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| [00:11:46] | IceWewe: | wagnerrp, digital. The DB repair fixed it. |
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| [01:01:02] | Hilikus: | hey guys |
| [01:01:44] | Hilikus: | when i go to a website using the internal browser I can see flash videos fine, but when i set them to full screen the UI freezes, the video keeps playing in the back, i can hear it, but the image is frozen. is there any way to fix this? |
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| [01:04:28] | sphery: | sounds like situation normal for Flash--it's really inefficient at scaling video on *nix, so your CPU may not be able to keep up; or it may just be the Flash player |
| [01:04:35] | sphery: | have you tried other versions of Flash? |
| [01:05:04] | sphery: | have you tried full-screen playback at the same sites in Firefox or some other browser? |
| [01:05:11] | Hilikus: | no, i thought the opensource version was not updated anymore |
| [01:05:26] | Hilikus: | yes, they work fine in seamonkey |
| [01:05:34] | sphery: | other versions meaning version numbers |
| [01:06:35] | Hilikus: | oh |
| [01:06:45] | Hilikus: | i've had this problem for a bit now |
| [01:07:04] | sphery: | could also be a bad gstreamer/phonon/flash interaction (which seems to cause some issues for me on some sites) |
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| [01:07:06] | Hilikus: | so i'm sure there has been more than one version |
| [01:08:09] | sphery: | anyway, IME, when Flash doesn't work right, there isn't much you can do--this is why proprietary, closed-source software rules |
| [01:08:20] | Hilikus: | :S |
| [01:08:57] | sphery: | as far as mythtv goes, it's just using the Qt-WebKit code--we have no real "browser" code (only code for managing bookmarks and allowing input with remote controls) |
| [01:09:15] | sphery: | so if it is a problem in the code, it's Qt-WebKit code |
| [01:12:44] | Hilikus: | is there any other way to use that same code to test it isolated? like a qt standalone browser |
| [01:13:18] | Hilikus: | i want to know where's the problem cause seamonkey/firefox work fine |
| [01:18:24] | sphery: | If your distro gave you the Qt examples, there's $QTDIR/examples/webkit/fancybrowser/fancybrowser |
| [01:19:40] | Hilikus: | sphery: what about alternative flash players? i found gnash and lightspark. will mythbrowser be able to use them? |
| [01:20:19] | sphery: | though fancybrowser example may not have plugins enabled... |
| [01:20:47] | sphery: | TTBOMK, mythbrowser should be able to use any valid NSAPI plugin |
| [01:21:22] | sphery: | unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be any really useful flash replacements, yet, though |
| [01:24:56] | sphery: | yeah, plugins are definitely disabled on fancybrowser |
| [01:25:37] | Hilikus: | mmm |
| [01:25:51] | sphery: | Hilikus: also, fwiw, you might want to try out MythNetvision for sites that provide video |
| [01:26:18] | Hilikus: | i was thinking of that too, but i would have to write a search or parse script for it |
| [01:26:21] | sphery: | if nothing else, its starting up a new browser page for browser-only video sites may mean that the plugin isn't in a bad state from previous pages |
| [01:26:25] | Hilikus: | how are those played though? |
| [01:27:22] | sphery: | through our player when possible, but for most (because of sites refusing to provide access to the video), by starting a new browser on the proper page |
| [01:27:52] | Hilikus: | but if its the same browser wouldn't the results be the same when i try to fullscreen? |
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| [01:30:42] | sphery: | I'm thinking if flash itself is messed up by what's happened at other sites, that could be causing your problems |
| [01:30:58] | sphery: | so starting a new browser and init'ing the flash plugin fresh could help |
| [01:31:18] | Hilikus: | can i test this without mythnetvision first? |
| [01:31:59] | sphery: | don't know my mythbrowser well enough to help figure out how |
| [01:32:19] | sphery: | but basically just want to go directly to the page in question as soon as possible after starting mythfrontend |
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| [01:33:43] | Hilikus: | i see |
| [01:33:54] | Hilikus: | somehow i doubt that's the problem. but it's worth trying |
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| [01:34:21] | Hilikus: | is there any repository for mythnetvision scripts? i want to make sure one doesn't exist before i write mine |
| [01:34:53] | sphery: | I still think it's Flash that's the problem. :) |
| [01:35:17] | Hilikus: | i think it's some interaction between systems. if it was just flash it wouldn't work in seamonkey |
| [01:35:50] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythNetvision + http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:MythNetvi . . . bber_Scripts + http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythNetvision_Grabber_Script_Format |
| [01:36:00] | sphery: | no, it could well be flash being broken |
| [01:36:17] | Hilikus: | why would it work in seamonkey then? |
| [01:36:40] | sphery: | and it doesn't work in Qt-WebKit because they haven't put in the code that works around the broken Flash plugin that Mozilla put in because they couldn't afford to wait for Adobe to fix their garbage code |
| [01:37:15] | sphery: | that's exactly what was happening for a good year--Adobe was missing a single line of code and it caused Qt WebKit to crash whatever program was using it |
| [01:38:12] | Hilikus: | wow |
| [01:38:29] | sphery: | anyway, as long as theirs is a black box, it's hard to say |
| [01:39:14] | sphery: | but if you do figure it out and can get a fix into Qt code--or even a workaround--that would be great since so much of the web is now based on such a terrible "standard" |
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| [01:39:24] | sphery: | (have you started to figure out I hate Flash :) |
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| [01:44:13] | Hilikus: | hehe |
| [01:44:29] | Hilikus: | hopefully html5 will change all this |
| [01:44:47] | wagnerrp: | no, it wont |
| [01:46:16] | wagnerrp: | html5 does not support drm |
| [01:46:20] | Hilikus: | is there an easy way to send a string to the currently focused item on mythfrontend? i have network control enabled, but i don't know if there a big handshake or if its just 1 command to use it |
| [01:46:22] | wagnerrp: | no... html5 cannot support drm |
