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Wednesday, July 27th, 2011, 00:03 UTC

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skd5aner:

lots of remotes with a live tv button it now – mine has a physical live tv button – works well with the jump point

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skd5aner:

s/it/on it

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skd5aner:

although mythfrontend currently segfaults about 20% of the time when launching live tv – heh

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wagnerrp:

that'll teach you not to use it

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wagnerrp:

it's really an experiment in social engineering

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skd5aner:

I assumed it might be a feature

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skd5aner:

although, surprisingly enough – using mythwelcome has really helped in recovering when mythfrontend crashes – instead of a segfault in mythfrontend ending the xsession and falling back to the gdm autologin page, it falls back to mythwelcome and I can launch mythfrontend again about 20x faster

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sphery:

I originally mapped the TV button on my remote to Live TV, but then realized I /never/ use Live TV and that going to Watch Recordings makes more sense--after all, it's how /I/ watch TV

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wagnerrp:

my remote has a livetv AND a recorded tv button

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** wagnerrp farts perfume and poops skittles **

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: get rid of mythwelcome, get rid of gdm

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wagnerrp:

just use inittab to dedicate a terminal to X/mythfrontend

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wagnerrp:

have inittab start x, have xinitrc start mythfrontend

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wagnerrp:

when mythfrontend crashes, it takes down X, and inittab cycles it back up

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: my remote has a physical "live tv" button and an infinite number of logical touch screen buttons I can create... one of them is "watch recordings" – remote pissing contest – ENGAGE!

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: yea, I do use .xsession to instantiate mythwelcome (or mythfrontend)

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skd5aner:

Just historically have leveraged GDM to launch a basic xession within fvwm

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skd5aner:

probably could optimize that somewhat I'm sure

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sphery:

gdm isn't bad as far as display managers go

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sphery:

at least you're not starting gnome with it

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sphery:

and it's a simple auto-login and auto-start solution

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sphery:

(and sets up a proper login environment with proper env vars)

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skd5aner:

yea, that was the whole intent – and, I started using it when I switched from Debian to Ubuntu back around 2006, I just ripped out gnome

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skd5aner:

so, it's more so just the fact that it's how I set it up 5 years ago... ain't broke, don't fix it

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sphery:

yeah

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skd5aner:

hmm, anyone played with the spotify plugin someone announced on the ml list yesterday?

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wagnerrp:

considering a subscription?

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sphery:

I got a spotify invitation and tried the free service and didn't like it at all

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sphery:

it's all about playing a playlist you create

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sphery:

when I just want music that I like to play

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sphery:

I'm a pandora man

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wagnerrp:

yes yes, we know you like pandora's box

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wagnerrp:

pervert...

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sphery:

hey, wait, that's not what I was saying

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skd5aner:

I used to be a last.fm guy, but those folks have really just given up

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: in what way?

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skd5aner:

I still leverage them to keep track of playcounts across players (which would be nice if mythmusic could "scrobble" as well), but beyond that – meh

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sphery:

I will say that the one problem I've found with Pandora is that they don't have My Friend Steve...

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sphery:

I'm trying to find out if I can do "requests"

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: their streaming services have kind of went to crap, they went mostly subscription base, and there have been a ton of issues with their website and services over the years that they simply ignore – they just seem to not really care too much in enhancing the service

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, i never used their streaming

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wagnerrp:

just their music recommendation system

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skd5aner:

it wasn't ever as good as pandora, but it was similiar

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skd5aner:

I use a plugin for musicbrainz's picard tagger that will actually set genre's for files based on tag popularity for the artist and track...acceptable tags are compared against a whitelist of genres

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sphery:

http://blog.pandora.com/faq/contents/30.html

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sphery:

wow, I can suggest it!

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wagnerrp:

i dont think the community is worse off... http://www.mythtvtalk.com/newbie-mythtv-setup-fedora-15-a-14927/

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skd5aner:

http://forums.musicbrainz.org/viewtopic.php?id=1795

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skd5aner:

I know that was stuartm's main complaint against musicbrainz, lack of genre data

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skd5aner:

but the plugin works really well – sets major and minor tags, as well as location, mood, etc

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skd5aner:

some of them require custom ID3 fields, which are basically worthless

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skd5aner:

but, cool none the less

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skd5aner:

I always thought it might be cool to take on the project of getting mythmusic capable of scrobbling plays to last.fm – but I never wanted to touch mythmusic since it's been in limbo for so long

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skd5aner:

I thought it'd be a good project for me to learn on – I wouldn't think it'd be that hard

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wagnerrp:

yeah, paul's rewrite is always around the corner

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skd5aner:

infinitely

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sphery:

wagnerrp: agreed... not a big loss

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wagnerrp:

although apparently hes actually been running it for about 7 months now

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skd5aner:

has anyone tried to convience him to upload whatever it is he's already worked on in a branch?

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skd5aner:

at least that way others can look at it and maybe contribute?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: even better... http://www.mythtvtalk.com/alter-colours-14928/

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: thats always a mixed blessing

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skd5aner:

or is the expectation that he'll only reveal the work when he's completely finished?

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wagnerrp:

sure, others can recommend things, contribute, etc..

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wagnerrp:

but more than likely, youll get a bunch of 'youre doing it wrong'

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wagnerrp:

'thats ugly'

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wagnerrp:

and 'can you add torrent support'

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skd5aner:

yea, but if he just holds on to something forever it's potentially just going to get stale... mythmusic can never get "better" if it's sitting in someone's back pocket. Everyone else (devs) will just wait perpetually

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skd5aner:

not contributing anything to the current code because they don't want to put work into dead code

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skd5aner:

fine balance, I'm sure...

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skd5aner:

not trying to criticize paul or anything, because I'm glad he's taken on the challenge – and it seems to be a pretty hefty one to try and get right

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skd5aner:

and I'm sure as heck not capable of doing it, so :)

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skd5aner:

I'm just wondering – how do you properly balance the concept of an open development model with group contributions versus an open-source model where each section is owned by the person who "called it" and everything has to go through that person – that's not really "open". I guess the former invites chaos and the latter invites control

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skd5aner:

anyway – was just curious – I enjoy mythmusic and will just wait patiently for whatever comes next

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tgm4883:

looking at hulu.xml for MNV, is there a way to setup Hulu Plus credentials?

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wagnerrp:

you need to use cookies

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wagnerrp:

or maybe something else

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wagnerrp:

its something that mythbrowser is not yet capable of controlling

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, ah

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tgm4883:

I was a little confused then by the text in hulu.xml

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, wow... nothing like making a good first impression

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sphery:

ok, the biggest problem with Pandora... I hate to turn off the music during a good song, so...

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Twiggy2cents:

ugh I have got to find a better way to play ut3 on the ps3. Sitting on my knees at a coffee table KILLS

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Twiggy2cents:

I need a small portable desk

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tgm4883:

sphery, no, the biggest problem with Pandora type services, a song will come one while your working and your be like "this is a catchy song", so you look at what it is and you are listening to Britney Spears

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tgm4883:

or so I heard that happens.......

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tgm4883:

:/

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[R]:

rofl

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sphery:

tgm4883: heh, that too

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sphery:

and then you have to try to figure out what Pandora considers similar to that song so you don't have to "Love" the one you're embarrassed of

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tgm4883:

odd, on 10.04, using MNV to watch hulu, I get sound no video. Install chromium-browser, now works flawlessly in MNV

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wagnerrp:

sphery: wonder if zdman is ever going to make it over here

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wagnerrp:

i dont understand why people come in, ask these questions, and then go idle

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wagnerrp:

been 25 minutes and he hasnt checked the channel

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sphery:

heh, seems he just noticed the reply

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sphery:

zdman: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview

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sphery:

but the short answer is, yes

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sphery:

you can connect as many frontends as you like/as your network allows

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sphery:

and each can watch a different show from recordings

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zdman:

but not live tv

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sphery:

or can watch as many live tv instances as you have capture cards

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wagnerrp:

you can have as many use livetv as you have tuners

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wagnerrp:

bah, you got me that time

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zdman:

so say, I have 1 set top box, I can split the cable and send it to multiple capture cards?

