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Friday, April 29th, 2011, 00:01 UTC
[00:01:51] clever: git calls it master
[00:03:07] clever: head i think refers to the lastest commit on the current branch
[00:04:13] high-rez: Then I suppose my question is "Is HDMV mode neabled by default in measter/head?"
[00:04:20] high-rez: Except I'd spell master right
[00:04:51] clever: then id answer that i have no idea what HDMV mode is:P
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[00:08:27] high-rez: And that would be a clever answer.
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[00:57:04] wagnerrp: the broadcast engineers at my local cbs affiliate are awful
[00:57:27] wagnerrp: theyve been broadcasting pillarboxed 4:3 all night
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[01:20:47] mycoDA: wagnerrp beleive it or not, all the channels do that here
[01:20:55] mycoDA: all the time
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[01:36:57] wagnerrp: mycoDA: do they also leave in the top couple lines of VBI?
[01:37:56] mycoDA: the jagged edge? yep
[01:38:54] wagnerrp: not just the jagged edge
[01:39:09] wagnerrp: im talking about the one actively blinking with closed caption text
[01:39:33] mycoDA: occasionally
[01:39:55] mycoDA: didnt occur to me that would bt how i would see the blanking pulse lol
[01:40:08] mycoDA: was like – umm the blankin pulse is blank rofl
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[01:52:17] k-man: anyone noticed teletext subtitles not working properly in recent builds?
[01:52:25] k-man: of .24-fixes
[02:02:20] wagnerrp: 'how could you bludgen someone with a weapon as light as titanium'
[02:02:22] wagnerrp: wtf?
[02:03:05] wagnerrp: oh, and now hes using magnetic gloves to sieve out a titanium implant
[02:03:22] wagnerrp: come on people, reality isnt that hard to pull off
[02:05:03] Beirdo: so... just setup my chair... and put the laser printer where I want it
[02:05:31] Beirdo: and realized... I want to drill holes in the hutch part of the desk so I can run power cables.
[02:05:35] Beirdo: sigh
[02:06:14] wagnerrp: hutch?
[02:06:39] Beirdo: yeah, the part above the desk surface with cabinet and shelves
[02:06:41] wagnerrp: use of a hutch just means youre wasting space that could otherwise be spent on more monitors
[02:06:47] Beirdo: heh
[02:06:52] Beirdo: there will be one monitor
[02:07:00] Beirdo: 15" LCD :)
[02:07:06] wagnerrp: in the middle
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[02:07:13] wagnerrp: flanked by multiple additional monitors on both sides
[02:07:13] Beirdo: and whatever laptops I have around
[02:07:15] Beirdo: yeah
[02:07:35] Beirdo: well, it will be flanked by my turntable and the DVD jukebox
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[02:07:49] wagnerrp: and... monitors
[02:07:58] Beirdo: the laser printer fits great up in the hutch
[02:08:11] Beirdo: hehe, not monitors... yet :)
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[02:08:22] Beirdo: this 15" one was a $12 castoff from work
[02:09:03] Beirdo: eventually, yeah, more monitors
[02:09:05] Beirdo: hehe
[02:13:04] Beirdo: wonder why my previewgens are taking about 10s
[02:14:13] Beirdo: well, at least they are working :)
[02:16:11] wagnerrp: 'was unable to find the titanium implant'
[02:16:18] wagnerrp: well no crap, magnets do not stick to titanium
[02:16:32] Beirdo: hehe
[02:16:38] Beirdo: which crappy show?
[02:16:55] wagnerrp: bones
[02:17:12] Beirdo: heh, wow, usually their writers are better than that
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[02:20:52] wagnerrp: the internet seems to think otherwise
[02:21:10] wagnerrp: i wonder if it was the specific alloys ive used that were non-magnetic
[02:33:07] larrikin: can I presume that non-magnetic stainless steel has titanium or something else in it ?
[02:34:04] larrikin: I shouldn't say non- .. its more anit-
[02:34:13] larrikin: *anti
[02:34:38] wagnerrp: anti?
[02:34:58] wagnerrp: stainless steel has a high percentage of chromium, not titanium
[02:35:07] Beirdo: so "something else"
[02:35:32] Beirdo: I couldn't recall which metal :) I remembered galvanized has zinc
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[02:37:48] wagnerrp: i thought galvanized was just a special process or coating, not the metallurgical makeup of it itself
[02:38:20] Beirdo: ahhh, yeah not an alloy perhaps... coated with zinc?
[02:38:44] wagnerrp: probably coated
[02:39:17] Beirdo: hot-dipped, apparently
[02:40:12] Beirdo: it seems that there is some alloying occurring as a side-benefit, but really it's a coating more than anything
[02:41:08] Beirdo: anyways.. what did we ever do before the days of wikipedia?
[02:41:42] [R]: we were stupid
[02:42:00] ** wagnerrp spins around to the big shelf of engineering books behind him **
[02:42:04] Beirdo: "were"?
[02:42:17] [R]: lol
[02:42:21] Beirdo: sorry, but America's youth is dumber than ever :)
[02:42:28] [R]: so i figured out a hardware problem today all by myself
[02:42:37] [R]: i read schematics, and chip specs... and solved my problem
[02:42:41] Beirdo: yeah, we used real encyclopedias and text books
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[02:45:24] wagnerrp: some of us use journal publications
[02:45:47] Beirdo: yeah
[02:45:55] Beirdo: I should rejoin IEEE
[02:46:52] [R]: i apparently have access that crap from my work
[02:47:03] Beirdo: that stuff ain't crap
[02:47:05] [R]: lol
[02:47:23] wagnerrp: its hard to justify it if you dont have access through work or other shared resource
[02:47:36] wagnerrp: its too friggen expensive for personal use
[02:47:55] Beirdo: $100/yr or so for base membership? or has it gone up?
