Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, May 19th, 2011, 00:00 UTC

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Beirdo:

that's all ya need.

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Beirdo:

I can't wait to get the HDPVR killer boards tested :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

it looks like I'll need to program the EEPROM in the FT232R from Windows to start

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J-e-f-f-A:

Technically the LCD is still powered, as is the IR receiver to turn on the pc, but you can't make out what's on the LCD without the backlight unless you shine a flashlight right into it. And then it's usually "> Yes, exit and shutd" ;-)

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Beirdo:

not too impressed

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J-e-f-f-A:

HDPVR killer boards?!?

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Beirdo:

libftdi doesn't support the R series until like a few months ago

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Beirdo:

aye

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Beirdo:

making little USB-connected boards to power off the HDPVR under software control

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ah, ok. ;-) I haven't had to power-cycle mine since putting a fan blowing on them 24x7 – been a couple of weeks now with NO failed recordings...

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Beirdo:

the circuit bards arrived today

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Beirdo:

the parts arrive tomorrow

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J-e-f-f-A:

I assume you've got your udev rules setup so they don't swap on you all the time. ;-) Mine are /dev/hdpvr0 and /dev/hdpvr0 hehehehehe

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Beirdo:

$20 + shipping if you want... (parts come to... $19.50 or so with the volume discount)

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J-e-f-f-A:

er /dev/hdpvr1 ;-)

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Beirdo:

I only have one HDPVR, but yeah, udev rules FTW

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Beirdo:

as have a 2250 in there too, so I have /dev/video0–2

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Beirdo:

with two totally different devices in there

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, I've got a PVR-250 for a SD IPTV STB, the two HD-PVRs, and a pair of dual-tuner HD-HR's. ;-)

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Beirdo:

so... /dev/video-hdpvr0, /dev/video-hvr0, /dev/video-hvr1

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Beirdo:

and a dual HD-HR

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Beirdo:

I might need to tweak the code in mythtv a touch to get this all 100% working, I just realized

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Beirdo:

what I do is use the event for recording started... make sure the file is growing

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: So if I do a 'git commit' locally, it doesn't submit anything back, but then sets me up to do the "git format-patch blah" to generate a patch, right? ;-)

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Beirdo:

if not, and it's an HDPVR (user defines which ones are which for now), it will power cycle it

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Beirdo:

correct

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J-e-f-f-A:

excellent.

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Beirdo:

but with my script.. if it does that, it won't actually abort the recording, I don't think. it should abort and reschedule, ideally

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Beirdo:

minor details

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Beirdo:

git commit will do a local commit. git push is what gets your local commits pushed back to the source. Which of course won't work on a read-only repo :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Should I see my commit in the output from the 'git log'?

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Beirdo:

right at the beginning

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J-e-f-f-A:

oh...

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Beirdo:

you need to do a git add of the changed files before the commit (unless you use git commit -a)

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J-e-f-f-A:

ah. Thank you for enlightening me. ;-)

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Beirdo:

it's LIFO order :)

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Beirdo:

well, time to head home and claim my packages :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/mythtv/000 . . . client.patch

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J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Oh, and there's supposed to be a progress bar to the right of the recording time, but it's broken on my CrystalFontz driver (well, my hbar patch in lcdproc for the CF is broken, I haven't troubleshot it yet...)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: IE – this is what it's supposed to look like: http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/lcd/lcd2.jpg

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wagnerrp:

like beer?

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Shadow__X:

absolutely

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J-e-f-f-A:

Hehehehe... ;-) I knew someone would chime in with that. ;-)

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Shadow__X:

it was great timiing really

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J-e-f-f-A:

Now where did I put my lcdproc 'bignum' patch... It's here somewhere...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: And here's my "adv_bignum.c" for lcdproc with the nicer 'bignum' font: http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/mythtv/adv_bignum.c

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wagnerrp:

W...T...F...

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wagnerrp:

anyone remember that teo en ming retard?

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wagnerrp:

guy who would spam the mailing list every couple months about some 'disease' he had, pleading for help

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kormoc:

yeah?

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wagnerrp:

seems hes hitting the IVTV mailing list

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wagnerrp:

claiming to have some mind control device implanted in his brain

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Beirdo:

hehe, too bad it's shut off

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kormoc:

yeah, he hit kernel.org's and fedora's and and and

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wagnerrp:

whats the point?

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Beirdo:

suicide by pissed off geek?

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kormoc:

he's actually, really, 100% mentally ill

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wagnerrp:

why is he going after linux mailing lists?

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kormoc:

he's going after all mailing lists too. When I googled him I found him on knitting, cooking, bike riding, etc

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kormoc:

(reference for folks http://ivtvdriver.org/pipermail/ivtv-users/2011-May/010198.html )

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wagnerrp:

is he just doing a mass search for all traces of 'mailman' mailing lists?

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kormoc:

I'd imagine so

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kormoc:

ooh, and forums, he sued god back in sept 2010, http://www.setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=61559

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wagnerrp:

sued god...

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Beirdo:

under what jurisdiction, I wonder :)

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wagnerrp:

seems the seti people decided to have some fun

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wagnerrp:

unlike everyone else who just ignores him

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kormoc:

he's still on LKML, https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/5/18/522

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wagnerrp:

yeah, something about apologizing to some minister

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Beirdo:

and the daily telemarketer call

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kormoc:

I really wonder if he is just the world's best troll

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wagnerrp:

hes actually fairly active on boinc

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Beirdo:

hehe, boinc.

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wagnerrp:

some 90k credits between his machines

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wagnerrp:

i dont know how that equates to anything

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DeviceZer0:

hmm. looking in my guide in mythtv and its showing no data for some channels when it should have data. Example: tomorrow night at 9pm on nation geographic

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wagnerrp:

XMLTV or schedules direct?

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DeviceZer0:

sd

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wagnerrp:

try running 'mythfilldatabase --dd-grab-all'

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DeviceZer0:

runnin mythfill now to see it for some reason it messed up fetching them

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wagnerrp:

what processor?

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DeviceZer0:

i am(or was) using --dd-grab-all as ppl in here suggested it.

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DeviceZer0:

backends got a dualcore amd. 3.2ghz iirc.

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wagnerrp:

if youre using that, it will flush everything, and reload everything at once from SD

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wagnerrp:

if you have gaps in the data, then there very possibly are gaps in the data from SD for some reason

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DeviceZer0:

yea

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DeviceZer0:

should know in a min or two if mythfill did anything...if it doesnt ill try with grab all

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: i suppose we would be getting one of these too had we not banned him

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DeviceZer0:

looks like just mythfill did it.

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Beirdo:

hmmm, found my first repeat LP

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Beirdo:

Phil Collins – Hello, I Must Be Going!

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Beirdo:

50c well wasted

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wagnerrp:

thats it?

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Beirdo:

well, 55c with tax :)

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wagnerrp:

mmm... new F:NV expansion

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Beirdo:

tell me... how can you have an Eagles 'Greatest Hits' album... without Hotel California on it?

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singlegirlarity:

I think you answered your own question Beirdo

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Beirdo:

umm, hardly. It's one of their most popular songs

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Beirdo:

oooh

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Beirdo:

because it's greatest hits 1971–1975.

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Beirdo:

Hotel California came out 1976

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Beirdo:

never mind :)

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tgm4883:

singlegirlarity knows the future!

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tgm4883:

granted it's only 2 minutes into the future, but it's still the future!

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singlegirlarity:

in the future, greatest hits albums will only feature songs approved by a non-human animal

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Beirdo:

OK, boards look nice :)

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wagnerrp:

not robots?

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Beirdo:

huh?

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mag0o:

borgs, he meant borgs!

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wagnerrp:

greatest hit album selected by animals

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Beirdo:

oooh

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wagnerrp:

because in the future, there will be robots

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Beirdo:

it's practically that way for American Idol

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Beirdo:

chosen by random number generator...all up to autotune to make it sound "good"

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wagnerrp:

they might even be giant... robots...

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tgm4883:

Has anyone shown up here with issues with there backups in mythbuntu?

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wagnerrp:

like... database backups?

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tgm4883:

yea

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tgm4883:

well conf files + database

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, mainly what I'm asking, has anyone shown up complaining about issues using the backup and restore utility in MCC

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wagnerrp:

nope

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tgm4883:

ok

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tgm4883:

well if they do, let them know i'm working on it, and i'm sorry

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wagnerrp:

never say youre sorry

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wagnerrp:

apologize

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tgm4883:

ok

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tgm4883:

tell them I hate them and screw their database

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wagnerrp:

if you say youre sorry, people will agree

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Beirdo:

that's more like

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DeviceZer0:

hmm...going through all my searches and it looks like when i switched cable providers mythtv got confused by the channel changes and alot of shows i had to set to record on a specific channel where set to "record any time on channel ." where there was no matching channel. Also some of recordings kept the channel number so mythtv would be looking on the wrong channel for the new channel line up

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DeviceZer0:

i had/do use channel specific rules because i want to record the shows in hd

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tgm4883:

DeviceZer0, IIRC, you can set that up in the schedule

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tgm4883:

(record HD)

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DeviceZer0:

i dont see that in mythweb on 0.23-fixes.

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DeviceZer0:

i have a feeling its prob in 0.24 but i have not made the switch yet.

