| Thursday, June 9th, 2011, 00:08 UTC | ||
| [00:08:58] | CyberKnet: | for a front end would you guys go for a 1TB spindle or a 16GB SSD? |
| [00:09:08] | CyberKnet: | (or even an 8GB SSD) |
| [00:10:59] | CyberKnet: | hmmm... looks like mythbuntu recommends 10GB for a front end |
| [00:12:28] | CyberKnet: | maybe get a 16 or 30GB SSD then |
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| [00:25:45] | NewBuntu81: | How would you know if digital channels are encrypted? I know if you pick up a cell phone or cordless phone on a scanner the audio is jibberish. is the picture and audio jibberish if it is encrypted, or can you just not see/hear anything at all? |
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| [00:32:39] | jams: | NewBuntu81- you will be unable to get a lock, so no picture or audio. |
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| [00:42:49] | NewBuntu81: | Whoohoo, it found my QAM channels. |
| [00:43:06] | NewBuntu81: | I had to remove all of my cards, boot up, then shut down and add back in the hvr 2250. |
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| [00:46:54] | abqjp: | Beirdo: were you looking for me? |
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| [00:49:19] | Beirdo: | yeah, with regards to an odd log message iamlindoro was just getting shortly after I merged the logging. It's in the xmlbaseparser, getting passed in a NULL MythUIType pointer... |
| [00:49:42] | Beirdo: | was wondering if anything you'd recently changed would be related, or if something else odd was up |
| [00:50:11] | abqjp: | Possible. I will check the IRC log and take a look when I get home. |
| [00:50:38] | Beirdo: | cool. I'm sure if he's still getting it now, he can fill in more details too if needed |
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| [03:33:33] | jpabq: | The smoke is really uncomfortable. Glad I am not any closer to the fire. |
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| [03:38:12] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: seems samsung is going to start offering 9.5mm 1TB drives |
| [03:38:42] | wagnerrp: | should fit in that 5.25" caddy |
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| [03:38:59] | wagnerrp: | 4TB for only $520 |
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| [04:02:12] | Beirdo: | ooooh :) |
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| [04:16:56] | techmik: | well, i went from no sound on live tv/ watching recording of same, to audible static, and slight jerkiness of video...... |
| [04:17:09] | techmik: | so i guess thats progress |
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| [06:51:05] | gsommer: | even-though I have my storage NFS mounted, I would like to force my frontend to stream from my backend... (WITHOUT unmounting my storage)... But, I cannot seem to find that option in 0.24-fixes ? |
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| [06:52:07] | [R]: | it should always stream |
| [06:52:28] | gsommer: | It does not.. If the files are avaible at the filesystem – it will use that. |
| [06:52:56] | [R]: | well they removed the option |
| [06:53:08] | gsommer: | If opening the file locally fails, it will fall-back to using myth://..... protocol for handling thefile.. |
| [06:53:24] | gsommer: | ohh :( |
| [06:53:28] | gsommer: | That's kinda sad... :( |
| [06:54:18] | gsommer: | Using NFS can be quite unreliable... And streaming seems to work a lot better. |
| [06:54:40] | gsommer: | (If it tries to start playback, while the file is still 0byte – the playback will fail)... |
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| [06:54:55] | gsommer: | This causes LiveTV to be quite unreliable... |
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| [06:55:38] | justinh: | nfs unreliable? lol |
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| [06:56:56] | gsommer: | justinh: Ok, I put it wrong.. NFS itself is not unreliable... But, MythTV + local files (or NFS shared) + LiveTV is unreliable |
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| [07:01:09] | justinh: | maybe you have your nfs options set in a sub-optimal way |
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| [07:02:12] | justinh: | how about er.. just not mounting the storage group locally anyway? |
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| [07:06:28] | justinh: | if the group is a level down from where you keep other stuff, fine – just change the export to accomodate the other stuff separately & mount accordingly |
| [07:08:28] | gsommer: | justinh: I must admin I'm using async... might that cause it... ? |
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| [07:27:54] | justinh: | I dunno. FWIW I'd just not mount the directory locally |
| [07:28:00] | justinh: | easy |
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| [07:56:30] | gsommer: | justinh: That kinda sucks... As XBMC uses it too... :/ |
| [07:56:50] | gsommer: | But, I guess till the issues in MythTV i worked out... I'll have to unmount as a workaround... |
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| [08:02:40] | justinh: | or make a SG for livetv & don't export it.. and DON'T USE XBMC |
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| [11:26:27] | DarkSaboteur: | Hi, I'm having an issue with the theme downloader built into mythfrontend |
| [11:27:08] | DarkSaboteur: | It is unable to download any themes and sits with the progress bar but nothing ever happens |
| [11:27:56] | DarkSaboteur: | The frontend logs contain "downloadRemoteFile(): DOWNLOAD_FILE returned ERROR!" |
| [11:28:12] | DarkSaboteur: | And the backend "Unable to determine directory to write to in DOWNLOAD_FILE write command" |
| [11:28:30] | DarkSaboteur: | I am not sure how to tell it which directory to use for DOWNLOAD_FILE |
| [11:28:42] | DarkSaboteur: | Any ideas? |
| [11:29:09] | DarkSaboteur: | I'm on 0.24.1 if it matters |
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| [12:08:50] | DarkSaboteur: | Nevermind, it was a permissions issue on the backend. Mythbackend was unable to create the tmp and theme directories |
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| [12:47:49] | justinh: | I hope by that he meant he fixed it by changing the directory perms not by running mythbackend as root |
| [13:10:22] | iamlindoro: | nah, he just did chmod -R 777 / ;) |
| [13:11:48] | wagnerrp: | who needs file permissions anyway |
| [13:12:39] | wagnerrp: | user wants an HTPC with a touchscreen? |
| [13:12:40] | wagnerrp: | why? |
| [13:14:57] | wagnerrp: | i mean the cases and screens individually are fairly inexpensive |
| [13:15:17] | wagnerrp: | but when you strap a 7" touchscreen onto a case, they charge like 400% markup to do so |
| [13:15:55] | wagnerrp: | and all you have to show for it is a tiny touchscreen that you have to stoop down to use |
| [13:17:36] | wagnerrp: | id much rather see a lot more context-aware information and control available over the frontend control socket or xml |
| [13:17:41] | wagnerrp: | and use a little tablet |
| [13:18:05] | wagnerrp: | isnt that the end result of what jamesba was working on a few months back? |
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| [13:40:26] | justinh: | gah. have to try & debug our new switch |
| [13:40:54] | justinh: | got 2 new PCBs in a row not playing ball. it's supposed to pass packets from port A to port B but it ain't |
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| [14:19:08] | iamlindoro: | !seen RDV_Linux |
| [14:19:08] | MythLogBot: | RDV_Linux was last seen 31 days 20 hours 22 minutes 55 seconds ago |
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| [14:44:24] | justinh: | haha it was a build option problem. these boards are for use inside DVRs & the switch IC was set to a funny mode thanks to resistors being fitted where they shouldn't have been |
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| [14:47:57] | taylorr: | sphery: some good deals today on WD Greens |
| [14:48:16] | taylorr: | also that shell shocker deal for the SSD would be sweet to have |
| [14:48:35] | sphery: | oooh, haven't checked today's mailer |
| [14:49:21] | sphery: | of course, I'm on HDD-buying probation, now... have two 2TB HDDs sitting on top of my Myth backends, not installed, so I think I'm OK for space right now. |
| [14:50:06] | taylorr: | sphery: wondering with an SSD as a linux system drive if you could really max out the life by only partitioning a portion of the drive and when it wears out move to another unused portion |
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| [14:50:18] | sphery: | pulled a couple drives out of my Myth boxes to borrow for other systems when I was having HDD problems on the other systems, and have found I didn't really /need/ that space, so... |
| [14:50:37] | taylorr: | sphery: but you need an SSD, right? |
| [14:50:39] | sphery: | don't most SSDs do automatic wear leveling? |
| [14:50:59] | justinh: | not the really cheap ones. they're just a USB stick with a USB-SATA converter :P |
| [14:51:07] | taylorr: | sphery: true, that probably defeats the purpose |
| [14:51:25] | sphery: | hehe, if I got an SSD, it would be for the one Windows box I have (the one I use to play Steam games)... The HDD in there is so slow that I'm always the guy my friends have to wait for before the game starts. |
| [14:51:43] | sphery: | of course, since I only boot that once a month or once every couple months, ... |
| [14:52:29] | sphery: | justinh: ahhh... that makes sense--sounds like a typical "Linux is free" user maximizing his dollars spent on cheap hardware |
| [14:53:37] | taylorr: | wow, 3TB down to $120 |