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wagnerrp:

you have one set-top-box...

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wagnerrp:

as in you have one cable box, using digital cable?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: though I should have said tuners, like you did--since it does work with virtual tuners, too

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wagnerrp:

you intend to capture the analog output from the STB?

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zdman:

yah, 1 digital cable box

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sphery:

(was thinking virtual capture cards, but since they made both cards and inputs virtual...)

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sphery:

zdman: the set top box is your tuner

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sphery:

so that's 1

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wagnerrp:

if you intend to capture from one digital cable box, that cable box can only output one show at a time

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zdman:

ooooh

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zdman:

I guess that would be the same for Uverse then too

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wagnerrp:

you could split the output to multiple capture cards, but it would be to no avail

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sphery:

you could likely use a digital tuner to get some channels

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sphery:

but they would only be the ClearQAM ones--which are likely only your local channels

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wagnerrp:

you're masked, where are you located?

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sphery:

zdman: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

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wagnerrp:

us? canada? europe? australia?

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zdman:

US

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wagnerrp:

in the US, you will get at least the local 'must carry' channels, clear and unencrypted

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zdman:

I was thinking about going ATT Uverse

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wagnerrp:

meaning just about all of your local broadcast channels will be available with a clear QAM tuner

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sphery:

pretty sure UVerse requires a STB for everything

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wagnerrp:

beyond that, its up to your cable provider

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zdman:

yah

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wagnerrp:

http://www.silicondust.com/support/channels

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sphery:

which means 1 STB per live tv instance

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zdman:

geeze

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wagnerrp:

input your zip code, get a list of clear qam channels

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zdman:

thats terrible

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zdman:

ok

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sphery:

that said, if you start using MythTV, and you learn to use it right, you'll never use Live TV

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sphery:

you'll record anything you may possibly ever want to watch and only watch recordings

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zdman:

all hte clear qam channels suck

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zdman:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

now the broadcast networks, it is beneficial to have multiple tuners, since they generally only show a program once

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sphery:

and 10 different frontends can all watch the same recording at the same time--with each able to pause, rewind, fast forward, skip independently of the others

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sphery:

and you can even watch recordings in progress

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wagnerrp:

cable networks are likely to show a program multiple times per week

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wagnerrp:

so if you dont pick something up the first showing due to a conflict

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wagnerrp:

you can probably pick it up at some later date

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sphery:

why you never need Live TV: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/387302#387302

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zdman:

ohh ok

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wagnerrp:

so if you dont use livetv, you can generally get by with fewer tuners

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zdman:

well, i'd have to get tons of set top boxes

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zdman:

so i think i'm just going the 1 route

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zdman:

now

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zdman:

that I understand this more

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sphery:

read the executive overview and recording digital cable pages

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zdman:

I just thought I could connect Uverse directly to PC with myth tv

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sphery:

well worth the time

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wagnerrp:

no, uverse is encrypted, and can only be used by their STBs

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wagnerrp:

no 3rd party hardware or software is allowed to access the system

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zdman:

oh

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zdman:

so not possible to use mythtv to control the uverse stb then

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sphery:

zdman: note, also, that if you want HDTV, you'll need to use the HD-PVR and Component outputs on the Uverse STB

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wagnerrp:

yes, you can do that

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wagnerrp:

you can use an IR blaster to allow mythtv to control an STB

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sphery:

+ LIRC

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zdman:

oh ok

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zdman:

ooooh I see what you're saying now

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zdman:

I get it

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zdman:

I could technically do this. have my Uverse STB go to my mythv server and just record everything, but only 1 channel at a time

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zdman:

and then have the client myth tv machines access the recorded stuff

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wagnerrp:

one STB, one capture card, you could record one channel at a time

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zdman:

and that could be all different

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wagnerrp:

however you can run as many STBs and capture cards as you can fit into a computer

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zdman:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

and then if you want more, you can build another slave backend

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zdman:

I see now

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zdman:

oh ic

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sphery:

it's a great system once you set it up

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zdman:

yah

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zdman:

it sounds good

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sphery:

but it's more of a hobby than an "out of the box DVR solution"

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zdman:

oh

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sphery:

and, unless you do it wrong, it's not cheap

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sphery:

it's Free, but far from free

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zdman:

the only reason i was interested, was because I'm thinking of upgrading my internet

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zdman:

to Att uverse

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zdman:

and they were offering tv packages

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zdman:

so I was trying to figure out if its worth getting it and try to use myth tv

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sphery:

heh, AT&T came within 2 miles of my house, then stopped their expansion

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zdman:

but... now it seems like its not worth it

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sphery:

what do you do for TV, now?

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zdman:

i use the internet

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sphery:

ahhh

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zdman:

I dont watch tv

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zdman:

I figured, i'd like it, if it was not soo controlled by the service providers

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sphery:

well, I can say that MythTV is head and shoulders above Hulu when it comes to watching TV experience

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zdman:

but seems like its still too controlled

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zdman:

yah

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sphery:

ah, yeah, they are in control of how you access it

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zdman:

so same with digital cable?

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sphery:

at least with MythTV, once you access it (record it), you're in control of when/where you watch

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sphery:

and you can have 12TB of storage

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zdman:

I can only watch 1 channel at time?

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sphery:

and months of recorded content

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sphery:

and your own backup strategy

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sphery:

and such

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zdman:

yah, true

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wagnerrp:

with digital cable, you have some more options open

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wagnerrp:

some providers will unencrypt basic cable... although apparently not yours

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sphery:

but will still boil down to STB for "premium" content and only ClearQAM without STB

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zdman:

wait, how do you know?

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wagnerrp:

there are also several cablecard tuners on the market, or coming on the market shortly

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wagnerrp:

zdman: you said all the channels were crap

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zdman:

oh ok

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zdman:

hehe

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zdman:

yah

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sphery:

ah, yeah, the cablecard ones will allow some more options--at least for a short time

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zdman:

the basic channles are wrothless

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wagnerrp:

mythtv supports the hdhomerun prime right now

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sphery:

(until Hollywood stops that train :)

[03:28:13]

wagnerrp:

and mythtv will likely be getting support for the infinitv before 0.25

[03:28:28]

wagnerrp:

those will allow you to access whatever 'copy freely' channels your provider offers

[03:28:35]

wagnerrp:

which may be everything but the premiums

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wagnerrp:

or it may be nothing

[03:29:04]

zdman:

wait, so the hdhomerun prime is just a cable tuner card?

[03:29:09]

zdman:

converts your pc into STB?

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sphery:

it's an ethernet-connected "capture device" into which you can insert a cablecard

[03:30:18]

zdman:

oooh ok

[03:30:24]

sphery:

it becomes an ethernet-connected/outputting STB

[03:30:37]

sphery:

but only allows MythTV to access the "copy freely" shows

[03:30:46]

zdman:

oh

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sphery:

(where one show on a channel could be copy freely and the one that follows could, theoretically, be "copy once" or "copy never", meaning you couldn't access the latter)

[03:31:21]

sphery:

you can only get copy freely

[03:31:39]

sphery:

most of the time, it will likely be set to the same flag for all shows on a channel, though

[03:31:45]

sphery:

at least, for now

[03:31:48]

zdman:

ok, so one last question

[03:31:59]

zdman:

could i use both mythtv in conjunction with orb?

[03:32:29]

zdman:

i'm just curious what will happen if both tried to access the STB for live tv at the same time

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sphery:

no clue what orb is, but mythtv expects to have sole control of the STB when it's running

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zdman:

oh ok

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sphery:

so if you wanted to use something else that wanted to use your STB, you'd have to shut down mythtv (specifically mythbackend)

[03:33:48]

zdman:

so I'm going to be able to control the STB from mythtv to watch live tv even though its 1 stream (channel) at a time

[03:34:05]

zdman:

I dont have to use the STB remote to control it right?

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sphery:

right, one frontend could be in control of Live TV

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sphery:

and MythTV will use LIRC to send signals to the STB

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sphery:

so you don't need to use the STB remote)

[03:34:34]

zdman:

so what will happen if multiple frontends tried?

