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| [00:04:22] | Batshua: | That would explain a few things. |
| [00:10:18] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: ping |
| [00:10:35] | Beirdo: | yea? |
| [00:10:50] | skd5aner: | I've been thinking... |
| [00:10:57] | Beirdo: | oh, don't do that. |
| [00:10:58] | iamlindoro: | and yes, he will go to the prom with you |
| [00:11:03] | skd5aner: | I know, right? |
| [00:11:04] | Beirdo: | it's not good for your health |
| [00:11:29] | skd5aner: | -commits ML has trac hooks for tickets... |
| [00:12:01] | skd5aner: | what if you actually removed that from -commits and moved it over to -firehouse... that way -commits is just that, – primary commits to master and -fixes... |
| [00:12:02] | Beirdo: | yep |
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| [00:12:08] | skd5aner: | and -firehose is everything |
| [00:12:08] | Beirdo: | well, no |
| [00:12:15] | Beirdo: | people are used to using -commits |
| [00:12:31] | Beirdo: | I think if we moved it anywhere, it would be to -tickets |
| [00:12:44] | Beirdo: | but I'm sure even more people would complain about that :) |
| [00:12:53] | skd5aner: | well, what about adding it to -firehose regardless? |
| [00:12:59] | Beirdo: | drinking from the firehose is only for those of us that want to do so |
| [00:13:03] | skd5aner: | since it's not really publicized anyway |
| [00:13:18] | Beirdo: | Yeah, we could have it send the email to both, I guess |
| [00:13:58] | skd5aner: | I've stopped following trac tickets, cause I used to read them via -commits, but now only read the -firehose archives... I've been debating even bringing up the suggestion of adding it to -firehose because I'm not sure how much I miss all the trac traffic |
| [00:14:10] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [00:14:31] | skd5aner: | but, it makes sense I believe to probably include it there too... |
| [00:14:56] | skd5aner: | but – I'm just thinking out loud here – ultimately, I'm happy either way |
| [00:15:04] | skd5aner: | a -tickets would be nice IMHO |
| [00:15:11] | Beirdo: | yeah, I personally think it makes most sense being separate completely, but no harm in adding it in to be in both places |
| [00:15:31] | skd5aner: | I'd rather see it filtered in it's own list than just lcikcing next and mixing between tickets and commits |
| [00:15:50] | Beirdo: | it would be less confusing to be sure |
| [00:16:06] | skd5aner: | alright – dinner's ready – i'm off – thanks again |
| [00:16:12] | Beirdo: | no problemo |
| [00:16:32] | ** Beirdo watches a compile fly by ** | |
| [00:20:13] | Beirdo: | workin #6256 |
| [00:21:24] | Batshua: | Right, so I still have no audio. |
| [00:21:25] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, are you INSANE? When mythtranscode is out there TRASHING files? DID YOU NOT READ THE PRIORITIES THAT WERE SET FOR YOU, MAN??? |
| [00:21:28] | Batshua: | I installed the drivers, no dice. |
| [00:21:35] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [00:21:37] | Batshua: | Ideas? |
| [00:21:52] | Beirdo: | I might look at that too, but this one needs a boot to the head :) |
| [00:22:09] | iamlindoro: | I have an idea to breed a shark and an octopus to get an unstoppable killing machine, does that count? |
| [00:22:54] | Batshua: | iamlindoro: Will its teeth and tentacles and ink beat my alsa into submission so that audio on mythtv w orks? |
| [00:22:58] | iamlindoro: | /join #sharktopus-dev |
| [00:24:21] | Batshua: | wagnerrp: Uhm, so ... if alsa doesn't work, and pulseaudio is disabled, then what? |
| [00:24:54] | iamlindoro: | Then you are way outside the scope of a mythtv support channel |
| [00:25:17] | iamlindoro: | you need to fix your distro's audio before you can even consider mythtv-- we rely on you having a system with working audio |
| [00:25:40] | sphery: | iamlindoro: will it have lasers, too? if not, I'm not interested in helping. |
| [00:25:41] | Batshua: | The system's audio is FINE. |
| [00:25:45] | Batshua: | it's only broken in mythtv. |
| [00:26:05] | sphery: | rather than a single laser on a shark's head, you could put one on each of the sharktopus's 8 legs... |
| [00:26:13] | iamlindoro: | Batshua, So then it's not a matter of alsa not working, but rather of you not having configured mythtv properly |
| [00:26:17] | sphery: | now /that/ would be an unstoppable killing machine |
| [00:26:18] | Batshua: | sphery: And one on its fin! |
| [00:26:22] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
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| [00:26:34] | Batshua: | iamlindoro: It's configured to use alsa. What else do I need to do? |
| [00:26:40] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, presumably you are running .24, in which case you can merely go to the audio setup page and scan for devices |
| [00:26:45] | Batshua: | I did that. |
| [00:26:56] | iamlindoro: | Then page through all the available devices and see which works |
| [00:27:41] | iamlindoro: | The scan queries also for what devices it detects-- if none of them works, then you have an ALSA configuration problem-- if one of them does, you have no problem |
| [00:27:46] | iamlindoro: | er queries alsa |
| [00:28:53] | iamlindoro: | of course you will need to be sure that you've not muted the audio outputs in alsamixer |
| [00:29:01] | Batshua: | Right, which was the first thing I did. |
| [00:29:06] | Batshua: | because jaunty used to randomly do that. |
| [00:29:11] | sphery: | and that you've connected cables properly (and to the right sound cards) |
| [00:29:20] | Batshua: | Yup, it was working yesterday. |
| [00:29:29] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, myth can only present you with a list of audio devices reported by your system |
| [00:29:35] | sphery: | and you can test audio outside of mythtv, too, to verify your alsa is properly configured |
| [00:29:45] | Batshua: | yes, it works outside mythtv |
| [00:29:46] | iamlindoro: | one of them will work, or you have a system audio misconfiguration |
| [00:29:58] | iamlindoro: | But there is really no third option |
| [00:30:18] | Batshua: | Sure there is. |
| [00:30:28] | Batshua: | My computer is possessed by the devil. |
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| [00:30:48] | ** Batshua spittakes ** | |
| [00:30:57] | Batshua: | Or ... maybe he's showing up now to take my PVR away. |
| [00:34:34] | Batshua: | Yup. |
| [00:34:37] | Batshua: | None of them work. |
| [00:34:39] | Batshua: | >.< |
| [00:36:01] | Batshua: | Alright, how can I test alsa? |
| [00:37:43] | Batshua: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Using_ALSA's_speaker-test_utility would this be even remotely germane? |
| [00:37:51] | bobgill: | I have downgraded to 2.6.32-lts kernel, recompiled mythtv and ivtv-utils, but still in myth-setup i can't get MPEG option when trying to add video capture card (I have 2 x pvr-150 and have /dev/video0, 1, 24, 25, 32 and 33) |
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| [00:41:55] | Batshua: | >.< |
| [00:42:00] | Batshua: | okay, alsa works. |
| [00:42:03] | Batshua: | except in mythtv. |
| [00:42:05] | Batshua: | where it does not. |
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| [00:45:58] | wagnerrp: | bobgill: ivtv-utils dont do anything |
| [00:46:15] | wagnerrp: | if you dont have the MPEG option in mythtv-setup, then mythtv was compiled without ivtv support |
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| [00:48:00] | bobgill: | wagnerrp: ok, how would I modify to add that so I can recompile it |
| [00:48:21] | wagnerrp: | ivtv support is enabled by default in mythtv |
| [00:48:33] | wagnerrp: | the only reason you would have compiled without it is if you intentionally disabled it |
| [00:48:42] | wagnerrp: | or you were otherwise missing some specific kernel header |
| [00:48:45] | Batshua: | Seriously, I want to cry. Audio was fine, I had other problems, but now I don't even have audio and ... I don't know if it can even be fixed without a fresh install. |
| [00:48:46] | wagnerrp: | namely the v4l ones |
| [00:48:50] | ** Batshua bangs head against walls ** | |
| [00:49:23] | bobgill: | I have this in my package compile file for my distro: --enable-ivtv |
| [00:49:23] | Batshua: | I'm gonna go take a breather, because I know crying on IRC helps nothing. If anyone has an idea, please nickhilight or privmsg. |
| [00:49:38] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: you're such a keyist... |
| [00:49:52] | wagnerrp: | why do you have to discriminate against that caps lock key |
| [00:50:31] | iamlindoro: | Big letters make me insecure about my bits and pieces |
| [00:51:44] | iamlindoro: | Can't wait to see him flip out over the ticket locking |
| [00:51:56] | iamlindoro: | but seriously, are people so immune to common courtesy? |
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| [00:55:22] | bobgill: | here is what I am using for my distro's package system to build, I don't know what else to alter: http://pastebin.com/R3FhR3gB |
| [00:56:06] | iamlindoro: | What a ridiculous configure line |
| [00:56:22] | iamlindoro: | explicitly enabling and disabling a ton of things that auto-detect anyway |
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| [00:56:31] | iamlindoro: | and some which do nothing at all |
| [00:56:47] | wagnerrp: | all of that xvmc stuff should just be disabled |
| [00:56:51] | bobgill: | that is the default one, I haven't edited it at all (comes with package) |
| [00:57:03] | wagnerrp: | --cpu should not be used |
| [00:57:08] | wagnerrp: | if anything, --enable-proc-opts |
| [00:57:09] | iamlindoro: | and the really heinous one, enabling a CPU instruction set |
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| [00:57:38] | iamlindoro: | That is a recipe for crashy packages |
| [00:57:43] | wagnerrp: | oss/alsa/jack/pulse... should all be autodetected based off what is installed |
| [00:58:04] | wagnerrp: | altivec, no need to worry about that unless arch offers PPC binaries |
| [00:58:10] | sphery: | bobgill: are you using a distro built on 2.6.38 kernel headers? |
| [00:58:14] | iamlindoro: | tar cvzf moronpackagers.tar.gz archlinux.dist |
| [00:58:24] | wagnerrp: | distcc and ccache, not sure why you would care to enable or disable those |
| [00:58:32] | wagnerrp: | if theyre installed, use them |
| [00:58:41] | wagnerrp: | if not, then it doesnt matter since they will be disabled anyway |
| [00:59:16] | bobgill: | I am using kernel26-lts and kernel26-lts-headers |
| [00:59:33] | sphery: | bobgill: ls -l /usr/include/linux/videodev.h |
| [01:00:17] | bobgill: | no such file or directory |
| [01:00:39] | iamlindoro: | without that header, you cannot build with v4l/ivtv support |
| [01:01:29] | bobgill: | how do I fix ? |
| [01:01:32] | iamlindoro: | it is a part of all 2.6 kernels through 2.6.37, so it appears that the downgrade of the headers may not have gone according to plan |
| [01:01:43] | sphery: | bobgill: please apply http://code.mythtv.org/trac/raw-attachment/ti . . . upport.patch from http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9789 and try again |
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| [01:01:54] | sphery: | bobgill: and then let me know if all works with that patch applied |
| [01:02:42] | wagnerrp: | sphery: youll enjoy this one |
| [01:03:00] | iamlindoro: | And note right off the bat that that patch merely imports the missing kernel header into myth code (and is not an admission of guilt/responsibility on the part of MythTV developers ;) ) |
| [01:03:11] | wagnerrp: | microsoft's first action after purchasing skype was to suspend the use of skype for astrisk |
| [01:03:25] | sphery: | wagnerrp: nice... so MS |
| [01:03:36] | wagnerrp: | rather than embrace happy paying customers |
| [01:03:38] | sphery: | (actually, I'm surprised that Skype hadn't done that before) |
| [01:03:40] | wagnerrp: | they gave them a big finger |
| [01:03:52] | wagnerrp: | sphery: its a pay service |
| [01:03:58] | wagnerrp: | customer pay skype to be able to use it |
| [01:04:01] | bobgill: | sphery: ok I wget'd that into the build dir, how do I apply it? (sorry I rarely compile stuff) |
| [01:04:07] | sphery: | well, when they're not paying MS for the bridge (isn't it a 3rd party commercial software item?) |
| [01:04:17] | bobgill: | iamlindoro: lol |
| [01:04:20] | sphery: | bobgill: which build dir? |
| [01:04:30] | sphery: | mythtv/mythtv (the one with libs and programs and such)? |
| [01:04:49] | sphery: | if so, patch -Np1 -i mythtv-0.24-fixes-V4L_support.patch |
| [01:05:09] | sphery: | else, if in the mythtv dir (with mythtv and mythplugins), patch -Np0 -i mythtv-0.24-fixes-V4L_support.patch |
| [01:05:17] | bobgill: | sphery: http://pastebin.com/Wtr8k8Ja that is my distro package that I downloaded (PKGBUILD the file I pastebin linked earlier) |
| [01:05:46] | sphery: | you'll have to cd into one of the source code directories to apply it |
| [01:06:04] | sphery: | not sure where that is in there |
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| [01:07:23] | bobgill: | sphery: ok so do I do that after compiling or before? |
| [01:09:22] | sphery: | bobgill: before compiling, cd to the source dir and apply the patch |
| [01:09:42] | sphery: | actually, before /configure/ you have to apply the patch |
| [01:09:52] | sphery: | if you've already done a configure, do a make distclean |
| [01:10:00] | sphery: | then start over from scratch |
| [01:10:20] | sphery: | with: ./configure --enable-proc-opt ; make; make install |
| [01:11:04] | sphery: | ah, and you need your --prefix=/usr in there, too |
| [01:11:19] | sphery: | and --python=python2 |
| [01:11:42] | sphery: | the rest shouldn't be in the configure line (use defaults, rather than forcing stuff, as was already discussed) |
| [01:13:35] | bobgill: | ok its compiling gonna take a while lol but i will msg u when done, hopefully it works :] |
| [01:13:43] | sphery: | what does he mean, "2 severe regressions between 0.23 and 0.24 that without warning destroy original recordings (first the 6-channel audio issue and now this)"? mythtranscode has never supported 6-channel audio, except where you do a lossless transcode |
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| [01:13:57] | wagnerrp: | well you only need the python bit if your distro defines python 3.x as the default |
| [01:14:02] | wagnerrp: | (which it absolutely should not be doing) |
