| Friday, June 10th, 2011, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:20] | Beirdo: | I'm thinking that the bare QMutex is having issues due to this being before the QApplication() call perhaps? |
| [00:00:28] | Beirdo: | I'm not sure what's buried inside Qt |
| [00:00:46] | wagnerrp: | could be |
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| [00:01:19] | Beirdo: | by making it a local static, it goes on the heap, and is shared to all calls to the function... but gets constructed on first call, not on startup |
| [00:01:38] | Beirdo: | but I'm not sure if that will 100% work, and not sure what to hit to test it :) |
| [00:01:50] | wagnerrp: | oh, backendutil.cpp, not mainserver |
| [00:01:56] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [00:02:17] | wagnerrp: | which... has the same global QMutex |
| [00:02:21] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [00:02:23] | Beirdo: | why it's being stupid, I dunno |
| [00:02:32] | Beirdo: | that's just my guess as to cause |
| [00:02:44] | Beirdo: | that change does make it exit cleanly here |
| [00:03:07] | wagnerrp: | sphery: what age is your dev box? |
| [00:03:18] | Beirdo: | but dunno if I borked your function. I wouldn't think so. Might have something to do with being in a .so too |
| [00:03:33] | wagnerrp: | could be |
| [00:03:56] | Beirdo: | you mind if I commit that? |
| [00:04:03] | wagnerrp: | not at all |
| [00:04:11] | wagnerrp: | wasnt my code to begin with |
| [00:04:15] | CyberKnet: | hah |
| [00:04:25] | Beirdo: | OK, cool. If it needs mucking with, it gets tweaked again later :) |
| [00:04:31] | CyberKnet: | I'm totally using that as a commit message next time I have to fix someone else's stuff! |
| [00:04:44] | wagnerrp: | hey, it wasnt |
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| [00:04:55] | CyberKnet: | Doesn't make it less funny dude :) |
| [00:04:56] | wagnerrp: | its literally copied verbatim from another file |
| [00:05:02] | Beirdo: | true, you just abstracted it into a lib :) |
| [00:05:21] | wagnerrp: | its not even that, since that function shouldnt be exposed externally |
| [00:05:43] | CyberKnet: | well folks, I have to go home. |
| [00:05:45] | CyberKnet: | you all take care. |
| [00:06:08] | wagnerrp: | this is why we could really use some more discrete handling of the libraries |
| [00:06:13] | Beirdo: | yeah, that mutex is only ever used in that function, so I can't see how the change would break stuff |
| [00:06:16] | wagnerrp: | rather than just everything depends on everything |
| [00:06:47] | wagnerrp: | i was taken a bit off guard when i realized i needed to import libmythui |
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| [00:11:05] | Beirdo: | yeah, we need to rethink the library contents, etc a bit |
| [00:13:08] | sphery: | wagnerrp: age? hardware or mythtv? |
| [00:13:50] | wagnerrp: | age, before or after my mythmediaserver commit |
| [00:14:05] | sphery: | after... current as of today from right before my commit |
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| [00:40:28] | Twiggy2cents: | http://www.extreme-mods.com/Extreme-Lag-Switch_p_392.html |
| [00:40:31] | Twiggy2cents: | How low can you get? |
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| [01:32:55] | NewBuntu81: | Is anybody using Fedora 14 and lirc? |
| [01:34:06] | wagnerrp: | yes |
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| [01:36:39] | Timrit: | Hello. On live tv I always have to adjust the audio sync +500ms. Is there a way to set this statically? Thank you in advance. |
| [01:36:54] | NewBuntu81: | I'm trying to get my lirc working for dual blasters. I'm following http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/LIRC, at the bottom. Are these instructions written specifically for the PVR 150, and will they work for an mceusb blaster? |
| [01:37:19] | wagnerrp: | Timrit: not at this time |
| [01:38:37] | Timrit: | wagnerrp: ok thank you. |
| [01:39:00] | wagnerrp: | Timrit: if i may ask, what do you need it for |
| [01:39:14] | wagnerrp: | the only worthwhile use i know of is when handling audio and video separately |
| [01:39:18] | wagnerrp: | on a tv with a long video delay |
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| [01:39:28] | wagnerrp: | but even for that case, 500ms is awfully high |
| [01:39:57] | Timrit: | wagnerrp: i only use my laptop wirelessly and to sync them that is about the required setting. recordings play fine. |
| [01:40:17] | Timrit: | backend is a beige box in a closet |
| [01:40:23] | Timrit: | frontend is laptop |
| [01:41:03] | wagnerrp: | so? your laptop should have perfect audio sync |
| [01:41:07] | wagnerrp: | there should be no reason for an offset |
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| [01:42:38] | Timrit: | I am unsure to be honest. I am running LinHes on the backend and Arch on the laptop. |
| [01:42:50] | Timrit: | I wonder if there is some in-compatibility |
| [01:42:58] | wagnerrp: | the backend doesnt matter |
| [01:43:07] | wagnerrp: | all that matters is the video and audio output on your laptop |
| [01:43:18] | wagnerrp: | and your laptop should not be having such a delay between its outputs |
| [01:43:25] | wagnerrp: | thats something you need to fix outside of mythtv |
| [01:43:35] | wagnerrp: | are you trying to use pulseaudio on your laptop, perhaps? |
| [01:44:00] | Timrit: | I believe it is. It was a dependancy of Gnome3 |
| [01:46:01] | Timrit: | libpulse, pulseaudio, pulseaudio-alsa |
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| [01:46:12] | Timrit: | all installed |
| [01:46:14] | wagnerrp: | are you trying to use pulse |
| [01:46:24] | wagnerrp: | or are you allowing mythfrontend to suspend pulse so it can access alsa |
