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| [01:03:36] | wagnerrp: | lousy backtrace |
| [01:03:45] | wagnerrp: | its not actually giving me the line error that its failing in |
| [01:03:59] | wagnerrp: | its giving me the method that is failing |
| [01:04:06] | wagnerrp: | but its referencing some line number in qlist.h |
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| [02:06:10] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: you around? |
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| [04:04:59] | hoolio: | is mythtranscode the best way to transcode a myth recording |
| [04:05:01] | hoolio: | ? |
| [04:05:32] | hoolio: | i want to transcode a movie and move it over to mythvideo |
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| [04:28:46] | hoolio: | or nuvexport or mythnuv2mkv? |
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| [04:53:47] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: a bit late, but I am now |
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| [04:56:49] | hoolio: | I'm trying mythnuv2mkv |
| [04:58:48] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: oh please, not more code segments in #defines that should be functions/methods |
| [05:02:00] | Beirdo: | Those get to be a PITA to debug should they go sideways somehow |
| [05:04:01] | [R]: | i love code in #defines |
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| [05:11:30] | Beirdo: | oh. wagnerrp: did you create any new threads in all that cool stuff? |
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| [05:20:14] | Beirdo: | oh crud |
| [05:20:23] | Beirdo: | now to fix mythmediaserver :) |
| [05:20:34] | Beirdo: | to use the new commandline parser |
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| [06:48:01] | Guest61829: | any experience with Homerun HDHR3-EU and DVB-C |
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| [06:50:18] | justinh: | nope. what are you looking to find out? |
| [06:51:47] | Guest61829: | It identifies as a DVB-T tuner within Mythtv, and I am missing out on certain frequencies when scanning for channels |
| [06:52:58] | justinh: | can't you do a tuned scan, where you *give* the scanner a frequency to try? if the cable provider is doing stuff by the book the other transports will be 'advertised' & pulled in that way |
| [06:53:48] | Guest61829: | I tried a tuned scan, then I find the channels; but mythtv is unable to tune to those channels afterwaRDS |
| [06:56:28] | Guest61829: | it gives errors like: HDHRSH(1220114B-1) Error: DeviceSet(channel qam:514000000): ERROR: invalid channel |
| [06:57:18] | justinh: | starting to smell like it's not supported in mythtv yet |
| [06:58:22] | Beirdo: | I thought it was supposed to be |
| [06:58:38] | Beirdo: | could be something simple, of course |
| [06:58:48] | [R]: | dvbc uses qam? |
| [06:59:51] | Beirdo: | oh crap, gotta wait a few minutes to restart the backend |
| [06:59:57] | justinh: | all digital systems use QAM |
| [07:00:48] | Beirdo: | maybe not the same flavor of QAM, though |
| [07:02:16] | justinh: | well no, there's qam16, qam32... qam64.. qam128, qam256 ... |
| [07:02:56] | Guest61829: | my local cable provider uses qam64 |
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| [07:04:13] | Beirdo: | kaboom |
| [07:04:17] | Beirdo: | sigh |
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| [07:06:59] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: your new FileSystemInfo coredumps |
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| [07:14:09] | Beirdo: | I think I got it |
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| [07:22:06] | hipitihop: | Can someone please point me a definitive reference as to the various algorithms being used commercial flagging |
| [07:22:14] | Beirdo: | sure |
| [07:22:15] | Beirdo: | the code |
| [07:22:19] | hipitihop: | heh |
| [07:23:22] | hipitihop: | is that code still being developed ? who is the main contact ? |
| [07:24:06] | justinh: | sigh |
| [07:24:26] | justinh: | what do you think you need a reference to the algorithms for? |
| [07:24:33] | Beirdo: | all of the code is still being developed |
| [07:24:38] | Beirdo: | this is open source :) |
| [07:26:41] | justinh: | probably something to do with something not working as expected. that tends to be the reason people ask |
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| [07:30:19] | Beirdo: | yup, or someone wanting to leverage the code. Either way, the code's the best reference |
| [07:30:34] | Beirdo: | unless we wanna "hire" some technical writers, of cousre |
| [07:31:07] | justinh: | I've seen the code.. it's not so bad to make out – and *I* don't have a clue |
| [07:31:22] | justinh: | I dunno what people want in terms of code comments.. a line by line account?! |
| [07:33:15] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [07:33:31] | Beirdo: | well, we could use some documentation that's not code |
| [07:33:44] | Beirdo: | but I hate doing it, as do most coders |
| [07:33:56] | Beirdo: | and to get it done right, you need a techwriter |
| [07:34:31] | justinh: | bleh |
| [07:34:33] | justinh: | no point |
| [07:34:38] | hipitihop: | sorry guys, distractions from the real world here, reading your comments.... |
| [07:34:50] | justinh: | what?! |
| [07:34:55] | justinh: | you think I'm imaginary?! |
| [07:35:21] | hipitihop: | :-) not at all, just that I don't get paid to code on myth |
| [07:35:27] | justinh: | does anybody?! |
| [07:35:39] | hipitihop: | who knows |
| [07:35:41] | ** justinh feels he missed a trick ** | |
| [07:37:16] | hipitihop: | so the reason I sak is two fold ... I want to better understand the techniques being used so as to gauge accuracy in context of specific mix of channels here in Aus and secondly I want to understand the sort of resources required |
| [07:37:38] | justinh: | there is no 'accuracy' as such |
| [07:38:09] | justinh: | it's primarily ALL geared to respond to patterns of video which are prone to appear in US TV programming |
| [07:38:47] | justinh: | broadcasters in other parts of the world vary from those patterns somewhat – and thus – royally bugger up mythcommflag's ability to spot ad breaks |
| [07:39:29] | hipitihop: | I realize that, but my use here in aus has been very positive to date, there only seems to be one specific case which it does not seem to detect |
| [07:40:09] | hipitihop: | the case is when a station begins a commercial break to what they call here "station promo" |
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| [07:41:07] | justinh: | it all tends to rely on there being blank frames or scene changes of sufficient magnitude in a certain period of time |
| [07:42:07] | hipitihop: | so I am very interested to scope the feasibility of tweaking it to also better detect that case and to scope/scale what would be involved to do this real time |
| [07:42:47] | justinh: | real time? not likely |
| [07:42:53] | hipitihop: | I use real time loosely |
| [07:43:11] | justinh: | so have you even looked at the code yet? |
| [07:43:26] | hipitihop: | no this is a preliminary inquiry |
| [07:43:37] | justinh: | look at the code |
| [07:43:56] | hipitihop: | what is it written in ? |
| [07:44:01] | justinh: | C++ |
| [07:44:27] | justinh: | trying to remember when the last time was we talked about commflagging in great depth here.. wasn't too long ago |
| [07:45:08] | hipitihop: | immediately at a disadvantage for me personally, could roughly get the gist of what it is doing but hardly could jump in myself... would have to hire someone to do any work |
| [07:45:23] | justinh: | sigh |
| [07:45:33] | justinh: | this stuff isn't rocket science. honestly |
| [07:45:36] | justinh: | I' |
| [07:45:46] | justinh: | I'm not a C++ expert but I can just about make out what's going on |
| [07:45:59] | justinh: | I mean I generally don't have a flippin clue |
| [07:46:12] | hipitihop: | too many years coding in higher level oo lingos, in my ancient past did some C but even that would be poor at best by now |
| [07:46:22] | justinh: | seriously. Just look |
| [07:46:51] | hipitihop: | wil do... but does anyone have any feel for what sort of resources a mythflag process requires |
| [07:47:28] | justinh: | enough CPU grunt to decode the video at the kind of pace you require |
| [07:49:48] | hipitihop: | thanks, but that's all that is abit waving hands, I need to get a more specific grasp to contemplate the feasibility commflagging multiple channels simultaneously what sort of machine(s) would I need, could I do it 24 x 7 hence near real time |
| [07:49:59] | justinh: | oh god. not one of these again |
| [07:50:18] | justinh: | right. in Aus it's all mpeg2 yes? pretty straightforward |
| [07:50:24] | hipitihop: | sorry, should I be looking in archives, has this been discussed already |
| [07:50:47] | hipitihop: | yes re Aus afaict |
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| [07:51:17] | hipitihop: | when you say "one of these again" ... is there a thread I should refer to ? |
| [07:51:19] | justinh: | so why don't you *measure* the CPU time taken to flag one channel, maybe one SDTV & One HD... |
| [07:51:23] | Beirdo: | I do want to experiment some with using wavelet transforms to maybe speed it up |
| [07:51:30] | Beirdo: | but whi the heck knows |
| [07:51:39] | Beirdo: | it may end up slower |
| [07:52:11] | hipitihop: | I realise I can do it all mysefl and measure, but if this stuff was already documented somewhere, or someone knows the answer, it could safe hours of flagging runs |
| [07:52:17] | Beirdo: | and it would require a chuck of my time with no other code distracting me |
| [07:52:19] | justinh: | no, I mean oh no not one of these again.. as in people who want to commflag 24/7 automagically in realtime to do crazy retarded ideas like 'automorinically replace ads with my own' kind of crap |
| [07:52:51] | Beirdo: | my system will commflag all but HD H.264 in faster than real-time |
| [07:53:28] | justinh: | hipitihop: YMMV |
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| [07:53:53] | Beirdo: | but yeah. definitely YMMV |
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| [07:54:41] | justinh: | take some example video.. see what you get. add some value for headroom, maybe 10% or more.. then multiply that by the number of streams you'll want to do at the same time... |
| [07:55:12] | hipitihop: | guys will you be about for another 10 min, just need to jump on to something real work related, would love to dicsuss this further if I have your ear |
| [07:55:36] | justinh: | if this is for some commercial product I want paid :P |
| [07:55:57] | justinh: | bloody sick of being leeched off for free consulting |
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| [07:58:22] | hipitihop: | if such an approach is viable then there may well be a commercial opportunity for paid consult/coding |
| [07:59:21] | justinh: | oh and I'm still absolutely certain even public broadcasters will be likely to sue your ass off for removing ads from their content |
| [08:00:01] | justinh: | pretty sure the advertisers will be incandescent about it too |
| [08:00:08] | justinh: | see Tivo vs the world et al |
| [08:01:53] | hipitihop: | the application is not to remove content |
| [08:02:19] | justinh: | the application is to replace existing ad content with something else? Still guilty |
| [08:02:28] | hipitihop: | or to replace |
| [08:02:35] | hipitihop: | or to rebroadcast |
| [08:02:57] | hipitihop: | simply want to build up DB of where the breaks are. |
| [08:03:16] | justinh: | ah that's refreshing |
| [08:03:26] | hipitihop: | good, so we have some interest :-) |
| [08:03:32] | justinh: | oh wait a sec we have been here before |
| [08:03:51] | justinh: | advertisers over there getting a bit narked their slots are playing out late/never ... etc ;-) |
| [08:03:51] | hipitihop: | even better, someone solved it ? |
| [08:04:12] | justinh: | no, I remember somebody.. dunno how.. asking about this previously.. for that purpose |
| [08:04:30] | justinh: | company set up in the interests of verifying ads go out at the correct time etc etc |
| [08:04:42] | hipitihop: | hmm, would be good if you could remember specifics, some from Aus ? |
| [08:05:07] | justinh: | cos when you make an ad ($$$$), you spend $$$$ for it to be shown in a timeslot, you pretty much want it to go out when you paid for |
| [08:05:28] | justinh: | and Aus broadcasters have never been known for their timekeeping :P |
| [08:05:41] | hipitihop: | yep, but seperate issue, this is what they call monitoring to see that they got what they paid for |
| [08:06:00] | justinh: | this is the same thing some guy was on about ages ago |
| [08:06:10] | hipitihop: | justinh, where are you based if you don't mind me asking |
| [08:06:28] | justinh: | UK |
| [08:07:04] | hipitihop: | would this conversation "same thing some guy..." be in some archive ? |
| [08:07:13] | justinh: | this channel is logged, yada yada |
| [08:07:34] | hipitihop: | were you part of discuss ? |
| [08:08:09] | justinh: | I was here, probably chipping in my $0.02 |
| [08:08:26] | hipitihop: | Beirdo, when you say "my system will commflag all but HD H.264...." what do you mean by your system ? are you using some custom commflag plugin or you mean your hardware setup ? |
| [08:09:18] | Beirdo: | my hardware |
| [08:09:20] | hipitihop: | justinh, can I ask what you do ? |
| [08:09:21] | justinh: | hipitihop: pretty meaty system IIRC. h.264 is complex to decode & eats CPU to commercial flag |
| [08:09:40] | Beirdo: | it's an i7–860 |
| [08:10:06] | hipitihop: | how many commflag jobs could that handle simulataneously ? |
| [08:10:15] | Beirdo: | 1080i H.264 clocks in at around 20fps (not including logo search) |
| [08:10:23] | Beirdo: | and I run up to 4 at a time |
| [08:10:59] | justinh: | why don't any of you commercial application guys do ANY of your own bloody work |
| [08:11:02] | justinh: | ?>!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!One |
| [08:11:06] | Beirdo: | MPEG2 commflags take 200% CPU |
| [08:12:20] | justinh: | you can look up numbers all you want. you can ask people all you want. none of it will *mean* *anything* until you do your own testing to verify it |
