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Tuesday, May 24th, 2011, 00:00 UTC

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DeviceZer0:

....the custom rules interface...the rest of the frontend it fine :)

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sphery:

yeah, I'll admit that the lack of a multiline text edit makes editing the actual SQL nearly impossible in mythfrontend

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sphery:

but building the skeleton in mythfrontend, then going to mythweb to edit it, works well when you're getting used to how custom rules work

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DeviceZer0:

ah yea.

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DeviceZer0:

well i think ive kinda figure it out a bit more.

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DeviceZer0:

i have *alot* of rules to make

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DeviceZer0:

if a recording is "only shows marked as HD" it will ONLY record in hd? is there any "prefer hd...but record sd if no hd exists" option?

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sphery:

DeviceZer0: for that you want custom priority (which has no mythweb interface)

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sphery:

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sphery:

(and you don't want "Set Channel Recording Priorities")

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DeviceZer0:

hmm ok thanks sphery :)

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DeviceZer0:

ill check that out

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tgm4883:

+1 to sphery, the customer recording rules are awesomely powerful

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tgm4883:

which reminds me of a time iamlindoro was talking about a microblogging interface for recommending shows to others. Did that ever get off the ground?

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wagnerrp:

he did put together some form of twitter plugin a year or so ago

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, that seems to be about when I was thinking that was happening

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DeviceZer0:

sphery, hmm poking around in there...not exact how i would set a "prefer hd over sd" option

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DeviceZer0:

i see some premade rules...but dont get how to set the one i want

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sphery:

you set a custom priority that decreases priority on non-HDTV shows

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: when did the ffmpeg sync go in?

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sphery:

you'd need recording rules that match both HDTV and non-HDTV rules, that way

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sphery:

meaning you'd use normal any channel rules

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DeviceZer0:

hmm

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DeviceZer0:

in mything priorities are by default 1? and 2 is a higher priority then 1? as in 2 is more important then 1?

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DeviceZer0:

bah. oh well

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sphery:

DeviceZer0: default priority is 0, most-positive priority is most-preferred

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sphery:

range goes from -100 to 100

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DeviceZer0:

ok. im still a bit confused as to how to do what i want. Your saying i need to make 2 rules? one to prefer hd and one to prefer sd? then apply the hd rules to shows i want to record in hd?

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sphery:

no, if you use custom priorities, make one rule that's a any channel rule

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sphery:

then make a custom priority that says if it's not HDTV decrease priority by 1 (add -1 to priority)

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sphery:

then, the HDTV showings will be 1 higher than the non HDTV showings for that (and any other matching) show

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sphery:

you can limit which shows are affected using the custom priority rule itself or just let it apply to everything

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** Batshua waves **

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Batshua:

Uhm...

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sphery:

if you don't use custom priority, you'd make 2 separate rules and just set their priorities differently

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Batshua:

So everything was fine, and now all of a sudden (I'm sure something changed, but I don't know WHAT), mythfrontend just crashes after launch

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DeviceZer0:

hmm. so i see the rule "only shows marked as hd" is program.hdtv >0....if i want it to apply -1 to non hd shows i would use "program.hdtv <0" ?

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DeviceZer0:

or even == 0

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sphery:

no, program.hdtv = 0

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Batshua:

(It's a segmentation fault. Lovely.)

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DeviceZer0:

ok. thanks sphery. much appreciated :)

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sphery:

Batshua: we'd at least need log files to guess, but probably need a real backtrace: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging

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Batshua:

Check, thanks.

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Batshua:

It's been so long since I've had a PROBLEM, I'm kinda lost. :)

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DeviceZer0:

ok so i made the custom priority...is it active already? or do i need to specify to use that rule somewhere? You mentioned making a any channel rule...im in the middle of moving all my recording rules over to using any channel.

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sphery:

it's active

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sphery:

it applies to all rules, unless the SQL limits it to only certain rule(s)

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DeviceZer0:

sphery, excellent!

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hoolio:

anyone seen an entry in /etc/hosts like:

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wagnerrp:

sphery: do you know how to force gmake to show the compile command?

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hoolio:

127.0.1.1 thiscomputernameblah

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hoolio:

as opposed to the normal loopback address 127.0.0.1

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sphery:

wagnerrp: you mean for things, like ffmpeg, where it's run with -s/--silent/--quiet ?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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sphery:

only thing I'd know is to change the makefile generator to not send -s

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wagnerrp:

im trying to figure out why i cant build in my new build environment, what im missing

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wagnerrp:

its failing on assembler bits

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wagnerrp:

but i installed yasm

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wagnerrp:

and i set the compiler path such that it should be using yasm

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wagnerrp:

its failing in exactly the same manner as if yasm were not being used

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wagnerrp:

im missing binutils

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sphery:

wagnerrp: looks like you need to uncomment and change: ./external/FFmpeg/config.mak:1038:!CONFIG_SILENT_CC=yes

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wagnerrp:

nevermind, figured it out

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wagnerrp:

needed yasm AND binutils

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sphery:

ahhh

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Led-Hed:

Any recommendations on a 802.11n AP? I'm moving to a new house and there is no networking upstairs.

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wagnerrp:

run networking upstairs

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Led-Hed:

wagnerrp, genius

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wagnerrp:

:)

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Led-Hed:

but in all seriousness, I only plan to run 1 Frontend and 1 PC off of the wireless

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sphery:

+1 for wired

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Led-Hed:

if there were more devices I'd do it. but its a rental, and I dont want to mess with outside wiring

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sphery:

wagnerrp: worst thing about the "So there is no tower, anymore" commercial is that they proved that "there's something out there better than what [she's] got now", and they imply that's reason to buy a new computer

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sphery:

if you bought a new computer every time there was one better than yours...

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sphery:

shouldn't the reason for not upgrading be, "because my computer fits my needs"

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DeviceZer0:

im trying to make a rule for the show its always sunny in philadelphia....the title contains a ' ....im trying to "program.title = '% always sunny.....' "

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DeviceZer0:

but its not working.

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Led-Hed:

most people buy new computers because its cheaper than paying someone to remove their spyware / viruses

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Led-Hed:

:)

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sphery:

DeviceZer0: either user a wildcard (%) or (mysql extension) escape \' or use double quotes around it

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DeviceZer0:

hmm

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DeviceZer0:

i tried to use & but it didnt work.

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sphery:

Led-Hed: heh, yeah--and, IMHO, that's a valid reason (at least better than "because there's something better than mine")

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DeviceZer0:

i also tried to \' and it didnt work

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sphery:

&?

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sphery:

wildcard is %

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DeviceZer0:

err yea. %

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Led-Hed:

I think its rediculous to buy a new PC just because it has a virus.

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DeviceZer0:

maybe i did &...verifying now. i always brainfart those two

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sphery:

for wildcard you need LIKE

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sphery:

not =

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DeviceZer0:

hmm

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Led-Hed:

but I would agree with you. It is a better reason than just buying one because someone has small penis syndrome

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DeviceZer0:

still not matching... the rule is: program.title LIKE '% Always Sunny in Philadelphia' AND program.previouslyshown = 0

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DeviceZer0:

if i do a search for that there is tons of showings of it

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/a63b6 . . . 594e6ff09ba5

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Beirdo:

Apr 21

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sphery:

DeviceZer0: just use an = and ""

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DeviceZer0:

ok will try that now.

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sphery:

program.title = "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia"

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sphery:

and see if that works

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Led-Hed:

wagnerrp, what about a wireless point to point bridge

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sphery:

remember that this sql snippet is getting stuffed into a complex query, so depending on what's around it, different things could break the query

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Led-Hed:

and the only thing on it is an FE

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DeviceZer0:

sphery, still nothing

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: nevermind, figured out it was a lack of binutils and 'as'

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sphery:

are you sure you have the exact title, then?

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DeviceZer0:

in mythtv i do a search...then copy paste the shows title as it appears

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DeviceZer0:

for example:

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DeviceZer0:

It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia:

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sphery:

and you're doing a custom rule, here? not custom priority?

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DeviceZer0:

Dennis Looks Like a Registered Sex Offender

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DeviceZer0:

custom rule via mythweb

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sphery:

well, I have no idea what mythweb may do to it

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sphery:

but at least one of the 3 things I mentioned will work

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sphery:

so remove one more variable--mythweb--and see what happens?

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DeviceZer0:

they should be...but are not for what ever reason :(

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DeviceZer0:

ill try

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DeviceZer0:

using ""'s in frontend is not working either

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DeviceZer0:

using that custom rule editor is insanely hard. it doesnt highlight the current cursor point

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DeviceZer0:

and its not easy to scroll

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DeviceZer0:

wildcard does not work either

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DeviceZer0:

escape does not work either

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DeviceZer0:

bah oh well ill try again later

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bobgill:

I am trying to add capture card to mythtv-setup, I have 2 x pvr-150 but there is no MPEG or MPEG-2 option

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clgshaft:

Hey guys, I am getting volume in all aspects besides Internet video in mythtv, trying to watch hulu. Thanks

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sphery:

bobgill: if you don't have an option, "IVTV MPEG-2 encoder card," you need to get a distro that's not using Linux kernel 2.6.38 (i.e. Mythbuntu 10.10 or similar)

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iamlindoro:

bobgill, Same issue as yesterday, upgrade to 2.6.38 removes v4l1 headers, mythtv relies on v4l1 headers to compile with v4l and ivtv support

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bobgill:

I have downgraded to a lts kernel, 2.6.32

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sphery:

clgshaft: you need to use the mouse with Flash or use some external volume control to control volume

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iamlindoro:

And did you recompile myth and downgrade your kernel headers too?

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sphery:

bobgill: you need a distro that's built around a prior kernel

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sphery:

and mythtv build on that distro

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bobgill:

i did install headers but I didn't reinstall myth

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bobgill:

will try that now

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iamlindoro:

myth needs to be *built* against the old headers, not just running on an old kernel

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iamlindoro:

not reinstall, recompile

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clgshaft:

I have flash installed, using spdif audio out to receiver

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sphery:

bobgill: and full reconfigure, too--meaning make distclean

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Beirdo:

you know, reading an ebook isn't as fun as a real book

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Beirdo:

a book makes a much more satisfying THUD when you fall asleep and drop it

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clever:

just glue the ebook reader to the front of a regular book!

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[R]:

Beirdo: you could drop your reader...

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Beirdo:

pfft

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Beirdo:

it's on my phone

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[R]:

so drop your phone

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Beirdo:

Oh, I did. about 10 times

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[R]:

so i was tim taylor last night

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sphery:

Beirdo: if you get an iPad and read an ebook on it (or an iTunes book, probably), it might make a satisfying crack when you fall asleep and drop it

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Beirdo:

still not as satisfying as the THUD of a book

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[R]:

i replaced the light in my kithcen on the high ceiling

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

I would still use kindle app :)

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sphery:

ah, cool--forgot that was available on ios

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[R]:

Beirdo: has an iPoop? wtf mate

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Beirdo:

huh?

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tgm4883:

heh, I was just reading a snarky old user mailing list thread and thought it sounded a lot like iamlindoro, but it was actually written by wagnerrp. Not sure if that is a good thing or bad

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Beirdo:

sphery: did you make a db update on me?!

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wagnerrp:

link! link!

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[R]:

Beirdo: he said you used ios...

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sphery:

[R]: he doesn't, but said if he did, he wouldn't use itunes books

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[R]:

oh, the ipad refernece

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sphery:

Beirdo: yep, one db update today

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, nothing special, just you going off on someone about the apple tv 2 http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /308267.html

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sphery:

did you have a db update patch?

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Beirdo:

heh, nah, it was just that my frontend won't start up now

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Beirdo:

until I restart the backend.

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Beirdo:

grrr. :)

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sphery:

ahhh

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iamlindoro:

Nothing snarky in the post IMO

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iamlindoro:

People confuse facts they don't like with rudeness

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Beirdo:

like "you suck!"

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Beirdo:

hehe

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tgm4883:

iamlindoro, I'm fine with the facts :)

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Beirdo:

sorry.. been one of those days :)

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sphery:

In today's world, hearing facts that we don't like to hear is considered rude or offensive

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tgm4883:

someone bugging me to port the frontend to the atv2

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sphery:

heh

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tgm4883:

which is why it will be the last time I ask for what the public wants

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sphery:

yeah, apple's A5 or whatever CPU... that would be perfect for MythTV

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tgm4883:

sphery, according to this thread, it's the A4

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Beirdo:

I guess I can't watch TV until 10pm

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sphery:

and, btw, Apple is dropping Intel CPUs and going with only the Apple-branded CPUs based on ARM

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iamlindoro:

Where port = write a new hardware decode implementation to cover the ATV's undocumented decode APIs, then teach mythfrontend not to card about the RAM starvation

[03:43:01]

wagnerrp:

(with a worthwhile published decode API, and paired with a good amount of memory)

[03:43:01]

sphery:

I heard it on PC World's web site, so it /must/ be true

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wagnerrp:

the ATVs and iPads have what... 256MB of memory?