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wagnerrp:

you control the frontend, the livetv session tells the backend what channel it wants, and the backend calls a script you provide to change channels on the STB

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sphery:

the 2nd one would be told that all tuners in use and asked if they want to watch a recording, instead

[03:35:38]

sphery:

(and, really, a savvy mythtv user would know they could go to Watch Recordings, tell it to show Live TV shows, and watch the Live TV recording in progress, if they wanted...

[03:35:52]

sphery:

but a savvy mythtv user wouldn't ever watch Live TV, so... :)

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awalls:

hey now..

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zdman:

haha

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zdman:

ok understood

[03:36:37]

zdman:

nice nice

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sphery:

heh, one day I'll convert the entire world to my philosophy

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zdman:

I get it now, yah, I can see why this stuff, can really become costly

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zdman:

gotta build a entire computer just to run this thing all the time

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** mag0o still watches live tv to fill empty space, and records what the wife and kids want to watch, though live tv is done via live tv, not myth :) **

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sphery:

yeah, the Uverse DVR is likely much cheaper (since with MythTV, you still need the Uverse STB /plus/ other equipment)

[03:37:49]

** awalls perceives himself much savvier than perhaps he should ;) **

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zdman:

so say you're watching live tv

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sphery:

and since you're probably paying about $10/mo for the DVR vs $6/mo for the STB...

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sphery:

assuming they even offer non-DVR STBs

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zdman:

and a scheduled recording comes on in 5 min. will it warn you? or just auto change channel and start recording?

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sphery:

that said, I think Uverse has some quad-tuner DVR system that allows you to network it and allows streaming of recordings between the different STBs on the different TVs... so it sounds like it has much of the niceness that MythTV has had since 2001...)

[03:39:52]

sphery:

but it's using their stbs and their software and only what customization they allow

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zdman:

yeah, and thats the problem

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zdman:

their customizations i bet are terrible

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wagnerrp:

sphery: 2002

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sphery:

and that may be significantly cheaper than 4x uverse STBs + 4x HD-PVRs + 4x computers for frontends + however many HDDs

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sphery:

and possibly more computers, if you use separate/dedicated backend(s) systems

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zdman:

I can't stand a monthly fee though... its like they're renting it to me

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, thought it was 3 years before I started with it

[03:42:04]

sphery:

Apr 2002... I started in Feb 2004, so I was a relatively early adopter

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zdman:

so say you're watching live tv

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zdman:

and a scheduled recording comes on in 5 min. will it warn you? or just auto change channel and start recording

[03:42:35]

zdman:

or just dont record at all, and let you keep watching live tv

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sphery:

it will warn you and ask if you want to cancel the recording or watch as it records

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zdman:

ooh ok

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sphery:

that said, there are bug reports saying the warning doesn't work

[03:42:54]

zdman:

so thats like windows media center

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zdman:

oh ok

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sphery:

I've never looked into it, because--and this may come as a surprise to you--I never use Live TV :)

[03:43:18]

zdman:

haha

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zdman:

well live tv is good for sports

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zdman:

is my only reason to use it

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sphery:

you didn't read my manifesto!!!!

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/387302#387302

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zdman:

oh

[03:43:40]

zdman:

haha

[03:43:40]

zdman:

sorry

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sphery:

why Live TV is /wrong/ for sports (and news)

[03:44:08]

sphery:

heh, not a problem--it's not something you have to read

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zdman:

geeze, you went crazy on that post

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zdman:

haha

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sphery:

but I really think that recordings are better for sports and news and everything else

[03:44:39]

sphery:

heh, yeah, I have a bit of a reputation for going crazy on posts :)

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zdman:

honestly, if I might as well just download online what others have recorded

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zdman:

and forget tv all together

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sphery:

uhh, no discussion of such here

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Twiggy2cents:

sphery, is supernatural coming back?

[03:45:44]

zdman:

I was jk

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zdman:

hehe

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sphery:

Twiggy2cents: last I heard it was definitely renewed...

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sphery:

now I'm worried

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Twiggy2cents:

I was just wondering

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Twiggy2cents:

It was such a weird ending

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zdman:

anyways thanks sphery for your help, I understand now

[03:46:32]

sphery:

it's on the renewal list at http://www.tv.com/whats-renewed-whats-cancele . . . y/25402.html

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Twiggy2cents:

It seemed like it could be played as a series ender or a season ender

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sphery:

I haven't watched the final 2 episodes, yet

[03:47:03]

sphery:

(don't want the season to end :)

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sphery:

but I think they wrote it such that it could serve as a series end if it wasn't renewed

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sphery:

Twiggy2cents: so, on Pandora I created a Supernatural Radio station by putting in the songs that were used in (especially the first few seasons of) Supernatural

[03:49:09]

Twiggy2cents:

are you that far behind? Or are you waiting to watch them prior to the season premiere?

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sphery:

zdman: good luck, and whatever you end up going with, enjoy!

[03:49:31]

sphery:

I've been saving them on purpose

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sphery:

I want to watch them when I'm focused and have no distractions

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sphery:

and am awake enough :)

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Twiggy2cents:

sphery, LOL. I hate pandora. Or really I hate flash. I use my atom netbook at work and used to use pandora. It used 3/4 of my computers resources. Plus when you listen to pandora for 8hours it gets repetitive

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Twiggy2cents:

I end up with a quick mix of 8 or 9 different stations before I delete them all and start over

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Twiggy2cents:

hmm the good wife must not be doing very well. Went from prime time to what ever night at 9 to sundays. Next season it will be pushed off the schedule completely.

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sphery:

heh, I never started watching that one

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sphery:

ended up deleting a couple seasons thinking I wouldn't get into it

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k-man:

afternoon all

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k-man:

how can I set up mythtv so I can switch between .24-fixes and master fairly easily?

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k-man:

for development purposes

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wagnerrp:

install to different paths

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k-man:

on an isolated dev machine

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wagnerrp:

with --prefix

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wagnerrp:

control the PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH

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sphery:

and have different databases

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wagnerrp:

that too

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wagnerrp:

which means either different users, or set HOME

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k-man:

so you can just set a home dir before launching the back end?

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k-man:

and front end

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wagnerrp:

yes

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sphery:

and different $HOME/.mythtv/config.xml that point to different DBs

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k-man:

ok

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hoolio:

anyone tried btrfs on a mythbackend?

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k-man:

do you guys do this?

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k-man:

bbiab

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wagnerrp:

no, i use separate jails on separate IPs for my dev backend

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mag0o:

k-man: here's a link I found a while back pertaining to that question http://www.squashedfrog.net/article.php?story=20080615193047206

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mag0o:

dunno how relevant it is now though

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sphery:

heh, that's stuarta's blog

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mag0o:

yeah

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mag0o:

which is why I saved it :)

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sphery:

ah, I thought you just found it through google or something

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mag0o:

according to delicious, i found it back in 2009 :)

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k-man:

thanks, ill read up on it

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k-man:

mag0o, I love delicious

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wagnerrp:

is it... delicious?

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k-man:

wagnerrp, sure is!

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k-man:

I noticed my fork of MythCenter from master, does not seem to work in mythmusic on fixes

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k-man:

well, it works – but I cannot navigate the menu if you press m in mythmusic

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wagnerrp:

well there have been 30 or so commits against mythcenter since the 0.24 branch

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wagnerrp:

its not unthinkable that one of them would have rendered it unusable against the old UI

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k-man:

hmm ok thanks – I'll try and see the changes and see if I can work it out

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justinh:

darnit. need to make my mind up about how best to upgrade my myth system. packages, or self-build? Compiling's no big deal but with so little time I don't want to have to do it twice

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justinh:

or.. self-built packages.. hmm

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wagnerrp:

you have multiple systems?

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justinh:

just two

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justinh:

& by the time I have a chance to do anything on the frontend it's time for my wife's stories

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k-man:

justinh, you could compile your own packages maybe? would that solve the problem?

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k-man:

oh – you said self built packages, don't mind me :)

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justinh:

yeah trying build-debs.sh now

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justinh:

arghh error: pathspec 'fixes/0.Version:' did not match any file(s) known to git.

