Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, July 11th, 2011, 00:00 UTC

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Beirdo:

time to rebuild frontend and backend to get your new proto version :)

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** wagnerrp is proud **

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wagnerrp:

blind commit, compiled on the first attempt, and works as intended

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wagnerrp:

im getting better at this stuff

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Beirdo:

nice job :)

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Beirdo:

they will occasionally bite yer butt

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Beirdo:

argh

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Beirdo:

my backend is recording for the next 5h?

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Beirdo:

OK, which recording shall I mess up

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Beirdo:

2011-07–10 15:57:01.209248 E Preview: 2305_2011-06–16T15:00:00:

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Beirdo:

dangit, wrong paste

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Beirdo:

Use of uninitialized value in string ne at /opt/mythtv/master/share/perl/5.10.1/MythTV.pm line 390.

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Beirdo:

seems if the proto version doesn't match, it gets upset. I'll go take a look

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Beirdo:

ahhh

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Beirdo:

it just returns.. It's OK

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Beirdo:

There. upgraded

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Twiggy2cents:

wow... i received a google music invite.. I am uploading 896 songs on basic cable. 1mbit up!

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Twiggy2cents:

Super slow

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

it took me about 2 days for my 1400 songs

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Twiggy2cents:

I also had to fire up the vm to do it.. They dont offer a linux uploader. Which ironically means that their chromeos cant do it either

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Twiggy2cents:

how did you up yours?

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Beirdo:

used my macbook

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Twiggy2cents:

ohh

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Beirdo:

NFS mounted the dir from my linux box

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Twiggy2cents:

I tried playing with nfs but quit early on when I couldnt just dropdown menu>sharing like windows :) Plus I was just setting it up to mess with it. No real goal

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wagnerrp:

why?

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Twiggy2cents:

why?

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wagnerrp:

why?

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Twiggy2cents:

why what

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wagnerrp:

you haveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee mythtv

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wagnerrp:

crap

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wagnerrp:

you have mythtv to stream

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Twiggy2cents:

yeah but google stores the music offsite and it is free

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Twiggy2cents:

or are you talking about nfs?

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wagnerrp:

google music

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wagnerrp:

or are you more looking for a backup

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Twiggy2cents:

Well when you have music storage groups, it might work

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Twiggy2cents:

I dont think you can ever retrieve the music you put up

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wagnerrp:

we so in part already

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wagnerrp:

mythweb will stream music from your master backend

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Twiggy2cents:

no speaky the engrish?

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wagnerrp:

s/so/do/

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Twiggy2cents:

yeah but the music is stored on my frontend

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wagnerrp:

shoulda put it on yer backend

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wagnerrp:

:)

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Twiggy2cents:

That was why I was trying to set up nfs but quit because I didnt need it

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Beirdo:

I use google music so I can listen at work or on my phone... without using my bandwidth

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Beirdo:

as it streams from them, not home :)

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wagnerrp:

but what else are you going to use that bandwidth for

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Twiggy2cents:

lol well I have limited space on my be. It is just for recordings. My videos and music go on my fe. It works out pretty well since I only have one fe

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Beirdo:

ummm, doing mythtv compiles...

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wagnerrp:

my only issue is that my 768k up cant handle FLAC

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wagnerrp:

mythtv compiles take downstream, not up

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Beirdo:

those git pulls require acks

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Twiggy2cents:

I love my download on cable :) I pay for 12Mbit down and get 11.6Mbit down most of the time

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wagnerrp:

sure, but youre talking about 1/30th what you spend on download needed for the ACKs

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Beirdo:

I still have 128kbit streaming available over IPv6 though

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Beirdo:

which works well at work, but not so much on the phone

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Beirdo:

mp3fs :)

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Twiggy2cents:

The town over from me is about 3 times as big.(i am in a small town) The 20mbit svc from the same company yields about 6–8 Mbps

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Twiggy2cents:

Does google music transcode on the fly to adapt to internet speed or no?

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Twiggy2cents:

I dunno if transcode is the term I was looking for

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wagnerrp:

it is

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Beirdo:

I dunno, ask them :)

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Twiggy2cents:

lol

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Twiggy2cents:

I think it might

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Beirdo:

oh yeah, I was going to make freebsd stop whining about the __attribute__((error))

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wagnerrp:

does ogg support multiple audio streams?

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Beirdo:

AFAIK, yes

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Beirdo:

but they don't support ogg

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wagnerrp:

i wonder how difficult it would be to rig up mythmusic to support mutli-stream files

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wagnerrp:

and have mythweb strip out whatever part your browser supported

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wagnerrp:

i.e. using mythmusic, play the flac

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wagnerrp:

streaming to firefox, send the vorbis

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wagnerrp:

streaming to chrome, send the mp3

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wagnerrp:

or if it would be easier just to implement on-the-fly transcoding

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wagnerrp:

a la mp3fs

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Beirdo:

I'd love to have an oggfs too

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Beirdo:

I guess I could make one

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Twiggy2cents:

welp food is done. Back to simpsons

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wagnerrp:

id love for mp3fs to support 96kHz flac

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wagnerrp:

... for that one album i have in that

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

wonder why it doesn't

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wagnerrp:

it cant resample

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Beirdo:

lazy buggers

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Beirdo:

libsox would fix that easily enough

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wagnerrp:

for nearly all uses, its not like it needs to resample

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Beirdo:

but there are a lot of hig-sample-rate FLAC out there

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wagnerrp:

is there?

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Beirdo:

one of my ex-coworkers does nothing but

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Beirdo:

yeah, quite a few

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wagnerrp:

artists releasing as such?

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Beirdo:

you can even buy albums legally in 96kHz or 192kHz

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wagnerrp:

or ripped from vinyl as?

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Beirdo:

both

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wagnerrp:

christ, youre nearly up to 400k lines committed

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Beirdo:

youch

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Beirdo:

it is SOOOO time for a break

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wagnerrp:

115k lines c++, 141k lines c

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wagnerrp:

100k lines XML... not sure where that is coming from

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wagnerrp:

oh, is this for all projects, not just mythtv?

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Beirdo:

that's just myth

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wagnerrp:

20k lines assembly?

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Beirdo:

that was from fixing mythweather screens

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Beirdo:

20k lines assembly would be the ffmpeg merge

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wagnerrp:

ah...

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wagnerrp:

right, probably where much of the c/c++ comes from too

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Beirdo:

much of the C for sure

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Beirdo:

the C++ is more real code and/or thrash within the real code

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wagnerrp:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

that would explain why janne is just shy of 1.5M

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Beirdo:

ohloh is a wee bit screwy

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Beirdo:

heh, yeah. ffmpeg merges FTW

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Beirdo:

I need to split up (once again) my overall makefile

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wagnerrp:

stuartm is just shy of 1M of XML alone

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Beirdo:

as one thing I put in for Linux borks BSD make

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Beirdo:

even though my wrapper re-calls itself as gmake, it still belches before it can

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Beirdo:

that should be no surprise... a LOT of XML in the themes

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koffel:

is there any thing out there that does zwave lighting inside mythtv

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Beirdo:

and with his rework of the UI :)

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wagnerrp:

kormoc and i are getting a nice bit of fluffing from the ebuilds

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

each update takes all of 5 minutes download from github

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wagnerrp:

and is worth a few thousand lines

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Beirdo:

what does it count them as?