| [01:14:38] | sphery: | bobgill: thanks for testing... I'd like to get that patch in -fixes, but need someone to test it on a system built against 2.6.38 kernel headers (as I only faked such a config to test) |
| [01:15:04] | sphery: | wagnerrp: won't he need it since he's using python2 versus python for the binary name? |
| [01:19:43] | wagnerrp: | sphery: the only reason to be using python2, is because python is not something on the 2.x branch |
| [01:20:04] | wagnerrp: | and then, he probably shouldnt be using python2, but rather python2.6 or python2.7 |
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| [01:20:41] | wagnerrp: | in any case, any sensible distro will map 'python' to some version in the 2.x branch |
| [01:20:56] | wagnerrp: | doing otherwise would be like suddenly switching to perl6 as the default |
| [01:21:12] | wagnerrp: | its a whole new code-incompatible language |
| [01:21:22] | wagnerrp: | its not simply a matter of some modules not being available |
| [01:22:34] | sphery: | yeah, it makes sense that they'd have a python binary (or link), too, but I no longer expect distros to make sense :) |
| [01:23:37] | sphery: | so I guess your statement is probably exactly right (and may simplify things further if he doesn't have a python3) |
| [01:24:05] | sphery: | btw, do you know what the arg is to tell configure a distro uses lib64 dirs? |
| [01:25:13] | wagnerrp: | --extra-cflags=-I<include path> |
| [01:25:27] | wagnerrp: | --extra-ldflags=-L<lib path> |
| [01:25:41] | sphery: | I thought we had a one-stop arg for it... |
| [01:25:44] | sphery: | namenick: ^^^ |
| [01:26:00] | wagnerrp: | who uses a lib64? |
| [01:26:24] | sphery: | fedora |
| [01:26:45] | wagnerrp: | eight years, and 64-bit isnt the primary architecture? |
| [01:26:55] | sphery: | heh |
| [01:27:03] | sphery: | IMHO, having multilib makes no sense at this point |
| [01:27:10] | sphery: | I have no 32-bit libs on my system |
| [01:27:33] | wagnerrp: | hell, ive still got FreeBSD 4.x support on my system, for unknown reasons |
| [01:27:48] | wagnerrp: | thats like being able to run an executable compiled for linux 2.2 |
| [01:28:00] | sphery: | heh, that's crazy |
| [01:28:14] | sphery: | kind of like windows still supporting win 3 apps :) |
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| [01:29:45] | sphery: | anyway, thanks for the lib64 info... had I known we didn't have a special arg, I could have helped him with that hours ago :) |
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| [01:31:20] | wagnerrp: | maybe we do |
| [01:31:37] | wagnerrp: | thats just what im using to get around some funky Lame issue in configure |
| [01:32:07] | wagnerrp: | if you can find a better way to do that |
| [01:32:15] | wagnerrp: | or even better, fix configure so it can find LAME on my system |
| [01:32:17] | wagnerrp: | im all ears |
| [01:43:32] | sphery: | wagnerrp: can you get me the egg or extract the Trac templates, please. I'd like to look through them and see if we can customize our new ticket template to remove the severity and priority and such |
| [01:43:58] | sphery: | wagnerrp: per http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracInterfaceCustomization |
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| [01:44:14] | sphery: | The default Trac templates are located inside the installed Trac egg (/usr/lib/pythonVERSION/site-packages/Trac-VERSION.egg/trac/templates, .../trac/ticket/templates, .../trac/wiki/templates, ++). |
| [01:45:40] | clgshaft: | Hey guys, I changed the theme on my backend, and my front end not longer connects, any ideas? |
| [01:46:26] | sphery: | this would be one of those correlation does not imply causation things |
| [01:47:09] | sphery: | i.e. unrelated events... that said, to find out what's happening, we'd need to see frontend (and possibly backend) log files (in pastebin, please) |
| [01:48:00] | clgshaft: | I'll switch pc |
| [01:48:30] | clgshaft: | Should the host name on the backend be local host or ip, can't remember |
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| [01:51:59] | iamlindoro: | it shouldn't be a hostname at all |
| [01:52:13] | iamlindoro: | it should be a real, addressable ip (ie, not 127.0.0.1) |
| [01:52:27] | clgshaft: | Whatever, I don't get it, network is fine, didn't change a thing |
| [01:52:41] | clgshaft: | They both say localhost |
| [01:53:10] | sphery: | yeah, it's probably the randomizer function in mythtv that tells it to not connect every once in a while ;) |
| [01:53:18] | clgshaft: | Both front ends, front end on the main backend works |
| [01:53:24] | iamlindoro: | if they both say localhost, then no remote frontend will ever be able to connect |
| [01:53:58] | sphery: | and if it says "localhost" in a field labeled "IP address" someone needs to re-read the question :) |
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| [01:54:41] | clgshaft: | . |
| [01:54:45] | sphery: | clgshaft: like iamlindoro said, you should really use routable IP addresses... 127.0.0.1 is always a bad idea |
| [01:54:56] | sphery: | (and localhost isn't an IP address) |
| [01:55:07] | clgshaft: | The backend is set to a ip |
| [01:55:32] | clgshaft: | Front ends say localhost, always have |
| [01:56:00] | iamlindoro: | erm... "say" localhost where? |
| [01:56:24] | clgshaft: | On mythfrontend |
| [01:56:36] | sphery: | iamlindoro: perhaps a larger pair of pliers |
| [01:56:40] | clgshaft: | Setup, general, first page |
| [01:57:04] | iamlindoro: | If they have ever connected to your (remote) backend, then it has not always said localhost |
| [01:57:12] | sphery: | clgshaft: that's database configuration, not backend configuration |
| [01:57:25] | sphery: | clgshaft: you need to run mythtv-setup and check General settings |
| [01:57:36] | iamlindoro: | and that |
| [01:57:48] | clgshaft: | And that has the correct ip |
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| [02:00:21] | clgshaft: | I'll try the old theme again |
| [02:01:01] | iamlindoro: | Theme is irrelevant |
| [02:01:38] | clgshaft: | That's all I changed. Been flawless for a couple months now. |
| [02:03:08] | iamlindoro: | It may be the only thing you recalled changing, but the theme is absolutely incapable of affecting connections between frontends and backend |
| [02:03:09] | iamlindoro: | s |
| [02:03:50] | clgshaft: | I understand that, ip is the same and I can ssh into each machine from the other |
| [02:03:58] | iamlindoro: | IF all the myth settings are correct, it's possible you changed a hostname |
| [02:04:36] | iamlindoro: | So you know you have ip connectivity, but that's only a small part of it |
| [02:05:05] | iamlindoro: | the frontends need to point at the database host-- and unless your DB is running on your remote frontend, "localhost" or 127.0.0.1 is incorrect |
| [02:05:21] | clgshaft: | Ok, hostnames are both localhost, always have been |
| [02:05:44] | wagnerrp: | sphery: seems those fields are all dynamically generated by the python code |
| [02:05:47] | iamlindoro: | sigh |
| [02:05:51] | wagnerrp: | not in the (also python) html |
| [02:05:59] | iamlindoro: | I think you'll need to wait for someone more versed in dentistry |
| [02:06:26] | iamlindoro: | I can't help you solve your problem when we're too busy trying to prove it's not your fault and that nothing has changed |
| [02:06:50] | iamlindoro: | Obviously, something *has* changed, there's a fairly obvious misconfiguration, but you won't fix it because "it's always been that way" |
| [02:07:00] | iamlindoro: | so, best of luck, I'm sure you'll get it worked out |
| [02:07:32] | wagnerrp: | sphery: http://trac.edgewall.org/browser/branches/0.1 . . . et.html#L268 |
| [02:09:12] | clgshaft: | Obviously something has changed, but I have no idea what, other than a simple theme change |
| [02:09:36] | iamlindoro: | "<iamlindoro> the frontends need to point at the database host-- and unless your DB is running on your remote frontend, "localhost" or 127.0.0.1 is incorrect" |
| [02:10:46] | iamlindoro: | if mysql is running on your backend, which in 99.99% of installs it is, then your frontends need to be pointed at *that* (routable) IP, not a hostname which also refers to the frontend, and not 127.0.0.1 |
| [02:12:38] | ** wagnerrp is the exception ** | |
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| [02:13:06] | clgshaft: | That is correct, mysql, and localhost is what the remote friend is set too, always has, once I changed t the ip and it created it's own db, I can change it, the remote front end is starting the select country screen |
| [02:13:23] | wagnerrp: | the remote frontend cannot be set to localhost |
| [02:13:33] | wagnerrp: | because being remote, it cannot access the remote database on localhost |
| [02:13:38] | clgshaft: | Ok, lol I'll change it |
| [02:13:58] | iamlindoro: | the frontend also cannot create a DB |
| [02:14:19] | iamlindoro: | every time I see "always has" I go a little more crazy |
| [02:14:40] | wagnerrp: | clearly you need more beer and tv |
| [02:14:41] | sphery: | that phrase always has been a thorn in your side |
| [02:14:46] | clgshaft: | Lol, ok I'll stop it |
| [02:15:26] | wagnerrp: | sphery: im wrong |
| [02:15:39] | clgshaft: | The remote front end starts to the select country, after ESC, I can see localhost, just change that to the ip? |
| [02:15:54] | sphery: | wagnerrp: really? was reading the code to see if we could change it or just add a hack to not do those fields |
| [02:16:00] | sphery: | would be nice if there's a prettier way |
| [02:16:03] | wagnerrp: | we can add 'and f.name != "priority" and f.name != "severity"' to that line |
| [02:16:14] | wagnerrp: | and it should filter out those two fields |
| [02:16:31] | sphery: | ah, yeah, that was the hack I was thinking of |
| [02:16:35] | sphery: | and milestone, too |
| [02:16:48] | wagnerrp: | a prettier way would be to add a new attribute, 'show_on_new' or something |
| [02:16:57] | wagnerrp: | set it as false to those we dont want shown |
| [02:17:03] | sphery: | in the DB? |
| [02:17:21] | wagnerrp: | in the code, where those field types are instantiated |
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| [02:17:48] | wagnerrp: | it would still be hard coded, but a prettier hard coding |
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| [02:19:14] | clgshaft: | My db is localhost |
| [02:19:43] | wagnerrp: | that at the very least means upnp autodetection will not work |
| [02:19:55] | iamlindoro: | HA |
| [02:20:01] | iamlindoro: | my friend just won The Biggest Loser |
| [02:20:03] | iamlindoro: | hahaha |
| [02:20:25] | wagnerrp: | your friend, or someone with the same name as your friend? |
| [02:20:46] | [R]: | iamlindoro: you know, for years, i always thought it was called the biggest loser because they were all fat losers |
| [02:20:46] | [R]: | haha |
| [02:20:48] | iamlindoro: | no, my actual friend |
| [02:21:06] | iamlindoro: | I thought she was going to get kicked off the show in the first week |
| [02:21:08] | [R]: | like seriously, i didnt understand loser mean they lost the most |
| [02:21:12] | iamlindoro: | but she won |
| [02:22:17] | iamlindoro: | So, hooray for Olivia :) |
| [02:23:03] | skd5aner: | How do I get my big fat loser friends on that show? |
| [02:23:10] | ** skd5aner ducks ** | |
| [02:23:17] | [R]: | lol |
| [02:23:30] | wagnerrp: | is she a blond? with mind powers? |
| [02:23:42] | iamlindoro: | She's actually a super wonderful person, we went to grad school together |
| [02:23:51] | iamlindoro: | so, hooray for well deserved victories, too |
| [02:25:36] | wagnerrp: | crap... ive got insulation in between my fingers |
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| [02:25:52] | wagnerrp: | how is it that stuff still causing problems days and several showers later |
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| [02:31:33] | sphery: | wagnerrp: oh, and we can also include a check for version_output, too :) |
| [02:32:01] | sphery: | though for that, we want to remove it from e-mail template, if possible |
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| [02:36:57] | clgshaft: | Works again, didn't change anything, couple restarts, remote front end is set to ip |
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| [02:49:40] | clgshaft: | Thanks for the help |
| [02:50:11] | sphery: | wagnerrp: any clue how to figure out what $ticket_props has inside it (and, thus, whether we can control how it's output at http://trac.edgewall.org/browser//branches/0. . . . fy_email.txt )? |
| [02:50:22] | clgshaft: | For metadata, movie logos, I have quite a few, but how do get all? |
| [02:52:01] | clgshaft: | Can they be manually downloaded? |
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| [02:53:01] | wagnerrp: | its built in trac/ticket/notification.py |
| [02:53:35] | clgshaft: | Ok, so just keeps updating every time I scan? |
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| [03:10:23] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ah, so we'd need to edit format_props to have it skip version output for emails |
| [03:13:02] | sphery: | and modify whichever of the ticket*.html (maybe ticket.html and ticket_change.html) so version output is hidden or folded by default |
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| [03:38:20] | tgm4883: | sphery, are you just looking for testing for that patch that are on 2.6.38, or do you want testers from previous versions as well? |
| [03:38:44] | sphery: | only on 2.6.38, really |
| [03:38:54] | tgm4883: | ok |
| [03:39:05] | tgm4883: | I'm building it now, got caught up in other stuff |
| [03:39:10] | sphery: | had an Arch user start a build with it earlier tonight, too |
| [03:39:56] | sphery: | thanks for the test... hoping we can verify it and get it pushed sooner rather than later |
| [03:40:22] | sphery: | I'll put it on my (pre-2.6.38) system, too, to verify that config |
| [03:40:26] | tgm4883: | yep, i'll post the bug ppa I'm pushing it to to the bug report in case anyone else wants to test it |
| [03:41:37] | tgm4883: | so what exactly am I looking for when testing this? |
| [03:41:50] | sphery: | thanks--having a ppa should make it easier to test all the relevant cards (ivtv and hdhr being 2 important ones) |
| [03:41:58] | sphery: | which cards do you have? |
| [03:42:15] | tgm4883: | hdpvr and pcHDTV 5500 |
| [03:42:40] | tgm4883: | I don't run 11.04 in my production mythbuntu systems, so i'll have to throw in a fresh HD to test with |
