Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, July 17th, 2011, 00:00 UTC

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jchance:

jpabq: it doesn't anymore, huh. surprising where dvb-s2 can carry ac3 or aac i thought

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jchance:

being mpeg4 avc basically

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jpabq:

Maybe it is only certain kinds of AAC? Not sure, but it does not support what the HD-PVR produces.

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iamlindoro:

jpabq: since when? Worked here last I tried it.

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jchance:

probably because most use the spdif

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jpabq:

iamlindoro, really? Has not worked for me in over a year. Maybe I am not compiling Myth with the right options?

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iamlindoro:

jpabq: Dunno-- I can't recall a time when it has ever *not* worked

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iamlindoro:

shouldn't need any special options, since ffmpeg supports the AAC encoding used natively

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jchance:

i am lazy... i use repos instead of compiles when i can..lol

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jpabq:

iamlindoro, I only notice when the HD-PVR gets confused an resets from AC3 to AAC, then I get silence.

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iamlindoro:

jpabq: A better test would be to use v4l2-ctl and set it to AAC, then cat, then play the resulting file in myth

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jchance:

with the number of machines running myth i find the mythbuntu repos suit my needs and make life easier, so yeah lazy

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jchance:

jpabq: thanks again.. i am going to get a tv fix not having one for over 3 weeks now... everyone have a great day or night depending on your location

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lwizardl:

coolcool man

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lwizardl:

oops wrong window

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lwizardl:

ok so that didn't work

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: I'm sorry, I forgot to answer your question last night-- I technically *do* have four types now, with one for recordings, but I'm not parsing the new one on the way back in-- mostly because on an import it's somewhat meaningless-- if you're parsing the file, you've already imported the file, so it's moot what type it is...

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iamlindoro:

I somewhat like the fact that you get video<->recording export import capability "for free," though obviously that's doable with a simple lookup->GetType() == klookupVideo || lookup->GetType() == klookupRecording

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iamlindoro:

unless I misunderstood which type you were referring to, anyway

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wagnerrp:

more, i was wondering if i should have two different subtypes in the bindings

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wagnerrp:

that offered different values

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iamlindoro:

oh... well, I think it's safe to leave that as one

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iamlindoro:

just only output the tags that exist (or in some cases, are > 0)

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iamlindoro:

The only tricky ones are season and episode, where you should always show both if *either* are > 0

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wagnerrp:

right, i already do that

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iamlindoro:

cool

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iamlindoro:

yeah, my output is a single function that basically just checks that each is valid, and if so, shows it

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Beirdo:

I need to find some lasagna

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iamlindoro:

which should cover more or less anything

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wagnerrp:

well, i dont check to make sure both chanid and starttime exist

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Beirdo:

I'm feeling positively Garfield-like

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wagnerrp:

but i only output a value if it has been set

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jams:

wagnerrp- just got this http://pastebin.com/90arqkRz any thoughts?

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jams:

something not defined..mismatch of bindings?

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wagnerrp:

jams: line 177

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wagnerrp:

make it 'sgs = [sg.dirname for sg in _DB....]'

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jams:

ok..but it works on two other machines

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wagnerrp:

it will only fail on machines that have storage groups defined for mythvideo content

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jams:

ah

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jams:

heh line numbers don't match up anymore

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jams:

but i found it

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jams:

now on to the next error

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: any idea if FreeBSD can handle Linux LVM?

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jams:

in case your curious this is the next thing that popped up http://pastebin.com/vqYBmTzk

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wagnerrp:

doubtful

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Beirdo:

I have stuff I'd like to transfer from an LVM'd 2TB external onto the internal drives

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Beirdo:

yeah, that's what I figured :)

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Beirdo:

thought I'd ask... I can just rsync over, but if I could do it on the same box, even better

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jams:

wagnerrp- is mysql-python 1.2.3 OK to use with python 2.7?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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jams:

ok just making sure

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jams:

had to install it before the binding would even connect

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch: I know you had put together an XML format for exported recordings, but FWIW I've extended the Universal Metadata format to support recordings over the past few days/weeks, and added functions to export a QDomDocument for a programinfo (well, two functions called in succession, but same diff)... Don't know how you want to handle their writing (automatic? On-demand?) and don't have any code for import, so you may b

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iamlindoro:

e interested in that part since I think you basically already had something working... and for the import part it would automatically perform a online lookup if no MXML exists, so that may be a win too

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wagnerrp:

could you print what the output of DisplayProfileGroups((data.name, _DB.gethostname()), _DB).profilegroupid is?

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jams:

i just printed out profilegroupid it's None

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wagnerrp:

well then youve never gone through the configuration to select a display profile

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jams:

could be

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jams:

i assume then mythbuntu would have done that all for me

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jams:

guess not

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wagnerrp:

what is _SETTINGS.DefaultVideoPlaybackProfile?

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jams:

None

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jams:

guess i will go setup a profile =)

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wagnerrp:

actually, if none, use 'Slim'

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch: FWIW, the only steps needed to export a pginfo: http://pastebin.com/LXSmQ3wU

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jams:

just running through the settings fixed it

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jams:

didn't change a thing

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jams:

thx

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jams:

one more...ERROR:root:Flushing UUID database failed

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jams:

didn't stop anything..just appeared on the console

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch: and the resulting XML: http://pastebin.com/qdWyLvHd Which can then be easily reimported with the MetadataFactory class... and which will automatically look up the item if no basename.mxml exists

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jams:

ah i may not have the smolt_user id defined

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iamlindoro:

Hahah, "Lauren can not go to a party or social event without wearing her fur suit; Adele has been eating couch cushions for twenty years."

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iamlindoro:

That's the example I just put in the wiki

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wagnerrp:

friggen furries...

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wagnerrp:

they dont need a show, they need medication

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iamlindoro:

and an unholy ass kicking

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wagnerrp:

unless they film themselves screwing with unsuspecting pedestrians

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wagnerrp:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCrDgm_H678

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iamlindoro:

I really want Game of Thrones back... a whole year, sigh

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iamlindoro:

Haha, "Some furries wear their suits while engaging in sexual activities. Currently, Lauren does not."

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iamlindoro:

This show rocks

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wagnerrp:

its like a train wreck

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wagnerrp:

but that doesnt mean train wrecks are good

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iamlindoro:

I better stop parking rental cars on railroad tracks, then

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iamlindoro:

It seems like summer TV is even more of a wasteland than usual this year

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iamlindoro:

and fall looks pretty awful too-- Terra Nova might be fun

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jams:

thats on FOX?

