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[01:16:13] Guest61998: Does anyone know if that V4L bug that was fixed last night was affecting the database in other ways? I cannot login to the backend from remote machines, or this machine, if the backend IP address is set to anything other than 127.0.0.1 (yes, bind-address is not in /etc/my.cnf and bind-address = 192.168.1.2 is).
[01:16:39] Guest61998 is now known as jst
[01:17:53] jst: If I run this: mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg (password: mythtv) and then type "show tables" once logged in, should they be empty?
[01:17:57] jst: They only show up for root.
[01:18:37] jst: Ohh, nevermind, forgot a ; :)
[01:18:46] wagnerrp: Guest20228: no, the change only added the headers that were previously removed from the kernel
[01:18:54] jst: Okay.
[01:19:02] jst: == Guest20228. :)
[01:19:04] jst: This is so strange.
[01:19:56] jst: No firewall (as far as I can tell, iptables is off). bind-address = 192.168.1.2 is set. And the thing that denies remote connections isn't in /etc/my.cnf.
[01:20:06] jst: Anyone have any ideas why I can login in locally but not remotely?
[01:20:28] wagnerrp: your backend is not configured for network access
[01:20:36] wagnerrp: check 'netstat' to see if its actually listening
[01:22:07] jst: What should I be looking for? | grep myth or something?
[01:22:13] jst: I see mysql is running.
[01:24:08] wagnerrp: try 3306
[01:24:57] jst: No, nothing.
[01:26:51] jst: Let me try to nc from another box into that port.
[01:27:17] jst: Yeah, it sees it.
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[01:29:37] jst: nmap says it's open too. this is so strange.
[01:40:25] jams: could check /etc/hosts.allow or /etc/hosts.deny (if your system uses those files)
[01:40:47] wagnerrp: !seen jya
[01:40:47] MythLogBot: jya was last seen 1 day 13 hours 29 minutes 14 seconds ago
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[01:42:58] momelod: Greetings channel.
[01:43:22] momelod: is it possible to blow away all my video meta-data and force a full refresh?
[01:44:07] wagnerrp: cue sphery
[01:44:22] plut0: hey guys, i pointed out earlier vdpau playback for x264 encoded files had messed up video, i just tried with mplayer and vdpau and it works fine, can someone help?
[01:44:47] wagnerrp: mplayer handled VDPAU differently
[01:45:02] wagnerrp: and forces it to allocate a higher amount of memory than standard for reference frames
[01:45:38] wagnerrp: there is a debugging option in mythtv to do this, but i dont remember what it is
[01:45:46] wagnerrp: and IMHO, it shouldnt be used anyway
[01:45:48] plut0: seems like a bug no? or am i missing something
[01:46:05] wagnerrp: not exactly
[01:46:27] plut0: even though i can't replicate the issue on mplayer?
[01:46:32] wagnerrp: it forces the nvidia card to operate outside its documented capability
[01:47:07] wagnerrp: when youre outside documented capability, you can cause unforseen issues, and you can have such capability taken away without warning
[01:47:49] plut0: not sure what you're getting at, and i'm not trying to be a jerk but i dont think blotchy, skippy, random colors is intended on video playback
[01:48:14] wagnerrp: the point im trying to make is that the nvidia card was not intended to be able to decode that content
[01:48:41] wagnerrp: the fact that you can manipulate the driver to allow it to do so does not necessarily mean it should be done
[01:48:50] plut0: i went over this with someone in ffmpeg and he said the file looks fine and its an issue with mythtv
[01:50:33] wagnerrp: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Vdpau#Artifacts
[01:51:27] wagnerrp: could you post the x264 settings line?
[01:51:43] plut0: where is it?
[01:52:08] wagnerrp: plain text, in the first few kb of the video stream
[01:52:30] wagnerrp: if youve multiplexed to mkv, the offsets are to the byte, should it should still show up in plain text
[01:52:31] plut0: from what? ffmpeg?
[01:52:38] wagnerrp: 'less' will do it
[01:52:44] plut0: k
[01:52:58] wagnerrp: just 'less video_file.mkv', should show up plainly
[01:53:22] plut0: x264 – core 115 – H.264/MPEG-4 AVC codec – Copyleft 2003–2011 – http://www.videolan.org/x264.html – options: cabac=1 ref=16 deblock=1:0:0 analyse=0x3:0x133 me=umh subme=10 psy=1 psy_rd=1.00:0.00 mixed_ref=1 me_range=24 chroma_me=1 trellis=2 8x8dct=1 cqm=0 deadzone=21,11 fast_pskip=1 chroma_qp_offset=-2 threads=1 sliced_threads=0 nr=0 decimate=1 interlaced=0 bluray_compat=0 constrained_intra=0 bframes=8 b_pyramid=2 b_adapt=2 b_bias=0 di
[01:53:29] plut0: that what you want?
[01:53:43] wagnerrp: thats the one
[01:54:01] wagnerrp: what resolution?
[01:54:17] plut0: 1920x1080
[01:54:33] wagnerrp: yeah, 'ref' should be more like 3
[01:55:42] wagnerrp: also, for future reference with software decoding, a single encoding thread means you can only use a single decoding thread
[01:56:17] plut0: i used threads when encoding this
[01:56:21] wagnerrp: the 3800+ should be good for maybe 7–8mbps per core
[01:56:34] wagnerrp: two encoding threads, means two slices, means up to two cores can be used for decoding
[01:56:43] wagnerrp: 'threads=1 sliced_threads=0' says otherwise
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[01:57:18] plut0: i used 0 so it probably automatically set that to 1
[01:57:40] wagnerrp: could be, although i thought it should default to num_cores+1
[01:58:05] wagnerrp: well, that might depend on whatever frontend you used
[01:58:28] plut0: encoded on an old p4 single core with hyperthreading
[01:59:01] plut0: where do you set this vdpaubuffersize option?
[01:59:59] wagnerrp: woowee
[02:00:14] wagnerrp: with subme=10... what did that take, like five days to encode?