| [08:12:24] | hipitihop: | justinh, I tend to think I do, but I certainly have learned over the years to not re-invent the wheel, so I ask questions first as I am never too proud to stand on the shoulders of giants |
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| [08:13:39] | justinh: | and you will *have* to verify it to prove everything |
| [08:13:55] | hipitihop: | I'd like to do some back of the napkin calculations (as google likes to refer to them) and if something seems viable then it is time to jump in and get dirty and do something yourself |
| [08:14:05] | justinh: | sigh |
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| [08:14:33] | justinh: | just take a few shows, do test flaggings & see what you come up with. this stuff isn't hard or timeconsuming |
| [08:16:13] | justinh: | and as for what I do... in real life I'm an SEO critic. I report everybody who advertises they 'do' SEO services as spam, and provide denial of service attack facilities to SEO organisations :-D (I wish) |
| [08:18:06] | justinh: | you think you have the basis of some 'product' or other but you don't know how it will perform on the kind of content you'll be looking at. Do some simple tests. Add some margin to budget for. It really isn't complicated |
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| [08:20:29] | justinh: | the frequency at which people like you lot embark on projects without having researched them yourselves first is frankly, annoying. Hell, where I work we've been selling a '150 Watt' PoE switch without actually having _first_ verified it _will_ actuall deliver 150 watts. I hope we get our arses sued to oblivion |
| [08:21:33] | justinh: | funnily enough, we are actually being sued at the moment for breach of trademark. Ha |
| [08:22:18] | hipitihop: | justinh, clearly I'm frustrating you, not sure why you are coming across touchy on this side of the glass, so I'll stop asking questions of you. I realise anything will need to be measured, these were meant to be preliminary questions on the back of a hair brained idea this afternoon and thought I'd get something to go on first before I kill a few hours experimenting and then trying to translate those numbers to something more realistic then some 2 |
| [08:22:19] | hipitihop: | bit atom based home pc which you obviously wouldn't consider for a commercial solution |
| [08:23:57] | justinh: | wow.. put "hipitihop commflag site:http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1" into google & see what comes out. More than enough experience in using commflagging so perhaps no excuse to have never measured it |
| [08:25:47] | justinh: | hipitihop: it boils my wee that people with commercial ideas hipitihop onto open source projects sapping their time for advice for their own gain. It always has |
| [08:26:14] | justinh: | even moreso when the questions they waste our time with could be answered themselves, in a very short space of time and with little effort on their part |
| [08:27:21] | tank-man: | hipitihop, if you are doing this 'project' to find the timestamps of when the breaks are, you can capture with SD resolutions and commflag in real time no problem |
| [08:28:10] | justinh: | tank-man: no he can't. with DVB you get what you git |
| [08:28:38] | justinh: | you git the resolution the broadcaster gives you |
| [08:29:22] | justinh: | there's been talk of reducing the scale of the picture commercial flagging looks at to speed things along a bit.. but that could affect accuracy in some cases |
| [08:30:42] | Beirdo: | justinh: won't work for H.264, unfortunately |
| [08:31:03] | Beirdo: | works great for MPEG2 |
| [08:31:32] | Beirdo: | ffmpeg's decoder can't do subsampling on H.264, so you need to decode full frame |
| [08:31:56] | justinh: | can h.264 be subsampled? if yes then it'll only be a matter of time ;) |
| [08:32:16] | Beirdo: | I would hope so :) |
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| [08:32:55] | hipitihop: | justinh, I think you are being very judgemental of me, and equating some question I asked as an end user some months back as a complete myhtv newbie to an idea I had this afternoon which could have commercial implications. If they did then I would be fully prepared to make sure that any consulting or coding needed was either fully paid for or if done by us, given back to the community. |
| [08:32:56] | justinh: | I'm guessing it can since I can play previews from my camcorder (AVCHD) full framerate but not full size (and no, if I convert em to uncompressed they play fine) |
| [08:33:18] | justinh: | hipitihop: any consulting fees would be wholly kept by the person doing the help |
| [08:33:28] | justinh: | there is no project 'fund' as such yet AFAIK |
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| [08:34:23] | justinh: | hipitihop: I'm not. I'm saying this stuff wouldn't take long to find out for yourself, and for a proper commercial case to be considered you need to do quite a bit of evaluation |
| [08:34:25] | hipitihop: | yes realise that |
| [08:35:05] | justinh: | you should know from your own experience that mythcommflag can do a few recordings in X hours, so it's not *that* big a deal |
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| [08:36:05] | justinh: | maybe you should er... consult.. the er... mythtv-consulting list |
| [08:36:27] | justinh: | er... group. not list |
| [08:36:40] | justinh: | rather than posing as a user asking innocent questions |
| [08:37:05] | hipitihop: | can you explain to me how I did that ? |
| [08:38:20] | justinh: | because it took quite a while for the fact this needed to be done 24x7 on a lot of channels to emerge.. and even after that you weren't specific about it being for a commercial application |
| [08:38:32] | justinh: | tends to be the way when companies come a-scouting |
| [08:38:44] | justinh: | as if they're ... ashamed or something |
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| [08:40:05] | justinh: | !!! I am SO in the wrong game: http://www.credativ.co.uk/services/support/pr . . . rder/mythtv/ |
| [08:40:06] | hipitihop: | so you are judging my intentions on some prior experience here or elsewhere |
| [08:40:25] | justinh: | no, I am judging you by what I have seen today |
| [08:40:58] | justinh: | "credativ has the largest dedicated open source support team in Europe, with the capability to offer up to 24x7 coverage for any MythTV installation. Our support contracts are priced competitively, starting at just £199 per month." |
| [08:41:34] | tank-man: | that 199 also covers the "free software used by the customer" |
| [08:41:36] | tank-man: | lol |
| [08:41:40] | Beirdo: | justinh: we need to do something to spoil their ride :) |
| [08:42:08] | justinh: | http://groups.google.com/group/mythtv-contractors?pli=1 is where people with commercial interests should look |
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| [08:44:13] | justinh: | hipitihop: anyway, you're no 'openivo'. I want that man killed |
| [08:44:28] | justinh: | did I say killed? I meant *silenced* ;-) |
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| [08:48:11] | hipitihop: | justinh, I have no idea why you are so bitter and specifically towards me. I'm aslo at a loss as to how I should have broached the original question without you getting some impression that I was "ashamed" or tried to hide something.. anyway, clearly you should have exercised your right not to respond to me in the first place. |
| [08:48:57] | justinh: | hipitihop: clearly you should have made it clearer your interest was purely commercial in the first place but I still would have told you to do your own tests |
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| [08:50:39] | justinh: | people coming in here, asking us how we can do their work for them. paid work |
| [08:50:50] | justinh: | it grinds my gears |
| [08:52:53] | hipitihop: | justinh, that is the only thing that you have managed to clarify ... why I have to take the brunt of those you describe that came before me have no idea... |
| [08:53:28] | hipitihop: | my original question "Can someone please point me a definitive reference as to the various algorithms being used commercial flagging" ... how you get "please do some free work for me" from that I don't know. |
| [08:55:19] | hipitihop: | apologies to others here for the noise. |
| [08:55:22] | justinh: | I remember this part of the argument happening before as well |
| [08:57:15] | justinh: | the *original* question was fair enough. where it led to was not. I smelled a rat as soon as 24/7 multiple channels were mentioned |
| [08:58:11] | justinh: | FWIW I think it would be nice if some company came along with an interest in commflagging, paid somebody to improve it & the improved code was submitted back to the project. It'd be *great* |
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| [09:03:48] | hipitihop: | If things needed to go in that direction then there is NO question that any real consulting or any coding would be on a paid basis and NO question that we would want resulting code available to the community. Even if we took the cost of developing something using our own resources, then it would be highly likely that anything of general benefit to the community would be made available. |
| [09:05:28] | justinh: | I never questioned that, or assumed anything other would be the case |
| [09:06:26] | justinh: | it's the 'is the esoteric information I'm after available anywhere?' stuff. Folks could, I'm sure, add commflagging stats to the wiki or something... I suppose |
| [09:07:22] | justinh: | maybe there are already some stats up there already. Safe to say that if a system can't play X recorded programmes at the same time it wouldn't be able to commflag X programmes in real time ;) |
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| [09:15:48] | hipitihop: | I'm not going to belabour your questions or what you accuse me of, we have wasted enough bandwith and time... I'm clearly guilty of not doing enough googling or searching through the wiki to get such stats so that I can do some napkin calculations. I also don't how many programs mythtv can play simultaneously either, but would assume different forces are at play in terms of rendering, offloading to graphics chip vs not etc too .. I was also quietly |
| [09:15:49] | hipitihop: | hoping that by coming here someone might say, "No, no such doc is available, but if you talk to XXXX he's wrote the code and you could engage him for a fee to discuss" |
| [09:16:57] | justinh: | it's all done in the CPU |
| [09:17:00] | justinh: | no offloading |
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| [09:18:29] | hipitihop: | I thought playback on NVIDIA for example was offloaded via vdaup or some such |
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| [09:18:47] | justinh: | playback is, sure |
| [09:18:53] | justinh: | commflagging ain't |
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| [09:24:26] | hipitihop: | ok, so you leave me puzzled why you say "Safe to say that if a system can't play X recorded programmes at the same time it wouldn't be able to commflag X programmes in real time" when playback performance may have no bearing on commflag, shrug, clearly I have wasted peoples time here today. Off to go and do some experiments |
| [09:24:52] | justinh: | *cpu* playback not GPU |
| [09:26:17] | justinh: | you're likely to going to need more than one box to record all the possible channels anyway, motherboards being what they are these days |
| [09:26:55] | justinh: | i.e. lame things with < 3 real PCI slots – and even pci-e boards seem to have small numbers of slots |
| [09:27:59] | justinh: | FWIW, VDPAU may as well not exist to me, which is why I don't consider it ;-) |
| [09:28:27] | justinh: | in any case when I start to use it, it'll likely only be for rendering anyway |
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| [12:11:29] | justinh: | hahaha can't wait to see this week's 'Click' |
| [12:11:39] | justinh: | they're looking at that "£15 computer" |
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| [12:54:06] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: yeah, thats what i was getting at |
| [12:54:21] | wagnerrp: | another program to write the command line parser for, and all those new verbose statements |
| [12:56:12] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: thanks for the filesysteminfo fix |
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| [12:56:27] | wagnerrp: | i had been testing its use in mythmediaserver, and it had worked fine there |
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| [15:31:21] | techmik: | i am having a very frustrating time trying to get set up...... when i tell my main pc to run mythtv-setup, it freezes right after hitting "ok" after entering password when it tells you it needs to shutdown the backend....... if i try to ssh in to the machine and do it that way, i get past that, but i keep getting "cannot connect to database" |
| [15:33:11] | techmik: | after it took me 2 days to get the tvtuner driver built and installed, i'd love to get myth working now.... |
| [15:36:41] | tank-man: | what was the "ok" button confirming? |
| [15:37:55] | tank-man: | you picked "ok" but what was the computer asking you? |
| [15:38:00] | techmik: | that i entered my password and wanted to stop the backend |
| [15:38:09] | techmik: | however |
| [15:38:20] | techmik: | if i hit cancel it also freezes |
| [15:38:45] | techmik: | the screen never un-grey's from the ask for password popup |
| [15:39:32] | tank-man: | I don't use a password with my setup, im not familiar with this situation |
| [15:39:47] | techmik: | you dont have a sudo password? |
| [15:39:58] | tank-man: | oh |
| [15:40:16] | tank-man: | i think i am able to run mythtv-setup as a normal user |
| [15:40:24] | tank-man: | i don't need to be root user |
| [15:40:34] | wagnerrp: | you need to be whatever user mythbackend is running as |
| [15:40:42] | wagnerrp: | mythtv-setup does a number of permissions checks |
| [15:40:59] | wagnerrp: | that only work if it is running as the same user, and thus incurs the same permissions, and the user running mythbackend |
| [15:41:05] | techmik: | i'm a little confused by that statement.... |