| [01:46:31] | wagnerrp: | because html5 is an open standard |
| [01:46:46] | wagnerrp: | and in order to be an open standard, freely usable by anyone |
| [01:46:59] | wagnerrp: | you cannot have any sort of DRM |
| [01:47:01] | Hilikus: | wagnerrp: are youtube videos drm'ed? |
| [01:47:17] | wagnerrp: | youtube and similar is not |
| [01:47:32] | wagnerrp: | so you can have your crappy video clip websites |
| [01:47:42] | wagnerrp: | but stuff like hulu can never be converted to html5 |
| [01:47:43] | Hilikus: | i see, so the problem is tv providers |
| [01:47:49] | wagnerrp: | at least not in the current political environment |
| [01:55:47] | Hilikus: | where are the rss feeds form mythnetvision stored? i don't want to enter them manually through the frontend |
| [01:55:53] | wagnerrp: | i really wish someone in the FCC would grow a pair, and issue a great big F-U- eliminating DRM for consumer use all together |
| [01:56:07] | wagnerrp: | the databse? |
| [01:56:49] | wagnerrp: | you know that thing you really shouldnt go tinkering around in? |
| [01:57:37] | Hilikus: | there's no other way to enter rss feed urls than by typing them by hand then?? |
| [01:57:59] | wagnerrp: | thats the only supported way |
| [01:58:10] | Hilikus: | i thought they would be stored in a text file or something |
| [01:58:27] | Hilikus: | i don't want to manually mess with the db |
| [01:59:08] | wagnerrp: | everything is stored in the database, so its globally accessible to all frontends |
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| [02:05:49] | iamlindoro: | You don't have to enter them by hand, mythfrontend supports copy and paste |
| [02:08:19] | Hilikus: | iamlindoro: i don't browse with my mythtv. i ended up entering by hand :S |
| [02:08:34] | iamlindoro: | ? |
| [02:08:39] | Hilikus: | i think the problem with mythbrowser and flash in my case has something to do with screen resolution |
| [02:08:42] | iamlindoro: | You can cut and paste from *anywhere |
| [02:08:50] | iamlindoro: | ie, cut from any other app, paste into mythfrontend |
| [02:09:18] | Hilikus: | iamlindoro: the source of the text is not in the same machine as the frontend |
| [02:09:30] | Hilikus: | i browse for the url in my desktop |
| [02:09:52] | Hilikus: | i tried telnet but i doesn't let me send a full string |
| [02:10:03] | wagnerrp: | telnet for... what? |
| [02:10:16] | Hilikus: | wagnerrp: to send the url to the frontend |
| [02:10:25] | wagnerrp: | where does telnet come into play? |
| [02:10:59] | Hilikus: | if it let me send a full string i could find the rss feed url in my desktop and send it through telnet to the frontend |
| [02:11:11] | wagnerrp: | yes... telnet... still not understanding |
| [02:12:46] | Hilikus: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html#ss11.5 |
| [02:13:06] | iamlindoro: | Hilikus, His point is that myth's frontend control socket is not telnet, and should not be confused with it |
| [02:13:26] | wagnerrp: | yeah... seems we need to get robert to fix that bit of the documentation |
| [02:13:46] | wagnerrp: | in any case, you should NOT be using the 'telnet' command line application |
| [02:13:58] | wagnerrp: | nor any other telnet client with that socket |
| [02:14:07] | wagnerrp: | and should you want to send a url through it |
| [02:14:24] | wagnerrp: | you would need to do 'key h<enter>key t<enter>key t<enter>...' |
| [02:14:34] | Hilikus: | yeah, that's why it didn't work |
| [02:14:45] | wagnerrp: | which would be extraordinarily tedious |
| [02:14:47] | Hilikus: | my android phone does it though |
| [02:15:15] | Hilikus: | it sends full strings to the frontend, i guess sending char by char |
| [02:17:34] | Hilikus: | one more idea. could i let the video load in mythbrowser and then play the flv file directly using the internal player? |
| [02:18:09] | wagnerrp: | using trickery to let the flash player cache the video and then pull the video out of the cache? |
| [02:18:25] | wagnerrp: | i dont think there would be any way to reliably do that in software |
| [02:18:27] | Hilikus: | exactly |
| [02:18:55] | Hilikus: | cause mythbrowser plays the video fine in window mode, the problem in my case is only fullscreen |
| [02:20:12] | Hilikus: | if the cache is not cleaned as soon as i exit mythbrowser i could add the cache dir to mythvideo and play it from there |
| [02:22:14] | wagnerrp: | assuming the cache stores them as .flvs |
| [02:22:42] | Hilikus: | someone told me it still does. any ideas where is this cache? |
| [02:23:00] | wagnerrp: | opera does, firefox does not |
| [02:23:07] | wagnerrp: | dont know about mythbrowser |
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| [04:39:42] | RomioTango: | alright guys.. new problem for ya. I'm renting a house and need to be able to get my network across rooms with decent enough bandwidth to support mythtv (hopefully 1080p) not using cat cables |
| [04:40:31] | RomioTango: | the only thing i can think of would be to try the ethernet over 120v Tx/Rx system or possibly broadcast the signal over the coax/cable drops? |
| [04:41:23] | [R]: | ethernet over power is kinda werid |
| [04:41:36] | [R]: | i havent heard good things |
| [04:41:39] | RomioTango: | yeah .. i'm not sure how stable it is |
| [04:41:55] | [R]: | some peopel swear by wifi |
| [04:42:02] | RomioTango: | I've considered that |
| [04:42:05] | [R]: | but the devs aren't fan |
| [04:42:06] | [R]: | s |
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| [04:42:51] | [R]: | but 1080p says nothing |
| [04:43:23] | RomioTango: | I have the crazy D-Link 3 channel draftN router |
| [04:43:23] | RomioTango: | wonder if I could get a 3 channel USB adptr for the other boxes.. |
| [04:44:58] | RomioTango: | sorry I think my net was cutting out.. connected via droid so :-\ |
| [04:45:04] | RomioTango: | what all did you post |
| [04:45:19] | [R]: | nothing |
| [04:45:23] | RomioTango: | ohh |
| [04:45:54] | RomioTango: | I'm not sure.. I would love to be able to pull it across wireless but i'm sure as soon as my neighbor fires up his microwave my signal is going to shit |
| [04:48:39] | RomioTango: | [R], what do you think of this |
| [04:48:40] | RomioTango: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 43-_-Product |
| [04:49:12] | RomioTango: | I wonder if that'd interfere with my cable signal lol |
| [04:49:16] | [R]: | of course it would |
| [04:49:56] | [R]: | even if it didnt |
| [04:50:02] | [R]: | i wouldn't want my ethernet leaking out to my neighbors |
| [04:50:26] | RomioTango: | well they'd need to have an Rx device to get to it |