| [01:46:31] | Timrit: | not intentionally |
| [01:46:50] | Timrit: | how would I do that? |
| [01:47:05] | Timrit: | brb |
| [01:47:08] | NewBuntu81: | Should I be using lirc 0.87 or 0.9? 9 is newer but seems like people had better luck with 0.87 |
| [01:47:13] | wagnerrp: | the frontend should be doing it automatically |
| [01:47:18] | wagnerrp: | NewBuntu81: depends on your kernel |
| [01:48:11] | wagnerrp: | with 2.6.35.13, you should be using 0.87 |
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| [01:53:42] | sphery: | Timrit: the offset should be saved per frontend as of [27148] |
| [01:53:42] | MythLogBot: | SVN 27148: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/9dbe19fb |
| [01:53:54] | sphery: | not sure if that's 0.24 or after |
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| [01:54:49] | sphery: | but, yeah, wagnerrp is right--that's a big enough offset that it indicates something is wrong |
| [01:55:10] | sphery: | like, for example, you're using a frame grabber and are listening to the "real time" audio and playing back the recorded video |
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| [01:58:02] | sphery: | Timrit: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.ht . . . ooting_Audio + http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html |
| [01:58:49] | wagnerrp: | sphery: no, he said pvr-150 |
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| [01:59:02] | wagnerrp: | and livetv on a remote machine |
| [01:59:09] | sphery: | ah, then that's not it |
| [01:59:19] | sphery: | so pulse is most likely culprit |
| [01:59:43] | wagnerrp: | blame canad^H^H^H^H^Hpulseaudio! |
| [02:00:16] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [02:00:18] | Plugh: | I just updated to Ubuntu 10.10 and mythtv still seems to work but mythbackend is segfaulting during system boot. I have to start the backend manually. Any idea why it would segfault? The log file reports error 6 or error 7 in libGL. |
| [02:00:48] | straterra: | wagnerrp: no no..had it right the first time |
| [02:01:46] | wagnerrp: | NewBuntu81: when i answered yes to you, it was the affirmitive 'yes, there are people using mythtv and fedora 14' |
| [02:01:53] | wagnerrp: | not that i am one of those people |
| [02:02:26] | NewBuntu81: | oh ok |
| [02:02:43] | wagnerrp: | i was being a pedantic ass |
| [02:03:43] | wagnerrp: | answering your question directly, rather than answering the one you were trying to infer |
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| [02:16:10] | Beirdo: | heh. Now I have Finnix on a USB stick |
| [02:16:26] | wagnerrp: | finnix? |
| [02:16:30] | Beirdo: | good for testing... free computers from the recycle pile |
| [02:16:40] | Beirdo: | yeah, it's a small (128MB) linux setup |
| [02:16:45] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [02:16:52] | wagnerrp: | anything of worth? |
| [02:16:57] | wagnerrp: | (the free computers) |
| [02:16:59] | Beirdo: | meant for doing things like rescue disk use |
| [02:17:01] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [02:17:04] | Beirdo: | Core2 Duo |
| [02:17:19] | Beirdo: | out of warranty Dell Optiplex 745 and 755 |
| [02:17:53] | Beirdo: | hmm. finnix is being a pain, it seems |
| [02:17:55] | Beirdo: | let me reboot |
| [02:18:19] | Beirdo: | in debug mode this time, please |
| [02:18:25] | wagnerrp: | wow... btx |
| [02:18:34] | wagnerrp: | never actually seen a BTX system in person |
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| [02:19:10] | Beirdo: | yeah, they are pretty nice, especially for the price |
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| [02:22:08] | Beirdo: | this one has a Core2 Duo E6300 |
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| [02:26:00] | Beirdo: | maybe it was some stupid bios settings? |
| [02:28:18] | Beirdo: | or maybe finnix is borked |
| [02:30:22] | Beirdo: | or maybe the crappy video card (PCI Radeon 7000) is hosed |
| [02:30:34] | Beirdo: | let's yank that and just use onboard |
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| [02:31:42] | Beirdo: | bingo |
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| [02:37:26] | Timrit: | wagnerrp: actually I am using a WinTV PVR2 USB tuner. |
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| [03:20:35] | wagnerrp: | doesnt matter, both should handle a/v sync properly internally |
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| [03:38:11] | RomioTango: | Hello, I have a feeling the answer to this is no but.. is there anyway to use mythtv with uverse? |
| [03:38:30] | CyberKnet: | HD-PVR? |
| [03:38:59] | RomioTango: | No way to directly pull the data over IP to mythtv frontends? |
| [03:39:46] | RomioTango: | I would think we could mimic AT&T/Uverse's protocol and use mythtv as a frontend |
| [03:40:07] | RomioTango: | that being said I know nothing about IPtv.. |
| [03:40:30] | CyberKnet: | I don't believe it is possible because of encryption. |
| [03:40:51] | CyberKnet: | but I'm not a uVerse subscriber, nor am I particularly adept with MythTV, so take that with a grain of salt. |
| [03:41:06] | RomioTango: | you're probably right. |
| [03:41:47] | RomioTango: | I'm relocating to Cary, NC from Dayton, OH and trying to figure out what I should do in terms of Cable/Sat/? |
| [03:42:09] | NewBuntu81: | Can anyone assist with LIRC configuration troubleshooting? http://pastebin.com/ts30tfiQ |
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| [03:44:52] | wagnerrp: | RomioTango: correct, we cannot legally access the uverse network |
| [03:45:46] | RomioTango: | wagnerrp, you say legally... ;) |
| [03:46:06] | wagnerrp: | i say legally, as it would be illegal to attempt to do so |
| [03:46:16] | wagnerrp: | and as such, no one has attempted |