| [14:53:50] | justinh: | sphery: IIRC there was a story about people finding their SSD from ebay was the very thing – and the USB stick was specially modified to lie about its capacity |
| [14:54:03] | sphery: | heh |
| [14:54:57] | sphery: | I got a replacement phone battery online... I'm almost positive it's a lead block dipped in plastic, smoothed out, and a couple of gold-colored contacts glued onto it |
| [14:55:04] | justinh: | lol |
| [14:55:15] | justinh: | they do similar things with batteries apparently |
| [14:55:30] | justinh: | probably not with lead.. it'd be cheaper to use real batteries ;) |
| [14:55:53] | sphery: | yeah, which is really annoying because it means I'll have to buy an OEM battery, which means about $60 |
| [14:56:06] | sphery: | when my phone isn't even worth $60 |
| [14:56:26] | sphery: | (the carrier's "trade-up" program says my phone is worth $15--which, IMHO, is very generous) |
| [14:56:55] | justinh: | is it insured? ;-) |
| [14:57:07] | sphery: | heh, no |
| [14:57:43] | justinh: | be a shame if something were to ... happen to it ;-) |
| [14:58:32] | sphery: | really don't want to do a carrier-sponsored upgrade, which will result in a 2-yr extension of my contract since I'm thinking of switching to a "discount" pay-as-you-go provider. |
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| [14:59:12] | jams: | well thats just no good. mythfrontend segfaults when updateing mythmusic schema |
| [14:59:44] | sid3windr: | I got batteries for my nikon dslr from dealextreme |
| [14:59:46] | sid3windr: | quite cheap |
| [14:59:57] | sid3windr: | and they are certainly not worse in battery life than the original ones |
| [15:00:05] | sid3windr: | I don't know how many charge cycles they'll live, of course :) |
| [15:00:12] | sid3windr: | but i've had them for over a year now and they're fine |
| [15:00:21] | justinh: | just bought some 2900mAH NiMH cells from 7dayshop.com for less than a pack of supermarket alkalines |
| [15:00:48] | justinh: | my big camera (Fuji somethingorother) eats batteries like no tomorrow |
| [15:01:49] | sphery: | yeah, I wish phones would use some standardized battery configuration so you could get the benefit of bulk production |
| [15:03:17] | JEDIDIAH__: | at least if you can replace your battery you don't have to ditch it for something else you might not like or have your phone "in the shop". |
| [15:03:39] | sphery: | heh, the dealextreme battery compatible with my phone looks exactly like the bad one I got |
| [15:04:02] | sphery: | ah, actually slightly different--they actually have a brand name on this one |
| [15:04:30] | sphery: | JEDIDIAH__: heh, yeah, at least I don't need a Genius(TM) to replace my battery |
| [15:04:36] | jams: | sphery any way to stop the db upgrade from happening? |
| [15:04:46] | jams: | other then removing the plugin |
| [15:04:50] | sphery: | jams: is it reproducibly segfaulting? |
| [15:04:58] | jams: | well so far it is |
| [15:05:04] | sphery: | can you get a backtrace? |
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| [15:05:26] | justinh: | sphery: heh it's taken them all long enough just to agree on a standard power connector |
| [15:05:31] | jams: | start FE..answer yes, try to perform update and segfault |
| [15:05:35] | sphery: | best way to prevent it from upgrading plugin schema is to remove the plugin (just rename the .so to .so-disabled or something) |
| [15:06:03] | jams: | right..i was curious if there was another way |
| [15:06:23] | sphery: | you can compile mythmusic so that it ignores schema version, but that's dangerous |
| [15:06:32] | jams: | it's not worth that |
| [15:06:43] | sphery: | you can modify the schema version, but that can be very dangerous, too |
| [15:07:07] | sphery: | basically, if your schema doesn't update properly, you shouldn't be using that plugin |
| [15:07:09] | ** justinh gets ready to yell "get a backtrace, open a ticket" ;-) ** | |
| [15:07:15] | sphery: | so that's why I recommend disabling the plugin |
| [15:07:52] | sphery: | heh... I'd have to fake some mythmusic data or something on my box |
| [15:08:03] | sphery: | and then, I don't know if I'd actually get the segfault |
| [15:08:09] | jams: | that was my other choice |
| [15:08:18] | jams: | modifing the version |
| [15:08:19] | sphery: | jams: can you at least give me a frontend log |
| [15:08:27] | jams: | yeah i'm working on it |
| [15:08:36] | jams: | just an FYI this was a new install..clean DB |
| [15:08:44] | sphery: | the schema upgrade itself shouldn't segfault the frontend |
| [15:08:50] | JEDIDIAH__: | who has he cheap 3TB drives? |
| [15:09:01] | sphery: | jams: ah, so maybe that's the key--meaning I might actually see it myself |
| [15:09:14] | techmik: | i am so close to having mythtv running correctly...... i can watch my other recordings and they look and sound good, but recording and/or watching livetv is a bit jerky video and i finally went from no audio at all to tons of static audio..... |
| [15:09:15] | sphery: | JEDIDIAH__: newegg, I think |
| [15:09:45] | jams: | schema is currently 1018..moving to 1019 is where it fails |
| [15:10:24] | jams: | anyway getting the backtrace..just have to look up instructions again |
| [15:10:27] | justinh: | techmik: digital TV? could be your signal has gone to the dogs. femon will be your friend when recording or watching live tv. Look for numbers in BER & UNC of as low as possible – preferably zero |
| [15:12:15] | jams: | hehe guess it helps if gdb is installed |
| [15:12:26] | sphery: | JEDIDIAH__: yeah, newegg... It's the Western Digital Deskstar 3TB (Hitachi, but since they're getting bought... :) |
| [15:12:48] | sphery: | JEDIDIAH__: specifically http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145493 |
| [15:13:01] | techmik: | i am not sure its not a config issue..... i am a preety noobish linux user, most of the tech stuff is over my head....... i did get my "not really supported" tuner card installed and apparantly working, tho i wish i could test it outside of myth to be sure its seup correctly..... |
| [15:14:10] | iamlindoro: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9832 |
| [15:14:16] | iamlindoro: | Oooh, universal translator! |
| [15:15:12] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Can we close #9646? I'd say we're off and running with that one |
| [15:15:12] | sphery: | heh |
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| [15:47:34] | dwilson: | hi! I decided to switch from atrpms to rpmfusion for my mythtv packages. I have successfully removed all of the atrpms packages and installed the rpmfusion packages. It appears that the rpmfusion package doesn't include v4l support – my input connections show "Error, Compile with V4L support to query inputs". Is there a way to get v4l support using rpmfusion? |
| [15:48:55] | sphery: | dwilson: there's an updated build for rpmfusion with V4L support |
| [15:49:06] | sphery: | need a version from (late) May 29th or after |
| [15:49:14] | sphery: | I don't know where to find the updated repo |
| [15:49:21] | sphery: | I think I heard something about "testing" or ... |
| [15:49:25] | dwilson: | since I just installed today, I would have thought that I would have gotten the latest? |
| [15:49:31] | dwilson: | ah perhaps in testing, yes. |
| [15:49:35] | dwilson: | I will look there! |
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| [15:50:04] | sphery: | dwilson: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/482315#482315 |
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| [15:58:35] | dwilson: | sphery: that fixed the v4l problem. now mythbackend fails to start: Failed to issue method call: Access denied. Log doesn't show anything untoward. Guess I'll turn on more verbose logging? |
| [15:59:03] | dwilson: | never mind. |
| [15:59:06] | dwilson: | I'm an idiot. |
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| [15:59:26] | dwilson: | helps if you start it as root.... doh! |
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| [16:00:09] | sphery: | heh, glad you figured it out--I wouldn't have had a guess what's causing that :) |
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| [16:01:24] | dwilson: | and frontend is up, recordings play, looks good! Thanks for your help! |
| [16:01:37] | sphery: | enjoy |
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| [16:03:09] | dwilson: | yeah! now I can get other packages I need from rpmfusion (that atrpms doesn't have) without worrying about conflicts. I thought atrpms was great, but the conflicts got to be more than I could bear. |
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| [16:04:10] | dwilson: | and now that myth is back up, I can go to work without worrying all day ;) |
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| [16:26:47] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://msgpack.org/ |
| [16:26:57] | sphery: | versus protobuf |
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| [16:31:50] | iamlindoro: | mmm, nuvpack |
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| [16:33:12] | sphery: | heh |
| [16:33:51] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: yeah, id say there hasnt been any significant issues with it in months |
| [16:34:04] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: whew, 'cause I already closed it ;) |
| [16:34:31] | wagnerrp: | i saw |
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| [16:35:12] | wagnerrp: | btrfs will be the default for f16... wow |
| [16:35:19] | wagnerrp: | didnt think they were anywhere near ready |
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| [16:35:50] | iamlindoro: | Well why should that stop them |
| [16:35:57] | iamlindoro: | This is LINUCKS |
| [16:36:12] | ** iamlindoro kicks Fedora down a well in slow motion ** | |
