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| [00:27:37] | flynmoose: | tried this last night with no response, so I'll give it another shot. I upgraded from 0.23 to 0.24 and am using HDHR3 (HDHomeRun). All worked well under 0.23 but on 0.24 I get a crazy amount of errors in my log file (see next). Every 0.5 seconds this is written to the logs. I can tune all channels in the front end but this logging is thrashing my hard drive something aweful. |
| [00:27:48] | flynmoose: | 2011-04–25 22:11:17.251 Could not find channel 5_1 in TVCT |
| [00:27:50] | flynmoose: | 2011-04–25 22:11:17.285 |
| [00:27:52] | flynmoose: | VCT Terra: channels(1) tsid(0xc71) seclength(62) |
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| [00:27:54] | flynmoose: | Channel #0 name(WLUK HD) 11–1 mod(ATSC 8-VSB) cTSID(0xc71) |
| [00:27:56] | flynmoose: | pnum(1) ETM_loc(1) access_ctrl(0) hidden(0) hide_guide(1) service_type(ATSC TV) source_id(1) |
| [00:27:58] | flynmoose: | descriptors length(17) count(1) Service Location Descriptor (0xa1) length(15) |
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| [00:39:21] | Beirdo: | what verbose level do you have on? |
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| [01:38:32] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: those show up on the default important,general |
| [01:39:02] | Beirdo: | ahh, K |
| [01:39:14] | Beirdo: | wasn't sure |
| [01:39:44] | ** Beirdo is stuck at work until two long-winded people hang up their phone calls so I can bounce the asterisk server they are on ** | |
| [01:39:46] | wagnerrp: | ive seen them before, not sure what causes it |
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| [01:40:11] | wagnerrp: | like the broadcaster temporarily changes their IDs, or drops their channel names |
| [01:40:30] | wagnerrp: | causes one single recording to fail |
| [01:40:39] | Beirdo: | weird |
| [01:40:42] | wagnerrp: | but when i go to check and see what the problem is, the channel works fine |
| [01:40:52] | Beirdo: | heisenbugs. |
| [01:41:01] | Beirdo: | heh, I hate those |
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| [01:48:55] | flynmoose: | OK – but I have logging completely off and it keeps coming. Can't leave it running like that unless I move my log directory to memory – it will destroy my drive at this rate |
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| [01:49:26] | flynmoose: | is this something worthy of a bug report? |
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| [01:51:16] | wagnerrp: | flynmoose: youve gotten this more than once? |
| [01:51:41] | wagnerrp: | the best i could tell, its like the broadcaster flips a switch that mythtv is not designed to handle |
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| [01:51:54] | wagnerrp: | now whether that 'switch' is compliant to the standards, i dont know |
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| [01:52:19] | flynmoose: | constantly. I've had to shut down the back end service. It starts up about 30 seconds after I start the backend and goes as long as I have it on. |
| [01:52:42] | flynmoose: | I think my only option is to downgrade to 0.23 if I can't run this down. |
| [01:52:44] | wagnerrp: | that error should only occur when recording, and then only when recording on that channel |
| [01:52:52] | wagnerrp: | which sounds like you have EIT running, which you should not |
| [01:53:05] | wagnerrp: | and if the error ALWAYS occurs, then try rescanning your channels |
| [01:53:25] | wagnerrp: | the error i was referring to that resulted in those logs was intermittent |
| [01:53:28] | iamlindoro: | a) It won't destroy your drive, these aren't tinker toys |
| [01:53:33] | flynmoose: | hmmm – I didn't THINK that I had EIT running but I'll re-check. I've rescanned the channels at least a dozen times |
| [01:53:33] | iamlindoro: | b) those are logs of EIT being scanned |
| [01:54:23] | iamlindoro: | Your drive was meant to be used-- writing that amount of log to disk represents an activity it could do for centuries without having an affect on your drive |
| [01:54:57] | NightMonkey: | Hi. This is perhaps an odd question, but does something like a "planet.mythtv.org" exist? |
| [01:55:39] | wagnerrp: | NightMonkey: what purpose would a 'planet.mythtv.org' serve? |
| [01:55:56] | [R]: | wagnerrp: to hear all the devs thoughts on life |
| [01:56:09] | NightMonkey: | wagnerrp: Same as planet.debian.org, or planet.gentoo.org. Blogs by mythtv devs, all in one place. :) |
| [01:56:11] | Beirdo: | hahah |
| [01:56:17] | Beirdo: | like we'd blog much |
| [01:56:28] | [R]: | i know it would ber thrilling to hear what wagnerrp ate for breakfast or what beer Beirdo was drinking |
| [01:56:32] | wagnerrp: | why blog when weve got an irc channel to complain to? |
| [01:56:48] | flynmoose: | @iamlindoro – i was more worried about the seeks than the writes – but it makes a horrible racket... :) |
| [01:56:51] | Beirdo: | I'll be drinking Elliot Bay Demolition Ale... once I get home :) |
| [01:56:54] | NightMonkey: | I wasn't arguing for it. Just asking. |
| [01:57:07] | wagnerrp: | ill be drinking... barqs |
| [01:57:10] | [R]: | rofl |
| [01:57:11] | iamlindoro: | flynmoose, Your drive is made to seek data too |
| [01:57:20] | Beirdo: | and... it seems... doing some log reading for work. |
| [01:57:26] | iamlindoro: | It can withstand literally decades of log reading and writing |
| [01:57:52] | wagnerrp: | well i dont know about that, i dont know of any hard drive i would trust much past five years |
| [01:57:56] | [R]: | so this guy at my work got pissed at me because i dont check my work email on the weekends... am i in the wrong here or is he? |
| [01:57:56] | flynmoose: | well – EIT was turned on – don't know how I did that... |
| [01:58:21] | wagnerrp: | actually, i dont know what hard drive i would trust much past five minutes, but thats what RAID is for |
| [01:58:36] | NightMonkey: | [R]: He's wrong. Unless you explicitly gave away the right to weekends. |
| [01:59:01] | [R]: | see, thats what i said |
| [01:59:03] | wagnerrp: | are you expected to be 'on call'?> |
| [01:59:06] | [R]: | no |
| [01:59:10] | [R]: | hes just the loser that works weekends |
| [01:59:15] | [R]: | mostly because hes a contractor and get $$$ |
| [01:59:24] | wagnerrp: | then when youre off, youre off |
| [01:59:38] | NightMonkey: | [R]: His problem, not yours. Although he could make trouble for you in the eyes of management if he seems "more productive". |
| [02:00:19] | [R]: | lol, that ain't gonna happen |
| [02:00:25] | wagnerrp: | if he wants to work odd hours or weekends and needs support, then your company needs someone on call during those hours |
| [02:00:29] | NightMonkey: | [R]: I'm a contractor. I'd expect SERIOUS slaps from my customer if I *complained* about an employee of theirs. |
| [02:00:40] | [R]: | haha |
| [02:00:51] | [R]: | you should teach him some manners |
| [02:02:32] | NightMonkey: | [R]: (Unless the complaint was something along the lines of, "Yeah, Fred keeps poking me with a taser.") |
| [02:02:51] | [R]: | haha |
| [02:03:06] | [R]: | and he leaves at like 3pm |
| [02:03:10] | [R]: | really pisses me off |
| [02:04:44] | iamlindoro: | I leave at 3 PM every day :) |