| [04:50:43] | RomioTango: | and even at that I have my router locked down not to accept new mac addresses |
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| [04:50:54] | [R]: | for wired? |
| [04:51:00] | RomioTango: | all |
| [04:51:14] | [R]: | what kind of million dollar router do yo uhave? |
| [04:51:28] | [R]: | i've never seen any router with wired mac access lists |
| [04:51:37] | [R]: | and btw, you do know that mac access is pointless right? |
| [04:51:47] | RomioTango: | let me find it for you |
| [04:54:37] | tonyb: | I have a simple problem. When I try to watch LiveTV Myth (0.24) locks up. It's trying to display a HD channel. I can't use the interface to change to another station. I'd like force mythtv to start on a different station (to see if the lockup are related to the station being HD). I tried changing the DefaultChannel but that didn't help. Any pointers? |
| [04:55:40] | [R]: | what do you mean it locks up? |
| [04:56:03] | [R]: | what "DefaultChannel" did you change? |
| [04:56:29] | RomioTango: | [R], here you go http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833127243 |
| [04:56:30] | RomioTango: | tonyb, "Y" should change your input .. if you hit it quick enough it may work |
| [04:56:48] | tonyb: | [R]: I get some OSD showing the program title etc but no video or audio. |
| [04:56:52] | RomioTango: | [R], I'm assuming he's referring to the default channel set with the input settings in the backend setup |
| [04:57:18] | tonyb: | [R]: The machine it self is still fine. I can ping it and ssh in |
| [04:57:19] | RomioTango: | sounds like a mis-configured tuning device |
| [04:57:39] | [R]: | tonyb: what does the output of mythfrontend say? what do the logs of the backend say |
| [04:57:40] | tonyb: | but AFAICT the only thing I can do is kill the mythfrontend |
| [04:59:41] | tonyb: | RomioTango: I can record all stations on all tuners. but I can't watch Live TV |
| [05:00:05] | tonyb: | [R]: There is nothing "interesting" in the bakend logs at the default log level |
| [05:00:42] | tonyb: | [R]: Nor in the frontend |
| [05:01:05] | RomioTango: | read the logs.. what are the specs on the FE that keeps freezing |
| [05:01:05] | RomioTango: | wait.. |
| [05:01:05] | RomioTango: | can you watch recorded HD content? |
| [05:01:22] | tonyb: | [R]: I'm happy to up the logging but I don't know what the log :) |
| [05:01:31] | tonyb: | RomioTango: yes |
| [05:01:52] | tonyb: | RomioTango: yes .. I can record the same station that causes the problem with LiveTV |
| [05:02:08] | tonyb: | RomioTango: Yes. I can watch the recorded content |
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| [05:03:06] | RomioTango: | tonyb, is your system lower spec? maybe it can't handle the load of recording and viewing a the same time? |
| [05:04:17] | tonyb: | RomioTango: I don't know what counts as lower spec it's a core2 @ 1.8Ghz |
| [05:04:34] | RomioTango: | graphix.. |
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| [05:04:50] | tonyb: | RomioTango: inbuilt intel graphics |
| [05:05:15] | tonyb: | RomioTango: Intel Corporation 82G965 Integrated Graphics Controller |
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| [05:06:22] | RomioTango: | ewww |
| [05:06:58] | RomioTango: | Have you checked that card out on the mythtv wiki? |
| [05:07:11] | RomioTango: | I'm not sure what its capabilities / limitations are |
| [05:07:19] | RomioTango: | also what is your tuning device? |
| [05:07:22] | tonyb: | RomioTango: No I haven't |
| [05:07:30] | tonyb: | RomioTango: I'll do that. |
| [05:08:40] | tonyb: | RomioTango: I don't recall the tuners I have but they're CX23880's under the hood, perhaps a Leadtek 1000DTV |
| [05:09:36] | RomioTango: | you may simply be overloading your system |
| [05:09:37] | RomioTango: | esp given an integrated graphics |
| [05:09:37] | RomioTango: | I tried to do the same thing when I built my MBE/FE box |
| [05:09:38] | RomioTango: | ended up getting the Nvidia 430.. passive cooled .. the thing is AMAZING |
| [05:09:38] | RomioTango: | I'd highly suggest that card if need be |
| [05:10:15] | RomioTango: | you'd have to look to see if that is a hardware encoding or software |
| [05:10:40] | tonyb: | RomioTango: thanks. I'll look into that. |
| [05:10:51] | RomioTango: | I'm just spitting you ideas as I'm currently researching a solution for a problem I have.. sorry I can't help more :-\ |
| [05:11:16] | tonyb: | RomioTango: in the meantime any idea how to force the LiveTV to start on a different channel? |
| [05:13:05] | RomioTango: | I'm researching as to whether or not ethernet over coax is a viable solution for my problem and I think it just may be |
| [05:13:06] | RomioTango: | should be able to set that in the backend settings under the input settings |
| [05:13:27] | RomioTango: | could always delete out all of the channels but an SD channel from that device.. i've done that before in trouble shooting |
| [05:15:12] | tonyb: | RomioTango: Thanks I'll try both of those options when I'm at home. |
| [05:16:30] | RomioTango: | No problem man.. I know what a pain it is to get myth up and running |
| [05:16:30] | RomioTango: | a week after you get it working you'll completely forget what a pain it was lol |
| [05:17:39] | tonyb: | RomioTango: Well this was all working great until I upgraded my linux distro. |
| [05:17:56] | RomioTango: | ohhh |
| [05:18:06] | RomioTango: | so all this hardware worked before? |
| [05:18:06] | tonyb: | I don't know it it was a system (kernel etc) upgrade or the change from 0.23 to 0.24 that caused this problem :( |
| [05:18:12] | tonyb: | yes. |
| [05:18:34] | RomioTango: | I'd investigate which graphix driver your using vs what you used b4 |
| [05:18:48] | tonyb: | RomioTango: but it's a much newer kernel on the box so the DRM/X.org combo is very different. |
| [05:18:59] | RomioTango: | and also.. consider doing a re-install |
| [05:19:26] | RomioTango: | yeah true I forgot the jump.. |
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| [05:24:11] | tonyb: | RomioTango: Thanks for you help. I may be back with more questions tomorrow if I don't make progress. Good luck ethernet over coax research. I assume you're talking about more than just plain 10baseT networking ... |
| [05:26:17] | RomioTango: | tonyb, no prob.. I'll need at least enough bandwidth to handle 1080p over the lines |
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| [05:53:46] | bumblebeebat_: | Hey guys, is it possible to lock the mythvideo collection so you have to enter a password. I found some parental controls but nothing to lock a library |
