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| [00:31:32] | plut0: | in mythtv-setup i see this error under input connections, "ERROR, Compile with V4L support to query inputs" |
| [00:34:47] | plut0: | is it looking in the kernel? |
| [00:36:12] | plut0: | anyone? |
| [00:40:08] | plut0: | looks like theres a v4l2 patch, wonder if that will do it |
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| [01:17:50] | wagnerrp: | plut0: you need to update to a recent version of 0.25 or 0.24-fixes |
| [01:18:12] | plut0: | wagnerrp: i fixed the v4l issue |
| [01:18:33] | plut0: | wagnerrp: upgraded my kernel which didn't have v4l so i had to recompile mythtv with the v4l2 patch |
| [01:18:54] | plut0: | i need some lirc help and #lirc channel is dead |
| [01:20:48] | wagnerrp: | you shouldnt be using any patch |
| [01:21:34] | plut0: | newer kernels don't have v4l anymore |
| [01:22:15] | wagnerrp: | yes, but you shouldnt be using any patches to correct that |
| [01:23:31] | plut0: | wagnerrp: the patch was in portage |
| [01:24:48] | wagnerrp: | regardless, you shouldnt be using any patch, because both 0.24 and 0.25 have been updated to fix that issue |
| [01:25:09] | plut0: | ok |
| [01:28:22] | sphery: | in other words, use current 0.24-fixes, not an old snapshot |
| [01:28:49] | plut0: | this build is 20110524 |
| [01:29:09] | sphery: | support for 2.6.38+ based systems went in May 29 |
| [01:29:16] | sphery: | so it's too told |
| [01:29:18] | sphery: | use current |
| [01:29:43] | plut0: | haha ok |
| [01:29:45] | plut0: | 5 days off |
| [01:29:57] | wagnerrp: | so kormoc or i needs to push new builds |
| [01:30:13] | wagnerrp: | anyway, you can make your own using the scripts/mythtv-buildebuild.py script |
| [01:30:27] | wagnerrp: | supply --hash, and ... something else, dont remember what off hand |
| [01:30:41] | wagnerrp: | it will generate new ebuilds based off the previous one found in the 0.24 branch |
| [01:31:14] | plut0: | ok |
| [01:31:55] | plut0: | anyone able to help with lirc here? |
| [01:47:45] | kormoc: | and just remove the v4l patch from the new ebuilds |
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| [03:37:40] | Beirdo: | so it seems my new routine is becoming.... come home, have a 1–2h nap... then do stuff |
| [03:37:44] | Beirdo: | grr |
| [03:37:57] | [R]: | need a longer nap?> |
| [03:38:20] | Beirdo: | need earlier nap |
| [03:38:24] | Beirdo: | like 2pm |
| [03:38:26] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [03:38:48] | Beirdo: | screw those "5h energy drinks" |
| [03:39:43] | [R]: | lol |
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| [03:41:11] | Beirdo: | "keeps you from getting tired"... screw that, gimme a pillow. |
| [03:44:04] | Beirdo: | I should make sure I have space for my camping cot in my next cubicle |
| [03:44:15] | [R]: | lol |
| [03:45:11] | Beirdo: | that should be a prereq for any job :) |
| [03:45:18] | Beirdo: | siesta time |
| [03:45:32] | [R]: | move to spain |
| [03:45:41] | Beirdo: | why? |
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| [03:45:51] | Beirdo: | enough Spanish-speakers here |
| [03:45:52] | [R]: | isn't that where they do siesta? |
| [03:46:14] | Beirdo: | oh nice |
| [03:46:25] | Beirdo: | doing an upgrade, and it took down mysql |
| [03:47:03] | Beirdo: | come on, hurry up |
| [03:47:36] | Beirdo: | frontend and backend both spewing |
| [03:48:54] | Beirdo: | there |
| [03:49:41] | Beirdo: | that did wonders for playback |
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| [03:59:15] | Beirdo: | Oh this will be fun |
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| [04:42:36] | mtrelinsomething: | anyone using an acer revo? |
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| [04:44:35] | [R]: | mtrelinsomething: do you have an actual question? |
| [04:44:40] | Diverdude: | mtrelinsomething, no actually not. Why on earth would you want to use that? |
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| [04:47:19] | mtrelinsomething: | i was wondering what some good settings are for hdtv |
| [04:47:30] | mtrelinsomething: | when the motion-heavy scenes come up, it tears |
| [04:47:36] | mtrelinsomething: | 512mb nvidia ion |
| [04:47:43] | mtrelinsomething: | low cpu usage |
| [04:47:50] | mtrelinsomething: | tested hdtv on the backend, plays fine |
| [04:48:28] | [R]: | crappy ions dnot do good deinterlacing |
| [04:48:53] | mtrelinsomething: | recommendations? |
| [04:50:12] | mtrelinsomething: | plays 1080i with ~3% cpu usage |
| [04:50:40] | [R]: | get a less crappy system |
| [04:50:43] | ** [R] pings wagnerrp ** | |
| [04:51:53] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [04:52:04] | [R]: | wagnerrp: mtrelinsomething talking about ion |
| [04:52:08] | mtrelinsomething: | does 0.24.1 have OpenGL VSync |