[02:00:32] plut0: haha well, it was like 3 hours for 50s
[02:00:34] wagnerrp: should be in the playback profile, filter options
[02:00:43] plut0: with veryslow profile
[02:00:47] wagnerrp: in the place where you chose the vdpau decoder
[02:01:29] wagnerrp: seriously, its cheaper to just buy more hard drive space then to waste the money on electricity powering that old P4 to do encodes
[02:01:55] plut0: i know i'm buying a new machine soon, hoping to get the amd bulldozer
[02:02:03] plut0: zambezi or valencia
[02:02:43] wagnerrp: it costs all of like $1 in disk space to store a bluray
[02:03:18] plut0: i'm at the video playback profile screen i dont see vdpaubuffersize anywhere
[02:03:28] jst: Does anyone know why mythbackend would run when /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt's DBHostName=localhost, but fail when DBHostName=192.168.1.2 (the IP of the machine)?
[02:03:38] wagnerrp: there should be something that says 'filter options' or something along those lines
[02:03:46] wagnerrp: it will be a box where you can type it in manually
[02:05:34] plut0: all i see is , if rez > 0 0 -> vdpau & vdpau
[02:05:42] plut0: and a number box next to it
[02:05:51] jst: It's on the next page I think.
[02:05:53] wagnerrp: hit 'edit'
[02:06:50] plut0: i hit edit
[02:06:54] plut0: next page has custom filters
[02:07:00] plut0: add it there?
[02:07:07] wagnerrp: yes
[02:08:33] plut0: amazing, no more artifacts
[02:08:48] plut0: thanks wagnerrp
[02:09:06] plut0: wagnerrp: so how can i avoid this in the future? did i encode it incorrectly?
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[02:09:39] wagnerrp: yes
[02:09:56] wagnerrp: that 'very slow' profile actually meant 'ridiculously insane'
[02:10:26] plut0: there is a slower profile actually ;)
[02:10:32] wagnerrp: it also means that with a much more efficient i7 or bulldozer, you will still never even come close to hitting price parity, versus just buying additional hard drive space
[02:11:09] wagnerrp: at 3 hours for 50 seconds of video, that means over two weeks (that cant be right?) for a full length movie
[02:11:25] plut0: wagnerrp: yeah but keep in mind that is 10 year old cpu
[02:12:19] wagnerrp: but keep in mind that is easily $5 in electricity costs, to save around $0.50 in hard drive costs
[02:12:57] wagnerrp: now an i7 would have somewhere shy of twice the performance per clock as that P4
[02:13:14] wagnerrp: and four cores in a similar power budget
[02:13:23] wagnerrp: which means that encoding profile would still come up short
[02:13:30] plut0: wagnerrp: that is a tough calculation when considering this machine stays on 24/7
[02:13:49] plut0: what is the watt difference between idle vs. 100% busy
[02:14:03] plut0: interesting thought you have, wonder how it would come out
[02:14:06] wagnerrp: yes, but instead of running full tilt at >100W, it would be idling with the disks spun down at maybe 40W
[02:14:24] plut0: 40W idle is probably right
[02:14:41] wagnerrp: and thats assuming you have it run all the time, rather than letting it go into standby
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[02:15:16] plut0: wagnerrp: what specifically in the x264 profile is causing the issue?
[02:15:18] wagnerrp: anyway... its just something people overlook when they transcode
[02:15:47] wagnerrp: they transcode thinking less space means less costs, not considering the other less apparent costs
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[02:16:08] wagnerrp: not to mention your time, and the fact that that CPU is tied up in transcoding, rather than doing something more productive
[02:16:18] wagnerrp: the issue there is your reference frame count
[02:16:32] wagnerrp: reference frames means how many previous frames the decoder has to store in memory
[02:16:43] wagnerrp: because a future frame may draw on them for indexing
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[02:17:27] plut0: thats the only downside? requires more memory?
[02:17:31] wagnerrp: dont quote me on this, but i believe with level 4.1 content (which is what bluray is, and what the purevideo decoder was designed for) supports three reference frames at 1920x1080
[02:17:42] wagnerrp: more memory for frame storage means less memory going somewhere else
[02:18:05] wagnerrp: and thats assuming nvidia continues to allow memory to be dynamically allocated to the decoder at the whim of the controlling application
[02:18:23] plut0: http://mewiki.project357.com/wiki/X264_Settings#ref
[02:18:31] Beirdo: ugh, it's beer time :)
[02:18:31] plut0: default is 3
[02:18:50] plut0: max of 4 for 1080p with regards to 4.1 specs
[02:19:29] wagnerrp: the b_pyramid/b_adept options might cause problems for VDPAU, i dont remember off hand
[02:19:34] wagnerrp: i know they broke my PS3 hard
[02:20:46] wagnerrp: theres no mention of limiting partitons
[02:20:58] plut0: so this profile choose this in order to save space
[02:21:01] wagnerrp: but i know a number of hardware decoders dont like the i8x8 macroblock
[02:21:11] wagnerrp: which is what --no-8x8dct is for
[02:21:26] wagnerrp: save space at the cost of any other possible consideration
[02:21:44] wagnerrp: it likely intentionally limited you to one slice, because multiple slices reduces compressibility
[02:22:44] plut0: wagnerrp: here is the veryslow profile for libx264 http://pastebin.com/jm2fawj6
[02:23:09] wagnerrp: your subme is a bit excessive
[02:23:34] wagnerrp: usually 7 ( hex + rdo ) is a good compromise between speed and efficiency
[02:23:43] wagnerrp: its diminishing returns above that
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[02:24:34] wagnerrp: nevermind, getting things mixed up
[02:24:42] wagnerrp: me=umh is a bit much, but not that bad
[02:25:19] wagnerrp: subme of 6–7 should be sufficient though
[02:25:47] plut0: which is subme? i don't see that
[02:26:56] wagnerrp: should be in the motion estimation block
[02:28:08] plut0: hmm i'm missing libx264 profiles on this machine, wonder why
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[04:17:00] wagnerrp: why are people running quad netburst xeons as myth backends?
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[04:22:35] Beirdo: hehehe
[04:22:49] Beirdo: and not answering questions asked to them
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[04:24:01] wagnerrp: i mean seriously, you could replace that amount of power with a $200 single socket, dual core system
[04:24:02] Beirdo: I bet that guy is running with no swap and runs outta memory even with 4G
[04:24:21] wagnerrp: and make up the difference in power costs in less than a year
[04:24:25] Beirdo: yeah
[04:25:07] wagnerrp: i should get my UPS pollng again and see how much less this new backend is pulling
[04:25:21] Beirdo: heh
[04:25:33] wagnerrp: went from an old 2nd gen opteron, to a phenom II
[04:25:39] Beirdo: OMG, now I'm so unhungry.