| [03:46:35] | wagnerrp: | at least, not publicly |
| [03:46:45] | RomioTango: | I wonder if there'd be any chance of getting AT&T willing to let someone try such a thing |
| [03:46:52] | wagnerrp: | very doubtful |
| [03:46:58] | RomioTango: | not that I'll have time to work on something like that anytime soon :-\ |
| [03:47:33] | RomioTango: | I may just look into cable and buy a HDhomerun Prime |
| [03:47:50] | RomioTango: | Do the Primes work with mythtv? |
| [03:48:00] | wagnerrp: | since 0.24 |
| [03:48:02] | wagnerrp: | however |
| [03:48:09] | wagnerrp: | dayton ohio uses time warner |
| [03:48:18] | wagnerrp: | and time warner enjoys marking all content as copy protected |
| [03:48:25] | wagnerrp: | preventing mythtv from recording it with the prime |
| [03:48:35] | RomioTango: | well what about Cary NC |
| [03:48:43] | RomioTango: | .. I'm moving :) |
| [03:48:52] | wagnerrp: | oh, got locations mixed up |
| [03:48:56] | RomioTango: | actually at my girlfriends parents in Raleigh ATM |
| [03:48:59] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what provider is in NC |
| [03:49:35] | RomioTango: | I'll have to look into it. I would like to avoid TWC if at all possible but I also do not want to go sat |
| [03:49:54] | RomioTango: | and Uverse seems to be about the same usability as sat.. |
| [03:50:21] | RomioTango: | I would like not to have to rely on IR blasting my channels |
| [03:50:38] | [R]: | dtv boxes have network and/or serial for channel changing |
| [03:50:42] | [R]: | directv* |
| [03:51:26] | RomioTango: | yeah I know but I'm hoping for a simpler solution. I'm getting less and less free time to toy with things anymore |
| [03:51:52] | RomioTango: | back in college I could screw with things all I wanted but I'm always busy anymore |
| [03:53:39] | RomioTango: | I hate to think it, esp since I JUST built a new myth BE/FE box a while back, but maybe I should just go with Uverse :-\ |
| [03:53:47] | RomioTango: | Don't really want to give up on myth but.. |
| [03:55:10] | CyberKnet: | HD-PVR |
| [03:55:12] | CyberKnet: | ? |
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| [03:55:43] | RomioTango: | CyberKnet, are you suggesting or asking lol |
| [03:56:43] | CyberKnet: | It still requires an IR blaster for channel changing, but at least you could record the HD content off of the component output from the uVerse box |
| [03:56:54] | RomioTango: | how well does Comcast play with Mythtv? |
| [03:58:03] | CyberKnet: | No idea. |
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| [03:58:15] | CyberKnet: | I think things largely depend on the area as well as the provider. |
| [03:58:21] | RomioTango: | yeah that is true.. every tv must have a box for uverse correct? I know the HD signal is some sort of IP-TV protocol so I assume even SD quality would be done the same way |
| [03:59:06] | CyberKnet: | You'd need an HD-PVR and an IR blaster for every uVerse box you wanted to record from |
| [03:59:55] | wagnerrp: | record from... in HD |
| [04:00:07] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: I thought I said that... if not then my bad |
| [04:00:57] | RomioTango: | yes but how does the SD signal get to the TV(s).. is it coax to the TV or coax/cat to a STB then a/v cable to TV(s) |
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| [04:01:13] | wagnerrp: | neither |
| [04:01:22] | wagnerrp: | well... cat to the STB |
| [04:01:24] | wagnerrp: | not coax |
| [04:01:27] | RomioTango: | ok |
| [04:01:29] | wagnerrp: | no coax is involved anywhere |
| [04:01:41] | NewBuntu81: | Comcast in general, from what i've read and people talking in here, depends on the area you live in. Most have digitized stations, so you need a card that works in QAM mode for local stations--some areas may have encrypted the stations too so it is hit or miss. For premium, non-local, stations, you need a DTA or cable box. |
| [04:01:54] | RomioTango: | so even the SD is still transferred via ip-tv |
| [04:02:26] | CyberKnet: | Yes |
| [04:02:54] | RomioTango: | NewBuntu81, currently I have (2) PVR-150s and a HDhomerun Dual Tuner |
| [04:03:19] | RomioTango: | and I may be buying a HDhr Prime soon.. depending on the situation |
| [04:03:45] | CyberKnet: | presumably the PVR-150s could record the content off of the uVerse box's SVIDEO out or COmposite out if you're only interested in SD content. |
| [04:04:06] | NewBuntu81: | I'll defer to the experts in here that know the HDhomerun's capabilities. From what i've seen in blogs, it looks similar to my HVR 2250 though which does QAM. I also have 2 PVR-150's for the DTA's--which I'm hoping to get up and running if i can figure out LIRC for dual blasters. :-) |
| [04:04:27] | wagnerrp: | the HDHomeRun is similar to the HVR-2250, for digital use |
| [04:04:33] | wagnerrp: | it does not support analog like the 2250 |
| [04:04:41] | RomioTango: | yes CyberKnet I was doing something similar with my TWC stb |
| [04:04:44] | wagnerrp: | it does not have video encoders like the 2250 |
| [04:05:17] | wagnerrp: | however he is talking about the hdhomerun prime, which is an entirely different beast |
| [04:05:23] | RomioTango: | I used to have (2) DVico HDTVs.. those are pretty decent all purpose cards |
| [04:05:41] | wagnerrp: | no, the dvicos are decent digital tuners, that is all |
| [04:05:47] | RomioTango: | however.. i've found with Mythtv (Linux) you really can't use them for analog and digital |
| [04:05:59] | RomioTango: | exactly |
| [04:06:21] | RomioTango: | Running, dare I say it, Windows.. they work well though |
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| [04:06:52] | wagnerrp: | well no, even on windows they should only be used for digital |
| [04:07:29] | RomioTango: | no.. they worked fine for analog |