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wagnerrp:

koffel: mythtv does not support any form of home automation

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does have a number of 'system events'

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wagnerrp:

where on certain triggers, it will call user defined external scripts

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wagnerrp:

those scripts can do whatever you want, including controlling zwave gear

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: as 'Ebuild'

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Beirdo:

cool

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wagnerrp:

koffel: at least one user is using that interface to control his lighting when playback starts/stops

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Beirdo:

ah, so it does. nice

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Beirdo:

seems __attribute__((error)) is only defined in GCC 4.3.x and above

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Beirdo:

so I'm adding it as a macro like MDEPRECATED

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wagnerrp:

i recall suse having a utility that let you stuff whatever you wanted into the initrd

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wagnerrp:

cant seem to find it

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Beirdo:

never used suse

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wagnerrp:

there it is

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iamlindoro:

Someone should ask Douglas Peale where he got his time machine

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iamlindoro:

since he just upgraded to .25

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iamlindoro:

And remind him that we can't possibly guarantee his results against code we don't want him running anyway

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: there was some reason you didnt want recordings updating from record inetref

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wagnerrp:

might want to mention so and close 9912

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iamlindoro:

I am in the midst of doing do

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iamlindoro:

er so

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wagnerrp:

very good

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iamlindoro:

love that the first ticket on it is a FRWOP

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wagnerrp:

you expect any different?

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iamlindoro:

I'll consider adding logic to try to pull it from the recording rule in the future, but not going to do so under duress-- I dreamed up a couple of ways it could go wrong (but honestly, they all escape me ATM)

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ThisNewGuy:

what's a FRWOP?

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wagnerrp:

feature request with out patch

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iamlindoro:

Feature Request Without Patch

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ThisNewGuy:

ah

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iamlindoro:

Doug, I presume

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ThisNewGuy:

:-) – That's the problem with writing good code – people always want more

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ThisNewGuy:

yup

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iamlindoro:

ThisNewGuy: I had a couple good reasons for not making it do so the other day, but I can't recall them now-- I figured most people might use the best effort mode, make some manual corrections with the now-required inetref, season and episode fields in the recording metadata editor, and get their rules up to date

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iamlindoro:

thereafter, it'll never be a problem since future recording inherit from the rec rule

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iamlindoro:

The worst failure that should be possible after that should be not getting season and episode automatically because someone hasn't added a given episode to TTVDB... at which point you can just run the automatic mode at some point in the future and it'll get picked up

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Beirdo:

ahhh, internal makefile snafu fixed

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ThisNewGuy:

iamlindoro: That makes sense – is there anyway to automatically update all of the rules – when I ran mythmetadatalookup it looks like it just updated the recordings

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iamlindoro:

No, the rules need for you to set them... mythmetadatalookup is only meant to perform lookups for recordings, not recording rules

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iamlindoro:

That's because I don't want for there to be any opportunity for failure when setting them on a rule

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iamlindoro:

My requiring that they be set, once, on the rule, I funnel every user through the multiselection logic when there's more than one possible match

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iamlindoro:

er By

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ThisNewGuy:

bummer – for people like me with 100s of rules it'd be kinda painful to redo them all – I'd rather have it take a first pass and even if 10–20% are wrong that's better than having to do them all – it sounds like you wouldn't be willing to accept a patch to that effect since you intentionally didn't add that functionality

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iamlindoro:

If a user has ~50 rules, it should take 15, 20 minutes max to get all the old rules matched up... thereafter it adds maybe 10 or 20 seconds to the creation of a rule

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ThisNewGuy:

btw – I just want to reiterate that this is all because my wife (and I) love this functionality so much

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iamlindoro:

ThisNewGuy: I'm just not comfortable with doing so now. The functionality is all new and will evolve, so you never know how I'll feel in a month... but I am more confident with starting conservatively knowing that I could add that in a few dozen lines in the future.

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iamlindoro:

ThisNewGuy: Having sat a week, the requested functionality from your ticket *does* now seem more feasible to me, since obviously my objections weren't strong enough for me to remember them-- so let's see what the next couple days bring

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ThisNewGuy:

k – make sense

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iamlindoro:

That said, it *is* still a FRWOP so the ticket would have been closed regardless

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iamlindoro:

Maybe I'll add a command line switch --update-recording-rules-I-agree-this-might-cause-me-more-harm-than-good

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iamlindoro:

;)

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ThisNewGuy:

heh – looks like I made a dumb assumption

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ThisNewGuy:

:D

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iamlindoro:

I'm fairly proud that in the current code it should be virtually impossible to match CONAN with Conan... so one way or another I'd like to maintain that under most conditions

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iamlindoro:

meaning if I do add a guess mode for rec rules, I want users to have to acknowledge that they are getting a potentially flawed result

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ThisNewGuy:

that's understandable since really it's only people upgrading with lots of rules that would have this issue

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iamlindoro:

yeah, I'm sympathetic to that

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iamlindoro:

I am sincerely glad you are enjoying it, though

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iamlindoro:

I have a little free time tonight, let me see what I can do

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ThisNewGuy:

my wife literally jumped from her seat when she saw the PBB with the Season/Episode information

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iamlindoro:

hah, savvy wife

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iamlindoro:

my girlfriend likely won't notice/hasn't noticed

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ThisNewGuy:

(there was some pointing involved)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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ThisNewGuy:

k – it's bed time for me – thanks for the awesome stuff

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iamlindoro:

np, glad to get the feedback, thanks

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Beirdo:

one minor tweak I've considered at least on my box would be to move the season/episode info to the left over by the original airdate so I can still have file size

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Beirdo:

but I'm quite impressed with the changes, it seems to work quite well

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo: Just threw it there in Arclight for now, and for consistency with the video list

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Beirdo:

ahh

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iamlindoro:

I'll likely move it, just haven't figured out where the best spot in the list for it is

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iamlindoro:

most of the themed part is more, "Heyyyyy, let's see if this shows up when I try this new field..."

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Beirdo:

yeah, the filesize is something I find useful (especially with some 0-byte files). I'm sure it will all settle out even more

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iamlindoro:

"yay, it does"

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Beirdo:

yeah :)

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Beirdo:

it took me a moment to even notice it

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Beirdo:

and then OH there it is, sweet!