[02:48:56] Beirdo: easier to go to a local engineering university though
[02:49:29] wagnerrp: thats it? the aero stuff is like 650 for a membership, individual papers are like $20, full libraries are tens of K/year
[02:49:48] Beirdo: I'd have to check
[02:49:48] wagnerrp: yes, easier to just take that one credit hour every couple years to maintain a login
[02:49:56] [R]: lol
[02:50:01] wagnerrp: so you can continue using Uni access
[02:50:23] Beirdo: $180US for full membership in IEEE
[02:50:32] Beirdo: but each subsociety adds on
[02:51:18] Beirdo: like IEEE Aerospace and Electronics Systems Society is another $25/yr
[02:51:54] Beirdo: and all the proceedings, print and online: $47/yr
[02:52:03] Beirdo: it does add up real quick though
[02:52:24] wagnerrp: clearly the aerospace industry is worth more
[02:52:26] wagnerrp: :)
[02:52:54] ** wagnerrp hides because he knows hes going to be outnumbered in this channel **
[02:52:55] Beirdo: nah, just sillier
[02:53:25] Beirdo: depends on which part of Aerospace though, that covers electrical, mechanical, chemical....
[02:53:48] Beirdo: not to mention physics (and buttloads of it)
[02:54:38] Beirdo: and (shudder) thermodynamics
[02:54:51] wagnerrp: i was never much one for electrical and control systems
[02:54:56] Beirdo: hehe
[02:55:04] Beirdo: that part of aerospace... I do like
[02:55:06] wagnerrp: im more an aero/thermodynamicist
[02:55:25] Beirdo: we are professional opposites :)
[02:55:25] wagnerrp: a glorified (we prefer 'specialized') MechE
[02:55:31] wagnerrp: :)
[02:55:47] Beirdo: thermo was my lowest grade in university
[02:56:06] Beirdo: it was the sacrificial goat that term
[02:56:39] wagnerrp: i took thermo from some mad dutchman
[02:56:45] wagnerrp: we were in the basement
[02:56:48] Beirdo: hehe
[02:56:49] wagnerrp: he didnt like the basement
[02:57:01] wagnerrp: so he took a marker and drew a window, with a sun and some clouds, on the wall
[02:57:09] Beirdo: hahaha
[02:57:11] Beirdo: I like
[02:58:28] Beirdo: I can see how people could get really into thermo though. It's definitely intriguing, but I had already decided where I was headed, and didn't give much more than half a crap about the course
[02:58:46] Beirdo: if I were gonna do HVAC or something, I'd be a lot more into it
[02:59:20] wagnerrp: well im thermo as far as fluid flow is concerned
[02:59:24] Beirdo: or jet engines... hehe, but then I woulda gone mechanical, not electrical
[02:59:35] wagnerrp: it just amounts to one more equation in the solution set
[02:59:40] Beirdo: yup
[03:00:08] Beirdo: fun stuff, just not in my favorite part of engineering
[03:00:41] wagnerrp: although combined aero/mech/thermo/chemo simulations are probably going to become the norm in the next 10 years or so
[03:01:10] Beirdo: fun stuff
[03:01:17] wagnerrp: dynamic structures and gridding, with chemical variant flows
[03:01:27] wagnerrp: right now, all that stuff is largely handled independently
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[03:02:08] Beirdo: BTW... You'll be happy to know that although I worked for Pratt & Whitney, I've since bought shares in GE :)
[03:02:23] Beirdo: probably will buy some UTC as well (Pratt's parent)
[03:02:34] wagnerrp: i.e. you use predicted aero stresses to determine the mechanical flexure, which you then pump into a big aero model
[03:02:47] wagnerrp: rather than just computing both at the same time, and letting them fall where they may
[03:03:27] Beirdo: Sounds like fun, but a bit of stress for the brain
[03:03:45] Beirdo: better than letting it rot
[03:04:00] wagnerrp: well no, what we have no is stress for the brain
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[03:04:15] wagnerrp: what were moving to is stress developing the equations and solvers
[03:04:23] wagnerrp: and then letting the computers do the rest
[03:04:47] Beirdo: you still have to be able to validate that the models are correct
[03:04:52] Beirdo: someone has to know :)
[03:05:33] wagnerrp: a good deal of busywork goes into grid refinement, but future solvers would use dynamic griding, with intelligent rules to increase the density as needed by the flux magnitude
[03:06:01] wagnerrp: so you just feed in a generic grid, and you get out a good solution, rather than having to go through several months of a refinement study to confirm that the grid is good
[03:06:15] Beirdo: hehe
[03:06:16] Beirdo: good.
[03:06:49] wagnerrp: the tradeoff you get is of course speed
[03:07:24] wagnerrp: the solver runs a quarter as fast, but you only run it once
[03:07:52] Beirdo: ahh.
[03:09:07] Beirdo: Oh whoah. one of my pitchers today (and actually a Mariner!) won 7–2... and his ownership went from 64% of leagues... to 99.3% if leagues as a result
[03:09:33] Beirdo: good solid showing, and kicked Detroit's butt
[03:09:59] wagnerrp: i dont know what that means... ownership?
[03:10:04] wagnerrp: you cant trade mid-season can you?
[03:10:09] Beirdo: yeah, you can
[03:10:20] wagnerrp: and so now everyone has him?
[03:10:27] Beirdo: but from that one game, 35% of the leagues picked him up
[03:10:30] Beirdo: fantasy leagues
[03:11:17] Beirdo: I was ahead of the curve as he's a local pitcher with some promise, so I grabbed him when nobody else thought of it
[03:11:44] wagnerrp: so you got him for cheap?