| [02:04:51] | iamlindoro: | Then again, I go in at 6 AM |
| [02:04:59] | flynmoose: | @wagnerrp – thanks! That solved it. nice and quiet. |
| [02:05:04] | NightMonkey: | What's a "6 AM"? |
| [02:05:23] | iamlindoro: | It's the hour two hours after I wake up and get to the pool :) |
| [02:05:24] | wagnerrp: | a time of day? |
| [02:05:40] | NightMonkey: | Wow. |
| [02:05:47] | wagnerrp: | WTF? 4AM? crazy bastard |
| [02:05:55] | [R]: | he claims he gets up at 2 |
| [02:06:22] | wagnerrp: | two hours after 6AM is 4AM |
| [02:06:36] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Gotta get creative with 2–3 workouts a day... and I'll admit I like to go home and be lazy after work |
| [02:06:52] | NightMonkey: | iamlindoro: Wow, you're one of those "Type A" personalities I hear about that are so much better than my "Type Z" personality. |
| [02:07:10] | iamlindoro: | Not type A, just a busy morning person |
| [02:07:10] | wagnerrp: | im the exact opposite |
| [02:07:21] | iamlindoro: | I'm appropriately lazy at night :) |
| [02:07:25] | wagnerrp: | ill work hard into all hours of the night, but im terrible in the morning |
| [02:07:43] | NightMonkey: | iamlindoro: I'm not saying it's a bad way to be. :) |
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| [02:35:10] | jya: | jpabq: hum... I can't start recording playback from the trunk mythfrontend again my 0.24 backend. |
| [02:35:18] | jya: | going to make things more difficult to debug |
| [02:38:50] | wagnerrp: | there have been protocol and schema differences for months |
| [02:39:38] | jya: | wagnerrp: sure, but for most of my usage it used to work fine before. mythvideo and SG still work |
| [02:44:14] | jpabq: | jya, understood. |
| [02:44:36] | jya: | actually, I believe the problem is also on my 0.24 backport branch, can probably debug there |
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| [03:15:05] | Beirdo: | hahah |
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| [03:15:37] | Beirdo: | join T-Mobile's "Totally Unlimited Plan"... small letters... comes with 2GB of data per month |
| [03:15:52] | trumee: | guys, my motherboard Asus M3N78 is broken :(. Is there any other recommended motherboard with onboard hdmi? |
| [03:16:32] | trumee: | it is difficult to find a nvidia geforce board here, but amd boards are more available. are they any good? |
| [03:17:10] | [R]: | Beirdo: its totally unlimited... you can do whatever you want with the 2gb... |
| [03:17:15] | ** trumee feels like an idiot after he broke the board rocking it to clean off the dust ** | |
| [03:17:29] | wagnerrp: | rocking it? |
| [03:17:54] | trumee: | wagnerrp: yes, you remember we had the discussion about my system reaching high temperature |
| [03:18:04] | trumee: | wagnerrp: it turned out that it had collected lots of dust |
| [03:18:15] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what it means to 'rock a board' |
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| [03:18:24] | trumee: | wagnerrp: so i took out the board and gently hit on its back, to loosen the dust |
| [03:18:40] | trumee: | wagnerrp: and then used a painting brush to clean off the dust |
| [03:18:47] | wagnerrp: | why not take a can of compressed air? |
| [03:18:48] | trumee: | wagnerrp: now it doesnt boot anymore :( |
| [03:18:50] | Beirdo: | compressed gas... |
| [03:18:54] | wagnerrp: | or a vacuum on reverse |
| [03:18:59] | trumee: | wagnerrp: because it wasnt available here |
| [03:19:08] | wagnerrp: | and the vacuum? |
| [03:19:23] | trumee: | wagnerrp: didnt have a vaccum cleaner |
| [03:19:28] | wagnerrp: | take it outside, and change it from suck to blow |
| [03:19:31] | Beirdo: | how can compressed air not be available? |
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| [03:19:59] | trumee: | Beirdo: it wasn available in my city |
| [03:20:12] | Beirdo: | interesting |
| [03:20:19] | trumee: | anyways is there any other motherboard which i can hunt for |
| [03:20:28] | Beirdo: | likely so |
| [03:20:37] | trumee: | Beirdo: what chipset should i aimk for? |
| [03:20:48] | Beirdo: | I have to go searching every time. It all depends on what you want |
| [03:21:03] | trumee: | Beirdo: cant find another M3N78 here |
| [03:21:19] | Beirdo: | then find out what you CAN get, and research them |
| [03:21:22] | trumee: | Beirdo: i need something which is AM3 and is hdmi |
| [03:21:43] | Beirdo: | heh, I don't do AMD anymore |
| [03:21:56] | trumee: | Beirdo: what i am not sure is the chipset. I only have experience with nvidia 8200/8300 |
| [03:23:14] | Beirdo: | last boards I bought were for Intel chips, I won't be much help with AMD |
| [03:23:38] | trumee: | Beirdo: any idea about ATI, can they do vdpau? |
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| [03:23:55] | Beirdo: | no they can't |
| [03:24:06] | Beirdo: | vdpau is nvidia only |
| [03:24:25] | trumee: | Beirdo: there is nothing in ATI which myth can make use of? |
| [03:24:34] | Beirdo: | doubt it |
| [03:24:44] | Beirdo: | their drivers suck last I heard |
| [03:24:56] | trumee: | guess, i am limited to geforce 8200/8300 chipsets then |
| [03:25:05] | Beirdo: | or PCIE cards |
| [03:25:23] | Beirdo: | nobody says you need to use onboard video |
| [03:25:25] | trumee: | Beirdo: yes, that is a possibilty, do PCIE cards with hdmi? |
| [03:25:33] | Beirdo: | ummm, yeah |
| [03:25:44] | trumee: | Beirdo: less power usage i suppose with onboard guess is useful |
| [03:25:45] | Beirdo: | most of the modern ones I've seen |
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| [03:26:15] | trumee: | Beirdo: plus i will have to buy a PCIE card as well, which is an additional cost |
| [03:27:41] | mycoDA: | $30 |
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| [05:22:14] | wagnerrp: | forgot that extra space in there... |
| [05:23:01] | flynmoose: | yeah – sorry. |
| [05:23:34] | wagnerrp: | nothing to apologize about |
| [05:24:29] | flynmoose: | new to IRC – trying to figure out how to register a nick with freenode so I don't get nagged every time I connect. I realize this is totally off topic from the myth users support. |
| [05:24:47] | wagnerrp: | /msg nickserv help |
| [05:25:24] | wagnerrp: | you want the 'register' command |
| [05:25:32] | wagnerrp: | and youll need a valid email address |
| [05:25:32] | mycoDA: | http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup |
| [05:25:51] | flynmoose: | must be something borked with my client – it rejects that command. |
| [05:25:59] | mycoDA: | can ask on #freenode for a masked ident like mine too so people caqnt see ur IP |
| [05:26:18] | mycoDA: | what client? |
| [05:26:24] | flynmoose: | empathy |
| [05:26:52] | wagnerrp: | all you have to do is ask? it took us like 6 months to get our masks |
| [05:27:23] | mycoDA: | uhuh, all u have to do is ask |
| [05:27:27] | mycoDA: | nicely |
| [05:27:34] | kormoc: | no, you can ask to get a anonymous mask |
| [05:27:40] | mycoDA: | for an unafilliated mask anyway |
| [05:27:42] | kormoc: | to get a project mask, you have to get verified by phone/etc |
| [05:27:50] | kormoc: | (the project at least) |
| [05:28:00] | wagnerrp: | yeah... took them a couple months for them to call stua rta |