| [04:07:38] | wagnerrp: | no, they suck for analog |
| [04:08:04] | [R]: | haha |
| [04:08:09] | [R]: | wagnerrp: its a framegrabber? |
| [04:08:16] | wagnerrp: | theyre all framegrabbers |
| [04:08:22] | wagnerrp: | all but the handful of hauppauge cards |
| [04:08:24] | [R]: | framegrabbers make me cry |
| [04:08:38] | wagnerrp: | and some other much more rare cards from other companies |
| [04:08:47] | NewBuntu81: | yea i was waiting for wagnerrp to go off on the framegrabbers...hahaha |
| [04:09:01] | [R]: | NewBuntu81: cuz they are awful awful pieces of trash |
| [04:09:10] | NewBuntu81: | hahaha, yea so i've heard |
| [04:09:30] | NewBuntu81: | makes sense. buy something that has an encoder or decoder onboard, save on cpu processing |
| [04:09:35] | wagnerrp: | theyre not awful pieces of trash |
| [04:09:36] | RomioTango: | meh it worked fine for my original box |
| [04:09:49] | RomioTango: | obviously I've gotten away from them though |
| [04:09:51] | wagnerrp: | theyre good for live playback, and professional use |
| [04:09:59] | wagnerrp: | however mythtv, and PVRs in general, do neither |
| [04:11:31] | RomioTango: | I need to find a way to keep using Mythtv and get all of the functionality I want lol.. I just built this new box with a X2 3.0 & geforce 430 lol |
| [04:12:54] | NewBuntu81: | I remember when I got my first Tivo and was amazed. I can't ever go back to watching tv without a DVR. But now that i've used Mythtv with commercial skipping, I don't want anything else. |
| [04:13:29] | RomioTango: | exactly my problem lol |
| [04:15:17] | RomioTango: | wtf is primecast lol |
| [04:16:43] | CyberKnet: | RomioTango: It's not like it's impossible to achieve what you are talking about. It's just decisions about quality (SD vs HD) and which additional hardware to purchase. |
| [04:17:09] | [R]: | SD makes me cry |
| [04:17:19] | CyberKnet: | [R]: You and me both. |
| [04:17:27] | RomioTango: | CyberKnet, I know. I'm just trying to figure out the most cost effective solution |
| [04:17:33] | [R]: | wagnerrp: do they make good quality framegrabbers? cuz the bt878 i had was awful |
| [04:17:37] | CyberKnet: | RomioTango: That isn't MythTV |
| [04:17:49] | [R]: | RomioTango: myth is an expensive hobby |
| [04:17:52] | wagnerrp: | [R]: sure, plenty of great quality professional gear |
| [04:17:53] | CyberKnet: | RomioTango: If you're looking for cheap then rent the cable company's DVR |
| [04:18:16] | RomioTango: | Haha well I want my cake and I want to eat it too.. |
| [04:18:23] | RomioTango: | just need to figure out a way.. |
| [04:19:35] | CyberKnet: | Yeah. "Because it's cheaper" has never been a reason I used myth. Even with DVRs were expensive. |
| [04:20:43] | RomioTango: | Yeah I know.. I guess I mean to say I want mythtv, I just want to achieve it as cheaply as possible |
| [04:21:09] | [R]: | so use SD |
| [04:21:25] | CyberKnet: | Yeah, SD is cheap. Buy a couple of IR blasters and you're set. |
| [04:21:28] | RomioTango: | I think an angel just lost its wings [R] |
| [04:21:31] | CyberKnet: | you already have the SD tuners too. |
| [04:22:03] | CyberKnet: | RomioTango: You could get a couple of HD antennas and record off the airwaves |
| [04:22:21] | CyberKnet: | that's about all I get in HD off ClearQAM here in Tulsa anyway. |
| [04:22:22] | RomioTango: | I've been tuning SD from cable and HD from OTA |
| [04:22:47] | CyberKnet: | Then keep doing that and just add a couple of IR blasters. |
| [04:23:01] | RomioTango: | yeah in Dayton I didn't get much more from QAM than I did from OTA |
| [04:23:25] | CyberKnet: | anyways. I'm out. |
| [04:23:27] | CyberKnet: | peace. |
| [04:23:42] | RomioTango: | alright c ya man |
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| [06:16:47] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: you made a new warning, BTW :) |
| [06:16:50] | Beirdo: | mythcommandlineparser.cpp:34: warning: no previous declaration for ‘const char* NamedOptType(int) |
| [06:17:07] | Beirdo: | i.e. it needs a prototype at the top of the file :) |
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| [07:32:44] | justinh: | oh, nice one OFCOM, allowing 4G RF users to sit on a channel adjacent to digital TV muxes |
| [07:33:15] | justinh: | that'll really sort the men from the boys in terms of tuner rejection etc |
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| [09:34:27] | justinh: | oh look at mister lahdee dahh IP6 there :P |
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| [10:59:24] | Dapsaille: | Hi, can it be possible to use mplayer as a channel ? i can view my webcam with mplayer but i want to create a channel dedicated to this webcam |
| [11:01:22] | Dapsaille: | the source is an asx video |
| [11:03:27] | Dapsaille: | asf sorry .. |
| [11:15:55] | toeb: | Dapsaille: I think i read somewhere that there is a Dummyrecording device which can be used to record from a file... maybe you could abuse it for your purpose... |
| [11:16:23] | toeb: | mplayer -> file -> dummyrecorder... |
| [11:17:59] | Dapsaille: | seems interesting, reading docs for now |
| [11:18:00] | Dapsaille: | thanks |
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| [11:25:31] | Dapsaille: | i cannot use a streamed flux with this "fake" card |
| [11:25:31] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: what? why? |
| [11:26:00] | wagnerrp: | Dapsaille: why not just make your webcam an input with mythtv? |
| [11:26:31] | Dapsaille: | i didn't find how to do it :/ |
| [11:26:39] | wagnerrp: | its a v4l webcam? |
| [11:26:44] | Dapsaille: | no |
| [11:26:47] | Dapsaille: | ip cam |
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| [11:27:09] | wagnerrp: | does it support rtp/rtsp? |