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mag0o:

DeviceZer0: sphery recently had a message on the mailing list that advised to do just that, record on any channel to avoid the situation you're currently in, and yes, there is a 'record hd' option when scheduling

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tgm4883:

DeviceZer0, I'm pretty sure it was available in 0.23.x, but I can't verify right now

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DeviceZer0:

hmmm

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DeviceZer0:

mag0o, ah. i kinda suspected it might....but im just now finding out it did...not a huge issue really.

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DeviceZer0:

tgm4883, hmm...

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DeviceZer0:

i dont see it anywhere in mythweb

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DeviceZer0:

yea i dont see it in the frontend either.

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tgm4883:

hmm, I'm not seeing it anywhere in mythweb either. I know you can specify it in a custom rule, but I thought it was a checkbox as well

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DeviceZer0:

ah. could be a custom rule.

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DeviceZer0:

but that would be a pita to remake these all into custom ones hehe

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DeviceZer0:

i also dont see it under the custom rules in mythweb

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mag0o:

now that i look, i don't find it either, yet i seem to recall specifically seeing it

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DeviceZer0:

and it is in the mythfrontend custom rules part. program.hdtv > 0

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DeviceZer0:

would be awesome if there was a checkbox in the normal recording schedule part to check "hd only" or prefer hd

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mag0o:

DeviceZer0: it's there on custom rules too, select power search, then below the text input the dropdown has the option 'only shows marked as HDTV'

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DeviceZer0:

in mythweb?

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mag0o:

yeah

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DeviceZer0:

oh i see now

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DeviceZer0:

i didnt realize that

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DeviceZer0:

thanks!

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DeviceZer0:

the custom rule make in the frontend in 0.23 is kinda klunky and hard to use.

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mag0o:

:)

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DeviceZer0:

ive kinda been wanting to nuke this stuff for a while and start fresh...have had the same db for many years now and soooooo many rules for shows that ended or no longer are aired.

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DeviceZer0:

i might nuke them and remake them all with custom rules

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mag0o:

me and the wife sat down a couple of weeks ago and did just that

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DeviceZer0:

though a few stations are in hd and mythtv does not recognize that they are. but iirc it has something to do with SD not marking them as HD

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mag0o:

i think sd is only passing on the data it gets from tribune, so if you submit a ticket with sd, they're pretty good at responding and trying to do the right thing

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DeviceZer0:

yea they are.

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DeviceZer0:

looking into that as i type! :)

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DeviceZer0:

hmm

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DeviceZer0:

looking in my upcoming shows....some shows that are hd are not showing up as hd. When i goto the station they are recording on some other shows are being marked.

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DeviceZer0:

for example: pawn stars on history hd shows up as not hd...but it always records in hd.

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[R]:

DeviceZer0: sounds like your listings suck

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DeviceZer0:

then the show "swamp people" on history hd is marked.

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DeviceZer0:

[R], they are coming from schedule direct.

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[R]:

ok... and?

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[R]:

schedules direct gets it from tribune

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DeviceZer0:

ok... and?

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[R]:

no and

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Beirdo:

and some egg rolls...

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Beirdo:

and then?

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mag0o:

now i have to wonder, after looking at how a custom recording rule creates the entry in the record table, is having a show record hdtv only as simple as setting the description to your additional fields (ex: program.hdtv > 0 AND program.previouslyshown = 0), or is it also tied to the record.type?

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Beirdo:

J-e-f-f-A: not sure what to do with the adv_bignum.c part

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tgm4883:

mag0o, regarding HDTV, it's probably just a true false setting

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tgm4883:

could probably be program.hdtv = 1

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: That's a file for lcdproc – if you download the lcdproc source, and replace the one it comes with, you'll get my 'bignum' font. ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Otherwise, it will just look like this: http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/lcd/lcd1.jpg

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J-e-f-f-A:

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J-e-f-f-A:

I'm off to bed... LMK what you think of my changes... ;-)

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JEDIDIAH__:

...that's the "magic" of SQL.

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spinull:

should i buy a few hdpvrs?

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JEDIDIAH__:

probably.

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spinull:

im wondering if/how i can tie multiple backends together over vpn

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[R]:

spinull: you should buy however many you need?

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spinull:

iv never had more than one backend before, how does it handle storage

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spinull:

if the recordings are distributed amongst the different backend machines

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[R]:

it'll record to its local storage groups

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spinull:

and all the frontends will connect to the master backend?

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spinull:

or can they connect to the backend thats closest to them

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[R]:

they connect to the master

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spinull:

that would present lag

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[R]:

than maybe myth isn't the right system for you

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spinull:

because of lag

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spinull:

thats not myth thats the problem

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spinull:

im limited by the speed of my internet connection

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spinull:

i'll just not set it up that way

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[R]:

spinull: myth isn't made to go across the internets

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clever:

ive done it once before, the lag was horid

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clever:

i think it was 6 or 7 hours to pre-cache a one hour show

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Beirdo:

ah, gool

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Beirdo:

cool even

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Beirdo:

anyways, I passed out there for a bit

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Beirdo:

now that I'm awake again...

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justinh:

hahaha somebody brought up the puny USB computer thingy as a frontend possibility. It had to happen

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[R]:

lol

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mycosys:

as afrontend???????????????????????????????????????????

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[R]:

well def not a backend

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[R]:

lol

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rickchristie1:

hi i need some advice on channel scanning kaffiene gets great reception but myth is crap

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[R]:

what kind of tuner?

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rickchristie1:

leadtek dtv 1000s

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justinh:

ah almost the same model as I've been using without problems for like er.. how many years now

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justinh:

so firstly, define 'crap'

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rickchristie1:

channel locks at 80%+ but the picture is blotchy and the sound keeps popping and squealing

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justinh:

so is myth finding the channels you expect it to find when you scan?

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rickchristie1:

yes all except channel nine

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justinh:

ok. I have a suspicion what might be wrong here. With myth still runningm run the femon command & tell me what numbers you're getting

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justinh:

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justinh:

the signal numbers appear (on this driver) to work in reverse – smaller numbers there mean stronger signal (I've tested that), snr is the ratio of signal to noise, ber (bit error rate) should ideally be as close to all zeros as possible, and unc (uncorrectable errors) should also be as near zero as possible. Uncorrectable errors cause the kind of blotching, popping & squeaking you're experiencing

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rickchristie1:

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justinh:

what I *think* might have happened here is that your local transmitter isn't reporting the frequency it's on correctly – and rather than take the frequency myth finds something on as some other apps do, mythtv follows the DVB spec & borrows the info from tables in the stream. So, if the info is incorrect mythtv stores incorrect information even though it had successfully found the mux on a different frequency

[06:48:05]

rickchristie1:

wow ok so what can i do

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justinh:

e..g. a transmitter on 800Mhz might well be broadcasting tables which say it's on 600Mhz.. that kind of thing. We've seen at least one other case of that in Oz

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justinh:

you can check what frequencies are stored in the database for the multiplexes you scanned, and verify they're correct

[06:49:51]

rickchristie1:

um how

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rickchristie1:

sorry im very new at this

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justinh:

mysql -u mythtv -pTHEPASSWORD mythconverg -e "SELECT frequency FROM dtv_multiplex ORDER BY frequency;"

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justinh:

where THEPASSWORD is the mysql password for the mythtv mysql user :)

[06:51:21]

justinh:

or you could look via phpmyadmin or whatever

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justinh:

or you can look in mythtv-setup

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rickchristie1:

do you mean in edit trasports

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justinh:

it might also help if you set kaffeine off again onto the same channel & run femon – if the stats are markedly different then it's almost certainly because it's on a different frequency – or because your antenna is properly plugged in this time :P

[06:53:09]

justinh:

yes

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justinh:

there's a command you can use to find out what frequency a tuner is currently using but I can't remember what it is

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justinh:

ah yes. dvbsnoop -s feinfo will tell you what frequency a tuner is currently on

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justinh:

it'll also report the other tuning parameters – but if they were wrong I doubt you'd be seeing anything at all

[06:59:03]

justinh:

so what I think might have happened is that the strong signal kaffeine finds, contains tuning/ID information for a more distant mux, and that is what you're actually getting put into the database by the channel scanner

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rickchristie1:

dvbsnoop reports Device: /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0

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rickchristie1:

Basic capabilities:

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rickchristie1:

Name: "NXP TDA10048HN DVB-T"

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rickchristie1:

Frontend-type: OFDM (DVB-T)

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rickchristie1:

Frequency (min): 177000.000 kHz

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rickchristie1:

Frequency (max): 858000.000 kHz

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rickchristie1:

Frequency stepsiz: 166.666 kHz

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rickchristie1:

Frequency tolerance: 0.000 kHz

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justinh:

oy

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rickchristie1:

Symbol rate (min): 0.000000 MSym/s

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rickchristie1:

Symbol rate (max): 0.000000 MSym/s

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rickchristie1:

Symbol rate tolerance: 0 ppm

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rickchristie1:

Notifier delay: 0 ms

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rickchristie1:

Frontend capabilities:

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rickchristie1:

auto inversion

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justinh:

use a pastebin for more than 2 lines PLEASE

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rickchristie1:

FEC 1/2

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rickchristie1:

FEC 2/3

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rickchristie1:

FEC 3/4

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rickchristie1:

FEC 5/6

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rickchristie1:

FEC 7/8

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rickchristie1:

FEC AUTO

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Beirdo:

GAH

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rickchristie1:

QPSK

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hoolio:

:)

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rickchristie1:

QAM 16

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rickchristie1:

QAM 64

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rickchristie1:

QAM AUTO

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rickchristie1:

auto transmission mode

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rickchristie1:

auto guard interval

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rickchristie1:

auto hierarchy

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rickchristie1:

Current parameters:

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** Beirdo hands justinh the trout **

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rickchristie1:

Frequency: 226500.000 kHz

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hoolio:

what is a pastebin anyhow

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rickchristie1:

Inversion: ON

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rickchristie1:

Bandwidth: 7 MHz

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rickchristie1:

Stream code rate (hi prio): FEC 3/4

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rickchristie1:

Stream code rate (lo prio): FEC 1/2

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rickchristie1:

Modulation: QAM 64

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rickchristie1:

Transmission mode: 8k mode

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hoolio:

perhaps that's where you paste stuff

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rickchristie1:

Guard interval: 1/16

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rickchristie1:

Hierarchy: none

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justinh:

hoolio: pastebin.com pastebin.ca

[07:03:03]

justinh:

hoolio: like it suggests in the subject. you know., the subject line everybody reads?

[07:03:07]

hoolio:

instead of spamming the channel

[07:03:24]

Beirdo:

anyways, enjoy your chatting, I'm heading to bed ;)

[07:03:26]

justinh:

rickchristie1: next time you need to paste more than 2 lines, use pastebin.com

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hoolio:

sorry, note sarcasm

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justinh:

Beirdo: night

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rickchristie1:

sorry but i dont know what a pastebin is

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justinh:

damn these stupid IRC clients with their antiflood protection. people would learn quicker

[07:04:11]

justinh:

the bloody channel topic mentions it

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justinh:

does nobody read it?!

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justinh:

anyway rickchristie1 what you need to do is compare the numbers – that info when mythtv is running on channel 'X' and again when kaffeine is running on channel 'X'. My guess is that the freq. in the current parameters will be different

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rickchristie1:

if they are different i can make changes in edit traspots right or should i manually add the channels

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justinh:

edit them in edit transports. you can't manually add DVB channels

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rickchristie1:

ok i think your right. myth is running 177500.00 and kaffine is running226500.00

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rickchristie1:

i noticed that kaffine has 2 oz sources australia and australia melbourne as melb is closer is it posible to get myth to use this source

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justinh:

I think if you do a tuned scan rather than a full scan you stand a better chance

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justinh:

this might not be the incorrect frequency (in the broadcast) table problem after all

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rickchristie1:

ill try that now

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justinh:

if you know the frequency of one transport to start with, that should in theory be enough to pull all of them in

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rickchristie1:

tuned scan reports no channels found

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rickchristie1:

i got hold of melbourne channels.config but myth wont import it

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

then you were doing the tuned scan wrong :-)

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justinh:

did you take the initial tuning frequency from a list of known good frequencies?

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rickchristie1:

yep i got 62050000 from kafiene

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justinh:

maybe interpret the .conf file parameters to try in the tuned scan too. auto on everything bar frequency doesn't always work

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rickchristie1:

ok ill try tonigt thanks for your help

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justinh:

knew it'd be a matter of time before the 'serious' cyclist came over to pour scorn on my new wheel. Muppet

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jos1801:

Morning. Has anyone on here managed to get BBC iplayer working within mythtnetvision? I can access the tree and search for videos and the Play icon appears, but when I click it I get "This content doesn't appear to be working. Please try again later". I've read on gossamer/mythtalk forums that it's not actually a mythtv issue and more likely a flash problem. Thing is, I can search for and play flash videos from youtube within mythtnetvision and I

[09:41:09]

justinh:

does iplayer work within mythbrowser though? *that* is the question

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justinh:

mythnetvision isn't allowed to access iplayer streams directly – it's all got to be done with the browser

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justinh:

thank the BBC & Adobe for that

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justinh:

there's (kind of) an API for finding stuff on iPlayer but when it comes to playing anything that has to happen in an Adobe Flash enabled browser

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justinh:

and AFAIK if you see the play icon, that's as far as mythnetvision can get you. everything else is up to adobe flash. You ARE using adobe flash, right? I mean not the lookey-likey thingy – cos that won't work with the iplayer

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justinh:

I wish flash would die in a fire. wouldn't mind so much if they did proper accelerated screen painting with Xv or opengl.. y'know, like kind of in sync with the screen refresh rate too. That'd be nice

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jos1801:

haven't tried it within mythbrowser itself tbh, just FF and Opera. I'm using the flash version that Ubuntu uses within it's "Comprehensive Media setup guide" – I'll check that and re-install the actual Adobe one, see if that helps. Gotta agree with you on wishing Flash a very painful death :)

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jos1801:

well it works fine from mythbrowser

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justinh:

I might be able to help if I actually used it, but anything in a flash player looks all torn & nasty on my frontend

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jos1801:

not to worry, very rare i need bbc iplayer anyway, just one of those, "now that i've got it installed i want it working" moments really

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justinh:

heh when I need the iplayer or whatever I just fire up the cable box :)

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justinh:

looks amazing, not internet good :)

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jos1801:

well, with me having dual tuner card, mythwelcome/shutdown all set to auto and the scheduling up to date, it's only ever needed if i have a power cut during recording. my own worst enemy sometimes with thoughts like "oh i wonder how i can make it better now" lol

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justinh:

never shut my backend down. it allows me to be here when I'm at work :)

[10:31:49]

justinh:

holy poop. I ordered a new battery for my laptop at about this time yesterday & it's here now

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EvilGuru:

I remember back in the 0.21 days that PulseAudio support was 100% cream crackered (or more, pulse was cream crackered), have things improved since then?

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justinh:

I hope not

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justinh:

I mean, it'll apparently 'work' (YMMV) but it isn't a desirable route to take, I'm reliably informed, if you ever intend to use digital audio paths

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EvilGuru:

justinh: I currently use S/P-DIF with a DAC, but don't care for pass through, but do require mixing

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justinh:

then if you're that serious about audio you wouldn't want PA anyway

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EvilGuru:

And soon will be ditching my Audigy card, putting me into the land of software mixing, either dmix or pulse

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justinh:

software volume control... shudder

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justinh:

try PA.. you have nothing to lose but your sanity

[10:44:34]

EvilGuru:

Lost that years ago.

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EvilGuru:

Does mythtv just use the alsa emulation cruft or talk directly through yet-another-audio-api

[10:45:00]

justinh:

then you have nothing to lose

[10:45:09]

justinh:

it can use PA directly I think

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justinh:

you have a choice

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waxhead:

hi

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waxhead:

in mythsetu on the frontend what is the "SELECT" key when trying to size the screen?

[12:00:33]

waxhead:

it says, SELECT to edit the other arrow.. but I can't find it on the keyboard

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wagnerrp:

usually 'enter'

[12:02:01]

justinh:

whatever key is bound to 'select'

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wagnerrp:

whatever key you have bound to that keybinding

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waxhead:

it's a default install so hitting enter only removes the top left arrow..

[12:02:48]

waxhead:

I'm wondering.. is there a bottom right arrow?

[12:02:53]

justinh:

yes there is

[12:03:02]

waxhead:

cool..

[12:03:06]

wagnerrp:

likely off screen

[12:03:08]

waxhead:

OH.. I wonder if I can't see it!

[12:03:10]

justinh:

you only ever see one arrow at a time IIRC

[12:03:12]

wagnerrp:

use the arrow keys to move it on screen

[12:03:37]

justinh:

I made the first version of this & I can't even remember LOL

[12:03:45]

waxhead:

found it!

[12:03:53]

waxhead:

hmmm.. that off set is too whacky..

[12:04:13]

** waxhead goes boot up xbmc to see what it's settings are.. they fit the tv screen **

[12:04:46]

justinh:

xbmc does not draw the screen the same way mythtv does

[12:05:14]

justinh:

so any numbers you pull out of there likely won't apply :P

[12:05:30]

wagnerrp:

perhaps those dialogs should pull the bound keyname out of the settings, rather than saying 'SELECT'

[12:06:13]

justinh:

good idea

[12:06:31]

wagnerrp:

it might screw things up with translations though

[12:06:43]

waxhead:

oh.. won't it?

[12:06:45]

waxhead:

bugger...

[12:07:09]

waxhead:

ok.. I'll go check my fe/be setup.. it seems pretty good

[12:07:47]

justinh:

what res are you running it at anyway? it defaults to full screen – so if that isn't fitting on your TV/monitor something is badly wrong

[12:08:22]

wagnerrp:

actually no, you could just mandate that string include a '%1' in all translations

[12:08:34]

wagnerrp:

which you would then replace after the translated string is pulled

[12:11:04]

waxhead:

I'm actually using a monitor...

[12:11:26]

waxhead:

it's supposed to be 1920*1080

[12:11:31]

justinh:

so er...