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| [16:37:17] | marl_scot: | hi, am trying to get mythlink.pl to run after every recording, so that i get a nice list of programs, i have : "mythlink.pl --link /media/recordings/ --format '%C/%T/%S-%R'" listed under userjob 1, and 'run user job #1' under setup/tv/setup/general, but it doesnt seam to be running it, any one got any pointers on hat ive done wrong/not done? |
| [16:37:30] | sphery: | kind of like replacing 14 years of DE development with a brand new, roll-your-own DE whose name is about the same as its age |
| [16:37:46] | wagnerrp: | marl_scot: there is a special mode youre supposed to run when using it as a user job |
| [16:37:51] | sphery: | marl_scot: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythlink.pl |
| [16:37:56] | wagnerrp: | such that it only handles that specific recording |
| [16:38:04] | sphery: | marl_scot: and you probably want to use MythTV System events |
| [16:38:11] | wagnerrp: | and youre not rebuilding a large folder each time |
| [16:38:22] | sphery: | wiki pages has details |
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| [16:38:48] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythlink.pl#Using_ . . . ystem_Events (or, not nearly as nice, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythlink.pl#Using_as_a_User_Job ) |
| [16:39:16] | marl_scot: | i had the format that it showed on the wiki, and got nothing, changed to the above to see if it made any differance |
| [16:39:27] | marl_scot: | sphery, system events? |
| [16:39:29] | wagnerrp: | sphery: c, c++, perl, python, php, ruby, java, javascript |
| [16:39:37] | wagnerrp: | seems to cover just about everything anyone might want to use |
| [16:39:47] | sphery: | yeah, haven't actually looked at it |
| [16:40:10] | marl_scot: | is that under setup or frontend? |
| [16:40:13] | sphery: | but saw mention of it (and how it's better than protobuf) at http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/08/googl . . . ex_employee/ |
| [16:40:45] | sphery: | marl_scot: the wiki page explains more |
| [16:41:02] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythlink.pl#Using_ . . . ystem_Events -> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_System_Events |
| [16:41:31] | sphery: | marl_scot: and you are using a sufficiently-new mythlink.pl (and MythTV), right? |
| [16:41:57] | marl_scot: | yup :) |
| [16:42:04] | marl_scot: | thanks, think ive found it :) |
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| [16:42:40] | sphery: | marl_scot: and you're sure it's not working... remember user jobs are run /after/ the recording finishes and after any other jobs that may be run (such as commflag and transcodes) |
| [16:42:51] | sphery: | (at least "and possibly after any other jobs") |
| [16:42:52] | marl_scot: | i take it, shutting down the backend when using mythtv-setup stops any current records? |
| [16:43:03] | sphery: | yep |
| [16:43:27] | marl_scot: | left it for a good 10 mins, and it was only a 4 min long recording |
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| [16:43:52] | sphery: | and did you have errors in the log or anything? |
| [16:43:55] | sphery: | the backend log |
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| [16:47:49] | wagnerrp: | sphery: IMHO, i dont really like how the complicated it is to set up the XML interface |
| [16:48:13] | wagnerrp: | id rather just have everyone base their data classes off a shell base class |
| [16:48:21] | iamlindoro: | I find it quite the opposite |
| [16:48:27] | wagnerrp: | and have a 'toVariant' and 'fromVariant' method |
| [16:48:40] | iamlindoro: | The first one or two you do are confusing, but once you get it, it works great |
| [16:48:47] | iamlindoro: | or rather, that's how I felt |
| [16:49:32] | wagnerrp: | i guess its more personal preference |
| [16:49:41] | marl_scot: | am trying again with system events |
| [16:49:41] | wagnerrp: | i like stuff to be more straight forward |
| [16:49:58] | wagnerrp: | where as the way its set up, qt is working all sorts of magic in the background that im not following |
| [16:50:32] | sphery: | yeah, there is a lot of qt magic in the current |
| [16:50:45] | sphery: | but it is something that isn't too bad once you've been through it |
| [16:51:19] | sphery: | I just really don't like the idea of (text-based) XML or JSON for the DB stuff because I don't want to be the guy who has to do type conversion because we have a type-unsafe protocol |
| [16:51:38] | marl_scot: | thanks, that worked shifting to the system events :) |
| [16:51:54] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i understand capt'm's comment about making it hard to debug |
| [16:52:09] | wagnerrp: | but theres no reason why we couldnt build some form of translator into the logger |
| [16:52:14] | sphery: | marl_scot: cool... note sure what happened with the user job, but system events are much better, anyway--they can happen on recording start or stop rather than minutes or hours after recording |
| [16:52:26] | wagnerrp: | deserialize it into plain text for output |
| [16:52:50] | sphery: | wagnerrp: right, and that's what my thought is... translator for logs and/or a debugging tool that actually captures and displays data |
| [16:53:02] | sphery: | kind of a wireshark for mythtv's data proto :) |
| [16:53:30] | sphery: | of course, as you know, I'm all talk and reliant upon people like you and Beirdo to actually do my todos :) |
| [16:53:59] | wagnerrp: | sadly, i stabbed myself |
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| [16:54:26] | sphery: | you're supposed to hold the blade back along your wrist in a knife fight |
| [16:54:29] | wagnerrp: | tried to catch a falling glass, took a big gouge out of my right palm |
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| [16:55:15] | sphery: | after it broke, I assume |
| [16:55:21] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
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| [16:56:09] | sphery: | heh, marine corps seems to no longer advocate the reverse grip: http://www.scribd.com/doc/44015/The-Knife-Fig . . . Marine-Corps |
| [16:57:39] | wagnerrp: | i always thought the purpose of the reverse grip was that it allowed you to defend yourself |
| [16:57:48] | ** iamlindoro places sphery on the no-fly list ** | |
| [16:57:53] | sphery: | heh |
| [16:58:09] | wagnerrp: | you have your whole forearm to deflect an attack |
| [16:58:15] | wagnerrp: | rather than a comparably weak wrist |
| [16:58:19] | sphery: | yeah, that may be the difference--as this article is more about the offensive side of it, too |
| [16:58:33] | wagnerrp: | maybe thats the reason, marines dont want to be viewed as limp wristed |
| [16:59:25] | wagnerrp: | is there actually a difference between the reverse grip, and the 'ice pick' grip? |
| [17:00:28] | sphery: | sounds like maybe the ice pick is a "sideways" reverse grip? |
| [17:01:11] | wagnerrp: | but its the same grip |
| [17:01:23] | wagnerrp: | mean you can instantaneously switch between the two forms |
| [17:01:32] | earthnative: | yeah, I didn't think 'twisting your wrist' made it a different grip |
| [17:01:48] | sphery: | yeah, that seems to be the case--which means you have double the options, so seems useful |
| [17:02:31] | earthnative: | and the difference between Fencer's and Hammer grip seems to be 'hold tighter' |
| [17:02:52] | wagnerrp: | well, kind of |
| [17:03:09] | wagnerrp: | fencers, the butt of the knife is pointed to your wrist |
| [17:03:29] | wagnerrp: | hammer, its towards the side of your hand |
| [17:03:47] | earthnative: | isn't that just another 'twist of wrist' ? |
| [17:04:02] | wagnerrp: | no, different grip |
| [17:04:27] | earthnative: | ok, I clearly need gifs then, cos I'm not seeing anything fundamentally different there |
| [17:04:53] | wagnerrp: | fencers, you point the knife directly at the opponent |
| [17:05:05] | wagnerrp: | you cant do that while firmly grasping it like a hammer |
| [17:05:14] | wagnerrp: | unless you have your elbow way up in the air |
| [17:05:49] | sphery: | so 180degrees difference in grip? |
| [17:05:59] | earthnative: | http://www.isshinkai.net/artwork/marine/Tech1_Illustrated.jpg |
| [17:06:16] | earthnative: | 1 and 3 are differentiated by a twist of the wrist... |
| [17:06:57] | earthnative: | and 2 and 4 are differntiated by a little more... not sure I'd personally call that a wholly different grip though |
| [17:07:01] | earthnative: | but I see the different now |
| [17:07:18] | wagnerrp: | 2, the knife is backstopped by your thumb |
| [17:07:23] | wagnerrp: | 4, its your whole palm |
| [17:07:41] | wagnerrp: | 4 is a much stronger grip, and the expense of dexterity |
| [17:08:01] | earthnative: | yeah, I'm seeing what a 'grip' is as somewhat simpler I guess. "blade comes out the thumb side of your hand' vs 'blade comes out little finger side' |
| [17:08:22] | wagnerrp: | right, its on the opposite side of that big lump of fat and muscle |
| [17:09:20] | earthnative: | anyway, damn interesting distractions... I was going to bed (and just clearing the activity notifies in channels before doing so!) |
| [17:11:03] | wagnerrp: | xris, kormoc: is your distillery this awesome? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNQa5HCUYCQ |
| [17:14:45] | kormoc: | Ha! One day, I can only hope |
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| [17:16:12] | jams: | sphery- is it supposed to ask me to select the CD drive everytime mythfrontend is started? |
| [17:17:11] | sphery: | heh, don't think so... what's asking that? just out of nowhere in mythfrontend? |
| [17:17:28] | jams: | start frontend, first prompt is to select a CD drive |