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| [06:16:34] | hoolio: | bumblebeebat_, what's in your library exactly? ;) |
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| [06:44:11] | bumblebeebat_: | hoolio, nothing really, just having some nosey friends house sit, I wanted to have the tv work but not the rest of the media |
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| [06:44:56] | bumblebeebat_: | I suppose it is no biggie really, I was just curious if it was possible |
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| [08:24:10] | lapion: | hello, I have this problem when changing between analog channels on "live" tv, both on a remote client as on a local client I get "Error opening jump program file", however this doesn't happen when I switch from analog to digital and back. |
| [08:29:06] | lapion: | I am using mythfrontend version: 0.24.1-13-g1be38ea locally and 0.24-243-g9ba3ece remotely, on the the backend version is: v0.24.1-13-g1be38ea |
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| [13:18:31] | wagnerrp: | sphery: seems the problem that user has was #2 |
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| [13:34:59] | sphery: | the left-over SGs? yeah. |
| [13:35:19] | sphery: | just hoping he'll fix it the right way, rather than direct db editing |
| [13:38:50] | wagnerrp: | well thats always the hope |
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| [14:13:38] | skd5aner: | hola |
| [14:14:02] | ** skd5aner is proud to announce he is now a Dad ** | |
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| [14:15:33] | sid3windr: | congrats |
| [14:16:18] | skd5aner: | sid3windr: ty :) |
| [14:16:33] | sphery: | skd5aner: congrats! |
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| [14:18:46] | skd5aner: | sphery: thanks |
| [14:19:06] | skd5aner: | it's been an interesting 2 weeks |
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| [14:21:26] | iamlindoro: | wow, congrats |
| [14:22:43] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: ty sir |
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| [14:24:14] | skd5aner: | had to join the club – seems all the devs were doing it |
| [14:24:20] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro is next |
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| [14:24:35] | iamlindoro: | Good god I hope not |
| [14:24:56] | skd5aner: | I predict a March birthday for your child ;) |
| [14:26:06] | skd5aner: | Also – have had lots of family staying here over the last few weeks – which means they've found every way to crash my mythtv systems |
| [14:26:34] | iamlindoro: | funnnnnn |
| [14:27:00] | skd5aner: | I've got about 3 bug reports to submit, 2 segfaults with backtraces and 1 issue playing back iso's via storage groups that were made with DVD Shrink (play back fine via NFS, other players, and are not encrypted) |
| [14:27:08] | sphery: | heh--as long as they're not borking schedules or crashing the backend when it's trying to record :) |
| [14:27:28] | skd5aner: | The backend did crash last night, but I honestly have no idea why/how that happened |
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| [14:27:43] | sphery: | that's not fun |
| [14:28:33] | skd5aner: | yea, the ISO one is the most annoying actually – for whatever reason, mythtv won't play back an iso made with DVD shrink via storage groups |
| [14:28:52] | skd5aner: | that's probably 65% of my rips :( |
| [14:29:35] | skd5aner: | Did a little googling, seems a mythbuntu user submitted a launchpad bug report with the same issue – https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+bug/715548 |
| [14:30:34] | skd5aner: | My mother-in-law wanted to watch some movies to occupy her time (which I was all for giving her a distraction), and she was like "none of the movies work" – needless to say, between that and live tv, she kind of hates the concept of MythTV |
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| [14:31:11] | iamlindoro: | It's not MythTV's fault, she should blame her no good son in law |
| [14:31:12] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [14:31:31] | iamlindoro: | I said he was no good when he first turned up |
| [14:31:34] | iamlindoro: | but nobody listened |
| [14:31:52] | skd5aner: | I'm sure she does... just another thing on her "checklist of faults with my son-in-law (none of which are anything more than my skewed perception)" list |
| [14:32:05] | iamlindoro: | I like her already! |
| [14:32:05] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [14:32:22] | skd5aner: | this is a woman who doesn't have a debit card... |
| [14:32:28] | skd5aner: | she still has an ATM card |
| [14:32:36] | skd5aner: | yes, aparently, the still make those |
| [14:32:42] | skd5aner: | s/the/they |
| [14:32:43] | iamlindoro: | Wouldn't want to get sent to debiters prison |
| [14:32:55] | skd5aner: | nor does she have a cell phone |
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| [14:33:32] | skd5aner: | anyway – I don't believe this is the appropriate forum to rant about my mother-in-law |
| [14:33:52] | iamlindoro: | haha |
| [14:33:54] | skd5aner: | Although I'm 100% certain that she'd never find out about it... that would take knowledge of using a computer, let alone the internet |
| [14:34:53] | skd5aner: | My gift to her this last Christmas was a netbook – she loves her some spider solitare now and has only gotten infected with malware 3 times! |
| [14:35:05] | skd5aner: | hip hip HORRAY! |
| [14:35:22] | iamlindoro: | Need to get her a mac |
| [14:35:46] | skd5aner: | like I'm made of money to be giving away macs to in-laws |
| [14:35:54] | iamlindoro: | That's how we solved the issue for my grandmother |
| [14:36:00] | sphery: | I hear Macs are immune from viruses and worms and trojans |
| [14:36:05] | iamlindoro: | More up-front cost, less down-the-road cost |
| [14:36:11] | skd5aner: | I hardly want to pay the apple tax for myself |
| [14:36:30] | skd5aner: | maybe I could give her my 7 year old g4 powerbook |
| [14:36:55] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Of course they're not, but they're a much less exploited target, and the UI design helps to prevent people from screwing themselves, which is usually the bigger problem |
| [14:37:15] | sphery: | yeah, in truth, I don't see Mac OS X becoming much of a target |
| [14:37:17] | skd5aner: | I saw a few weeks ago about a fake virus program that was making it's way around OS X |