| [11:27:19] | Dapsaille: | not sure, i check now |
| [11:27:32] | Dapsaille: | it provide asf flux, i use it with zoneminder |
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| [11:31:35] | Dapsaille: | no, it doesn't provide rtp rtsp capability .. |
| [11:37:01] | wagnerrp: | youve got three options i can think of |
| [11:37:13] | wagnerrp: | first, use vlc in daemon mode as a proxy |
| [11:37:47] | wagnerrp: | vlc captures, transcodes, and retransmits the stream in multicast rtp format, in a manner mythtv can record using its iptv recorder |
| [11:38:07] | wagnerrp: | check the wiki for a page on how to integrate the dreambox STB as a tuner in mythtv |
| [11:38:20] | wagnerrp: | it describes how to set up VLC for this type of operation |
| [11:38:48] | wagnerrp: | second, use your existing mplayer means of capture, and use the 'input tuner' to call mplayer to generate the file |
| [11:39:03] | wagnerrp: | this method is fairly new, and completely undocumented... have fun :) |
| [11:39:09] | Dapsaille: | hehe |
| [11:39:22] | wagnerrp: | third, install zoneminder, and set up the camera as a security camera |
| [11:39:34] | wagnerrp: | interface with the camera using the mythzoneminder plugin |
| [11:39:37] | Dapsaille: | thanks .. i already use zoneminder |
| [11:40:06] | Dapsaille: | and i've seen mythzoneminder but it seems that the "camera" cannot be viewed as a simple channel in mythtv "tv" section |
| [11:40:15] | Dapsaille: | maybee i'm wrong |
| [11:40:37] | wagnerrp: | thats correct, its a plugin, with its own interface |
| [11:40:44] | Dapsaille: | humm ok |
| [11:40:51] | wagnerrp: | intended to be better suited for use with multiple cameras in a security system |
| [11:41:11] | Dapsaille: | yeah but i already use zm for that, not interesting for this case |
| [11:41:16] | Dapsaille: | thanks for your ideas |
| [11:41:31] | Dapsaille: | vlc daemon seems sexy, i will try it |
| [11:43:59] | justinh: | what use is a cctv camera that isn't being recorded, though? ponder |
| [11:44:34] | Dapsaille: | zoneminder already use the record and detection functionnality for security cams |
| [11:45:00] | Dapsaille: | this one is a little special, we use it for view the dog's nursery ^^ |
| [11:45:44] | Dapsaille: | we use android clients for mobility but i thinked that a mythtv channel in pip could be really cool |
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| [11:46:51] | Dapsaille: | we are dog's breeder so we need to check that all is ok |
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| [12:54:50] | justinh: | heh. looks like I need to get permission to order an HD capture device |
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| [13:53:48] | roee: | Skip forward on recording on mythtv is slow (~5 secs delay). Where can be the problem? |
| [13:54:52] | justinh: | using an Atom for a frontend and backend? |
| [13:57:05] | roee: | Nope. |
| [13:57:28] | roee: | No problem on livetv. Only on recording. |
| [13:59:52] | justinh: | make your seektable is screwed |
| [13:59:57] | justinh: | run mysqlcheck etc |
| [14:00:03] | justinh: | s/make/maybe |
| [14:02:17] | roee: | already done that. Now trying to mythcommflag -rebuild. |
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| [14:04:05] | justinh: | can't say I've ever had any problems seeking within recordings |
| [14:04:42] | justinh: | maybe your db is being slow. some distros don't run mysql in an optimal way for mythtv |
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| [14:06:23] | justinh: | OMG VDPAU for ATI? Shudder |
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| [14:13:56] | roee: | i am using ubuntu 11.04. why use database for seeking? I am disabled commercial flagging anyway. |
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| [14:15:40] | justinh: | all information mythtv uses is in the database |
| [14:15:49] | justinh: | that includes data about how to seek within recordings |
| [14:15:55] | sphery: | roee: run optimize_mythdb.pl , and consider putting it in a daily cron job (at a time when recordings are unlikely to occur) |
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| [14:20:43] | roee: | I don't know if the 'mythcommflag -rebuild' or the suggested 'optimize_mythdb.pl' did the trick, but it works! |
| [14:20:47] | roee: | Thanks! |
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| [14:24:29] | justinh: | prolly optimising the database |
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| [15:01:42] | stuartm: | roee: by collecting and storing information about the frame positions within the video MythTV can provide frame accurate seeking instead of the 'best guess' that it would have to make otherwise, e.g. when you skip 1 minute in the recording you'll move exactly one minute in the video |
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| [15:02:30] | stuartm: | obviously the more times you do this the more important it becomes, e.g. when skipping an adverts break of exactly four minutes etc you don't want to end up to 30–40 seconds into the programme and then need to rewind |
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| [17:35:13] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: the what? why? is in regards to the warning? |
| [17:35:40] | Beirdo: | check buildbot's warnings |
| [17:35:42] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [18:14:50] | sphery: | So, I haven't seen devinheitmueller around, today. I guess not that he's been automated away--and replaced by a Termite--he must be out looking for something to keep him busy. ( http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/10/autom . . . r_synthesis/ ) |
| [18:15:23] | sphery: | s/not/now/ ... I make that particularly-annoying typo way too often |
