Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, May 23rd, 2011, 00:01 UTC

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wagnerrp:

well i guess i have to get S3 working first

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wagnerrp:

it goes into S3 just fine... coming back out is another matter

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Beirdo:

true

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wagnerrp:

fans turn on, the thing makes noise

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wagnerrp:

keyboard, network, and video remain unresponsive

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wagnerrp:

ever used xmonad/awesome/othertilingwindowmanager?

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Beirdo:

nope

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wagnerrp:

im debating whether its worth it to run an X server on the basement computer

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wagnerrp:

just to have something better than 80x25 terminal

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: have i ever mentioned how much i _really_hate_ how all the init stuff in freebsd is written in bourne?

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SporkD:

i hate TV lol

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SporkD:

my tuner card is install correctly, just cant find any digital channels

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wagnerrp:

what tuner card?

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SporkD:

hvr-1600

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wagnerrp:

and you have a /dev/dvb/adapter0?

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SporkD:

yep

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SporkD:

and frontend0

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wagnerrp:

youve configured the card as a DVB DTV card in mythtv-setup?

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SporkD:

yep

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wagnerrp:

you have the antenna connected to the correct RF jack on the card?

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SporkD:

yes

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wagnerrp:

the digital and analog tuners use independent jackss

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SporkD:

ya

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wagnerrp:

have you tried scanning with the dvb-tools package 'scan'?

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wagnerrp:

or some other program like kaffeine?

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SporkD:

sudo scan /usr/share/dvb/atsc/us-Cable-IRC-center-frequencies-QAM256

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SporkD:

that and HRC

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wagnerrp:

wait, is the plugged into an antenna or cable line?

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SporkD:

antenna

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wagnerrp:

so why are you scanning us-Cable...?

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SporkD:

cause apparently I'm retarded lol

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wagnerrp:

why are you scanning QAM256?

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wagnerrp:

you want to be using the us-bcast channel table in mythtv-setup, with the 8VSB modulation

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SporkD:

us-ATSC-center-frequencies-8VSB?

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wagnerrp:

no, us-bcast and 8VSB

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wagnerrp:

do it from within mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

only try the external utility if you still cannot pick up any channels with the internal scanner

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SporkD:

so freq type Broadcast?

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SporkD:

and Terrestrial 8-vsb

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wagnerrp:

sounds good

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SporkD:

well I know fox is 7.1 and im pass that already

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wagnerrp:

no you dont

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wagnerrp:

you know FOX appears as 7.1 on your tv

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wagnerrp:

they could very well be on channel 35 or something

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SporkD:

80% and zero channels thus far

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SporkD:

no channels...

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SporkD:

sigh

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wagnerrp:

it should take more than two minutes for a scan

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wagnerrp:

well. try the external scanners and see if there is any different

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SporkD:

i dont have the us-broadcast in the tools..

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wagnerrp:

but im going to guess something wrong with the card, or something wrong with the antenna lead

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SporkD:

well if I put it on my TV I get 20 digitalo

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wagnerrp:

what about that us-ATSC?

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SporkD:

trying that now

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SporkD:

/usr/share/dvb/atsc/us-ATSC-center-frequencies-8VSB

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SporkD:

so far no good

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SporkD:

would I be looking for the "virtual channel" #?

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wagnerrp:

with sufficient antenna, you should find broadcasts on physical channels 5, 7, 13, 17, 21, 22, 26, 27, 29, 33, 36, 43, 46, and 49

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SporkD:

yep, 0 channels

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wagnerrp:

KTBC actually is on physical channel 7

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SporkD:

i even bought a small amp to no avail

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wagnerrp:

was the amp before or after trying to scan the first time?

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SporkD:

all after

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SporkD:

TV works like a charm though..

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SporkD:

weird

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wagnerrp:

ok, because PC tuner cards tend to be a bit temperamental, and can be overamped easily

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SporkD:

it was a small $20 from frys

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SporkD:

not a massive one or anythign

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pladijs:

I have a dell u2711 monitor (max 2560x1440) and alongside a crappy projector (native 1024x768 with 4:3 ratio). I'd like to show the same desktop on both (but not with the same resolution), is that possible?

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pladijs:

More generally, i'm looking for a very good passively cooled graphics card that will do this. any suggestions? Been very disappointed with the ati hd 6450 that came with my box

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[R]:

same desktop with differnet resoultion

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[R]:

that amkes NO SENSE

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wagnerrp:

he means he wants the same image

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wagnerrp:

scaled down to fit the projector

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[R]:

do any cards do that?

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wagnerrp:

dont know

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[R]:

especially considering it's not even the same aspect ratio

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wagnerrp:

i have seen ones where it will show the unscaled image

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wagnerrp:

and as you move the cursor around the screen

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wagnerrp:

it will move the window on the smaller screen within the larger virtual screen

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pladijs:

so given that setup, what would you do? i watch movies on the dell monitor, from time to time i'd like to watch them on the projector.

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wagnerrp:

so the one monitor sees everything at once

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wagnerrp:

the smaller one sees a small window of the larger one

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[R]:

yeah, tahts "virtual" in X

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wagnerrp:

really funky

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[R]:

i accidently enabled it on a laptop like 10 years ago

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[R]:

freaked me out

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pladijs:

Also: the ati hd 6450 is sluggish on the dell

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wagnerrp:

thats what ive seen cards do when you use 'clone' mode with monitors of two different resolutions

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SporkD:

you think possibly bad card wagnerrp ?

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wagnerrp:

SporkD: dont know what to tell you

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wagnerrp:

try again with the antenna lead on the other RF plug?

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SporkD:

the analog side?

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wagnerrp:

perhaps you are misreading the engravings on the backplate

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wagnerrp:

worth a try at this point

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wagnerrp:

check dmesg to see if it reported any errors during loading of the driver

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pladijs:

or am i too focussed on displaying at high resolutions...

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wagnerrp:

rendering at such high resolution, and then downscaling it

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wagnerrp:

its likely you will have trouble reading the OSD

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pladijs:

so do i understand i could try to run both devices at 1024x768?

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wagnerrp:

i would simply run it using two separate screens on the same X server

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wagnerrp:

and have different frontend profiles set up for the different monitors

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wagnerrp:

or else force it directly with --geometry

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wagnerrp:

do you actually need to be displaying the same thing on both screens?

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pladijs:

i see. and what resolution on the dell do you think my hd 6450 would happily run?

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wagnerrp:

you said it was already running at 2560x1440

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pladijs:

i don;t i just want to be able to watch movies where i want them. how would i easily switch? my original idea was to have the same image and just switch on the projector when needed.

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wagnerrp:

there would be no easy way to switch

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wagnerrp:

but you could stop it on one monitor, and start it back up on another monitor

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pladijs:

wagnerrp: It does run 2560x1440, but it seems sluggish. i was wondering if lowering the resolution gives less slugishness, and how much quality i would be sacrificing.

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pladijs:

or am i missing something here (you understand i don;t know the first thing about this).

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wagnerrp:

if you run at a non-native resolution, you are up to the mercy of the scalers in your display

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pladijs:

what do you mean with "it" in "stop it", X?

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wagnerrp:

it being mythfrontend

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pladijs:

does every display have ony one native res?

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wagnerrp:

stop it on one screen and one resolution, start it on another screen at another resolution

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wagnerrp:

digital displays, yes

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pladijs:

I see. that's relatively easy with some scripting i guess.

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wagnerrp:

its a bit more difficult, but still doable, if you want to start playback exactly where you left it

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pladijs:

any links?

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wagnerrp:

seen the frontend control socket on the wiki

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wagnerrp:

*see

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pladijs:

and i hope it would be ok if these devices are permanently plugged into different outputs on the card... but i'll do some reading on that.

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pladijs:

wagnerrp: a last question: given my setup, do you think getting another graphics card would make any difference?

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pladijs:

i won;t hold it against you if you ignore that

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wagnerrp:

depending on what is causing the 'slugishness' during playback

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wagnerrp:

switching to an nvidia card with the opengl painter might improve that

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pladijs:

i'd need a passivly cooled one with a low profile... i'll try out a bit more with my exising card and search around.some more. thanks a lot for your input.

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wagnerrp:

that graphics card should have plenty of power for an opengl rendered video output at that resolution

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wagnerrp:

but 'should' is a term you dont come to rely on with ATI graphics in linux

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pyther:

Hello

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pyther:

I have a KWorld ASTC 115 and want to use both digital and analog inputs, the card has two inputs

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pyther:

but it seems like both analog and digital work on the same input :(

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pyther:

any suggestions?

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wagnerrp:

that card has one single input, that can be used for either analog or digital, but not both at the same time

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wagnerrp:

for mythtv's purposes, it should only be used for digital

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pyther:

wagnerrp: it has two physical inputs :(

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pyther:

wagnerrp: why shouldn't it be used for analog?

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wagnerrp:

because its a framegrabber, and framegrabbers were not intended for recording

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pyther:

wagnerrp: can you recommend a good analog card then?

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wagnerrp:

it has two inputs, but they are internally switched to a single hybrid tuner

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wagnerrp:

for standard definition analog only, a cheap PVR-150 off ebay will work

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pyther:

bugger

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pyther:

wagnerrp: hmm might just get one from ebay

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pyther:

not sure how long we'll keep analog cable

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pyther:

since if we go digital I'd have to get a cable box and it'd be a mess

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wagnerrp:

the PVR-150 can record off the svideo outputs on your cable box

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pyther:

yah but a cable box is like $8/month

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pyther:

at that point I'd just download the shows or watch them on the one tv we have

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echosyp:

well, now that i downgraded ubuntu, i get no /dev/videoX

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[R]:

sounds like you got no driver and/or its not set up

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echosyp:

modprobe loads the hdpvr module

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[R]:

if your stuff is working correctly

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[R]:

you don't need to modprobe

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echosyp:

it didn't load

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echosyp:

until i did

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[R]:

then theres somethign seriously wrong with your system

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echosyp:

i just did a fresh install of ubuntu 10.04

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echosyp:

the only thing i have installed are mythtv and its dependencies and pidgin

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[R]:

then plugging in the hdpvr should generate messages in dmesg

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[R]:

and it should load the driver

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[R]:

UNLESS your hdpvr is too new for the driver

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echosyp:

i did just buy them

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echosyp:

problem identified

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[R]:

theres instructions across the mailing lists and what not

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[R]:

on how to update your driver

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echosyp:

nice

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bobgill:

I got error "recorder offline" and now see this in mythtv-setup: http://i.imgur.com/CuGul.png

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[R]:

wow, how'd you manage that?

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bobgill:

?

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[R]:

what did you do to break it?

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wagnerrp:

upgraded his kernel to 2.6.38

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[R]:

oh

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bobgill:

must I downgrade or can it be fixed?

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echosyp:

don't downgrade yet, i did that

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echosyp:

hasn't worked for me so far

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bobgill:

strange because I upgraded the kernel may 15 and this has only occurred today

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echosyp:

just recompiled the driver and still no /dev/videoX

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echosyp:

on a fresh install of ubuntu 10.04, followed these instructions: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR#H . . . lation_Howto to update the hdpvr driver,

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echosyp:

and i get no /dev/videoX

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bobgill:

I have /dev: video0 video1 video24 video25 video32 video33

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bobgill:

suppose I'll try them and see

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bobgill:

well trying to add new capture card I can't add MPEG card in mythtv-setup

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echosyp:

so, now that iv tried just about everything to get these hdpvrs working, what haven't i tried?

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bobgill:

damn no option for my cards, can't see them at all in mythtv-setup

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echosyp:

im still getting no /dev/videoX, here is my dmesg: http://pastebin.ca/2067234

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echosyp:

http://pastebin.ca/2067235, thats lsusb output

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echosyp:

and lsmod for good measure: http://pastebin.ca/2067237

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echosyp:

correct dmesg: http://pastebin.ca/2067238

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echosyp:

wheres the guy that told me downgrading would ensure a working mythtv setup

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wagnerrp:

probably me

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: do you build different packages for 11.04 and 10.10?

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wagnerrp:

is it possible that same V4L patch got applied to the 10.10 0.24 builds as well?

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echosyp:

wagnerrp: you have any ideas i could try, cause it looks like i just broke the hdpvr module trying to compile it

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echosyp:

no compile errors, but it won't load now

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echosyp:

locate cx88-dvb.ko |grep `uname -r` returns nothing

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wagnerrp:

nope, never used an HDPVR

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echosyp:

man, i bought two awesome tv tuners only to have them sit and collect dust

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, so it was 450GB I deleted today

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wagnerrp:

what shows?