| [14:37:21] | sphery: | now iOS and Android... |
| [14:37:24] | sphery: | that's a different story |
| [14:38:39] | skd5aner: | so, has anyone fixed my iso issue yet? It's been 10 minutes since I've mentioned it and I've yet to submit an actual bug report |
| [14:38:40] | sphery: | imagine all the things people want to do on their iPhones/Androids, and then think about how lucrative exploiting the phone OS could be... With people doing banking and purchasing and even tax returns on their phones, now. |
| [14:39:05] | skd5aner: | mobile payments... once that becomes a bit bigger, it'll be a HUGE target |
| [14:39:20] | sphery: | yeah |
| [14:39:48] | sphery: | skd5aner: I have a fix for the ISO issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/myt . . . 8/comments/2 |
| [14:39:53] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: upgrade to master and try again |
| [14:39:56] | iamlindoro: | Oh, you've tried that? |
| [14:40:02] | iamlindoro: | In that case, upgrade to CURRENT master and try again |
| [14:40:05] | iamlindoro: | oh, you did? |
| [14:40:09] | iamlindoro: | Oh wait, do it again |
| [14:40:13] | sphery: | quick, commit something! |
| [14:40:13] | iamlindoro: | see, we have tricks too |
| [14:40:51] | sphery: | there goes iamlindoro turning tricks in #mythtv-users, again... :) |
| [14:41:03] | skd5aner: | that's what I'm talkin' bout! |
| [14:41:04] | iamlindoro: | No kissing on the lips |
| [14:41:04] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [14:41:09] | sphery: | heh |
| [14:41:21] | skd5aner: | there's no sex in the #mythtv-users room |
| [14:42:32] | ** iamlindoro is touching all sorts of code he shouldn't be this week ** | |
| [14:42:38] | iamlindoro: | inappropriate touching |
| [14:44:12] | skd5aner: | I'm sorry code, show me on the timeline where the bad dev is touching you |
| [14:45:11] | iamlindoro: | Right here, at the tip |
| [15:02:04] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: simple solution, buy them a Windows PC, set them up with a limited user account, dont give them the administrator password |
| [15:03:02] | iamlindoro: | Which doesn't solve the issue of the thousands of threats that don't need admin access/exploit a vulnerability to gain admin access |
| [15:03:31] | wagnerrp: | worked well enough for my grandma's computer |
| [15:03:36] | iamlindoro: | I am a bigger fan of the "buy mac, there is no step two" approach :) |
| [15:10:06] | skd5aner: | what happens when a step 2 is needed for a mac? http://www.macworld.com/article/156738/2010/1 . . . src=rss_main |
| [15:10:35] | wagnerrp: | you have to learn how to administer a mac too |
| [15:10:35] | skd5aner: | http://www.macworld.com/article/159595/2011/0 . . . n_horse.html |
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| [15:18:17] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Maybe I take it for granted since I already know how, but I haven't been there in two yers and she's never had an issue |
| [15:18:39] | skd5aner: | well... if you haven't seen it in 2 years, how do you know? ;) |
| [15:19:10] | skd5aner: | I mean... when I visit people and use their computer, more often than not I spot bad stuff (granted, I'm talking about windows machines) |
| [15:19:31] | skd5aner: | almost all of them are clueless that they have an issue |
| [15:19:34] | iamlindoro: | If she's running and not calling me, that's good enough |
| [15:19:54] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: im talking about this point forward |
| [15:20:06] | wagnerrp: | now that real stuff is starting to surface in the wild |
| [15:20:13] | wagnerrp: | without the need for users to do stupid things |
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| [16:00:15] | sphery: | but, skd5aner, if we have a component for it, it might give the wrong impression--that we actually care about Live TV |
| [16:00:29] | sphery: | (joke... we do care about it, but everyone says we don't) |
| [16:00:29] | ** skd5aner grumbles ** | |
| [16:00:50] | skd5aner: | yea, I know... |
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| [16:01:22] | skd5aner: | I was just thinking, it might be helpful to sort out the Live TV tickets and easily see where the pain points are rather than lumping them in with video playback... just thinking out loud |
| [16:02:03] | skd5aner: | I'm about to hit submit on a ticket where I get a segfault launching Live TV, but "video playback" is the best option right now |
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| [16:02:09] | wagnerrp: | well its either going to be a problem with playback, or recording |
| [16:02:17] | wagnerrp: | few problems are going to be in the connecting glue |
| [16:02:33] | wagnerrp: | rather just 'feature bugs' where people dont like how the connecting glue behaves |
| [16:02:43] | wagnerrp: | i.e. channel changing between cards |
| [16:03:24] | skd5aner: | but would "video playback" be the correct category if there's abug involved in channel changing? |
| [16:03:37] | wagnerrp: | that would be part of recording |
| [16:03:56] | skd5aner: | maybe to the devs, bu from a UX perspective I wouldn't say so |
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| [16:06:13] | fbnts: | Hi, my backend does not seem to have the jamu script installed. Acording to the wiki page it comes with mythtv > 0.22 |
| [16:06:15] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: I attached the version info as a file... you are welcome |
| [16:06:23] | fbnts: | what ubuntu package is it in? |
| [16:06:25] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [16:06:31] | skd5aner: | fbnts: it's not "installed" unless mythvideo is installed |
| [16:06:40] | skd5aner: | it is distributed with mythvideo |
| [16:06:54] | wagnerrp: | presuming youre running something prior to 0.25 |
| [16:06:58] | skd5aner: | also, for 0.24, it's deprecated... still useful |
| [16:07:10] | skd5aner: | but a lot of meta data can be retrived for movies without it |
| [16:07:23] | wagnerrp: | well, its still useful for recordings |
| [16:07:27] | skd5aner: | yes |
| [16:07:53] | fbnts: | oh ok, I don't have mythvideo on the backend as I don't have mythfrontend package installed. |
| [16:08:31] | skd5aner: | yup, it doesn't necessarily require mythvideo or mythfrontend to run the jamu script, but that's where it's packaged |
| [16:08:32] | fbnts: | I have renamed a load of my video files so that they can be updated easily from the tmdb |
| [16:08:56] | tgm4883: | is it in mythvideo? I thought it was in the mythtv-backend package |