| [04:52:09] | [R]: | i know how much you love it |
| [04:52:14] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [04:52:24] | mtrelinsomething: | wagnerrp, you have a revo? |
| [04:52:32] | [R]: | lol |
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| [04:56:39] | truemajik: | Does MythTV have the ability to stream live tv over the internet? |
| [04:57:01] | [R]: | no |
| [04:57:08] | wagnerrp: | that depends |
| [04:57:21] | truemajik: | on? |
| [04:57:25] | wagnerrp: | do you have sufficient upstream to stream your recordings over the internet? |
| [04:58:00] | truemajik: | i don't know? |
| [04:58:09] | wagnerrp: | how much upstream do you have? |
| [04:59:11] | truemajik: | According to speedtest.net ehhhh 0.97 Mbps |
| [04:59:22] | wagnerrp: | yeah... thats not enough |
| [04:59:39] | truemajik: | ha i figured |
| [05:00:55] | mtrelinsomething: | if i lowered the bitrate, would it stop tearing? |
| [05:01:39] | wagnerrp: | the tearing is due to a mis-synchronization between decoding of frames, and display on the video card |
| [05:01:57] | wagnerrp: | its updating the frame halfway through the card pushing it to the display |
| [05:02:12] | wagnerrp: | no amount of power will solve this issue |
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| [05:02:20] | wagnerrp: | there just needs to be some sort of locking |
| [05:02:25] | wagnerrp: | (such as opengl v-sync) |
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| [05:11:27] | mtrelinsomething: | do you guys know how to make settings from NVidia X Server Settings "stick" ? |
| [05:12:50] | mtrelinsomething: | how do i enable opengl vsync from within mythtv? |
| [05:14:12] | mtrelinsomething: | do i have to do this: ./configure --prefix=/usr --enable-proc-opt --disable-joystick-menu \ |
| [05:14:13] | mtrelinsomething: | --disable-firewire --disable-hdhomerun --disable-xvmcw \ |
| [05:14:13] | mtrelinsomething: | --enable-vdpau --disable-directfb --enable-opengl-vsync |
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| [06:45:58] | DataTracer: | Hi folks |
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| [09:35:03] | jya: | xbmc navigation & look does look very nice... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBBIuEQv2C8 |
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| [10:50:46] | Kelerion: | buenos dias peeps |
| [10:51:45] | Kelerion: | ok..its official... I hate Unity |
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| [10:54:21] | waxhead: | yeah, I'm not liking it much |
| [10:54:33] | waxhead: | I've given it plenty of time to grow on me, but it's not |
| [10:56:19] | Kelerion: | same.. I've given it a couple of weeks now.. and I am just not getting on with it.. so have switched back to Classic |
| [10:58:20] | waxhead: | I've toyed with going back, haven't yet.. |
| [11:00:05] | Kelerion: | woot... google is growing some balls |
| [11:00:06] | Kelerion: | http://googleenterprise.blogspot.com/2011/06/ . . . rowsers.html |
| [11:00:40] | Kelerion: | thats gonna make my job a bit easier |
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| [12:21:14] | quicksilver: | gah |
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| [13:39:19] | slipcon: | anyone want to talk about some hardware choices? I'm building a new FE/BE to replace a 0.22 system – existing hardware has some issues so I'm planning on a fresh start |
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| [14:17:00] | sphery: | slipcon / quicksilver : I don't have any specific recommendations other than recommending you get a "real" CPU (i.e. a Core 2 or Core i or Athlon II, versus a toy (Atom :)), an nvidia graphics card that supports VDPAU, an 80 PLUS power supply unit, and I recommend choosing for power efficiency versus pure processing power (i.e. a nice 65W TDP or lower CPU--and, for now, speed is generally more useful than core count). |
| [14:18:14] | slipcon: | yes, I've got an Intel motherboard & i5 CPU picked out – I really had two specific questions. |
| [14:18:40] | sphery: | cool, i5 should be a good choice |
| [14:19:00] | sphery: | and you can get nice power efficiency from it (possibly at or better than Atom-based system's power usage) |
| [14:19:04] | slipcon: | Overall, I'm looking for the highest quality – price & power is secondary.... whats the best nvidia chipset to go for these days? GT 520? |
| [14:19:38] | sphery: | that I couldn't tell you... there was some discussion of it on mythtv-users mailing list in the last couple of weeks |
| [14:19:48] | sphery: | I just got a GT220 and am very happy with it |
| [14:19:58] | sphery: | much better than the GF7200 I upgraded from |
| [14:20:00] | slipcon: | yeah I saw that... didn't seem to be any sort of consensus / conclusion |
