Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

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iamlindoro:

"'It's pretty clear by now that this is a much bigger problem than any one person can likely tackle,' Mozilla Developer Johnny Stenback said.""

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iamlindoro:

Presumably that's our user by the same name

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iamlindoro:

Ah, who is present, heh

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NewBuntu81:

Hi all. I've been trying to get my lirc working for my mceusb device. I'm on Fedora 14, 2.6.35.13–91, and lirc 0.87. I'd want my LIRC_DRIVER="" in the /etc/sysconfig/lirc file correct? Or should the LIRC_Driver="mceusb"?

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: where is that from?

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iamlindoro:

/.

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wagnerrp:

didnt they snag the freebsd memory manager for firefox 3.x for specifically that reason?

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iamlindoro:

I don't really follow firefox at all any more, I'm pretty happy with Chrome for now

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wagnerrp:

!seen jya

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MythLogBot:

jya was last seen 5 hours 6 minutes 39 seconds ago

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Beirdo:

!seen sleep

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MythLogBot:

sleep has not been seen here

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Beirdo:

amen

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wagnerrp:

if you select stereo out, will 0.24 downmix 5.1 audio to stereo?

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wagnerrp:

or just truncate those extra channels?

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Beirdo:

downmix AFAIK

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wagnerrp:

thats what i thought

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Beirdo:

ah man

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Beirdo:

ok, which button did I put screenshot on

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo, psst, https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/50f91 . . . 161ff640fcfb fixes #9821 but the hook didn't take

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Beirdo:

hmmm. odd

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** Beirdo gives github a slap **

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wagnerrp:

i dont see an email for that one either

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Beirdo:

yeah, it never sent notice

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wagnerrp:

like github never sent it

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wagnerrp:

or the server was down for the count when it did

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wagnerrp:

due to overloading or restart

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Beirdo:

thanks for noticing, iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

np

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Beirdo:

yeah, one or the other, it never made it to us

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k-man:

does mythweb have to be installed at the root of the site?

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wagnerrp:

mythweb expects to be installed at /mythweb

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wagnerrp:

however you can move it around by messing with RewriteBase

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k-man:

wagnerrp: ah ok, thanks

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k-man:

i must have some rewrite rules as on my system its currently stored in / but works if i visit / or /mythweb

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NewBuntu81:

whoohoo, I think i'm on my way to a working IR blaster

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NewBuntu81:

How do you send a 2 digit number to test in lirc? I'm trying 10. irsend SEND_ONCE DC50X 10 doesn't work. 9 works. 10 does not.

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wagnerrp:

you dont

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wagnerrp:

you send 1 and 0, independently

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NewBuntu81:

ok

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NewBuntu81:

i'm blasting. now for the channel changer script

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: can git follow history when you copy a file?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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iamlindoro:

you can even just do a "cp" then "git add" and it managed to figure it out the other day when I needed to do so

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iamlindoro:

interesting-- I committed something with a "refs", cherry-picked it to .24-fixes, amended the commit and made that one a "fixes," and the close ticket didn't get picked up

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Beirdo:

I'll leave that to wagnerrp :) Assuming github notifies, the trac updates are his code.

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Beirdo:

can libmythtv use stuff in libmythui? I forget

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iamlindoro:

yes

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iamlindoro:

(ergo the renderers being there)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

right, thanks

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iamlindoro:

until very recently, it was the endmost library, but now there is at least one further down the chain (metadata)

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Beirdo:

yeah, that makes sense

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** iamlindoro twiddles thumbs and waits to find out if .24-fixes will compile **

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iamlindoro:

So anyway, yeah, the only thing libmythtv can't use is libmythmetadata

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iamlindoro:

and in a pinch that could be inverted pretty easily

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iamlindoro:

(it's just my mostly-unused blu-ray metadata parser that uses the blu-ray ringbuffer)

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iamlindoro:

Holy balls, something wrong with the warning suppression on .24-fixes

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iamlindoro:

or at least, with the buildbot caring about it

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Beirdo:

why is that?

