your twist is that unlike mythcenter yours will actually be more than just a re-skin of the menus |
| [06:15:41] | justinh: | which was really all mythcenter ever was |
| [06:15:57] | k-man: | no, I'm just fixing fields that are too narrow basically |
| [06:17:01] | k-man: | http://flip.dyndns.org/images/ |
| [06:17:07] | k-man: | theres a few screenshots there |
| [06:17:23] | k-man: | oh – the first one is something I fixed already |
| [06:17:58] | k-man: | I had moved things off center http://flip.dyndns.org/images/myth-screenshot . . . 6-50.694.png |
| [06:18:06] | k-man: | to fit the wider field |
| [06:18:20] | k-man: | I'm not sure I like that though and I might center it again |
| [06:18:49] | k-man: | i've also been putting the clock on a bunch of windows that didn't have it |
| [06:19:04] | k-man: | imho, clock should be on every screen/window |
| [06:19:21] | justinh: | well, good effort, fair enough but if I were you I'd be taking things more to the edges. I originally made the screensize wizard so users could fix stuff for overscan rather than need themers to build it in |
| [06:19:39] | k-man: | justin ah! |
| [06:19:44] | k-man: | thanks for that advice! |
| [06:19:48] | justinh: | so it'd only get you 10% or so more room but in a 4:3 theme you really need all you can get |
| [06:19:58] | k-man: | yes definately |
| [06:20:08] | k-man: | I was wondering about the built in margin thing |
| [06:20:18] | k-man: | I'll work on that as time permits |
| [06:20:21] | justinh: | my current theme is 16:9 but it's got to work at 800x600 |
| [06:20:37] | justinh: | stoopid 4:3 aspect intel TV out |
| [06:20:42] | k-man: | justinh, see that is where imho, Template Toolkit could be very useful for you |
| [06:20:54] | k-man: | https://github.com/jasonblewis/MythCenterNew/ . . . b/globals.tt |
| [06:20:55] | justinh: | nah I'm doing it by hand |
| [06:21:03] | justinh: | more er.. rewarding that way ;) |
| [06:21:11] | k-man: | hmm... |
| [06:21:18] | k-man: | ok, I'll leave it at that |
| [06:21:31] | justinh: | there aren't *that* many screens |
| [06:22:06] | justinh: | what I got up to last night was making as many buttonlists as I can occupy the same screen area |
| [06:22:06] | k-man: | can you build 1 theme for two aspect ratios? |
| [06:22:11] | k-man: | or you have to end up with 2 themes? |
| [06:22:15] | justinh: | k-man: sure you can |
| [06:23:03] | justinh: | what I tend to do is get a feel for placements & occupied area in the proper aspect & then test it at 4:3 to see if any areas need tweaking due to cutoff etc |
| [06:23:19] | justinh: | you'd be surprised how little needs doing actually |
| [06:23:26] | k-man: | cool |
| [06:23:46] | justinh: | when I first tried Arclight on my frontend I was amazed how everything just fit perfectly as far as I could tell |
| [06:23:55] | justinh: | I could read all the text even on my SDTV |
| [06:24:07] | justinh: | my wife, however, couldn't.. so it couldn't stay |
| [06:24:14] | k-man: | hehe |
| [06:25:31] | justinh: | I can't wait til something can be done about all these static fields taking up large areas onscreen – e.g. the groups buttonlists in 'watch recordings' etc. I tend to think, when I move to the recordings list that I'm 'done' with the groups list for now so I don't need to see it |
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| [06:26:52] | justinh: | that's something that doesn't help in 4:3 land too in my experience |
| [06:27:27] | k-man: | I don't understand, what do you mean? |
| [06:27:53] | k-man: | oh I see |
| [06:27:59] | justinh: | I mean like instead of having both group list & recording lists onscreen at one time in the PBB only put ONE onscreen at a time. save space |
| [06:28:03] | k-man: | so.... what could be done aboit it? |
| [06:28:14] | k-man: | is there plans that will enable you to do something about it? |
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| [06:28:37] | justinh: | I dunno if there are, but I doubt they're high on anybody's list |
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| [06:29:06] | justinh: | I suspect there'd be a great deal of re-jigging of code to do |
| [06:29:24] | k-man: | oh |
| [06:29:25] | k-man: | ok |
| [06:29:45] | justinh: | and don't forget some people actually *like* that kind of view |
| [06:30:34] | justinh: | I do, sometimes in different contexts.. like in a file explorer I like to have a list of all the other dirs down the left hand side too ;) |
| [06:31:54] | justinh: | I toyed with having a horizontal group buttonlist but it made navigation a bit of a pain |
| [06:32:13] | justinh: | as in finding the group you wanted to be in, not activating the buttonlist |
| [06:33:00] | justinh: | especially with long show names (I don't bother showing categories) – the buttlonlist might have ended up with only 3 or 4 items visible at a time :P |
| [06:35:09] | justinh: | I've been doing other stuff with my theme too, like putting title, subtitle, channel, starttimedate in similar enough places for consistency. i.e. title, with subtitle underneath – then channel right justified on the same line as title, starttime under subtitle... |
| [06:36:47] | justinh: | that's something you might have to look at, so a user doesn't end up having to scan around the screen to find information# |
| [06:37:19] | k-man: | yeah |
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| [06:39:09] | justinh: | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15539509/concept1.png# |
| [06:39:19] | justinh: | oops what is it with that hash key? lol |
| [06:39:55] | justinh: | see how even four lines of description is obviously not enough? ;-) |
| [06:41:09] | k-man: | is that your theme? |
| [06:41:27] | justinh: | work in progress |
| [06:41:42] | k-man: | yes |
| [06:41:54] | justinh: | getting placements sorted out then I'll start customising icons |
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| [06:43:31] | justinh: | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15539509/concept2.png – needs a little bit of attention. LOL |
| [06:44:08] | k-man: | looks good |
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| [06:47:53] | justinh: | then these I'm really happy with so far: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15539509/conceptpbb16x9.png and http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15539509/conceptpbb4x3.png |
| [06:48:20] | justinh: | works at 4:3 and 16:9 :) |
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| [06:48:52] | justinh: | I'll probably take the stars down in size to get another line of description |
| [06:49:49] | justinh: | the lines you can see were where I marked overscan safe area on the background. I don't know what happened to the new background I made |
| [06:50:08] | justinh: | I'm *still* not able to make up my mind whether or not to use fanart |
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| [06:51:14] | k-man: | the second url did not work |
| [06:51:33] | justinh: | ahh I know what I've done |
| [06:51:48] | justinh: | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15539509/conceptpbb4by3.png |
| [06:52:00] | k-man: | nice |
| [06:53:14] | justinh: | this is still information overload compared to what commercial DVRs put onscreen |
| [06:53:30] | k-man: | could your scroll bars perhaps be a little narrower to make more room? |
| [06:54:02] | k-man: | I really like your icons for wide, bookmarked etc |
| [06:54:16] | justinh: | they're the labour of love, those things |
| [06:54:19] | k-man: | what font do you use? |
| [06:54:30] | justinh: | erm... hmm... can't remember LOL |
| [06:54:41] | justinh: | I've been working on this in dribs & drabs for so long now |
| [06:54:54] | k-man: | it really annoys me the font selection in MythCenter which seems to be a non free font |
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| [06:55:06] | justinh: | Cartogothic |
| [06:55:16] | justinh: | very readable on an SDTV |
| [06:55:34] | k-man: | is it free? |
| [06:56:34] | ** Beirdo yawns. ** | |
| [06:56:37] | k-man: | seems to be free |
| [06:56:38] | justinh: | free as in beer I think |
| [06:56:42] | k-man: | yeah |
| [06:56:46] | Beirdo: | it's hard to geotag pictures you took 10 years ago |
| [06:57:01] | Beirdo: | in this case... in Budapest |
| [06:57:42] | k-man: | hmm.. I might see if I can use Cartogothic on mythcenter |
| [06:58:37] | justinh: | k-man: the big thing about why some themes use non-free fonts is that a) free fonts generally don't have all the accented characters under the sun and b) the kerning on free fonts mostly sucks donkeys |
| [06:59:11] | k-man: | but if they use a non-free font, then most people who use the theme aren't seeing it with the correct font |
| [06:59:50] | justinh: | so? that isn't the themer's problem. He has an email address of gotohell@nosupport.com |
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| [07:00:06] | justinh: | oops sorry that's *my* new email address |
| [07:00:11] | k-man: | I guess... |
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| [07:00:51] | justinh: | I suppose it's something package managers should be paying more attention to – and no doubt something mythfrontend could check for in the theme chooser |
| [07:02:18] | justinh: | darnit.. what's the domain I need for my webspace at the ISP? |
| [07:02:59] | justinh: | hahaha oh yeah |
| [07:03:01] | justinh: | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/stuff/concept5.png |
| [07:03:23] | justinh: | ROFLMAO I forgot about this. Poor dustybin http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/stuff/dusty.jpg |
| [07:03:34] | k-man: | justinh, I get lots of invalid image dimensions errors when the theme shows the channel icos |
| [07:03:37] | k-man: | icons |
| [07:03:45] | k-man: | is that something that should be "fixed" somehow? |
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| [07:03:57] | justinh: | can't say I've ever ran into that |
| [07:04:36] | k-man: | 2011-07–29 16:55:36.264470 E MythUIHelper: LoadScaleImage(/var/lib/mythtv/.shepherd/icons/standard_abc_86ce2a644c39d7ffd529 0f55fa8a.jpg) invalid image dimensions |
| [07:05:15] | justinh: | is it an actual image though? |
| [07:05:28] | justinh: | whatever scrapes them may be failing |
| [07:05:30] | k-man: | file reports the image as 190 x 190, 8-bit/color RGB, non-interlaced |
| [07:05:47] | k-man: | oh.. but its a PNG |
| [07:06:07] | k-man: | hmm... |
| [07:06:56] | justinh: | the concept5.png shot reminds me I once tried to put channel icons in the PBB |
| [07:06:59] | justinh: | haha |
| [07:07:08] | justinh: | wonder if they ever made it in |
| [07:08:16] | justinh: | nope. not going by the wiki anyway |
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| [07:10:04] | justinh: | here goes nuffink |
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| [07:10:33] | k-man: | can channel icons be png? |
| [07:11:09] | justinh: | they can be any suported format |
| [07:11:16] | justinh: | so long as they're named correctly |
| [07:11:35] | justinh: | i.e. if it says jpg in the path it won't find a .png file ;) |
| [07:12:18] | k-man: | yeah, I realise |
| [07:12:32] | justinh: | ah poo. still no channelicon in the PBB. did nobody else care? LOL |
| [07:12:43] | k-man: | what I meant before was that the file ends with .jpg, but "file" reports it is a PNG |
| [07:12:58] | justinh: | that'd probably mess it up too I guess |
| [07:13:09] | k-man: | yeah, I think that is the problem |
| [07:13:33] | k-man: | I just moved one to png and changed the file name in mythtv-setup and the error is gone |
| [07:13:43] | k-man: | its a problem with shehperd which does the downloading of images |
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| [07:14:32] | justinh: | hahahaha awesome! I didn't realise I still had these screenshots! http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/screenshots/ |
| [07:15:21] | justinh: | oh man, I wish I'd been able to finish what I started there |
| [07:15:45] | k-man: | what were you doing there? |
| [07:16:08] | justinh: | adding a new feature to the painter. well *features* actually but rotation was the first |
| [07:16:43] | ** Beirdo wonders exactly where that square was in Budadpes ** | |
| [07:16:50] | justinh: | oh and http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/concept.ogg |
| [07:16:50] | Beirdo: | Budapest rather |
| [07:17:11] | justinh: | Beirdo: every time I see that place name I'm reminded of a certain Atari cassette ;) |
| [07:18:08] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [07:18:15] | Beirdo: | I'm reminded of my trip :) |
| [07:18:40] | AndyCap: | justinh: nice video. |
| [07:19:13] | justinh: | wow look at the date though.. |
| [07:19:30] | Beirdo: | I think it may have been Erzsebet ter |
| [07:20:54] | justinh: | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . Frontend.png is what happens when you mess with gl ordinates & you *really* don't know what you're doing |
| [07:21:27] | justinh: | I think I was off work with suspected swine flu then |
| [07:22:15] | justinh: | oh nice. I still have my code where I had the rotation & analogue clock widget working |
| [07:25:05] | justinh: | this seriously needs to be ressurected |
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| [07:33:05] | k-man: | anyway, I have to go |
| [07:33:06] | k-man: | bye al |
| [07:33:07] | k-man: | l |
| [07:33:13] | k-man: | thanks for your advice justinh |
| [07:34:29] | justinh: | np. keep on keeping on. somebody has to love mythcenter ;) |
| [07:35:00] | k-man: | well – I just need to work out a way to feed my fixes back to mythtv now |
| [07:35:39] | k-man: | bye |
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| [07:46:41] | Beirdo: | bed time |
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| [08:20:13] | rsiebert: | can these painter features be used to migrate mythgallery to mythui? Will the image rotation, scaling and zooming be done in mythuiimage? |
| [08:22:27] | justinh: | they're not painter features |
| [08:22:34] | justinh: | I never finished them |
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| [08:24:05] | rsiebert: | but is it the right direction to manipulate rotation and scaling in mythuiimage which will then manipulate the mythimage? |
| [08:24:09] | justinh: | I should've committed the rotation & fixed the coordinate mapping before messing around with other effects & giving up on the whole thing -before the painters were rejigged. I bet nothing will even remotely apply now |
| [08:24:29] | justinh: | mythuiimage can't do rotation yet as far as I know |
| [08:24:41] | justinh: | scaling is built in for sure |
| [08:24:50] | justinh: | using qtimage's best scaling |
| [08:25:08] | justinh: | er qimage I mean. I think |
| [08:25:53] | rsiebert: | yes rotation is missing but could be added. scaling is available but if one scales the image to 500% and then back its not of the original quality. |
| [08:25:58] | justinh: | if it was up to me I'd probably leave it all up to qt – or at least try it – especially since they made it possible to have only one painter |
| [08:26:37] | justinh: | rsiebert: it creates thumbnails of every picture & you only see a scaled version of the real image |
| [08:26:58] | justinh: | I mean it generates thumbs for every file but when you go to view the image you see the real image, scaled on the fly |
| [08:27:37] | justinh: | so it's not scaling images down to thumbnail size, then zooming into the thumnail sized image. that'd be stupid |
| [08:28:11] | rsiebert: | jupp but zooming in by 140% and then zooming back to 100% the image should have the same quality. |
| [08:28:19] | justinh: | and it doesn't? |
| [08:28:34] | rsiebert: | it seems to get blurrier |
| [08:28:44] | rsiebert: | as if information is lost during zooming |
| [08:29:06] | justinh: | I thought mythgallery had been converted to mythui already |
| [08:29:08] | rsiebert: | when you zoom out and in again the smaller image seems to be upscaled and therefore information is los |
| [08:29:21] | justinh: | then that would be what I'd call broken |
| [08:29:37] | rsiebert: | the original mythgallery yes. it still uses the qdialog with the glwidget stuff |
| [08:29:46] | rsiebert: | but i'm trying one with mythuiimages |
| [08:30:03] | rsiebert: | fading between two images works |
| [08:30:27] | rsiebert: | i still need to implement automatic rotation by exif information and scaling |
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| [08:30:49] | rsiebert: | that would be the minimum stuff for a gallery i suppose. |
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| [08:32:59] | justinh: | nah zooming seems to be fine here |
| [08:33:35] | rsiebert: | yes the mythgallery that is shipped with mythplugins is ok. |
| [08:34:08] | rsiebert: | but if you implement zooming in a mythuiimage then it seems different |
| [08:35:26] | rsiebert: | i think it is MythImage's Resize(const QSize &newSize, bool preserveAspect=false) method |
| [08:35:53] | justinh: | whoah you only want to change the display size not the imagesize |
| [08:36:06] | justinh: | this might need a new method |
| [08:36:45] | rsiebert: | oh ok, good point. how do i change the display size then? |
| [08:37:10] | justinh: | I can't remember how mythuiimage works |
| [08:37:26] | justinh: | oh wait – aren't all images scaled at loading time? |
| [08:37:46] | justinh: | to the display area size.. I mean the <area> attritube |
| [08:37:49] | rsiebert: | yes they are scaled to the size of the themer widget that the image is assigned to |
| [08:38:05] | justinh: | I reckon this would need a nice case |
| [08:38:27] | justinh: | but you'd be better talking to somebody in -dev about it. my ui coding is rusty |
| [08:38:29] | rsiebert: | but the area of the theme should stay fix. only the shown image shall rotate, be scaled, zoomed, moved inside the themes widget |
| [08:38:49] | justinh: | yeah that's why it might need a new case |
| [08:39:03] | rsiebert: | kk, this would allow the porting or adding gallery effects to mythuiimage :-) |
| [08:39:04] | justinh: | it's special because you only want to do that stuff on the fly |
| [08:39:44] | justinh: | rotation is easy, but so long as we have a qt painter (UGH) you'd have to do rotation in both qt & gl :-\ |
| [08:40:31] | justinh: | I have a bunch of diffs up at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/diffs if they'd be any help |
| [08:40:51] | rsiebert: | thx, as a first step only opengl could be supported by explicitly requiring it |
| [08:40:55] | rsiebert: | I look into them |
| [08:41:12] | justinh: | qimage can do rotation pretty quickly though |
| [08:41:21] | justinh: | it's certainly fast enough to do one image at a time |
| [08:41:39] | justinh: | maybe not as good as native gl rotation though |
| [08:42:52] | justinh: | anyway, funny – I thought beirdo or someone had already ported mythgallery to mythui. heh |
| [08:43:39] | rsiebert: | rotation should be easy, blending is already supported by setalpha() or similar. |
| [08:44:25] | rsiebert: | the screens and so on are mythui. but the showing the actual image with the opengl effects is still a glwidget in a qdialog. |
| [08:45:32] | justinh: | ah I see now |
| [08:46:06] | justinh: | maybe hack onto mythscreenfade{} or whatever :-D |
| [08:46:22] | justinh: | then maybe we can get some more transitions at long last... (or none) |
| [08:49:03] | justinh: | there's probably a way you can inherit from mythuiimage & bolt a few extras on |
| [08:49:15] | justinh: | my code-fu ain't all that |
| [08:49:36] | rsiebert: | currently I try to pimp mythuiimage. it gets some good stuff from myuitype |
| [08:50:27] | justinh: | looking back at my diffs I find it hard to believe I managed all that LOL |
| [08:50:50] | rsiebert: | :-) |
| [08:53:06] | rsiebert: | need to get back to work now. thanks for your help |
| [08:53:23] | justinh: | np :) |
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| [09:11:03] | justinh: | might be quick enough (but dirty) to reload the image & do whatever it is you're doing to zoom it now |
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| [09:22:50] | oobe: | anyone know why mythfilldatabase and shepherd only seem to work for half my channels after upgrading to .25 pre |
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| [09:49:31] | justinh: | check all yer channels still have xmltvids etc |
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| [10:34:14] | oobe: | yea I did that thanks justinh |
| [10:40:03] | justinh: | and the config file? |
| [10:40:30] | justinh: | and the script version? sure you didn't also unwittingly update that & miss some changes? |
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| [11:07:37] | stuartm: | oobe: nothing major has changed on our end that I can think of, but then the shepherd setup sounds pretty fragile to me and so something quite small is likely to break it, hence why we've been trying to get the shepherd maintainer to write a proper xmltv client and to stop using wrapper scripts and cron jobs |
| [11:10:19] | stuartm: | honestly it might be a waste of time, my impression was that he'd rather do things the quick and easy way with proprietary hacks than working collaboratively with xmltv to get a universal solution |
| [11:11:14] | oobe: | hmm ok thanks I dont know what else to try |
| [11:12:00] | oobe: | I would downgrade to .24 again but I ran out my rotation of .24 database backups plus things in .25pre are fixed that didnt work .24 |
| [11:12:12] | stuartm: | oobe: are you using the latest version of the shepherd scripts? |
| [11:12:39] | oobe: | shepherd v1.5.1 (linux) |
| [11:12:43] | stuartm: | he mentioned some breakage when we changed a little used argument to mfdb last month |
| [11:12:57] | oobe: | shepherd updates itself automatically |
| [11:13:02] | stuartm: | but I thought that had been resolved |
| [11:15:43] | oobe: | I never noticed that breakage |
| [11:16:16] | oobe: | I just run it dailey as a cronjob and most likely the breakage didnt last long enough for me to end up without guide data |
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| [11:20:28] | stuartm: | mfdb always runs daily, cron job or no cron job |
| [11:20:58] | stuartm: | it's not fair to take my frustration out on a random passer by, so just ignore me :) |
| [11:22:42] | oobe: | ok |
| [11:22:58] | oobe: | i didnt feel like u were taking things out on me |
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| [11:31:08] | oobe: | here is a paste of the mfb output http://pastebin.com/pcDTUudU |
| [11:31:55] | oobe: | amongst what looks ok I see "Error in 1:1: unexpected end of file" |
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| [11:32:30] | oobe: | also I never had the files XMLTV config file is: ~/.mythtv/Tuner 1.xmltv |
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| [11:35:34] | justinh: | heh googletv is already being deemed a flop |
| [11:36:41] | justinh: | not really surprised since I've read the Revue box won't even play mpeg2 |
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| [11:37:40] | justinh: | now if somebody can come along & make one of these network connected thingies with a *great* UI... added onto the top of great file format support – then we may get a winner |
| [11:37:54] | rileyp: | does irsend work in natty with a mceusb |
| [11:38:24] | justinh: | isn't it about time lirc got its own irc channel? |
| [11:39:14] | justinh: | I would guess that it *should* work rileyp |
| [11:39:18] | rileyp: | OK lets talk dolby true hd in myth |
| [11:39:30] | rileyp: | all i get is crackle.... |
| [11:40:01] | justinh: | I dunno about truhd.. which seems to be an anagram of H turd |
| [11:40:35] | justinh: | I'm guessing that if you're passing it through, whatever you're putting it into has to support the format |
| [11:40:41] | rileyp: | dmesg says its all good HDMI: supports coding type MLP (Dolby TrueHD): channels = 8, rates = 88200 192000 |
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| [11:41:04] | rileyp: | its a yammmy 665 its good for it |
| [11:41:32] | justinh: | so I'd begin to doubt whether or not the file you've got isn't mangled |
| [11:42:23] | justinh: | unless there's a config issue. I haven't dabbled with HD video much let alone audio |
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| [11:43:17] | justinh: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:HDAudioPassthrough would be a good place to start looking |
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| [11:49:10] | rileyp: | the file I've got?? who what where....? I have a very small ~.asoundrc that sets my hdmi 1,7 as default thats it and yes I have been there to the webpage your linking me too. I have alsa 0.24 and myth ready as well I have hdmi video and sound working with all other formats but true hd |
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| [11:50:42] | justinh: | no I mean the stuff you're trying to play |
| [11:51:37] | rileyp: | they are sample files from http://www.demo-world.eu/trailers/high-definition-trailers.php |
| [11:52:27] | justinh: | what about other player programs? do they cope? |
| [11:53:31] | rileyp: | It may be a simple config setting i think but its frustrating just the same.. Hmm i was going to try vlc but the text in vlc is so small I cant even read it |
| [11:54:13] | rileyp: | I know I should be able to do it from a terminal |
| [11:54:45] | rileyp: | perhaps I change screen res set up vlc and the drop back.. |
| [11:54:52] | rileyp: | *then |
| [11:58:06] | rileyp: | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1367684 yay |
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| [15:00:14] | bumblebeebat: | Does anyone know what "LoadFromScheduler(): Error, called from backend." in the backend logs means |
| [15:01:14] | wagnerrp: | sounds like some sort of sanity check against a bit of code that is never supposed to be run by the backend |
| [15:02:46] | bumblebeebat: | it sort of does, haha |
| [15:03:41] | bumblebeebat: | Does that error normally occur? |
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| [15:05:43] | bumblebeebat: | I recently set up a new hard drive. I think I set the shares up properly. |
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| [15:06:25] | bumblebeebat: | I set the owner:group to mythtv:mythtv and the permissions to 777 |
| [15:08:42] | sphery: | bumblebeebat: it's an error in the code that was fixed in unstable, but it won't cause it problems |
| [15:08:51] | sphery: | so just ignore it |
| [15:09:15] | bumblebeebat: | Thanks sphery |
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| [15:42:59] | j-rod: | rsn, lirc_zilog *should* support blasting arbitrary commands, as well as being able to receive both rc5 and rc6... |
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| [15:57:28] | wagnerrp: | sphery: do you remember an old problem where a frontend crashed during livetv would not terminate the session, and the backend would not clean up for itself, leaving a hung tuner? |
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| [16:14:35] | wagnerrp: | sphery: looks liek 2960 |
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| [18:39:24] | justinh: | hahaha 0.19 |
| [18:39:34] | justinh: | I thought *I* was behind the times |
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| [18:51:57] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [18:52:13] | justinh: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/487454 |
| [18:53:37] | wagnerrp: | im wondering how hes getting guide data now that zap2it labs shut down |
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| [18:54:49] | momelod: | greetings channel. |
| [18:55:05] | momelod: | is there a way to delete all the meta-data for videos from the db? |
| [18:55:25] | wagnerrp: | what version are you running? |
| [18:55:45] | justinh: | arghh UBUNTU you SUCK |
| [18:55:54] | justinh: | upgrading has borked my frontend |
| [18:56:06] | wagnerrp: | bork bork bork |
| [18:56:22] | justinh: | stupid wrapper script |
| [18:56:54] | momelod: | wagnerrp: 0.24 |
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| [18:56:58] | justinh: | oh and mythvideo can't see the backend. Joy |
| [18:57:25] | wagnerrp: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/406462#406462 |
| [18:57:26] | justinh: | "The response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION was empty. This happens when the backend is too busy to respond, or has deadlocked in due to bugs or hardware failure. |
| [18:58:03] | wagnerrp: | that infamous issue |
| [18:58:15] | wagnerrp: | justinh: youre in luck! |
| [18:58:26] | wagnerrp: | none of us can reliably make that happen |
| [18:58:33] | momelod: | wagnerrp, thanks for the link! |
| [18:58:36] | wagnerrp: | so that means you get to fix it! |
| [18:58:37] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [18:58:59] | justinh: | nor can I now. restarted the backend & it's fine |
| [19:03:54] | justinh: | I've been hammering the backend with frontend restarts & going in & out of various db quering screens today, most of the day though |
| [19:03:58] | justinh: | and last night |
| [19:04:04] | justinh: | maybe that has a bearing on it |
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| [19:12:26] | justinh: | anyway I think it's time to kill the frickin wrapper. I don't need no steenkin wrapper |
| [19:12:43] | justinh: | AFAIK this was the 1st run of mythfrontend on the remote frontend under the wrapper anyway |
| [19:14:10] | justinh: | and this is why I generally don't use packages. just gimme the programs, don't do yo fancy biz! |
| [19:15:22] | laga: | well, don't use the packages then |
| [19:15:33] | laga: | ;) |
| [19:15:57] | laga: | still not sure what to use on the new build. perhaps arch, but rolling release is not that great for a fire & forget box |
| [19:16:18] | justinh: | I won't use ubuntu packaged mythtv in future. I'm sure of that now |
| [19:16:33] | justinh: | mythbuntu/ubuntu/whatevs ;) |
| [19:17:13] | justinh: | I can see how a lot of the stuff is intended to help new users & keep things simple but... it's just a layer of obsfurcation to me |
| [19:17:29] | laga: | it's the old trade-off. |
| [19:17:31] | justinh: | mind having said that I do like the MCC |
| [19:18:10] | justinh: | come to think, it didn't try & mess up my database credentials either :) |
| [19:18:32] | laga: | you can also just start mythfrontend.real |
| [19:18:41] | justinh: | yeah |
| [19:18:48] | justinh: | I'll edit my autostart thing to do that |
| [19:19:32] | justinh: | and done :) |
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| [19:24:33] | justinh: | wonder if it's a great idea to make mythfrontend power down from the TV's 'power' IR code – considering we have a button prodding toddler |
| [19:24:59] | justinh: | not that he can't turn the frontend off himself now. whatever happened to cases with those key switches anyway? |
| [19:25:05] | laga: | congrats on the toddler ;) |
| [19:25:22] | justinh: | another one on the way now too. we should find out how this keeps happening |
| [19:25:46] | laga: | you need to stop mess with the wrapper scripts |
| [19:26:40] | justinh: | 1st one, Thomas.. turns one on Wednesday. time has flown |
| [19:26:49] | laga: | heh |
| [19:27:05] | laga: | i'm moving in with the GF next wednesday. time is indeeding passing |
| [19:27:21] | justinh: | hahaha. Life over man, life over :P |
| [19:27:31] | laga: | yep |
| [19:28:01] | justinh: | nah, congrats too. not all wimmin are snakes good at emptying bank accounts & being high maintenance ;-) |
| [19:28:20] | laga: | i hope so |
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| [19:39:06] | andreax1: | Anyone else getting a non functional livetv in mythtv master (v0.25pre-2964-g7ad539e) and alike a week ago? |
| [19:40:50] | sphery: | while I don't use unstable/development code and I don't use Live TV, you may find that more people can point you in the right way if you expand on the specific meaning of non-functional. |
| [19:42:04] | laga: | someone told me that color reproduction on LED-backlit TVs is worse than on CFL-backlit TVs. is there any truth to that? |
| [19:42:21] | wagnerrp: | of course |
| [19:42:27] | sphery: | maybe you just need a Quattro! |
| [19:42:38] | wagnerrp: | nice CFLs > crappy LEDs |
| [19:42:49] | wagnerrp: | of course nice LCDs > nice CFLs |
| [19:43:13] | sphery: | wagnerrp: but, in general, doesn't the public like the less-realistic color tones of LED-backlit displays? |
| [19:43:18] | laga: | wagnerrp: as always, there is no single truth. |
| [19:43:39] | wagnerrp: | sphery: less realistic? |
| [19:43:44] | andreax1: | I choice livetv in the main menu, screen becomes black with the message "please wait". Then i can see the osd for alike 500ms, then it jumps back to the main menu with a requester "Error openeing buffer" (dunno the exact english wording, cause my mythtv is set to german lang). |
| [19:44:26] | sphery: | whel, whatever short word you would use to describe "color reproduction on LED-backlit TVs is worse than on CFL-backlit TVs" |
| [19:44:52] | ** sphery types like Stewie talks ** | |
| [19:44:58] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i dont see how |
| [19:45:11] | sphery: | ok so how is it worse? |
| [19:45:12] | wagnerrp: | unless again, theyre cheap LEDs |
| [19:45:48] | wagnerrp: | LEDs function by passing power through a silicon bandgap, the silicon is energized, and light is emitted based off the size of the bandgap |
| [19:46:07] | wagnerrp: | so, your light color is determined by the distribution of such gaps |
| [19:46:37] | wagnerrp: | a good LED would distribute those so as to emit a 'realistic' color |
| [19:47:02] | wagnerrp: | CFLs on the other hand energize a phosphor material on the shell of the bulb |
| [19:47:14] | wagnerrp: | so you are limited to whatever colors your phosphor material emits |
| [19:47:35] | sphery: | so is "07.29 15:42:49 <+wagnerrp> of course nice LCDs > nice CFLs" a typo meaning LEDs? |
| [19:47:52] | wagnerrp: | erm... yeah |
| [19:47:59] | wagnerrp: | nice LEDs > nice CFLs |
| [19:48:30] | sphery: | ok, then my question was based thinking your typo wasn't a typo |
| [19:49:21] | laga: | wagnerrp: don't white LEDs also use phosphor material to turn blue light into white light? |
| [19:49:50] | wagnerrp: | phosphor materials dont emit white light |
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| [19:50:21] | sphery: | I'll just go back to my belief that LCD TVs suck and wait for my NED TV |
| [19:50:45] | laga: | i'm just trying to buy a TV. sigh. |
| [19:52:45] | sphery: | this seems to indicate that they do use blue light + phosphor to simulate white: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backlight#LED_backlights |
| [19:53:08] | Disputin (Disputin!~disp@67.23.204.2) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [19:53:14] | sphery: | while others use rgb leds |
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| [19:54:10] | wagnerrp: | im saying there no single chemical that will output white |
| [19:54:24] | wagnerrp: | you need a number of chemicals all emitting in their own spectrum |
| [19:54:39] | wagnerrp: | and you simply use a blue LED for the same principle of UV CFLs |
| [19:54:44] | sphery: | you just need 3 colors... red, green, and blue |
| [19:54:55] | wagnerrp: | its sufficiently energetic to energize the phosphor |
| [19:54:55] | sphery: | and direct emission (meaning NED :) |
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| [19:58:35] | stuartm: | did anyone see those sets using 4 colours, RGBY, first hand? Were they any good? |
| [19:58:58] | wagnerrp: | oh yes! |
| [19:59:01] | wagnerrp: | </sulu> |
| [19:59:47] | wagnerrp: | that man has too deep a voice for a little asian |
| [19:59:51] | wagnerrp: | its disturbing |
| [20:00:11] | sphery: | I saw one at a store, but it was showing a yellow video and wasn't too exciting |
| [20:00:41] | sphery: | they did have a magnifying "plastic" in the corner that let you see the sub pixels--including the yellow ones |
| [20:00:46] | wagnerrp: | basically, the video data has no yellow, so the best its doing is interpolating |
| [20:00:58] | wagnerrp: | is it four wide? or a square pattern? |
| [20:01:14] | sphery: | it was just a bunch of dots :) |
| [20:03:08] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: right, they advertised it on the basis that they could produce a more accurate yellow with dedicated pixels than by combining the wavelengths from the RGB components alone |
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| [20:03:27] | wagnerrp: | but there is no yellow to be accurate about |
| [20:03:30] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: iirc it was a square |
| [20:03:54] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, "Oh my!" is the quote |
| [20:04:13] | wagnerrp: | actually, i dont know that much about YUV to make that statement |
| [20:04:13] | sphery: | heh, yeah... "Oh, yes!" is the Kool-Aid man. |
| [20:04:27] | wagnerrp: | kool-aid man is 'oh yeah!' |
| [20:04:33] | sphery: | ah, right |
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| [20:08:13] | justinh: | oooh nooo |
| [20:08:13] | stuartm: | the jug guy who crashes through the walls in Family Guy? |
| [20:08:28] | laga: | wasn't that duff man? |
| [20:08:36] | wagnerrp: | that was sumpsons |
| [20:08:37] | kormoc: | Kool-aid man was first! |
| [20:08:40] | wagnerrp: | simpsons |
| [20:09:14] | justinh: | what *is* kool-aid anyway? |
| [20:09:21] | ** justinh googles ** | |
| [20:09:40] | kormoc: | justinh, sugar water with fake fruit flavor and vibrant colors |
| [20:10:03] | laga: | are the colors better than with LED backlight? |
| [20:10:29] | stuartm: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLE_IFUCCeM |
| [20:10:43] | kormoc: | heh |
| [20:10:56] | kormoc: | it's often used as hair dye when in middle school/high school |
| [20:10:58] | justinh: | I still haven't seen my favourite episode of FG for yonks |
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| [20:11:10] | justinh: | where Chris ends up in the A-Ha video |
| [20:11:24] | justinh: | best. clip. ever |
| [20:11:44] | kormoc: | hadees, yeah |
| [20:12:28] | kormoc: | justinh, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSAHQXMwMnc |
| [20:12:55] | kormoc: | horrible quality alas |
| [20:13:04] | sphery: | laga: depends on whether your water source is high in phosphor content |
| [20:13:24] | justinh: | ROFL. A CAM of a TV show |
| [20:13:45] | justinh: | even better. A rolling shutter CAM |
| [20:14:31] | ** justinh logs in to comment. "A CAM? YOU SUCK" ** | |
| [20:14:49] | sphery: | here's one with the reflection of the window: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0azcVbAbek |
| [20:15:24] | kormoc: | We are truly in the digital age |
| [20:15:25] | sphery: | If I had CSI's image processing, I'd enhance to find the picture of the guy who made that one and post it for shame |
| [20:15:37] | justinh: | yeah I guess in hindsight it's better to close the analogue hole after all |
| [20:15:56] | sphery: | kormoc: that was actually the mechanism that the DVD CCA recommended the Librarian of Congress tell educators to use for getting clips off DVDs |
| [20:16:06] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [20:17:22] | justinh: | I mean I know I used to record off the radio when I was a kid by putting a mic next to a speaker but at least I took both parts into a quiet room |
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| [20:18:00] | justinh: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFbdZE22FZg&feature=related with a tripod! |
| [20:18:21] | sphery: | kormoc: http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/07/mpaa-sugge . . . ing-dvds-se/ |
| [20:18:27] | sphery: | guess it was the MPAA |
| [20:18:44] | justinh: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CM__TbovYA&feature=related and one during an earthquake |
| [20:18:59] | justinh: | youtube sucks |
| [20:20:52] | kormoc: | but but but the monies on the youtubez! |
| [20:21:49] | justinh: | heh. yeah right |
| [20:22:13] | justinh: | I prefer vimeo anyway. less noobs |
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| [20:29:07] | AndyCap: | ah, yes, the tubes, |
| [20:32:43] | AndyCap: | "what's your little tube site bringing in for all that time and effort you're expending screwing everyone over" |
| [20:32:46] | AndyCap: | O_o |
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| [20:34:30] | stuartm: | sphery: they were applying the photocopy logic to video, that the result ends up being a degraded version of the original, usable but not something that anyone would want to keep instead of owning the original (if they liked the product enough to buy the original in the first place) |
| [20:35:56] | AndyCap: | sounds like an argument that works in favour of movie pirates |
| [20:37:17] | stuartm: | tbh they would have got further with that argument if they'd suggested that ripping software should splash a banner and/or splice in a 'This is a copy' segment once for every 2 minutes of video – same end result but less ridiculous |
| [20:38:12] | sphery: | yeah, it was definitely a ridiculous solution |
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| [21:20:13] | justinh: | ahh. Cachaca time! |
| [21:20:40] | wagnerrp: | youre going to drink in front of your wife? |
| [21:20:43] | wagnerrp: | mocking her with it? |
| [21:20:48] | justinh: | lol |
| [21:20:53] | wagnerrp: | look at this, you cant have any! |
| [21:21:02] | justinh: | she doesn't like good stuff anyway |
| [21:23:25] | justinh: | mmm this Sagatiba is better than the other muck I got from a budget supermarket |
| [21:25:21] | stuartm: | Didldidi? |
| [21:27:22] | justinh: | yeh |
| [21:27:41] | justinh: | my wussy tongue isn't suited to its harsh tones |
| [21:28:31] | wagnerrp: | its harshing your mellow? |
| [21:29:25] | justinh: | okay then.. what does rectype 'Re' mean? |
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| [21:33:07] | justinh: | ah |
| [21:33:20] | justinh: | rectype is the string. I want rectype letter |
| [21:33:34] | justinh: | serves me right for copying a default :P |
| [21:34:54] | justinh: | line 1440 of default-wide schedule-ui.xml needs changed to <textarea name="rectypechar" from="buttontext"> from <textarea name="rectype" from="buttontext"> :-) |
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| [23:36:16] | stuartm: | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07/29/aptiquant_iq_survey/ |
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| [23:44:32] | wagnerrp: | i wonder why chrome frame ranks so high |
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| [23:44:55] | wagnerrp: | seems to me if you want to use chrome, you just freaking use chrome |
| [23:45:01] | wagnerrp: | and dont try to embed it in IE |
| [23:45:33] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: IE only shops? |
| [23:46:27] | wagnerrp: | can you install a module without being able to install a program? |
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| [23:50:42] | stuartm: | well I assuming here it's not firms stopping their users from installing programs, but ones who use IE only internal apps – therefore instead of using two different browsers people make the choice of using the plugin |
| [23:51:13] | stuartm: | but whether that's even possible I cannot say |
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