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Tuesday, May 17th, 2011, 00:05 UTC

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wagnerrp:

mzb: so if it already has data for that day, it terminates?

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mycosys:

uhuh

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jya:

hi there..

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jya:

I'm trying to copy all my media files to an external FAT32 drive... using rsync .. It keeps bailing out whenever it encounter a file > 4GB. Is there a way to make rsync not choke on those ?

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jya:

so weird that rsync ; whenever I run it; it copies the same file again

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hoolio:

I'm not sure if fat32 supports files larger than 4gb

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hoolio:

it's not an issue with rsync

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hoolio:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table

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wagnerrp:

yeah, fat32 is limited to 4gb

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hoolio:

"The maximum possible size for a file on a FAT32 volume is 4 GiB minus 1 byte or 4 294 967 295"

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wagnerrp:

ran into that a couple years ago

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wagnerrp:

relative bought a new crapbook, no optical drive, fat32 boot drive

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wagnerrp:

wanted to load SIMS3 on it

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wagnerrp:

no optical drive so they couldnt do it directly

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wagnerrp:

fat32 so i couldnt rip the image and put it on the internal drive to play

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jya:

rsync --progress --ignore-errors --max-size=4GB-1 -rt

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wagnerrp:

not that it really mattered, since it was some crappy intel video that was too crappy to run the game anyway

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jya:

hoolio: it is an issue with rsync ; when it encounters such error ; it bails out.

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wagnerrp:

jya: reformat to UFS?

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jya:

even with --ignore-errors

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jya:

wagnerrp: it's for use later with a mac...

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wagnerrp:

i believe OSX supports UFS

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wagnerrp:

at least for read if not write

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jya:

unfortunately, I can't format with hfs+ ; I keep getting an error about the block size needeing to be a multiple of 4K

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jya:

and the partition is definitely a multiple of 4K

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wagnerrp:

not UFS... what am i thinking of...

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jya:

UFS that's BSD no ?

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wagnerrp:

UDF

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jya:

isn't it the FS used for DVDs ?

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wagnerrp:

10.5 and later has full read/write support, all versions

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jya:

there's no file size limit ?

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wagnerrp:

10.4 has read/write for 1.02, 1.50, and 2.0x

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mzb:

wagnerrp, if it has already run in the last 24hrs it exits (unless you force it)

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hoolio:

jya, if the filesystem doesn't support files bigger than 4gb, how can rsync be the issue?

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hoolio:

use a different copy command and see what happens..

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jya:

hoolio: it's that it exists when it encounter such issue that is the problem

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wagnerrp:

jya: its used for all optical disk formats since DVD, and supports at least 50GB files

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jya:

s/exists/exits

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jya:

wagnerrp: do you know if it supports the permission and all ? UDF?

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wagnerrp:

maximum file size, 16 exabytes

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zzattack`:

wagnerrp: any other way to get my channels with the EIT imported?

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wagnerrp:

it does support POSIX file permissions

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wagnerrp:

jya: the only drawback of UDF is very limited WinXP/2k3 support

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jya:

yeah, doesn't bother me this..

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wagnerrp:

linux 2.6.26+, osx 10.5+, windows vista+, should all work fine natively

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jya:

UDF; that sounds like the answer to my eternal quest of a file system that would work everywhere

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jya:

hum... gparted doesn't know about UDF

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wagnerrp:

seems you need to never plug it into a WinXP machine

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wagnerrp:

they have the nasty tendency of 'finalizing' the partition

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wagnerrp:

rendering it no longer writable anywhere

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jya:

ahah

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mycosys:

there is a decent udf driver for xp

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wagnerrp:

im seeing claims that WD MyBooks come formatted with UDF

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wagnerrp:

mycosys: got a link? only ones i was ever able to find were payware, and intended for use with CDRWs

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jya:

the wikipedia entry list 2 UDF drivers for XP

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mycosys:

yeah – came with drives, cant remember lol

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jya:

I just ran : sudo mkudffs --media-type=hd --blocksize=512 /dev/sdg1

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jya:

gparted chokes trying to read the /dev/sdg disk now

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jya:

"searching /dev/sdg partitions" ..

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wagnerrp:

so apparently our fundy religious types are trying to expand to europe... fun

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mycosys:

huh??

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wagnerrp:

fundamentalists... bible literalists

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wagnerrp:

people who believe everything they read in there (or are told is in there), including contradictory bits

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mycosys:

linky

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wagnerrp:

scratch that... this article is a couple years old

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wagnerrp:

whoops!

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mycosys:

lol

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jya:

why is UDF not more in use for hard disks ?

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wagnerrp:

jya: because WinXP is more in use in PCs

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jya:

wagnerrp: are you suggesting that the Bible doesn't contain absolute truth ?

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jya:

how dare you ...

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jya:

I'm going to do a fatwah on you... Oops, sorry wrong religion...

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wagnerrp:

scandalous...

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jya:

cool, UDF is supported by BeOS

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wagnerrp:

UDF is supported by western cincinnati

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wagnerrp:

my god, theyve got like one on every other street corner over there

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jya:

I have to say, the most staunch opposition I've ever witnessed in a discussion (well, arguments)

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jya:

was between creationists, and teachers...

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jya:

That kind of conversion always lead to insults within 10 minutes

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wagnerrp:

well what do you expect when one side is effectively sticking their fingers in their ears and yelling

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jya:

both side do the same ;)

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jya:

One side is "you moron, you'll go to hell, I want to save you" ; the other "you moron, it's science, you can't argue with science"

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wagnerrp:

well one side lays out an argument with evidence

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jya:

let me save you ...

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wagnerrp:

while the other side says all the evidence is put there to full you, and gives a book

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wagnerrp:

you cant win against them, because because you can only win an argument made with logic

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wagnerrp:

if you cant use logic, science loses

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mycosys:

so does humanity

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jya:

to be honest, there's little logic shown on both sides. At the end of the day; it becomes religious. Be it God; or Science

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wagnerrp:

and history has shown nothing produces more bloodshed than religion

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jya:

I'm an opportunistic... Just in case; I'll convert to all religion when I feel I'm close to dying

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wagnerrp:

let them fight to the death, the fittest will survive

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wagnerrp:

:)

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jya:

so I can get both the singing angels, to horny virgins or what else

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wagnerrp:

the horny virgins are only when you die killing the infidels

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jya:

is it ?

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wagnerrp:

well if everyone got them, surely they would run out rather quick

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wagnerrp:

i mean theyve got to come from somewhere, right? there just arent that many more women than men

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, it's possible due to a rounding error

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jya:

wagnerrp: nah... It's ok from 6 yo onward I was reading...

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jya:

that opens the pool a fair bit

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tgm4883:

What most people don't know is that 2 + 2 is actually slightly less than 4

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tgm4883:

so 74 virgins is more like 22 people

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wagnerrp:

and 14 of them male?

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jya:

wagnerrp: it's heaven... there's for everyone there

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mycosys:

every wonder WHY they are virgins

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tgm4883:

possibly. I don't study the quron, does it specify that they are women?

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mycosys:

too ugly? too prudish? died as children?

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tgm4883:

mycosys, programmers ;)

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jya:

nah, they are all beautiful; blondes and genderless

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mycosys:

even worse

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mycosys:

lol jya

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mycosys:

eunuchs

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jya:

They are like snails... Change gender with time

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mycosys:

why the hell are they cancelling the shuttle with nothing to replace it

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jya:

and self repairing: so they are always virgins.

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tgm4883:

mycosys, cause it's expensive and they want to build a space elevator?

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mycosys:

virgin isnt physical :P

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jya:

mycosys: damn expensive toy to start with

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jya:

mycosys: they are blondes remember ; they forget quickly

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mycosys:

but our only way into space at present

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tgm4883:

mycosys, cause it would be better served by private enterprise?

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tgm4883:

Maybe they will open source it?

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wagnerrp:

mycosys: russians have man rated launch vehicles, japan and china are developing them, private US companies are developing more

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mycosys:

i dunno tgm4883 – that is a phiolosophical point

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mycosys:

developing

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jya:

mycosys: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_921-3

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tgm4883:

mycosys, why is it a phylosophical point?

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tgm4883:

I mean, I suppose it could stay closed source

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mycosys:

because there is a point that it is a societal acievement when done by nasa

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mycosys:

while nasa is nominally american – most of the western world is part of it

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wagnerrp:

awesome... one of my recordings failed after 22 minutes, with no indication as to why

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tgm4883:

The real reason it is being canceled is because they finally gave up on the idea of having a giant laser that can blast people for space

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mycosys:

thousands of private4 companies working together

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jya:

my mythfrontend just died in front of me..

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jya:

[90772.593642] Out of memory: kill process 5385 (mythfrontend) score 127431 or a child

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wagnerrp:

i think ill reset my HDHR for good measure

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jya:

4gig of RAM ; looks like my rsync is chewing all the RAM

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jya:

hum.. no..

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tgm4883:

The space program was too expensive. We went to the moon, great. We sent a drone to mars, great. Nobody cares anymore though

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tgm4883:

It's hard to fund something that a majority of people don't care about

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jya:

tgm4883: went to the moon?

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jya:

are you one of the one believing it ?

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: nobody cares because its no longer glamorous, and they dont comprehends just what all the various space programs have developed for us

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tgm4883:

jya, s/moon/lake in utah/

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, I'd agree partially with that

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mycosys:

thats it wagnerrp – nobody dies anymore

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mycosys:

they prefer to watch nascar lol

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, theres a joke about NASA spending 1.5M to fix the issue of writing with a pen in space where the russians just use a pencil. See "too expensive"

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mycosys:

(how can they make motoracing so damn boring????)

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wagnerrp:

mycosys: they need to race in a figure 8

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mycosys:

the thing that is ignored in that is that it isnt just a pen tgm4883

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mycosys:

need to race on a real track wagnerrp

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jya:

mycosys: I so agree with you there.. they took a toy electrical race track made the car bigger: there you go

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mycosys:

is a question of fluid technology

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tgm4883:

mycosys, is it also a clock (see "friends episode")

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jya:

they go round, and round and round.

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wagnerrp:

nah, figure 8

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jya:

that would be cool

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jya:

have a draw at the beginning

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mycosys:

laguna seca – that would be cool

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wagnerrp:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plbI-QxdFzk#t=0m15s

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jya:

who is going to handle the remote controller

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tgm4883:

Heck, I'm for science funding and I would have cut that program

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jya:

press the button, cars runs

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mycosys:

isnt just a pen tgm4883

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mycosys:

is fluid flow in zero g

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mycosys:

is a basic research thing

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tgm4883:

uh, thanks for the in depth explanation

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tgm4883:

I didn't know it was a "basic research thing"

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tgm4883:

apparently we couldn't go to space without it

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tgm4883:

since it's basic research and all

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mycosys:

we cant stay in space without being able to handle fluids

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tgm4883:

mycosys, heh, you still think this is about the pen

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mycosys:

making a pen work is an engineering exercise in fluid handling

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tgm4883:

We also can't stay in space if nobody will fund it

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wagnerrp:

i could think of better ways to research how 'fluids' flow in space

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mycosys:

is about understanding that the scope of an engineering project is far more than it stated goal when it is on this sort of fronteir

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mycosys:

'its a lot different than flying on the soyuz'

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tgm4883:

mycosys, yay, who cares.

