| Tuesday, May 10th, 2011, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:18] | wagnerrp: | im reading through the code for the XML data contracts... i really have no understanding what im looking at |
| [00:02:47] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Well, there's nothing XML about them, strictly speaking, as they're constructs that can be serialized into XML, JSON, protobuf, or whatever |
| [00:02:56] | iamlindoro: | But I can try to answer any questions you might have |
| [00:03:31] | iamlindoro: | think of a data contract as a custom data exchange class, a collection of disparate types of data that can be serialized |
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| [00:03:58] | wagnerrp: | right, im just going through the motions for now |
| [00:04:08] | wagnerrp: | duplicating another class with my own data |
| [00:04:12] | wagnerrp: | see if i can make something work |
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| [00:08:52] | wagnerrp: | i assume since everything is packed within the DTC namespace, it wont conflict with other objects of the same name elsewhere? |
| [00:09:14] | iamlindoro: | Correct, it shouldn't |
| [00:09:27] | iamlindoro: | though for sanity's sake I've avoided collisions |
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| [00:20:35] | lapion: | would anyone have an inkling as to why my backend restarts every 5 minutes with a libqt segfault ? |
| [00:21:23] | mycosys: | what version of myth are you running? |
| [00:23:42] | lapion: | 0.23 |
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| [00:24:33] | wagnerrp: | what version of 0.23? |
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| [00:25:48] | lapion: | 0.23.1+fixes26437 |
| [00:26:00] | lapion: | well I just found out.. |
| [00:26:03] | mycosys: | ok – so mythbuntu lol |
| [00:26:32] | lapion: | yes and no |
| [00:27:00] | lapion: | I am running mythtv on top of ubuntu but it is not mythbuntu |
| [00:27:05] | mycosys: | mythbuntu = ubuntu's mythtv packages |
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| [00:27:12] | mycosys: | so it is mythbuntu |
| [00:27:19] | lapion: | yeah yeah.. but I just found out what the problem was.. |
| [00:28:10] | mycosys: | and? |
| [00:28:33] | lapion: | it takes approximate 5 minutes to scan all my mythvideo media, before it reached a recently inserted usb-stick. |
| [00:29:07] | lapion: | on the stick there was an ext4fs |
| [00:31:06] | lapion: | also at the same time a ubuntu install cd was mounted.. |
| [00:31:46] | lapion: | hmm but now I do not know if the crash happened due to the cd or due to the usb-stick because I umounted them shortly after one another |
| [00:31:52] | ** mycosys doesnt understand people drizziling out information – is it some yank thing? do they need attention? is it cool? ** | |
| [00:34:16] | lapion: | when mythtv starts up it starts a maintenance round, and starts scanning the video folders, I have /media as one location of video contents, so mythtv client crashed while reading either the cdrom or the usb-stick with root owned files/folders |
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| [00:35:44] | lapion: | mycosys, am I finally making sense ? |
| [00:36:45] | hoolio: | lapion, is it working now? |
| [00:39:53] | mycosys: | dont worry lapion – i am quitting smoking and getting sick and in a really crap mood |
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| [00:41:18] | lapion: | yes hoolio |
| [00:42:04] | lapion: | np mycosys |
| [00:43:06] | lapion: | can anyone in here check out if havind a ubuntu cdrom mounted in any location mythtv scans for video contents crashes the backend. |
| [00:46:31] | lapion: | hoolio, mycosys ?? |
| [00:48:29] | lapion: | btw is there any way to mark several recordings and delete them ? |
| [00:49:08] | sphery: | lapion: there was a but where mythtv's UPnP file scanner could encounter a symlink loop and recurse infinitely, but it's been fixed in 0.24-fixes (and the UPnP scanner was removed from unstable/development and, instead, uses the same data as mythvideo) |
| [00:49:40] | sphery: | so a) fix the broken symlink loop on your file system and b) make sure you're running current 0.24-fixes |
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| [00:52:57] | lapion: | sphery, that was probably the problem, one of these days I am finally going to have to compile my own mythtv. |
| [00:54:16] | lapion: | sphery, but for now I will simply make sure there are no in-cursive or any other such links in the tree |
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| [00:55:22] | lapion: | but sphery is there any way to select multiple recordings and delete them all ? |
| [00:55:37] | sphery: | recordings? yeah, with playlists |
| [00:56:08] | sphery: | needs to be added to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Questions... |
| [00:57:42] | sphery: | you can select a group (like an episode title in the left column of watch recordings) and MENU|Add this group to playlist, then MENU|Playlist Options|Delete (or Delete and allow re-record) |
| [00:57:47] | lapion: | I cannot simply select some recordings with "/" and then delete them all ? |
| [00:58:37] | wagnerrp: | you mean a '/' in the title? |
| [01:00:37] | lapion: | when I press '/' in the recordings list that files is marked. |
| [01:00:46] | sphery: | is it marked as part of the playlist |
| [01:01:00] | sphery: | if so, just do / on each one, then MENU|Playlist Options|... |
| [01:01:07] | sphery: | might need MENU 2x, to get the right menu |
| [01:01:58] | sphery: | since we now have the "doesn't offend people who don't get the concept of a context menu versus an overall menu" single key to bring up one of 2 menus, depending on where you're at |
| [01:02:36] | mycosys: | lapion – 0.24fixes is available on ubuntu |
| [01:02:37] | sphery: | to add a recording to playlist sounds right to me, but I've never actually used it, so I can't be sure that's what it does |
| [01:02:54] | mycosys: | (11:02:46 AM) Zinn: The Mythbuntu team provides updates for MythTV and Mythbuntu package using the Mythbuntu Repos http://mythbuntu.org/repos |
| [01:03:51] | lapion: | mycosys, only on ubuntu natty narwhal, which excludes possibility to use analogue cards such as saa7133 |
| [01:04:13] | sphery: | 0.24-fixes is available on Ubuntu 10.04 |
| [01:04:22] | sphery: | er, 10.10 |
| [01:04:27] | tgm4883: | sphery, both |
| [01:04:35] | sphery: | or all three :) |
| [01:04:39] | tgm4883: | lapion, read the link |
| [01:04:52] | sphery: | mythbuntu makes mythtv easy for all of us |
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| [01:16:54] | lapion: | ok got it.. now one of these days I will again copy my root-partition and this time upgrade mythtv by using the mythtv repo |
| [01:18:03] | lapion: | but natty left me disappointed |
| [01:19:42] | lapion: | well sphery I have several show recorded in 5 minutes segments, unless I can simply merge all of them into one single recording, is there any simple way to delete them all ? |
| [01:20:25] | sphery: | lapion: live tv recordings? if so, wait about a day, and they'll be deleted for you |
| [01:20:49] | sphery: | if they're manual recordings or recordings created with real recording rules, you have to delete them yourself |
| [01:21:01] | lapion: | sphery, no for live tv-recordings I would use the info-manager.. |
| [01:21:31] | lapion: | but can I merge recordings ? |
| [01:21:33] | sphery: | as far as joining them, you might be able to just concatenate them, but whether it works (and what effects it has during playback) I can't guarantee |
| [01:21:48] | sphery: | what's the info manager? |
| [01:22:18] | sphery: | if that's some desktop file manager thing, don't use it to delete files--mythtv needs to delete files so that it can remove all the other metadata associated with those files |
| [01:22:59] | lapion: | information center -> system status 0 |
| [01:23:26] | lapion: | information center -> system status -> autoexpire list |
| [01:23:28] | sphery: | ahh |
| [01:23:30] | sphery: | I see |
| [01:23:36] | sphery: | yeah, you can do it through there |
| [01:23:49] | sphery: | or through a playlist in watch recordings (once you show Live TV recording group) |
| [01:23:59] | sphery: | or just wait about a day, and they'll disappear on their own :) |
| [01:25:01] | lapion: | even in the delete recordings list it's not possible to delete either multiple or single recordings with a simple keypress / key-combination.. |
| [01:26:57] | mycosys: | have to admit it would be nice to be able to delete a whole show at once |
| [01:29:22] | lapion: | If it where possible to select and option of the dialog box with a keypress such as y for yes etc etc.. |
| [01:29:54] | tgm4883: | IMHO, it's better to have the "Are you sure" screen |
| [01:30:33] | lapion: | yes but then you either have to use the cursor keys or use the mouse and I prefer pressing Y for yes.. |
| [01:30:35] | mycosys: | agree, are you sure is good – just would be nice to select a bunch o recordings at once for deletion |
| [01:30:54] | tgm4883: | That being said, I'm not sure why people even delete recordings. Do you not trust mythtv to delete old recordings when it needs space based on watched/priority? |
| [01:31:23] | mycosys: | cos u dont like something |
| [01:31:35] | mycosys: | so would prefer that to go before something you do |
| [01:31:55] | tgm4883: | mycosys, does that happen often? |
| [01:32:19] | mycosys: | yeah – give something a shot, record a few eps, decide is crap and delete it |
| [01:32:46] | lapion: | anyhow I am going to hibernate this computer and my body so my brain can have some rest.. |
| [01:32:53] | tgm4883: | yea I guess that does make sense |
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| [01:34:15] | markk: | if you want to delete multiple shows at one, use the playlist functionality. add your selections to a playlist (menu->add to playlist). when you're done, menu->playlist options->delete |
| [01:35:04] | mycosys: | sweet |
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| [01:36:50] | sphery: | lapion: did you use the playlist options to delete the entire playlist? |
| [01:37:06] | sphery: | it does confirm that you really want to do it, but it deletes all of them after that |
| [01:37:38] | sphery: | also, why exactly are your recordings broken into 5min intervals? unless you keep restarting the backend during recordings, each show should be recorded to a single file. |
| [01:37:40] | lapion: | yes sphery it workes.. |
| [01:37:58] | sphery: | or, if you have broken guide data that says a new shows starts every 5min, you'll get 5-min segments |
| [01:38:12] | lapion: | sphery, was a problem with symlinks crashing the backend every 5mins |
| [01:38:17] | sphery: | ah, ok |
| [01:38:25] | sphery: | so it was a temporary thing that you've now fixed |
| [01:38:32] | lapion: | yes |
| [01:38:45] | sphery: | cool--just wanted to make sure we didn't ever do anything that evil on purpose :) |
| [01:39:06] | lapion: | however I do have another problem recorded files keep on disappearing.. |
| [01:39:51] | sphery: | if you run out of space on your recording file system, mythtv will auto-expire recordings to make room for new ones |
| [01:40:06] | sphery: | otherwise, it won't delete recordings |
| [01:40:15] | lapion: | these are not set for autoexpire |
| [01:40:25] | sphery: | then it doesn't delete them |
| [01:40:29] | sphery: | perhaps http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . ecordings.3F ? |
| [01:40:37] | lapion: | the file itself disappears the database doen;t |
| [01:40:59] | sphery: | hmmm... wonder if something outside of mythtv is doing that? |
| [01:41:29] | lapion: | like ? |
| [01:43:43] | sphery: | that's a good question--but one I don't have an answer for |
| [01:49:38] | hoolio: | by default, myth will add a 2nd virtual tuner for each physical tuner |
| [01:49:53] | hoolio: | correct? |
| [01:50:38] | sphery: | for digital capture devices that support multirec, yes |
| [01:56:26] | ** hoolio reads about multirec ** | |
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| [01:57:22] | sphery: | I think that would be all digital tuners except firewire |
| [01:57:23] | clgshaft: | Is anyone using a home automation plugin with mythtv? |
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| [01:59:18] | wagnerrp: | oof... the problem with dynamically generated code |
| [01:59:32] | wagnerrp: | im getting errors on line 204 of a 162 line file |