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| [18:32:48] | RomioTango: | Can anyone in here discuss with me how cablecards function |
| [18:33:26] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: im just confused as to why a prototype is needed when it is not used before declaration |
| [18:33:39] | wagnerrp: | RomioTango: make it quick and i can answer |
| [18:33:48] | wagnerrp: | but i dont have time for a drawn out discussion |
| [18:33:57] | RomioTango: | If i get the HDhr Prime will I be able to record all channels or only the non-copy flagged encrypted programs |
| [18:34:00] | stuartm: | sphery: that's ok, I find it reassuring, I make similar typos almost constantly ;) |
| [18:34:20] | wagnerrp: | you will be able to capture any encrypted recordings marked as copy freely |
| [18:34:29] | wagnerrp: | if you know anyone with a series 3 tivo |
| [18:34:32] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: sorry, was afk. |
| [18:34:38] | wagnerrp: | these are also the recordings that can be accessed remotely |
| [18:34:40] | sphery: | heh, yeah, just that ones that totally change the meaning are annoying--especially when you're making a bad joke |
| [18:34:48] | wagnerrp: | any copy protected content can only be watched on the device that recorded it |
| [18:34:58] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, device driver authoring is stupid simple – I'm amazed that nobody replaced me with a machine years ago. |
| [18:35:11] | sphery: | devinheitmueller: probably should have put a space in there or something so it wouldn't ping you |
| [18:35:29] | devinheitmueller: | Well, if anyone would find the joke funny, it is I. |
| [18:36:01] | sphery: | heh, well, if it works, it sounds like it could be a good thing for GNU/Linux |
| [18:36:27] | RomioTango: | wagnerrp, so I couldn't record the copy protected content and just watch it on the same box if it were a FE/BE box? |
| [18:36:39] | stuartm: | fwiw Termite is going to fail hard, "have a tool chain that will work from formal specifications and automatically generate driver code" < in the majority of cases the reason a shoddy driver exists at all is because the specifications produced for the hardware were poor to start with |
| [18:36:41] | sphery: | I guess then, you'll be writing OS specifications that the device vendors can use when they run termite to give us our proprietary-blob drivers |
| [18:36:54] | devinheitmueller: | stuartm: you are completely correct. |
| [18:36:54] | sphery: | (so, good thing + bad thing, really) |
| [18:36:56] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: not sure, but that's usually what that means |
| [18:36:59] | NewBuntu81: | Tivo Series 2 lets you copy recordings to a computer and watch also. |
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| [18:37:12] | wagnerrp: | NewBuntu81: series 2 tivos dont accept cable cards |
| [18:37:31] | devinheitmueller: | NewBuntu81: The series 3+ Tivos won't let you copy copy-protected programs to a different computer. |
| [18:37:36] | NewBuntu81: | correct, you'd have to use a cable box or dta. |
| [18:37:39] | wagnerrp: | RomioTango: no, mythtv is not an authorized cablecard user, so it can only access 'copy freely' content |
| [18:38:02] | dashs: | Howto handle build issue with debian squeeze and (no) lame?? |
| [18:38:13] | NewBuntu81: | oooh, glad i never had a Series 3 then....hahaha |
| [18:38:16] | sphery: | stuartm: yeah, that makes sense. |
| [18:38:20] | wagnerrp: | dashs: install lame |
| [18:38:26] | devinheitmueller: | The key issue is that Tivo can assert that the content "stays protected" and there is no way to access the unencrypted content. MythTV can *never* provide the capability given it's open source. |
| [18:38:49] | dashs: | wagnerrp: is there a deb somewhere? |
| [18:38:52] | stuartm: | sphery: if it meant that manufacturers started turning out good spec files for once then it would be a very good thing, but why would they start now? What's the motivating factor? |
| [18:39:04] | wagnerrp: | dashs: that would be something to ask the debian people |
| [18:39:43] | dashs: | wagnerrp: so build lame from source (which should be ok). |
| [18:40:01] | sphery: | dashs: but, truth be told, if you're looking for a DVR app that is a "license-pure" and "patent-unencumbered" as Debian stands for, you won't find it |
| [18:40:06] | RomioTango: | wagnerrp, so.. it seems as though the HDhr prime would essentially be worthless to me if I'm using TWC? |
| [18:40:34] | devinheitmueller: | RomioTango: not necessarily. Many cable systems distribute their content with the copy-freely tag. |
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| [18:41:04] | devinheitmueller: | It's usually something that gets negotiated in the carriage agreement between the MVPS and the content provider, and thus far none of the content providers have demanded it. |
| [18:41:16] | devinheitmueller: | (or very few of them have, to be more accurate) |
| [18:42:19] | RomioTango: | MVPS? |
| [18:42:58] | RomioTango: | TWC has most programming marked / flagged for protection though dont they? |
| [18:43:20] | devinheitmueller: | MVPS = cable company |
| [18:44:29] | RomioTango: | ohh |
| [18:45:36] | devinheitmueller: | Doh. MVPDs. Sorry, typo. |
| [18:45:58] | devinheitmueller: | multichannel video programming distributor |
| [18:46:02] | sphery: | this is purely hearsay, but I've heard TWC has more channels marked other than copy freely than other providers |
| [18:46:15] | sphery: | (but that could easily just be a specific market or something) |
| [18:46:35] | devinheitmueller: | This is something that will be sorted out pretty quickly once SD sells a couple hundred cards. |