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Beirdo:

definitely a great addition

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iamlindoro:

I considered templating the subtitle text too, ie %00x00% %SUBTITLE%

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iamlindoro:

so that it would be like:

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iamlindoro:

LOST

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iamlindoro:

1x01 Pilot

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iamlindoro:

or something like that

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Beirdo:

that would work

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Beirdo:

hopefully nobody goes more than 99 seasons/episodes any time soon :)

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Beirdo:

I think we should be good

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iamlindoro:

it'll support > 99

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wagnerrp:

depends, some cartoons dont really have seasons

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Beirdo:

oooh, yeah, cartoons can be different

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iamlindoro:

the spinboxes are all calibrated to 999 for each, and the textareas will support any integer on either side of the break

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Beirdo:

and apparently European shows may not track for season either

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iamlindoro:

so 999x999 will work

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Beirdo:

nice

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Beirdo:

that could be useful for... The Daily Show... for instance

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iamlindoro:

or, really, so will 1000x1000 (though for purposes of manually setting it, the range would need tweaking)

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iamlindoro:

Think TDS does a year = a season

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iamlindoro:

but I haven't looked closely

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wagnerrp:

yes

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Beirdo:

yeah, so what, 200ish eps/season?

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Beirdo:

my mental math is not working well today

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iamlindoro:

probably, depending on vacations, etc.

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wagnerrp:

150ish

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defaultro:

any here near bay area – SF / Silicon Valley?

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iamlindoro:

ThisNewGuy: Hold off on the manual rule update, I'll try to cobble something together

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iamlindoro:

defaultr0: yes

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wagnerrp:

i nearish

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wagnerrp:

beirdo is nearish too

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wagnerrp:

nearisher even

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iamlindoro:

I am, of course, nearishest

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Beirdo:

nearish... I'm at least on the same coast :)

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defaultro:

cool. If you're looking for a job, please let me know. I have a friend who works for Netscout.com and he's looking for someone who is great in linux and database

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iamlindoro:

not currently looking, but thanks

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Beirdo:

ditto.

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defaultro:

k

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noisymouse:

I'm getting "UpdateUIListItem called with a title unknown" when I delete files

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wagnerrp:

ivory? barbary?

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Beirdo:

gold :)

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iamlindoro:

Gold

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noisymouse:

basically I end up having to delete things at least twice for them to actually get deleted

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defaultro:

i missed 3 versions :D I was on 0.21, hehehe

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iamlindoro:

Heh, it would be painfully easy to add Season and episode to upcoming recordings... if I wanted to unleash the MythTVdom on our poor metadata sources

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defaultro:

what is mythtvdom?

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noisymouse:

huh?

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wagnerrp:

the entirety of mythtv

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defaultro:

do mchou still visit this place?

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noisymouse:

actually I might have found a soultion tto my problem (looks like a bug with a db upgrade)

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wagnerrp:

i.e. kingdom

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iamlindoro:

mchou is banned

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defaultro:

oh, lol. what happened

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iamlindoro:

he was himself

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iamlindoro:

repeatedly

[02:09:38]

wagnerrp:

mchou happened

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defaultro:

:P

[02:09:56]

Beirdo:

and got even more belligerant than usual, even knowing it was his last chance

[02:10:03]

defaultro:

ok

[02:10:06]

Beirdo:

so... the boot was applied

[02:10:20]

defaultro:

i noticed when he's logged in here, he's drunk

[02:10:24]

defaultro:

the way he talks

[02:10:34]

wagnerrp:

i would still like to see some statistics on load versus application on ttvdb/tmdb

[02:10:46]

wagnerrp:

see just how underwhelming we are compared to xbmc

[02:11:08]

Beirdo:

hmmm, drunk.

[02:11:09]

defaultro:

so xbmc is the new competitor of mythtv?

[02:11:11]

Beirdo:

there's a good idea

[02:11:27]

defaultro:

when I was looking at xbmc, it cannot record stuff

[02:11:59]

Beirdo:

it might be a kinda competitor for the frontend

[02:12:02]

wagnerrp:

theyre getting closer, but theyre not really the same market

[02:12:05]

Beirdo:

but not for the whole suite

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iamlindoro:

defaultro: Different goals-- XBMC aims to excel at content you already have, we aim to excel at recording and maintaining recording content

[02:12:46]

defaultro:

got it. so it's still the same with xmbc

[02:12:54]

wagnerrp:

then theres the whole thing about mythtv being a whole system, while xbmc is a single application

[02:13:16]

defaultro:

yup, i love the flexibility I have with my mythtv back then

[02:13:31]

wagnerrp:

multiple frontends and backends, compared to independent frontends

[02:13:33]

defaultro:

calling external player like mplayer to play .iso files, etc

[02:13:39]

defaultro:

yup

[02:13:47]

defaultro:

i have to revive my box

[02:13:47]

wagnerrp:

mythtv doesnt use mplayer

[02:13:53]

wagnerrp:

nor does xbmc

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defaultro:

i used it

[02:13:57]

defaultro:

it calls it

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defaultro:

mythtv have an internal player

[02:14:34]

iamlindoro:

XBMC and MythTV both have and use their own internal players

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defaultro:

i think the table name was videometadata something

[02:14:49]

defaultro:

that's where I put the filenames of movies and the player command

[02:14:55]

defaultro:

not sure if it's still like that

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iamlindoro:

Both permit limited calling of an external one, but MythTV's support for such a thing is like the human appendix

[02:15:43]

defaultro:

the reason why I was calling mplayer is because of specific aspect ratio

[02:16:12]

iamlindoro:

I think you'd find there's no reason to use mplayer at all these days

[02:16:14]

defaultro:

when I used it with mythtv, it wasn't doing it. Maybe i was doing it incorrectly

[02:16:39]

iamlindoro:

On some MKV files, a few years ago, we didn't handle aspect ratio properly-- if you mean that, it's been fixed for a couple yers

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defaultro:

my linux was using a different resolution

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wagnerrp:

and significant reason not to use mplayer

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defaultro:

ah

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defaultro:

i'll have to try it again :D

[02:17:28]

defaultro:

i didn't use any softwares after my mythtv died. I was a solid diehard mythtv user ;)

[02:17:46]

wagnerrp:

as in, hardware died?

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defaultro:

yes

[02:18:12]

defaultro:

i'll have to check, maybe it was only my hda

[02:18:17]

defaultro:

and mythtv could be on hdb

[02:18:42]

wagnerrp:

put down by a hard drive failure?

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wagnerrp:

single hard drive failure, that is

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defaultro:

yeah, :D

[02:20:47]

defaultro:

was so busy

[02:20:54]

wagnerrp:

no mirrors? backups?

[02:21:31]

defaultro:

no

[02:21:34]

defaultro:

simple box

[02:21:39]

defaultro:

i think it's just the os

[02:21:46]

defaultro:

so data is still intact

[02:22:01]

defaultro:

i still might have recordings of heroes season 3, LOL

[02:22:10]

wagnerrp:

well half my hardware doesnt have hard drives in them, but theyre still mirrored

[02:22:23]

Beirdo:

oh that reminds me, should move a pile of old recordings.