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iamlindoro:

it is listing the ffmpeg warnings

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Beirdo:

we didn't start clearing the warnings until after 0.24

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iamlindoro:

674 of them

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Beirdo:

yup

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iamlindoro:

I had thought we suppressed those

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Beirdo:

about 2 weeks after 0.24 IIRC

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iamlindoro:

oh well, whatever

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Beirdo:

there were more before the first run at suppression before that, too

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iamlindoro:

at least .24 compiles, my work here is done

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

Cool

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bumblebeebat:

hey guys, i am trying to use flash in mythweb but the video transcode causes the flash video to lag. Is there any way to improve the speed of this transcode or get it to work on multiple cores

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roeeb:

The seektable is consistently get corrupted. Only rebuilding it fixes recording playback. What should I check?

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azert:

hello

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azert:

anyone there ?

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azert:

?hello

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anykey_:

iamlindoro: my mythweb problem is solved, silly me, it was using the wrong database server ;)

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digitlman:

hello everybody

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digitlman:

I'm using Ubuntu 11.04...where can I get the latest drivers for a saa7133 device?

[13:52:45]

digitlman:

or are the built in kernel drivers good enough?

[13:53:24]

digitlman:

I'm using an old MSI TV@Anywhere Plus

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digitlman:

it's failing to find channels on a scan

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digitlman:

dmesg suggests the drivers are loading

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wagnerrp:

digitlman: you are scanning... analog?

[13:56:39]

digitlman:

yeah

[13:56:44]

wagnerrp:

why?

[13:57:01]

digitlman:

hrmm

[13:57:08]

digitlman:

lemme doubel check my setup

[13:57:44]

digitlman:

I don't have digital cable

[13:57:54]

digitlman:

dunno if that matters

[13:58:37]

digitlman:

the MSI shows up as an analog VL4 card

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digitlman:

V4L

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wagnerrp:

first, you should not be using an analog V4L card

[13:58:55]

digitlman:

will that not work?

[13:58:57]

wagnerrp:

second, you should not be scanning for analog channels

[13:59:00]

wagnerrp:

it will work

[13:59:07]

wagnerrp:

but its a PITA to set up and maintain

[13:59:11]

digitlman:

ahh

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wagnerrp:

in addition to high CPU usage

[13:59:16]

digitlman:

so I shoudl buy a new card?

[13:59:30]

wagnerrp:

go on ebay, pick up an old PVR-150

[13:59:35]

digitlman:

I've had this one for *years* and it was lying around

[13:59:36]

wagnerrp:

should be ~$20 or so

[13:59:48]

digitlman:

Well, I have no problems in buying a new one

[14:00:00]

digitlman:

any excuse to go to Tiger Direct ;-)

[14:00:01]

wagnerrp:

and you should be pulling a channel lineup from your schedules direct account

[14:00:10]

digitlman:

ok

[14:00:21]

digitlman:

I think I tried to set that up

[14:00:50]

digitlman:

so it would be a PITA to try and get this MSI working?

[14:01:02]

digitlman:

should I just stop now and buy the new card?

[14:01:16]

wagnerrp:

you can try, and it should work

[14:01:29]

digitlman:

ok

[14:01:35]

wagnerrp:

but youll end up in high CPU usage, since mythtv has to compress audio and video on-the-fly

[14:01:47]

wagnerrp:

and you often have problems dealing with audio

[14:01:52]

wagnerrp:

since audio must be captured independently

[14:01:56]

digitlman:

I have an i3 as a cpu, so that might be able to hanble it?

[14:02:08]

wagnerrp:

and depending on how the card is configured, you may have to capture audio through your sound card

[14:02:17]

digitlman:

ugh

[14:02:19]

wagnerrp:

it will be able to handle it just fine

[14:02:32]

wagnerrp:

but its still a needless CPU drain

[14:02:44]

digitlman:

sounds like I should just buy the new card

[14:02:46]

wagnerrp:

when IVTV cards will provide a clean packaged mpeg2 file

[14:02:51]

wagnerrp:

s/new/old/

[14:02:57]

wagnerrp:

they dont manufacture them any longer

[14:03:06]

digitlman:

I need to buy a VGA -> composite converter anyway

[14:03:11]

digitlman:

since I have older tvs

[14:03:12]

wagnerrp:

you can sometimes find an e-tailor still selling some backlog

[14:03:33]

wagnerrp:

but for the most part, youre looking at ebay and craigslist

[14:03:48]

wagnerrp:

or, you could pick up a newer card like a HVR-1600 or -2250

[14:03:54]

digitlman:

ok

[14:04:05]

wagnerrp:

but if youre recording directly off the cable line

[14:04:10]

wagnerrp:

a -2250 would be a waste

[14:04:16]

wagnerrp:

since you wont be able to use the digital tuners

[14:04:23]

digitlman:

so a 1600 then?