[07:06:02]

justinh:

think I might've forgotten a path there. oops

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justinh:

tempted to email Richard Morton & tell him to lose his email signature. It SUCKS

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wagnerrp:

you suck! (forgive my brief response, it was written on an iphone)

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justinh:

bah it wasn't the lack of a path wot done it

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wagnerrp:

wait

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wagnerrp:

'please excuse brevity and pistakes'... you think that was intentional?

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justinh:

oh yeah definitely

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k-man:

don't some peole do some tricky thing where the netboot their frontends and they share their the filesystems from the fileserver/backend?

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wagnerrp:

what a douchy thing to do

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justinh:

k-man: yes. people who are too stingey to allocate a handful of GB to the frontend FS

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justinh:

k-man: people who invite a world of pain

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k-man:

justinh, on, I thought it might be somehow useful if you wanted to share your build between fe and be

[07:12:35]

k-man:

justinh, I agree though, sounds like a WoP to me too

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justinh:

k-man: it'd be easy enough just to make .deb files & put them on my NFS ;-)

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wagnerrp:

yes, you /can/ share filesystems, with another share or tmpfs layered on top of it for write access

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wagnerrp:

but many distros arent set up to handle that

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justinh:

is it just me or is this build script broken?

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wagnerrp:

youve got to rework all sorts of configs to use a write only root

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k-man:

someone I know has

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wagnerrp:

k-man: personally, ive got an iscsi image on my network for each of my frontends

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wagnerrp:

a special initrd mounts the image, and thats it

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k-man:

.. has "warm regards" as their regards line in their signature – personaly it makes me want to puke every time I read it. I havent worked out how to tell him yet

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wagnerrp:

from then on, the system thinks its booting off a local hard drive

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justinh:

k-man: eew. That's almost as bad as ((((((NAME)))))

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justinh:

oh that and HUGS

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justinh:

man, I totally want to punch people in the face when they send that

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wagnerrp:

XOXOXO justinh

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** wagnerrp hides from impending knife attack **

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justinh:

"I had some bad news today"... then they send "HUGS". Like **** off... doing that does NOT make me feel better

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justinh:

just say "sorry to hear about that. hope it works out okay". Is that all that much harder than typing 4 characters?

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justinh:

grr

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wagnerrp:

cant you feel their warmth over that cold copper?

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justinh:

doesn't help when it's some non-entity on FB I hardly even know & can't bear to spend much time with face to face

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justinh:

also tends to be the sort of person who dishes out said 'hugs' at the drop of a hat. Yeah tell you what, go to the Middle East & give everybody a HUG. That'll fix the whole thing

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justinh:

ugh. something tells me this build script is probably looking for newer versions of some parsing widget or other than I have

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justinh:

"error: pathspec 'fixes/0.Version:' did not match any file(s) known to git" seems to suggest that's the case

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justinh:

ahhh yes

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justinh:

parsing the debian changelog seems to be broken

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justinh:

ah screw it. I'll just add the super-duper repo whatever it is

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justinh:

I'm not wasting any more time fixing this

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justinh:

hmmm adding the mythbuntu repo only seems to have got me 0.23-fixes

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justinh:

sigh. well, here goes nothing

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justinh:

so far so good but mythweb is borked

[08:23:24]

justinh:

what?! /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb ? LAME

[08:25:47]

justinh:

it didn't rewrite my mythweb.conf, so I moved it, tried to dpkg-reconfigure mythweb .. still no dice.. so moved the old mythweb web dir & copied /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb to it

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justinh:

oh bloody GREAT. recordings are failing

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oobe:

what versions are you upgrading from and to just out of curiosity

[08:52:00]

justinh:

0.23 to 0.24

[08:52:35]

justinh:

DVB radio seems to be broken :-\

[08:54:31]

oobe:

you seem to have really bad luck or something went wrong

[08:54:48]

justinh:

TV seems fine

[08:54:56]

justinh:

radio recordings are failing

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justinh:

if anything went wrong, it was when I decided to go back to packages

[08:55:28]

justinh:

always having to fix an install after using them

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justinh:

good job I know what I'm doing or I'd be boned

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justinh:

2011-07–27 09:51:28.871 Updating status for "Shaun Keaveny" on cardid 2 (Tuning => Recorder Failed)

[08:57:55]

justinh:

recorder failed. informative

[09:01:26]

justinh:

2011-07–27 10:01:05.531 Only 0 video streams seen in PMT, but 1 are required.

[09:01:29]

justinh:

it's a RADIO channel

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justinh:

sigh

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justinh:

how the hell do regressions like this end up in mythtv? is nobody else using dvb radio?

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stuartm:

no-one else files tickets?

[09:07:31]

justinh:

heh.. I had an old 'radio' profile for DVB radio but that isn't selectable when you want to make a recording

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stuartm:

which version are you using? 0.24-fixes, 0.24.1, 0.24.0?

[09:08:23]

justinh:

0.24.1 from fixes/0.24 apparently

[09:09:45]

justinh:

trying something... let's see

[09:09:53]

justinh:

aha!

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justinh:

seems now the PID filtering is working & I had messed with recording profiles so 'default' was set to 'tvonly'

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justinh:

sorry for the noise

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justinh:

I'm surprised I even remembered I'd played with the profiles

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justinh:

setting 'default' to 'Normal' seems to have fixed it

[09:13:41]

justinh:

ah.. and I renamed 'low quality' to 'Radio' but it's still hard-coded to 'low quality' in the schedule settings pages. Ha

[09:18:00]

Shadow__X:

is low quality really that bad you have to name is radio?

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justinh:

so now let's see if that profile does what it says on the tin

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Shadow__X:

in my head i was thinking of am the entire time

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justinh:

no, you can call recording profiles anything you like but they'll always appear as 'default' 'livetv' 'high quality' or 'low quality' in the profile selector of a recording profile

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justinh:

I really need to get WoL going on my frontend again so I can tinker with it when I'm out of the house

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k-man:

are the mythmusic settings like the path to the music, stored per front end?

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stuartm:

no

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stuartm:

oh, wait, maybe

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stuartm:

yes, the path to the root music folder is store on a per host basis

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stuartm:

and will likely stay that way until we switch to using storage groups

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stuartm:

relative paths from the root folder are stored globally

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k-man:

stuartm, but the database of music is shared among all fe?

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stuartm:

yes

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k-man:

ok, thanks

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justinh:

right. time to start making this theme play nice with 0.24

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justinh:

yay looks like the translations got fixed :)

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stuartm:

?

[12:16:07]

justinh:

in 0.23 a load of en_gb translations were committed which er.. weren't very British ;)

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justinh:

Prioritize, etc

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stuartm:

ah

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stuartm:

I'm trying to recall what exciting theme related developments you can expect to use in 0.24

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justinh:

looks like the inuse statetype is doing stuff now where it wasn't before, at least

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justinh:

I still lament having to waste so much space on always having to have the recording groups/categories visible in the PBB

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justinh:

but I know now much can be done about that for a good while yet :)

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stuartm:

were shape gradients a possibility in 0.23? What about some of the advanced template stuff?

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justinh:

gradients were possible I think

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justinh:

some templates could be used.. think I ran into places where they couldn't & just gave up on them

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stuartm:

templates should be more universal now, although if you find any places where hardcoded strings are still used (there are a few) then I'd love to know so that we can get them all fixed

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justinh:

will do.. if I can remember where I thought of applying them in the 1st place ;)

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justinh:

I think one place was anywhere there'd be a list of programme-related stuff – e.g. upcoming recordings etc

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justinh:

ah nope.. already done it

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justinh:

ha. previously recorded...

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stuartm:

I rarely use that screen, it's even less useful now than it was a few months ago

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justinh:

I think that's rolled into at least one other one

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justinh:

yeah judging by the textarea called 'sched' it's got hardcoded stuff in there

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justinh:

or not. can't seem to find what I'm editing

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justinh:

nah, definitely previously recorded. I know cos I put a sweary in a textarea ;)

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stuartm:

"sched", which is badly named internally and externally, describes what is being shown, call it a page title or filter name – it's difficult to see how that could be less hardcoded but you should be able to use it with a template

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justinh:

well, seems you can't use it with a template

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stuartm:

justinh: hmm, I'll have to check on that, I thought I'd allowed everything to be used with templates

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stuartm:

justinh: <template>Filter: %1</template> doesn't work?