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sphery:

don't remember them all.. I think chicago code, detroit 187, My Dad Says, Defenders, and a few others

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wagnerrp:

did defenders get axed?

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sphery:

yeah: http://www.tv.com/whats-renewed-whats-cancele . . . pslot;title;

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wagnerrp:

aww

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sphery:

figured I didn't need to start another legal show, even if it had Jim Belushi, if it was cancelled

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sphery:

plenty of others on

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sphery:

down to 1474 recordings, now

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wagnerrp:

americas next top model will feature winners from the past

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wagnerrp:

if they already won, theyre already a model

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wagnerrp:

what more are they going to win?

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sphery:

heh, good question

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echosyp:

id like to win a working mythtv setup

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wagnerrp:

how is breaking bad still on the air?

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wagnerrp:

nothing against the show, ive never actually watched it

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wagnerrp:

but wasnt the whole premise that he went into meth to make money for his family to survive his terminal cancer?

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echosyp:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

when its terminal, you die

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sphery:

remission?

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wagnerrp:

how is he still alive after four seasons

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echosyp:

oh, well it wasn't terminal

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echosyp:

they nuked it and chemo and he lived

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echosyp:

at least they think its gone

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sphery:

or, as you could say on a commercial, "Remission--and now he's on a mission to sell meth"

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echosyp:

you should really watch that show though, it'll hook you

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echosyp:

cause hes not a bad guy

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echosyp:

but he dug himself into a hole

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wagnerrp:

lots of other stuff i want to watch before i pick up the DVDs

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sphery:

wagnerrp: still trying to decide what to do with Criminal Minds: Suspect Behavior. was cancelled, but I've watched all the Criminal Minds eps, so I don't know what to do

[03:38:09]

echosyp:

you gotta at least give it a chance, a one hour episode

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echosyp:

you'll waste at least an hour not helping me fix my setup, may as well check it out

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wagnerrp:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

NCIS... Would YOU cancel a show that regularly draws 20 million viewers? Neither would CBS.

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wagnerrp:

sphery: im debating whether to just call it quits on Two and a Half Men

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wagnerrp:

or see what kind of a train wreck it is without Sheen

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sphery:

heh, yeah, I may

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sphery:

I was actually starting to hate it the last couple of years

[03:44:26]

sphery:

was just too predictable

[03:44:35]

sphery:

then it got too real

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sphery:

(or reality got too 2 1/2)

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sphery:

looks like this will be a good Secrets of the Dead--about China's Terracotta Warriors

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wagnerrp:

shame theres no mention of venture brothers

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wagnerrp:

too bad about The Good Guys...

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wagnerrp:

that was a great show

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sphery:

yeah, I haven't deleted it, yet

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sphery:

will probably watch it

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wagnerrp:

not a lot of thought, not a lot of intrigue

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wagnerrp:

just a good fun show

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k-man:

with mythnetvision, the mouse cursor always appears in the middle of the video

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k-man:

is there any way to hide it?

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sphery:

k-man: move it so it's not in the middle of your screen--using something like xwarppointer or whatever

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sphery:

declutter might work, too, but I haven't tried that

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k-man:

sphery, ok, thanks

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k-man:

is there some way to make the videos full screen?

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sphery:

only if the site's player gives you the option

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sphery:

and then you'd have to use a mouse to do it

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k-man:

ok

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echosyp:

so i just upgraded to ubuntu 10.10 and i still get no /dev/videox

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hoolio:

wot's supposed to be at /dev/video ?

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hoolio:

i ask only because i have nothing there on my backend

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wagnerrp:

analog capture devices

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echosyp:

ok, im still at it with these f'en hdpvrs

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echosyp:

the driver doesn't have support for my model number

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[R]:

yeah, didnt i tell you you needed and upatedo ne?

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echosyp:

so im trying to figure out how to add the device id before compiling the driver, but i can't find the files i supposedly need to edit

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[R]:

theres tons of insturctions on how to do it

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echosyp:

yeah

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echosyp:

tons eh

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[R]:

keeps coming up every few weeks on the mailing lists

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echosyp:

the things i see, i don't have those files

[05:46:12]

echosyp:

hdpvr.h, hdpvr-core.c, hdpvr-mod.c

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[R]:

what do yo uhave?

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echosyp:

those are supposedly the files i need to add the device id to, but like i said, i don't have those files

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echosyp:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR#H . . . lation_Howto and this is what i was following to recompile the hdpvr driver

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[R]:

you probalyb have thw rong version of the driver

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[R]:

i know everytime i've seen the instructions, its shown whjere to pull it from

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wagnerrp:

stupid stupid bourne shell

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echosyp:

this is futile

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wagnerrp:

i hate you so much

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echosyp:

im done

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[R]:

how does marley matlin know how a guy is "delivering" lines if she can't hear them...

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wagnerrp:

?

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echosyp:

its just a goose chase, hdpvrs don't really work with mythtv, it is as they say "a myth"

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[R]:

wagnerrp: the celebrity aprentice

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[R]:

echosyp: mine works great

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[R]:

echosyp: so does Beirdo's

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wagnerrp:

so does about 25 other people in this channel using them

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[R]:

just because you can't get your kernel to recognize it... doesnt mean it doesnt work with myth

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wagnerrp:

more importantly, if you cant get your kernel to recognize it, its completely outside of myth's control

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echosyp:

iv tried every suggestion anyone in this channel has recommended, nothing has worked

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echosyp:

3 days of time wasted so far

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echosyp:

its bad enough that im even here asking for help, the lack of success on top of it is pretty frustrating

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echosyp:

its basically impossible to get mythtv working with an hdpvr model#4903

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echosyp:

atm

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hoolio:

is it reasonable to expect my sempron 2800 to play x264 video in mythtv?

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hoolio:

last time i tried they were slooow and choppy

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wagnerrp:

cant answer that without more information

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hoolio:

um, they work okay in vlc

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hoolio:

but not myth

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hoolio:

i didn't want to try and use vlc from within myth because the remote keys are different

[06:03:03]

hoolio:

so i just figured it was slow hardware or sommit and gave up, basically

[06:03:13]

wagnerrp:

there are several different generations of 'sempron 2800+'

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wagnerrp:

there are other factors that come into play, video hardware, memory

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wagnerrp:

along with playback profiles in mythtv

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wagnerrp:

and then you have the actually video itself

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hoolio:

default playback profile

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wagnerrp:

saying 'x264' is pretty nebulous

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hoolio:

it's a nvidia fx5200 agp

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hoolio:

old

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hoolio:

1gb ram

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hoolio:

not a new machine by any means

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wagnerrp:

that could range anywhere from something capable of playback on an old Pentium Pro, to something that would bring the fastest Core i7 to its knees

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hoolio:

okies

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hoolio:

you have basically answered my question

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wagnerrp:

what bitrate did you encode these files at?

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hoolio:

good question

[06:05:31]

wagnerrp:

i havent answered anything, since i havent been given enough information to answer

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wagnerrp:

CABAC or CAVLC?

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hoolio:

well, what you have told me is that the performance of x264 is dependent on the bitrate and the hardware

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wagnerrp:

bitrate is a major factor, but not the only one

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hoolio:

gimme a sec and i'll try and determine the bitrate

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wagnerrp:

you dont have the profile stored in the utility you used to compress it?

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hoolio:

reinstalled since then

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Beirdo:

echosyp: so, you are saying you can't get the kernel drivers to work, so therefore it's mythtv's problem?

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wagnerrp:

if its an mkv, you can open the file up in a text editor

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wagnerrp:

the mkv format lines the elementary streams up on byte boundaries

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wagnerrp:

and x264 stores its compression string at the front of the stream

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echosyp:

no, im saying the specific model number of my hdpvr makes it almost impossible to get working with mythtv

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wagnerrp:

so in the first few kb, you should see the compression configuration in plain text

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wagnerrp:

pastebin that

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Beirdo:

echosyp: because of what? still sounds like a kernel driver issue to me

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echosyp:

it is

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Beirdo:

then stop saying it's mythtv

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Beirdo:

the problem you are having is with the kernel drivers

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wagnerrp:

hoolio: ^^^

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echosyp:

did i say that

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echosyp:

no

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echosyp:

i did say they don't work together

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Beirdo:

yes, you are saying that mythtv won't work with something that the kernel isn't even communicating with correctly. That's just silly.

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echosyp:

didn't explicitly blame mythtv though

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echosyp:

how would it work if the kernel won't communicate with it?

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Beirdo:

you gotta get your kernel drivers working.

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echosyp:

this time

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echosyp:

before it was v4l bug

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Beirdo:

saying "it's almost impossible to get working with mythtv" is silly when you mean "almost impossible to get working with linux"

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, yea it would be applied to both 10.10 and 11.04 why?

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Beirdo:

but anyways, there are many people who've got it working.

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echosyp:

well, from what iv read people have apparently gotten them to work fine

[06:13:47]

wagnerrp:

tgm4883: can you get the 2.6.38 kernel on 10.10?

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Beirdo:

correct. As long as you have drivers taht work, and the firmware.

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tgm4883:

you can

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tgm4883:

if you want it, not automatically

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echosyp:

the drivers were fine before i was told downgrading ubuntu would fix the v4l bug

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echosyp:

which then presented the driver issues

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wagnerrp:

well anyway, the question was wrong anyway

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wagnerrp:

i had assumed he was having problems getting it working in mythtv

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wagnerrp:

not that he couldnt get it working in linux period

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echosyp:

i did have it working jesus

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echosyp:

as i just mentioned

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Beirdo:

then why did you break it?

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echosyp:

because i was told the v4l bug could be solved by downgrading ubuntu to an older kernel that had v4l1 support

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echosyp:

which sure, it was

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Beirdo:

I think I'll not be upgrading any time soon. No need to, and every time people do, they break crap

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echosyp:

but now im presented with whole new issues that don't pertain to mythtv cause its a driver issue now

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tgm4883:

I'm not sure I follow

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tgm4883:

but I wasn't here for much of the backlog, so I don't know what the issue is

[06:17:06]

echosyp:

its like when you call your isp and then they tell you its a microsoft problem? you guys familiar with that routine?

[06:17:17]

hoolio:

wagnerrp, http://pastebin.com/XcDLA1qt

[06:17:24]

wagnerrp:

seems he had the HDPVR working in 11.04, but because of mythbuntu's bug, it wouldnt work with mythtv

[06:17:46]

wagnerrp:

so he dropped back to a previous version of mythbuntu, prior to mythbuntu's patch, and now he cant get the HDPVR working in linux

[06:18:02]

echosyp:

when theyve run out of troubleshooting ideas, or they tell you to do something that breaks your system, they brush you off and say its not their problem

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Beirdo:

use 10.04 server edition, compile your own kernel, compile your own mythtv... voila

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echosyp:

more days of compiling

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tgm4883:

how do you not have the HDPVR working in 10.10?

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tgm4883:

it should work out of the box

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echosyp:

model #

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echosyp:

4903

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wagnerrp:

hoolio: so CABAC, 6 slices, and 4.9Mbps

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echosyp:

device id rather

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wagnerrp:

is this the 2GHz Sempron or 1.6GHz Sempron?

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Beirdo:

what, it just doesn't recognize that one ID, and it needs to be added to the driver?

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echosyp:

yes, but i tried compiling via http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR, but taht didn't work

[06:20:13]

echosyp:

and im currently trying to find a different method

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echosyp:

i mean no disrespect, and i understand your point, but surely you can see where im coming from

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wagnerrp:

hoolio: in any case, theyre probably both pretty close to their limit

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wagnerrp:

considering VLC can play it

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: isn't there a way to force a module to claim an unknown id?

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hoolio:

1600MHz

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wagnerrp:

and youre not going to get any hardware acceleration on that graphics card

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hoolio:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

my best guess would be to go into the playback profile, make sure youre running the standard decoder, xv-blit renderer

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wagnerrp:

and off any of the OSD fading

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hoolio:

okies, ta mate

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wagnerrp:

if its interlaced content, turn off the deint filters

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wagnerrp:

use single frame or something

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hoolio:

k

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wagnerrp:

check top, make sure youre not running anything in the background

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wagnerrp:

calling that a 2800+ just seems... wrong

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Beirdo:

I dunno. Should be simple enough to compile a kernel module. Just need the kernel source, and the module source, last I looked

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wagnerrp:

ive got an Athlon 3200+ thats got four times the cache, an extra 400MHz, and an extra memory channel

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echosyp:

thats the only method iv found for compiling the driver from scratch

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hoolio:

innit? probably sold them more of them

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wagnerrp:

comparatively, should be closer to 2400+

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Beirdo:

echosyp: that's how modules are compiled.