[03:43:20]

iamlindoro:

Aside from that, Myth probably compiles just fine on it, no porting needed-- it's the making it *useful* that's hard

[03:43:28]

tgm4883:

wagnerrp, yep

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iamlindoro:

s/card/care/

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wagnerrp:

if apple would open up the full capabilities of the decoder chip, like was done by that work in xbmc, it may be a useful frontend

[03:44:02]

wagnerrp:

until then....

[03:44:18]

iamlindoro:

256MB RAM is still going to be a choke point

[03:44:38]

tgm4883:

do any of the themes even work in 256MB of RAM

[03:44:55]

wagnerrp:

maybe childish or mythcenter, at low resolution

[03:45:05]

sphery:

or MythLite

[03:45:23]

iamlindoro:

sphery, nonexistent unpublished themes don't count

[03:45:48]

sphery:

heh

[03:45:54]

sphery:

it's semi-published, now

[03:46:04]

** iamlindoro writes MythExtremelyLite **

[03:46:08]

iamlindoro:

[03:46:11]

iamlindoro:

</mythuitheme>

[03:46:12]

iamlindoro:

DONE

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iamlindoro:

It may fall back to default in a place or two, sorry about that

[03:46:43]

sphery:

heh

[03:46:54]

tgm4883:

so basically, unless apple opens up the full capabilities of the decoder chip, then one would be stuck transcoding all of their video to something that is 'supported'

[03:47:11]

sphery:

at least it won't cause the poor A5 chip to implode into a singularity, like Arclight would

[03:47:13]

iamlindoro:

Nah, you can use it by cribbing the approach used by XBMC

[03:47:28]

iamlindoro:

it's just that they're private APIs and thus could be canceled out with a simple firmware update

[03:47:34]

tgm4883:

I haven't looked into the XBMC way of doing it at all

[03:47:45]

tgm4883:

I wonder how the mythtv plugin for xbmc would fare

[03:48:08]

wagnerrp:

tgm4883: the A4/A5 have a very similar chip to the intel GMA500

[03:48:20]

tgm4883:

wagnerrp, yep, I read that somewhere ;)

[03:48:23]

iamlindoro:

They basically traced the API calls used by Apple's video player... but Apple could just rename them from top to bottom and not break any of their players, while simultaneously locking out all the people who are using the undocumented APIs

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wagnerrp:

so the chip is capable of mpeg2 content, and vc1 content, and h264 level 4.1 content (bluray)

[03:48:42]

wagnerrp:

but for whatever reason, they artificially limit the capability of the chip

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: and what they limit it to, is basically content available from itunes

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, it's their MO, use newish technology and limit it to a certain feature set that you control. Everyone else takes the heat for not being compatible

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tgm4883:

I'm not sure how they get away with that every time

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sphery:

why in the world would apple do that? they believe in open, like HTML5--not closed, proprietary garbage like Flash

[03:50:50]

sphery:

so for video, open would include bluray, not just itunes stuff...

[03:50:53]

sphery:

I'm so confused

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tgm4883:

sphery, oh right, they are open. I forgot that chairman steve said that so it must be true

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tgm4883:

s/open/open*/

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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wagnerrp:

sphery: they believe in open, in so far as the alternative is controlled by someone other than them

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tgm4883:

* Open is by definition Chairman Steve's interpretation of open and should not be confused with other things that are actually open such as open source software, FLOSS, 7 Eleven, etc

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sphery:

I just can't wait until this whole "app for everything (and 30% off the top for Apple)" fad dies out

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tgm4883:

sphery, "Apps" aren't really that bad, if you just consider them plugins

[03:53:20]

tgm4883:

mythvideo, it's an App!

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sphery:

tgm4883: it's the fact that apple makes people think they need a new app for every web page or service or application that's available on the Internet that is evil

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: apps are bad when you consider instead of going to the weather channel webpage, you have a weather applications

[03:54:05]

wagnerrp:

instead of going to the ebay webpage, you have an ebay application

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, but I like shiney!

[03:54:31]

wagnerrp:

theyre dividing the internet up in to small little chunk programs, and limiting them to the apple sphere of influence

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sphery:

we spent ~15 years trying to get to the point where anyone could access any of that information using a single application, with said application available on any platform (i.e. a web browser)

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sphery:

now apple says we have to buy apps and pay them 30%

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** Beirdo throws a rotten Apple at Mr. Jobs **

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sphery:

so you get your weather.com app and your imdb app and your hulu app and your ... all because someone decided that if we just used HTML and CSS to optimize display and presentation for a mobile device that people could actually buy any phone they want, rather than being forced to buy an iPhone

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tgm4883:

i'm just waiting for an apple 2nd gen product release that has "30% more magic" and no new features. You know the apple fanboys will still line up for it

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sphery:

and Apple wouldn't get its 30% tax

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tgm4883:

sphery, to be fair, didn't the first iphone not have apps?

[03:56:48]

sphery:

heh, wasn't that iPad 2... has twice as many bad-quality cameras as iPad 1

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tgm4883:

I thought I heard that somewhere

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tgm4883:

it was all web browser type stuff and people didnt' want that

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: at the time of release, they didnt have the app api working

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tgm4883:

ah

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wagnerrp:

so apple proclaimed to the world that local applications were evil

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wagnerrp:

develop for web interfaces

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wagnerrp:

and people did, and all was good

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tgm4883:

thats what I get for listening to the apple fanboy leo laporte

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wagnerrp:

and six months later, apple released the app api

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wagnerrp:

so apple proclaimed to the world that web applications were evil

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sphery:

oh, and it doesn't help that iPhone browser completely ignores the handheld style sheet

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wagnerrp:

develop for the iOS API

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sphery:

because it thinks it can display a web page just as well as a desktop browser

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sphery:

regardless of the 3 1/2 screen (or whatever it is)

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sphery:

which means that now servers have to do server-side client detection and send the appropriate style sheet (since the browser ignores the one created specifically for it)

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tgm4883:

hmm, I seem to have derailed this entire channel

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sphery:

heh, I was a big part of the derailing, too

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** tgm4883 proudly owns zero apple products **

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** Beirdo is typing on a fine Apple product **

[04:00:14]

Beirdo:

but still..

[04:00:38]

tgm4883:

Burn the witch!

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Beirdo:

they do make nice laptops

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wagnerrp:

im pretty sure ive got some Apple CDs laying about here

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Beirdo:

hehe

[04:01:27]

wagnerrp:

or wait... thats Apple Corps

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Beirdo:

I have a few LPs that say Apple on them

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Beirdo:

mmmm, Beatles

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tgm4883:

Beirdo, yea, they are pretty good band. Pretty new too

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Beirdo:

hehe

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tgm4883:

They've only been around for about 6 months right?

[04:03:04]

tgm4883:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_technews/201011 . . . unes-at-last

[04:03:18]

Beirdo:

pffft

[04:03:23]

Beirdo:

I said LP :)

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tgm4883:

heh

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Beirdo:

I should make some food

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tgm4883:

Beirdo, as should I

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tgm4883:

sudo make food

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tgm4883:

dang :(

[04:05:31]

** tgm4883 goes to manually compile dinner **

[04:06:59]

Beirdo:

sudo make me a sandwich

[04:07:19]

Beirdo:

Error: you no longer have a wife. Make it yourself.

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wagnerrp:

someone needs to tell dblain to switch to an editor that adds endlines to his headers

[04:12:28]

Beirdo:

please do :)

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Beirdo:

something... in Linux, preferrably? :)

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wagnerrp:

27 minutes single threaded, not bad

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Beirdo:

wow, we have a LOT of warnings in freebsd :)

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echosyp:

beirdo, i finally have it working, playback is a little jacked, but it works

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wagnerrp:

whats a good ccache? 4GB?

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echosyp:

thanks for the help

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Beirdo:

no problem

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: I usually use the default :)

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Beirdo:

anything's better than nothing

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wagnerrp:

ok,im going to kill this and work on the plugin deps

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Beirdo:

oh, I just kicked a 0.24 build

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: fftw wants a new copy of gcc...

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wagnerrp:

... i think ill hold off on that one

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

figures, eh?

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justinh:

Beirdo: did a bit of manual commercial analysis last night. no wonder the methods mythtv uses are out of whack here

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Beirdo:

oh?

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justinh:

I think if we can add silence detection (god only knows about how the thresholds will be found and made reliable) but use it in concert with scene change detection we'll be good

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Beirdo:

cool

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justinh:

examined 3 shows from different channels (different broadcasters). blank frames are very rare

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wagnerrp:

really...

[06:21:29]

wagnerrp:

we always have blank frames

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wagnerrp:

its rare i cant find a blank keyframe when setting a cutlist

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justinh:

yes really. I looked at the entire breaks & the areas around them

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wagnerrp:

speaking of keyframes

[06:22:42]

wagnerrp:

do we have something that detects shifts in GOP structure?

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wagnerrp:

on maybe half my channels

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wagnerrp:

the commercials are pre-encoded segments that just get spliced into the stream

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Beirdo:

not sure. You mean like the stride of the structure?

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wagnerrp:

mpeg2 has a static structure, unlike h264 which is dynamic

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justinh:

the way it is on most channels, there's the show, then hard cut into a bumper (on sponsored shows mostly), then hard cut into the first ad. then all the ads are hard cut together, then another hard cut at the end – maybe a blank frame if you're lucky, then maybe hard cut into a trail, then a bumper, then hard cut back into the show

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Beirdo:

like IPBBPBBPBB vs IPBPBPB?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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Beirdo:

hmm, I suppose we could detect, but I don't think we do

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justinh:

audio sometimes goes as low as digital zero (!) around the hard cuts

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Beirdo:

yeah, we really need to add audio processing in there

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justinh:

must be switching delays in their systems that gets us those

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Beirdo:

silence detection... and average volume detection

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wagnerrp:

wooh boy, now its hitting the cache

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Beirdo:

as in the US, commercials are highly compressed with higher average volume

[06:26:07]

wagnerrp:

it was flushing things too early

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Beirdo:

cool

[06:26:22]

wagnerrp:

stuff was rolling out of the cache before it came back around to needing it again

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justinh:

so in a waveform editor the ads look higher, or is it just the waveforms are more uniformly fat?

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Beirdo:

this run shouldn't fail on the weather install

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hoolio:

fat

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Beirdo:

they will look higher

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wagnerrp:

theyre more uniformly high

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justinh:

eew

[06:27:07]

wagnerrp:

its not that theyre intentionally high

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wagnerrp:

but rather that there is little variation

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Beirdo:

they use dynamic compressors, and they are intentionally higher

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wagnerrp:

so when they run it through the auto-gain

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wagnerrp:

there are no peaks to drop the rest of the sequence down

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justinh:

yeah, damn you Optimod!

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Beirdo:

so much so that it actually knocked out satellites on a radio transmission once when they buggered it up

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justinh:

I've seen that here but OFCOM is really tight on advert audio

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wagnerrp:

look at it go, halfway through the programs already

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Beirdo:

it was great. Listening to the Blue Jays game... and as soon as the ads came on between innings... total silence

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justinh:

it does look more uniformly high than the program content but it doesn't go higher in level

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Beirdo:

peak is the same, but the RMS is quite a bit higher

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wagnerrp:

four minutes, not far off your i7

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Beirdo:

so if we tracked RMS over 15s periods...

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Beirdo:

yeah, that sounds about right :)

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justinh:

about time your guys learned there's more to making ads noticable in audio terms than pumping

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Beirdo:

a single core vs a single core, they should be comparable

[06:30:02]

wagnerrp:

what clockrate is yours?

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justinh:

oh, I dunno if you've got it over there but some ads here for a while have been weirdly desaturated. I hate that look

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Beirdo:

YAY

[06:30:39]

Beirdo:

now for acpu MHz : 2801.000

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wagnerrp:

hey, im just happy i beat out the G4

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Beirdo:

oops, in the middle of a sentance

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wagnerrp:

:)

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Beirdo:

now for a 0.24 force?

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Beirdo:

yeehaw

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Beirdo:

we'll probably have some tweaks there too, but we'll see

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wagnerrp:

likely the same one

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Beirdo:

heh, quite likely so

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wagnerrp:

at least we should find out in relatively short order

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Beirdo:

nah, it used qmake back then

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wagnerrp:

still downloading...

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wagnerrp:

what timing

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Beirdo:

yah, first time's super slow, it does a clone for each builder

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wagnerrp:

looks like ffmpeg is sufficiently different to have no hits

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Beirdo:

I think between the builds, it almost never hits anywhere

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austintv:

Anyone in the states using debian unstable?