| [18:46:40] | RomioTango: | its fine. I'm still just trying to figure out which service to go with |
| [18:46:44] | sphery: | only way to know for sure is to find someone at your local cable co who actually knows (which, I'm sure would be very challenging) or to test it yourself |
| [18:46:53] | RomioTango: | at this point I'm torn between dish or TWC |
| [18:47:03] | devinheitmueller: | Dish will require an HD-PVR. |
| [18:47:11] | sphery: | and, FWIW, HD-PVR works great |
| [18:47:13] | sphery: | and good quality |
| [18:47:23] | RomioTango: | and IR blast it? |
| [18:47:27] | devinheitmueller: | ... except you need one HD-PVR and satellite receiver per channel you want to get. |
| [18:47:32] | sphery: | only real downside is that you have to use a cable/satellite box to output to it |
| [18:47:47] | sphery: | versus getting a cablecard--which might be lower rental fee |
| [18:47:49] | devinheitmueller: | Pardon, I meant "per simultaneous program you want to record" |
| [18:48:16] | devinheitmueller: | A device like the HDHR Prime will let you record up to three programs at a time, which is a pretty nice feature. |
| [18:48:48] | sphery: | and, then again, there's OTA--vote against cable with your wallet |
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| [18:49:09] | sphery: | and spend the money you save on DVDs or BluRays of the cable-only TV shows you actually care to watch |
| [18:49:18] | sphery: | (or rentals or NetFlix or ...) |
| [18:49:18] | devinheitmueller: | ... which unfortunately only works if all you care about is the fifteen or so broadcast channels. |
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| [18:51:30] | RomioTango: | The prime is only useful for copy-free though so in reality I may still end up needing to us a STB to get the channels I want |
| [18:51:52] | RomioTango: | anyone know where I can find the information regarding what channels are copy-free vs flagged? |
| [18:52:09] | iamlindoro: | Your set top boxes diagnostic menus, and your local headend engineer |
| [18:52:09] | devinheitmueller: | Good luck. To my knowledge there is no such public repository. |
| [18:52:55] | sphery: | RomioTango: however, one STB for not-copy-freely channels + one CableCard for 3-at-a-time copy-freely channels could still be much cheaper than using HD-PVR + STBs only |
| [18:54:04] | RomioTango: | Hmm.. true. I do have (2) PVR150s however I'd bet that most of the non-copy-free channels would be high def which I wouldn't want to capture in SD res |
| [18:55:46] | iamlindoro: | As everyone else has mentioned, it depends entirely on your local headend and provider's policies |
| [18:56:06] | kormoc: | RomioTango, I'd wager the majority of the channels are non-copy-free (other then network channels) |
| [18:56:09] | RomioTango: | yeah I'll have to start making phone calls and emails |
| [18:56:10] | iamlindoro: | SiliconDust and I share the same headend, and their people report that all but the premiums are copy free |
| [18:56:35] | RomioTango: | iamlindoro, whats your location? |
| [18:56:36] | kormoc: | RomioTango, that's likely a waste of time. Just put your current box into diag mode and look at what channels are marked what |
| [18:56:43] | iamlindoro: | SF Bay Area |
| [18:56:55] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: your experience is similar to many peoples' around the country whether they know it or not. |
| [18:57:01] | RomioTango: | ohh, I'll be relocated here in Cary, NC in a couple weeks |
| [18:57:04] | RomioTango: | well a week.. |
| [18:57:40] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: Yeah, my understanding is that Comcast is the most lenient, but that TWC is quite a bit less so |
| [18:57:41] | RomioTango: | kormoc, I need to know before as the house I'm renting is already set up for Dish and I'd like to make the decision which service I want soon |
| [18:58:01] | kormoc: | RomioTango, anyone you talk to is unlikely to actually know anything |
| [18:58:01] | RomioTango: | may be further ahead to just go ahead with Dish and get an HDPVR |
| [18:58:34] | RomioTango: | that is probably true.. I'm on FB talking to a buddy who works as an installer for TWC and he seems clueless to what I'm asking |
| [18:58:37] | sphery: | RomioTango: how many programs do you want to be able to record concurrently? |
| [18:58:48] | iamlindoro: | Installers are clueless period |
| [18:58:52] | awalls: | iamlindoro: would the FCC keep tabs on this sort of information |
| [18:58:54] | awalls: | ? |
| [18:58:58] | iamlindoro: | They're wire jockies |
| [18:59:18] | RomioTango: | yeah true |
| [18:59:27] | iamlindoro: | awalls: I don't think so, they're not obliged to monitor the encryption status outside of the "must carries" TTBOMK |
| [18:59:41] | devinheitmueller: | They do no monitoring at all. |
| [18:59:58] | sphery: | did they ever change the rules so that must carries must be unencrypted for both analog and digital? |
| [18:59:59] | devinheitmueller: | Hell, I would be surprised if they've ever even responded to a complaint of this nature. |
| [19:00:03] | RomioTango: | sphery, at least two.. if possible three |
| [19:00:05] | sphery: | or is it still "either or" |
| [19:00:37] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: as most cable systems are going "all digital", that's likely a moot question. |
| [19:00:44] | awalls: | analog encryption, hehe ;) |
| [19:01:04] | devinheitmueller: | awalls: do you prefer "scrambled"? :-) |
| [19:01:22] | awalls: | No, I like my channels over-easy. ;) |
| [19:01:23] | sphery: | RomioTango: yeah, if it's just one, the difference in pricing between cable and satellite could easily make up for the difference between cable card and STB, but when you add additional STBs, it cuts away at the differences :( |