[14:04:39]

wagnerrp:

since there are no independent inputs for analog and digital on the 2250

[14:05:00]

digitlman:

this is Hauppage brand then?

[14:05:11]

digitlman:

Hauppauge rather

[14:05:17]

wagnerrp:

with a 1600, you get an mpeg encoder for analog cable use, plus you can pick up any broadcast digital, or unencrypted digital cable

[14:06:14]

wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Analog_Hardware_Encoder_Cards

[14:06:21]

digitlman:

hrmm...dunno if I can find a 1600 locally...might have to online it

[14:06:36]

wagnerrp:

also, if you still have old analog TVs to output to

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digitlman:

that sounds good

[14:06:56]

wagnerrp:

its generally cheaper, and will result in higher quality, to just buy a discrete video card to do so

[14:07:10]

wagnerrp:

VGA -> composite scan converters are not cheap

[14:07:20]

wagnerrp:

and the less expensive ones look like crap

[14:07:43]

digitlman:

I want to use the GMA in my Sandy Bridge

[14:07:54]

digitlman:

so I have to use a conveter

[14:08:00]

digitlman:

unless I buy a new tv

[14:08:01]

digitlman:

lol

[14:08:09]

digitlman:

that might be a good excuse, no?

[14:08:32]

wagnerrp:

because this is for a dedicated frontend, and you want to avoid any discrete cards that would not fit in a slim case?

[14:08:51]

digitlman:

that and power consumption

[14:09:05]

digitlman:

the GMA has HDMI

[14:09:15]

digitlman:

I don't have any HDMI-enable tvs

[14:09:34]

wagnerrp:

yeah, discrete video would bring up power consumption maybe 20W idle

[14:09:48]

digitlman:

right now it is around 50–70 watts

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digitlman:

50 idle

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wagnerrp:

sounds a bit high

[14:10:10]

digitlman:

older ps – I have a new 80+ on order

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digitlman:

so I can spend $90 to buy the 1600 online

[14:11:33]

digitlman:

and I can either spend $30 for a crappy converter, or $150 for a new HDMI tv

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wagnerrp:

if you want digital, get a 1600 or 2250

[14:12:31]

wagnerrp:

otherwise, times almost up... http://cgi.ebay.com/Used-Hauppauge-WinTV-PVR- . . . 120733350845

[14:13:00]

digitlman:

yeah I'll get the 1600

[14:13:48]

digitlman:

so this would be crap – http://www.amazon.com/PC-To-TV-Video-Converter/dp/B001CJOLBW

[14:13:50]

digitlman:

?

[14:15:15]

wagnerrp:

i want to think so

[14:15:19]

wagnerrp:

ive used one or two over the years

[14:15:25]

wagnerrp:

and they never looked very good

[14:15:33]

wagnerrp:

but then... it is still standard definition

[14:15:42]

wagnerrp:

and you cant really expect very high quality anyway

[14:15:43]

digitlman:

and I don't have any HD tvs

[14:16:18]

digitlman:

hrmm....so I have convince myself (and the gf) to possibly buy a new tv for best results

[14:16:53]

digitlman:

well, time to get some food

[14:17:07]

digitlman:

wagnerrp: thanks again for the good advice, as always when I come in here

[14:17:17]

digitlman:

I appreciate what you do

[14:18:00]

wagnerrp:

no problem

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TheAsp:

is there a preferred card for ota atsc?

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wagnerrp:

nope, anything supported by the DVB API

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TheAsp:

sweet.

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TheAsp:

i cant wait to kick my bt878 to the curb ;)

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sphery:

TheAsp: heh, we can't wait 'til you kick it to the curb, either :)

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sphery:

(many here in channel are very much against frame grabbers in principle :)

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TheAsp:

yeah, i've noticed

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TheAsp:

my analog channels off of my cable box are crap though...