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tgm4883:

As I initially stated, it was a joke

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mycosys:

they spend a week in the thing

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wagnerrp:

IMHO, we need to go to the moon, end of story

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mycosys:

we need to stay there yes

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wagnerrp:

there isnt a whole lot of new stuff we can do in space until we go back to the moon

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mycosys:

we also need to build a way station in orbit

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wagnerrp:

and use that as a stepping stone

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wagnerrp:

way station for what purpose?

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tgm4883:

mycosys, nobody wants to spend 1.7 billion building a space shuttle and another 450 million every time they launch it

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tgm4883:

pretty soon that starts adding up to real money

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mycosys:

for the reason u think we need the moon i am guessing

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mycosys:

zero g launch platform

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wagnerrp:

we need to go to the moon for supplies and cheap space launches

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mycosys:

assemble vehicles up there

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mycosys:

the space launces need to be from a space station where there is ZERO g

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wagnerrp:

you mean a manufacturing facility, thats a bit more in depth than a 'way station'

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wagnerrp:

if youre already in space, you no longer need to launch

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mycosys:

an addembly station isnt a manufacturing station

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wagnerrp:

everything is just an orbital transfer away

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mycosys:

just allows smaller launch vehicles

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tgm4883:

mycosys, potato potato

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tgm4883:

I guess that doesn't work in IRC ;)

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wagnerrp:

bigger launch vehicles provide economies of scale

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mycosys:

putting together bits flown up isnt a massive task

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mycosys:

bigger launch vehicles provide diminsihing return and escalating challenge engineering wise

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wagnerrp:

the problem is when your heavy lift craft is also your passenger vehicle, and you need all that extra expense to make it man rated

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tgm4883:

we just need to find the mass effect relay

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mycosys:

they are exponentially more expensive to produce

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, solved. Just stick google on it

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tgm4883:

then it will drive itself

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wagnerrp:

tell them they can advertise on the moon, and were there in a month

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wagnerrp:

except it will be a beta

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wagnerrp:

prone to tidal outages

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mycosys:

lol

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, I think we have to convince them there is user data they can mine there as well

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wagnerrp:

and while theyre at it, some helium-3 were interested in?

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Beirdo:

well that was a lovely little nap

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[R]:

wow, ipv6

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[R]:

does mysql support that?

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wagnerrp:

i believe mysql access still requires ipv4

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wagnerrp:

at least in that patch set

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[R]:

Change our Upnp notify code to only enclose the hostIP in [] if it appears

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[R]:

to be an IPv6 address. Just incase we run into a client machine that

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[R]:

cannot handle IPv4 addreses within [].

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[R]:

[] around an ip is valid in a url?

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wagnerrp:

yep

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wagnerrp:

and is somewhat required for ipv6

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wagnerrp:

considering the '.' separator was replaced with a ':'

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Beirdo:

always has been valid, IPv4 or v6 :)

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[R]:

http://[10.0.0.50]

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[R]:

what am i doing wrong?

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wagnerrp:

the brackets demark between an address and a port

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wagnerrp:

works here in firefox

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[R]:

doesnt work in chrome

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Beirdo:

now, some stupid browsers may not like it.

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Beirdo:

OMG, why won't Survivor ever die?

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wagnerrp:

because they have a whole support crew

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wagnerrp:

those people are never in any real danger

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Beirdo:

hehe, I meant the stupid show

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wagnerrp:

(sadly)

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Beirdo:

yeah, I realize

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wagnerrp:

i think ive maybe ever seen 15 minutes of it

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Beirdo:

you know, it would really piss me off to see the crew chowing down just off camera

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wagnerrp:

i want to know why american idol and the whor^H^H^H^Hbachelor[ette] wont die

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Beirdo:

yeah, those ones suck just as bad

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jya:

wagnerrp: UDF is *much* slower in write than FAT32..

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jya:

with FAT32, the rsync I was seeing 80MB/s average to the disk

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jya:

now the max I see is 25MB/s

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wagnerrp:

odd

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wagnerrp:

seems the search for a good universal file system... continues

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Beirdo:

"universal" for what uses?

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jya:

I have 1.6TB of data to copy.. going to take forever.

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wagnerrp:

anything != WinXP

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jya:

very disappointing speed here

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wagnerrp:

this is an esata drive?

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Beirdo:

ext4? ;)

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jya:

Beirdo: A FS that will work with all machine, and with file > 4GB

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wagnerrp:

is ext4 supported outside of linux?

[02:06:21]

jya:

wagnerrp: it's a plain SATA2 drive

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Beirdo:

hmmm, no, I guess not

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Beirdo:

that brings us to... vfat

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wagnerrp:

oh, youve got it hooked in directly

[02:06:42]

jya:

no > 4GB

[02:06:44]

wagnerrp:

vfat has a 4GB limit

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Beirdo:

then you're down to nothing

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wagnerrp:

seems that way

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jya:

wagnerrp: yep... plugged it straight to the intel P67 controller

[02:07:20]

wagnerrp:

horray for interoperability

[02:07:43]

wagnerrp:

you know, i remember a joke back in True Lies about the floppies being incompatible formatting

[02:07:45]

Beirdo:

NTFS, perhaps

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jya:

having said that, I was surprised on how fast the drive was with FAT32.. Would copy will in excess of 80MB/s

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jya:

NTFS is read-only on mac

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Beirdo:

but it will be sucky

[02:08:38]

Beirdo:

well, good luck finding your white whale :)

[02:08:47]

jya:

I feel like I'm copying the files over 100Mbit/s ethernet

[02:09:02]

jya:

well, if it's reliable.. just mean I have to wait long

[02:09:03]

jya:

er

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jya:

8% done

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jya:

I wonder where the bottleneck is.. This is a new sandybridge 2300 i5

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jya:

quad-core

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Beirdo:

go Cleveland Indians!

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Beirdo:

19–1 top of the 6th

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Beirdo:

sucks to be a KC Royals fan today

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[R]:

crazy southerners... who names a kid bentley

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wagnerrp:

[R]: someone with a real go fu-- y'all attitude

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wagnerrp:

http://www.flixxy.com/bmw-vs-audi-vs-subaru-vs-bentley.htm

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

did i mention this was on Teen Mob?

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[R]:

Mom*

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[R]:

:P

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wagnerrp:

that ad actually makes me want to buy a bentley, although im almost certain its fake

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high-rez:

I'm feeling kinda sheepish cause I could swear I had it working before, but I jsut realized that LPCM 5.1 isn't working right on my system. I don't think its myth specific, because when I run speaker-test -c 6 -Dhw:3,9 I only hear sound from the left and right channels. Any of you ever seen this before ?

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Beirdo:

nein

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wagnerrp:

(*U$(%)())(K#D)#(D

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Beirdo:

?!

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wagnerrp:

castle failed five minutes before the end of the episode

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high-rez:

Beirdo: Das ist nischt so gut.

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: OK, that sucks

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high-rez:

Meine sounden ist kaput ;(

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Beirdo:

Ha ha!

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Beirdo:

that works in any language :)

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high-rez:

:)

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high-rez:

germglish

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high-rez:

So friggin strange. HBR passthrough works fine – and I swear when I first set this stuff up LPCM multi channel was working.

[03:02:45]

Beirdo:

I use stereo out (over HDMI to my TV)

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high-rez:

then my setup would work great for you ;)

[03:04:57]

Beirdo:

I hate waiting for stuff to arrive

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Beirdo:

got parts and boards on the way for the HDPVR killer devices.

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high-rez:

hdpvr killer device ?

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Beirdo:

yeah, shut off the hdpvr via usb control

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high-rez:

Oh cool.

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high-rez:

i still want to do the project where I hookup that USB device for HDMI-CEC

[03:06:52]

high-rez:

So that myth's volume control can turn the amp up and down

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Beirdo:

I should work on the software for it.

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Beirdo:

I wanna be able to ship this time next week

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Beirdo:

how would you do the HDMI-CEC connection?

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high-rez:

There's a usb device that has two HDMI Ports on it. One points towards the video card, and one towards your receiver or tv

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Beirdo:

nice

[03:09:31]

high-rez:

http://rainshadowtech.com/default_files/HDMICECUSB.htm

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high-rez:

The guy who makes em is local

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high-rez:

Neat device, just kinda pricy for what it does

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Beirdo:

so he's just driving the bus with a micro

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wagnerrp:

yeah, just a bit

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Beirdo:

not that hard to do

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high-rez:

Exactly.

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high-rez:

He's seatown area.

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wagnerrp:

would love to see that integrated into video cards

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high-rez:

Yeah, its a shame it isn't integrated

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wagnerrp:

not sure why no video card manufacturer hasnt yet

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high-rez:

Would have some real cool possibilites.

[03:11:28]

wagnerrp:

ive heard the ATI 5-series have some form of support

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wagnerrp:

but fat chance seeing that in the linux drivers

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high-rez:

ATI gives me a luke-warm cold feeling.

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high-rez:

Its like "we really want to be the opensource friendly card" – "but we don't want to release code that'll do video offload"

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wagnerrp:

castle gives me a warm fuzzy feeling, unless i miss the last five minutes of the show

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wagnerrp:

man, and it was a doosy of a cutoff too

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** high-rez tried alsa from git **

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high-rez:

s/tried/tries

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JEDIDIAH__:

that's what padding recording times is for.

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high-rez:

Woot, latest alsa fixed. ;)

[03:20:09]

JEDIDIAH__:

sounds cool (HDMI-CEC) but I wonder how useful it is and what you can actually control with it...

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high-rez:

everything

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high-rez:

for example, if I use my TV's remote – it'll send volume up/down to my receiver

[03:25:58]

high-rez:

my receiver turns my TV on/of when I turn it on/off.

[03:26:17]

high-rez:

When I select a CEC enable device from my receiver, it turns that device on.

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high-rez:

I think you could also use it to say use command fowarding..... So that key presses on your TV remote are sent to myth

[03:28:50]

high-rez:

So myth doesn't even needs its own IR device.

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[R]:

ROFL

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[R]:

chick from teen mom got frauded

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wagnerrp:

he boyfriend said he was wearing a condom, but it was really a candy bar wrapper

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[R]:

ROFL

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[R]:

no, some dude offered to buy her car, gave her a check for $8k including $3k for shipping, she cashed the check, took out $3k from her account, and wired it to him

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wagnerrp:

why would she wire him money?

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wagnerrp:

seriously, that should just scream SCAM to anyone with half a brain

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Beirdo:

they fell for that classic scam?