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| [03:43:59] | sphery: | ah, then maybe as a first step, just go into mythtv-setup and see if you have IVTV MPEG-2 encoder card and HDHomeRun DTV tuner box options for new capture card (and then just cancel out) |
| [03:44:01] | tgm4883: | I also have a hvr-1600 (I think) in my test system |
| [03:44:19] | tgm4883: | sphery, I'm assuming I can check that in the build logs :) |
| [03:44:24] | tgm4883: | IVTV support that is |
| [03:45:02] | sphery: | in theory, it should be there... just know that several of the people trying to use the 11.04 builds have said it's not there (with whichever patch is on that build, now) |
| [03:45:11] | sphery: | so was just hoping to visually verify it |
| [03:45:53] | tgm4883: | interesting |
| [03:46:00] | tgm4883: | I'll check it visually |
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| [03:46:10] | sphery: | but looking to verify Video4Linux sup., ivtv support, and HDHomeRun support in configure output is probably enough |
| [03:46:39] | sphery: | oh, wait, it's not HDHR, it's HD-PVR that relies on V4L |
| [03:46:50] | sphery: | so s/HDHR/HD-PVR/ in all my previous comments :) |
| [03:46:53] | tgm4883: | sphery, I knew what you meant |
| [03:46:59] | tgm4883: | I don't have an HDHR anyway |
| [03:47:04] | sphery: | heh... they're way too similar to me |
| [03:52:28] | Beirdo: | the coexist nicely next to each other in my setup |
| [03:53:08] | sphery: | heh, nice |
| [03:53:10] | sphery: | I don't have either |
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| [04:47:08] | Beirdo: | kormoc: http://www.beirdo.ca/git/mythweb/commit/?h=do . . . cb4c04ddd4dd |
| [04:47:36] | Beirdo: | does that look right (converting the last few 2*32 -> 64bit in mythproto) |
| [04:48:20] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: http://www.beirdo.ca/git/mythtv/commit/?h=do- . . . c9ebc6a4bd97 |
| [04:48:28] | Beirdo: | same for you, python side :) |
| [04:48:35] | kormoc: | Beirdo, seems right |
| [04:49:16] | Beirdo: | OK. Thanks :) Just trying to make sure I've hit all the spots that would need it before bumping the proto number, etc |
| [04:49:40] | Beirdo: | and of course, letting it run here to make sure I don't see funkiness |
| [04:49:55] | wagnerrp: | can it be? did someone finally get rid of all that garbage? |
| [04:50:04] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:50:12] | Beirdo: | the ticket's been on my queue for 10 months |
| [04:50:32] | Beirdo: | #6256 |
| [04:51:04] | Beirdo: | hmm, that first one in the python looks like a typo on my part |
| [04:51:21] | Beirdo: | should just be res[0], res[1], no? |
| [04:52:31] | wagnerrp: | yeah, just res[0], res[1] |
| [04:52:59] | wagnerrp: | joinInt/splitInt is just a method pulled in from a parent class |
| [04:53:04] | Beirdo: | K. Let me know if there are any other things... like the class BECache ( ) |
| [04:53:16] | Beirdo: | not sure if the () are needed? |
| [04:53:41] | wagnerrp: | make it ( object ) |
| [04:53:51] | Beirdo: | K |
| [04:53:54] | wagnerrp: | all python classes should at least be a child of object |
| [04:56:26] | Beirdo: | http://www.beirdo.ca/git/mythtv/commit/?h=do- . . . bf46dc6f0702 |
| [04:56:40] | Beirdo: | those two should be amended |
| [04:58:21] | Beirdo: | OK, I guess (locally), I'll bump the proto, and see if I see weirdness |
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| [05:03:30] | banyan: | Hey, quick question. Recently some of my recirdings have OK video but audio that is hardly intelligible, it's basically muted with a fairly loud high-C buzz all over the audio. I suspect it might be one of the video capture devices... any way to identify which card made a particular recording? Or does this sound like some kind of issue people are having? |
| [05:05:42] | Beirdo: | OK, let's rebase this off my new-logging branch for some testing |
| [05:07:48] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: that FreeSpace class, just set the totalspace and usedspace attributes directly |
| [05:07:59] | wagnerrp: | no sense having the intermediate ts/us |
| [05:09:10] | Beirdo: | ah, OK |
| [05:13:03] | banyan: | I don't see a cardid in the recorded table so that isn't going to help me track it down... |
| [05:13:18] | Beirdo: | time for a compile-fest |
| [05:13:45] | [R]: | banyan: do they all use the same video source? |
| [05:13:53] | [R]: | banyan: you could probably check eth ebackend log |
| [05:15:53] | banyan: | oh, good point. |
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| [05:24:47] | banyan: | hm, there's no consistency there but it odes seem like maybe this is happening when one recording immediately follows another one. |
| [05:25:37] | Beirdo: | OK, I missed something |
| [05:25:38] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [05:25:43] | Beirdo: | playback no workee |
| [05:31:04] | banyan: | Hmm, this is a puzzler. I do see a lot of faulty recordings on cardid 2, but not all vardid 2 recordings are bad. |
| [05:31:30] | banyan: | Some of them are back to back but not always. |
| [05:31:46] | banyan: | I just need to see if any card 1 recordings are borked. |
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| [05:37:29] | Beirdo: | ah crap |
| [05:37:30] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:37:52] | Beirdo: | it's wanting exactly 4 strings in the list, and now it's 3 |
| [05:37:58] | Beirdo: | OK, a few more places to tweak |
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| [05:39:11] | banyan: | there haven't been any recent hauppayge standard def card tweaks in the kernel recently...? |
| [05:39:41] | [R]: | sd? |
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| [05:39:45] | [R]: | how can you live with yourself |
| [05:40:46] | banyan: | here's how: I don't need to deal with any cable company BS to capture it. I can actually use mythtv instead of some locked up tuner / pvr box. |
| [05:42:04] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:42:30] | [R]: | i dont dealwith any bs |
| [05:42:37] | [R]: | i shoved my cable box in a closet and havne't touched it since |
| [05:46:00] | wagnerrp: | ford car seat prototype has embedded sensors that can monitor heart rate |
| [05:46:11] | wagnerrp: | allowing for automatic detection of heart attacks |
| [05:46:13] | Beirdo: | beeeeeeeeep |
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| [05:46:32] | wagnerrp: | seriously... how many accidents in the US are caused by people behind the wheel having heart attacks and losing control? |
| [05:46:37] | Beirdo: | driving a Ford causes decreased heart rate |
| [05:46:48] | Beirdo: | sleeping, sure |
| [05:46:56] | Beirdo: | but heart attacks? not many |
| [05:47:35] | wagnerrp: | i would more likely expect false positives, causing the vehicle to randomly slam on the brakes |
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| [05:48:12] | Beirdo: | causing rapid heart rate rise along with many expletives |
| [05:48:17] | [R]: | what if you stole the car |
| [05:48:20] | [R]: | and it makes you heart go faster |
| [05:48:22] | Beirdo: | especially in the snow |
| [05:49:31] | banyan: | See, here in Canada, you don't get ATSC unless you get it via a cable box, that's just the deal. |
| [05:49:35] | Beirdo: | OK, fixed THAT buglet, next... |
| [05:49:41] | Beirdo: | banyan: that is crap |
| [05:49:57] | Beirdo: | I had ATSC in Toronto 5 years ago |
| [05:50:00] | Beirdo: | over the air |
| [05:50:04] | banyan: | but as far as I know that is the way it is in Calgary. |
| [05:50:08] | Beirdo: | Oh |
| [05:50:10] | banyan: | There may be one channel. |
| [05:50:14] | Beirdo: | Calgary != Canada |
| [05:50:15] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [05:50:18] | [R]: | banyan: atsc isn't over cable... |
| [05:52:57] | banyan: | anyhoo, my current issue is with standard def. |
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| [06:01:36] | banyan: | I used to have trouble with using both inputs on my pvr 500. So now I have it just using input 1 on the 500 and the tuner on the 350 card. |
| [06:01:42] | banyan: | I bet that was it. |
| [06:02:05] | Beirdo: | hmmm, any idea what fills the disk usage in PBB? |
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| [06:09:25] | justinh: | Beirdo: think something iterates all the filesize data & adds it up ;-) |
| [06:09:37] | justinh: | been a while since I saw that code |
| [06:10:31] | justinh: | void PlaybackBox::UpdateUsageUI(void) |
| [06:12:31] | justinh: | ah it queries the backend for that info |
| [06:13:52] | Beirdo: | that's what I thought |
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| [06:16:05] | Beirdo: | OK, there's a bug |
| [06:16:25] | Beirdo: | it never gets a UPDATE_FREE_SPACE event... until you delete soemthing or record something |
| [06:16:40] | Beirdo: | the frontend should get one earlier than that :) |
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| [06:17:24] | Beirdo: | oooh, and hitting i on a recording caused a crash |
| [06:17:26] | Beirdo: | sigh |
| [06:17:43] | justinh: | I've noticed it doesn't do much updating |
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| [06:18:56] | justinh: | like when I select a whole swathe of recordings to delete & let it do its thing it can take a while for the changes to be seen. I know, though, that it doesn't need to update much, and there's a fine line between too little & too often ;) |
| [06:19:14] | Beirdo: | OK, I think I need to enter a ticket here :) |
| [06:22:58] | justinh: | so you reckon the backend should signal frontends to say free space has changed? |
| [06:23:10] | Beirdo: | it does |
| [06:23:14] | Beirdo: | just not often |
| [06:24:54] | justinh: | since we're only interested in how much free space there is in storage groups where's the harm? |
| [06:25:12] | justinh: | maybe it could also do it after a user job too if it doesn't already |
| [06:25:30] | Beirdo: | well, we don't want to do it TOO often, but I think we erred far too far on the side of caution |
| [06:30:45] | justinh: | hmmm need to send another reminder to the dog training club committee about reimbursing me for the monies spent on hosting, or the site gets it! |
| [06:31:18] | justinh: | or rather, they don't pay me for last year, and let me have cash for this year's hosting, I won't be renewing it & the host will take it down |
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| [06:32:56] | Beirdo: | understandable |
| [06:33:12] | Beirdo: | OK, now to try NOT to crash this thing so I can test other crap :) |
| [06:33:22] | justinh: | it's not that it's a lot of money. it's the principle |
| [06:42:02] | justinh: | trying hard not to make this email seem like blackmail lol |
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| [06:46:13] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:46:22] | Beirdo: | blame it on yer kid. |
| [06:46:44] | Beirdo: | you need the extra cash for expenses you didn't used to have, blah blah |
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| [06:46:59] | Beirdo: | can't afford to float the bill indefinitely |
| [06:47:08] | justinh: | they're going to be knackered when I move away |
| [06:47:15] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:47:24] | Beirdo: | you chosen a location yet? |
| [06:48:06] | justinh: | we already know the general area. close enough to where the job is (assuming I get it) and our respective parents |
| [06:48:13] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [06:48:33] | Beirdo: | closer to work, closer to family/builtin babysitters |
| [06:48:34] | justinh: | that doesn't narrow it down much so it'll come down to what schools are like in the area etc |
| [06:49:21] | justinh: | when Tom was born my sister was freaking out saying he'd grow up talking like a Mancunian |
| [06:50:06] | justinh: | tbh that prospect hasn't exactly filled us with joy either ;) |
| [06:51:25] | justinh: | wouldn't be so bad if our street didn't have so many old people on it – and the people our age seem pretty ignorant – so yer traditional support network is further afield already. modern life, where nobody gets on with their neighbours sucks |
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| [06:54:12] | justinh: | better back up the site, just incase the committee drag their feet & expect a miracle |
| [06:56:15] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [06:56:52] | justinh: | if I had a fatter upload pipe I could just host it at home |
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| [06:59:49] | justinh: | oh goody. the cgi tools thingy has a backup widget |
| [07:03:48] | justinh: | oh now there's a better way to word autoexpiry options... "keep until... <space needed> <forever>" |
| [07:04:05] | justinh: | http://regmedia.co.uk/2011/05/23/virgin_tivo_3.jpg |
| [07:05:40] | Beirdo: | <hell freezes over> |
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| [07:06:25] | justinh: | lol |
| [07:07:17] | justinh: | oh dear El Reg.. "While some people may prefer the familiar simplicity of Sky+". Simplicity? Oh man, I sat in front of my friend's Sky+ box for an hour trying to work out where the recordings were |
| [07:07:43] | justinh: | you know where Sky+ puts recordings? In the PLANNER screen... where you also set up recordings |
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| [07:08:15] | justinh: | wonder what kind of usage study made them think that was the most logical place |
| [07:09:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [07:09:38] | simonckenyon: | what gets me is the "welcome to the new sky guide". it is 2? years old. |
| [07:10:36] | justinh: | call me weird, but the menu where you set up a recording should be a different one to where you select what to watch |
| [07:12:39] | Beirdo: | as soon as this recording is done, I really need to shut off -v network |
| [07:13:01] | justinh: | logging much? ;-) |
| [07:13:51] | Beirdo: | way too much :) |
| [07:14:19] | justinh: | oh, maybe Apple's ligigious nature is why nobody's yet made a nice small form factor computer as nice as the mini. they're apparently suing samsung for 'copying' the iPhone/iPad's shiny screen & rounded corners |
| [07:14:20] | Beirdo: | the nice thing is.. with the new async logging I'm working on, it really doesn't affect playback at all |
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| [07:19:40] | justinh: | whoah. backup is a 449MB zip |
| [07:19:57] | Beirdo: | that's a lot of woofing |