| [17:17:49] | sphery: | kormoc: have you heard of messagepack? http://msgpack.org/ |
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| [17:18:00] | jams: | i remember it doing this before, but thought it was fixed. |
| [17:18:14] | sphery: | jams: and you're sure it's saving settings ok? hostname is constant and correct? |
| [17:18:30] | jams: | hostname is constant and correct, no i'm not sure it's saving it |
| [17:18:41] | sphery: | I didn't even know we had code to ask that |
| [17:18:50] | sphery: | might be in the mediamonitor stuff (I turn that off) |
| [17:19:04] | jams: | i guess it's not saving it, let me check some other settings |
| [17:19:21] | kormoc: | sphery, nopers |
| [17:19:31] | sphery: | just curious what your thoughts on it were |
| [17:19:56] | sphery: | read an article where an ex google engineer called protobuf archaic versus msgpack |
| [17:20:04] | sphery: | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/08/googl . . . ex_employee/ |
| [17:20:13] | jams: | actually media montior is turned off |
| [17:20:41] | sphery: | and figured you'd know the scoop on it (since you seem to be more on top of that type of stuff than I) |
| [17:21:01] | sphery: | hmmm... it's not a distro configurator doing it, is it? |
| [17:21:09] | sphery: | what's the text in the dialog? |
| [17:21:15] | jams: | sphery- no it's all myth |
| [17:24:26] | jams: | http://jmeyer.us/cdrom-pick.png |
| [17:24:40] | kormoc: | sphery, some impressive claims and a quick look reads really well |
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| [17:26:02] | sphery: | yeah, I've seen some claiming that the testing approach is flawed because it's transferring a few ints and strings 200K times versus a real/typical data packet (using some of the 20+ types provided by msgpack) |
| [17:26:22] | sphery: | but, anyway, something else to consider/test if I get around to making a data server |
| [17:26:33] | sphery: | so, now, on the list is XML/JSON/protobuf/msgpack :) |
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| [17:27:05] | kormoc: | I like the fact they support a ton of languages out of the gate |
| [17:27:58] | sphery: | yeah, that is nice |
| [17:28:14] | sphery: | seems some of the work on protobuf's other language support has stalled |
| [17:28:48] | kormoc: | yeah |
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| [17:39:01] | jams: | sphery- it's mythmusic doing it. If I remove the plugin that prompt goes away |
| [17:40:06] | iamlindoro: | anykey_: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4426 is really ancient, and I think I might have asked you about it before-- do you still have the means to test? Is it still a problem? |
| [17:40:19] | Shadow__X: | just a fyi newegg has the hitachi 3tb 5400rpm drives for 120 |
| [17:40:23] | jams: | and if I change "cd device" in mythmusic settings from "default" to /dev/cdrom it goes away |
| [17:40:59] | marl_scot: | i know this isnt really a myth problem, but has anyone else got a setup like this : myth records to /media/videos/ mylink creates links in /media/recordings/ samba shares /media/recordings setup box cant see the links under /media/recordings? |
| [17:41:16] | marl_scot: | s/mylink/mythlink.pl/ |
| [17:43:07] | sphery: | jams: and it doesn't save the response when it asks you (you had to go into setup to change it?) |
| [17:44:04] | jams: | sphery- correct |
| [17:44:15] | jams: | if I change it back to "default" the prompt occurs again |
| [17:44:21] | sphery: | marl_scot: you need to tell the samba server to dereference symlinks for you |
| [17:44:51] | jams: | i don't know if it's supposed to save it or not |
| [17:45:16] | wagnerrp: | marl_scot: youre using samba to mount on another unix system? |
| [17:45:43] | sphery: | marl_scot: think samba's terminology is something like follow symlinks (might be other related settings that need flipped, too |
| [17:45:58] | wagnerrp: | its the unix extensions stuff |
| [17:46:23] | sphery: | yeah, can just disable them, too – /proc/fs/cifs/LinuxExtensionsEnabled |
| [17:47:11] | jams: | or add it to the config file |
| [17:47:31] | marl_scot: | got follow symlinks, as well as wide links, samba is running on myth backend, trying to view the files from a windoz box or a setup box browsing via windows netwrok |
| [17:47:35] | sphery: | yeah, for that unix extensions = no |
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| [17:48:06] | wagnerrp: | if youre mounting it on windows, samba should understand that the client cannot handle symlinks |
| [17:48:16] | wagnerrp: | and should handle them locally |
| [17:48:41] | sphery: | marl_scot: wide links is automatically disabled if unix extensions are enabled |
| [17:48:45] | sphery: | for security |
| [17:48:55] | sphery: | so it seems you need both |
| [17:48:59] | wagnerrp: | wide links? |
| [17:49:14] | sphery: | allows server to follow links outside the exported dir structure |
| [17:50:00] | sphery: | which means a *nix user could ln -s /path/to/file/user/should/not/see . ; and then read it |
| [17:50:06] | sphery: | or whatever |
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| [17:51:31] | sphery: | so they make you turn off unix extensions (which, in theory means no creating symlinks to via samba, I presume) |
| [17:52:02] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so, chrome 12 is out, now--firefox /still/ hasn't caught up |
| [17:52:28] | sphery: | still way back on FF5 beta |
| [17:52:58] | wagnerrp: | dont worry, theyll have 8 out by the end of the year |
| [17:53:14] | sphery: | heh |
| [17:53:18] | sphery: | I thought it was 4–7 this year |
| [17:53:35] | sphery: | regardless, way too much version # churn |
| [17:53:39] | wagnerrp: | theyll revise it because they need more versions |
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| [17:53:45] | sphery: | ah, yeah |
| [17:54:15] | sphery: | we should do the same... after all, it seems that makes your product better--all it takes is using a larger version number |
| [17:54:38] | sphery: | I propose we drop the 0. from our version # |
| [17:54:47] | sphery: | then we'll be ahead of even Chrome |
| [17:58:58] | techmik: | when i choose "watch live tv", both the view at the moment and the recording are a bit jerky on video and seem to have no audio except pulsing static...... 1st, i assume, i should test the functioning of the usb tuner *outside* of mythtv, but i have no idea how...... |
| [18:01:12] | techmik: | ok, perfect video in tvtime..... |
| [18:01:25] | wagnerrp: | what is your CPU? |
| [18:01:28] | sphery: | techmik: if your audio is nonfunctional (or broken), playback won't work--since video timing is based on audio timing |
| [18:01:33] | techmik: | but no audio |
| [18:01:35] | techmik: | ah |
| [18:01:42] | sphery: | so "Save the audio and save the video" |
| [18:01:50] | techmik: | i have an amd 6core 2.8ghz cpu |
| [18:01:56] | sphery: | (for you Heroes fan, out there) |
| [18:02:12] | wagnerrp: | in any case, scrap the tuner, and buy a proper hardware encoder |
| [18:02:16] | sphery: | agreed |
| [18:02:19] | techmik: | should i have sound with tvtime? |
| [18:02:33] | jams: | it's amazing how many times that advice has been given out over the years |
| [18:02:35] | sphery: | using a frame grabber for analog capture is a waste, today |
| [18:02:39] | wagnerrp: | tvtime doesnt really play video |
| [18:03:03] | techmik: | but it's what i have to deal with until i can free up the extra $$ to get the proper device... |
| [18:03:05] | wagnerrp: | all tvtime does is copy data from the capture card frame buffer, to the video card frame buffer |
| [18:03:11] | techmik: | ah |
| [18:03:17] | wagnerrp: | the extra $$ is $20 for a PVR-150 on ebay |
| [18:03:21] | techmik: | so tvtime not a good test.... |
| [18:03:27] | Shadow__X: | jams: i agree |
| [18:03:49] | techmik: | i dont have an available pcie slot |
| [18:04:05] | wagnerrp: | the PVR-150 is not a PCIe card |
| [18:04:05] | techmik: | only pci |
| [18:04:09] | wagnerrp: | its PCI |
| [18:04:11] | techmik: | ah |
| [18:04:14] | techmik: | really? |
| [18:04:22] | techmik: | let me check this out... |
| [18:04:27] | techmik: | hauppauge? |
| [18:04:32] | Shadow__X: | yes |
| [18:04:32] | anykey_: | iamlindoro: sorry, I don't know if the problem still exists, I don't have the CAM anymore |
| [18:04:42] | wagnerrp: | hauppauge doesnt sell them anymore |
| [18:04:49] | wagnerrp: | you will almost certainly have to buy one used |
| [18:05:00] | wagnerrp: | you might find an etailer somewhere with some back stock |
| [18:05:23] | techmik: | so i guess usb is not the preferred choice? |
| [18:05:46] | techmik: | at a reasopnable price i mean |
| [18:05:52] | iamlindoro: | anykey_: ok, thanks |
| [18:06:01] | wagnerrp: | usb is not the preferred choice for most of us, period |
| [18:06:02] | techmik: | the hvr-1950 is a bit much at the moment |
| [18:06:07] | jams: | wow ebay has them new and used for around $30 |
| [18:06:18] | wagnerrp: | but its certainly going to be expensive for video capture |
| [18:06:22] | sphery: | but some of us are still hoping USB3 fixes all USB's ills |
| [18:06:29] | wagnerrp: | the USB version of the PVR-150 is the PVR-USB2 |
| [18:06:44] | wagnerrp: | the 1950 is the USB version of the 1600 and 1850 |
| [18:07:02] | sphery: | (of course, since Intel is no longer the lead of USB, they seem to be pushing LightPeak^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HThunderbolt instead of USB3 so they can regain control) |
| [18:08:32] | techmik: | i was talking to you guys the other day, i think...... right now, i am just trying to record to the pc the output to my tuner that is receiving is signal from my cable box....... i am transferring my cable-box-dvr recordings via that |