[04:25:45] wagnerrp: technically, only 110W TDP to 95W
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[04:26:13] wagnerrp: but onboard video, a chipset capable of fanless operation
[04:28:02] wagnerrp: last i recall, i was somewhere north of 300W between three systems, two switches, five tuners, and 16 hard drives
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[04:32:16] wagnerrp: first, lets see if i can update my frontends
[04:34:18] wagnerrp: christ, why are there so many network traffic schedulers in the kernel?
[04:34:29] Beirdo: heheh
[04:34:59] wagnerrp: hardware multiqueue-aware multi band queuing
[04:35:22] wagnerrp: theyre just making crap up on that one
[04:37:14] wagnerrp: fuel gauge, gas gauge.... just call it a battery monitor
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[04:43:48] wagnerrp: usb attached scsi?
[04:43:53] wagnerrp: why would you ever do that?
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[04:53:14] Beirdo: umm, you have a USB-attached CDROM/DVDROM?
[04:53:38] Beirdo: that is USB-attached SCSI, essentially
[04:55:07] Beirdo: I can see using it for an external tape drive too
[04:57:02] Beirdo: USB2.0 is comparable in speed to most SCSI setups..for a single drive
[04:58:47] Beirdo: of course, I'd probably use esata instead given a choice
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[09:34:29] justinh: ugh. Somebody wants to use animated GIFs in a theme?
[09:37:53] justinh: can't wait to see that
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[09:41:21] justinh: next thing, somebody will complain mythfrontend can't play .mid files in the background
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[09:52:57] sid3windr: how about mod files?
[09:55:26] justinh: hmmm.. dunno, never heard one that made me as angry as a background .mid file could
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[10:11:33] sid3windr: :)
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[10:55:37] Kelerion: justinh: you know a guy in #mythtv-users called "Bon"?
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[10:57:47] justinh: nope
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[10:58:28] justinh: last name voyaggy? ;-)
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[11:58:05] Kelerion: lol..nah... he said he's been using myth for years and years.. and been in here a few times.. he applied for a job where i work in spain... he knew his stuff..wasn't bullshitting...
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[12:02:23] justinh: !seen Bon
[12:02:23] MythLogBot: Bon has not been seen here
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[12:03:17] justinh: Wasn't BSing? So probably not an SEO expert then
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[12:22:28] Muzer: I thought 0.24.1 was supposed to have fixed the broken search of BBC iPlayer?
[12:22:31] Muzer: or has it never worked?
[12:26:53] justinh: no idesa
[12:26:59] Muzer: and in fact, the content doesn't seem to work either :/
[12:27:25] Muzer: (for the "browse" option which isn't easy to use, especially with the default settings)
[12:27:31] justinh: yay for Adobe Flash!
[12:27:35] Muzer: heh
[12:27:37] justinh: just sack it
[12:27:38] Muzer: yeah :p
[12:27:50] Muzer: I tend to use get_iplayer, but I was hoping 0.24.1 had improved it
[12:28:04] justinh: I hope it dies in a fire. get_iplayer too
[12:28:27] Muzer: how hard would it be (not a rhetorical question, I'm actually wanting to know) to write an iPlayer plugin for MythTV that uses a similar method to get_iplayer (perhaps using it as a backend).
[12:28:46] justinh: not hard
[12:28:58] justinh: impossible to have it even be considered an official plugin though
[12:29:16] Muzer: well, I'd be fine with an unofficial plugin ;)
[12:29:30] justinh: and keep it off the radar so the bbc don't go after it
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[12:29:41] Muzer: well, the BBC don't appear to have gone after get_iplayer
[12:29:46] Muzer: they just try to break it :p
[12:29:59] Muzer: oh,
[12:29:59] justinh: there's always that
[12:30:06] Muzer: it could be because it wants me to accept that I'm 16
[12:30:12] Muzer: all the programmes I was trying are 16+ ones
[12:30:41] justinh: go on then. you know you want to... search for Zingzillas
[12:32:10] Muzer: hmm, no, that sort of thing doesn't appear to work either
[12:32:29] Muzer: I doubt it's specifically a flash problem because it works fine in a web browser
[12:32:39] justinh: how about in mythbrowser?
[12:32:42] Muzer: I suppose the BBC have probably just changed the way the web page interacts with the flash object again :p
[12:32:44] Muzer: I'll give that a try
[12:34:01] justinh: hmmm "good understanding of vmware". What's to understand about it?
[12:35:14] Muzer: yeah
[12:35:20] Muzer: iPlayer via MythBrowser appears to work
[12:35:33] Muzer: er
[12:35:35] ben__: plenty of people don't understand it
[12:35:37] Muzer: fullscreen is pretty messed up though :p
[12:35:53] Muzer: I get the left quarter of the screen duplicated on the right quarter, with the right quarter not present :p
[12:36:43] Muzer: the button that enlarges the flash object also doesn't actually enlarge the video in MythBrowser :p
[12:37:03] Muzer: BUT it is playing, which seems to indicate there's (yet another) problem with mythnetvision's iPlayer plugin...
