| Wednesday, May 18th, 2011, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:07] | hoolio: | yep, that's what i did at my place as it happens |
| [00:00:53] | hoolio: | but my question is, will myth generally work ok over wireless |
| [00:01:04] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [00:01:36] | wagnerrp: | N generally has sufficient bandwidth for one or two HD frontends |
| [00:01:44] | wagnerrp: | but wireless is simply not reliable |
| [00:01:48] | wagnerrp: | you will have dropouts |
| [00:01:57] | Beirdo: | which means, you will have cursing |
| [00:01:57] | wagnerrp: | 5GHz gear is better than 2.4GHz |
| [00:02:08] | wagnerrp: | but then youre going to have more problems going through internal walls |
| [00:02:13] | hoolio: | ok, why not? |
| [00:02:13] | hoolio: | k |
| [00:02:39] | wagnerrp: | if you can run wires, run wires... its that simple |
| [00:02:48] | hoolio: | that's how i feel too |
| [00:02:51] | wagnerrp: | and if you cant run wires, youre simply not thinking creatively enough |
| [00:02:58] | hoolio: | :) :) |
| [00:03:00] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [00:03:13] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [00:04:50] | hoolio: | he's talking about moving the backend away from the ADSL connection into a back room where it's quiet |
| [00:05:07] | wagnerrp: | then move the adsl connection too |
| [00:05:11] | wagnerrp: | phone lines are easy |
| [00:05:21] | hoolio: | in a house of 4 internet users, 2 heavy users; all that traffic will also be going over wireless |
| [00:05:21] | hoolio: | yeah |
| [00:05:22] | Beirdo: | well, wireless from the backend to the internet isn't an issue |
| [00:05:40] | Beirdo: | it's backend <-> frontend that needs to be wired |
| [00:06:04] | Beirdo: | of course, simplest to wire it all |
| [00:06:15] | hoolio: | no, but he'll have 4 or 5 devices all trying to use wireless |
| [00:06:15] | hoolio: | and he's planning on mymote as a remote control, which also relies on wireless |
| [00:07:11] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: sure, but if youre putting a backend and a network switch in a closet somewhere, why not put the modem there too? |
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| [00:07:33] | hoolio: | how can i make him see sense? |
| [00:07:35] | Beirdo: | true ;) |
| [00:07:43] | Beirdo: | beat him with a 2x4 |
| [00:07:48] | hoolio: | :) |
| [00:07:49] | Beirdo: | oh wait, that's see starts |
| [00:07:53] | Beirdo: | stars |
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| [00:11:53] | ** awalls agrees that a 2x4 makes a good LART ** | |
| [00:12:04] | wagnerrp: | how could i possibly segfault on 'if (job != NULL)' |
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| [00:13:18] | awalls: | Invalid pointers need not be NULL |
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| [00:13:44] | wagnerrp: | but theyve got to be something |
| [00:13:59] | wagnerrp: | it may give a false positive, and a subsequent line fails |
| [00:14:06] | wagnerrp: | but that line should never be able to fail |
| [00:14:30] | awalls: | If job == 0x1 you will sgefault |
| [00:14:46] | awalls: | /segfault/ |
| [00:15:13] | awalls: | if job == 0x2 you will segfault |
| [00:15:19] | awalls: | etc. |
| [00:15:38] | wagnerrp: | i dont see why |
| [00:16:14] | Beirdo: | because they are still invalid addresses |
| [00:16:30] | Beirdo: | it's segfaulting on the if?! |
| [00:16:31] | awalls: | because the space of bad pointers in a program is not just 0x0, but any pointer that points to memory that is a valid address |
| [00:16:45] | awalls: | grr, invalid address. |
| [00:17:10] | awalls: | got to go. |
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| [00:17:27] | wagnerrp: | i can attempt to use the pointer to an invalid address, and segfault |
| [00:17:32] | wagnerrp: | but the if itself should not fail |
| [00:17:36] | Beirdo: | agreed |
| [00:17:40] | wagnerrp: | since thats just an integer comparison |
| [00:17:51] | Beirdo: | unless that's not acutally job but rather blah->job |
| [00:17:55] | Beirdo: | and blah is null |
| [00:18:36] | wagnerrp: | i actually think i screwed up there |
| [00:18:46] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [00:18:51] | wagnerrp: | ran mythbackend before gmake&&gmake install was finished |
| [00:18:54] | Beirdo: | it's been known to happen before |
| [00:18:56] | wagnerrp: | so it segfaulted on the old code |
| [00:18:59] | Beirdo: | oooh |
| [00:19:03] | wagnerrp: | and gdb reported the line from the new code |
| [00:19:07] | Beirdo: | which you then looked up with the new code |
| [00:19:08] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [00:19:19] | Beirdo: | OK, that would make more sense to me |
| [00:19:50] | wagnerrp: | anyway, that seems to be fixed |
| [00:20:01] | wagnerrp: | i can now remotely queue jobs using the python bindings |
| [00:20:10] | Beirdo: | yay |
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| [00:20:37] | Beirdo: | now, please add to mythweb a "flag commercials" button in the recording view :) |
| [00:20:40] | Twiggy2cents: | wagnerrp, were you not a big smallville fan? |
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| [00:21:05] | singlegirlarity: | is it possible to launch mythfrontend in a window and then shrink it to any arbitrary size? |
| [00:21:09] | Twiggy2cents: | I do have to say that after a while it turned into more drama than action |
| [00:21:27] | wagnerrp: | Twiggy2cents: i used to watch it |
| [00:21:39] | wagnerrp: | but somewhere around season 5–6, i grew to hate all the characters |
| [00:21:45] | wagnerrp: | and just wanted then to die gruesomely |
| [00:21:46] | Twiggy2cents: | singlegirlarity, I think mythfrontend -w |
| [00:22:28] | Twiggy2cents: | Yeah I just put too much time into it to quit. But the finale tied all the knots and ended with clark becoming "super man" |
| [00:22:41] | wagnerrp: | singlegirlarity: you can have mythfrontend run in a window of a size of your choosing, either from the database or from the command line |