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justinh:

oh hang on.. the textarea name is still relevant even when using a template?

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stuartm:

it can't be used with mapped text, that's still true – I suppose there's an arguement for making _all_ text mapped

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stuartm:

s/arguement/argument/

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stuartm:

hmm, I wonder how that would work ...

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justinh:

ahh see when I was trying it I called the textarea something like "sometext" & it was coming out blank

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stuartm:

justinh: the textarea name is still relevant and only mapped text can be brought together in a template e.g. <template>%Title% – %Subtitle%</template> isn't possible with non-mapped text

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justinh:

so I tried it like this: <textarea name="titlesubtitle" ... <template>Boo: %CHANNEL% %TITLESUBTITLE% </template> & it works now

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justinh:

Boo: is just there so I know the template works

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justinh:

hmm pretty sure there used to be a list of valid template variables somewhere

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stuartm:

justinh: yeah, it might be a slightly non-nonsensical reason now but in the early implementation we didn't want the overhead of looking at every single textarea on the page just to find the ones we needed to populate with values

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stuartm:

but since templates have expanded it's probably time I re-wrote that logic

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justinh:

stuartm: that makes sense though.. and maybe why I gave up originally.. or maybe I didn't & they just wouldn't play ball before

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stuartm:

see – this is useful feedback

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justinh:

I remember it being a pain to have to define multiple textareas per line in a list

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stuartm:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recordings-ui.xml# . . . most_windows

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justinh:

hahahaha and now I want a channelname attribute

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stuartm:

justinh: right, that hasn't changed, but inheritance within the list keeps the additional work down

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justinh:

there's channum, and channel.. but nothing for just the channel name

[13:05:31]

justinh:

unless I just use callsign.. hmm

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stuartm:

justinh: there might be, I think I added it but the wiki hasn't been updated to reflect the change

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justinh:

just tried callsign. It'll do

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stuartm:

the logic behind requiring the themer define a new textarea for each 'column' in the list is that without it you couldn't do this – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/File:Terra_watchrec.png

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stuartm:

using a different text area means you can position text whereever you want, use a different font, different formatting etc

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stuartm:

justinh: try channame

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justinh:

will do

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stuartm:

it's there in master, but might have been added after the 0.24 release

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justinh:

yeah that works

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justinh:

am I just being daft, or does 'card' not do what I'm expecting?

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stuartm:

e96ec0c9

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stuartm:

https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/e96ec0c9

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justinh:

I'd expect to see a number but I'm seeing letters like F & P

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stuartm:

sept 2010

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justinh:

I know.. I've been way behind in coming forwards

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stuartm:

justinh: it's messed up I know, but card doesn't show the card number unless it's scheduled to record, otherwise it shows F (Find one Rule), P (Previously recorded)

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justinh:

ah ok.. that figures

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stuartm:

I want to change that, but there's some resistance

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stuartm:

personally I'd not choose to display the card number in a theme, it's pretty much a 'power' user thing, not meaningful to Aunt Gladys or Cousin Jeff

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justinh:

yeah I was thinking along the same lines but it can be handy to know what the rule of a previous recording was

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stuartm:

I do plan to add a recording status statustype, so you could display whatever you want, I think icons to represent 'will record', 'previously recorded' etc could work well

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justinh:

how do tivo users et al live with the serious lack of information I wonder? ;)

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stuartm:

justinh: heh, there are two camps here, one that things anyone who wants a nice clean and user friendly UI should buy a Tivo and those of us who aspire to make MythTV accessible to everyone

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stuartm:

s/things/thinks/

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stuartm:

clearly I'm not drinking enough caffeine

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justinh:

I'm in the latter camp

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justinh:

still. just cos we have HD now it doesn't mean to say it's OK to cram 10 pixel high text onscreen overloading users with information

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justinh:

hey why don't we have average & peak bitrates available in the PBB too? ;-P

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justinh:

all I'm after in this theme is WAF. she has to be able to read it from the couch without her specs

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justinh:

I doubt a HD panel would make that any easier. A bigger screen might though

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fa2k:

hi, i suddenly started getting this error on mythweb: "data directory is not writable by apache. Please check permissions.", do you know what this could be?

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fa2k:

which directory, etc...

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wagnerrp:

the 'data' directory

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justinh:

somebody changed the data directory permissions.. or some thing did

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wagnerrp:

the one called 'data'

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wagnerrp:

inside mythweb

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justinh:

where the directory lives varies by distro

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justinh:

ubuntu, I found out, puts it in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb :-\

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fa2k:

drwxr-xr-x. 3 apache apache 4096 Jul 16 17:17 data

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fa2k:

/usr/share/mythweb here

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fa2k:

oh it's an SElinux thing again,

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fa2k:

it used to work, how strange

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fa2k:

this fiexed it "setsebool -P httpd_unified 1", thanks for pointing me to the right directory :)

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justinh:

surprised they didn't put it in /var since its contents can change ;)

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wagnerrp:

ffs...

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wagnerrp:

i really hate how these distros stuff everything in /var

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justinh:

who the hell recorded "50 greatest Potter moments"?

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justinh:

need PIN protection on recording settings now

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justinh:

dialog pops up "your recording schedule request has been submitted for approval by a suitable moderator"

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justinh:

DENIED! Stop wasting disk space on crap from ITV!

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justinh:

I doubt my wife scheduled this.. she hates Potter more than I do

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justinh:

Ahh. It's been grabbed in by the 'julie walters' rule. LOL

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justinh:

I need to amend that to say AND NOT LIKE "%Harry%Potter%"

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sid3windr:

lol

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sid3windr:

hmm

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sid3windr:

can you see what rule decided to record something?

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sid3windr:

I should really get back to mythtv a bit more

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justinh:

hmmm how do you edit a power search?

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justinh:

I know you can edit the schedule options for a power search rule but is there a way to change the search parameters?

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stuartm:

you have to do it from the screen where they are created

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justinh:

I can't see how to edit the keywords though

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justinh:

ahh now I see it

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justinh:

so no way to add a NOT LIKE bit.. needs a power recording rule

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justinh:

meh. I'll skip it

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rwat:

been using mythtv for longer than I care to think – got new ION box arriving tomorrow. Normally I would just slap ubuntu on it, but I'm wondering if anyone has any current favourite distros for myth that I might look into

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wagnerrp:

presumably as a dedicated frontend?

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rwat:

yes, it will be frontend just for myth and a bit of browsing etc. I did wonder about trying it as a backend as well

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rwat:

current backend box is a bit crap

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wagnerrp:

slave backends dont really do much, but dont bother considering it for a master backend

[14:50:31]

wagnerrp:

what is your current backend?

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rwat:

it's a single core pentium 4 with 1GB RAM :)

[14:51:03]

wagnerrp:

what clock speed?

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rwat:

2.8GHZ

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wagnerrp:

thats actually not much slower than the Atom

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rwat:

oh actually, I'm lying – it *is* a dual core

[14:52:45]

wagnerrp:

dual core, or hyperthreaded?

[14:53:28]

rwat:

not sure, certainly I thought it was a dual core but last night it was only registering one

[14:53:33]

wagnerrp:

if dual core, it is significantly better than the Atom

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sid3windr:

I don't think there were real pentium 4 dualcores

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rwat:

could well be just a P4 with HT

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sid3windr:

werent those called pentium d?

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wagnerrp:

if hyperthreaded, its probably about equivalent to the atom

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wagnerrp:

sid3windr: sure, but they were still P4s

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rwat:

ok this one says model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 2.80GHz

[14:53:59]

sid3windr:

yeah :)

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sid3windr:

see, pentium d ;)

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wagnerrp:

they were to prescott cores on a single module

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rwat:

yeah good shout

[14:54:37]

wagnerrp:

so yes, the Atom would be a downgrade from a 6yr old CPU

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rwat:

at the moment I'm actually using that for a frontend as well (because I haven't got everything setup since our house move)

[14:55:02]

rwat:

and it certainly hates being front and back-end

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wagnerrp:

thats due to lack of memory

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rwat:

what's so cpu-intensive about the master ?