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tgm4883:

they are on a show called teen mom

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wagnerrp:

oh wait, she was a knocked up teenager

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tgm4883:

I think that specifies only half a brain max

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Beirdo:

not too smart to start with, especially with hormones in on it

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mycosys:

smart people make mistakes too, tho they generally dont go on shows about it lol

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wagnerrp:

and theres the deciding factor

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

so she was on the phone talking to the banker

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[R]:

and she left her baby in another room

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[R]:

and she hurt herself

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Beirdo:

yeah, mistake #1... pregnant teen

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Beirdo:

on a show...

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Beirdo:

mistake #2... get scammed... on a show

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mycosys:

i think mistake #2 is humiliate self and every other pregnant teen by re-invorcing negative stereotypes on a sensationalist show

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Beirdo:

fair enough

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Beirdo:

hehe

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[R]:

most of them are from the south

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high-rez:

...

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Beirdo:

I guess the ones from the north are smart enough to stay off TV? Pretty sure they are still getting knocked up

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mycosys:

that would be mistake #1 then [R]

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mycosys:

lol

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[R]:

lol

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mycosys:

#2 get knocked up before u can drive

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mycosys:

#3 go on tv about it and become an icon of stupidity

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mycosys:

by the time you hit the scam – the only mistake would be that other scammers didnt hit her 1st

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Beirdo:

or knock her up... again

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tgm4883:

I'm not sure what is worse, being on that show, or watching that show

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[R]:

haha

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lwizardl:

Hello

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lwizardl:

I was wondering if there was a way to control my mythtv display using any type of linux application ? just wondering I'm trying to find my ati usb dongle for my remote but not found the box it was in yet

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clever:

lwizardl: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frontend_control_socket

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lwizardl:

thanks

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Beirdo:

OK, FTDI EEPROM format is confusing

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lwizardl:

ok i found one of my usb adapters but its not the ati one. is there a generic usb option or one that usually works for most unknown makes? it is a small and flat (maybe 2x2) white box with a large front section of it being the cover for the ir sensor

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lwizardl:

ok make that i found 2 of them but still not the ati dongle

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lwizardl:

one looks to be a packard bell unit

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[R]:

lwizardl: what?

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lwizardl:

The second one I just found for remote sensors has the old school style Packard Bell logo on it

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lwizardl:

http://wizardsarcade.com/images/RemoteDongles.jpg

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clever:

Beirdo: why do you need to mess with its EEPROM?, it works just fine with the defaults

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lwizardl:

this looks like the logo on the top of it only no color on the dongle its just white http://doc-0s-8g-3dwarehouse.googleuserconten . . . p;ctyp=other

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Beirdo:

clever: no it doesn't.

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clever:

Beirdo: what are you trying to do?

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Beirdo:

something that's not set by default

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clever:

such as?

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Beirdo:

using GPIOs

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clever:

ah

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clever:

from what i read in the datasheet, you can just use those from the .dll calls, but i havent seen much on its use from linux

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clever:

Beirdo: do you think ir blasting would be posible if you used the raw api they provide?

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clever:

hmmmm, i think a baud rate of 46,000 might do, assuming you can get around the problem of the start/stop bits messing with the waveform

[05:18:36]

clever:

start/stop bits might not be a problem though

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Beirdo:

you can't do what I'm trying to do without programming the eeprom

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clever:

send UUUU's at 46000 baud for on, and nothing for off

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Beirdo:

build a toy and try it :)

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clever:

i should try setting mine to 46000 baud some time, when i have the scope out

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Beirdo:

be easier to put an AVR or PIC on there and make it generate exactly what you want

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Beirdo:

looks like I need to use Winblows to program the first one

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clever:

the IR blaster works on a 46khz carrier wave, that just turns on/off something like morse code

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clever:

46000 baud sending a U would just produce a perfect square wave (10 transitions) at 46000khz

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clever:

assuming you use a full usb transaction, it could fill the buffer and maybe get one IR code out

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clever:

best posible conditions

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Beirdo:

or you send the code to the microprocessor and create a proper waveform

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clever:

yeah, that would be more correct

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clever:

just thinking of how to do it with existing hardware

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lwizardl:

I'm going to use the serial packard bell dongle and see if that will work if not then I will just try the other one and try each option till one works

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clever:

Beirdo: ive also heard many stories of using either the uart or SPI module on an avr, to do exactly the same thing

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Beirdo:

to use existing hardware, buy an MCEUSB

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clever:

simply because the hardware spi is able to generate the waveform with less cpu usage then software, and more acurately

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Beirdo:

ummm, use the timers

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Beirdo:

not SPI

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clever:

although its timing is alot more predictable then ftdi and usb stuff

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clever:

timers mean an interupt and several clock cycles for every bit, but spi means one clock cycle for 8 bits on the wire

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Beirdo:

so?

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Beirdo:

who gives a crap, what else is the microcontroller doing?

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clever:

if you get to very high speeds (relative to main clock speed), the savings can be needed

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Beirdo:

you are driving 46kHz

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clever:

yeah, if its only doing ir blasting, it doesnt matter

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Beirdo:

and even if not... still better to use the timers

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wagnerrp:

when youre talking about a 46kHz carrier on a multi-MHz microcontroller...

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clever:

wagnerrp: yeah, i didnt really think about the actual freq

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clever:

and it seems my STB just rebooted on its own...

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clever:

time to see what they broke this month!

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clever:

all menu's and guide data is gone

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Beirdo:

ha ha :)

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clever:

menu's work now, but guide data is still gone

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clever:

its like it works in 2 halves, the OS and then scripts that drive the menu system

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Beirdo:

why are you putting "menu's" in the possessive?

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clever:

i never really liked english class

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hoolio:

was that because of the pedantic teachers? :)

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clever:

i was more of a math guy

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clever:

wagnerrp: yeah, its about 86.95 clock cycles at 4mhz for one period of a 46khz carrier

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clever:

plenty of time to do it, even without timers

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clever:

its just a matter of dealing with the 0.95

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wagnerrp:

fake it, use leap cycles

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hoolio:

what are you guys talking about?

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clever:

that, or just try 86 and see if the other end is happy

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clever:

hoolio: making an ir blaster

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hoolio:

that's coool

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clever:

hmmm, at 8mhz rounding it down, i get 46.242khz

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clever:

4mhz leaves me with 46.511khz

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clever:

rounding 8mhz up a bit gives 45.977khz, much closer

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wagnerrp:

why do people so frequently ask how to fix a crashed table?

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wagnerrp:

i mean its not like you cant just search for 'mysql crashed table' and find a dozen pages with the exact same instructions on what you need to do to fix it

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

so not an application-related question

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wagnerrp:

thats not even my complaint

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wagnerrp:

its a problem that has been suffered by literally millions of people before

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wagnerrp:

something that can easily be solved with a bit of searching

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clever:

ive found that only 3 things can cause it, failing hardware, mysql crashing, and stopping mysql while the drive is full

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hoolio:

can myth detect and repair crashed tables automatically?

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wagnerrp:

in all cases, the solution is the same

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hoolio:

save people the bother of asking?

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wagnerrp:

run the mysql tools to fix it

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clever:

it could, but that can make things even worse, depending on luck

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wagnerrp:

mythtv will not automatically repair crashed tables until such time as it can guarantee nothing else will touch the database mid-repair

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clever:

wagnerrp: what about just doing a lock tables call?

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wagnerrp:

which will not occur until the database has been migrated to embedded mysql

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wagnerrp:

it still has problems

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clever:

or using the same schema lock as for db updates

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clever:

aslong as settings itself isnt crashed

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hoolio:

or just calling the mysql appropriate repair tables command

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wagnerrp:

using the schema lock assumes that he other applications respect it

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clever:

yeah, didnt think about that

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clever:

shouldnt a general lock tables call cover the non-conforming apps?

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wagnerrp:

unless mysql shuts down mid repair

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wagnerrp:

in which case the table is in a dangerous state, and the lock is cleared

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clever:

yeah, thats part of why automatic repairs are bad

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clever:

you should let it finish, and not interupt it

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wagnerrp:

unless... you can guarantee restricted access through use of an embedded database

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clever:

how much worse was the big ugly query when ran thru sqlite?

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wagnerrp:

before my time

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hoolio:

what happens when you ask mysql itself to repair the broken table(s)?

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clever:

hoolio: it should just repair them, i think the problem is if mysql gets told to shutdown, while its doing the repair

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clever:

what happens next time things start up

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wagnerrp:

basically, theres a lot of ifs

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clever:

something else may try to use the table before myth can try to repair it more

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wagnerrp:

and if you cant control all the ifs, youll do more harm than good

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hoolio:

but asking mysql to repair the tables (which is what users are asked to do) is vulnerable to the same issues, no?

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wagnerrp:

presumably if the user is doing it, they know not to do anything stupid in the mean time

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clever:

it could just show a message on the screen saying tables are crashed, repair?

[06:03:05]

clever:

along with a warning to not do stupid things

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hoolio:

:)

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clever:

dont turn it off while repairing

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wagnerrp:

assuming the user is around

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hoolio:

no stupid things allowed :)

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clever:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

and there isnt some other application running in the mean time

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wagnerrp:

something like jamu, or something using the python bindings, or something else accessing the database

[06:03:55]

wagnerrp:

again... there are too many ifs, too many sources of possible issue

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clever:

a LOCK TABLES should cover most of that, leaving the only problem a shutdown

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clever:

put up a big ugly window telling the user not to shutdown while repairing

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hoolio:

which is common to any db repair

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Beirdo:

so so lame

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Beirdo:

so until they package a new version of libftdi, I'll have to use a windows box to actually program the devices

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Beirdo:

oh well, might as well write the rest of the IO code in the mean time, and download the programming SW for my Windoze laptop

[06:31:51]

Beirdo:

and I think I'll be creating (for now) a list of valid devices using the chip ID. Fun

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Beirdo:

that will keep my code from unintentionally messing with other FTDI devices attached, even if the luser puts in the wrong serial number

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justinh:

like a proper product. heh :)

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Beirdo:

well, I don't want my software messing up my buspirate, my arduino, etc.

[06:38:23]

Beirdo:

hehe

[06:39:08]

Beirdo:

or even worse... someone else's

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justinh:

arghh stupid AOL email bouncer. I'm gonna unsubscribe em & put the AOL ban in place again

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justinh:

it's just one account being bounced but it's still a pain. I mean how quick does an AOL mailbox fill up?

[06:41:11]

Beirdo:

depends how many of us spam em :)

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justinh:

officially, inbox can hold 1000 new messages

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justinh:

I think I have to deem AOL users of insufficient clue to have a subscription

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wagnerrp:

crazy bastard is at it again, writing a QEMU port in javascript

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justinh:

how to word the site message. Hmm.. How about "GET A PROPER EMAIL ADDRESS, YOU DULLARD"

[06:43:15]

justinh:

it's bad enough that site users can't even type their own email address right

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wagnerrp:

s/crazy bastard/mad ffmpeg programmer who wrote a DVB modulator for an old $20 radeon/

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justinh:

lol

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justinh:

I've talked about that stuff with a guy at work. guy at work says he think's fabrice is an alien

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justinh:

I mean, doing QAM with software for hell's sakes... with maths... the mind boggles

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wagnerrp:

this is how i imagine the guy... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ld-twoeg2s

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justinh:

mind, most dvb modulator ships are done in gate arrays, with maths...