| [00:22:49] | wagnerrp: | but mythfrontend is not dynamically resizeable |
| [00:22:53] | Beirdo: | 612 programs, using 2 TB (573 hrs 16 mins) out of 3.6 TB (2 TB free). |
| [00:22:55] | singlegirlarity: | okay |
| [00:22:56] | Beirdo: | UGH! |
| [00:22:59] | singlegirlarity: | yea, I see that in mythfrontend --help |
| [00:23:41] | wagnerrp: | if you want to reset it, you will either need to restart the frontend, or have the UI reset itself by going through the relevant options screens |
| [00:24:33] | wagnerrp: | NCIS has... stopped recording... |
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| [00:24:38] | wagnerrp: | WTF is going on? |
| [00:24:41] | wagnerrp: | two nights in a row |
| [00:24:51] | Beirdo: | your backend don't like you |
| [00:26:03] | wagnerrp: | seems it hit a bad frame and terminated about 10 minutes in |
| [00:26:18] | Beirdo: | you need a better antenna? |
| [00:26:25] | Twiggy2cents: | Does myth have problem recovering from that? |
| [00:26:40] | Beirdo: | or just to go slap some station people with a large trout? |
| [00:26:43] | wagnerrp: | mythcommflag dropped shortly after that |
| [00:26:50] | Twiggy2cents: | I had one that stopped recording 8 minutes into it and at like 14 minutes the log said something about bad frame |
| [00:26:51] | wagnerrp: | i dont use an antenna, i use cable |
| [00:27:02] | Beirdo: | commflag can drop, that shouldn't stop recording |
| [00:27:11] | Beirdo: | you commflag *during* recording? |
| [00:27:16] | wagnerrp: | it dropped because it hit the end of the recording |
| [00:27:19] | wagnerrp: | it dropped cleanly |
| [00:27:20] | Beirdo: | ooooh |
| [00:27:23] | Beirdo: | OK |
| [00:27:40] | ** Beirdo confused cause and effect there for a moment ** | |
| [00:28:08] | Twiggy2cents: | How fast does a good backend commflag? FPS wise |
| [00:28:20] | Beirdo: | as fast as possible |
| [00:28:27] | Twiggy2cents: | lol |
| [00:28:29] | Beirdo: | it depends on the source material |
| [00:28:58] | Beirdo: | mine will do about 30fps on 1080i H.264, but about 450fps on SD MPEG2 |
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| [00:29:08] | Twiggy2cents: | Mine does it at 60–70fps :) |
| [00:29:28] | Beirdo: | does "it" is very non-specific |
| [00:29:31] | Twiggy2cents: | On 720p or 1080 i mpeg2 |
| [00:30:11] | wagnerrp: | ok, moving my HDHR over to my SBE |
| [00:30:33] | Beirdo: | I think 1080i MPEG2, I get about 90fps, 720p, around 200fps |
| [00:30:39] | Twiggy2cents: | On my p4 BE while recording another episode. |
| [00:30:43] | wagnerrp: | lets see if it behaves better |
| [00:30:48] | Beirdo: | but H.264 is sloooow |
| [00:31:25] | Twiggy2cents: | It was slow if I wanted to watch the episode soon after it ended, but with the flag while recording option on I have no issues |
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| [00:32:44] | Beirdo: | oh, and I do 4 commflags concurrently. :) |
| [00:33:21] | wagnerrp: | well its now recording on the SBE |
| [00:33:25] | Beirdo: | sigh. Top Gear just segfaulted a commflag |
| [00:33:28] | Twiggy2cents: | lol my BE would explode if I did that |
| [00:33:45] | wagnerrp: | and oddly, it took sufficiently long for the recording to start that the new commflag failed due to lack of data |
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| [00:33:52] | Beirdo: | I'm gonna have to go fix something again, I just know it |
| [00:34:02] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if my switch is flaking out, or maybe my tuner |
| [00:35:03] | Beirdo: | well, tis time for buggering off... and going home and restarting the PPC buildslave |
| [00:35:25] | hoolio: | is 'flag while recording' less processor intensive? |
| [00:35:52] | wagnerrp: | hoolio: only in so much as the commflagger can only flag in real time |
| [00:38:05] | Twiggy2cents: | It seems that commflagging has issues with B & W recordings(color commercials though) |
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| [00:42:32] | NewBuntu81: | in Mythbuntu 10.10, do you have to recompile mythtv to enable vdpau? |
| [00:43:20] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [00:43:40] | Twiggy2cents: | vdpau is enabled, XvMC is not |
| [00:44:06] | NewBuntu81: | ok, so do I just select the vdpau in the playback section? |
| [00:44:30] | wagnerrp: | if you have a compatible card |
| [00:44:38] | NewBuntu81: | i have little specs from time to time. was reading up on the various options such as vdpauskipchroma, vdpaudenoise, etc. |
| [00:44:45] | NewBuntu81: | yep, GeForce 8400 GS |
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| [01:02:12] | NewBuntu81: | On a P4 2.8 Ghz cpu, I run about 96% cpu in CPU++. Once installing the 8400 GS video card, running in VDPAU Normal, I'm running about 80%. Hmmm, is something not activated? I'd have thought it would have dropped CPU usage to maybe 30%? |
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| [01:03:22] | Twiggy2cents: | NewBuntu81, maybe try use events |
| [01:05:39] | wagnerrp: | you should not be running CPU++, but rather Slim |
| [01:05:50] | wagnerrp: | and if youre using VDPAU, it should drop to around 5% |
| [01:06:08] | NewBuntu81: | Right, I meant CPU++ prior to installing the new card. It was about 96% cpu usage. |
| [01:06:38] | wagnerrp: | yes, you should have been using slim, not cpu++ |
| [01:06:39] | NewBuntu81: | If the 8400 GS card does much of the processing, approximately what % should the cpu usage be when using vdpau? 30? 20? 50? |
| [01:07:04] | wagnerrp: | under 10% |
| [01:07:05] | NewBuntu81: | ah. cpu++ gave me the best results prior to the new card though. :-) |
| [01:07:16] | wagnerrp: | what card did you have? |
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| [01:08:19] | NewBuntu81: | the one built into the motherboard...dell optiplex. |
| [01:08:31] | wagnerrp: | so that would be... intel? |
| [01:08:33] | Twiggy2cents: | NewBuntu81, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/NVidiaProprietaryD . . . gh_CPU_Usage |