| [05:28:16] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: would an empty field in the database still consume memory? |
| [05:28:21] | wagnerrp: | like an empty int or datetime |
| [05:28:31] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, empty being null? |
| [05:28:36] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [05:28:49] | kormoc: | yes, it consumes one byte |
| [05:29:14] | wagnerrp: | im starting into the schema changes for the jobqueue |
| [05:29:35] | wagnerrp: | and i want to start a permanent record of jobs, similar to oldrecorded |
| [05:29:50] | wagnerrp: | but i would prefer they just stay in jobqueue, rather than having a separate limited table |
| [05:30:26] | wagnerrp: | although i would imagine anything i store in there would be inconsequential compared to the seektable |
| [05:30:47] | kormoc: | ooh, on disk? A null varchar would be 1 byte, a null date time would be 9 bytes |
| [05:32:17] | wagnerrp: | is oldrecorded just there as some sort of database optimization, rather than keeping everything in recorded? |
| [05:33:20] | kormoc: | maybe. The smaller the hot index is, the better it performs. That said, I'd wager it was for easier management |
| [05:34:10] | wagnerrp: | basically, i want to keep a permanent record of hostname, start, and stop times |
| [05:34:22] | wagnerrp: | so at some point, i could use it for predicting job duration |
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| [05:36:08] | kormoc: | I think doing a second table with hostname, duration would be better then one with hostname, start, stop and have to calculate each row |
| [05:36:49] | wagnerrp: | or just have it as another column in one table |
| [05:36:54] | kormoc: | or that, aye |
| [05:40:50] | wagnerrp: | i had a new block in dbcheck mostly written up months ago, but it seems to have been lost to somewhere |
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| [05:44:54] | wagnerrp: | looks like im starting from scratch then |
| [05:46:01] | kormoc: | whoops |
| [05:46:44] | wagnerrp: | 1226 is the stock? i thought sph ery did a rollup recently |
| [05:46:56] | kormoc: | I couldn't say currently |
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| [05:56:17] | Beirdo: | 4 more minutes and I can bounce my backend |
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| [06:03:14] | wagnerrp: | youre dipping it in rubber? |
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| [06:07:03] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: opt/mythtv/new-logging/bin/mythcommflag -j 2949 -V 1207959555 |
| [06:07:09] | Beirdo: | no workee anymore ;) |
| [06:07:25] | Beirdo: | it's whining about -V |
| [06:08:01] | Beirdo: | I'm sure that has been modified in yer jobqueue thread though |
| [06:08:17] | Beirdo: | actaully, one second |
| [06:08:36] | wagnerrp: | -V should be handled by the new commandline parser |
| [06:08:51] | wagnerrp: | but it may not be properly used by the changes in mythcommflag |
| [06:09:11] | wagnerrp: | as far as i could tell, it was just saving the value to some global variable |
| [06:09:13] | Beirdo: | it says unhandled |
| [06:09:39] | Beirdo: | but no prob |
| [06:09:47] | Beirdo: | something for me to work out |
| [06:10:18] | wagnerrp: | -v and -V should both be handled by any program defining verbose usage |
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| [06:10:39] | Beirdo: | but I think it was for something else back then |
| [06:10:49] | wagnerrp: | mythcommandlineparser.cpp:768 |
| [06:11:22] | wagnerrp: | and mythcommflag/main.cpp:1070 |
| [06:12:56] | Beirdo: | oh. it WAS the verboseint |
| [06:16:32] | Beirdo: | hmm |
| [06:16:56] | Beirdo: | I can't do the --file blah to mythcommflag anymore? |
| [06:17:47] | Beirdo: | can only use --job |
| [06:18:00] | Beirdo: | well, that's not too great for restarting commflag runs :) |
| [06:18:13] | Beirdo: | we'll get there, I'm sure |
| [06:18:42] | wagnerrp: | seems i merged --file in with --video |
| [06:18:48] | wagnerrp: | --video now takes a filename |
| [06:19:14] | wagnerrp: | and you can still do --chanid/--starttime manually, it doesnt have to be triggered through the jobqueue |
| [06:20:14] | Beirdo: | ahhhh, I see. |
| [06:20:27] | Beirdo: | I think the commflag one got kinda borked |
| [06:20:39] | Beirdo: | let's see :) |
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| [06:30:34] | Beirdo: | yeah, it was missing some stuff |
| [06:30:46] | Beirdo: | like addVerbose() and addRecording() :) |
| [06:30:56] | Beirdo: | minor issues :) |
| [06:31:45] | wagnerrp: | so it is... whoops! |
| [06:33:45] | wagnerrp: | well '--help' will list those that are defined, in case im missing more |
| [06:33:55] | wagnerrp: | unless of course they are masked options |
| [06:34:42] | Beirdo: | yeah, and some have no help :) |
| [06:34:48] | wagnerrp: | but as a debugging mode, if you define the VERBOSE_PARSER environmental variable, it will print each argument as its being added |
| [06:34:48] | Beirdo: | like --file ;) |
| [06:34:52] | Beirdo: | which is there |
| [06:34:54] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [06:35:09] | Beirdo: | handy feature |
| [06:35:10] | wagnerrp: | sure it does |
| [06:35:20] | wagnerrp: | 'mythcommflag --help file' |
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| [06:36:09] | Beirdo: | oh NOW it wants to work |
| [06:36:11] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:36:27] | wagnerrp: | no short help means its a masked option, and wont show up in the generic list |
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| [06:36:44] | Beirdo: | gotcha |
| [06:37:09] | Beirdo: | it wasn't showing as the type was missing |
| [06:37:17] | Beirdo: | so it showed up as a bool :) |
| [06:37:48] | wagnerrp: | oh.... yeah |
| [06:37:59] | wagnerrp: | seems i forgot to fix that one when i added the short/long help |
| [06:38:02] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:38:10] | Beirdo: | no problem, I think I got it |
| [06:38:15] | wagnerrp: | add the "" to the last argument |
| [06:38:19] | wagnerrp: | not as a type |
| [06:38:26] | wagnerrp: | the blank short help is supposed to be the type |
| [06:38:29] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [06:38:53] | wagnerrp: | the folly of excessive overloading |
| [06:39:21] | Beirdo: | yeah, it's all in all working pretty well |
| [06:39:27] | Beirdo: | just needs a few tweaks |
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| [06:43:38] | Beirdo: | oh jeez |
| [06:43:47] | Beirdo: | my commflags have failed all week |
| [06:43:48] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:43:59] | Beirdo: | they run to the end then crap, but I think I fixed it |
| [06:45:08] | Beirdo: | and I found a pile of other threads I hadn't registered yet |
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| [06:46:08] | Beirdo: | as the logging (to the debug log file on disk) shows the thread its running in |
| [06:46:24] | Beirdo: | but to get the name, each thread has to register itself |
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| [06:48:59] | wagnerrp: | fancy |
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| [06:49:26] | Beirdo: | and I STILL missed one |