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wagnerrp:

really...

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wagnerrp:

then im going to bed

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Beirdo:

I haven't watched it super carefully though

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wagnerrp:

no sense watching this for 25 minutes

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Beirdo:

no?

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Beirdo:

K, night :)

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justinh:

I doubt anybody is using debian unstable anywhere – at least without propping up a corner with a beermat or 2

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austintv:

that's probably the prob...

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wagnerrp:

well thats disconcerting

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austintv:

Lately I have seen pink & blue bars on fox.

[06:40:25]

austintv:

and only fox.

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justinh:

pink & blue bars?

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wagnerrp:

hearing an airliner come over at night, and all the sudden spool up its engines

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wagnerrp:

oh sh** a hill!

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Beirdo:

eeek

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austintv:

http://www.newning.com/public/fox_pink_bars_photo.png

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Beirdo:

Oh CRAP, a house!

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justinh:

nasty!

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austintv:

Couldn't get screen capture to capture the bars...

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justinh:

austintv: *weird* can't say I've ever heard of this one

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Beirdo:

oooh, that's pretty

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wagnerrp:

austintv: do you have an ati video card?

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austintv:

Every other channel is completely fine.

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Beirdo:

what capture device, what output device?

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austintv:

wagnerrp: no.

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austintv:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G96 [GeForce 9500 GT] (rev a1)

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justinh:

I was gonna say it looks like an ATI feature LOL

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austintv:

capture is hdhomerun

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austintv:

:-)

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wagnerrp:

standard or vdpau? opengl or vdpau?

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justinh:

propriatary drivers?

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austintv:

Also note the bars do not show up on the screen decorations.

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austintv:

yes propriatary.

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austintv:

NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64–270.41.06.run

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justinh:

yeah I was gonna say hdmi problem then saw the osd overdrawing

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: doing a lot better once it got into mythtv code

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austintv:

Not sure on vdpau, opengl. How do I check?

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justinh:

Fox are doing something very very funky where you are, I reckon. what's it look like in other programs?

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justinh:

I mean other tv viewing apps

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justinh:

or if you play the file in VLC

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austintv:

well it's odd.

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austintv:

More data:

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austintv:

If I view older recordings where it didn't show up before they now have bars.

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austintv:

I was not watching close enough ( or maybe enough fox ) to tell when exactly this showed up... My bad.

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austintv:

some time in the last month or two.

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justinh:

from what I've heard, not watching enough Fox is not a failing ;)

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austintv:

If I play with mplayer they're fine.

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austintv:

ha

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austintv:

!

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wagnerrp:

when you say testing, youre running 0.25?

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justinh:

what about if you try mplayer fullscreen? and other players?

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austintv:

not testing, unstable.

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austintv:

mplayer fullscreen is fine.

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Beirdo:

what version of mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

when you say unstable, youre running 0.25?

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Beirdo:

mythbackend --version

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justinh:

ok, what about if you run mythfrontend in a smaller window with the -geometry XxY option?

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austintv:

dpkg -l mythtv == 0.24.1–0.0

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Beirdo:

mythbackend --version

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rileyp:

when I run mythfront it sometimes says a font is missing in the log pending which them I select of course. If I download some old versions of myththemes will they have the fonts.

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Beirdo:

I don't care what the package says

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wagnerrp:

so you probably went from 0.24.0 release, to 0.24.1 release a few days ago

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austintv:

backend version is v0.24.1

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austintv:

via output of mythbackend --version

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Beirdo:

OK, so right on the release

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wagnerrp:

and something in one of those 300 commits is causing a problem

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justinh:

rileyp: do they speak English in What?

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Beirdo:

using vdpau or using Xv for output?

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austintv:

yes and I /don't/ think that this changed then. I am wondering if it's a dependency of some kind that is breaking it.

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austintv:

likely

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rileyp:

I mispelt the word theme sorry

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austintv:

How do I check on vdpau or xv?

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rileyp:

i spelt theme them I'll try again

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Beirdo:

austintv: the frontend logs would be the easiest

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Beirdo:

it should tell you

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justinh:

rileyp: some themes include fonts. others expect you to already have them – like say they're non-GPL but commonly available – such as the (erk) msttcorefonts

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rileyp:

when I run mythfront it sometimes says a font is missing in the log pending which theme I select. If I download some old versions of myththemes Will they have the fonts?

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justinh:

so in a word, NO

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justinh:

read the log to find out which fonts are missing, and GO GET EM

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rileyp:

Where do I get em? steal from pc with different operating system starting with w?

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justinh:

sigh

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rileyp:

that I paid for?

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justinh:

sigh

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rileyp:

regretfully

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justinh:

NO. Find them via your friendly local package manager

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rileyp:

ah ok cool

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justinh:

if the font names are anything like Trebuchet, Arial ... you need msttcorefonts

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justinh:

i.e. if they look like Microsoft font names :-D

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justinh:

mind, I know why people still insist on using them in themes. there just aren't enough usable GPL fonts

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justinh:

and when I say 'usable' I mean 'don't look like crap'

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austintv:

Okay – That was really stupid.

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rileyp:

justinh, thanks

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austintv:

I found that my video playback profile was set to <=720 for ffmpeg

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austintv:

I changed it to <= 1280 & it seems to work fine.

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justinh:

wonder when qt are gonna get round to fixing font rendering properly

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austintv:

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. Night.

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justinh:

mind, it's not as bad as in Adobe Air. Oh gawd. That just plonks characters down on whatever baseline

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justinh:

night :)

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justinh:

interesting http://openfontlibrary.org/font/osp-din

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Beirdo:

wow. 683 warnings in freebsd-0.24

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Beirdo:

we have successful freebsd building.

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Beirdo:

I shall now go to bed

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justinh:

night

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Beirdo:

night :)

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skipzoid:

hello ?

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justinh:

is it me you're looking for?

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** justinh hides **

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skipzoid:

hehe – I get it

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justinh:

hmm nxserver doesn't seem to like suspending & resuming sessions more than once

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justinh:

wahahaha http://merebagatelle.com/2011/05/24/harold-ca . . . rogress-bar/

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rileyp:

Im missing /usr/share/mythtv/themes/BlackCurves-OSD/osd.xml package is installed but only fonts in Blackcurves folder

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rileyp:

Im using mythbuntu and 0.24 fixes

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justinh:

do they speak english. IN WHAT?

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rileyp:

It seems synapitic does not install all the files

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justinh:

so go contact whoever makes the packages

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justinh:

it's nothing to do with us here

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justinh:

or, you can use the theme downloader instead

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justinh:

oh wait... themes are now interlinked. LOL

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rileyp:

interlinked meaning they share common files?

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justinh:

no

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justinh:

interlinked meaning you have a main theme and you've got to use its OSD theme. you don't get to choose

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rileyp:

It seems crazy you select install all themes and all these errors come up about missing xml files

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rileyp:

and fonts

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justinh:

so you can't have, say arclight as the main theme & then use blackcurves for the OSD

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rileyp:

and images

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justinh:

talk to whoever did the packaging

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justinh:

it's not the responsibility of the mythtv project

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rileyp:

I dont like the osd they make you use I like black curves

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rileyp:

bah

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justinh:

and besides, you don't get to choose the OSD

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rileyp:

well you used to be able too dammit

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justinh:

and now you can't

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justinh:

so there

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rileyp:

step backwards that was

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justinh:

if you don't like it, use something else

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justinh:

if you don't like it, use something else

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justinh:

if you don't like it, use something else

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rileyp:

nooooooooooooooooo just edit and make my own

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rileyp:

from al the good work that has been done

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justinh:

well I certainly won't help

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justinh:

:-)

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rileyp:

mix and match and make all goodd

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justinh:

since not you make sense much sentences your in

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rileyp:

Oh I can when I type more slowly

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justinh:

so why not just use the mythbuntu theme? then you get the blackcurves OSD

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justinh:

makes more sense to keep styling common

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rileyp:

Im actually playing with willi

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justinh:

consistency is good

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justinh:

no accounting for taste, I guess

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rileyp:

Four menu screens is all I care for the recordings the video ,guide and main menu the rest dont really matter

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justinh:

but white text on not very translucent white background.. shudder

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justinh:

and how many fonts are used on the watch recordings screen? Jesus

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rileyp:

I like some of willi a lot of graphite and mythbuntu

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rileyp:

I dont like the blue progress bar in the new graphite.

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rileyp:

well not new graphite just the locked graphite with the bule bar rather than black curves

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rileyp:

and its transperency

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justinh:

black curves is way too transparent

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justinh:

IMHO it's almost as if everybody making themes now is scared of opacity – like the ability to have transparent images is new :P

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kav0rka^:

has anyone had any issues with dowloading new themes for 0.24 via the setup menu? i pick a theme...it says its downloading...but it never completes...no error messages on the console

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ktbos:

I'm looking for help with iPod export. I've been following the guide at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/IPod_Export_Solution:_Myth2iPod but I'm stuck on nuvexport – I don't have it even though according to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Nuvexport , "Nuvexport is now part of MythTV".

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rileyp:

ktbos use handbrake cli and run it as a user job there is guide on the buntu forums

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rileyp:

converts straight to mp4 and of size good for ipod

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ahughes:

what's wrong with installing mythbuntu and not just myth?

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ktbos:

Thanks, rileyp, I got a suggestion about handbrake from the mailing list too. I'll look into it. But I'm not sure why there are guides that talk about nuvexport and yet nuvexport is missing – I can't be the only one that doesn't have it and doesn't know where to get it.

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ktbos:

(I had previously installed handbrake for another reason but hadn't found a guide saying to use it for iPod, so that's what I'll look for now.)

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Shadow__X:

ahughes: mythbuntu is an ubuntu distro designed to make mythtv setup very easy. Mythtv is a open source dvr.

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ahughes:

so if I want the dvr to also act as a desktop I should use mythbuntu?

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justinh:

erm, no

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Shadow__X:

mythtv is the package. You could technically install ubuntu (OS) and install mythtv

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wagnerrp:

you want your backend to operate as a desktop?

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wagnerrp:

at the every least, your master backend should really be run on dedicated hardware

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wagnerrp:

or something dedicated for use as a server

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ahughes:

well I have the backend plugged into the tv && amp right???? So why the heck should I not be able to bring up songbird or some other media app ontop of myth?

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justinh:

any cpu intensive stuff can interfere with scheduling etc

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justinh:

and be wary of things filling up the partition where mysql keeps its data

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rileyp:

ktbos http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1464306

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wagnerrp:

cpu intensive stuff isnt the problem

[11:54:21]

wagnerrp:

its the idea that when being used as a desktop

[11:54:24]

ktbos:

Cool, thanks rileyp, I wasn't having any luck finding it.

[11:54:30]

justinh:

because speaking from experience it will break your database irretrievably

[11:54:35]

wagnerrp:

your interactive use could conceivably result in instabilities that will break things

[11:54:55]

justinh:

that and installing updates willy-nilly

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Shadow__X:

justinh: thats not the correct way to install updates?

[11:55:36]

justinh:

installing updates in a scattergun fashion, as recommended by the update manager will likely break stuff

[11:55:46]

wagnerrp:

while a server machine, or a dedicated mythtv box, would generally be something you get running and leave for extended periods unaltered

[11:56:13]

justinh:

Shadow__X: there are 100,345,231 updates available. click *here*... click.. wait.. ruh-roh I broked miffyteevees!

[11:56:47]

justinh:

that and installing other packages which maybe have strange dependencies which conflict with a mythtv installation

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ahughes:

wagnerrp, you serious? interaction could break things... aka multitasking right?

[11:57:06]

justinh:

ahughes: no, users interacting with things could break stuff

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justinh:

like, say downloading lots of files, filling up / where /home & /var invariably are on default installs, breaking the database

[11:57:56]

justinh:

and updating stuff, and even just installing new programs

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justinh:

easy to do without thinking hard

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rileyp:

ahughes, My myth server has 5 tuner and can record 15 channels at once its a dedicated box in the shed. When its not recording its commercial flagging and alot of peeps transode as well to mp4 so how much else you wantto do with it

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Shadow__X:

installing expansion cards while the system is on

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justinh:

oh no, can't get in there to do a listing... <changes directory perms> ... uh-oh...

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rileyp:

Shadow__X, nooooooooooo

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justinh:

any number of unthinking acts :)

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rileyp:

only hot plug sata

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ahughes:

rileyp, I don't want 5 tuners or be able to record x15 chans at once :) I just want to be able to cruise the net, load an mp3 player with a decent search/library and thats about it.

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Shadow__X:

justinh: i think you couild produce comical childrens books on what not to do on systems

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justinh:

loads of people complain about mythtv breaking all the time when they 'do stuff' – and those 'doing stuff' generally aren't just using mythtv on the machine

[12:00:34]

ahughes:

can a front end tell a backend to record something?