| [15:41:27] | techmik: | i am the only user, but the backend wiont shut without sudo password... |
| [15:41:34] | techmik: | wont* |
| [15:41:36] | wagnerrp: | no, there are dozens of users on your machine |
| [15:42:00] | wagnerrp: | if you are using sudo for everything |
| [15:42:05] | wagnerrp: | that means youre likely using mythbuntu |
| [15:42:11] | techmik: | omly when it asks |
| [15:42:12] | techmik: | no |
| [15:42:16] | techmik: | natty 11.04 |
| [15:42:19] | wagnerrp: | mythbuntu wraps mythtv-setup with their own script |
| [15:42:26] | wagnerrp: | natty 11.04... so youre running mythbuntu |
| [15:42:29] | techmik: | plain ubuntu |
| [15:42:34] | wagnerrp: | mythbuntu |
| [15:42:35] | techmik: | ah |
| [15:42:47] | wagnerrp: | if you install mythtv using the official ubuntu packages |
| [15:42:51] | techmik: | i did |
| [15:42:54] | wagnerrp: | you are running mythbuntu's blend of mythtv |
| [15:42:59] | techmik: | ok |
| [15:43:14] | wagnerrp: | in any case, their wrapper does their own stuff to ensure mythbackend is shut down when running mythtv-setup |
| [15:43:25] | wagnerrp: | their own stuff being to call the relevant startup script to manage it |
| [15:43:39] | wagnerrp: | since if they just manually terminated mythbackend, their startup script would start it right back up |
| [15:43:48] | wagnerrp: | and that requires root privileges |
| [15:44:09] | techmik: | but, when i type "mythtv-setup" thats the 1st thing it says... "backend must be shutdown", then it asks for my password to allow the shutdown |
| [15:44:18] | techmik: | i type it |
| [15:44:19] | techmik: | ok |
| [15:44:21] | wagnerrp: | yes, that is not yet mythtv-setup |
| [15:44:22] | techmik: | freeze |
| [15:44:25] | techmik: | ah |
| [15:44:26] | wagnerrp: | that is their wrapper script |
| [15:45:45] | techmik: | so it's not really freezing, btw, since i can still get in from ssh thru laptop |
| [15:46:16] | wagnerrp: | no, its the script that is stalled doing something |
| [15:46:21] | wagnerrp: | effectively locking the terminal in place |
| [15:46:31] | wagnerrp: | you should be able to ctrl-c and break out of whatever its doing |
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| [15:47:13] | techmik: | what if i try to run it thru ssh from the laptop? shouldnt i be able to connect to the database? |
| [15:47:35] | wagnerrp: | yes you should, unless again it locks doing whatever the wrapper script is doing |
| [15:49:02] | techmik: | no, it doesnt freeze thru ssh, just tells me "user" @ "remote" cannot connect using password "YES".... or using password "NO" |
| [15:49:07] | wagnerrp: | note that if you have to give your password when you run mythtv-setup |
| [15:49:15] | wagnerrp: | then you are running mythtv-setup as root at that point |
| [15:49:24] | wagnerrp: | and using root's config.xml rather than your own |
| [15:49:34] | wagnerrp: | if you have to subsequently give the database login credentials |
| [15:49:44] | wagnerrp: | that means your own config.xml for your user account is not configured |
| [15:49:50] | techmik: | it wants my pass to stop the backend, it seems, not to just run mythtv-setup, if that makes sense |
| [15:50:51] | techmik: | oh, so it may be trying to log me in to the database using my supplied creds, but it's looking for roots? |
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| [15:51:21] | techmik: | (apologize for my denseness... pretty noobish) |
| [15:51:51] | wagnerrp: | it looks for credentials in ~/.mythtv/config.xml |
| [15:52:01] | wagnerrp: | where ever your home for your current user may be |
| [15:53:23] | techmik: | k |
| [15:53:52] | techmik: | crap |
| [15:53:56] | ** wagnerrp heads out ** | |
| [15:54:08] | techmik: | ridiculous password is in theer...... |
| [15:54:13] | techmik: | there* |
| [15:54:19] | techmik: | thx much |
| [15:59:01] | tgm4883: | ridiculous? |
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| [17:09:24] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: no prob :) it crashed my backend on the first update :) Simple to fix, and I'm not quite sure why it didn't crash before your changes :) |
| [17:32:00] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: I have mythmediaserver converted to the new cmdline parser, and added a couple threadRegister/Deregister in the libmythprotoserver dir, but not sure I caught all the new thread instances |
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| [17:58:36] | wagnerrp: | the only threads it should be running are the delete thread and the process request threads |
| [17:58:59] | wagnerrp: | plus whatever qt is doing in the background with its listen server stuff |
| [17:59:04] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: ^^^ |
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| [18:05:58] | Beirdo: | OK |
| [18:06:05] | Beirdo: | I got those two |
| [18:06:24] | Beirdo: | and the listen stuff ends up just spawning the process request, IIRC |
| [18:06:26] | wagnerrp: | is that a problem with your stuff that the delete thread is transient? |
| [18:06:42] | wagnerrp: | actually, the PRTs exist as a separate thread pool |
| [18:06:59] | wagnerrp: | the listen stuff hands inbound connections and data to the PRTs |
| [18:07:10] | Beirdo: | correct |
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| [18:07:41] | Beirdo: | no, it's not a problem, I just put a thread register/deregister pair at top/bottom of the run() routine |
| [18:07:44] | Beirdo: | all is good |
| [18:08:00] | Beirdo: | if it's missing, the logs get a "thread_unknown" instead of the thread name |
| [18:09:03] | wagnerrp: | yeah, need to document that bit for when people start adding new threads |
| [18:09:18] | wagnerrp: | in fact, i should spend today building the doxygen stuff for the new library |
| [18:09:43] | Beirdo: | that would be cool :) |
| [18:09:47] | wagnerrp: | i know im one of the worst offenders about documenting my own code |
| [18:09:53] | Beirdo: | I should get some in for the logging too |
| [18:09:56] | Beirdo: | and mythsystem |
| [18:10:10] | Beirdo: | and the commandline parser (unless you wanna) |
| [18:10:37] | wagnerrp: | i can if you want me to |
| [18:10:51] | Beirdo: | sure, put it on the list to do "whenever" ;) |
| [18:10:52] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:11:39] | sphery: | and we should get new-logging in master :) |
| [18:12:02] | wagnerrp: | and we should get new-mythvideo-tables in master too |
| [18:12:14] | Beirdo: | sphery: I'm pretty much ready |
| [18:12:19] | Beirdo: | tonight, hopefully |
| [18:12:20] | sphery: | yeah |
| [18:12:30] | Beirdo: | I redid the --help output (finally) |
| [18:12:35] | sphery: | I was going to play with the msqlquery usage, today |
| [18:12:38] | Beirdo: | as it had been bugging me :) |
| [18:12:48] | wagnerrp: | oh? |
| [18:12:49] | sphery: | but I think all my stuff can be done in the branch or master |
| [18:12:58] | Beirdo: | now it will auto-wrap the help on the right hand side |
| [18:13:07] | sphery: | cool |
| [18:13:14] | wagnerrp: | ah, 80-character limits? |
| [18:13:17] | Beirdo: | only put \n in if you truly want a new line |
| [18:13:19] | Beirdo: | yeah :) |
| [18:13:39] | Beirdo: | it started wrapping and looking dumb, and I started getting pissy at it :) |
| [18:13:48] | sphery: | I need to get mythtvd done, too, now that mythfileserver is in |
| [18:13:51] | Beirdo: | so last night (well, this morning), I made it do what I want |
| [18:13:52] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [18:14:14] | Beirdo: | that was the last *grrrr* on my list, although a very minor one :) |
| [18:14:22] | sphery: | but I use a 40-column term, so we should add a setting for "help output wrap limit" |
| [18:14:43] | sphery: | (joke) |
| [18:14:47] | Beirdo: | we could link in ncurses and get the terminal width :) |
| [18:14:54] | sphery: | ooh, yeah |
| [18:14:55] | Beirdo: | I think we'll pass |
| [18:14:58] | wagnerrp: | sphery: for now, ive just got a very basic handler for the simple commands |
| [18:15:04] | sphery: | but don't use system ncurses, just put it in external |
| [18:15:09] | sphery: | that will make packagers happy |
| [18:15:17] | wagnerrp: | it accepts announcement of Monitor and Playback types |
| [18:15:38] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: I also fixed your application name :) |
| [18:15:42] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, just want to finish what mar kk was talking about since I have the plan for it and just need to finish the code |
| [18:15:44] | Beirdo: | heh. Hope ya didn't mind |
| [18:15:57] | wagnerrp: | and supports the load, uptime, hostname, memstats, and timezone queries |
| [18:16:04] | sphery: | wagnerrp: oh, btw, I totally agree about flashpoint... I don't think the personal lives stuff should be there, either |
| [18:16:06] | wagnerrp: | its enough to get a listen server up from that point |
| [18:16:10] | Beirdo: | you had mythmediaserver come up as "mythjobqueue" in the first line :) |
| [18:16:20] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: yeah, dont know how i missed that |
| [18:16:29] | Beirdo: | no biggie :) |
| [18:16:52] | Beirdo: | you guys really went to town while I had a well-deserved nap yesterday afternoon |
| [18:16:53] | wagnerrp: | sphery: actually, would your mythtvd need a proto server of any sort? |
| [18:18:26] | sphery: | I'm trying to decide how to send a credit card auth to an online retailer... trying to get a father's day present for my dad, and the store is afraid of the different billing/shipping addresses (even though the shipping addy is authorized on my credit card account), so wants an auth form. Can fax or e-mail, but I don't like the idea of the form being cached on random mail servers, etc., so I'm considering driving to a UPS store or ... |
| [18:18:28] | wagnerrp: | plus if we are going to start running multiple protocol daemons on a single system, were going to need to do something about the port usage |
| [18:18:32] | sphery: | ... whatever and having them fax it for $4 or whatever |
| [18:19:11] | wagnerrp: | IMHO, i would love to have the master backend store its protocol and xml ports in the database |
| [18:19:22] | sphery: | wagnerrp: no, mythtvd will just start the right daemon programs (mythbackend, mythmediaserver, mythjobqueue, and eventually, mythrecorder, mythpreviewd, ... or whatever we use) |
| [18:19:26] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: I wouldn't be opposed to that :) |
| [18:19:28] | wagnerrp: | and all other processes dynamically choose whatever is available |
| [18:19:29] | sphery: | it won't actually communicate with anyone |
| [18:19:31] | sphery: | will be very simple |
| [18:19:47] | Beirdo: | same goes for the frontend port |
| [18:19:51] | sphery: | might eventually add monitor support so it can restart when things die |
| [18:19:56] | wagnerrp: | right, all other applications |
| [18:20:06] | wagnerrp: | have them inform the backend where they are |
| [18:20:21] | wagnerrp: | and everything else queries the backend (rather than the database) to figure out how to directly connect |
| [18:20:28] | sphery: | and will likely have to pass through term/kill signals so that the system start/stop scripts only have to signal mythtvd and then it signals the rest |
| [18:20:55] | wagnerrp: | can you 'pass through' a -KILL signal? |
| [18:21:15] | Beirdo: | not that I know of |
| [18:21:22] | swerve: | mythbackend keeps dying while recording or trying to tune tv |
| [18:21:35] | Beirdo: | I'm not sure if you can even put in a signal handler for KILL |
| [18:21:36] | swerve: | nothing in the log, it's empty |
| [18:21:53] | Beirdo: | but then again, it's Monday morning, and I was up until 3am fiddling with code |
| [18:21:56] | Beirdo: | so... |
| [18:22:12] | Beirdo: | swerve: highly doubtful that nothing is logged |
| [18:22:25] | swerve: | then why is the log empty? |
| [18:22:37] | wagnerrp: | because youre looking in the wrong plave |
| [18:22:52] | wagnerrp: | mythbackend will not start without printing something to the logs |
| [18:22:54] | swerve: | /var/log/mythtv has been changed? |
| [18:22:57] | wagnerrp: | there /must/ be something in the logs |
| [18:23:05] | swerve: | so where are new logs |
| [18:23:10] | wagnerrp: | there is no default location that mythbackend stores to |
| [18:23:42] | wagnerrp: | actually, by default it logs to the terminal that ran it |
| [18:23:48] | swerve: | where do i set log, setup? |
| [18:24:03] | wagnerrp: | you set the log in whatever script you use to start mythbackend |
| [18:24:38] | swerve: | says it's set to /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log |
| [18:25:01] | swerve: | ARGS="--daemon --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log --pidfile $RUNDIR/$NAME.pid" |
| [18:27:25] | Beirdo: | does the running user have write access to the log (and directory even)? |
| [18:27:53] | wagnerrp: | do you have some log rotate daemon which is not HUPping your backend? |
| [18:28:05] | Beirdo: | Oh crap |
| [18:28:13] | ** wagnerrp HUPs his backend regularly ** | |
| [18:28:14] | sphery: | yeah, can't do kill... so I guess I can hope that system stop scripts all use term, instead? |
| [18:28:14] | Beirdo: | thanks for reminding me |
| [18:28:22] | Beirdo: | I need to add new support for HUP |
| [18:28:29] | Beirdo: | crappity crap. |
| [18:28:32] | wagnerrp: | HUP HUP HUP |
| [18:28:35] | Beirdo: | I guess not merging tonight :) |
| [18:28:52] | ** wagnerrp HUPs Beirdo ** | |
| [18:28:56] | sphery: | in truth, there's not much difference between a proper term of our daemons and a kill or crash :) |
| [18:28:57] | Beirdo: | all that crap got ripped out by the roots to be reimplemented |
| [18:29:05] | Beirdo: | and I haven't reimplemented it yet |
| [18:29:39] | swerve: | says it's started by user mythtv, which is both owner and group of var/log/mythtv directory |
| [18:29:46] | ** wagnerrp 's daemon is a standard Berkeley one ** | |
| [18:29:48] | sphery: | reimplementing will be a good thing, though--it was a mess |
| [18:29:54] | swerve: | should be able to write i guess |
| [18:30:21] | swerve: | altho has an s in permissions, never seen that b4 |
| [18:30:24] | swerve: | drwxrwsr-x |