[12:45:09] justinh: if it doesn't work in mythbrowser it won't work in mythnetvision
[12:45:33] justinh: stupid crappy Adobe Flash strikes again :-)
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[12:51:40] justinh: so, even if I was to get MNV working with the script the right way & show the stuff in a browser window, the video wouldn't play without tearing... so I lose every which way
[12:57:17] Muzer: I think the tearing may be an odd problem with my system that only manifests itself sometimes
[12:57:25] Muzer: because I noticed the same problem with the whole Opera window once
[12:57:38] Muzer: so hopefully that's just me-specific and I'll eventually be able to find a workaround for it
[12:57:47] Muzer: (I blame stupid crappy ancient ATi drivers)
[13:00:05] Muzer: in fact, I noticed there was an X update a few moments ago, perhaps restarting X will fix it
[13:00:27] Muzer: DAMN IT UBUNTU, disabling ctrl+alt+backspace
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[13:01:49] justinh: ohhh. ATI. say no more :P
[13:02:31] Muzer: yeah
[13:02:36] Muzer: I plan to get a new GPU when I next have money :p
[13:02:45] Muzer: just some crappy old NVIDIA one will do nicely :p
[13:03:19] Muzer: but this computer only has an AGP slot, so it's either an AGP card, or a decent PCI card which are really hard to come by (but I've noticed there are more modern ones than AGP ones out there)
[13:03:52] justinh: 2nd user AGP cards ftw
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[13:05:13] Muzer: ooh
[13:05:21] Muzer: I think I was right
[13:05:29] Muzer: Mythweb now appears to be working without tearing
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[13:06:04] justinh: open sauce isn't always best. I mean, look at intel video.. ugh. sigh
[13:06:23] Muzer: well, the binary drivers haven't been compatible with this card for about 10 kernel versions
[13:06:40] Muzer: well, Intel video at least plays flash without lag :p
[13:06:42] Muzer: this still doesn't
[13:06:59] Muzer: iPlayer's working via mythweb but it's still horribly laggy, as when I play it in a normal browser :p
[13:07:28] Muzer: is there some IRC channel for the ATi FOSS drivers?
[13:07:45] Muzer: ah, yes, #radeon
[13:07:52] justinh: without lag?
[13:07:58] justinh: you mean *smoothly* ?
[13:08:19] Muzer: well
[13:08:25] Muzer: it plays fine for about 2–3 seconds
[13:08:37] Muzer: then the video (not the audio) either freezes or goes very jerky for about 2 seconds
[13:08:42] Muzer: then it plays fine for another 2–3 seconds
[13:08:43] Muzer: etc.
[13:08:52] justinh: erk. nasty
[13:08:55] Muzer: indeed
[13:09:17] justinh: flash video tears terribly on all my intel video 'enabled' devices
[13:09:21] Muzer: I have a feeling it's the GPU because my netbook handles it fine with the same RAM and a slower GPU
[13:09:30] Muzer: s/GPU$/CPU
[13:15:07] justinh: I think the fact that the tearing is so awful in windows tells me that maybe they simply can't sync to screen redraws.. ever
[13:20:41] JEDIDIAH__: what's the model of the intel GPU?
[13:20:52] JEDIDIAH__: wouldn't be suprised if it is not up to snuff in any OS.
[13:21:27] justinh: can't remember
[13:21:36] JEDIDIAH__: I wonder how something like an AMD HD4280 would do.
[13:22:01] justinh: I think it's GMA500 or something like that
[13:22:25] Muzer: lol
[13:22:26] Muzer: GMA500
[13:22:29] Muzer: that one's hilarious :p
[13:22:32] Muzer: poulsbo?
[13:22:37] justinh: whatnow?
[13:22:44] Muzer: the drivers in Linux
[13:22:45] justinh: how the blinking hell should I know?
[13:23:01] Muzer: I assumed that you run Linux :p
[13:23:03] justinh: I don't follow all the retarded codenames & crap
[13:23:19] JEDIDIAH__: there are simply too many to keep up with.
[13:23:21] Muzer: because if you run Linux on that you'd need to get Poulsbo drivers working as most distros come with them broken out of the box.
[13:23:43] Muzer: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wik . . . set)#Poulsbo
[13:23:55] Muzer: it's actually a much better GPU than most Intel ones but the drivers available are simply shocking
[13:25:16] justinh: AOpen i945GMm-H is the board, so whatever's on that
[13:25:36] JEDIDIAH__: Yes. when last i used intel GPUs, the drivers seemed to be a bigger problem than the lackluster GPU performance.
[13:26:02] justinh: GMA950 actually. LOL
[13:26:05] justinh: whatevs
[13:28:05] justinh: no idea what's in my laptop. something similarly rubbish though
[13:32:48] justinh: what? just found a forum post which reckons you can force flash to use 'acceleration' – presumably meaning colour space conversion & scaling to improve performance
[13:37:09] justinh: they can use opengl rendering, and look for an ID string != SGI – which rules out anything open source, basically
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[13:40:38] justinh: heh adobe have said that they look for that because other methods (maybe glxinfo based?) *crash*. Never heard of glxinfo crashing
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[13:50:21] Muzer: trouble is, no opengl on radeon driver
[13:50:23] Muzer: AFAIK
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[13:50:37] Muzer: though now they've changed glxgears to max out on screen refresh rate you can't really tell :p
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[13:52:41] justinh: no opengl at all? oops
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[13:54:51] Muzer: well, ye.s
[13:54:57] Muzer: there is OpenGL, but I don't think it's accelerated
[13:55:07] Muzer: so it'd just be using OpenGL in the CPU, which would be a complete waste of time :p
[13:55:12] Muzer: I may be horribly wrong :p
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[13:56:31] justinh: I dunno. Adobe isn't known for making efficient video player code – so it might be faster for flash to use software emulated gl :P
[13:56:39] Muzer: good point :p
[13:56:42] Muzer: so how do I do this, then?
[13:56:45] Muzer: force acceleration
[13:56:58] justinh: http://blogs.adobe.com/penguinswf/2008/08/sec . . . _file_1.html
[13:57:04] justinh: apparently. I've not tried it yet
[14:01:42] Muzer: could be out of date (I don't appear to have either of those files)
[14:01:49] Muzer: but I've created one and am giving it a try
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[14:03:24] Muzer: nah, still pretty bad
[14:03:28] Muzer: notsure it's made a difference
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[14:08:39] justinh: heh
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[14:09:43] justinh: ethernet phy oscillator is emitting 3rd harmonics & making a new product fail EMC tests. Pfft. What does it need ethernet for anyway? RS232 was great for years – and no need to worry about IP addressing
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[14:21:08] Muzer: hmmmm
[14:21:28] Muzer: I have all these experimental speed-up options enabled in xorg.conf, but I've just noticed half of them only work in UMS mode :p
[14:21:37] Muzer: so I'm going to try to disable KMS (if it's even possible) and see if it makes a difference
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[15:24:32] zertyu: hello ther
[15:25:00] zertyu: since one week i m getting tired with mythtv configuration with my freebox
[15:25:05] zertyu: anyone can help ?