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justinh:

course it can

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Shadow__X:

ahughes: thats not what mythtv is about. its about recording tv hence mythTV

[12:01:11]

wagnerrp:

ahughes: mythbackend is a server application

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wagnerrp:

i would say the same thing about running any server application on a 'desktop'

[12:01:40]

wagnerrp:

if you care about uptime of said server application, it should not be run on a 'desktop'

[12:02:02]

wagnerrp:

as justinh explained, users like to tinker

[12:02:13]

wagnerrp:

and that tinkering could lead to undesirable results

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ahughes:

of course.... but if that were the case we'd all be buying apple products.

[12:03:09]

justinh:

sshhh

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Shadow__X:

really? thats your solution

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justinh:

people running mythtv who have few complaints with it are not generally the kind who tinker with systems once they're going

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rileyp:

can a front end tell a backend to record something? this is gold funny

[12:03:52]

wagnerrp:

apple laptop and workstation users can tinker just as hard as users on other operating systems

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ahughes:

I think you are missing my point :'( do I need to write off my one and only pc as a DVR or can it be more?

[12:05:13]

wagnerrp:

you /can/ run mythbackend on your desktop

[12:05:25]

wagnerrp:

however mythbackend expects to be able to do whatever it wants, whenever it wants

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justinh:

ahughes: it can be more, but YMMV, and don't come running to anybody if it fails to deliver

[12:05:47]

wagnerrp:

it wants to be on all the time, and failing that, it wants to be able to turn the computer on as needed

[12:06:01]

wagnerrp:

it wants dedicated access to the tuner hardware

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ahughes:

I guess there is only one way to learn hey :)

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seeker:

wagnerrp: Greedy b*stard, isn't it :P

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wagnerrp:

well if you dont guarantee that, the scheduler cant very well be expected to operate properly

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rileyp:

ahughes if you want it as a htpc in your lounge it will be fine

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justinh:

unfettered access to the tuner hardware is a *must*. so is being up when it expects to be up

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rileyp:

if you want to do a little googling etc its fine

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rileyp:

if you want run 3d cad software at the same time forget it

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ahughes:

rileyp, "it" being?

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rileyp:

your p4

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rileyp:

:D

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ahughes:

runnning myth or mythbuntu?

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ahughes:

and yeah... I only want a htpc setup.

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ahughes:

prolly borrow my playtv tuner for a bit too.

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ahughes:

thanks for all your help :) I'll be back no doubt but I gotta run now THNAK YOU

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justinh:

arghh

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justinh:

borrow a tuner for mythtv? :-O

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justinh:

that has failure written all over it

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rileyp:

mythbuntu is fine for what you want

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justinh:

he left already

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rileyp:

playtv work well in australia

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rileyp:

good dvbt dual tuner

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justinh:

rileyp: except that a lot of things might depend on a fuller desktop environment

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justinh:

rileyp: I mean 'borrowing' a tuner implying it won't always be left on the backend

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rileyp:

well if he is 15 and wants to plug it in for 5 minutes and then run back to his ps3 he will miss a few recrdings wont he

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rileyp:

and then blame mythtv kids....

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justinh:

wonder if there's a way to get irssi to filter out 'HTPC'

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seeker:

justinh: Why?

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justinh:

because it grinds my gears

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seeker:

...?

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justinh:

home theater (sic) PC

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justinh:

ugh

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ktbos:

rileyp, got handbrake to create the file for the iPod, copied the file to my Mac. Before loading it into iTunes, I thought I'd try playing it in quicktime as a test. Quicktime didn't like it. Any guess on if that is expected or indicative of a problem?

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seeker:

I don't see the problem with "HTPC"

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ktbos:

(my wife has her iPhone at work so I can't test it right now with the target device)

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justinh:

ktbos: try asking handbrake's support people :-)

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justinh:

seeker: lots of people don't see the problem I see with lots of things ;)

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wagnerrp:

justinh: good news, seems theyre trying to get vuvuzelas banned next year for the london olympics

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justinh:

like the word 'thingy'

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ktbos:

won't play in VLC either. Hmmm.. Maybe it'll just work when it gets to the iPhone or maybe not.

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wagnerrp:

you may get some sleep yet

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justinh:

wagnerrp: wish they'd just ban the olympics

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justinh:

or rather, wish that France had won

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seeker:

"thingy" isn't descriptive, "htpc" is :P

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wagnerrp:

the claim is that the things are 'disease factories'

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wagnerrp:

the perfect mechanism to blow germs over your fellow annoying jacka**

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justinh:

HTPC == ugly box the size of a small wardrobe under the TV, featuring all kinds of 'bling' like VFDs & front panel-mounted ports. Shudder

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seeker:

Not really

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justinh:

yes, really. if you see what most 'htpc' cases look like

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justinh:

they're either small, the kind meant to be mounted on the back of a flat panel TV, or else reasonable size and have unsuitable airflow – or they're just big & ugly

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justinh:

seen a few possible ones in my time but they generally go & spoil it all with front mounted ports

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justinh:

or they have the kind of price that tells you they may have been made by Albino dwarves out of castings from moon metal

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wagnerrp:

id say that about sums it up perfectly

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justinh:

when I get a HDTV I might as well combine the frontend & backend & hide the big ugly noisy box in a cabinet or another room :-)

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wagnerrp:

im partial to the 'mount on the back of a flat panel tv' myself

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seeker:

Just because the case is fugly doesn't mean it isn't a htpc, or that something with a nice case isn't a htpc

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seeker:

Htpc relates to the function not the case

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justinh:

and the term itself.. a PC is a PC

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ktbos:

rileyp, looks like I just didn't wait for the file to finish converting, got too excited when I saw a file of the size I expected show up in the output directory, trying again now. Thanks again.

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seeker:

Yes, what is your point?

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rileyp:

um my iphone mp4s that I made with handbrake play fine in vlc alsmost as good as original

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JEDIDIAH__:

AV components aren't necessarily "pretty" either, or even good for airflow (interestingly enough).

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ktbos:

Okay, good to know – I'll use it as a test. Thanks for the tips and the link!

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justinh:

anyway I was just saying I don't like the term. makes me shudder. accept it

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JEDIDIAH__:

it's a functional description more than anything else.

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justinh:

I think it's most the term 'home theater' that gets my goat, mostly the spelling

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seeker:

o.O

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seeker:

That's...just...

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justinh:

a bit retentive? :-)

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justinh:

sue me

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seeker:

No, people aren't even saying "home theater", they are saying "ht", which is an abbreviation of "home theatre"

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wagnerrp:

JEDIDIAH__: sure, but traditional AV components generally follow a certain aesthetic

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justinh:

hell, I've been known to delete people on facebook becuz thy use txt spk, or call me hun

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wagnerrp:

theyve got a bunch of buttons, but they arent overly flashy or colorful

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justinh:

JEDIDIAH__: also, AV kit with sockets on the front generally do it very well

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rileyp:

mythtv looks great on my wall ~3 long screen and ~1700mm high

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seeker:

It's like saying "I don't like the acronym TV because it stands for ThjfjsjdjdjsjdjakVfnrksicjdkaicfksjfjgntrndk"

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wagnerrp:

just flat black or silver, and a single color LCD

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justinh:

and the sockets are generally not PC100 colours or whatever the heck PC jacks are

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rileyp:

I just sit on couch with bt mosue and kb and xchat tv in backgroud

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wagnerrp:

HTPC cases tend to add shiny (plastic) chrome, multi-color panels, big full motion displays, colorful jacks

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justinh:

audio sockets like that take about £200 off the value straight away

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wagnerrp:

all in all, they /want/ to be obtrusive

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wagnerrp:

when they should just be another unassuming box sitting on a shelf

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justinh:

my LC02 box on the other hand, is way too far the other way – and for the record is *abysmal* at airflow

[12:39:23]

rileyp:

my frontend is asrock ion same size as wii and not that fugly

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justinh:

take your wife to see some computers. when she stops & says I WANT THAT UNDER THE TEEVEE.. my money is on the Mac mini

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wagnerrp:

case manufacturers are either too concerned about selling things on look, rather on merit

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seeker:

Shuttle brand cases look quite nice

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wagnerrp:

or you get the ridiculously expensive heatsink cases from hfx or a-something

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justinh:

shuttle cases are entirely the wrong shape to fit in

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justinh:

mind, so is a mac mini, but it looks so good I can forgive it anything almost

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wagnerrp:

we dont want a square box, we want something 17" wide, designed to fit in a standard AV shelf

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justinh:

I'd likely already be using a mac mini if the darn things didn't hold their value so insanely

[12:44:13]

justinh:

new apple $anything comes out, if you think you'll be able to get the last generation on the cheap forget it

[12:45:41]

wagnerrp:

justinh: you know anything about welding?

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seeker:

Lian-li PC-c50b looks pretty unobtrusive

[12:46:33]

justinh:

wagnerrp: covered some at college, forgot as soon as I sat the exams

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wagnerrp:

wondering how hard it would be to chop two inches off a 1U rackmount, and weld it back together

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justinh:

wagnerrp: aluminium?

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wagnerrp:

1.2mm steel

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seeker:

As does the antec fusion max

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justinh:

wagnerrp: not for the faint hearted. all the strength is in the front

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justinh:

mind, 1.2mm doesn't say it's holding 20 kilos ;)

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justinh:

seeker: nah, still looks like crap

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seeker:

?

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seeker:

It looks a lot like a standard AV receiver

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justinh:

I mean even AV amps aren't exactly *beautiful* but compared to these cases they're works of art

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wagnerrp:

nah, i mean stuff something like this in an A/V shelf... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681192213

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justinh:

they lack any kind of subtlety

[12:50:00]

justinh:

grrr. log fouled up a link again

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seeker:

Err, those cases are like receivers without all the knobs and bright displays

[12:50:37]

justinh:

big flat anonymous boxes can say "LOOK AT ME" just as well

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justinh:

wagnerrp: linky no worky

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wagnerrp:

actually, my cabinet is 19.2", so if youre not expecting any side airflow...

[12:51:46]

wagnerrp:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811192213

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wagnerrp:

forgot a 1 in there

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wagnerrp:

replace those front 40mm fans with a slot style cooler you see on graphics cards, and a squirrel blower drawing from holes cut in the top and bottom

[12:52:51]

justinh:

do a neat job of lopping the ears off & that wouldn't be too bad

[12:53:01]

wagnerrp:

run heat pipes from the CPU and NB

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justinh:

seeker: run pics of these cases past a woman & ask if she'd have that under the TV

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wagnerrp:

left side would be PSU, center would be mini-itx board with no cards, right side would just be a big heatsink

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justinh:

seeker: given a choice ;)

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wagnerrp:

draw from the top and bottom, exhaust out the back

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wagnerrp:

no front airflow, so no direct noise path

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seeker:

justinh: So you don't like PC cases with displays / buttons and ports on the front _and_ you don't like ones without?

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justinh:

no, I just want them *tastefully* done

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justinh:

sympathetic to the aesthetic needs of the domestic environment

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justinh:

i.e. don't stick out like a sore thumb

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justinh:

I am not 17 with my first month's salary looking for something to add to my 'technics stack'

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rileyp:

i wish my av reciver was half the size

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justinh:

if my wife could have nice loud surround without 'all the wires' and that big box (the AV receiver).. and the speakers..

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seeker:

justinh: Yes,

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seeker:

But you can't

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justinh:

oh but you can. just costs more money & time than I've got

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justinh:

reminds me. I need to fix the grilles for my floorstanding speakers. 9.5 month old suddenly started taking an interest in them, so the covers are going back on

[12:59:18]

justinh:

wonder if anywhere still sells grille fabric...

[13:00:08]

justinh:

oo cool. nexxia do, and they're quite cheap

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JEDIDIAH__:

minis are hardly inconspicuous either.

[13:02:01]

justinh:

yeah but in a *nice* way I think

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justinh:

empirically there's probably not much that sets the mini apart. I mean, it's a box housing a computer.. it has ports and an optical drive – and yet somehow it looks like it came from a different universe to any other small form factor box

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justinh:

the boxee box looks like it came from a universe where everything is utterly wrong ;)

[13:04:44]

justinh:

new email. oh NOW we're going to test the PoE switch we've been selling for 2+ months, to make sure it can deliver the power we say it will. Sigh

[13:09:39]

wagnerrp:

aww

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wagnerrp:

schema was updated 18hrs ago

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wagnerrp:

means if i update my backend, ive got to update the frontends as well

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justinh:

my FE & BE are both build from source. both run the same distro. both should really have packages built for em

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justinh:

never really looked into doing that

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wagnerrp:

i dont use packages, but all my frontends run off the same base image

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wagnerrp:

so i only have to compile once anyway

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justinh:

I dunno how the packaging stuff works anyway, since you can't even build the plugins without having the main part installed

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wagnerrp:

install to a temporary sandbox

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wagnerrp:

nothing says it has to be in the main directory structure

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justinh:

doh!