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hoolio:

it does playback hd tv ok though

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hoolio:

which i'm pretty happy about

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justinh:

'hd' means a lot of different things

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echosyp:

but its not providing the files i need to edit before compiling

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echosyp:

and idk where to get said files

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hoolio:

mostly 720p afaik, not that i know much about it :)

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Beirdo:

what file(s) in particular?

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echosyp:

im at a loss, cause idk where to go from here

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wagnerrp:

maybe with XvMC enabled

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echosyp:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1590146

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hoolio:

it doesn't freak at any of our "HD" content, put it that way

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wagnerrp:

it would probably struggle with HD ATSC otherwise

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justinh:

what you need to consider above all else when comparing 'hd' with 'hd' is the bitrate. broadcast bitrates are quite low compared to disc formats – and broadcast HD in the USA/Canada is only mpeg2

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echosyp:

hdpvr-mod.c, hdpvr.h, hdpvr-core.c

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wagnerrp:

well, bitrate and entropy compressor

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justinh:

well yeah and that

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echosyp:

which idk how it would compile without those file really, they seem necessary

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wagnerrp:

in H264, CABAC causes a good 35% performance hit over CAVLC

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echosyp:

but what do i know, im asking for help

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hoolio:

from what i can tell from the mythtv sql, the highest bitrate recording on disk is 4800mb / hour

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wagnerrp:

hahaha

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wagnerrp:

theres a Perl shell called Zoidberg

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Beirdo:

echosyp: where are you getting the HDPVR driver source from

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justinh:

hoolio: yes but that's gonna be mpeg2

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justinh:

mpeg2 is way easier to decode than h.264

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echosyp:

Beirdo: well i just followed http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR

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Beirdo:

echosyp: I suggest re-reading that then

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Beirdo:

it's very clear

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Beirdo:

you git clone the drivers

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justinh:

FWIW I'd give up on the puny, power hungry CPU if you want to play modern formats. Power hungry in terms of performance you get per Watt, anyway

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wagnerrp:

4800MB/hr is actually quite low for HD content

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wagnerrp:

standard is 6–8

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wagnerrp:

(GB)

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justinh:

4800 millibits isn't a very high rate :P

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echosyp:

iv honestly never used git before a few days ago, so im not sure what your getting at

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echosyp:

but im obviously missing something

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wagnerrp:

echosyp: ever used any version control system?

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justinh:

echosyp: you clone the git tree for the driver, then make the module from within the downloaded directory

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Beirdo:

read the section entitled "HD-PVR Driver Compilation Howto

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Beirdo:

"

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wagnerrp:

most VCSs, you pull a single changeset of a branch, and work on it

[06:36:44]

wagnerrp:

in git, you clone the whole repository, and work on it

[06:36:44]

justinh:

same as you would for any other module which hasn't yet been brought into the kernel source proper

[06:36:55]

Beirdo:

it brings you through it step by step

[06:36:58]

echosyp:

no i haven't

[06:36:59]

wagnerrp:

same basic concept, just a different way of going about it

[06:37:02]

hoolio:

i guess i should be thankful we don't receive x.264 video transmissions

[06:37:17]

hoolio:

it's all mpeg2 afaik

[06:37:19]

wagnerrp:

hoolio: there is no such thing as 'x.264 video transmissions'

[06:37:26]

justinh:

hoolio: x.264 is the name of the codec, not the format

[06:37:27]

echosyp:

beirdo, i followed that, so idk where i went wrong

[06:37:37]

hoolio:

oh

[06:37:42]

echosyp:

oh

[06:37:43]

wagnerrp:

s/codec/compressor/

[06:37:47]

wagnerrp:

x264 is not even a codec

[06:37:57]

wagnerrp:

codec implies the capacity to decode

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justinh:

it isn't? oh that's nasty

[06:38:10]

justinh:

I didn't know that it could only encode

[06:38:31]

Beirdo:

echosyp: well, I dunno, it's pretty clear steps

[06:38:38]

Beirdo:

how far did you get?

[06:39:31]

echosyp:

i excluded almost everything from the .config before i compiled

[06:39:50]

echosyp:

no errors when compiling, make install ran fine

[06:40:11]

echosyp:

i unloaded the hdpvr module before doing any of that, then reloaded after

[06:40:21]

justinh:

where does it mention about editing the .config file in the howto?

[06:40:23]

Beirdo:

and?

[06:40:30]

Beirdo:

and what .config?

[06:40:44]

justinh:

oh yeah. there. doh

[06:40:55]

justinh:

so it builds modules for *everything* ? :-O

[06:41:12]

echosyp:

yeah, that

[06:41:15]

echosyp:

In addition, changing all lines to "=n" except for CONFIG_VIDEO_HDPVR will greatly speed up compile time.

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Beirdo:

fine

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Beirdo:

and then you installed

[06:41:36]

echosyp:

modinfo still shows the module doesn't support my device id

[06:41:38]

echosyp:

yeah

[06:41:45]

Beirdo:

and then depmod -a?

[06:41:48]

echosyp:

yeah

[06:41:49]

justinh:

what's the deal with that then? I've never had to do that to make out of tree drivers

[06:41:54]

echosyp:

i even rebooted after all that

[06:41:58]

echosyp:

then reloaded the module again

[06:42:19]

Beirdo:

did you reboot into the same kernel you were building modules for?

[06:42:22]

echosyp:

yeah

[06:42:50]

justinh:

what does dmesg say when you load the module(s) ?

[06:43:09]

Beirdo:

cd /lib/modules/`uname -r`

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echosyp:

usbcore: registered new interface driver hdpvr

[06:43:16]

Beirdo:

then find . -name hdpvr.ko

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echosyp:

./kernel/drivers/media/video/hdpvr/hdpvr.ko

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justinh:

wonder how many hdpvr users are using *buntu

[06:43:56]

Beirdo:

OK, just the one

[06:43:59]

Beirdo:

fine

[06:44:15]

Beirdo:

and modinfo hdpvr still doesn't show the new ID?

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echosyp:

nope

[06:44:25]

Beirdo:

you might wanna do an ls -al on that file

[06:44:39]

Beirdo:

find out if it IS the one you compiled (by date)

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echosyp:

oh nast

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justinh:

thankfully it's been a while since I had to build out of tree modules :)

[06:45:34]

echosyp:

2011-04–15 13:05

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Beirdo:

is that when you installed?

[06:45:50]

echosyp:

sure is

[06:46:05]

echosyp:

the last time

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echosyp:

just awhile ago

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Beirdo:

like when you did the sudo make install for the new driver?

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echosyp:

yeah

[06:46:42]

Beirdo:

well I dunno

[06:46:48]

Beirdo:

doesn't seem like it installed

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Beirdo:

as the code you compiled has the new ID

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justinh:

wrong prefix?

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echosyp:

i'll try again

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echosyp:

its ok that i set all that stuff in the .config =n ?

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Beirdo:

and in your compile dir, if you want to make sure...

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echosyp:

yeah?

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Beirdo:

cd linux/drivers/media/video/hdpvr

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Beirdo:

and look in hdpvr-core.c

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Beirdo:

if the table has HD_PVR_PRODUCT_ID4, it should be there

[06:49:06]

echosyp:

nice, there they are

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justinh:

shoulda seen me, I'd been using linux (gentoo) for all of about 2 hours & there I was, trying to patch a kernel... patch -pl < lr6550patch.txt "l is not a number". I'm going "WHAT? I KNOW 'L' is not a number, but that's what it says on the webpage...arghhh!". Took a while to dawn on me

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Beirdo:

heheh

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Beirdo:

so, as long as you put hdpvr to m in the .config... I'd think it should compile it

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echosyp:

i did

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echosyp:

and it does have the device id in there

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Beirdo:

ok

[06:51:40]

Beirdo:

so what's the problem then?

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echosyp:

well, i suppose the problem now would be that ubuntu (not mythtv) is still loading an old module

[06:52:13]

echosyp:

so ima see if i can fix that now

[06:52:24]

justinh:

why would there still be an old module?

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Beirdo:

actually, go to /lib/modules, and do that find again

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Beirdo:

find . -name hdpvr.ko

[06:53:24]

Beirdo:

it should only find one per kernel revision dir, and nowhere else

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echosyp:

yeah, i got two, one for each

[06:53:42]

echosyp:

./2.6.32-31-generic/kernel/drivers/media/video/hdpvr/hdpvr.ko

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echosyp:

./2.6.35-29-generic/kernel/drivers/media/video/hdpvr/hdpvr.ko

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Beirdo:

depmod -a

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Beirdo:

OK, which one are you currently running?

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justinh:

which one has the right modified date, and is it definitely the kernel you're running?

[06:54:09]

Beirdo:

hehe

[06:54:24]

echosyp:

2.6.35–29

[06:54:24]

Beirdo:

we're both on the same wavelength, I think, justinh

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echosyp:

one sec

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Beirdo:

uname -r?

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echosyp:

2.6.35-29-generic

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justinh:

wagnerrp: love the comment about cutting the file into 15MB chunks :D

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Beirdo:

OK, so after a depmod -a, and rmmod hdpvr, modprobe hdpvr... should be using the new file

[06:57:16]

Beirdo:

assuming you checked that it actually installed it

[06:58:08]

justinh:

actually that thread reminds me I've got some archiving to do

[06:58:26]

Beirdo:

wow. my fantasy baseball team just kicked some serious butt this week

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echosyp:

how do i check that it installed it

[06:58:47]

Beirdo:

of course, two complete games in there

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echosyp:

cause it appears it didn't

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Beirdo:

ls -al the file (in /lib/modules) and check that it's today, like a few minutes ago

[07:00:27]

Beirdo:

check in the build dir

[07:00:29]

justinh:

oh btw folks.. I got peeved Family Guy was bumped for Lady Gaga on BBC Three last week. I needn't have been concerned. The new season is crap

[07:01:00]

justinh:

it may be widescreen now but the 1st 2 shows I watched were low on gags

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echosyp:

its not installing it

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justinh:

nothing yelled at you when you make install?

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echosyp:

http://pastebin.ca/2067339

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echosyp:

output of the make install

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echosyp:

http://pastebin.ca/2067342

[07:06:10]

echosyp:

so you can see the .config and that the hdpvr line is =y

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justinh:

if it wasn't =y it wouldn't be built

[07:06:55]

justinh:

oh wait.. shouldn't that be =m ?

[07:07:02]

echosyp:

idk

[07:07:09]

echosyp:

it was already set to y

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justinh:

been a long time since I built a kernel

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Beirdo:

it should be m, I think

[07:07:34]

justinh:

back in the day Y was for building in, M was for modules & N was don't bother

[07:07:38]

echosyp:

well lets try again

[07:07:53]

Beirdo:

that's what make stagingconfig made for me

[07:08:40]

justinh:

it's possible maybe you made too many items =n

[07:09:16]

justinh:

might pay to leave the file as it comes out of stagingconfig & just roll with it.

[07:09:38]

echosyp:

it was taking like 10 minutes to compile all that

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echosyp:

and i was repeating the process several times

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justinh:

install ccache :-)

[07:10:04]

echosyp:

omg i love you guys

[07:10:14]

echosyp:

i have faith this is going to do it

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echosyp:

heh

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echosyp:

[ 7437.023824] hdpvr: Unknown symbol __video_register_device (err 0)

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Beirdo:

did you do depmod -a

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echosyp:

after make, make install, depmod -a, rmmod, modprobe

[07:11:26]

echosyp:

sure did

[07:11:46]

Beirdo:

then you probably disabled something you shouldn't have

[07:11:50]

echosyp:

modinfo shows the device id though

[07:12:04]

echosyp:

i might know what it is

[07:12:23]

echosyp:

but otherwise i'll re-enable it all and try again

[07:12:29]

justinh:

easy assumption to make when a wiki page says "setting loads more to NO will save compile time"

[07:12:42]

justinh:

s/assumption/mistake/

[07:13:03]

Beirdo:

yeah, it doesn't say which ones you need :)

[07:13:08]

justinh:

so I take it that building the whole linux media tree is now necessary thanks to git

[07:13:17]

justinh:

like I need another reason to dislike it

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Beirdo:

huh?

[07:13:29]

Beirdo:

why would it be necessary?

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justinh:

because pulling the whole tree down rather than just the hdpvr files...