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wagnerrp:

the scheduler and guide data downloader

[14:56:12]

wagnerrp:

plus any commflagging, transcoding, or other user jobs you want to do

[14:56:35]

rwat:

since I'm using DVB I think I need to have at least one deb card on the master

[14:56:44]

rwat:

s/deb/dvb

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rwat:

otherwise the schedule won't update

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rwat:

I haven't noticed mythbackend ever using much cpu

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt need it often

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wagnerrp:

it just needs a lot of it in a short period of time

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rwat:

that's for grabbing the schedule?

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wagnerrp:

running the scheduler

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rwat:

maybe I could reroute the coax and use my workstation as a back-end – that's a Phenom II X6

[15:02:22]

rwat:

I don't often get all 6 cores spinning up

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wagnerrp:

you keep it on all the time?

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rwat:

no but I could – the cool'n'quiet thing works pretty well

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rwat:

uses about 70watts at idle

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wagnerrp:

likely better to pick up a purpose built machine

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wagnerrp:

athlon II or core i3

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wagnerrp:

with existing case, PSU, IR, tuners

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wagnerrp:

both should go for around $150

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rwat:

wagnerrp: yeah that's not a bad idea

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rwat:

or maybe I can throw something together out of bits

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Gee, wasn't that E200 $29 yesterday? It's up to $39 today...

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J-e-f-f-A:

s/E200/E2000/

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justinh:

ha. upgraded my frontend via mythbuntu repo & it messed up the remote. gah

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justinh:

fixed it in 2 mins but that isn't the point :-)

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justinh:

excuse the brevity & mistakes cos I'm ssh'ing from my phone. lol

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wagnerrp:

E2000?

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wagnerrp:

oh, the wireless router

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sphery:

wow, the HDHR Dual/HDHR3 US for $20 off went fast, today

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justinh:

there we go. copied a working theme to the frontend while walking my doggy

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justinh:

painful though. heh

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sphery:

you had no Terra nor MythCenter-wide theme?

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sphery:

in theory, as long as you have either of those, mythfrontend should start up--regardless of what theme is specified

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sphery:

(then you could use theme chooser to install whichever one you want)

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sphery:

Heh, today's dictionary.com word of the day is hoary. I know Ubuntu was using it with defs 1 and/or 2, but 3 seems very appropriate for it, now. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hoary

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sid3windr:

:D

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wagnerrp:

why cant markt use an email client that indents normally?

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wagnerrp:

that funky line is really worthless

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sphery:

he used a forward instead of a reply...

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sphery:

bt is funky, too--shows a "null function call" from nvidia opengl

[16:43:35]

** sphery guesses broken nvidia driver install **

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9845 – how can the owner be deleted, yet also "assigned" to a ticket ?

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sphery:

he's just saying that nobody is going to fix that one... :)

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skd5aner:

lol

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skd5aner:

nobody is the laziest of all the devs

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sphery:

heh, yeah--at least I make other devs do my work for me

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skd5aner:

if I have a custom search, can I use mythweb to discover which upcoming episodes meet that specific criteria?

[17:30:22]

skd5aner:

I know you can do it fairly easily in the frontend within a rule or via the search, but in mythweb I seem to only be able to see the rule itself

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sphery:

I don't think mythweb supports using the speculative scheduler, but I'm not positive

[17:39:33]

skd5aner:

too bad – because mythweb is great for easily seeing that kind of thing – the upcoming recordings screen in mythweb beats anything that mythfrontend can present to the user

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skd5aner:

I was just curious if I was somehow missing the ability to find that kind of info, thanks sphery

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: 9845... is that the report by the dischead?

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wagnerrp:

no, thats 9705

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sphery:

heh, was trying to figure out what that word meant

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wagnerrp:

Cardoe: you mentioned you had a number of changes you wanted to put in?

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wagnerrp:

i was intending to bump the ebuilds today if youve got them

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wagnerrp:

the only thing i saw on github was the curl dependency for mythweb

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: huh?

[17:57:15]

wagnerrp:

huh?

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skd5aner:

<wagnerrp> skd5aner: 9845... is that the report by the dischead?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i meant 9705

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wagnerrp:

you were commenting on it being abandoned

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wagnerrp:

9705 is one of those things that needs to be closed out of principle

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Beirdo:

or just fix it

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skd5aner:

ah – yea, I would hope 9845 would be legit enough that someone would want to pick it up and fix it

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skd5aner:

as far as 9705 – why not just change it? Seems like a 2 second fix

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wagnerrp:

go ahead and fix it, but it should still be closed in some spiteful manner

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skd5aner:

heh – he even opened it as "low/trivial" :)

[18:05:52]

skd5aner:

Beirdo: not sure if you saw above, but I was curious if you thought 9845 should be set to new and not assigned?

[18:07:14]

Beirdo:

probably

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Beirdo:

trac does what it wants to do :)

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wagnerrp:

and in some cases, it wants to do stupid things

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bugthing:

hello all.. recently setup a debian box with mythtv bit of config and all working well .. last problem is that the volume controls do not work (there is sound, I just can't control the volume/mute)... I have googled for info but can't seem to find an answer.. any pointers anyone??

[18:17:57]

skd5aner:

what is the sound being played through? an amp/speakers, tv, etc?

[18:18:06]

sphery:

but what audio output device are you using? (both physical device and mythtv setting)

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skd5aner:

and what kind of physical connection are you using?

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bugthing:

i am using alsa, I have the front end and back end on the same machine, just plain speakers out from motherboard

[18:23:43]

wagnerrp:

then you have your mixer control set incorrectly in the audio setup

[18:24:33]

bugthing:

... I have /dev/mixer set in the frontend .. but I notice I have /dev/mixer1 ... I'll just try changing that now..

[18:24:38]

sphery:

yeah, you should use ALSA:default for mixer device, and note that your only options are for Mixer Controls setting are PCM and Master

[18:24:58]

wagnerrp:

/dev/mixer is for the old OSS style mixers, not alsa ones

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sphery:

no, /dev/mixer is OSS, if you're using ALSA for audio output device, you need to use ALSA:default for mixer device

[18:25:37]

sphery:

only use /dev/mixer if you're using /dev/dsp for audio output device (and don't use /dev/dsp for audio output device :)

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bugthing:

that works perfect!... thanks very much :)

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wagnerrp:

anyone have an mceusb remote working with lirc 0.9.0?

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sphery:

Why do the nvidia drivers need permission to execute binaries in /tmp?

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wagnerrp:

they probably unpack themselves there

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sphery:

so he's saying that's only necessary when installing them?

[18:46:23]

wagnerrp:

or perhaps theyre doing system testing

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sphery:

if so, that's reasonable, but if he means that's necessary when using them...

[18:46:35]

wagnerrp:

yes, they would only need to execute anything when installing

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sphery:

ah, ok

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wagnerrp:

sphery: seems when running 32-bit opengl applications against the nvidia drivers

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wagnerrp:

the drivers open up a temporary mmaped file in /tmp

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wagnerrp:

for whateve reason, it requires execute permissions

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wagnerrp:

however that begs the question, why is he running 32-bit mythtv on a 64-bit system

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sphery:

heh, wow

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Beirdo:

Nice. Ervin Santana... complete game, nohitter

[19:05:47]

Beirdo:

too bad it wasn't a shutout too

[19:06:00]

Beirdo:

he walked one guy, who apparently scored

[19:07:27]

Beirdo:

ah, scored on a wild pitch

[19:07:29]

Beirdo:

heh.

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sphery:

Wild Thing!

[19:08:03]

Beirdo:

got on base on an error. there we go

[19:08:25]

Beirdo:

yeah, one wild pitch outta 9 full innings ain't that bad

[19:08:42]

Beirdo:

glad I put him in my fantasy team today, not left on the bench

[19:08:45]

Beirdo:

71 points.