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justinh:

so simples

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justinh:

then when ready just copy it over. aha

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justinh:

sometimes I iz a bit fick

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justinh:

so --prefix ... but keep --runprefix as the place where they'll ultimately live?

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wagnerrp:

something like that

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justinh:

ok.. so what's to be done with --libdir-name ?

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justinh:

duh nevermind

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wagnerrp:

might want to ask the mythbuntu guys these questions

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wagnerrp:

hehe... lurker_ fails

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justinh:

too much coffee. can't concentrate too well right now

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wagnerrp:

(other channel)

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justinh:

I saw "search/install libraries in PREFIX/LIBNAME [lib]" for --libdir-name help in .configure & didn't understand

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justinh:

but PREFIX IS PREFIX, dummy!

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justinh:

e.g. doing a make install to --prefix=/home/me/testcompile would (I think) get me /home/me/testcompile/bin/mythtv$programs and /home/me/testcompile/lib/mythtvlibs

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wagnerrp:

correct

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wagnerrp:

and some share/ too

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justinh:

aye

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justinh:

need to read more about DIYing packages methinks

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wagnerrp:

need to implement a frontend setup that would not be aided by DIYing packages

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justinh:

I mean I've often been tempted just to use the packages already made, but for the 'helper' mysql config efforts

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justinh:

that & the funky paths ubuntu folks seem to like.. linux standard or not, I hate that

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wagnerrp:

everything goes in var!

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wagnerrp:

your home directory? thats variable data... VAR!

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justinh:

lol

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wagnerrp:

sphery: prices for the new AMD cores are out

[14:14:24]

wagnerrp:

quad core for $110-$170, or the 4x1.5 core for $320

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wagnerrp:

seems theyre pricing them up around the original X2 processors

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justinh:

cor. looks like the seller of ebay item #300559931171

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justinh:

is a bit of a smoker

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justinh:

no PSU? WTH?

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justinh:

then again.. ugh.. external brick

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wagnerrp:

why cant i paste into firefox?

[14:37:40]

justinh:

I get that sometimes. restart required

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wagnerrp:

ive been getting that a lot recently

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wagnerrp:

im wondering if its firefox

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wagnerrp:

or some screwey website playing games with javascript

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justinh:

generally closing & restarting FF fixes it

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wagnerrp:

sure, but if im halfway through typing up some spiel on why someone on slashdot is wrong...

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justinh:

need a death over IP plugin ;)

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wagnerrp:

'will i be able to play rented bluray disks through mythtv?'

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wagnerrp:

how would rented disks be any different than purchased disks?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: nice--if only we had good drivers for the integrated GPUs

[15:13:22]

wagnerrp:

that quad core processor i had mentioned earlier was a mobile processor

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wagnerrp:

so i would assume the desktop ones are closer to 2.5GHz or so

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wagnerrp:

2.5–3

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wagnerrp:

(the low end mobile processor)

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sphery:

ah, cool--that would mean the 1.5 is probably in the 35W or lower TDP range

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wagnerrp:

1.9

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wagnerrp:

4x1.5... meaning 1.5 cores

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wagnerrp:

bulldozer chip

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wagnerrp:

pseudo 8-core

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sphery:

so, how is it that using OpenGL ES (embedded specification) would "eek better OpenGL performance out of the open source ATI drivers"?

[15:22:42]

sphery:

Ah, I understand. It's just another *too user who's flipping switches he doesn't understand because that's what you do to get max performance.

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wagnerrp:

does anyone have /any/ idea what the 'TEMPORAL_SPATIAL + IVTC' test in qvdpautest is?

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sphery:

wow, Hitachi 2TB for $59.99 after $10 MIR – http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145475 ($79.99) + promo code EMCKEHF22 (-$10) + MIR (-$10) = $59.99 (plus cost of a stamp)

[15:41:30]

sphery:

and it's not a WD EARS, so it won't fail in 4 weeks, as they all do ;)

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Vili_:

What might be wrong when Kaffeine shows TV just fine, but with mythbuntu the image is all scrambled like there is bad signal

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wagnerrp:

bad playback profile on a worse (ATI) graphics card

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Vili_:

it's nvidia

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wagnerrp:

proprietary drivers? what card?

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Vili_:

Yeah I have enabled proprietary drivers... Not sure about the card

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Vili_:

Here is my lspci http://pastebin.com/eaDytMmD

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wagnerrp:

thats an old one

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wagnerrp:

go into the frontend settings, playback

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wagnerrp:

and make sure the playback profile you are using is set to the standard decoder, and xv-blit renderer

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pak0:

hi all people, good evening

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Vili_:

Did not help

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wagnerrp:

im going to be extenuating circumstances were involved

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tob_:

hi, i'm running v0.25pre-1977-g4938c83 and i can't "watch" channels without Video

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wagnerrp:

huh?

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tob_:

well it's a radio channel...

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wagnerrp:

audio-only DVB channels should be supported

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wagnerrp:

but those are not radio

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wagnerrp:

mythtv has no support for radio

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tob_:

jep, that's what i meant

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tob_:

I get " Error: Waited too long for decoder to fill video buffers. Exiting.."

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wagnerrp:

but its one of those things that none of the devs ever use

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wagnerrp:

so it can and has been silently broken in the past

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wagnerrp:

by people simply not thinking about it

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tob_:

after a lot of waited Xms for video buffers..

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tob_:

i know, last time i hit the issue on .24 i already was told that there is no radio support in myth, hence the somewhat complicated description...

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wagnerrp:

[26944]

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MythLogBot:

SVN 26944: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/ab618bee

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wagnerrp:

do you know about when they stopped working?

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wagnerrp:

might want to file a ticket, so one of the european devs can confirm/deny it

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tob_:

since i switched from the .24-fixes to master (the 0.25 ebuilds from git)

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wagnerrp:

well that narrows it to oh... 2000 commits, give or take

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wagnerrp:

:)

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wagnerrp:

justinh: you around?

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tob_:

ok, so audio-only DVB channel is the correct term?

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wagnerrp:

good as any

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tob_:

:-)

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tob_:

mh it's only a problem in livetv, playing a recorded audio-only channel seems to work just fine...

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wagnerrp:

might have something to do with the signal monitor

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sphery:

wagnerrp: maybe it's ivtc for the telecined part, and temporal/spatial for the rest (i.e. commercials)?

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wagnerrp:

but thats not whats being tested

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wagnerrp:

its a generic video

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wagnerrp:

not a recording with show and commercials

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wagnerrp:

its a benchmark, not a playback profile

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namenick:

Build question: I've managed to get most of the parts that MythTV 24.1 is looking for, but for some reason I'm having trouble figuring out what it needs for "libfftw3 support". I _think_ I have the appropriate libraries etc., but I must be missing something.

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namenick:

(I'm assuming I don't need DirectFB or FireWire support)

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wagnerrp:

fftw3 is needed for time stretch, and visualization in mythmusic

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namenick:

Seems useful; how do I figure out what I'm missing?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: FWIW in .24 blu-ray playback wasn't hooked up to the menus yet, I added that to master shortly after the release-- in .24 you need to use mythavtest if you want to play direct from the disc

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iamlindoro:

and by menus, I mean the myth menus that is

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wagnerrp:

ah, didnt realize that

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wagnerrp:

so a quick xml modification to the menus, and it works

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iamlindoro:

Sure, you could have it spawn mythavtest.

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iamlindoro:

In .25 it's just a single "play optical disc" menu item that figures out what you've got and handles it all internally

[17:02:46]

iamlindoro:

or rather, the future .25

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wagnerrp:

so its more than just the XML needs fixing, theres some underlying structure in the internal player missing

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sphery:

namenick: actually, fftw3 isn't needed for time stretch... we have a mess of fftw libs in use in MythTV, and you'll likely never notice fftw3 support being disabled in MythTV (though maybe you will in mythmusic)

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: correct, a small amount of code to pull in the bluray mountpoint, etc. and point the internal player at that was needed-- DVD plays by the /dev node, blu-ray by the mountpoint

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: basically it checks the blu-ray mountpoint, and if something is mounted there it plays it, then falls through to DVD, and so on

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namenick:

After I get it compiled, I assume I should uninstall all the rpm-s that I used to install 0.24 before I install the new version?

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sphery:

definitely

[17:14:11]

sphery:

you should remove all trace of packages before installing a compiled-yourself version

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sphery:

out of curiosity, why are you switching from packages to self-compiled?

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namenick:

sphery: well, if I can live without libfftw3, I guess I should try that. It's just that I seem to have everything I think I need except for fftw_init_threads, and yum doesn't seem to know of anything that provides it in my repos.

[17:15:00]

namenick:

I'm having problems

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namenick:

When I try watching TV, I can't leave it without having a black screen

[17:16:04]

namenick:

that I seem to need to kill by logging in from another computer.

[17:16:26]

namenick:

playback seems to be at half-speed.

[17:16:48]

namenick:

I think there was something else, too.

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sphery:

I think the fftw3/fftw3f in mythtv is only really used for audio processing

[17:17:19]

sphery:

like surround upmix or something

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sphery:

and we fall back to ffmpeg's fftw if fftw3 isn't there

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namenick:

Well, I can probably live without it then.

[17:18:10]

sphery:

I've heard of others having issues with the UI not being redrawn after leaving playback, but can't remember what the cause was

[17:18:35]

sphery:

you /were/ using current 0.24-fixes, and not, for example, a version of 0.24 that shipped with your distro, right?

[17:18:45]

namenick:

I'm hoping that the compiled version will fix at least some of the various problems.

[17:18:47]

sphery:

(i.e. you enabled the repos with the current 0.24-fixes, if in *buntu)

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sphery:

as at http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos , if *buntu

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namenick:

sphery: no, I was not. I was using the version in rpm-fusion, I think.

[17:19:57]

sphery:

don't know the RH stuff, so I'm not sure, but I'd guess that's also 0.24-fixes (and you don't need to enable any special update to get off the version the distro ships with)

[17:20:09]

namenick:

version 0.24 from rpmfusion-free-updates, to be exact.

[17:20:25]

sphery:

if you haven't uninstalled the packages, what does mythbackend --version give? (to pastebin.com , please)

[17:21:33]

namenick:

I have not tried pastebin, hold on a sec....

[17:22:39]

namenick:

http://pastebin.com/e64E8fJw

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sphery:

that's a Mar 24 version, so not too bad... somewhere around 30 fixes since then

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sphery:

is that the most current in rpm fusion?

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sphery:

don't think any of the changes would specifically fix the not-redrawing-ui issue, though

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namenick:

sphery: I think so. "yum info mythtv" doesn't show any newer packages than the installed one.

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sphery:

ok... like I said, it's probably "new enough"

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sphery:

unfortunately, though, that means that a self-compiled newer version is unlikely to fix the issue, though

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sphery:

hope it does, though

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namenick:

yeah. (*sigh*)

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sphery:

wagnerrp-hates-h: h?

[17:27:24]

wagnerrp-hates-h:

aww... nick length limit

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wagnerrp:

hypermillers

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wagnerrp:

dirty fu**ers

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sphery:

ahhh

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devinheitmueller:

Hey, can somebody point me to someone who works on the DVB code in myth?

[17:27:49]

sphery:

how much does that actually work?

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wagnerrp:

accelerating so slowly my car never exceeds 2krpm

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sphery:

devinheitmueller: maybe danielk22 (in #mythtv )?

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devinheitmueller:

I wanted to run something by whoever works on the channel scanner.

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wagnerrp:

driving too slow for me to go into high gear and actually run efficiently

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sphery:

yeah, definitely danielk22

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devinheitmueller:

sphery: ok, thanks.

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wagnerrp:

rolling through stop signs at 15mph

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sphery:

rolling through stop signs

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wagnerrp:

bastard got my caught at not one, but two red lights

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sphery:

so it's hyper-miling-and-breaking-the-law, now?

[17:28:51]

namenick:

golly, it's taking a while to compile!

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wagnerrp:

which is impressive, because it means he was going slow enough that i caught up with him half a mile later before the next light

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sphery:

wagnerrp: so does it actually save much gas?

[17:30:03]

namenick:

doesn't rolling around stop signs work better?

[17:30:20]

namenick:

...oh

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wagnerrp:

sphery: depending on how you do it, you might get 50% better mileage than standard driving

[17:31:16]

wagnerrp:

but doing that involves things like turning the engine off, pushing in the clutch, and letting it cost for miles

[17:31:39]

wagnerrp:

this guy wasnt really a hypermiller

[17:31:56]

wagnerrp:

he was just an incompetent a** in a POS mazda

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sphery:

turning off the engine while rolling down the road... wow, that's a scary though

[17:32:55]

sphery:

thought, even

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wagnerrp:

no power steering, no power breaks

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wagnerrp:

brakes

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seeker:

No ability to accelerate either

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sphery:

yeah, talk about "going ballistic"

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sphery:

and all to save $5/20 miles or so

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namenick:

Do I need to wipe out the databases when I reinstall from source?