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sphery:

So, can't wait for all the hate mail I'll get from saying, "The source 'quality' is already specified by...the order in which inputs are connected (for scheduled recording tuner allocation--when you don't tell MythTV inputs are all equivalent by setting input priorities and enabling, 'Reschedule higher priorities')."

[14:33:25]

sphery:

"What, setting input priority doesn't specify which input to use? That's so broken."

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TheAsp:

i prefer messing with channel priorities... mostly to get around my crap local channel over fw issue

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sphery:

wagnerrp: six significant figures? old logs looked like: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9177

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sphery:

2010-11–03 15:12:12.088 mythfrontend version: branches/release-0-24-fixes [27085] www.mythtv.org

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MythLogBot:

SVN 27085: (branch fixes/0.24) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/139315db

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wagnerrp:

huh... what am i thinking of

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wagnerrp:

i put six in the bindings

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wagnerrp:

not sure why i never noticed the difference

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sphery:

ahhh

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sphery:

no biggie...

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sphery:

though if you want to clarify in #mythtv that our new logging is indeed better, no probs :)

[15:25:35]

sphery:

here I am trying to do some good marketing ...

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wagnerrp:

ditto

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sphery:

heh, thx

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sphery:

so does that mean the bindings have microsecond resolution, now?

[15:27:28]

sphery:

or do they still need updating for new-logging?

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wagnerrp:

always have

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sphery:

ah, cool

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wagnerrp:

(for 2.6 or better)

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sphery:

pythong 2.6?

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sphery:

or kernel 2.6

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wagnerrp:

is that the pythong that wedges into your butt crack?

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sphery:

I guess kernel doesn't make sense since we haven't really supported 2.4 for a long time

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sphery:

heh, don't know why my fingers want to put that g there

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wagnerrp:

oh, we know why

[15:29:02]

wagnerrp:

strutting around those florida beaches in a banana hammock

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sphery:

heh... yeah, that's not me

[15:29:49]

sphery:

I really do want to make the world a better place, and that wouldn't do it...

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wagnerrp:

sphery: anyway, the timing features in python 2.5 support milliseconds, those in python 2.6 support microseconds

[16:00:36]

thwg:

I'm having some issues with mythtv and was hoping I could get a little help; frontend keeps freezing and I can't find anything useful in logs

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sphery:

wagnerrp: ah, I see... makes sense

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thwg:

playback (before it freezes is in slow motion & no audio)

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wagnerrp:

what are you doing when it freezes?

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wagnerrp:

just playing video?

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sphery:

thwg: if your audio isn't working, video playback won't work

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sphery:

so you should fix the audio problem first, and it may clear up all the rest of the problems

[16:01:32]

wagnerrp:

what processor? what video card? what is your source of video?

[16:01:33]

thwg:

wagnerrp: trying to change channel or playback & then exit existing recordings

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sphery:

some users have said that their UI isn't redrawn after exiting playback (which could happen on channel change, too, if it's unable to tune the desired channel)

[16:02:25]

thwg:

wagnerrp: amd64, nvidia hdmi a/v, ota atsc

[16:02:29]

sphery:

it's actually there, MythTV isn't locked--it's just not drawing the UI

[16:02:41]

thwg:

sphery: oh ok...

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sphery:

but definitely fix your audio config first

[16:03:13]

sphery:

if audio isn't properly configured/working and you try playback, all sorts of badness can happen

[16:03:14]

thwg:

sphery: any way to force it to redraw the UI?

[16:03:27]

sphery:

only hacks

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thwg:

ok

[16:03:54]

sphery:

and it could be that after a hack it wouldn't continue redrawing the screen

[16:04:06]

sphery:

(if it's leaving UI drawing disabled when it exits the player)

[16:04:13]

thwg:

that's fine; I can kill it – don't know what's wrong with my audio config all of the sudden, though...