[03:11:59] Beirdo: yup :)
[03:12:07] Beirdo: he's 4–1 on the season. nice
[03:12:50] Beirdo: I have a feeling I'm keeping him to next year
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[03:13:47] Beirdo: anyways... baseball is always one of those things for me
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[03:21:55] Beirdo: hmmm, food, then maybe get the logpath stuff back into the commandline parser :)
[03:22:15] Beirdo: done completely differently than sphery originally did it, no doubt
[03:23:56] sphery: heh, would have to be with the new command-line parser
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[03:34:53] trumee: i am unable to play any mp4 video in 0.24. This is the mythfrontend log, http://www.pastie.org/1845919
[03:35:24] trumee: I use the Images plugin and select the video to play
[03:36:02] iamlindoro: a) why are you trying to use the image gallery to play video? b) You shoudl ask in an mplayer channel for help with mplayer
[03:36:08] trumee: They are videos from a camera
[03:36:12] iamlindoro: So?
[03:36:31] wagnerrp: iamlindoro: do you know offhand what causes duplicate videos in videometadata?
[03:36:33] trumee: iamlindoro: i could try playing it using the mythvideo plugin
[03:36:38] wagnerrp: is it people using 'bad' external scanners?
[03:36:39] iamlindoro: Broken use case aside, we don't support mplayer here
[03:36:49] wagnerrp: or some funky issue from a pre-release version?
[03:36:55] iamlindoro: wagnerrp, Almost certainly, as it should be impossible in .24
[03:37:42] trumee: iamlindoro: right, i tried playing through mythvideo but the video playback speed is hiugh
[03:37:43] wagnerrp: considering just writing up a dirty script to remove the duplicates
[03:38:01] trumee: iamlindoro: and that is using the Internal player
[03:38:13] iamlindoro: trumee, Then you have broken audio configuration
[03:38:26] trumee: iamlindoro: right.
[03:38:55] iamlindoro: so fix your audio configuration and use mythvideo and the internal player
[03:39:18] trumee: iamlindoro: thanks. going to try this out
[03:44:42] trumee: iamlindoro: seems to have worked. Is there any way to a) make Images plugin ignore videos OR b) make Images plugin call 'Internal' rather than mplayer for videos.
[03:45:09] trumee: this way it will limit the confusion on where the videos should work
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[03:47:15] trumee: scratch that, i changed mplayer to 'xv' instead of 'vdpau'. The videos play fine in Images now
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[03:55:04] wagnerrp: why do i have so many videos with a NULL hash?
[03:56:56] wagnerrp: its not NULL, its actually the text NULL
[03:59:03] Beirdo: odd
[04:09:35] wagnerrp: sphery: been seeing ads that flashpoint is going to start up the next season
[04:13:39] Beirdo: nice
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[05:58:02] ** Beirdo impatiently waits for recording to end **
[05:58:11] Beirdo: I want to test this code before going to bed
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[07:42:28] predatell: Hello, please, help me to use pulse audio with mythtv.
[07:42:34] predatell: Are there any links or pulse is not supported by mythtv?
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[07:43:07] predatell: Debian squeeze, mythtv 0.24
[07:43:36] justinh: if you can possibly avoid it, avoid pulseaudio :-)
[07:43:39] wagnerrp: uninstall pulseaudio, use alsa directly
[07:43:50] wagnerrp: wht do you think you need to use pulseaudio?
[07:44:09] justinh: seamlessly switching between 5.1 surround and bluetooth headset!
[07:44:42] wagnerrp: because... you want to listen to tv through a crappy tinny phone headset?
[07:45:02] justinh: yes! because! I ! can!
[07:45:12] [R]: rofl
[07:45:18] wagnerrp: 4kHz upper range FTW!
[07:45:56] justinh: maybe you could use 6 BT headsets, 4 for your ears.. and er... better not go there in a family friendly channel
[07:46:10] predatell: Does this link help me http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup ?
[07:46:31] justinh: predatell: how should we know?
[07:46:40] [R]: you still havn'e told us why you think you need it
[07:47:05] justinh: predatell: the patch is no longer needed. that page is very badly out of date
[07:47:17] justinh: mythtv will work with PA, but its use is not preferred
[07:47:46] wagnerrp: and IIRC, it is stereo only
[07:47:59] wagnerrp: and there is no passthrough audio
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[07:49:57] justinh: eh? no passthrough for digital? EEEEEEEEEEEEW
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[07:50:19] wagnerrp: digital passthrough is impossible with pulseaudio
[07:50:26] wagnerrp: the architecture simply doesnt allow for it
[07:50:28] predatell: [R]: All my programs configured with pulse... Pulse is default for my distro )))
[07:50:44] justinh: predatell: most misguided choice any distros have ever made IMHO
[07:50:44] wagnerrp: and the pulseaudio devs adamantly refuse to support passthrough
[07:51:01] wagnerrp: predatell: is there any reason you cant simply use ALSA with all those other applications?
[07:51:15] justinh: wagnerrp: but what about those of us who want our AV receiver to give us googies? we have to rely on discrete analogue junk? Sigh
[07:51:30] wagnerrp: for 99% of Linux users, pulseaudio adds exactly zero advantage over alsa
[07:51:31] mycosys: imo – purge pulse, and while ur at it network manager
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[07:52:00] [R]: wagnerrp: i once used pulseaudio...
[07:52:11] [R]: i had 2 sound cards and i switched the output on the fly to put video and sound on my tv
[07:52:26] wagnerrp: justinh: no, you can use LPCM if your device supports it
[07:52:28] [R]: on a normal desktop that was jerry riged to output to the tv
[07:52:31] justinh: mmmmm just think, replace one nice coaxial digital audio cable with... 3 or 4 messy 3.5mm stereo jack to phono (RCA) leads. Thanks, pulseaudio!