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sphery:

er, half of $5/20mi, that is (when not driving will actually save you the whole amount--just like with MythTV, you get the most power efficiency savings by actually not running it when you don't need to)

[17:41:47]

sphery:

namenick: no

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sphery:

just start up the new version

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namenick:

BTW, somebody was mentioning having the (?backend?) machine "wake up when needed". How the heck does that work?

[17:44:58]

wagnerrp:

boot timer built into the motherboard

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sphery:

you can set up the master backend so that it "sleeps" remote backends (sends a message telling them to run a script that can be written to suspend or shut down the remote backend) and wakes them by running a script on the master backend or using Wake-on-LAN , and the master backend can do as wagnerrp mentioned

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sphery:

frontends can shut down when idle using mythwelcome/mythshutdown

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namenick:

(except my backend is also my main frontend. [humor unintended])

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sphery:

I'm 99.99999% positive mar kk has a task ticket for audio-only channels, which means #9800 should be closed as a dup, but I have no idea how to find it

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wagnerrp:

frontends can just be shut down, period

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wagnerrp:

mythwelcome/mythshutdown is only for combo boxes

[17:48:08]

wagnerrp:

sphery: i did look for such a ticket before telling him to open a new one

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sphery:

namenick: that's fine... just run mythwelcome so you can exit mythfrontend to mythwelcome when not watching shows, and let the backend auto-shut down

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wagnerrp:

i came up empty

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yes, but users don't want to go to the trouble of doing it manually... they need it to be automatic

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wagnerrp:

what trouble?

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wagnerrp:

wrap mythfrontend in a script that triggers sleep when you exit

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sphery:

we're talking about users

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wagnerrp:

or just map your power button to sleep

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sphery:

there's a different level of concern here

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sphery:

regardless, my statement of "frontends can shut down when idle using mythwelcome/mythshutdown" did not say "dedicated frontends", so the info applies regardless of what else is running on that frontend (backends, mythjobqueue, etc.)

[17:51:09]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: this comment about mythtv only being able to play stuff from before mid-2009...

[17:51:14]

wagnerrp:

i thought AACS was wide open

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iamlindoro:

nope

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iamlindoro:

well, sort of nope

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iamlindoro:

If you have a firmware hacked drive, you can get the Volume ID and Volume Unique key for an individual disc of any vintage of AACS, which allows that individual disc's decryption

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iamlindoro:

For drives without a firmware hack, ie most drives, and all currently sold drives, you rely on Processing Keys being discovered

[17:53:23]

iamlindoro:

We have Processing keys (PKs) through MKB version 11, which is roughly mid-2009

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wagnerrp:

so the keys that you can get out of a hacked drive only allow playback on hacked drivers?

[17:53:53]

iamlindoro:

Processing Keys are a much more useful bit of info, but regrettably the interest in reverse engineering them/plucking them out of other players seems to have dried up

[17:53:54]

wagnerrp:

i thought the hacked drives allowed you to get at the processing keys themselves

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iamlindoro:

no

[17:53:57]

iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

Processing Keys are not VUKs/VIDs

[17:54:16]

iamlindoro:

Processing Keys allows the calculation of VUKs/VIDs

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iamlindoro:

VUK/VID are the lowest level/least privileged level of information

[17:54:39]

iamlindoro:

with a VUK/VID for a disc, you can decrypt that disc., and that's all

[17:54:58]

iamlindoro:

with a Processing Key, you can calculate the VUK/VID for *all* discs with AACS up to that point

[17:55:27]

iamlindoro:

A new version of MKB means the revocation of the PKs before

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wagnerrp:

so lawsuits aside, there is nothing stopping someone from just putting up a database of VUK/VIDs from a hacked drive, allowing anyone to play them

[17:55:55]

iamlindoro:

so a PK for MKB v 6 allows calculation of VUK/VIDs (and thus, playback) of all discs though MKB6, etc.

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clever:

if you use a hacked drive to extract the volume id, can you then decrypt that one disk on ANY drive?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: that's correct, and it's an approach that some chinese blu-ray ripper software manufacturers use

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iamlindoro:

clever: Yes

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iamlindoro:

But bear in mind that each pressing of each disc in each region will have a different VUK/VID

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iamlindoro:

so having a massive DB of VUKs/VIDs is sort of crap

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iamlindoro:

versus simply having one good PK

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clever:

so somebody needs to buy every unique version of every movie, and extract the codes

[17:57:42]

iamlindoro:

Only if someone wants to implement the worst possible solution

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wagnerrp:

but thats likely to be in the tens of thousands by now

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iamlindoro:

If you had a PK for the current MKB, which is one short string, you could decrypt all AACS discs on any drive

[17:58:40]

iamlindoro:

thus, uncovering PKs is the best solution

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wagnerrp:

so that code that causes all the hooplah a couple years back was a private key, not a vuk/vid

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wagnerrp:

*processing key

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iamlindoro:

yes

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iamlindoro:

it was the MKB v1 PK

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iamlindoro:

thereafter, four others were found, with the latest being an MKB v 11 PK

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sphery:

the best solution is to get the content owners to realize how futile DRM is, and come up with better licenses that allow users to use content with modern systems, like media center computers and portable players and ...

[18:00:24]

sphery:

but the sky is still blue and I haven't seen any unicorns, so I doubt that will happen

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wagnerrp:

if they do that, then they lose out on all those additional revenue streams of people purchasing multiple copies of the movie for different mediums

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sphery:

yeah, the /claimed/ additional revenue

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sphery:

how many people actually buy multiple copies of a movie just so they can have one on blu-ray and another on ipad/iphone?

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clever:

iamlindoro: so they can generate new valid processing keys from a super secret key?

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wagnerrp:

correct

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dashs:

How to add a 'display group' besides 'Default'?

[18:03:11]

sphery:

sounds like a Hotz solution!

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sphery:

dashs: "display group" = ???

[18:03:24]

sphery:

recording group?

[18:03:28]

sphery:

playback profile group?

[18:03:38]

sphery:

playback group?

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sphery:

channel group?

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wagnerrp:

did i just get signed up to fix #9764?

[18:04:18]

sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, I took it as mine... so, yeah :)

[18:04:28]

dashs:

No display group as shown on the 'Watch Recordings" menu.

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sphery:

the ideal solution is the "change connection type" approach you and CM discussed

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JEDIDIAH__:

can't be Apple users. They don't believe in BluRay. [ducks]

[18:05:03]

sphery:

and it allows us to idle when not actually processing

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sphery:

but I may take a shortcut if we don't do your new proto code in time

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wagnerrp:

JEDIDIAH__: of course not, they have the far superior content on itunes

[18:06:45]

sphery:

dashs: In Watch Recordings you can specify filters. Those filters allow you to select all shows in a particular Recording Group (where Recording Group) is specified in the recording rule or recordings can manually be moved into a recording group in Watch Recordings. Or, you can filter by category, where the category is a value provided (only) by the listings provider and is not editable.

[18:07:25]

sphery:

dashs: so you want to create recording groups and move existing shows into that group manually (you can do many at once using playlists), and change recording rules to specify appropriate recording groups for future recordings

[18:07:50]

sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, yeah, like 2Mbps content, right? :)

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: what was the reason for the libwww-perl-6 requirement?

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** Beirdo yawns **

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Beirdo:

perl 6?!

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wagnerrp:

http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9692

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wagnerrp:

that just doesnt seem right...

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kormoc:

I don't remember

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kormoc:

Beirdo, version 6

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kormoc:

no?

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kormoc:

did I screw up?

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wagnerrp:

no, you commited as the user gave

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wagnerrp:

i think the user screwed up

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Beirdo:

oooh

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Beirdo:

I was wondering there..

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wagnerrp:

libwww-perl-6 is not libwww for perl 6?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, I don't think so, I thought it was just version 6 of libwww perl

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kormoc:

but if it's for perl 6, then yeah, we got to revert that

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wagnerrp:

well whatever it is, its causing a flood of masked dependencies

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kormoc:

hrm

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wagnerrp:

and i cant believe were using something new enough to require such

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wagnerrp:

its odd, you made the change at the beginning of may

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kormoc:

I thought they masked it up stream? it used to be unmasked but they changed their mind

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wagnerrp:

but i didnt get issues with the may 8 and may 15 builds

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wagnerrp:

oh, that could be

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wagnerrp:

no, im on 5.836 currently

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kormoc:

hrm... I'm just mistaken then

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wagnerrp:

unless there was something else previously masked, that is no longer

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wagnerrp:

that pulled it in as a dependency

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wagnerrp:

the user had it manually unmasked, while i did not

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wagnerrp:

holy crap, look at that depgraph go

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wagnerrp:

i think it hit a loop somewhere

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kormoc:

ick :(

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simonckenyon:

anybody got a set of ebuilds which use master and also allow for local patches?

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wagnerrp:

the official ebuilds do, with some slight tweaking

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wagnerrp:

open your own fork of mythtv on github

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wagnerrp:

submit your packages there

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wagnerrp:

and alter the SRC_URI line in your ebuild to point to your own project

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simonckenyon:

ok. i see what you mean. hadn't thought of that.

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wagnerrp:

s/alter/manually specify/

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simonckenyon:

lot of work for a one line patch – but better than going back to my own shell schript for builds

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wagnerrp:

you can see the syntax at the bottom of the eclass

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wagnerrp:

alternatively

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wagnerrp:

you can simply add your patch file into the files/ directory

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wagnerrp:

and reference it in an ebuild

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wagnerrp:

use the epatch command in the src_prepare subroutine

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wagnerrp:

there are existing examples in there to follow

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simonckenyon:

not tricked with eclasses. thanks for the tips though. will try after dinner. -ooo-

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wagnerrp:

oof...

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: im building it against libwww-perl-5, to see what happens

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kormoc:

kk

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wagnerrp:

my guess is the user has something else unmasked and pulling in a later version than he should be

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wagnerrp:

which is trickling into other stuff

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kormoc:

yeah

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namenick:

mythplugins prob: mythplugins/configure reports that I'm missing libcdaudio, CDDA paranoia, and taglib, but I think I've installed the rpm packages for all of these. Do I need to do something special so that configure knows about /usr/lib64, or is there something else that I'm missing?

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sphery:

dev packages, likely

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sphery:

i.e. headers

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namenick:

I thought I installed the devel packages, too.

[19:04:11]

sphery:

(usually things like taglib-dev or whatever)

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namenick:

yup, taglib-devel is installed.

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sphery:

not sure, then

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sphery:

it needs to be version 1.5 or greater, IIRC

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sphery:

don't know about cdaudio and paranoia

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namenick:

taglib 1.7

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namenick:

So far, my best guess is that it's not checking /usr/lib64, but that should be the default; I'm reluctant to mess with the system defaults

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namenick:

I ran a "find" over the whole system looking for the parts; see http://pastebin.com/YU7G23hx

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sphery:

namenick: you'll have to look at the checks being performed in configure and find out which one is failing

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sphery:

look at config.ep and configure itself

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namenick:

That's what's driving me nuts. libcdda_paranoia.so and libcdda_interface.so *are* in /usr/lib64,

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namenick:

and cdda_paranoia.h is in /usr/include/cdda/cdda_paranoia.h, but something is still failing.

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sphery:

yeah, look at the errors in config.ep

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sphery:

and the actual checks in configure

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sphery:

i.e. we actually check for the existence of certain functions in some libs as well as just checking for header existence

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sphery:

also check for the lib shared objects (.so) in lib dirs

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sphery:

and version checks and ...

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sphery:

tons of stuff you'll need to look at--which is why you have to basically verify each check it does :)

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namenick:

I'm not seeing anything that looks like error messags in config.ep

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sphery:

GMail actually switched to WebP? So, Google will only let you see an image sent from a GMail user if you use Chrome?

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sphery:

WebP... The useless standard

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sphery:

and patent encumbered, too

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sphery:

yay, Google... Do no evil.

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sphery:

at least they seem to have made the use of WebP in GMail optional

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sphery:

namenick: if that's the case, then it likely didn't run any compile test--because if failed to find some critical component (header or lib file or such)

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sphery:

so you need to look at the tests in configure

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namenick:

Well, either "has_library" in configure is broken, or somehow my system doesn't know about /usr/lib64. There's no environment variables that mention /usr/lib64, but ldconfig seems to know about the missing files.

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namenick:

I'll go check "has_library".

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simonckenyon:

in MYTHTV_VERSION="v0.25pre-1977-g4938c83" where did the 1977 come from?