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| [02:06:33] | mycosys: | i know mzb does clgshaft |
| [02:06:57] | NewBuntu81: | hey clgshaft |
| [02:07:16] | wagnerrp: | rather, hes using his ome home grown roll hooks to manage his lighting |
| [02:07:25] | NewBuntu81: | x10? |
| [02:07:29] | NewBuntu81: | lol |
| [02:07:32] | wagnerrp: | unless hes gotten around to migrating over to system events |
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| [02:07:53] | mzb: | yes @ system events for x10 |
| [02:07:53] | NewBuntu81: | hey clgshaft, i'm still working on getting the ir blaster to work |
| [02:07:55] | wagnerrp: | whatever hes using, hes using some external script, triggered by mythfrontend |
| [02:08:09] | mzb: | yes |
| [02:08:37] | NewBuntu81: | wow, am i the only one that doesn't have an ipad? lol |
| [02:08:44] | mzb: | snmp atm |
| [02:08:48] | NewBuntu81: | even the 60 year old lady at work has one now! |
| [02:09:19] | wagnerrp: | NewBuntu81: isnt she past the stage in life during which she needs pads? |
| [02:09:36] | NewBuntu81: | lmao |
| [02:09:46] | mzb: | I've got an a81e instead ;) |
| [02:09:58] | mzb: | ~google Witstech A81e |
| [02:10:01] | NewBuntu81: | she's the nice one. the other 2 ...not so nice lol. |
| [02:10:03] | mzb: | meh |
| [02:10:14] | tgm4883: | One of these days I'll actually get into home automation and buy something rather that browse a few webpages every 8–12 months |
| [02:10:47] | mzb: | http://users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/myth . . . MVI_1243.avi |
| [02:11:14] | mzb: | yes ... it's a wii mote ... no I don't have a wii ... yes the screen is a bit small ;) |
| [02:11:47] | mzb: | mbe is under the floor and the wiring goes down through the disused chimney |
| [02:11:59] | tgm4883: | can't... watch.... not.... loading.... |
| [02:12:04] | mzb: | http://users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/myth . . . 14_Tuner.jpg |
| [02:12:07] | mzb: | download it |
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| [02:12:41] | tgm4883: | yea I am |
| [02:12:43] | tgm4883: | wget FTW |
| [02:13:30] | wagnerrp: | mzb: that hard drive looks like its in significant peril |
| [02:13:39] | mzb: | :)) |
| [02:13:53] | mzb: | far bottom left is an SSD drive fwiw |
| [02:14:20] | mzb: | the "drive in peril" is a 2TB loaner used to deconstruct the 2x raid5 arrays |
| [02:14:24] | tgm4883: | mzb, nice, what do you use to control all that? you have a parts list somewhere? |
| [02:14:33] | mzb: | err ... no |
| [02:14:39] | mzb: | wii remote to control it |
| [02:14:41] | wagnerrp: | you could stand to blow out the dust as well |
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| [02:14:58] | mzb: | yeah will do when the boss delivers the parts I've ordered |
| [02:15:08] | ** wagnerrp wonders if theres a joke somewhere about a computer sitting up on bricks in the garage ** | |
| [02:15:09] | mzb: | (the drive is a loaner from the boss;)) |
| [02:15:12] | wagnerrp: | :P |
| [02:15:22] | mzb: | hey! ... that's a REAL shelf ;) |
| [02:15:35] | wagnerrp: | i know, i know... the bricks are just stored underneath it |
| [02:15:38] | mzb: | heavy enough to take my weight, anyway ;) |
| [02:15:51] | wagnerrp: | out of curiosity, what is that thing the monitor is getting power through? |
| [02:16:01] | mzb: | osmosis? |
| [02:16:08] | mzb: | oh |
| [02:16:12] | tgm4883: | electrical outlet ;) |
| [02:16:17] | wagnerrp: | picture is too low res to make out the writing |
| [02:16:32] | mzb: | that's an X10 powerline transceiver |
| [02:16:45] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: hes got something plugged in line between the outlet and the cord |
| [02:16:51] | mzb: | rebadged marmitek CM11/12 afaik |
| [02:16:55] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, yea just saw that |
| [02:17:02] | mzb: | sans serial cable |
| [02:17:05] | wagnerrp: | oh, so nothing to do with the monitor then |
| [02:17:10] | mzb: | nope |
| [02:17:31] | mzb: | monitor gets moved around the house and is used for debug |
| [02:17:40] | wagnerrp: | hey, Phil Myman is on Castle |
| [02:17:40] | mzb: | normally lives in the computer room |
| [02:17:47] | mzb: | nappy change ... brb |
| [02:17:49] | ** wagnerrp longs for more BOT ** | |
| [02:18:00] | tgm4883: | ToDo 1) Buy bluray drive+movies 2) Get a decent android remote app for mythtv 3) Get home automation gear |
| [02:18:36] | tgm4883: | unfortunatly there always seems to be something else inserted at #1 :( |
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| [02:33:52] | mzb: | hopefully the SeaSonic X-650 / X-660 will arrive soon so I can finish off the latest improvements |
| [02:34:11] | mycosys: | oooohhh nice psu |
| [02:34:11] | mzb: | (inc. 9800GT) |
| [02:34:19] | mycosys: | 9800GT?????????? |
| [02:34:21] | mycosys: | why? |
| [02:34:24] | mzb: | nvidia |
| [02:34:28] | mycosys: | and? |
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| [02:34:38] | mycosys: | surely not for a myth machine? |
| [02:34:53] | mzb: | yeah, only "spare" card I've got ;) |
| [02:34:59] | NewBuntu81: | how might I determine what version of LIRC i have installed? can I do a grep or something? |
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| [02:35:10] | mzb: | currently using a 7300GS which doesn't support VDPAU |
| [02:35:21] | mycosys: | yeah, bit overkill tho |
| [02:35:27] | mzb: | and I've got 2x 9800GT's in the XPS, but only need 1 |
| [02:35:34] | mycosys: | huge power hog too |
| [02:35:37] | mzb: | better than buying a new card |
| [02:35:46] | mycosys: | dunno |
| [02:35:47] | sphery: | NewBuntu81: /usr/sbin/lircd --version |
| [02:35:49] | mzb: | yeah, maybe ... we'll see |
| [02:36:05] | NewBuntu81: | thanks sphery |
| [02:36:10] | mycosys: | u know how to underclock em persistently? |
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| [02:36:32] | mzb: | might end up buying a card specially for the mbe ... but at this point all I really want to do is see the difference that VDPAU makes |
| [02:36:39] | hoolio: | and noisy |
| [02:36:53] | mycosys: | depends what is on it hoolio |
| [02:36:54] | mzb: | err ... no these are pretty quiet |
| [02:37:21] | mzb: | keep in mind they're original Dell parts |
| [02:37:27] | mycosys: | about to drop an isgc-v320 on my 9600GT – should run nicely fanless |
| [02:37:37] | mzb: | no after-market stuff in the XPS730 |
| [02:38:09] | mycosys: | i have this in my .xsessionrc |
| [02:38:11] | mycosys: | nvidia-settings -a GPUOverclockingState=1 -a [gpu:0]/GPU2DClockFreqs=300,450 -a GPU3DClockFreqs=300,450 -a [gpu:0]/GPUPowerMizerMode=1 -a [gpu:0]/TVFlickerFilter=1 -a [gpu:0]/TVOverScan=66 |
| [02:38:39] | mzb: | k |
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| [02:40:08] | mzb: | fwiw, it doesn't really matter how much noise the machine makes ... it IS in the garage, after all! ;) |
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| [02:40:41] | Josh`: | I'm trying to compile a perl (module, script?) called MDD that came with my android remote app. The compile fails, with " |
| [02:40:44] | Josh`: | 21:40 < mzb> fwiw, it doesn't really matter how much noise the machine makes ... it IS in the garage, after all! ;) |
| [02:40:47] | Josh`: | grr. |
| [02:41:57] | Josh`: | I'm trying to compile a perl (module, script?) called MDD that came with my android remote app. The compile fails, with "Can't locate MythTV.pm in @INC". I noticed that I have two directories in /usr/lib/perl5, but the mythtv libs are in the older version. How do I fix this? |
| [02:42:15] | mycosys: | why bother with vdpau then mzb – how will it help in a garage????? |
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| [02:57:16] | NewBuntu81: | hmm, interesting. Instructions say to edit the rc.local file. Should I have two? |
| [02:57:17] | NewBuntu81: | /etc/rc.local |
| [02:57:17] | NewBuntu81: | /etc/rc.d/rc.local |
| [02:57:41] | mycosys: | prolly a question for an ubuntu channel? |
| [02:58:53] | NewBuntu81: | actually it's fedora. :-) |
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| [03:03:45] | mzb: | mycosys: as I tried to explain, the DVI output from the MBE (which is in the garage) goes up a long cable in the (disused) chimney and comes out behind the LCD in the lounge |
| [03:04:08] | mzb: | (short version of a long story;)) |
| [03:04:21] | mycosys: | ummm, wow |
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| [03:05:15] | mzb: | there's also a long USB extension (running over cat5) with a powered hub hiding behind the centre speaker |
| [03:05:39] | mzb: | it has things like the LCD, bluetooth dongle, etc plugged into it |
| [03:06:11] | mzb: | http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/ . . . t_result.jpg |
| [03:06:41] | mzb: | that's a real photo ... not an "LCD photo frame" |
| [03:07:42] | mzb: | although I do have a Parrot photo frame in the kitchen that I'm hoping to flash with Linux |
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| [03:25:15] | NewBuntu81: | Anyone running Fedora have a working pvr-150-mce IR blaster? I'm seeing others having the same problem i'm having. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=658628 |
| [03:30:39] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: general rule is that anything that alters the database uses POST? |
| [03:31:17] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, That's a pretty good way of looking at it, but more broadly anything that changes behavior probably should be |
| [03:35:40] | wagnerrp: | HAHAHAHA |
| [03:35:59] | wagnerrp: | on hawaii 5–0, they use winamp to remotely access ATM terminals |
| [03:39:53] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: thats a new feature in winamp 5.2 |
| [03:40:02] | NewBuntu81: | lol |
| [03:40:12] | Shadow__X: | you need to check the logs |
| [03:40:17] | NewBuntu81: | does the ATM play music now too? |
| [03:44:31] | wagnerrp: | no, video only |
| [03:44:37] | wagnerrp: | but you can have it deny a card |
| [03:47:58] | NewBuntu81: | is a "stale file" a bad thing when it comes to lirc? or is that something you'd expect when lirc service is running? |
| [03:48:20] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ah, gotta love how my local stations give me all the important information in life... Watching House from S6--recorded from my OTA setup--and it says, "Starting January 1st, Time Warner Cable and Bright House Networks may stop carrying FOX. ..." |
| [03:48:32] | sphery: | good thing that I don't try to archive this garbage they broadcast |
| [03:48:44] | NewBuntu81: | lircd: there seems to already be a lircd process with pid 2833 |
| [03:48:44] | NewBuntu81: | lircd: otherwise delete stale lockfile /var/run/lirc/lircd.pid |
| [03:49:20] | wagnerrp: | i got one of those two, and i dont even have time warner or brighthouse |
| [03:49:25] | wagnerrp: | i think i got it on fringe |
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| [03:51:13] | Shadow__X: | yeah i think cablevision people got it too if i am not mistaken |
| [03:55:56] | sphery: | wagnerrp: that's crazy... guess maybe FOX put it on (not the local station) |
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| [03:56:12] | sphery: | that would explain why it's on the OTA feed, too |
| [03:56:31] | wagnerrp: | well they do have time warner across the river |
| [03:56:49] | sphery: | it's all brighthouse, down here |
| [04:00:34] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: looking at the channel files as a guide |
| [04:00:56] | wagnerrp: | libs/libmythservicecontracts/services/channelServices.h:ChannelServices has all of its methods as slots |
| [04:01:22] | wagnerrp: | but the child class programs/mythbackend/services/channel.h:Channel has they just in public |
| [04:01:29] | wagnerrp: | this doesnt cause issues? |
| [04:02:02] | wagnerrp: | methods overwriting the virtual methods in the parent class |
| [04:13:46] | NewBuntu81: | If you update a kernel, say from Fedora 2.6.35.11–83.fc14.i686 to Fedora 2.6.35.13–91.fc14.i686, could you possibly lose any firmware/drivers? I want to make sure my HVR 2250 still works before I update. |
| [04:14:54] | Shadow__X: | NewBuntu81: did you do anything to get the driver |
| [04:15:13] | NewBuntu81: | Originally, no, the version I had included the driver. |
| [04:15:31] | NewBuntu81: | I have the driver (firmware) saved, I could always put it back. I just didn't want to mess anything up. |
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| [04:22:16] | hoolio: | don't you get to choose your kernel from your grub menu? |