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[15:25:24] zertyu: can able to watch live channel with mythtv
[15:25:36] zertyu: can"t able to watch live channel with mythtv
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[15:34:39] zertyu: anyone there ?
[15:35:08] sphery: we'd need far more specifics to even guess why it's not working
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[15:47:03] zertyu: what you exactly ?
[15:47:08] zertyu: need
[15:47:22] Muzer: is there a way to advert flag videos (rather than recordings)?
[15:49:46] zertyu: sphery: what do you need exactly ?
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[15:54:36] zertyu: well this my backend http://paste.ubuntu.com/615415/
[15:55:02] zertyu: and frontend http://paste.ubuntu.com/615416/
[15:59:26] zertyu: is that mythtv official channel ?
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[16:43:19] sphery: guess I can't tell zertyu his input connections are broken
[16:44:23] sphery: wonder if he really wants a mac os x backend
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[17:10:46] iamlindoro: sphery: He came in a few days ago with no idea what mythtv was, and then we explained why he shouldn't be trying to run the BE on mac os, and he swore up and down he was going to set up a linux BE
[17:11:11] iamlindoro: Then yesterday we told him that he hadn't set up his inputs/video sources properly
[17:11:19] iamlindoro: but here he is again today with the same misconfiguration
[17:11:31] iamlindoro: All attempts to get him to even glance at the docs have failed
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[17:11:34] devinheitmueller: iamlindoro: I just got caught up on the "Mything thomething" thread. Wow, my head hurts.
[17:11:52] iamlindoro: devinheitmueller: You're telling me
[17:12:14] devinheitmueller: So *many* different things about that thread make me mad.  :-/
[17:12:30] iamlindoro: I tried and tried to be reasonable
[17:12:42] iamlindoro: but the more reasonable I tried to be, the more people unloaded all their junk
[17:12:46] iamlindoro: it's just cluelessness
[17:13:09] devinheitmueller: Well, duh, it was an architectural failure to not just call out to those other existing open source command line tools!
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[17:13:47] iamlindoro: The only thing that really ignored me was, "It's impossible to get started with myth code!" And then when explaining that it's actually quite accessible, and how one might do it, the response was, "But I don't want to be a dev!"
[17:13:53] iamlindoro: er really annoyed
[17:13:54] devinheitmueller: Because obviously the channel scanner should just be a wrapper for /usr/bin/scan, and obviously you shouldn't have your own rendering engine but just sit on top of mplayer!
[17:14:27] devinheitmueller: Then we can take advantage of all of the mplayer developers' contributions!!!!!
[17:14:46] devinheitmueller: Yeah, complexity is a bitch.
[17:14:51] iamlindoro: People are very generous with the time and effort of others
[17:15:28] iamlindoro: I didn't demand that anyone submit patches, but I think it should be fair to say that if you don't like it, and are outright unwilling to help change it, then you don't have a right to demand that it be otherwise
[17:15:32] devinheitmueller: I don't consider myself a MythTV dev, and even I was reading those things and saying, "wow, that is messed up".
[17:16:01] devinheitmueller: (of course, I have developed comparable solutions, so I consider myself familiar with the problem space)
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[17:20:54] iamlindoro: Fundamentally, though, it's just cluelessness
[17:20:59] devinheitmueller: indeed
[17:21:50] iamlindoro: Nearly everything that was insultingly suggested has been suggested and countered more times than I can count-- ie, suggestions to use sqllite, etc.
[17:22:24] devinheitmueller: Well, if that person didn't think of it before, obviously nobody else had ever considered it.  :-)
[17:22:43] iamlindoro: And then there's the folks who want to complain about the player but refuse to submit samples
[17:23:08] devinheitmueller: Well, submitting samples takes time!
[17:23:19] iamlindoro: Our player's devs are amongst our hardest working-- and the player plays everything I have as well or better than mplayer, at least in master
[17:23:33] iamlindoro: We also have countless functionalities that they lack and won't have
[17:23:34] devinheitmueller: Also, I think people get discouraged after opening their 47th bug in various open source projects, only to never have them ever looked at.
[17:23:56] iamlindoro: ie, MHEG, frame-accurate seeking, proper support for all the CC and DVB subtitles types... no other linux player has those
[17:24:10] iamlindoro: We could triage better, but every single bug gets looked at
[17:24:27] iamlindoro: I can minimally guarantee that sphery, wagnerrp, Beirdo, and I read every single bug as it comes in
[17:24:35] iamlindoro: and probably most of the rest of us too
[17:24:40] devinheitmueller: I wasn't criticizing MythTV specifically – it's just the stigma that reporting bugs against FOSS projects is in many cases a complete waste of time.
[17:24:48] iamlindoro: Yeah, I understand
[17:24:53] iamlindoro: it's definitely not with us
[17:25:04] iamlindoro: If something is truly, genuinely critical, we get on it, fast
[17:25:26] iamlindoro: If it's something we can't test, or due to be superceded by some other functionality, it sometimes takes a while
[17:25:31] devinheitmueller: Unfortunately, the definition of "critical" is highly subjective. Whatever problem *I* have is obviously critical.
[17:25:37] iamlindoro: heh, exactly
[17:26:09] devinheitmueller: My HVR-3000 and 4000 boards arrived today. WIll hopefully finally get to fix whatever is screwing up the Myth channel scanner with those boards.
[17:26:26] iamlindoro: That would be great, I know that at least the 4000 is very popular
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[17:26:30] zertyu: hello there
[17:26:39] zertyu: anyone there ?
[17:26:55] devinheitmueller: iamlindoro: Yeah, the 4000 is more popular, since it does DVB-S2 and the 3000 does not.
[17:27:17] devinheitmueller: zertyu: if you see people talking, then there are likely people here.
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[17:27:48] devinheitmueller: ... and if you're not sure, that's what the channel log is for.
[17:28:08] zertyu: ok be happy :)
[17:28:38] zertyu: well i can't probleme with freebox
[17:28:42] zertyu: and mythtv
[17:28:45] kormoc: Mything thomething is a horrible thread
[17:29:17] zertyu: i cant watch freebox channel from mythtv
[17:29:21] zertyu: here is the log
[17:29:41] zertyu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/615415/
[17:29:45] zertyu: for backend
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[17:30:18] zertyu: here is for forground
[17:30:19] devinheitmueller: The log suggests you're running your backend on OSX. Is that correct?
