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Saturday, July 23rd, 2011, 00:00 UTC
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[00:00:49] russell5: so i have a 4.1 speaker setup and on a lot of videos played through mythvideo the volume is way to low and the actions scenes(explosions and so on) are way to loud
[00:01:01] russell5: i am not sure why
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[00:23:13] wagnerrp: the content is actually playing correctly
[00:23:31] wagnerrp: and the disk was well mastered
[00:23:40] [R]: that's what she said?
[00:26:23] russell5: is there any way i can get the volume levels not to be extreme
[00:26:50] [R]: lower themm?
[00:26:52] wagnerrp: enable dynamic compression on your receiver
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[00:27:35] russell5: no reciever just sub and speakers plugged directly into my myth box
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[01:33:44] slacker-: hi
[01:37:10] slacker-: trying to get a Leadtek dvb-2000ds to work
[01:37:46] slacker-: on linuxtv.org it says it should work out of the box on kernel 2.6.38, which is what I've got
[01:38:45] slacker-: dmesg says dvb-usb: did not find the firmware file. (dvb-usb-af9015.fw)
[01:38:59] slacker-: is this fixed by installing the linux-firmware-nonfree package?
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[01:58:30] slacker-: hm, it turns out it is
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[02:28:58] wagnerrp: iamlindoro: i just realized, the guy in #9801 is starting with a digital recording, transcoding, and then transcoding a second time
[02:28:59] wagnerrp: WTF?
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[02:41:22] Beirdo: wagnerrp: is there a limit to how many ad* drives I can have in FreeBSD?
[02:42:59] Beirdo: wonder if I unplugged a drive accidentally
[02:43:09] Beirdo: one of the 750G drives ain't showing up
[02:44:47] slacker-: should PIP work with the normal playback profile?
[02:48:38] wagnerrp: Beirdo: maybe 26?
[02:48:52] wagnerrp: no, linux is alphabetical
[02:48:56] wagnerrp: bsd... i dont know
[02:49:24] wagnerrp: i know ive gone up to 20 before
[02:49:43] Beirdo: Hmm
[02:49:54] Beirdo: I guess I musta bumped a cable or something
[02:49:59] Beirdo: how annoying
[02:50:10] wagnerrp: ad* means an old system
[02:50:14] Beirdo: it;s saying my raidz1 is degraded
[02:50:35] Beirdo: as it didn't find one of the 4 drives
[02:50:47] wagnerrp: nevermind, 'da' is only for real scsi stuff
[02:50:54] wagnerrp: sata still uses ad
[02:51:01] Beirdo: this is 8.2-RELEASE, all SATA :)
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[02:51:29] Beirdo: on a SiI 3132 and a SiI 3124
[02:51:32] wagnerrp: actually, i meant the hardware
[02:51:40] Beirdo: and on the motherboard
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[02:51:57] Beirdo: ahh, yeah, it's all SATA
[02:52:14] wagnerrp: my SATA raid card shows up as 'da', but the SATA 3.0 ports onboard are still 'ad'
[02:52:24] wagnerrp: ATA Disk versus SCSI Direct Access
[02:52:30] Beirdo: interesting
[02:52:37] Beirdo: it puts mine all as ad
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[02:53:04] wagnerrp: as opposed to linux where wheyre all 'sda' now
[02:53:12] Beirdo: atapci0: <SiI 3132 SATA300 controller>
[02:53:18] wagnerrp: and worse, theyre sequential
[02:53:24] Beirdo: atapci1: <SiI 3124 SATA300 controller>
[02:53:29] wagnerrp: who orders their drives sequentially, honestly
[02:53:41] Beirdo: atapci2: <Intel ICH6 UDMA100 controller>
[02:53:57] Beirdo: atapci3: <Intel ICH6 SATA150 controller>
[02:54:11] Beirdo: atapci2 has the DVDROM
[02:54:27] wagnerrp: i absolutely love that with freebsd, that drives are statically defined
[02:54:38] Beirdo: but they aren't :)
[02:54:40] wagnerrp: of course its more or less irrelevant now with ZFS
[02:54:46] wagnerrp: sure they are
[02:55:12] wagnerrp: drive ad4 is always drive ad4, regardless of what order the system detects it in
[02:55:20] Beirdo: nope. the drives moved from ad4, ad6, ad8, ad10 to ???, ad10, ad12, ad14
[02:55:43] wagnerrp: did you move controller cards around?
[02:55:56] Beirdo: no, I added another controller
[02:56:09] wagnerrp: so yes
[02:56:11] Beirdo: so it likely enumerated in a different order
[02:56:34] Beirdo: which means teh disks aren't statically defined, they are in enumerated order, just like Linux
[02:56:46] wagnerrp: they are statically defined per controller
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[02:57:01] wagnerrp: if the system decides to put a controller on a different bus... not much you can do about that
[02:57:11] wagnerrp: but if you add or remove hard drives, ordering will remain static
[02:57:13] Beirdo: well that's true :)
[02:57:16] ** iamlindoro removes #freebsd from his autojoins **
[02:57:20] iamlindoro: how did this get in here
[02:57:24] iamlindoro: oh wait
[02:57:35] ** iamlindoro glances again at the channel name **
[02:57:40] Beirdo: well, we'll see, I'm gonna go fiddle cables and make sure the drive comes back, stupid computers
[02:57:40] wagnerrp: there is no #freebsd
[02:57:56] Beirdo: I think there is on another network
[02:57:57] Beirdo: :)
[02:58:28] iamlindoro: #lennart-poettering-presents:-irrelevance
[03:01:34] slacker-: shouldn't mythbackend select the 2nd tuner for recording when the 1st tuner is watching tv?
[03:02:19] wagnerrp: iamlindoro: what filename format should be in filemarkup?
[03:02:46] wagnerrp: slacker-: actually, livetv should select the last tuner, so it doesnt interfere with recording
[03:03:10] slacker-: wagnerrp: what if it doesn't?
[03:03:16] iamlindoro: wagnerrp: no idae
[03:03:19] iamlindoro: idea
[03:03:25] wagnerrp: then you havent selected the proper setting to make it do so
[03:03:31] slacker-: i've just upgraded from single to dual tuner card and trying to figure out how to use it
[03:03:32] iamlindoro: and liveTV selects whatever the first available tuner is by default
[03:03:56] ThisNewGuy: iamlindoro: the lookup api is pretty sweet
[03:04:10] iamlindoro: ThisNewGuy: glad you like it
[03:04:12] slacker-: wagnerrp: where is that setting?