| [04:29:50] | NewBuntu81: | you can choose, yes. |
| [04:30:40] | hoolio: | so if you loose functionality using the newer kernel, just go back to the old one? |
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| [04:40:51] | ripperda: | Hi, I'm trying to figure out how to debug a problem I'm having with my mythtv setup. I have a backend w/ 2 Hauppauge USB HVR-950Q (I'm pretty sure that's what they are). In genera things work fine, but every now and then a scheduled recording fails |
| [04:41:21] | ripperda: | checking the backend logs, mythtv seems to think the capture started fine, but at the end of the recording either doesn't have an output file or has a corrupted output file |
| [04:41:48] | ripperda: | I'm trying to figure out how I can narrow the failure down to whether the capture driver is failing, or Mythtv is failing to write to a file |
| [04:43:05] | ripperda: | just checked, they're the WinTV-HVR-950Q |
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| [04:44:52] | mycosys: | did you check the system logs / dmesg too? |
| [04:45:27] | ripperda: | yes, not a lot there. I enabled extra output on the xc5000 kernel modules, but all the output looks fine |
| [04:48:01] | ripperda: | here's an output of my kernel xc5000 logs, I started 2 recordings at the same time and 1 failed: |
| [04:48:03] | ripperda: | http://pastebin.com/WSdCGKDc |
| [04:48:55] | ripperda: | working on putting my mythbackend logfiles into a paste |
| [04:52:47] | ripperda: | here's my backend logs: http://pastebin.com/KenUUBS0 |
| [04:53:20] | ripperda: | I had 3 recordings total: 1 1-hour recording at 7:00 that failed, 1 half-hour at 7:00 that was a fine and another half-hour at 7:30 that was fine |
| [04:56:21] | ripperda: | I take that back, there were only 2 simultaneous 1-hour recordings at 7:00, the 2 half-hour recordings were earlier in the day |
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| [05:34:40] | Beirdo: | real quiet tonight... |
| [05:35:39] | wagnerrp: | too quiet |
| [05:36:44] | Beirdo: | makes you wonder what people are plotting |
| [05:37:01] | wagnerrp: | our downfall for breaking -fixes |
| [05:37:04] | ** Beirdo is ripping some Kajagoogoo... next up, Duran Duran ** | |
| [05:37:36] | Beirdo: | yeah, I've told the buildbot to start emailing -commits on failure->success and success->failure |
| [05:38:02] | Beirdo: | if only people would test compile before pushing... (of course, I've done it myself) |
| [05:39:07] | Beirdo: | I guess if he's not fixing it any time soon, that commit can just be reverted, but then that's just that much more work for him later. |
| [05:39:48] | Beirdo: | and that also reeks of stomping on feet |
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| [05:40:41] | Beirdo: | ahhh, early 80s pop ;) |
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| [05:54:20] | G: | hmmmm, NZ TV stations seem to have a habbit of playing a show M-F weeknights, and repeating them the next weekday say, mid-afternoon, (i.e. M-F episodes replay Tu-F+Next M), this seems to throw off the duplicate checker a bit, because it schedules the Monday repeat of the previous Fridays airing, plus the new Monday episode |
| [05:54:41] | G: | I'm using 'Find and record one showing of this title each day.' (per mythweb), is there any way to automagically prevent this? |
| [05:55:34] | hoolio: | "Record this program in this timeslot every day." |
| [05:55:35] | hoolio: | ? |
| [05:55:44] | wagnerrp: | can you just record all showings on all channels, and let the duplicate checker handle things as it see fit? |
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| [05:57:11] | G: | wagnerrp: let me have a quick see |
| [05:58:13] | G: | according to mythweb I'd then have duplicates every day of the week |
| [05:58:43] | G: | I'm just wondering if it's something to do with the new week that it doesn't think it's a duplicate? |
| [05:58:55] | wagnerrp: | correct, and the backend will simply not record them |
| [05:59:00] | wagnerrp: | duplicate checking is two stages |
| [05:59:15] | mycosys: | could also set the filter exclude repeats |
| [05:59:18] | wagnerrp: | if both recordings have a programid, it checks for a match and ends there |
| [05:59:34] | wagnerrp: | if one is lacking, it uses the duplicate checking strategy you determine |
| [05:59:43] | wagnerrp: | which defaults to subtitle and description |
| [06:00:44] | G: | wagnerrp: right, the XMLtv data in NZ lacks the programid for most stuff |
| [06:01:00] | mycosys: | does it mark the repeats as repeats? |
| [06:01:27] | G: | and you are right, I've got mine to Subtitle and Description & Check for duplicates in All recordings |
| [06:01:28] | wagnerrp: | if the programid is completely lacking, then it will fall through to the duplicate strategy |
| [06:01:55] | Beirdo: | oh wow been a while since I listened to this. |
| [06:02:56] | G: | wagnerrp: if I do a search for the program in MythWeb, it has the exact same Description (no subtitle) and for Airdate, it has the Friday screening as the alterantive airdate, but it's still scheduled even though it's a duplicate |
| [06:03:01] | G: | it's odd |
| [06:03:58] | G: | mycosys: in the EPG, it doesn't have any repeat tags or a (R) in the description like some channels |
| [06:04:20] | mycosys: | bugger |
| [06:05:31] | G: | the only channel that Mythtv detects Rerun's is one of the +1hr channels, and the channel where the descriptions are tagged (R) thats done in the XMLtv source |
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| [06:06:55] | ** DataTracer waves ** | |
| [06:06:59] | DataTracer: | What's up folks? |
| [06:08:16] | DataTracer: | Everyone sleeping? |
| [06:08:21] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [06:08:24] | G: | DataTracer: not here |
| [06:08:30] | hoolio: | naa, it's 4pm here |
| [06:08:39] | G: | wide awake here :) |
| [06:08:39] | DataTracer: | 11pm for me |
| [06:08:47] | G: | hoolio: oh, an Aussie eh? |
| [06:08:52] | hoolio: | ya |
| [06:09:29] | G: | I swear I should have just got a Satellite tuner and pointed got the NZ Channels + the FTA Aussie stuff :) |
| [06:09:39] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:10:04] | Beirdo: | if I could receive those in Seattle, I'd happily add them to my lineup |
| [06:10:21] | hoolio: | the A(ustralian)BC content is excellent; no ads and really good tv |
| [06:10:24] | DataTracer: | Beirdo: So oyu |
| [06:10:26] | DataTracer: | oops |
| [06:10:32] | DataTracer: | So you're on my coast :-) |
| [06:10:44] | Beirdo: | nope, I'm on *MY* coast :) |
| [06:10:44] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:10:47] | DataTracer: | lol |
| [06:10:48] | G: | Beirdo: NZ FTA is pretty much American content delayed by 1 week to 12+ months |
| [06:10:56] | DataTracer: | We're on OUR coast |
| [06:11:02] | larrikin: | hmm erin brokovitch is starring in ads for a .au law firm .. |
| [06:11:04] | Beirdo: | K |
| [06:11:19] | Beirdo: | I used to be north coast though |
| [06:11:33] | DataTracer: | I'm thinking of upgrading my Myth box. Kinda scared to mess with it |
| [06:11:34] | Beirdo: | of Puerto Rico. Muhaha |
| [06:11:41] | G: | TVNZ had to run Castle non stop for like the last 12 months to somewhat catch up to Australia |
| [06:11:55] | wagnerrp: | is that a bad thing? |
| [06:12:08] | larrikin: | G: tough luck ay bro .. ;) |
| [06:12:13] | Beirdo: | could be a lot worse, I kinda like Castle |
| [06:12:25] | G: | wagnerrp: it's nice thata there has been no season breaks sure, but that said, 12 months straight of the same show? |
| [06:12:44] | G: | if they even took a month gap between seasons as a breather it'd have been nice |
| [06:12:50] | Beirdo: | oh you mean like the 5–6 years straight of Law & Order? |
| [06:13:00] | DataTracer: | What's everyone running? I'm still on MythBuntu 9.04 |
| [06:13:03] | Beirdo: | with all the repeats... |
| [06:13:03] | wagnerrp: | whoops, you forgot a '1' there |
| [06:13:10] | Beirdo: | sorry, so I did |
| [06:13:16] | G: | Beirdo: I don't watch Law & Order so that doesn't effect me :) |
| [06:13:19] | Beirdo: | 51–61 years is how it felt |
| [06:13:24] | hoolio: | i'm on 10.10 |
| [06:13:26] | hoolio: | works ok |
| [06:13:38] | wagnerrp: | im on 2007.1 |
| [06:13:42] | G: | larrikin: haha :) |
| [06:13:42] | Beirdo: | DataTracer: I'm on Ubuntu Server 10.04.1 |
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| [06:13:47] | DataTracer: | I tried 10.10 and it broke my lirc |
| [06:13:58] | G: | and yeah, you guys are right, Castle is great, but yeah, would have been nice w/ a couple of breaks |
| [06:14:06] | DataTracer: | I have a Hauppauge HVR-1600 tuner |
| [06:14:08] | hoolio: | and my backend is ubuntu server 10.10 with the mythubuntu repos |
| [06:14:14] | hoolio: | running 0.24 |
| [06:14:19] | G: | but take something like Scrubs, they've only finally gotten round to showing the final final season :) |
| [06:14:26] | Beirdo: | You know what? so far all 3 songs in a row have sounded about the same. |
| [06:14:36] | Beirdo: | go, Duran Duran |
| [06:14:40] | G: | Beirdo: a playlist of one song on a loop? |
| [06:14:44] | hoolio: | I've got the mce remote and it's always just worked |
| [06:14:45] | Beirdo: | an LP |
| [06:14:46] | DataTracer: | So assuming I was to upgrade to a clean/empty drive with the latest Ubuntu.... |
| [06:15:00] | hoolio: | or latest mythubuntu |
| [06:15:05] | DataTracer: | What do you think is the best way to get the DB over? |
| [06:15:17] | hoolio: | i had really good luck with mythubuntu 10.04 |
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| [06:15:49] | hoolio: | dist-upgrade ;) |
| [06:16:11] | hoolio: | or export the db if you're on a new machine |
| [06:16:30] | DataTracer: | Will the new Myth version make the proper changes? |
| [06:16:46] | hoolio: | if i were you |
| [06:16:53] | DataTracer: | I think I'm on .22 if I remember correctly |
| [06:17:05] | hoolio: | i'd install 9.04 on my new hardware and migrate the db over |
| [06:17:09] | DataTracer: | But it could be .21, ugg, been so long since I messed with it |
| [06:17:10] | hoolio: | make sure it works |
| [06:17:24] | DataTracer: | It's the same hardware, just a new drive |
| [06:17:26] | hoolio: | then dist-upgrade to 10.04 or whichever release you want |
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| [06:17:39] | hoolio: | then the proper upgrade scripts will run |
| [06:17:46] | DataTracer: | Or... |
| [06:17:47] | hoolio: | there's a schema change in there |
| [06:18:03] | DataTracer: | What if I just clone to the new drive. Then do a dist upgrade? |
| [06:18:09] | hoolio: | yep |
| [06:18:13] | mycosys: | yeah worked for me |
| [06:18:18] | DataTracer: | Hmm, guess I should try that then |
| [06:18:27] | DataTracer: | I could always roll back then if it didn't work |
| [06:18:32] | mycosys: | did 9.04 0.22 to 10.04 0.24fixes recently |
| [06:18:44] | hoolio: | yep |
| [06:18:49] | DataTracer: | Also... does anyone know of a good mac frontend? |
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| [06:19:19] | DataTracer: | I used to use one on Tiger, but I can't get a snow leopard version that matches my backend |
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| [06:19:32] | mycosys: | build it lol |
| [06:19:45] | DataTracer: | Ugg, pain in the ass |
| [06:20:00] | DataTracer: | I don't have the dev kit on this machine |
| [06:20:12] | DataTracer: | They want you to buy the latest X-Code 4 |
| [06:20:35] | justinh: | they are evil |
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| [06:20:58] | DataTracer: | justinh: Not entirely, but yeah a little evil |
| [06:21:26] | justinh: | so hang on – to build mythfrontend for a mac you need to *buy* software? |
| [06:21:49] | DataTracer: | Well, you need the libraries and the dev kit I assumed |
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| [06:22:02] | justinh: | I'm not sure that's true |
| [06:22:26] | DataTracer: | It's only $5, but yeah, X-Code 4 now costs money, unless you're in the paid developer network |
| [06:22:55] | DataTracer: | Might be able to do it with X-Code 3, which is free |
| [06:23:35] | mycosys: | or build it for X |
| [06:23:41] | mycosys: | with GCC |
| [06:23:47] | DataTracer: | Hmm, might work |
| [06:24:15] | DataTracer: | Might not get GPU acceleration though |
| [06:24:16] | justinh: | have you seen http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_on_Mac_OS_X ? |
| [06:24:17] | Beirdo: | that reminds me... I should cash in on Apple being evil |