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Beirdo:

bleh

[07:14:42]

justinh:

mind, done right it should matter. 10 minutes is coffee time :)

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justinh:

*shouldn't matter

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Beirdo:

exactly

[07:15:06]

Beirdo:

of course, I can't even build the current media tree

[07:15:23]

Beirdo:

as my kernel is too old now, and they changed the USB free/alloc stuff

[07:16:10]

Beirdo:

but what I can do (or try to) is to plunk the current hdpvr files on top of my old build and try again

[07:16:22]

Beirdo:

but I don't really need to as mine works, generally

[07:17:37]

echosyp:

oh, i remember why i set them all =n, cause i kept getting compile errors, and kept doing it one by one, so i get fed up and did them all

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Beirdo:

heh

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echosyp:

too bad idk which ones i need

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echosyp:

cause this is gonna take some time compiling and commenting out which ones error, and assume i don't need those ones

[07:19:06]

justinh:

any top level USB video ones, probably needed

[07:19:23]

Beirdo:

well, you are also on an old kernel.

[07:19:43]

Beirdo:

you may need a newer kernel for some of the stuff to compile

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echosyp:

this is the most recent kernel for ubuntu 10.10, and if i upgrade again i lose v4l, and im back to the original problem

[07:20:47]

echosyp:

short of compiling a kernel myself

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Beirdo:

you know, you don't HAVE to use ubuntu kernels :)

[07:21:04]

echosyp:

im not that patient

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echosyp:

i compiled mythtv from scrach (twice) and it took all night

[07:21:48]

echosyp:

i don't want to compile a kernel

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justinh:

eh? all night?

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justinh:

oh. the 'mighty' Atom

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echosyp:

long enough i went to sleep and when i woke up it was finally done

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justinh:

nah, I made a whole kernel on my first gentoo box in not much time, and it was only 800Mhz Athlon

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Beirdo:

heh

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echosyp:

after a couple hours of watching it

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justinh:

infact building *everything* only took overnight

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justinh:

I still don't miss gentoo, though

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Beirdo:

my backend box is an i7. compiles mythtv (with my ccache cleared, and from distclean) in just over 10min

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Beirdo:

I remember compiling a kernel (1.2.13) on a 386DX40 with 4MB RAM

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Beirdo:

that one took 24h

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Beirdo:

poor thing swapped itself to death

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justinh:

lol

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clever:

lol, ouch

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echosyp:

just a thought, but can you give me any tips about what i don't need to compile here, cause this is quite tedious waiting for it to spit out errors so i know

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justinh:

is the hdpvr the only capture device you need?

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echosyp:

yeah

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justinh:

ruh-ruh. my transcode queue is stuck

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Shadow__X:

hey guys i have a question about -usehdimage on the osx-packager script

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Shadow__X:

everytime i run it with that flag it errors out

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[R]:

so file a bug report

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Shadow__X:

it might be something on my end considering the guys on the sourceforge page do the builds within a container

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Shadow__X:

so i wanted to see if it was on my end first before i did a bug report

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justinh:

kicked the backend over. everything is going now. weird

[07:38:13]

Shadow__X:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/2067353

[07:41:02]

Shadow__X:

i tried to run the command itself that it listed and that worked

[07:41:20]

Shadow__X:

but within the script it gives me an error. i am not sure what i am missing

[07:45:32]

Shadow__X:

ah sorry for the noise when running the command with verbose it throws out create failed -invalid argument

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echosyp:

Beirdo: ok i added everything back in except two things that caused errors during compile, 30 minutes later make finishes without errors,

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Beirdo:

yay

[07:47:51]

echosyp:

i ran make install, depmod -a, and modprobed hdpvr

[07:48:25]

echosyp:

now i get http://pastebin.ca/2067371

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echosyp:

in dmesg

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justinh:

there we go. another 12 episodes of Waybuloo archived :-)

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Beirdo:

rmmod hdpvr v4l2_common videodev

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Beirdo:

and try modprobe hdpvr again

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justinh:

uh. 12 out of one HUNDRED? :-O

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echosyp:

niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice

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Beirdo:

that work better?

[07:52:46]

echosyp:

yeah

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echosyp:

thank you

[07:53:06]

echosyp:

i honestly appreciate your help

[07:53:10]

Beirdo:

no problemo

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echosyp:

maybe now i can help someone in a similar situation so you don't have to

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Beirdo:

a reboot woulda done it too, but basically, you upgraded the drivers, and some that it depended on got reinstalled, but not re-insterted

[07:53:50]

Beirdo:

inserted even

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echosyp:

that got me some /dev/videoX devices

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echosyp:

have a whole new issue now

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echosyp:

http://pastebin.ca/2067382

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echosyp:

i'll worry about that later

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Beirdo:

hmmm, 3TB drive $150...

[08:13:29]

Beirdo:

so... 9TB plus cage... about $500

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Beirdo:

wow

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Beirdo:

anywho... bedtime for me

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aarcane:

Beirdo,

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aarcane:

wait

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aarcane:

how would you arrange 4 3TB drives plus a cage of some sort for $500?

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rileyp:

d like to lock cpu freq in lucid no desktop being used

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rileyp:

on my backend

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justinh:

that

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justinh:

duh

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justinh:

that's a *buntu question, not mythtv

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sid3windr:

I'm glad you understood the sentence, justinh ;/

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justinh:

watching pingu helps ;)

[09:33:10]

justinh:

or as they say in Pulp Fiction... Do they speak English in What?

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rileyp:

great movie pulp fiction

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rileyp:

pingu meh....

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justinh:

s/great/okay/

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justinh:

it's masterpiece compared with the majority of hollywood churnout now

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justinh:

and you do realise that if you turn off cpu frequency scaling you *will* kill more trees & melt the ozone layer, right?

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rileyp:

yep

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justinh:

wooo! Aria.co.uk have "ATI Radeon 6950 2GB – 184.99 inc. VAT". WHY?

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rickchristie1:

hi all can anyone help me t instal a hauppauge pvr-500

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justinh:

nope

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justinh:

not physically anyway. what exactly do you need to know about?

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justinh:

oh this isn't another conversation over IRC via carrier pigeon gateway is it? :-\

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sid3windr:

eheh

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justinh:

maybe the pigeon was blown off course

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pigeon:

maybe

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sid3windr:

lol

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sid3windr:

pigeon is right here!

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justinh:

yup. didn't see that one coming

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sid3windr:

:D

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gizmobay:

I get this error when I do a git pull. Your local changes to 'mythtv/libs/libmythdb/mythversion.h' would be overwritten by merge.

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gizmobay:

Aborting. How do I fix?

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justinh:

delete & re-pull? or just update instead of pull ?

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iamlindoro:

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iamlindoro:

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Seeker`:

is there a way of setting advert flags from an external program? mythcommflags set cut list always seems to skip over the cut parts, whether "notify, don't skip" is selected or not

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justinh:

Seeker`: yes. see the wiki

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justinh:

and a *cut* *list* will always skip over the cuts

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justinh:

they're *cut*

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iamlindoro:

"notify, don't skip" pertains to the skiplist, not the cutlist

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iamlindoro:

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iamlindoro:

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Seeker`:

mythcommflag doesn't have an option of setting a skiplist, does it?

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justinh:

no

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iamlindoro:

commflagging *is* setting a skiplist

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iamlindoro:

the act of commercial flagging sets the skiplist

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iamlindoro:

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justinh:

I think he means when you run it externally

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justinh:

i.e. there's no commandline option to set a skiplist instead of a cutlist

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iamlindoro:

as in, to feed it an external list? Indeed, no, can't do that

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iamlindoro:

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justinh:

Seeker`: there's a script in the wiki which manages to do that. see the silence detection page

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Seeker`:

I have an external program which splits the recording based on silences in the audio

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iamlindoro:

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wagnerrp:

the same one that british guy wrote?

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Seeker`:

but it sets a cutlist. Which isn't what i want because in some cases it fails badly and marks the whole recording as an advert

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justinh:

Seeker`: it was updated

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justinh:

it can do skip lists or cutlists

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iamlindoro:

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wagnerrp:

justinh: which means it does direct database access?

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iamlindoro:

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justinh:

wagnerrp: yup

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justinh:

Seeker`: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythcommflag-wrapper

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wagnerrp:

in bash?

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Seeker`:

just found that, thanks

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iamlindoro:

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wagnerrp:

fun...

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justinh:

not something I generally advocate

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Seeker`:

yeah, but it works ebtter than any other detection method in the UK

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justinh:

so?

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justinh:

we've looked into how to add silence detection into mythtv's commflagger & it's quite simple in theory

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justinh:

'all' that needs to be done before anything else is add the ability for it to get at audio from recordings

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justinh:

then after that, just pinch the silence detection code...

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wagnerrp:

yes, thats 'all'

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wagnerrp:

:)

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wagnerrp:

'in theory'

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justinh:

I need some time

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Seeker`:

I had a look at the code, but its incredibly difficult to actually get any questions about the code answered if you've just started looking at it – you tend to either get silence or an unhelpful sarcastic response

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justinh:

Seeker`: not in here#

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wagnerrp:

Seeker`: many devs read the full backlog of #mythtv

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justinh:

people wanting to help code get a fair bit of help if they have a clue

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wagnerrp:

and if youre legitimately looking at helping code, are glad to assist however needed

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justinh:

stop giving up before you've started :-)

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wagnerrp:

just as your question, someone will likely get back to you in a day or two

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justinh:

at least this makes a change from "I heard all the devs are shouty c***s" like used to go around

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wagnerrp:

the issue is that there are only maybe 2–3 people who have every really done significant work on the commflagger

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wagnerrp:

so you have to wait for one of them to be available

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justinh:

Seeker`: I was given a hint, to look at how mythtranscode deals with audio

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wagnerrp:

WTF?

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justinh:

adding new methods to the flagger itself is quite straightforward

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justinh:

wagnerrp: I mean 'gets at' audio & passes it around

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justinh:

right now mythcommflag only gets the video frames via nuppelplayer. mythtranscode obviously needs audio & video

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Seeker`:

what would be really useful is a good definition of "silence"

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justinh:

why?

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Seeker`:

justinh: because it isn't defined?

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justinh:

the wiki script uses a value of around -70dB

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justinh:

what it needs to be is somewhere below the quietest parts of the programming

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wagnerrp:

or just rewrite the whole thing in python

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justinh:

Seeker`: you could always run through the recordings & find the lowest points :-)

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justinh:

a lot like the old CD players had with 'peak search' :P

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Seeker`:

well, yes. But it would be even nicer if the TV channels had a good definition of what they deemed to be silent.

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justinh:

Seeker`: silence is a gap in the audio

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Seeker`:

Also, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Commercial_detecti . . . ce_Detection reckons that the requirement is for 120ms of silence, yet the script only searches for silence longer than 150ms :/

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justinh:

so?

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justinh:

oh yeah, the new commercial flagger based on silence detection will ideally have to be tuneable

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Seeker`:

justinh: I don't think it is simple as looking at '0' points in the incoming stream.

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justinh:

Seeker`: it isn't, and I never said it was

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justinh:

periods of X milliseconds where the average level does not exceed Y decibels

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Seeker`:

yet you don't think a good definition of what each channel uses as "silent" would be helpful?

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justinh:

that isn't what you said

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justinh:

anyway whatever the channels SAY & what they DO are generally different

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justinh:

so there'd be no point asking them

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justinh:

they also won't be keen to help

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justinh:

you could make the detector find the lowest levels itself, and assume that those are where the gaps are

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justinh:

or study a bunch of UK & non-UK channel recordings & find a good number yourself

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justinh:

put it this way, anything lower than the threshold the detector script uses is very unlikely to be inside programme content

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justinh:

if you're in much doubt, open the audio from a few recordings in a *proper* audio editing program

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Seeker`:

mmm, I'm running with -84dB and 0.12 seconds, and it works better on a lot of channels

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Seeker`:

but dies horribly on Five *

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justinh:

so what's needed is probably a per-channel or an 'auto' setting

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justinh:

I think everybody would much prefer 'auto'. less settings FTW

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justinh:

if we could get some demo material to developers who know the flagger inside out it might even result in them making existing detection methods working better for us

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justinh:

I looked into sending a HDD to the US... oof

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justinh:

not cheap. Maybe if it was a third of the price I wouldn't flinch

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Seeker`:

open up a port on your machine?

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justinh:

with my upload speed? LOL

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wagnerrp:

thats a lot of data to have to send

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wagnerrp:

justinh: a big cheap flash drive?

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wagnerrp:

should be far more rugged, less need of special handling

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justinh:

wagnerrp: derrr never thought of that

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Seeker`:

how many devs would need a copy?

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justinh:

wagnerrp: USB sticks just don't seem to exist in my universe, I use them so rarely

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justinh:

jiffy bag, airmail... cheap :-)

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Seeker`:

and how many recordings would they need?