| [01:08:37] | NewBuntu81: | everything played fine, it just used the cpu to the max... |
| [01:08:38] | pladijs: | is it just me or is xfce4 a pain to configure? if i want to run my FE in a WM supporting virtual desktops and a panel, any suggestions? i'd like something where i can use a startup script to control what is happening (for example wait to startup the FE until the BE is running) |
| [01:08:42] | Twiggy2cents: | That might be worth checking into |
| [01:10:33] | NewBuntu81: | Intel 82865G is the onboard card. |
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| [01:24:37] | Twiggy2cents: | NCIS LA yayyy cloud (Sky drive) |
| [01:25:27] | wagnerrp: | yes, because they would be using microsoft's cloud |
| [01:26:16] | Twiggy2cents: | Is skydrive a cloud storage or remote access to storage? |
| [01:28:24] | NewBuntu81: | i got rid of the "specs" by setting the resolution back to 1024 x 768 |
| [01:28:33] | NewBuntu81: | but the processor is still near 80%. hmm |
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| [04:06:26] | Beirdo: | Hawaii 50 playin on my frontend... f un |
| [04:06:53] | Beirdo: | ewww, sponsored by Windows 7?! |
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| [04:11:20] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: we just got scanned by yandex, number one search site in kazakhstan |
| [04:11:52] | hoolio: | kazakhstan |
| [04:12:00] | hoolio: | didn't know they had internet in kazakhstan |
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| [04:14:50] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: there are a /lot/ of people pulling rss feeds of the timeline |
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| [04:15:16] | wagnerrp: | heres one from 'Motorola', and 'Jakarta Commons' immediately afterwards on the same IP |
| [04:16:29] | wagnerrp: | same user trying again, slightly different address |
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| [04:18:49] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [04:33:11] | Beirdo: | PPC still building |
| [04:33:38] | Beirdo: | poor little thing :) |
| [04:33:53] | Beirdo: | and yeah, I bumped the power connector off the laptop |
| [04:34:15] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [04:34:57] | Beirdo: | on my Powerbook G4... so the PPC buildslave went off-air all day today |
| [04:34:58] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:35:31] | wagnerrp: | one of those magsafe connectors? or just a loose one? |
| [04:35:44] | Beirdo: | just a loose one, like an RCA connector |
| [04:35:48] | Beirdo: | pre-magsafe |
| [04:36:14] | Beirdo: | they've always been prone to being easily disconnected though |
| [04:45:53] | Beirdo: | hmm |
| [04:46:06] | Beirdo: | some headhunter emailed today.. too bad it's in San Jose |
| [04:46:57] | Beirdo: | don't wanna move, especially not to the Bay Area |
| [04:48:08] | wagnerrp: | yeah, crazy people running around the streets like madmen |
| [04:48:21] | Beirdo: | hehe, or biking. |
| [04:48:28] | ** Beirdo hides ** | |
| [04:49:25] | Beirdo: | I'm happy in Seattle, thanks. |
| [04:52:47] | wagnerrp: | HAHAHAHA |
| [04:53:02] | wagnerrp: | watched the second half of ncis that i managed to record |
| [04:53:12] | wagnerrp: | guy gets shot... falls off a building... |
| [04:53:19] | wagnerrp: | lands on a car |
| [04:53:27] | wagnerrp: | never fails, they always hit a car |
| [04:53:52] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:54:07] | Beirdo: | getting a bit cliche |
| [04:57:17] | wagnerrp: | and the 21 gun salute... |
| [04:57:33] | wagnerrp: | which is reserved for heads of state and high level generals (like 3+) |
| [04:58:01] | Beirdo: | you sure they didn't do a 19-gun or something? |
| [04:58:18] | wagnerrp: | 19? |
| [04:58:48] | Beirdo: | I dunno, fewer just to make it less than 21 :) |
| [04:59:09] | wagnerrp: | they do 9, 3 of 3, instead of 3 of 7 |
| [05:00:30] | Beirdo: | k, makes sense |
| [05:04:28] | hoolio: | anyone know how i can get firefox 3.x on ubuntu 11.04? |
| [05:04:42] | hoolio: | I've been running without my favorite plugin and i've had enough |
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| [05:47:41] | Beirdo: | OK, the circuit boards are now in Oakland |
| [05:47:47] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:48:15] | Beirdo: | wish I could get air miles for the flights they've been on |
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| [06:02:05] | Beirdo: | Seems that the airport in the ocean at Osaka is still operational |
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| [06:28:55] | justinh: | well, that's a customer service issue raised with vistaprint. tshirts I had printed were off-colour. I thought that #ff0000 would be easy to reproduce but no, they came out orange |
| [06:29:14] | Beirdo: | hahaha |
| [06:29:25] | Beirdo: | how can they get orange from pure red? |
| [06:29:50] | justinh: | that's what I'm trying to find out |
| [06:30:16] | justinh: | the white came out nice & bright, so it's not a problem caused by the fabric |
| [06:30:44] | justinh: | the resolution is great too. just the red is not red. it is on the round sticky label on the tshirts though |
| [06:31:27] | justinh: | makes it look like it's been through about 4 dozen washes already |
| [06:32:14] | AndyCap: | they screwed up the cmyk conversion? |
| [06:32:28] | justinh: | AndyCap: could be |
| [06:32:52] | Beirdo: | takes effort to mess it up that bad, I'd think |
| [06:33:38] | justinh: | I mean I know the process probably has limitations but I wasn't expecting it to be perfect |
| [06:37:17] | justinh: | it's very likely cmyk conversion – or a lack of it but their upload code should check & warn you IMHO |
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| [06:37:47] | justinh: | if it's good enough to be able to show you a preview of the finished goods they can check the profile |
| [06:38:14] | justinh: | ach well, if I don't get to re-order or refund I'll just consider it a lesson learned. didn't cost me much |