| [07:20:06] | justinh: | the db is 2.5MB |
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| [07:22:03] | Beirdo: | OK, bedtime for me |
| [07:22:36] | justinh: | hang on, how the hell can a wordpress install be that big? nobody's uploaded that much to wp-content |
| [07:22:46] | justinh: | nighty night |
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| [07:30:31] | justinh: | !!! http://www.cwjobs.co.uk/JobSearch/JobDetails. . . . ;precision=2 £40k for that? :-O |
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| [07:59:00] | justinh: | heh nice idea making a NMT have a simple frontend app. pity about the rapidshare hosting though. |
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| [08:00:21] | justinh: | five minute waiting time for the free download? GET BENT |
| [08:01:19] | justinh: | christ even wordpress lets you upload files like that as long as they're below a certain size – and how big could it be? |
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| [08:15:34] | DataTracer: | Lots of chatter in here huh? :-/ |
| [08:16:38] | justinh: | yeah, if people are saying stuff |
| [08:16:59] | justinh: | sorry nobody greeted you & offered you a virtual beer. it's not like that here |
| [08:17:25] | DataTracer: | HAh hah, I guess not :-) |
| [08:17:30] | justinh: | this is the surly "OI! What do YOU want?" shift |
| [08:18:15] | DataTracer: | I was just bored, so I don't really "want" anytghinf in peticular ;-) |
| [08:19:19] | DataTracer: | just updated my myth box to 10.10 and it's working well, so I'm happy :-) |
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| [08:19:57] | justinh: | wow. we don't hear much of that around here |
| [08:20:03] | DataTracer: | Debating whether or not I should tempt fate and go for 11.04 |
| [08:20:13] | justinh: | normally it's "I just updated and everything broke. WAH!" |
| [08:20:30] | DataTracer: | WEll, it wasn't without its share of broken stuff, but I fixed it |
| [08:20:42] | justinh: | updating to 11.04 is not tempting fate. It's putting your hand into a cauldron of hot coals |
| [08:20:53] | DataTracer: | lol |
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| [08:22:45] | DataTracer: | Guess I'll wait for the next go round then |
| [08:22:45] | justinh: | think my backend & frontend are on 10.04. I have no compelling reason to upgrade |
| [08:22:46] | DataTracer: | My system was broken under 9.04, so I needed to do something |
| [08:23:02] | DataTracer: | Updating seemed like a decent option |
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| [08:23:40] | justinh: | my last backend went a bit South, so I got new hardware together & just slapped 10.04 on it |
| [08:24:31] | DataTracer: | I had my recordings on an XFS partition that took a dive. I was able to recover most of it though |
| [08:24:47] | DataTracer: | Think I might stick with ext4 from now on |
| [08:25:18] | DataTracer: | Not sure if the speed gains are worth the data loss possibility in XFS |
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| [08:28:16] | justinh: | I use xfs for all my media storage |
| [08:28:32] | justinh: | mind, I tend to replace the HDDs on a 2 yearly basis |
| [08:28:36] | DataTracer: | I used to |
| [08:29:06] | justinh: | the root HDD had never been changed. powered up, 24/7 for about 4 years |
| [08:29:48] | justinh: | I can't complain about that kind of lifespan of a HDD :) |
| [08:30:03] | DataTracer: | My last one crapped out after about a year. WD Green drive, ugg, garbage |
| [08:30:34] | justinh: | YMMV with hard diks. Always |
| [08:32:27] | DataTracer: | Very true |
| [08:34:00] | DataTracer: | ok, time to hit the hay. Have a good one justinh |
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| [10:23:57] | ktbos: | rileyp, thanks for the help yesterday. The iPhone now has videos loaded and they work great. |
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| [10:25:47] | ktbos: | It is still hard to believe that there would be guides that recommend using nuvexport even though it doesn't exist in Myth .24. And the handbrake method was really easy. |
| [10:26:10] | rileyp: | no worries cheers |
| [10:26:29] | justinh: | it does still exist |
| [10:26:34] | rileyp: | did you create a script for mythtv to run? |
| [10:26:38] | ktbos: | I'll still follow-up with a post back to the myth mailing list. |
| [10:26:40] | ktbos: | Yes, I did. |
| [10:26:40] | justinh: | what you mean is, you couldn't find a package of it |
| [10:27:16] | ktbos: | justinh, it is docuemented that it is "part of Myth" but I have Myth installed in 3 places and nuvexport isn't in any of them. |
| [10:27:36] | justinh: | no, nuvexport is a script, the source of which is now considered part of mythtv |
| [10:27:48] | justinh: | as in, it's hosted by the project now |
| [10:28:06] | ktbos: | I couldn't find the source even. |
| [10:28:48] | ktbos: | I looked on sourceforge. |
| [10:28:55] | justinh: | sourceforge? ROFLMAO |
| [10:29:06] | justinh: | mythtv doesn't live there anymore |
| [10:29:08] | rileyp: | so now what you do is create a http server and point it at your ipod video folder and you can watch them by opening a webpage... |
| [10:29:25] | rileyp: | on your ipod |
| [10:29:34] | ktbos: | So many freakin cobwebs, hard for a guy to know what is real and what isn't. |
| [10:29:53] | justinh: | ktbos: easy to see how old the sourceforge page is |
| [10:29:59] | justinh: | and nobody should be linking to that |
| [10:30:49] | ktbos: | I also downloaded all the source from the mythtv.org site and nuvexport isn't in the main source or in the plugin source. |
| [10:32:01] | justinh: | what's this then? Scotch mist? https://github.com/MythTV/nuvexport |
| [10:32:10] | rileyp: | http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/mythtv/ is where i downloaded some old themes |
| [10:32:44] | justinh: | I hope they all break soon :-) |
| [10:32:48] | justinh: | death to the old themes! |
| [10:32:49] | rileyp: | where should I be going to download some older stuff? |
| [10:32:56] | justinh: | nowhere |
| [10:33:05] | justinh: | the older stuff was killed off for good reason. It sucked |
| [10:34:03] | ktbos: | justinh, sorry, it was not sourceforge... still looking through browser history to see what it was |
| [10:34:15] | justinh: | and FWIW once you get down to a theme which worked pre-mythui – there's a *lot* of work to do to make it work again |
| [10:34:41] | justinh: | wasted work. a lot of work to make a theme which looks like ass, work again |
| [10:36:54] | rileyp: | i was only after a osd.xml and i got it but its probably the wrong version |
| [10:36:59] | ktbos: | hmmm... I found GitHub in the browser history, so that was one of the sites I tried on Monday. But I swear to you that there were only 3 packages on the list of available packages and they were mythtv, extras, and one more I can't remember. |
| [10:37:47] | ktbos: | Maybe the page conked out loading and I didn't realize it. Well, probably for the best, because the method rileyp pointed me to was easier anyway. |
| [10:38:35] | ktbos: | (Sorry for the sourceforge confusion but happy to have provided some levity to your morning.) |
| [10:38:52] | justinh: | I wish sourceforge would die in a fire |
| [10:39:20] | justinh: | lost count of the number of times I've gone to get something off there & run into dog slog hosting problems |
| [10:39:25] | justinh: | *slow |
| [10:40:00] | rileyp: | ktbos add folder to your mythweb setup and you can stream video straight to your ipod |
| [10:40:31] | ktbos: | rileyp, I was going to get back to you about that.... was typing something... |
| [10:41:07] | rileyp: | with symlinks |
| [10:41:26] | justinh: | there's an actual php thing somewhere which makes an rss you subscribe to with itunes :P |
| [10:41:31] | rileyp: | or if you want all out fancy mythpodcaster |
| [10:41:42] | ktbos: | I want to be able to use the iPhone when I'm not connected to the network in the house where MythTV lives. And if I were in the house, I would use a TV to watch the video rather than the iPhone. So what am I missing? What's the advantage to the streaming? |
| [10:42:33] | rileyp: | nothing if you only want to use it away from home |
| [10:42:52] | rileyp: | outside your wireless network |
| [10:43:21] | ktbos: | Okay, thanks. The primary reason to get video on the iPhone is so that when we are on the plane tomorrow, the kids can watch curious george. :-) |
| [10:43:41] | ktbos: | That peace will be worth all the trouble this week. :-) |
| [10:43:48] | rileyp: | well thats done then :D |
| [10:43:53] | ktbos: | thanks again. |
| [10:44:06] | rileyp: | no worries |
| [10:49:52] | ** Batshua grumbles ** | |
| [10:49:53] | Batshua: | Okay. |
| [10:49:58] | Batshua: | I did a clean install of everything ever. |
| [10:50:06] | Batshua: | I have 100% signal and a partial lock. |
| [10:51:56] | justinh: | when did a clean install of everything over *ever* solve *anything* ? |
| [10:52:08] | justinh: | *on* _linux_ ? |
| [10:52:22] | justinh: | never, is when! |
| [10:52:30] | Batshua: | When everything was irreparably broken, it fixed things last time. and two days ago i could get a signal lock |
| [10:52:58] | justinh: | two days ago your cable STB was prolly happy to give you stuff over firewire |
| [10:53:10] | justinh: | & since then the cable co has withdrawn that privilege |
| [10:53:24] | justinh: | you should really establish that still works outside of mythtv |
| [10:53:31] | Batshua: | I doubt that they've got their shit together that much. |
| [10:53:36] | justinh: | language |
| [10:53:37] | Batshua: | how does one do that? |
| [10:53:47] | justinh: | how did you ever do it originally? |
| [10:54:03] | justinh: | if you never did, do not pass GO, do not collect $200... |
| [10:54:05] | Batshua: | It worked fine for about two years. |
| [10:54:15] | Batshua: | I upgraded to lucid, and everything broke. |
| [10:54:15] | justinh: | yeh stuff can do that |
| [10:54:21] | justinh: | work fine, then stop working |
| [10:54:32] | justinh: | wait – you never mentioned that you upgraded stuff |
| [10:54:33] | Batshua: | so then I somehow fixed it, and it was working on .23-fixes |
| [10:54:45] | Batshua: | but now on .24-fixes it does not play nice |
| [10:54:55] | justinh: | if it was working why did you upgrade? |
| [10:55:02] | justinh: | stupid question |
| [10:55:03] | Batshua: | because I was having OTHER issues. |
| [10:55:18] | Batshua: | I had a whole host of issues and we were working on them one at a time. |
| [10:55:20] | justinh: | so what did you have to do to make it work on lucid? |
| [10:55:34] | Batshua: | God, I don't even remember. |
| [10:55:38] | ktbos: | Batshua, can you watch stuff live through the firewire? Recordings broken too? |
| [10:55:39] | Batshua: | if I did, I'd try it again. |
| [10:55:51] | Batshua: | ktbos: live ain't working. coupla days ago, recordings worked. |
| [10:55:51] | justinh: | partial lock is something you only get in lame TV |
| [10:55:55] | justinh: | I mean live tv |
| [10:56:25] | justinh: | test it outside of mythtv first |
| [10:56:28] | justinh: | when you |
| [10:56:40] | Batshua: | I believe last time, I was advised to delete and re-add the card and inputs |
| [10:56:44] | justinh: | when you establish that works, then you can move forward |
| [10:56:46] | Batshua: | which worked... until it didn't. |
| [10:57:01] | Batshua: | How am I supposed to do that? How does one test it outside of mythtv? |
| [10:57:07] | justinh: | see the wiki stuff about using firewire |
| [10:57:38] | Batshua: | yeah, I read up on it, and it was about as clear as mud. I have a GUID, I know the box is visible |
| [10:58:07] | justinh: | the box is visible but what is the status of stuff coming out? if your cableco has slapped 5C on everything you |
| [10:58:10] | justinh: | arghh |
| [10:58:13] | justinh: | the box is visible but what is the status of stuff coming out? if your cableco has slapped 5C on everything you're boned |
| [10:58:26] | justinh: | stranger things happen |
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| [11:01:24] | Batshua: | wait wait wait |
| [11:01:40] | Batshua: | so I cant' say shit, but you can say boned? what's the language policy in here, anyway? |
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| [11:04:33] | justinh: | one word has more than one meaning |
| [11:04:59] | Batshua: | Oh, so you were saying they were going to remove my bones so I could be a fillet, is that it? |
| [11:05:28] | justinh: | I could have said 'stuffed' but some folks use that in a different context too |
| [11:05:43] | Batshua: | They're about the same level of not really double entendre, imo. |
| [11:05:50] | rileyp: | richard head and mike hunt know all about double meanings |
| [11:05:58] | justinh: | go back to scanning your firewire box :P |
| [11:06:37] | Batshua: | I rebooted to see if that'll reset it. It may be the firewire on this end, and not on that end. |
| [11:07:37] | justinh: | I hear it can be pretty temperamental |
| [11:08:16] | justinh: | this is where you say "meh, but it worked for ages" and then I say "and that's what others have said too when they suddenly found it no longer worked for them for anything but channel changing" |
| [11:08:38] | Batshua: | Okay, if plugreport tells me I have an active node |
| [11:08:48] | Batshua: | then I should be good to go despite my live tv failing? |
| [11:08:55] | justinh: | no |
| [11:09:08] | justinh: | as I understand it that's only confirmation the interface is active |
| [11:09:13] | Batshua: | Then what the heck did plugreport ... just ah. |
| [11:09:17] | justinh: | not that you can get video off of it |
| [11:09:29] | rileyp: | Batshua, if its anything like usb tuner cards if you unplug one and then replug it in a different port and add another then to be on the safe side of myth you remove all tuners and add them again and then make sure your happy with your input name and device mapping |
| [11:09:51] | ** Batshua nods ** | |
| [11:09:56] | Batshua: | I'll do it ... again. |
| [11:10:11] | Batshua: | I know it was working before. I should see if the backside of the pvr has another fw port |
| [11:10:15] | justinh: | Batshua: this looks like what you need to do http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/FireWire#Test-mpeg2 |
| [11:10:46] | justinh: | if plugreport is saying it's all good then I doubt moving to a different port will change much |