[03:04:32] wagnerrp: dont recall, i never use livetv so i never worry about it
[03:05:02] iamlindoro: wagnerrp: Looks like path/relative/to/SG/root/file.ext
[03:05:12] iamlindoro: (for SG content)
[03:05:41] wagnerrp: are you just looking at what you can find in filemarkup?
[03:05:50] iamlindoro: yep
[03:06:12] wagnerrp: because ive got bare filenames (almost certainly wrong) and full filenames (likely wrong) as well
[03:06:39] wagnerrp: i agree relative from the SG base is what makes sense
[03:06:42] iamlindoro: Everything I have is relative to the SG root, and a few full paths
[03:07:03] wagnerrp: im currently looking into fixing #9435
[03:08:33] wagnerrp: any problems with me making that work only with storage groups?
[03:08:43] wagnerrp: (the mythcommflag part)
[03:09:01] ThisNewGuy: I have a working prototype for the case where 1 result is returned – still need to handle 0 or >1 and errors but the basic infrastructure is there
[03:09:09] iamlindoro: It doesn't bother me, though it might not sit well with the "I must have it for debugging" crowd
[03:09:26] iamlindoro: (since items in filemarkup don't have to necessarily be in videometadata)
[03:09:33] iamlindoro: ThisNewGuy: nice
[03:09:48] wagnerrp: does anything else actually use that?
[03:10:06] iamlindoro: wagnerrp: no, though you can theoretically run it on a file you are debugged seeking on
[03:10:18] iamlindoro: I've done it a few times, but not so often I am worried about not being able to do so any more
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[03:14:38] slacker-: aha
[03:15:15] slacker-: adapter0 is encoder 1 and 4 and adapter1 is encoder 2 and 3
[03:15:47] slacker-: suppose I just delete my cards and add them again
[03:16:14] ** Beirdo goes off to try ahci_load="yes" **
[03:17:13] wagnerrp: Beirdo: im still confused as to how to set the logging level
[03:17:36] wagnerrp: im running '--verbose all --loglevel debug' and still not seeing the error from a VB_GENERAL LOG_ERR
[03:17:57] Beirdo: really?
[03:18:16] Beirdo: Are you sure it's hitting that code then?
[03:18:21] wagnerrp: in mythcommflag/main.cpp RebuildSeekTable
[03:18:33] Beirdo: what does it say the log mask is in the logs?
[03:18:55] wagnerrp: it doesnt
[03:19:09] wagnerrp: ah!
[03:19:14] wagnerrp: i have to do --noprogress
[03:19:28] Beirdo: Oh, yes, if you want console logging
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[03:21:16] slacker-: oh.. now I have encoder 5–8..
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[03:22:50] wagnerrp: you can either keep that, or delete all (on all hosts) and add them back
[03:23:22] slacker-: oh is that it.. I deleted all on myhostname
[03:23:33] slacker-: anyway, livetv still selects adapter0
[03:23:36] wagnerrp: seems running mythcommflag on a myth://Video URI works, but never saves anything
[03:25:27] slacker-: and if I start a recording, it automatically changes the channel. doesn't even ask any more like it used to with a single tuner
[03:27:15] iamlindoro: issue has nothing to do with single versus multiple tuners, and everything to do with single versus multirec
[03:27:31] iamlindoro: Your single physical tuner is by default two virtual tuners
[03:27:48] iamlindoro: thus, when starting live tv, the first available tuner is a virtual tuner on the first physical tuner
[03:27:59] iamlindoro: which is locked into that tuner's multiplex
[03:28:44] iamlindoro: if you want it to select the last tuner, then select the option to make it do so, and no, I don't recall where it is either, but this is covered weekly on the users list, so a search of the archives would have been the first thing to do
[03:29:16] slacker-: i am searching
[03:29:38] slacker-: just haven't found the right terms yet
[03:44:19] slacker-: alright. got it
[03:46:12] iamlindoro: HAHAHA, I totally broke the s out of regular TV grabbing in mythvideo
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[03:53:11] slacker-: any suggestions what to look for to get the pip working?
[03:53:53] iamlindoro: slacker-: PIP is disabled in our current release
[03:54:21] slacker-: i've got 0.24.0 not .1
[03:54:29] iamlindoro: where it is also disabled
[03:54:34] slacker-: ah, right
[03:54:37] iamlindoro: .24.1 is just a later .24
[03:54:58] slacker-: thanks
[03:55:25] slacker-: now.
[03:55:58] slacker-: when I tried running both cards at the same time, I got a bazillion of those: bt878(0): irq PPERR risc_pc=3363d0a8
[03:56:14] iamlindoro: that's a driver problem, we don't do drivers
[03:56:15] slacker-: that was before I installed the firmware for the af9015
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[04:00:14] ** iamlindoro wonders who uploads a picture of their projector booting into windows to the MythTV wiki **
[04:01:56] wagnerrp: blackoper, of course
[04:02:30] iamlindoro: evidently
[04:03:44] wagnerrp: crap, none of my cable channels have any guide data
[04:10:37] slacker-: when I change to the program guide from live tv, should the live tv continue in the top right corner?
[04:10:48] slacker-: I only get its sound
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[04:24:41] wagnerrp: ugh... halfway through typing up a commit message, and my connection drops
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[04:33:28] Beirdo: first i/o errors in the zfs... now I refresh the zpool.cache, and now it['s saying it can't locate the pool?!
[04:34:38] Beirdo: ooooh, I think I know what I borked this time
[04:34:46] Beirdo: back in goes the livecd
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[05:07:14] wagnerrp: so the machine inexplicably came back up on its own
[05:07:25] wagnerrp: i dont know if i prefer when it does that, or when it doesnt
[05:07:36] wagnerrp: when it doesnt, at least its something i can fix
[05:07:48] wagnerrp: when it does, i have no way of knowing how to prevent it in the future
[05:08:30] wagnerrp: slacker-: i thought you were using digital tuners
[05:18:28] jpabq: As soon as I try to use the additional tables of ",people,credits" in a custom record rule, my mysqld goes to 100% CPU and stays there. The query itself does not even need to actually make use of those tables.
[05:20:13] jpabq: I can have just ",credits" or just ",people" and it is fine, but both....
[05:20:50] wagnerrp: sounds about right
[05:21:23] wagnerrp: pastebin your query
[05:22:14] jpabq: http://pastebin.com/NgqVsWGV
[05:23:17] wagnerrp: are you sure you dont have to JOIN anything?
[05:23:36] jpabq: Nope ;-)
[05:24:27] wagnerrp: that should work
[05:24:36] jpabq: I tried doing this using the custom record screen on mythfrontend, but it freezes (with mysqld at 100%") so I am kinda guessing as the to propery query.