| [06:24:34] | justinh: | DataTracer: I'm not sure you'd be able to anyway |
| [06:25:15] | DataTracer: | justinh: Thanks |
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| [06:25:43] | Beirdo: | or (shudder) MSFT |
| [06:25:45] | DataTracer: | I may just update the box first, then worry about Mac frontends once I cross that backend issue |
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| [06:26:13] | DataTracer: | I hate that an old frontend can't talk to a new backend |
| [06:26:22] | hoolio: | wot are you going to use to clone the drive? |
| [06:26:33] | DataTracer: | My laptop is a G4 running Tiger. Used to work great, but no more frontend updates for it :-( |
| [06:26:50] | DataTracer: | Probably dd |
| [06:27:05] | justinh: | oh yeah you do need the xcode tools according to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Building_MythTV_on_Mac_OS_X |
| [06:27:30] | hoolio: | i'll admit i haven't used dd for that |
| [06:27:48] | DataTracer: | It just copies block for block |
| [06:27:51] | hoolio: | presumably the new drive will be the same partition size? |
| [06:27:52] | hoolio: | ya |
| [06:28:00] | DataTracer: | It's the same brand, same size |
| [06:28:03] | justinh: | But http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Myth_on_Mac_-_Build_status says 0.24 will build fine with xcode < ver 4 |
| [06:28:05] | hoolio: | okies |
| [06:28:12] | hoolio: | and will it be bootable? |
| [06:28:14] | DataTracer: | justinh: cool, thanks |
| [06:28:36] | DataTracer: | Yeah, it's a byte level copy, boot strap and all |
| [06:29:07] | hoolio: | is your old drive faulty or sommit? |
| [06:29:37] | DataTracer: | No, I just want to update without being able to roll back if something goes wrong |
| [06:29:47] | hoolio: | ah okies |
| [06:30:04] | DataTracer: | I did have a previous drive fail though |
| [06:30:26] | DataTracer: | Lost a lot of programs on my XFS partition |
| [06:30:36] | justinh: | DataTracer: also from one of the last pages I pasted a link to here, you can download 0.24 binaries from sourceforge |
| [06:30:55] | DataTracer: | Cool. Once I update the backend, I'll check that out |
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| [06:31:31] | xris: | anyone else notice white/sparkly artifacts on black areas during playback? been happening to me for months in trunk |
| [06:31:31] | justinh: | heh. last HDD failure I had almost took the database with it. Actually it did, but not in its entirety so I merged a backup from the previous day – only 'lost' one recording as a result :D |
| [06:31:49] | DataTracer: | Not bad |
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| [06:32:18] | justinh: | xris: eew, sounds like HDMI dropout |
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| [06:32:24] | DataTracer: | I recently dumped my satelite |
| [06:32:33] | DataTracer: | Strictly OTA and Netflix now |
| [06:33:07] | justinh: | daily database backups FTW! |
| [06:33:15] | DataTracer: | My HD is filling up quick with HD shows |
| [06:33:34] | justinh: | DataTracer: so do you plan to keep everything? ;-) |
| [06:33:39] | hoolio: | :) |
| [06:33:41] | DataTracer: | Yes, most of it |
| [06:34:05] | hoolio: | are you a hoarder? ;) |
| [06:34:06] | justinh: | awww. So you're *never* going to have enough storage then :-P |
| [06:34:14] | DataTracer: | My main drive is 1TB, and I have 2 external 1TB drives |
| [06:34:23] | xris: | justinh: say more |
| [06:34:32] | DataTracer: | Nah, I do delete stuff |
| [06:34:40] | DataTracer: | But I only keep the main stuff I want |
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| [06:35:21] | DataTracer: | Lately I'm not grabbing as much as I used to because I only have the antenna source |
| [06:35:46] | justinh: | xris: well, sounds to me like the kind of symptom seen when HDMI data drops out due to faulty cabling and/or HDMI transcievers on their way south |
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| [06:36:04] | xris: | justinh: interesting... cable I can look into... |
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| [06:36:36] | justinh: | xris: it may not be that, but 'sparklies' (similar in appearance to low signal problems with analogue satellite) are an artifact of HDMI problems |
| [06:37:10] | DataTracer: | I'm curious about other HTPC apps. Anyone tried others? How to they stack up to Myth? |
| [06:37:26] | justinh: | luminance inversion, colours being inverted... and when it gets worse whole areas of picture break up |
| [06:37:38] | DataTracer: | I tried FreeVo a long time ago, but never could get it to work right |
| [06:37:40] | hoolio: | i spent a few years using M$ XP MCE |
| [06:37:45] | justinh: | DataTracer: if you're after TV, nothing else compares to mythtv |
| [06:38:01] | mycosys: | tried gbpvr and mediaportal – just, not as complete |
| [06:38:03] | DataTracer: | I've heard Sage is decent |
| [06:38:07] | xris: | justinh: as far as I can tell it'sonly black and near-black pixels |
| [06:38:23] | xris: | will look into the cable, though. dvi->hdmi |
| [06:38:25] | justinh: | xris: they can be hard to spot in other areas |
| [06:38:41] | justinh: | DataTracer: sage tv looks like ass |
| [06:38:47] | justinh: | GBPVR looks like ass |
| [06:38:52] | justinh: | mediaportal is slow as hell |
| [06:39:06] | DataTracer: | Hmm, so guess I made the right choice huh? :-) |
| [06:40:03] | justinh: | I dunno where people get off on saying mythtv is much harder to set up than other pvr apps – maybe compared to MCE it is, but of all the windows PVR software I've tried it at least has a transparently tricky setup process |
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| [06:40:29] | DataTracer: | Eh, i can't stand windows anyway |
| [06:40:44] | DataTracer: | I only use it on my Netbook to watch Netflix, that's it |
| [06:40:48] | justinh: | as for freevo.. pfft. I sat down in front of their documentation for a couple of hours & decided against even trying. Bear in mind I was a complete noob at that point |
| [06:41:01] | justinh: | same goes for VDR |
| [06:41:13] | xris: | justinh: searching talks about firmware being a possible issue, too. though mythtv's the only thing that exhibits the info, so cable, connector, video card are possible. |
| [06:41:14] | DataTracer: | Well, I'm not a Linux noob, and it was hard for me to setup (freevo) |
| [06:41:35] | justinh: | xris: it could conceivably be a gamut clipping issue too |
| [06:41:51] | xris: | ? |
| [06:41:56] | DataTracer: | Been using Linux since 1995 |
| [06:42:07] | justinh: | gamut is the range of colour/brightness values |
| [06:42:46] | justinh: | xris: e.g. a black is *very* black.. blacker than it 'should' be & maybe myth is somehow clipping it & it's being inverted |
| [06:43:08] | DataTracer: | Ok, going to go start my drive copy. be back in a bit... |
| [06:43:11] | justinh: | though it's as likely to be a driver issue too |
| [06:43:17] | justinh: | (if it's clipping) |
| [06:43:18] | xris: | yeah, but how would I know/detect/fix? |
| [06:43:37] | justinh: | xris: try another player app first :-) |
| [06:43:46] | xris: | true... |
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| [06:44:05] | justinh: | xris: are you using VDPAU for accel/rendering ? |
| [06:44:19] | xris: | hopefully. :) |
| [06:44:31] | justinh: | so it's much more in the hands of the driver then |
| [06:44:37] | xris: | probably. |
| [06:44:47] | xris: | will check as soon as the wife is done watching tv. :) |
| [06:44:48] | xris: | thanks. |
| [06:45:09] | justinh: | also, if you're using VDPAU you can (AFAIK) use gamut correction.. can't remember the user-friendly term for it but it can convert to different colour spaces on the fly |
| [06:45:29] | justinh: | something like 'cinema RGB' or so |
| [06:46:14] | justinh: | btw if you have any kind of gamma correction going on within X (via nvidia-settings) maybe try playing with that too |
| [06:47:27] | justinh: | xris: we often have problems with video capture codecs in prototypes of the DVR products we make – it's often down to software configuring registers wrongly – usually means that very bright whites are clipped to black |
| [06:47:38] | justinh: | & vice-versa |
| [06:48:32] | justinh: | and contrary to popular belief, HDMI is not 'all or nothing'... there are some interesting states in-between where different video patterns can be seen to lose detail in different ways |
| [06:50:21] | justinh: | xris: also, if it's an HDMI related thing it's quite likely that it'd be less prevalent at a lower resolution :) |
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| [07:03:54] | justinh: | haha pulseaudio plays static when fed a stream of 0's. Oh that's just not funny.. nor should it even be possible |
| [07:11:21] | Beirdo: | yeah, what's with that? |
| [07:11:56] | xris: | justinh: lame. happens with and without vdpau, and in mplayer, too |
| [07:12:06] | xris: | guess I check the cabling tomorrow |
| [07:13:56] | Beirdo: | OMG. I've known ever song so far on this LP :) |
| [07:14:14] | Beirdo: | Bryan Adams – Reckless |
| [07:14:42] | Beirdo: | I guess him being Canadian has something to do with it... stupid CANCON rules |
| [07:15:36] | justinh: | xris: could also be illuminating to open GIMP & make a nice big image with a back to white gradient inside ;-) |
| [07:16:12] | xris: | justinh: yeah. odd that the letterboxing doesn't go funky, though |
| [07:16:17] | xris: | that should be black-black |
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| [07:16:46] | justinh: | yeah but black-black isn't #000000 in video ;-) |
| [07:17:03] | justinh: | *necessarily* |
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| [07:19:02] | justinh: | you also need to consider that HDMI signalling errors are more prone to be shown in non-flat areas – i.e. areas whose bounding isn't changing |
| [07:19:37] | justinh: | out of interest how long is the cable you're using? |
| [07:25:10] | justinh: | hopefully it's just the cable or adapter to blame, though a new graphics card will be cheaper than a new TV :-) |
| [07:26:07] | Beirdo: | 8 for 8 on this album so far |
| [07:26:24] | Beirdo: | of course, I never really realized they were all on one album ;) |
| [07:26:27] | xris: | justinh: cable looks OK with a different computer.. double checking |
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| [07:34:08] | xris: | justinh: confirmed that the cable is fine. same video, 2 machines, mythbox failes. |
| [07:34:12] | xris: | guess I buy a new video card |
| [07:34:47] | justinh: | I need to listen to the new Beastie Boys album soon. Dad Hip Hop :D |
| [07:35:03] | justinh: | they make me feel less bad about not dressing my age |
| [07:36:59] | xris: | heh |
| [07:42:37] | Beirdo: | heheh |
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| [07:43:41] | justinh: | To The Five Boroughs is the only album I have to turn my incar subwoofer down for.. except for anything by Deadmau5 |
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| [07:45:25] | justinh: | I went clubbing the other weekend & moaned it wasn't loud enough. Presumably because of all the new apartment blocks near the club. Who the hell wants to live within audible distance of a club anyway? |
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| [07:46:30] | xris: | slick. nvidia driver update (or kmod?) seems to have fixed it |
| [07:47:31] | justinh: | cool. maybe it was just gamut/gamma clipping after all :-) |
| [07:47:49] | justinh: | or HDMI drive levels.. or... or... ;-) |
| [07:50:27] | xris: | yeah, who knows. just glad it's fixed and the wife isn't complaining anymore. :) |
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| [07:58:26] | justinh: | right, I need to find the drawing for AC-W-940864 |
| [08:01:28] | toeb: | Hi, I moved some video files into new folders, but mythweb does not show the changes... any idea what i can do to update the the list? |
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| [08:03:58] | justinh: | scan for changes! |
| [08:06:25] | toeb: | where? In mythweb?? |
| [08:10:23] | justinh: | yeah. the big button which says 'scan collection'. if it's still there in 0.24 :P |
| [08:10:56] | justinh: | mind, that might break stuff so it'd be best to rescan from mythfrontend |
| [08:13:37] | toeb: | can't find this button... so its probably gone.. |
| [08:13:57] | toeb: | ah using the frontend worked |
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| [08:16:39] | justinh: | oh FGS. I've got to make up a cable for an IP camera but the bill of materials for this model lists a cable part which doesn't have the network connections labelled |