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wagnerrp:

32GB drives go for $30-$40 on newegg

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wagnerrp:

seeker: a couple samples from a couple channels

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justinh:

I could transcode a bunch down to half res.. that'd be enough for flagging apart from maybe logo detection – but I already know that's almost spot on anyway

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wagnerrp:

justinh: alternatively, theres a debugging mode in the commflagger which dumps a crapflood of analysis data

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justinh:

wagnerrp: the irony here is that stuff from commercial channels isn't very high bitrate anyway :P

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Seeker`:

meh, I could probably get some samples on to my webspace if they wanted them

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justinh:

Seeker`: got >10Mbit upload speed?

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Seeker`:

8Mbit

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justinh:

8mbit up? :-O

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Seeker`:

yus

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justinh:

business ADSL?

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Seeker`:

well, 7.8

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Seeker`:

BT infinity

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Seeker`:

FTTC

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justinh:

ahh.

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justinh:

oh well.. I'm going home. spent long enough at work today as it is

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: youre the most likely to know specifically what data would be needed

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iamlindoro:

Re: [mythtv-users] Playback problem — random short pauses

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iamlindoro:

hahahahah

[15:21:26]

iamlindoro:

In reference to removing all references to sync, fsync, and fdatasync from the file writing class

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iamlindoro:

(a BAD thing, but that's not going to stop people from trying it)

[15:21:44]

iamlindoro:

"my backend is on a UPS so i'm up for trying it."

[15:21:49]

iamlindoro:

WTF is THAT supposed to mean?

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sphery:

Cons: It's a 64-bit UPS, but I don't mind.

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iamlindoro:

heh

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Seeker`:

I EHT WGR my NEE ESG EHT because TLAs are cool

[15:24:18]

iamlindoro:

I can't wait to see the .24 fork that removes the ability of the filewriter to write files

[15:24:48]

iamlindoro:

"solved my playback pause issue entirely. It seems to have uncovered another bug where recordings aren't working. Stupid myth devs."

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sphery:

I'm guessing he means, "my UPS will keep the backend from crashing, so even though the data isn't sync'ed to the file system when power goes out, I won't lose it due to power failure's clearing RAM"

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Seeker`:

iamlindoro: I think you are underestimating the power of magic

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sphery:

though that's not nearly what the sync is about

[15:25:25]

iamlindoro:

sphery: That may be giving way, way too much credit :)

[15:25:38]

sphery:

iamlindoro: FWIW, I /just/ realized what solved my playback pauses problem

[15:25:40]

iamlindoro:

but I admire the mental gymnastics it took to come up with the justification ;)

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sphery:

before my travel last week, the pauses were annoying the heck out of me, so I swapped to ffmpeg decode with VDPAU rendering, and haven't seen a pause since

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iamlindoro:

UNPOSSIBLE

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sphery:

(other than the "at recording start/stop pauses")

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iamlindoro:

;)

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sphery:

Should I post to the list to just use CPU decode and p/o all the fanbois

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iamlindoro:

I do enjoy a good feeding frenzy

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iamlindoro:

It'll be like Shark Week, but everyone is a pudgy sea cucumber

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Seeker`:

I need to get my remote working again. Suddenly stopped a few months ago, haven't got round to it yet

[15:28:27]

sid3windr:

might I recommend new batteries

[15:28:53]

Seeker`:

sid3windr: haha. Its a logitech harmony and works with every other device its meant to :P

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: i thought he got killed by the monarch last season

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: heh, I don't think I get the reference

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sphery:

wagnerrp: venture boys?

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sphery:

iamlindoro: will post it

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, haven't seen that show in a long while

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sphery:

yeah, I haven't gotten past S1, yet

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wagnerrp:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eICyqjtsizo

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Seeker`:

iamlindoro: I was having random short pauses last night, which seemed to be related to when commflagging was run

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hashbang:

Seeker`: I'm "the British guy" that cobbled together http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythcommflag-wrapper

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seeker:

hashbang: Hallo :)

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wagnerrp:

hashbang: the mysql.txt file was designed intentionally so that when using bash, you just '. mysql.txt'

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wagnerrp:

then you use the DBUserName/DBHostName/DBPassword/DBName variables directly

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seeker:

hashbang: You tried playing with mp3splt settings?

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hashbang:

wagnerrp: OK, that's cute, but I don't think parsing it causes any problems.

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wagnerrp:

no, its just completely unnecessary

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hashbang:

seeker: nope. You said -84dB/0.12s works better than -70dB/0.15s?

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wagnerrp:

no matter...

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hashbang:

seeker: if so, add it to the wiki page so others can experiment with it

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seeker:

hashbang: Tis perfect on C4 Simpsons, good on E4 friends/ how I met your mother, glee on E4 leaves the "sponsored by" message in

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seeker:

And it either works perfectly or fails miserably on malcom in the middle on FIVE*

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sphery:

iamlindoro: there, let the hate mails come my way

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seeker:

hashbang: Any programs that your settings that give you problems?

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Minimally, it will be "I am using an ION, I *can't* use software decode. FIX IT!"

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sphery:

heh, yes, because /that/ is our fault

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sphery:

we forced users to buy ion boxes--when we told everyone just what a wonderful cpu the atom is

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kormoc:

sphery, I thought this was opposite channel!

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sphery:

Welcome to the bizarro MythTV user-to-user support channel

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tgm4883:

iamlindoro, so it won't work on my Via C3?

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Seeker`:

hashbang: if there are any programs that fail (or aren't quite right) with your settings, I'd be willing to give them a test with mine

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iamlindoro:

tgm4883: If it doesn't, I'm sure it's nothing a few dozen tickets and loud complaining on the users list won't fix right up

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tgm4883:

heh

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: sorry, your C3 is missing the needed necessary CPU calls to install the nvidia drivers

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kormoc:

Well, if I own it, that means trillions of other mythtv users have the same issue!

[15:56:03]

sphery:

I'm trying to get it working on my Cyrix 5x86

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tgm4883:

I'll just run it on my Pentium then. It has MMX technology

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Woo hoo, called it, in the first response, even!

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sphery:

nice

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tgm4883:

you sir, deserve an award

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sphery:

iamlindoro, The Seer

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sphery:

iamlindoro: so whose back do you draw tatoos on for your power?

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hashbang:

Seeker`: the only ones I remember were some films from ITV

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seeker:

hashbang: Tried five*?

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sid3windr:

you scared it off!

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seeker:

:O

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Heh, you assume I watched all the way through that season... I had been totally turned off to it by then

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sphery:

heh, yeah, that was one show that needed cancelling by the time it got cancelled--or possibly a couple years earlier.

[16:21:52]

sphery:

had a lot of potential, but never delivered

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sphery:

knightr: heh, so true! (that atom-related reply on list :)

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knightr:

sphery, I just found it so funny that, of all people, he would ask you about that... :-)

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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knightr:

splery, I hope you didn't mind... :)

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sphery:

not at all

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sphery:

truth is a valid defense for slander

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sphery:

er, libel

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sphery:

always confuse the 2

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knightr:

sphery, lol :) hmm, I would have to ask my brother, he is the lawyer, not me... :)

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sphery:

(and, in reality, I don't consider being called an atom-hater defamation, so no need for a defense :)(

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knightr:

(he is also a real translator too... :) )

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sphery:

nice

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sphery:

is he helping with mythtv, too?

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sphery:

or other stuff?

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knightr:

sphery, lol :) not sure what Intel would have to say about it...

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knightr:

sphery, no, he did give me some good sites I could use. and I do ask him a question once in a while...

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knightr:

s/a question/some questions/

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sphery:

cool

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sphery:

since you've probably got the same languages covered that he would help with, anyway, I'm sure we're covered

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sphery:

just wondered, though--I haven't noticed any real sibling teams in MythTV, yet

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knightr:

depends, I'm trying to learn another one...

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sphery:

speaking of teams... still have to get people to volunteer to help with the theme teams stuff

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knightr:

I don't think there are any...

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sphery:

might do some more of the coordination stuff (with theme authors) that needs doing

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sphery:

and I might have to start the default theme--and make something so horrible that people just /have/ to step up to do it right

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knightr:

sphery, to do what exactly? work on themes or something else?

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knightr:

lol :-)

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sphery:

yeah, work on themes

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knightr:

I'll try to look at them when I have time but I have just been so busy at work...

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sphery:

yeah, not saying you need to help

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sphery:

just saying my plan to get some people who haven't, yet, but want to contribute, involved with MythTV hasn't really worked

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knightr:

np, I wanted to look at them before you mentionned them anyway...

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knightr:

btw, it doesn't show with the work I do in MythTV but I am a programmer...

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knightr:

but MythTV is not written in a language I am fully familiar with...

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knightr:

(unless you want to convert it to assembly language? :) :) )

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knightr:

(or even worse, J*v*... :) :) :) )

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knightr:

sphery, ^

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sphery:

knightr: Heh, I'm a big fan of Java, so I know what you mean. I know Java much better than C/C++, but I'll admit that it's not ideal for some projects (including, IMHO, client-side FOSS programs). It makes a lot more sense for enterprise in-house development than for client-side (especially FOSS) stuff.

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wagnerrp:

sphery: what do you think would happen if i told darknovanick to run wires?

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sphery:

This is why I only do Java for my clients and only do C/C++ for FOSS projects (and my resume doesn't even mention C/C++ :).

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, you can't run wires... you can only have cable outlets where "they" put them

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wagnerrp:

wrong thread

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sphery:

oh, looking

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sphery:

ah, some powerline or wifi thing

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sphery:

wifi...

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wagnerrp:

yeah, complaining that mythproto is inefficient

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

is it really the user's responsibility to have a sensible configuration for what they're asking MythTV to do?

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sphery:

Isn't it really our responsibility to support even poorly designed configurations

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sphery:

after all, wireless is the future!

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seeker:

iamlindoro: Previously you said that bluray startup was slow because of the file access

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seeker:

Code being slow, whereabouts can I find that code?

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knightr:

sphery, yep... it wouldn't be very suited to do something like MythTV, I know... I'll have to learn more about C/C++ to try to be able to contribute (more, I did send some very small patches in the past) actual code...

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Beirdo:

Oh how wonderful

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Beirdo:

the last batch of 0-byte recordings... were not from my HD-PVR, but rather, from the HVR2250 (analog side)

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Beirdo:

let's try with a re-loaded driver

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Beirdo:

thing's been running 208 days

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Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

wagnerrp: you're long-awaited fast-release firefox program is now in effect... FF5 beta is out: http://blog.mozilla.com/futurereleases/2011/05/20/firefoxbeta/

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sphery:

s/you're/your/

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wagnerrp:

heh... i really dont understand why they went to that

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wagnerrp:

except for advertising/pr

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sphery:

well, when you compete with Google's "new release every 6 weeks" Chrome...

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sphery:

after all, FF is only on version 4 and Chrome is, what, 12 or so?

[17:45:03]

sphery:

and everyone knows how important version number is

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wagnerrp:

something like that

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wagnerrp:

chrome must be three times better

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sphery:

exactly

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wagnerrp:

of course apple has been on version 10 for over a decade now

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sphery:

heh, well, Apple brand > any version number

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sphery:

which is why Apple was able to ink a deal with 3 of 4 major music studios for their cloud music service and Google and Amazon were unable to (and Amazon is currently being sued and Google will likely soon be added to the suit)

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wagnerrp:

but amazon doesnt have a cloud music streaming service

[17:48:10]

wagnerrp:

they have a cloud file access service

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wagnerrp:

what you access over it is your own business

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wagnerrp:

that whole lawsuit is ridiculous

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sphery:

right, but apple can actually sell music for people to add to their lockers

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sphery:

and the RIAA wants to stop the others since the RIAA doesn't control how it works

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sphery:

So, all these people wondering why the rapture didn't occur yesterday obviously haven't been keeping current with Supernatural. If they had, they'd know the Winchester brothers stopped the Apocolypse.

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wagnerrp:

the radio show in question has silently changed their website to a more normal one, with no mention of the failed rapture

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sphery:

yeah, I'm sure after a reasonable "cooling off" period, they'll come out with another statement mentioning a mathematical error or historical date issue that meant they were off (just like they did in 1994)

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wagnerrp:

have you see the calculation that he used to determine the date?