[05:26:39] jpabq: Like I said, the query itself does not seem to be the problem. I can simply have a query of "program.subtitle LIKE '%Brian Cox%'" and that will be fine, until I tell it to use additional tables of ",people,credits" in mythweb.
[05:27:26] wagnerrp: im guessing it starts processing that query as soon as you bring in those additional tables
[05:27:57] wagnerrp: meaning you instantly get all the programs, times all the credits entries, times all the people entries
[05:28:19] wagnerrp: a number easily in the trillions
[05:29:14] jpabq: *IN* mysql, this query will cause it to "hang": select * from program,people,credits where program.subtitle LIKE '%Brian Cox%';
[05:29:46] wagnerrp: right, because youre pulling every people entry, times ever credits entry, times every program entry with brian cox in the subtitle
[05:29:59] wagnerrp: every combination possible
[05:30:08] wagnerrp: so hundreds of billions
[05:32:27] wagnerrp: you might want to investigate the queries the python bindings generate for that purpose
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[05:35:24] Beirdo: ooooh
[05:35:32] Beirdo: I think I know what I borked
[05:35:36] Beirdo: sigh
[05:35:48] Beirdo: on bootup, only the gpt disks are visible to gpt
[05:35:56] slacker-: wagnerrp: i am, why?
[05:36:09] wagnerrp: because bt878 != digital
[05:36:16] Beirdo: so the raidz1 isn't... and it's in hte zroot pool, and it's trying to read from it and can't
[05:36:25] Beirdo: time to split a pool
[05:36:29] slacker-: oh, the old dvico fusion lite dvb-t comes with a bt878 chip
[05:36:42] wagnerrp: and you shouldnt be using it
[05:37:00] slacker-: the card?
[05:37:09] jpabq: wagnerrp, thanks for your help. Splitting the record rule into two pieces (one for Brian Cox in the title/subtitle, and one for Brian Cox as the Host) seems to work.
[05:37:43] slacker-: wagnerrp: why not?
[05:37:55] wagnerrp: jpabq: this is (nearly) what the bindings produce for a guide search with the same parameters... http://pastebin.com/5gPZNXEY
[05:38:23] wagnerrp: slacker-: because its a bt878 card
[05:38:48] slacker-: you'll have to explain that
[05:39:17] wagnerrp: its explanation in and of itself
[05:39:21] wagnerrp: brooktree cards are garbage
[05:39:36] slacker-: it worked fine for me for the last 5 years
[05:39:54] wagnerrp: doesnt mean its not garbage
[05:39:59] wagnerrp: the digital side is perfectly fine
[05:40:06] jpabq: wagnerrp, thanks --- but how would I encode that into the record table, such that the scheduler would understand it?
[05:40:18] wagnerrp: but the analog side isnt worth the $0.25 it took to add analog support
[05:40:30] wagnerrp: jpabq: dont know to be honest, ive never written a power rule
[05:40:50] jpabq: wagnerrp, okay. Well, that does help. Thanks again.
[05:41:15] slacker-: wagnerrp: I don't think I've used the analog side.
[05:41:20] wagnerrp: thank kormoc, he wrote the query, i just figured out how to generate it pragmatically
[05:41:29] wagnerrp: bah... stupid spell check
[05:41:34] wagnerrp: programatically
[05:42:13] slacker-: are you saying I don't have to load the bt module and it'll still work?
[05:42:55] wagnerrp: very possibly
[05:43:07] wagnerrp: in any case, if you are not using analog, then any analog errors can be safely ignored
[05:43:46] slacker-: the problem is, if I stick the card in, my syslog will fill up /var in a few seconds
[05:43:56] slacker-: which is what happened before
[05:44:06] wagnerrp: either blacklist the module
[05:44:18] wagnerrp: or edit your modprobe to quiet the module
[05:44:38] slacker-: yeah. well I hadn't considered that because I thought the bt module is required
[05:48:11] slacker-: first I have to figure out how to get this remote to work
[06:07:35] slacker-: hmm. plugging in the receiver would be the first step...
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[06:22:03] Jaded-Jacob: Hi.
[06:22:31] Jaded-Jacob: I'm thinking about setting up mythtv on a spare pentium 4 with 2GB of ram and 200gig drive.
[06:22:44] wagnerrp: using what tuner?
[06:24:11] Jaded-Jacob: Leadtek Winfast TV2000 XP RM
[06:24:26] Jaded-Jacob: (878a chipset)
[06:24:31] wagnerrp: eew
[06:25:52] wagnerrp: considering at least one of your stations has permanently shut down analog
[06:26:01] wagnerrp: and more are to follow in the next year
[06:26:12] wagnerrp: its probably not worth even trying to screw with a framegrabber
[06:26:23] wagnerrp: pick up a digital tuner and avoid the mess entirely
[06:26:29] Jaded-Jacob: hmmm
[06:26:41] Jaded-Jacob: We're already on digital
[06:26:46] Jaded-Jacob: Sky digital.
[06:27:00] Jaded-Jacob: RCA composite video connection
[06:27:01] wagnerrp: isnt sky a satellite service?
[06:27:20] Jaded-Jacob: yes
[06:27:33] wagnerrp: in which case you still dont want to bother with that framegrabber
[06:27:38] wagnerrp: find a used PVR-150
[06:27:51] wagnerrp: they go for around $20 here in the states
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[06:29:56] wagnerrp: are you planning on leaving this machine on all the time?
[06:32:37] Jaded-Jacob: no, only when I want to record something
[06:33:03] wagnerrp: ok, power consumption wont be that bad then
[06:33:19] wagnerrp: a P4 versus a modern system, at least with hardware and electricity costs over here
[06:33:35] wagnerrp: an always-on machine would recover its cost upgrading a P4 to an i3 in about a year and a half
[06:33:53] wagnerrp: and thats not counting the huge boost in performance
[06:34:43] slacker-: hmm.. I can't even get anything coming out the input device for the remote :/
[06:34:55] wagnerrp: what kernel and lirc version?
[06:35:21] Jaded-Jacob: an i3 will use less technology because of throttling?