[02:22:47]

Beirdo:

don't feel like it right now though

[02:22:53]

defaultro:

issue now is with u-verse which I can't record directly

[02:41:35]

wagnerrp:

crazy raccoons, theyre back in the garbage can

[02:53:07]

noisymouse:

nom nom nom

[02:53:35]

mag0o:

mine prefer the cat food

[02:54:11]

wagnerrp:

but, theres nothing in the garbage can

[02:54:17]

wagnerrp:

theyre just hanging out in there

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mag0o:

they wanted a private room

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Beirdo:

had to show off their coon-skin hats

[03:04:49]

** mag0o watches daniel boon at lunch **

[03:04:51]

mag0o:

RTV

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Beirdo:

ah what the heck?

[03:06:22]

Beirdo:

I fell asleep with a show playing, and woke up to an xterm

[03:06:41]

Beirdo:

seems my backend decided to eat itself, and the frontend joined it

[03:07:03]

Beirdo:

have to keep an eye on this thing for the next few days

[03:07:17]

Beirdo:

maybe it just didn't like the Beastie Boys

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wagnerrp:

dont worry, your backend just decided to get ill

[03:08:35]

Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

yeah, musta been

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Beirdo:

died right smack on 8pm

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Beirdo:

#3 0x00007f8575b55fc7 in DeviceReadBuffer::Stop (this=0x20f0660) at DeviceReadBuffer.cpp:176

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Beirdo:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

isnt there some way to get the current kernel config out of /proc or /sys?

[03:15:45]

Beirdo:

yes

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[R]:

wagnerrp: /proc/config.gz

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wagnerrp:

ah, /proc/config.gz

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[R]:

only if the kernel was built with it

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wagnerrp:

right, thanks

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Beirdo:

so that crash is in the last log message in DRB::Stop

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wagnerrp:

make is not installed... seriously?

[03:17:18]

wagnerrp:

suse, you suck

[03:17:54]

Beirdo:

which is the same as it was.... maybe I need another distclean... but I'm gonna kee an eye on this thing

[03:28:53]

iamlindoro:

God, Doug Peale is a super douche

[03:29:08]

iamlindoro:

" wanted to look at the channel editor since the developers are planning to replace the mythweb editor with it. I know you it is not finished yet, but I'm rather disappointed with what I see so far."

[03:29:28]

mag0o:

meh, what's up with all of the 'extreme' on Food Network...just cook some good stuff and show me how.

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iamlindoro:

I know it's not finished, and I'm not even supposed to be looking at it so far, but here's an essay on why your effort is for s**t

[03:30:11]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: isnt there a spinbox to select how many rows to show?

[03:30:21]

iamlindoro:

Not to mention we have no intention of replacing mythweb's editor

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Yes, though the height is currently fixed, but that's thanks to jqgrid, and probably changeable

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: be one thing if he were providing some patches to help out ;)

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iamlindoro:

It may also be that I set it to do that because we're trying to optimize it for 1024x768

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Beirdo:

oh no!!! what about the people who want 640x480?!

[03:34:50]

Beirdo:

heheh

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Beirdo:

I believe the polite answer would be... "Too bad, sorry."

[03:37:46]

Beirdo:

wonder if I can find a hammock to fit on my balcony

[03:38:15]

mag0o:

BWOC, second cousin to FRWOP

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mag0o:

Bitching With Out Coding

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Beirdo:

not everyone has to be able to code to be valuable

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mag0o:

:)

[03:39:04]

Beirdo:

but if you don't code, you gotta find someone who does to master your cause

[03:39:08]

Beirdo:

or it ain't gonna go far

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mag0o:

yep

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: second cousin, the one with the weird growth that got named george

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Beirdo:

hehe. For being too curious?

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iamlindoro:

It's more frustrating because if I wanted people to use it, We would release .25 and remove the other editors

[03:40:55]

iamlindoro:

It's not even at the "please submit patches" stage yet... it's at the "piss off and let me work" stage

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Beirdo:

"please direct your comments to /dev/null until I've released the first public version"

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mag0o:

that would be an awesome reply

[03:44:39]

Beirdo:

I think that my coding for the day is over... unless I find a bug that needs fixing immediately

[03:44:56]

Beirdo:

need a rest so I can tilt at the windmill again later

[03:51:07]

Beirdo:

I could do the transcription of the podcast, I guess

[03:51:28]

Beirdo:

or start on it... but that takes a bit of time

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Beirdo:

that sounds too much like work for tonight

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo: People who are lazy to actually listen to it deserve what they get ;)

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iamlindoro:

which is to say, nothing

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Beirdo:

that is true

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Beirdo:

I'd rather do a transcript of the one you did anyways

[04:00:08]

Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

some other day.

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Beirdo:

for now, it's a watch TV evening

[04:02:40]

wagnerrp:

didnt you do two?

[04:04:19]

Beirdo:

I know of one he did, was there a second that I missed?

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k-man:

is there some way to make a playlist of videos (in watch video) and play the whole list sequentially?

[04:09:22]

wagnerrp:

play the whole folder

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k-man:

ah ok, ill try that

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iamlindoro:

I did two

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iamlindoro:

but it's nothing folks haven't learned inthe time since

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iamlindoro:

I admit to being interested in what Nick has to say, he's the one I dealt with in getting libhdhomerun fixed upstream... just haven't found the time lately

[04:15:19]

iamlindoro:

ThisNewGuy: http://bit.ly/nxrFPH

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k-man:

how do I ask about progress with a bug without pissing people off?

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iamlindoro:

ThisNewGuy: This is one of the two things you asked for.. a batch rule update-- use at own risk, extremely lightly tested

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wagnerrp:

k-man: dont do it on dev channels unless youre going to contribute patches or new information

[04:16:17]

k-man:

no no, I was just going to ask here

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wagnerrp:

(this is not a dev channel)

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k-man:

well – I think I still see this bug: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8316

[04:16:39]

wagnerrp:

meaning its fair game

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k-man:

playlists in watch recordings don't seem to work

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iamlindoro:

Of course you still see it, it's not fixed

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iamlindoro:

and nobody has mentioned it any time lately-- it's quite likely that it will languish for quite a long time

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k-man:

any ideas what could be causing it?

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iamlindoro:

Especially as whenever playlists come up, we all just talk about how the current implementation is crap and someday we'll write a universal one

[04:18:22]

iamlindoro:

nope, no idea

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k-man:

or how to even look further into it? maybe I could at least do some research that would help the dev?