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iamlindoro:

Grimm and Person if Interest look OK... but aside from that

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jams:

Terra Nova?

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iamlindoro:

jams: yeah

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jams:

thought so..it does look good but I expect it to be yanked

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iamlindoro:

jams: Heh, yeah, it *is* FOX after all

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iamlindoro:

shame, I like Jason O'Mara

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jams:

like Breaking in

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wagnerrp:

too many people in modern day earth, so lets transport them into the past

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wagnerrp:

... wha???

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lwizardl:

ok whats the best version of ubuntu for configuring mythtv? reason why is I have now tried 3 version 10.04 10.10 11.04 and same thing.

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wagnerrp:

6.04, its been downhill ever since

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lwizardl:

is there a better distro other then ubuntu

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lwizardl:

like knoppix etc

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wagnerrp:

isnt knoppix defunct?

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iamlindoro:

knoppix doesn't even exist anymore, does it?

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iamlindoro:

lwizardl: Remind me what your issue is? There are hundreds, if not thousands, of happy users of the HVR-1600 on all those Ubuntu versions

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lwizardl:

i just remember being able to download a mythtv build iso from it

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lwizardl:

iamlindoro, I have tryied to install the new v4l and ivtv stuff but it refuses to detect the card in the ivtv setup

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lwizardl:

says failed to open always

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iamlindoro:

And your user is amember of the video group?

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lwizardl:

should be its a single user machine

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iamlindoro:

That doesn't mean anything

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iamlindoro:

ls -al /dev/video* to a pastebin, please

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wagnerrp:

lwizardl: no linux install is a single user machine

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lwizardl:

you know what the heck i mean, i iinstalled the system os and only created my main user account

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wagnerrp:

i dont see what relevance that has to anything

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wagnerrp:

just because you only created one user account, doesnt mean there arent dozens of other accounts

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wagnerrp:

one user, ten users, makes no difference

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lwizardl:

nvm'

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lwizardl:

i am just going to install 11.04 one more time and then I would is possible like someone to guide me so i can get a working system

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** iamlindoro sighs **

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iamlindoro:

fine, help yourself, then

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iamlindoro:

Since I tried to help you and was ignored

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lwizardl:

iamlindoro, I was going to copy the command you posted but since this was not the version of the OS i wanted to keep on my system figured it would be better to start on the version I want

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lwizardl:

I only installed 10.04 due to someone in the mythbuntu chatroom saying that it works without any issues

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iamlindoro:

lwizardl: I'm not going to wait around for hours while you reinstall

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lwizardl:

which was incorrect for mine atleast

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lwizardl:

it should take about 15 mins to install the os again

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iamlindoro:

I won't wait around for that either

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iamlindoro:

good luck

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lwizardl:

I have done it so much I don't even need to use a mouse anymore

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lwizardl:

thanks for nothing

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mycosys:

what would be the top recommended tuner for dvb-t countries?

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iamlindoro:

Shame, too, since it's probably all the same problem but you want to do it your way, and free help doesn't work that way

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iamlindoro:

You either accept the help offered, or figure it out yourself, you don't get to demand that people help you on your terms

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mycosys:

hauppauge 2250?

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mycosys:

sont playtv?

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mycosys:

or?????

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wagnerrp:

does not work in dvb-t countries

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iamlindoro:

mycosys: I am not sure there is a "top," but historically Hauppauge cards have been popular

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mycosys:

2200 is it?

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mycosys:

forgot which was which lol

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wagnerrp:

last i heard, there were some problems with the 2200 driver

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mycosys:

bugger

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iamlindoro:

2200 may still be a little bleeding edge if you want rock solid

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lwizardl:

iamlindoro, I wasn't demanding help, I have been trying help with getting a working mythtv system in here for like 2 years. Buying various tuner cards in that time and not a single working system. So I think I have been patiently waiting long enough

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iamlindoro:

lwizardl: And here I am, asking for one simple pastebin, and you want to shun the offer of help

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mycosys:

i know sont playtv is supposedly rock solid

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iamlindoro:

and do it your way

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iamlindoro:

so I'm happy to let you-- it just won't be with my help

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mycosys:

any other recommends?

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iamlindoro:

mycosys: it might be better to ask when most DVB-T countries are awake

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mycosys:

which of the hauppauge units are good for dvb-t

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iamlindoro:

in ~5 or 6 hours

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mycosys:

silly europeans and their weird time

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iamlindoro:

I want to say that an HVR-1300 would be a good choice for DVB-T, we gave one away in the theming competition, but since I'm not in a DVB-T country I don't want to send you off getting a card that might not be great

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iamlindoro:

mycosys: I *do* know that the FusionHDTV cards from DVICO have a ton of users, too

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iamlindoro:

and are dual

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lwizardl:

http://pastebin.com/kWacXV3T

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iamlindoro:

cat /etc/group |grep video

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iamlindoro:

or, if you like, grep video /etc/group

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iamlindoro:

can paste the result here

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lwizardl:

video:x:44:mythtv,rogue

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iamlindoro:

and who is running mythtv-setup?

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lwizardl:

that is a base configure system

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lwizardl:

rogue

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lwizardl:

is my user

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iamlindoro:

Then it's not that

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lwizardl:

ok

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lwizardl:

ok I just was reading the mythtv wiki page on the card

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lwizardl:

and these was what was output when i ran the three lspi commands

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lwizardl:

http://wizardsarcade.com/mythtv/

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wagnerrp:

why do all these people keep talking about 'tunners'?

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[R]:

whats a tunner?

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[R]:

is it someone who can lift a ton?

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wagnerrp:

a cargo loader for aircraft

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[R]:

ah...

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lwizardl:

on the version of mythtv on ubuntu whats the command to stop the backend

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[R]:

the versino of myth? you're acting like its a special thing

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[R]:

ubuntu ships the same mythtv as anyone else

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lwizardl:

r, the wiki page shows how t stop it but on my system its not working

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lwizardl:

says converted to an upstart job

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[R]:

sounds like a dist problem, not a mythtv problem

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lwizardl:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1600#Drivers

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wagnerrp:

hasnt that page been deleted yet?