[12:11:34]

justinh:

I'm confused

[12:11:35]

waxhead:

well it is 1920*1080

[12:11:53]

wagnerrp:

if youre using a monitor, there should be no overscan

[12:12:11]

justinh:

by default the bottom right arrow should appear at the lowest, furthest right extremity of the mythfrontend window

[12:12:15]

waxhead:

I've even noticed this on the big tv, the actually display of the desktop doesn't fit within the 'visible' area..

[12:12:29]

wagnerrp:

if youre using a large format display that simply has no tuner, there will likely be overscan

[12:13:03]

waxhead:

but even the TV is like that..

[12:13:17]

wagnerrp:

yes, tvs are overscanned for no good reason

[12:13:32]

waxhead:

so I'm running a GUI settings of 1834, 1030 off set 42 and 24

[12:13:37]

waxhead:

and the gui fits nicely...

[12:13:39]

wagnerrp:

sounds about right

[12:13:48]

waxhead:

cool..

[12:14:00]

waxhead:

is that fairly common then?

[12:14:02]

wagnerrp:

overscan is typically around 5%

[12:14:19]

waxhead:

could myth maybe have a 'preset' to make it simpler?

[12:14:21]

wagnerrp:

things like DVD, and apparently xbmc themes, are designed with known overscan areas

[12:14:35]

wagnerrp:

areas that are considered safe, and others considered off limits and unusable

[12:14:45]

waxhead:

yeah, xbmc has a preset value that made it work fine for me when I tried it out..

[12:14:58]

wagnerrp:

waxhead: no, because any 'preset' will only get you close

[12:15:01]

waxhead:

but I'm sticking with myth on the frontend as everyone is used to it...

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wagnerrp:

each tv is different

[12:15:15]

wagnerrp:

for absolutely no good reason

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waxhead:

and it allows TV too.. which xbmc doesn't

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waxhead:

wagnerrp, fair enough then...

[12:15:39]

waxhead:

one day I'll document my set so I don't have to keep asking.. :)

[12:15:42]

wagnerrp:

overscan comes from old broadcast analog tv and CRTs

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justinh:

in theory they are, but it's quite common to see things like news channel tickers slap bang on the bottom of a screen where they are on every other TV you see

[12:15:57]

waxhead:

OK.. back to see if the nvida drivers are working now.. need VDPAU

[12:16:03]

waxhead:

it's an ION based front end

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wagnerrp:

CRTs were not consistent, so you needed overscan to ensure you filled the whole screen

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wagnerrp:

LCDs and plasmas are pixel exact

[12:16:43]

wagnerrp:

there is no reason for a digital display to overscan from a digital signal

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wagnerrp:

ever

[12:17:15]

wagnerrp:

and there is likely no reason for something like component video to ever overscan either

[12:18:01]

wagnerrp:

this whole debacle is just a great reason to flick some design engineer in the balls

[12:18:44]

waxhead:

sigh..

[12:18:58]

waxhead:

I can't wait to get an ubuntu install that has the nvidia drivers "just working"

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justinh:

wagnerrp: on many modern CRTs it was actually eventually possible to make them pretty consistent once they're set up at the factory :)

[12:19:47]

wagnerrp:

waxhead: i doubt that is possible, due to licensing concerns

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waxhead:

maybe... but it's always a chore...

[12:20:27]

waxhead:

and the solutions aren't real flash and tend to be hit and miss...

[12:21:39]

wagnerrp:

even windows requires you to go out and download nvidia drivers

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waxhead:

really?

[12:27:46]

waxhead:

I never knew that..

[12:27:56]

waxhead:

ok, time for bed.. seems like the new FE is working OK...

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wagnerrp:

windows will work, with its shipped drivers

[12:29:38]

wagnerrp:

but those should only be used to allow you to go to nvidia and download the new drivers

[12:30:34]

jos1801:

waxhead: sorry if i'm barking up the wrong tree as i can only see half the story, but are you saying that you have to overscan the screen in mythtv to get a full screen picture? if so, the solution is fairly easy and it's a one time fix too

[12:31:41]

wagnerrp:

no, your tv is overscanned, and very few tvs allow you to disable that 'feature'

[12:32:18]

wagnerrp:

so mythtv provides a mechanism to shrink its GUI to fit the physical extents of your tv

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wagnerrp:

rather than the full resolution of the display

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skd5aner:

(nvidia does too)

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wagnerrp:

nvidia does for analog outputs, not digital

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skd5aner:

really?! it won't work on DVI out?

[12:33:18]

jos1801:

does on my digital output

[12:33:18]

skd5aner:

I swore it did

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justinh:

wagnerrp: fairly sure nvidia allows that in windows. ages since I had to meddle with it in linux

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wagnerrp:

it shouldnt, since implementing that on a digital out will induce scaling

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skd5aner:

I'm pretty sure it does

[12:34:44]

skd5aner:

and I think it does leverage scaling to do so

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wagnerrp:

well if you use that, it will blur everything you display pretty bad

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: I'm guessing on the scaling part

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justinh:

maybe they can do some kind of virtual windowing instead

[12:37:36]

skd5aner:

but I'm still pretty sure that overscan compensation will work regardless of output

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justinh:

so the mode will be the same but the desktop bounds will be tuneable

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skd5aner:

I haven't had to worry about it in a while since I actually use VGA out and get a pixel-to-pixel match of my TV

[12:39:56]

skd5aner:

http://www.ypass.net/blog/2010/04/nvidia-over . . . est-drivers/

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justinh:

oh yeah that rings a bell

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wagnerrp:

i knew it used to not work

[12:43:08]

wagnerrp:

didnt realize they fixed it

[12:43:56]

wagnerrp:

although IMHO, myth is going to be more accurate than a single slider

[12:44:06]

wagnerrp:

and vastly easier than trying to come up with your own reduced resolution modeline

[12:44:18]

justinh:

anyway I'd heard the settings wiz was broken

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wagnerrp:

not exactly

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: when I last played with it about 1.5 years ago, the nvidia tool was way easier than the myth on (imho(

[12:44:46]

wagnerrp:

the settings wizard cannot be used to correct bad settings

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justinh:

true. that

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justinh:

that's why I made it resettable

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skd5aner:

s/on/one

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wagnerrp:

first, it will not be able to display outside the limits defined

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wagnerrp:

and if you try to use it a second time, it will re-apply those offsets on top of the original offsets

[12:45:34]

wagnerrp:

resulting in something completely wrong

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justinh:

inbuilt design flaw :)

[12:45:50]

justinh:

I couldn't think of any way around that. patches welcome, etc

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skd5aner:

... and at the time, the mythtv one did some REALLY weird things where everytime it reloaded the frontend, the pixels would creep and the screen would always been off centered again

[12:46:37]

wagnerrp:

well resolving the improper application on second occurrence should be simple enough

[12:46:57]

wagnerrp:

just apply the offset from 0, rather than the database

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wagnerrp:

(or depending on what the problem is, from the database value rather than 0)

[12:47:34]

wagnerrp:

but im sure being able to specify negative offsets and draw outside the UI will be considerably more difficult

[12:48:44]

justinh:

apparently not

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justinh:

drawing is only bound to the current window extents by the UI code IIRC

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** justinh just applied for a job. First application in almost 10 years! **

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wagnerrp:

which means you would need to manually draw those cursors, rather than use the UI code

[12:51:06]

wagnerrp:

(a lot more difficult than manipulation of some values)

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justinh:

or change the UI code to allow drawing outside the box

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justinh:

then only draw the UI in the box

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wagnerrp:

(also...)

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justinh:

*main UI

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justinh:

it's still a hell of a big change to make for a teensy little feature though

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justinh:

wow. never known an agency call so soon after applying. job sounds right up my street, in the part of the country I want to be, and I'm being put forward for it – so made it past the agency screening. That's always a good thing

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mycosys:

check out this – http://www.fortana.net.au/terms-and-conditions

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mycosys:

the AUP at the bottom

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mycosys:

would any person in their right mind agree to be bound by it?

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justinh:

does any person in their right mind actually read T&Cs to that extent?

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justinh:

regular people tend not to

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mycosys:

was just added to our isp – so yes you look

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mycosys:

i tend to check every time myself

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justinh:

depends what it is

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mycosys:

but – we can change this at any time with no notice

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justinh:

yeah but they have to tell you when they do change anything

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mycosys:

we expect you to tell us with evidence if you come across anyone else breaching this

[13:41:41]

mycosys:

they say they dont

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mycosys:

that is one part of the AUP

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mycosys:

that is why i say would anyone in their right mind agree

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justinh:

holy poop

[13:42:21]

justinh:

missed that when I scanned it. that's bad

[13:42:31]

mycosys:

thats beyond bad

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justinh:

wonder how many of your MPs are shareholders :D

[13:42:41]

mycosys:

thats insane – the stuff of nazis

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mycosys:

and stalinists

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mycosys:

if stalin ran an comms company it would be EIT global

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justinh:

we heard tales that Aussie gov had gone a bit crazy

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justinh:

like the big internet filter etc

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mycosys:

pretty sure it isnt legal

[13:43:41]

justinh:

maybe now ISPs are being pressured into doing it instead

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justinh:

they're talking about that over here, but some just aren't interested in logging the kind of things the gov wants to see – it costs money after all ;)

[13:44:24]

mycosys:

nah – there is a clause ther to indemnify them for kids finding porn

[13:45:12]

justinh:

my ISP T&Cs mentions that I can report inappropriate or abusive behaviour – but that's not on the same scale as YOU MUST TELL US

[13:45:37]

justinh:

they also don't mention legality of content

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justinh:

the ISPs over here are already not culpable, even if it was copyrighted material stored on one of their servers

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mycosys:

nor are ours

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justinh:

so why the need to add the clauses about illegal content?