| [08:16:53] | justinh: | how the HELL does this company manage to sell ANYTHING?! |
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| [08:33:59] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [08:37:05] | Beirdo: | OK, I want this album to end so I can go to bed. One more song when this one ends |
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| [08:37:35] | Beirdo: | and I generally agree with the sentiment that Chicago 13 was a letdown. Stupid disco crap |
| [08:39:10] | Beirdo: | I mean, I know it was 1979, but they didn't have to sell out |
| [08:39:33] | Beirdo: | thankfully, I think they learned their lesson after that by all reports |
| [08:40:52] | Beirdo: | oh yeah, I wanted to figure out how to print labels on the Dymo LabelWriter again |
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| [10:10:19] | justinh: | ARGHH. new cable drawing issued. There's a TX+, TX-, RX- and RX- |
| [10:10:29] | justinh: | idiots! |
| [10:33:10] | staylo: | hehe |
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| [10:57:12] | hashbang: | justinh: two RX grounds, nice. |
| [10:57:55] | justinh: | not grounds :-) |
| [10:58:04] | justinh: | ethernet is balanced |
| [10:58:52] | hashbang: | schoolboy error on my part. :-) |
| [10:59:01] | hashbang: | I don't do L1. :-) |
| [10:59:38] | justinh: | time to eat my lunch of mostly water |
| [11:11:55] | justinh: | knowing what it is that prawns/shrimps spend their days eating, how the hell do they taste so good? |
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| [11:32:25] | justinh: | whaaaaaaaaaaaa? Microsoft might be buying Skype? :-O |
| [11:32:34] | justinh: | still, rather them have it than facebook |
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| [12:01:15] | mycosys: | sea cockroaches justinh |
| [12:01:35] | mycosys: | i dont undersyand how people eat em |
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| [12:02:49] | justinh: | just put em in and nom :-) |
| [12:03:27] | justinh: | as much as I love a good ribeye, I can't afford to have one every day :P |
| [12:05:03] | mycosys: | prawns are pricier than beef |
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| [12:36:04] | rileyp: | permissions for mythtv rec dir 775 ??? with myth as owner does that look correct? |
| [12:40:33] | mycosys: | drwxrwsr-x 3 mythtv mythtv 143360 2011-05–10 22:30 recordings |
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| [12:42:09] | justinh: | and? |
| [12:42:21] | justinh: | oh. Heh. I have filter |
| [12:45:42] | rileyp: | mycosys that what mine are but I need the numbers but because Im such a noob I dont know em and I though you being so ... well cmon spill those beans |
| [12:46:05] | mycosys: | lol |
| [12:46:14] | mycosys: | yeah – thats 775 |
| [12:46:30] | mycosys: | 4 for read, 2 for write, 1 for execute |
| [12:46:32] | justinh: | man pwn |
| [12:46:37] | rileyp: | thanks |
| [12:46:41] | justinh: | er chmod I mean |
| [12:46:42] | mycosys: | tho – round here i am a newb lol |
| [12:47:07] | justinh: | there are people in the world who can work out the bitmasks in their head, instantly. The freaks |
| [12:47:37] | rileyp: | I hope to one day not today though |
| [12:47:43] | mycosys: | i actually have no issue with the bits – can never remember how the heck to do chmod the +w +x way lol |
| [12:48:47] | justinh: | I met a proud Centos user once at a linux thing, who was very proud of how he could convert bitrates in his head. he was a bit of a dick |
| [12:48:49] | rileyp: | i know 777 cheater that I am |
| [12:49:37] | rileyp: | lucky Im not a server admin |
| [12:49:46] | justinh: | not saying all Centos users are the same, but the way he went on stuck in my mind. Opening the conversation with "Why does mythtv suck?" isn't what I call getting off on the right footing |
| [12:52:04] | rileyp: | out of interest what does the s mean in this file permission drwxrwsr-x |
| [12:52:18] | justinh: | that reminds me. not had a scrat around to see if there are any UK linux expos recently |
| [12:52:48] | rileyp: | that /var/lib/mythtv has |
| [12:53:16] | rileyp: | er soz prob /var/lib/mythtv/recordings |
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| [12:59:42] | justinh: | anyway, this Skype sale.. $8bn.. could Shuttleworth afford that? break it wide open.. and er.. well maybe not profit, that'd be certain LOL |
| [13:01:13] | mycosys: | some1 seriously opened a convo with that?/?? |
| [13:01:40] | justinh: | yes |
| [13:01:51] | justinh: | and I judged the guy to be a douche. Sue me :-) |
| [13:02:11] | justinh: | the other corker from the same weekend was "Why does mythtv always crash?" |
| [13:02:47] | justinh: | I just replied to that guy (different guy) with a "I dunno, mine never has. Bye" |
| [13:03:05] | rileyp: | so 644 would be enough or would the normal use be unable to delete recordings |
| [13:03:39] | mycosys: | 644 is actually more sane lol – not that there would be any diff in use |
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| [13:04:26] | mycosys: | that centos guy sounds like one of those douches that knows pi to 600 decimal places justinh |
| [13:04:34] | rileyp: | repeating would the normal use be unable to delete recordings ? with this setting |
| [13:04:58] | justinh: | just glad I never got his name or I'd have bitched it out in a blog entry :P |
| [13:05:21] | rileyp: | Justinh have you been doing any work on themes of late? |
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| [13:27:39] | mzb: | rileyp: why do you have +s on that dir? |
| [13:28:09] | mzb: | *wrong* |
| [13:30:02] | rileyp: | I dont know how it got there actually it was mycosys but my /var/lib/mythtv/recordings is the same |
| [13:30:44] | mycosys: | ask tgm4883 lol |
| [13:31:04] | mycosys: | i am pretty sure that is from ubuntu's default setup |
| [13:31:24] | mzb: | really? |
| [13:31:28] | mzb: | gawd |
| [13:31:50] | rileyp: | Is 644 more suitable? or will this prevent my normal mythbuntu user from being able to deleting recordings from withing myth. |
| [13:32:02] | mzb: | sounds a bit extreme |
| [13:32:15] | rileyp: | mycosys is correct mine is default m/buntu set up |
| [13:32:18] | mzb: | 755 is fine |
| [13:32:27] | mzb: | it's the +s that worries me |
| [13:32:28] | justinh: | rileyp: no, and the more people who ask, the less chance of it happening |
| [13:32:31] | mycosys: | 644 would just remove execute – no difference |
| [13:32:52] | mzb: | ^ same diff |
| [13:33:42] | rileyp: | I get that I dont know why in a default buntu set up they put the execute in thats all? |
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| [13:36:55] | mzb: | does it matter? |
| [13:37:27] | mzb: | the +s is just plain weird .. +x is irrelevant |
| [13:37:34] | rileyp: | justinh I can feel the love. You helped me a few times with a small theme issue work around I'm gratefull thats all. |
| [13:37:36] | mzb: | (mostly) |
| [13:38:01] | rileyp: | mzb yes I wont sleep tonight wondering |
| [13:38:23] | mzb: | oh ... sorry ... didn't mean to curse your sleep pattern |
| [13:38:35] | rileyp: | lol only kidding |
| [13:38:40] | mzb: | ;) |
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| [13:40:18] | mzb: | ok, my alarm tells me I can go to bed now ... gnite all |
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| [13:40:30] | mycosys: | rileyp – mzb is another aussie btw |
| [13:40:30] | mycosys: | he has 2 heads iirc |
| [13:40:50] | mzb: | really? |
| [13:40:54] | mzb: | gawd |
| [13:40:59] | mzb: | poor guy |
| [13:41:28] | mycosys: | lol nite mzb |
| [13:41:31] | rileyp: | likewize sleepy time |
| [13:41:34] | mzb: | ;)) |
| [13:41:40] | mycosys: | gettin close for me too |
| [13:41:40] | rileyp: | for me to |
| [13:41:50] | mycosys: | fightin urge to smoke |
| [13:42:32] | mzb: | yeah ... need to make porridge for two hungry little girls in the morning ... I need all the sleep I can get to ensure I can cook it *perfectly* |
| [13:43:09] | mzb: | nothing quite like two little kids running around the house screaming "Yay! Porridge time!" |
| [13:43:13] | mzb: | *cackle* |
| [13:43:37] | mzb: | if I don't get enough sleep I don't get it *perfect* |
| [13:44:03] | mzb: | (>30yrs experience == I like to think I'm half-reasonable at it now;)) |
| [13:44:59] | mycosys: | microwave = perfect lol |
| [13:45:16] | mycosys: | i like my porridge both runny and lumpy |
| [13:45:18] | mycosys: | :D |
| [13:46:01] | justinh: | ugh. porridge |
| [13:47:40] | mycosys: | poor limeys have to eat it |
| [13:50:38] | justinh: | picts, not limeys :-) |
| [13:51:31] | mycosys: | lol |
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| [14:24:10] | justinh: | wow. amazon have a phenom x4 3.2Ghz black edition pretty cheap right now |
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| [14:26:03] | justinh: | http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002TQYUAE . . . otukdeals-21 :-) |
| [14:27:03] | deegan: | I'm having problem trying to transcode some 1080 material that i recorded, "2011-05–10 16:25:58.066 NVR(/dev/video) Error: Unable to open FFMPEG/mpeg4 codec" but i have ffmpeg compiled and it shows the mpeg4 if i issue "ffmpeg -codecs". |
| [14:27:35] | justinh: | transcode with *what* ? |
| [14:28:44] | deegan: | I set up a profile called "Autodetect from 1080i" with the codec set to MPEG-4. |
| [14:28:58] | justinh: | that has nothing to do with ffmpeg |
| [14:29:12] | deegan: | Ok so is this a ffmpeg or mythtranscode problem? |
| [14:29:19] | deegan: | because i can't wrap my head around it. |
| [14:29:21] | justinh: | mythtv's own version of ffmpeg is completely separate |
| [14:30:22] | deegan: | So what I have to do something like "--enable-mpeg4" when i compile mythv? |
| [14:30:26] | justinh: | and FWIW I wouldn't bother using mythtranscode because your recording will wind up in a nuppelvideo container, not just plain mpeg4 as far as I know |
| [14:30:56] | deegan: | Ok so what would be "best practice" if i want to reduce the size of my HDTV recordings? |
| [14:31:05] | justinh: | get a bigger disk :P |
| [14:31:08] | deegan: | haha |
| [14:31:13] | justinh: | keep less |
| [14:31:26] | justinh: | best practice is whatever works for you |
| [14:32:10] | deegan: | Well disk is not a problem, I just want to get the size down and remove the commercials. |
| [14:32:54] | deegan: | 15GB for a game of hockey + commercials, that's a bit stiff. |
| [14:32:54] | justinh: | it's a waste of time IMHO, considering the price of box sets in about 6 month's time :P |
| [14:33:20] | deegan: | yea maybe you're right, why bother when i'm probably not watching the thing more then once anyway. |
| [14:33:39] | deegan: | but still it bothers me that if i want to i cant as it stands right now. |
| [14:33:54] | deegan: | is this related to when i compiled mythtv? |
| [14:34:09] | justinh: | I dunno. did you actively disable stuff? |
| [14:34:19] | deegan: | Well nothing like that anyway. |
| [14:34:35] | deegan: | the only disable i have is hdhomerun. |
| [14:36:13] | justinh: | maybe this would be more of a job for a user job. see the wiki |
| [14:36:52] | deegan: | I've used handbrake-cli before so maybe that's an option. |
| [14:37:50] | justinh: | there are user job scripts which can obey cutlists |
| [14:38:11] | justinh: | but FWIW there's really not much point doing this for stuff you don't plan to keep |
| [14:38:52] | deegan: | takes forever, jesus. Estimated 4h on the first pass. |
| [14:39:01] | justinh: | and then there's that |
| [14:39:16] | deegan: | na you know what screw it, it's not worth the hassle. |
| [14:39:33] | justinh: | storage has never been cheaper :) |
| [14:39:38] | deegan: | tru.dat |
| [14:40:02] | justinh: | it gets more true every day, too :D |
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| [14:45:04] | deegan: | Yea I see the 2TB are so cheap i'm almost thinking i should make a backup NAS for my current storage. |
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| [16:24:07] | JEDIDIAH__: | you can't have too much redundancy... |
| [16:25:30] | JEDIDIAH__: | I just build a another array to be a duplicate of my mythvideo stuff. |
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| [16:44:12] | skd5aner: | great... google just created a new home automation wirless protocol – why can't they just extend something like z-wave :P |
| [16:45:49] | wagnerrp: | what is google doing having anything to do with home automation? |