[17:30:20] zertyu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/615416/
[17:30:25] kormoc: zertyu, you told me the other day you were going to be using linux for your backend
[17:31:00] zertyu: yes correct i m using mac os X
[17:31:03] kormoc: zertyu, but in any case, lines 19 to 22 are the ones you need to fix up in the backend log
[17:31:24] devinheitmueller: Good luck with that. If you've never used MythTV before, don't start out by trying an obscure configuration.
[17:32:58] zertyu: of course there is an input
[17:33:18] kormoc: zertyu, but you didn't map it correctly. It's all covered in the docs
[17:33:21] zertyu: i put the link .m3u on mythtv setup
[17:33:46] zertyu: have i to open port on my router ?
[17:34:31] kormoc: no
[17:34:40] zertyu: so what ?
[17:34:40] sphery: 05.31 12:43:19 <+sphery> guess I can't tell zertyu his input connections are broken
[17:34:43] sphery: 05.31 12:44:23 <+sphery> wonder if he really wants a mac os x backend
[17:34:48] sphery: that was when you disappeared before
[17:34:51] sphery: that's the problem
[17:35:05] sphery: i.e. you haven't completed mythtv-setup
[17:35:49] zertyu: well i this is the tutorial i followed
[17:35:51] zertyu: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_on_Mac_OS_X
[17:36:27] zertyu: i m sorry i can't see anything related with mapping
[17:36:45] zertyu: i don't even know what do you mean
[17:36:50] wagnerrp: is there even anything on there related to the backend?
[17:36:52] sphery: in mythtv setup, there are a bunch of options in the main menu that need to be completed in order
[17:36:55] sphery: general setup
[17:36:59] sphery: then capture cards
[17:37:01] sphery: then video sources
[17:37:09] zertyu: of course i redone the tutorial lots of time
[17:37:11] sphery: then input connections (followed by the rest, including storage directories)
[17:37:27] sphery: seems you never did capture cards/video sources/input connections
[17:37:30] kormoc: zertyu, that's not a complete page. it's only the OS X bits, not the setup bits
[17:37:33] sphery: or you're pointing at the wrong database
[17:37:42] zertyu: the results is same each time, is that a fault of using mythtv ?
[17:37:53] kormoc: it's a fault for you not completing the setup
[17:38:34] zertyu: i m get tired with that word : " not completing the setup "
[17:38:44] sphery: really, though, your best bet would be to use the most-common, most-tested configuration--with mythtv (especially backend) on GNU/Linux
[17:38:49] zertyu: how can say that when you don't know the reality ?
[17:38:56] kormoc: ugh
[17:38:56] sphery: and, ideally, start out using a nice mythtv distro, like Mythbuntu
[17:39:02] kormoc: zertyu, fine. Figure it out on your own.
[17:39:04] zertyu: from one week facing that problem
[17:39:36] sphery: zertyu: is it better if I say, "seems you completed the setup incorrectly"
[17:39:50] sphery: because it's one or the other--the logs plainly say your configuration is broken
[17:40:27] sphery: 2011-05–31 17:37:07.284 TVRec(1) Error: Problem finding starting channel, setting to default of '3'.
[17:40:30] sphery: 2011-05–31 17:37:07.329 ChannelBase(1) Error: InitializeInputs(): Could not get inputs for the capturecard. Perhaps you have forgotten to bind video sources to your card's inputs?
[17:40:34] sphery: 2011-05–31 17:37:07.329 IPTVChan(1), Error: InitializeInputs() failed
[17:41:08] sphery: pardon the paste, but that's the logs saying, "Your configuration is not complete or is incorrect."
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[17:42:17] zertyu: let me check that again
[17:44:56] zertyu: is it possible to show you mythtv configuration by pastebin ?
[17:53:04] zertyu: well
[17:53:10] zertyu: 2011-05–31 17:37:07.331 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost
[17:53:12] zertyu: 2011-05–31 17:37:07.332 Scheduler, Warning: Listings source '' is defined, but is not attached to a card input.
[17:53:13] zertyu: 2011-05–31 17:37:07.333 Scheduler, Error: No channel sources defined in the database
[17:53:34] zertyu: connected to db mythconverg at host : localhost
[17:53:54] zertyu: 2011-05–31 17:37:07.333 Scheduler, Error: No channel sources defined in the database
[17:54:10] zertyu: how to define source in db ?
[17:56:53] wagnerrp: you dont, you define the source in mythtv-setup
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[18:07:33] zertyu: what do you mean source ? wagnerrp
[18:08:37] zertyu: i put this url on mythtv-setup : http://mafreebox.freebox.fr/freeboxtv/playlist.m3u -O /home/mythtv/freeboxtv.m3u
[18:13:18] wagnerrp: i mean there are three sections in mythtv-setup you have to go through to define a new card
[18:13:28] wagnerrp: step 2, define the card itself
[18:13:40] wagnerrp: step 3, define a video source that contains the channels that card is capable of tuning
[18:13:53] wagnerrp: step 4, map that video source to one of the inputs on the card
[18:15:07] wagnerrp: if you are adding additional cards to an existing system, depending on your setup, step 3 may be skipped
[18:15:34] Beirdo: step 5... profit
[18:20:01] sphery: and a video source /must/ have a valid name
[18:20:13] sphery: empty string isn't valid
[18:20:28] sphery: surprised mythtv-setup actually accepted that
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[18:32:49] zertyu: there is something missing on mac osx version
[18:33:46] zertyu: i followed this tutorial http://avenard.com/iptv/MythTV.html
[18:34:29] zertyu: on video source setup i can't see grabber
[18:35:18] zertyu: and also connect source input i can't see
[18:36:01] zertyu: i can't scan for channel
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[20:02:59] lapion: I am getting Qpainter not active aborted errors, while the video is active no problems whatsoever..
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[20:55:47] Beirdo: OK, I almost feel human
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[21:23:35] Slasher`: hi there, wondering if anyone can help me out please? i have a SAA7134/SAA7135HL card and i want to get video input from the s-video port (using the adaptor to plug a BskyB box into the RCA [i think that's what it's called, the red white and yellow sockets]) if possible... have been trying for ages now but cant seem to get it to do it :( it works in tvtime and other programs but not mythtv so any help would be appreciated
[21:24:54] wagnerrp: no you dont
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[21:25:49] Slasher`: hmm?