[06:46:06]

justinh:

so *somebody* designed em

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justinh:

and have you seen the dvb-t2 stuff? *rotated* constellations?!?!?!?! :-O

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wagnerrp:

rotated?

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justinh:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

since when do terrestrial broadcasts have 'constellations'?

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clever:

*head explodes*

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justinh:

ordinary dvb-t constellations look like a grid of dots representing the carriers

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justinh:

dvb-t2 constellations are similar, but rotated through what I guess to be 10–15 degrees clockwise

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Beirdo:

I knew a guy at RIM that wrote the decoders for Mobitex and a few other of the old data networks... in DSP code to work with a sound card, receive and transmit

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wagnerrp:

when i hear that term, i think stars or satellites

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Beirdo:

and many are trellis-encoded which is one step away from constellations

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justinh:

wagnerrp: the carriers look like points on a scope/analyser, so a cluster of em... is a constellation :)

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clever:

wagnerrp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PAL_colour_ . . . tor_edit.png

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justinh:

clever: that's nothing to do with this

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clever:

odd, since its marked as analog qam on the wiki page

[06:49:39]

clever:

somebody must have inserted the wrong image

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clever:

or i'm on the wrong page

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clever:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constellation_diagram would probly be a better link anyways

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justinh:

hmm... the PAL analogy is valid I suppose

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clever:

i still cant make sense of how the waveform actualy looks on the wire, if a scope was hooked up

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justinh:

digital TV waveforms look like noise

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justinh:

noise occupying a bandwidth of 8MHz or so

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justinh:

(in the case of most DVB-T)

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clever:

would there be any patern at all if it was sending the same symbol constantly?

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clever:

just a single bit patern and no proper protocol

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justinh:

I dunno. they intentionally add pseudo-random values at source IIRC

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clever:

it feels like each symbol is a unique combination of freq's (with a unique phase relation between them)

[06:55:15]

justinh:

anyway, bottom line is, unlike analogue baseband video you can't look at digital TV with an ordinary oscilloscope

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clever:

yeah, it would be like trying to read an mpeg video stream with the scope on an ethernet wire

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justinh:

a guy I sit next to at work is making & selling his own dvb-t modulators

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justinh:

he owes me a fortune in consultancy fees :P

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clever:

lol

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Beirdo:

sue his arse

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justinh:

selling a load of em into a hospital so they can feed content to wards cheaply

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Beirdo:

and then overcharge patients for it :)

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Beirdo:

I like that plan

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justinh:

no, this is so they can avoid installing Patientline(tm)

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justinh:

they looked at Patientline apparently but decided against it cos £5 per day per patient to watch TV is extortion

[06:59:23]

justinh:

especially when the picture & sound provided are of such poor quality

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clever:

just give em all laptops and run myth on the network:P

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justinh:

oh a new message from the mail delivery system... let me guess...

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Beirdo:

yeah, that is extortion

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justinh:

it really sucks, that Patientline thing

[07:01:18]

justinh:

pay to view channels you get for free over the air ordinarily

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justinh:

they claim it has all the type approvals needed to coexist with medical equipment but I fail to see how, seen as the video & audio both have enormous amounts of mains hum on them

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justinh:

and the LCD panels always look like they were reclaimed out of something

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Beirdo:

because they likely were

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Beirdo:

and if they'd shield medical equipment properly, there'd be no extra approvals needed

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justinh:

http://www.boraston.net/blog/the-patientline-scam/

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justinh:

holy poop, it's worse than I thought

[07:08:03]

justinh:

and apparently the banning of mobile phones in UK hospitals was down to Patientline! A ban which has thankfully since been lifted. Wow

[07:08:46]

justinh:

and in other news Patientline are in BIG trouble financially. Yes!

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Beirdo:

get on the phone to your broker and short em good

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justinh:

my whatnow? :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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justinh:

wooowoo my wheel has been shipped. fast work. Should have it by the end of the week

[07:12:24]

justinh:

£40 out of pocket, that'll teach me to throw things around in a rage

[07:13:12]

justinh:

and the dog training club treasurer has been in touch to say yay to the hosting renewal but didn't mention paying for last year's hosting fees back to me. Hrm

[07:13:50]

justinh:

well, they either pay me or their website gets taken offline by the host. simples

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

justinh: that's the only way to get action, I bet

[07:20:28]

justinh:

the club secretary hasn't replied to a single email I've sent since she was elected

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justinh:

she doesn't 'do' email apparently

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justinh:

so FINE. Give me a call to discuss it, or collar me when I take my dog along. Sheesh. Woman

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Beirdo:

with a spiked collar for extra points

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Beirdo:

so... got a program ready for testing

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Beirdo:

hdpvr-power

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Beirdo:

command line args: device serial number, and one of: on, off, cycle

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justinh:

hah I read that back thinking maybe I chose the wrong turn of phrase there LOL

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Beirdo:

and I'll distribute the known chipids as part of the source code (to be installed in /etc so far)

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Beirdo:

isn't the English language fun for double entendres? :)

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justinh:

IMHO that case is only a double if you're au-fait with BDSM terminology

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justinh:

;)

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Beirdo:

hehe.

[07:27:00]

Beirdo:

I've seen punks with that getup too

[07:28:15]

justinh:

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-mo! eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-mo

[07:28:23]

Beirdo:

hehe

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justinh:

lol I just flashed back to a drunken discussion we had on the last work night out – got onto the most searched youtube term

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Beirdo:

oh oh

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justinh:

somebody happened to mention they once typed 'emo' into the search box & it autocompleted it to 'emo girls kissing' – which I had also discovered at one point

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Beirdo:

haha

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justinh:

I think they're fixed it since – or else preferences have shifted

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justinh:

that in turn reminded me of the last time I visited a friend in london & borrowed his laptop. needing to check on my home server I needed to download putty – which he consented to – but I typed 'p' into the search box.. which was autocompleted to PANTYHOSE. LOL

[07:31:37]

justinh:

HIS laptop. Hmmm

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

ummm

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justinh:

like er wth was he doing searching for that? I never brought it up ;-)

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Beirdo:

best not to

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jya:

weird..

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justinh:

stood out all the more cos that isn't what I consider a UK word. I hope it never is either.

[07:34:12]

jya:

My formatted UDF 1.5TB drive tells me that there's not enough space on the disk left to copy anything

[07:34:39]

jya:

but the drive is only 9% full according to df -k ; and 1% used for inodes (df -i)

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justinh:

weird indeedy

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clever:

jya: ive had similar problems with fat before, due to the root directory list being full

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jya:

looks like a ubuntu kernel bug; same report here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/583949

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clever:

the stupid mp3 player on the palm can only read files from the root dir, and fat has a limited size for the root dir

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jya:

This is UDF ; onle two directories at the root

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jya:

rhaaa.. this sucks... that's like my 3rd go in copying my videos file on an external disks.

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justinh:

backup the disk & format it to something that works :)

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jya:

justinh: the disk *is* my backup :)

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

oops

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jya:

find me a format that provides read&write access to most common OS ; and that supports > 4GB file ...

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jya:

ext3/ext4: linux only

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jya:

ntfs: windows only, linux support is more often than not dodgy ; and read-only on a mac

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jya:

so UDF looked like the way to go :(

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Beirdo:

lower yer expectations :)

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jya:

I like HFS+ ; but the utility in linux doesn't like when I create a partition > 512GB

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justinh:

I don't remember ever having had any joy using ubuntu's partitioning gui

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justinh:

tend to do it all by commandline

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jya:

justinh: this is using the command line

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jya:

it tells me that the partition size isn't a multiple of 4K

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justinh:

so what would be the use in having a backup of your linux box's media you can read on a windows box – if the ultimate destination is going to be the linux box again anyway?

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justinh:

I know it'd be 'nice' to be able to mount it on anything but do you need that?

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jya:

justinh: yes... at least so it can be read on windows, mac and linux

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jya:

without worrying about drivers

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Beirdo:

good luck

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Beirdo:

I think your best bet is to chop files into 4G chunks

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Beirdo:

reassemble them on whatever machine when you want to watch them

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Beirdo:

or 2G or whatever VFAT allows

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justinh:

or, do the writing on Windows :D

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Beirdo:

as that's teh most supported FS you will find

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jya:

Well, according to wikipedia, so is UFS

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jya:

UDF sorry

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jya:

looks like a bug in ubuntu kernel

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Beirdo:

sure... on DVDs

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jya:

wonder if I can upgrade the kernel drivers for UDF

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Beirdo:

UDF write capability as a FS (not as a built FS) has never really been too strong in any OS that I've heard of

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Beirdo:

making a UDF image for a DVD, sure

[07:56:05]

Beirdo:

using UDF live on a hard disc... nope

[07:56:23]

Beirdo:

it's getting better slowly, it seems

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Beirdo:

and packet-writing on CD-RW, I guess, but still, I've never heard of anyone using it on hard disc

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jya:

well, according to wikipedia, any > 2.6.26 ; Vista, OS 10.4.11, all fully supported

[07:57:53]

jya:

now the UDF project on sourceforge look very outdated

[07:58:10]

jya:

last release is in 2004; but the log shows activity last month

[07:58:19]

jya:

but looking at the code; all files are 8+ years old

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Beirdo:

look again

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Beirdo:

Linux 2.6, under write: partly (only up to Version 2.01)

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jya:

can't even start gparted since I formatted the disk to UDF

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jya:

great...

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Beirdo:

sure, it can read them, but writing is another story

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Beirdo:

anyways, bed for me

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Beirdo:

1am

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jya:

good night

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Beirdo:

bah

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Beirdo:

:)

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jya:

going to try ntfs then

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clever:

5am here

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jya:

read only is better than nothing

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clever:

i should have left long ago

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jya:

I'm only one hour later

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jya:

^

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jya:

6

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jya:

PM that is

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clever:

lol

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clever:

o

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jya:

hum.. NTFS write are *much* faster than UDF ; back to 85MB/s (as opposed to 25MB/s I was seeing with UDF)

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justinh:

oh Josh "Here are some HD flash videos: " those don't look very HD to me, fella

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justinh:

they might be high resolution or whatever but the bitrate is certainly looking like donkey suckage

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justinh:

bask in this still's stunning depiction of detail & colour rendition! Marvel at the absence of er... oh wait, it really does suck! http://imagebin.org/153660

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justinh:

and umm.. my desktop machine here had no trouble playing that.. he must be one of those Atom users

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mycosys:

anyone know how i would go about telling xorg that i am using anamorphic widescreen, and have a different horizontal to vertical dpi?

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justinh:

used to be the DISPLAYSIZE option in xorg.conf

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mycosys:

nvm – found a doc for it – apparently asked after jst too little googling

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quicksilver:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Display_Size has some info on it

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justinh:

I've got my frontend on DISPLAYSIZE 400 225 or similar :)

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justinh:

note: some drivers ignore it

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mycosys:

god i hope nv doesnt lol

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mycosys:

nasatv looks odd squashed

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justinh:

ugh. been asked to find a new source for ATA100 cables. Why are we still using ATA?!