[06:35:31] Jaded-Jacob: *power i mean
[06:35:33] wagnerrp: s/technology/power/
[06:35:47] wagnerrp: an i3 will use less power, period, even under full load
[06:36:01] wagnerrp: as will an Athlon II
[06:36:41] wagnerrp: the only real throttling the P4s had was to save themselves from overheating
[06:37:00] wagnerrp: other than that, they basically ran near TDP the whole time
[06:37:09] Jaded-Jacob: :{
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[06:39:18] wagnerrp: the P4 was a design 15 years ahead of its time
[06:39:38] wagnerrp: it was very deeply pipelined, meaning it had the potential for very high clock rate and single threaded performance
[06:39:52] wagnerrp: but it didnt have the instruction dispatcher to manage it properly
[06:40:09] wagnerrp: meaning the chip sat idle half the time waiting for its pipeline to fill back up
[06:42:07] wagnerrp: as a result, it ended up running hot and slow
[06:42:24] wagnerrp: so intel abandoned it, and basically started back fresh from the P3 again
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[07:04:42] slacker-: hm.. I can use the leadtek remote with the dvico receiver. pressing "right" closes the device
[07:27:31] Beirdo: ah MAN
[07:27:35] Beirdo: still not working
[07:43:01] Beirdo: wagnerrp: I think I need to rebuild that box
[07:43:28] Beirdo: putting the raidz1 into zroot was a mistake, and I'm not sure there's a clean way to take it out
[07:44:12] Beirdo: I'm thinking the simplest is to create every zfs filesystem on my new zdata (while running from Fixit)
[07:44:25] Beirdo: and rsyncing the whole lot over
[07:44:55] Beirdo: then destroying the zroot and recreating it as just the mirror of the system disks
[07:45:02] Beirdo: move all the system stuff back
[07:45:16] Beirdo: then add the raidz1 disks to zdata
[07:45:39] Beirdo: gpt can't see the disks past 3 disks
[07:45:47] Beirdo: as best I can tell
[07:46:21] Beirdo: well gptzloader or whatever it's called
[07:46:58] Beirdo: and I had to swap locations of the two cards or one of the drives doesn't get instantiated
[07:47:28] Beirdo: gptzfsboot. that's it
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[08:01:18] slacker-: can you not have multiple remotes defined in lircd.conf? I've included two config files and now none of my remotes work. If I include only the first, the first remote works
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[13:43:38] Davethistle: Does anyone know if a second generation ion with a D525 cpu is up to the task of running as a combined frontend/backend?
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[13:48:07] hume: hi all... I have a time zone problem: there is a time difference between my client and my server. Both run ntpd, both are ubuntu 11.04. Difference is some 5–10 mins. Anyone got any idea on this?
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[15:04:45] wagnerrp: aww
[15:05:00] wagnerrp: leaves three minutes before i can answer
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[15:10:19] sphery: and hume left 40min before I could guess at his answer
[15:11:14] sphery: (in case he notices the archives, I'm guessing a borked ntp.drift file)
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[15:13:44] sphery: wagnerrp: btw, seems you're not the only one who feels AMD's Athlon II/Phenom II range is old and tired: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2096 . . . aming-scheme
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[15:14:47] sphery: (and the new naming schema is also based around a push of the desktop chips to Bulldozer, which should be very good news for performance--though I'll be more interested in the 2012 Q1 lower-power refresh)
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[15:56:24] wagnerrp: i was under the impression bulldozer was more for efficiency than performance
[15:56:29] wagnerrp: at least initially
[15:56:53] iamlindoro: This guy is hopeless
[15:57:53] iamlindoro: I just want to hit him with the supply chain trout
[15:59:17] wagnerrp: you can make money by adding in software to allow users to pay to download movies?
[15:59:32] wagnerrp: well hell, looks like were getting a studio contract!
[16:00:24] iamlindoro: yeah, feel free to address that
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[16:12:24] wagnerrp: ok, another 'youre an ignorant fool' post for him to read
[16:16:29] wagnerrp: the WDTVs dont come with a hard drive do they?
[16:17:00] wagnerrp: no, theyre network playback only
[16:17:17] wagnerrp: so wait, this guy doesnt actually want to record anything?
[16:17:20] wagnerrp: he just wants playback?
[16:17:32] wagnerrp: why is he contacting us?
[16:18:20] wagnerrp: seems lawsuits aside, an appletv running xbmc would do the trick
[16:22:22] wagnerrp: sphery: youll enjoy this one... http://techcrunch.com/2011/07/22/who-could-ha . . . s-your-eyes/
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[16:39:30] kormoc: wagnerrp, What do you mean you have to license content from the studios to legally allow unlimited movie downloads?
[16:40:00] wagnerrp: kormoc: hes in australia, not china... :)
[16:40:23] kormoc: That's just crazy talk. They make those movies for the good of Humanity, not out of some capitalistic greedy money grab motive!
[16:40:51] wagnerrp: have you updated your machine in the last few days?
[16:41:09] kormoc: nope
[16:41:38] wagnerrp: i just rebuilt against some thursday night hash and am getting segfaults
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[16:58:25] ** wagnerrp is going to be disappointed if he actually shut the guy up **
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[17:10:43] sphery: wagnerrp: heh, nice!
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[17:12:28] sphery: wagnerrp: was just assuming that we'd get performance, too, with bulldozer since it's the first core redesign since the Athlon II/Phenom II
[17:13:25] wagnerrp: im not so sure on that one
[17:13:41] wagnerrp: as i understood it, much of our multimedia needs are floating point math
[17:13:59] wagnerrp: and that 8-core processor only has 4 FPUs
[17:14:09] wagnerrp: 4-core only has 2
[17:16:39] sphery: well, I hope they're not replacing their Pentium III's with Pentium 4's--I'd have thought they'd have learned the lesson from watching Intel
[17:17:03] wagnerrp: admittedly, i dont know how that 2x128-bit FPU stands up to the older variants
[17:17:34] sphery: (i.e. going from good general purpose cpus to "designed only for specific applications that are designed to use the SIMD/graphics accel stuff")
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[17:20:30] wagnerrp: the problem with the P4 was excessively long pipelines, and no decent fetch/decode to back it up
[17:21:16] wagnerrp: were slowly edging back into the long pipeline arena, i think bulldozer and sandybridge are both around 20 stages
[17:22:00] sphery: actually, P4 removed a ton of FPUs and ALUs, IIRC
[17:22:00] wagnerrp: but this time, weve got another decade of microprocessor design to build good headends to keep them filled
[17:22:10] sphery: and the long pipeline just made it worse
[17:23:24] sphery: http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/diff . . . i-processor/
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[17:24:21] wagnerrp: i knew the athlon's FPU was significantly better than the P4s
[17:24:30] wagnerrp: but i didnt realize it was because they intentionally gimped it
[17:24:37] sphery: actually, that page isn't answering the question for me
[17:25:09] sphery: but, yeah, I thought they gimped it saying, "Use SSE/SSE2 instead"
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[17:33:36] sphery: heh, sounds like Apple heard that Google was bidding on Hulu and is planning to rain on Google's parade, again (exactly like they did with the Nortel patent bid)
[17:34:11] sphery: I kind of hope Apple does buy Hulu--just to make it even more irrelevant (and to keep Google TV from ever succeeding :)
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[17:47:23] stuartm: assuming a large enough overlap between the audiences who like faux-3D and those who like mindless hollywood crap, is it wrong of me not to care if they go blind? It might mean studios having to produce decent films for those who still have their sight
[17:48:03] stuartm: it should also help to relieve traffic congestion ...