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mycosys:

already commented on whirlpool that if they had lawyers that crap would never have left the board room

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justinh:

if they can't be help responsible on your behalf where's the fire?

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mycosys:

effed if i know

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justinh:

some ISPs here have actually been actively campaigning against our digital economy bill

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justinh:

that's the bill where UK gov wanted to force ISPs to cut off users who downloaded copyrighted content without consent

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mycosys:

same here

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mycosys:

also one isp just won a big court vase against copyright holders

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mycosys:

*case

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justinh:

they failed, but what I found striking is that they were fighting for the consumer not just bending over

[13:50:33]

justinh:

they should call everybody's bluff one time – and just try reducing prices to see if anything changes. Be so funny if it worked

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justinh:

they being the content producers/distributors/evil mega hyper corps

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justinh:

trial period.. 90% off everything!

[13:54:16]

justinh:

oh wait, they only *claim* piracy is killing business. I remember now. Wake up

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mycosys:

preaching to the choir justinh

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mycosys:

but you and i may be the only ones on this chan that think that way

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justinh:

nah, if it cost less we'd all buy more – and maybe if they made less drivel

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justinh:

nice. just googled that company's location. good place to be. right side of the road for that area. Less congestion in the morning & hometime than the other side. Now all I need to do is get the darn thing

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SpaceBass:

rhpot1991, you about by chance?

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rhpot1991:

SpaceBass: kinda, whats up?

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SpaceBass:

rhpot1991, don't want to monopolize your time, trying to trouble shoot an RSS issue with myth export – transcoding working fine, just can't download the files?. in web browser it gives "forbidden" error, in apache2 log it says the symlink isn't acceptable

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SpaceBass:

both /var/www/mythexport/video and /local/media/MythTV/mythexport are 777 and owned by mythtv

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SpaceBass:

exact apache error: Symbolic link not allowed or link target not accessible: /var/www/mythexport/video

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wagnerrp:

rhpot1991: you maintain mythexport currently?

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rhpot1991:

wagnerrp: I'm upstream for it

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wagnerrp:

would it be of any interest to be able to run that through myth's jobqueue, rather than your own daemon?

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rhpot1991:

SpaceBass: hmmm let me dig a little, I think I have an idea

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SpaceBass:

rhpot1991, as always, appreciate your time and expertise :)

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rhpot1991:

wagnerrp: yes, I'd have to retrace some of my steps to remember why I did some of the things I've done though

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wagnerrp:

im working on a rewrite of the jobqueue, should be ready in a few months

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wagnerrp:

allowing for an unlimited number of user jobs

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rhpot1991:

I'd like to get some better mythtv integration, right now with it stand along I'm pretty sure there are only my ubuntu packages out there

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wagnerrp:

basically, each transcoding profile gets its own command, and own string of arguments

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wagnerrp:

if you create a new profile, you add a command, and a couple machines its allowed to run on

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wagnerrp:

and the the jobqueue scheduler would decide where and when to run it

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wagnerrp:

i dont know if mythexport has any capacity for real time operation

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wagnerrp:

(direct streaming)

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rhpot1991:

SpaceBass: pastebin your /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/default-mythbuntu file

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rhpot1991:

wagnerrp: not really, you have to wait for ffmpeg to end before you can do much with it

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wagnerrp:

ok, this would end up being the same

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rhpot1991:

once thats done you have rss, and a very simple html5 streaming page

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SpaceBass:

rhpot1991, http://pastebin.ca/2064751

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SpaceBass:

looks like followsymlinks is enabled

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rhpot1991:

SpaceBass: ls -lah /var/www/mythexport/video

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SpaceBass:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 30 2011-05–17 19:41 /var/www/mythexport/video -> /local/media/MythTV/mythexport

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rhpot1991:

and make sure the resulting symlink location exists

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SpaceBass:

(guess I was wrong about owner)

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SpaceBass:

it does

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rhpot1991:

root:root is fine

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rhpot1991:

wagnerrp: I'm thinking we should combine efforts, if I port some of the rss stuff to mythweb and then use your job queue it would be integrated a lot better

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wagnerrp:

well ive got the jobqueue itself mostly written, but it needs a lot of bugfixing

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wagnerrp:

still need to implement the frontend utilities to maintain it and allow queuing and management of jobs

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wagnerrp:

might want to talk to sphery as well

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rhpot1991:

SpaceBass: try modifying your /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/mythexport.conf, replace SymLinksIfOwnerMatch with FollowSymLinks then reload or restart apache

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wagnerrp:

when his recordedfile stuff goes in, mythtv will be able to track multiple instances of a single recording, like the multiple transcodes produced by mythexport

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rhpot1991:

wagnerrp: oh very nice

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SpaceBass:

rhpot1991, that worked! thanks!

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rhpot1991:

SpaceBass: well I don't consider that a fix, but now we know its the owner somewhere doesn't match up

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SpaceBass:

well in the actual directory, the owner is mythtv:nsnetmedia (a group of my own creation)

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rhpot1991:

oh that might be why

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rhpot1991:

try making that mythtv:mythtv

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SpaceBass:

k

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SpaceBass:

(although that means I have to leave it 775 at least for my file sharing to work)

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rhpot1991:

revert the config file and test

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rhpot1991:

if you need to go with that change its fine, just be aware of any security repercussions

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SpaceBass:

yeah

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momelod:

Greetings channel

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NickHu:

Hey all

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NickHu:

Guys, I just got a satellite line to my dekstop... Any recomendations on which DVB-S (Preferably DVB-S2 as that includes HD AFAIK) card I should get? I'd prefer PCI

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wagnerrp:

what continent?

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wagnerrp:

NickHu: ^^^

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NickHu:

Erm, Europe (UK)

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wagnerrp:

do you know if you need a CI card for your service?

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NickHu:

By that, do you mean something like a sky card?

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zzattack`:

how would I go about playing stuff from my media collection (downloaded avi/mkv) in mythfrontend?

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wagnerrp:

sky doesnt support any standard conditional access method

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NickHu:

AFAIK FreeSat = No sort of encryption

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wagnerrp:

you can only use it with their specific hardware

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NickHu:

I want to use it with freesat

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wagnerrp:

for standard dvb-s/2, plenty of cards available for linux

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wagnerrp:

if it works in linux (using the DVB API), it will work in mythtv

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wagnerrp:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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NickHu:

I know that, but could you guys recommend one?

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wagnerrp:

waits all of 3 minutes for an answer... not a record, but close

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jos180:

haha i was just typing what he needed too!!

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wagnerrp:

NickHu: youll need to ask other european users, we cant use DVB-S over here

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wagnerrp:

youll likely see them start to get home from work and become more active in the next hour or so

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wagnerrp:

jos180: meh, we dont support downloaded avi/mkv

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NickHu:

Ah, okay

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NickHu:

I recall someone called justinh or something lived in the UK

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wagnerrp:

he could have just said '(avi/mkv)', and it would have been fine

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NickHu:

CI = Cards that you use for "pay TV" right?

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wagnerrp:

but he had to flaunt the fact they were downloaded, one can only presume illegally

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jos180:

wagnerrp, fair point, never saw the word "downloaded" – i'll give my glasses a clean

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wagnerrp:

NickHu: correct, a PCMCIA card that takes smart card for decryption of paytv

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wagnerrp:

needed for many satellite and cable providers

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wagnerrp:

but if you need one of those, the available cards decreases drastically

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NickHu:

Huh, AFAIK in the UK it's only used for encrypted terrestrial channels

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NickHu:

There aren't any satellite providers other than sky and freesat

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wagnerrp:

im not aware if there are any DVB-T cards slotted for CI

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NickHu:

And as you'd expect, freesat is free ;)

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NickHu:

wagnerrp: Well, all the freesat channels are fine, but some of the "shady" freeview (terrestrial) channels are blacked out with *Encrypted*

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: There are, albeit very uncommon

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Hoochster:

whatup!

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NickHu:

Hey :D

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iamlindoro:

Italy has DVB-T with pay service, and I am pretty sure it's not the only one

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: certainly not enough to make a 'media collection' out of

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Hoochster:

so I pre-ordered my HDHR Prime woot!