| [18:09:20] | techmik: | once i get all my stuff transferred, then i plan to use myth to actually shedule the recordings and such |
| [18:09:47] | techmik: | and i see that my current equipment is not the best for that, i'll get a real card by then |
| [18:09:48] | sphery: | why not just have mythtv record them for you :) |
| [18:09:52] | sphery: | on rerun, etc. |
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| [18:10:44] | techmik: | because of the problem i am having getting the configuration right.... |
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| [18:12:31] | techmik: | i actually boot into winndows on my laptop, plug in te usb tuner, start the aver media center that came with it, start the dvr, record, stop the recording, stop the dvr, convert using mc-tv converter from a 3.5gb 1 hour mpg to a 500mb mp4, boot back to linux..... |
| [18:12:56] | techmik: | totally absurd |
| [18:13:02] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, Intel says 10% of servers will run Atom chips by 2015 |
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| [18:14:03] | jams: | haha |
| [18:14:17] | jams: | maybe they mean little nas boxes |
| [18:14:38] | techmik: | my goal is to remove the whole windows section from that last statement.... just start the dvr, record the output from the cable box, done =) |
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| [18:18:33] | JEDIDIAH__: | cable box? sounds like time to buy a HD-PVR. |
| [18:19:25] | techmik: | i get phone cable and internet thru camocast, so that aint changing.... |
| [18:19:32] | techmik: | comcast |
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| [18:22:33] | ** CyberKnet wonders how worthwhile it is to include a BD-ROM in a front end build for the purpose of playing back BD purchased from the store. ** | |
| [18:24:28] | JEDIDIAH__: | there seems enough developer interest in BD to be confident in that sort of thing. |
| [18:24:36] | JEDIDIAH__: | I stream everything from my backend though. |
| [18:25:12] | Shadow__X: | so being able to play a bd directly from disk is coming to linux? I thought it wsa very far off from happeneing |
| [18:25:20] | JEDIDIAH__: | BTW, there is a tool roughly equivalent to lsdvd for BDs. It's one of the same programs in the libbluray source. |
| [18:26:09] | NewBuntu81: | Hi All. I'm reading http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/LIRC, and it says that mceusb was removed from the lirc 0.9.0 kernel. Why would they remove it? Don't most people have mceusb devices? |
| [18:27:23] | wagnerrp: | all the lirc drivers were removed |
| [18:27:28] | wagnerrp: | theyre now actually part of the kernel |
| [18:27:30] | NewBuntu81: | as of kernel 2.3.36+...ok i guess i'm safe with that |
| [18:27:38] | wagnerrp: | and the lirc 0.9.0 package is just the userland programs |
| [18:27:42] | NewBuntu81: | ok |
| [18:27:43] | wagnerrp: | lircd, irexec, irsend |
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| [18:28:45] | techmik: | i am very confused...... if this ok usb adapter is capable, along with the software included for free, of recording in windows with minimal setup, and in good quality, why cant i, with configuration personalization, accomplish basically the same thing in linux? other than this, the *only* thing i need windows for is netflix...... |
| [18:29:07] | techmik: | i mean the hd-pvr is $200! |
| [18:29:37] | wagnerrp: | techmik: if by good quality, you mean poor quality with crappy software encoding |
| [18:29:50] | wagnerrp: | the HDPVR is... HD |
| [18:29:59] | wagnerrp: | your USB adapter is standard definition |
| [18:30:14] | wagnerrp: | in which case, the comparable product would be an PVR-150 for $20 used |
| [18:30:30] | techmik: | would you like me to dropbox one of the 500 mb 1 hr videos i made via the method i mentioned? |
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| [18:30:48] | techmik: | the quality is not bad |
| [18:30:57] | wagnerrp: | but, its standard definition |
| [18:31:08] | techmik: | its surely not the exact same as watching it live on the actual tv.... |
| [18:31:12] | wagnerrp: | you are trying to compare a standard definition product with a high definition one |
| [18:31:28] | wagnerrp: | of course the high definition product is going to be considerably more expensive |
| [18:31:41] | wagnerrp: | in addition, the HD one is a hardware encoder |
| [18:31:51] | wagnerrp: | since you cannot send uncompressed HD video over USB |
| [18:32:01] | wagnerrp: | it just doesnt have the throughput |
| [18:32:04] | techmik: | no.... i am clear that to accomplish what i want in HD quality i need another product, i get that... no problem.... but..... |
| [18:32:28] | wagnerrp: | but... if you want standard definition, get a standard definition encoder card |
| [18:32:35] | wagnerrp: | such as the much much cheaper PVR-150 |
| [18:32:35] | techmik: | i am trying to i guess "do what i can" with the device i have |
| [18:32:42] | techmik: | i se |
| [18:32:44] | techmik: | see |
| [18:32:44] | wagnerrp: | what you can do is digital capture |
| [18:32:56] | wagnerrp: | that USB tuner will function just fine as a digital tuner |
| [18:32:57] | sphery: | you can use a USB capture card as a paperweight... :) |
| [18:33:06] | wagnerrp: | (assuming its a hybrid tuner, rather than just an analog capture device) |
| [18:33:29] | sphery: | and for usb frame grabbers, that's probably a good use for them |
| [18:33:40] | techmik: | not trying to be dense, but are you saying to give up on trying to use myth with the current usb i am using? |
| [18:33:46] | techmik: | yes, its hybrid |
| [18:33:56] | techmik: | aver volar max h826 |
| [18:33:57] | wagnerrp: | no, as a hybrid tuner, it will work just fine for digital broadcasts |
| [18:34:12] | wagnerrp: | you _can_ use it for analog capture |
| [18:34:17] | wagnerrp: | but i would not bother with it |
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| [18:34:23] | techmik: | i had to downgrade my kernel and follow special instructions just to build the driver... |
| [18:34:30] | wagnerrp: | on windows, i would still not bother using it for analog capture |
| [18:34:35] | NewBuntu81: | Any idea what might cause this when trying to restart lirc? lircd: otherwise delete stale lockfile /var/run/lirc/lircd.pid |
| [18:34:35] | NewBuntu81: | [FAILED] |
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| [18:34:58] | wagnerrp: | framegrabbers should not be used for recording, unless youre doing high end video editing |
| [18:35:14] | techmik|anon: | gotta make my game of thrones recordings for non-hbo having friends =) |
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| [18:36:36] | sphery: | techmik: we don't want to know about that practice |
| [18:36:41] | wagnerrp: | honestly, its a shame there are so many on the market |
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| [18:37:03] | wagnerrp: | the only reason digital tuners are hybrid tuners, is because it costs them next to nothing to make it do so |
| [18:37:26] | techmik: | so to sum up, get a pvr-150 for now, and eventually the hd-pvr..... |
| [18:37:26] | wagnerrp: | its a few cents more per part, and now they can advertise analog support |
| [18:37:32] | techmik: | correct? |
| [18:37:58] | wagnerrp: | to sum it up, if you are doing analog with mythtv, or windows mce, or sagetv, or gbpvr, or... any other software pvr, you want a hardware encoder |
| [18:38:30] | techmik: | composite output from cable box to tuner.... |
| [18:38:32] | wagnerrp: | its somewhat different on windows, since the hardware manufacturers actually spend the time to get their stuff to work seamlessly with windows mce |
| [18:38:43] | techmik: | i HATE windows mce |
| [18:38:46] | wagnerrp: | but everything else, its not worth the hassle |
| [18:39:34] | techmik: | except for netflix viewing, it blows.... you cant even set up for tv viewing if you dont have an ir blaster.... basically no option to say "i'll change the channel myself" |
| [18:40:07] | wagnerrp: | well, mythtv expects you to have an ir blaster, or some other means of changing the channel on the tuner |
| [18:40:20] | techmik: | yes, but it doesn not work without it |
| [18:40:37] | techmik: | its not "deal-breaker" |
| [18:41:01] | wagnerrp: | i mean if you dont have that, then you cant schedule recordings, so whats the point? |
| [18:41:19] | wagnerrp: | the ability to use '/bin/true' as a bypass is really only for debugging purposes |
| [18:41:20] | techmik: | seriously, you cant pass the step in setup of cable box in mce... it says it cannot find ir device and you cannot continue.... |
| [18:41:51] | sphery: | techmik: btw, if you are set on capturing your previously-recorded shows from the old DVR, you probably want to use something other than MythTV for that (then just stick those recordings into MythVideo). |
| [18:41:53] | techmik: | again, for the recording to pc that i do, i dont really need the sceduling |
| [18:42:03] | techmik: | i'l change the channel, i am sitting right here =) |
| [18:42:19] | sphery: | since MythTV requires you to schedule recordings, it's not ideal for "record this now until I say stop" |
| [18:42:25] | techmik: | ah |
| [18:42:27] | techmik: | really? |
| [18:42:37] | wagnerrp: | mythtv != vcr |
| [18:42:47] | sphery: | cat or dd is much easier (at least with a hardware encoder) |
| [18:43:05] | wagnerrp: | the hauppauge hardware encoders |
| [18:43:14] | wagnerrp: | you just 'cat /dev/video0 > some_file.mpg' |
| [18:43:14] | sphery: | then you can tell MythTV to record the re-runs for you and get them "directly" into recordings |
| [18:43:24] | wagnerrp: | and ctrl-c when youre done recording |