[17:48:05] wagnerrp: yes it is wrong, because those people will continue driving in cars long after their (real) 3D vision has gone south
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[17:55:13] wagnerrp: kormoc: well, whatever the problem, seems a rebuild has fixed my segfaulting issues
[17:56:14] wagnerrp: stuartm: will mythfilldatabase not update a source with no tuners connected to it?
[17:59:40] stuartm: wagnerrp: I'd have to check the source, I can't remember ever seeing code preventing it from running but that doesn't mean it isn't there
[18:00:07] stuartm: it would be a 'feature' that pre-dated my time as maintainer
[18:03:15] stuartm: wagnerrp: are you running it manually or allowing the housekeeper to run it?
[18:03:39] stuartm: it could be the housekeeper which decides not to run it, not mfdb itself
[18:03:54] stuartm: bbl, food's burning
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[18:08:58] wagnerrp: im just expecting the housekeeper to run it
[18:09:08] wagnerrp: but the housekeeper should just be running 'mythfilldatabase --dd-grab-all'
[18:09:14] wagnerrp: it shouldnt be descriminating on source
[18:09:34] sphery: wagnerrp: at one point it was running for even disconnected sources
[18:09:43] sphery: looking to find the related issue...
[18:09:51] sphery: I don't remember if it was changed to not do that
[18:10:01] sphery: but mfdb makes all the decisions about which sources it runs for
[18:10:20] sphery: I /think/ it still runs for all specified sources that are not marked EIT only or No Grabber
[18:10:22] wagnerrp: ive had my analog tuners disabled for some time, until i get a chance to get an IR blaster working
[18:10:33] wagnerrp: but until yesterday, its been kept full of guide data
[18:10:42] sphery: ok, it wasn't oprah...
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[18:18:12] oobe: is mythvideo no longer a login in master/.25pre
[18:18:23] wagnerrp: a login?
[18:19:09] sphery: wagnerrp: ok, so 99.999999% positive we still run mythfilldatabase/update all sources, even unconnected ones
[18:20:14] sphery: #1319 was the ticket... and the fix/change was simply to ensure we do the post-filldatabase chores even if we fail to grab data on one of the sources
[18:20:55] oobe: lol sorry
[18:20:59] oobe: a plugin
[18:21:07] sphery: right, no more plugin
[18:21:07] oobe: I dont know how I wrote login
[18:21:20] wagnerrp: sphery, stuartm: scratch that... seems SD simply removed my analog cable lineup
[18:21:25] sphery: which means whatever you do, don't do the old "delete mythvideo schema and restart mythfrontend to recreate it"
[18:21:27] oobe: thanks sphery
[18:21:43] sphery: it's not part of core mythtv
[18:21:46] sphery: s/not/now/
[18:21:57] sphery: I /really/ need to stop that particular typo
[18:22:44] sphery: wagnerrp: cool... glad you figured it out
[18:23:43] wagnerrp: sadly, they dont seem to have anything that is specifically the DTA
[18:24:08] sphery: wagnerrp: btw, just saw a clip of Cowboys & Aliens (from Tonight Show) and I'm so looking forward to it
[18:24:35] sphery: I remember xr is was talking about some plan to make it easy for people to select "just the dta channels" or whatever
[18:24:45] sphery: don't know details--didn't pay enough attention since I don't have cable
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[18:25:42] sphery: may have actually just been a "we need to find a way" thing...
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[18:29:45] wagnerrp: is it --remove-new-channels i want to add?
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[18:30:29] sphery: yeah, if you have channels for another input on the lineup and you want to keep them out of this video source
[18:30:56] sphery: (was originally designed to remove the new channels from the lineup, but now it's really "don't add new channels")
[18:31:11] sphery: it doesn't remove them from the lineup, anymore
[18:31:35] sphery: (actually, was originally designed to remove channels that weren't used on any video source from the lineup...)
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[18:33:49] oobe: hmm I just installed pre like 2 mins ago and everything looks to be working ok except my jump point to go to mythvideo doesnt work
[18:34:09] wagnerrp: sphery: yeah, that seems to have fixed things
[18:34:11] oobe: I went to the key bindings settings and it was still set to what I have always used
[18:35:22] sphery: oobe: yeah, it's not a plugin, anymore, so the jump point won't work
[18:35:47] sphery: I guess it needs to be replaced with a non-plugin jump point
[18:35:50] wagnerrp: sphery: so that means a new jump point will need to be manually added back?
[18:36:04] oobe: oh that makes sense
[18:36:43] oobe: heh totally not an issue considering how many other things are fixed and new features etc.
[18:36:56] sphery: s/it/they/
[18:38:14] sphery: s/replaced/re-added/?
[18:45:29] sphery: heh, seems if you look at 0.24-fixes source to see how they're implemented, you won't find them in mythtv core :)
[18:46:14] Slasher`:
[18:46:43] [R]: everyone someoen watches analog tv a kitty gets killed
[18:46:46] [R]: think of the kitties!
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[18:46:51] [R]: everytime*
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[18:47:12] Slasher`: i wont use it for analog
[18:47:19] Slasher`: i just want the s-video input so i can plug my sky box into it
[18:47:28] sphery: oobe: ok, looks like they were already re-done, so should work? I'll look into it next time my dev box is booted
[18:47:33] [R]: svideo IS analog...
[18:47:34] [R]: lol
[18:47:39] Slasher`: oh
[18:47:44] sphery: (and maybe finish up the "reset all keybindings" patch at the same time)
[18:47:46] Slasher`: well then what would you recommend instead
[18:48:01] Slasher`: i aint shelling out for something with a hdmi port lol
[18:48:05] [R]: i dunno what kind of solutions uk people have
[18:48:13] [R]: you cant' record with hdmi, so thats ok
[18:48:21] Slasher`: pretty much the same as the usa just pal not ntsc
[18:48:26] Slasher`: oh can you not
[18:48:27] Slasher`: damn
[18:48:28] Slasher`: sucky
[18:48:29] sphery: Slasher`: with sky your only option is analog recording, TTBOMK
[18:48:38] [R]: really? thats awful
[18:48:57] sphery: [R]: it's just like Dish/DirecTV, here :)
[18:49:04] Slasher`: ahh fair
[18:49:04] [R]: oh, well you can record with hdpvr
[18:49:09] [R]: althoug hi guess tahts analog still
[18:49:11] [R]: but hd analog
[18:49:30] [R]: i should rephrase and say everytime someone watches sd analog a kitty gets killed
[18:49:55] sphery: Slasher`: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/UK_Television + http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/UK_Television#Sky
[18:50:32] Slasher`: which in turn is owned by News Corp..