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namenick:

huh, "has_library" is broken; it does not check /usr/lib64. I checked this by adding /lib64 and /usr/lib64 to the list it's using, and now it finds the missing libraries. Who do I report this to? (and it seems to me that it wouldn't be looking in /lib or /usr/lib either)

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bumblebeebat:

Hi Guys, Just wondering if anyone has dealt with h264 errors like: "no frame!", "sps_id out of range", "non-existing SPS 32 referenced in buffering period"...

[19:55:35]

bumblebeebat:

"non-existing SPS 32 referenced in buffering period", "non-existing PPS referenced", "non-existing PPS 0 referenced", "decode_slice_header error"

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bumblebeebat:

I am trying to fix a box for a fiend, the error are displayed in the backend. I think they are running a hd-pvr and vdpau

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sphery:

simonckenyon: that was the Star Wars version of MythTV, vintage 1977

[19:58:33]

sphery:

(actually, 1977 is the number of commits to the branch since v0.25pre)

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sphery:

namenick: not broken--you have to tell configure that your system uses /usr/lib64... I forgot which option it is, but your fedora packager knows (as do the fedora RPM-building scripts at https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/tree/master/rpm ).

[20:00:44]

sphery:

in truth, you should probably be building a package rather than doing a "splatter an unpackaged MythTV across a properly-package-managed system install" type approach

[20:01:47]

simonckenyon:

so if i want to bump up the rev that the ebuild uses – where do i get it from? do i just make it up? don't see anything obvious is the commit log or git

[20:02:43]

sphery:

I'll leave that question to wagne rrp or kor moc or someone else ebuild-literate

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simonckenyon:

i went for the subtle 1978 option

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namenick:

I think you are right about the packaging, but I don't know about how to do it yet. Meanwhile, as far as I can tell, the "has_library" function fails independently.

[20:06:05]

namenick:

I'll try testing it some more.

[20:13:31]

sphery:

namenick: there's a simple command-line option you pass to configure

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sphery:

I don't remember what it is, but it's specifically created for distros that use the crazy lib64 dir

[20:14:21]

sphery:

once you add that, has_library, et. al. will work fine and it will detect your prereqs

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namenick:

sphery: if it's "--libname=..." I'm not getting that to work.

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skd5aner:

sphery: I guess I never thought about it – but I'm surprised #3 was never automated earlier – http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/480841#480841

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namenick:

sphery: I'm looking at https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/raw/master/rpm/build_myth.sh , and there's bits that look a bit dicey.

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: it wouldnt be difficult to add #3 to find_orphans.py

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: even still, I can't imagine that Mythtv's been around 8 years and the concept of removing a backend can only be fully accomplished by some manual SQL

[20:31:24]

namenick:

For example, there's a line "rm -f "$ABSPATH"/mythtv/myth*.tar.bz2" but ABSPATH isn't defined in this script, and isn't a default environment variable. I'm looking now to see if it's coming from some other mechanism.

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namenick:

whoops, my mistake, ABSPATH first appears in a function, but is defined earlier in the execution path

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** justinh amplifies it & adds reverb... DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOF! **

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Batshua:

Oh, people! Hallo.

[20:45:03]

Batshua:

I have a problem.

[20:45:15]

Batshua:

I have 100% signal but only a partial signal lock.

[20:45:19]

Batshua:

I recorded fine yesterday.

[20:45:25]

Batshua:

I'm not sure what the next troubleshooting step is.

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justinh:

broadcaster may have shuffled things around. if that's the case, you need to rescan. deep joy

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Batshua:

Rescan!

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Batshua:

I can do that.

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justinh:

the backend log will give you a better indication of what's up – best do that first

[20:46:29]

Batshua:

I was afraid step one was "read the logs and tell us where it's borked"

[20:46:38]

Batshua:

but ... I am not always able to understand what's in there

[20:46:44]

Batshua:

and from what I'm reading on mythweb

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Batshua:

everything SEEMS fine?

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Batshua:

I am not getting errors on THAT log.

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justinh:

Batshua: which is why we ask people to find the log & pop it into a pastebin for somebody more experienced to look at it

[20:47:26]

justinh:

a lot of people have problems interpreting some of the messages there, even the plain English ones

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Batshua:

Ah, fair enough.

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Batshua:

It looks like I can't highlight channel scan.

[20:48:30]

Batshua:

I will try another theme.

[20:48:30]

justinh:

they're like "arghh! what does 'cannot write to the blah/foo directory. have you checked that the user mythbackend runs as has permission to use that directory?' mean?"

[20:48:58]

justinh:

(kind of thing)

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Batshua:

Right, and I might not be able to figure out where /blah/foo IS.

[20:49:11]

Batshua:

or what perms it shoudl have.

[20:49:21]

Batshua:

because when my install works, it works beautifully

[20:49:28]

Batshua:

and when it breaks, it breaks catastrophically

[20:49:41]

justinh:

is this DVB (-T or -C) or ATSC? Que?

[20:49:43]

iamlindoro:

Trying another theme will have no bearing on whether you can highlight channel scan

[20:49:57]

iamlindoro:

You cannot highlight channel scan because you have a misconfiguration

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justinh:

mythbackend has to be stopped for a scan to work

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Batshua:

justinh: OH.

[20:50:15]

Batshua:

Okay then.

[20:50:18]

Batshua:

I can kill the backend.

[20:50:20]

iamlindoro:

the most likely of which is you have selected the wrong type of card, followed by not having created and attached a video source

[20:50:21]

justinh:

and the user running mythtv-setup has to have permission to use the tuner(s)

[20:50:24]

Batshua:

and I don't remember offhand which it is.

[20:50:30]

Batshua:

I should have the perms.

[20:50:46]

justinh:

iamlindoro: 100% signal, partial lock on previously working channels

[20:51:18]

Batshua:

Didn't change any settings once it worked. (as far as I know. I wouldn't do it intentionally, that's for sure!)

[20:51:51]

sphery:

namenick: it's not --libname, it's something else... and, yeah, the build_myth.sh isn't up to date and may not work well since we switched to git, so you'll have to talk to people who use it or who build packages, now, and see what they're doing

[20:52:55]

sphery:

namenick: also, wagnerrp may know which arg you use to say you have lib64 dirs

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sphery:

skd5aner: all a matter of how often people actually decommission (versus change name of) mythtv systems and how much time doing a proper implementation allowing moving recordings takes

[20:53:55]

** iamlindoro sees that Comcast is doing it's "summer vacation siesta" thing with his cable modem again **

[20:54:03]

iamlindoro:

ie, it takes a break from 1–5 every day when it's hot

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simonckenyon:

after all that hand editing; there is a script to do it for me! Gentoo/scripts/mythtv-buildebuild.py

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justinh:

iamlindoro: good for them – encourages you to get out & do something better instead ;-)

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Batshua:

Even with mythbackend dead, I can't scan chnnaels

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iamlindoro:

justinh: Heh, in fairness, I think I do plenty :)

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Batshua:

I did reretrieve listings, though.

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justinh:

Batshua: you didn't answer my question. DVB? ATSC? QAM? que?

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Batshua:

justinh: I do not know offhand. how do I check?

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Batshua:

I set this box up like 2 years ago

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Batshua:

and this is the first time it's broken in a long long time

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justinh:

surely you know what kind of system you're using

[20:56:32]

justinh:

like, where do you live, for one thing

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Batshua:

Oh. US.

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justinh:

cable or over the air?

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namenick:

sphery: should I just ask here, or is there a better way of finding out how to build an rpm package?

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Batshua:

Cable, via firewire.

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skd5aner:

ding ding ding

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sphery:

here works if someone's around who knows

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justinh:

oh lordy

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skd5aner:

we have a winner!

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justinh:

over to somebody else now :)

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sphery:

Batshua: firewire is not scannable

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Batshua:

sphery: It scanned last night!

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Batshua:

I do not lie.

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sphery:

Batshua: you need to Fetch channels from listings provider

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wagnerrp:

sphery: ?

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skd5aner:

Batshua: firewire can be... termpermental at best

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Batshua:

I did fetch.

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Batshua:

Hrm.

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** iamlindoro notes again that the channel scan button will *only* be greyed out if you don't have a video source attached, or if the card type is incapable of scanning **

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Batshua:

Maybe the refetch fixes it.

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Batshua:

video source.

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iamlindoro:

bah, stupid comcast-- what the backlog says-- anyway, nobody is accusing you of lying, but you cannot, under any circumstances, scan firewire

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Batshua:

I should double check that on the offchance.

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iamlindoro:

So there's a mistaken recollection

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justinh:

maybe the cable company decided to disable the firewire on your box :)

[20:58:47]

Batshua:

iamlindoro: Maybe mythtv is lying to me.

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iamlindoro:

No, mythtv is not lying to you

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iamlindoro:

it cannot, will not, and never will, perform a scan of firewire

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justinh:

maybe a user could confuse 'fetch lineup' with 'scan' :)

[20:59:13]

Batshua:

nah, because I always do BOTH.

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Batshua:

I use coax as well.

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sphery:

Batshua: you need to not use scan

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Batshua:

firewire changes the channels, the coax goes to the tv tuner

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Batshua:

Hrm. Okay then.

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justinh:

hey I was trying to do you a favour re the confusion about scanning firewire

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sphery:

Batshua: with firewire and analog capture, don't scan

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Batshua:

AH.

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sphery:

Batshua: use Schedules Direct and Fetch channels from listings provider

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justinh:

you can't scan a firewire connection any more than you can scan a composite video input

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: I don't know... sometimes my mythtv box tells me that it thinks I look good... but I have a sneaking suspicion that behind my back it's calling me fat

[21:00:14]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner: Well that it will do

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sphery:

Batshua: to clean up the garbage you have, now, use the video sources portion of: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

[21:00:20]

wagnerrp:

23" IPS monitor for $170, if anyone is looking for an extra screen

[21:00:26]

iamlindoro:

libs/libmythtv/snarkybitch.cpp/h

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justinh:

this is where stating the facts early on could have saved us all some time. hey ho

[21:00:37]

skd5aner:

;) hehe

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namenick:

OK, does anybody here know how to create an rpm package for the MythTV [recap: I'm having trouble with the recent-ish rpmfusion packages of mythTV, so I'm trying to install it from source]

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Batshua:

sphery: ah, so then I had to change the input thing again, and it looks promising...

[21:03:05]

sphery:

namenick: you could also ask on the mythtv-users mailing list

[21:03:11]

Batshua:

Maybe it'll actually RECORD this hour's tv show.

[21:03:22]

sphery:

namenick: just because a lot more eyes will eventually see the question, there

[21:03:36]

Batshua:

that would be exciting. I don't know how it broke, but ...

[21:03:38]

sphery:

just ask how other RPM users are building--I think I've seen mention of a few users with scripts to build packages

[21:03:42]

Batshua:

hey, why is it checking my listings more than once?!

[21:04:37]

iamlindoro:

You are misinterpreting what is happening.

[21:05:13]

Batshua:

That's what it LOOKS like. Like it checks it 3x. Did something change since my old release? I guess I could use ssh so I can actually read the text more clearly.

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iamlindoro:

It may appear that way to you, it doesn't. It will do a retrieval from each lineup you have configured at schedules direct. Also, some people misinterpret wget's http auth output to be two requests

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Batshua:

Hrm, I'll watch it in the closer screen at some point to double-check, because it seems to take a lot longer than it used to.

[21:09:17]

Batshua:

Also, … when it rains, it pours. I have an unrecoverable error on transcoding.

[21:09:37]

Batshua:

How do I figure out what that means so I can fix it?

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iamlindoro:

provide logs of the failed transcode via pastebin

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Batshua:

The error was 225. Log, log log...

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Batshua:

"/var/lib/mythtv/mtd.log"?

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Batshua:

Nope... hrm.

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justinh:

mythtranscode != mtd

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justinh:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythtranscode lists a few error codes but not all of them

[21:54:36]

justinh:

what? BBC HD now available in 1080P?!

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sphery:

justinh: sounds like it's flip-flopping between i and p, depending on source (and confusing Sony TVs with built-in support in the process)

[21:55:56]

Beirdo:

mythtranscode error codes can be found in exitcodes.h.

[21:56:04]

Beirdo:

what version of mythtv, and what error code?

[21:56:27]

justinh:

sphery: yeah just caught the BBC R&D blog :-)

[21:57:43]

Batshua:

Uhoh.

[21:57:59]

Batshua:

What does it mean when it says it's recording, no errors, but the file cannot be found?

[21:58:02]

Batshua:

That's bad, right?

[21:58:41]

sphery:

Beirdo: pretty sure Batshua is on 0.24-fixes and he mentioned 225, which would be confusing to me, since we only seem to go to GENERIC_EXIT_START-13 in 0.24-fixes for mythtranscode

[21:59:05]

Batshua:

Also, if I know where to find mythtranscode logs, I can ... you know, paste 'em?