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wagnerrp:

oh, you mean slotted DVB-T cards

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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NickHu:

Can someone with experience tell me the best one from the following? http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-S2_PCIe_Cards

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wagnerrp:

well if you dont need a CI slot, dont get one

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iamlindoro:

hahaha

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iamlindoro:

https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . format.h#L27

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wagnerrp:

since those tend to be ridiculously expensive

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wagnerrp:

id like to see the discussion that spurned that response

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NickHu:

http://www.cenfonix.com/product_info.php?curr . . . S2-Dual.html Looks like a good deal? :)

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wagnerrp:

with no picture, based off the title

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wagnerrp:

i can only assume that is an external card reader for the SaTiX-S2 Dual card

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wagnerrp:

not the card itself

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** iamlindoro wonders why NickHu is so intend on buying a card with CI in spite of not needing it and being advised against it **

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iamlindoro:

s/intend/intent/

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iamlindoro:

Anyhoo, #linuxtv would be the better channel to ask about the intricacies of which cards are best supported

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iamlindoro:

Though be prepared to wait on your answer-- it'll just be a better answer

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wagnerrp:

this is what you found... http://www.dvbshop.net/product_info.php/info/ . . . S2-Dual.html

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wagnerrp:

this is the card itself at twice the price... http://www.dvbshop.net/product_info.php/info/ . . . 4-H-264.html

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NickHu:

I thought it would be too good to be true :P

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** iamlindoro grumbles irrably about digital cards which are advertised as somehow "supporting" a codec **

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NickHu:

Are there any considerable advantages of PCIe over PCI for a tuner?

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wagnerrp:

it will work on modern motherboards

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iamlindoro:

There are no advantages, aside from them working on newer motherboards

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wagnerrp:

modern ATX boards usually only have two slots

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NickHu:

PCIe is backwards compatible anyway isn't it?

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wagnerrp:

micro-atx boards only have one or none

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iamlindoro:

ummm no

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wagnerrp:

PCIe 2.0 is compatible with PCIe 1.0

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wagnerrp:

and both will be compatible with PCIe 3.0

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iamlindoro:

But in no way compatible with PCI

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NickHu:

I see

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NickHu:

My motherboard has two unused PCI slots

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wagnerrp:

think of it like how you could plug an AGP 2x card into an AGP 4x slot, but not a PCI slot

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NickHu:

I assume a PCI card is cheaper than a PCIe card no?

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wagnerrp:

PCIe is likely going to be cheaper to produce these days

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mycosys:

(1:57:51 AM) iamlindoro: But in no way compatible with PCI <<< it is called pci for a reason

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wagnerrp:

the only reason you might find a PCI card cheaper is because theyre dumping old stock

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wagnerrp:

serial data connects are inherently cheaper than parallel

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mycosys:

it needs a host controller to convert between the 2, but the system calls are the same

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wagnerrp:

and five years later, theyve got bulk manufacturing on their side as well

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NickHu:

I see

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mycosys:

so they are the same to program, and a PCIe to PCI host controller is relatively trivial

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NickHu:

But I think I'd like to get a hauppauge card

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wagnerrp:

but its one more chip theyve got to tack on

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NickHu:

So, HVR 4000 or NOVA HD S2

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mycosys:

yeah – was just saying about the 'in no way compatible' thing

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NickHu:

The former really has everything, DVB-S/2 DVB-T, analog, composite, etc.

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iamlindoro:

mycosys: Requiring additional hardware is, not me, not direct compatibility

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NickHu:

The Nova only has DVB-S/2

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iamlindoro:

er is, to me

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mycosys:

at a logical level they are, just the signalling is different

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NickHu:

But yet the HVR 4000 is cheaper..

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** iamlindoro leaves the hair splitting to those best suited for it **

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mycosys:

sigh

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mycosys:

is a bit like passing scsi commands over at and calling it atapi i spose, tho they are even more closely related

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mycosys:

scsi system calls work with atapi devices

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NickHu:

Oh, no, actually, scratch that, HVR 4000 is more expensive, stupid anomalous Google Shopper result

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Christopher Meredith says he needs that bitrate because the pirates have decided it's the right way to transcode ;)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, responding as such currently

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Vili_:

Hi

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wagnerrp:

mmm... split rars

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** wagnerrp demands that mythtv be capable of decompressing his split rar media on-the-fly **

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iamlindoro:

Now you've done it-- the next logical reply is "That bringsd to mind a good point-- why can't Myth play directly from my RARs?"

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iamlindoro:

hahaha

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iamlindoro:

exactly

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Vili_:

Is there a problem with MythTV and the channel search? My kaffeine works just fine, but with MythTV I can't really watch any tv

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Vili_:

Shows weak signal and the picture is awfull

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mycosys:

wow wagnerrp, peopel are lazy

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wagnerrp:

mycosys: the thread in question... http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /315461.html

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mycosys:

googlefu ftw lol

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NickHu:

Hmm, does the NOVA HD S2 have composite input?

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wagnerrp:

pretty sure the Nova line is digital only

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mycosys:

ummm – wow

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NickHu:

Hmm, it appears NOVA S Plus is DVB-S and Composite inputs, but S2 is DVB-S/2

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mycosys:

dude doesnt seem to like doin stuff the easy way does he

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NickHu:

You need S2 for HD right?

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iamlindoro:

No

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iamlindoro:

DVB of any format doesn't care about resolution

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mycosys:

you need s2 for s2

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iamlindoro:

However, in the UK I believe that all the HD content is on S2 muxes

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Vili_:

How can I check if MythTV has actually found the channels right or not? This seems really strange behaviour

[16:23:41]

BLZbubba:

bring up the guide?

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mycosys:

wagnerrp: i didnt get the impression her planned to upload the stuff he was transcoding, making the transcode even more bizarre, why encode to a profile designed for transmission over limited bandwidth to a wide audience otherwise :S

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mycosys:

totally bizarre

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Vili_:

BLZbubba: The channels are there and I can sort of watch them, but the quality is awfull

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wagnerrp:

theres nothing about how he was transcoding that makes it designed for transmission

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** mycosys wonders if he uuencodes it too **

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wagnerrp:

the bitrate was chosen so the filesize allows four to fit exactly on one DVD

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mycosys:

ahhhh

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wagnerrp:

which is a worthless prospect

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mycosys:

given they are now about 20c ea esp, and nobody uses em

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mycosys:

and the 700mb size is for a cd

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** mycosys gets it **

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BLZbubba:

Vili_: there is a dtvsignal test to see the signal strength; maybe you need to adjust your antenna?

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BLZbubba:

if i'm more than about 30 degrees off it goes to crap

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mycosys:

better go crash i spose

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mycosys:

night gentle peoples of all genders, and species

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: isnt christopher meredith that 'almost lawyer' from a while back?

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iamlindoro:

Hmm

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iamlindoro:

maybe

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Vili_:

BLZbubba: Its the roof antenna and the tv signal is fine. Kaffeine works fine too.

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Hoochster:

so wanting to replace my master backend is the i5 still the recommended system? I will probably make it a Frontend as well. It is replacing an Athlon X2 4800 I think. I might make it a slave

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wagnerrp:

a 4800+ is still a perfectly worthwhile master backend

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wagnerrp:

reasons for upgrading would be, you want something more energy efficient, you want something more powerful for user jobs, you want something with more memory or hard drive space

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Hoochster:

prob so, noticing it using some swap a lot and am just wanting to stabalize some things, so wanting a 2nd backend to run the hdhr stuff that is up all the time and will redo the 4800 as a slave, it houses my raid array as well but have the pvr150's that aren't as stable and some DVB stuff as well

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Hoochster:

I might add more memory to the 4800 to fix the swapping issue, it has been forever since I refreshed that system so that might fix the swapping anyways but still would like to go back to a master slave setup

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wagnerrp:

if youre noticing swapping, the DDR1 it uses is expensive, and that would be a decent reason to upgrade

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wagnerrp:

an i3 is going to be considerably faster than your 4800

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wagnerrp:

as would a modern Ath II

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Hoochster:

it has 4g ram but just noticing it swapping but it is also my raid array and has a vm on it as well no doubt dedicating will help a lot

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wagnerrp:

with 4GB of memory, you shouldnt be swapping running a backend

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Hoochster:

I did upgrade one frontend to an i3, but still getting some tuner in use issues and stuttering occasionally prob just needs tweaked, I am trying mythbuntu for the first time as well and think I will just go back to compiling myself. seemed to run better, is natty working well ?

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Hoochster:

prob the vm causing the swapping if I were guessing

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wagnerrp:

swapping on your database and disk store would be reason for a frontend to stutter

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Hoochster:

k

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Hoochster:

I think refreshing will help a lot

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Hoochster:

and putting that vm on another system

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Hoochster:

want to put the raid array on its own system too, wanted to get a qnap for it heh but just too pricey heh

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wagnerrp:

no real reason dedicating your raid to its own system, so long as you have enough memory on another one that is on all the time

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Hoochster:

so should leave the raid in the slave and put the db on the master?

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wagnerrp:

if youre building a new master, shove everything in it that you can

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wagnerrp:

no sense breaking things up more than they need to be

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Hoochster:

will have to make sure to get a board with enough sata ports or get a card I guess

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wagnerrp:

sata ports are plentiful these days

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wagnerrp:

easy to find a board with 6, and ones with 10 are not uncommon

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Hoochster:

just figured upgrading to a quad cpu would help with some processing on a master

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Hoochster:

10 would be sweet if it could handle it heh

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Hoochster:

hows natty run myth these days haven't upgraded any of my systems yet

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wagnerrp:

the only processing the master backend really does is the scheduler, which is single threaded

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wagnerrp:

unless youre talking about jobqueue tasks

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Hoochster:

and is it recommended to compile over using mythbuntu?