| [18:30:45] | Beirdo: | sticky group. nothing odd about that |
| [18:30:54] | swerve: | but still owner:group should be able to write |
| [18:31:09] | Beirdo: | that means all files written there will have group set to the group ownership of the directory |
| [18:31:15] | swerve: | ok |
| [18:31:40] | swerve: | oh wait – owner group of the actual file is messagebus |
| [18:31:43] | swerve: | maybe that's why |
| [18:32:20] | swerve: | although there's a log.1 with same owner group that has data |
| [18:32:28] | swerve: | stopped in 2008 tho :p |
| [18:32:30] | wagnerrp: | thats a rotated log |
| [18:32:57] | wagnerrp: | and if your backend has been running for the last three years, and you forgot to HUP the backend |
| [18:33:04] | swerve: | yeah, nothing written or rotated since 4/13/09 |
| [18:33:05] | wagnerrp: | would be a good reason why nothing is being logged |
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| [18:33:15] | swerve: | 08 rather |
| [18:33:15] | wagnerrp: | (thats 2009) |
| [18:33:42] | swerve: | what is HUP? sorry, don't know that |
| [18:33:51] | wagnerrp: | kill -HUP |
| [18:33:56] | wagnerrp: | its a unix system call |
| [18:33:58] | swerve: | run that command? |
| [18:33:58] | wagnerrp: | hang up |
| [18:34:12] | wagnerrp: | in most programs, it tells them to close all their open files and re-open them |
| [18:34:37] | wagnerrp: | for situations such as this where they have to re-open log files after the ones they were writing to were rotated out from underneath them |
| [18:34:51] | swerve: | even if server rebooted many times? |
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| [18:35:10] | wagnerrp: | if the backend is not still running non-stop since 2008, thats not your problem |
| [18:35:19] | swerve: | ? |
| [18:35:28] | swerve: | oh i see |
| [18:35:34] | swerve: | no, a few reboots since then |
| [18:35:53] | wagnerrp: | is the process is restarted, it has the same effect, forcing the application to re-open those files for writing |
| [18:36:08] | wagnerrp: | the HUP is just a less disruptive means of doing so |
| [18:36:19] | swerve: | so still not understanding why it's not writing |
| [18:36:32] | swerve: | other /var/log files are writing |
| [18:36:35] | swerve: | syslog, etc. |
| [18:44:24] | fphillips: | what are the permissions and owner of your mythbackend.log? messagebus sounds like a dbus group, which would be wrong. |
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| [18:52:45] | wagnerrp: | oof |
| [18:52:58] | wagnerrp: | seems ive got a mere two minutes of battery |
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| [18:54:50] | swerve: | yeah, messagebus was wrong, not sure how/why it was set to that |
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| [18:54:59] | swerve: | set to mythtv and now it's logging |
| [18:55:07] | swerve: | no more terminal msgs tho |
| [18:55:20] | swerve: | any way to get both? |
| [18:55:53] | Beirdo: | not if you are running as --daemon |
| [18:56:15] | swerve: | oh sh00t – looks like memory errors |
| [18:56:19] | Beirdo: | that specifically is telling it not to output to the terminal as it will be running in the background |
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| [18:56:23] | swerve: | should have guessed, since i just put in new memory |
| [18:56:44] | Beirdo: | !trout swerve memtest+ |
| [18:56:44] | ** MythLogBot slaps swerve with a memtest+ trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
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| [18:56:53] | sphery: | this is why I never let unprivileged users (mythtv) write to /var/log... I put my MythTV logs in /srv/mythtv , along with all the MythTV data |
| [18:56:56] | Beirdo: | sorry, memtest86+\ |
| [18:57:10] | iamlindoro: | sphery: You're such an elitist |
| [18:57:23] | swerve: | headless server, not sure if memtest is going to help much... |
| [18:57:24] | Beirdo: | I put mine in /opt/mythtv/logs/${BRANCH} |
| [18:57:25] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [18:57:25] | sphery: | this is also why Beirdo's new-logging implementation is wonderful--it can use syslog to log to /var/log (since syslog is run as a user with privileges to /var/log) |
| [18:57:27] | iamlindoro: | You and your privileges |
| [18:57:33] | sphery: | iamlindoro: heh, that's me :) |
| [18:57:35] | swerve: | looks like mythtv has already memtested, tho :D |
| [18:57:59] | sphery: | Beirdo: yeah, mine is the same--except for your "optional packages" dir versus my "server data" dir |
| [18:58:06] | wagnerrp: | sphery is "privileged"? |
| [18:58:21] | sphery: | was born with a silicon spoon in my mouth |
| [18:58:33] | wagnerrp: | so thats why hes always holding the whip and getting other people to do his projects |
| [18:58:35] | wagnerrp: | :P |
| [18:58:41] | sphery: | heh, exactly |
| [18:58:42] | swerve: | *** glibc detected *** /usr/bin/mythbackend: malloc(): memory corruption: 0x0821a259 *** |
| [18:58:57] | swerve: | then tons of memory map errors |
| [18:59:08] | swerve: | wonder if it's clocked too high, put it on 'turbo' |
| [18:59:23] | swerve: | nothing else is OCed, though |
| [18:59:24] | sphery: | speaking of which, I wonder why wagnerrp hasn't chosen another project from my TODO list, now that he finished my command-line parser one (and got the mediaserver done in support of my mythtvd/backend-splitting one) |
| [18:59:30] | wagnerrp: | swerve: why did you overclock? |
| [18:59:44] | swerve: | didn't, just set the memory for turbo |
| [18:59:49] | sphery: | "turbo"... haven't heard that since my 486 days |
| [18:59:55] | swerve: | hahah! |
| [18:59:56] | sphery: | or was it 386? |
| [18:59:56] | wagnerrp: | sphery: mythmediaserver isnt breaking anything out of mythbackend |
| [18:59:58] | swerve: | really |
| [19:00:29] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, it's breaking media serving out (at least it means you don't have to run mythbackend to serve media files--which is good since people are abusing mythbackend for that) |
| [19:00:39] | Beirdo: | sphery: yeah well, standard filesystem need not apply to my machines :) |
| [19:00:42] | sphery: | so it still fits IMHO |
| [19:00:57] | wagnerrp: | ok, ill agree with that |
| [19:01:00] | sphery: | Beirdo: heh... you sound like MS ;) |
| [19:01:09] | Beirdo: | will mythmediaserver be able to do UPNP serving? :) |
| [19:01:16] | Beirdo: | sphery: you take that back! |
| [19:01:30] | Beirdo: | them's fighting words :) |
| [19:01:31] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: did not intend it |
| [19:01:43] | wagnerrp: | doesnt the upnp server stream recordings from slave backends? |
| [19:01:51] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: K. Guarantee you people will ask :) |
| [19:01:59] | Beirdo: | given the name of it and all |
| [19:02:05] | swerve: | #1 myth priority should be fixing jump file error, imho! |
| [19:02:06] | Beirdo: | yes, it does |
| [19:02:11] | sphery: | wagnerrp: also, regarding ports... TTBOMK, none of the changes I have in mind should require additional ports--all the daemons I'm considering will connect to a backend and take commands/pass data that way. None that I can think of will need their own listener |
| [19:02:17] | Beirdo: | jump file error? |
| [19:02:22] | ** Beirdo shrugs ** | |
| [19:02:28] | sphery: | with the exception of "backend replacements" like mythmediaserver |
| [19:02:41] | sphery: | which you've already handled (in theory by using the same backend ports) |
| [19:02:48] | swerve: | live tv error w/ 'jump program file' i think it's called |
| [19:02:56] | sphery: | live tv? what's that? |
| [19:03:12] | swerve: | something some people use |
| [19:03:17] | sphery: | oh, yeah, "Waste-Your-Life TV" (versus "On-My-Schedule TV") |
| [19:03:30] | sphery: | ;) |
| [19:03:46] | swerve: | waste = content, not time ;-) |
| [19:04:41] | sphery: | Beirdo: btw, I apologize for my earlier comment... so now you can finish the HUP stuff for my new-logging TODO, tonight |
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| [19:05:01] | swerve: | secretly i know error is put in intentionally to discourage ppl from livetv |
| [19:05:06] | Beirdo: | there we go :) |
| [19:05:07] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [19:05:11] | swerve: | but i won't tell anyone ;-) |
| [19:05:18] | wagnerrp: | whichiii |
| [19:05:19] | sphery: | heh, shhhhh! people will find out |
| [19:05:33] | Beirdo: | swerve: not many developers are likely to be active users of livetv, just so ya know |
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| [19:05:53] | swerve: | i gathered as much |
| [19:06:09] | sphery: | maybe when I rework playlists and watch recording filtering/sorting/(and add tags), fewer users will, too |
| [19:06:13] | swerve: | it's still a function of the program tho, so should work, imho |
| [19:06:19] | iamlindoro: | It's also unhelpful without context |
| [19:06:26] | iamlindoro: | Since it can be caused by lots of things |
| [19:06:30] | iamlindoro: | Logs are more helpful |
| [19:07:17] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i was thinking more of all the existing open ports |
| [19:07:24] | sphery: | yeah, jump program file errors can be cause by incorrect file permissions, slow capture hardware, capture hardware errors, different times on frontend backend (even as little as a minute or 2 difference), ... |
| [19:07:44] | wagnerrp: | the frontend control ports, http ports, and so on all have database settings |
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| [19:08:08] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ahhh... yeah, having existing ports in db wouldn't be a bad idea--was just hoping you hadn't found another issue in mythbackend split that I hadn't considered |
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| [19:08:43] | Beirdo: | the only static port that makes no sense to put in the database is the database port itself :) |
| [19:08:47] | wagnerrp: | sphery: well this would be a problem when splitting the jobqueue out |
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| [19:08:57] | wagnerrp: | although technically, that doesnt really need to listen |
| [19:09:18] | sphery: | oh, and jump program file errors can be caused by incorrect usage of NFS, or incorrect video source/input connections configuration |
| [19:09:22] | sphery: | so many things |
| [19:09:45] | Beirdo: | sphery: don't forget solar flares and lunar alignment |
| [19:09:46] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:09:46] | sphery: | it's the "prebuffering pause" of recordings--both are just generic errors describing the symptom of the problem, not the actual problem |
| [19:09:50] | swerve: | well, off to take down server, increase ram timings. hope that's it & i don't have to RMA |
| [19:09:53] | sphery: | Beirdo: and butterflies! |
| [19:10:02] | swerve: | thx all |
| [19:10:04] | Beirdo: | ah yeas |
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| [19:10:06] | sphery: | good luck |
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| [19:10:42] | iamlindoro: | Anyone who is messing with RAM timings is likely to be the kind of person insisting on advanced player settings |
| [19:10:56] | iamlindoro: | and a means of manually editing the DB for "advanced users like us" |
| [19:11:35] | zombor: | anyone know why i'd keep getting this in dmesg when trying to install a dvb card? "or51132: Waiting for firmware upload(dvb-fe-or51132-vsb.fw)" |
| [19:11:37] | zombor: | ive got the firmware in /lib/firmware |
| [19:11:57] | Beirdo: | it should say that |
| [19:12:10] | Beirdo: | it should also say when firmware upload has finished, I'm sure |
| [19:12:30] | zombor: | it says "No firmware uploaded(timeout or file not found?)" |
| [19:12:36] | hpeter: | hi |
| [19:12:46] | hpeter: | after a reinstall i'm trying to get the programm listings back on track |
| [19:12:56] | hpeter: | i have my tv_grab script configured an running |
| [19:13:09] | hpeter: | and mythfilldatabase --file 1 data.xml fills my programm table in the db |
| [19:13:21] | hpeter: | but no programm info does show up on mythfrontend |
| [19:13:26] | Beirdo: | zombor: fine, then it can't find your firmware (or permissions issues), or it timed out |
| [19:13:34] | hpeter: | so what is the identifier between channels and programm? |
| [19:13:43] | Beirdo: | anyways, that's a #linuxtv question more than #mythtv-users, I'm sure |
| [19:13:48] | zombor: | Beirdo: yes, i realize that, im asking why its happening though, i have the firmware in the right place |
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| [19:17:45] | sphery: | zombor: "the right place" is distro specific |
| [19:17:56] | sphery: | (and, to some extent, distro-version specific) |
| [19:18:11] | sphery: | i.e. don't trust random blogs--ask in your distro's channel or fora or mailing lists |
| [19:18:14] | wagnerrp: | who does the mediamonitor stuff? |
| [19:18:20] | zombor: | sphery: yeah, ive got it along with the other firmwares for the dvb card, and other modules for the card load fine |
| [19:18:25] | sphery: | wagnerrp: Nigel, primarily |
| [19:18:36] | sphery: | though I think stuartm had some interest in fixing it up |
| [19:18:57] | sphery: | zombor: then likely you have a bad firmware file or something? |
| [19:19:11] | zombor: | it's installed from gentoo's portage :( |
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| [19:19:36] | sphery: | or your distro has stuff in different places (possibly because it used to be in one and got moved to another, but the old stuff is still there) |
| [19:19:40] | Beirdo: | sphery: I'd love to squelch the pile of MediaMonitor spew messages on frontend startup :) |
| [19:19:51] | sphery: | there shouldn't be that much, now |
| [19:20:01] | wagnerrp: | sphery: capt'm's plan for that stuff is for it to get migrated into the mediaserver |
| [19:20:04] | sphery: | with the udev stuff |
| [19:20:20] | wagnerrp: | so instead of the frontend accessing such devices directly |
| [19:20:38] | wagnerrp: | you run the mediaserver on your frontend, and access it over mythprotocol |
| [19:20:41] | Beirdo: | 2011-06–06 00:15:10.556505 [6584] CoreContext mediamonitor-unix.cpp:398 (AddDevice) – MediaMonitorUnix::AddDevice() – empty device path. |