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justinh:

oh. the LEGACY products. customers apparently still want them. I think that speaks volumes

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mycosys:

1280 720 seem about right for a 56" widescreen

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mycosys:

justinh?

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mycosys:

16x80 by 9x80

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justinh:

dunno

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justinh:

using 400 225 on my telly seems to work fine

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justinh:

unless it's being ignored by the intel driver

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mycosys:

that says 40cm by 22.5 cm

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justinh:

the *ratio* is what's important

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justinh:

(so I read somewhere)

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justinh:

as for our LEGACY products – they're the ones which don't have stupid web-based java driven UIs – where you press a button on the front panel and SOMETHING HAPPENS IMMEDIATELY. And the screen doesn't redraw like something out of a 70s scifi film. I mean you don't *see* the screen being redrawn

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quicksilver:

the absolute size will be used to calculate the DPI, which affects certain X apps which like to use 'physical' font sizes

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quicksilver:

but it shouldn't affect myth itself

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quicksilver:

so for myth it's only the ratio that's important. IIRC.

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justinh:

doesn't matter either way IMHO, since X is so bloody poor at rendering fonts

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justinh:

jumbling characters all over the bloody place

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justinh:

mangling kerning...

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mycosys:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Specifying_DPI_for_NVIDIA_Cards special method for nvidia (of course)

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justinh:

but of course!

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justinh:

whoah who are these time machine operators still building mythtv from cvs?

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mycosys:

4:3 is 100 by 100 so wtf is 16:9 lol

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mycosys:

aaargh

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mycosys:

100 by 75?

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justinh:

400 225 is 16:9 :)

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mycosys:

i mean the nvidia method – dpi

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justinh:

ah

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justinh:

400 by 300. lol

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mycosys:

so – 100 by 75 is right lol

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mycosys:

same ratio

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justinh:

800x600 would be a 4:3 square pixel ratio

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justinh:

but PAL & NTSC aren't regarded as using square pixels

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mycosys:

i just need to convert the system from thinkin the display is 4:3 to thinkin it is 16:9 lol

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justinh:

is it a PAL TV?

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mycosys:

so if 100x100 is 4:3 then 100x75 is 14:9 lol

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mycosys:

yeah 576i widescreen

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justinh:

is 100 the max number for those?

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mycosys:

nah – is dpi

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mycosys:

i dont wanna go small lol

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justinh:

anyway FWIW ignore the fact that 100x75 is a 14:9 ratio, because 100x100 isn't 1:1

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mycosys:

400 dpi would be tiny

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justinh:

if 100x100 is 4:3 then 16:9 would logically be 400x300, and 400/4=100 and 300/4 = 75 giving you 100x75. should be ok I'd have thought

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mycosys:

was a bit big, went to 80x60

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mycosys:

didnt fix plash player for ustream

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mycosys:

justinh – wrong way round – 60 x 80

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justinh:

"It was noted and brought to the attention of the client during the survey that the memory requirement of these PC’s required upgrading from 512K to 1024K". LOL

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wagnerrp:

so... this is the mid 80s?

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justinh:

no, a new customer site evaluation

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raker:

I'm running 0.25 from the official Gentoo ebuild. things work great... except now about half my music collection is decoding to a "static" sound... any ideas?

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justinh:

there is no 0.25 yet

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justinh:

you're running master, so you should be following the -dev & -commits mailing lists to keep in touch with possible problems you might run into

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wagnerrp:

justinh: actually, we nixed that practice with this latest cycle

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raker:

https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/blob/mast . . . 10515.ebuild

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justinh:

really? bah. I thought that was a good thing

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wagnerrp:

in the end, it just caused too much confusion for users, and problems for packagers

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wagnerrp:

id much rather have a 'mythtv-0.25-pre' than a 'mythtv-9999'

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justinh:

never understood why anybody would want to run packages of trunkish

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raker:

I would love to debug this... it seems to be specific bitrates that are decoding wrong... but i don't see any option (like video) where you can switch and use the internal or external decoders

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justinh:

it's not that big a deal to build it yourself, and if you don't have the chops to do that, I doubt you've the nouse to debug it and report problems properly

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wagnerrp:

mythmusic never supported external players

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justinh:

raker: so report the stats for the stuff which is failing. maybe even provide example clips. maybe even open a ticket

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wagnerrp:

is this a recent thing? perhaps from the last ffmpeg sync?

[12:18:22]

wagnerrp:

there really hasnt been anything done to mythmusic this cycle

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raker:

yeah... it happened recently... was working well a couple weeks ago... and ffmpeg did just get a bump on my system...

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wagnerrp:

no, not ffmpeg on your system

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does not use your system's ffmpeg

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justinh:

well, find the files which are going wrong & investigate the bitrate, samplerate etc

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justinh:

external ffmpeg can be handy for that :)

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raker:

okay... now that I am pushing this harder... i'm seeing it only occassionally error on files now.... it appears to have no problem with 128kb mp3s... but 192kb mp3s it is hit and miss with.

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justinh:

could be more a sound config thing. do external players have the same problem?

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raker:

no... external player plays perfect every time

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raker:

maybe has something to do with the enabled visualizations? thats the only config option ive changed i think before it breaking...

[12:32:56]

raker:

disabling visualizations...

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raker:

disabling visualizations didn't help...

[12:36:06]

raker:

but if i load the song 1, 2, and on the 3rd time.. it plays just fine...

[12:36:26]

raker:

but the first 2 times i hit "play" its all noise

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justinh:

anything special to note like HDMI audio / digital passthrough?

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raker:

nope... just using emu10k driver ... analog input/output...

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raker:

stereo... no 5.1 anything

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raker:

well, in any case... i'm gonna continue trying to resolve this.. any suggestions for where to turn up logging so I "might" be able to find the core of the problem? :)

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justinh:

mythfrontend -v help for clues

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raker:

turned up playback verbosity... and nothing different for the bad playback... so i'm gonna try a different sound card... this may be my culprit

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raker:

thanks for the responses :)

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justinh:

remind me never to buy anything with emu chips on it again :) Oh wait..

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justinh:

Creative, hyping their DSP tech since the year dot.. and precisely how much use is it in linux again? ;-)

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hashbang:

even less when you connect your sound card to an AV amp via co-ax or fibre. :-)

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justinh:

oh but JITTER!

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justinh:

jitter matters!

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** hashbang has never heard it, despite using bog-standard Maplin co-ax **

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justinh:

I doubt you ever will

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hashbang:

and entry-level Yamaha AV amp

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justinh:

differences in the mark-space ratio between the 1s and 0s likely have no measurable effect on the output audio

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hashbang:

I'm also using el-cheapo plastic fibre via a fibre-switch from my games consoles. No issues there, either. :-)

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** hashbang isn't much of an audiophile. **

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hashbang:

my tips: 1) look after your source media 2) use good speakers

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hashbang:

oh, and 3) listen with your ears, not an oscilloscope or spectrum analyser

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pladijs:

I'd like to have a dekstop alongside running alongside myth. I tried to run a second X server on vt8, but this totally screwed up myth, with segfaults even.

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hashbang:

pladijs: probably a graphics driver issue, or a desktop environment (GNOME/KDE) locking issue. What driver and DE are you using?

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pladijs:

My question is: what is a good way of achieving this? starting up xfce and automatically starting the frontend in xfce; switching with alt-tab

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pladijs:

i have an ati, it gave me quite some headaches

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pladijs:

hashbang: gdm appartently does not support running two x servers on a separate vt out of the box anymore, patches are needed (i found this quite shocking)

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hashbang:

pladijs: running multiple X servers on a single host /should/ work, and used to, but stuff like that gets overlooked in the rush for MOAR FRAMEZ and MOAR BLING

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justinh:

so why not, not use gdm

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pladijs:

so how do you guys do this, do you run multiple x'es, do you use gdm? or do you alt-tab?

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hashbang:

pladijs: What you say about gdm is disappointing, but I'm not really surprised anymore. It's all about aping Windows these days, even if that means throwing out UNIX-unique features that used to work.

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pladijs:

or maybe you don't run a sesktop alongside

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hashbang:

pladijs: I just use a desktop manager and use CTRL-ALT-[Cursor Keys] to switch between desktops

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pladijs:

ah, i see. thats the kind of simple solution i'm looking for

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justinh:

hashbang: LOL. apparently jitter can reduce the noise floor of the system by maybe as much as 1 or 2 bits!

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pladijs:

does xfce supprt multiple desktops?

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pladijs:

also, before going to muuch ot: can i automatically start up things on a specific desktop?

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** hashbang uses bog-standard out-of-the-Fedora-box GNOME, and it's WM (metacity? ratpoison? I have no idea these days) does **

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hashbang:

pladijs: you might be able to script it. I suspect you'll need to issue a command to switch to a virtual desktop, wait a few secs, start your apps, then switch to another

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hashbang:

pladijs: I'm just guessing, though

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hashbang:

pladijs: mythfrontend starts on the default, and that's good enough for me

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pladijs:

and then you alt-tab=cursorkey to an empty desktop.

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hashbang:

pladijs: yup

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hashbang:

pladijs: I only tend to use that alt desktop for fixing stuff, diagnostics, etc

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pladijs:

ok, that looks great. i'll look for a desktop which accepts easy-to-write orders from the command line to get this tiny bit extra.

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hashbang:

pladijs: if you wanted some app there (e.g. a browser) that might be a useful thing

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pladijs:

i'd also like a panel with buttons, and libreoffice and stuff. for the wife

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justinh:

just get another computer :-)

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pladijs:

not an option, i'm sure you understand :D

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hashbang:

justinh: yup, it's pretty uncomfortable trying to use a TV as a PC monitor. Might be OK with an HD LCD/Plasma, I guess

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justinh:

FWIW I tried palming my wife off with Openoffice. She didn't like it one bit. They reckon it's compatible but it ain't. Not really

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hashbang:

pladijs: ah, the dreaded WAF.

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pladijs:

you bet

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iamlindoro:

justinh, Openoffice is a complete trainwreck-- I'm convinced it has not future whatsoever. If I can't stand to use it and I'm a technical person, what hope does the average non-technical user?

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justinh:

I have to use it for work

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pladijs:

is there an alternative then?

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iamlindoro:

Google docs is pretty solid, though

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justinh:

it's a nightmare

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justinh:

it has the same bugs as MS Office too

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justinh:

pretty sure those are intended

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justinh:

e.g. select a bulleted or numbered list, change the font or font size. One or more bullets or number points will stay the same and will stand out. Sucky

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justinh:

for just making standalone docs, OO is ok

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justinh:

but like with most of this stuff if you just want to write a letter there are better ways

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pladijs:

thanks for your valuable input all, i have to go.

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pladijs:

ah, one more thing, i have the impression that myth/my WM was confused about focus or something similar. Sometimes the frontend (or mythwelcome) would be visible, but not responsive until i ctr-alt-f1 and ctrl-alt-vt7 back.