| [06:38:54] | Beirdo: | proud new owner of some Orange Hat shirts? |
| [06:39:29] | justinh: | it's not orange orange.. it's just orangeY |
| [06:40:04] | justinh: | yeah it's all here in the helpful info.. make sure your uploads are CMYK |
| [06:40:22] | sid3windr: | CMYK, it's fun to stay at the CMYK, ... |
| [06:40:53] | justinh: | it's one click to fix that.. pity it's more than one click to fix the shirts |
| [06:42:10] | justinh: | oh for hell's sakes. last few club posts haven't been posted to the FB page. gah. I had it working! |
| [06:48:59] | justinh: | Oh Ken, FFS why do you even bother? http://www.newtonheathdtc.co.uk/obedience-results |
| [06:49:55] | justinh: | he was the guy who posted to advertise a fun day at the club with "come along and see us itll be a great day". |
| [06:49:57] | mycosys: | ken oath? |
| [06:50:38] | justinh: | nope. our doggy club ken. he's not a wordy bloke, apparently |
| [06:51:24] | justinh: | mind, it's not as bad as one blog post I stumbled upon the other day. All lowercase, no punctuation, no paragraphs, and ran to about 1500 words. And it wasn't spam |
| [06:52:13] | justinh: | sod it. I'm editing the post to actually say something |
| [06:53:00] | Beirdo: | I think you care too much :) |
| [06:53:03] | sid3windr: | come along and see us it'll be a great dane! |
| [06:53:27] | Beirdo: | and I think I'll be heading to bed too |
| [06:53:30] | Beirdo: | night |
| [06:53:40] | sid3windr: | night Beirdo |
| [06:53:50] | justinh: | it's hard to read when it's not actual words, and that's the whole point of the site :) |
| [06:53:56] | mycosys: | nite beardo |
| [06:53:56] | justinh: | neight beirdo |
| [06:54:01] | justinh: | wth? lol |
| [06:54:23] | mycosys: | lol typo cross freudian slip |
| [06:58:29] | justinh: | Ahhh wrong setting, which is why the posts hadn't appeared on the wall. And people say mythtv has too many settings. "Unless changed, Posts will be published on the Facebook belonging to :" |
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| [07:18:13] | justinh: | part of me wishes Facebook would just die in a fire |
| [07:19:04] | ** AndyCap likes this ** | |
| [07:19:07] | AndyCap: | :> |
| [07:19:52] | justinh: | and to think, it's all the fault of hippies |
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| [07:51:26] | justinh: | oof we been trumped at a security awards thingy. 'up to 51 MP' CCTV camera array. Holy poop |
| [07:51:44] | justinh: | how the hell are they going to transmit/store that?! |
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| [07:53:38] | mycosys: | wow |
| [07:53:49] | mycosys: | use the cern network? |
| [07:54:10] | justinh: | even compressed to h.264 that's a whole lotta bandwidth |
| [07:54:24] | mycosys: | uhuh |
| [07:55:02] | justinh: | actually, even compressing that to h.264 is a whole lotta.. erm.. hmm. thinks... are they even capable of doing that? |
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| [08:00:49] | justinh: | whois mythtv.info |
| [08:01:24] | justinh: | heh a mirror of the wiki |
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| [09:46:18] | justinh: | smooph1: fix your internet connection |
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| [11:03:43] | justinh: | heh and still no ML announcement |
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| [12:02:39] | skd5aner: | justinh: mythtv.info I believe was the domain a user had setup to run the original non-affiliated wiki that mythtv agreed to pull inhouse under the .org domain about a year or 2 later |
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| [13:12:43] | ripthejacker: | hi everyone |
| [13:12:43] | ripthejacker: | please help me setup mythtv |
| [13:12:43] | ripthejacker: | i have been trying to do this for days |
| [13:12:43] | ripthejacker: | conexant cx23102 chipset |
| [13:12:43] | ripthejacker: | nxp tda18211hd tuner |
| [13:14:41] | wagnerrp: | and the card itself? |
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| [13:15:15] | ripthejacker: | Enter |
| [13:15:20] | ripthejacker: | its a local brand |
| [13:16:17] | wagnerrp: | do you have a /dev/dvb/adapter0 ? |
| [13:16:59] | ripthejacker: | there is no foder dvb |
| [13:17:22] | ripthejacker: | *folder |
| [13:17:42] | wagnerrp: | if your card is not recognized by any installed tuner driver, we cant help you |
| [13:17:42] | ripthejacker: | linux is not detecting the tuner card |
| [13:17:48] | wagnerrp: | we only use tuner cards, we dont support them |
| [13:17:52] | wagnerrp: | try #linuxtv |
| [13:18:13] | ripthejacker: | ok thank you |
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| [13:28:13] | wagnerrp: | 3TB hitachi for $120 on newegg |
| [13:29:38] | justinh: | transcoding gets another knife in its back :) |
| [13:29:58] | wagnerrp: | nah, same knife |
| [13:30:07] | wagnerrp: | just means 3TB drives are now as cheap as 2TB drives |
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| [13:37:28] | wagnerrp: | justinh: you know anything about freebsd jails? |
| [13:37:54] | justinh: | don't know much about freebsd end of story :) |
| [13:38:03] | wagnerrp: | basic concept anyway... |
| [13:38:13] | wagnerrp: | its like a chroot on steroids |
| [13:38:54] | wagnerrp: | theres a thread on their mailing list going on two weeks of activity over a 'security flaw' |
| [13:39:44] | wagnerrp: | since its the same filesystem, a root in the jail can set the setuid bit on an executable, which can then be run by a user outside the jail for privilege escalation |
| [13:40:07] | wagnerrp: | its amusing watching the two sides, one says 'this is a terrible flaw that needs to be fixed now' |
| [13:40:28] | wagnerrp: | the other side says 'dont be an idoit, fix your da** broken configuration' |
| [13:40:37] | justinh: | heh |
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| [13:53:40] | bradd: | is the users mailing list down/broken? |
| [13:54:11] | justinh: | I dunno, I set it to never send me email |
| [13:55:02] | justinh: | nobody wants to send a 'test' message to the list incase they look like an idiot :) |