| [06:49:41] | Beirdo: | 2011-Apr-26 23:49:08.996246 [11040] thread_unknown system-unix.cpp:294 (run) – Managed child (PID: 8813) has exited! command=/home/gjhurlbu/bin/misc_status_info.sh, status=0, result=0 |
| [06:49:41] | MythLogBot: | SVN 11040: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/7b497144 |
| [06:50:02] | Beirdo: | thread_unknown my butt |
| [06:51:46] | wagnerrp: | you stick unknown threads in your butt? |
| [06:51:51] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [07:03:46] | ** wagnerrp wonders if Beirdo is going to take control of the jobqueue branch after he is done writing it, and make it actually work ** | |
| [07:03:55] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [07:04:07] | Beirdo: | if that's what ya want... |
| [07:05:20] | Beirdo: | hah, just needed to distclean |
| [07:05:37] | Beirdo: | thought it was looking weird |
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| [07:06:06] | Beirdo: | and I like how you did the env var for debugging |
| [07:07:58] | wagnerrp: | the verbosity only handles the argument loading currently |
| [07:08:05] | Beirdo: | true |
| [07:08:10] | wagnerrp: | feel free to add more to the parser |
| [07:08:31] | Beirdo: | but I want that in the logging to control the thread registration/deregistration spew |
| [07:08:55] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [07:09:09] | wagnerrp: | want what? |
| [07:09:10] | Beirdo: | then you register a thread or deregister, it will log it |
| [07:09:29] | Beirdo: | but that spews hard, so I want to shut just that off. |
| [07:09:43] | Beirdo: | and be able to turn it on for debugging via an env var |
| [07:10:30] | wagnerrp: | ah, i just figured i couldnt very well use a command line option to turn on debugging for the command line parser |
| [07:10:35] | wagnerrp: | what other option was there |
| [07:10:38] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [07:10:56] | Beirdo: | I like it for the cases where it'll be off 99.99% of the time |
| [07:11:05] | Beirdo: | and only wanted by a few devs to debug |
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| [07:17:22] | wagnerrp: | is the commflagger and transcoder the only things to use -V? |
| [07:17:38] | Beirdo: | that I've seen |
| [07:17:53] | wagnerrp: | why dont they just use the verbose string? |
| [07:17:54] | Beirdo: | it's used by the jobqueue to indicate the verbosity |
| [07:18:01] | Beirdo: | dunno :) |
| [07:18:07] | wagnerrp: | considering the jobqueue is capable of generating that as well |
| [07:18:25] | wagnerrp: | just seems like unnecessary extra code for a minor optimization |
| [07:19:58] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [07:20:10] | Beirdo: | or for a shorter command line, not that we care that much |
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| [07:21:46] | wagnerrp: | this is going to be a PITA converting the old settings table entries to the new jobqueue tables |
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| [07:23:38] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [07:23:47] | Beirdo: | no pain, no gain... or whatever |
| [07:24:23] | wagnerrp: | well theres no gain for me, id rather just redefine my user jobs with all the fancy new structures |
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| [07:27:26] | wagnerrp: | being able to chain together 20 jobs should be enough for anyone, right? |
| [07:28:29] | mycoDA: | thats what they said about 620k |
| [07:28:35] | mycoDA: | *640k |
| [07:28:52] | wagnerrp: | apocrypha |
| [07:29:12] | Beirdo: | why would you need to chain even 20? |
| [07:29:29] | Beirdo: | I'm sure someone will find a use, but yeah, I think that would keep us for a bit |
| [07:30:25] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: well im just going to repurpose the path column as a string of comma separated integers |
| [07:30:42] | wagnerrp: | worst case, since they could be 10 digits, would be 22 or so different command ids |
| [07:31:13] | wagnerrp: | mycoDA: the quote is taken out of context |
| [07:31:29] | Beirdo: | yeah, that should keep us for the forseen future |
| [07:31:42] | wagnerrp: | that in the early 80s, when the 640k value was chosen (increased from 64k), they expected it to take longer than it did before that was insufficient |
| [07:31:50] | justinh: | hmm but what about the unforseen future? i.e. no account for user stupidity etc ;-) |
| [07:32:20] | wagnerrp: | im thinking a user would chain together a commflag and a transcode, and maybe one or two other user jobs |
| [07:32:37] | justinh: | "but I NEED to do 25 pass encoding. Some guy on the mkv forum says so" |
| [07:32:54] | Beirdo: | yeah, then they can do that with an external job script :) |
| [07:32:59] | wagnerrp: | im getting rid of the 'transcode runs before commflag' stuff |
| [07:33:07] | wagnerrp: | making it rely on chains instead |
| [07:33:13] | Beirdo: | yay |
| [07:33:27] | justinh: | being able to run anything in any order is betterer. erererer |
| [07:33:35] | wagnerrp: | if users want control over what sequence things run in, they need to make a chain, and have that chain run instead |
| [07:35:18] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [07:37:02] | wagnerrp: | temporary tables are automatically dropped at the end of the session, right? |
| [07:37:10] | Beirdo: | AFAIK |
| [07:38:39] | Beirdo: | so I guess tomorrow, I'll try to rework sphery's logpath patch into the new parser |
| [07:39:14] | Beirdo: | that way we can say "put the logs in this dir" and it will create logfiles based on application name |
| [07:39:26] | Beirdo: | (and pid, and if ya want, jobid too) |
| [07:41:26] | Beirdo: | but not tonight :) |
| [07:44:29] | wagnerrp: | what would be a good default for an idle termination? |
| [07:45:24] | wagnerrp: | i.e. long running jobs must update their status at least every <time unit>, or else they are presumed deadlocked and subsequently terminated |
| [07:45:31] | wagnerrp: | im thinking 2 hours |
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| [07:46:25] | wagnerrp: | i think [R] requested that one a while back |
| [07:46:42] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: that would be to handle those deadlocked commflags you mentioned you were suffering a while back |
| [07:48:03] | Beirdo: | yeah, no update in 2h (or even less). |
| [07:48:20] | Beirdo: | 30min should be more than enough to update 1%, one would think |
| [07:48:39] | wagnerrp: | not even that |
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| [07:48:45] | Beirdo: | or at least to have done some frames |
| [07:48:53] | wagnerrp: | it updates a predicted remaining time |
| [07:48:59] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [07:49:05] | wagnerrp: | which updates independently of percent done |
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| [07:49:27] | Beirdo: | well, shouldn't be completely independent |
| [07:49:40] | Beirdo: | it would use the same base progress somewhere :) |
| [07:49:44] | Beirdo: | but yeah. |
| [07:49:55] | wagnerrp: | im also going to have a cpumax, to specify allotted wall time |
| [07:49:56] | Beirdo: | if it's stalled for 30min, I'd be happy to see it die |
| [07:49:59] | wagnerrp: | but that will be disabled by default |