[07:52:41] wagnerrp: or you can recompress to DTS if youre using SPDIF
[07:52:54] justinh: wagnerrp: but still no passthrough
[07:53:01] wagnerrp: but that decompress, multiplex, recompress...
[07:53:09] mycosys: wtf that is nuts
[07:53:21] wagnerrp: just a PITA, whose only purpose is to composite in other system audio sounds
[07:53:37] wagnerrp: and if youre playing passthrough audio from a movie, you DONT WANT other system sounds
[07:54:28] justinh: mycosys: isn't it
[07:55:53] mycosys: so you HAVE to distort and alias sounds from 5.1 sources?
[07:56:05] wagnerrp: yes
[07:56:17] predatell: wagnerrp: I only want to try mythtv. I'm not sure that I will need this program. I would not want to remove the pulse just because one program
[07:56:30] mycosys: pulse is a bad thing predatell
[07:56:46] justinh: so maybe tell us what you aim to get from mythtv
[07:56:54] wagnerrp: predatell: mythtv will disable pulse while it is running, so it can access ALSA directly
[07:56:54] mycosys: is an extra layer over alsa that just adds distortion and delay
[07:57:03] wagnerrp: remember that pulseaudio does not have access to hardware
[07:57:08] predatell: mycosys: maybe
[07:57:08] wagnerrp: it has to overlay on top of ALSA
[07:57:23] mycosys: not maybe predatell – is
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[07:58:00] mycosys: its only purpose that i can see is to allow sound to be routed over the network, which is ironic seeing linux seems to be moving away from X in the future planning
[07:58:16] wagnerrp: s/linux/ubuntu/
[07:58:30] wagnerrp: come now mycosys, youve been around long enough you shouldnt be making that mistake
[07:59:26] wagnerrp: pulseaudio is a sound server, nothing more, nothing less
[07:59:46] mycosys: is more than just buntu planning that move
[07:59:48] wagnerrp: it takes audio from multiple sources, mixes them, and dynamically sends them out to multiple devices
[08:00:07] wagnerrp: it does the same exact thing as the half dozen other sound servers available for linux
[08:00:30] mycosys: X11 _IS_ ancient, and kludged, and full of legacy code – something HAS to be done about it
[08:00:40] wagnerrp: it doesnt do it better, and in the case of multimedia, it does them much worse because of an inability to properly handle latency
[08:01:06] wagnerrp: the only thing that made it get picked up by all these distros so quickly is that it had a fancy GUI to control it with
[08:01:14] justinh: fancy GUI my eye
[08:01:15] mycosys: all of which can be done in the alsa plugin architecture ironically
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[08:01:59] justinh: mycosys: yeah but alsa configuration is something of a very black art
[08:02:08] mycosys: but ur right wagnerrp – i shouldnt have said linux – linux is just a kernel
[08:02:39] mycosys: should have said a lot of ppeople involved in gnu/linux distro planning
[08:02:47] wagnerrp: mycosys: i hadnt heard that anyone but ubuntu was planning to move to weyland
[08:03:17] mycosys: ok – i may be very mistaken – running on memory and still suffering badly from nicotine withdrawals
[08:03:40] wagnerrp: X certainly has its issues, but network transparency is one of the most amazing features of POSIX systems
[08:03:49] wagnerrp: and it would be a damn shame if that gets lost
[08:05:12] predatell: I probably asked a frequent question. Are there any references to this topic
[08:05:20] mycosys: agree totally wagnerrp
[08:05:37] mycosys: to my mind we need x12, not weyland
[08:05:40] predatell: justinh: For the pulse to use any special options or settings
[08:05:45] wagnerrp: predatell: yes, references all over the logs and our mailing list
[08:06:02] wagnerrp: and all of them say either remove pulse entirely, or let mythtv suspend pulse while it is running
[08:06:11] wagnerrp: either way, letting it access alsa directly
[08:06:46] justinh: funny enough, it's not a question which crops up here often
[08:06:50] mycosys: do you use network manager predatell
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[08:07:26] predatell: mycosys: no
[08:07:38] mycosys: good – it is a royal PITA for servers
[08:07:43] wagnerrp: use of network manager isnt a problem if youre using 127.0.0.1 for everything
[08:07:53] wagnerrp: and TBH, its only a PITA if you dont configure it properly
[08:08:12] mycosys: kinda is if your system is trying to run services before network manager is up
[08:08:14] wagnerrp: of course its entirely pointless using it on non-mobile systems
[08:08:34] wagnerrp: mycosys: which would be... misconfigured
[08:08:45] mycosys: also – defaul configured
[08:08:48] mycosys: *default
[08:08:59] justinh: I thought NM was just an ubuntu-ism
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[08:09:09] mycosys: have it in suse too
[08:09:12] wagnerrp: justinh: no, more of a gnomeism
[08:09:14] mycosys: is great on my lappy
[08:09:17] justinh: ah
[08:09:29] mycosys: just was a nightmare on myth machine
[08:09:30] justinh: wifi on my laptop is a non-starter. near bloody useless
[08:09:32] wagnerrp: which migrated into a kdeism too
[08:09:41] mycosys: sometimes i regret goin buntu on my myth machine lol
[08:09:57] mycosys: was knoppmyth b4 that
[08:10:01] justinh: I might get round to de-buntu-ing my frontend
[08:10:13] justinh: or at least customise it so it boots faster
[08:10:53] justinh: oh WTH... 'upgraded' to android 2.2 on my phone & the network – as in PHONE NETWORK keeps flaking out
[08:11:03] justinh: back to 2.1 I go
[08:11:23] mycosys: jus get an ssd justinh rofl
[08:13:09] justinh: considered that
[08:13:47] justinh: but after having my wallet royally reamed yesterday there'll be no more IT purchases for a while
[08:13:56] mycosys: lol
[08:14:05] mycosys: fortunately what reamed mine was 2 ssds
[08:14:13] mycosys: corsair vertex2 80G
[08:14:39] justinh: £901 for work my car needed to be done
[08:15:13] justinh: reckon this'll be the last MOT test it has under my ownership. have to get rid before it starts costing more than it's worth
[08:15:51] mycosys: isnt that what cars bdo?