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| [14:20:19] | sphery: | heh, yeah, IME, that's always the case--everyone seems to have thir own conclusion :) |
| [14:20:33] | sphery: | which is why I didn't really pay a lot of attention to the thread |
| [14:20:58] | sphery: | I will say, though, that some of the users in here do follow the development of the nvidia drivers and gpus and could provide good info |
| [14:21:16] | slipcon: | alright, hopefully some expert will chime in :) |
| [14:21:17] | quicksilver: | sphery: thanks. |
| [14:21:27] | sphery: | so if you stick around you'll likely see someone who can help |
| [14:21:48] | sphery: | slipcon: was the other question also about gpu? |
| [14:21:48] | quicksilver: | sphery: AMD works out a lot cheaper than intel |
| [14:21:56] | sphery: | quicksilver: yeah, I do AMD Athlon II |
| [14:22:03] | sphery: | for exactly that reason :) |
| [14:22:11] | slipcon: | The other question is about disks – all the common recommendations are to put the OS/DB on a different disk than the video. My current system (0.22) I've got a single disk, and have had no issues with sometimes 3 tuners recording and one playback |
| [14:22:12] | quicksilver: | but needing an IDE port (for my DVD drive) and 3 PCI slots (for existing tuner cards) does limit the choices rather a lot |
| [14:22:30] | sphery: | the down side is that you really have to go with a discrete GPU for AMD since you can't get any recent nvidia chipsets for AMD |
| [14:22:51] | quicksilver: | http://www.ebuyer.com/product/236462 came up when searching. |
| [14:22:53] | sphery: | and, yeah, AMD boards don't tend to have many PCI ports |
| [14:22:54] | slipcon: | is there something in newer mythtvs that makes multiple disks significantly more important? |
| [14:23:01] | quicksilver: | slipcon: no. |
| [14:23:13] | sphery: | there are some with high PCIe count, but they've always been stingy with PCI |
| [14:23:21] | quicksilver: | slipcon: I've always ignored that advice although it does depend on the bitrates of your video files. |
| [14:23:31] | quicksilver: | slipcon: I've had no problems with 3–4 simultaneous SD streams. |
| [14:24:05] | quicksilver: | unfortunately the onboard video on that MB is wasted because it doesn't have S-video out. |
| [14:24:13] | quicksilver: | maybe I'll hang onto my existing radeon 9250. |
| [14:24:37] | slipcon: | mine are often HD... I've got a dual tuner HDHR, a firewire capture, and and old SD hauppauge card. And no issues. |
| [14:24:54] | sphery: | slipcon: not really anything about newer mythtv (basically same since 0.21, IIRC)--however the Storage Groups allow using multiple directories (which can be multiple file systems and/or disks) easily, which allows for less seeking with a HDD and less file fragmentation |
| [14:25:15] | sphery: | though I /do/ recommend at least having a separate file system for root and MySQL data |
| [14:25:25] | sphery: | (so, if nothing else, use a partition for that) |
| [14:25:43] | slipcon: | But one part of me is thinking that I can get a 32Gb SSD for < $100 and put the OS/DB on there, just for grins... |
| [14:26:00] | sphery: | I keep my MySQL data on a disk that's almost never used for recording to make I/O contention very unlikely (though I have a feeling it would be fine otherwise) |
| [14:26:45] | sphery: | quicksilver: really, IMHO, the onboard video of that (and any recent AMD-based motherboard) is wasted because it's AMD/ATI graphics and not nvidia |
| [14:26:45] | quicksilver: | slipcon: you could but it wouldn't be worth the money. |
| [14:27:01] | quicksilver: | the OS/DB doesn't need a fast disk. |
| [14:27:12] | sphery: | I /highly/ recommend a recent nvidia vdpau capable graphics card |
| [14:27:15] | quicksilver: | (unless you're running firefox/chrome, in which case it comes in handy) |
| [14:27:22] | slipcon: | I dont have/keep around enough recordings to make multiple disks really necessary.... my current system has 1Tb, this new one I'll probably get a 1.5 or 2Tb disk but that'll be more video than we can watch anyway (we dont tend to save & rewatch) |
| [14:27:26] | quicksilver: | sphery: I don't currently use any hardware acceleration features. |
| [14:27:36] | quicksilver: | sphery: just the open source radeon opengl drivers for video out. |
| [14:27:42] | quicksilver: | no hardware assist. |
| [14:27:45] | sphery: | (that said, in my house, of my 9 systems, all have AMD graphics, with the exception of my mythfrontend box) |
| [14:28:48] | sphery: | yeah, I'm not a big believer in hardware decode, but nvidia's vdpau makes a great renderer for video and their OpenGL support (and driver support in general) seems to be much better than AMD/ATIs |
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| [14:29:01] | sphery: | especially the open source AMD |