[16:04:15]

sphery:

so you'd just update it once

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sphery:

audio is always a challenge to configure right

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sphery:

and hdmi just makes it that much harder

[16:05:06]

thwg:

sphery: oh I know... I went through this when I set it up initially

[16:05:08]

sphery:

because usually, then, you have a primary audio device and a separate hdmi one--and if you don't know your alsa, that's a challenging config

[16:05:26]

thwg:

I've set up alsa so the default device should work (that's what I use on everything else)

[16:05:33]

thwg:

must not be for some reason now on myth

[16:05:35]

sphery:

anyway, focus on that first, and we'll hope it fixes the rest

[16:07:35]

thwg:

sphery: ok; I guessed right pretty quickly – this seems to be much better...

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sphery:

cool

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wagnerrp:

sphery: any desire for a kitchenputer?

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sphery:

glad it was a quick fix

[16:08:54]

sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, yeah, I've actually been thinking about it

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sphery:

a mythfrontend in there for when I'm cooking

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wagnerrp:

22" 1080p LED/IPS multitouch panel for $230

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sphery:

nice

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wagnerrp:

no idea if the touchscreen is usable with linux though

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sphery:

which one and where?

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wagnerrp:

http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3009445

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sphery:

ah, and a dell... they usually have nice lcds

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wagnerrp:

no matches for 'linux' in the thread

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sphery:

yeah, seems there's partial support in natty

[16:13:17]

wagnerrp:

250 nits, seems a bit low for use in a brightly lit kitchen

[16:13:17]

sphery:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/utouch/+bug/736752 , which likely means partial drivers

[16:13:48]

sphery:

what's a nit?

[16:14:11]

wagnerrp:

measure of brightness

[16:14:31]

wagnerrp:

also seen as cd/m^2

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sphery:

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sphery:

yeah... hadn't heard nit for that... cool

[16:17:53]

tank-man:

nokia internet tablet :)

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sphery:

heh

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Wipster:

hmmmm I dont see the Hauggauge NOVA T-500 in the lirc.hwdb however its in the dropdown in the infrared control centre, where is it hiding?

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Wipster:

or is there a lil guide on adding a remote for the current version?

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sphery:

Wipster: I don't have a specific answer for you other than to say that the stuff you're looking at is not MythTV--so likely something your distro provides to help configure MythTV. Might want to ask in the distro channel or forum or whatever.

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Wipster:

ah ok, cheers

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sphery:

thought it might be quicker for you since there doesn't seem to be anyone around who knows the configurator you're using

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wagnerrp:

likely #ubuntu-mythtv

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Wipster:

yeh thanks, there now. Bugging them :)

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sphery:

Silly me... I assumed the hate mail would be from a side comment that setting input priorities disables tuner "quality" ordering. In retrospect, it should have been obvious that hate mail would be in response to asking to take discussion off the bug tracker and to the lists.

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Beirdo^2:

Hehe

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sphery:

(OK, wasn't really hate mail, but it's crazy that it's always the OP who's concerned about it when the whole point of getting useless discussion out of the ticket is to ensure the ticket is actually readable so we can fix the OPs reported issue)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: whats the word on getting the media framework committed

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wagnerrp:

i was looking into migrating mythgallery to storage groups/database a couple months back

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wagnerrp:

but was told to hold off until i could use the shared tables as part of that rewrite

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I could commit the schema change in no time, but at that point, we won't have any of the supporting code, still

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sphery:

as far as when we'll have tv and video using it... I don't expect it before 0.24

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sphery:

er, 0.25

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wagnerrp:

im just talking about getting the tables in place

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wagnerrp:

and perhaps some image handling code

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stevieman:

I know this really isn't the place for mythbunt help but I haven't been able to get any help over in #mythbuntu. I did an update last week and now I have no TV out. Has anyone had this happen before and how did you fix it?

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wagnerrp:

what all did the update ncompass

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stevieman:

wagnerrp: I cannot remember is there a quick way to find out?

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wagnerrp:

couldnt tell you, as i dont use ubuntu and this isnt #ubuntu

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thedeath:

k stupid question: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-2200

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thedeath:

since it only says support for digital side has been added

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thedeath:

does this mean the analog tv wouldnt work with this card

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Beirdo:

that needs updating

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thedeath:

so the analog also works?