[21:26:13] wagnerrp: if it works in tvtime, you dont want to use it with mythtv
[21:26:38] Slasher`: why not?
[21:27:06] Slasher`: myth tv offers more custom stuff and eventually i hope to be able to remote control the sky box too
[21:27:09] wagnerrp: if it works in tvtime, that means its a framegrabber
[21:27:16] wagnerrp: you dont want to record off framegrabbers
[21:27:25] Slasher`: ah i see
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[21:27:29] Slasher`: i'm not fussed about recording
[21:27:36] Slasher`: but would be nice to be able to stream it
[21:28:10] wagnerrp: mythtv only records
[21:28:27] Slasher`: i thought it played back "live" and allowed remote control etc?
[21:29:00] wagnerrp: yes, by recording, storing to disk, and streaming to the frontend
[21:29:13] Slasher`: ah i see
[21:29:25] Slasher`: so im guessing framegrabber or whatever it is, is bad quality?
[21:29:55] wagnerrp: not necessarily
[21:30:04] wagnerrp: framegrabber means it only sends raw frames to mythtv
[21:30:15] wagnerrp: leaving mythtv to compress it on the fly manually
[21:30:21] wagnerrp: theyre just generally a PITA to set up
[21:30:34] Slasher`: ah i see
[21:30:41] Slasher`: well yeah so far it has been hah
[21:31:03] wagnerrp: theyre perfectly fine for live playback like tvtime does
[21:31:14] wagnerrp: where the frames are taken out of the tuner, and dumped into the video card
[21:31:21] wagnerrp: and audio is left to do whatever it pleases
[21:31:29] wagnerrp: but recording is a whole different matter
[21:31:38] Slasher`: well shit
[21:31:41] Slasher`: that sucks lol
[21:32:20] iamlindoro: !trout Slasher` channel rules
[21:32:20] ** MythLogBot slaps Slasher` with a channel rules trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **
[21:32:35] Slasher`: sorry
[21:33:03] iamlindoro: S'ok, we just use a bigger fish next time
[21:33:10] Slasher`: lol
[21:33:15] Slasher`: won't happen again
[21:33:24] iamlindoro: np
[21:33:44] Slasher`: ok so... anyone have any recommendations on what i could do?
[21:33:49] Slasher`: bin this card and get another?
[21:34:13] wagnerrp: what card is it specifically?
[21:34:20] Slasher`: ermmm
[21:34:21] Slasher`: hang on
[21:34:49] ** iamlindoro waits for the users list to jump down his throat for telling them the truth **
[21:35:03] Slasher`: lifeview FlyDVB-T
[21:35:15] Slasher`: lol im expecting it to be honest
[21:35:20] Slasher`: i should have researched it more
[21:35:28] iamlindoro: No no, I mean our mailing list
[21:35:28] wagnerrp: Slasher`: that card is perfectly fine for use with DVB-T
[21:35:30] Slasher`: but i needed something cheap and that would fit in a lowprofile pc
[21:35:32] Slasher`: ohh
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[21:35:48] Slasher`: i can't get any channels on DVB-T
[21:36:03] Slasher`: so i figured i could hook up a sky box through the s-video thingy
[21:36:24] iamlindoro: In what country? Thought everyone in the UK had great DVB-T reception
[21:36:36] Slasher`: yeah the uk, i live out in the sticks though
[21:36:51] iamlindoro: And for what it's worth you *can* use the card with the sky box, it's just the audio that's going to be tricky
[21:36:54] wagnerrp: E_PUNYANTENNA
[21:37:06] iamlindoro: The best solution is to get an inexpensive hardware encoding analog device
[21:37:20] iamlindoro: well, best depends on what you want to do, really
[21:37:34] iamlindoro: if you have SKY HD service, you may want something like the Hauppauge HD-PVR, which allows you to capture from the box in HD
[21:37:46] Slasher`: nah it will just be standard sky
[21:37:54] iamlindoro: If you don't care that much and it's SD, buy a PVR-150 from ebay for next to nothing, it will work great
[21:38:15] iamlindoro: http://shop.ebay.co.uk/i.html?_from=R40&_ . . . l-Categories
[21:38:29] Slasher`: too big for a low profile pc?
[21:38:32] Slasher`: :( lol
[21:38:35] iamlindoro: That's the "gold standard" of SD analog capture, has been for years
[21:38:38] iamlindoro: there's a LP model
[21:38:46] iamlindoro: Alternately, you can get the USB equivalent
[21:39:20] Slasher`: hmm
[21:39:45] Slasher`: might be cheaper to go for the usb option
[21:39:54] Slasher`: i just imagined a card would have been more efficient
[21:39:58] iamlindoro: So a used PVR-150 LP model, if you can find one, or a new HVR-1900, which is a USB analog hardware encoder
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[21:40:30] iamlindoro: (and DVB-T tuner)
[21:40:36] Slasher`: woah
[21:40:38] Slasher`: http://www.osoo.co.uk/OEM_WinTV_PVR_150_Mce_M . . . (33087).aspx
[21:40:41] Slasher`: oops
[21:40:46] Slasher`: hit b when i pressed v, sorry
[21:40:57] Slasher`: does that look too good to be true?
[21:41:00] Slasher`: oh
[21:41:02] iamlindoro: It's out of stock
[21:41:04] Slasher`: out of stock doh,
[21:41:05] Slasher`: lol
[21:41:08] iamlindoro: but that's the right device, yeah
[21:41:20] iamlindoro: They're discontinued, which is why you'd need to find it used
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[21:42:22] Slasher`: shame if they work so well
[21:42:50] iamlindoro: It's a digital world these days
[21:43:08] Slasher`: yeah true
[21:43:09] iamlindoro: Most people who are still stuck having to do analog capture want HD, and the Hauppauge HD-PVR is the tool for that
[21:43:13] Slasher`: blah everywhere's out of stock
[21:43:27] Slasher`: i bet they are expensive though?
[21:43:42] Shadow__X: wagnerrp: do you currently use zfs
[21:43:49] Shadow__X: or plan to use it?