| [07:50:48] | Beirdo: | good ;) |
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| [07:53:52] | Beirdo: | 2011-Apr-27 00:52:28.880917 Managed child (PID: 5465) has exited! command=/opt/mythtv/new-logging/bin/mythcommflag -j 2949 -V 1207959555, status=1280, result=5 |
| [07:53:58] | Beirdo: | yay! |
| [07:54:24] | wagnerrp: | boo! |
| [07:54:36] | wagnerrp: | result=5? what kind of garbage is that |
| [07:54:54] | Beirdo: | it will do just fine for now... until you fix it :) |
| [07:55:03] | wagnerrp: | yeah, already fixed |
| [07:56:23] | Beirdo: | the number of commercials only really needs to be in the db and the logs |
| [07:56:38] | Beirdo: | and success/fail on the exit code |
| [07:57:24] | wagnerrp: | yes, already fixed |
| [07:57:30] | Beirdo: | good man |
| [07:57:50] | wagnerrp: | actually, i had to do it whether i wanted to or not |
| [07:57:56] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [07:58:01] | Beirdo: | not too surprising |
| [07:58:05] | wagnerrp: | since im removing all special handling for the commflagger |
| [07:58:15] | wagnerrp: | anything !=0 indicates a failed job |
| [07:58:20] | Beirdo: | cool |
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| [08:00:15] | Beirdo: | oh yeah... the other thing I still need to do... |
| [08:00:19] | Beirdo: | database logging redo |
| [08:00:27] | Beirdo: | we ripped out the current stuff |
| [08:00:42] | Beirdo: | and if we want to log to the db, it will be done via VERBOSE |
| [08:00:49] | Beirdo: | as yet another output |
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| [08:32:12] | Beirdo: | wanna see something scary? |
| [08:32:32] | Beirdo: | git grep threadRegister | wc -l |
| [08:32:32] | Beirdo: | 93 |
| [08:32:51] | Beirdo: | so 2 of those are the definition and implementation |
| [08:33:08] | Beirdo: | that means we have roughly 90 different threads |
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| [13:56:54] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: i only see 67, plus another 13 in the plugins |
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| [13:57:13] | wesw02: | I'm having a some trouble getting one of my recording to work. The recording is set to "Record this program in this timeslot every day." there are new episodes in my tv listings however this recording shows as Deactivated. Is it possible to determine why the recording is being deactivated? |
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| [13:57:30] | wesw02: | This has happened with several of my programs, it seems like they get "deactivated" about a week before |
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| [15:07:29] | sphery: | wesw02: "Deactivated" means the recording rule is set to inactive (which can be changed in the recording rule editor in mythfrontend or mythweb) |
| [15:07:36] | sphery: | "for the archives" |
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| [15:41:10] | wagnerrp: | sphery: do you think there would be any problem with me just outright dropping any existing jobs in the database with the schema changes |
| [15:41:17] | wagnerrp: | rather than attempting to translate them over |
| [15:42:09] | mycoDA: | do you guys have any opinion on HID remotes? |
| [15:42:24] | mycoDA: | combined mouse/kb with media keys? |
| [15:43:14] | wagnerrp: | avoid? |
| [15:43:48] | mycoDA: | any particular reason? i have two and they have worked well |
| [15:44:00] | wagnerrp: | IMHO, it just seems easier to futz with lirc than the key bindings |
| [15:44:33] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: ping? |
| [15:44:37] | mycoDA: | so really either is an equally valid choice if you dont need a blaster |
| [15:45:04] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [15:45:30] | mycoDA: | lirc prolly has the egde for pure myth/media – the hid if you do other things, or want to use it for the gui ? |
| [15:45:57] | wagnerrp: | it just seems that with HID remotes, you would have a higher likelihood of keys either not working, or being intercepted by some other application for some task you dont want |
| [15:46:06] | wagnerrp: | while lirc, you have more direct control over what it does |
| [15:50:38] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, seems like converting over would be just a few SQL statements, I'd rather do that than have users complaining of shows not being flagged/transcoded/whatever for 3–6 months after as they slow upgrade to the new version. |
| [15:51:22] | Captain_Murdoch: | are you planning on working on the job queue editor in HTML setup or do you want some help with that and the supporting web services? |
| [15:51:24] | sphery: | wagnerrp: you mean when doing the DB upgrade that changes the jobqueue table, trying to pull out any queued jobs and update them to the new format? I don't mind if the queued-but-not-finished jobs get thrown out, but I have a feeling users will... |
| [15:51:32] | sphery: | guess I'm just a bit too slow on that one |
| [15:52:22] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: im going to be converting the job types over to job commands |
| [15:52:29] | wagnerrp: | now if those were just 1:1, that would be simple |
| [15:52:43] | wagnerrp: | but, with transcoding, im going to have one command per transcoding profile |
| [15:53:10] | wagnerrp: | so i would need code to look up the transcoding profile defined for that job/recording rule |
| [15:53:36] | wagnerrp: | and then if users had defined their own transcoding rule in place of the internal, i would need more code to translate over to that |
| [15:54:15] | wagnerrp: | it can be done, with effort |
| [15:55:14] | wagnerrp: | with a couple lines of sql, i could do all the user jobs, and just assume the commflagging jobs use the internal tool |
| [15:55:26] | Captain_Murdoch: | I see that becoming more confusing for the user. most probably just use 'auto' now. have fun on the scheduled recording editor screen. :) |
| [15:55:49] | Captain_Murdoch: | for commflagging, just check the existing commflag command setting to create your new commflag job. |
| [15:56:09] | Captain_Murdoch: | if it's empty, replace with the command that hte current jobqueue builds. |
| [15:56:36] | wagnerrp: | well i intend to add all the existing default commands, and then additional add the user defined ones on top of that if they exist |
| [15:56:41] | wagnerrp: | im headed off to lunch |
| [16:04:20] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, 'all' is only 1 commflag command and 4 user commands (ie, the easy ones) and then X*2 transcode commands, but that X*2 translates to 'transcode using autodetect w/ cutlist', 'transcode using autodetect w/o cutlist', 'transcode using profile 1 w/ cutlist', 'transcode using profile 1 w/o cutlist', 'transcode using profile 2 w/ cutlist', 'transcode using profile 2 w/o cutlist', etc.. when most users don't care about |
| [16:04:20] | Captain_Murdoch: | any of that becaues they probably just use 'auto' with or without cutlist. so the user goes from being able to just say "transcode this recording" to having 10+ options (counting auto-detect plus 3 levels of profiles, plus lossless, plus with or without cutlist on each). That's complicating things for the avg user. |