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lwizardl:

no since google still finds it

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wagnerrp:

google should be finding this page... http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-1600

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lwizardl:

k

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does not maintain drivers, linuxtv does

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[R]:

but

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[R]:

isn't there a copy of the hdhomerun stuff

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[R]:

checked in to the myth repos?

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wagnerrp:

the hdhomerun libraries?

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wagnerrp:

[R] ?

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[R]:

coudln't that be considered a drifver?

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wagnerrp:

nope, communication library

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

in that case, the 'driver' would be the network driver

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[R]:

lame

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wagnerrp:

or perhaps the tcp/ip stack

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wagnerrp:

still the wrong channel

[03:21:08]

patterson:

so I see

[03:21:17]

wagnerrp:

we only use tuners and tuner drivers

[03:21:22]

wagnerrp:

we do not develop them

[03:21:33]

wagnerrp:

if you want the UB435-Q to be supported

[03:21:38]

wagnerrp:

you need to talk to linuxtv people

[03:21:57]

wagnerrp:

like devin heitmuller in the thread you linked to

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wagnerrp:

as he explained, that is not a popular card

[03:22:31]

patterson:

Uh,there are other results returned by my close personal friend Mr Google about patching kernels and such.Sorry to bother you

[03:22:44]

wagnerrp:

if kworld does not want to provide linux support

[03:22:52]

patterson:

29.99 at some hole in the wall place newegg.com

[03:23:08]

wagnerrp:

and there is not a large number of users who otherwise want it

[03:23:25]

wagnerrp:

then there is not much chance of a kernel developer taking a look at it

[03:24:18]

patterson:

I pointed the vista user here as a likely place to find a warm embrace

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wagnerrp:

if the vista user wants to set up mythtv, we can help him

[03:24:58]

wagnerrp:

but we dont develop tuner drivers

[03:24:58]

patterson:

thanks!

[03:25:05]

wagnerrp:

it would be like coming here for help with firefox

[03:25:23]

iamlindoro:

But the first bit of advice we would give him would be to purchase a supported tuner

[03:26:01]

patterson:

Oh at this point I'm going to go buy the unsupported POS myself and get it to work :)

[03:26:23]

iamlindoro:

Also an option

[03:26:28]

wagnerrp:

if you are legitimately considering doing some driver development work

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wagnerrp:

im sure the linuxtv people would be more than happy to help you out

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wagnerrp:

the reason a driver doesnt exist

[03:27:21]

wagnerrp:

is simply because they dont have the manpower themselves to do so

[03:27:36]

wagnerrp:

that, or there may be more serious NDA issues in play

[03:27:38]

patterson:

makes perfect sense

[03:30:50]

wagnerrp:

you can try in #linuxtv, or devin and andy walls both frequent this channel

[03:30:55]

wagnerrp:

!seen devinheitmueller

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MythLogBot:

devinheitmueller was last seen 2 days 5 hours 59 minutes 50 seconds ago

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wagnerrp:

!seen awalls

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MythLogBot:

awalls was last seen 3 hours 32 minutes 53 seconds ago

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wagnerrp:

a couple other stop by less frequently

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patterson:

The thing is probably defective in any event and my blood sugar is low

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wagnerrp:

speak of the devil

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devinheitmueller:

Yes, I have special powers.

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wagnerrp:

:)

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iamlindoro:

special log checking powers

[03:34:56]

devinheitmueller:

The 435q is piece of crap in general.

[03:35:00]

iamlindoro:

bow hunting skills numchuk skills

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patterson:

that wraps that up

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devinheitmueller:

That said, the reason it isn't supported is because it requires bulk mode in the em2874 driver, and I never got around to adding it, since the 435Q is the *only* device that requires such.

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patterson:

I would never name my company Happaugue mostly because nobody can spell it properly

[03:35:46]

devinheitmueller:

All the other em28xx drivers operate in isoc mode, so it didn't make sense to do all that work for one obscure device.

[03:36:03]

wagnerrp:

hauppauge...

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devinheitmueller:

You wouldn't be the first person to have that problem.

[03:36:06]

wagnerrp:

:P

[03:36:19]

wagnerrp:

patterson: now for bonus points, how do you pronounce it?

[03:36:25]

** iamlindoro raises his hand **

[03:36:27]

patterson:

Hop Ogg

[03:36:28]

iamlindoro:

ooh, ooh!

[03:36:30]

iamlindoro:

Pick me!

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iamlindoro:

Hop HOG

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patterson:

Hey I've been to Islip and Port Jefferson

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devinheitmueller:

Also, while a popular misconception, Hauppauge is not in Germany. It's in New York.

[03:37:03]

devinheitmueller:

:-)

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: Well stop acquiring German companies then, yo!

[03:37:25]

devinheitmueller:

heh

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lwizardl:

devinheitmueller, you know of any issues with the wintv hvr-1600?

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devinheitmueller:

Hey, those PCTV guys are a-ok in my book.

[03:38:05]

devinheitmueller:

The 1600 works fine.

[03:38:23]

devinheitmueller:

If you've got a brand new board though (like built in the last six months), then you need an updated v4l-dvb tree.

[03:38:26]

lwizardl:

i'm having problems with mine

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lwizardl:

[03:38:41]

devinheitmueller:

Does it work under Windows?

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lwizardl:

not tried that yet. its my next step

[03:39:17]

devinheitmueller:

Stick it in a Windows machine. If it's broken there, then call Hauppauge tech support. If it works, then it's something you are doing wrong.

[03:39:29]

wagnerrp:

the 1600 was even in production in 2006?

[03:39:40]

devinheitmueller:

Yeah, that's around when they were first built.

[03:39:40]

lwizardl:

it detects on analog and mpjeg in mythtv bacend but ivtv fails to open

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devinheitmueller:

What device are you trying to bind to?

[03:40:18]

devinheitmueller:

As in, /dev/video0 ?

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lwizardl:

ivyv was what iwas told to use.configuring for comcast use

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lwizardl:

yes

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iamlindoro:

lwizardl: And you've installed all relevant firmwares?

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devinheitmueller:

What's the distro?

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lwizardl:

mythbuntu 11.04

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devinheitmueller:

Did the Ubuntu guys finally get that v4l2 fix into their mythbuntu packages?

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lwizardl:

http://wizardsarcade.com/mythtv/ was last tests i did

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: only in their updated PPA, TTBOMK the ones that ship are still "patched"

[03:41:36]

iamlindoro:

by which I mean "non-functional"

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devinheitmueller:

lwizardl: did you updated to the latest PPA?