| [11:11:50] | justinh: | I think somebody has a script somewhere which can build a list of working channel numbers |
| [11:11:54] | rileyp: | also it pays to delete tuner cards up to 20 times after they are gone if you run say 3 cards and 3 virtual as it takes that many presses to delete all old cards even though there are none in the list I know nothing of firewire though |
| [11:12:11] | justinh: | rileyp: WTH are you talking about? |
| [11:12:21] | Batshua: | batshua@PeeVeeArr:~/libiec61883–1.2.0/examples$ test-mpeg2 -r 1 > test.mpgtest-mpeg2: command not found |
| [11:12:26] | rileyp: | else when you add a tuner it may start at tuner 7 |
| [11:12:30] | Batshua: | ... I told it to compile... |
| [11:13:11] | justinh: | is it executable? |
| [11:13:48] | Batshua: | I followed the directions verbatim. |
| [11:14:00] | justinh: | try ./test-mpeg2 -r 1 > test.mpgtest-mpeg2 |
| [11:14:02] | Batshua: | but I will go see if I can find test-mpeg2 and check |
| [11:14:20] | Batshua: | starting to receive. |
| [11:14:21] | justinh: | hahaha you take stuff on the wiki to be absolute. cute |
| [11:14:49] | justinh: | user generated content: may contain errors or omissions |
| [11:14:54] | Batshua: | I am literal, and while I can substitute where it is logical, I am not exactly one for thinking outside the box. |
| [11:15:12] | Batshua: | How long does one let this run before checking to see if it worked or not? |
| [11:15:25] | justinh: | a few seconds should be enough |
| [11:15:33] | justinh: | try to play the resulting file |
| [11:16:46] | Batshua: | Not sure where it ended up, tbh... >.< |
| [11:17:08] | justinh: | in the directory where you were when you ran it |
| [11:17:18] | Batshua: | DOH |
| [11:17:20] | Batshua: | do over. |
| [11:17:30] | ** Batshua sighs ** | |
| [11:17:39] | Batshua: | this is what happens when I troubleshoot all ngiht ling |
| [11:18:22] | justinh: | this is what happens when the cluebat doesn't work over great distances :P |
| [11:19:42] | Batshua: | dwah, it's a text file? |
| [11:19:49] | Batshua: | oh, the extension is hyphenated |
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| [11:48:25] | exelnet_: | heya. i have writte my own grabber for mythtv. now i wonder what this field means: Typ: Unbekannt (107122366) Is this this the category? And if yes, it seems like this one got detected Typ: series (148753397) Is there a list of available values for those categories? |
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| [11:49:02] | exelnet_: | those known by mythtv, I might map my grabbers data to them |
| [11:49:31] | justinh: | exelnet_: you should follow the xmltv data schema |
| [11:52:04] | exelnet_: | justinh: I did follow it closely. But there is no set for categories according to: http://xmltv.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/xmltv/xmltv/xmltv.dtd |
| [11:52:19] | exelnet_: | justinh: so I wonder why some got detected and some not. |
| [11:53:08] | justinh: | you should probably take this up with the xmltv guys |
| [11:53:23] | justinh: | mythtv only uses xmltv data. it didn't create the standard |
| [11:55:08] | exelnet_: | justinh: well thats clearly somewthing related to mythtv. since mythtv translates the xmltv data to its own format. And during that process something is additionally is done. So I wonder what. Why are some categories and unknown and others are known. And what stands the number for? |
| [11:56:33] | justinh: | eh? there's no list of categories defined? "There's no predefined set of |
| [11:56:34] | justinh: | categories and it's okay for a programme to belong to several" |
| [11:56:38] | justinh: | that's crazy |
| [11:57:08] | justinh: | I guess the category stuff comes from wherever the data comes from |
| [11:57:42] | justinh: | e.g. if the data source you're turning into xmltv calls 'Pingu' "Kids" then that's what you would parse into the data |
| [11:57:50] | exelnet_: | justinh: Ah ok so it might not be the category field. But what does Type: Unknown (107122366) mean? |
| [11:58:00] | justinh: | I don't know |
| [11:58:08] | justinh: | where are you seeing that? |
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| [11:58:23] | exelnet_: | justinh: details view of a show in mythweb |
| [11:59:09] | justinh: | ah |
| [11:59:19] | justinh: | I think the number is a program ID |
| [11:59:31] | justinh: | it's supposed to be a unique number for every different show |
| [12:00:20] | justinh: | and the 'type' is either 'series' or 'movie' or 'special' or whatever |
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| [12:01:49] | exelnet_: | justinh: hmm ok I wonder where this id comes from. it might be something generated from the combined pks in the database. |
| [12:02:08] | justinh: | something which isn't a movie or part of a series, like a one-off thing might be 'unknown' |
| [12:02:29] | exelnet_: | justinh: would it be possible to improve the detection of the correct type by altering my xmltv data? |
| [12:02:34] | justinh: | the program id is generated by mythfilldatabase I think |
| [12:03:30] | justinh: | it might be a number generated from hashing the programme title |
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| [12:04:24] | exelnet_: | justinh: ok the id is the seriesid in the program table, yes that might be. |
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| [12:05:13] | justinh: | ah the number is seriesID then |
| [12:05:18] | justinh: | I didn't look closely enough |
| [12:05:47] | justinh: | seriesID would be a unique number of a show generated from its title I think |
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| [12:06:21] | justinh: | then programme ID would be a unique number for a particular showing – e.g. S01E12 would have a different program ID to S01E13 |
| [12:06:35] | justinh: | but S01E13 & S01E12 should have the same seriesID |
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| [12:07:13] | justinh: | all it means when the type is unknown is that myth doesn't know if it's a movie, part of a series or what :) |
| [12:07:18] | exelnet_: | justinh: so the question remains, why do two shows which have the same main title and the same series id called unknown, instead of series? |
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| [12:07:46] | justinh: | I don't know how that's worked out. you might have to look in the code for mythfilldatabase to find out |
| [12:07:58] | wagnerrp: | because they have no title and are not marked as a generic episode? |
| [12:08:27] | wagnerrp: | subtitle, rather |
| [12:08:36] | exelnet_: | wagnerrp: same title. marked as generic episode? |
| [12:08:49] | wagnerrp: | no idea, just throwing out a guess |
| [12:08:53] | exelnet_: | wagnerrp: they both have a subtitle |
| [12:08:54] | justinh: | ah it's in xmltvparser.cpp :) |
| [12:09:20] | justinh: | QString seriesid = QString::number(ELFHash(pginfo->title.toLocal8Bit() .constData())); |
| [12:09:33] | justinh: | so series ID is a hash of the program title |
| [12:10:45] | exelnet_: | makes sense :=) |
| [12:10:56] | justinh: | type can be one of 4 things: Movie, Series, sports.. and everything else comes out as "SH", whatever that means |
| [12:11:06] | justinh: | or maybe it's 5 including unknown.. unless that's what SH means |
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| [12:12:18] | justinh: | anyway there are only 4 types in the code |
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| [12:16:32] | justinh: | aha |
| [12:16:44] | justinh: | gee, the lengths I'm going to here.. lol |
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| [12:17:30] | justinh: | right. if there's no programid for a showing, the type could be 'unknown (seriesID)' |
| [12:17:44] | rileyp: | ALSA, Error: WriteAudio: buffer underrun Is this an issue? Its in my FE log. It only happens once on livetv playback |
| [12:17:47] | exelnet_: | justinh: ah ok whatever mythtv does it seems to make sense since the data is inconsistent at some points, missing sub or missing ep |
| [12:18:09] | justinh: | exelnet_: it's useful for helping match duplicates |
| [12:18:24] | justinh: | exelnet_: so myth knows a repeat showing is the same show etc |
| [12:19:03] | justinh: | exelnet_: I use uk_rt (tv_grab_uk_rt) & some shows come out like that too – but series generally get listed correctly |
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| [12:20:21] | exelnet_: | justinh: uh but there is one thing mythtv does which should get changed. the epid is only used if no subtitle is present, which means shows with the same subtitle can't be seperated. since the epid is gone. |
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| [12:21:01] | justinh: | no, it means fix your data :-) |
| [12:21:21] | justinh: | or get better data |
| [12:21:50] | justinh: | myth makes the very logical assumption that 2 shows with the same title & subtitle are the same |
| [12:21:54] | exelnet_: | justinh: no it means loss of precision. this shouldn't be done. ommiting a field can't be right |
| [12:22:09] | justinh: | what is it supposed to do – guess? |
| [12:22:29] | justinh: | besides it'd be better to record too often than missing stuff |
| [12:22:53] | exelnet_: | justinh: same title same sub different epid => series |
| [12:23:00] | justinh: | we'd all love 100% reliable data. Unfortunately in the real world it doesn't even happen |
| [12:23:05] | exelnet_: | justinh: instead of same title same sub => crap |
| [12:23:22] | justinh: | same title, same subtitle, LOGICALLY are the same episode |
| [12:25:13] | justinh: | if your listing provider can't give your grabber series & episode numbers that won't help either |
| [12:25:29] | exelnet_: | yes, thats why dropping data is wrong. since the data is unreliable one needs every piece of information, dropping is wrong |
| [12:26:04] | justinh: | but all it would mean is that extra recordings are generated where there isn't any data – and we might end up with more generic episodes than before. Not a big deal |
| [12:27:24] | justinh: | and the programid number has to be generated from something. if the title & subtitle are the same, and there's no series/episode number from the data source how can you make a valid & unique number for programid ? |
| [12:27:42] | justinh: | it's a compromise |
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| [12:28:47] | justinh: | like, there's nothing we can do about a listings provider saying Title:"The simpsons" Subtitle:"" Description:"The adventures of Bart, his mother, his dad & his two sisters" for every episode |
| [12:30:05] | justinh: | sometimes radiotimes give us series & episode numbers, which helps |
| [12:30:12] | justinh: | not always, though |
| [12:30:39] | exelnet_: | justinh: well sure but just leaving out the ep number? is that the fix? |
| [12:30:55] | justinh: | and I agree it's not an ideal choice to have to make but if it means the choice between recording a few more episodes or not seeing a new one I'll take too many recordings |
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| [12:31:42] | justinh: | right... programid=Type+seriesID+episodenumber |
| [12:31:55] | justinh: | seriesID is a hash of the program title |
| [12:32:58] | justinh: | if episode number can't be determined, programid could not be unique |
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| [12:34:15] | exelnet_: | hmm yes makes sense, in an ideal world. but im more into the "more recordings" thing |
| [12:34:25] | justinh: | e.g. Top Gear | 103079474 | EP10307947465 |
| [12:34:41] | justinh: | and another listing of the same show at a different time: |
| [12:34:43] | justinh: | | Top Gear | 103079474 | | |
| [12:34:46] | justinh: | blank programid |
| [12:35:16] | justinh: | because without the number on the end which would make it unique... ;-) |
| [12:35:44] | justinh: | exelnet_: then you will have to push the EPG data provider to improve their service |
| [12:36:45] | exelnet_: | justinh: hehe im trying to integrate multiple providers in the future, that might fix the issue, I hope :=) |
| [12:37:47] | justinh: | If I remember correctly, it was considered to make a hash of the subtitle too – but there are cases where the provider doesn't give subtitles, or the subtitle is wrong... |
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| [12:38:12] | justinh: | generic EPG data annoys all of us |
| [12:38:29] | justinh: | but a lot of us don't have to pay for the data so we have little to complain about |
| [12:38:47] | exelnet_: | for me is an ep of a series: title && (subtitle || ep) |
| [12:39:55] | justinh: | have a look in xmtvparser.cpp & see for yourself :) |
| [12:40:19] | exelnet_: | title && (subtitle | ep) I mean... The epnumber should be used if possible, at least not dropped. |
| [12:40:22] | justinh: | "/* No ep/season info? Well then remove the programid and rely on normal dupchecking methods instead. */ |
| [12:40:25] | justinh: | " |
| [12:40:38] | justinh: | epnumber is no use on its own |
| [12:41:19] | exelnet_: | sure it needs a title as the subtitle does |
| [12:41:43] | justinh: | depends how the numbering works |
| [12:42:02] | justinh: | like in a season if the epnumber goes from 1–12 then in the next season it goes from 1–12 again... useless |
| [12:42:06] | exelnet_: | justinh: but really, after reading that the whole disussion might be pointless since "normal dupchecking" might record it anyway |
| [12:42:16] | exelnet_: | justinh: right, it didnt think about that one |
| [12:42:57] | justinh: | if *your* epnumber is a unique ID, e.g. S02E12 would have an epnumber of '24' then you could do something with the grabber |
| [12:43:26] | justinh: | that'd IF you could rely on that number always being unique for that show |
| [12:43:33] | justinh: | *that's |
| [12:44:24] | justinh: | anyway, I have to go test a camera sensor now. pfft.. Work! |
| [12:45:27] | exelnet_: | justinh: thanks for help and thoughts! :=) |
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| [12:48:26] | devinheitmueller: | mchehab: ping |
| [12:49:01] | devinheitmueller: | Do you plan on responding to the repeated complaints in both the ML and this channel that media_build doesn't compile do to some issue in kinect.c? |
| [12:49:13] | devinheitmueller: | ... it's been broken for at least three days now. |
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| [12:58:39] | wagnerrp: | wrong channel? |
| [12:58:55] | wagnerrp: | !seen mchehab |
| [12:58:55] | MythLogBot: | mchehab has not been seen here |