[18:50:34] Slasher`: it's not
[18:50:37] Slasher`: they tried
[18:50:43] Slasher`: but our gov said sod off lol
[18:50:55] Slasher`: think he owns 60 some % of the shares
[18:51:44] sphery: [R]: I think the Sky boxes only output HDMI with HDCP enabled, so you can't use HD-PVR without a device that strips out the hdmi
[18:52:01] [R]: no component?
[18:52:01] Slasher`: oh well thanks for that, looks like i will have to get an analog card which brings me back to my original question lol
[18:52:23] Slasher`: all sky boxes have coax/RF out
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[18:53:08] sphery: right, but that would be PAL-encoded, likely
[18:53:17] Slasher`: yeah
[18:53:49] [R]: sounds like a lot of dead kitties
[18:53:59] [R]: and burning eyes
[18:54:05] [R]: from the awful reencoded sd
[18:54:21] Slasher`: either way
[18:54:28] Slasher`: my sky box is only SD
[18:54:42] Slasher`: and it beats hooking it up to my 15" crt tv
[18:54:44] [R]: no hd!?
[18:54:45] Slasher`: which i want to scrap
[18:54:49] sphery: Slasher`: I will link you to this page, but I'm not going to say anything more about the page/its contents: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR
[18:55:10] Slasher`: hmm ok thanks
[18:55:12] Slasher`: ill look
[18:55:40] sphery: ah, but if your sky box is SDTV only and you're not planning on upgrading, doesn't really apply
[18:56:11] Slasher`: nah im not planning on upgrading, i don't watch tv enough to be fair
[18:56:25] sphery: cool, then PVR-150 is a good choice
[18:56:31] Slasher`: i just want it pretty much for the sake of having it haha
[18:56:45] sphery: or any new hardware-encoding card for PAL
[18:56:54] Slasher`: i've had 2 ntsc ones, ive had to send both back, first was an exchange for the 2nd, the 2nd has the same issue so i sent that back for a refund
[18:57:01] sphery: I don't know the PAL/DVB stuff, though, so don't know what they have over there
[18:57:26] Slasher`: someone in here said s-video was region free, hence why i bought ntsc ones, they were the only ones i could find :/
[18:57:29] sphery: wait, are you the one who was in here trying to get it working...
[18:57:33] Slasher`: yeah
[18:57:38] sphery: one I wanted to help 2 times and failed
[18:57:41] sphery: ah, too bad
[18:57:42] Slasher`:
[18:57:50] Slasher`: wondering if its worth it
[18:58:01] Slasher`: yeah i think you've helped me a few times
[18:58:23] sphery: yeah, you had talked with Devin about the new offerings and it was slim pickings for PAL input, IIRC
[18:58:33] sphery: so PVR-150 would probably be best
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[18:59:03] Slasher`: yeah i did
[18:59:17] Slasher`: but cos im an awkward so-and-so it has to be low profile for my pc lol
[18:59:31] sphery: yeah
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[19:00:31] Slasher`: but i've bought a pci riser ribbon thing and bid on a full size one now lol
[19:00:55] Slasher`: i was gonna mount that somehow inside my case but as i say i got offered a low profile one for 30 euros, might go for that instead and keep the others spare
[19:01:03] Slasher`:
[19:01:34] sphery: OK, so I'm watching the finale of Smallville, and when Clark and Lois are arguing, I just can't stop thinking about: http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2305#comic
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[19:02:43] Slasher`: lol
[19:04:34] sphery: Twiggy2cents: ^^^ (I'm finally watching Smallvile finale)
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[19:14:21] ** iamlindoro is somewhat annoyed by people putting Amy Winehouse in the same group as Morrison/Hendrix/etc. just because she died at the same age **
[19:14:52] wagnerrp: ive heard the name, but i have no idea who she is
[19:15:04] wagnerrp: aside from some singer, apparently
[19:15:19] iamlindoro: You've probably heard "Rehab" played relentlessly
[19:15:20] sphery: I only know her as some druggie
[19:15:38] Slasher`: if she could write on FML i would vote YDI
[19:15:50] sphery: (the target of jokes on Leno and Epic Movie and ...)
[19:16:28] iamlindoro: Anyone who didn't see this coming is delusional, though, everyone was getting their piece of her while they could, knowing full well she was going to end up dead
[19:17:13] wagnerrp: never seen epic movie... luckily
[19:17:21] sphery: gotta say that wikipedia is definitely on the ball
[19:17:31] sphery: already have the update on her page
[19:19:31] iamlindoro: I fear there's a morbid sort of glee involved in wikipedia editors being the "first post" to amend someone's article after their death
[19:19:57] sphery: and a many pages of history to update it (each page is 50 edits--there are >4...)
[19:21:13] sphery: looks like about 225 edits for it... goes back through http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amy . . . tion=history , where the first edit of the day added it
[19:23:52] stuartm: iamlindoro: there's a long history of describing a musician/actor/other as a genius when they die young because for some reason people imagine that they would have only become greater with time (how often is that really true, most young talents actually peak very early and go on to mediocrity)
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[19:25:33] iamlindoro: stuartm: It's tough to suggest that Winehouse's best days were ahead, too-- if anything she's been irrelevant for several years at least due to her addictions
[19:26:34] stuartm: e.g. I think Kurt Cobain and Nirvana were overrated, River Phoenix's career would almost certainly have followed the same trajectory of those like of the 80s brat pack (Sheen, Estevez, Ringwald, Lowe etc)
[19:28:44] stuartm: people like tragic stories and if they can build those who died up into some sort of hero then that's all the better for the story
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[20:47:18] wagnerrp: ugh... i just locked #9869 due to a bump
[20:47:29] wagnerrp: but now i want to request backend logs and information about pulseaudio
[20:47:48] wagnerrp: and dont want to give the bumper the satisfaction of knowing his bump made a difference
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[21:09:10] Beirdo: wagnerrp: is it possible to email the original poster?
[21:09:20] Beirdo: :)
[21:10:04] Beirdo: Ugh, my goodness... today's gonna be a day of moving filesystems around, I think
[21:11:06] wagnerrp: yeah, i was considering doing that
[21:11:26] wagnerrp: moving filesystems around?