| [13:55:28] | bradd: | i sent a message and it didnt go trhough which is why i figured id ask here |
| [13:55:42] | justinh: | didn't go through to where? |
| [13:57:11] | bradd: | mythtv-users@mythtv.org |
| [13:57:34] | justinh: | oh you mean it was bounced back? |
| [13:57:52] | bradd: | no..it was accepted but i have not seen it get delivered to the mailing list yet |
| [13:57:57] | bradd: | May 18 12:47:20 compton postfix/smtp[93814]: 7EF6B3C6000: to=<mythtv-users@mythtv.org >, relay=www.mythtv.org[184.106.209.209]:25, delay=1.4, delays=0.41/0.26/0.58/0.18, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as 84067AE8DC4) |
| [13:58:46] | bradd: | timestamp is UTC |
| [13:59:46] | justinh: | http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /thread.html is it there? |
| [14:00:32] | bradd: | nope |
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| [14:06:52] | justinh: | so I'd say maybe the list is broken then :) |
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| [14:10:04] | wagnerrp: | we rebooted the server last night due to load |
| [14:10:10] | wagnerrp: | seems the mail server never got brought back up |
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| [14:13:44] | dewman: | I was wondering where my 8am mythtv email was.... ;) |
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| [14:20:43] | bradd: | cool thanks for the info |
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| [14:21:04] | dewman: | mail server is back... woohoo.. |
| [14:21:25] | iamlindoro: | awww mannnn |
| [14:21:33] | iamlindoro: | It was such a pleasant morning for my inbox... |
| [14:22:53] | wagnerrp: | seems mailman takes a while to trickle through the (likely very large) list of addresses |
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| [14:23:50] | iamlindoro: | yeah, we run it here at work, it seems to pace itself |
| [14:24:17] | wagnerrp: | anthony giggins, youre a tool |
| [14:24:24] | dewman: | I have a mail lady...She is super slow... |
| [14:25:42] | justinh: | try living in the UK. Sometimes mail doesn't arrive til 2pm or later |
| [14:25:47] | justinh: | if it arrives at all |
| [14:26:03] | wagnerrp: | so, the mailing list is right on time then |
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| [14:37:39] | wagnerrp: | jafa2: is SD going to be putting up a 'copy freely' lineup, like you already do for unencrypted channels? |
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| [17:19:51] | wagnerrp: | i really hate it when people 'cc' me to stuff on the mailing liist |
| [17:20:12] | wagnerrp: | the mailman software knows not to send you a second copy when that happens |
| [17:20:29] | wagnerrp: | and the one that i get from the user itself doesnt have the proper headers to get filtered correctly |
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| [19:07:16] | trumee: | in my area i have frequent power cuts. When that happens my settop box switches off. Myth BE itself is on a UPS, and so it records a blank video off the settop box. Is there any way to automatically delete a blank video using a cron or something? |
| [19:08:55] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [19:09:22] | trumee: | i have a setup a userjob to do transcode of the video as soon as it is recorded. I would like to delete the blank video before transcoding it and hence save resources |
| [19:09:41] | trumee: | wagnerrp: there is no way to detect blank frames? |
| [19:09:53] | wagnerrp: | if you feel like doing some programming, the commflagger has a blank frame detection routine |
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| [19:10:18] | wagnerrp: | you could put something in there where if it detected a significant chunk of the show is blank, mark it as bad, and allow a re-record |
| [19:10:36] | wagnerrp: | alternatively, you can do a multi-pass transcode |
| [19:10:42] | wagnerrp: | and in between, check your compressibility |
| [19:10:52] | wagnerrp: | blank frame will compress very well |
| [19:11:03] | wagnerrp: | and would be a good indication of 'bad happenings' |
| [19:11:27] | wagnerrp: | or you can just let the transcode run as planned, and check the resultant file size |
| [19:11:39] | trumee: | wagnerrp: right. i already do a multipass transcode to convert video to x264 |
| [19:12:17] | wagnerrp: | unless you are compressing it specifically to the bitrate limits of some device, you really shouldnt be doing multiple-pass |
| [19:12:42] | wagnerrp: | just give it a quantizer, and let the bits be used as they may |
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| [19:15:25] | trumee: | this is what i use, http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-744041-s . . . hlight-.html |
| [19:17:18] | trumee: | and use a mq preset which is |
| [19:17:39] | trumee: | x264encoptions=":frameref=2:mixed_refs:bframes=8:b_adapt=1:b_pyramid=normal :weight_b:weightp=0:direct_pred=spatial:aq_mode=2:me=hex:subq=4:nombtree:nochrom a_me:trellis=0:cabac:deblock:no8x8dct:partitions=p8x8,b8x8,i4x4:nofast_pskip:dct _decimate$keyint$keyint_min${vbv_maxrate}${vbv_bufsize}:level_idc=""$h 264level" |
| [19:19:02] | wagnerrp: | is this for some specific device? |
| [19:19:19] | wagnerrp: | what resolution?????????????????????????? |
| [19:19:24] | wagnerrp: | bah... stuck keyboard |
| [19:21:04] | trumee: | wagnerrp: no just for PC |
| [19:21:24] | trumee: | wagnerrp: resolution is 720x576 |
| [19:22:03] | wagnerrp: | then youre better off not transcoding, just use the mpegs as they are recorded |
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| [19:23:41] | trumee: | wagnerrp: this is a mediainfo of a transcoded video, http://www.pastie.org/1923163 |
| [19:24:07] | trumee: | wagnerrp: mpegs are much bigger in size compared to my transcoded mkv files. |
| [19:24:41] | wagnerrp: | maybe 2–3x larger |
| [19:25:21] | trumee: | yes, about 2X. so i prefer transcoded files. |
| [19:25:56] | wagnerrp: | disk space is cheap |