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Beirdo:

the support for that went into the mainstream kernel AFAIK 2.6.38

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thedeath:

cause so far i've had bad experiences with linux and tv cards

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Beirdo:

and it works pretty well for me

[21:14:06]

Beirdo:

witha 2250

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thedeath:

old outdated pci (bt878 chips) seem to cause linux to tell me there's no tuner on these cards (even tho the drivers seem to load ok)

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thedeath:

newer usb (terratec h5) doesnt even have a driver for linux :(

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Beirdo:

IIRC, they are essentially the same card but 2250 is ATSC, and 2200 is DVB-T

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thedeath:

so looking into other options

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thedeath:

well i cant use dvb-t

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thedeath:

only analog tv

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thedeath:

and most google results said stuff about analog not working

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thedeath:

and only the digital side working

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Beirdo:

yeah, it's almost a year out of date then

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thedeath:

k i guess that's positive

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thedeath:

not sure if i end up buying it but it offers hope

[21:16:33]

thedeath:

next stupid question: i tried getting mythtv to install on windows

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thedeath:

after alot of efford, i got it to create the initial mysql database

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thedeath:

but straight after making it, it wanted to upgrade the db

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thedeath:

and it failed on that

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thedeath:

:(

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thedeath:

any reason why it would do that? :p

[21:17:46]

thedeath:

(not on the pc atm so cant check logs or whatever :p)

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thedeath:

i think it was trying to update from 0161 > 0164 (i know it started at 1 and wanted to get to 4, not sure on the exact numbers ahead of that lol)

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo, thedeath: according to devinheitmueller, there are still some issues with the PAL version of that card

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thedeath:

bah :(

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thedeath:

and how 'reliable' is mythtv on windows? :p

[21:19:42]

wagnerrp:

works fairly well

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thedeath:

i know mediaportal was a big failure so :p

[21:19:56]

wagnerrp:

by 'mythtv' you really mean 'mythfrontend'

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thedeath:

no i mean backend

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: ahh, that's true, but was that digital or analog side, I forget

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wagnerrp:

no, you mean mythfrontend

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wagnerrp:

since thats all we support on windows

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thedeath:

mhh damed k :p

[21:20:26]

wagnerrp:

that was analog, digital should work fine

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thedeath:

so are there any analog/pal pci-e dual tuner cards that do work fine on linux? :p

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wagnerrp:

technically you /can/ run mythbackend

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wagnerrp:

but you cant really do anything with it

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wagnerrp:

no, there are no PCIe PAL capture cards usable in mythtv

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thedeath:

doh

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thedeath:

and somehow buying 2 usb pal capture devices to fit on one build seems bad aswell

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thedeath:

+ expencive i guess

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wagnerrp:

used PVR-500?

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: thanks for the correction. My brain has been dumping too many short-term details lately

[21:22:32]

wagnerrp:

yeah, i was corrected a few weeks back

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thedeath:

wagnerrp: havent really spend alot of cash on cards so no :p

[21:22:56]

wagnerrp:

apparently awalls has some branch that should work properly

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thedeath:

last tv cards i've used where all 5/7 years old :p

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wagnerrp:

thedeath: youre looking at half to 1/3 the price of a -2200 for a used -500

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thedeath:

ye but it's pci

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thedeath:

unfortunently our nas only has 1 pci slot and 1 pci-e slot left

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wagnerrp:

... nas?

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thedeath:

well all in one server build sort of

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wagnerrp:

what kind of processor do you have in this 'nas'?

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thedeath:

i wouldnt call a xeon e3–1240 a pure nas

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wagnerrp:

oh, i was expecting some form of Atom

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thedeath:

lol

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wagnerrp:

i am happily incorrect

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thedeath:

i would never build a nas arround an atom

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thedeath:

even our old pure nas (back then we had a seperate machine for everything else) was 2*xeon 3ghz (dont ask me what xeon)

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thedeath:

atoms arent fast enough for a decent nas :(

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thedeath:

even if all they did was run filesharing

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wagnerrp:

well you might want to hang out in #linuxtv for a few days

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wagnerrp:

the guys in question would be devinheitmueller and awalls

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wagnerrp:

they would know more about what the driver issues with 2200 are

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wagnerrp:

!seen devinheitmueller

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MythLogBot:

devinheitmueller was last seen 23 hours 6 seconds ago

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wagnerrp:

!seen awalls

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MythLogBot:

awalls was last seen 19 hours 15 minutes 56 seconds ago

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wagnerrp:

although they do come in here periodically as well

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wagnerrp:

just not usually on weekends

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thedeath:

ye but you mentioned they are working on the pvr-500 right

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wagnerrp:

no, the -500 is an old EOL card

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wagnerrp:

works just fine, but is PCI and no longer produced

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thedeath:

oh :p

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thedeath:

500 is also ntsc appearently :(

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wagnerrp:

theyre primary driver devs, and awalls writes the driver for the saa-7164 cards (-2200 and -2250)

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thedeath:

ah

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thedeath:

well tbh i was just looking for dual tuner pci-e analog cards

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thedeath:

and for some reason all local shops only offered the 2200

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wagnerrp:

right, the 2200 is no longer produced

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thedeath:

(and they seemed to be in same price range as other single tuner pci-e cards)

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thedeath:

oh

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thedeath:

mhh

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wagnerrp:

erm

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wagnerrp:

no, the 500 is no longer produced

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wagnerrp:

i meant

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thedeath:

heh :p

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thedeath:

oh well, thx for the info

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thedeath:

guess i better accept i wont be getting any tv server stuff up :(

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wagnerrp:

im trying to find the discussion during which he corrected me earlier

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Beirdo:

it was a week or two back

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Beirdo:

I do remember it

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thedeath:

i did at 1 point have vlc simply start a multicast stream so it would be visible on other pc's on lan

[21:39:29]

thedeath:

but: – cant change channels, didnt like auto booting (had to manualy start it all the time), was running 24/7 for this reason

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thedeath:

and it made our router kick off the wifi channels :p

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thedeath:

so even tho it worked, it wasnt a viable solution :(

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thedeath:

would love to know to what extend the problems with that 2200 card are tho: aka is it just a pain to configure, or does it not run stable or ...

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NewBuntu81:

I have a dual blaster. When I blast to one device, should lights on both blasters go off? The devices are different so it doesn't bother me, but i wanted to see if that was normal.

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wagnerrp:

no, SET_TRANSMITTER should control which one it goes to

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Beirdo:

OK, this is screwy

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Beirdo:

500G WD Green is $5 more than 500G WD Blue?

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Beirdo:

ummm

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sphery:

well, green is blue + yellow, so it seems yellow is worth $5

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

arent the blues out of production?

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Beirdo:

newegg still has em

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Beirdo:

maybe they are getting rid of stock?

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Beirdo:

faster drive (both rotation and bus speed), and yet it's cheaper

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Beirdo:

smaller cache. Maybe it's $5 for the extra 16MB

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

and the IDE one costs almost twice that of the SATA

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Beirdo:

supply and demand sucks :) Good thing I don't want IDE

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wagnerrp:

plus you can be smug in thinking that youre 'green'

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wagnerrp:

i mean, you did own a prius... :P

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

true

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Beirdo:

but with the Green drive, I'd turn off the green-ness a much as possible anyways

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Beirdo:

spindown in 8s is default, isn't it?

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wagnerrp:

well with the prius, you'd turn off the green-ness as much as possible, just to avoid getting smushed by a semi while trying to enter the highway

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devinheitmueller:

Beirdo: the 2200 does have issues with analog.

[22:32:14]

devinheitmueller:

it's basically broken.

[22:32:42]

devinheitmueller:

Oh, and awalls had no involvement in the 2200/2250. it was written by Steven Toth

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: ^

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Beirdo:

I knew the latter, and I'd forgotten that you said that about the former :)

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Beirdo:

thanks :)

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Beirdo:

hopefully it sticks this time

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devinheitmueller:

Well, if you see "thedeath" around again, you should probably correct him before he goes off and buys a 2200.

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wagnerrp:

ah, right, my mistake

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wagnerrp:

this is why you keep having to come in here and correct me

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wagnerrp:

:)

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devinheitmueller:

heh

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devinheitmueller:

I just don't want people spending good money on boards, and then complaining when it doesn't work.

[22:44:22]

devinheitmueller:

.... and it's far worse when somebody authoritative told them that it should work fine.

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt work at all? or just analog doesnt work?

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devinheitmueller:

analog.