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Hoochster:

used to do it that way

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Hoochster:

got lazy

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wagnerrp:

depends entirely on your needs

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Hoochster:

have't really gotten into commercial jobbing just cuz it wasn't working well last time I tried but no doubt I bet that works much better now

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Hoochster:

sata3 backwards compatible with sata2?

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Hoochster:

looking at boards

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wagnerrp:

yes

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Hoochster:

6 would get me by but I am almost about to have to add another drive or two so wanting to find more than 6 ports heh

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Hoochster:

but should work fine with a pci sata card would think

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wagnerrp:

no, do not use PCI SATA cards

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Hoochster:

k

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wagnerrp:

are you currently using a PCI SATA card?

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Hoochster:

no

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Hoochster:

found a board with 8

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Hoochster:

pricey heh but guess I am paying to have the ports heh

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wagnerrp:

make sure its the proper socket

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Hoochster:

heh ya

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Hoochster:

still shopping just seeing my options

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Hoochster:

is there a chipset recommended over the other, 1155/1156?

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wagnerrp:

1156 are the old processors, 1155 are the new ones

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Hoochster:

ahh cool thanks for that clarification. I hadn't kept up and used to only buy amd but haven't even kept up with them lately getting too old

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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Beirdo:

seems my IPv6 tunnel at home went down

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Beirdo:

which of course... I find out once I get to work

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Beirdo:

bah

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Beirdo:

but... the DSL seems to still be up

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Beirdo:

heh

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stuartm:

it's baffling how tuner cards are defying the laws of electronics and actually increasing in price over time

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momelod:

I have an issue w/ MythVideo. It seems to only update meta-data on newly added videos. Videos I have had in my system previously never get the meta data.

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momelod:

Is it possible to dump all the metadata and force a refresh ?

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mycosys:

that is how it works momelod

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mycosys:

try running jamu.py to grab for the stuff that doesnt have metadata :)

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momelod:

yeah, did that.. no luck

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wagnerrp:

momelod: in 0.24, content gets a one-time batch run

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momelod:

still only updates new stuff

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wagnerrp:

further batch operations will not run on it

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wagnerrp:

you can optional have this patch processing run when you scan

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momelod:

wagnerrp, which explains my predicament. but how can i force it?

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wagnerrp:

why do you need to force it?

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wagnerrp:

everything gets a once-through on the batch updater

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wagnerrp:

IIRC, that includes stuff you previously had in there before 0.24

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momelod:

I've had this install since 0.21, upgraded each release w/ my OS's packaging software. So some videos are very old and they have no posters

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wagnerrp:

you should have flushed all your content at least for 0.22

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momelod:

I've tried moving my files outside the videos folder, rescanned so that it found "no videos". put the videos back in the folder, rescanned and again now all my previous metadata is gone. Only when i add a new video does it download the metadata.

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mycosys:

evidently he didnt, so is there a way to force a frsh get?

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GreyFoxx:

I used that all the time, (Using W and the menu) but I'll give it a shot as soon as I get home

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GreyFoxx:

oops

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momelod:

"w" does nothing for me..

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wagnerrp:

the batch downloader intentionally does not allow multiple runs, unless the video is reset from the menu

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wagnerrp:

if 'w' does not work, the batch downloader will not work either

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momelod:

is the "batch downloader" jamu?

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wagnerrp:

no

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momelod:

where can I read up on the batch downloader?

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momelod:

I'd like to get it working..

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wagnerrp:

the batch downloader can be run manually through the 'm' menu

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wagnerrp:

or it can be set to run automatically when you scan for content

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momelod:

u mentioned I should have flushed my content. how do i do that?

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wagnerrp:

in any case, it just performs the same operation as 'w', but in batch fashion

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wagnerrp:

if 'w' does not get what youre looking for, the batch downloader will not either

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wagnerrp:

i say you should have flushed your content between 0.21 and 0.22 because of the addition of season and episodes

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wagnerrp:

if you only have movies in your library, dont bother

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momelod:

i have both

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wagnerrp:

if you have tv shows, in a format supported by the filename styles listed on the wiki

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wagnerrp:

re-scanning them will import the series, season, and episode properly

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wagnerrp:

which are required for the metadata grabbers to function

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momelod:

tv shows always get the metadata somehow. its movies that are causing me grief

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momelod:

I am naming my movies as follows: /var/lib/mythtv/videos/Movies/This is a Movie Title/This is a Movie Title.avi

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wagnerrp:

why are you putting it in a directory of the same name?

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momelod:

just trying to trick the grabber into thinking its a new movie that hasnt been scanned

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt work that way

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wagnerrp:

it hashes all content

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momelod:

needless to say, I tried it w/o folders..

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wagnerrp:

so if your content is moved, it recognizes that its the same content in a different location

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wagnerrp:

and updates the location with the existing metadata in the database

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momelod:

even if the file is renamed?

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wagnerrp:

if you want to rescan something, you need to move it completely out of any folder mythvideo knows about, rescan, move it back in, and scan again

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momelod:

cause i have tried that also

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wagnerrp:

yes, that is the purpose of hashing

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momelod:

ahh, i see.

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JEDIDIAH__:

the directory business sounds like the way Windows tools operate.

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momelod:

okay, so i did as you said, moved everything out, scanned, moved it back in, scanned again. ..still no metadata, and thos videos that did have metadata no longer do.

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wagnerrp:

the batch downloader isnt instantaneous, even if you have it enabled

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wagnerrp:

it will take time to run through the new content

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JEDIDIAH__:

is there a sort of "manual watch the verbose debugging output as it flies by" mode for the metadata downloader?

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momelod:

i did this 4 days ago..

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wagnerrp:

if it is running, you should see artwork slowly popping up

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momelod:

the only thing that has metadata are files i've added since than

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momelod:

does it run as a process? would i be able to verify it is running by listing my process list?

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momelod:

can i flush the hashes to force an update?

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momelod:

also, would modifying the timestamp in the filesystem level for the videos cause a new hash?

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Hoochster:

so will I gain anything by getting a motherboard with dual nics to dual home?

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wagnerrp:

not for mythtv's purposes

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Hoochster:

didn't figure as much just didn't know since I am gonna make it my file server as well if it would benefit

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wagnerrp:

you have to get a fairly nice switch before it supports channel bonding

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Hoochster:

I have a very nice switch heh

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Hoochster:

but if there is no advantage on the purpose then no need to spend the extra money on the board

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Hoochster:

still debating on cpu now whether I wanna do just an i3 or an i5 heh

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fbnts:

Hi, I recently had my aerial installed on the roof (it used to be sat on a box in the attic) I was hoping to get an improved signal for my DVB-T card but its about the same. Most the time its ok but I occasionally get 10–15 minutes of interference and I was hoping to find a way to see the exact signal quality etc.

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fbnts:

Does anyone know what the outputs of femon actually mean?

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JEDIDIAH__:

fewer faster cores for software playback or more slower cores for stuff like commflagging and transcoding.

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JEDIDIAH__:

any ideas on building/buying machines that handle the heat better (heat being rooms where the AC might be off most of the time in summer)

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stuartm:

fbnts: signal = strength (in hex values), snr = signal to noise ratio (quality basically), ber = error rate (the frequency of errors in the stream), unc = uncorrected errors (the number of errors that could not be automatically corrected)

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stuartm:

a high ber / unc would be bad, generally meaning a lot of interference

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stuartm:

with digital you don't need an especially high signal strength, it's even possible for it to be too high causing the receiving hardware to overload

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stuartm:

but signal quality and error rates are important

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jos180:

Does anyone know any reason/setting that would make a dvd playing in mythtvideo not fill the screen vertically? If i rip the disk to iso and then play it, it fills the screen as expected. I'm using the Internal player. It's not leaving a large margin and a GUI offset of 1 will fill it (then obviously have to change back to 0 once the disk has finished). Normal tv and recordings are also fine, just actual dvd disks.

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stuartm:

jos180: I'd have to say it was a bug from the description, although not one that I've ever seen or heard of before

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iamlindoro:

Far more likely that different players are actually assigned to ISO v DVD

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stuartm:

well he indicated otherwise, but I'd agree that would be the most likely reason

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stuartm:

I just want the external player option to die already

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jos180:

is there even a setting to have different players assigned? i thought once you set it it would play play all media in mythvideo with Internal one

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iamlindoro:

mythvideo allows you to assign one default player, and a player per extension, which overrides the default

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iamlindoro:

It also permits you to set a player for physical DVD disks

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Did you try out my patch?

[19:43:42]

iamlindoro:

My suggestion is that one or more of those many settings are not set to Internal

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stuartm:

there is, it's an additional layer of complexity and source of confusion which dates from a time when the internal player had issues with a small number of codecs

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Beirdo:

J-e-f-f-A: I have it ready to try, but haven't run it yet

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iamlindoro:

Utilities/Setup->Setup->Media Settings->Video Settings->Player Settings

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iamlindoro:

and

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iamlindoro:

Utilities/Setup->Setup->Media Settings->Video Settings->File Types

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jos180:

i amlindoro: i'l double check my settings. thanks.