| [12:59:06] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: crap. sorry. |
| [12:59:10] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [12:59:16] | devinheitmueller: | you're right, I expanded the wrong channel list. |
| [12:59:32] | devinheitmueller: | thanks for the heads up, and sorry for the OT chatte.r |
| [12:59:48] | wagnerrp: | oh, we have plenty of OT chatter |
| [12:59:57] | wagnerrp: | a little more wont even be a drop in the bucket |
| [13:00:14] | devinheitmueller: | Oh, I am well aware – as I find myself having to read past it in the logs. :-) |
| [13:00:29] | devinheitmueller: | This channel has a pretty low SNR at times. |
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| [13:01:24] | wagnerrp: | thats why weve got the other one too |
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| [13:01:58] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: that means I now have to watch *two* sets of channel logs?!? ;-) |
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| [13:45:27] | justinh: | megapixel CCTV camera. With a 2mm lens. Sigh |
| [13:46:46] | wagnerrp: | what use are pinhole cameras? |
| [13:47:01] | wagnerrp: | you cant see crap at night |
| [13:47:19] | wagnerrp: | and the only way to get decent quality during the day is to have an exposure so long you get nasty blurring |
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| [13:56:24] | justinh: | ahhh ha |
| [13:56:28] | justinh: | dead right |
| [13:57:11] | wagnerrp: | sure, you have great focal depth, but when you cant resolve anything within the focused region anyway, who cares |
| [13:58:27] | wagnerrp: | seriously, anyone know who this newacct character on the wiki |
| [13:59:08] | wagnerrp: | every couple months he comes on, scans through the various scripts, makes some syntactical or code flow cleanup, and disappears |
| [13:59:17] | wagnerrp: | im not complaining, he seems to know what hes doing |
| [13:59:22] | wagnerrp: | its just... strange.... |
| [14:01:21] | devinheitmueller: | "newacct" is the sort of account name that I assume should be banned immediately. |
| [14:02:04] | wagnerrp: | hes not a bad user, just an odd one |
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| [14:02:39] | devinheitmueller: | Oh I agree in this case. I'm just saying that usually I would have assumed it was a spambot or something. |
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| [14:12:41] | justinh: | wagnerrp: this is a sensor demo board. dunno how I'm expected to evaluate the sensitivity with that lens |
| [14:13:04] | justinh: | I guess if I test it & it does well it *must* be good lol |
| [14:13:13] | wagnerrp: | shove a big lens in front of it? |
| [14:13:42] | justinh: | in front of the sensor, or the lens? |
| [14:13:53] | wagnerrp: | in front of the existing one |
| [14:14:05] | wagnerrp: | although you would need a pretty funky compound lens to pull that off properly |
| [14:14:09] | justinh: | be tricky getting the distances right |
| [14:14:29] | justinh: | it's the same lens mount as some of the stuff we use here, so maybe.. if I can find a non-DC iris one.. |
| [14:14:49] | justinh: | or I could just pound the manager who wants it tested, to death instead |
| [14:15:56] | justinh: | I got the task because the 2 camera guys are busy in the darkroom evaluating 2 other modules, and I also need to test this in the darkroom. Maybe he thinks I'll stay behind til after they've left |
| [14:16:04] | justinh: | he would be mistaken :D |
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| [14:53:13] | jams: | so sphery or wagnerrp. If I wanted to build a new low power MBE what hardware would you suggest? |
| [14:56:33] | wagnerrp: | dedicated backend? dual core i3 or athlon II, integrated graphics |
| [14:57:06] | jams: | yes dedicated...don't care intel or AMD |
| [14:57:28] | wagnerrp: | the i3s will likely end up lower power overall |
| [14:57:32] | wagnerrp: | the amds will be cheaper |
| [14:58:25] | jams: | any specific i3 worth looking at? |
| [14:59:02] | wagnerrp: | nah, theyre effectively all the same hardware |
| [14:59:11] | wagnerrp: | just different clocks from the binning process |
| [14:59:50] | jams: | ah good to know. Diddn't know for sure if they had a specific low power line |
| [15:00:08] | jams: | same applies to AMD ? |
| [15:00:18] | wagnerrp: | they dont have a low power desktop line |
| [15:00:22] | wagnerrp: | theyre just all low power |
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| [15:00:41] | jams: | well that makes shopping easier |
| [15:01:18] | jams: | thx |
| [15:01:19] | wagnerrp: | http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/25w-performance-pc,2551.html |
| [15:01:40] | wagnerrp: | and note the date, that article is 15mo old |
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| [15:02:57] | jams: | actually thats why i asked in here. Most articles are a tad dated |
| [15:05:02] | jams: | the only other thing that runs on the MBE is xchat. I can't imagine that would need any special consideration =) |
| [15:08:21] | wagnerrp: | nah, actually, ive got xchat running in a jail on my MBE myself |
| [15:11:39] | sphery: | jams: and also, 80 PLUS PSU. :) |
| [15:12:04] | sphery: | (chosen at appropriate size for your expected draw so you're within the 20% to 80% load range) |
| [15:12:11] | jams: | sphery- yeah thats a given..one from antec even |
| [15:12:19] | sphery: | er, 20% to 100% is fine, but probably want some margin :) |
| [15:12:27] | wagnerrp: | sphery: do fast deletes on ext3 deadlock access to that drive, or to the whole disk subsystem? |
| [15:12:29] | sphery: | cool |
| [15:12:35] | wagnerrp: | i.e. would a delete on one drive affect access to another |
| [15:12:45] | sphery: | wagnerrp: good question... |
| [15:12:49] | sphery: | let me play for a bit |
| [15:12:50] | jams: | cheap PSU have bitten me in the past, so I don't mess around with them anymore |
| [15:13:01] | wagnerrp: | nah, dont worry about it |
| [15:13:09] | wagnerrp: | ill have sent this email in a few minutes anyway |
| [15:14:55] | sphery: | I will say, though, that deletes on ext3 aren't nearly as slow, now, as they used to be |
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| [15:15:20] | wagnerrp: | used to be... in the beginning of 2010? |
| [15:15:27] | wagnerrp: | (user running 10.04) |
| [15:16:12] | sphery: | 2010 should be faster than old |
| [15:16:33] | sphery: | I don't know what specifically changed it but around the time they switched to 256B inodes, it got much faster |
| [15:16:51] | sphery: | I /think/ it's the directory hash changes, but not positive |
| [15:17:12] | sphery: | I'd say it's at least 10x--maybe more like 20x faster, now |
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| [15:17:39] | wagnerrp: | im wondering if i should crank up the speed on my delete thread replacement then |
| [15:17:54] | sphery: | I say keep it at the 2min/GB |
| [15:18:04] | sphery: | it's a reasonable (and easy-math) rate :) |
| [15:18:19] | sphery: | and will be 0-impact on any file system, regardless of chosen settings |
| [15:18:26] | wagnerrp: | 2GB/min could still be conceivably reached |
| [15:18:50] | wagnerrp: | i mean change it to like 10GB/min or something, and drop the whole maximum theoretical record rate mess |
| [15:18:56] | sphery: | seems it's only the one drive |
| [15:19:37] | sphery: | though: http://pastebin.com/hfezYKSQ |
| [15:19:50] | wagnerrp: | 2GB/min is 8 ATSC recordings |
| [15:19:51] | sphery: | (only one drive is affected by the delete--the rest of the subsystem seems fine) |
| [15:20:19] | sphery: | but we scale that 2GB/min based on number/type of recorders |
| [15:20:31] | wagnerrp: | yes, im saying we shouldnt bother |
| [15:20:33] | sphery: | so 2GB/min is only "default" for 1–3 recorders, IIRC |
| [15:20:37] | wagnerrp: | its an ugly, messy calculation |
| [15:20:49] | wagnerrp: | and requires access to things i wont have in the manner ive got it set up |
| [15:20:59] | wagnerrp: | since the delete thread is completely detached from the recording mechanisms |
| [15:21:06] | sphery: | ahhh |
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| [15:21:15] | wagnerrp: | the way i have the delete thread written, it operates on plain files |
| [15:21:36] | sphery: | er, 2min/GB is default |
| [15:21:38] | sphery: | then scaled |
| [15:21:48] | wagnerrp: | it relies on the calling function to tie in a slot to be triggered by the delete and take any necessary database actions |
| [15:21:50] | sphery: | 4MiB/0.5s = 8MiB/s |
| [15:22:32] | wagnerrp: | im saying screw the whole thing |
| [15:22:34] | sphery: | so 1GiB/min would be double current speed, and 2GiB/min would be quadruple |
| [15:22:42] | wagnerrp: | set it to a static 5GB/min |
| [15:22:46] | wagnerrp: | oh, 2min/GB |
| [15:22:50] | wagnerrp: | i had that backwards |
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| [15:23:13] | sphery: | yeah, 5GiB/min would be 10x current speed |
| [15:23:50] | wagnerrp: | in any case, im saying just have it as a single database entry, defaulting to something that should never be reached |
| [15:23:56] | sphery: | I say just set a static size on delete thread creation based on number of cards per host (and don't even have to worry about card type/bitrates) |
| [15:24:03] | wagnerrp: | and in the event it is ever reached, the user can manually adjust it in the database |
| [15:24:20] | sphery: | so, basically, pass a number to the constructor and then use that for all deletes? |
| [15:24:26] | wagnerrp: | now your back to cards per host |
| [15:24:42] | wagnerrp: | meaning i have to tap into some external subsystem for recorder access |
| [15:24:50] | wagnerrp: | but this is intended to be used in the mythmediaserver as well |
| [15:24:55] | sphery: | who's creating the delete thread? |
| [15:24:58] | wagnerrp: | which would not have that object running |
| [15:25:06] | wagnerrp: | the delete thread is managed by the file server code |
| [15:25:13] | wagnerrp: | which ive split off from mainserver.cpp |
| [15:25:30] | wagnerrp: | into a modular chunk of backend protocol calls |
| [15:25:49] | sphery: | I just don't like the "add a setting and let users edit it directly" approach in general |
| [15:25:51] | wagnerrp: | so it could be used by a tunerless daemon intended only for file serving duties |
| [15:25:54] | sphery: | we should just figure out and do the right thing |
| [15:26:06] | sphery: | only reason for a setting is when we don't know what the right thing is |
| [15:26:17] | wagnerrp: | the other option... that delete rate is per disk, correct? |
| [15:27:37] | wagnerrp: | the maximum you might see a single recording would be maybe 25mbps off a DVB source |
| [15:27:50] | wagnerrp: | say, you shouldnt be recording more than six shows per disk |
| [15:28:01] | wagnerrp: | so statically set the delete rate to a sensible 150mbps |
| [15:28:29] | wagnerrp: | round it off to an even 10MB/.5s |
| [15:28:46] | sphery: | heh, was just about to say "so, 20MiB/s" |
| [15:29:12] | sphery: | that's 1.5x current low-default, which is probably not a problem |
| [15:29:26] | wagnerrp: | 2.5x |
| [15:29:33] | sphery: | especially if someone is using a file system created in the last 5 years |
| [15:30:08] | sphery: | (versus a file system they constantly dd'ed from drives over the last 20 years ago, and then resized, etc.) |
| [15:30:38] | sphery: | considering my 11GB delete took 1.8s real time and 1.4s sys time on an Athlon XP 2400+ |
| [15:30:53] | sphery: | 11GB = 10GiB |
| [15:31:22] | sphery: | which is a reasonable size for a 2hr recording or so (so, generally, an upper limit for most recordings) |
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| [16:13:37] | wagnerrp: | isnt mark k in singapore? |
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| [16:15:23] | markk: | wagnerrp: I think I know what you're asking – but there are ways... |
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| [16:17:29] | wagnerrp: | shit, coke on the laptop |
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| [16:20:34] | wagnerrp: | markk: out of curiosity, how fast is that scanning code |
| [16:21:00] | wagnerrp: | i know from my experience, and i thought that was one of the reasons for wanting to place that in the backend, my PS3 is horrendously slow |
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| [16:22:13] | wagnerrp: | but ive never used any other upnp clients to know if that was simply a function of the interface |
| [16:22:19] | wagnerrp: | or if its just the PS3 that is that slow |
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| [16:29:13] | markk: | wagnerrp: I've not done a full scan to test – but I've been running with 3/4 other servers on the network. They usually all get identified, 'checked out' and a test scan (i.e. top level of the tree) within a fraction of a second. |
| [16:29:52] | markk: | I'm guessing it wouldn't take more than a couple of seconds to run a full scan – depending on how fast the server responds to the http requests |
| [16:30:03] | wagnerrp: | perhaps it was a deficiency in myth's upnp server itself |
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| [16:30:31] | wagnerrp: | since videos were not presented in any hierarchy, but rather the whole tree was dumped into a big list |
| [16:30:46] | wagnerrp: | it may have just choked on trying to navigate thousands of entries |
| [16:31:19] | markk: | yeah – I'd guess that last point might be an issue |
| [16:32:01] | wagnerrp: | its diet coke, it shouldnt be sticky |
| [16:32:11] | wagnerrp: | i really dont want to have to pop all the keys off my laptop |
| [16:33:29] | wagnerrp: | well if you can get it working in the next month (i assume we'd have at least that much before a freeze) |
| [16:33:40] | wagnerrp: | im sure there are a /ton/ of users would would be appreciative |
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| [17:31:39] | wagnerrp: | GreyFoxx: you around? |
| [17:33:12] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: what about you? |
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| [17:36:45] | Batshua: | weirdness |
| [17:36:55] | Batshua: | I rebooted, and now my mythbox and firewire play nice! |
| [17:37:14] | Batshua: | I also disabled fw reset. |
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| [17:39:20] | Beirdo: | yeah, I'm here |
| [17:39:25] | jams: | "Need flexible pricing? Ask us about our flexi-license offering." flexi-license that term scares me |