[21:13:00] wagnerrp: were down to 375 tickets
[21:13:10] Beirdo: yeah, I need o get the raidz out of zroot pool
[21:13:27] Beirdo: to do that, I have to take all of the data OFF the pool and recreate it
[21:13:48] wagnerrp: fun
[21:14:02] wagnerrp: what are you trying to do with all this again?
[21:14:17] Beirdo: I want to use this machine as a fileserver
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[21:14:38] wagnerrp: in place of that 6-drive backend?
[21:14:42] Beirdo: but right now it won't boot as gptzfsboot can't see all teh drives in the pool
[21:14:47] Beirdo: no
[21:14:48] wagnerrp: or as a big redundant array?
[21:14:56] Beirdo: for backups, etc
[21:15:02] Beirdo: general use fileserver
[21:15:08] wagnerrp: ah
[21:15:29] Beirdo: so I'm going to make zroot be just the mirror with the system on it
[21:15:44] Beirdo: zdata will have the two raidz1 in it
[21:15:55] wagnerrp: 8 drives?
[21:15:59] Beirdo: yup
[21:16:10] ** wagnerrp needs a new array **
[21:16:43] Beirdo: 4 750G 2.5" drives, 4 1TB WD Blacks that were in the backend box, and now in an eSATA enclosure
[21:18:00] Beirdo: right now the 750s are in zroot, causing me booting issues :)
[21:19:11] Beirdo: so the machine will be Fixit for a while
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[21:44:15] Beirdo: la la la...
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[22:00:40] iamlindoro: Ooof, guy on the list trying to use Myth in windows, AND on wireless, AND on an underpowered system with Intel graphics
[22:00:44] iamlindoro: What could POSSIBLY go wrong??
[22:01:34] Slasher`: myth works on windows?
[22:01:45] wagnerrp: as a frontend, mostly
[22:01:59] Slasher`: ah fair
[22:02:06] ** Slasher` explodes **
[22:05:33] stuartm: windows, osx, freebsd and of course linux ... but all of the developers are primarily working on the linux version, the other platforms are secondary concerns
[22:06:18] wagnerrp: hey now...
[22:06:27] ** wagnerrp works primarily on the freebsd version **
[22:08:28] wagnerrp: of course im doing all background stuff
[22:08:47] iamlindoro: If my OS X system weren't a laptop, I might spend more time poking at the BE on OS X... it might become a more appealing target when the HDHR Prime is out
[22:08:50] wagnerrp: for which the only real difference between linux and bsd is some changed header files, or a missing define here and there
[22:12:18] wagnerrp: the problem with the OSX backend stuff is that the way apple is positioning their hardware, it really only makes sense for a standalone system sitting right next to your tv
[22:12:33] wagnerrp: or in the case of an imac, in place of your tv
[22:12:47] sphery: iamlindoro: I hear that you can get Apple TV boxes cheap...
[22:12:52] iamlindoro: sphery: heh
[22:13:10] iamlindoro: wagnerrp: Well, a Mini next to the TV isn't that unappealing
[22:13:19] iamlindoro: with a network connection to an HDHR Prime
[22:13:30] wagnerrp: iamlindoro: certainly not, thats what kormoc is doing
[22:13:32] Slasher`: it's apple
[22:13:39] wagnerrp: but its inherently limiting
[22:13:41] iamlindoro: Slasher`: So?
[22:13:45] Slasher`: does anyone need any more of a reason for it not to sit anywhere other than as a doorstop?
[22:13:46] sphery: but you can't use a Mini for a frontend, anymore--it's now AMD graphics!
[22:13:58] wagnerrp: sphery: is that an issue on OSX?
[22:14:18] iamlindoro: Slasher`: That just makes you sounds ridiculous
[22:14:27] Slasher`: it was supposed to be a joke
[22:14:32] sphery: yeah, good point--no worse than others since it has no real video api for us
[22:14:37] iamlindoro: It's well made commodity PC hardware in an attractive form factor
[22:14:57] iamlindoro: sphery: Well luckily we now have VAAPI ;)
[22:15:08] wagnerrp: who gets ffmpeg stuff these days?
[22:15:13] wagnerrp: markk or beirdo?
[22:15:32] sphery: heh, but VAAPI is GNU and/or Linux only, right?
[22:15:33] iamlindoro: mark doesn't usually work on the decode side
[22:15:37] iamlindoro: mostly presentation
[22:15:41] sphery: I'm guessing that OS X doesn't supportit
[22:15:43] iamlindoro: sphery: Well, there's VDA too
[22:16:01] iamlindoro: though admittedly it's a halfassed acceleration implementation
[22:16:17] sphery: half-appled, right?
[22:16:20] wagnerrp: Beirdo: you did the last sync, so im tossing you 9926
[22:16:51] wagnerrp: actually, im going to make a separate category specifically for video decoding
[22:16:59] sphery: good plan
[22:17:01] Beirdo: OK, I'll tak e a look
[22:18:00] Beirdo: it feels weird rsyncing /usr to a new filesystem
[22:18:14] Beirdo: thank goodness for fixit :)
[22:19:38] thepersonofatown: Has anyone experienced the error "IOError: cannot write mode I as JPEG" in MythArchive 0.24+fixes? How can I correct it?
[22:21:21] Beirdo: wagnerrp: yeah, toss me 9926, it was on my list of things to investigate anyways :)
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[22:28:08] sphery: thepersonofatown: sounds like you have a broken PIL
[22:28:20] sphery: should have taken the blue pill...
[22:28:33] sphery: http://www.pythonware.com/products/pil/
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[22:32:11] thepersonofatown: That was my first guess, but I do have 1.1.7–2build2 installed (on Ubuntu 11.04 x64)
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[22:34:27] ** Beirdo is now transferring back to the recreated zroot **
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[22:34:41] Beirdo: fun times
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[22:34:47] sphery: heh, you let it out for some R&R and it's coming back, now?
[22:35:04] Beirdo: hehe
[22:35:29] sphery: (having completed its rest and relaxation, it's now had its recreation time...)
[22:35:31] Beirdo: had to take all the stuff off the zpool, recreate it without the raidz1 as part of it
[22:35:44] Beirdo: (you can't shrink a zpool as easily as lvm!)
[22:36:02] Beirdo: the one *major* downfall of zfs so far
[22:37:06] Beirdo: ugh, and I still need to figure out where to setup the new HDHR3 that's going to be on the devel box
[22:37:16] Beirdo: I don't have any spare ethernet ports left
[22:39:06] Beirdo: once that's in (and the GT220 for the devel box) I can watch TV in the office, and use a real devel box again
[22:41:10] wagnerrp: dont you already have a HDHR?