| [14:29:08] | quicksilver: | sphery: how is vdpau better than plain opengl? |
| [14:29:35] | sphery: | (for which good OpenGL support doesn't exist until the video card is basically obsolete ) |
| [14:29:53] | sphery: | vdpau was specifically designed for video, so it's better by design |
| [14:30:05] | quicksilver: | sure, but what are the practical advantages |
| [14:30:15] | quicksilver: | as far as I'm concerned it either plays the video or it doesn't :) |
| [14:30:18] | sphery: | but even if using opengl, nvidia's driver support seems much better |
| [14:30:19] | quicksilver: | currently, it plays them fine. |
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| [14:30:33] | sphery: | yeah... if you have it working and you're happy with it, it's fine |
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| [14:31:36] | slipcon: | thanks for the help... in summary, I'll wait to see if anyone else has a specific recommendation on the best nvidia card to get... I'll consider whether a 65W i5 is better suited than the current 95W model I picked out, and that there really isn't any strong need to have multiple disks for OS/video. |
| [14:32:06] | sphery: | if you don't mind trying to find drivers that work, using old and obsolete hardware (since you can't get opengl for new AMD chips without the proprietary drivers) or using the proprietary drivers for the 6 mos or so they make them available before EOL'ing them and sticking you with 2D-only FOSS drivers until the FOSS devs can write 3D support for the card (at which point the card is now obsolete), then it's fine :) |
| [14:32:32] | quicksilver: | right. 3D support isn't relevant on my myth frontend |
| [14:32:43] | quicksilver: | except the bare minimum required to support the opengl painter |
| [14:33:36] | sphery: | slipcon: re: 65W vs 95W, IMHO, the 95W is just wasting electricity to provide pure processing power that's not required for a MythTV box... That said, if you get a "lucky pick" of a 95W CPU, it may actually idle at very low power (possibly lower than a 65W TDP CPU)... |
| [14:34:03] | sphery: | quicksilver: yeah, but that bare minimum is still a lot |
| [14:34:43] | sphery: | http://wiki.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature , see the "MOSTLY" on the r600 + |
| [14:34:48] | sphery: | it's slow progress |
| [14:35:33] | ** quicksilver nods ** | |
| [14:35:51] | sphery: | basically, though, we're likely to drop (or at least ignore) Xv support in the future |
| [14:36:16] | quicksilver: | is xv what I'm using if I'm using hte opengl painter? |
| [14:36:31] | sphery: | so you'll need sufficient OpenGL support for getting all your video rendered through OpenGL (or VDPAU) |
| [14:36:38] | sphery: | OpenGL painter is the UI |
| [14:36:46] | sphery: | The video renderer is specified in playback profiles |
| [14:36:54] | sphery: | if you're using any of the "example" ones, you're using Xv |
| [14:37:03] | ** quicksilver nods ** | |
| [14:37:06] | sphery: | if you created a custom one, you may be using OpenGL renderer |
| [14:37:25] | sphery: | Check in mythfrontend settings, Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings|Playback, 3rd screen |
| [14:37:32] | quicksilver: | I think I switched to the opengl one at some point but, sadly, my memory of these things is hazy. |
| [14:37:38] | sphery: | select a profile, then Edit, then check the Video Renderer |
| [14:37:39] | quicksilver: | sphery: am at work :) will check at home though. |
| [14:37:51] | sphery: | cool... again, though, ATI/AMD may be fine for you |
| [14:38:07] | quicksilver: | I don't have any prospect of having HD video any time soon |
| [14:38:10] | sphery: | and you can always start with AMD and then add a discrete nvidia later, when you need it |
| [14:38:23] | quicksilver: | and SD works perfectly well without decode assist |
| [14:38:37] | quicksilver: | even with my very old radeon 9250, which perhaps I will keep |
| [14:38:55] | quicksilver: | (unfortunately I can't remember whether it's a PCI or AGP card without looking inside the box again) |
| [14:38:57] | sphery: | and SDTV rendering with OpenGL is much easier on the system than HDTV rendering, so it may work (even with a 9250) |
| [14:39:38] | quicksilver: | it certainly appears to work :) |
| [14:39:39] | sphery: | and you can use the 9250 with Xv, now, if OpenGL isn't powerful enough, and then when we drop OpenGL, grab a discrete nvidia card |
| [14:39:46] | ** quicksilver nods ** | |
| [14:39:50] | quicksilver: | why will you drop Xv? |
| [14:40:18] | sphery: | but I will go so far as to say you should not buy a discrete AMD graphics card for MythTV :) |
| [14:40:56] | sphery: | relying on integrated AMD or old AMD/ATI card for now isn't as bad a choice (since you can't get integrated nvidia that's worth getting if you choose an AMD CPU platform) |