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justinh:

it's time for mythwelcome to go to that place in the sky. I decided that the moment I saw it for the first ever time

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pladijs:

is that a known thing? maybe it will disappear if i change my desktop layout and keep the default desktop dedicated to mythfrontend

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hashbang:

pladijs: yeah, I think I've seen that. I put it down to a race condition between mythfrontend and the DE starting up.

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pladijs:

DE?

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hashbang:

Desktop Environment

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justinh:

honestly though, I hope your system has lots of crunch to be able to eat up apps starting up etc & not affect playback

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pladijs:

but it happens even after startup, intermittent, just after using the frontend for a while

[13:48:29]

justinh:

especially the very hungry office crap

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pladijs:

justinh: its brand new, an i5 with 4G, should that sufice.

[13:48:49]

pladijs:

i read that you find it generally a bad idea to put too much office stuff on a htpc

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justinh:

java based stuff can cripple any machine for a time

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hashbang:

justinh: oh, OO.o dicks around with focus. Anti-social app that it is.

[13:49:34]

hashbang:

justinh: ionice is handy. I peppered my copy of the mythburn.py script with 'em, and I can now create DVDs whilst recording and playing back without any issues.

[13:49:50]

pladijs:

but i'll definitely take all this into account, get rid of oo and things.

[13:49:52]

justinh:

create DVDs? LOL

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hashbang:

justinh: well, I take DVDs of stuff I've recorded over to my gf's house to watch

[13:50:45]

hashbang:

justinh: also, my dad asks me to record stuff for him

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justinh:

my dad did that. I suggested he go & buy a freeview dvr

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hashbang:

justinh: I've tried, but he's tighter than me.

[13:51:50]

justinh:

so's mine

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hashbang:

justinh: also, I'd end up doing tech support for that as well.

[13:52:03]

justinh:

burning disks is like eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew so time consuming

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pladijs:

justinh: do you see an easy alternative for mythwelcome then? i need the system to suspend after being "idle" in the sense that nobody is using mythweb or the frontend.

[13:52:51]

justinh:

frankly, I couldn't care :)

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hashbang:

justinh: the burning's fine, it's the editing that's a hassle. At least most of the stuff he asks for is classical gigs off the BBC, so trimming the continuity at the beginning and end is a 2 minute job.

[13:53:13]

justinh:

I power my frontend down when I'm done with it every night

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justinh:

hashbang: even with mytharchive? I gave up on it

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hashbang:

pladijs: mine stays on, and runs xscreensaver (mythfrontend inhibits the screensaver when it's playing back)

[13:54:09]

pladijs:

things is my neighbours use mythweb

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justinh:

I might've been bothered to debug it, had it not been such a pain to repeat everything

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justinh:

your neighbours can go to hell :-)

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hashbang:

justinh: yup, mytharchive works well for me. Use Project-X as the demuxer/cutter.

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pladijs:

hashbang: ic, that's great. only on playback.

[13:55:26]

hashbang:

pladijs: also means I don't burn my TV phosphor if I fall asleep in front of the telly

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** hashbang whistles, innocently. **

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

LCDs can burn too. The one on the local Spar shop round here has MHEG graphics burnt onto it

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justinh:

I dunno how, but it's plainly visible

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hashbang:

justinh: yup, we've got a bunch of info panel LCDs burnt like that

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pladijs:

my current situation is that mythwelcome suspends when the frontend is not used, any keystroke wakes up, and (for the neighbours) loggin into a site on my dd wrt runs a WOL script which wakes up the system. When the mythweb page is closed, the system again suspends.

[13:57:49]

hashbang:

pladijs: cute!

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hashbang:

I suspect there might be a bit of demand to add some kind of multi-user facility to MythTV

[13:58:32]

pladijs:

can i get xscreensaver to run a suspend command?

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hashbang:

e.g. so parents can record (and hide!) stuff, schools can use it to record programmes for multiple classes, and neighbours can share a server.

[13:58:58]

justinh:

why let your neighbours on though?

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hashbang:

justinh: not for me either, but pladijs sounds like a nice guy. :-)

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hashbang:

justinh: also, one of my neighbours are ****s

[13:59:55]

justinh:

one side of mine are too

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justinh:

the woman, not so much. the bloke.. is smackable

[14:01:24]

pladijs:

I live in a house with 8 appartments, 5 of them are on my myth-system, mainly for file-sharing. I get things in return.

[14:01:35]

hashbang:

;-)

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pladijs:

guys, thanks a bunch for your input,really

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pladijs:

have to go

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hashbang:

justinh: I wonder if pladijs was Dutch?

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justinh:

sigh. yet another black mark against the project

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hashbang:

justinh: que?

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justinh:

mainly for sharing

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hashbang:

ah, yeah

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hashbang:

might be legal wherever pladijs lives, though

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hashbang:

also, we don't know what was being shared

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justinh:

still... doesn't look good

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hashbang:

one might assume copyrighted material via P2P, but...

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justinh:

when is ever anything else?

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justinh:

s/is/is\ it

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nidhoegger:

hi, im trying to compile the newest mythtv in the gentoo repos. its version 0.23.1_p27077. but im getting build error on the file mpeg2fix.h. here is the end of the buildlog: http://pastebin.ca/2062672 error begins @ line 21

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nidhoegger:

can anyone help me with this?

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nidhoegger:

i already ran revdep-rebuild to check for broken libs, but its not finding any error

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nidhoegger:

for me it looks like problems with qt3 support

[16:33:06]

nidhoegger:

or should i use a overlay to geht version 0.24 (is it stable already?)

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wagnerrp:

0.24 is plenty stable

[16:37:12]

wagnerrp:

https://github.com/mythtv/packaging/Gentoo/

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nidhoegger:

404 :(

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DeviceZer0:

https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/tree/master/Gentoo

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nidhoegger:

thanks!

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DeviceZer0:

np :)

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nidhoegger:

did anything change in the diseqc.cpp? cause i need to patch that to gain unicable support :(

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nidhoegger:

hope the patch will still work....

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wagnerrp:

seems i guessed horribly wrong

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nidhoegger:

okay

[16:49:57]

nidhoegger:

little problem

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nidhoegger:

mythtv requres a higher version of nvidia-drivers which i can install

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nidhoegger:

got a geforce 4 mx running...

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nidhoegger:

it requires about version 140, i can only go up to 96

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wagnerrp:

hehe... yeah

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wagnerrp:

requires 180

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nidhoegger:

so no mythtv 0.24 for me, right?

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wagnerrp:

at the time, i figured that was safe

[16:51:08]

wagnerrp:

no, you will just have to alter your local copy of the ebuild and re-digest

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nidhoegger:

yeah, it drops support for the geforce 4 series completely

[16:51:14]

nidhoegger:

ill do

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nidhoegger:

so it will work with older versions?

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wagnerrp:

it was set at 180 for vdpau support

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wagnerrp:

and i believe those drivers continue to support all the way back to the 5-series

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nidhoegger:

yes

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wagnerrp:

6-series rather

[16:52:36]

nidhoegger:

but maybe the ebuild should be edited to only requesting the higher version if vdpau is in the useflags

[16:52:42]

nidhoegger:

i dont have vdpau in my USE

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nidhoegger:

okay, removed the check for the driver version...lets see if it compiles

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wagnerrp:

make sure to digest or portage will refuse

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nidhoegger:

did that ;)

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nidhoegger:

but thanks

[16:55:34]

nidhoegger:

im atm unmasking everything it needs

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nidhoegger:

wagnerrp, are you a developer of mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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nidhoegger:

will there be unicable support in the next versions?

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wagnerrp:

i dont know what unicable is

[16:58:47]

nidhoegger:

its also known as SCR (Sattelite Channel Routing)

[16:59:06]

nidhoegger:

its a system to connect more than one receiver per cable

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wagnerrp:

dont know much about DVB-S, and even less about DiSEcQ

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nidhoegger:

okay...

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wagnerrp:

both are pretty much useless over in north america

[17:00:06]

nidhoegger:

really?

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nidhoegger:

everythink DVB-C?

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wagnerrp:

we use ATSC, not DVB-T... we use some unnamed QAM modulation, not DVB-C

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nidhoegger:

kay

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wagnerrp:

our subscription satellite providers are all encrypted with no CAM support

[17:02:34]

nidhoegger:

something i dont know anything about :D

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wagnerrp:

and the C-band stuff is hardly worth the effort

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nidhoegger:

i think ill write a auto unmask script soon -.-

[17:04:35]

nidhoegger:

damn perl is buggin around with millions of masked packages

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wagnerrp:

no need, just start spawning your own ebuilds

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wagnerrp:

oh... nevermind

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wagnerrp:

unmask, not the nvidia thing

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nidhoegger:

yes

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wagnerrp:

i was going to say, theres a python script in scripts/ that generates new ebuilds for mythtv, and all the plugins

[17:08:01]

wagnerrp:

you give it a hash, and it spits out new ones and digests

[17:08:17]

nidhoegger:

yeah, ive seen it

[17:08:30]

nidhoegger:

why did u use EAPI 4?

[17:08:36]

nidhoegger:

ah no

[17:08:38]

nidhoegger:

its not mythtv

[17:08:39]

nidhoegger:

its perl

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nidhoegger:

so i need to go to portage testing -.-

[17:09:28]

wagnerrp:

surely the EAPI4 perl is masked

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nidhoegger:

mythtv requests it...

[17:10:44]

wagnerrp:

libwww-perl-6? why are we pulling in a perl6 module...

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nidhoegger:

i dont know

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Floppe:

search on marcT at github, git pull and set portage overlay.. voila

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nidhoegger:

and libwww-perl-6 is pulling many many EAPI 4 packages (most HTTP stuff for perl)

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wagnerrp:

mark doesnt update his ebuilds

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wagnerrp:

Floppe: ^^^

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Floppe:

I know, but they do work for me

[17:13:43]

Floppe:

think someone else updates them for him

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wagnerrp:

no, he has done that funky '-9999' version that always pulls from the head of the repository

[17:14:43]

wagnerrp:

meaning you have to force a rebuild, you cant simply update

[17:14:53]

wagnerrp:

not to mention the fact that that is a horribly ugly approach

[17:15:06]

wagnerrp:

and one that can not be supported upstream by gentoo

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nidhoegger:

i dont like the variables i need to set in my make.conf @ his ebuilds

[17:15:53]

nidhoegger:

and if there are official ebuilds available, then i will use them, cause its more likeley that they work than his

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nidhoegger:

and with the symlinkes script they update @ every world update

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nidhoegger:

i mean every sync

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wagnerrp:

nidhoegger: the only perl stuff ive got keyworded are dev-perl/DateTime-Format-ISO8601 -Format-Builder, and -Format-Strptime

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Floppe:

I can agree its ugly but I didnt have to set any vars or update anything on every sync

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nidhoegger:

http://pastebin.ca/2062725 this is what i wanted me to unmask

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nidhoegger:

i dont have to either :D

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wagnerrp:

mark's ebuilds also require you to maintain your own local git repository in your distfiles directory

[17:19:09]

wagnerrp:

nidhoegger: i wonder if those perl issues were some new ebuild from them in the last few days

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wagnerrp:

i never had to do anything special to get them installed as of the 0508 0.25 build

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nidhoegger:

strange

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, you're on ~arch?