| [18:46:30] | techmik: | so if i understand you correctly, i should probably forget the pvr-150, keep doing my silly windows method to record my old stuff, and get the 1950 when i can |
| [18:48:14] | sphery: | or get a pvr-150 or 1950 and start using mythtv, but just do your "one off" recordings from the old DVR using cat or dd or ... |
| [18:49:05] | wagnerrp: | if you are not intending to set up an IR blaster, or serial, or firewire, or network, or something to allow mythtv to control your cable box |
| [18:49:15] | wagnerrp: | and record directly into mythtv using mythtv's scheduler |
| [18:49:15] | techmik: | oh, you mean the 150 will give me basically the same quality recording as what i am making now, since its not actually recording in hd |
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| [18:49:26] | wagnerrp: | then you shouldnt be using mythtv, or any other PVR for that matter |
| [18:51:14] | techmik: | why do i need it to change the channel for me? i am right here...... i am on disability an always here..... i dont need unattended recording, just recording and playback and storage.... |
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| [18:51:31] | wagnerrp: | if you dont need unattended recording, then you dont want a PVR |
| [18:51:35] | wagnerrp: | thats the whole purpose of a PVR |
| [18:51:47] | sphery: | PVR-150 will give you quality limited primarily by the source content (i.e. what you pipe into it) and NTSC (the old analog TV format--which was the weak link in the chain, not the encoder or hardware) |
| [18:51:53] | techmik: | dont you ever record a good sporting event that you are watching? |
| [18:52:15] | wagnerrp: | sure, but if thats all youre doing, use the DVR from the cable company and leave it at that |
| [18:52:40] | sphery: | techmik: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/387302#387302 <-- why recording makes more sense than watching "Live", even for sports events |
| [18:52:42] | techmik: | and when the pos from the cable company crashes hdd and i lose my recordings? |
| [18:53:22] | techmik: | see, thats how it all began, with failing cablebox hdds |
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| [18:53:32] | sphery: | his point is that if you can't let MythTV record unattended, you don't have MythTV--you have a glorified VCR |
| [18:53:37] | wagnerrp: | then you use a capture card, and a video capture program, to manually copy the recording from the dvr to the computer |
| [18:53:48] | techmik: | i said" i want to transfer all this to my computer which i can make backupsd of" |
| [18:53:48] | sphery: | (though even VCRs could tune channels themselves) |
| [18:54:04] | wagnerrp: | or you get something like a tivo, which can use cablecard, and supports backup of (some) recordings to a computer |
| [18:54:18] | techmik: | yes, they could, but tey also had "one touch record" |
| [18:54:38] | wagnerrp: | techmik: that is simply not what PVR software is designed to do |
| [18:54:40] | sphery: | right, but MythTV is not a VCR, so ... |
| [18:54:45] | wagnerrp: | it can be shoehorned into that purpose |
| [18:55:02] | sphery: | if you plan to keep recording with the DVR and just make backup copies, don't use MythTV |
| [18:55:02] | wagnerrp: | but youre going to waste a lot of time configuring it, and forcing it into that role |
| [18:55:14] | wagnerrp: | rather than just use your existing method of a simple video capture program |
| [18:55:35] | sphery: | mythtv is a scheduled TV recording application... if you don't need that, use a program designed for what you want |
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| [18:56:10] | techmik: | i am about 8 months into linux, never seen it before that, so you'll have to excuse some ignorance on my part,.... when i told more linux knowledgeable people what i wanted to do, they all said that mythtv is what i wanted...... |
| [18:56:32] | wagnerrp: | thats because they thought you wanted to record tv |
| [18:56:35] | wagnerrp: | which mythtv does great |
| [18:56:40] | wagnerrp: | but you dont want to record tv |
| [18:56:43] | sphery: | if you plan to copy your old recordings once, then start using MythTV, with a LIRC device to change channel on your set-top box cable receiver, and using scheduled recordings, then MythTV is great |
| [18:56:48] | wagnerrp: | you want to capture video off your DVR |
| [18:57:04] | techmik: | wait |
| [18:57:36] | techmik: | i would stop recording to the dvr built into te cable box if i could get the same quality recording to the pc |
| [18:57:42] | sphery: | techmik: the important part being that MythTV should /replace/ the garbage DVR from your cable company (so all you need is the set-top box) |
| [18:58:14] | techmik: | which is what i am tryiing to do, while at the same time transferring exisating recordings... |
| [18:58:16] | sphery: | techmik: you'll get better quality recording once rather than record (lossily), play back, record again (also lossy) |
| [18:58:34] | CyberKnet: | much. |
| [18:58:35] | techmik: | i can understand that |
| [18:58:46] | sphery: | however, if you're talking SDTV, the amount of loss is likely to be small (compared to the bad quality that is NTSC) |
| [18:59:10] | techmik: | everything i dvr to the cable box is in hd |
| [18:59:23] | sphery: | so get an HD-PVR and DVR with MythTV :) |
| [18:59:38] | sphery: | quality of HD-PVR recordings is very high |
| [18:59:59] | techmik: | i see that now as the final goal |
| [19:00:02] | techmik: | but |
| [19:00:03] | sphery: | and the difference between it and digital capture is small enough that you won't really notice unless you really look for differences |
| [19:00:23] | techmik: | can i really do nothing with what i have is one question |
| [19:00:35] | sphery: | what you have? |
| [19:00:46] | techmik: | the aver usb tuner |
| [19:00:52] | sphery: | the USB frame grabber? or the old recordings on the old DVR |
| [19:00:54] | techmik: | that i have been trying to get working |
| [19:01:19] | techmik: | hopefully, the old recording will wait til i get the 1950 |
| [19:02:06] | sphery: | well, it might be possible to make it work, but if it's a frame grabber, it will be challenging and the end result will be low-quality analog recordings of standard-definition content that's corrupted by being transmitted to the tuner via NTSC |
| [19:02:26] | techmik: | but i wouldnt mind even standard quality wit my existing tuner, if it will work at all... which leads to the obvious question of does it give audio and video in linux at all |
| [19:02:26] | sphery: | so it's a lot of work for something that someone who's used to HDTV recordings is likely to find unacceptable |
| [19:02:39] | techmik: | i see |
| [19:02:44] | sphery: | PVR-150 is very little work for something that someone who's used to HDTV recordings is likely to find unacceptable |
| [19:02:58] | sphery: | HD-PVR is very little work for something that someone who's used to HDTV recordings is likely to find acceptable |
| [19:03:16] | techmik: | ok, so.... |
| [19:03:38] | techmik: | right now, do the windows method and copy to videos and watch in myth..... |
| [19:03:39] | sphery: | and coupled with MythTV, can be a huge upgrade from the garbage software on the cable-co DVR (not to mention the whole issue of you being able to control and ensure hardware usage/quality/reliability) |
| [19:03:46] | techmik: | get the pr 150 |
| [19:03:50] | techmik: | pvr |
| [19:04:06] | techmik: | til i can affords th 1950 |
| [19:04:40] | techmik: | i can use the 150 to stop using windows |
| [19:04:52] | sphery: | the 1950 will only allow you to receive unencrypted "ClearQAM" channels in HDTV |
| [19:05:49] | CyberKnet: | that means basically your local free to air channels |
| [19:05:54] | sphery: | anything encrypted will require an external STB to decrypt and output, and the only analog input for the HVR-1950 is NTSC or baseband (composite) |
| [19:06:10] | sphery: | and HBO is almost definitely encrypted |
| [19:06:14] | techmik: | so i cxant just record *anything" that comes out of the cable box? |
| [19:06:22] | sphery: | (so will be Game of Thrones) |
| [19:06:26] | CyberKnet: | My cable company sends the local free to air HD channels over QAM – EVERYTHING else is encrypted. |
| [19:06:35] | sphery: | techmik: out of the cable box, yes--because it will decrypt for you |
| [19:06:53] | sphery: | techmik: however when it comes to record via the cable line, only unencrypted |
| [19:07:05] | techmik: | thats what i was picturing.... in form outside to cable box to hvr-to computer |
| [19:07:17] | sphery: | so if you want channels that are encrypted, you need a cable box to decrypt and it has to output via an analog encoding |
| [19:07:21] | CyberKnet: | techmik: for that you need hdpvr |
| [19:07:24] | sphery: | for the HVR-1950, you can use composite |
| [19:07:30] | sphery: | for the HD-PVR, you can use component |
| [19:07:48] | techmik: | i use composite from the cable box right now |
| [19:07:54] | sphery: | component supports HDTV, composite is VCR-quality SDTV (basically NTSC format) |
| [19:08:01] | techmik: | yes |
| [19:08:06] | wagnerrp: | techmik: do you ever intend to record digitally? |
| [19:08:09] | sphery: | yeah, so you don't get HDTV |
| [19:08:12] | techmik: | yellow red white... not the 5 outputs |
| [19:08:16] | sphery: | right |
| [19:08:24] | sphery: | and it only supports standard def |
| [19:08:39] | wagnerrp: | you dont want to be recording composite, you want to record svideo |
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| [19:08:53] | techmik: | wagnerrp: eventual goal? yes |
| [19:09:14] | wagnerrp: | then your existing tuner will work fine for that purpose |