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devinheitmueller:

.... which is the only thing the user cared about.

[22:45:19]

devinheitmueller:

... he was quite clear that he couldn't do DVB-T.

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wagnerrp:

right, well at least i got that part right

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devinheitmueller:

The problems basically boil down to "Steve didn't bother retesting the PAL support before he put his final patches upstream". He had it working, but broke it during the merge.

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iamlindoro:

But how many countries could possibly use PAL, amirite? ;)

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wagnerrp:

im not your PAL, buddy

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devinheitmueller:

heh

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iamlindoro:

I'm not your buddy, friend!

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devinheitmueller:

PAL is actually pretty good stuff. There's a reason that TV engineers joke that NTSC stands for "Never The Same Color"

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sphery:

I'm not your NTSC, friend!

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sphery:

oh, wait, way too slow

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wseltzer:

I'm trying to debug an mp3 playback problem: files that play fine in mplayer are just noise in mythmusic — sometimes

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wseltzer:

and hi!

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sphery:

likely those are 44kHz files and you've configured MythTV to use a 48kHz output or vice versa

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sphery:

perhaps?

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wseltzer:

hm, I'll check. Sometimes they play fine after I hit pause.

[23:17:58]

sphery:

or maybe your audio is in data mode when it's garbage (rather than in audio mode)

[23:18:19]

sphery:

and, btw, hi! been a while since I've seen you around

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sphery:

do you use hdmi or s/pdif output?

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wseltzer:

just the standard mini jack

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sphery:

I'm starting to think the 44kHz/48kHz thing would actually just play it slow or fast, so that's probably not it

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wseltzer:

nothing's set to 48, and these are 44kHz fiels

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sphery:

hmmm... analog... OK, then maybe it's myth's resampler and stuff

[23:20:01]

wseltzer:

(most of my collection is FLAC, which hasn't shown this problem)

[23:20:24]

wseltzer:

indeed, I haven't been around much, but still happily using myth

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sphery:

yeah, I don't remember how much mythmusic was updated for the new audio code that tries to do all the resampling and such

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sphery:

are you using PulseAudio on the system?

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sphery:

(or, really, what's your MythTV audio output device set to?)

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wseltzer:

/dev/dsp

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wagnerrp:

youre using old OSS sound?

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wseltzer:

I'm looking for the config...

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sphery:

it might be hidden under advanced configuration of the audio page

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sphery:

(should be in mythfrontend General settings, I think)

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wseltzer:

hm, I'll try ALSA instead

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sphery:

yeah, have it scan for devices then select the alsa one that fits best

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sphery:

that might help

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wseltzer:

great, that seems to have worked

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wseltzer:

or at least, I can't reproduce the problem :)

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wseltzer:

thanks! I wouldn't have thought to look at those settings

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wagnerrp:

yeah, the audio stuff was completely redone for 0.24

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wseltzer:

now I can go back to figuring out how a bunch of my filenames got accents in them...

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wagnerrp:

recordings?

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wseltzer:

mostly opera

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wagnerrp:

i mean if theyre mythtv recordings, you probably ran the old mythrename.pl or something similar

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wagnerrp:

mythlink.pl has an option to rename those back to the numerical names mythtv uses

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wseltzer:

no, these are CD rips

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wagnerrp:

if its music files, cant help you there

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wseltzer:

some piece of tagging software must have thought it was being helpful

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wseltzer:

thanks sphery, looks as though things are working now

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wagnerrp:

sphery: im going to work on breaking out the recorder from the backend

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wagnerrp:

is the plan that was going to be called on-demand? or operate in daemon mode?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: not sure... I half remember daemon mode

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wagnerrp:

well i know both were discussed

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sphery:

but you'd have to ask the recorder experts

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wagnerrp:

i just dont remember what was chosen

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wagnerrp:

i just figured with the mythtvd stuff you commited, you might have known

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wagnerrp:

oh, wait...

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wagnerrp:

:)

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

well, I spent time working on mythtv today

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sphery:

have a nice pathc

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sphery:

just not going to push it until I'm thinking straig

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wagnerrp:

s/thinking/typing/

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sphery:

(spent about an hour chasing a bug--when it was caused by forgetting to set a flag I had just added)

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