| [16:08:58] | skd5aner: | 0.24 mythvideo can grab meta data using the file names |
| [16:09:26] | skd5aner: | tgm4883: well, I'm referring to where it is in the source tree on git, not necessarily how mythbuntu packagers distribute it... it could be in that package |
| [16:09:30] | skd5aner: | my appologies if it is |
| [16:09:33] | fbnts: | yep but on the frontend when I press 'M' and scan for changes its still listing the old file titles |
| [16:09:47] | skd5aner: | lunch is hear – later |
| [16:09:50] | skd5aner: | er, here |
| [16:10:01] | fbnts: | its not in mythtvbackend as i have that installed already |
| [16:11:33] | tgm4883: | yep it's in mythvideo |
| [16:11:40] | tgm4883: | in natty anyway |
| [16:14:01] | tgm4883: | fbnts, are you using mythbuntu-repos to keep up to date? |
| [16:14:29] | tgm4883: | Cause it actually might be in mythtv-common |
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| [16:14:59] | tgm4883: | is jamu in mythtv/metadata |
| [16:15:34] | wagnerrp: | its in mythplugins/mythvideo/mythvideo/scripts/jamu.py |
| [16:15:37] | wagnerrp: | (in 0.24) |
| [16:15:46] | wagnerrp: | moved elsewhere in 0.25, but i dont know where off hand |
| [16:16:20] | tgm4883: | ah ok |
| [16:16:33] | tgm4883: | so yea it's in the mythvideo package for 0.24 then on Ubuntu |
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| [16:24:12] | fbnts: | tgm4883: Yes using mythbuntu-repos |
| [16:24:28] | fbnts: | I have got the script from my myth frontend |
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| [16:25:07] | fbnts: | but its not actually what I want. I have updated the title etc in the mythtv database and refreshed the front end but its still show the old filenames!? |
| [16:25:31] | wagnerrp: | yes, because mythvideo hashes all content |
| [16:25:44] | wagnerrp: | specifically so that if you rename your content, it keeps the existing metadata |
| [16:26:53] | fbnts: | ah, is there a way to get it to refresh it? |
| [16:27:12] | wagnerrp: | move the content elsewhere, scan, move the content back in, rescan |
| [16:28:09] | fbnts: | just found that if I select the video, press I, Change Video Details, Reset Details it works. Then all I need to do is press W and its pulled the metadata and images! |
| [16:28:33] | wagnerrp: | yes, but you have to reset details on every single one of your videos |
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| [16:57:48] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I still don't get why users post their roll-your-own scripts for deleting orphaned recordings |
| [16:58:27] | wagnerrp: | what thread? |
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| [16:58:57] | wagnerrp: | nevermind |
| [16:59:04] | sphery: | [mythtv-users] Cleanup recordings not in database |
| [16:59:10] | wagnerrp: | yeah, found it |
| [16:59:17] | sphery: | yeah, the one I (and Chris) just posted links to find_orphans.py on :) |
| [16:59:41] | wagnerrp: | i still don't get why users still insist on writing bash scripts for complex data manipulation tasks |
| [16:59:48] | sphery: | it's doing manual delete of files and his "for completeness" does manual DB edits |
| [16:59:53] | sphery: | no joke |
| [17:00:20] | sphery: | anyway, I'll just have to get switched to the new schema so all those old scripts will break |
| [17:03:10] | wagnerrp: | sphery: PIP is disabled in 0.24, right? |
| [17:03:34] | sphery: | it's been re-enabled |
| [17:03:48] | sphery: | it is, after all 0.24-unstable-development |
| [17:03:53] | sphery: | oh, wait, it was 0.24-fixes |
| [17:04:08] | sphery: | but it is in current -fixes |
| [17:04:24] | wagnerrp: | im struggling to explain to some guy on mythtvtalk that he should _not_ be using mythtv as a means of adding PIP to his father's tv |
| [17:04:31] | sphery: | heh |
| [17:04:44] | sphery: | I have /never/ understood the draw of PIP or PBP |
| [17:04:50] | wagnerrp: | B? |
| [17:04:55] | sphery: | seems stupid--you're not watching either program |
| [17:05:02] | sphery: | picture by picture |
| [17:05:09] | sphery: | (2x 4:3 shows side by side) |
| [17:05:18] | sphery: | on a widescreen monitor |
| [17:05:51] | sphery: | with mythtv is makes /so/ much more sense to just record both and watch them each individually |
| [17:06:04] | sphery: | unless you don't really want to watch one, in which case, why are you trying to do pip/pbp |
| [17:06:53] | wagnerrp: | and that will do two live tv sessions at the same time? |
| [17:06:56] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9543#comment:7 |
| [17:07:01] | wagnerrp: | not just one live tv session, and one recording? |
| [17:07:07] | sphery: | ttbomk, yep |
| [17:07:21] | sphery: | if you have multiple tuners |
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| [17:19:08] | skd5aner: | I like how DirecTV receivers have the PBP channels... so you can watch 6 sports channels at once (highlighting the one you want sound on) and then you can see what's going on in multiple games/sports and flip between the action |
| [17:19:14] | skd5aner: | there are use cases that make more sense than ohers |
| [17:19:32] | skd5aner: | not sure you'd want to use it watch something like primetime TV shows in PBP |
| [17:20:01] | skd5aner: | maybe you'd want to watch a live weather radar during a bad thunderstorm while actually watching a show you care about using PBP/PIP |
| [17:23:16] | sphery: | skd5aner: actually, I have no desire to watch live weather radar and commentary during a bad thunderstorm or hurricane, while actually watching a show I care about--unfortunately, I don't have a choice because the local broadcasters break into the show and either devote 3/4 of the screen to their weather center or give it 100% |
| [17:23:22] | skd5aner: | this is what I was referencing – http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentP . . . etId=1200065 |
| [17:23:48] | skd5aner: | sphery: you might want to watch a a recorded show next to the live radar |
| [17:24:02] | JEDIDIAH__: | the whole live weather thing is why I would use livetv if it worked better. not a compelling use case for PIP though. |
| [17:24:08] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt mind some sort of mythweather widget mode |
| [17:24:09] | sphery: | I still think it's better to record them all and use the jump program bindings to switch between them if really want to know what's happening "right now" |
| [17:24:29] | sphery: | same with weather or news... record it and jump to the recording |