| [19:20:41] | MythLogBot: | SVN 6584: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/704eb6d8 |
| [19:20:45] | sphery: | (though many users are compiling without udev support--because, of course, they can't trust a packaging team that spends thousands of hours keeping up with how to build mythtv properly) |
| [19:21:03] | sphery: | ah, yeah, those are there... forgot about those |
| [19:21:07] | Beirdo: | like 16 times in rapid succession |
| [19:21:23] | Beirdo: | the one place log aggregation would definitely work :) |
| [19:21:34] | sphery: | you can get rid of those by specifying which devices that it /thinks/ it should scan should not be scanned |
| [19:21:49] | Beirdo: | or how about just not caring |
| [19:22:00] | Beirdo: | that shouldn't be VB_GENERAL or VB_IMPORTANT |
| [19:22:00] | sphery: | but that requires user config, so we should fix it to actually work without scanning random garbage on the device file system |
| [19:22:33] | sphery: | I think I put it back in general after nigel took it out after I asked him to take a couple others out and he thought I was demanding he take them all out |
| [19:23:07] | Beirdo: | heh. general|extra would even be nice (it might actually be that, I think I have extra on) |
| [19:23:40] | sphery: | don't think it's extra |
| [19:23:46] | sphery: | looking for the commit history |
| [19:24:45] | Beirdo: | heh, I gave you the file name and line # :0 |
| [19:25:55] | sphery: | yeah, but thought it would be easier to use gossamer than github's DoS code formatting page and annotate/blame page |
| [19:27:06] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:27:29] | Beirdo: | http://www.beirdo.ca/git/mythtv/ |
| [19:27:34] | sphery: | Beirdo: [21360] and [21944] |
| [19:27:34] | MythLogBot: | SVN 21360: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/0cc91a52 |
| [19:27:34] | MythLogBot: | SVN 21944: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/3f19fd94 |
| [19:28:00] | sphery: | the 2nd one being the "Also, while I was in mediamonitor-unix.cpp" part |
| [19:28:12] | antgel: | hi all. i think this will be simple for you lot... i have 0.24-fixes from git and just did a git pull / make. however mythfilldatabase is complaining. Application binary version (0.24.20101129–1) does not match libraries (0.24.20110505–1) does anyone have a clue? could it be the fact that i use ccache? |
| [19:28:57] | Beirdo: | sphery: different log message though |
| [19:29:22] | sphery: | ah, ok |
| [19:29:31] | Beirdo: | it's set as VB_IMPORTANT |
| [19:29:49] | Beirdo: | antgel: try a make distclean |
| [19:29:53] | sphery: | yeah, guess the add device ones weren't changed |
| [19:30:02] | Beirdo: | then make / make install again |
| [19:30:15] | Beirdo: | and also, perhaps clean out the installed headers |
| [19:30:17] | sphery: | antgel: also make sure you get all of the old libs and headers off your system |
| [19:30:23] | antgel: | the error message does suggest i do a make distclean but i'm reluctant – i just don't see why the binary version of mythfilldatabase is so old |
| [19:30:31] | sphery: | (all the mythtv ones, that is--not /all/ the libs and headers :) |
| [19:30:43] | antgel: | Beirdo, sphery: okay, will do, i know enough to just do as i'm told in here |
| [19:30:46] | Beirdo: | LOl |
| [19:30:46] | sphery: | antgel: you likely have multiple copies of libs, etc. |
| [19:30:49] | antgel: | but curious as to why it's needed |
| [19:31:18] | sphery: | in other words, if you don't do a make uninstall before you git pull, you may leave old garbage around |
| [19:31:23] | Beirdo: | because qmake may be pointing at the installed libs rather than the correct source ones. |
| [19:31:48] | sphery: | (make uninstall all the old mythtv before you update the repo because the new make uninstall won't remove the stuff that's been removed from the distro) |
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| [19:36:48] | antgel: | oh damn |
| [19:36:51] | antgel: | well, let's see |
| [19:39:26] | antgel: | so, hold on, if i do make uninstall -> clear out any cruft -> make install, do i still need to do the make distclean? |
| [19:40:32] | sphery: | antgel: likely, yes... you almost definitely need to for a reconfigure and rebuild |
| [19:41:11] | antgel: | well, it wasn't a re*configure* |
| [19:42:24] | antgel: | i'll do it on my slave first |
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| [19:42:35] | ThisNewGuy1: | hey all – I just upgraded to the latest from master and now when I try to record anything with my hdpvr I get the following error – can anyone help? TFW(/4002_20110606154100.mpg:-1), Error: Opening file '/4002_20110606154100.mpg'. |
| [19:42:35] | ThisNewGuy1: | eno: Permission denied (13) |
| [19:43:00] | sphery: | fix file system permissions? |
| [19:43:13] | ThisNewGuy1: | sphery – can you tell me what permission might be wrong? |
| [19:43:28] | ThisNewGuy1: | it was working fine before I git pull'd |
| [19:43:36] | sphery: | look at that file (and the entire directory structure leading up to it) and figure out what's borked :) |
| [19:44:25] | ThisNewGuy1: | it doesn't really mean "/" right – it's in my recordings dir somewhere? |
| [19:45:01] | sphery: | likely it means it's at the root of one of your SG dirs |
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| [19:45:18] | sphery: | but if it is trying to write to /, that would explain why you don't have permissions |
| [19:45:37] | sphery: | and then you only have to figure out why it's trying to use /, now |
| [19:46:02] | ThisNewGuy1: | the SGs look like legit permissions – any idea how I could figure out why it's using "/"? |
| [19:46:34] | Beirdo: | antgel: if you do a git pull, you should be doing a reconfigure |
| [19:46:50] | antgel: | Beirdo: wow. i look like a right muppet |
| [19:47:13] | Beirdo: | what if we change the contents of configure as part of the changes? :) |
| [19:47:15] | antgel: | Beirdo: i thought as it was the same major version it would be okay, and it has been reliable so far |
| [19:47:26] | Beirdo: | (and that does happen) |
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| [19:48:00] | Beirdo: | always best to be on the safe side and pretend it's a brand new compile, unless you're sure the changes don't require it |
| [19:49:04] | antgel: | right. i need to find my stow syntax |
| [19:49:17] | ThisNewGuy1: | sphery: none of the storage groups have "/" – they all have legit dirs (although some are links) |
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| [19:56:26] | ThisNewGuy1: | actually – there's a few more errors – does this log help at all: http://pastebin.com/HE61b2Vp |
| [19:57:47] | ThisNewGuy1: | "The unable to match" errors all come from files in my livetv dir |
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| [19:59:32] | stuartm: | can anyone recommend good, _cheap_ DVB-S2 tuners? |
| [20:00:43] | wagnerrp: | !url tuners |
| [20:00:43] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [20:00:47] | ** wagnerrp hides ** | |
| [20:01:34] | Beirdo: | stuartm: unfortunately, not many of us are in DVB-land (let alone DVB-S2 land) |
| [20:01:35] | stuartm: | heh, yeah :( |
| [20:02:17] | Beirdo: | ThisNewGuy1: umm, that looks borked. |
| [20:02:35] | stuartm: | Beirdo: yeah I know, I'm just racing to buy something tonight if possible so that I lose as few recordings as possible |
| [20:02:46] | ThisNewGuy1: | Beirdo: ? |
| [20:02:47] | Beirdo: | stuartm: understood :) I wish you luck |
| [20:03:21] | Beirdo: | ThisNewGuy1: looks like at least one of your storage groups is not accessible (at least that's what I gather) |
| [20:03:35] | wagnerrp: | presumably order tonight? |
| [20:03:38] | Beirdo: | likely all of the recording ones (default) |
| [20:03:40] | stuartm: | I've a great deal of respect for Hauppauge devices but their prices are over-inflated, their DVB-S2 tuner has actually gone up in price since launch (~2 or more years ago) instead of down |
| [20:03:49] | wagnerrp: | you still have electronic stores open at 8pm? |
| [20:04:02] | Beirdo: | stuartm: yah, good cards, but not cheap |
| [20:04:05] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: buy online for next day delivery |
| [20:04:10] | ThisNewGuy1: | beirdo: what do you mean by not accessible? they were accessible prior to doing a git pull |
| [20:04:35] | ThisNewGuy1: | did something change re: symlinks? |
| [20:04:38] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: but yes, we have a couple of stores open that late (well some nights of the week at least) |
| [20:04:39] | Beirdo: | ThisNewGuy1: I mean, it can't find your recordings... and can't find somewhere to record |
| [20:04:50] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: and if you need one with CI support, youre looking at several hundred dollars minimum |
| [20:04:57] | Beirdo: | ThisNewGuy1: did you re-setup after upgrading? |
| [20:05:01] | ThisNewGuy1: | I did not |
| [20:05:11] | wagnerrp: | people over here think our cablecard tuners are ridiculously expensive, sheesh |
| [20:05:14] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: CI not required, just S2 demodulation |
| [20:05:25] | Beirdo: | you might wanna go in there and make sure the storage groups are set right |
| [20:05:45] | Beirdo: | and if you also renamed your backend machine, tht's likely the issue |
| [20:06:07] | ThisNewGuy1: | Beirdo: I'll go check – but I didn't rename anything |
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| [20:09:31] | ThisNewGuy1: | Beirdo: the SGs look good – and if I record with a different storage group – e.g. Movies, it still fails |
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| [20:14:09] | Beirdo: | I dunno off hand. but that seems borked. |
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| [20:16:48] | CyberKnet: | *yawn* |
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| [20:18:37] | Beirdo: | getting bored out there in the middle of nowhere? |
| [20:19:42] | CyberKnet: | Yeah |
| [20:19:54] | CyberKnet: | My HDMI extender that I bought for cheap isn't working so well. (surprise surprise) |
| [20:20:11] | CyberKnet: | so I think I want to put in a dedicated frontend – but I want it really, really small. |
| [20:20:20] | CyberKnet: | and everything really, really small is ATOM afaik |
| [20:20:34] | wagnerrp: | mac mini? |
| [20:20:39] | CyberKnet: | I saw a Giada device that took an intel proc ... but it was a really old intel proc, not core i3, 5, 7 |
| [20:20:47] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: giving strong thought to it, yeah. |
| [20:21:29] | CyberKnet: | was hoping to find something cheaper than $700 ... but might have to. |
| [20:21:51] | wagnerrp: | http://www.giadatech.com/index.php?app=produc . . . ow&id=44 |
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| [20:22:39] | wagnerrp: | oof, no |
| [20:22:41] | wagnerrp: | you dont want that |
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| [20:24:46] | CyberKnet: | because of the intel GMA HD Graphic? |
| [20:25:12] | CyberKnet: | or the $439 barebones cost? |
| [20:26:44] | ThisNewGuy1: | beirdo: can you give me any pointers on where the storage group look up happens so I can try to debug? |
| [20:27:14] | devinheitmueller: | stuartm: in fairness, we volunteered to give you a board at *zero* cost if you could have gotten the IR support working under Myth. |
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| [20:27:44] | JEDIDIAH__: | there are asrock boxes that have i3's but they aren't cheap. |
| [20:29:06] | Beirdo: | ThisNewGuy1: git grep "Unable to match" |
| [20:29:12] | Beirdo: | that should find you the log message |
| [20:30:30] | ThisNewGuy1: | k |
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| [20:34:35] | CyberKnet: | looks like just the ASRock Vision HD ... 800 open box on newegg. |
| [20:36:52] | wagnerrp: | CyberKnet: no, because the i50 has a ULV processor |
| [20:36:58] | wagnerrp: | its an i3, but its only 1.2GHz |
| [20:37:05] | CyberKnet: | oh |
| [20:37:11] | CyberKnet: | I thought it was barebones where you add a CPU |
| [20:37:22] | wagnerrp: | while that far outpaces any Atom, its still well below the needs of mythtv |
| [20:37:29] | wagnerrp: | its a socketed processor, so you can replace it |
| [20:37:29] | CyberKnet: | right. |
| [20:37:49] | CyberKnet: | but the particular type doesn't scale to MythTV needs... I see. |
| [20:38:00] | wagnerrp: | but you have to replace it with another BGA-1288 processor of similar thermal range |
| [20:38:32] | wagnerrp: | i doubt it would accept a 35W processor |
| [20:38:43] | CyberKnet: | I believe you are right. |
| [20:39:00] | CyberKnet: | thermal dissipation is quite an important factor in this form. |
| [20:39:18] | wagnerrp: | and honestly, it really doesnt need to be |
| [20:39:25] | wagnerrp: | i mean the thing isnt moving |
| [20:39:33] | wagnerrp: | there no reason why it has to be /that/ small |
| [20:39:53] | wagnerrp: | double the size, and you can use all that extra space for a huge heatink |
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| [20:40:37] | CyberKnet: | Is ION2 VDPAU capable? |
| [20:41:30] | stuartm: | devinheitmueller: that is true, it was a generous offer for which I'm very grateful, it's a shame that X11 had to get in the way |
| [20:41:52] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, I hear you. |
| [20:42:00] | devinheitmueller: | Wow, that situation irritates me, and it's entirely not your fault. |
| [20:42:27] | devinheitmueller: | On the upside, *I* actually got mailed an HVR-4000 a few days ago, so I should be able to figure out why everybody keeps complaining that the channel scanner is broken. |
| [20:42:49] | antgel: | either stow is broken and /or i can't use it properly, but why should the order of installing packages with it matter *shudder* |
| [20:43:15] | antgel: | sorry for the ot-ness. anyway my rebuild finished, let's see if it fixes my mythfilldatabase version problem |
| [20:43:22] | devinheitmueller: | stuartm: the other problem you're likely to have is the only S2 board shipping that I know of (the 4400) isn't supported under Linux. |
| [20:43:59] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: you see that suggested ffmpeg commandline message in -users ML? I think that guy should feed his parrot. |