[04:18:54]

iamlindoro:

Nope, no notion of where to begin, you'd need to do all the legwork yourself

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k-man:

ok

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iamlindoro:

A random off-the-top-of-my-head guess would be that the playlist continuing is based on the previous player exiting with a given return value, and that isn't being returned

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wagnerrp:

k-man: honestly, i dont know who you would actually bug about it

[04:20:09]

wagnerrp:

not many people seem to be concerned about playlists

[04:20:40]

wagnerrp:

and janne (dev on the ticket) is for all intents and purposes gone

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k-man:

wagnerrp, ok

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k-man:

I think I'll set up a dev environment somehwere and see if I can at least get a bit more info about it

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iamlindoro:

ThisNewGuy: http://bit.ly/rhXXPU And here's the second thing

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iamlindoro:

ThisNewGuy: So here are the use cases: You set all your inetrefs in your rules manually, and want them to populate the associated recordings: run mythmetadatalookup without arguments (or with --refresh-all)

[05:21:43]

iamlindoro:

You want all your rules to be best-effort automatically populated with inetrefs, and want the resulting inetrefs to propagate to the recordings: run mythmetadatalookup --refresh-all-rule

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iamlindoro:

--refresh-all-rules, that is

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iamlindoro:

Note that this assumes and *empty* inetref in the receiving direction

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iamlindoro:

so if you've set inetrefs on a recording, and set a different inetref on the rule, no copying will take place, by design

[05:24:24]

iamlindoro:

(but subsequent recordings would inherit it from the rule)

[05:25:01]

iamlindoro:

so basically, --refresh-all and --refresh-all-rules are useful once or twice, for legacy users, and prone to some amount of false positives

[05:25:07]

iamlindoro:

but there they are, use at own risk

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k-man:

since mythtv moved to github, do people run their own forks and submit patches via the pull request mechanism?

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iamlindoro:

occasionally, but more often by the traditional ticket + diff method

[05:35:15]

iamlindoro:

It would be one thing to submit a pull request for a many-commits-deep feature or branch, it's another for a simple bugfix

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k-man:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

but really, either will work

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iamlindoro:

to be honest with you, I ignore pull requests because I haven't the foggiest idea what to do with one, so there may be some amount of that

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k-man:

oh ok

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

if you DO put in a pull request, please put in a ticket in trac referencing it as well

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k-man:

I have contributed to a few projects using pull requests (always very minor patches, one liners etc) and from my side it makes contributing a breeze

[05:38:20]

k-man:

Beirdo, not much danger of that happening yet – but if I do, I will attach a ticket as requested

[05:38:23]

Beirdo:

it's pretty easy from this side too, but it's something not many of us have done yet

[05:38:54]

Beirdo:

so yeah, several of us pretty much ignore them as there's always so much to do anyways :)

[05:41:06]

Beirdo:

iamlindoro: if the time comes to do a pull request, github does have instructions it puts in the request (or it did last time I saw one)

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Beirdo:

but whatever works :)

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Beirdo:

oooh Douglas Peale is at it again

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k-man:

who is Douglas Peale?

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wagnerrp:

person on the mailing list

[05:50:10]

wagnerrp:

he decided to try out master, and then complained when it was not stable to his liking

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Beirdo:

trying parts that are known to not be ready for mass consumption yet

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wagnerrp:

that plus the channel editor is crap because he cant display fourteen thousand channels on his WQXGA penis

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iamlindoro:

respond'd

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iamlindoro:

User manipulates channels manually in editros which do no error checking, channel tuning doesn't work, news at 11

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iamlindoro:

Of course it's master's fault, not his extensive manual dicking with critical channel and multiplex tables

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iamlindoro:

k-man: tell me you didn't just "me too" a ticket

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wagnerrp:

note to self... TEST the power supply before spending several minutes bolting everything back togetherrrr

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Beirdo:

oh jeez.

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iamlindoro:

And who complains about having to press a couple keys every hour? Marathon masturbators?

[05:58:13]

Beirdo:

hahaha

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wagnerrp:

replace one supply because the fan is going bad, and under heavy load it is overheating and shutting off

[05:59:16]

wagnerrp:

the next supply make a weak groaning noise as its fan rotates at ~50rpm

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Beirdo:

woops

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wagnerrp:

to anyone who ever considered buying anything inwin... dont

[06:01:04]

wagnerrp:

its all garbage

[06:01:19]

wagnerrp:

their slim smaller-than-tfx form factor is complete junk

[06:01:21]

Beirdo:

I think I did once.

[06:01:27]

Beirdo:

but it was crap

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wagnerrp:

yeah, well ive got 800 of them in the room behind me

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Beirdo:

800?

[06:02:20]

wagnerrp:

compute nodes

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Beirdo:

ah

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iamlindoro:

you know, you're allowed to go home

[06:03:16]

iamlindoro:

unless that is your home, in which case you're allowed to get therapy

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Beirdo:

jsut in time to go back to work tomoorow

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Beirdo:

wow, I'm typing-challenged

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: i NEED that much power

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wagnerrp:

how else am i going to transcode all these bluray down to slightly smaller proportions

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monkeypet:

in fc15, how do spawn mythfrontend on the secondary display?

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iamlindoro:

Every time I go into #hdhomerun with a bugfix or code question about their lib, I always end up running into that goofball who used to come in here and talk about how he was setting up a headend in his house because he had aspbergers and blah blah

[06:04:45]

iamlindoro:

the 800 compute nodes reminded me of that

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Beirdo:

heh

[06:05:06]

iamlindoro:

I guess he eventually did it

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Beirdo:

my poor wireless is being used to shuttle files.

[06:05:12]

wagnerrp:

monkeypet: depends on how your secondary display is configured

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monkeypet:

i know DISPLAY=:0.1 mythfrontend doesn't work "cannot connect to X server :0.1" I was told that if I can drag and drop between the two, it is one display?

[06:06:18]

wagnerrp:

correct, if you can drag/drop, youre either using xinerama, or randr

[06:06:30]

wagnerrp:

in which case you need to specify the offset you want to start at

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iamlindoro:

Why do I suspect Douglas won't like my response (I wasn't mean, just honest)

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Beirdo:

he will be offended that open source doesn't work his way, I'm sure

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iamlindoro:

I can almost definitely guess that he's changed the si_standard on his multiplex, and thus it's now an invalid value, but do I have the patience to track it down with him when he's obviously such a problem child? Nope.

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monkeypet:

where was that run mythfrontend in window checkbox option that?

[06:08:39]

monkeypet:

option at?

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iamlindoro:

Appearance setting

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iamlindoro:

s

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monkeypet:

Oh, I found it, in the settings, there is a display on window X, I changed the X from 0 to 1, works!

[06:10:42]

monkeypet:

mythfrontend settings..

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wagnerrp:

that value makes a guess at what your displays are based off the geometry

[06:11:05]

wagnerrp:

its not always correct

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: He may mean the xinerama settings that only appear when xinerama is running?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i didnt think it could actually detect the screens

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wagnerrp:

i thought it just made an intelligent guess

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iamlindoro:

hmm, yeah, dunno

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Beirdo:

Oh I love having angry birds in Chrome now

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

why would you use a HDHR to set up your own headend?

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wagnerrp:

or was he building the headend, so he could capture it with his HDHR?