| [17:24:32] | skd5aner: | I'm just making up scenarios on the top of my head, not necessarily defending them |
| [17:24:33] | wagnerrp: | have it poll NOAA warnings on short intervals |
| [17:24:40] | JEDIDIAH__: | a ticker would be a very cool thing. |
| [17:24:44] | sphery: | the chances that you'll actually notice when the good parts are while in the middle of a show you care about are slim |
| [17:24:47] | wagnerrp: | and pop up a widget upon announcement of severe weather |
| [17:25:07] | sphery: | and if you're recording them all, you can jump between them and rewind, skip forward, play at high timestretch, ... |
| [17:25:11] | lapion: | Is it normal that files disappear if there is not enough space to transcode them ? |
| [17:25:28] | wagnerrp: | no, that should not happen |
| [17:25:39] | JEDIDIAH__: | what about the original expiring? |
| [17:25:46] | lapion: | well it hapened today |
| [17:25:50] | sphery: | lapion: if you have a recording in progress and your file system is filled, recordings will be expired |
| [17:25:52] | wagnerrp: | of course the default autoexpire limit is 10GB |
| [17:26:00] | skd5aner: | I don't know – I've not used PIP/PBP ever on MythTV... but I wouldn't say that I don't understand why it couldn't be useful in certain circumstance |
| [17:26:01] | wagnerrp: | your transcoded file was over 10GB? |
| [17:26:02] | lapion: | nope I do not set docs for expiring |
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| [17:26:30] | sphery: | wagnerrp: default for "Extra disk space (GB)" is 1GB |
| [17:26:37] | sphery: | (technically, 1GiB) |
| [17:26:40] | JEDIDIAH__: | creating a tiny recording drive by mistake can be very interesting. |
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| [17:26:45] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: well this discussion started because someone wants to set up a mythtv box for the sole purpose of providing PIP, since their TV does not do so itself |
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| [17:27:04] | sphery: | "docs for expiring"? |
| [17:27:23] | lapion: | well the log file says there was not enough space for the tmp file while transcoding, however the system continued, and later when the transcode was finished, it was discarded probably |
| [17:27:30] | skd5aner: | If myth was more multitasking friendly, I could see where PIP would be nice for web browsing in the main window and watching video in the inserted picture, but again – not something I really want to be doing that often |
| [17:27:57] | sphery: | lapion: you mean the transcoding failed, but it replaced the recording with the empty/broken file created by transcoding? |
| [17:28:08] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: ah... gotcha |
| [17:28:21] | lapion: | well sort off, it got replaced by a nopn existant file |
| [17:28:37] | sphery: | ok, so, mythtranscode "TRASHES" file? |
| [17:28:51] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/481005#481005 |
| [17:29:03] | lapion: | let get the log lines.. |
| [17:29:16] | sphery: | (the "TRASHES" being a reference to a thread where a user over-reacted about exactly this) |
| [17:29:24] | sphery: | lapion: you're using Ubuntu, right? |
| [17:30:41] | sphery: | lapion: Pretty sure the problem is just that mythtranscode failed and your distro has system libs that meant that the failure wasn't properly reported |
| [17:30:51] | sphery: | do mythtranscode thought all was well, so it put what it created in place |
| [17:31:10] | sphery: | so as long as you use a broken distro, you need to enable the setting I mentioned in the linked post |
| [17:31:21] | sphery: | and, really, anyone who transcodes /should/ always enable that setting |
| [17:31:31] | sphery: | not doing so is asking for exactly the result you saw |
| [17:31:36] | lapion: | ok sphery |
| [17:31:44] | sphery: | is it Ubuntu? |
| [17:32:27] | sphery: | and, FWIW, why we don't enable the setting by default: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/481013#481013 |
| [17:33:01] | sphery: | (starting with "As far as what seems to be your primary concern..." |
| [17:33:54] | lapion: | yes sphery it is ubuntu |
| [17:34:42] | lapion: | but still maybe either mythtranscode or mythtv should check the resulting file before deleting ? |
| [17:34:51] | sphery: | lapion: then that's almost definitely what happened... Beirdo had noticed that on (at least some versions of Ubuntu), the libc code packs the exit status incorrectly, so when mythtranscode dies, we don't realize it died |
| [17:35:13] | sphery: | lapion: the hard part with that is determining what to consider a valid file |
| [17:35:57] | lapion: | do you know if this problem is also in natty ? and if the v4l2 problems with natty have been solved ? |
| [17:35:59] | sphery: | your eyes/brain can do it in seconds... for code, though, it's much harder--and if we "promise" to protect the users who don't enable the setting to keep old recordings after transcoding, then any mistakes we make are our fault |
| [17:36:27] | sphery: | so really, the best idea is to set it to keep the recording, then delete it manually (delete the *.old file) after you've verified success |
| [17:36:54] | sphery: | Don't know for sure about 11.04... I'm pretty sure it existed on 10.04 and/or 10.10 |
| [17:37:33] | sphery: | 11.04 repos ( http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos ) now has a proper fix for the kernel's V4L1 removal in the 0.24-fixes branch |
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| [17:39:16] | lapion: | I am also having problems switching between analog channels, I alllways have to switch to a digital channel before I go to different analog channel |
| [17:39:40] | lapion: | sphery, that's either on remote or local client |
| [17:40:07] | sphery: | Beirdo: lapion's issue + http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9801 = the Ubuntu exit status borkage thing? |
| [17:40:27] | sphery: | lapion: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9177 |
| [17:40:48] | sphery: | those two tickets are both of the problems you've mentioned... neither is fixed, yet |
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| [17:41:57] | lapion: | well I was transcoding mpeg2 |
| [17:42:49] | lapion: | sphery, my problem is quite the opposite |
| [17:43:02] | lapion: | I can change between analog and digital, |
| [17:44:32] | lapion: | sphery, however I cannot change from one analog to another analog |
| [17:44:49] | lapion: | I allways have to have a digital channel in between.. |