| [17:39:52] | wagnerrp: | have you used the ipv6 stuff yet? |
| [17:40:01] | Beirdo: | sorry, was off tweaking the fantasy league. Really need to get that automated |
| [17:40:04] | Beirdo: | not yet |
| [17:40:17] | Beirdo: | I was going to last night, but didn't get to it |
| [17:40:23] | wagnerrp: | it seems you dont really get a choice |
| [17:40:28] | Beirdo: | got caught up in changing hte protocol :) |
| [17:40:28] | wagnerrp: | if you have an ipv6 address, it uses it |
| [17:40:50] | Beirdo: | No, if you have an ipv6 address, it uses bind, etc with IPv6 support |
| [17:40:58] | Beirdo: | which in Linux can do either |
| [17:41:12] | Beirdo: | in BSD, likely means v6 only |
| [17:41:18] | wagnerrp: | ok, well at least on freebsd, it automatically does not listen to my v4 address |
| [17:41:41] | Beirdo: | I guess actually, I am using it :) |
| [17:41:49] | Beirdo: | tcp6 0 0 [::]:6543 [::]:* LISTEN 5707/mythbackend |
| [17:41:52] | Beirdo: | tcp6 0 0 [::]:6544 [::]:* LISTEN 5707/mythbackend |
| [17:41:59] | Beirdo: | but the frontend connects via v4 |
| [17:42:19] | Beirdo: | tcp6 0 0 192.168.1.8%621150:6543 mythfe:44287 ESTABLISHED 5707/mythbackend |
| [17:42:38] | wagnerrp: | but yeah, you can still only have the one address stored in the database |
| [17:42:48] | wagnerrp: | so all my stuff kept trying to connect to something that wasnt listening |
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| [17:43:07] | Beirdo: | right |
| [17:43:20] | Beirdo: | that's because IPv6 listen in BSD is only v6 |
| [17:43:43] | wagnerrp: | well thats troublesome |
| [17:43:54] | wagnerrp: | all or nothing it would seem |
| [17:43:55] | Beirdo: | at least that's my understanding |
| [17:44:08] | Beirdo: | don't worry, it will get tweaked until it's fully working :) |
| [17:44:29] | wagnerrp: | well anyway... motivation to get the bindings migrated over |
| [17:44:36] | Beirdo: | not many people using BSD and master... even with OSX counted in there... so it's not all fixed yet |
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| [18:18:51] | bobgill: | Well I wound up grabbing the Mythtv package from MythTV site and built it w/patch from sphery, and finally got it to show Analog/MPEG capture card in mythtv-setup and system now working. My Arch distro package just wouldn't build when I took out the forced --enable's, but building the pkg I downloaded from Myth site I left defaults and worked. |
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| [18:20:44] | wagnerrp: | its really preferred not to use our packages |
| [18:20:52] | wagnerrp: | although the 0.24.1 will be fairly recent |
| [18:21:55] | wagnerrp: | the preferred method for users and packagers is to follow the fixed branch on get |
| [18:21:57] | wagnerrp: | git |
| [18:21:58] | sphery: | bobgill: and your ivtv card works fine? |
| [18:22:25] | wagnerrp: | those source tarballs are really there for the convenience for packagers that for whatever reason, cannot use git |
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| [18:23:05] | bobgill: | wagnerrp: ok I will do that from here on |
| [18:23:24] | bobgill: | sphery: both pvr-150 working just tested various channels and record fine |
| [18:23:32] | wagnerrp: | i.e. package system does not allow for it, or upstream ideology mandates a static version |
| [18:23:35] | sphery: | bobgill: cool, thanks for the testing/feedback |
| [18:24:00] | bobgill: | np |
| [18:24:06] | wagnerrp: | bobgill: 0.24.1 is only a few days old, so it should be fine |
| [18:24:34] | wagnerrp: | theres just little point to building from source if youre going to run a copy thats 300 bug fixes |
| [18:24:36] | wagnerrp: | old |
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| [18:25:10] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so, what do I need to do to get these trac-page-hacks in place? :) Want me to try throw together a patch against the template for you? Or would it be easier for you just to iteratively change/test? (Once we modify a template: "For a modification to one project only, copy the template to project templates directory.") |
| [18:25:40] | sphery: | and if you're just waiting 'til you have some time to play, that's fine--just wondering if there's anything I can do to help |
| [18:26:23] | wagnerrp: | more im just waiting until i have some time to play |
| [18:26:50] | wagnerrp: | actually, id like to see if we can set up our own branch on github to play with |
| [18:26:57] | wagnerrp: | so we can track all these little changes were making |
| [18:27:21] | sphery: | OK. Thanks. It sounded like you had a very good idea of what needed changing and how, so I figured you had it under control, but wondered. |
| [18:27:32] | sphery: | And, yeah, I think we should put a copy in Git |
| [18:27:57] | sphery: | maybe just throw it in extras? |
| [18:28:06] | sphery: | (I assume trac itself isn't that large) |
| [18:28:24] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but can we import from subversion to a subdirectory in git like that? |
| [18:28:51] | wagnerrp: | id like to do it 'properly' |
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| [18:29:03] | wagnerrp: | so we can maintain a connection upstream for each patch access |
| [18:29:12] | wagnerrp: | easy |
| [18:29:21] | sphery: | ah, that's a good question... Beirdo would be the man to ask. |
| [18:29:35] | sphery: | it sounds like SVN->git is much easier than the reverse, though |
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| [18:32:31] | Beirdo: | are you ever likely to put it back on svn? |
| [18:33:08] | wagnerrp: | not as long as we intend to continue using git |
| [18:33:26] | wagnerrp: | and it should be trivial to produce patches to send upstream from git, right? |
| [18:33:39] | Beirdo: | correct |
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| [18:33:54] | Beirdo: | it's pretty easy to extract usable patches |
| [18:36:01] | wagnerrp: | hahaha.... |
| [18:36:11] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so would we just have a repo based off http://trac.edgewall.org/browser/branches/0.12-stable or their whole repo? |
| [18:36:14] | wagnerrp: | http://forums.dartware.com/viewtopic.php?t=452 |
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| [18:36:46] | wagnerrp: | sphery: just start with -stable |
| [18:37:03] | wagnerrp: | unless in order to do incremental updates, we would need the whole thing |
| [18:37:08] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: ? |
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| [18:37:43] | Beirdo: | don't think you would |
| [18:38:01] | Beirdo: | do you want to suck in all of trac itself and all their history? |
| [18:38:06] | Beirdo: | or just a snapshot? |
| [18:38:14] | wagnerrp: | snapshot is fine with me |
| [18:38:29] | wagnerrp: | im just looking for whatever would allow the easiest update to 0.13+ |
| [18:38:32] | sphery: | kind of like a "vendor branch", where we can pull updates from them |
| [18:38:38] | sphery: | but have our own changes |
| [18:38:45] | Beirdo: | yeah, K. just svn export it, and then create a git repo |
| [18:38:48] | sphery: | (don't know git terminology for that) |
| [18:38:50] | Beirdo: | umm. |
| [18:38:56] | Beirdo: | that's more painful |
| [18:39:07] | Beirdo: | you want to be able to suck in updates from them? |
| [18:39:14] | wagnerrp: | ideally |
| [18:39:14] | sphery: | pull updates may only require us to pull diffs and apply them? |
| [18:39:23] | Beirdo: | then you need to use git svn on a branch that pulls from them |
| [18:39:29] | wagnerrp: | that would be the backup if the first isnt possible |
| [18:39:47] | Beirdo: | and then merge into your master from that branch |
| [18:40:02] | sphery: | git svn would make it a much larger repo, right (because it would pull all their history--and possibly all their branches, etc.) |
| [18:40:11] | Beirdo: | correct |
| [18:40:28] | Beirdo: | but if you want to easily import their changesets... |
| [18:40:53] | Beirdo: | the other way is to just snapshot it |
| [18:41:02] | Beirdo: | then create a new snapshot later and merge |
| [18:41:34] | sphery: | yeah... for this one, I think either approach could work |
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| [18:43:14] | Beirdo: | depends on how often you want to update |
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| [18:43:36] | Beirdo: | we'd probably be OK with snapshotting (and tagging, blah blah blah) |
| [18:43:48] | sphery: | yeah, and since wagnerrp is the one who will likely be doing the work, it's probably best left to him to decide |
| [18:44:07] | Beirdo: | true |
| [18:44:32] | Beirdo: | I can lend a hand as needed, just not much of a python coder, but I can help on the repo side |
| [18:45:22] | wagnerrp: | awww |
| [18:45:31] | wagnerrp: | python doesnt support the bracketed ipv6 addresses |
| [18:45:44] | Beirdo: | python es estupido |
| [18:46:02] | Beirdo: | that means that python's not following the RFCs :) |
| [18:46:24] | sphery: | rfc, schmarfc |
| [18:46:48] | Beirdo: | IIRC, twisted doesn't do IPv6 quite yet either |
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| [18:47:11] | Beirdo: | they'll get there |
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| [18:57:33] | Beirdo: | oh, that's real useful |
| [18:57:50] | Beirdo: | the frontend status page link in the mythweb backend status... |
| [18:58:01] | Beirdo: | it has (for me) 192.168.1.11 |
| [18:58:18] | Beirdo: | that's not useful anywhere but inside my network. |
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| [18:58:43] | Beirdo: | I can't be the only person around with mythweb secured, but visible remotely |
| [18:59:08] | Beirdo: | that needs a page to proxy it |
| [18:59:20] | wagnerrp: | it used to |
| [18:59:29] | Beirdo: | *frontend* status |
| [18:59:37] | Beirdo: | markk added it a few weeks back |
| [19:00:51] | Beirdo: | and it includes links to the backend... by IP, and the frontend services... by name |
| [19:01:06] | Beirdo: | it needs tweaking, it seems :) |
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| [19:03:20] | sphery: | Beirdo: I thought with ipv6 you had an internet-accessible address for every object in your house? |
| [19:04:02] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:04:22] | clever: | give every leg on the couch its own ip! |
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| [19:06:39] | sphery: | the couch has an address that ends with :50fa |
| [19:07:08] | wagnerrp: | !trout sphery |
| [19:07:08] | ** MythLogBot slaps sphery with a trout on behalf of wagnerrp... ** | |
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| [19:09:48] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I'm really enjoying this dance...where we're both hinting at changes to the proto to allow connection type changes, while hoping the other might make said changes. :) |
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| [19:10:18] | wagnerrp: | heh |
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| [19:28:52] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: seems the backend status page is limited to IPv6 as well |
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| [19:29:14] | Beirdo: | yeah, both ports are bound to IPv6 |
| [19:29:33] | Beirdo: | again, works in Linux, not so much in BSD :) |
| [19:29:47] | Beirdo: | it will get fixed, I'm sure |
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| [19:30:57] | Beirdo: | we need to remember to get GreyFoxx to see this :) |
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| [20:06:56] | sphery: | wagnerrp: elif? http://pastebin.com/AgHYRu61 |
| [20:09:12] | wagnerrp: | aye |
| [20:09:53] | sphery: | fast fix! |
| [20:10:42] | wagnerrp: | already had the files open and terminal in place |
| [20:11:03] | wagnerrp: | ... never had so much trouble in an update |
| [20:11:11] | sphery: | ah, wondered... I thought you'd kicked up your typing rate even higher than you've shown in here |
| [20:11:18] | wagnerrp: | first, the database schema issue |
| [20:11:21] | wagnerrp: | then the IP issue |
| [20:11:26] | sphery: | db schema issue? |
| [20:11:29] | wagnerrp: | now, seems im back to the database schema issue |
| [20:11:41] | wagnerrp: | yeah, it updates from 1274 to 1273 |
| [20:12:07] | wagnerrp: | my builds were on the wrong side of that fix |
| [20:12:27] | sphery: | ahhh, I see |
| [20:12:48] | sphery: | yeah, don't know how that got borked... I'm guessing git merge was involved |
| [20:13:11] | sphery: | (and operator error) |
| [20:13:13] | wagnerrp: | although it seems now my frontends are on schema 1274 and need to be updated again |
| [20:13:27] | sphery: | or maybe was just an over-zealous find/replace |
| [20:14:13] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: i keep looking at the 0.24 build slave, wondering why its never doing anything |
| [20:14:21] | wagnerrp: | oh, right... no one is committing to 0.24 |
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| [20:17:14] | wagnerrp: | i need a big SSD |
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| [20:17:59] | wagnerrp: | double the memory did improve the situation considerably |
| [20:18:14] | wagnerrp: | but its still sluggish with so many systems running on the same pair of old 320GBs |
| [20:18:31] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, http://www.amazon.com/OCZ-Vertex-2-5-Inch-Sol . . . p/B004W7D6QW |
| [20:18:50] | sphery: | wagnerrp: maybe you should just add a couple of virtual machines |
| [20:19:15] | sphery: | I hear they allow you to use one computer as if it were many with no resource issues at all |
| [20:19:40] | sphery: | I'm thinking of setting some up on an old pentium to replace my 7 computers |
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| [20:20:13] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: $1200 is a bit out of my budget |
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| [20:20:23] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: hehe, yeah, no commits kinda limits the need for rebuild |
| [20:20:36] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, meh. Just get one and back it up to magnetic storage |
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| [20:25:06] | wagnerrp: | well ive got 151GB used on this disk currently |
| [20:25:16] | wagnerrp: | but theres about 15GB of assorted distfiles that can be deleted |
| [20:25:38] | wagnerrp: | plus another 50GB of cruft in my home that really doesnt need to be on that |