| [19:26:24] | wagnerrp: | in any case, you should not be setting a bitrate, set a quantizer and let the encoder do its thing |
| [19:26:29] | wagnerrp: | usually 20 is good |
| [19:27:08] | wagnerrp: | for L4.1 H264 of 576p content, your reference frames should be like 10–12, not 4444 |
| [19:27:15] | wagnerrp: | 4 |
| [19:27:36] | trumee: | wagnerrp: i havent looked into the scripts in detail, but i dont think a bitrate is being specified. |
| [19:27:49] | wagnerrp: | if you care about space, you may as well recompress that mp2 audio to ac3 |
| [19:28:08] | wagnerrp: | not ac3, aac |
| [19:28:27] | trumee: | wagnerrp: right. how about mp3? |
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| [19:28:39] | wagnerrp: | aac > mp3 |
| [19:28:48] | trumee: | wagnerrp: ok |
| [19:28:49] | iheartubuntu: | hello all. can mythtv browse the web also? |
| [19:29:33] | wagnerrp: | the video stream is exactly 1200kbps, you are specifying a bitrate and the quantizer is being set in the second pass to match |
| [19:30:03] | wagnerrp: | you should instead be using constant quantizer, or constant quality, single pass |
| [19:30:15] | wagnerrp: | iheartubuntu: mythtv has a browser plugin |
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| [19:30:47] | wagnerrp: | you could stand a better motion estimater than hex |
| [19:31:01] | wagnerrp: | like multihex or rdo |
| [19:33:16] | trumee: | wagnerrp: right |
| [19:33:53] | iheartubuntu: | wagnerrp, thanks |
| [19:35:19] | iheartubuntu: | sn9 – looks like mythtv has a browser plugin |
| [19:35:59] | wagnerrp: | sn9? |
| [19:36:37] | iheartubuntu: | ohh sorry. i had another person recommend mythtv to me |
| [19:36:55] | iheartubuntu: | but he wasnt sure if mythtv had a browser plugin |
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| [19:37:14] | iheartubuntu: | installing it in ubuntu natty right now |
| [19:37:23] | wagnerrp: | mythbrowser, webkit based |
| [19:38:23] | iheartubuntu: | is that a separate install or can it be installed from within mythtv |
| [19:38:57] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not provide packages, onnly source |
| [19:39:14] | wagnerrp: | there are two source trees that get built |
| [19:39:27] | wagnerrp: | 'mythtv' is the frontend, backend, coommflagger, transcoder, etc... |
| [19:39:41] | wagnerrp: | 'mythplugins' are all the available plugins for mythfrontend |
| [19:39:58] | wagnerrp: | how those get transformed into packages is up to each distro |
| [19:40:29] | iheartubuntu: | ok thx i will check my package manager |
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| [19:52:03] | iamlindoro: | wonder what distro he uses |
| [19:52:24] | wagnerrp: | ubuntu 11.04 |
| [19:52:32] | iamlindoro: | It was a joke ;) |
| [19:52:39] | iamlindoro: | based on the nick |
| [19:52:52] | wagnerrp: | oh, honestly, i didnt even notice |
| [19:53:00] | wagnerrp: | mind is elsewhere |
| [19:53:28] | ** Beirdo wonders what the lucky woman's name is ** | |
| [19:53:56] | wagnerrp: | georgia |
| [19:54:10] | Beirdo: | I can't believe this... I had a salad, and a soup... and I can't finish a flippin apple? |
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| [19:54:30] | Beirdo: | What the heck is wrong with me now? |
| [19:54:38] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, it's a trick. Newbuntu uses Fedora |
| [19:54:49] | kormoc: | so IHeartUbuntu must use Arch |
| [19:54:56] | Beirdo: | I guess Fedora is the new Ubuntu |
| [19:54:57] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:55:00] | wagnerrp: | that depends, ive got a soup place i got do, and im sloshing afterwards |
| [19:55:16] | wagnerrp: | *go to |
| [19:55:25] | kormoc: | especially if it's in a bread bowel |
| [19:55:39] | Beirdo: | heh, no bread bowl for me |
| [19:55:48] | Beirdo: | a bread bowel? ewwww |
| [19:56:06] | wagnerrp: | theyre great for chili |
| [19:56:09] | kormoc: | and you eat gingerbread men without complaining! |
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| [19:56:23] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [19:56:23] | wagnerrp: | IMHO, not so great for watery soups |
| [19:56:37] | kormoc: | Chowders |
| [19:56:42] | mag0o: | potato soup! |
| [19:57:02] | kormoc: | Alki Crab and Fish Co's Fresh baked bread bowl with chowder == win |
| [19:57:11] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [19:57:20] | wagnerrp: | man, i love potato soup, but i cant be around society for a good day after eaating it |
| [19:57:35] | kormoc: | Eat less leeks |
| [19:58:08] | Beirdo: | MOAR! |
| [19:58:34] | wagnerrp: | place i go to is a vietnamese place |
| [19:59:05] | wagnerrp: | something called sate |
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| [20:13:11] | Beirdo: | I want a kindle reader app for Linux |
| [20:13:18] | Beirdo: | why does it not exist? |
| [20:13:59] | Beirdo: | well, other than the one that runs ON the Kindle, which runs Linux |
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| [20:47:59] | JEDIDIAH__: | probably affraid that we would run it in a debugger and crack it wide open. LIke that can't do that with Windows or MacOS... |
| [20:50:02] | Beirdo: | making me not read books at work. shane on them |
| [20:50:13] | Beirdo: | I guess I could still use the phone :) |
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| [20:50:50] | JEDIDIAH__: | I'm surprised you haven't freed those books from corporate lockup yet. |
| [20:51:39] | Beirdo: | meh |
| [20:52:03] | Beirdo: | and I refuse to use Wine |
| [20:52:44] | JEDIDIAH__: | Well. Wine seems a little silly when you might have 4 of 6 cores idle. |
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| [22:27:19] | Beirdo: | hmmm, anyone have Sennheisers for headphones? |
| [22:27:43] | Beirdo: | in particular, looking at the HD 428 vs HD 202 |
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| [22:30:53] | jams: | i do have the 202 |
| [22:31:08] | Beirdo: | are they loud enough? :) |
| [22:31:38] | jams: | never really turned them up..let me see |