| [16:05:59] | Captain_Murdoch: | simplification is one of the main reasons that transcode and commflag were internal commands in the current jobqueue. |
| [16:06:06] | Captain_Murdoch: | s/were/are/ |
| [16:06:20] | Captain_Murdoch: | and s/commands/types/ |
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| [16:35:29] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ah, it turns out that the reason for the "allow limiting link name length" ticket is because a user (who--it seems--is too cheap to pay for Schedules Direct data) is trying to work around the broken EIT data that has no subtitles his provider gives him. (He seems to be in AL.) |
| [16:35:49] | sphery: | so, cheap user with broken data trying to do something stupid (use description in link name) |
| [16:36:06] | sphery: | and, yeah, I think I recognize that name... I think he's the Java guy, right? |
| [16:37:23] | sphery: | oh, and also only needs the links so he can use a UPnP player instead of mythfrontend |
| [16:40:27] | sphery: | Ah, not the Java guy. Don't know who he is. |
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| [17:01:24] | Beirdo: | skd5aner: whazzup? |
| [17:01:31] | skd5aner: | hey man! |
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| [17:01:46] | skd5aner: | I'm hoping you can ease my nerves a bit |
| [17:02:00] | skd5aner: | :) |
| [17:02:25] | Beirdo: | it's possible |
| [17:02:29] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commit . . . /079928.html |
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| [17:02:43] | skd5aner: | That's nice and all, but the hooks never told me that ffmpeg was merged in at all |
| [17:03:12] | skd5aner: | let alone any major changes the merge might include (support for new formats, major fixes/differences, etc) |
| [17:03:24] | Beirdo: | yeah, github didn |
| [17:03:27] | Beirdo: | 't tell us |
| [17:03:30] | Beirdo: | idiotic. |
| [17:03:58] | skd5aner: | not trying to pick on you about it... but it makes tracking changes pretty misserable |
| [17:04:01] | Beirdo: | Well, there's like 6 months or so of ffmpeg changes in there. There would be all of the above :) |
| [17:04:48] | Beirdo: | any specific ones, I am not sure off hand. |
| [17:04:56] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: that's true – but in the past, folks have done a good job of summing up the important stuff – i.e., https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/a19cf . . . 2b7e2b32edb2 |
| [17:06:02] | Beirdo: | yes, but remember also... Janne (who committed that) is also an ffmpeg (well, libav now) dev |
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| [17:06:35] | skd5aner: | understood – just wondering how that info can be extracted and shared to the masses? |
| [17:06:38] | Beirdo: | I guess I could try to take some time and get a list of major changes for ya, but it will take a while |
| [17:07:22] | Beirdo: | We'll find a way, and I'll be sure to track it better next time. |
| [17:07:29] | skd5aner: | in otherwords – mythtv's functionality improves because ffmpeg's functionality improved – but if those changes can't be conveyed, it's just just a big black box that no one sees the benefit from |
| [17:08:45] | Beirdo: | well, there are definitely new audio formats supported, and SSA/ASS captions |
| [17:08:49] | skd5aner: | NP – like I said, not trying to pick on you... just hate it when someone branches off, I don't see any of the hundred or so changes they work on, and then they merge it back into master and I... 1) don't even know it was merged in (like this case) and 2) have no clue what important stuff to call out as part of the merge |
| [17:09:41] | Beirdo: | well, that's because people whined loudly when they could see what's on the branches |
| [17:09:54] | Beirdo: | and sorry to say it, but that workflow isn't going away |
| [17:09:57] | skd5aner: | seems like a lot of good work (usually significant work and changes) that in the end will get no credit |
| [17:10:37] | skd5aner: | Well, in the past leveraging svn, commits to branches were seen in the hooks – what's the difference with git? |
| [17:10:56] | Beirdo: | we filter them out |
| [17:11:02] | Beirdo: | because people whined |
| [17:11:13] | Beirdo: | the emails were too confusing for some |
| [17:11:13] | skd5aner: | so why did people not care with svn but all of a sudden they care with git? |
| [17:11:33] | Beirdo: | because git can be more verbose, and we use more branches, that's my guess |
| [17:11:40] | skd5aner: | ok – I would propose another solution, but it would only work if devs were willing to adopt it... |
| [17:11:51] | Beirdo: | however... we could create another mailing list for the non-core branches |
| [17:12:03] | Beirdo: | and those who don't want to see them can not subscribe |
| [17:12:34] | sphery: | FWIW, I'd argue that it's not really that important to list what changes the updated libav*/ffmpeg version brings--since for the most part, we need new code to use those changes (other than bug fixes--and just knowing what upstream revision we have is enough info to describe that) |
| [17:12:37] | skd5aner: | and that would be, when people have major branches, they create a tracking ticket in trac, which they can use ref hooks to so that you can easily see progress on a branch |
| [17:13:44] | Beirdo: | you can easily see it using the network view on github too, you know, and that'd be less messy than tickets |
| [17:14:10] | skd5aner: | sphery: maybe on an ffmpeg merge that could be argued, but what about something like the myth-rec2 branch – I have 0 insight into what's going on in there and when those changes get merged... all I'm probably going to see is "Merge branch 'mythtv-rec2" into master of github.com:MythTV/mythtv" |
| [17:14:49] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: I don't find that network view to be that easy to navigate, honestly – it's nice when I have to dig in and really truely see what's going on, but it's not quick and easy by any means (imho) |
| [17:15:30] | skd5aner: | ultimately, I honesty don't really care – I'll just deal with the data I have |
| [17:15:31] | Beirdo: | well, I think the easiest would be a second mailing list for the filtered out commits to other branches |
| [17:16:03] | Beirdo: | then those of us who care can get those emails. Those who don't can blissfully live in ignorance of the details :) |
| [17:16:08] | skd5aner: | I'm just providing feedback because the data used to be there and used to be helpful and easy to get to :) |
| [17:16:49] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [17:16:56] | skd5aner: | the smolt thing was a decent example – had no clue that was even merged in until I saw someone commit something to it once it was already in master – I figured that would be important to call out in a changelog |
| [17:16:56] | Beirdo: | I feel your frustration :) |
| [17:17:41] | skd5aner: | then, I had to put on my detective hat, go to github, and scan through the network graph – which was not as easy as clikcing "next" on the mailman archive :) |
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| [17:18:47] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: perhaps I'm off, but I thought it was originally filtered out because of all the merge related message and duplicates between branches |