| [16:46:23] | skd5aner: | "Android @home" program |
| [16:46:31] | skd5aner: | watching google IO live stream of the keynote |
| [16:47:19] | wagnerrp: | is wireless really any cheaper than powerline? |
| [16:47:41] | wagnerrp: | i honestly dont understand why powerline gear is like $60-$100/endpoint |
| [16:47:44] | skd5aner: | http://www.google.com/events/io/2011/index-live.html |
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| [16:48:41] | wagnerrp: | oh no! 'the cloud' |
| [16:48:50] | skd5aner: | other large announcement was their answer to Amazon's music cloud service |
| [16:48:52] | randomuser: | wagnerrp, i would guess because the folks that think powerline is a good idea don't know any batter |
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| [16:49:42] | skd5aner: | wtf? touch a CD to a device and it adds i to your library? |
| [16:49:47] | skd5aner: | there's not even a bar code scanner |
| [16:50:07] | wagnerrp: | randomuser: i dont promote powerline as a replacement for high volume ethernet |
| [16:50:27] | wagnerrp: | but instead of low volume home automation signalling? |
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| [16:50:39] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: alot of the plc controls are REALLY expensive for HA |
| [16:50:54] | wagnerrp: | all of these units are going to be plugged into a power socket anyway, why not use it? |
| [16:50:56] | skd5aner: | the good ones anyway – X10 sucks |
| [16:51:13] | wagnerrp: | its not like you need 250Mbps HPNA |
| [16:51:21] | wagnerrp: | even a few Mbps would be FAR FAR more than sufficient |
| [16:51:32] | skd5aner: | you don't even needs that much |
| [16:52:15] | randomuser: | ahh |
| [16:52:37] | randomuser: | signalling devices, i could see that |
| [16:53:07] | skd5aner: | Everyone at Google IO gets a new samsung 10.1" tab for free? :P |
| [16:53:22] | randomuser: | although, i would take measures to put everything on the same 802.x subnet |
| [16:53:58] | skd5aner: | randomuser: HA wireless doesn't use 802.x protocols |
| [16:54:06] | wagnerrp: | a few Mbps would be enough that you could piggyback audio on it as well |
| [16:54:20] | wagnerrp: | for the speaker demo they just did |
| [16:54:30] | randomuser: | my point exactly |
| [16:54:32] | wagnerrp: | but anything like video should have dedicated wiring |
| [16:54:52] | wagnerrp: | i just dont see why a couple mbps over powerline would be expensive to implement |
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| [16:55:01] | skd5aner: | I don't consider A/V to be "HA" |
| [16:55:09] | skd5aner: | A/V can hook and be controlled by H/A |
| [16:55:26] | skd5aner: | but HA is more related to control, not distribution |
| [16:56:48] | randomuser: | home automation could be done with snmp and normal packet traffic, no need to r/d a whole new infrastructure just to run these devices as peripherals rather than peers |
| [16:57:19] | skd5aner: | True, but you're thinking about the end device... |
| [16:59:04] | skd5aner: | I wired my entire house when I was building it for HA... and at the time I selected to wire for ALC lighting... which is light switches that can be controlled via cat5... so I have miles of yellow cat 5 running to every light switch in my house... |
| [17:00:20] | skd5aner: | that said, by the time I was ready to start investing in HA a few years later, the primary ALC lighting manufacture sold their business off to one of their distributors, and the switches went from ~$80/switch to ~$220/switch... so now I have a ton a cat5 in my walls that is next to worthless for that |
| [17:00:41] | skd5aner: | so I've decided to leverage a z-wave wireless mesh network and deploy HA lighting that way |
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| [17:01:59] | wagnerrp: | they shouldnt be anything like $80/switch |
| [17:02:06] | wagnerrp: | they should be like $20 |
| [17:02:16] | skd5aner: | That woudl be nice |
| [17:02:40] | skd5aner: | maybe these android @home HA devices will be more in that consumer-friendly price range |
| [17:03:01] | wagnerrp: | i mean the hardware simply isnt that expensive to produce |
| [17:03:07] | skd5aner: | but, in the meantime – most HA, especially PLC, is a few hundred bucks |
| [17:03:23] | skd5aner: | or, at least >$100 a piece |
| [17:03:33] | wagnerrp: | youre just talking about an AC relay, and a generic microcontroller |
| [17:03:33] | randomuser: | now that i think about it, my thesis is bullshit. sorry to troll, i got bored |
| [17:04:02] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: just the way it is man... |
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| [17:04:20] | wagnerrp: | you can pick up an arduino for $30 and it would be hugely overkill for the task |
| [17:04:21] | skd5aner: | randomuser: heh :) |
| [17:04:36] | wagnerrp: | randomuser: please watch the language in this channel |
| [17:04:58] | randomuser: | wagnerrp, sorry |
| [17:05:23] | wagnerrp: | a microcontroller with a few IO channels and a built in z-wave modem could be stamped out in bulk for a couple dollars a pop |
| [17:05:32] | tgm4883: | skd5aner, all that cat 5 to places there is already power? I'm thinking tons of little mythboxes |
| [17:05:51] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: UPB is a popular line method, you can see here how much they are – http://www.smarthome.com/_/Dimmers_Lighting_A . . . 23Z/nav.aspx |
| [17:06:15] | skd5aner: | tgm4883: I went way overkill when I did all the wiring in my house |
| [17:07:47] | skd5aner: | I ran 2 RG6QS, 5 MiniCoax terminated to Component and stereo audio, 2 Cat6 cables for data, 4 Cat6 cables for any baluns/future proofing – all wired to a central closet for distributed A/V |
| [17:07:56] | skd5aner: | those run to every place a TV might go |
| [17:08:19] | skd5aner: | that doesn't include anything specific for HA, security, data/voice, etc |
| [17:08:56] | skd5aner: | and of course, put power there too |
| [17:09:47] | skd5aner: | These are the z-wave switches I've started to put in a few locations – http://www.smarthome.com/_/Dimmers_Lighting_A . . . 23V/nav.aspx the Leviton and GE ones |
| [17:10:04] | skd5aner: | Radio Shack cleared out all of their Z-Wave GE switches in January – they were like 85% off |
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| [17:11:30] | skd5aner: | anyway – it's a fun hobby, but I'm tackling it very slowly since dumping money into it is pretty low piority and high cost |
| [17:11:31] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: ok... a single switch is $34 on that site, so assuming the actual switch hardware is $5, its $30 for a receiver unit |
| [17:11:50] | wagnerrp: | a 600W dimmer is another $30 at lowes |
| [17:11:59] | wagnerrp: | so all together, it should go for... $60 |
| [17:12:04] | wagnerrp: | but theyre selling one for $100 |
| [17:12:30] | skd5aner: | That's the Aux Swithc that's $33 – that's just if you want additional controls for a switch (3-way, 4-way, etc) |
| [17:12:38] | skd5aner: | the primary switch is $83 |
| [17:12:39] | thwg2005: | Does anyone have a good reference on how to cross reference the "channel" numbers mythtv finds when scanning QAM-256 to actual channel numbers found on zap2it, etc? |
| [17:13:14] | randomuser: | skd5aner, have you looked at linuxMCE? |
| [17:13:25] | wagnerrp: | thwg2005: when you mouse over a channel in your schedules direct lineup, it will popup the XMLTV ID |
| [17:13:29] | skd5aner: | randomuser: very little |
| [17:13:43] | wagnerrp: | add that ID to the channel in the channel editor, and mythfilldatabase will be able to grab data for it |
| [17:13:46] | thwg2005: | wagnerrp: so use the XMLid to associate them? okay |
| [17:14:11] | skd5aner: | Yup :) |
| [17:14:39] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: don't know what else to say other than – the prices are high... heh, not saying they're "fair" |
| [17:14:56] | randomuser: | skd5aner, http://twit.tv/floss133 for your next commute; sounds like a lot of features you'd get into. Native x11 support, distributed control, etc |
| [17:15:21] | thwg2005: | I'm having the hardest time getting a single station OTA so I'm trying to use what I can get unencrypted over cable... this is becoming a real pain |
| [17:15:29] | skd5aner: | it's always been a niche market (historically) – so I'm imagining volume is low and they – and they're not commoditized at this point |
| [17:16:56] | thwg2005: | is the tuner in the hvr-1600 just complete crap? |
| [17:17:08] | thwg2005: | there are cable stations I can't pick up that I can pick up on my TV's tuner... |
| [17:17:15] | thwg2005: | I thought that problem would be isolated to OTA |
| [17:18:21] | randomuser: | thwg2005, no problems with the hvr-1600 here |
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| [17:21:34] | wagnerrp: | thwg2005: the 1600 does have some issues with multipath, but no digital tuner should have any problems with a cable signal |
| [17:21:49] | wagnerrp: | the only time you might have issue is if you overamped the signal, or split it too many times |
| [17:22:08] | thwg2005: | wagnerrp: wish I could figure out why certain stations aren't detected on a scan... it's not amp'd and I'm only splitting once |
| [17:22:24] | thwg2005: | wagnerrp: same signal works great to my TV's tuner |
| [17:22:40] | wagnerrp: | you should have plenty of signal for one split |
| [17:22:58] | wagnerrp: | and for whatever reason, tuners in TVs tend to be a lot more robust than those found in tuner cards |
| [17:23:44] | skd5aner: | randomuser: yea – I've love it if MythTV had some more direct integration for HA – the framework is there for someone to leverage with "Events" and also the new IP control in master – someone just has to have the initiative to take advantage of it |
| [17:24:12] | wagnerrp: | thwg2005: use the command line 'scan' and see if that picks up anything mythtv's scanner does not |
| [17:24:26] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: new IP control? |
| [17:24:38] | skd5aner: | the stuff markk through in |
| [17:24:49] | thwg2005: | wagnerrp: ok |
| [17:24:50] | skd5aner: | still POC/beta |
| [17:24:51] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [17:25:10] | wagnerrp: | the mythmessage stuff? |
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| [17:25:54] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: nope... HTTP control – 3'rd bullet – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.25#mythfrontend |
| [17:26:25] | randomuser: | skd5aner, you can run myth on linuxMCE |
| [17:26:40] | skd5aner: | randomuser: yea, I know – i think it's their primary TV interface |
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| [17:27:24] | skd5aner: | randomuser: I just don't want to get locked into something as custom as linuxmce – but I appreciate what they're trying to do |
| [17:27:49] | skd5aner: | "through"? – ugh.... s/through/threw |
| [17:27:53] | randomuser: | ahh, gotcha |
| [17:28:16] | randomuser: | it does sound like a whole system solution |
| [17:28:49] | skd5aner: | yea, at least that's how I saw it – I think it was an evolution of the Pluto commercial system that kind of went belly up |
| [17:29:51] | randomuser: | yeah, but its effectively gpl |
| [17:30:00] | skd5aner: | yea |
| [17:30:20] | randomuser: | the pluto license just says "ask before you sell a turnkey system" |
| [17:31:53] | randomuser: | and i believe they try and keep the codebase modular |
| [17:32:06] | skd5aner: | I'm not sure pluto exists as an entity anymore |
| [17:32:24] | randomuser: | so for a hobby, it fits; try, adapt, plunder code |
| [17:32:31] | skd5aner: | selling the hardware was their business model, and the software was the free part since it was GPL |
| [17:32:48] | skd5aner: | randomuser: yup, very true :) |
| [17:33:32] | randomuser: | one of those things on my 'someday' list, dependent on space on my desk for a soldering kit |
| [17:34:13] | skd5aner: | selling a hardware solution for myth? |
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| [17:35:04] | randomuser: | haha |
| [17:35:07] | randomuser: | no, home automation |
| [17:35:33] | thwg2005: | wagnerrp: can you point me to the CLI scan? this page seems outdated... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Adding_Digital_Cab . . . SA/Canada%29 |
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| [17:38:38] | skd5aner: | I don't think there is a CLI scan option anymore? |
| [17:38:44] | thwg2005: | wagnerrp: nm... |