[08:16:08] justinh: then I figure, a new car will just cost more money & it's all swings & roundabouts.. i.e. all cars are neverending money sinks
[08:16:44] justinh: so it's spend £6k on a newer car which sails through the test every year & costs bob all to service.. or keep the 8 year+ old on the road sinking money into it
[08:17:01] mycosys: ours is 12yo and costs naff all
[08:17:56] justinh: mine would cost no more than parts if my frickin wife would relent & let me do it all. hell, this time around, me not being able to put a full day aside has cost me the best part of a grand
[08:18:43] mycosys: why wont she let you????
[08:19:00] mycosys: more money than sense? or past history?
[08:19:09] justinh: we don't have any off-road parking
[08:19:27] justinh: that, and she has no confidence in my mechanical ability
[08:19:38] mycosys: why?
[08:19:40] justinh: at least, when it comes to cars
[08:19:43] justinh: I don't know
[08:19:46] mycosys: most of it is piss easy
[08:19:53] mycosys: sorry
[08:19:58] mycosys: i know – language
[08:20:19] justinh: yup. generally all you need is the right tools for the job, all on hand
[08:20:32] justinh: and the haynes manual.. and if push comes to shove the internet :)
[08:21:01] mycosys: nice for a hyndai that details are all on thier site – hmaservice
[08:23:49] justinh: heh
[08:24:12] justinh: there's always that (cough) database downloadable over (cough cough)
[08:25:20] justinh: stealer fed me a line yesterday about non-original parts being unavailable for this version of car. I took it at face value, said to go ahead with the work
[08:25:39] justinh: then looked into it and smacked my forehead repeatedly for a couple of hours
[08:26:30] justinh: £600 for the rear brake system ... shoes, discs, cylinders... and another £301 for a front shocker. Absolutely disgusting
[08:27:15] justinh: but, they already had the car in bits, broke the rear braking system taking it apart it was in such a state, so getting it somewhere else would've been a job & a half – so they basically had me by the danglies anyway
[08:33:11] mycosys: wot?????? that would be criminal here
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[08:35:07] justinh: well, to 'inspect' the condition of the rear brakes the drums have to come off.. and because of the way everything had worn it had to be fairly whacked, which messed up the shoes & everything else
[08:35:17] justinh: stupid drum barkes
[08:35:19] justinh: *brakes
[08:36:06] justinh: so it'd have to be towed somewhere else.. big hassle.. need it done by next week so I can tax the car (conditional on it passing its MOT test)
[08:36:21] mycosys: i meant the lie about not having aftermarket parts available
[08:36:53] mycosys: but damaging it would be their liability, tho that is civil not criminal
[08:37:12] justinh: yeah well. it's my own stupid fault for not putting my foot down hard enough with my mrs and besides that leaving it too bloody late
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[08:46:17] justinh: wouldn't care, her car had a leaking waterpump, replacement of which calls for virtually the engine to be lifted out.. she was quoted £250 for the work – very reasonable considering the labour involved – the mech wrote "inc parts & labour & VAT" on the quote... the girl on the desk totted it up & it came to almost £700 after labour. Out came the piece of paper with the quote on it & they had to abide by it
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[08:52:47] mycosys: that sound more like it justinh lol
[08:54:34] justinh: every damn thing that goes wrong with her car, I hear about it *after* she's talked to a mechanic friend who works for a VW dealership down South. it's so frickin imasculating
[08:55:10] justinh: it's insulting, as if I'd have no idea. every single time she starts the story, I tell her what I reckon & every time I'm right
[08:56:25] mycosys: why do women take suck pride in emasculating their partners?
[08:57:48] justinh: I dunno. like it's a battle of who knows best
[08:58:43] justinh: she still goes around driving at 30mph in 3rd gear. virtually never uses 5th & wonders how she goes through a tank of petrol a week
[08:58:54] justinh: I gave up on that one :-D
[08:59:14] mycosys: :S
[08:59:37] justinh: I'm not putting my hand in my pocket when her clutch goes South either
[09:00:43] mycosys: ur in a partnership – does it matter which one does?
[09:00:54] mycosys: tho – maybe suggest an auto next time lol
[09:01:13] justinh: we don't have a joint bank account :D
[09:01:34] justinh: we pool whatever money is needed for bills, then everything left over is our own
[09:02:22] justinh: could be worse. I work with people who just have to hand it over. if they're lucky they get a handout once in a while to do with as they please
[09:02:39] justinh: while mrs colleague goes off & shops for a hobby
[09:03:23] justinh: and oh no.. mrs colleague can't go back to work... oof. When would they find time to spend all of hubby's money? LOL
[09:03:26] justinh: poor souls
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[09:45:09] justinh: ooo. new email asking me to order an SFP cable assy so we can test a new switch we're developing
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[09:59:17] mycosys: http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1688886 lol so many gamer n000bs in the world who know nothing of sound and regurgitate ad nauseum
[10:00:24] justinh: gah people who swap then & than..