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sphery:

no, didn't look at it

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highzeth:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/ . . . xzz1NB3K6PHr he was flabbergasted

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sphery:

was trying to figure out where to spend my life savings, instead

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sphery:

good thing I'm indecisive

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sphery:

other than the missing earthquakes/devastation, one could just assume that everyone in the world is so evil that no one was raptured

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wagnerrp:

sphery: basically, youve got 5 signifies redemption (i dont understand how), 10 signifies completeness (dirty basists, claiming base 10 is better than all else), and 17 signifies heaven (dont understand that one either)

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wagnerrp:

multiply these together, and then square that, and you get 722500 days

[18:04:28]

wagnerrp:

the number of days since easter 33AD

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sphery:

or maybe--rather than the 6-months of torment this guy projected (with the end of the world in Nov)--the period of torment is really much more prolonged (like the millenium of torment that's often mentioned), and so we'll just have more earthquakes and disasters like the recent ones and we all did miss the train

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wagnerrp:

so all you have to do is say you chose the wrong arbitrary numbers, and try again

[18:05:18]

wagnerrp:

its like brute force decruption

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, wow... that's an interesting approach

[18:05:59]

wagnerrp:

its not even good decryption

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wagnerrp:

those are pretty small primes

[18:06:11]

sphery:

I think Graham Hancock makes some more convincing numerological arguments about things like encoding of messages in the designs of the pyramids and ancient monuments and the face on Mars and ...

[18:06:30]

wagnerrp:

the face on mars?

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sphery:

Believe it or not Isaac Newton actually calculated that the Apocalypse couldn't happen any earlier than 2060

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sphery:

so we've got plenty of time

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wagnerrp:

oh, you mean that mountain range that at the time of the photograph, just happened to cast a shadow that vaguely looked like a face?

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sphery:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

and subsequent SAR scans have shown the topography to be nothing of the sort?

[18:07:43]

sphery:

Graham Hancock writes some books--which I love to read--which have all sorts of messed up numerology and such to support crazy claims

[18:07:57]

sphery:

http://www.grahamhancock.com/

[18:08:19]

sphery:

they're my guilty pleasure

[18:08:45]

sphery:

(but I'm of the opinion that hearing an idea--even if it's wrong or contradicts my beliefs--is a good thing, not a bad thing)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Job_queue_idle.py ... comments/thoughts? Also, what do you recommend for signalling idle/non-idle? exit status? stdout? other?

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sphery:

(whenever you get a chance to look)

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wylie:

anyone using mythtv python bindings w/ trunk on ubuntu 11.04?

[19:08:41]

wagnerrp:

nope, but i could probably help

[19:09:16]

wylie:

so i recently revamped all my config and I am getting MythTV.exceptions.MythError: No viable database module found, with for example, find_orphans (which I think you wrote)

[19:09:58]

wylie:

i suspect it is related to python on 11.04, but i'm not great at python so my debug skill leaves quite a bit to be desired

[19:10:13]

wagnerrp:

that means you dont have the python MySQLdb module installed

[19:10:26]

wagnerrp:

lacking such, the python bindings should have refused to install themselves in the first place

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wylie:

http://pastebin.com/wXFXj1Nv — k, let me take a look

[19:10:35]

wylie:

pretty sure i have it

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wylie:

aye, python-mysqldb is already the newest version.

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pyther24:

anyone own a HVR-1250? Does the analog work in myth?

[19:11:31]

wagnerrp:

sphery: return the number of jobs in the queue

[19:11:53]

wagnerrp:

if no jobs are in the queue, it will return success, which will indicate idleness and allow shutdown

[19:12:05]

wagnerrp:

if jobs are in the queue, it will return an error, indicating it cannot be shut down

[19:12:35]

wylie:

from configure "bindings_python yes"

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wagnerrp:

pyther24: the 1250 does not have analog support in linux, and you would not want to use it in mythtv anyway

[19:13:12]

pyther24:

wagnerrp: no hardware decoder?

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wagnerrp:

wylie: open python, and run 'import MySQLdb'

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iamlindoro:

s/dec/enc/

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wagnerrp:

^^^

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wylie:

aye, success

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wylie:

>>> import MySQLdb

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wylie:

>>>

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wagnerrp:

what about MySQLdb.version_info

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pyther24:

wagnerrp: how about the pvr-350?

[19:15:22]

justinh:

Seeker`: tried any of the other methods on Five* ?

[19:15:34]

wagnerrp:

i dont know why you would want to buy one over a PVR-150

[19:15:47]

justinh:

IME logo detection works really well when the logo is visible enough & is taken away for breaks :-)

[19:16:09]

wylie:

wagnerrp: (1, 2, 2, 'final', 0)

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justinh:

pyther24: pvr350 is really dead to mythtv now. All it'd be good for is input. No output support anymore

[19:16:42]

pyther24:

wagnerrp: I don't want to spend more than $20 on one, and someone is selling a pvr-350 for $10

[19:17:04]

pyther24:

I'm not sure how long we'll keep analog cable, so I don't want to invest a lot of money into this

[19:17:28]

pyther24:

justinh: all I need to do is capture Analog stuff

[19:17:30]

justinh:

you don't want to spend more than $20 on a tuner card you might have to rely on for a while?

[19:17:42]

justinh:

and how much storage are you planning on having?

[19:18:01]

wagnerrp:

a PVR-350 will be several years older than any PVR-150 you might come across

[19:18:13]

wagnerrp:

and offer nothing in advantage over it

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pyther24:

ahh

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pyther24:

justinh: I got OTA channels (ATSC) so this would just be for cable

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wagnerrp:

wylie: that is correct behavior

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justinh:

heh. I used to capture cable via analogue too. til I figured I could live without Mythbusters

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wagnerrp:

there were changes in the python database API between 2.6 and 2.7

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pyther24:

justinh: haha, my dad wanted it

[19:19:35]

wagnerrp:

that prevented MySQLdb from functioning on python 2.7

[19:19:46]

justinh:

my wife wants sports channels but I keep saying no :D

[19:19:47]

pyther24:

as a result I can reap the benefits, I don't really need it, we haven't had it for 12+ years

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wagnerrp:

the 1.2.3 release of MySQLdb was to correct this, and allow it to work with 2.7

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wagnerrp:

you need to update to 1.2.3

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wylie:

wagnerrp: ah, thank you

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pyther24:

wolud you guys say $25-$30 is a god price for a PVR-150?

[19:20:31]

wagnerrp:

thats about the most i would pay for a 150

[19:20:32]

justinh:

heh I sold mine for more than I paid for it

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sphery:

wagnerrp: cool, sounds like a plan (and a quick change). Thanks for the input. (Also, in perl's getopt code, you can set up verbose so that -v gives you a 1 and -v -v or -vv gives you a 2... does python have similar?)

[19:20:40]

wagnerrp:

$20 is more par

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wagnerrp:

sphery: still reading through it

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sphery:

I couldn't figure it out, so I just made --verbose 1

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sphery:

or --verbose 2

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justinh:

pyther24: one in the UK for £13.99 here :-)

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wagnerrp:

pretty sure OptionParser doesnt have any such capability

[19:21:36]

justinh:

pyther24: and that's the buy it now price

[19:22:16]

justinh:

whoah what's with all the hauppauge stuff 'from China' ?

[19:22:18]

pyther24:

justinh: there is a buy it now for $11 Euro + shipping, so about $17 Euro all together (or $25 USD)

[19:22:32]

justinh:

that's a price worth paying

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sphery:

OK, that's what I thought. I'll just do it as I did

[19:22:53]

justinh:

they're good little tuner cards – well maybe the tuner ain't but the capture over svid/composite is nice

[19:22:54]

wagnerrp:

sphery: the MythDB.search...() commands are for doing actual searching

[19:23:10]

wagnerrp:

if you just want to grab all, Job.getAllEntries() is more efficient

[19:23:15]

justinh:

I can't speak for how well the pvr150 tuner works. I never used it, not even for testing

[19:23:23]

wagnerrp:

can be used as a drop in replacement

[19:23:32]

pyther24:

I think I'll buy that, I could wait and gamble on an the auction, but probably not worth it

[19:23:38]

sphery:

ah, cool

[19:23:50]

sphery:

I got a bit lost in the plethora of capability

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sphery:

:)

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sphery:

it's so much different from the perl bindings

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wagnerrp:

you may want to do Job.getAllEntries(db=DB) so it doesnt have to re-read the config.xml

[19:24:08]

sphery:

(meaning it's capable and complete :)

[19:24:24]

wagnerrp:

yeah, plus theres the whole issue of partial documentation

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pyther24:

Woot, I'm a proud owner of a PVR-150!

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pyther24:

wagnerrp: thanks for the help

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sphery:

yeah, jobs = list(Job.getAllEntries(db=DB)) seems much faster

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justinh:

pyther24: don't forget to not use the tuner. Use composite or svideo if possible

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pyther24:

justinh: I just have analog cable :P

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pyther24:

so I have to use the tuner

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justinh:

oh no STB? Ouch

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i have an even better, and wholly undocumented approach

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wagnerrp:

give me a minute, i have to look up how to pull it off each time

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pyther24:

justinh: no, digital cable is like $65 + $8 a converter box

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pyther24:

down the road we might go digital

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pyther24:

but we have to see if we like the programming and if it is worth the cost, and what better way then analog

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justinh:

over here even analogue cable needed a box

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pyther24:

ahh, not here

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wagnerrp:

sphery: MythDB().searchJobs(custom=(('!(status & %s)', Job.DONE),))

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wagnerrp:

that returns all jobs not marked as finished

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sphery:

that's cool... I may leave it as is for now--since the verbose logging shows info about all the jobs in there.

[19:33:20]

sphery:

I updated it with the other changes, though

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wagnerrp:

sphery: MythDB().searchJobs(custom=(('!(status & %s)', Job.DONE),('!(hostname != %s)',currenthost))) will return all jobs not compete, and not marked for run on a different host

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wylie:

wagnerrp: thanks again re: (1, 2, 3, 'final', 0)

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wylie:

(resolved)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, so it could do it all with a search

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wagnerrp:

wylie: for a while there, i had outright refused to run on 2.7

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wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah, then just do 'try:\n res.next()\n sys.exit(1)\nexcept:\n sys.exit(0)

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wagnerrp:

res would be the output of the query

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wagnerrp:

its an iterator, so you wrap next() in a try block

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wagnerrp:

if you succeed, then there was at least one response to the query and the jobqueue cannot terminate

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wagnerrp:

if next() fails, then there were no results, and it can be terminated

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pladijs:

wagnerrp: just wanted to let you know the solution you suggested with two screens running on a single X (to drive my setup with a monitor and projector) works like a charm. really nice

[19:39:49]

wagnerrp:

well, except for the fact you cannot dynamically scale mythfrontend

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pladijs:

i have a button on the desktop-screen showing on my standard monitor which launches the FE on the other screen, with the geometry option. why would "scaling dynamically' would be important?

[19:41:45]

pladijs:

with "the other screen" i mean the projector, which I only turn on sporadically

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wagnerrp:

so you could keep the same frontend instance, rather than losing your place

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pladijs:

I see. well i guess i can easily live with that.

[19:43:38]

pladijs:

I had another problem with the last frame of a movie freezing on exit, when using opengl. Not knowing what to do next I changed to the open source drivers, replacing the proprietary catalyst one. now it works fine.

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wagnerrp:

the open source ones even do opengl?

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pladijs:

well i have opengl in the options... maybe myth uses something else under the hood. how can i check this? In any case: the result is fine. with the proprietary drivers i could only get rid of tearing using opengl. with the open source drivers and opengl in the settings, i don't have tearing.

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wylie:

wagnerrp: so a more directly find_orphans.py question. it is detecting recordsings with missing files where the files are not missing. in the specific case, the default recording location has 3 entries (for 3 different drives).... is that the problem? 3 recording locations on the specific slave-backend?

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pladijs:

But i guess they do opengl

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sphery:

look for: 2011-05–23 14:44:57.608 Using the Qt painter

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sphery:

in frontend log

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sphery:

(or OpenGL painter)

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wylie:

(all are also nfs mapped to the master backend where find_orphan is being run)

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wagnerrp:

wylie: find_orphans does not operate on the local filesystem at all

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wagnerrp:

all calls are done over mythproto

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wagnerrp:

so its getting a list of storage groups on that host

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wagnerrp:

and then building a tree of files on that host

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wagnerrp:

it then goes through the list of recordings, removing matching pairs, as well as any corresponding snapshots

[19:48:39]

wagnerrp:

whatever files are left are filtered, and marked as orphaned recordings, orphaned snapshots, database backups, or other

[19:48:55]

wagnerrp:

whatever recordings are left are marked as orphaned database entries

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pladijs:

sphery: thanks, its the opengl painter allright.