[22:41:29] Beirdo: yes
[22:41:48] Beirdo: but it's on a different network, and is used for "production" recordings
[22:42:34] wagnerrp: meh, just have it record at odd hours
[22:42:47] wagnerrp: more tuners for regular recordings
[22:42:49] wagnerrp: :)
[22:42:56] Beirdo: meh, I'm not pulling HD across wireless :)
[22:43:18] wagnerrp: well see, theres your real problem
[22:43:35] wagnerrp: you spent $120 to fix a $40 problem
[22:44:28] Beirdo: it's not a $40 problem. It's a problem of having wires running across two rooms
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[22:44:54] wagnerrp: thats not a problem, thats an issue with interior decorating
[22:44:58] wagnerrp: :P
[22:45:17] Beirdo: heheh
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[22:55:57] Beirdo: OK, the HDHR3 packaging is NOT as nice as the older HDHR
[22:56:30] Beirdo: it's too small, has no mass, and wants to sit at a 30 degree angle being pulled down by cables
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[22:56:39] pyther: Hello
[22:56:53] Beirdo: if anyone from silicondust is here... I hate the smaller case :)
[22:57:13] pyther: Is it possible to display chanels from two different sources in the same scroll menu?
[22:57:54] iamlindoro: "same scroll menu?"
[22:58:20] pyther: yah when I'm in live tv and I hit the up/down arrows i get a channel listing... I can scroll through the channels for the current source
[22:58:31] pyther: I'd like channels from my other source to be integrated
[22:59:01] pyther: For example I have my cable channels but I also have my OTA channels
[22:59:29] Beirdo: OK, stole the switch from the bedroom
[22:59:34] iamlindoro: There is a setting called "Browse all channels," but tehre are serious performance implications to turning it on, as well as potentially throwing off the scheduler and causing recordings to be missed
[22:59:39] iamlindoro: which is why it's off by default
[22:59:52] iamlindoro: and no, I don't know where it's located
[23:00:01] pyther: ahh then I'll just leave it the way it is
[23:07:23] wagnerrp: Beirdo: i velcro mine to the ceiling
[23:08:50] Beirdo: hehe
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[23:11:19] Beirdo: gah, almost forgot the root partition :)
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[23:12:56] Beirdo: that woulda been fun
[23:13:08] Beirdo: noticed when I went to copy zpool.cache over
[23:14:09] Beirdo: YAY
[23:14:18] Beirdo: it booteth again!
[23:14:36] iamlindoro: I love booteth
[23:14:48] iamlindoro: booteth headsets, booteth mice, booteth speakers
[23:14:52] iamlindoro: the list goes on and on
[23:15:13] Beirdo: gpt/disk0 UNAVAIL
[23:15:17] Beirdo: oook, what now?
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[23:17:09] Beirdo: OK, FreeBSD has a bug
[23:17:29] Beirdo: the last slot in my eSATA expansion box is empty
[23:17:40] Beirdo: so the next drive it tries to instantiate, it turfs
[23:17:49] Beirdo: even on another controller
[23:19:05] Beirdo: sigh. let's try this... I'll get it perfect soon, but what a learning curve :)
[23:22:31] Beirdo: yay
[23:22:47] Beirdo: OK, now, close the box and don't bloody touch it, or you'll break something
[23:23:55] wagnerrp: to be honest, ive never tried live attachment of hard drives
[23:24:05] wagnerrp: until recently, my system didnt actually support AHCI
[23:24:21] wagnerrp: and while it would in fact work if i forced a rescan of the ATA interface
[23:24:39] wagnerrp: it would invariably result in a kernel panic roughly 6 hours later
[23:25:01] Beirdo: I had to use ahci for the onboard, and it preloaded the ata drivers for my raid controllers
[23:25:28] wagnerrp: and my raid card shows up as scsi, so its a separate subsystem
[23:29:17] Beirdo: OK, GT220 into the dev box
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[23:38:04] justinh: haha that'll learn me. tried updating the settings table before I left the house tonight to stop unbrowsable videos being shown on my frontend. Did update settings set "blah" etc without a WHERE clause. Dug out a backup, had to sed & awk it to find the right part to restore it. OOPS
[23:38:39] justinh: really should get around to theming some more screens so I don't have to do stupid tricks like that
[23:38:52] wagnerrp: hehe
[23:38:58] wagnerrp: that'll learn ya
[23:39:25] Beirdo: OUCH
[23:39:32] Beirdo: that's gotta suck :)
[23:39:33] justinh: surprising though, even a mere 250MB of sql is too much for a text editor
[23:40:58] justinh: I think I might upgrade mythtv in a bit. started ripping DVDs again & transcoding is a *pain* even on my new quadcore box. need iso SG support really
[23:41:39] justinh: space requirements are nothing compared to transcoding zillions of music videos
[23:41:50] justinh: transcoding, renaming.. argh
[23:42:04] justinh: least moving them is less of an issue now.. got gig E at last :)
[23:44:13] justinh: 3.2Ghz AMD er... X4 something.. umm... the thingy one but not black edition. Get around 75fps turning DVD into h.264
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[23:45:19] justinh: phenom.. that was it. jees I just got it a few days ago & I couldn't remember
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[23:48:56] justinh: gah. double-sided discs are a bore
[23:55:33] wagnerrp: justinh: ISOs are supported over storage groups
[23:55:48] wagnerrp: that went in well prior to 0.24
[23:56:16] justinh: still on 0.23 here
[23:56:44] justinh: no compelling reason to update & the only theme my wife likes needs love to make it good on >0.23
[23:56:49] wagnerrp: well there you go
[23:56:58] wagnerrp: dont complain about things we already fixed... :P
[23:57:00] justinh: only now I have a compelling reason. ISOs over SGs
[23:57:05] justinh: did I complain?
[23:57:21] wagnerrp: no, just kidding
[23:57:31] justinh: I complained that I need to update to get ISO SG support.. it's my own fault for being lazy
[23:57:45] justinh: the irony being my laziness has resulted in me needing to do even more work
[23:57:58] wagnerrp: ah, i thought you were saying it needed to be added in the first place
[23:58:12] justinh: heh naw, I know it's been in there for ages
[23:58:44] justinh: tried showing my wife some other themes which'll work with >0.23. she's not on board with any of the others
[23:59:03] wagnerrp: in any case, this guy is a douche... http://www.mythtvtalk.com/newbie-mythtv-setup-fedora-15-a-14927 http://www.mythtvtalk.com/alter-colours-14928
[23:59:07] justinh: part of me thinks she knows they're not mine & is downtalking them
[23:59:34] wagnerrp: and he spells 'colours' in that quaint british way, you should find him and beat him

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