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J-e-f-f-A:

cool. ;-)

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iamlindoro:

np

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Beirdo:

and at the moment my tunnel to home is down, so it will have to wait until I get home :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: I'm sure you can clean it up a bit. ;-)

[19:48:33]

Beirdo:

oh likely :)

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Beirdo:

and thanks :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

np. ;-)

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Beirdo:

I think i'll go hunt down some lunch

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jos180:

iamlindoro: everything is already set to Internal

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skd5aner:

Apparently, the CDC are taking their cameo in "The Walking Dead" very seriously now – http://emergency.cdc.gov/socialmedia/zombies_blog.asp

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jos180:

it's doing it with iso files now too, although not as large. weird. i'll go do some more digging in the settings, make sure i've not changed anything

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JEDIDIAH__:

you can also set the video player per file in mythvideo.

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JEDIDIAH__:

different frontends can have different settings too.

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jos180:

it's a joint backend/frontend and it seems to have trouble drawing over the taskbars from the desktop when you first start mythtv

[20:44:58]

** justinh thought the external players would've died by now **

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justinh:

er I mean the options for em.. bit much to expect mplayer to drag itself off somewhere

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JEDIDIAH__:

external players exist to play what myth can't.

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justinh:

what can't myth play now? Can't be much, surely

[21:12:46]

skd5aner:

baseball

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skd5aner:

piano

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skd5aner:

the radio (although, once upon a time...)

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justinh:

oh yeah.. and chess :D

[21:13:51]

justinh:

cue rambo3 coming in

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iamlindoro:

think I might have banned him

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iamlindoro:

!seen rambo3

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MythLogBot:

rambo3 was last seen 42 days 11 hours 25 minutes 36 seconds ago

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iamlindoro:

maybe not

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iamlindoro:

!seen joomla_user

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MythLogBot:

joomla_user was last seen 942 days 3 hours 39 minutes 7 seconds ago

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

Guess he hasn't used that nick in a while

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skd5aner:

If mythtv could play Chess, I'd likely put it in 2.0x timestretch mode first

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justinh:

hang on, maybe he was only talking about a DVD of the musical.. d'oh!

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stuartm:

hey, I've given very serious thought to writing a chess plug-in

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

it could be fun

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Beirdo:

especially if you make it with a central server so we can play other mythtv users :0

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stuartm:

wouldn't be hard to do so long as you use a third party engine

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Beirdo:

yeah, gnuchess or something

[21:33:28]

stuartm:

first had the idea back when I wanted to demo some of the mythui capabilities

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Beirdo:

have it come up in the OSD "Your turn in chess game vs. stuartm"

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Beirdo:

hehe

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stuartm:

it was between chess or sudoko, because both could use a grid layout button list

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Beirdo:

:)

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justinh:

I gave quite serious thought to doing a sudoku plugin too, and then my life's spare time vanished into a black hole

[21:41:12]

justinh:

maybe when I move back up 'real' North I'll get more free time, who knows

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justinh:

who's up for MythThermoNuclearWar then?

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iamlindoro:

The only way to win is not to program at all

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justinh:

hahaha

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stuartm:

I think we've already played a few rounds of that so far ...

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DeviceZer0:

im trying to get to the bottom of some shows not showing up as hd. i contacted SD and got a response to check the ram xml by visiting the get and using the "getdata" url. however when im searching that i do not see the shows im looking for. for example the show pawn stars airing on jun 2nd is not showing up in mythtv as hd...and when i search for "pawn" in the raw xml its not showing anything.

[21:54:49]

DeviceZer0:

any ideas why its not showing anything at all?

[21:54:58]

DeviceZer0:

the url im using is: http://www.schedulesdirect.org/getdata

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DeviceZer0:

and i also cannot find the program id myth lists; Program ID: EP011594940115

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DeviceZer0:

the email i got from SD: http://pastebin.com/e8qwvaC5

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justinh:

DeviceZer0: case sensitive?

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stuartm:

I let my subscription lapse so I can't help there

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DeviceZer0:

justinh, nope. made sure it was looking for non case.

[22:04:09]

DeviceZer0:

does the getdata api have options? maybe its only getting data for today?

[22:04:16]

DeviceZer0:

i cant seem to find info on google.

[22:04:41]

DeviceZer0:

i do see this in the xml near the top:

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DeviceZer0:

<xtvd from='2011-05–19T22:01:35Z' to='2011-05–19T22:02:05Z'

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stuartm:

DeviceZer0: the SD api only returns data for the requested dates to conserve bandwidth

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stuartm:

so without any arguments to /getdata you will only get todays data

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DeviceZer0:

stuartm, ah makes sense. But i cant seem to find info on the api's....

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DeviceZer0:

i dont see any thing on my sd account or in google results.

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stuartm:

I should have a copy of the api documentation here somewhere, but xris might be able to give a quicker response

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xris:

mythfilldatabase -dd-grab-all?

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DeviceZer0:

for something that is made to get scrapped....im surprised finding the api is not easy..unles they made it that way on purpose?...the api is public right?

[22:09:26]

Beirdo:

scrapped? huh?

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xris:

datadirect API link should be in the SD forum

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stuartm:

DeviceZer0: applications need to get approval to use the API to prevent abuse by commercial entities, SD license the data from TMS on very strict terms

[22:10:21]

DeviceZer0:

xris, im trying to look into the raw xml to get to the bottom of a issue with shows not being marked as hd. the ppl at sd asked me to....but using the getdata function its only returning so much data dnt he shows im having issues with are no in them

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xris:

and no, it's not "public".. TMS keeps a fairly tight hold on things. SD has special permission to post the docs

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DeviceZer0:

xris, ah hmm. let me look again

[22:10:47]

DeviceZer0:

ah

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stuartm:

DeviceZer0: so I assume that's why there is no direct link to the documentation on the main site

[22:10:53]

DeviceZer0:

yea

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xris:

DeviceZer0: "people at sd"? who?

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stuartm:

xris: well obviously not you ;)

[22:12:26]

DeviceZer0:

xris, Robert Kulagowski

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xris:

DeviceZer0: ok, just curious. robert k is a mythtv dev. robert e is the xmltv organizer. or me. I'm useless these days, though.

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DeviceZer0:

hehe

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DeviceZer0:

im not seeing any thing on the sd forum about getdata options.

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DeviceZer0:

http://forums.schedulesdirect.org/viewtopic.p . . . etdata#p1593

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stuartm:

!seen rkulagow

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MythLogBot:

rkulagow was last seen 144 days 17 hours 34 minutes 11 seconds ago

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xris:

the getdata URL is a manual test page, for use in a browser

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DeviceZer0:

yea

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xris:

it only returns a small amount of data

[22:15:32]

DeviceZer0:

yea. and that data does not contain the shows that im having issues with.

[22:15:59]

xris:

you may be better off testing stuff with mythfilldatabase directly

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DeviceZer0:

hmm yea. But the guy asked me to check the raw xml so we can rule out application error.

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xris:

I forget the option to make it not clean up after itself, though

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DeviceZer0:

oh.

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xris:

so you can look at the raw xml

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DeviceZer0:

like have it get data and keep xml

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xris:

yeah

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DeviceZer0:

im not seeing anythign in "mythfill --help" aboutkeeping

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xris:

just checked the code. the getdata page doesn't take args, just defaults to today

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xris:

ah, no.. defaults to *now*.. 30 seconds worth of data

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DeviceZer0:

hmm. well maybe i should just email him back and explain this. maybe he can provide further info

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xris:

to keep page response fast

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xris:

if you can wait until this evening, I might have some time to add a longer time frame to that page

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DeviceZer0:

well...the shows im having issues with are a few days away

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DeviceZer0:

so not sure you will be able to bump it up that much hehe...if they are only providing 30 seconds of data

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xris:

try mfdb with --dd-grab-all and control-C when it's processing the data

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xris:

that's usually a 10+ minute job, so it should be easy to catch. the file lives somewhere under /tmp

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DeviceZer0:

that would be after it does its downloading thing and i would see a spike in cpu?

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xris:

you should see what it's doing on the commandline

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xris:

run in debug verbose mode if you want

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DeviceZer0:

ah ok. gonna give that a shot. i also just fired off a email to him asking if there is a better way to get data for a certain time period.,

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DeviceZer0:

wow. -v all sure is verbose!

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DeviceZer0:

lol

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DeviceZer0:

hmm...im not seeing it in /tmp

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stuartm:

yeah, I really wouldn't recommend ever using -v all

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stuartm:

DeviceZer0: check ~/tmp/

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DeviceZer0:

no folder

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xris:

doubt robert will know. he doesn't have access to the website code, and people here are probably just as capable at debugging mfdb as he is.

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DeviceZer0:

nothing in /var/tmp either

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DeviceZer0:

xris, ah. figured it wouldnt hurt

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DeviceZer0:

the data isnt pvbx-<random>.dat files?

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xris:

no clue. you should have seen some output from wget

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DeviceZer0:

i think -v all is to much

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stuartm:

-v file,xmltv should be enough if the logging includes the info you are after

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Beirdo:

bah

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Beirdo:

these two free 160G drives are OEM. Seagate won't tell me if they even have any warranty

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Beirdo:

stupid Dell

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echosyp:

so, i just bought two hdpvr's got them all hooked up to my backend, i can cat /dev/video0 as well as /dev/video1 but the frontend just shows a blank screen

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echosyp:

also, im having a problem with lirc

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