[19:49:34]

wylie:

hmmmm.... http://pastebin.com/SrHU8u6W

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wagnerrp:

now that i think about it, if you have a slave backend that records to a shared location on the master, that could result in false positives

[19:49:55]

wagnerrp:

its been a while since i wrote that, and i dont remember if i took that into account when doing so

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wylie:

ok, i'll try some things... wish my python foo was better and i'd just pay attention to the code

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wylie:

though, the slave backend is recording to its local disks — all slave backends (in my config) only record to their local disk

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wylie:

i just happen to also have all slave backend storage locations also mounted to the master

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wylie:

(same behavior when unmounting all the slaves storage locations from master — still running orphan finder at master)

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Seeker`:

justinh: yeah, some of the other methods works better

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justinh:

Seeker`: I dunno if any one method will ever catch everything

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justinh:

<3 my 4 min skip+ button :D

[20:02:59]

Seeker`:

any idea how mythcommflag chooses which methods results to use?

[20:03:10]

justinh:

only seems to be recordings from retard channels like Five* that don't have predictable breaks

[20:03:30]

justinh:

Five*, ITV2, ITV3, ITV4, Five, E4 ...

[20:04:06]

Seeker`:

E4 is pretty good I find with the silence detector

[20:04:16]

justinh:

it doesn't. mythcommflag just uses the methods available to it via the settings AFAIK

[20:04:37]

Seeker`:

justinh: well, if you say "use all methods", it will get a result for each method

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Seeker`:

how does it know which of those to use

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justinh:

oh yeah

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justinh:

probably by something else

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iamlindoro:

All methods means all methods, not one of all methods

[20:05:21]

iamlindoro:

It'll use the intersections

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justinh:

ah that makes lots of sense

[20:06:20]

justinh:

so if they don't line up – maybe as they might not over here, then the breaks aren't detected

[20:06:50]

justinh:

been a while since I actually looked at a commercial recording in detail

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pladijs:

I have two issues left, any suggestions most welcome: in mythmusic, when 1/ searching and selecting a song using the search function "f" and 2/ immediately searching again and choosing "add all from current album" crashes the frontend. Thing is, if you first start playing the found song in between steps 1/ and 2/ everything runs as expected

[20:07:25]

Seeker`:

so "all" only actually works when every method detects all of the adverts?

[20:07:39]

iamlindoro:

no

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Seeker`:

isn't that what the intersections means?

[20:09:04]

justinh:

maybe some kind of weighting then

[20:09:07]

justinh:

fuzzy, like

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Seeker`:

or did you mean the union?

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pladijs:

The second "issue" i have is garbled audio from my usb nos dac. This non-oversampling dac runs at 44.1khz IIUC. But if i *disable* "upscale audio output to 48khz" i get garbled output, counterintuitively (at least to me).

[20:10:46]

iamlindoro:

The flagging is a mask. By using all the methods and having a mask for each, you can weight particular segments as being more or less likely to be commercials than others where one method fails

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justinh:

Seeker`: gonna tek a peek at one of tonight's coronation sts

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Seeker`:

justinh: I don't have that recorded :P

[20:14:39]

justinh:

fastest way to get a commercial recording

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Seeker`:

Glee is recording atm

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Seeker`:

I've hacked in a basic "change mp3splt settings based on channel" to the bash script

[20:17:49]

Seeker`:

going to see how the 5* recordings do with higher sensitivity

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justinh:

I reckon any method implemented in code would have to autodetect

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justinh:

trying to get more settings past the devs would be near impossible

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Seeker`:

I don't think that is easy to work out

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Seeker`:

how do you tell the difference between advert silence and "someone not talking" silence

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justinh:

lowest average audio level

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justinh:

because guess what – gaps in programming are *much* more quiet than 'silent' parts of shows

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justinh:

and I doubt anybody will ever be able to rid us of the bumpers on either end of the breaks. they're usually hard cuts

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justinh:

no blank frames

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justinh:

-33dB audio section too, ouch

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Seeker`:

this analysing the recording?

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justinh:

yes, by hand

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justinh:

so the bumper section might just be un-get-rid-of-able

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justinh:

silences between ads are about -81dB in this show

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Seeker`:

hmm, I wouldn't catch them then

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justinh:

yes you would because the threshold of non-silence is 70dB by default

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Seeker`:

I've changed the settings :)

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justinh:

so anything lower – i.e. bigger in number, would be quieter and would qualify

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justinh:

i.e. -80dB is lower than -70dB :)

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Seeker`:

I've got -84 atm

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justinh:

holy crap some of the silences are actually like digital zero :-O

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Seeker`:

what are you using to analyse it?

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Seeker`:

and do the digial zero ones coincide with adverts?

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justinh:

oh wait no I was looking at the meter

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justinh:

now I've looped a section & the peaks are at -77dB :)

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justinh:

ha! actual -Inf ... digital zero here!

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Seeker`:

but which silences coincide with ad breaks?

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justinh:

they don't

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justinh:

you could only ever do 'level below threshold X'

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justinh:

oh wait... could be wrong here, but the post break, pre-bumper silence is digital zero here

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Seeker`:

the theory behind the sound advert detection is that there is a silence of at least 120ms between the program and the advert, and hoping that there isn't a silence "that" quiet during the program

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Seeker`:

the questions that need answering are: what is the lowest level during the actual program and how low are the silences that seperate the show from the ad break

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justinh:

digital zero for one whole second!

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justinh:

Seeker`: it's about that and the gaps between the silences

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Seeker`:

not really

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sphery:

so is someone finally making that mp3 splitter hack into a proper flagger method?

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Seeker`:

sphery: mebbe :P

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sphery:

i.e. writing the code for in mythtv rather than running external stuff?

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sphery:

cool... Capt M posted some info on what needs doing to add audio support to the flagger

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sphery:

was on one of the lists a couple years back

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Seeker`:

justinh: you just need to find a level for a given channel where the cutoff is louder than the advert silence and quieter than the quietest thing in the content you want to keep

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justinh:

Seeker`: the concept is already proven

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justinh:

bah no digital zeros before the ad break

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justinh:

back to -70dB ish

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Seeker`:

justinh: if it isn't always digital zero, there needs to be some data to use to try and work out what the two values are, so we can look for patterns or sensible auto values we can pick up

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: finally getting around to putting together a build slave

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Beirdo:

:)

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wagnerrp:

ive got the jail environment all put together, just testing building to make sure i have all the pre-reqs i need

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wagnerrp:

hopefully, i can have one running tonight

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Beirdo:

cool

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Seeker`:

justinh: what are you using to analyse it?

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justinh:

Seeker`: Sony Vegas :-)

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Beirdo:

/wi/win 15

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Beirdo:

urg

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justinh:

Seeker`: how well any silence detection works will always depend on the broadcaster & how funkily they treat levels

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justinh:

I dunno why there's even -70dB periods.. technically in an all-digital chain they should be lower

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Seeker`:

because it would be too easy to pick out the adverts? :P

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justinh:

I doubt that

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Seeker`:

if you can't tell what the broadcasters are doing, you need to be able to work out the lowest level in content you want to keep. I'm not sure there is a way of doing that, as the computer can't tell the difference between one silence or another

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justinh:

Seeker`: spaces in dialogue should in theory be much higher levels than gaps between spots

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Seeker`:

what about gaps between scenes?

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justinh:

sigh

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justinh:

if they look like ad break durations they'll be detected as such

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justinh:

nothing in the world anybody can do about that

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Seeker`:

I've got a recording of 300 which cut literally every other scene, because the sound level between each scene dropped below the -84dB I was using

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justinh:

no commercial detection method will ever be infallible

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justinh:

I mean, I was the person who added to the wiki that I'd noticed something in *some* subtitles before & after ad breaks

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justinh:

a breakthrough, I thought.. except it's not always the case

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Seeker`:

mmm, but there does actually seem to be a silence of some sort before and after each advert break in the UK. I'm not convinced that it is possible to autodetect them, but I am pretty sure that you can work out a good value per-channel, or per group of channels

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justinh:

it'll depend on the programming

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justinh:

anybody can cut something to make a 3 minute block made of 30 second stabs with 150mS of quiet in between

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justinh:

and this 'silence' is actually as it turns out, nothing more than a period of 'quiet'

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Seeker`:

yes, but the broadcasters play with it and drag levels up/down to fit with their own whim, and there does seem to be a period of being even quieter between content and ads. I just don't think that a computer can automatically pick out these levels

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justinh:

but the script works a hell of a lot of the time

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Seeker`:

yes, on certain channels

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justinh:

it seems to do at least as well as other methods

[20:55:36]

Seeker`:

to make it better, you need to give it some information about the channel

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justinh:

so that just means this method isn't workable on those channels

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justinh:

but having a per-channel or per-group setting is going to be a PITA

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Seeker`:

but it would work

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Captain_Murdoch:

this is why the current flagger also takes into account the size of the 'blocks' it detects. two blank frames 10 seconds apart are not likely a commercial, but two blank frames 30 or 60 seconds apart just might be. that all factors into the weight that each block is given.

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justinh:

you'll never get that into the code

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justinh:

we need less settings, not more :-)

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Captain_Murdoch:

we already have per-channel method. channel.commethod in the DB.

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justinh:

Captain_Murdoch: that's about what the silence detection script is looking for

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sphery:

Seeker`: also, there was a post years ago on the -users list that said that a true 0 value audio occurred only between commercials and even silent sections of programs had non-zero values

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justinh:

sphery: not the case in the recording I'm looking at here

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sphery:

which one is wrong?

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Seeker`:

sphery: from justinh's analysis just now, there were ad-content borders that weren't true zero

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sphery:

the intra-commercial audio doesn't hit 0 or the program does

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justinh:

I'm not actually all that surprised there's noise between ads, being that it's ITV, not known for the tech-know-how

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sphery:

so, what I said is likely still true

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justinh:

sphery: sometimes the intra-commercial, or intra-show audio hits zero

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sphery:

I didn't say that all ads will have true 0 between them

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sphery:

only that true 0 will only occur between ads

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sphery:

and never in show

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justinh:

ah yeah

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justinh:

well not here in this recording

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Seeker`:

justinh: there is a true 0 mid show?

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sphery:

yeah, that's unfortunate--means we can't use that as a true identifier

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sphery:

will need some fuzzy with it, too

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sphery:

Seeker`: I think he meant in between different shows (or parts of show)

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justinh:

Seeker`: like in the show itself? wouldn't expect there to be

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justinh:

there's likely to be some noise somewhere

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justinh:

digital 0 is a total absence of signal :)

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Seeker`:

justinh: so what he said was true. A true 0 means that it _has_ to be an advert break

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justinh:

it can't be, cos there ain't digital 0 between ads

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justinh:

and there isn't always a digital 0 before or after the break

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Seeker`:

there isn't _always_ a true 0 between the ads and the content

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Seeker`:

but if you find one it _is_ an ad breeak

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justinh:

yes but when did it start/end ?

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justinh:

there's no other digital 0 on the other side, necessarily

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justinh:

so you can't use digital 0

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Seeker`:

sphery: the problem is you need to find a per-channel level which is between the "ad start/end" silence and the "lowest in content" level to split at

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justinh:

-70, -80, -68 ..

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justinh:

last 3 ads I looked at

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justinh:

yeesh.. 8 ads in one break so far

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justinh:

nine!

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justinh:

no blank frames at all

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justinh:

hard cuts, every last one of em

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justinh:

ah so *maybe* scene change detection and silence detection would work better

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justinh:

in programming it'd be unlikely (er) to see a quiet audio period accompanied by a harsh jump cut

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justinh:

more likely to have a picture fade – or maybe a to black cut

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justinh:

grrr and then a nintendo ad with its own bumper, digital 0 on either side of the ad body

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justinh:

oh and one blank frame period before a post-ad trail

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justinh:

this is why mythtv commflagging doesn't work in the uk :D

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Seeker`:

:P

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Seeker`:

Just tried my settings with glee

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Seeker`:

will have to wait 15 mins until the TV is free to test it though

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Seeker`:

also seeing a lot of "Video buffering failed too many times" :/

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Seeker`:

not sure how to fix that

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justinh:

yeah I think looking for hard cuts alongside a quiet period are the way forward

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justinh:

assuming no ads start black lol

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justinh:

EEW

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Some_Person:

This is offtopic, but what's the easiest way to capture something from a VHS player attached via an HVR-1500's composite input to a file

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justinh:

end of the show, continuity announcer babbled, then before the sponsor message, -40dB ! What kind of frickin S/N ratio is that for a studio?!

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justinh:

Some_Person: cat

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justinh:

if it's an mpeg encoding card

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Some_Person:

justinh: I don't know the specifics of this

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Seeker`:

justinh: what about the end of the sponsor message?

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justinh:

Some_Person: Ah no hardware mpeg encoder on that product. no simple commandline to capture video

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Some_Person:

oh

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justinh:

Seeker`: -66.2 on one channel, -69.5 on the other

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Some_Person:

Would it be better if I used something with a hardware encoder?