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| [17:42:36] | wagnerrp: | the 'scan' utility is an external one |
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| [17:43:40] | thwg2005: | wagnerrp: dvbscan returns "failed to open frontend" |
| [17:43:54] | wagnerrp: | is your backend running? |
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| [17:44:34] | thwg2005: | wagnerrp: yes |
| [17:44:51] | wagnerrp: | the backend locks all tuner cards, preventing external access |
| [17:45:02] | thwg2005: | wagnerrp: gotcha |
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| [17:47:33] | thwg2005: | wagnerrp: now that backend is stopped, I get "unable to query frontend status" |
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| [17:55:59] | thwg2005: | wagnerrp: I see " DVB: registering adapter 0 frontend 0 (Samsung S5H1409 QAM/8VSB Frontend)..." |
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| [17:56:16] | thwg2005: | wagnerrp: $ sudo dvbscan /usr/share/dvb/atsc/us-Cable-Standard-center-frequencies-QAM256 |
| [17:56:16] | thwg2005: | Unable to query frontend status |
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| [17:58:03] | wagnerrp: | thwg2005: if you get that, something is still using the tuner |
| [17:58:11] | wagnerrp: | are you sure you stopped the backend? |
| [17:58:25] | thwg2005: | wagnerrp: yep |
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| [17:58:50] | wagnerrp: | how did you stop it? |
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| [18:00:05] | thwg2005: | $ /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop |
| [18:01:03] | thwg2005: | I don't see any processes matching anything that would seem relevant |
| [18:05:49] | thwg2005: | wagnerrp: is there any way to see what might be using the tuner? |
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| [18:06:42] | wagnerrp: | lsof |
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| [18:08:44] | thwg2005: | wagnerrp: what am I looking for? |
| [18:10:59] | thwg2005: | if I start mythtv-backend, I see /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 in use |
| [18:11:16] | thwg2005: | wagnerrp: stop backend... that's not in use... |
| [18:12:18] | wagnerrp: | then perhaps your user doesnt have permissions to the device |
| [18:12:47] | thwg2005: | wagnerrp: yeah... trying now |
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| [18:15:44] | thwg2005: | wagnerrp: nope... this is frustrating |
| [18:16:01] | thwg2005: | wagnerrp: is there a log? |
| [18:18:45] | thwg2005: | wagnerrp: so, using "scan" instead of "dvbscan" seems to be working... |
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| [18:25:37] | high-rez: | Is AMD Fusion going to (or does it now) matter? E.g. is their video offload stable, and is VAAPI feature rich enough to be competitive with VDPAU? |
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| [18:30:06] | wagnerrp: | just as VDPAU, consider VAAPI as a bonus rather than a required feature |
| [18:30:21] | wagnerrp: | the recommended frontend should still have sufficient power to decode everything in software |
| [18:30:26] | wagnerrp: | and the Fusion will not |
| [18:31:02] | wagnerrp: | the i3s are a much more interesting proposition for a frontend than Fusion systems |
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| [19:05:32] | wagnerrp: | wow... |
| [19:05:43] | wagnerrp: | someone on the mailing list is actually using a broadcast DTA with a PVR-150 |
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| [19:07:05] | pladijs: | I have messed up my X configuration, is there a package I could dpkg-reconfigure to get back the default configuration? this is on 11.04 |
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| [19:09:29] | wagnerrp: | sounds like an ubuntu question |
| [19:09:35] | kormoc: | pladijs, Suse? Fedora? |
| [19:09:57] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: you mean there are distros other than ubuntu? |
| [19:10:32] | pladijs: | mythbuntu |
| [19:11:05] | wagnerrp: | yes, this sounds like an ubuntu question |
| [19:12:10] | pladijs: | but i guess there are lots of settings which are specific to mythbuntu, no? Like automatic login etc. (not looking forward to dive into #ubuntu) |
| [19:12:45] | wagnerrp: | you said it was a problem in your X configuration |
| [19:12:58] | wagnerrp: | mythbuntu doesnt do anything special with regards to that |
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| [19:13:08] | wagnerrp: | and their auto-login is simply an option in gdm |
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| [19:14:22] | pladijs: | I understand. I'll try #ubuntu, thanks |
| [19:14:26] | JEDIDIAH__: | or kdm if you get tired of gdm |
| [19:15:25] | JEDIDIAH__: | most "myth stuff" isn't myth at all. |
| [19:15:32] | pladijs: | i broke down X while trying to run a second X server on vt8. dont remember exactly what the last thing was i changed, though. |
| [19:16:17] | wagnerrp: | as i understand it, ubuntu 11.04 has /no/ X configuration |
| [19:16:25] | wagnerrp: | its all auto-configured when you run the X server |
| [19:16:32] | pladijs: | but say i want to use kdm. how do i tell kdm to start the myth frontend. or is that a kdm specific question |
| [19:16:34] | JEDIDIAH__: | xorg has been able to do that for awhile now. |
| [19:16:59] | JEDIDIAH__: | either way kdm/gdm, you are controlling what's going on in the mythtv user session. |
| [19:17:03] | wagnerrp: | KDM would start your window/desktop manager |
| [19:17:19] | wagnerrp: | and that that would subsequently run mythfrontend, using whatever auto-run facilities it has |
| [19:17:23] | JEDIDIAH__: | same basic ideas, different way about going about it. |
| [19:20:03] | pladijs: | I see. thanks for your help. I'm going to try some more and ask in appropriate channels |
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| [19:31:16] | JEDIDIAH__: | just google it and poke around a bit. |
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| [19:35:49] | JosX: | I have a question, I just installed Mythubuntu 10.10 and upgraded to 11.4. Now It says it cannot connect to backend while this is set up as a backend/frontend machine? the ip is 127.0.0.1 so I am not sure what this problem is. I was wondering if anyone here might have an idea |
| [19:36:21] | wagnerrp: | sounds like your backend is not running |
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| [19:38:56] | tgm4883: | JosX, thats your queue |
| [19:40:04] | JosX: | Well its just one machine, so I am at a lost why it wouldnt be running. |
| [19:40:51] | tgm4883: | JosX, is it running? |
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| [19:42:49] | JosX: | no its not |
| [19:42:58] | tgm4883: | JosX, have you looked at the logs? |
| [19:44:36] | tgm4883: | JosX, Zinn> MythTV logs are stored in /var/log/mythtv/ You can use mythbuntu-log-grabber from the Applications menu to automatically post the most relevant logs to our pastebin. |
| [19:45:44] | JEDIDIAH__: | it also helps to run stuff manually and watch the log output. |
| [19:46:00] | JEDIDIAH__: | sometimes |
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| [19:47:23] | ** tgm4883 puts a quarter on "no tuner defined" ** | |
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| [19:58:57] | JosX: | backend is up, logs shows it. starting up as master server |
| [19:59:45] | wagnerrp: | does 'ps' show it is still running? |
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| [20:05:31] | JosX: | no |
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| [20:06:02] | wagnerrp: | so clearly the problem is that the backend is not running |
| [20:06:16] | wagnerrp: | so check your logs to determine why the backend is self terminating |
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| [20:10:09] | tgm4883: | JosX, i'd use mythbuntu-log-grabber and let someone more knowledgable look at them |
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| [20:15:03] | JosX: | ok, http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/ub712PuY here is my log |
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| [20:15:56] | tgm4883: | Warning: No valid capture cards are defined in the database. |
| [20:16:04] | tgm4883: | Quarter for me |
| [20:16:29] | tgm4883: | JosX, You need to run mythtv-setup and configure the backend |
| [20:17:45] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: you around? |
| [20:18:19] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, I am |
| [20:19:09] | wagnerrp: | got any suggestions of what im doing wrong here? http://pastebin.com/cETvjWVd |
| [20:19:16] | wagnerrp: | its barfing on that second NOW() |
| [20:20:10] | wagnerrp: | i previously had schedruntime as a timestamp, but then it complained i could only have one timestamp column that used CURRENT_TIMESTAMP in the DEFAULT or ON UPDATE clauses |
| [20:20:31] | kormoc: | Yeah, you can only have one NOW() as well :( |
| [20:20:47] | kormoc: | you could setup a trigger on the table's update to set more then one |
| [20:21:07] | wagnerrp: | nah, not worth the effort |
| [20:21:26] | wagnerrp: | since all creation is going to be managed by the jobscheduler code (no external database access to the jobqueue) |
| [20:21:33] | wagnerrp: | its not like its that important to set default values |
| [20:23:01] | wagnerrp: | actually, its still saying now() is not a valid default for schedruntime |
| [20:23:18] | wagnerrp: | is now() not supported by datetime? |
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| [20:25:33] | CiaranG: | CURRENT_TIMESTAMP |
| [20:25:38] | CiaranG: | rather than now() |
| [20:25:48] | CiaranG: | iirc |
| [20:26:45] | CiaranG: | Yeah.. http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/timestamp.html |
| [20:27:19] | wagnerrp: | but thats just another word for NOW() |
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| [20:34:49] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, yes, NOW should be supported for a datetime |
| [20:35:06] | kormoc: | ooh, as a define? nah, it's only timestamps |
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| [20:43:34] | NewBuntu81: | Anyone able to help with setting up an IR blaster (pvr-150-mce)? I have entered information onto http://pastebin.com/37RqEwxb. |
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| [20:59:41] | Josh``: | Having an issue compiling mythplugins on the 0.24-fixes branch. "main.cpp:24:26: error: mythcoreutil.h: No such file or directory |
| [21:00:02] | Josh``: | Google doesnt lend any suggestions. What does this error mean? |
| [21:00:09] | wagnerrp: | have you installed mythtv? |
| [21:00:36] | Josh``: | Good lord. youre right. *smacks himself* |
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| [21:01:03] | Josh``: | trying to update 3 machines and got caught up on perl deps :p |
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| [21:23:17] | NewBuntu81: | ok, in order for an IR blaster to work, it would have to load the firmware, right? |
| [21:25:41] | Josh``: | NewBuntu81: in order to use an IR blaster, you need a program to control the hardware (usually lirc) which will include a kernel module for the hardware. In addition to that, you need the codes of the remote you want to emulate, which are stored in a seperate text file. I've never encountered the need for firmware. |
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| [21:26:57] | NewBuntu81: | Alrighty. I have LIRC installed, and I have the Pace (comcast DTA) file set up for Ir transmitting (blasting). There must be a "switch" somewhere that I need to enable...hmmm |
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| [21:27:16] | Josh``: | NewBuntu81: what hardware do you have? |
| [21:28:53] | NewBuntu81: | HP branded pvr-150-mce. Looks like this, http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51vDnvO . . . 0_AA300_.jpg |
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| [21:30:26] | Josh``: | NewBuntu81: looks like an mceusb. Depending on your lirc version you want to use the 'mceusb' or 'mceusb2' module |
| [21:32:11] | NewBuntu81: | ok, that's what I was thinking, mceusb. Scroll down to part E, i'm still getting errors like it can't find the hardware. http://pastebin.com/37RqEwxb |
| [21:33:03] | NewBuntu81: | whoops, part F i mean...the first. HA. I just noticed I have 2 part F's. oh well. |
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| [21:34:10] | Josh``: | NewBuntu81: did you build lirc with the 'transmitter' option? |