| [19:09:18] | wagnerrp: | you dont need another digital tuner |
| [19:09:24] | wagnerrp: | unless of course, you want multiple digital tuners |
| [19:09:25] | sphery: | techmik: remember that recording digitally only allows recording unencrypted digital |
| [19:09:36] | sphery: | so only what your cable company doesn't "protect" on their lines |
| [19:09:56] | wagnerrp: | check http://www.silicondust.com/support/channels |
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| [19:10:10] | wagnerrp: | to see what you can expect unencrypted from your cable company |
| [19:10:33] | sphery: | techmik: also, sounds like this could be a useful read for you: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable |
| [19:10:34] | techmik: | that brings my to te same question as before..... as log as i am recording the output from the cable box, i can record anything i see, correct? |
| [19:10:40] | sphery: | it tries to break down your options |
| [19:10:47] | techmik: | thx |
| [19:10:54] | techmik: | i love good links to read =) |
| [19:11:09] | wagnerrp: | with analog capture, you record exactly what is output from your cable box |
| [19:11:22] | wagnerrp: | with digital capture, you record only what your cable company sends unencrypted |
| [19:12:02] | techmik: | even thru the box? really i had no idea..... |
| [19:12:11] | wagnerrp: | you cant record digitally from the box |
| [19:12:16] | wagnerrp: | unless youre talking about firewire capture |
| [19:12:30] | wagnerrp: | in which case you can only record those channels the cable box does not encrypt |
| [19:12:33] | techmik: | i know nothing about firewire at all |
| [19:12:36] | wagnerrp: | in other words, the 'copy freely' channels |
| [19:13:26] | sphery: | and if you have the cable company's "digital cable" package, you're probably not going to record it "digitally" because it's encrypted. So, instead, you use the set-top box to output it using an analog connection, and then record that using an analog encoder (like the PVR-150 or HD-PVR) |
| [19:14:06] | sphery: | i.e. the cable box converts it from cable-co encrypted digital to unencrypted analog, allowing you to record it |
| [19:15:09] | wagnerrp: | if you want to mess around with mythtv right now |
| [19:15:23] | wagnerrp: | you can plug your hybrid tuner straight into the cable line, and set it up as a DVB tuner |
| [19:15:41] | wagnerrp: | at which point you should be able to record, at minimum, the local broadcast channels |
| [19:15:45] | techmik: | isnt that what i have been doing? |
| [19:15:50] | techmik: | oh |
| [19:15:59] | wagnerrp: | no, youve been connecting it to the cable box |
| [19:16:00] | techmik: | i am using the output from the box |
| [19:16:03] | techmik: | right |
| [19:16:05] | wagnerrp: | im saying connect it directly to the wall |
| [19:16:55] | wagnerrp: | and while you can use the analog portion of that card |
| [19:17:02] | wagnerrp: | most people just find it to be a huge hassle |
| [19:17:09] | sphery: | digital from the wall, analog from the box :) |
| [19:17:17] | wagnerrp: | and have abandoned their framegrabbers for hardware encoders like the hauppauge products years ago |
| [19:19:53] | techmik: | ok.... i am going to just use windows for now with my crappy usb cause it accomplishes my short term goals, and i guess wait on mythtv til i get the hd pvr |
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| [19:20:39] | techmik: | thank yo for all the explanations |
| [19:22:09] | sphery: | good luck |
| [19:22:39] | sphery: | it is unfortunate that recording with mythtv gets so complex, but that's what industry encryption does :( |
| [19:23:08] | wagnerrp: | and thats the whole purpose of it |
| [19:23:30] | wagnerrp: | make it so complex to use your licensed content in any manner but the ones they explicitly control |
| [19:24:16] | sphery: | yeah, and it works well |
| [19:24:37] | sphery: | which is why TiVo had to resort to sueing everyone rather than making a fortune by providing good, easy-to-use DVRs |
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| [19:39:43] | CyberKnet: | Too bad instead they didn't sue Cable Labs and get us all access to the hardware we need :) |
| [19:39:49] | CyberKnet: | s/need/want/ |
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| [19:43:24] | ** CyberKnet considers if the HD-PVR is evil in the same way that Wine is evil. ** | |
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| [19:43:43] | wagnerrp: | wine is not evil |
| [19:43:46] | CyberKnet: | heh |
| [19:43:58] | CyberKnet: | I've seen the argument made many times... I've never been on the "is evil" side. |
| [19:44:10] | wagnerrp: | no, it says so right in their name |
| [19:44:15] | wagnerrp: | Wine Is Not Evil |
| [19:44:20] | CyberKnet: | hah |
| [19:44:56] | CyberKnet: | The whole "it enables vendors to continue to provide windows-only programs instead of encouraging them to make direct ports (or purpose built versions) for linux"... |
| [19:45:21] | wagnerrp: | thats a bunch of crap |
| [19:45:29] | wagnerrp: | those vendors couldnt care less about linux |
| [19:45:31] | CyberKnet: | well, yeah! |
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| [19:50:21] | wagnerrp: | its like viruses and crapware |
| [19:51:00] | wagnerrp: | the moment it becomes economically viable to target viruses for linux desktop users, it will be viable to sell big budget games for it |
| [19:52:12] | sphery: | but we'll have to wait our turn--after all, Android and iOS are where the target should be, now |
| [19:55:03] | CyberKnet: | heh |
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| [20:05:25] | lapion: | does anyone have any experience using 2 dib7000 sticks on one system |
| [20:05:26] | lapion: | ? |
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| [20:13:44] | techmik: | wow! guess what i just found in one of my "old" pc's? a wintv hauppauge card!! |
| [20:14:10] | wagnerrp: | not all hauppauge wintv cards are hardware encoders |
| [20:14:16] | wagnerrp: | what card specifically? |
| [20:14:35] | techmik: | trying to tell now.... |
| [20:14:43] | techmik: | on the card itself..... |
| [20:14:54] | techmik: | ntsc/ntsc-j |
| [20:15:02] | techmik: | 48512 rev I126 |
| [20:15:10] | techmik: | i think its a 250 |
| [20:15:20] | techmik: | my sister gave it to mee years ago |
| [20:15:35] | wagnerrp: | a PVR-250 should work fine |
| [20:15:39] | wagnerrp: | assuming it still works |
| [20:15:41] | techmik: | woohoo! |
| [20:15:43] | techmik: | lol |
| [20:15:55] | techmik: | let ya know...... i'll be back...... |
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| [20:22:56] | wagnerrp: | sphery: do you know of a page on the wiki describing how the slave shutdown/wake stuff works? |
| [20:23:18] | sphery: | no, but we really need one |
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| [20:23:32] | sphery: | and need to better document the multiple shutdown/wakeup approaches |
| [20:23:39] | wagnerrp: | was that added in 0.22? 0.23? |
| [20:23:54] | sphery: | so once we understand all the stuff that's there, we can start consolidating code |
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| [20:24:23] | sphery: | [20084] |
| [20:24:23] | MythLogBot: | SVN 20084: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/663cd898 |
| [20:24:32] | sphery: | that's the best docs I know of |
| [20:24:35] | wagnerrp: | sounds like 22 |
| [20:24:43] | sphery: | yeah, think so |
| [20:25:34] | sphery: | undocumented settings... :( |
| [20:25:44] | sphery: | (and un-gui-configurable) |
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| [20:49:27] | techmik: | yay!! http://pastebin.com/H088JLMP |
| [20:49:53] | sphery: | nice |
| [20:50:13] | sphery: | that's one that you can do the cat from /dev/video0 (or whatever) to record stuff |
| [20:50:36] | techmik: | now, back t mythtv-setup... connected to cablebox thru svideo and rca white and yellow for sound |
| [20:50:38] | sphery: | ebay shipping must be very fast, now |
| [20:50:46] | techmik: | lol |
| [20:51:01] | sphery: | where'd you end up finding one? friend or something? |
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| [20:51:46] | techmik: | old computer in closet |
| [20:51:51] | sphery: | sweet |
| [20:51:56] | techmik: | never used it |
| [20:52:03] | techmik: | the card, not the pc =) |
| [20:52:03] | sphery: | should be a lot easier to set up than the frame grabber |
| [20:52:10] | sphery: | which distro are you on? |
| [20:52:24] | techmik: | 11.04 ubuntu, latest .24 mythtv |
| [20:52:50] | sphery: | latest 0.24 mythtv meaning you are using the fixes repo: http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos |
| [20:52:55] | sphery: | if not, PVR-250 won't work |
| [20:52:56] | techmik: | yes |
| [20:52:59] | sphery: | ok, cool |
| [20:53:04] | sphery: | should be all set, then |
| [20:53:09] | techmik: | you uys directed me there th other night |
| [20:53:17] | sphery: | and, btw, mythbuntu is a great choice for mythtv |
| [20:53:23] | techmik: | i had been using built into ubuntu version |
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| [21:04:34] | NewBuntu81: | Anyone able and willing to assist with a LIRC configuration/troubleshooting for an mceusb device? |
| [21:06:18] | techmik: | wow..... cat /dev/vidoe0 > movie.mpg is perfect now...... |
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| [21:22:00] | techmik: | and it works with mythtv too, just a hint of jerkiness..... |
| [21:24:42] | wagnerrp: | there should be no jerkiness in the video |
| [21:24:58] | wagnerrp: | jerkiness in the file itself would be from IO contention |
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| [21:25:16] | wagnerrp: | jerkiness in playback would be due to bad playback settings |