| [20:44:26] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: There seemed to be a lot of chatter about Tevii devices? Or did you just mean the only Hauppauge product? |
| [20:44:38] | devinheitmueller: | I was referring just to Hauppauge products. |
| [20:44:47] | iamlindoro: | ah, I see |
| [20:45:22] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: older Hauppauge products were supported under Linux, but they've been replaced. |
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| [20:48:41] | CyberKnet: | I figure that linux use is a pretty insignificant portion of Hauppauge's total sales... I wonder just how small that percentage is though. |
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| [20:49:45] | devinheitmueller: | CyberKnet: the work that Hauppuage does contribute is often tied to some corporate/OEM deal. But you are correct – it is *extremely* difficult to gauge the user base when talking about end-users buying cards and sticking them into Linux boxes. |
| [20:50:04] | stuartm: | what's the deal with the Nova-S2 HD? |
| [20:50:12] | antgel: | hey, can someone take a look at http://pastebin.com/G2e42H9M – for some reason i have a problem with the libraries now. i think they're in the right place with the right permissions |
| [20:50:24] | devinheitmueller: | stuartm: It uses a demod that isn't supported (the tda10071) |
| [20:50:34] | Beirdo: | devinheitmueller: especially when you count second-hand sales, although that does nothing directly for the company, of course. |
| [20:50:40] | stuartm: | devinheitmueller: ok thanks, that settles that then |
| [20:50:45] | devinheitmueller: | stuartm: if there were a demod driver, making it work with that board would be trivial |
| [20:50:59] | CyberKnet: | devinheitmueller: Understand my curiosity doesn't come from any place of dissatisfaction, annoyance or irritation, and isn't inferring that there is any lack of support given from Hauppauge. Just curiosity as to how insignificant my use case is :) |
| [20:51:08] | ** devinheitmueller actually has it running in the lab under Linux with the reference driver code. ** | |
| [20:51:12] | antgel: | crap |
| [20:51:19] | stuartm: | I've spent a bit too much money on other things this last month which is why I was looking for something cheap, but if it comes to it then I'll end up paying whatever is required |
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| [20:51:33] | Beirdo: | antgel: maybe put /usr/local/lib in your /etc/ld.so.conf and ldconfig |
| [20:51:42] | stuartm: | my usual go-to stores don't stock the HVR-4000 it seems |
| [20:51:43] | devinheitmueller: | CyberKnet: I understand where you're coming from. |
| [20:51:56] | devinheitmueller: | stuartm: I would be surprised if any of the retail outlets sell satellite boards. |
| [20:52:23] | stuartm: | devinheitmueller: the online places do, well some of them at least |
| [20:52:39] | devinheitmueller: | stuartm: Oh sure, the online places will have them – but not brick and morter stores. |
| [20:53:03] | antgel: | Beirdo: that's it! i just did ldd /usr/local/bin/mythbackend and the libraries weren't found, then i remembered to do ldconfig. i wonder why it didn't pick them up before, they were there in my previous install |
| [20:54:12] | stuartm: | think I'll just have to miss recording a few shows in HD and take the time to do some research |
| [20:55:19] | antgel: | mythfilldatabase is running! my parents will be chuffed! |
| [20:55:19] | devinheitmueller: | Satellite is just annoying because there a a bazillion inputs for tuning and you have to worry about whether the dish is pointing in the right direction. :-) |
| [20:55:32] | sphery: | ThisNewGuy1: "/" implies "root of SG" I was guessing--i.e. if you type /srv/mythtv/livetv as your Live TV SG directory, then check /srv and /srv/mythtv/ and /srv/mythtv/livetv and /srv/mythtv/livetv/filename.mpg |
| [20:55:34] | antgel: | thanks Beirdo and stuartm for putting up with my lack of compile-fu ;) |
| [20:55:52] | stuartm: | I can't say I didn't know this day was going to come, but I thought there would be a few days/weeks notice before they switched to S2 |
| [20:55:56] | sphery: | ThisNewGuy1: not sure if you figured it out, already--didn't read all of scrollback |
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| [20:56:22] | Beirdo: | stuartm: I know there have been messages avout the timing on -users ML for a week or two maybe |
| [20:56:35] | stuartm: | antgel: sorry, what did I do (or not do)? |
| [20:56:43] | Beirdo: | but with the noise level there, I'm not surprised if you chose to forgo that pleasure |
| [20:57:29] | stuartm: | Beirdo: heh, well not subscribing to the -users list was going to bite me eventually :) |
| [20:57:55] | Beirdo: | hehe. If I'd realized you weren't on there, I coulda punted it to ya |
| [20:58:07] | stuartm: | I subscribe to a couple of industry related rss feeds, I thought I'd get the heads up from those but seemingly not |
| [20:58:35] | devinheitmueller: | stuartm: I certainly cannot blame you. I largely just skim the subject lines. Hint to others who want my attention: better state the words "driver" or "Hauppauge" in the subject line. |
| [20:58:38] | stuartm: | ah well, that's life |
| [20:58:41] | Beirdo: | wow, it was only 4 days... OK, I thought it was longer than that |
| [20:59:42] | stuartm: | Beirdo: eugh, that's not much of a warning, but it might have prevented me from losing recordings tonight |
| [21:00:04] | Beirdo: | yah |
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| [21:01:16] | NewBuntu81: | Hi all. One of my frontends was Myth 10.10 and i upgraded it to 11.04. I'm now having problems with playback with my Nvidia 8400 GS. I can see my recordings, but get a msg saying "Failed to Load" when I attempt playback. Any thoughts? |
| [21:01:29] | stuartm: | which btw has inspired me to improve our error handling even more, those recordings failed on the HD channel but they could have gone ahead in SD, seems like we could use that capability of rescheduling on another channel/card if we find our preferred input to be offline |
| [21:01:39] | NewBuntu81: | And is there a preferred driver version for the Nvidia 8400 GS for Mythbuntu 11.04? |
| [21:01:58] | ThisNewGuy1: | sphery: I ran the backend as root and it wrote the file to "/" so it must think that's the real dir for some reason |
| [21:02:26] | Beirdo: | stuartm: I'm all for more reactive rescheduling :) |
| [21:03:15] | sphery: | ThisNewGuy1: if that's the case, you'll have to look at recent commits and see why it's ignoring live tv SG dir or why it's losing the dir |
| [21:04:17] | sphery: | however all that "Unable to match '6021_20110606153549.mpg' to any file system." garbage in the logs does seem to imply you have some problems with file system and/or SGs (not-mounted file system?) or at the least some orphaned recording metadata |
| [21:04:27] | sphery: | might want to check out http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Find_orphans.py |
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| [21:05:27] | antgel: | stuartm: i meant sphery, i blame tab auto-complete. ;) |
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| [21:09:33] | sphery: | antgel: heh, yeah, that can easily cause confusion... I got an irssi script that helps a lot of times, but I still get the wrong one sometimes |
| [21:09:40] | sphery: | glad you got the compile working |
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| [21:10:21] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: Duration: 00:52:04.86.... that one of the "premium" shows? |
| [21:10:28] | wagnerrp: | (e.g. Showtime/HBO) |
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| [21:11:28] | Beirdo: | I think that's a BluRay rip |
| [21:11:34] | Beirdo: | 38Mbit/s total? |
| [21:11:45] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but where would the extra 10 minutes come from |
| [21:11:51] | Beirdo: | commercials |
| [21:11:59] | wagnerrp: | all the network stuff is 42 minutes, maybe 44 with credits |
| [21:12:06] | Beirdo: | that's a 1h show, likely |
| [21:12:07] | wagnerrp: | why would you have commercials on a bluray? |
| [21:12:19] | Beirdo: | 1h – 8min of commercials is my bet |
| [21:12:24] | sphery: | or could be frame rate changes? |
| [21:12:35] | sphery: | so mis-calculated by our approximation? |
| [21:12:42] | Beirdo: | and... Episodes... Umm, which channel was that again? I forget. USA, mayte |
| [21:13:05] | wagnerrp: | anyway, the 38689 seems awfully high |
| [21:13:15] | wagnerrp: | but than that bitrate is something arbitrary stuffed into the TS stream |
| [21:13:26] | wagnerrp: | that may be the peak bitrate at one point in the file |
| [21:13:45] | JEDIDIAH__: | any commercials on a bluray are probably on a different title/playlist. |
| [21:13:46] | wagnerrp: | for everything, including the 4.5mbps of audio |
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| [21:14:00] | Newbuntu81-2: | Hmmm, so my problem is definitely with the Vdpau Normal profile. I can play recordings in CPU++ |
| [21:14:02] | Beirdo: | and with all those subtitle PIDs |
| [21:14:08] | wagnerrp: | JEDIDIAH__: i mean... all the network shows are 42 minutes (minus commercials) |
| [21:14:18] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...anymore |
| [21:14:19] | wagnerrp: | that show is 52 minutes, so would that be showtime/hbo stuff |
| [21:14:29] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...or just older |
| [21:14:44] | wagnerrp: | would be much older |
| [21:14:51] | Beirdo: | you are right |
| [21:14:54] | Beirdo: | Showtime |
| [21:14:58] | wagnerrp: | i dont recall shows having any more commercials now than they did when i was young |
| [21:15:01] | Beirdo: | I remember recording the series |
| [21:15:12] | Newbuntu81-2: | In Vdpau Normal, there are 2 lines. One has a 1 by it, one has a 2 by it. Which order are they supposed to go? |
| [21:15:13] | JEDIDIAH__: | they say the memory is the first to go... |
| [21:15:14] | Beirdo: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Episodes_(TV_series) |
| [21:15:40] | Newbuntu81-2: | Currently, my 1 is next to "if rez > 0 0-> vdpau..." |
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| [21:15:54] | Newbuntu81-2: | and my 2 is next to "if rez>=0 729->vdpau..." |
| [21:15:58] | ThisNewGuy1: | sphery: I think there are 2 different issues, the "unable to match" seems like it can't find my livetv recording dir for AutoExpire, the other issue is that it can't find a dir to record new shows |
| [21:16:18] | JEDIDIAH__: | Sci-Fi made a big deal about showing the uncut versions of Trek when they were first showing it. Took something like 90 minutes to show a whole episode with the extra amount of commercial padding. |
| [21:16:53] | JEDIDIAH__: | By Trek I mean TOS. |
| [21:17:10] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: OH! |
| [21:17:20] | wagnerrp: | episode is the name of the series |
| [21:17:20] | Beirdo: | with the shouting from your nick... my hearing will be the first to go. |
| [21:17:28] | Beirdo: | I'm thinking so |
| [21:17:35] | wagnerrp: | i thought it was just some generic name he chose |
| [21:17:44] | Beirdo: | Episodes being a show name... I could be wrong though :) |
| [21:17:52] | sphery: | ThisNewGuy1: sounds like both could be explained by a problem with your SG config or file system permissions |
| [21:17:58] | Newbuntu81-2: | "Failed to initialize video output" is my exact error. |
| [21:18:00] | stuartm: | well seems I owe Hauppauge an apology, so far in my search the other available hardware is making them look cheap |
| [21:18:01] | sphery: | again, check /every/ directory leading up to your SG live tv dir |
| [21:18:10] | JEDIDIAH__: | Old Trek comes in at 50m 30s |
| [21:18:16] | Beirdo: | it has been released to DVD/BluRay in the UK |
| [21:18:42] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: perhaps were you looking at the prices for the Nexus (hardware decoding) cards? |
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| [21:19:23] | ThisNewGuy1: | sphery: is there a special name for the live tv storage group? |
| [21:19:50] | sphery: | yeah, it's the one listed under Live TV button in Storage Directories in mythtv-setup :) |
| [21:20:02] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Episodes-Blu-ray-Matt . . . /B003ZSHLPG/ |
| [21:20:04] | sphery: | or maybe "LiveTV" button... don't remember which |
| [21:20:10] | Beirdo: | I'm betting it's right off that |
| [21:20:21] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: not that I'm aware of, stock is thin on the ground here but it's mostly the Nova-HD |
| [21:20:21] | CyberKnet: | newegg mac mini part # N82E16883104074 is a pretty old model, isn't it? |
| [21:20:47] | stuartm: | but according to devinheitmueller the current Nova-HD model is unsupported |
| [21:21:08] | sphery: | Beirdo: wow, guess they don't need to have as much space for commercials on those cable TV shows since you pay the cable TV channel directly with your cable subs |
| [21:21:19] | wagnerrp: | CyberKnet: yes, that is a very old version |
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| [21:21:51] | stuartm: | the Tevii ones don't seem too bad when you consider that they are dual-tuner, but I don't have the cabling laid in yet to make use of that |
| [21:21:54] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: OK... just making sure. No point throwing good money after bad and getting burned again. |
| [21:22:34] | JEDIDIAH__: | It won't do VDPAU or similar equivalents. not good if you've got blurays or a HD-PVR |
| [21:23:21] | devinheitmueller: | stuartm: I do assure you, I find it pretty embarrassing that there isn't *any* Hauppauge offering in this product class that is currently supported. |
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| [21:24:21] | JEDIDIAH__: | would mailing you examples of the unsupported hardware help? |
| [21:24:23] | wagnerrp: | CyberKnet: more recent versions come with an nvidia 9400M or GT320M |
| [21:24:49] | JEDIDIAH__: | more recent minis also have faster CPUs. Helps when something can't use VDPAU. |
| [21:25:57] | CyberKnet: | would 2GB be fine for a front end, or 4GB be more wise? |
| [21:26:24] | wagnerrp: | 2GB is fine |
| [21:26:28] | Beirdo: | do we hear 64GB? |
| [21:26:29] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:26:46] | Beirdo: | mine does fine with 2GB |
| [21:27:12] | Newbuntu81-2: | lol |
| [21:28:09] | CyberKnet: | Do people run mythfrontend on MacOS on mac mini, or do they wipe & install linux? |
| [21:28:17] | CyberKnet: | I suppose this is probably on the wiki :) |
| [21:28:40] | JEDIDIAH__: | whether or not people wipe macos is a matter of individual preference. |
| [21:29:06] | sphery: | though mythtv on mac os is still more of an experiment than a useful/stable/robust configuration, it seems |
| [21:29:31] | wagnerrp: | and i dont think you can do hardware accelerated decoding with it |
| [21:29:33] | sphery: | if nothing else, it's swimming against the current (much more work) |
| [21:29:40] | wagnerrp: | there is VDA, but i dont know what exactly that will get you |
| [21:29:59] | CyberKnet: | so probably wipe & use linux on it. |
| [21:29:59] | Newbuntu81-2: | Myth Playback is slightly fuzzy. My Vdpau Normal setting is currently vdpaucolorspace=auto,vdpauivtc,vdpauskipchroma,vdpaudenoise=0.0,vdpausharpen=0.0 . Should I increase vdpausharpen or vdpaunoise, or both? |
| [21:30:12] | wagnerrp: | fuzzy? |
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| [21:30:26] | sphery: | time to dust the TV? |
| [21:30:33] | Newbuntu81-2: | I know it isn't the recording, it plays fine on the other front end. Fuzzy as in...not crystal clear. |
| [21:30:37] | Beirdo: | I don't do any of those |
| [21:31:11] | wagnerrp: | are you trying to play SD content on an HDTV? |
| [21:31:23] | sphery: | Beirdo: maybe my not using any vdpau filters is why I didn't see unicorns dancing on rainbows when I finally tried vdpau (after all, that's how it's described on -users list :) |
| [21:31:24] | wagnerrp: | are you using an analog video output? |
| [21:31:36] | Beirdo: | hahahah |
| [21:31:41] | Newbuntu81-2: | vga cable currently, same setup as upstairs. same tv as a monitor actually. |
| [21:31:56] | Newbuntu81-2: | lmao@sphery |
| [21:31:57] | wagnerrp: | how long are the cables? how thick are the cables? |
| [21:32:18] | Newbuntu81-2: | 6 ft cable. thickness of a pen |
| [21:32:24] | wagnerrp: | unlike digital cables, there actually is a large variance with the quality you get out of analog cables |
| [21:32:24] | Newbuntu81-2: | well slightly thicker than a pen |
| [21:32:37] | sphery: | (that said, I do think VDPAU is a great thing--great video renderer, and the decoding is good when it works) |
| [21:32:50] | sphery: | and I won't buy a non-vdpau video card for mythtv frontend, again |
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| [21:33:19] | sphery: | (only reason I had non-vdpau ones is because I hadn't bought a video card since before vdpau) |
| [21:34:48] | JEDIDIAH__: | Given my experiences with the GMA950 and TVs, I would buy nvidia kit (vdpau or not) just for better TV support. |
| [21:35:27] | wagnerrp: | well with everything going digital, thats becoming a moot issue |
| [21:35:40] | sphery: | heh, yeah, that's a good reason, too (and good driver support, in general) |
| [21:35:47] | Newbuntu81-2: | My vdpau normal setting has: Temporal 2x for the first, then Temporal 1x. Does that sound right? |
| [21:36:06] | Newbuntu81-2: | as in primary deinterlacer and fallback. |
| [21:36:21] | wagnerrp: | what video card? |
| [21:36:33] | JEDIDIAH__: | no. HDTV's spewing crap EDID info is a big problem for some cards. 2 of my TVs are pretty much unusable with Intel cards. Dunno if that has improved any lately though. |
| [21:36:58] | wagnerrp: | ah, nothing like manufacturers following proper standards |
| [21:37:13] | Newbuntu81-2: | nvidia 8400 gs |
| [21:37:31] | wagnerrp: | sounds right |
| [21:37:37] | wagnerrp: | i think that can handle VDPAU Normal' |
| [21:38:17] | JEDIDIAH__: | In a 2 way finagle, at least one of the parties has to be willing to compromise a bit. |
| [21:41:25] | stuartm: | I've been out of the loop too long, are the liplianin drivers being merged into the kernel on a regular basis? |
| [21:41:38] | devinheitmueller: | stuartm: generally, no they are not. |
| [21:43:22] | stuartm: | ok thanks, that pretty much rules out a bunch of cards for me, I don't want to be messing around with out-of-tree drivers, I've got better things to do |
| [21:43:29] | devinheitmueller: | stuartm: Also, with the stv090x stuff, there is a large dispute over whether to use his or Manu's driver. |
| [21:44:42] | stuartm: | I can bet that Manu is not happy to be in that situation all over again |
| [21:44:50] | devinheitmueller: | nope. |
| [21:46:12] | devinheitmueller: | From what I gather, many of the cards have questionable driver stability. |
| [21:46:38] | devinheitmueller: | ... as I'm sure you've gathered from the mythtv-users thread "Stable DVB-S2 hardware" in the last couple of days. |
| [21:47:52] | AndyCap: | is this a flashback to 2009? |
| [21:48:59] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: Is the Giada i50-B5541 N82E16856176027 also coming with one of those ULV processors you were saying to avoid? |
| [21:49:41] | stuartm: | devinheitmueller: another useful thread I've managed to miss :) To the archives I go ... |
| [21:50:44] | CyberKnet: | dual core at 1.2Ghz seems kind of marginal (if at all possible) for HD playback without relying on VDPAU. |
| [21:51:52] | stuartm: | devinheitmueller: clearly I'm not going to be able to rush this, thanks for your help |
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| [21:58:09] | devinheitmueller: | np |
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| [22:18:16] | ThisNewGuy1: | sphery: I think the issue is that I have storage groups with dirs on multiple file systems and the new file system info class is getting confused |
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| [22:20:16] | sphery: | new since when? |
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| [22:21:15] | ThisNewGuy1: | sphery: I'm guessing it's 65e877ae but I can't prove it yet |
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| [22:22:15] | sphery: | are you running new-logging? is that actually in master? |
| [22:22:38] | sphery: | it never came through the master commits mailing list |
| [22:22:50] | sphery: | I only saw it on new-logging in firehose |
| [22:23:30] | ThisNewGuy1: | I am on master |
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| [22:25:11] | sphery: | so no clue why that didn't come through our commits mailing list for master |
| [22:25:34] | ThisNewGuy1: | maybe I'm miss reading github? |
| [22:25:39] | sphery: | no, it's in there |
| [22:25:51] | sphery: | just that we have a little too agressive filtering going on for our list, it seems |
| [22:26:23] | sphery: | Beirdo: ^^^ |
| [22:26:53] | Beirdo: | sigh. |
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| [22:27:24] | sphery: | don't know if that's something that went into a separate branch that wagne rrp merged to master and that's why I didn't see the commit or if there's something else going on |
| [22:27:58] | sphery: | (including the possibility that I just don't understand how things should be working :) |
| [22:28:22] | Beirdo: | I dunno offhand |
| [22:28:32] | Beirdo: | I'll have to take a look again, I guess |
| [22:28:47] | sphery: | wagnerrp: Any ideas why FileSystemInfo could be causing problems for ThisNewGuy1 ? |
| [22:28:59] | Beirdo: | it's likely that it got marked as being seen earlier, although it got filtered after marking it that way? |
| [22:29:02] | Beirdo: | dunno |
| [22:29:21] | sphery: | Beirdo: yeah, could it be that it was marked as seen because it was seen in new-logging--so like a race condition? |
| [22:29:50] | sphery: | then again, maybe github just didn't send the info through or something? |
| [22:29:54] | Beirdo: | it would have been seen elsewhere first |
| [22:30:18] | sphery: | wonder what the status is on our new server hardware :) |
| [22:30:23] | Beirdo: | it hit new-logging hours after it was on master. I was snoozing the afternoon away on my LazyBoy |
| [22:30:23] | ThisNewGuy1: | sphery: it looks like in Scheduler::FillRecordingList it does a check like: if (!dirlist.contains((*fslistit)->getPath())) which will always fail for me before dirlist looks like "/my/dir" and getPath looks like "host:/my/dir" |
| [22:31:39] | Beirdo: | sphery: you gotta ask the man with the machines :) |
| [22:31:48] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [22:31:57] | Beirdo: | although we should be about ready to wipe the old old server by now |
| [22:32:29] | sphery: | yeah, just figured it would be much easier to just set things up once on the final hardware--also make it easier to plan for layout/provisioning |
| [22:32:48] | sphery: | but I'm definitely looking forward to the point when we have our own servers back |
| [22:36:09] | Beirdo: | yeah |
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| [22:39:20] | sphery: | Beirdo: seems this same issue explains why some of the commits are showing up on new-logging when you merge from master and others aren't |
| [22:39:29] | sphery: | the ones that show up are ones that were skipped/filtered/... on master |
| [22:39:56] | Beirdo: | yeah |
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| [22:40:00] | Beirdo: | as we expected |
| [22:40:06] | Beirdo: | that's what we really wanted |
| [22:40:12] | Beirdo: | at least for -commits |
| [22:40:23] | Beirdo: | however, it may filter at the wrong time |
| [22:40:47] | Beirdo: | i.e. it's seen on a side branch, and we note that in the db as "seen", but it's never actually been sent |
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| [22:41:16] | sphery: | Beirdo: yeah, it's what we wanted--except for the whole part where they don't show up on master |
| [22:41:35] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [22:41:39] | Beirdo: | yeah, let me take a look |
| [22:42:07] | sphery: | like: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . re&mh=25 and http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . re&mh=25 |
| [22:42:22] | sphery: | both of those 65e877ae9 and 5e6340bab should have shown on master |
| [22:42:32] | sphery: | I can get you a list of several others, too, if it helps |
| [22:42:55] | sphery: | mostly just a matter of scrolling through firehose and looking at new-logging commits that aren't you or me :) |
| [22:43:03] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
| [22:43:19] | Beirdo: | I don't see from a glance why that would happen |
| [22:44:11] | Beirdo: | one sec |
| [22:46:50] | Beirdo: | it never sent it to us the first time |
| [22:47:04] | Beirdo: | it's in the logs only once |
| [22:47:19] | Beirdo: | as in the logs of all the json they send |
| [22:48:16] | sphery: | and d3b66d95a and 2034fb168 and b6cd1b665 and 50f91450b and 44280a7bc and 146bec759 |
| [22:48:31] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [22:48:36] | Beirdo: | only sent the one time |
| [22:48:59] | sphery: | so it's github brain-deadedness? |
| [22:49:17] | Beirdo: | github hook brain-deadness, seems to be |
| [22:49:23] | sphery: | at least now that I understand, I can watch the new-logging ones from others and realize they're actually in master |
| [22:49:33] | Beirdo: | or they sent it while our apache was borked or something odd |
| [22:49:49] | sphery: | and maybe other branches where I know the branch author |
| [22:49:58] | Beirdo: | one way or the other, their hook never hit our script |
| [22:50:39] | sphery: | yeah, and--with these changes from wagne rrp--it was very bad timing for it to fail, since they're some pretty important/big changes |
| [22:51:19] | Beirdo: | yeah, agreed |
| [22:51:27] | sphery: | (and mar kk's removing directfb was pretty important/interesting, too) |
| [22:51:46] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [22:52:01] | Beirdo: | the only other thing could be our script belching on bad json |
| [22:52:04] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
| [22:52:15] | sphery: | ahhh, yeah |
| [22:52:17] | Beirdo: | OK, let me tweak to log the RAW json too |
| [22:53:05] | sphery: | thanks for looking into it... I just feel like a /lot/ changed without my noticing, and since I've been taking the time to read all the commits messages, I was a little surprised to have missed so much |
| [22:54:27] | sphery: | of course, once we make our own git server the main repo and it pushes stuff to our public-facing github repo, then we won't even have to deal with github's json and such and can have more-direct triggers, right? |
| [22:55:07] | Beirdo: | correct, sir |
| [22:55:19] | sphery: | maybe wagne rrp is just a commit ninja |
| [22:55:56] | Beirdo: | hmm |
| [22:56:07] | Beirdo: | I dunno what its issue is :) |
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| [23:01:16] | Beirdo: | now we just wait for a commit |
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| [23:02:25] | sphery: | heh |
| [23:02:32] | sphery: | and, especially, a missed commit |
| [23:02:58] | TheAsp: | Will mythnetvision ever support subscribing to shows and have them show up in my recordings screen? |
| [23:03:11] | TheAsp: | Or is it just supposed to be streaming based? |
| [23:06:18] | sphery: | the "Watch Recordings" screen as we know it will almost definitely always be limited to just recordings |
| [23:06:52] | sphery: | however, it's possible that in the future we'll make it so that you can easily switch from Watch Recordings to MythVideo or MythNetvision stuff without going back out and into the menus |
| [23:07:06] | sphery: | (and without using jump points) |
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| [23:07:20] | sphery: | right now, jump points are the closest we have to that |
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| [23:07:46] | TheAsp: | I'm a happy mythnettv user |
| [23:07:59] | TheAsp: | And it doesn't appear to be actively developed |
| [23:08:11] | sphery: | more than anything, the kind of information you want to display for each type of video differs, so trying to cram non-recordings stuff into a view specifically designed for recordings with info for recordings and a layout for recordings doesn't make a lot of sense |