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wagnerrp:

amd64

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

I had to unmask them too

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kormoc:

or rather keyword them

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but i didnt have to touch EAPI, and it was only three to keyword, not many

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wagnerrp:

might be because hes running x86? its not being tested as much?

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kormoc:

could be

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nidhoegger:

wagnerrp, if youre on ~arch you have the testing portage...which is EAPI 4...after installing testing portage (wwith package.keywords) the EAPI masks were gone, but there were many other masks

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Beirdo:

morning, people :)

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wagnerrp:

im running portage 2.1.9.42, so whatever eapi version that is...

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: unrelated question...

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wagnerrp:

is it possible for an open AC circuit to draw power?

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Beirdo:

not a truly open circuit, no

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Beirdo:

however, there will likely be some leakage at the switch, etc

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Beirdo:

they aren't really infinite resistance, more like hundreds of megaohms or something, likely

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Beirdo:

so, no significant draw

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justinh:

wagnerrp: if it's a mechanically switched circuit then no but if it's a solid state relay or similar (like, say an X10 module) some power may be drawn to power the electronics inside. otherwise you can consider the 'off' current to be negligible

[18:45:40]

justinh:

for a mechanical switch you can count the leakage in terms of resistance of the air between contacts which as beirdo said will be in the high order of megohms :)

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Beirdo:

ah yes, forgot about the always-on electronics

[18:51:07]

Beirdo:

also, surge protection gear can draw some current too, although usually primarily of the in-rush variety, IIRC

[18:51:32]

justinh:

it's usually like 1Meg Ohm & like a 100nF cap though... do the sums :)

[18:51:41]

justinh:

snubbers etc

[18:52:16]

Beirdo:

yeah, some current, but fairly small, especially once the cap is charged

[18:52:23]

justinh:

oh and don't forget the dodgy tactic of manufacturers having an always-on mains PSU & only switch the DC side

[18:52:51]

Beirdo:

oh, you mean like all modern PCs? (spit)

[18:53:10]

justinh:

I was using a few RF remote switches a while back, til I found out they were drawing 3W apiece OFF

[18:53:18]

Beirdo:

holy crap

[18:53:32]

justinh:

Beirdo: modern PSUs are much better, more like 0.5W these days for my 80+

[18:54:00]

justinh:

Beirdo: only takes a few mA to make a couple of watts remember ;)

[18:54:13]

Beirdo:

true

[18:54:16]

justinh:

TV standby power too

[18:56:39]

justinh:

lots of those nasty mains switches (X10 too) use really hackish capacitive or resistive divider PSUs to get their juice – not as bad as a wall-wart but still...

[18:57:09]

justinh:

they're supposed to be safe in theory but if a component ever goes short it fries the electronics in a flash. literally :D

[18:58:18]

justinh:

met a washing machine programmer (broken) which got its power by.. this is good... dropping the mains via a resistor, diode & a zener – right onto the logic rails. Zener fails short... KABOOM

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zzattack`:

what database table holds the channel names? and can i change them there?

[18:59:33]

wagnerrp:

change them in the channel editor

[18:59:45]

zzattack`:

the channel scan didnt pick up the channel names

[18:59:52]

zzattack`:

i got them though, but i'd rather not do that 60 times manually

[18:59:56]

zzattack`:

if i can just run a query instead

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justinh:

we're trying to discourage users from doing this

[19:00:21]

justinh:

indeed one day you likely won't be able to

[19:00:27]

justinh:

embedded DB :D

[19:00:31]

zzattack`:

well

[19:00:37]

wagnerrp:

zzattack`: then use the channel editor in mythweb

[19:00:43]

wagnerrp:

change them all at once, hit save

[19:00:44]

zzattack`:

that'd be fine if the scanner picked up the names correctly :P

[19:01:00]

wagnerrp:

the channel scanner only pick up the names as they are broadcast

[19:01:11]

wagnerrp:

it would be nice if the broadcasters sent them correctly...

[19:01:18]

zzattack`:

hmm

[19:01:21]

zzattack`:

looks like my query worked then

[19:01:33]

zzattack`:

they show up in the web interface correctly

[19:01:41]

justinh:

zzattack`: okay, so fix it by whatever means you have to now, and open a ticket describing the problem, maybe including dumps from dvbsnoop

[19:01:48]

zzattack`:

i also restarted the frontend and backend

[19:02:01]

zzattack`:

but in my frontend the channel names still arent listed

[19:02:05]

justinh:

cos I tell you this for free, any problem unreported is one that will never be fixed

[19:02:24]

justinh:

zzattack`: did you fill callsign or channel name?

[19:02:32]

zzattack`:

channel name

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justinh:

callsign is blank? not sure if that's allowed

[19:03:18]

zzattack`:

nah it isnt

[19:03:41]

justinh:

there you go then :)

[19:03:50]

zzattack`:

i mean it's not blank

[19:03:53]

justinh:

ah

[19:04:08]

zzattack`:

maybe i need to run mythfilldatabase

[19:04:26]

justinh:

anyway, you still need to report this if you ever want it to be fixed. there are already lots of workarounds for different countries' broadcast 'standards'

[19:05:53]

zzattack`:

well i'm pretty sure it's the dvb-c provider that messes up

[19:05:59]

zzattack`:

is it really up to myth to fix it?

[19:06:21]

justinh:

cable broadcasters generally leave it up to their STBs to sort it all out

[19:06:47]

justinh:

the DVB standards are well defined and they choose not to work to them

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wagnerrp:

why make everything interoperable when you can do your own funky crap and make it a nuisance to use anything but your own leased hardware?

[19:08:53]

justinh:

the boxes are generally 'free' AFAIK

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Beirdo:

Hmm, wonder if there's a way to tell mp3fs to add like 6dB gain before reencoding

[19:15:56]

wagnerrp:

maybe it supports replaygain?

[19:16:13]

Beirdo:

doubtful

[19:16:47]

Beirdo:

and my flacs don't have it set... I know I capture fairly hot, but usually at about -3dB peak

[19:17:34]

wagnerrp:

looks like replaygain is applied directly at encoding

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Beirdo:

and my sound setup at work... is frigging low

[19:17:55]

wagnerrp:

since there is no universal standard on storage, it cannot be reliably passed through in the tags to the player

[19:18:03]

Beirdo:

I know the headphones on the ripping box are just about perfect :)

[19:18:14]

Beirdo:

yeah

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zzattack`:

hmm so it appears my channel names are stored correctly but the frontend lists them as unknown, is that a known issue?

[19:19:09]

wagnerrp:

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&a . . . ;atid=868947

[19:19:37]

wagnerrp:

zzattack`: has your frontend not been restarted since you scanned them?

[19:20:14]

zzattack`:

yes

[19:20:26]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: theres an article on slashdot about network addressable lightbulbs for home automation

[19:20:33]

Beirdo:

hehe

[19:20:45]

wagnerrp:

its amusing the people who just completely fail to grasp the absurdity of the scale of ipv6

[19:20:52]

Beirdo:

heh

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justinh:

wagnerrp: anything about standby current of those? ;-)

[19:20:59]

Beirdo:

like my boss

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wagnerrp:

'if we foolishly waste addresses like this, well run out just like we did ipv4'

[19:21:27]

Beirdo:

as I've told him..,. we could give every human a /64 at birth and not run out for thousands of years

[19:21:30]

wagnerrp:

justinh: thats where the question originally came from

[19:21:37]

justinh:

ah :)

[19:21:47]

wagnerrp:

considering these would have to be always powered, always pulling minimal current

[19:22:00]

Beirdo:

and give every company a /64 when it's created...

[19:22:16]

Beirdo:

and we still wouldn't run out

[19:22:58]

Beirdo:

do these people not understand... a /64 is twice as many addressable bits as all of IPv4?

[19:23:01]

wagnerrp:

can we actually handle the routing if users were given static addresses and allowed to move between carriers?

[19:23:11]

Beirdo:

now, that's another issue :)

[19:23:15]

wagnerrp:

clearly you dont understand either

[19:23:33]

Beirdo:

I made no claims about making it WORK

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

oh... .addressable bits

[19:23:42]

Beirdo:

yeah, the routing tables would suck

[19:23:42]

wagnerrp:

not addresses

[19:23:43]

wagnerrp:

my bad

[19:24:13]

Beirdo:

it gives you x^2, where x = number of addresses in all of IPv4

[19:24:14]

Beirdo:

:)

[19:24:26]

Beirdo:

and.. I have a /64, and a /48

[19:24:30]

wagnerrp:

right

[19:24:33]

wagnerrp:

ditto

[19:24:41]

Beirdo:

and can get more for free (on my other tunnels)

[19:25:28]

Beirdo:

"oh, but we'll still run out. don't forget, nobody needs more than 640kB memory"

[19:25:33]

Beirdo:

pullleeease

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zzattack`:

Beirdo: how do u route ipv6?

[19:26:24]

zzattack`:

dedicated router box? running what?

[19:26:41]

GreyFoxx:

This is what I like to see, IPv6 discussions :)

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zzattack`:

i've used a HE tunnel for a few months with pfsense but it was unstable crap

[19:27:55]

wagnerrp:

zzattack`: im on a HE tunnel right now, no problems

[19:28:01]

GreyFoxx:

Here at my work all of our routers are linux based, including the edge routers running BGP to our upstreams, including our IPv6 BGP feeds. I feed my house with our IPv6 addresses via a 6in4 tunnel until I can get around to finish pushing native ipv6 through the rest of our network

[19:28:27]

justinh:

Beirdo: nobody will ever need a computer in their house, one computer per country will be enough

[19:28:27]

wagnerrp:

on a little embedded system running stock fbsd, not pfsense

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wagnerrp:

zzattack`: a few rules in my pf.conf, running rtadvd, and ive not had problems since

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Beirdo:

zzattack`: I use tunnels

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Beirdo:

I have a tunnel at home, one on my linode, one at work, one at my EC2

[19:31:24]

Beirdo:

eventurally... we'll have IPv6 native...

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justinh:

hahaha! Sky have poached Glee from Channel Four. Boooya!

[19:32:01]

Beirdo:

it it really nice to give NAT the finger, I tell ya

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justinh:

our zeroconf crap at work discovers all the components itself. every time it reboots. LOL

[19:32:17]

justinh:

and it ain't quick at it either

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Beirdo:

and other than radvd falling over once in a while, it's pretty solid at home

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Beirdo:

except in OSX

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Beirdo:

OSX is a pain in the arse. It loses the DNS mappings for IPv6 lookups, but then if you ping6 it, it comes back

[19:33:20]

justinh:

so now, if you need to rob a bank & not be identified, just kill the power for 30 secs – enough to buy you 15 minutes of CCTV-free time :D

[19:33:24]

Beirdo:

it's the lousy DNS service they are using

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: what are you using for local name resolution?