| [21:25:42] | wagnerrp: | nearly any processor from the past 10 years should be able to handle those recordings |
| [21:28:23] | techmik: | i see.... its a little jerky if i tell the frontend on the laptop to watch live tv thru the server on the desktop |
| [21:28:46] | wagnerrp: | laptop, meaning wireless? |
| [21:28:49] | techmik: | but on the same machine as the backend the frontend is beautiful |
| [21:28:52] | techmik: | no |
| [21:28:59] | techmik: | no wireless, wiredf |
| [21:29:03] | techmik: | wired* |
| [21:29:08] | wagnerrp: | what is this laptop? CPU? graphics? |
| [21:29:37] | techmik: | quad core 2ghz mobile radeo 9200 i think |
| [21:29:42] | techmik: | radeon |
| [21:29:52] | wagnerrp: | plenty of processor |
| [21:29:54] | techmik: | yup |
| [21:29:59] | wagnerrp: | but if youre running linux/mythtv on that laptop |
| [21:30:00] | techmik: | no problem |
| [21:30:04] | wagnerrp: | the graphics may be a problem |
| [21:30:22] | wagnerrp: | ATI hardware support in linux is notoriously bad |
| [21:30:43] | techmik: | as long as the pc that runs the backend, which is my main machine, can also record for me, it's all good |
| [21:30:56] | techmik: | i can watch from anywhere ok |
| [21:31:11] | techmik: | watch the recording i mean |
| [21:32:55] | techmik: | radeon 4200 |
| [21:33:28] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, just saw the email that spurred your btrfs comment earlier... guess that guy didn't see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/480590#480590 (which also said it would be the default in F16) |
| [21:34:32] | wagnerrp: | major btrfs features such as raid and lvm capabilities will not be forced onto users |
| [21:34:46] | wagnerrp: | however such features are the whole purpose of using such a filesystem |
| [21:34:54] | techmik: | thank you again for all your help |
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| [21:38:39] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [21:39:06] | sphery: | kind of like saying, "F16 will include MythTV by default. Major MythTV features like TV recording and viewing will not be forced onto users." |
| [21:39:40] | sphery: | so I still don't get this "loss of resolution" with passive glasses |
| [21:39:50] | wagnerrp: | or like using ZFS, but just storing everything on root, with no snapshotting |
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| [22:08:38] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so, Nintendo announced their Wii U (successor to Wii console) at E3 and reviewers were talking about how its HD graphics "blew the PS3 out of the water". But since it's over a year away and there are no titles for it, yet, they had used a collection of video from XBox 360 and PS3 games for the video. |
| [22:09:13] | sphery: | I think some of these guys may have also reviewed a certain hardware decoder's deinterlacer |
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| [22:26:35] | Beirdo: | Wii U? |
| [22:26:53] | Beirdo: | nice name |
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| [22:30:45] | sphery: | Beirdo: perhaps it grew up and is going for a degree? |
| [22:31:10] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [22:31:25] | Beirdo: | still a better name than "iPad" |
| [22:31:26] | sphery: | or maybe the guy who was supposed to name it forgot about the assignment, then heard an ambulance siren right before the meeting where he told everyone the name |
| [22:31:29] | Beirdo: | now with wings |
| [22:31:44] | sphery: | Wii-U, Wii-U, Wii-U |
| [22:32:07] | Beirdo: | nice |
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| [22:46:48] | NewBuntu81: | they could have marketed the wifi abilities and called it wii-fi |
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| [23:34:50] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: you in? |
| [23:34:55] | wagnerrp: | sphery: well six years later, i would surely hope it had much better graphics than the previous generation |
| [23:34:58] | wagnerrp: | yeah, just now |
| [23:35:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [23:35:10] | Beirdo: | if you are running currentish master... |
| [23:35:19] | Beirdo: | could you try a mythbackend --version |
| [23:35:30] | wagnerrp: | currentish, from before your merges |
| [23:35:40] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [23:35:45] | Beirdo: | well, try one there too |
| [23:35:51] | Beirdo: | for me, it's deadlocking |
| [23:36:10] | Beirdo: | trying to destroy a QMutex, it seems, and I don't have a CLUE why yet |
| [23:36:23] | Beirdo: | just wanted to see if others have the same behavior |
| [23:36:49] | Beirdo: | mythfrontend --version works perfectly... on the backend, it spews the version info and hangs trying to quit |
| [23:37:35] | wagnerrp: | http://pastebin.com/bhgnAKrN |
| [23:37:57] | Beirdo: | interesting |
| [23:38:15] | Beirdo: | it's not giving me the invalid argument, but it seems to be the same general issue |
| [23:38:24] | Beirdo: | and that's before new-logging? |
| [23:38:43] | wagnerrp: | 5241f65 |
| [23:39:27] | wagnerrp: | which was gigem's recoding rule filter support |
| [23:39:32] | Beirdo: | right |
| [23:39:33] | Beirdo: | OK |
| [23:39:48] | Beirdo: | so it's not a new issue, it seems. Thanks. |
| [23:39:57] | Beirdo: | it's buggered in two seemingly similar ways |
| [23:41:10] | wagnerrp: | well it does quit properly |
| [23:41:13] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt hang |
| [23:41:19] | Beirdo: | well, I know what I'm hunting for now |
| [23:41:20] | wagnerrp: | if that is different behavior |
| [23:41:31] | Beirdo: | but still spews mutex-related dtor issues |
| [23:41:36] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [23:41:50] | Beirdo: | for me it just hangs in the QMutex dtor |
| [23:42:03] | Beirdo: | so I think it's likely the same funky mutex somehow |
| [23:42:26] | wagnerrp: | same issue, manifesting differently? |
| [23:42:34] | Beirdo: | quite possibly. |
| [23:42:41] | Beirdo: | chance what the heck it actually is |
| [23:43:23] | Beirdo: | it's running nearly identical code paths in the frontend and backend |
| [23:43:30] | Beirdo: | up to that point anyways |
| [23:44:39] | Beirdo: | I'll go chase my tail on it for a bit |
| [23:45:07] | Beirdo: | thanks for the confirmation :) |
| [23:46:04] | wagnerrp: | no problem |
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| [23:47:12] | Beirdo: | http://pastebin.com/GWg0Ur70 |
| [23:47:20] | Beirdo: | that's the backtrace when I attach to it |
| [23:48:05] | Beirdo: | so I'm gonna look in the protoserver code for now, but I dunno what it's smoking, to be honest |
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| [23:49:05] | wagnerrp: | huh... libmythprotoserver stuff shouldnt even be running in either mythfrontend or mythbackend |
| [23:49:20] | Beirdo: | that's what I thought too |
| [23:49:35] | Beirdo: | nothing would be RUNNING yet, it hasn't even started the app, really |
| [23:49:40] | wagnerrp: | i mean i intentionally kept it separate, rather than converting mainserver over to it |
| [23:49:50] | Beirdo: | but there's a possibility of something odd there |
| [23:49:50] | wagnerrp: | so there could be some larger use of the application for testing |
| [23:49:56] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [23:50:31] | Beirdo: | I'm only looking there as the text is in the backtrace |
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| [23:53:29] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i wouldn't doubt that a mid-low end nVidia 5-series chip has more graphical power than the PS3 |
| [23:53:36] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:53:38] | Beirdo: | found it |
| [23:53:45] | Beirdo: | or seem to have |
| [23:53:51] | wagnerrp: | i do something stupid? |
| [23:53:58] | Beirdo: | not that I can tell |
| [23:54:01] | Beirdo: | but... |
| [23:54:40] | Beirdo: | if I #if 0 out the QMutex and the contents of the function in requesthandler/fileserverutil.cpp |
| [23:54:44] | Beirdo: | it no longer hangs |
| [23:55:04] | Beirdo: | so WHY that mutex would be an issue, I don't know at this point |
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| [23:55:28] | Beirdo: | but that was the only bare mutex in the libmythprotoserver dir |
| [23:55:41] | Beirdo: | so that was my starting point of hackage |
| [23:56:00] | sphery: | wagnerrp: they were talking quality of video that's output |
| [23:56:13] | wagnerrp: | and that was copied verbatim from mainserver.cpp |
| [23:56:17] | sphery: | (which was actually video captured from xb360 and ps3) |
| [23:56:33] | wagnerrp: | so theyre just being completely retarded |
| [23:56:40] | sphery: | not specs of processor (which, TTBOMK, Nintendo hasn't actually described) |
| [23:56:49] | sphery: | yeah, caught up in the hype |
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| [23:56:53] | wagnerrp: | not in so many words |
| [23:57:07] | Beirdo: | OK, wagnerrp: I will have a patch for you shortly to try if you would like |
| [23:57:11] | wagnerrp: | most concrete ive heard is its a POWER 7 derivative |
| [23:57:22] | wagnerrp: | and thats not really even concrete |
| [23:57:41] | wagnerrp: | but merely an assumption from the claim its using the 'same brains as Watson' |
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| [23:58:04] | sphery: | ugghhh, what a terrible way of describing things |
| [23:58:29] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: http://www.beirdo.ca/~gjhurlbu/test/unbork-mbe-version.diff |
| [23:58:42] | sphery: | anyway, thought it was funny that the reviewers said X is better quality than X (thinking they were comparing X and Y) |
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