| [22:32:09] | Beirdo: | my old 455s (I think it was) were lovely, until they broke after 10 years of service |
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| [22:32:45] | Beirdo: | they were also open-ear, as opposed to most available now which are closed (and hence better for the work environment, I guess) |
| [22:33:44] | jams: | don't know if it's my laptop or the headphones, but it distorts at louder levels |
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| [22:34:00] | Beirdo: | hmm. |
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| [22:34:13] | jams: | if your looking to keep outside noise out these work pretty good |
| [22:34:30] | Beirdo: | yeah, that's one of the main purposes :) |
| [22:34:35] | jams: | but if you want real loud..i guess i wouldn't get these |
| [22:34:45] | Beirdo: | keep noise out, and with closed ear, keep my noise in :) |
| [22:34:48] | Beirdo: | K, thanks ;) |
| [22:35:04] | Beirdo: | I think I'll spring for the HD428 for my work headphones |
| [22:35:22] | jams: | these were free |
| [22:35:37] | Beirdo: | got a set of Koss ones that are pissing me off by being just too quiet right now |
| [22:35:56] | Beirdo: | the RS120 (RF Senns) at home go much much louder |
| [22:36:10] | jams: | never really liked the way they fit, but as I said they were free |
| [22:36:25] | Beirdo: | can't beat that price :) |
| [22:36:43] | jams: | nope..and they are good headphones |
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| [22:43:40] | Beirdo: | OK, ordered the HD428, should have em tomorrow. Danke, Amazon :) |
| [22:44:52] | Beirdo: | for home, if I didn't have the RS120, I might get HD515 (open ear) |
| [22:53:39] | Beirdo: | ah, here are the crappy ones I currently have: |
| [22:53:43] | Beirdo: | http://www.koss.com/koss/kossweb.nsf/p?openform&pc^fs^UR21v |
| [22:54:21] | Beirdo: | I guess for the price they are OK. (spit) |
| [22:56:07] | Beirdo: | SPL of 90dB. vs the 110dB on the HD428 |
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| [22:56:18] | Beirdo: | I'm sure I'll notice the difference immediately |
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| [23:17:23] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: im currently listening to some 485s |
| [23:19:24] | Beirdo: | yeah, those were pretty nice too IIRC |
| [23:19:35] | wagnerrp: | seems theyve been cancelled |
| [23:19:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: I have a set of in-ear ones that I love – Koss with a 'memory foam' seal... squeeze them insert in ear, and they're basically earplugs with speakers... ;-) |
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| [23:21:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, I don't want in-ear for work. massive over-the-ear style is my preference here. It lets others know that you are in a cone of silence |
| [23:21:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | These ones: http://www.amazon.com/Koss-SPARKPLUG-Stereo-E . . . p/B00081A2DQ |
| [23:21:30] | wagnerrp: | if you want some nice IEMs, ive got a pair of razer m100s... although those dont seem to be sold anymore either |
| [23:22:06] | wagnerrp: | very nice headphones for $40 MSRP, got 'em on woot for $15 |
| [23:22:26] | Beirdo: | nice |
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| [23:24:59] | wagnerrp: | fable 3 developer claims piracy is less problematic than used games sales |
| [23:25:31] | wagnerrp: | how is that possible? |
| [23:25:44] | wagnerrp: | in either case, they get nothing |
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| [23:28:30] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, Pirates will never buy it. Used game folks *are* buying it and they're getting none |
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| [23:30:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | Humm... my mythtv version ends with "-dirty" – is that because I'm running a customized mythlcdserver? |
| [23:30:31] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [23:30:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ok, then nothing to worry about. ;-) |
| [23:30:45] | wagnerrp: | if you have changed anything from the upstream copy, its 'dirty' |
| [23:30:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | Thanks, that's what I thought. ;-) |
| [23:30:59] | wagnerrp: | git terminology, see 'git describe' |
| [23:32:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ah, shows the same version, without -dirty on the end. ;-) |
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| [23:33:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | i would submit a patch, but it's basically just a hack to make the 20x4 screens much prettier, and wouldn't do anything for the other screen sizes... |
| [23:33:49] | wagnerrp: | but it makes 20x4 prettier? |
| [23:35:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yes... Just reformats the output a bit, and instead of cycling between the clock, 1st rec, clock, 2nd rec, etc... it does Clock, 1st rec , 2nd rec, etc... |
| [23:36:19] | wagnerrp: | perhaps make a script that it follows through, with a str/replace language like the jobqueue? |
| [23:37:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Yeah, I guess I'm a better engineer than programmer – I'd like to setup a 'screen editor', and allow things to be placed/moved around to define the different LCD screens, but haven't worked out how to get it into code... ;-) |
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| [23:43:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/mythtv/lcd_vid.3gp |
| [23:44:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | 'bigclock' screen uses a patched LCDPROC for a much nicer 'big number' font, 'REC' and # of concurrent recordings on the left, then followed by each recording. |
| [23:45:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | The 'wind noise' is because the LCD is in-between my HD-PVRs, which have a fan blowing on them 24x7 to keep them from locking up. ;-) |
| [23:45:35] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:45:44] | Beirdo: | the boards arrivd today, BTW |