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| [21:36:18] | NewBuntu81: | Yes, i had to recompile/rebuild because I guess it doesn't come that way (default). |
| [21:36:32] | NewBuntu81: | Maybe I need to recompile it again to see if there was an issue? |
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| [21:39:04] | NewBuntu81: | I have LIRC 0.9.0, i wonder if it's too new or buggy? Should I downgrade? |
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| [21:40:15] | NewBuntu81: | Interesting that the device shows up as a Fintek. "usb-FINTEK_eHome_Infrared_Transceiver_88636562727801-event-if00 |
| [21:40:15] | NewBuntu81: | " |
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| [21:43:24] | wagnerrp: | the mceusb stuff is all ehome of some type |
| [21:45:17] | NewBuntu81: | At the bottom of http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/LIRC#Fedora_14_x86 . . . uge_PVR_150, it looks like Jarod and Mark had summarized steps for the pvr-150...of which the mceusb came with I guess (if you bought the kit). |
| [21:46:00] | wagnerrp: | no, the PVR-150 came with the hauppauge IR cable, that plugged into the back of the card |
| [21:46:06] | NewBuntu81: | I'm running Fedora for the backend. I had read that "lirc_zilog" was used in newer versions. But maybe i'm looking at the wrong thing? |
| [21:46:16] | NewBuntu81: | ok |
| [21:46:17] | wagnerrp: | the PVR-150-MCE comes with the ehome MCE transceiver |
| [21:46:32] | NewBuntu81: | is a transceiver the same as a blaster? |
| [21:46:50] | wagnerrp: | tranceiver = transmitter + receiver |
| [21:47:54] | NewBuntu81: | ok |
| [21:48:21] | NewBuntu81: | so if my computer sees the transceiver, which it is calling a Fintek....but it can't seem to "blast" to change a channel... |
| [21:48:37] | NewBuntu81: | Where might I have gone wrong? In compiling lirc with the transmit option? |
| [21:48:53] | wagnerrp: | never gotten a blaster working personally |
| [21:49:54] | NewBuntu81: | ok. figured i'd throw it up here. if someone sees this and wants to chime in, feel free to pvt me. i look back from time to time. |
| [21:52:13] | NewBuntu81: | Thanks Josh''and Wagnerrp. |
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| [21:52:33] | ** wagnerrp didnt realize he really helped in any way ** | |
| [21:52:49] | NewBuntu81: | Ehh, helped me to talk through it anyway hahaha. Moral support! |
| [21:53:06] | NewBuntu81: | That i'm not going insane with this, and that it's tough! hahaha |
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| [22:05:18] | ** DataTracer waves ** | |
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| [22:05:24] | DataTracer: | Hi all |
| [22:06:05] | DataTracer: | Anyone using a Hauppauge HVR-1600 with MythBuntu 10.10 ? |
| [22:07:18] | NewBuntu81: | nope, i have about every other card but that LOL |
| [22:08:19] | DataTracer: | I just updated, and now I have no audio on my ATSC tuner :-( |
| [22:08:40] | DataTracer: | Or working remote, but I can probably fix that later |
| [22:10:52] | wagnerrp: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fpc5vgi9zbM#t=3m43s |
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| [22:47:01] | slickrick: | hey anyone using MyMote to control myth and using the lirc support it has? |
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| [23:02:35] | bumblebeebat: | has anyone ever tried the backend on a pogoplug |
| [23:03:07] | wagnerrp: | avoid, stop, cease, desist |
| [23:03:36] | bumblebeebat: | hahaha, that bad huh |
| [23:03:52] | kormoc: | it's always a race to the unusuable... |
| [23:03:58] | wagnerrp: | the scheduler needs power |
| [23:04:06] | wagnerrp: | lacking power, it will cause delayed recordings |
| [23:04:11] | wagnerrp: | the database needs power |
| [23:04:23] | wagnerrp: | lacking power, it will cause slow, unresponsive UIs |
| [23:05:01] | sphery: | wagnerrp: what's the difference between Chrome and Chromium? |
| [23:05:05] | bumblebeebat: | Yeah good point, I pick up one without a realpurpose for it |
| [23:05:19] | bumblebeebat: | I think chromium is open |
| [23:05:22] | wagnerrp: | sphery: one is binary, one is source |
| [23:05:26] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [23:05:34] | wagnerrp: | chrome is based on chromium |
| [23:06:09] | bumblebeebat: | I saw the netflix html5 chrome news |
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| [23:06:42] | bumblebeebat: | I am just afraid that the drm is only going to work with chrome and not chromium |
| [23:06:47] | sphery: | kormoc: btw, do you see any reason why https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/6b660a1ef#L0R334 would be a bad idea (for a way to delete the oldest extrarows to leave maxrows in the DB)? |
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| [23:09:25] | bumblebeebat: | does anyone know any details for the netflix chrome plugin |
| [23:09:31] | kormoc: | sphery, don't we have an id field? That'd work but I'd personally just do DELETE FROM table WHERE id < (max_id – maxrows); |
| [23:09:52] | kormoc: | bumblebeebat, it uses the system silverlight plugin and so it's useless for linux |
| [23:10:40] | sphery: | yeah, I could do that, but I didn't think assuming contiguous ids was a good plan--especially if I later start expiring logging from some apps sooner (like the 1wk for previewgen and commflag) |
| [23:10:58] | kormoc: | fair 'nuff |
| [23:11:04] | sphery: | I'm guessing the ID approach would be much more efficient, though |
| [23:11:33] | sphery: | (we do have an index on msgtime (as well as the PK, id), though) |
| [23:11:38] | kormoc: | the count(0) is decently harsh for innodb tables |
| [23:11:41] | wagnerrp: | bumblebeebat: what did you want to know? |
| [23:11:56] | sphery: | count(0) is bad? is there a better approach? |
| [23:12:06] | sphery: | or you mean just plain counting rows is tough |
| [23:12:18] | kormoc: | sphery, aye, any counts with innodb is rough, there's no stored row count |
| [23:12:31] | kormoc: | MVCC for the lose (in this case) |
| [23:12:59] | kormoc: | sphery, I guess I wonder at the max rows entirely... is it even needed? |
| [23:13:14] | sphery: | wow, I figured with an index, there would always be a count |
| [23:13:20] | sphery: | might not |
| [23:13:44] | kormoc: | Nah, indexes are also versioned, so depending on which history id you're viewing, it's different |
| [23:13:50] | sphery: | just didn't want some user who has -v all set to complain that his DB got 200MB bigger |
| [23:14:01] | sphery: | and then demand we put in settings to allow them to specify expiry |
| [23:14:19] | bumblebeebat: | wagnerrp: I was just wondering if it was released. I looked around but could not find anything |
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| [23:14:21] | sphery: | especially with the ffmpeg spew |
| [23:14:33] | wagnerrp: | i do not believe so |
| [23:14:47] | kormoc: | sphery, fair 'nuff |
| [23:14:51] | sphery: | (btw, this is in the new-logging branch, which uses the same logging API for all sinks) |
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| [23:15:54] | sphery: | so, it sounds like the best thing is to closely monitor the logging and try to pick the right expiry (time based) to prevent us from going overboard row-wise so we never actually hit that code |
| [23:16:10] | kormoc: | Yeah, that'd be best for all involved |
| [23:16:17] | bumblebeebat: | thanks wagnerrp, it would be the icing on the cake if myth could run netflixs |
| [23:16:41] | wagnerrp: | bumblebeebat: the closest you could get would be myth externally loading a link in chrome |
| [23:16:51] | sphery: | cool... will watch (when 0.25 is out--assuming this gets in first)--and will have some of the bleeding-edge folk watch on their production systems |
| [23:17:04] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, I was fairly sure it used the system silverlight and thus wouldn't work on linux? |
| [23:17:45] | sphery: | bumblebeebat: heh, your fear is exactly what wagnerrp was guessing on list--which is why I asked him about the diff between Chrome and Chromium |
| [23:17:47] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: they just today announced a plugin for chrome that would interface with netflix, and pump video into chrome using the html5 video player |
| [23:18:23] | kormoc: | oh wow |
| [23:18:31] | wagnerrp: | presumably to allow netflix on browsers and OSs that do not support silverlight |
| [23:18:49] | bumblebeebat: | Yeah, but atleast something would work |
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| [23:21:25] | ** sphery guesses the whole thing is to allow netflix on Android ** | |
| [23:21:31] | sphery: | and not so much for GNU/Linux |
| [23:21:49] | kormoc: | netflix is already on android |
| [23:21:51] | sphery: | after all, we're all 2nd-class citizens in tech |
| [23:22:00] | sphery: | oh, then maybe not |
| [23:23:09] | kormoc: | I'm this || close to canceling my directv. it's rather much a money sink right now |
| [23:23:17] | sphery: | On the bright side, Google didn't buy Skype, so it won't take over the world (any more than it already has)... But MS bought Skype, so it will go from proprietary and locked down to status quo. |
| [23:24:15] | sphery: | kormoc: 4 1/2 years satellite free, and loving the extra money in my pocket |
| [23:24:24] | sphery: | (and I'm nowhere near short on things to watch) |
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| [23:29:01] | bumblebeebat: | I think a lot of the motivation to release this chrome plugin was to help ChromeOS. |
| [23:29:58] | sphery: | that makes sense |
| [23:30:13] | sphery: | (a lot more sense than ChromeOS makes :) |
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| [23:31:26] | bumblebeebat: | haha, your telling me |
| [23:32:14] | sphery: | heh, my fear is that the world won't agree with me--and then we'll all have to trust Google to provide all the apps/services/data storage for all our computing |
| [23:32:14] | bumblebeebat: | a kernel, x11 and a browser |
| [23:34:13] | bumblebeebat: | Yeah, I dont understand why everone wants to keep everything in the cloud. |
| [23:34:45] | bumblebeebat: | Thank goodness for open source and options |
| [23:34:59] | sphery: | bad enough that the smartphone craze has convinced everyone they need to buy a separate app for every app/service/piece of info they want from the 'net (and that they're willing to trust Apple, and to some extent, Google, to allow the apps they want--and sell them to us while pocketing 30% of everything)... having no OS and "thick" thin clients (with JS apps, etc) and all cloudiness providing apps would be worse |
| [23:37:06] | bumblebeebat: | yeah, there is an app for that |
| [23:37:12] | bumblebeebat: | ;) |
| [23:37:19] | sphery: | heh |
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| [23:44:51] | bumblebeebat_: | sorry, gnome3 keeps freezing |
| [23:45:22] | ** jams gives gnome3 a warm coat and socks ** | |
| [23:46:26] | jams: | tough crowd |
| [23:46:33] | bumblebeebat_: | I was wondering, why did mythmovie (displayed the local theatre information) go the way of the dodo bird |
| [23:46:51] | bumblebeebat_: | I laughed jams |
| [23:46:53] | hoolio: | http://img.imgur.com/yvtdc.png |
| [23:46:59] | jams: | because the source for the information dropped time from the info |
| [23:47:25] | jams: | so it only listed movies/place but not time |
| [23:48:09] | jams: | i asked if they planned on restoring the time info, they said yes but so far it hasn't been done |
| [23:49:46] | bumblebeebat_: | Ok, that is why. I kind of miss it, I am in canada, I had to use a google script to get it to work here |
| [23:50:17] | jams: | the google script viloated some TOS (i think) |
| [23:50:26] | bumblebeebat_: | Oh, ok |
| [23:50:32] | jams: | which is why it couldn't be included |
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| [23:51:35] | bumblebeebat_: | Has anyone tried contacting google and ask them if we put a "powered by google" splash, if we would access there info |
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| [23:51:56] | jams: | don't know |
| [23:52:10] | jams: | i used that plugin alot |
| [23:52:22] | bumblebeebat_: | Yeah so did I |
| [23:55:35] | bumblebeebat_: | Just out of curiosity, would it be ok to have a powered by button in a plugin |
| [23:55:51] | bumblebeebat_: | powered by logo I meant |
| [23:58:01] | bumblebeebat_: | are there project rules against showing branding |
| [23:58:58] | sphery: | jams: heh (slow crowd, actually) |
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