[10:01:39] justinh: I dunno, I find that even onboard audio has quite a low noise floor these days. it's come on a long way
[10:02:25] justinh: unless you're trying to use the mic input.. but mic inputs n PC soundcards in the 'non pro' range have *always* sucked
[10:04:16] justinh: oh so that's what SFP is.. fibre optic with transciever embedded on either end. Wow. There I go learnin' stuff again
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[10:05:33] justinh: but £80 for a 1 metre cable? oof
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[10:06:06] ** justinh wonders if we're gonna go down the FC route at long last **
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[10:07:57] justinh: we got rid of SCSI, decided to opt for USB (for external storage.. EEW), completely ignored SAS & Esata.. then eventually adopted Esata, failed at it cos we used a silicon image chipset which didn't properly supoort port multipliers...
[10:09:22] justinh: then tried gigabit networking.. which maxed out ran at about 20Mbits/sec cos of all the CPU overhead.. and now we've 'seen the light' and codecs themselves are on the network, storage is gonna be on the network... miss the CPU out of the equation.. this is a mess
[10:13:32] mycosys: sure sounds like it
[10:14:04] justinh: we'd be better off just doing all the clever stuff in software on a PC platform
[10:14:07] mycosys: who thought they were smart saving $2, and did they det fired for wasting thousands for not listening?
[10:15:07] justinh: they say embedded is better than PC because of component reliability, but we use PC style chipsets (PCI, SATA< USB, LAN etc), PC PSUs, PC HDDs, PC optical... erm...
[10:15:47] justinh: all our competitors are doing the smart stuff in software & chucking CPU cycles at it
[10:15:51] justinh: on linux
[10:16:19] justinh: but we bought a fabless DSP manufacturer so er... HEH
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[12:31:38] aelen_v: How to find out via terminal if backend is currently recording?
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[12:33:46] mycosys: aelen_v: mythtv-status
[12:34:15] justinh: only for > 0.23 though :-)
[12:37:22] xand: look for files being written to your recordings dir :D
[12:38:22] aelen_v: Thanks, I think I'll try mythtv-status.
[12:38:34] mycosys: think there is also a hook in proc for dvb activity
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[12:49:07] justinh: mycosys: I think mythbackend is generally always 'using' DVB tuners unless you've selected 'on-demand' usage in mythtv-setup
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[12:53:59] mianos: I've just built a natty narwall system with the newer dvb_usb_it9135 and nvidia-current 270.41.06
[12:54:16] mianos: any suggestions as to a version of myth
[12:54:34] justinh: the latest, stable version. As always
[12:55:05] mianos: running 2:0.24.0+fixes.20110425
[12:55:10] mianos: stable is .24 in natty
[12:55:29] mianos: or is that not correct?
[12:55:47] justinh: correct as far as packages go
[12:56:09] justinh: if you want newer, either use the mythbuntu repo – if they're not the same thing anyway – or build it yourself :)
[12:56:26] mianos: at the moment they seem to be close
[12:56:33] mianos: obviously
[12:56:42] mianos: maybe I should man up and go a build myself
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[13:32:08] mycosys: it shouldnt be unless you are using eit justinh
[13:32:44] mycosys: given there are several user scripts that use those hooks, am pretty sure on that one
[13:35:10] xand: mythbackend is using some dvb stuff when not recording for me (/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0)
[13:35:30] justinh: and me :-)
[13:36:31] justinh: oh wait. I still use EIT for radio channels
[13:37:42] xand: er. what's EIT
[13:38:13] justinh: EPG data over the air
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[13:42:36] mycosys: hmm – seems the script i saw was using fuser /dev/video0 – dont think that is gonna work with dvb rofl
[13:44:51] mycosys: dunno if fuser /dev/dvb/adaptor[n]/frontend[n] would work
[13:46:59] mycosys: but just about no-one uses em
[13:47:12] mycosys: viruses are rarely written for em
[13:47:35] xand: viruses are rarely written for dvb cards?
[13:47:36] mycosys: oops – wrong tab
[13:47:59] mycosys: rofl
[13:48:16] mycosys: some1 on efnet was asking about smartphone viruses
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[13:53:53] justinh: just about no-one eh. a quickly growing number of just about no-one :-)
[13:54:46] mycosys: what are the issues with the open sauce radeon driver?
[13:55:07] mycosys: some dill wants to use a 9600 pro with myth
[13:55:17] justinh: just the usual, no doubt
[13:55:26] justinh: patchy Xv, sucky gl...
[13:55:41] mycosys: pretty sure is a showstopper
[13:55:47] mycosys: ie – doesnt work at all
[13:56:10] mycosys: jus cant remember whether it is the entire interface or playback
[13:56:24] justinh: gl will fall back to software rendering
[13:56:29] justinh: so it'll be slow as anything
[13:56:36] justinh: if it works at all :)
[13:57:07] justinh: and if there's no Xv for scaling & colour conversion (forget about gl video on ATI I think) – even a very high spec CPU will strain playing SDTV
[13:59:30] mycosys: is a p4 of course
[13:59:47] justinh: no chance without Xv then
[13:59:49] tgm4883: justinh, mythbuntu repo is always newer
[13:59:56] tgm4883: In every possible case
[14:00:25] justinh: tgm4883: I thought mythbuntu provided the packages.. or does that only go as far as doing it the once – i.e. for the distro release?