| [17:18:49] | Beirdo: | fair enough. I'll work on getting us another mailing list for the rest of the commits. I think that would make it easier |
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| [17:19:04] | skd5aner: | and maybe because you couldn't easily distinguish if a change was specific to a branch or master? |
| [17:19:04] | Beirdo: | it's not a duplicate |
| [17:19:30] | sphery: | skd5aner: yeah, summary for a mythtv-rec2 merge would be important |
| [17:19:38] | Beirdo: | it's people not understanding what things really are. |
| [17:19:43] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: can I add my suggestion if you want to create a second list? |
| [17:19:56] | Beirdo: | sure |
| [17:19:59] | skd5aner: | can you make sure it includes "everything" instead of just what is filtered out of -commits? |
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| [17:20:34] | skd5aner: | so, instead of -commits being what it is today and -commits2 being whatever is filtered out, that -commits2 includes everything that -commits gets too – that way you're not sifting between lists |
| [17:20:49] | skd5aner: | people can then choose if they want to see a filtered view, or unfiltered view |
| [17:20:59] | Beirdo: | sounds good |
| [17:21:47] | skd5aner: | thanks – I hate to come off as whiny about it :/ |
| [17:22:17] | skd5aner: | feedback on administratia isn't that important compared to actually getting code done |
| [17:22:45] | sphery: | skd5aner: yeah, and you do realize you're distracting him from getting code done on my TODOs |
| [17:23:02] | skd5aner: | that's because my TODOs are cooler |
| [17:23:07] | sphery: | heh |
| [17:23:08] | skd5aner: | sexier |
| [17:23:43] | sphery: | I've been trying to figure out what TODO to push off on Beirdo, next--he's been way too fast at getting my logging rewrite done |
| [17:23:51] | Beirdo: | heheh |
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| [17:24:13] | Beirdo: | OK, I'll look at sending the unfiltered view to a new mailing list |
| [17:24:36] | Beirdo: | although I'm still gonna filter if I see the exact same commit SHA1 on the same repo |
| [17:24:39] | skd5aner: | thanks Beirdo – honestly, unfiltered might be nasty to look at too |
| [17:24:47] | skd5aner: | yea – exactly |
| [17:25:02] | Beirdo: | but other than that, unfiltered. it will be noisie |
| [17:25:04] | Beirdo: | r |
| [17:25:16] | Beirdo: | but I think I'd rather be on that list myself |
| [17:25:18] | skd5aner: | yea – that was the duplicate thing I was talking about |
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| [17:26:23] | sphery: | Beirdo: we can call it the hefecommits list |
| [17:26:31] | sphery: | unfiltered--with all the yeast |
| [17:26:32] | Beirdo: | ubercommits? |
| [17:26:35] | sphery: | heh |
| [17:26:36] | Beirdo: | oooh |
| [17:26:45] | Beirdo: | yeah/ |
| [17:26:56] | sphery: | now Beirdo has to sneak away to find a nice unfiltered wheat beer for lunch |
| [17:26:56] | skd5aner: | -firehose |
| [17:27:22] | Beirdo: | firehose sounds appropriate |
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| [18:38:35] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: reading about your HDPVR power on/off device idea |
| [18:39:00] | skd5aner: | In my case, I think in about 1.5 years, I've only had 1 or 2 times I've had to cycle the HD-PVR |
| [18:39:11] | skd5aner: | it's been fairly resiliant for me |
| [18:39:47] | skd5aner: | and when i do get 0-byte recordings via the HD-PVR (which is extremely rare) it's also been because the STB has been off |
| [18:40:35] | Beirdo: | yeah, not in my case :) |
| [18:40:51] | skd5aner: | I wonder why some have worse luck than others |
| [18:40:54] | Beirdo: | I hope to have numbers for that in a day or two (depending on how busy I get, etc) |
| [18:41:09] | skd5aner: | I have a NIB one too – hopefully it's stable |
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| [18:42:04] | skd5aner: | I've had it for just as long, just don't want to pay TWC a monthly STB rentail fee for another box – between 3 QAM tuners and an HDPVR I can record nearly everything I'd want in HD with hardly a conflict |
| [18:43:58] | Beirdo: | skd5aner: OK, feel free to join mythtv-firehose ML ;) |
| [18:44:15] | Beirdo: | http://www.mythtv.org/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-firehose |
| [18:44:18] | skd5aner: | thanks! |
| [18:44:22] | skd5aner: | haha |
| [18:44:25] | Beirdo: | it's up and running |
| [18:44:34] | Beirdo: | and the hook has been modified to use it |
| [18:44:41] | skd5aner: | Might be worth updating mythtv.org to link to it |
| [18:46:21] | Beirdo: | that I don't know how to do. I'll leave that to those who do :) |
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| [19:18:02] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: in wouldnt exactly say the network video is 'easy' |
| [19:18:17] | wagnerrp: | its pretty painful if you have to go back more than a couple days |
| [19:18:43] | wagnerrp: | would be nice if there was some sort of 'legend' |
| [19:18:58] | wagnerrp: | a long term view that just showed the tree structure, but no commit information |
| [19:19:05] | wagnerrp: | something like the multiple timelines ohloh shows |
| [19:19:26] | Beirdo: | it could be made better, but really, it's the best visual interpretation I've seen yet |
| [19:20:11] | Beirdo: | granted, lots of room for improvement |
| [19:20:18] | Beirdo: | like ditch flash, and make it open source |
| [19:21:10] | wagnerrp: | use an html5 canvas or something? |
| [19:21:21] | Beirdo: | sure. |
| [19:21:34] | Beirdo: | but for the love of all things holy... make it open source |
| [19:21:42] | Beirdo: | so we can fork it and fix it |
| [19:21:55] | wagnerrp: | if gitk could follow multiple branches, it would be much easier to use than the network view |
| [19:22:13] | Beirdo: | if gitk created a web page :0 |
| [19:22:21] | wagnerrp: | (and that too) |
| [19:22:32] | Beirdo: | yeah, it's about the only other option |
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| [19:22:58] | Beirdo: | if we got bored enough sometime, we could create our own |
| [19:23:09] | Beirdo: | it's just a tree-type of diagram |
| [19:24:01] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but thats a lot of effort for limited gain |
| [19:24:15] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [19:24:46] | Beirdo: | jya: you're still maintaining a separate fixes-0.24? porque? |
| [19:25:30] | wagnerrp: | hes been maintaining an independent fixes branch since 0.21 |
| [19:25:42] | Beirdo: | yeah, but why? :) |
| [19:25:49] | wagnerrp: | basically, a bunch of additional backports beyond the official repo |
| [19:26:22] | wagnerrp: | but yeah, if youve got them and youve got commit access, theres little reason not to put them in the official repo |
| [19:26:23] | Beirdo: | nothing wrong with it, or anything, just seems odd. |
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| [19:29:39] | Beirdo: | hmmm, I have an ebay Bucks certificate to use up before May 2 |
| [19:30:33] | Beirdo: | and nothing that I can think of that I wanna buy |