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Some_Person:

I've got an HVR-1950, but it's running our main TV, and my dad wouldn't be happy with me taking it away for this

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justinh:

Some_Person: do you have a DV camcorder?

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Some_Person:

a dead one

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justinh:

Some_Person: I've used one for capturing VHS via firewire. it had analogue input :D

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Seeker`:

justinh: -68 threshold on ITV3 (Hornblower) gives the whole thing marked as 1 adbreak

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justinh:

only works for stuff not protected though, but then digitising commercial VHS is a waste of energy anyway

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justinh:

Seeker`: so we need this in the code, in concert with video analysis

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justinh:

there isn't a shortcut to make this work better

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justinh:

the script etc was about proving the concept that audio analysis will help a lot, which it has done admirably

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justinh:

Some_Person: depends how dead. the camcorder I used passed analogue video & audio through to firewire without recording

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Some_Person:

justinh: It won't even turn on

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justinh:

Some_Person: you *might* be able to use mencoder etc with that card, but you'd be better looking at sites like videohelp

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Beirdo:

stoth: you got a moment?

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Seeker`:

justinh: -84,0.12 works on E4 apart from 1 program trailer

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Seeker`:

justinh: trying to find good values for ITV3 now

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justinh:

sphery: must've been on the -developers list. can't see it

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justinh:

Seeker`: a different threshold would work in concert with video analysis

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Seeker`:

justinh: I'm trying to find "good" values for a range of channels, so if someone does have some code to run automatically, they'll have some values to compare to

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justinh:

some channels are better engineered than others, better analogue gear, maybe even no analogue gear, so lower noise floor :P

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Seeker`:

wow, even -87 isn't enough on this recording

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justinh:

that's a pretty darn low number

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Seeker`:

ah, is this a bug in the script? If it doesn't detect any adverts, it sets the whole thing as an advert?

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justinh:

maybe

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justinh:

you could have set it too low

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Seeker`:

well, I started out at -68

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Seeker`:

but it is an old analog program

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justinh:

the only way to know would be to open the recording in an audio editor

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justinh:

from an analogue recording?

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Seeker`:

nope

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Seeker`:

hmm

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Seeker`:

it is ITV3 though, which has pretty poor encoding

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justinh:

you can 'see' the ad breaks in an audio editor

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justinh:

if a human can see them, you can make a computer see them too :)

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Seeker`:

now that might be something you can pick up on; I suspect you'll have more defined ad breaks on higher bitrate source

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justinh:

the audio bitrate won't affect the noise floor

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justinh:

I could turn this into 128k mp3 & the gaps would stay the same to all intents & purposes

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justinh:

what made you say it was an analogue program? the old junk itv3 shows?

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Seeker`:

I suspect there is a lot more compression etc. going on in the lower bitrate channels

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justinh:

no, audio is pretty good across the board on freeview

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Seeker`:

I've just seen the silence detection struggle more on some of the lower bitrate channels

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justinh:

program content peaks around -8 to -9 dB, ads less than that

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justinh:

sponsor messages sometimes -5 or -6dB

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justinh:

loads of headroom

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justinh:

Seeker`: maybe more tightly controlled playout so the gaps are shorter

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justinh:

wonder if I've got anything from the cruddy channels

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justinh:

got Chuck from Five* here

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Seeker`:

don't think Chuck is too bad usually

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justinh:

More4?

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Seeker`:

don't have any of that

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justinh:

PickTV.. sure to be one of the crappo ones :D

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Seeker`:

haha

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Seeker`:

hmm, something isn't right here. Just bumped it up to -55 and it is still marking the whole thing as an advert

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justinh:

run it through ffmpeg first to get rid of the cruft

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Seeker`:

why?

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Seeker`:

and what do you suggest I do?

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justinh:

because I'm copying it over wifi & I need it to be smaller :)

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Seeker`:

this is a 1.8GB recording :P

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justinh:

course, we could all be missing something by not looking in the AD streams :P

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justinh:

"psst, go and put the kettle on" LOL

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Seeker`:

heh

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justinh:

can't get over how much faster vegas 10 is compared to 9. glad I updated :)

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justinh:

Seeker`: -80dB between ads for at least 5 frames on PickTV here

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Seeker`:

justinh: hmm. mp3splt isn't finding anything quieter than -50db for this one program

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Seeker`:

no, make that -45

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justinh:

on ITV3? :-O

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Seeker`:

yup

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justinh:

that's pretty disgusting

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justinh:

cassette had better SNR

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justinh:

don't tell me the values have to be weighted now LOL

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justinh:

take the audio off, load into er.. whatever that crappy editor linux has got, find a quiet bit & look at an fft graph for it

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justinh:

maybe ITV2/3/4 has mains hum :P

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justinh:

ah bedtime I think

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justinh:

oh btw re the comment I made about bitrate vs.noise – not strictly true but the difference between signal & silence will remain fairly much the same

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justinh:

so don't take it as fact that lowering the bitrate doesn't add noise – it can in the form of artifacts if not actual level changes

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justinh:

anyway I found I have one itv3 recording. if I remember I'll take a peek at it tomorrow night

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justinh:

in some ways, we have the DoG campaigners to blame for commflagging not working so well anymore. everybody dimmed their logos

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justinh:

and if channels spend a teeny bit more money – or advertisers kicked up a fuss about it the logos wouldn't even be there during breaks

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** justinh goes to bed to dream about advertising **

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Seeker`:

justinh: sorry, was distracted by RL

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stoth:

Beirdo: hi

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Beirdo:

stoth: had a question about the sa7164 driver and in particular the use of the encoder start/stop ioctl

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Beirdo:

if we wanted it added, I would be happy to try to make a patch, but I just wanted to know if there was a plan in place for it or anything like that?

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Beirdo:

saa7164 rather (OMG, i can't type today)

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Beirdo:

just don't want to be duplicating effort or anything like that

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stoth:

Beirdo: What's the issue with start stop (patches welcome btw)

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Beirdo:

it's apparently not beng handled at all (looking at the one on media_tree)

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Beirdo:

mythtv just recently was changed to send a V4L2_ENC_CMD_STOP, but we get back a EINVAL (as we should) as it's not supported

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Beirdo:

apparently most/many current drivers are implementing it, but not this driver yet. Not sure if we can support stopping at the end of a GOP though

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stoth:

ahh ok.

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stoth:

Beirdo: no control when the encoder stops, you could get a partial gop.

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stoth:

Beirdo: Have you seen the intermitted but real reports of Event Timed Out messages over the last year?

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stoth:

intermittent

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Beirdo:

I haven't noticed them, no

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stoth:

ahh, nm then.

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Beirdo:

hmm

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Beirdo:

http://v4l2spec.bytesex.org/spec/r8087.htm

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Beirdo:

that's the ioctl that I'm speaking of (in case you weren't sure)

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stoth:

lol, this is an experimental interface.

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Beirdo:

yeah, but it seems... someone told one of our devs that all the latest drivers should have it.

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

at a minimum, be nice to not error out on em in the application, but if support could be added, all the better. not being able to stop at GOP is no biggie, but would be nice if possible

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stoth:

I'm actually doing some work in the saa7164 tree, and have been for a while, I need to publish some small but important patches.

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Beirdo:

obviously, I'm not asking for firmware revisions to support stopping on GOP boundaries

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stoth:

if you have something you want me to merge then I'd be happy to, especially since I'm going to ask a few people to QA / test the new tree.

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Beirdo:

Cool. OK, I'll see what I can do once I'm at home, etc.

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stoth:

Bethx

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stoth:

Beirdo: thx

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Beirdo:

no problemo :)

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Beirdo:

still loving that card :)

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stoth:

Yeah, I still have a pair of those in my backend

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stoth:

awesome

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Beirdo:

it and my HDPVR get a workout :)

[23:28:24]

stoth:

:)

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Beirdo:

to the tune of having a backlock of about 2TB of recordings

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stoth:

I had to delete 124 episodes of TNG... felt kinda bad about that.

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Beirdo:

wow. That's quite a few :(

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DeviceZer0:

hello all. im trying to make some custom rules via mythweb. Im in the custom area and i select power search. under recording options i put the name of the show under the title spot and select a few options like shows marked as hd and new episodes only...i then set it...but for some reason it looks like it set to record anything in hd anytime....so its trying to record liek abillion new shows. aa

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DeviceZer0:

ny ideas what i did wrong?

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stoth:

yeah, I realised that myth has the capability of recording enough TV (that I may never watch) until my disks are full.

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Beirdo:

need more disks :)

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stoth:

yeah, 2TB isn't enough.

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Beirdo:

I have 4TB of space, and am starting to gaze longingly at 3TB drives.

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stoth:

Beirdo: you have sat tv right?

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Beirdo:

heh, it's just so wrong

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Beirdo:

yeah, DirecTV

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stoth:

Beirdo: didn't they used to have that interesting digital bus on their early boxes?

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Beirdo:

one HD receiver on the HDPVR, 2 SD recievers on the the analog side of the 2250

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Beirdo:

and then an HD HomeRUN and the DVB side of the 2250 on OTA

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Beirdo:

hmm, they used to have all sorts of neat stuff that they don't let people see anymore

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Beirdo:

I didn't have one with the digital bus, but it wouldn't surprise me

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stoth:

yeah. I think it went away when they realized it was useful for getting access to pure digital content.

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Beirdo:

DRMing jerks :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I'm just so tired of seeing 0-byte recordings. sigh

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stoth:

me to, not from the saa7164 though.

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stoth:

unrelated but feel free to pass the message on: I'm looking to hire a linux apps guy for some Hauppauge stuff.

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Beirdo:

my last set were... because of that change in the recording code in myth... we EINVAL on that ioctl, and abort recording :)

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stoth:

boo!

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Beirdo:

yeah, my sentiments exactly

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DeviceZer0:

anyone have any ideas?

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DeviceZer0:

i cant seem to get custom recordings setup via mythweb

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Beirdo:

stoth: wish you guys were in the Seattle area :)

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stoth:

Beirdo: tele-commute is possible for the right candidate

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sphery:

Help, help, I'm being DoS'ed. Feel the DoS inherent in the github system!

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sphery:

or see the DoS inherent... can't look it up since I can't use my browser until that stupid page loads

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sphery:

and, again, it finishes loading, then pops up a warning saying a script was taking too long

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DeviceZer0:

i think mythweb's scheduling feature is broken....

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DeviceZer0:

yea its not adding the program.title im looking for which results in a sql query error

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sphery:

DeviceZer0: we are much more helpful when we see the actual error messages you're getting rather than your interpretation of what you're seeing :)

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DeviceZer0:

well. if i goto custom recordings in mythweb. then select power search. i select record at any time on any channel. Under the power options there is tile, additional tables, search phrases, and a drop down menu contaiing some premade things like hd only. I set the name of the show im trying to record under the title. i then select the only shows marked as hd and new episodes only. When i hit cre

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DeviceZer0:

ate schedule...mythtv tries to record every single show that is in hd and is new. So i played around a bit and cannot get it to work. When i add the shows name to the search phrases box it give me a sql query error because im pretty sure it needs something like "yada.yada = "SHOW NAME""

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DeviceZer0:

iu have since removed the rule i was messing with so i do not have an exact error for you.

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Beirdo:

stoth: I'll ask around. :) Right now I'm happy where I am, personally.

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sphery:

DeviceZer0: why are you using a custom rule for that? why not just a normal recording?

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sphery:

I take it you're doing it to specifically create a rule that only records when the listings say it's HDTV

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DeviceZer0:

sphery, i had set alot of rules that where channel specific(due to wanting hd recordings)...then when i switched providers mythtv got confused on a ton of rules and was looking on the wrong channel for them. So im now trying to move all my rules over to any channel but record in hd.

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DeviceZer0:

yea

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sphery:

OK... well you're using custom recording rules incorrectly

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sphery:

title is the name you see to identify what it's recording

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Beirdo:

sphery: github pissin you off again? What this time? ;)

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sphery:

you have to specify sql for everything

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DeviceZer0:

ok. so title is like the name of the rule.

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sphery:

so if you want to limit it to only one show, you need to include the title match in the sql

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DeviceZer0:

and has nothing to do with the actual show title

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sphery:

i.e. you need several example clauses put together to create a real rule

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DeviceZer0:

looking at another rule...i want program.title = 'SHOW NAME' ??

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sphery:

DeviceZer0: and, IMHO, you will be best served by using mythfrontend to create custom rules until you get used to them, then you can try the MythWeb approach (which doesn't do as much to help you)

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DeviceZer0:

ive made a couple in the frontend...but i find the interface in the frontend super cludgy and hard to use.

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