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k-man:

iamlindoro, no I did not just me too a ticket

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k-man:

I may have me tooed one a long time ago... please don't hold that against me

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k-man:

that was before I understood about me tooing

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k-man:

that's weird – I presume you were refering to the ticket I pasted earlier? I am not matthyo

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k-man:

cool, not only did mattyho manage to me too, but he also complained about bugs in a compleetly unrelated project

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Beirdo:

oh wow, found my old stash of Megadeth videos ;)

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Beirdo:

from back in the days when MTV and VH1 actually played em

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: is that back before dan ackroyd and chevy chase blew up their satellite?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

fun listening to Angry Birds going "ow, crap!" too

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

and I'd forgotten how bad the mix was on this Tourniquet concert bootleg footage (from their site)

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Beirdo:

still amazes me how much sound can come from so few instruments

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Beirdo:

haah, I didn't realize that

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Beirdo:

that album by Tourniquet... almost all the guitar solos on the album were by Marty Friedman

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Beirdo:

no wonder I liked that particular album so much compared to the others. Now I must find the CD

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quentusrex_:

Is there no way to have interactive mode when watching live tv show the callsign instead of the channel number?

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quentusrex_:

I have been able to sort the channels by callsign, but I can't seem to get 0.24+fixes to show the callsigns.

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Beirdo:

found my m4a rip of the CD, that will do for the moment

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Beirdo:

two of their oldest albums are soon to be cut on vinyl

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Beirdo:

\o/

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justinh:

oh darnit. left an ssh session open on my work desktop when I left on Friday. whoops

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

well, high time for bed for me

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ThisNewGuy:

iamlindoro: Wow! Thanks for the quick turnaround. That's exactly what I was looking for. I'll try to test ASAP.

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ThisNewGuy:

Hey all – has anyone see this: http://pastebin.com/1bqnrvBQ in recent versions of master when running jamu with -MW

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iamlindoro:

ThisNewGuy: I haven't used JAMU in quite a while, but the bindings have been changing a lot, especially this past week-- you may want to check with wagnerrp, I assume he's going to just let it rot on the vine since all JAMU capabilities will be present in the FE by .25, and 90% of them already are

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iamlindoro:

We've already talked about removing it for sure by .25, so were it me I wouldn't be keeping it up to date

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ThisNewGuy:

k – once the fanart/etc is in the new dialogs/mythmetadatalookup I should be all set – in the meantime I just did a git pull to test the refresh-rules stuff so hopefully that'll fix it for me

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dudz_:

where do i start when trying to findout what firmware version i need for my tv tunner card ?

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ThisNewGuy:

no dice

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dudz_:

its being detected as: Zarlink ZL10353 DVB-T but its not that

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dudz_:

i have a Winfast PxDVR3200 H

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dudz_:

hmm, i download the windows drivers from the manufacturers website then use a perl script to convert it hey

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iamlindoro:

ThisNewGuy: No dice what?

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ThisNewGuy:

iamlindoro: git pull didn't fix the JAMU error – I tried commenting out the call to searchVideos (since I don't use miro and that seems to be working)

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iamlindoro:

ThisNewGuy: oh, yeah, I wouldn't expect it to

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iamlindoro:

The whole mythvideo class of the bindings has been gutted

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iamlindoro:

since mythvideo doesn't exist any more

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ThisNewGuy:

heh – that would do it

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iamlindoro:

some things have been moved to core, some have been changed, some have been removed

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iamlindoro:

Artwork downloading/picking for recording rules is actually already done, just commented out... UI, download, everything... Only thing missing is the addition of the table to hold them, and two convenience functions-- one to put the artwork in, one to pull it out

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ThisNewGuy:

sweet! I can't wait to play with it

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iamlindoro:

Only two things have kept if from getting done-- lack of time, and waffling about how best to support multiple seasons of a show, since I intend to allow the artwork to change/be updated when the season changes

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iamlindoro:

so by default, when "Game of Thrones" goes from S1->S2, it would pick up and add new artwork... while leaving the S1 artwork in the lookup table for S1 episodes

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** ThisNewGuy is running mythmetadataloader --refresh-all-rules **

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iamlindoro:

worked for me... though I guess "all" rules is sort of a misnomer since it only operates on those without inetref

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iamlindoro:

off to work

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ThisNewGuy:

iamlindoro: that sounds awesome

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wagnerrp:

ThisNewGuy: not sure why that would fail, categories is a valid search term

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wagnerrp:

firefox 8 is 20% faster than firefox 5

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wagnerrp:

wait... i havent even had a chance to try firefox 6 yet

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iamlindoro:

sorry, firefox 8 was only supported between 7AM and 8AM this morning, now there is only firefox 9

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iamlindoro:

We hope you enjoy upgrading to firefox 10 over lunch

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iamlindoro:

ThisNewGuy: Why not just escape the single quote in the string?

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iamlindoro:

Or does it already do so and fail to account for something?

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ThisNewGuy:

iamlindoro: It just ignores single quotes now – I think either escaping or double quoting should work

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iamlindoro:

I think escaping is probably cleaner

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ThisNewGuy:

k – I don't feel passionate about it

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iamlindoro:

ThisNewGuy: http://pastebin.com/s6mhrTmc Can you test that?

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ThisNewGuy:

k

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iamlindoro:

ThisNewGuy: Only cleaner in that it follows the same method as the others

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iamlindoro:

(That patch may not actually work, the pre-slashes before the single quote possibly aren't necessary)

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quentusrex_:

Is there no way to have interactive mode when watching live tv show the callsign instead of the channel number?

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quentusrex_:

I have been able to sort the channels by callsign, but I can't seem to get 0.24+fixes to show the callsigns.

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iamlindoro:

quentusrex_: You could edit the theme, sure

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quentusrex_:

so the live tv interactive browse mode is controlled by the system theme?

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iamlindoro:

by the UI theme, yes

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iamlindoro:

Anything which displays text or is in any way related to appearance is in the UI theme

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quentusrex_:

ok, thanks. I'll check into that.

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iamlindoro:

np

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iamlindoro:

ThisNewGuy: Did --refresh-all-rules otherwise do what you expected of it?

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ThisNewGuy:

iamlindoro: your patch looks good

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iamlindoro:

and as a followup, have a relatively high accuracy?

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iamlindoro:

ThisNewGuy: ok, works with your example?

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ThisNewGuy:

I've only tested against mythmetadatalookup so it looks a little weird to see something like: "Larry\'s Sitcom" but ttvdb.py worked

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iamlindoro:

ThisNewGuy: Well, in theory if we don't escape it and there are *multiple* single quotes there could be a problem, no?

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ThisNewGuy:

iamlindoro: --refresh-all-rules did work, the accuracy seemed pretty good (I haven't done the math but I'd say 80% of TV shows)

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iamlindoro:

ThisNewGuy: 80% successful lookup, or 80% successful lookup, 20% false positive? Because it's the latter I worry about ;)

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iamlindoro:

If it looked up 80% and didn't find anything for 20%, but no obvious false positives, I'm happy with that

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ThisNewGuy:

80% successful lookup – I think I got < 5% false positives and ~15% empty

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ThisNewGuy:

these numbers are based on eyeballing not real math

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iamlindoro:

OK. Just so long as people realize that they are taking the accuracy into their own hands when they use the option, I can live with that

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iamlindoro:

I just don't want to be responsible for "--refresh-all-rules set CONAN == Conan" tickets

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ThisNewGuy:

:-) The only weird thing I noticed and I didn't confirm this yet, but I think some how I had a recording with "" for the inetref and that got populated into the rule

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wagnerrp:

Tonight on Conan, James Earl Jones turns into a snake, and his stone temple is set on fire!

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wagnerrp:

Musical guest, The Killers.

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iamlindoro:

ThisNewGuy: I'm not sure I get what you mean, you had a recording with an empty inetref, and that got copied to a rule that... had one? or...?

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iamlindoro:

ThisNewGuy: That doesn't sound quite right to me, though, since there's no code to copy an inetref from a recording to a rule, only the other way around

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ThisNewGuy:

k – maybe it was a side effect of the single quote thing? or maybe I'm just mistaken

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iamlindoro:

Well wait-- did you use --refresh-rules ?

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iamlindoro:

instead of a --refresh-all-rules

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ThisNewGuy:

that was during a refresh-rules-all

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ThisNewGuy:

er all-rules

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iamlindoro:

Hmm, let me look at it and see if anything unexpected could happen

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ThisNewGuy:

k – I don't have any real proof yet – I'll double check when I get home

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ThisNewGuy:

anyway – I'm off – thanks again for all of the hard (and quick) work!

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iamlindoro:

--refresh-all-rules first does a lookup of all the rules... then a copy of the rules inetrefs to recordings that need it... but never a copy of recording inetrefs to rules

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iamlindoro:

So it doesn't *sound* possible, but if you have logs that you can share, that might help

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iamlindoro:

The only way a recording inetref should be pushed back to a rule would be running with --refresh-rules, which will push a inetref back to the rule, but only when the lookup is successful, and thus the inetref could never be null

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Beirdo:

#9914 is likely fixed by the ShellQuote fix

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo: Hmm, how would it be? The fix only handled ', not /

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Beirdo:

hmm, I guess not.

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iamlindoro:

I'm also a little concerned about the filename throwing off the myth URIs

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Beirdo:

yeah, we have to make sure our URI escaping is right too

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Beirdo:

in a filename is inherently evil

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iamlindoro:

Since it would be myth://Coverart@Master:6544/Nip/Tuck Season 1_coverart.jpg

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Beirdo:

err / in a filename

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Beirdo:

stupid IRC

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iamlindoro:

That said, encasing in quotes when / occurs should at least cover the filename itself-- but since there may be more to it, I probably ought to test at home

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Beirdo:

and & too

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Beirdo:

and ; and a pile of other non-shell-safe characters

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sphery:

yeah, the comment on #9913 made me think it was already-quoted strings

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sphery:

or added quoting around the strings

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sphery:

definitely sounds like it's going to take several changes and maybe a rework to handle all the various issues

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kormoc:

can't just url encode/url decode?

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kormoc:

split the url encoded and then url decode the chunks

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kormoc:

myth://Coverart@Master:6544/Nip%2FTuck%20Season%201_coverart.jpg

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: I am pretty sure we do

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: I just want to verify that

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jams:

wagnerrp- for the info returned by the storage section, specificly videototal,videofree. Is it possible for the numbers to change between hosts that are part of the same myth cluster?

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jams:

Thinking maybe local storage groups can come into play.

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Beirdo:

kormoc: I *think* we do it that way, but yeah, confirmation is always better than vague memory

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Beirdo:

hahahah. Chase Bank is retarded. They just sent me a "get $100 for opening a savings account email"

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Beirdo:

the catch: opening balance of $10k or more

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kormoc:

woah

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kormoc:

that's... new

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Beirdo:

like I have $10k to toss into an account to get a measly $100

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kormoc:

I wouldn't trust them with 10k

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Beirdo:

I think I'll just stick with BECU. Thanks.

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kormoc:

I barely trust them with my credit card

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Beirdo:

yeah, I hear ya

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wagnerrp:

jams: for all hosts, that information is just pulled from the master backend

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wagnerrp:

so long as the different nodes share a single master backend, the storage returned will be the same

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jams:

so local storage groups don't matter

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jams:

ok

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wagnerrp:

no such thing as local storage groups

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wagnerrp:

except for recording purposes, all storage is globally acessible

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kormoc:

Beirdo, re your libupskirt comment the other day, http://www.zdnet.com/blog/violetblue/when-sof . . . troversy/509

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kormoc:

that guy is just going out of his way to screw with people

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Beirdo:

hehe

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exelnet:

heya. whats the syntax to select a special pulseaudio sink?

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wagnerrp:

any reason you cant use ALSA?

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iamlindoro:

He hates audio sync

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exelnet:

wagnerrp: yes, i would like to use mythmusic to play music in another room, eventually trying to get multizone support

[19:19:17]

wagnerrp:

i was under the impression mythmusic was not yet hooked up into the new audio output stuff

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exelnet:

for video and tv i ll use passthrough on another device, so thats fine

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wagnerrp:

in any case, if you want to use a network sound server, JACK is a much more robust option

[19:19:53]

exelnet:

wagnerrp: thats what i wanted to test... :=)

[19:27:23]

exelnet:

well porting mythmusic to the new system might not be that complicated but it would be nice to know if the new system supports playing sound on choosen pulseaudio sink

[19:29:03]

wagnerrp:

mythtv now supports using pulseaudio for output

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wagnerrp:

but i believe there are some significant limitations on it

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wagnerrp:

plus there is no ability to use passthrough digital audio

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exelnet:

wagnerrp: yes but using pulseaudio and alsa together works fine in the current stable. As I start tv the music stops and mythtv (alsa) grabs the device. On stop the music played via the pulseaudio device resumes.

[19:32:36]

exelnet:

But if the system would support selecting a pulseaudio sink, multi zone support for mythmusic could be easily accomplished.

[19:33:02]

wagnerrp:

exelnet: rather pulseaudio gets suspended, while the music player and other applications continue sending it data

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exelnet:

of course this would be only usefull for stereo sound

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wagnerrp:

so when you enable pulseaudio again

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wagnerrp:

to get a flood of screeching and noise as several hundred MB of sound data comes rushing through

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wagnerrp:

the fact that playback suspends pulseaudio, while music does not

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exelnet:

wagnerrp: well the funny thing is amarok seems to pause while mythtv tv is active, no didnt happen here

[19:34:11]

wagnerrp:

would indicate mythmusic does not use the player interface

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wagnerrp:

then amarok stops playback when it detects pulseaudio is no longer accepting data

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exelnet:

yes

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Beirdo:

I think iamlindoro is having a typo day too

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iamlindoro:

It's going to word just fine

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Beirdo:

"If it does not word.."

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Beirdo:

word.

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Beirdo:

:)

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iamlindoro:

I've been wording on that ticket all morning

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wagnerrp:

exelnet: simply put, mythtv has a hate relationship with pulseaudio

[19:37:12]

iamlindoro:

Technically asking him to test it is somewhat superfluous, I can always get home and test it myself

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wagnerrp:

right now, we support minimal functionality so that people who insist on using it, can use it with minimal capability

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wagnerrp:

dont expect it to expand significantly beyond that

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iamlindoro:

But be do percent-decode on the far end, so percent encoding the title on the way in ought to do the trick... but that should be all it takes

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iamlindoro:

er but we

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wagnerrp:

unless some 3rd party user takes it upon themselves to put up a big patch

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exelnet:

wagnerrp: well it got a lot better. even with pulseaudio i dont have any sync problems. well the minimal functionality is 80% of the work. Full functionality will be less then 20% of the work.

[19:39:13]

wagnerrp:

full functionality would be abandoning pulseaudio for something like JACK

[19:39:23]

wagnerrp:

designed from the ground up for the needs of low latency multimedia

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exelnet:

wagnerrp: well i like pulseaudio but I would also go with jack. How is the jack support?

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wagnerrp:

i know we have a configure option before it, but ive never seen any of the configuration for it

[19:42:05]

wagnerrp:

so honestly, i dont know

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Beirdo:

heh, I know there's a source file for it

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but has jya touched any of it after his rewrite

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Beirdo:

not much

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exelnet:

https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . tputjack.cpp seems ok to me

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Beirdo:

https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commits/mast . . . tputjack.cpp

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Beirdo:

not much changed lately

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exelnet:

:=)

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Beirdo:

OK, time fer food

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iamlindoro:

Troubleshooting Yianni's issue would have been much easier had he decided to include logs

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iamlindoro:

but as ever, nothing

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skd5aner:

!seen RDV_Linux

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MythLogBot:

RDV_Linux was last seen 64 days 2 hours 50 minutes 37 seconds ago

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: I don't think he's up for IRC these days

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iamlindoro:

he has submitted some patches via e-mail, but that's about it

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: hes still around, what did you need?

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skd5aner:

Ah, nothing in particular – just curious about his whereabouts

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skd5aner:

I miss his active contributions

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wagnerrp:

well hes still around, just not in here

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wagnerrp:

i really dislike the standard distro model of compiling modules for everything under the sun, and nothing into the kernel itself

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j-rod:

wagnerrp: that's not the model used by all distros...

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j-rod:

fedora compiles in several things that are more or less guaranteed to be needed by any modern system

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wagnerrp:

no, but it seems to be standard by most

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wagnerrp:

trying to set up network boot with suse

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sphery:

umm, you really want some poor user to waste a couple of megabytes of HDD space by having a driver for some feature he's not using built into his kernel? Besides, I once saw someone talk up the benefits of the "microkernel" approach.

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wagnerrp:

i cant get their stock kernel to do it, even with their documented method of loading nfsroot as a module in the initrd

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sphery:

(and, yes, I know that Linux is not a microkernel--which is what made the article so funny)

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j-rod:

ha

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wagnerrp:

so instead im trying to build my own, but theyve made such a mess of menuconfig

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wagnerrp:

that im getting caught in dependency hell

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wagnerrp:

and cant manage to actually get the thing to compile

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j-rod:

haven't taken a serious look at suse in quite some time now.

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j-rod:

dammit, I hate UEs.

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wagnerrp:

UE?

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j-rod:

stupid edac labels not working either...

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j-rod:

Uncorrectable Error

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j-rod:

ECC memory thing

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j-rod:

they're bad

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wagnerrp:

and every time i make a minor change to the config, it triggers a recompile of the whole thing

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wagnerrp:

actually, the workstation im currently on has been getting flooded with EDAC NFEs for a while now

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j-rod:

as long as they're CEs, its fine

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kormoc:

(ish)

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j-rod:

though it may indicate its time to replace some of your memory soon, before it starts developing UEs

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wagnerrp:

non-fatal error

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wagnerrp:

but it fills up the kernel logs

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j-rod:

the higher the rate, the sooner I'd think about it

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j-rod:

wait, it actually says NFE, not CE?

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j-rod:

not sure what that means, exactly… What's running on that system?

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wagnerrp:

EDAC i5000 MCO: NON-FATAL ERRORS Found!!!

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j-rod:

MC0, not MCO

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wagnerrp:

similar system to kormoc's "desktop"

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j-rod:

Memory Controller 0

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** kormoc shifty eyes **

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wagnerrp:

yeah, 0

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j-rod:

there was a point in time where I had to replace sticks of memory in any cluster node if it hit more than 10 CEs/24 hours

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, I'm thinking of ditching it and going to a single 15" MBP

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j-rod:

in a cluster with thousands of nodes, each with 8 sticks of RAM, this SUCKS. BADLY.

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j-rod:

wagnerrp: was there anything else besides that message?

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j-rod:

usually, there's more detailed stuff after something like that

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j-rod:

GART errors aren't uncommon (and generally non-fatal)

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wagnerrp:

EDAC i5000 MC0: NON-FATAL ERRORS Found!!! 1st NON-FATAL Err Reg= 0x800

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wagnerrp:

EDAC i5000: NON-Retry Errors, bits= 0x800

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j-rod:

what kernel version is that? something old-ish?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, .27

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wagnerrp:

about 2.5yrs old

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j-rod:

ah, ok. explains why I wasn't seeing those strings. has been updated a fair bit since then.

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j-rod:

heh. including a few commits from the guy who sits two cubes behind me here in the office :)

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wagnerrp:

im about to just drop the suse mess all together and grab a vanilla kernel to deal with

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j-rod:

frell. same UE strikes again.

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j-rod:

time to rip out a few modules and play memory roulette

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j-rod:

well, maybe tomorrow.

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j-rod:

I feel like going home and playing video games instead.

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wagnerrp:

well i figured out why this keeps keeps shutting down every couple minutes

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wagnerrp:

the CPU was hitting the thermal limit i set of 70C

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wagnerrp:

and i could just never tell because the stock SUSE kernel does not want to display ACPI thermal zones

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wagnerrp:

amazing, a regrease and its so stable...

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iamlindoro:

Reeeeeegrease

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iamlindoro:

I wonder when/if people will clue into the fact that the new recording metadata image stuff supports SGs only

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iamlindoro:

And as a corollary, whether anyone will freak out

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wagnerrp:

recordings support SGs only

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wagnerrp:

whats the difference?

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wagnerrp:

or do you mean it will only work if the image storage groups are defined?

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iamlindoro:

it will definitely only work if at *least* the videos SG is defined

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iamlindoro:

but realistically, the image SGs need to be, yeah (for the image part of it, anyway)

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iamlindoro:

They *will* fall back to a Videos SG, if it exists

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iamlindoro:

if none of them exist, it'll fail altogether

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iamlindoro:

So I really wonder if we should make the image SGs mandatory now

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iamlindoro:

Oh, also, the whole shebang is master backend only

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iamlindoro:

(since that's the only BE which will universally be up and available, and we don't want to have to have a copy of each image for each show everywhere it could possibly record)

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wagnerrp:

might be good to define that behavior for the code formerly known as mythvideo as well

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iamlindoro:

Maybe so

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Twiggy2cents:

so mythvideo is going to be integrated?

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iamlindoro:

s/is going to be/has been/

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Twiggy2cents:

in 0.25?

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iamlindoro:

in master

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