| [23:45:51] | Beirdo: | and the parts tomorrow :) |
| [23:45:59] | wagnerrp: | so mythlcdserver sends data to lcdproc for display? |
| [23:46:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yes. |
| [23:46:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | well, to LCDd daemon |
| [23:46:37] | Beirdo: | J-e-f-f-A: I like the looks of that. will that work on all 4-line displays? |
| [23:46:56] | Beirdo: | that's a 4x20, right? |
| [23:46:58] | wagnerrp: | heh, i was actually considering point you towards beirdo |
| [23:47:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | Which kinda limits what can be done with an LCD – as you can't re-define the custom characters 'on-the-fly' with lcdproc... |
| [23:47:04] | wagnerrp: | he likes tinkering with such |
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| [23:47:10] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [23:47:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah, it's a 20x4 – it's a Crystalfonts 624. |
| [23:47:31] | Beirdo: | I have one on my dev box, and one that was supposed to go in my frontend but can |
| [23:47:34] | Beirdo: | t |
| [23:47:39] | wagnerrp: | why not? |
| [23:47:53] | Beirdo: | the 5.25" bay is half covered |
| [23:47:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: It should work on any 20x4 supported by lcdproc. |
| [23:48:02] | Beirdo: | sweeet |
| [23:48:05] | wagnerrp: | so its a slim bay |
| [23:48:08] | wagnerrp: | what case? |
| [23:48:10] | Beirdo: | no |
| [23:48:13] | Beirdo: | it's a full bay |
| [23:48:23] | Beirdo: | but it is optical only |
| [23:48:38] | Beirdo: | with a flap over the top half |
| [23:48:51] | Beirdo: | it's a foxconn small case |
| [23:49:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: Ok, so I guess I'll figure out how to generate a patch from 'git' ;-) |
| [23:49:15] | Beirdo: | J-e-f-f-A: sounds good :) |
| [23:49:25] | Beirdo: | you have a checked out copy that you edited? |
| [23:50:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: Yeah, I run git of 0.24-fixes |
| [23:50:05] | Beirdo: | you commit locally, and then do "git format-patch blah" |
| [23:50:14] | Beirdo: | where blah is the SHA1 before your changed |
| [23:50:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | But I doubt there have been any patches to mythlcdserver in a LONG time... ;-) |
| [23:50:33] | Beirdo: | not significant ones |
| [23:50:45] | Beirdo: | the ones that are there are ones I put in :) |
| [23:50:46] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [23:51:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | Actually, Jarod did make a number of changes to support the iMon LCD icons... |
| [23:51:21] | Beirdo: | make sure to set your user name and email |
| [23:51:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | But I think my changes came after all that. |
| [23:51:42] | Beirdo: | with git config user.name "Full Name" |
| [23:52:01] | Beirdo: | and git config user.email "email@address.blah " |
| [23:52:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | I think I did that when i started using git – but I'll check now. ;-) |
| [23:52:53] | Beirdo: | as then we have a clear person who wrote it for copyright reasons, etc. |
| [23:52:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yep, I did. ;-) |
| [23:52:57] | Beirdo: | cool :) |
| [23:53:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | now to figure out which SHA1 to reference... humm... |
| [23:53:21] | Beirdo: | git log |
| [23:53:22] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [23:53:35] | Beirdo: | it's the one before your changes :) |
| [23:53:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | oh, so I have to locally commit first... gotcha. ;-) |
| [23:54:05] | Beirdo: | now if your changes are spread out, it just means there will be patches to delete from the list it generates |
| [23:54:12] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [23:54:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | (I'm getting SLOW as I get older... D'oh!!!) |
| [23:54:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | !trout J-e-f-f-A |
| [23:54:36] | ** MythLogBot slaps J-e-f-f-A with a trout on behalf of J-e-f-f-A... ** | |
| [23:54:50] | Beirdo: | heck if you have a fork on github, feel free to just push it to there, and then make a ticket with a pull request referenced |
| [23:55:00] | Beirdo: | but whatever way works for you |
| [23:55:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: Hehe... I'm not that advanced yet.. ;-) I'm just a 'tinkerer'. ;-) |
| [23:55:32] | Beirdo: | the LCD hasn't seen much work in a while, that's for sure |
| [23:55:55] | Beirdo: | hehe, we all tinkered at one point |
| [23:56:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah, I know. ;-) I gave it some love a year or two ago, and Paul submitted the patch, and a little bit here and there since then. |
| [23:56:09] | Beirdo: | for some of us... it became an obsession, I guess |
| [23:56:52] | Beirdo: | my "LCD" is actually a blueVFD |
| [23:56:57] | Beirdo: | it's hard to read |
| [23:57:21] | Beirdo: | the other one (in box) is an Antec one with volume knob |
| [23:57:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | Is it a character LCD? It's not the iMon LCD that looks similar to a VFD, but is really an LCD, is it? |
| [23:58:02] | Beirdo: | I'm not 100% sure anymore |
| [23:58:08] | Beirdo: | I never did hook it up :) |
| [23:58:28] | Beirdo: | the one that's hooked up is character LCD controller but with a blue VFD on it |
| [23:58:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | I modded the iMon LCD in my Antec Fusion Black 530 to turn off the backlight when powered off. Since LCDproc doesn't do it reliably... |
| [23:59:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | Just added a transistor, a resistor and a wire to a 5v source that's only on when the pc is powered on. ;-) Works great! |
| [23:59:53] | Beirdo: | nice |
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