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sphery:

Batshua: depending on how it was run, they would go to different places

[21:59:24]

Batshua:

but I'm rooting around in the /var/logs/mythtv and I don't see anything that logically makes sense for that.

[21:59:25]

Batshua:

AH.

[21:59:36]

sphery:

likely, it's run by mythbackend, so its output is commingled in mythbackend logs

[21:59:43]

Beirdo:

sphery: gimme a sec

[21:59:47]

Batshua:

Okay. Ideas on where to look would be welcome, ... okay, I was going to check there first.

[21:59:47]

sphery:

or possibly mythfrontend logs or if you ran it separately...

[21:59:55]

sphery:

Beirdo: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/fixes%2 . . . /exitcodes.h for direct line

[21:59:59]

sphery:

er, link

[22:00:26]

justinh:

ugh channel Five does that switching between I & P. it's nasty

[22:00:52]

Batshua:

I appear to be running 0.23-fixes

[22:01:03]

sphery:

Beirdo: if only the log messages got stuck into the DB where a nice services API web page could provide an interface allowing the user to see log messages by hostname/application name/process ID...

[22:01:33]

Beirdo:

hehehe

[22:01:38]

Batshua:

Is a two-line paste okay in here?

[22:01:46]

sphery:

heh, 0.23-fixes is even more confusing (it's off by more than 1)

[22:01:56]

sphery:

under 3 is ok, but 3 or more to pastebin

[22:01:59]

Batshua:

That's what Lucid gave me.

[22:02:08]

Beirdo:

225 is what... in hex?

[22:02:13]

sphery:

and just be careful because sometimes it doesn't paste how you expect :)

[22:02:15]

Batshua:

2011-05–24 17:00:04.101 [mpeg2video @ 0x7f09dea08360]mpeg_decode_postinit() failure

[22:02:16]

Batshua:

2011-05–24 17:00:04.101 AFD Error: Unknown decoding error

[22:02:29]

Batshua:

It's now giving me error 135, btw.

[22:02:34]

Batshua:

I guess it just likes to change things up.

[22:03:48]

Beirdo:

error 135 could well be signal 7

[22:03:55]

Batshua:

(If there's a way to upgrade to the latest stable without breaking Lucid, I'm all for it.)

[22:04:17]

justinh:

build it yerself :)

[22:04:31]

sphery:

Batshua: which is lucid?

[22:04:40]

Beirdo:

10.04

[22:04:41]

Batshua:

Oh, sorry. 10.04

[22:04:45]

Beirdo:

which is what I use

[22:04:46]

sphery:

Batshua: http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos

[22:04:55]

Beirdo:

there's no reason you can't compile your own

[22:04:57]

sphery:

and, yeah, best bet is to go to 0.24-fixes

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Beirdo:

but yeah, use the mythtbuntu packages should you require packaging :)

[22:05:23]

sphery:

better, though, is to use the packages from http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos , since you don't need to compile yourself (saves a lot of effort figuring out how to do it properly)

[22:06:11]

Beirdo:

sphery: you encouraging ignorance? :)

[22:06:13]

sphery:

Beirdo: I'm guessing his 225/135 are "exit status confused" numbers due to the issue you found in *buntu

[22:06:35]

sphery:

Beirdo: heh, no, just encouraging delegation of responsibilities :)

[22:06:44]

Batshua:

do I want 0.25?

[22:06:46]

Batshua:

is that stable?

[22:07:03]

sphery:

after all, a team of people spend 1000's of hours working on packages for MythTV for *buntu so that we all don't have to :)

[22:07:07]

sphery:

Batshua: no, you want 0.24-fixes

[22:07:20]

sphery:

0.25 doesn't exist, so that's pre-release, unstable/development code

[22:07:38]

sphery:

(what they call 0.25 is... 0.24-fixes is stable, production quality code)

[22:07:42]

Beirdo:

0.25pre is a fun rollercoaster ride. Not for the faint of heart

[22:07:44]

sphery:

I'm using 0.24-fixes

[22:07:52]

Beirdo:

wuss

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Beirdo:

:)

[22:07:57]

Batshua:

I am not up for a rollecoaster quite yet

[22:08:02]

Batshua:

but I have 0.24x

[22:08:04]

Beirdo:

I would suggest 0.24-fixes

[22:08:11]

sphery:

heh, yeah, though this wuss was happy to not have 4 0-byte recordings yesterday :)

[22:08:56]

sphery:

last time I got a 0-byte recording was when a local channel had a signal issue and basically dropped off air while the box tried to tune it

[22:09:14]

Beirdo:

hehe

[22:09:16]

sphery:

(as evidenced by the recording on the same channel that preceded the show I missed)

[22:09:17]

tgm4883:

what we call 0.25, will become 0.25 when it gets released. Otherwise as of now it is built from master (trunk)

[22:09:20]

Beirdo:

yeah well, that is true

[22:09:36]

sphery:

tgm4883: yeah, that's a much better way of saying it... "will become 0.25 when it gets released"

[22:09:39]

sphery:

thanks

[22:09:55]

tgm4883:

sphery, IIRC it says that on the repos page (under FAQ I believe)

[22:09:55]

Beirdo:

tgm4883: you really should call it 0.25pre (like it is called in git) :) But yeah

[22:10:13]

Beirdo:

it's getting less confusing over time though :)

[22:10:17]

sphery:

Beirdo: if only I could make the local broadcasters equipment/software as stable as my 0.24-fixes MythTV system :)

[22:10:30]

Beirdo:

yeah, that would be nice

[22:10:38]

tgm4883:

Beirdo, perhaps. I've tried to make it so I don't ever have to touch the packaging ever again

[22:10:51]

sphery:

I think they leave off the pre so it's the same before/after (and users don't have to switch it over once 0.25 is released)

[22:10:56]

Beirdo:

tgm4883: yeah, understood

[22:11:11]

sphery:

but they do have a big fat warning somewhere (probably a little farther through the process than we let Batshua get :)

[22:11:12]

Beirdo:

well, the issue is... what comes after 0.25?

[22:11:22]

tgm4883:

sphery, it may be possible to do the pre, i'd have to look at the code

[22:11:27]

tgm4883:

Beirdo, 0.26?

[22:11:35]

Beirdo:

maybe, maybe not

[22:11:38]

sphery:

if they're on the 0.25 repo, then they'll have 0.25-fixes once 0.25 is released

[22:11:44]

tgm4883:

sphery, yes

[22:11:47]

Beirdo:

it might be 0.50 for all we know yet

[22:11:53]

Beirdo:

or 1.0

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Batshua:

When do we get to 1?

[22:11:58]

sphery:

so they won't stay on unstable...

[22:12:01]

Beirdo:

or who knows.

[22:12:02]

tgm4883:

Beirdo, true, we'll cross that bridge when it comes

[22:12:06]

Beirdo:

aye :)

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sphery:

Batshua: no, we now need to do like Google convinced Mozilla is the right way... A new release every 6 weeks with a major version number change

[22:12:29]

sphery:

this is why Firefox 5 is /already/ in beta

[22:12:40]

sphery:

and Firefox 6 and 7 will both be released this year

[22:12:42]

sphery:

stupid Google

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tgm4883:

Beirdo, it wouldn't be extremely difficult to push down a change like that to all users

[22:13:03]

Beirdo:

yeah, true nuff

[22:13:05]

tgm4883:

sphery, I disagree, stupid Firefox

[22:13:11]

tgm4883:

err, mozilla

[22:13:17]

sphery:

heh, OK, stupid Firefox for buying into Google's approach

[22:13:26]

tgm4883:

I disagree with letting other projects force your version numbers

[22:13:32]

tgm4883:

it's why I don't respect slackware

[22:13:44]

sphery:

Guess they were feeling a little bit inferior at FF4 when Google Chrome is version 12 or whatever

[22:13:57]

sphery:

what does slackware do?

[22:14:07]

tgm4883:

sphery, they jumped from 4.0 to 7.0

[22:14:08]

sphery:

is that the one whose number looks a lot like *buntus

[22:14:17]

tgm4883:

sphery, nope http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slackware

[22:14:20]

sphery:

ah, no... someone was talking about an 11.4

[22:14:22]

Beirdo:

hahahhahah

[22:14:28]

sphery:

and it wasn't *buntu

[22:14:40]

sphery:

OpenSuSE

[22:14:43]

Beirdo:

odor of isopropyl alcohol: alcohol odor

[22:14:46]

Beirdo:

no kidding.

[22:14:57]

Batshua:

Aka the nurse's office.

[22:15:05]

Batshua:

Not to be confused with hospital smell, which is far more complex.

[22:15:09]

tgm4883:

And their reasoning behind the jump was people wondered why they were only on 4.0 when everyone else was on 8 or 9 (eg, redhat 9)

[22:15:22]

Beirdo:

aka cleaning electronics :)

[22:15:30]

tgm4883:

This was all back around 1999–2000

[22:15:38]

Beirdo:

I wonder how much a small ultrasonic cleaner costs

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sphery:

Beirdo: heh, it's better than the descriptions of metals "a hard, silvery-gray substance" (pretty much used for every metal)

[22:16:04]

Beirdo:

gonna get me a spray bottle of 99.8% isopropyl

[22:16:27]

Beirdo:

it's great for cleaning circuit boards (dissolved flux)

[22:16:46]

sphery:

tgm4883: heh, that's crazy... I also believe version numbers shouldn't be arbitrarily adjusted like that

[22:17:32]

tgm4883:

sphery, I'll agree with that

[22:18:29]

sphery:

at least when Java skipped versions 3 and 4, they did it for a good reason--because Sun's version numbering scheme was incomprehensible to non-full-time-Java people

[22:18:38]

Batshua:

Updated, rebooting to make sure stuff starts up like it's supposed to...

[22:19:17]

sphery:

(i.e. people who didn't realize the difference between a Java Platform version number (Java 1 or Java 2) and an implementation version number Java 1.2, 1.3, 1.4)

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Batshua:

Do I want/need to install mythbuntu-desktop?

[22:27:55]

Batshua:

Right now I can choose which kind of session I want to run.

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bobgill:

I have downgraded to 2.6.32-lts kernel, recompiled mythtv and ivtv-utils, but still in myth-setup i can't get MPEG option when trying to add video capture card (I have 2 x pvr-150 and have /dev/video0, 1, 24, 25, 32 and 33)

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Batshua:

Ack!

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Batshua:

Uhm, guys?

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Batshua:

my audio broke. >.<

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Batshua:

Pulseaudio has stopped working.

[23:22:39]

Batshua:

It's just in mythtv, I get audio in other places.

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wagnerrp:

mythtv stops pulseaudio

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wagnerrp:

Batshua: ^^^

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Batshua:

Uh.

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Batshua:

That's ... bad? What should I use instead?

[23:36:41]

Batshua:

because it was working fine on 0.23-fixes.

[23:36:44]

wagnerrp:

just uninstall pulseaudio

[23:36:54]

wagnerrp:

0.23 disabled pulseaudio as well

[23:37:07]

wagnerrp:

in 0.22, you simply had to live with the bad audio issues caused by pulseaudio

[23:37:44]

wagnerrp:

instead of pulseaudio, you should use... nothing

[23:37:52]

wagnerrp:

you almost certainly have no need for a sound server

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Batshua:

So, what is most likely handling my audio?

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Batshua:

alsa?

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wagnerrp:

the same thing that has always handled it, alsa

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Batshua:

Hokay, I try THAT next.

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Batshua:

>.<

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wagnerrp:

pulseaudio doesnt do hardware

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wagnerrp:

alsa does hardware

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wagnerrp:

pulseaudio exists as an unnecessary layer between the application and alsa

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wagnerrp:

so, mythtv disabled pulseaudio, so it can access alsa directly, and bypass all of pulseaudio's "issues"

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Batshua:

:o

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Batshua:

uninstalling pulseaudio uninstalled mythtv

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Batshua:

what the heck

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wagnerrp:

because mythtv needs to be compiled against pulseaudio in order to be able to suspend it

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wagnerrp:

fun little application there isnt it

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** Batshua growls **

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Batshua:

I really hope my settings are still there.

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wagnerrp:

settings are stored in the database

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wagnerrp:

uninstalling mythtv does not affect them

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Batshua:

Ah, excellent

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Batshua:

I have a number of alsa-related options

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Batshua:

does it matter which one i pick?

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wagnerrp:

usually alsa:default, or maybe alsa:hdmi

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Batshua:

Default created no audio.

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Batshua:

I will see if there's an hdmi

[23:44:18]

Batshua:

Nope.

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Batshua:

>.<

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Batshua:

Still no audio. :(

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Batshua:

... I have NO alsa drivers.

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Batshua:

Wow.

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