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devinheitmueller:

If you're using the stock 11.04, then that would be a problem.

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lwizardl:

on this attemp no

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iamlindoro:

There goes devinheitmueller doing his iamlindoro impersonation again

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iamlindoro:

;)

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devinheitmueller:

lwizardl: those are pretty worthless tests to have done. Do you have a dmesg output from system boot?

[03:42:22]

lwizardl:

i have been trying this card for 2 days now

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iamlindoro:

I've had this same conversation *twice* :)

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_abbenormal:

sometimes it doesnt sink in iamlindoro

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lwizardl:

devinheitmueller, was following the wiki page when i did those

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devinheitmueller:

lwizardl: let's start with you doing a pastebin from dmesg.

[03:43:32]

iamlindoro:

_abbenormal: well, maybe try * 3 = a charm

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_abbenormal:

lol

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devinheitmueller:

That will tell us if the driver loaded successfully.

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lwizardl:

k

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: you have any instructions on getting the current PPA?

[03:44:44]

iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: I believe http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos has their step by step

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: fair enough.

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iamlindoro:

but not using pacakges, I can't help troubelshoot that process

[03:45:00]

iamlindoro:

bah, packages, troubleshoot

[03:46:17]

lwizardl:

ok same folder

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lwizardl:

just uploaded the dmesg.txt

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** devinheitmueller looks **

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devinheitmueller:

Ouch, you're running nouveau.

[03:47:39]

devinheitmueller:

Driver load looks fine. Your card is working.

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lwizardl:

it is basically stock mythbuntu 11.04 installed system

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lwizardl:

ok

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wagnerrp:

32 or 64 bit?

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devinheitmueller:

You need to install the latest PPA though, or else you won't be able to use the card.

[03:48:10]

lwizardl:

64

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devinheitmueller:

There was a bug in the version of MythTV that shipped with 11.04 which basically completely broke analog support.

[03:48:42]

devinheitmueller:

(regardless of the card used)

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lwizardl:

guess that would also explain the pvr-150 not working in the system

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iamlindoro:

At risk of riling you up, I daresay it wasn't our bug

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devinheitmueller:

Hence, you'll need to update to the latest MythTV. Also, you will need to install the Nvidia proprietary driver if you expect to actually watch video on this system.

[03:49:34]

lwizardl:

or the kworld 110

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devinheitmueller:

Correct. It would effect all analog capture devices.

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iamlindoro:

We specifically said that we didn't support kernel 2.6.38, so they applied their own patch to make it compile

[03:50:13]

iamlindoro:

updating to .24-fixes adds support for .2.6.38

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devinheitmueller:

There is a caveat if you try to run the HVR-1600 in the same system as the Nvidia proprietary driver, which is documented in the LinuxTV wiki page.

[03:50:33]

devinheitmueller:

... so you will need to add the workaround as described there.

[03:50:44]

devinheitmueller:

Oh wait, you're on 64-bit. Nevermind.

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lwizardl:

devinheitmueller, yeah I had the nvidia installed last time but not having the system work with then just a pc monitor was anoying me so i wantd to keep in various steps

[03:51:14]

devinheitmueller:

So yeah, install the latest PPA, install the Nvidia proprietary driver, and everything should "just work"

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lwizardl:

ok

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lwizardl:

anyone have the PPA install guide handy

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devinheitmueller:

lwizardl: http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos

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lwizardl:

k

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: I'm not pointing any fingers as to who caused the bug.

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: I actually ranted at length that this was a f**kup on the part of the LinuxTV developers.

[03:53:12]

devinheitmueller:

(on the kernellabs blog)

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iamlindoro:

I shall have to read it ;)

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lwizardl:

ok and should i choose 0.24.x or 0.25

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: http://www.kernellabs.com/blog/?p=1517

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devinheitmueller:

lwizardl: 0.24.x

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lwizardl:

k

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lwizardl:

doing updates from the manager now

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lwizardl:

says found 109 updates after applying the ppa

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lwizardl:

ok found 17 more on reboot

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lwizardl:

ok all updates installed including the ppa

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lwizardl:

ok and now back to backend setup and same ivtv failed to open

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devinheitmueller:

Did you reboot after installing all the updates/

[04:14:49]

lwizardl:

yes

[04:15:14]

devinheitmueller:

Hmmm, you've got something screwed up.

[04:15:21]

devinheitmueller:

Did you stop the backend when you ran mythtv-setup ?

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lwizardl:

i'm sure i do

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lwizardl:

yes

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iamlindoro:

FWIW I just put an HVR-1600 in an 11.04 + fixes box and it worked with no further intervention

[04:15:50]

devinheitmueller:

Ok, try this. Exit out of setup and run "cat /dev/video0 > foo.mpg"

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lwizardl:

it asked if i wanted to stop the backend and i said yes, then it ran the setup

[04:16:02]

devinheitmueller:

Then hit ctrl-c after ten seconds.

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lwizardl:

and after i closed out of that it asked about filling database and i said no

[04:16:21]

lwizardl:

k

[04:16:50]

devinheitmueller:

Do you now have a multi-megabyte foo.mpg file?

[04:17:23]

lwizardl:

yes a 601mb

[04:17:28]

lwizardl:

6.01

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devinheitmueller:

Sounds about right. The tuner is working then.

[04:17:50]

devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: did you point him at the right PPA?

[04:18:09]

iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: yup

[04:18:21]

devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: can you run a "dpkg -l mythtv" and see what the version is so he can compare?

[04:18:41]

iamlindoro:

lwizardl: mythbackend --version, MythTV Version, please

[04:19:02]

iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: Well, my .24 is self compiled, I don't use packages for myth

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: ok

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iamlindoro:

but current fixes is 254c9f7454155e7d3e38

[04:19:33]

lwizardl:

the cat did record video and audio

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devinheitmueller:

lwizardl: sure, as expected. Run the command iamlindoro provided and let's see what version of Myth you actually have installed.

[04:20:32]

lwizardl:

was transfering the output to my other machine

[04:21:32]

lwizardl:

MythTV Version : v0.24.1-45-g254c9f7

[04:21:51]

lwizardl:

same webfolder is the output

[04:21:55]

iamlindoro:

so, latest revision

[04:22:01]

devinheitmueller:

Ok.

[04:22:03]

lwizardl:

and also a new dmesg

[04:22:08]

devinheitmueller:

Can you run "ls -l /dev/video0"

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lwizardl:

yea

[04:22:27]

iamlindoro:

heh

[04:22:32]

iamlindoro:

Let me jump ahead

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iamlindoro:

video:x:44:mythtv,rogue

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iamlindoro:

His user is rogue

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lwizardl:

yes

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devinheitmueller:

Is the backend running as rogue?

[04:23:03]

iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: in mythtv-setup, it's the running user that needs perms

[04:23:05]

iamlindoro:

BE is mythtv

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lwizardl:

thats the system user name

[04:23:06]

devinheitmueller:

Oh wait, this is mythtv-setup.

[04:23:08]

devinheitmueller:

duh.

[04:23:13]

wagnerrp:

hes going about this whole process from the back way

[04:23:58]

wagnerrp:

nothing?

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lwizardl:

ok ls.txt output is there

[04:24:03]

iamlindoro:

perms on the node look good, group memberships look good, can't think what else might make the ioctls fail

[04:24:15]

iamlindoro:

that said, you could theoretically just ignore the failed to probe

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: does mythtv-setup create a logfile?

[04:24:22]

iamlindoro:

and manually type in the dev node

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: to the console

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iamlindoro:

or optionally, with the -l argument

[04:24:47]

devinheitmueller:

He could probably strace mythtv-setup too.

[04:25:44]

devinheitmueller:

Woah, the permissions are not what iamlindoro referenced.

[04:26:00]

devinheitmueller:

They are root/video, not mythtv/rogue

[04:26:22]

lwizardl:

hmm when i type in the /dev/video0 for ivtv it pops up the 1600

[04:26:22]

devinheitmueller:

Oh, wait, nevermind. The stuff iamlindoro referenced were the video perms.

[04:26:32]

iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: my perms in ubuntu on my video nodes are same, they work because the users are members of the group

[04:26:41]

devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: gotcha

[04:26:42]

iamlindoro:

lwizardl: then there you go, problem solved

[04:26:58]

iamlindoro:

something got jacked up with autopopulating the spinbox-- your card is fine and always has been

[04:27:19]

lwizardl:

ok i was getting worried being an ebay card

[04:27:35]

iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: heh, yeah, sorry, I jumped forward *multiple* steps and didn't show my work ;)

[04:27:42]

iamlindoro:

we had the same conversation a few hours ago

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devinheitmueller:

Would be good to understand what the hell is going on there though wrt the spinbox.

[04:27:49]

devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: no problem.

[04:28:05]

iamlindoro:

lwizardl: What value was in the box *before* you typed it in?

[04:28:07]

devinheitmueller:

It's late and I'm pretty tired, or else I would have grokked the output better.

[04:28:14]

lwizardl:

wrt the spinbox ?? huh ??

[04:28:18]

lwizardl:

iamlindoro, nothing

[04:28:24]

lwizardl:

it was blank

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lwizardl:

everytime

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iamlindoro:

well, that's odd but not a huge deal since it's getting nuked

[04:29:02]

iamlindoro:

perticularly odd, though ,is that it worked in the other types, since it's the same code populating the box

[04:29:18]

lwizardl:

yeah

[04:29:18]

devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: weird.

[04:29:27]

devinheitmueller:

Anyway, sounds like lwizardl is up and running now.

[04:29:32]

iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: I didn't have to type in the dev node, so I'm not sure what the difference is

[04:29:34]

lwizardl:

which was kinda why i keep trying to find a way to make screenshots

[04:29:52]

iamlindoro:

lwizardl: ubuntu comes with a screenshot tool

[04:29:52]

lwizardl:

devinheitmueller, hopefully yes just setting the comcast stuff now

[04:29:59]

iamlindoro:

Under "accessories"

[04:30:11]

lwizardl:

iamlindoro, yeah but for some reason while in myth its not working for me

[04:30:51]

devinheitmueller:

Ok, enough of this end user support s**t for me for one night. I'm off to bed.

[04:30:56]

devinheitmueller:

:-)

[04:30:57]

iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: night

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lwizardl:

nite man thank for the help

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devinheitmueller:

np, ttyl

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wagnerrp:

where are the people people when you need them

[04:31:55]

wagnerrp:

someone to talk to the customer so the engineers dont have to

[04:32:10]

iamlindoro:

So what would ya say... ya do around here

[04:33:05]

wagnerrp:

id say i do about 15 minutes of real work a week

[04:33:36]

lwizardl:

ok so i must be doing something else wrong no channels found, or comcast locally is blocking everything from straight cables without a box

[04:33:55]

[R]:

lwizardl: its probably all encrypted digital

[04:34:00]

iamlindoro:

lwizardl: You are doing something wrong

[04:34:10]

iamlindoro:

I base this on the fact that you've only been at this for like three minutes

[04:34:16]

iamlindoro:

and a correctly configured scan shoudl take many

[04:34:31]

iamlindoro:

or at least, "more than three"

[04:34:32]

lwizardl:

well this is what I set them as

[04:34:55]

iamlindoro:

QAM-256, frequency table us-cable

[04:35:07]

lwizardl:

capture cards -> ivtv /dev/video0 tuner 1 timeout 12000 (default)

[04:35:12]

iamlindoro:

oh wait

[04:35:14]

iamlindoro:

wait wait

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iamlindoro:

you are setting up analog

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iamlindoro:

you don't scan analog

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lwizardl:

ok

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iamlindoro:

you set up your schedules direct account properly in the video source, and fetch channels from listings source

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lwizardl:

ok brb

[04:35:58]

lwizardl:

getting account details

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iamlindoro:

you scan *digital* (set up the digital half of your card as a DVB card type)

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iamlindoro:

that said, you aren't going to get anything via analog straight from the wall

[04:36:47]

iamlindoro:

You should be using the analog side to capture from your box/DTA, and the digital side straight from the wall

[04:38:14]

iamlindoro:

Haha, watching a show on HDNet, which is obviously in HD, and there is a shot of this super hot model's waiver form for some activity they're doing

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iamlindoro:

which has her phone number, personal e-mail, and SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER

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iamlindoro:

hahahah

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wagnerrp:

at 1080p, you can commit identity theft

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iamlindoro:

What's extra funny is that in address, she put "Decline"

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iamlindoro:

but she went ahead and gave them the SS

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: or try to get a date :)

[04:41:04]

iamlindoro:

She really is super hot

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Beirdo:

HD stalkng

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[R]:

lol

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iamlindoro:

http://www.lanatailor.com/

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iamlindoro:

Looks like that chick from Smallville

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Beirdo:

she'd do :)

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[R]:

oh snap

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[R]:

im watching Teen Mom

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wagnerrp:

is she also a scheming bitch who you want to die?

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Beirdo:

nah, not my ex.

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iamlindoro:

That feeling usually comes on the tail end of the relationship

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Beirdo:

doesn't it, though? :)

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[R]:

oh lol

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[R]:

i keep seeing commerical sfor movies that havent been in tehaterse in months

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[R]:

and then i realized i'm watching really old recordings

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Beirdo:

the commercials for Christmas don't give it away?

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[R]:

haha

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wagnerrp:

tehaterse?

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wagnerrp:

been drinking?

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

no

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[R]:

gonna hit the town next weekend though

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lwizardl:

ok well straight from wall into the tv in on the 1600 i get about 18 channels

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lwizardl:

so card is working :)

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iamlindoro:

lwizardl: If using analog, you are getting a bunch of stuff you won't be real excited about... comcast has gutted analog

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iamlindoro:

lwizardl: The stuff you are likely to care about will probably be on the digital side of the card

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lwizardl:

yes its just the low end stuff from 3–20

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[R]:

"obviously you aren't a good mother because im the one that got pregnant at 16"

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[R]:

HAHA

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[R]:

i love this show

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iamlindoro:

pfft, no hot chick Social Security numbers

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[R]:

lol

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Beirdo:

maybe I'll take another whack at de-Qt3-ing mpeg2fix.cpp

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Beirdo:

part of it's simple

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Beirdo:

part of it... ain't

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo: Geoff Hausheer made the only appearance on the -developers list in recent memory to volunteer to do it when people started talking about dumping it

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iamlindoro:

He may or may not remember it well enough to do so, but he did write it in the first palce

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Beirdo:

Yeah

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Beirdo:

I'll hunt down that message and shoot him an email

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Beirdo:

I don't mind giving it a shot, the functionality's still useful

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wagnerrp:

on our -developers list?

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Beirdo:

but having Qt3 support in in kinda annoying still if we can avoid it

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: yes, was at least a year ago

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iamlindoro:

[Mythtv-developers] Bug Squashing Party

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iamlindoro:

1/13/10

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Beirdo:

yeah, not so recent, I found it ;)

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wagnerrp:

ah, before i got added

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Beirdo:

I'll give it a once over, and shoot him an email anyways

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Beirdo:

there, email sent

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Beirdo:

Now, I'll take a look at it again :) It's one of those niggling things that's been around forever and never seems to get anywhere

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lwizardl:

does anyone have that channel listing site link handy, the one that has you put in the zip code and tells you how many unencrypted stations are detected via antenna and cable

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wagnerrp:

http://silicondust.com/support/channels/

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lwizardl:

yup thats it

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lwizardl:

thanks

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lwizardl:

now I have something handy to test my setup with

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: do we do syslog output now?

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iamlindoro:

Be wary of using SiliconDust as a hard and fast comparison

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iamlindoro:

Remember that many zip codes have multiple headends, each with their own engineerin

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Beirdo:

not by default, but if you tell it to, yes

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iamlindoro:

Thus, when you scan, if something isn't found, don't conclude that you or myth has done something wrong

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wagnerrp:

ok, removing from wishlist

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

it's capable, but off by default :)

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lwizardl:

iamlindoro, its just more a theory that someone in the areas surrounding me should be able to get them. like channel 3 via antenna in my area is tough to get a strong signal from

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lwizardl:

but if i do my scan and find 1 channel out of 71 possibles then i have something wrong

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iamlindoro:

lwizardl: The best comparison will be a TV in your own house versus the PC... and even that isn't absolute-- your TV will generally have an easier time locking channels than the one in the box full of interference we call a PC

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lwizardl:

but if i find for example 40 then it should be good

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lwizardl:

yeah i think my dtv box found 17 channels via antenna

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lwizardl:

last check was like 4 months ago just to watch qubo for some 80s cartoons reruns

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lwizardl:

hehe

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lwizardl:

going to run test on dtv antenna box and see what channels are found then test on mythtv

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lwizardl:

let me make sure i have this correct

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lwizardl:

ANT in = my Digital Roof Antenna

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lwizardl:

RCA Composite in = Comcast STB with IR Blaster

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lwizardl:

correct?

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wagnerrp:

ATSC tuner boxes do not support QAM

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lwizardl:

right ATSC would be the old style rabbit ears etc antenna right

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wagnerrp:

not 'old style' so much as digital broadcast in general

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wagnerrp:

a 'dtv antenna box' is to tune ATSC

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wagnerrp:

and only ATSC

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lwizardl:

and if i wanted to watch the encrypted channels I must use my cable box to decode them and then feed that into my card via RCA's

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wagnerrp:

preferably you would use component or svideo

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wagnerrp:

not rca (composite)

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lwizardl:

yeah and the ATSC channels would be the 8vsb based channels being broadcast

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lwizardl:

I can do svideo but not the component video

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lwizardl:

unless the svideo port on the 1600 can also handle component video with a dongle

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wagnerrp:

no

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lwizardl:

didn't think so

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lwizardl:

so rca and svideo are my only options at this time

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lwizardl:

for comcast cable box that is

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branden__:

How does one setup mythtv?

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branden__:

The data base part.

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/docs/

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branden__:

What does it mean be a machine hosting a data base?

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wagnerrp:

in a mythtv system, you can have one or more computers networked together

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wagnerrp:

one mythtv system only operates a single database server

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wagnerrp:

and all computers connect to it

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branden__:

I don't know what to do though, or how to get past it.

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wagnerrp:

thats why there is documentation

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wagnerrp:

specifically, section 6

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branden__:

I use slackware

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wagnerrp:

ok?

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branden__:

I can't setup MySQL for some reason

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wagnerrp:

it should be a matter of installing the package and running the init script

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branden__:

init script?

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wagnerrp:

scripts that run during system init

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** branden__ google to the rescue **

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wagnerrp:

generally slackware is not the kind of thing a fresh linux user would choose

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branden__:

I am not I just never have used mysql before

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wagnerrp:

but you dont know what init scripts are

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wagnerrp:

thats pretty basic linux stuff

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branden__:

I do just not how to use them

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branden__:

Do you mean the scripts that are executed at boot?

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wagnerrp:

yes, and in /etc/init.d

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wagnerrp:

init scripts

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branden__:

Then I do know what it is.

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branden__:

Do I need upnp?

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wagnerrp:

depends

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wagnerrp:

mythtv uses upnp for two things

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wagnerrp:

it can use it to stream recordings and videos to UPNP players

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wagnerrp:

it can use it to allow new frontends to autodetect the master backend

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branden__:

ok

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branden__:

Question

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wagnerrp:

Answer

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branden__:

What can I use for it to log in to?

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branden__:

the database

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wagnerrp:

?

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wagnerrp:

what do you mean?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv logs into the database

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branden__:

It wants me to log in some database

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branden__:

What should I set?

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wagnerrp:

are you talking about mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv-setup

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branden__:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

did you read section 6 on the documentation?

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branden__:

Could I have for that?

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wagnerrp:

thats why we have documentation

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wagnerrp:

so all these questions that every new user asks, we dont have to answer each time

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branden__:

I mean could I have a link for that?

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wagnerrp:

i gave it half an hour ago

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/docs/

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branden__:

Oh I setup sql

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branden__:

I mean

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branden__:

mysql a while ago

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branden__:

Thanks I think I have to use the screen

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branden__:

name and password I set.

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** branden__ face palms himself **

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wagnerrp:

seems it doesnt explicitly say what is set by that mc.sql

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wagnerrp:

the default username and password are mythtv for both

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wagnerrp:

but that will only work for the local system

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branden__:

thanks bye

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wagnerrp:

if you have further systems, you need to use those grant commands to give ...

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Beirdo:

OMG

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Beirdo:

it compiles!

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wagnerrp:

one would hope so

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Beirdo:

my first run at de-QT3-ing mpeg2fix.cpp

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[R]:

IT'S ALIVE

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Beirdo:

heh, then remove qt3support from the .pro file... something else breaks

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Beirdo:

nice

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wagnerrp:

theres so much culture that venture bros has tainted for me

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wagnerrp:

'its alive'... i dont think of frankenstein

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wagnerrp:

i think of dr venture bringing a monarch henchman back to life for menial labor

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wagnerrp:

and then they got him a prostitute

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[R]:

never heard of it

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wagnerrp:

venture brothers?

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[R]:

yeah

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[R]:

what is it?

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wagnerrp:

only the greatest show ever

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[R]:

haha

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[R]:

just some kind of lame cartoon

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[R]:

better than archer?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

archer pales in comparison

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wagnerrp:

http://video.adultswim.com/the-venture-bros/v . . . muertos.html

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[R]:

ROCKIN

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[R]:

Mighty Morphin Power Rangers The Movie is on streaming netflix

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wagnerrp:

you should watch that video instead

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wagnerrp:

the whole thing

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

who says dead people cant carry their own weight

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Beirdo:

I shall look at code reading, then testing that code.. starting tomorrow.

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Beirdo:

this is why it's good to be able to work on a local branch :)

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Beirdo:

what a load of fun that was

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Beirdo:

but I need to make sure that we don't need to track the position on the vFrame list separately still

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wagnerrp:

you need to make sure [R] watches more venture brothers

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I think I watched that all of once

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Beirdo:

not really my style

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[R]:

i've never seen cool hand luke

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[R]:

the guys at work think im crazy

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[R]:

have you ever seen it?

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wagnerrp:

sometimes, i catch both of us wondering, whats good about child labor

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[R]:

what?

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Beirdo:

Yeah, I've watched Cool Hand Luke at least twice

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wagnerrp:

its a line, from the learning videos theyre using to train venturestein to be an unpaid labor force

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wagnerrp:

little horhe knows the satisfaction of a job well done, and so can you

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Beirdo:

horhe?

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

i dont know how its spelled

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Beirdo:

Jorge if it's the Spanish name

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wagnerrp:

george?

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Beirdo:

aka George in English, yes

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wagnerrp:

theyre pronouncing it wrong

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Beirdo:

but in Spanish it's pronounced pretty much "Horhe"

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wagnerrp:

'g' doesnt sound like 'h'

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wagnerrp:

crazy bastards

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[R]:

what movei was it

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[R]:

where the one guy called the other guy hor-gay

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Beirdo:

got a good friend in PR named Jorge

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Beirdo:

and yes, in some circumstances, G is pronounced H in Spanish

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wagnerrp:

[R]: http://video.adultswim.com/the-venture-bros/d . . . venture.html

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Beirdo:

IIRC, particularly when followed by an e

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wagnerrp:

i think that one scared him off

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

well, I think I'll head to bed now or something

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wagnerrp:

that episode was fantastic

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wagnerrp:

couldnt have asked for a better season closer

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Beirdo:

my Hitachi drives are on their way, BTW

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Beirdo:

should arrive Tuesday

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Beirdo:

night :)

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wagnerrp:

night

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wagnerrp:

ooh, this is a good one.. http://video.adultswim.com/the-venture-bros/t . . . er-died.html

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dekarl:

Can the music metadata grabber read tags? As some musicbrainz tags are already used it would be fun to have band pictures as music visualization :) http://blog.musicbrainz.org/?p=380

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iamlindoro:

dekarl: I am not sure what Paul's plans are for metadata grabbing in MythMusic-- adding support for tags to the Universal Metadata parser would be a few minutes work, but I don't know if he plans to use it (if not, I should probably remove all the code I wrote to support it), roll his own, or stick with what currently exists

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dekarl:

iamlindoro: I'll see how everything comes together... looking very promising so far

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ThisNewGuy:

iamlindoro: I noticed that if I set a rule to inactive using mythweb then the inetref for that rule get set to "" – should I open a ticket for this?

[18:30:09]

ThisNewGuy:

using the UI seems fine

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iamlindoro:

ThisNewGuy: A patch would be much nicer :P

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iamlindoro:

If you do open a ticket, I won't be doing anything with it and it will fall on the mythweb guys

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johnf1911:

anyone have a GT 530 passive?

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johnf1911:

I see on the VDPAU page that allank tested it, and it could handle advanced 2x

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johnf1911:

but he's in australia, 25Hz land

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johnf1911:

can it handle 30Hz

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wagnerrp:

sure

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johnf1911:

oh, you have one?

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wagnerrp:

no, but barring some strange driver issue with the architecture, it should have plenty of power to manage 1080i30 with advanced 2x

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johnf1911:

interesting

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johnf1911:

I bought a pretty hardcore frontend case:

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johnf1911:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnf1911/sets/72157627209524362/

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wagnerrp:

hardcore case?

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johnf1911:

however, with the GT 430

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johnf1911:

there's too much heat

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johnf1911:

HD-PLEX H5.S

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johnf1911:

it's entire side is a huge heatsink

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johnf1911:

with pipes

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johnf1911:

fully passive

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wagnerrp:

ah, one of those

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wagnerrp:

i dont know why those arent more common

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johnf1911:

but the GPU is hitting 93 or so in passive playback

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wagnerrp:

although stuffed on a shelf, i dont know if you would have enough airflow to cool it

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johnf1911:

it's proving problematic

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wagnerrp:

does the system not provide heatpipes for the GPU?

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johnf1911:

no, it doesn't

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johnf1911:

there was another one that did

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johnf1911:

from another manufacturer

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wagnerrp:

why is the case not grounded?

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johnf1911:

it's an interesting question

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johnf1911:

I think that one of the cords from the power brick is ground

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johnf1911:

and that the little board that it sits on, which is hard screwed to the case, grounds the case

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johnf1911:

not sure if the little board is in in those pics

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wagnerrp:

i mean, youre not using a traditional PSU that would ground itself to the case

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wagnerrp:

and you have insulators on the motherboard mounts that would otherwise ground the case

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johnf1911:

I understand what you're saying

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wagnerrp:

as opposed to letting the screws and mounting posts ground for you

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wagnerrp:

ive never seen anyone do that before

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johnf1911:

I thought I needed those things

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johnf1911:

because the screws were kind of small

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johnf1911:

I should remove them

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johnf1911:

I'm afraid I need to go

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johnf1911:

you think the GT 520 would be up to the 2x deint?

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wagnerrp:

520 or 530?

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johnf1911:

yes, it's listed

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johnf1911:

520, apparently 530 is OEM only

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johnf1911:

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814162081

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johnf1911:

much lower TDP than 430

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davez0r:

I'm looking for a good low-power frontend machine. what platform is king these days? atom / ion2 ?

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wagnerrp:

davez0r: core i3

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davez0r:

ahh, avoid the atom you say?

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wagnerrp:

the atoms are garbage

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davez0r:

hah, k

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wagnerrp:

theyre not capable of much on their own

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davez0r:

it's a trap!

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wagnerrp:

so youre restricted to relying on the nvidia graphics for everything

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wagnerrp:

it is preferred that you have sufficient CPU for any decoding

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wagnerrp:

should the graphics card fail to decode it

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wagnerrp:

the ION2 units are going to run ~20 watts idle

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wagnerrp:

but its not difficult to get an i3 to run at <30 watts idle

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wagnerrp:

the onboard graphics is sufficient for opengl in mythtv

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wagnerrp:

and the CPU is going to be 6–8 times faster than an atom

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wagnerrp:

and if youre really that concerned about power, just turn the frontend off when not in use

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davez0r:

wow, good to know. i've been eyeing these little boxes that are out now

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davez0r:

but it sounds like they are more trouble than they're worth

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ThisNewGuy:

iamlindoro: k – I've been wanting to add inetref/season/episode to the recording screens – I'll look into it now

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ThisNewGuy:

patch created: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9923

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iamlindoro:

ThisNewGuy: For the translations, you just run the translation script in mythweb

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iamlindoro:

modules/_shared/lang

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iamlindoro:

just run the perl script in that dir, it'll update all the scripts in all the languages, to be translated by the translation teams later

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iamlindoro:

ThisNewGuy: The friendly way of saying Inetref is "Internet Reference Number" and sometimes I use "TMDB/TVDB #"

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iamlindoro:

The former is always correct, the latter is always correct until people finally start submitting metadata scripts for other sources

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knightr:

iamlindoro, ThisNewGuy I can add myself as cc of this ticket and run the script once this gets committed...

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knightr:

(and commit the result of running the script of course... :-) )

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iamlindoro:

knightr: Fine if you want, but I see not reason for that not to be a part of the patch that gets applied

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iamlindoro:

Particularly since mythweb complains about NoTrans even in english if it hasn't been run

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iamlindoro:

ThisNewGuy: knightr: n/m, I'll handle it

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knightr:

iamlindoro, depends on when the patch is applied, if we get something else applied before this that changes the strings the patch won't apply properly...

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ThisNewGuy:

iamlindoro: Thanks! I have some custom modules / other patches in mythweb which give my translation files a ton of garbage in them

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iamlindoro:

knightr: Simply removing the hunks which apply to translation portions and rerunning the script is not hard

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iamlindoro:

ThisNewGuy: Why: if (strlen($program->inetref) > 0) {

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iamlindoro:

We don't want them to be able to put it in manaully?

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iamlindoro:

likewise with season and episode

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ThisNewGuy:

That's only on the detail (read-only) screen – it's the idiom used in the rest of the file to only display fields that have data

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iamlindoro:

Not so, see Category, Airdate, etc.

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knightr:

iamlindoro, as you wish, anyway it looks like anybody can commit translation related stuff as they please anyway...

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iamlindoro:

ThisNewGuy: Also, the others are for read-only, yours is an editor

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iamlindoro:

ThisNewGuy: oh, excuse me, I'm looking in the wrong place

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iamlindoro:

ThisNewGuy: Never mind, your code is fine, my bad

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ThisNewGuy:

iamlindoro: no worries

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iamlindoro:

I am going to move the three widgets further up, though, I don't think they make sense way at the end

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ThisNewGuy:

k – I don't have strong opinions on their location

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iamlindoro:

knightr: I don't think I follow... Is there an objection to others committing translation work? I was doing it for a long, long time before we had translation-specific devs

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iamlindoro:

ThisNewGuy: I did just catch a bug in the patch, though-- inetref is a string, not an int

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ThisNewGuy:

ooh – thanks!

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knightr:

iamlindoro, I replied on mythtv... I have to go to the post office befoe it closes so ttyl...

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ThisNewGuy:

I just noticed there's no way to queue a Metadata Job via mythweb – added a patch in 9924 – sorry for not noticing this in the previous one (no translations for this one)

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ThisNewGuy:

er – no translation *needed* for this one

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