| [17:45:02] | Beirdo: | sphery: I'll take a look, I guess |
| [17:45:03] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [17:45:08] | Beirdo: | we are in a break |
| [17:45:38] | sphery: | Beirdo: I asked the user on #9801 if it's *buntu... so until we find out for sure, probably can't do anything, yet |
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| [17:46:28] | sphery: | and lapion's issue is the same thing--exact same result, where a borked/empty file was put in place of the recording as if we didn't realize mythtranscode failed--and he confirmed it's *buntu |
| [17:46:39] | sphery: | Beirdo: which version of *buntu were you using when you noticed it? |
| [17:46:43] | sphery: | was it 10.04 or 10.10? |
| [17:47:09] | sphery: | lapion: pretty sure it's the same issue--it's the switching from one card type to the next that seems to cause it |
| [17:47:36] | lapion: | in my case it's 10.10 with myth-ppa |
| [17:48:05] | lapion: | sphery, I have no problems switching between cards, it's when I change channels on the same card I egt the problem |
| [17:48:09] | sphery: | or, actually, I should say, "I think there's a problem with the analog tuning side, which had some major changes before 0.24") |
| [17:48:25] | sphery: | right |
| [17:48:28] | sphery: | still analog tuning involved |
| [17:48:52] | lapion: | If I change form analog to digital back to analog I have no problem... |
| [17:49:31] | Beirdo: | 10.04 |
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| [17:49:51] | sphery: | hmmm... I'm guessing 10.10 has the same issue |
| [17:49:57] | sphery: | wonder if it's the eglibc that's borking it |
| [17:51:09] | Beirdo: | I'm thinking it is |
| [17:51:25] | Beirdo: | but I can't really look into it much right now |
| [17:51:31] | sphery: | yeah |
| [17:51:57] | sphery: | more than anything, I'd like to be able to close it as worksforme and point to the libs failure |
| [17:52:10] | sphery: | so just thought I'd mention it and see if it all makes sense |
| [17:52:45] | sphery: | but thinking we just don't find out that mythtranscode crashed or whatever, and end up just deleting the recording because we think all is well |
| [17:53:12] | Beirdo: | remind me this evening, and I'll take a good look at it again |
| [17:53:24] | sphery: | cool, sounds good |
| [17:54:30] | sphery: | perhaps when you get home, you can run a test transcode on your system with the hack-patch you have that makes us interpret the borked status codes correctly and then re-run without and see if the run without deletes the recording and puts a bad one in place |
| [17:56:11] | Beirdo: | yeah |
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| [17:56:53] | sphery: | anyway, thanks--and hope the conference is going well |
| [17:58:45] | skd5aner: | yay, may 13 was the last date that i reviewed commits for the release notes :/ |
| [18:00:09] | Beirdo: | goin pretty good so far |
| [18:01:04] | skd5aner: | she's electric! – http://www.solarcoterie.com/ |
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| [18:02:47] | lapion: | thanks sphery |
| [18:03:20] | wagnerrp: | does anyone else find the irony of PV clothes in a subway? |
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| [18:30:14] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: you summon? |
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| [19:00:05] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: hes likely got questions about scanning, see old discussion in other channel |
| [19:00:17] | ** devinheitmueller looks ** | |
| [19:03:11] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: thanks, I see the discussion now. |
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| [19:42:23] | Toast: | Can anyone recommend a reliable PCI or USB DVB-S2 receiver available in the UK please. |
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| [20:09:43] | Muzer: | WTF? |
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| [20:09:49] | Muzer: | Just noticed the mute button doesn't actually work :p |
| [20:09:55] | Muzer: | it just reduces the volume rather than actually muting :P |
| [20:10:15] | wagnerrp: | it likely reduces the volume to zero |
| [20:11:50] | Muzer: | hmm, you're right |
| [20:11:55] | Muzer: | 0% volume also isn't silent |
| [20:12:05] | wagnerrp: | well thats a problem with alsa/your_sound_card |
| [20:12:08] | wagnerrp: | not mythtv |
| [20:12:35] | devinheitmueller: | Most ALSA mixers have a separate mute from the volume slider. |
| [20:12:55] | devinheitmueller: | Does Myth not actually poke the mute flag on the ALSA device? |
| [20:13:06] | wagnerrp: | oh? when ever i hit mute and look at 'alsamixer', it drops the volume meter to 0 |
| [20:13:15] | wagnerrp: | i assumed thats just how alsa functioned |
| [20:13:27] | devinheitmueller: | Are you hitting "mute" in MythFrontend? |
| [20:14:19] | devinheitmueller: | Usually mute is a separate mixer control. Perhaps the application is just turning down the volume all the way because a mute mixer control isn't exposed. |
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| [20:16:15] | Muzer: | I don't know about on the PC I'm running myth on, but on my netbook 0% volume is very quiet but just about audible; actually muting it makes it silent. |
| [20:16:35] | Muzer: | and since both have Intel HDAs, I assume they're similar |
| [20:17:39] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, even though both are Intel HDAs, stuff like that can be affected by the discrete components on the frontend. |
| [20:18:08] | devinheitmueller: | In short, applications should not assume that mute == volume(0), but it's possible that is being done as a fallback for devices that don't explicitly expose a mute. |
| [20:20:48] | Muzer: | I just gave it a try |
| [20:20:55] | Muzer: | the control it's affecting (PCM) can easily be muted from alsamixer |
| [20:20:59] | Muzer: | with the M button, as usual |
| [20:21:04] | Muzer: | myth is turning the volume to 0 instead |
| [20:21:13] | Muzer: | I don't know if that's significant |
| [20:22:33] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, that's bad. |
| [20:22:41] | devinheitmueller: | Somebody should probably fix that. |
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| [22:58:42] | Shadow__X: | kormoc: hey what site do you use to buy domain names again? Thanks |
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| [23:01:02] | Shadow__X: | i am trying out hostable right now for hosting |
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