| [20:25:52] | wagnerrp: | boot, server, and scratch space, i could probably get by with 120s |
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| [20:48:19] | BobLfoot: | I don't see this question on mailing lsit yet. Did something happen to pip in 0.24 ; I had it in 0.21 but don't now have it in 0.24 and I have 5 tuners so I should have I would think |
| [20:49:52] | sphery: | BobLfoot: update to current 0.24-fixes |
| [20:51:15] | BobLfoot: | sphery: so there are fixes that should be coming down the pipe in fedora for it if I am patient thanks. I don't generally compile on this package managed system |
| [20:51:45] | sphery: | it sounds like fedora is stuck in mar for some reason... you'll have to ask fedora packagers what's up |
| [20:51:59] | sphery: | I'm guessing they just haven't converted their packaging scripts to work with git, yet |
| [20:52:16] | sphery: | but until you update, you have to actually watch the tv show you're watching |
| [20:52:30] | sphery: | instead of splitting attention and not watching 2 shows at once |
| [20:52:32] | sphery: | :) |
| [20:53:51] | BobLfoot: | we've got 2 nice weather stations in town and like to watch both when weather is touch and go like tonight |
| [20:54:05] | BobLfoot: | thanks for the advice sphery |
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| [21:14:19] | justinh: | OMG the day has come. I am using linkedin |
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| [21:17:09] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: https://github.com/edgewall/trac |
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| [21:17:17] | Beirdo: | looks like you just need to fork and go |
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| [21:40:31] | zertyui: | hello |
| [21:40:33] | zertyui: | i simply need to capture my tv channel |
| [21:40:36] | zertyui: | is that possible ? |
| [21:40:47] | zertyui: | with mythtv |
| [21:41:36] | sphery: | zertyui: MythTV is designed to work as a DVR (digital video recorder) to record content at whatever time it's broadcast, using listings data to automatically schedule the recordings |
| [21:42:14] | sphery: | if you're looking to just capture something interactively (like "Start now"/"Stop now"), there are a lot of other applications that would be easier to configure/use for that |
| [21:43:07] | sphery: | zertyui: also, might want to read http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview to get an idea of the overall design/idea behind MythTV |
| [21:43:16] | JEDIDIAH__: | well there are occasions where you would like to "start now and record for 3 hours on channel X". Although this is mainly a workaround to live tv not working so well most of the time due to the whole "why bother with LiveTV" mentality. |
| [21:43:59] | sphery: | Live TV doesn't work so well because no one has stepped up to fix it, not because of a "why bother with Live TV" mentality |
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| [21:44:22] | sphery: | now, the reason /I/ haven't stepped up to fix it is because of /my/ "why bother with Live TV" mentality :) |
| [21:44:49] | zertyui: | well my question is simply |
| [21:45:19] | zertyui: | what are the equipement that i need to record multiple channel simultanously |
| [21:45:33] | zertyui: | with mythtv ? |
| [21:45:33] | JEDIDIAH__: | multiple tuners |
| [21:45:59] | sphery: | the exec overview I linked will help explain that |
| [21:46:14] | zertyui: | i need to capture my channel from satelite to pc |
| [21:46:16] | zertyui: | how ? |
| [21:46:25] | akston: | i'm trying to connect my htpc to my tv via hdmi. i can't seem to fix scaling and overscan issues, and it will only display at certain resolutions. |
| [21:46:28] | sphery: | actually, doesn't explain it that well |
| [21:46:33] | JEDIDIAH__: | s/ / PC /g |
| [21:46:58] | akston: | the picture quality is pretty bad and there is also some flickering. picture looks great through vga though. |
| [21:47:10] | JEDIDIAH__: | TVs are like that. |
| [21:47:29] | sphery: | zertyui: if you're in the US and want to capture from satellite, you must use analog capture devices, like the Hauppauge PVR-150 (for SDTV resolution capture) or the Hauppauge HD-PVR (which allows up to HDTV resolution capture) |
| [21:47:34] | JEDIDIAH__: | a good video card should auto detect the native resolution of the panel (or tv) and drive it at that resolution. |
| [21:48:15] | JEDIDIAH__: | some TVs generate gibberish PnP information and confuse some Linux video drivers. |
| [21:49:02] | akston: | xorg says my edid conflicts itself also. |
| [21:49:06] | sphery: | zertyui: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR for info on HD-PVR |
| [21:49:47] | akston: | contradict* |
| [21:53:01] | zertyui: | using hd pvr is it possible to record mutiple channel at a time ? |
| [21:53:06] | sphery: | akston: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Display_Size + http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Specifying_DPI_for_NVIDIA_Cards has some info |
| [21:53:17] | zertyui: | mutliple channell simultanesly ? sphery |
| [21:53:28] | iamlindoro: | zertyui: No, you will require one set top box and one HD-PVR per channel recorded simultaneously |
| [21:53:33] | sphery: | zertyui: 1 channel per HD-PVR (and requires 1 satellite-company-provided tuner per channel, too) |
| [21:54:01] | sphery: | zertyui: if you're not in the US, though, you may have other options |
| [21:54:21] | sphery: | (i.e. in France, DVB-S, might be an option, depending on provider) |
| [21:54:36] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-S |
| [21:56:42] | zertyui: | well i don't want so many device |
| [21:57:55] | zertyui: | now my question is simply : is there ONE device including set top box and able to record multiple channel |
| [21:57:58] | zertyui: | ?? |
| [21:58:20] | zertyui: | i don't carre about the money |
| [21:58:30] | sphery: | in case it's not clear, the answer to your question depends a lot on where you're at in the world and what provider you're using for satellite tv |
| [21:59:17] | zertyui: | well let say i m in india |
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| [22:01:03] | zertyui: | there is no provider i m using the disk |
| [22:01:05] | zertyui: | dish |
| [22:02:39] | iamlindoro: | The dish still receives programming from a providers |
| [22:02:44] | iamlindoro: | provider |
| [22:03:01] | iamlindoro: | The provider of the programming determines how it is broadcast, and thus, what your options are for capturing it |
| [22:03:21] | Batshua: | How do I change my OSD in 0.24-fixes? |
| [22:03:40] | Batshua: | The one I'm using right now is driving me bonkers. I can't get the hang of the interface. |
| [22:04:29] | zertyui: | well |
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| [22:04:36] | zertyui: | what device to buy ? |
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| [22:04:50] | iamlindoro: | Batshua: You don't. In .24 and greater the OSD and the UI theme are one and the same |
| [22:04:57] | zertyui: | i m ready to spend more than 10000 usd for this |
| [22:05:03] | iamlindoro: | zertyui: We can't tell you that without knowing where oyu are, and whose programming you wish to capture |
| [22:05:06] | Batshua: | iamlindoro: oh, crap. Uhm. Okay then. What's the closest to retro for the OSD? |
| [22:05:16] | zertyui: | i m india |
| [22:05:18] | zertyui: | i said |
| [22:05:22] | kormoc: | zertyui, and keep in mind, you'd only be able to capture a limited number of channels at a time, not all of them |
| [22:05:32] | Batshua: | hrm, hold on, maybe mythbuntu is the one i want. |
| [22:06:10] | zertyui: | what you call a provider ? |
| [22:07:03] | highzeth: | zertyui: http://www.lyngsat.com/freetv/India.html as you can see, many a satellite beam available in india. |
| [22:07:03] | sphery: | broadcaster |
| [22:07:41] | Batshua: | iamlindoro: can I edit the playback menu? also, wth should my subtitle codec be if I'm in the US? it's set to UTF-8, but I'm getting a lot of garbage |
| [22:09:02] | zertyui: | ok if understand correctly |
| [22:09:13] | zertyui: | provider mean the namer of satelite ? |
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| [22:09:28] | Batshua: | or cable company |
| [22:09:29] | kormoc: | zertyui, no. The name of the company sending the signal to the satelite |
| [22:09:33] | Batshua: | or whichever. |
| [22:09:40] | Batshua: | the people who youpay the bill to. |
| [22:11:47] | zertyui: | ok understand |
| [22:11:53] | zertyui: | what device to buy ? |
| [22:13:45] | Batshua: | ack! okay, I have a gui I can work with, but when I cut, it no longer asks me if I want the cut before or after |
| [22:13:48] | Batshua: | ... help? |
| [22:14:07] | sphery: | Batshua: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Editing_Recordings |
| [22:14:33] | Batshua: | sphery: So it no longer invokes automagically? |
| [22:15:21] | sphery: | the UI for the editor has changed to be significantly more efficient than before |
| [22:15:43] | sphery: | you just need to learn how to use the new editor, now |
| [22:17:54] | Batshua: | I kinda miss it asking me, but I think I can work with this. |
| [22:19:00] | Batshua: | Okay, it's not clear to me, but if I put a cut at the beginningish of the file and don't close it, will it assume I mean "cut before"? |
| [22:19:03] | sphery: | well, once you use it a bit, you'll see it's many fewer keystrokes this way (and you can do whatever you want--including place marks close together, which was impossible with the old UI) |
| [22:19:04] | Batshua: | because it didn't turn red. |
| [22:19:14] | ** Batshua nods ** | |
| [22:19:22] | sphery: | you didn't place a cut |
| [22:19:26] | Batshua: | Thanks for your patience. I know I can be kinda whiny about unfamiliar and new things. |
| [22:19:27] | sphery: | you place a marker |
| [22:19:31] | sphery: | you need to finish the cut |
| [22:19:47] | sphery: | or you need to use Menu|Cut to Beginning (or Cut to End) instead |
| [22:19:49] | Batshua: | how do I do "cut to beginning"? |
| [22:19:52] | Batshua: | because I didn't see that. |
| [22:20:00] | sphery: | i.e. exactly as described in the page I linked... :) |
| [22:20:35] | Batshua: | AH, there's cut to beginning! |
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| [22:20:46] | Batshua: | I think I did it wrong last time. >.< |
| [22:21:38] | Batshua: | Ah, this is MUCH better, though. Thanks. |
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| [22:22:34] | Batshua: | I love how rebooting a bunch of times magically fixed my firewire problem :/ |
| [22:22:38] | Batshua: | Weirdness, but what can you do? |
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| [23:22:39] | russell5: | can anyone tell me whats the best way to figure out what channels are 5c encrypted on firewire? i know i can change the channel then test-mpeg program but that would take forever. i could also make a script but i am not that good at it and i dont want to if there already is something |
| [23:24:15] | gregL: | russell5, Do you have any tuners beside firewire? |
| [23:24:51] | russell5: | yup |
| [23:25:04] | wagnerrp: | russell5: on many cable boxes, you can find instructions on line for how to put them into diagnostic mode |
| [23:25:22] | wagnerrp: | in diagnostic mode, you have access to a lot of information, including copy protection flags |
| [23:25:46] | wagnerrp: | note that if you intend to use firewire capture, just because the channel is marked copy freely does not necessarily mean firewire in mythtv will work |
| [23:26:01] | russell5: | yeah |
| [23:26:05] | wagnerrp: | some firmwares will enforce 5c handshaking regardless |
| [23:26:22] | russell5: | i guess my best bet is to record it on analog also just in case |
| [23:26:48] | wagnerrp: | well no, your best bet is to try analog and see what you get |
| [23:26:53] | wagnerrp: | fall back to analog for everything else |
| [23:27:00] | wagnerrp: | should you miss a recording on cable |
| [23:27:14] | wagnerrp: | chances are it will play again within the next week |
| [23:27:23] | wagnerrp: | so as long as you dont intend to watch in real time |
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| [23:27:36] | russell5: | yeah that would work. |
| [23:28:19] | russell5: | i get all these hd channels though fios but i dont use them because its not worth it going to my 150 card. |
| [23:29:30] | russell5: | thanks |
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| [23:44:31] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: autoconfigured IPv6 addresses should be static, correct? |
| [23:44:42] | wagnerrp: | meaning it will generate the same address each time |
| [23:45:58] | Beirdo: | correct |
| [23:46:13] | Beirdo: | it's algorithmically unique per MAC address |
| [23:46:17] | wagnerrp: | good |
| [23:46:29] | wagnerrp: | didnt know if there was some randomization in there for the last 12 bits |
| [23:46:39] | wagnerrp: | my MBE is statically defined |
| [23:46:42] | wagnerrp: | by my SBE is dynamic |
| [23:48:13] | wagnerrp: | mythweb isnt working... wonder if a binding update will fix that |
| [23:48:24] | Beirdo: | I have added specific IPs for ones I won't be moving |
| [23:48:49] | Beirdo: | heh, can't hurt to try |
| [23:49:37] | wagnerrp: | is there some mechanism in radvd in which a gateway can statically define client addresses? |
| [23:50:11] | Beirdo: | never looked, but there is dhcpd for ipv6 too |
| [23:50:38] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but i tried that years back and never got it working properly |
| [23:50:49] | kormoc: | dhcp6d |
| [23:50:51] | wagnerrp: | does not appear to want to connect |
| [23:51:03] | kormoc: | dhcp6c and dhcp6s I mean |
| [23:51:17] | wagnerrp: | different error though |
| [23:51:23] | wagnerrp: | before it was the full address |
| [23:51:24] | Beirdo: | ISC dhcpd 4.x+ supports it. I haven't tried it, personally |
| [23:51:33] | wagnerrp: | now its just saying it cannot connect to 2001:6543 |
| [23:51:48] | Beirdo: | heh, I'd hope not |
| [23:51:59] | kormoc: | it's not a time machine! |
| [23:53:23] | wagnerrp: | updating mythweb too and.... |
| [23:53:38] | wagnerrp: | nada |
| [23:54:19] | Beirdo: | this is still on the freebsd setup? |
| [23:54:34] | Beirdo: | might wanna tcpdump and see what's actually on the wire |
| [23:54:37] | wagnerrp: | freebsd backend, freebsd web server on different 'machine' |
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