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[14:01:10] tgm4883: Yes we provide the packages for Ubuntu
[14:01:26] tgm4883: but the packages we provide are also sent to the PPA
[14:02:15] tgm4883: And we don't backport or do SRU's, so Ubuntu only gets the ones from when the Ubuntu release was
[14:02:21] justinh: ah
[14:02:29] justinh: thanks for clarifying that :)
[14:02:29] tgm4883: and the PPA gets a new build whenever there is a new upstream mythtv build
[14:02:40] tgm4883: worst case, they are exactly the same version
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[14:14:51] mycosys: god – some people really will only hear what they want to hear
[14:15:38] justinh: those people have a name
[14:15:41] justinh: *managers*
[14:15:49] mycosys: or n00bs
[14:15:55] mycosys: 2 are interchangable
[14:16:36] justinh: nah. I was a noob once
[14:16:39] justinh: we all were
[14:16:55] justinh: and for us to have got this far we must have listened at some point or other :)
[14:16:56] mycosys: there is a big diff between a newb and a n00b justin
[14:17:09] mycosys: everyone starts out as newbs
[14:17:14] mycosys: n00bs stay n00bs
[14:17:15] justinh: ah. you mean *asshole* :-)
[14:17:26] mycosys: lol
[14:17:36] mycosys: willfully ignorant
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[14:17:45] justinh: same difference, innit? ;-)
[14:18:20] justinh: hey, I bought this plugtop computer and USB video codec thingy. how can I make mythtv work on it?
[14:18:22] mycosys: lolyup
[14:18:46] mycosys: i picked up something from the trash – tell me how to make it work
[14:19:11] mycosys: I just installed Mythbuntu 10.06 (or something) updated to 11.*** and now, I run the setup, but it fails where it should be coming into the graphical setup portion... Anyone help me out?????
[14:20:04] justinh: favourite one ever
[14:20:09] justinh: "HELP, IT NO WORKY!"
[14:20:15] mycosys: that was seriously their opening line
[14:20:35] justinh: heh. I used to leave that sort of thread to rot
[14:20:59] justinh: ready for the OP's 1st 'bump' where I'd surroptitiously delete it
[14:21:15] mycosys: lol – this was on the mythbuntu channel
[14:21:23] mycosys: i think i got a bit tetchy
[14:21:43] justinh: I honestly dunno how the ubuntu guys put up with it all
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[14:22:05] mycosys: normally i am more patient, but the combination of quitting smokes and n00bism got me going
[14:22:32] justinh: mere mortals can only tolerate so much in one sitting
[14:23:30] justinh: any more than that requires the resolve of a certain religious group's door-to-door caller IMHO
[14:24:29] mycosys: after about the 4th time i said the driver wont work with myth, and there is nothing better for that antique comes "Hence why it's pro... Legacy is good shit"" is aware of the ATI Issues with linux, But I have a card that IS supported..."" I know how to install the card, I'm not a brand new user"
[14:25:15] justinh: I'm always suspicious of anything with 'Pro' in its name
[14:25:20] mycosys: i WAS once a baptist – does that count? also went thru a socialist phase
[14:25:30] mycosys: esp if it is 9600pro
[14:25:54] mycosys: (yes – seriously – ati 9600pro)
[14:26:39] justinh: product names designed to sell to 'men' lol
[14:26:54] justinh: 'pro' 'turbo' 'enhancer' etc
[14:27:49] mycosys: oh – forgot the best bit
[14:28:06] mycosys: (11:58:42 PM) mycosys: IT WONT WORK IN WINDOWS VISTA OR 7 EITHER
[14:28:07] mycosys: (11:58:51 PM) mycosys: WHY WOULD IT WORK IN MYTH???
[14:28:07] mycosys: (11:58:57 PM) ShallSee: I'm not trying to setup for Windows 7????
[14:29:54] justinh: heh
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[14:32:12] JEDIDIAH__: advertisers have a tendency to over-use and mis-use terms to the point of completely diluting their meaning.
[14:32:26] justinh: marketers :-)
[14:32:57] JEDIDIAH__: "salesmanship"
[14:35:59] AndyCap: JEDIDIAH__: nooo.
[14:36:26] AndyCap: hypermarket
[14:37:00] mycosys: megamarket
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[14:39:40] wagnerrp: buy & large?
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[14:40:16] mycosys: ohemgeee noooooooo
[14:41:59] JEDIDIAH__: luxury apartment
[14:42:52] mycosys: superlative product
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[15:00:05] wagnerrp: arent all IRC applications textual?
[15:01:59] mycosys: no
[15:02:02] mycosys: dcc
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[15:43:09] skd5aner: I just saw justinh waving a kate and william sign in the crowd – I /knew/ it!
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[16:14:34] sphery: hehe, the name of the "Backend idle before EIT crawl (secs)" setting is EITCrawIdleStart. Something about EIT stomach or an idle stomach, I suppose.
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[16:18:00] wagnerrp: stomach?
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[16:25:38] sphery: wagnerrp: craw
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[16:26:06] sphery: (not crawl)
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[16:30:36] sphery: wonder if smooph is going to need a temp ban
[16:31:12] sphery: seems his 2 clients are fighting for control of the nick
[16:31:23] sphery: smooph: ^^^
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[16:32:25] sphery: smooph1: ^^^
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[16:47:20] StevenR_: Hi. I'm recording on dvb0, but I want to watch something on dvb1 (different MUX from the channel being recorded).... Can't seem to find a way to switch tuners
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[16:48:38] NewBuntu81: Anyone out there have an hp ovu400102/71 ir blaster/receiver, and know what the "1" and "2" connections are on the back? I'd assume one is for the IR blaster. What is the 2nd for?
[16:49:05] StevenR_: Is there a way to make the watch-tv system switch to the other tuner?
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[16:50:34] kormoc: NewBuntu81, likely it supports two blasters
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[16:50:46] NewBuntu81: In Live TV, you can hit menu then switch inputs...or so I believe I saw that option in there.
[16:50:53] NewBuntu81: Thanks kormoc!
[16:51:14] StevenR_: NewBuntu81: thanks :)
[16:51:39] NewBuntu81: StevenR_: menu is M on the keyboard (when in doubt)
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[16:52:15] StevenR_: NewBuntu81: yeah, I found it thanks :)
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[16:52:49] NewBuntu81: StevenR_: Although I've noticed that if it's recording something, and I want to watch something else (using the second tuner), it just goes to that channel. However, if both tuners are busy, it tells me what each tuner is recording and says I can watch either of those, or cancel and not watch anything live.
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[16:54:43] sphery: StevenR_: there's also a key shortcut (C)
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[17:09:19] wagnerrp: NewBuntu81: both of those ports are transmitters, and you can flip between them using 'set_transmitter'
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[17:09:32] wagnerrp: 'irsend set_transmitter' rather
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[17:40:16] skd5aner: !seen stuartm
[17:40:16] MythLogBot: stuartm was last seen 21 days 18 hours 47 minutes 25 seconds ago
[17:40:20] skd5aner: !seen gbee
[17:40:20] MythLogBot: gbee was last seen 189 days 23 hours 30 minutes 50 seconds ago
[17:40:50] skd5aner: !seen RDV_linux
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[17:41:29] skd5aner: blah
[17:41:39] Beirdo: that's what email is for ;)
[17:42:12] NewBuntu81: thanks wagnerrp
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[17:56:37] wagnerrp: Beirdo: would we have access to pull requests like we do commits?
[17:57:03] wagnerrp: in other words... could we implement a hook to spawn new trac patch tickets on pull requests?
[17:57:11] Beirdo: Ooooh
[17:57:14] Beirdo: not that I know of
[17:57:27] Beirdo: I guess one of us could make one on our incoming email
[17:57:45] Beirdo: but I'm not aware of any builtin hook for that
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[20:43:28] pladijs: Trying to get mythwelcome to shutdown my system, but the counter does not appear. The word "idle" does not appear in any of the logs. I have tried lots of stuff for hours now. Where can i find the most recent howto or hints to get this working? There seems to be lots of different versions around. Using mythbuntu 10.10.
[20:44:08] [R]: mythwelcome doesnt shut it down
[20:44:10] [R]: mythbackend does
[20:44:33] [R]: the guide on the wiki works
[20:46:23] pladijs: ok, i've tried lots of different versions, i guess i can do one more attempt. i do see some others had this problem, like one person on http://knoppmyth.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=1 . . . 2dad97c747a8 who reports the counter only appeared after some (long time). let me try once more from scratch, but by now i may have messed around so much this won't work
[20:47:16] [R]: get it working byitself
[20:47:20] [R]: then worry about mythwelcome
[20:47:26] pladijs: just to be sure, could you give me a direct link.
[20:49:03] [R]: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ACPI_Wakeup
[20:49:08] [R]: tahts got the insturctinos for making it shutdown on idle
[20:49:49] pladijs: thanks a lot, i tried (bits) of this at some point.
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[21:01:10] pladijs: I really don't get it. leaving aside the waking up bit, the settings to get the backend to shutdown on idle are really simple, right? But when i follow the wiki, i don't even see "I'm idle now... shutdown will occur in XXX seconds." in the log
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[21:05:48] [R]: then its not idle
[21:05:57] [R]: or the checkbox about the frontend needing to connect is in the wrong state
[21:06:12] [R]: if you start the backend, and nothing connects to it, and you dont have EIT, it will be idle
[21:08:17] pladijs: i quadrupple-checked that box... EIT: i did not install a receiver card yet on this machine, frontend: ps aux | grep front does not show anything, or how could i be really sure
[21:09:00] pladijs: ... if it is idle, does it always show that message in the logs? even abstracting from the setting relating to "shutdown on idle"?
[21:10:16] pladijs: how do i increase the verbosity of the logs?
[21:13:12] pladijs: could i somehow have enabled EIT without knowing?
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[21:52:33] pladijs: mythshutdown --check returns 0 (idle BE)
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[22:06:47] ** Beirdo slaps KVIrc. We don't need all those useless details, thanks. **
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[22:19:09] wagnerrp: i wonder what the 5507 means
[22:21:06] wagnerrp: !seen EnterTheThird
[22:21:06] MythLogBot: EnterTheThird has not been seen here
[22:21:11] wagnerrp: !seen EnderTheThird
[22:21:11] MythLogBot: EnderTheThird was last seen 21 days 16 hours 21 minutes 28 seconds ago
[22:22:01] wagnerrp: "im using a buggy developmental version of mythtv from over a year ago, and its broken, someone fix it"
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[22:32:50] kormoc: wagnerrp, it's the revision number duplicated
[22:33:18] wagnerrp: hmm... so it is
[22:33:32] wagnerrp: when i first read that next to the date, i originally thought someone had screwed up their clock
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[22:58:48] Beirdo: hhe
[22:58:55] Beirdo: good catch, wagnerrp
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[22:59:20] Beirdo: I'm quite sure we've rewritten that part of the code numerous times since then
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[23:03:17] wagnerrp: its only what... about 5k revisions since then?
[23:03:28] Beirdo: at least :)
[23:03:41] wagnerrp: it was 3k since the move to git
[23:03:46] wagnerrp: and i think were about 2k past that now
[23:04:06] Beirdo: sounds in the right ball park.
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[23:05:28] Beirdo: yeah, on the new-logging branch, I'm 1887 past the branch of 0.25pre
[23:05:42] Beirdo: Ah man, I have to re-rip this LP
[23:05:56] Beirdo: U2 should not have muddy, swishy bass lines
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[23:50:59] mianos: is that patch to make a permanent audio sync offset somewhere in .24?
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[23:58:19] wagnerrp: i was not aware such a patch ever made it past the discussion stage
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