[21:45:41] iamlindoro: Slasher`: $185 in the US, no sure what it goes for in the UK
[21:45:56] Slasher`: ouch
[21:46:01] Slasher`: yeah i think i'll give HD a miss for now heh
[21:46:12] iamlindoro: It's worth bearing in mind that Myth is the luxury solution, not the discount one :)
[21:49:58] Slasher`: the Hauppauge HD-PVR is usb?
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[21:52:25] plut0: i just upgraded mysql and mythtv can no longer connect to the database server. However, I am able to connect just fine using the information in the mysql.txt file. What am i missing?
[21:55:04] Slasher`: iamlindoro; do you know what the usb model would be please?
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[21:56:05] plut0: hmm i bet its a broken shared library with qt and mysql
[21:56:10] iamlindoro: Slasher`: HD-PVR is USB, HVR-1900 is also USB and is an SD capture device + DVB-T
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[21:56:28] Slasher`: ok got it, thanks for your help, i'll have a look
[21:56:32] iamlindoro: np
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[22:21:59] Slasher`: iamlindoro; i found a PVR-150 low profile, but it says NTSC/NTSC-J on it – is there maybe a PAL model that you know of? or would the NTSC one do the job?
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[22:23:24] Slasher`: or would both do both?
[22:28:38] iamlindoro: Slasher`, If I recall correctly, the S-Video and composite ports on all PVR-150s can do NTSC and PAL, it's only the tuner that is region specific
[22:28:55] iamlindoro: One of our local v4l developers would know for sure, but I'm 95% on that
[22:28:59] Slasher`: oooh in that case win
[22:29:08] Slasher`: would i be as well asking someone else to confirm it?
[22:29:24] iamlindoro: It would always be worth the confirmation-- I think GreyFoxx has dealt with that before
[22:29:42] Slasher`: ok cheers, seriously – thanks a bunch for your help
[22:29:52] Slasher`: i wish i could leave you some feedback like on ebay for your troubles
[22:29:52] iamlindoro: otherwise, devinheitmueller knows for sure, but he's not here just now
[22:29:57] iamlindoro: haha, thanks all the same
[22:30:08] Slasher`: i'll wait around for a confirmation from someone then and then buy it
[22:30:14] Slasher`: i found one for $40 usd free shipping
[22:38:50] iamlindoro: stoth will also know (ping!)
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[22:57:18] wagnerrp: Shadow__X: yes, ive been using ZFS for several years
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[22:58:02] iamlindoro: devinheitmueller, Can you confirm that any PVR-150 can do NTSC and PAL via the S-Video and composite inputs?
[22:58:22] devinheitmueller: Yeah, that should work. You would only have problems if you were trying to use the tuner input.
[22:58:31] iamlindoro: cool, thanks. Slasher` ^^
[22:58:34] devinheitmueller: (the can tuner is only for a given standard)
[22:58:37] iamlindoro: yeah
[22:59:19] Slasher`: awesome thanks :D
[22:59:38] Slasher`: if there's anything i can do for you guys, let me know
[22:59:45] iamlindoro: I want a pony
[22:59:54] devinheitmueller: I want a DVB-S2 generator.
[23:00:07] devinheitmueller: iamlindoro: if you're going to ask, ask for big.  :-)
[23:00:10] iamlindoro: I want a pony that emits DVB-S2
[23:00:18] wagnerrp: and flies
[23:00:18] devinheitmueller: iamlindoro: I really don't think that you do want that.
[23:00:21] wagnerrp: it has to fly
[23:00:39] iamlindoro: No, it should definitely poop DVB
[23:00:39] Shadow__X: wagnerrp: on freebsd right? i am trying to test out zfs and tried nexenta but that did not seem to boot and was curious if you had any suggestions on what os i should try if i wanted to use zfs
[23:01:40] wagnerrp: yes, running freebsd 8.2 currently
[23:01:45] wagnerrp: been using zfs since 7.0
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[23:02:44] Shadow__X: i know the current version that freebsd has is lower compared to say opensolaris but is that really a downfall or would it really just be dependant on if i needed the newer introduced features
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[23:03:24] wagnerrp: you lose a couple features like deduplication
[23:03:28] Slasher`: unfortunately i can't get you a pony that emits DVB-S2
[23:03:31] Slasher`: i apologise :(
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[23:03:43] wagnerrp: which is where the file system goes out and searches for duplicate blocks
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[23:04:22] wagnerrp: you also lose things like the integrated iscsi server in opensolaris
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[23:04:47] wagnerrp: you can share over iscsi using an external daemon
[23:04:49] wagnerrp: but its not as seamless
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[23:07:38] Shadow__X: oh ok
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[23:10:24] Shadow__X: i knew about deduplication but did not know about iscsi server.
[23:11:25] wagnerrp: freebsd has no native iscsi server
[23:11:31] wagnerrp: so there was none to tie it into
[23:12:02] wagnerrp: zfs doesnt actually run an nfs/iscsi/cifs file server
[23:12:19] wagnerrp: the tools just automatically configure the files for whatever file server the system already has
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[23:12:45] wagnerrp: so for NFS, it populates the exports file, and the kicks the server to get it to reload
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[23:13:56] AndyCap:
[23:14:21] Slasher`: ok 2768p i'll give you for it
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[23:35:29] plut0: where is the option to sync the audio and video for playback?
[23:42:08] iamlindoro: Utilities/Setup->Setup->video->Playback->Setup->Advanced->Util ities->Options->General->Playback options->Advanced Playback Options, "Play video correctly"
[23:42:37] iamlindoro: which is to say, there's no such option, Myth plays audio and video as dictated by the file
[23:43:05] iamlindoro: Each stream has a timestamp, myth keeps them in sync
[23:43:13] iamlindoro: if the audio is out of sync, then there's an encoding problem
[23:43:52] iamlindoro: Myth does permit you to offset the audio in relation to video if you need to account for a broken file
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[23:44:08] iamlindoro: while playing, you open the OSD menu, and select Audio->Adjust audio sync
[23:44:39] Shadow__X: that sounds pretty automatic
[23:45:00] iamlindoro: Shadow__X, ?
[23:45:14] iamlindoro: When you select "Adjust audio sync," you then set the offset amount
[23:45:31] Shadow__X: sorry wagnerrp that sounds pretty automatic i could see how it could seem like it is togoether
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