| [14:41:27] | sphery: | mainly because Xv is >20years old and lacks a /lot/ of features we need to support some upcoming changes to MythTV |
| [14:42:11] | sphery: | basically, you've heard how people claim that MythTV is ugly and programs like XvMC are beautiful... well, that's because MythTV is still supporting these 20+ year old APIs that limit our capabilities |
| [14:42:20] | sphery: | er, XBMC |
| [14:42:44] | sphery: | and, FWIW, XBMC requires OpenGL video output, TTBOMK |
| [14:43:01] | sphery: | which is why they can have such a beautiful UI |
| [14:43:27] | quicksilver: | sphery: what kind of beautiful does Xv interfere with? Is this about applying transformations to the video / UI over the video? |
| [14:44:39] | quicksilver: | if my ebuyer order history is talking about the right card, then it's a PCI card which means I need 4 slots overall :( |
| [14:44:55] | quicksilver: | which is bad news because no motherboard have 4 PCI slots. hmph. |
| [14:45:04] | quicksilver: | I could abandon one of the tuners which doesn't work. |
| [14:45:10] | quicksilver: | hardware troubleshooting is frustrating. |
| [14:46:15] | sphery: | things like the fact that with Xv we have to render text (OSD) at video res (so, say 720x480 with PVR-x50 type video), then upscale the video + text to display res (so, say, 1920x1080), so the text is all blocky and ugly |
| [14:46:46] | sphery: | and the OSD is only as wide as the video (so on pillarboxed 4:3 video on a 16:9 display, you end up with a squished OSD) |
| [14:47:46] | sphery: | and Xv doesn't necessarily scale video appropriately when using non-full screen, which comes into play when we (finally) create the video widget for MythUI, which allows us to play back video in the normal UI |
| [14:47:56] | sphery: | (as a box in one corner or underneath the UI or ...) |
| [14:48:19] | sphery: | Xv is a primary reason we still don't have that video widget (and why we no longer have our "live previews" in Watch Recordings) |
| [14:48:48] | quicksilver: | ah interesting. |
| [14:48:56] | sphery: | quicksilver: or you could get a PCIe nvidia card to replace the 9250 :) |
| [14:48:56] | quicksilver: | I still have a live preview ;) |
| [14:49:05] | sphery: | if you're on 0.22, you don't |
| [14:49:13] | ** quicksilver is on 0.21 ** | |
| [14:49:16] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [14:49:26] | quicksilver: | although at some stage I imagine I will get around to upgrading. |
| [14:49:35] | sphery: | yeah, you do--it got lost when we went to mythui because we decided not to do the terrible hack we had in pre-mythui |
| [14:49:50] | quicksilver: | it's mostly an annoyance for me |
| [14:49:59] | quicksilver: | it makes the watch recordings screen freeze if there is a dodgy recording |
| [14:50:04] | quicksilver: | as you scroll past it. |
| [14:50:20] | sphery: | and, FWIW, another option for those who don't have hardware capable of working with new MythTV is to do as you've done--stick with an older release of MythTV |
| [14:50:32] | sphery: | oh, also, your MythTV is old enough there are no playback profiles |
| [14:50:48] | sphery: | and the only video rendering in 0.21 was Xv, so you're not using OpenGL video |
| [14:51:00] | ** quicksilver nods ** | |
| [14:51:12] | sphery: | (which makes sense, since even SDTV on a 9250 is quite a stretch for video via OpenGL) |
| [14:51:55] | quicksilver: | hmm. |
| [14:52:03] | quicksilver: | this all only came up because my SATA controller appears to be fried. |
| [14:52:12] | quicksilver: | I don't really *want* to upgrade anything while it works. |
| [14:52:17] | sphery: | but 0.24-fixes still supports Xv (and likely 0.25 will) |
| [14:52:39] | quicksilver: | but if I end up spending money on a new motherboard I suppose I might as well get a CPU which will be able to handle HDTV. |
| [14:52:48] | quicksilver: | since, one day, we'll have HDTV even in stuffy old england. |
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| [14:53:33] | sphery: | heh, yeah... I started getting some HDD errors on my IDE HDD in my remote backend (which has no SATA on board), so I ended up buying a new mobo/CPU/RAM because I already had one PCI SATA controller in there and I didn't want to go with 2 |
| [14:53:55] | sphery: | (funny thing is the HDD errors haven't returned since a reboot, so the new mobo/cpu/ram is just sitting next to the computer, unused) |
| [14:54:49] | sphery: | quicksilver: yeah, on the CPU, the other benefit of modern CPU/mobo is that they are now designed for good power efficiency--and Athlon II or Core 2 or Core i CPU idle at very low power usage, and similar for chipsets, etc. |