| [19:30:35] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [20:35:07] | Beirdo: | I remember the days when computers could barely play MP3... and here I am encoding on the fly at home to listen to at work over the internet |
| [20:36:42] | wagnerrp: | my low end 5yr old server is doing that without breaking a sweat |
| [20:36:48] | wagnerrp: | mp3fs? |
| [20:36:50] | Beirdo: | yeah :) |
| [20:37:05] | Beirdo: | I store em all as flac, and encode on the fly when I ask for em |
| [20:37:51] | Beirdo: | that computer will soon be moving to the new desk |
| [20:38:29] | Beirdo: | along with the DVD jukebox and the turntable :) |
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| [20:40:08] | Beirdo: | but I remember the old days... trying to play MP3 on my K3 |
| [20:40:15] | Beirdo: | it didn't like me much |
| [20:40:36] | Beirdo: | hahaha. |
| [20:40:47] | Beirdo: | chrome still had this song in its cache |
| [20:40:53] | Beirdo: | instant download |
| [20:41:22] | Beirdo: | Mana & Santana – Corazon Espinado |
| [20:43:11] | wagnerrp: | mp3fs doesnt do so well with files sourced other than CDs |
| [20:43:22] | Beirdo: | it works fine for my LP rips |
| [20:43:29] | wagnerrp: | if its not 16-bit 44.1khz, they dont work |
| [20:43:35] | Beirdo: | but then again, I save as flac at CD rate |
| [20:43:43] | Beirdo: | right |
| [20:44:03] | Beirdo: | which is unfortunate, I'd like to do 192k/24bit |
| [20:44:08] | wagnerrp: | ive got some 24-bit stuff that just make noise |
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| [20:48:53] | justinh: | Beirdo: oh, I remember when my laptop could barely play MP3.. it's a core 2 1.6Ghz CPU, 2GB RAM. Been ok since I took Vista off it though :D |
| [20:49:29] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:49:49] | JEDIDIAH__: | [nelson]Ha HA[/nelson] |
| [20:50:17] | JEDIDIAH__: | what is a K3 anyways? |
| [20:50:46] | jams_: | amd chip |
| [20:51:58] | justinh: | heh |
| [20:52:11] | justinh: | I came into PCs at K6 or so IIRC |
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| [20:53:58] | wagnerrp: | JEDIDIAH__: something comparable to a pentium 1 |
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| [20:55:10] | wagnerrp: | no, earlier than that |
| [20:55:20] | wagnerrp: | K5 was the pentium competitor |
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| [20:56:58] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: do you mean an am386? |
| [20:57:06] | wagnerrp: | the K5 was the first of the K line |
| [20:57:25] | jams_: | there was also a k6–3 which was something referred to as the k3 |
| [20:58:00] | wagnerrp: | a k6–3 should have had absolutely no problem handling mp3s |
| [20:58:57] | jams_: | that is true |
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| [21:04:00] | JEDIDIAH__: | I did mp3's on a 486. |
| [21:06:21] | justinh: | wagnerrp: nor should a dual core 1.6Ghz CPU! |
| [21:06:44] | justinh: | and yet.. stutter, pause.. buffer.. stutter... |
| [21:07:48] | justinh: | despite the protestations of the local windows fanboy at work, I wasn't quite willing to 'let it bed in for a few days'. What kind of madness is it that a brand new machine can't effortlessly play a simple audio file? |
| [21:10:40] | JEDIDIAH__: | probably windows trying to do something in the background. |
| [21:11:02] | Beirdo: | K6–3 that was it |
| [21:11:10] | Beirdo: | and it did have issues :) |
| [21:12:17] | clever: | JEDIDIAH__: that reminds me, i remember mp3 not playing smoothly on my ~50mhz 486 |
| [21:12:19] | AndyCap: | could play most mp3's on my p90 with the right player. :P |
| [21:12:23] | clever: | even .wav had trouble! |
| [21:12:32] | clever: | i had to reduce the sampling rate before it would smoothly play |
| [21:12:46] | JEDIDIAH__: | I don't recall doing anything too magical. |
| [21:12:57] | JEDIDIAH__: | could encode at the same time too (while playing back). |
| [21:13:03] | JEDIDIAH__: | Unix is wonderful that way... |
| [21:13:06] | clever: | i must have been too short on cpu cycles to even resample raw wav |
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| [21:27:14] | LedHed: | Is there a linux driver for the Hauppauge Colossus? |
| [21:27:36] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [21:27:42] | LedHed: | :( |
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| [21:28:14] | LedHed: | anyone working on one? |
| [21:29:02] | wagnerrp: | not that ive heard |
| [21:30:21] | LedHed: | thats a bummer. I'd really like to get Extended Basic again |
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| [21:30:40] | wagnerrp: | you dont need a colossus for 'extended basic' |
| [21:30:46] | LedHed: | sure I do |
| [21:30:49] | LedHed: | in HD anyhow |
| [21:31:01] | wagnerrp: | extended basic would be standard definition |
| [21:31:06] | LedHed: | My Cable Co doesnt broadcast in Clear QAM anymore |
| [21:31:10] | wagnerrp: | and accessible through a cheap DTA and analog tuner |
| [21:31:51] | LedHed: | wagnerrp, Extended Basic lineup in HD, is what I meant |
| [21:32:06] | wagnerrp: | you could always pick up an HDPVR |
| [21:32:17] | LedHed: | DiscoveryHD, TLC, SciFi, etc... |
| [21:32:54] | LedHed: | wagnerrp, ya, its only $40 more than the Colossus |
| [21:33:17] | LedHed: | but its one more box |
| [21:33:30] | wagnerrp: | but you already have one box |
| [21:33:41] | LedHed: | I have tons of boxes |
| [21:33:50] | wagnerrp: | and you can always remove it from its case, buy some standoffs, and mount it inside your case |
| [21:34:01] | LedHed: | never thought of that |
| [21:34:04] | wagnerrp: | it runs off 5VDC, so you can even power it from a MOLEX connector |
| [21:34:11] | LedHed: | nice |
| [21:34:20] | wagnerrp: | iamli ndoro did that for one of his, and photographically documented it on the wiki |
| [21:34:23] | skd5aner: | ha – has anyone tried that? and why? |
| [21:35:11] | wagnerrp: | as just mentioned, iamli ndoro did that for one of his, and photographically documented it on the wiki |
| [21:35:39] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Mounting_the_HD-PVR_Internally |
| [21:35:57] | LedHed: | I hate encryption. why cant they just let me record the TV I pay for! Just a way for them to force you to pay for their hardware |
| [21:36:46] | Beirdo: | it's so the terrorists don't win. |
| [21:36:54] | wagnerrp: | thats all it is, lock in |
| [21:37:05] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: that's cool :) Why didn't I see that before, I wonder? |
| [21:37:23] | Beirdo: | great way to void yer warranty, I'm sure |
| [21:37:26] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: would it matter? |
| [21:37:35] | Beirdo: | heh, no |
| [21:37:36] | wagnerrp: | surely you have no room left in that case to do such a thing |
| [21:37:42] | LedHed: | Let the terrorists win, just let me record me TV! |
| [21:37:46] | Beirdo: | certainly not |
| [21:37:47] | LedHed: | :) |
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| [21:39:44] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: the Radio Shack Size K is the correct size for an HDPVR? |
| [21:40:26] | Beirdo: | that makes the design of the power switcher that much easier |
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| [21:41:43] | