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wagnerrp:

probably kormoc

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: ^^^

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, I upgraded my distro last night, and I'm having some bindings issues, which I am sure are ust local ones... mythpython gives: "MythTV.exceptions.MythError: No viable database module found."

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iamlindoro:

did I lose a python module I need?

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wagnerrp:

perhaps mysqldb did not get updated for a shift to python 2.7?

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wagnerrp:

since the one doesnt install over top of the other

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wagnerrp:

modules must be reinstalled for the new version

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iamlindoro:

dunno... configure goes through okay, and apt tells me python-mysqldb is installed

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iamlindoro:

I'll try forcing a reinstall

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wagnerrp:

open python, run 'import MySQLdb'

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wagnerrp:

and then MySQLdb.version

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wagnerrp:

or maybe .__version__

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wagnerrp:

i dont remember which

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iamlindoro:

'1.2.2'

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wagnerrp:

there are issues with python 2.7 and mysqldb 1.2.2, in that it doesnt work

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wagnerrp:

1.2.3 was released to accept the changes in the python database api

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wagnerrp:

so i have the bindings check for that if its running 2.7

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iamlindoro:

hrm. Wonder how the mythbuntu folks are handling this? This is just stock 11.04 Ubuntu

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ThisNewGuy:

hey all – I just upgrade from ubuntu 10.04 to 11.04 and now my remote doesn't work – has any one ever seen this: http://pastebin.com/WYU6Fzfm

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Just built a newer version myself, seems happy now

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ThisNewGuy:

hey iamlindo – I have that same problem also – what was your solution?

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iamlindoro:

build my own python-mysqldb 1.2.3

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ThisNewGuy:

how do you do that?

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wagnerrp:

seems they cant just push everyone onto to 1.2.3, but they have to backport 1.2.2

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wagnerrp:

go figure...

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wagnerrp:

https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-m . . . 2.2-10build2

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iamlindoro:

get the mysqldb source, build it, install it

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ThisNewGuy:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Interesting, though that changelog date suggests it should never have been a problem

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Ah, but it's your internal check that was failing

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wagnerrp:

correct

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iamlindoro:

so removing the check would have worked too

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iamlindoro:

Meh, this way is easier

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wagnerrp:

because in everything ive seen, 1.2.2 should not work with 2.7

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iamlindoro:

wonder which mythbuntu is doing

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wagnerrp:

meaning the upstream 1.2.2 should not work with 2.7

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iamlindoro:

tgm4883, ^^ Is mythbuntu installing python-mysqldb 1.2.3 from a separate source, or are you guys patching the python bindings to accept mysqldb 1.2.2 ?

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iamlindoro:

It seems like it has to be the latter, otherwise myth installs on plain ubuntu wouldn't work

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wagnerrp:

well the patch to make it work seems to be a non-trivial several hundred lines of code

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wagnerrp:

meaning its not simply a 'rebuild to add support for python 2.7'

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wagnerrp:

so i dont understand why they couldnt just take the sensible route and go with 1.2.3

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iamlindoro:

Just looked at the patches applied and don't see anything that would disable that check-- so I don't get it

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iamlindoro:

I guess on mythbuntu maybe they can pull in 1.2.3 from another source, but what about packaged installs on regular Ubuntu?

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iamlindoro:

unless the check was added since .24?

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iamlindoro:

in which case their trunk packages would have bindings issues

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wagnerrp:

no, i believe i added the check before 0.24

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wagnerrp:

guess not

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iamlindoro:

Well, I give up, my setup works, so I'm happy ;)

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wagnerrp:

its trunk only

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iamlindoro:

ok, so something to keep in mind if *buntu folks start complaining about bindings in master

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ThisNewGuy:

any love on iMon with Ubuntu 11.04?

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ThisNewGuy:

Can anyone help me understand why up/down/left/right work on my remote (in mythfrontend) even though lirc isn't running – Ubuntu 11.04

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iamlindoro:

because your remote is being detected as a generic HID device, ie like a keyboard... which is fine, except it usually means most buttons don't actually work

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iamlindoro:

It is, however, a half step towards a few years from now when remotes will work without LIRC... but that requires some changes to Xorg that will be slow in coming

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iamlindoro:

So for most people right now, you still need to set up LIRC as ever

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ThisNewGuy:

iamlindoro – thanks – any ideas how I can get it to be detected as a remote and not as a hid device?

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iamlindoro:

Just install lirc and set up as usual

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ThisNewGuy:

lirc is installed – but I don't get any /dev/lirc<num> devices created and mode2 doesn't indicate any IR presses

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iamlindoro:

because you haven't configured lirc

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iamlindoro:

it doesn't just magically create those nodes, you still need to edit the configuration files and tell it what driver to use, etc.

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iamlindoro:

and of course you need to have the lirc module for your receiver installed and working too

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Hilikus:

hey guys

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ThisNewGuy:

I have lirc_imon running and I ran "lircd -d /dev/lirc0 -n" but /dev/lirc0 doesn't get created

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Hilikus:

i don't know what happened but now whenever i go to upcoming recordings in mythweb i get this

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Hilikus:

Warning at /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/modules/tv/upcoming.php, line 95:

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Hilikus:

!!NoTrans: Invalid argument supplied for foreach()!!

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Hilikus:

i checked my DB from mythweb but there's nothing wrong. all the tables are ok

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Jester86:

Hey guys. Has anyone used ethernet to coax adapters in here?

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Jester86:

I'm wondering if I could use multiple adapters on the same coax grid or if that'd cause issue

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larrikin:

I thought things like MOCA were multidrop capable ..?

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[R]:

ethernet to coax...

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[R]:

you can run ethernet over coax tobegin with

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Jester86:

I'm not sure, id think and hope they are but would like to talk to someone who's done it

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[R]:

its called 10base2

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Jester86:

Yes ethernet over coax is what I'm doing.. I just want to know if there r adapters which can handle multiple drops.. say 1 @ the router and another 2 mythFEs throughout the house

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larrikin:

[R] nah.. converting ethernet traffic to an isolated band that can run over coax in parallel with fta/pay

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larrikin:

check out MOCA .. google for MOCA alliance .. I think it can

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[R]:

thyat sounds dangerous

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Jester86:

That was another question.. would it interfer with the cable broadcast?

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Jester86:

Ill research moca later.. thx

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larrikin:

its not physical ethernet.. its converted both ends into a limited bandwidth modulated signal at each end, makes it compatible with coax and is designed to flexibly coexist with FTA and PAY signals..

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larrikin:

typically theres a gap between FTA and PAY at about ~0.8–1Ghz .. as long as your antenna setup doesn't introduce too much out of band junk in that area it will coexist perfectly..

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[R]:

i assume this stuff comes with a good filter to prevent it from going out?

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wagnerrp:

except... its so much more functional to abandon the whole concept and run cat6

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larrikin:

wagnerrp.. no doubt.. its for people too afraid to run cables through walls .. and with plenty of $$

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wagnerrp:

for people afraid to run cables, and with plenty of money... hire a professional

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[R]:

wagnerrp: what does 6 do that 5e doesn't?

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wagnerrp:

comes with a nice plastic insert to stiffen it up

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Jester86:

I have a rental so I can't run cat... I either have to go wired via powerline or coax... or wireless :-/

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larrikin:

just higher b/w. ie lower capacitance.. maybe a greater # of turns per foot or something.. /shrug

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[R]:

wagnerrp: that's what she said?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: i assume its sheidling of some kind?

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wagnerrp:

no, its plastic... plastic is not a shielding

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[R]:

well then whats the point?

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larrikin:

no shielding on unshielded cable ... usually. ...;)

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wagnerrp:

to stiffen the cable

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[R]:

why would you want that?

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wagnerrp:

makes it easier to manage, and less likely to loop on itself

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[R]:

i need to stiffen other things... but cables too? /me giggles

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wagnerrp:

i.e. no tangles when you pull it

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[R]:

ah

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larrikin:

I'm having trouble figuring out which parts are the innuendo and which aren't ..

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[R]:

larrikin: it all is

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[R]:

haha

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wagnerrp:

thats what she said

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[R]:

LOL

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Jester86:

Haha wow guys.. must be approaching beer thirty

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larrikin:

damn timezones

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wagnerrp:

nah, closer to beer fifteen

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Jester86:

Haha

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Jester86:

What about adapting ethernet to phone drops.. is that possible?

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wagnerrp:

thats worse than coax

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Jester86:

Id only need enough throughput for mythtv / 1080 h264 content

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[R]:

well that depends on what kind of "phone drop"

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Jester86:

I know it'd be worse but would it b fast enough for myth

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[R]:

my house was originally "wired for phone" with cat5e

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Jester86:

Hmm this seems to b an older house so I'm not holding my breath there

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larrikin:

mm.. if you were wiring a new house you'd consider running cat6 everywhere for phone/lan and use a central patchbox to assign sockets between the two .. as is done in most office premises these days

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wagnerrp:

it you were wiring a new house, you wouldnt even bother with phone

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wagnerrp:

just run more ethernet

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[R]:

lol

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Jester86:

Well yeah but... I'm not building a new house.. yet ;)

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wagnerrp:

if you were rewiring an existing home, you wouldnt even bother with phone

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larrikin:

yeah, that too .. but I have trouble with not being able to dial emergency services.. which voip doesn't allow in .au at least

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Jester86:

I hate renting for this very reason.. never built how id do it lol

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wagnerrp:

larrikin: assuming you actually actually need a landline phone over cell, cordless phones are readily available

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larrikin:

true ..

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wagnerrp:

assuming youre not going whole hog and running IP phones to a local PBX

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[R]:

people still have house phones?

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Jester86:

What's a lanline? ;)

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larrikin:

I'm in the 3rd world .. its shocking .. kangaroos jumpin about.. dropbears ..

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Jester86:

Haha

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wagnerrp:

Jester86: its the line to the bathroom at a lan party

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[R]:

larrikin: dingos eating peoples babies...

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larrikin:

[R] convenient excuse .. convenient excuse..

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wagnerrp:

[R]: hey now, dont you be joking about that

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

you know thats a true story? lady lost her kid

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larrikin:

umm .. yeah we know..

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Jester86:

Haha

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wagnerrp:

youre about to cross some f'in lines

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Jester86:

There was a 7? Yr old who got getten by a bear at a national park a couple yrs back

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Jester86:

Pulled him right out of his tent

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** wagnerrp thinks people need to watch more tropic thunder **

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Jester86:

G2g thx guys

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[R]:

wagnerrp: i tried watching that crap once

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[R]:

wagnerrp: hsut it off like half into it

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Can you do me a favor and pastebin the HDHR devices from your select * from capturecard;?

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iamlindoro:

And for extra credit, you could set up the same device using IP and give me the same results

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sphery:

/q iamlindoro

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sphery:

heh

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iamlindoro:

/q you, buddy

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

mmm. beer good

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: http://pastebin.com/LDg7knLF

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wagnerrp:

i pass on the extra credit

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wagnerrp:

not at home to run mythtv-setup

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, It's okay, I manually created one myself... no device, but at least I have the comparison

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iamlindoro:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

Still, your pastebin blows my theory, so back to the drawing board

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iamlindoro:

Heh, I could fix it and hold the fix in reserve until they send me an HDHR ;)

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iamlindoro:

son of a

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iamlindoro:

found it

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Chiwauwa:

Is there a frontend setting, by default, that I can enable to shut it down after e.g. 20 min (if idle)? My backend starts and stops automatically according to frontend status and scheduled recordings. The kids tend to forget to shutdown the frontend in the morning if they are allowed to watch some cartoons and this keeps a frontend and a backend running with no purpose for many hours. I've been looking for this with being

[06:13:49]

Chiwauwa:

able to find the setting and the system is just running and running, so I haven't been playing with the setup for a long time. I'm using the latest 0.24.1 snapshot.

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[R]:

i thoguht there used to be a frontend idle timeout in the setting somewhere

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Chiwauwa:

[R]: I've checked but couldn't find it ... maybe I should try again. Thanks.

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[R]:

just make them shut it off

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[R]:

if they dont, dont let them use it

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[R]:

they'll elarn

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Chiwauwa:

[R]: :-)

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[R]:

and if all else fails

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[R]:

do they get allowance

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[R]:

deduct something from it

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tank-man:

"Don't use the tv as a baby sitter" :)

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lsolesen:

I tried setting up the wakeup by acpi using the mythtv wiki guide. Manually it works, but does not seem to work from mythtv. How can I debug this? I tried looking in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log, but does not seem to be any entries trying to call the scripts I generated.

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dekarl_:

lsolesen, when I setup a backend with AXPI wakeup i tested it by letting it go asleep and wake up again (with recordings select so that it sleeps/wakeups soon)

[08:28:06]

lsolesen:

dekarl_: Yeah. But it did not wakeup as I expected.

[08:28:41]

lsolesen:

dekarl_: And it seems that cat /proc/driver/rtc has not set the alarm either. When does mythtv set the alarm?

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dekarl_:

strange, does it work when you call mythshutdown directly?

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lsolesen:

dekarl_: That I have not tried. Right now I am using the instructions under (use these instructions for a dedicated backend system)

[08:41:55]

lsolesen:

And when I shutdown my computer I just use the Ubuntu interface to shut i down.

[08:42:12]

lsolesen:

dekarl_: Should I shut it down in another way?

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dekarl_:

these? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ACPI_Wakeup#Integrate_into_mythTV

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lsolesen:

dekarl_: exactly

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dekarl_:

yes, you must not manually shutdown anything to get what you want

[08:43:28]

lsolesen:

dekarl_: So manually shutdown using?

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lsolesen:

dekarl_: I tried just using sudo shutdown -P now

[08:43:59]

dekarl_:

you want mythtv to decide when and if to shutdown. In the process the wakeup in time for the next scheduled recording will be programmed

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lsolesen:

dekarl_: Ok. So what will the shutdown process of the computer be?

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dekarl_:

you can test if mythtv is idle with "mythshutdown -s; echo $?" if it prints 0, then mythtv considers itself idle

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lsolesen:

dekarl_: Yeah, but how do you shutdown your system? So I can test it?

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dekarl_:

at startup "mythwelcome" gets started which takes care of testing for idle, displaying information about the status and handling the shutdown/wakeup

[08:46:24]

dekarl_:

you can call "mythshutdown --safeshutdown"

[08:46:45]

dekarl_:

(sorry I'm slow, I have to look it up in the background)

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lsolesen:

dekarl_: you are very helpful. Do you use the same settings as http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ACPI_Wakeup#Integrate_into_mythTV

[08:48:28]

lsolesen:

dekarl_: so you will do mythshutdown --safeshutdown and after that shutdown -P now?

[08:48:55]

dekarl_:

I used a different guide from the internet, that was written for mythbuntu if I remember correctly. If you call mythshutdown it will show you more things you can do with it.

[08:49:28]

dekarl_:

no, mythshutdown should do everything on its own. checking, programming the wakeup and shutting down

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lsolesen:

dekarl_: even though I called mythshutdown the alarmtime still has not been set. Looking at it using cat /proc/driver/rtc

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lsolesen:

dekarl_: I will look for a mythbuntu guide.

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dekarl_:

did you follow the section on the wiki, including configuring mythtv to know about the scripts for wakeup configuration and actual shutdown?

[08:52:59]

dekarl_:

If the scripts worked manually, but mythshutdown does not, then it's likely that the connection between the two is not established

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lsolesen:

dekarl_: I put in the values in mythbackend.

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lsolesen:

and the scripts works manually

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lsolesen:

dekarl_: how can I establish the connection?

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dekarl_:

oh man, sorry for wasting your time... the section has 2 parts... a) just configure mythbackend directly, b) configure everything in the backend to go via mythwelcome/mythshutdown... I'm talking about b) and you likely setup a) ...

[09:01:30]

dekarl_:

search for "Mythwelcome is useful" to get to the beginning of that part.

[09:05:57]

lsolesen:

dekarl_: I setup a)

[09:06:52]

lsolesen:

dekarl_: what is mythwelcome exactly?

[09:08:20]

lsolesen:

dekarl_: nevermind. Google is my friend :)

[09:08:21]

dekarl_:

mythwelcome is a tool that allows to mix manual frontend usage with automatic (regarding to turning on/off) backend usage

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lsolesen:

dekarl_: damn. I changed it to using option b), but after doing that it still does not write the alarm. Verified using cat /proc/driver/rtc

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dekarl_:

so you got a) a script to the the alarm called setwakeup.sh and this works? when called with sudo from the mythtv user?

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lsolesen:

dekarl_: I just tried that switching to mythtv user. It works – even though it seems that it always sets the alarm about 5 minutes into the past no matter what number I throw at it? e.g. sudo sh -c "/usr/bin/setwakeup.sh 1200"

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dekarl_:

one sec, I'll lookup the format, it's date+time

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dekarl_:

try yyyy-MM-ddThh:mm:ss

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dekarl_:

or it's seconds since epoch format

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lsolesen:

dekarl_: I am using this script.

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lsolesen:

http://pastebin.com/RakQQRzD

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dekarl_:

ok, so it's the latter

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lsolesen:

yep

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lsolesen:

dekarl_: but the script works.

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lsolesen:

So I have to figure out why myth does not call it :/

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dekarl_:

so it's now "date +%s" add like 60 to that number and see if that makes sense

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lsolesen:

dekarl_: seems that I got mythshutdown --safeshutdown to write the correct time into the bios alarm now. However, when calling mythshutdown it reboots and does not shut down.

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dekarl_:

what have you set for "command to shutdown"? is it "sudo shutdown -h now"?

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lsolesen:

dekarl: sudo shutdown -P now

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lsolesen:

but it is choosing the reboot command from command to reboot

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dekarl_:

what reboot command?

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lsolesen:

command to reboot right above command to shutdown

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lsolesen:

in mythwelcome --setup

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dekarl_:

ok, the wiki is outdated. I have it in the backend too. it's "sudo shutdown -r now"

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lsolesen:

where in the backend?

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dekarl_:

mythwelcome --setup... What does your mythbackend.log tell about the shutdown?

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dekarl_:

there should be some lines with " Running the command to "

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lsolesen:

http://pastebin.com/KJM19JHt

[10:50:07]

dekarl_:

I was looking for http://pastebin.com/UXDig467

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lsolesen:

dekarl_: found a bug. wit one sec

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lsolesen:

dekarl_: hm, it still wants to reboot.

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dekarl_:

hmm

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lsolesen:

dekarl_: I must be doing something basic wrong.

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dekarl_:

how do you test it?

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lsolesen:

dekarl_: mythshutdown --safeshutdown --> wait a few seconds --> sees it reboots instead of shutdown.

[11:04:50]

dekarl_:

just tested mythshutdown --shutdown, it powers off nicely, lets test safeshutdown now

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lsolesen:

dekarl_: Here i what I do. 1) I log into Ubuntu natty using my own user. 2) The mythbackend seems to be started automatically 3) Then I run mythshutdown --safeshutdown (from my own user)

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lsolesen:

dekarl_: mythshutdown --shutdown also wants to call reboot on my system :/

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lsolesen:

dekarl_: I am not running the mythfrontend nor the mythwelcome when I cll mythshutdown.

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dekarl_:

hmm, maybe "sudo shutdown -h now" over here and "-P" over at your config make the difference?

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dekarl_:

but thats not it, I have -P, too

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dekarl_:

(sorry, have to walk over to the console to look at it)

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lsolesen:

dekarl_: nope, i am pretty sure that it simply calls the reboot command instead of shutdown command (however, I will test it). But I think it does that because it says: sh: /sbin/grub-set-default not found; and reboot: need to be root when doing mythshutdown --safeshutdown

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dekarl_:

hmm, the guide says "nvram-wakeup Restart command : (Must be blank)" (but I had grub-set-default there too)

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lsolesen:

i will try to remove that

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lsolesen:

dekarl_: hm, that seemed to do the trick perfectly :/ Sorry for wasting your time. Now I have the box shutdown. And I will wait to see whether it boots up in about five minutes. Let us hope it does :) Actually I do not want to use mythtv as the frontend, but instead xbmc. I should just create a modified version of checklogin.sh so mythshutdown --safeshutdown does not shut down if I am running other programs, right?

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dekarl_:

sounds good

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dekarl_:

will the frontend run on that box? aka combined backend/frontend(but the xbmc instead of mythfrontend) ?

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lsolesen:

yes

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lsolesen:

dekarl_: I only have one computer for this setup.

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dekarl_:

you could use mythwelcome and let that start xbmc (mythfrontend command: xbmc) together with a checkshutdown script that checks for xbmc. mythwelcome will the start xbmc is you manually turned the box on and will not start it if it's automatically booted so it can shutdown again

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dekarl_:

the xbmc configuration should the map the "power button" to just "exit xbmc and let mythwelcome do it's thing"

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lsolesen:

dekarl_: clever. Do you start mythwelcome automatically when booting?

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dekarl_:

I used to, but as the box is not used as a frontend i unchecked "start mythfrontend automatically" as it hurts more then it helps.

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lsolesen:

dekarl_: I was asking for mythwelcome

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dekarl_:

oh

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lsolesen:

dekarl_: hehe :)

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lsolesen:

dekarl_: and what command do you use?

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dekarl_:

indeed, automatic start of X and mythwelcome, via the mythbuntu configuration option :D

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lsolesen:

ah you use mythbuntu – that is right

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lsolesen:

i just use regular ubuntu

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dekarl_:

is this a dedicated mythtv/xbmc box? Might be worth to just convert it into mythbuntu

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lsolesen:

it is pretty much a dedicated bog for mythtv and xbmc

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lsolesen:

but do not want to reinstall again

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lsolesen:

dekarl_: Hi again. Seems that your advice all worked. I am having two problems. 1) Do you have a script that checks whether you are doing anything on the box before it shuts down, or do you just close mythwelcome if you need to do anything 2) you do not know by any chance how to add mythshutdown to both the ubuntu shutdown action and the xbmc.

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lsolesen:

and dekarl_: what is the best practise for deleting some of the mythtv channels (so I only have the channels I actually want to see?) Should I just delete them from the db?

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lsolesen:

dekarl_: and even though i started xbmc from mythwelcome it still shuts down if mythtv is idle.

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dekarl_:

lsolesen: i simply mark them invisible, so they don't clutter the display but still don't get readded on the next channel scan

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lsolesen:

dekarl_: good idea

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dekarl_:

the try mythshutdown --lock and --unlock, which keeps the box running

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dekarl_:

hm, you have a script that checks for a running xbmc process and this script is configured as pre-shutdown-test-script in the mythtvbackend?

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dekarl_:

I use the default "mythshutdown --check"

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iamlindoro:

[23468]

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MythLogBot:

SVN 23468: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/226dc114

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wagnerrp:

lsolesen: started xbmc from mythwelcome?

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wagnerrp:

i didnt think it would do such a thing

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dekarl_:

wagnerpp: I hope I didn't suggest something stupid when I said "if you use xbmc in place of mythfrontend, just set mythfrontend command to xbmc"

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wagnerrp:

i didnt know you could configure mythwelcome to run anything but mythfrontend

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dekarl_:

i see

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lsolesen:

wagnerrp: I started xbmc from mythwelcome

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lsolesen:

just using xbmc -fs --standalone

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lsolesen:

dekarl_: wagnerrp: maybe i should use the whole path to avoid it?

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dekarl_:

it would be nice if mythwelcome kept hold on the started process, so one didn't have to write a custom checkshutdown script just to use another frontend executeable. (but yes, feature reuqest without patch :)

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dekarl_:

lsolesen: use the full path to avoid what?

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wagnerrp:

it would be nice if mythwelcome just went away all together

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wagnerrp:

the only purpose it serves is to allow you to exit mythfrontend, which in turn allows the backend to automatically shut down as it pleases

[16:27:41]

wagnerrp:

it would be much simpler if the frontend just unblocked shutdown and dropped to the main menu when it went idle

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dekarl_:

Sounds like a plan, too.

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wagnerrp:

its a shame CHAOS is being aired out of order

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wagnerrp:

in order, it might actually have a story arc that makes sense

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sphery:

wagnerrp: um, like it's even possible to order chaos... even in trying, you destroy chaos

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** sphery is limping by on a cable Internet connection that's averaging 56kbps **

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iamlindoro:

Spinoff series: Entropy

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** iamlindoro sits back and waits for the checks to come rolling in **

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wagnerrp:

that idea is slowly warming on me

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iamlindoro:

Having Eric Close as a main character is a kiss of death

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iamlindoro:

He's like the He-Glau

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wagnerrp:

cant say ive ever seen any of his stuff

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iamlindoro:

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iamlindoro:

I rest my case ;)

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sphery:

Isn't Brett Harrison the He-Glau?

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wagnerrp:

did breaking in get canned yet?

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

and, speaking of which, his co-star in that is another He-Glau

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** iamlindoro starts sending out the bills for use of the new meme **

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wagnerrp:

slater?

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sphery:

yeah

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ThisNewGuy:

hey all – does anyone know if the new VAAPI code works with the old mac mini (945GM/GMS)

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wagnerrp:

he only killed two shows

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sphery:

iamlindoro: quit being so possessive... There's no me in meme

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wagnerrp:

ThisNewGuy: no, no mac mini ever supported VAAPI

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ThisNewGuy:

doh! – thanks wagnerrp

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, crushing dreams since 1980-something

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wagnerrp:

hey, thats how pythons kill things after all

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** sphery wonders how long it will take to get to the cable co's tech support contact page **

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ThisNewGuy:

any love for the old crystalhd card – BCM70012?

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iamlindoro:

You'd need to ask Broadcom about that

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iamlindoro:

they're the ones with the broken driver

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ThisNewGuy:

doh! – thanks iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

There, now I've done my duty for users of HDHRs everywhere

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: did the old ISO ripping in mythvideo produce encrypted or unencrypted ISOs?

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iamlindoro:

encrypted

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sphery:

it was a UI around a roll-your-own dd equivalent

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sphery:

(well, equivalent in that it just read direct from the device--but not equivalent in terms of flexibility, options, etc.)

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sphery:

and it failed on a ton of "structurally protected" DVDs

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sphery:

as did any other "read the device directly" ripping app

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wagnerrp:

s/structurally protected/broken/

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

they put bad sectors on the discs, but then use the nav packets to ensure those sectors are never read during playback

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sphery:

but that prevents you from just copying the disc

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sphery:

and it does mean it's not a valid DVD, but no DVD player has to know that :)

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sphery:

(well, that's one form of structural protection)

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Shadow__X:

what did you do for HDHR users?

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sphery:

So, why is it that no only do we have to give the user the right answer, but now we have to prove we're right?

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wagnerrp:

?

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sphery:

the days of 2-sentence replies are over

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sphery:

mentioning the ETXTBSY thread... pretty sure the guy is using CIFS/SMB

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wagnerrp:

i could understand file busy, but text busy?

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sphery:

but I had to explain why that's a valid answer because it doesn't fit with the historical meaning of that eno

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wagnerrp:

why would cifs/smb handle text files differently than binary ones

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sphery:

they don't

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sphery:

they co-opted an existing eno rather than create a new one

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wagnerrp:

thats just the closest error code they could find?

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sphery:

well, it says E and BSY, what more do you need

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sphery:

maybe they have a nice backronym for it

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wagnerrp:

ETXTBSYPNY

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iamlindoro:

Watch your language

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sphery:

Error The EXisting Target is BuSY

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sphery:

ok, gotta admit that finding a good backronym for that one is tough

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sphery:

my 'net is too slow to find the cable co's support number

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iamlindoro:

You could ask someone on IRC to do it for you, since that works

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

I'm just going to dig up an old paper bill from back in the day

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sphery:

see, this is why I've been saying that Web 2.0 would be our ruin!

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sphery:

if only web was as bit-thrifty as IRC

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iamlindoro:

curse my paperless ways!

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sphery:

heh, yeah, I've been paperless for years, but have my really old bills, still

[19:21:07]

stuartm:

for most people I know, paperless is anything but because they still print out their bills/statements/etc for their records

[19:22:22]

stuartm:

if anything it's better to keep on receiving paper bills because it's cheaper than all the toner/ink and paper wasted by printing it out at home

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, sphery, #9734 == fixed?

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Shadow__X:

they could just saved the digital copies

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Shadow__X:

and keep it in a safe place

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iamlindoro:

like on the lulzsec servers

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Shadow__X:

best place there is

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Shadow__X:

s/best/safest

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Shadow__X:

any idea what sparked all the recent breakins? it just seems like its one after another

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iamlindoro:

childish starvation for attention

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iamlindoro:

The first one made them famous, so they kept doing it

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Shadow__X:

hmm yeah

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sphery:

what, you mean a group that calls themselves LulzSec isn't a highly professional organisation that's striving to make the world better?

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wagnerrp:

s/better/stranger/

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sphery:

or that some people who are Anonymous-ly causing damage, not to their "targets", but to the people who obtain services through their targets aren't brave people standing up for what they believe in?

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sphery:

hmmm... wait, maybe my expressing my opinions about those idiots is the real reason my network is so slow it's unusable

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sphery:

iamlindoro: I'll look into #9734

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iamlindoro:

cool, thanks

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iamlindoro:

406 tickets... there was a day not that long ago where with a little hard work we had it under 300

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sphery:

we may rework some stuff when we start providing logging info from mythtv program to other mythtv programs it calls

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iamlindoro:

Then again, before the aforementioned hard work, we were above 600 so I guess 400 isn't *that* bad...

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stuartm:

Shadow__X: for a lot of people reading the paper form is a lot easier than scrolling through something on screen, it's a lot easier to lay out several months of paper statements on a table to compare them too etc

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stuartm:

I have to admit I will still print out some things just to read them comfortably

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wagnerrp:

that just means they need a bigger screen... :)

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: a 60" one? ;)

[20:05:05]

wagnerrp:

sure, if that 60" one is actually at 100+ DPI

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Shadow__X:

stuartm: yeah i could see that but really i would go with what wagner suggested.

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wagnerrp:

i would LOVE a large format eink display

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wagnerrp:

like something built into a table

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: ooh yeah!

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wagnerrp:

sit down, drink some oj, eat some breakfast, read the paper built into the table

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wagnerrp:

if only they were a bit more responsive

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stuartm:

actually, e-ink tablets/readers are getting close to what they need to be for a truly paperless world IMHO, but of the ones I've briefly tried none yet make it quite as easy to flip back/forwards between pages as a book for example

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wagnerrp:

well part of that is because they all tend to be slow as balls

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wagnerrp:

i tried to use the browser on the Nook once

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wagnerrp:

boy was that painful

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stuartm:

e.g. a character is mentioned and you've forgotten who they were so you want to keep your current place, flip back a chapter or a few pages to remind yourself

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wagnerrp:

great for battery life but oy!

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mzb:

do the AverMedia F200 or F210 work with mythtv?

[21:01:18]

iamlindoro:

Do they work with linux?

[21:01:22]

iamlindoro:

if so, then yes

[21:01:24]

iamlindoro:

if not, then no

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wagnerrp:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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mzb:

yeah, I was going to ask mythtv/linux ;)

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wagnerrp:

theyre pushing DVB-T2 to australia?

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mzb:

they are both network tuners, fwiw

[21:06:03]

mzb:

yeah?

[21:08:06]

iamlindoro:

mzb, Same question still applies-- we support APIs, so if someone has wrapped it in the DVB API we can use it-- if not, we can't

[21:09:04]

mzb:

let me ask a different question then ... which network attached tuners does mythtv support (other than the HD HomeRun)

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iamlindoro:

The only network attached tuner we directly support is the HDHR

[21:10:34]

iamlindoro:

everything else needs to be wrapped in a supported API, since that's what we support, not devices

[21:10:43]

iamlindoro:

and even the HDHR is a series of devices with a single API

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iamlindoro:

Heh, They called it the "HD HomeFree?"

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iamlindoro:

what a rip off

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mzb:

there's the F200, and now the F210 (which can be had pretty cheap) ... just vaguely tempted, but got better things to spend $ on :)

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lsolesen:

Any of you had experience configuring a remote on ubuntu 11?

[21:50:42]

Shadow__X:

lsolesen: for those questions you should go to ubuntu-mythtv and also to setup remotes you should be able to use mythbuntu control center

[21:53:31]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Red button is MHEG

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iamlindoro:

which we support

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iamlindoro:

This re: mythtvtalk

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mzb:

aahhh ... Kaiser Baas now do the HD Homerun ... guess they bought out Silicon Dust, or something

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iamlindoro:

No, they're just the distributor

[22:02:02]

iamlindoro:

SD is still the manufacturer

[22:02:20]

iamlindoro:

(.au distributor, that is)

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mzb:

hmm

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mzb:

looking at "Kaiser Baas Network Twin TV Tuner for MythTV and HTPC" for $149 (Australian store)

[22:04:52]

iamlindoro:

Right, same old device, just branded with the .au/nz/tas redistributors name

[22:05:06]

mzb:

SiliconDust one is also available here, but looks different

[22:05:51]

iamlindoro:

Feel free to research it yourself, you can read about the arrangement in the SD forums

[22:06:03]

mzb:

ok, thanks

[22:06:24]

iamlindoro:

http://www.silicondust.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9419

[22:06:30]

iamlindoro:

Third post is by SD's CTO and founder

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mzb:

ah ... HDHR vs HDHR3 by the looks of it

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mzb:

^ re different pics

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mzb:

while I'm thinking about this, should I be pulling from 0.24 or fixes/0.24 ?

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mzb:

eg: git clone -b fixes/0.24 git://github.com/MythTV/mythtv.git

[22:12:26]

iamlindoro:

in git, there is only fixes/0.24

[22:12:41]

mzb:

ok

[22:12:55]

mzb:

could have sworn I was pulling a different version before

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mzb:

ah, nope, that's right ... nm ;)

[22:13:50]

** mzb better have coffee #2 **

[22:14:20]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: i remember some discussion a while back where they would have a 'red button' that would program their DVRs to record

[22:14:29]

wagnerrp:

i thought thats what the thread was talking about

[22:15:02]

iamlindoro:

There are recent extensions that would do that kind of thing, but red button itself is 99% what you see in our MHEG engine

[22:15:51]

iamlindoro:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/RedButton

[22:19:54]

wagnerrp:

corrected

[22:20:49]

iamlindoro:

I was just browsing through to see if there were any recent spots where people had run into the HDHR issue, to urge them to update

[22:21:45]

wagnerrp:

in fact, there was one this morning

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iamlindoro:

Heh, just found it

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wagnerrp:

well if we freeze in two weeks, ill be pushing the jobqueue and python 3x stuff back to .26

[22:28:05]

wagnerrp:

the jobqueue stuff is really something that should get several months of usage before release

[22:28:24]

wagnerrp:

and ive been holding the python stuff until sphery's big schema change

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, That's more or less my point-- any of the other pending major changes are months off/months from clearing enough that we could freeze

[22:32:04]

iamlindoro:

So might as well put out a summer release and then not feel rushed

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wagnerrp:

sadly, that means im going to have to fix some of these bugs on the old code rather than just replace them with new bugs in the new code

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iamlindoro:

alas ;)

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wagnerrp:

after all, the whole point of rewrites is because fixing code sucks

[22:33:34]

wagnerrp:

better to scrap it all and restart

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mzb:

HDHR issue?

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** wagnerrp finds it a bit frightening that much of his development on mythtv has been scrap and rewrite **

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mzb:

:)

[22:35:08]

wagnerrp:

yeah, if you used IP addresses to access it, you would only be able to access the first tuner

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mzb:

oh

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mzb:

instead of hostname?

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iamlindoro:

and any attempt to access the second tuner would cause both recordings to fail

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iamlindoro:

instead of device ID

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mzb:

urrgh

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mzb:

deviceID ... upnp?

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iamlindoro:

It's fixed now

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mzb:

oh ... firmware ... ok

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iamlindoro:

firmware?

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mzb:

not firmware?

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mzb:

sanity check: HDHR == HD Homerun

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iamlindoro:

no, a bug in libhdhomerun, which is the API provided by SiliconDust

[22:36:39]

iamlindoro:

yes, HDHR is HDHomeRun

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mzb:

oh ok

[22:37:04]

iamlindoro:

I found the bug and fixed it in both .24 and master, and got SiliconDust to apply it to their upstream copy too

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iamlindoro:

so now all supported branches of myth are fixed, and future resyncs will work too

[22:37:59]

mzb:

I've got enough tuners to do all the multiplexes here ... but only if I have a second BE ... so I figure an HDHR could be a good plan

[22:38:08]

mzb:

nice1

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mzb:

sounds like a recent fix?

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iamlindoro:

yes, this morning

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mzb:

hehe

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mzb:

what's the deviceID ?

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iamlindoro:

The text string is the mac address, but functionally speaking it's a setup via multicast

[22:39:33]

mzb:

and mythtv supports that as well?

[22:39:42]

iamlindoro:

yes, it's the preferred way to configure it

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mzb:

righto

[22:39:52]

iamlindoro:

It's only a detail of how you configure it

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mzb:

k

[22:40:10]

iamlindoro:

you can either configure it by the autodetected deviceID, or you can manually enter an IP address

[22:40:23]

iamlindoro:

The former was working fine, the latter had the bug

[22:40:35]

iamlindoro:

But a large number of people still manage to try it

[22:40:46]

iamlindoro:

But now it should work nicely

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mzb:

k

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mzb:

I'll have to sacrifice a (cheap) air-compressor and/or MIG welder ... but the WAF would be considerable ... and I'm under the impression that they're a good solid box

[22:41:51]

iamlindoro:

yeah, they're very good/popular/well liked

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iamlindoro:

I don't actually own one

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mzb:

if not a bit expensive

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iamlindoro:

~$65 USD per tuner, it's about par for the course here

[22:42:16]

iamlindoro:

maybe more abroad

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mzb:

$149 + post is the cheapest I can find so far ... for the HDHR3

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mzb:

(single aerial socket)

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mzb:

still ... cheaper than either a) running a 2nd machine, or b) finding a board with 4–5 PCI slots, or c) a PCI-e tuner

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mzb:

(not ever going back to USB tuners;))

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iamlindoro:

If you were in the US you could get a HDHR Prime 6, and get 6 tuners in one box :)

[22:44:10]

mzb:

btw, got the new case I was talking about a few weeks ago

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mzb:

hehe

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mzb:

from this: http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/ . . . 14_Tuner.jpg

[22:44:56]

mzb:

to this: http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/ . . . pest_EVO.JPG

[22:45:17]

mzb:

ironically, the cases were the same price ... albeit 10–12 years apart

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iamlindoro:

I can't recall what I paid for my lunch, let alone a case a decade ago

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mzb:

hehe

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mzb:

I remembered it because it was expensive AND 2nd hand

[22:47:43]

mzb:

I can now fit 10 3.5" drives, plus the SSD, and a burner

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mzb:

case cost $104 delivered, and an extra $33 for a Lian Li drive cage (3 x 3.5" in 2 x 5.25" space) [just had to remove the front from it]

[22:49:23]

mzb:

bit expensive for the cage, but included a fan/etc ... and 100x easier than making a mount

[22:49:58]

mzb:

one of the things I like in particular about the case is that it comes with all 6 fans

[22:50:14]

mzb:

managed to break two plastic clips ... but oh well ;)

[22:50:39]

mzb:

plan to block up some of the (unfiltered) vents

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mzb:

much quieter and neater than the old solution ... should be good

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mzb:

I've also acquired an Asus E35M1-M PRO for a pbx, but I'm planning to do a tiny mythfrontend on it (output to a 7" LCD that is also used for monitoring)

[22:53:17]

mzb:

board runs SILENT AND COLD!

[22:53:33]

mzb:

I *assume* I'm going to have some *issues* with the ATI graphics?

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wagnerrp:

depends entirely on whether their drivers want to cooperate

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wagnerrp:

at least with the VAAPI additions to 0.25, theres the hope of HD playback

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mzb:

7" screen is only 480x235 so HD doesn't really matter ;)

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wagnerrp:

sure it does

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wagnerrp:

you dont have control over the digital content you record

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mzb:

at $35 it seemed like a better idea than about the same price for a USB 20x4 character LCD

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wagnerrp:

you get whatever is broadcast

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mzb:

yeah, ok ... I assumed the cpu would have been fast enough to do the heavy lifting, but I guess not

[22:59:43]

mzb:

certainly nicer if the graphics works as advertised ;)

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wagnerrp:

no, you might manage HD mpeg2, but HD mpeg4 is out of the question

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mzb:

that's ok ... HD is all mpeg2 here ... it's only the stuff I've transcoded that's x264

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mzb:

I'll have a go at getting it to work now

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wagnerrp:

you know, when all the 'doesnt work' tickets for mythweb are for lighttpd

[23:31:12]

wagnerrp:

why dont people realize its a better solution to just use apache?

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iamlindoro:

DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO, FASCIST

[23:32:29]

wagnerrp:

right now, apache looks to be taking all of 60MB, and thats only because of the 10 pre-start instances

[23:32:46]

wagnerrp:

standard mythweb usage, you could easily drop that to 4 or so

[23:33:29]

wagnerrp:

past that, its all php usage, and apache or lighttpd isnt going to make any difference in that regard

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iamlindoro:

But I want a fast system, that's why I run Gentoo/Arch/Exherbo/LFS/etc./etc.

[23:39:05]

andreas_:

Hi there, I was wondering if anyone is seeing a memory leak in mythfrontend when using subtibles/closed captions?

[23:40:22]

iamlindoro:

andreas_, What version and revision of mythtv are you running?

[23:41:12]

iamlindoro:

If you're not sure what I'm asking you can pastebin mythfrontend --version

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andreas_:

I complied from master just yesterday, but had this problem on all builds back to Feb' 2011

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iamlindoro:

Then no, not seeing any leak with subs or closed caption

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iamlindoro:

If you think there is a genuine memory leak, you'll need to prove it with valgrind to get any attention

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andreas_:

yeah, i thought so. any idea where I find instructions on how to use valgrrind?

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wagnerrp:

http://valgrind.org/docs/manual/quick-start.h . . . -start.mcrun

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andreas_:

thanks :)

[23:43:53]

andreas_:

I guess I'll report back once I got something to report ;)

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Beirdo:

OK, this is driving me insane

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Beirdo:

previewgen is acting up again

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo, see #mythtv at 15:22

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