| [19:02:09] | RomioTango: | yeah I know.. I guess the real question becomes how much headache do I want lol |
| [19:02:30] | RomioTango: | I gotta go though.. I'll probably be back later. hopefully with more information and better questions. |
| [19:02:33] | JEDIDIAH__: | Sat STBs aren't that expensive. They usually can be acquired for free and the "rental" is not that much more than a CableCard Rental. |
| [19:03:31] | sphery: | awalls: by that I was mainly asking if cable co's can still get away with having analog/SDTV versions of the must carries and encrypting their digital versions (though in a CableCARD situation, the must carries should always be marked copy freely, so not really relevant to this discussion)) |
| [19:05:49] | awalls: | sphery: understood. Sounds like a bad rule, if it is still in place. |
| [19:06:42] | awalls: | (bad for consumers anyway) |
| [19:07:11] | sphery: | yeah |
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| [19:41:07] | ** Beirdo bonks his head against the wall to improve his day ** | |
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| [20:10:38] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: how's the jobqueue redux coming along? :) |
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| [20:44:46] | stuartm: | to download ubuntu ISOs? |
| [20:45:12] | Beirdo: | :) |
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| [20:49:19] | slipcon: | have a question about http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Backend_migration .... new hardware is built and hope to start testing migration this weekend. |
| [20:51:29] | slipcon: | Specifically, it says to copy media to "the same directory structure" on the new machine. Is that critical? My old system had been upgraded over time from 0.15 or some such, is currently on 0.22. The new will be mythbuntu/ 0.24-fixes, so I'd like to move the paths to the recordings such that they are where mythbuntu expects them by default (/var/lib/mythtv/recordings?) – I suppose if it matters I can create symbolic lin |
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| [21:08:44] | awalls: | Fedora 15 actually. I've been using RedHat stuff since Redhat 5.0 (before the Fedora & RHEL split) |
| [21:09:29] | awalls: | It has that "System V" feel I prefer when it comes to sysadmin tasks. |
| [21:11:45] | jams: | slipcon- what matters is the media be where the database says it's going to be. so if your restoring your old db, it will still have the old loction. |
| [21:11:50] | ** awalls logged too much time with HP-UX, IRIX, and REAL/IX ** | |
| [21:13:37] | devinheitmueller: | I had a meeting with some HP people a few years ago, and they chided me for referring to it as "hpux" instead of "H-P-U-X"... |
| [21:14:07] | slipcon: | jams: ok, thanks. I didn't realize it kept the full path (although I haven't inspected the sql dump yet). |
| [21:14:24] | awalls: | devinheitmueller: then you should have chided them right back for features that are missing from the OS. ;) |
| [21:14:56] | devinheitmueller: | Hey, they had *Itanium* support in 11.23! Who else can claim that! |
| [21:14:59] | devinheitmueller: | ;-) |
| [21:15:11] | awalls: | DEC and Compaq. |
| [21:15:17] | devinheitmueller: | Oh, yeah. Nevermind. |
| [21:15:17] | awalls: | Oh wait HP bought them. |
| [21:15:21] | awalls: | :) |
| [21:15:50] | awalls: | have to go. bye |
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| [22:12:23] | Wipster: | good evning all, would the be the right place to ask about IR remotes? If so, I have set in the control centre 'supported natively' and in my dmesg I do see 'input: IR reciever inside usb DVB blah' and it assigns it to input3, however I am missing most of the key mappings... if I go into assign a key and press one nothing is registered |
| [22:17:34] | Wipster: | same effect if I have 'native' selected or 'USB & serial through LIRC' |
| [22:22:37] | devinheitmueller: | It's amazing the percentage of user issues that are related to IR. |
| [22:23:26] | ** awalls recalls he wanted a straight lirc interface integrated into the kernel. ** | |
| [22:24:28] | devinheitmueller: | In theory if the damn X11 could handle keycodes > 255, we wouldn't need a LIRC interface at all for the vast majority of IR RX situations. |
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| [22:25:28] | awalls: | we knew that lirc worked. no theroetical qualifications needed. |
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| [22:25:56] | awalls: | i will conced lirc is a pita to set up |
| [22:25:57] | devinheitmueller: | The lirc interface had more than its share of issues. |
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| [22:26:21] | awalls: | such as...? |
| [22:26:31] | devinheitmueller: | If the X11 keycode issue could be fixed, the vast majority of remote controls would work out-of-the-box with their default remotes. |
| [22:26:39] | ** awalls is just bitter ** | |
| [22:26:47] | devinheitmueller: | such as the inability for devices to specify their default remote controls? |
| [22:27:35] | devinheitmueller: | I am bitter as well. It's very frustrating. |
| [22:28:28] | awalls: | now a device can specify its default remote and not work. Yay!? |
| [22:28:29] | devinheitmueller: | anyway, gotta go. ttyl. |
| [22:28:37] | awalls: | ttyl |
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| [22:30:10] | Wipster: | sounds like fun times |
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| [22:34:55] | awalls: | the fun-meter was pegged :) |
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| [22:43:49] | Wipster: | well no worries, found a nice guide on making configs, shall post it when its done and tested :) |
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