| [14:55:23] | sphery: | so a new system could conceivably save you a couple dollars per month on electricity, even at US average prices of $0.12/kWh |
| [14:55:53] | sphery: | granted, it will take a long time to make up the cost of the new system, but it makes the initial pain a little more bearable to think about future savings :) |
| [14:56:11] | ** quicksilver nods ** | |
| [14:56:20] | sphery: | especially if you have an old Pentium 4 or Athlon XP system, you're likely to see nice power savings with a new system |
| [14:56:33] | quicksilver: | sphery: I had a seagate drive die completely, 3.5 years old. |
| [14:56:38] | quicksilver: | they replaced it under warranty |
| [14:56:43] | quicksilver: | and the new one doesn't work |
| [14:56:53] | quicksilver: | leading me to think that the old one killed its SATA channel – or vice versa. |
| [14:57:02] | sphery: | (my remote backend is a 65W TDP Athlon XP, but replacing it with a 65W TDP Athlon II will likely save me noticeable power) |
| [14:57:19] | quicksilver: | however i haven't yet had time to try the obvious 'swapping disks around onto different ports' test to see which part is fried for sure. |
| [14:57:38] | quicksilver: | it's *possible* seagate sent me a second dud but that seems really unlikely. |
| [14:57:48] | sphery: | heh, I had a Seagate die completely after a few years and they replaced it under warranty, and when I put the replacement in, I got SATA errors that locked up the system and corrupted file system |
| [14:58:08] | sphery: | took me a month to diagnose it--turned out it was the SATA cable (or, likely the connectors on the end of it) |
| [14:58:10] | quicksilver: | fortunately the system was RAID so it's all fine, it's just running degraded. |
| [14:58:17] | quicksilver: | oh, that's interesting. |
| [14:58:33] | sphery: | was completely unproductive with MythTV for a month (I had put it into my MythTV dev system) because of it |
| [14:58:44] | quicksilver: | although I eliminated that possibility with the old one; I ran Seagates test software on the drive plugged in to various cables. |
| [14:59:13] | sphery: | yeah, SeaTools said the drive was fine for me, and only certain usage models triggered the errors |
| [14:59:25] | quicksilver: | it's quite annoying because i have to boot all the way into a kernel to test each time. The BIOS can't see the SATA controllers – only the linux kernel can. |
| [14:59:37] | quicksilver: | sphery: SeaTools couldn't even see the drive! it was definitely dead. |
| [14:59:46] | quicksilver: | (seatools could see my other three drives and they tested fine) |
| [15:00:14] | sphery: | oh, yeah, the one they replaced it couldn't see for me (actually, couldn't even boot the system with it plugged in) |
| [15:00:31] | sphery: | but the replacement that was erroring was "good" according to SeaTools |
| [15:00:38] | ** quicksilver nods ** | |
| [15:00:39] | sphery: | even with the bad cable |
| [15:00:43] | quicksilver: | need time to test. |
| [15:00:50] | sphery: | yeah, that's the tough part |
| [15:00:58] | quicksilver: | unfortunately current routine is get home, read bedtime story to daughter, make dinner, collapse in heap. |
| [15:01:06] | quicksilver: | not much time left for hardware troubleshooting :( |
| [15:01:25] | sphery: | I considered throwing away the HDD to be productive, but my obsessiveness (and need to know what exactly was causing the issue) wouldn't let me let go |
| [15:01:41] | quicksilver: | :) |
| [15:01:42] | sphery: | so I wasted a month in testing (and getting file systems off the drive, just in case, etc.) |
| [15:01:57] | quicksilver: | nothing on this machine I care about |
| [15:02:11] | quicksilver: | a few hundred gigs of TV recordings which I won't miss if they vanish. |
| [15:02:13] | sphery: | figured it was a $10 HDD (since I paid $10 shipping to ship the broken one back to Seagate), so wasn't a big deal to throw it out |
| [15:02:17] | sphery: | but I had to know |
| [15:02:33] | ** quicksilver nods ** | |
| [15:02:42] | quicksilver: | well it might have been something endemic which was going to break other disks |
| [15:02:56] | sphery: | had already bought a new 2TB to replace it (the broken one was a 1.5TB) because I didn't want to put a refurb'ed one in MythTV box |
| [15:03:29] | sphery: | yeah, if the SATA controller is going out, that's scary because it can cause additional problems |
| [15:03:36] | sphery: | so I was glad that wasn't the problem for me |
| [15:04:25] | quicksilver: | thanks for all the advice. I will do my hardware testing and decide what to do next. |
| [15:05:57] | ** quicksilver learns by googling about XvBA but guesses that the myth team don't really want to support two different video acceleration APIs ** | |
| [15:09:46] | sphery: | quicksilver: re: XvBA (or, really, VAAPI, which is the only way to access XvBA): http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/473088#473088 |
| [15:10:15] | quicksilver: | yes, I had a look at markk's ticket ont it |
| [15:11:19] | sphery: | yeah... at this point VAAPI is "not ready for primetime" |
| [15:11:24] | ** quicksilver nods ** | |
| [15:11:38] | quicksilver: | somebody makes the point in that thread you linked though "if it works fine in software, why worry" |
| [15:11:42] | sphery: | we may have support in 0.25 for it, but it's likely to be bad (especially compared to vdpau/opengl video rendering) |
| [15:11:44] | quicksilver: | (not their exact words ;) |
| [15:12:02] | quicksilver: | and since the CPUs we're discussing can all decode HD in software fine |
| [15:12:13] | sphery: | so even AMD video card users would likely be better with OpenGL (which probably means the terrible AMD proprietary drivers) |
| [15:12:25] | quicksilver: | someone else says the VDPAU deinterlacing looks nicer |
| [15:12:36] | sphery: | and, yeah, I'm a fan of software decode |
| [15:12:44] | wagnerrp: | ahhh, dead hand.... |
| [15:13:03] | sphery: | only reason I'm using vdpau decode at all is to try to help diagnose some issues with pausing when decoding with vdpau |
| [15:13:22] | sphery: | (when I want to watch tv to enjoy it, I go with ffmpeg decode and vdpau or opengl rendering) |
| [15:13:57] | sphery: | but that's why I recommend real CPUs--so you have the option to go either way |
| [15:14:01] | ** quicksilver nods ** | |
| [15:14:24] | sphery: | when I mentioned on list that using ffmpeg decode with vdpau rendering works without pauses, all the atom users said, "Well, what can I do?" |
| [15:14:37] | quicksilver: | :) |
| [15:15:05] | quicksilver: | my IR receiver has entirely stopped working too. It's going to be one of those months I think. |
| [15:15:10] | sphery: | The answer I didn't send to the list was, "You made your Atom, now sleep in it." |
| [15:15:21] | sphery: | heh, fun |
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| [15:15:29] | sphery: | hardware failures are so annoying |
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| [15:16:09] | quicksilver: | I think the main nice thing about 0.24/5 for me would be mythnetvision |
| [15:16:16] | sphery: | yeah, that's awesome |
| [15:16:17] | quicksilver: | for iplayer |
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| [15:16:45] | sphery: | (though Phonon sucks--it's failing on some sites, so I get a video window with a gray horizontal bar in it) |
| [15:16:47] | quicksilver: | which could potentially be more pleasant than iplayer/PS3 |
| [15:17:33] | sphery: | where Phonon is the Qt media code that's used by Qt-WebKit, which is used with the Flash plugin, which means I can't actually view Hulu or YouTube, anymore |
| [15:17:36] | quicksilver: | I wonder if lovefilm streaming works on linux. It's only flash, but.... |
| [15:17:45] | sphery: | just need to update gstreamer, then qt, then rebuild mythtv |
| [15:17:59] | quicksilver: | (lovefilm is the UK netflix) |
| [15:18:29] | sphery: | looks like there's not a grabber: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:MythNetvi . . . bber_Scripts |
| [15:18:37] | quicksilver: | I saw that. |
| [15:18:43] | sphery: | plus standard grabbers: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythNetvision |
| [15:18:52] | sphery: | I'm guessing it needs login, so that's probably why |
| [15:19:00] | quicksilver: | If it's possible to make it work at all, I could probably write a grabber. But it may not work at all. |
| [15:19:12] | quicksilver: | I don't use linux much these days so I've never tried :( |
| [15:19:46] | quicksilver: | iplayer is more useful though. |
| [15:19:50] | sphery: | yeah, likely possible |
| [15:19:57] | sphery: | I know some were working on iplayer |
| [15:20:02] | seeker: | quicksilver: Which ir receiver? |
| [15:20:12] | quicksilver: | seeker: it's an iMon built in to the case |
| [15:20:16] | sphery: | and iaml indoro mentioned some ideas for login support |
| [15:20:30] | quicksilver: | seeker: just suddenly stopped working – I assumed it was the remote, but I have replaced the remote. |
| [15:21:18] | seeker: | quicksilver: My nova-t 500 receiver stopped working a while ago |
| [15:22:06] | quicksilver: | hmm. my current mythtv was custom compiled and I can't even remember why, now :( |
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| [15:22:17] | quicksilver: | I think 0.21 had a bug with OSD text size and I applied a patch from an SVN ticket. |
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| [15:30:28] | wagnerrp: | beta for thunderbird 5.0 released... wait, i think im still on 2.x |
| [15:35:42] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, they're forcing upgrade from 3.5 and below now |
| [15:39:13] | wagnerrp: | i /know/ there has never been a 4.x |
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| [15:46:00] | quicksilver: | wagnerrp: yes, they decided to skip it to resync with firefox numbering. |
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| [16:49:09] | bobgill: | How do I delete a lot of recordings at once? I have about 50 of one program and want to delete say 40 of them (without having to one-by-one) |
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| [16:59:45] | Hoxzer: | bobgill: Add them to playlist and choose "delete playlist" |
| [17:00:09] | Hoxzer: | however the recordings will have to have same name in order for you to add them easily at once |
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| [17:06:58] | bobgill: | Hoxzer: ok, thanks. I haven't used the Myth FE in a long time (stream via VLC primarily) so I'm in it right now, and I just hit the Menu on the desired group, and hit Add this group to playlist. Now how do I go into the playlist and remove a few of the recordings from it, leaving only the ones I want to delete? In Toggle Playlist options I don't see an option to "edit" it or anything |
| [17:07:36] | Hoxzer: | it should be in playlist options imho O_o |
| [17:07:59] | sphery: | bobgill: MENU (to get the same "group" menu--so might need to hit it 2x if you're in the right side list of episodes) then Playlist Options|Delete (or Delete and allow re-record) |
| [17:08:13] | sphery: | which is what Hoxzer said much more quickly than I :) |
| [17:08:58] | bobgill: | ahhh woops, my bad. Forgot to now go to each episode, thanks a lot :) |
| [17:11:19] | wagnerrp: | bobgill: alternatively, there is a python script on the wiki 'delete_recordings' which lets you define a number of search parameters for stuff to delete |
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| [19:30:49] | sphery: | wagnerrp: 4 hours later I notice that you said Thunderbird 5, not Firefox 5... And, yeah, wow, I was expecting a TB4 first. |
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| [19:54:54] | wgwinn: | Is there an easy way to enable frontend remote control via ssh access? the box currently has no input controls |
| [19:56:28] | wagnerrp: | mythfrontend -O NetworkControlEnabled=1 |
| [19:57:50] | wgwinn: | hm.. complains of no display. |
| [19:58:23] | wagnerrp: | did you set the DISPLAY? |
| [19:59:36] | wgwinn: | No. Not sure what it needs, looking that up now. |
| [19:59:55] | wagnerrp: | export DISPLAY=:0.0 |
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| [20:02:25] | wagnerrp: | for reference, thats standard behavior for any X application |
| [20:03:31] | wgwinn: | ah. never really use X much, im more fond of command lines; but sadly the family expects more of the tv :) |
| [20:06:27] | wgwinn: | hm. doesnt seem happy with that either .. xprop: unable to open display ':0.0' .. is there some one to just edit the configuration so it will get it on a restart? im fine with rebooting the machine. |
| [20:08:25] | wagnerrp: | replace :0.0 with the address of your X server |
| [20:08:33] | CiaranG: | If you can't make that work, you could use ssh -X, that's how I use mythsetup on a headless server – I guess it works for the frontend too |
| [20:08:45] | wagnerrp: | note that your user must have access to said X server |
| [20:08:58] | wagnerrp: | if the server is running as mythtv, and you are logged in as wgwinn, it wont work |
| [20:09:53] | wgwinn: | hm. logged in as root.. |
| [20:10:24] | wagnerrp: | root may still not have the right to do so |
| [20:10:28] | wagnerrp: | its an Xauth issue |
| [20:10:39] | wagnerrp: | and file permissions alone wont cut it |
| [20:10:44] | wgwinn: | yea, not terribly surprised. lemme see if i can figure out hwat X is running as |
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| [20:20:47] | RayBe: | good evening all |
| [20:20:52] | wgwinn: | well, it says it's listening now in the log file.. and still says no frontends available in the web interface. Guess it'll wait till i get back to the machine. |
| [20:20:57] | wgwinn: | thanks for the help |
| [20:22:31] | RayBe: | whenever i try to run mythfilldatabase, i get a message: FAILED: xmltv returned error code 256. does anybody know how to solve this? |
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| [23:37:57] | Beirdo: | s/CyberKnet/silly boy/g |
| [23:42:56] | JEDIDIAH__: | are there any ready made utilities for bluray disks that will do things like list the tracks in an mpls file? |
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| [23:59:29] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...found something that looks suitable in the libbluray source (in the examples) |
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