[19:34:07]

wagnerrp:

just static DNS entries?

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Beirdo:

nothing :)

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Beirdo:

I use my public IPv6

[19:34:39]

Beirdo:

although I'm thinking of putting in split-horizon service for ipv4

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zzattack`:

does the frontend actually show the channel name after u change the channel?

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GreyFoxx:

Hrm, the notify OSD works just fine for my with the IPv6 code in place... wonder why it's not working for warped

[19:36:37]

Beirdo:

because he's special

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Beirdo:

GreyFoxx: you have any Stan Rogers LPs? :)

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Beirdo:

Canadiana++

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GreyFoxx:

Hehe No, just a couple of MP3's :)

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Beirdo:

I want the LP with Barrett's Privateers on it.

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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GreyFoxx:

No idea where you would get one of those :)

[19:38:58]

Beirdo:

ebay... or a lot of hunting

[19:39:10]

Beirdo:

I bought Northwest Passage on ebay

[19:40:08]

Beirdo:

$15 for Fogarty's Cove (the one I want)

[19:40:09]

Beirdo:

blah

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Beirdo:

plus shipping... from Kelowna

[19:41:09]

Beirdo:

crap, that's a CD.

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Beirdo:

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Beirdo:

ooh, here's an LP for $4 plus shipping from oHIo.

[19:42:23]

Beirdo:

let's bid

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Beirdo:

anyways, I look forward to using IPv6 for mythtv as soon as tonight :)

[19:44:02]

Beirdo:

hehe

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

I use static ULA entries on all of my myth boxes for intermyth communication

[19:46:41]

GreyFoxx:

an gua for other stuff

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Beirdo:

interesting

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Beirdo:

I just use the public IP for everything

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GreyFoxx:

I never wanted to renumber them, even if my upstream/ipv6 source changed

[19:48:24]

Beirdo:

fair enough

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GreyFoxx:

which it has since I started the patch :)

[19:48:39]

GreyFoxx:

at first I was using HE tunnels, and now I have some from work

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Beirdo:

and they can easily have the same internal address

[19:48:56]

Beirdo:

good point

[19:49:20]

Beirdo:

well then I WOULD want a split-horizon DNS setup

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SpaceBass:

hey folks, anyone using myth export on ubuntu? having trouble with ffmpeg reporting that slowpass is not a valid option

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tgm4883:

rhpot1991, ^

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rhpot1991:

SpaceBass: pastebin what you are seeing for me

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rhpot1991:

SpaceBass: what version of ubuntu, and do you have medibuntu endabled?

[20:02:10]

SpaceBass:

rhpot1991, paste bin coming up, running 11.04 server, yes mediabuntu is enabled

[20:02:32]

rhpot1991:

SpaceBass: which config are you using?

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SpaceBass:

rhpot1991, portable high

[20:02:50]

rhpot1991:

h264?

[20:02:54]

SpaceBass:

yes

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rhpot1991:

ok, lets see that pastebin whenever you get it

[20:03:18]

GreyFoxx:

Anyone using a good USB stick/PXE/CD based linux distro? I use to use slax for bringing up a quick desktop, or for bringing up a squick commandline for system repair and trouble shooting but it looks like that project is effectively dead :/

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NewBuntu81:

oooh, split-horizon. not something you hear about often!

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rhpot1991:

GreyFoxx: I just use ubuntu on usb for that

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: DSL ?

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GreyFoxx:

justin: I'll give that a shot. Whatever I pick I want to be something I can setup to PXE boot, do off a usb stick and boot directly off a CD

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GreyFoxx:

rhp: I've never run into that one :)

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SpaceBass:

rhpot1991, heres the paste bin of /var/log/mythtv/mythexport http://pastebin.ca/2062805

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rhpot1991:

SpaceBass: is this a fresh ubuntu install or upgrade?

[20:08:51]

SpaceBass:

rhpot1991, fresh

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SpaceBass:

(although due to disk failure, to by choice :) )

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NewBuntu81:

Is anyone able to troubleshoot an IR blaster configuration? See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=658628. I'm still having problems and I've tried everything mentioned on various pages.

[20:09:43]

rhpot1991:

SpaceBass: pastebin what your /usr/share/ffmpeg/ looks like

[20:10:32]

SpaceBass:

rhpot1991, http://pastebin.ca/2062808

[20:10:40]

SpaceBass:

thanks, btw, was wondering where those files where

[20:11:11]

rhpot1991:

you have libx264-slowfirstpass.ffpreset for sure

[20:11:24]

rhpot1991:

SpaceBass: any chance you somehow have more than one instance of ffmpeg installed or something?

[20:11:43]

rhpot1991:

ie, you didn't compile by hand or anything?

[20:11:47]

SpaceBass:

rhpot1991, yes that is possible, although I'm fairly sure I've gotten rid of the rouge copy

[20:12:06]

SpaceBass:

rhpot1991, yes, initially I did compile by hand, but was reasonably sure I removed that copy forcefully

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zzattack`:

where can i find mythweb error logs? i'm getting a 500 but nothing shows up in my apache logs

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rhpot1991:

SpaceBass: I'm pretty sure that you didn't get rid of it fully

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SpaceBass:

if I do a which ffmpeg I get: /usr/bin/ffmpeg if I do an apt-get remove ffmpeg then /usr/bin/ffmpeg goes away

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rhpot1991:

do dpkg --purge ffmpeg

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rhpot1991:

make sure it removes everything

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SpaceBass:

rhpot1991, been wondering if that was the case since it doesn't report a correct version

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SpaceBass:

k

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rhpot1991:

then search your drive for anything remaining, make sure its clean then reinstall

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SpaceBass:

is dpkg -purge the same as apt-get purge ?

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rhpot1991:

its possible its not ffmpeg but some of the ffmpeg dependencies as well

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SpaceBass:

could be, also compiled x264 by hand? both are needed, with specific flags, for another application

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SpaceBass:

ideally, I'd get myth export working and then recompile those custom versions and install into a specific location

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rhpot1991:

SpaceBass: that could be too

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rhpot1991:

SpaceBass: here is what is normally installed ubuntu version wise: http://pastebin.com/mXT9DCGf

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rhpot1991:

I would use packages.ubuntu.com to look at the files in each of those, and then make sure you don't have any conflicts

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SpaceBass:

rhpot1991, thanks, I'll try purging and doing a find and then will reinstall myth export

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rhpot1991:

SpaceBass: good lock, ping or pm me if you need any more help

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SpaceBass:

will do

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SpaceBass:

rhpot1991, your nick looks familiar – are you the developer?

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rhpot1991:

SpaceBass: yep

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SpaceBass:

rhpot1991, wow! seriously nice work! I've had it working in the past (pre disk failure). really nice contribution to the community!

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SpaceBass:

thank you

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rhpot1991:

SpaceBass: glad you like

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SpaceBass:

rhpot1991, while I'm waiting for find to finish? can I pick your brain on a related question? I'd like to create an rss feed based on a directory of files – how are you generating the rss feeds in mythexport? is there a good package or did you write the code?

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rhpot1991:

SpaceBass: I use perl's XML::RSS package

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rhpot1991:

http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythex . . . xportRSS.cgi

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SpaceBass:

rhpot1991, thanks

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rhpot1991:

should be pretty easy to copy that if you wanted to, should be similar packages in other languages out there as well

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SpaceBass:

ah! bingo? rogue copy of ffmpeg found and removed? reinstalled mythexport and let it pull in proper version? transcoding is working

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SpaceBass:

thanks rhpot1991 !

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rhpot1991:

SpaceBass: no problem

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skd5aner:

no mention of the .24.1 release on the -users list?

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justinh:

maybe it's been disowned :)

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skd5aner:

just figured more people checked there than the frontpage of the website

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NewBuntu81:

I have a question for my Mythbuntu 10.10 frontend. It wants me to update it to Mythbuntu 11. Does the update through System Updates just recompile the kernel, or does it wipe out everything I have set up (files on desktop, etc.)?

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wagnerrp:

presumably it downloads new packages and installs them over to your existing ones

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NewBuntu81:

so similar to formatting...instead of upgrading (updating)?

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wagnerrp:

no, it replaces the existing applications and kernel, as opposed to installing fresh

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wagnerrp:

files, settings, are all retained

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NewBuntu81:

ok

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Beirdo:

GreyFoxx: oooh, checkout the studly perl script to test #9782

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wagnerrp:

studly?

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Beirdo:

I dunno, it just seemed to fit somewhow

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Beirdo:

somehow.

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** Beirdo slaps his fingers **

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high-rez:

is vaapi planned for 0.25 ?

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wagnerrp:

there are no plans for VAAPI

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wagnerrp:

there is existing code for VAAPI, sitting on a trac ticket

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wagnerrp:

but it probably needs to be heavily updated to support the new OSD/UI libraries

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wagnerrp:

however it was last abandoned due to deficiencies in the drivers needed to support it

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high-rez:

It always seemed like a half hearted effort from the driver perspective.

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wagnerrp:

the only driver found to be stable was the one for nVidia hardware, for which we already have VDPAU anyway

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wagnerrp:

the intel drivers were supposedly halfway decent

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high-rez:

nvidia's intial release of vdpau was a bit shaky, but the released updates and fixes so fast it was amazing

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wagnerrp:

but were limited to the GMA500, and their very high end stuff

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high-rez:

intel very high end video card

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wagnerrp:

and except for laptops, the very high end stuff came on computers that could otherwise decode in software

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wagnerrp:

namely the i3s and i5s, and a fairly rare GMA4500HD for use on core2 systems

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Twiggy2cents:

I just watched the smallville finale sunday... Wow... I think this is the 2nd or 3rd series finale I have seen and would have to say, they did a great job bringing it to a close

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wagnerrp:

they killed off all the sniveling whiny backstabbing characters?

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SpaceBass:

rhpot1991, still around by chance? transcoding is going well, but having some kind of permissions issue with the RSS feed. Files can't be downloaded – getting a forbidden error ?.

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SpaceBass:

rhpot1991, both /var/www/mythexport/video and /loca/media/MythTV/mythexport are 777 for testing

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dewman:

SpaceBass, your permissions sound like they could be off.

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NewBuntu81:

Is anyone able to troubleshoot an IR blaster configuration? See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=658628. I'm still having problems and I've tried everything mentioned on various pages.

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hoolio:

does anyone have some authoritative documentation i can use to convince a friend not to connect his fronend and backend with wireless N as opposed to ethernet?

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wagnerrp:

has he already purchased the equipment?

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hoolio:

no

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hoolio:

it will be about $100 for us to cat6 that connection and a couple more in his house

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wagnerrp:

$100? why?

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hoolio:

cable, wall plates, crone blocks etc

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wagnerrp:

you can buy 1000' of bulk, a crimp tool, and a bag of 100 ends for only $150

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wagnerrp:

wall plates are going to be maybe $5/end

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hoolio:

so that's $165 according to your maths ;)

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wagnerrp:

well if you dont need 1000', just get some pre-made cables and clip off the ends

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wagnerrp:

100' cables are pretty cheap to come by

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