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| [23:08:30] | sphery: | mythnetvision is definitely one of our most-active plugins |
| [23:09:11] | sphery: | that + mythvideo are... and mythmusic is getting some tlc (but mostly not yet ready/in the repo) |
| [23:09:29] | sphery: | most of the rest are primarily in maintenance mode |
| [23:10:10] | TheAsp: | yeah, but mythnettv has a much higher WAF for me, for that one feature |
| [23:10:19] | TheAsp: | i find the info it fills in fine |
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| [23:10:39] | stuartm: | hmm, there was a pull request for 2.6.49 back in Mar which included the Tevii S464 driver but I don't see it in the changelog so I'm guessing it was ignored :/ |
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| [23:11:30] | ** Beirdo hopes mythweather STAYS in maintenance mode a while longer... THEN maybe he'll attack it again ** | |
| [23:12:06] | sphery: | heh, Linux 2 is so old school... Linux 3 is where it's at |
| [23:12:32] | sphery: | wonder if rc2 will make final and we'll have our Linux 3.0 |
| [23:12:48] | kisak: | stuartm: 49? |
| [23:13:08] | sphery: | ooh, speaking of old school... just realized I only have about a day to prep for world IPv6 day! |
| [23:13:15] | stuartm: | kisak: typo |
| [23:13:21] | sphery: | 29, I'm guessing? |
| [23:13:26] | kisak: | stuartm: jolly good |
| [23:13:30] | sphery: | or 39, probably |
| [23:13:32] | stuartm: | sphery: .39 |
| [23:13:50] | stuartm: | it's not in the 3.0 snapshot changelog either |
| [23:14:10] | sphery: | yeah, just realized there was a .39... I thought we were still at 2.6.38.48233023 or something |
| [23:14:28] | Beirdo: | crap, IPv6 day tomorrow? I forgot all about it (being already IPv6-capable at my end on all but my cellphone) |
| [23:14:49] | sphery: | Beirdo: Jun 8--but don't know which time zone officially starts it |
| [23:15:33] | sphery: | or maybe it's a "rolling deployment" :) |
| [23:15:53] | stuartm: | I'd prefer a driver in a mainline kernel, but that's proving difficult |
| [23:16:09] | sphery: | maybe on June 8 I'll do yard work--since there's a good chance I won't be able to use google, etc. :) |
| [23:16:46] | Beirdo: | bah |
| [23:16:57] | sphery: | stuartm: how many channels did you lose to dvb-s2? one of them? (but figuring it was one with a lot of good content) |
| [23:17:01] | Beirdo: | google's had ipv6.google.com running for > 1yr |
| [23:17:06] | kormoc: | sphery, nah. it's just adding AAAAAA records along side the A records |
| [23:17:10] | Beirdo: | all they need to do is enable it |
| [23:17:10] | DeviceZer0 (DeviceZer0!~hate@unaffiliated/devicezer0) has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) | |
| [23:17:16] | sphery: | are the others planning on going to -s2 soon? |
| [23:17:20] | Beirdo: | kormoc: that would be IPv8 :) |
| [23:17:30] | kormoc: | whoops, AAAA |
| [23:17:33] | kormoc: | whatever it is |
| [23:17:35] | stuartm: | sphery: two HD channels, both BBC, although one is a simulcast of the SD version |
| [23:17:36] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [23:18:03] | sphery: | kormoc: oh, so the v4 will still work fine, but those who have v6 enabled can use v6 directly? |
| [23:18:08] | sphery: | what makes the day special, then? |
| [23:18:12] | sphery: | just an awareness thing? |
| [23:18:29] | kormoc: | sphery, it's a test to see how many folks have dns issues with having the mix of the two records |
| [23:18:37] | sphery: | oh, I see |
| [23:18:43] | sphery: | that shouldn't hurt me, then |
| [23:18:44] | stuartm: | so in terms of content it's nothing I can't get in SD on other channels, but that includes some nature stuff that looks 10x better in HD |
| [23:18:51] | sphery: | (unless it hurts my ISP) |
| [23:19:10] | kormoc: | sphery, yeah. it's not that big of a deal for most folks I'd imagine |
| [23:19:39] | sphery: | stuartm: yeah, I wouldn't want the SDTV versions if I had a choice... just wondered if this was going to become some "next big issue" for users |
| [23:20:24] | sphery: | hope that you can find some good hardware with easy drivers... good luck. |
| [23:20:25] | stuartm: | sphery: only if they like to moan as much as I do ;) |
| [23:20:35] | sphery: | heh |
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| [23:21:30] | Beirdo: | kormoc: it's also a case of making the people running the sites more comfortable with trying dual-stack. Most will have nearly uneventful cut-over, I'm sure |
| [23:22:07] | sphery: | dual stack gives you better cooling, right? |
| [23:22:18] | adub: | having trouble getting sound working im working toward getting ati sound working that is integreted on my motherboard the hdmi sound via the video card that i have installed on my machine is way too buggy |
| [23:22:44] | adub: | the onboard ati sound will not work at all |
| [23:22:47] | adub: | just trying to do analog |
| [23:22:50] | Beirdo: | sphery: being dual-stack is definitely gonna make YOU be cooler :) |
| [23:22:53] | adub: | stereo |
| [23:23:21] | sphery: | adub: chances are it's an alsa misconfig--the easiest way to get it "auto-config'ed" is to just not load the secondary (video card's HDMI) audio driver |
| [23:23:44] | hoolio: | http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://www.mythtv.org |
| [23:23:55] | adub: | sphery how can i accomplish not loading the hdmi driver |
| [23:23:56] | sphery: | of course, if both are snd_hda_intel, that doesn't work (but you can probably tell it to ignore one device or the other) |
| [23:24:13] | sphery: | if it's different kernel modules, just blacklist the one you don't want |
| [23:25:05] | sphery: | hoolio: yeah, looks like someone needs to restart our server |
| [23:25:13] | sphery: | Beirdo: ^^^ you have privs, right? |
| [23:25:26] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [23:25:32] | adub: | how do i blacklist it |
| [23:25:53] | sphery: | Beirdo: thanks for coming to the rescue, again--guess I should really let you finish up your work day... |
| [23:26:07] | sphery: | adub: best bet is to ask others using your distro |
| [23:26:56] | Beirdo: | fixed |
| [23:26:58] | sphery: | adub: in general, you put a blacklist line in /etc/modprobe.d/somefilename.conf (see man modprobe.d ) |
| [23:26:59] | Beirdo: | sorry |
| [23:27:10] | sphery: | thx |
| [23:27:28] | adub: | gotch i just manuall unloaded |
| [23:27:41] | adub: | should my sound work now or would i have to reboot |
| [23:27:44] | stuartm: | Beirdo: what was it this time, hung process or swapping again? |
| [23:27:51] | adub: | and should i be able to use my mobo onboard sound |
| [23:27:56] | adub: | rather than my hdmi sound |
| [23:27:58] | Beirdo: | no, a typo |
| [23:27:58] | sphery: | you'd have to reboot to get the auto-config to configure it as if it's the only sound card |
| [23:28:07] | adub: | like i a still using hdmi for vidoe |
| [23:28:09] | sphery: | but you'll have to make sure it doesn't reload the driver when it reboots |
| [23:28:23] | Beirdo: | I told it to move the smolt archive, and caught the smolt dir too by mistake |
| [23:28:43] | stuartm: | Beirdo: oops |
| [23:28:48] | Beirdo: | and then apache was like "HEY, BONEHEAD, where are my files!?" |
| [23:28:51] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [23:28:55] | Beirdo: | all fixed |
| [23:29:23] | sphery: | and the server went down in flames, leaving only a smolten pile of slag in its place |
| [23:29:27] | stuartm: | well at least we've not had any memory issues since I reduced the max clients |
| [23:29:53] | Beirdo: | yeah, that and disabling the timeline in trac :) |
| [23:31:09] | stuartm: | any timeline for getting back on our own hardware? It's specced a little better ;) |
| [23:31:23] | stuartm: | well at least in terms of RAM |
| [23:32:04] | sphery: | stuartm: I think Captain_Murdoch was working to get some new hardware for us, and I'm sure it would be easiest to do the transition only once |
| [23:32:14] | sphery: | but I don't know what the status of the new hardware is |
| [23:34:04] | stuartm: | seems like only yesterday that we were upgrading the existing hardware |
| [23:34:18] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [23:36:50] | NewBuntu81: | Captain Murdoch, or Captain Morgan? :-) |
| [23:38:28] | hoolio: | what do you guys use to transcode recordings from mythtv? |
| [23:38:52] | kormoc: | hoolio, nuvexport + ffmpeg |
| [23:39:06] | sphery: | heh, I don't transcode--I just buy HDDs since they're so cheap |
| [23:39:59] | hoolio: | sphery, that's one way to do it, fast too :) |
| [23:40:16] | hoolio: | kormoc, do you have a link to any doco you used to set that up? |
| [23:40:29] | kormoc: | hoolio, no |
| [23:40:45] | sphery: | heh, yeah... works for all situatioins--except when you want to play some recorded video on an underspec'ed or bandwidth-limited device (like cell phone or tablet or whatever) |
| [23:40:48] | kormoc: | there really isn't any setup |
| [23:41:57] | wagnerrp: | NewBuntu81: never seen the a-team? |
| [23:42:15] | sphery: | or maybe he never saw it sober? |
| [23:42:16] | stuartm: | I lossless transcode to save a little space and permanently remove adverts, but I'd not bother with re-encoding personally, unless you're planning to horde hundreds of hours of TV series (which you won't ever watch again) then you really don't need to transcode for space reasons, HDDs are just too cheap in comparison to the time and power you'll waste |
| [23:42:23] | NewBuntu81: | lmao @ sphery |
| [23:42:25] | wagnerrp: | hes our mad pilot |
| [23:42:37] | NewBuntu81: | i haven't thought of a-team in years |
| [23:42:37] | sphery: | stuartm: +1 |
| [23:42:46] | hoolio: | i like the idea of not transcoding |
| [23:43:05] | hoolio: | it does hose the machine for ages, and i had complaints about performance last time i tried that |
| [23:43:40] | hoolio: | I'm planning to move a few movies i recorded into mythvideo |
| [23:43:51] | wagnerrp: | sphery: new hardware? whats wrong with our current servers? |
| [23:43:56] | hoolio: | i can manually copy the movie and name it appropriately |
| [23:44:01] | hoolio: | and then delete the original |
| [23:44:10] | stuartm: | fwiw even a decent transcoder is going to cause a slight degradation in what is probably not a great picture to begin with |
| [23:44:45] | hoolio: | i might try and create a user job which just copies the movie over to mythvideo |
| [23:44:56] | hoolio: | unless someone has done that already? |
| [23:45:04] | wagnerrp: | hoolio: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Mythvidexport.py |
| [23:45:25] | hoolio: | wagnerrp, perfect. |
| [23:45:30] | hoolio: | thanks everyone |
| [23:45:39] | sphery: | at least in the US, you should be able to get a 2TB HDD for $70 or less (lowest I've seen so far is 2TB for $60), and that will hold 300hrs of 14Mbps video (which is a respectable average for HDTV bitrates) |
| [23:46:50] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: as far as I know there is nothing wrong with our server, but Captain_Murdoch mentioned being able to obtain something even better from the office skip |
| [23:46:58] | hoolio: | yeah i have a 2tb HDD, and still around 1.3tb freespace |
| [23:47:04] | hoolio: | so disk is not an issue |
| [23:47:05] | sphery: | right... and possibly multiple servers, too |
| [23:47:06] | wagnerrp: | mmm... freespace |
| [23:47:22] | wagnerrp: | multiple? hey, we can make a cloud! |
| [23:47:44] | stuartm: | www.xkcd.com |
| [23:47:58] | sphery: | hoolio: yeah, in that case--unless you're transcoding for playback on some device with specific requirements--I'd say save the energy (and cost of electricity) and don't transcode |
| [23:48:13] | sphery: | you can always transcode later, if you need to (or just get a 2nd 2TB :) |
| [23:48:31] | sphery: | I currently have 8.5 TB in my Myth boxes and 4TB sitting on top of it (that I really should re-install) |
| [23:48:38] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i gave up trying to transcode HD when i realized my $330 CPU could do a 22min recording in all of 6hours |
| [23:49:05] | sphery: | (borrowed the 2x2TB HDDs when I was having HDD troubles) |
| [23:49:07] | NewBuntu81: | Question with Vdpau: Does mythbuntu 10.10 and 11.04 come pre-built for vdpau, or do you have to reinstall to configure with the vdpau option? |
| [23:49:21] | wagnerrp: | pre-built |
| [23:49:52] | sphery: | just have to install drivers and hardware that support it |
| [23:52:34] | wagnerrp: | in all honesty, would there be any harm in just making vdpau support a requirement for linux/freebsd builds? |
| [23:53:03] | sphery: | wagnerrp: imho, no--since you can install libvdpau even without nvidia hardware |
| [23:53:30] | wagnerrp: | right, and libvdpau doesnt have the nasty opengl implications of the hardware drivers |
| [23:53:34] | sphery: | and you only need to have the foss libvdpau installed to compile mythtv with vdpau support |
| [23:54:01] | wagnerrp: | is libvdpau open source? |
| [23:54:13] | wagnerrp: | you wouldnt even have to piss off the debian users to do it |
| [23:54:14] | sphery: | I compile mine on a box with an AMD video card and no nvidia drivers installed |
| [23:54:25] | sphery: | yeah, it is... X license, maybe? |
| [23:54:51] | sphery: | http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~aplattner/libvdpau |
| [23:55:18] | sphery: | oooh, has a real page, now: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/VDPAU |
| [23:55:34] | wagnerrp: | honestly, im a bit curious about the vdpau support for ATI cards |
| [23:55:58] | wagnerrp: | especially considering theyve never released any form of documentation for the decoder chips that would otherwise allow the development of open source drivers to use it |
| [23:56:09] | sphery: | yeah |
| [23:56:27] | sphery: | wonder what the back story is |
| [23:56:40] | hoolio: | wagnerrp, would Mythvidexport.py exist already on my 0.24 backend? |
| [23:56:47] | wagnerrp: | no, it would not |
| [23:56:50] | hoolio: | or should i copy it off the wiki |
| [23:56:53] | sphery: | that said, I do think vdpau is much more sensible than va-api (sorry, Intel) |
| [23:57:03] | wagnerrp: | but mythwikiscripts would, and it will download it for you |
| [23:57:16] | hoolio: | oh, okies |
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