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sphery:

ah, Major League... Back when Charlie Sheen was still young and innocent...

[19:09:53]

Beirdo:

hehe

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Cardoe:

sphery: And wasn't trying to compete with Amy Whinehouse on amount of cocaine done?

[19:10:06]

sphery:

heh, yeah

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Cardoe:

wagnerrp: yeah. I guess I need to get my butt in gear.

[19:10:22]

sphery:

seems she got to the finish line, first, though...

[19:10:27]

wagnerrp:

i didnt know she was his wife, i swear!

[19:10:31]

sphery:

(er, too early?)

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wagnerrp:

its never too early to make fun of the drug addled crack whore

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sphery:

whew, I was afraid I was being an insensitive clod

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wagnerrp:

so will these mysql fixes correct the backend protocol deadlock?

[19:16:09]

sphery:

no clue

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sphery:

would be nice if it did

[19:16:48]

sphery:

still don't know what's happening with the deadlocks--I only ref'ed the tickets because of the "waiting for mysql" theory

[19:17:16]

sphery:

but it did sound like in warpme's case we were trying to use a not-connected connection to prepare a statement

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justinh:

sphery: I had no theme my wife likes ;)

[19:26:02]

justinh:

but now I have no OSD & no means to choose one via choosing a different theme. oof

[19:28:26]

justinh:

bum. backend has theme chooser but not the frontend

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justinh:

and the backend has an OSD. weird city

[19:30:10]

sphery:

sounds like your frontend theme is too old

[19:30:34]

sphery:

we really need to get our version checking/policies in place for themes

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justinh:

no, the frontend theme is the one I've been developing. it doesn't have an osd.xml so technically it should fall back shouldn't it?

[19:31:02]

justinh:

as for why the theme chooser isn't in the setup menus.. erm...

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sphery:

ah, not sure how that works... I'll defer to your much-greater knowledge of theming than mine

[19:33:08]

sphery:

but, yeah, sounds like it should fall back to default* osd.xml

[19:33:28]

justinh:

I'd understand it if I had custom menus – but I've only ever customised the media library one or main menu not setup

[19:36:09]

justinh:

oh. there's no button type for the theme chooser in /usr/share/mythtv/themes/defaultmenu/main_settings.xml

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justinh:

WHY?!

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Beirdo:

haha, some dude can't figure out audio on a Dell Optiplex 745?

[19:37:24]

Beirdo:

alsamixer... unmute everything you need... including front speakers.

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wagnerrp:

isnt that an old P4?

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Beirdo:

no

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justinh:

eh? mythfrontend --version isn't saying *anything* on the frontend

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Beirdo:

it's a Core2 Duo

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Beirdo:

I have one

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wagnerrp:

my roommate sophomore year had an optiplex something

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Beirdo:

yeah, the 745 in particular is a BTX system with Core2 Duo

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Beirdo:

mine has a GT 550Ti in it (it's my GPU devel box)

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sphery:

justinh: you mean https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/91c7aa53#diff-4 + https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/6338b428 ?

[19:39:13]

justinh:

I just don't get this. I'm logged into the frontend over ssh , exported display=:0 & mythfrontend --version isn't working

[19:39:28]

wagnerrp:

what is it doing?

[19:39:31]

justinh:

sphery: backend's mythfrontend reports its version. these *should* be the same

[19:39:32]

wagnerrp:

this is in trunk?

[19:39:48]

justinh:

no in fixes

[19:39:53]

wagnerrp:

ubuntu?

[19:39:56]

justinh:

yeah

[19:40:03]

wagnerrp:

mythfrontend.real --version

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justinh:

oh bugger. different versions? How the????

[19:40:52]

justinh:

how the hell is this even working?!

[19:41:11]

justinh:

I guess the protocol/schemas just happen to be compatible

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sphery:

if its 0.24-fixes on both, you should be fine

[19:41:39]

justinh:

*supposed* to be -fixes but it's not

[19:41:51]

justinh:

Library API : 0.23.20101017–1 on the frontend (!)

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justinh:

I set the repo in mythbuntu control centre to be the same as the backend. I thought

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wagnerrp:

that sounds like 0.24 just prior to release

[19:42:51]

wagnerrp:

because we wouldnt have been cycling the binary version in 0.23-fixes

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sphery:

did you enable http://mythbuntu.org/repos ?

[19:43:09]

justinh:

yes

[19:43:22]

justinh:

wonder which config file I have to hit with a hammer to fix this

[19:43:47]

justinh:

no mythbuntu mentions in sources.list. strange

[19:44:11]

justinh:

nor on the backend either. how the heck does that work then?

[19:44:31]

sphery:

heh, well, quoting that one URI is the limit of my *buntu knowledge, so I won't be much help

[19:47:40]

justinh:

might have to kick my wife off the frontend to fix this

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[19:50:21]

sphery:

hmmmm. I need a more elegant approach for tailing the most-current mythbackend log file than: tail -f `ls ~mythtv/log/mythbackend* | sort -n -t . -k 2 | tail -1`

[19:50:51]

sphery:

wonder if it's possible to do in pure bash (without using an ls and sort and tail process to get the right file)

[19:51:52]

kormoc:

tail -f `ls -t mythbackend* | head -n 1` is slightly better?

[19:52:47]

sphery:

yeah, guess so--using file timestamp instead of timestamp-in-filename

[19:53:15]

sphery:

perhaps I should ask the bash experts who write bash plugins for mythtv :)

[19:54:59]

justinh:

ah. I don't have a 0.24-fixes option in the MCC

[19:55:52]

tgm4883:

justinh, it's not in sources.list anyway, it's in sources.list.d/mythbuntu-repos.list

[19:57:43]

kormoc:

sphery, you can't do it in pure bash. you'd have to use stat or similar

[19:58:48]

justinh:

tgm4883: thanks! had to copy a line from one machine to the other to fix this. that sucks

[19:59:16]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: oh, i bet you could if you tried hard enough

[20:00:01]

wagnerrp:

sphery: what is this in relation to?

[20:00:20]

kormoc:

hrm. I guess you could substr the time field out and loop over then...

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: the only issue is, how much time do you waste and how many people do you end up killing over trying to figure out how to do it in pure bash

[20:02:46]

kormoc:

What you do is scan /dev/mem for the inode cache and then substr out the inode headers for the directory, then process them for the time in the filename?

[20:02:53]

justinh:

this better not wipe over my lirc configs again

[20:05:07]

justinh:

at least it was good enough to move the old ones first though

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justinh:

so, just delete the fact that different versions were found to be compatible ;) May be the last time that ever happens

[20:07:56]

sphery:

wagnerrp: since I'm using -l /path/to/dir so I get logs for child processes (which I can't get with -l /path/to/file.log ), I get filenames like mythbackend.20110727130017.8970.log and mythbackend.20110727132049.14511.log and mythbackend.20110727133805.20156.log , so I'm just trying to find a nice, elegant command line I can copy/paste into my log-following term.

[20:08:14]

sphery:

then again, finding a nice way to get tail to automatically "rotate" to the newest file would be better

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sphery:

I suppose I could just open up a 10th term on the screen and have the mythtv user logged in so I can run mythbackend without -d

[20:08:50]

wagnerrp:

oh right, forgot all about that

[20:08:56]

sphery:

(to get both console and file logging)

[20:09:05]

wagnerrp:

i should update the init script in the gentoo ebuilds for the new command line

[20:09:15]

sphery:

ooh, reminds me--I promised tgm4883, et al, an rsyslog.conf for new mythtv

[20:09:21]

justinh:

hang on though.. why does mythfrontend --version work on the backend then?

[20:09:37]

wagnerrp:

magic

[20:09:48]

wagnerrp:

what is the backend?

[20:09:49]

tgm4883:

sphery, yes you did :)

[20:09:58]

justinh:

maybe they changed the wrapper to pass parameters

[20:10:07]

** sphery retreats back to his dev box to do that config **

[20:10:32]

sphery:

Guess if I do that, I can control my filenames with rsyslog and then avoid this whole "what's the new filename" issue :)

[20:10:41]

justinh:

wagnerrp: 0.24-fixes from mythbuntu – same as the frontend is (is NOW)

[20:11:17]

justinh:

still no output from mythfrontend --version on the frontend but it works on the other box

[20:11:22]

justinh:

heh. stupidbuntu

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tgm4883:

justinh, which mythfrontend

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justinh:

/usr/bin/mythfrontend on both boxes

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tgm4883:

justinh, cat mythfrontend

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justinh:

wrapper on both

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tgm4883:

pointing to the same binary?

[20:15:39]

justinh:

yup

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tgm4883:

and you have the same version installed?

[20:15:53]

justinh:

yes

[20:16:08]

justinh:

wife paused a recording so I restarted the frontend. now we got OSD

[20:16:16]

tgm4883:

md5sum mythfrontend.real?

[20:16:51]

justinh:

they both report the same version exactly

[20:17:00]

justinh:

maybe md5sum mythfrontend

[20:17:34]

justinh:

haha same on both. for .real and the wrapper

[20:17:50]

justinh:

I won't worry too much about it. it works

[20:18:58]

justinh:

wonder what this OSD it's falling back to is. I quite like it

[20:21:41]

skd5aner:

kormoc: I can not think of a specific example for a service, but many examples for web sites

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justinh:

right, and that's the new desktop machine confirmed as being able to read SDHC cards at last. stupid cheap card reader wouldn't do HC

[20:29:01]

justinh:

we added HC support to our products with a software update at work so I thought it was all in driver/software land. WONG

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sphery:

github is being super slow today

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wagnerrp:

thats because slashdot had an article last night about git being the best thing since sliced ice cream

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sphery:

heh

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brianf21:

Does anyone know how to get hulu desktop to work with mythtv's "network remote control"? I am not using lircd

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sphery:

you mean how to execute hulu desktop through some random menu item you've added to the menus using the frontend's network interface?

[21:07:16]

sphery:

if so, only way I know of is to use, for example, a jump point to main menu (to get to a known location), then use up/down/select/... as required to find the entry and select it

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sphery:

or, just use MythNetvision and use MythTV's interface

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brianf21:

I can launch hulu desktop from within the mythtv frontend, but I am not able to control hulu desktop using network remote control.

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sphery:

well, hulu desktop is an external program, so won't work with mythfrontend's network interface

[21:09:34]

brianf21:

The program that I am using is mythmote.

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sphery:

just like you couldn't control LibreOffice or the GIMP with it...

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brianf21:

I was hoping that the network interface was a device that I could list in .huludesktop like /dev/lircd.

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brianf21:

freemote control looks like it would work, but I did not want to compile it. :(

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sphery:

ah, no, it's just a way of sending messages to mythfrontend through the network

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justinh:

hmmm blootube-ng – NUL points. nice try though

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wagnerrp:

however, you can use mythnetvision to access hulu, rather than hulu desktop

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brianf21:

Let me look at that now... mythnetvision

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justinh:

WTH? this theme has three buttonlists in the PBB

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iamlindoro:

justinh: There's a recgroups list that most themes don't use (because most people don't use rec groups)

[21:18:03]

iamlindoro:

I have never used it because I find it a bit too cluttered to use it

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justinh:

I found it hard to navigate to

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justinh:

I'm considering using recgroups cos my wife is recording junk for the boy

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justinh:

so the thing is chock full of Thomas the bloody tank engine

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justinh:

& I'd rather have a 'grownups' list & keep the junk separate

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justinh:

I wouldn't care – he only ever pays attention to the theme tune. I don't want him watching teevees yet anyway :)

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stuartm:

iamlindoro: that and the fact that many of those who do use recgroups just enable them in the 'group view' filter instead of grouping by other criteria such as title

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, I'd venture to say that most users don't need to know the group they're viewing. I don't need an indicator on screen to know whether I'm looking at my group, my wife's group, or my daughter's group. the fact that it's Operation Repo vs What Not to Wear vs Handy Manny is enough of an indication what group I'm in. :)

[21:48:46]

Captain_Murdoch:

we group recordings by title and just change groups using a direct keybinding to the rec group chooser popup.

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Captain_Murdoch:

no categories or groups shown in the 'title' list, just titles.

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stuartm:

personally I group by category, title is useless when you record lots of films and don't keep around lots of episodes of any one series

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch: stuartm: I've never found occasion to use rec groups because it's just me and the GF, and TV boils down to "Mine" and "Mine and also possibly interesting to you"

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sphery:

yeah, my growing-faster-than-I-can-watch-and-delete collection is why I want to morph recgroup into tags and allow each recording to have zero or more tags and to allow filtering based on and/or combinations of tags in Watch Recordings

[21:55:09]

sphery:

"Show me all the Movies + Space – B Movies" or whatever

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sphery:

(biggest challenge will be the UI...)

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iamlindoro:

sphery: All tags in a buttonlist w/ checks

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iamlindoro:

easy! :)

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** sphery makes a note in his TODO of who will being doing that TODO for him **

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sphery:

:D

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sphery:

of course, would probably be easier to convince you to do my TODOs if I'd finish some of the stuff I promised you

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iamlindoro:

It's ok, if you keep delaying I'll just keep bypassing waiting for your TODOs and make doing them harder :)

[22:06:16]

sphery:

heh

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sphery:

that's so mean--think about whatever dev ends up doing my TODO for me...

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, yeah, the proportion of rec-group users vs non-rec-group users may be close to the proportion of multi-user vs (near) single-user mythtv installations.

[23:46:19]

skd5aner:

sphery: do you see your tagging idea being a community based folksonomy tags or individual metadata tags set independantly?

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: no reason it couldnt be tied into the metadata grabber and the existing tag databases available through tmdb/ttvdb

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skd5aner:

I've always wondered in the group filter menu why "All Programs" and "Default" are the same... For example, I used "autoexpire when deleting" and so my filter menu says something like "All Programs – 100" "Default – 100" "Deleted – 30" "Live TV – 5"

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skd5aner:

I would think "All" would then also include deleted and live tv, since they're listed in the list as a category

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skd5aner:

beyond that, I really haven't used rec groups yet either, but I could definitely see them being useful for things like children's programs

[23:51:38]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: yup, that's what I was curious about – if it would pull top tags from those services. Obviously manual tags would be nice too.

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wagnerrp:

at some point, it may be possible to push tags to the remote source

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skd5aner:

yea, that'd be nice

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skd5aner:

of course, I could see where local tags in addition to "shared" tags would be useful – "Bob's sitcoms", "Movies that don't suck", etc.

[23:55:43]

skd5aner:

Not sure if pushing "Bob's sitcoms" to a data provider would provide much back :)

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AndyCap:

skd5aner: sounds like a recipe for horrid amounts of tag spam.

[23:57:29]

skd5aner:

yea, that's my point :)

[23:57:43]

_klk_:

hi all. i've been using/testing mythcommflag (latest sources) to mark regions of commercials on video i've captured from my pc capture card. it seems 90+% accurate at identifying the commercial regions. i was wondering, is there a way to tell it to mark individual commercials?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i didnt say we WOULD do it

[23:57:49]

wagnerrp:

but that we may

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wagnerrp:

_klk_: why would you want to mark individual commercials?

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sphery:

skd5aner: you have to set all programs to include deleted and/or live tv... Watch Recording MENU|Change Group View, select Live TV. (I think you can do the same for Deleted, but not positive.)

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sphery:

(because I don't have any Deleted recordings)

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wagnerrp:

i mean i suppose you could add another cut type

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_klk_:

wagnerrp: for a media project. trying to identify individual commercials across many days of captured video from various channels.

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skd5aner:

If I tag something as "movie" "horror" "1980s" etc, those are good common tags, and could already be out there as popular tags in something like tmdb, but if I tag something as "MyFavoriteSlasherFilms" – well, that might be usefull locally, but not for anyone else

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wagnerrp:

and alter the commflagger to insert that type where it thought the gaps between commercials are

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wagnerrp:

but there is no such existing behavior

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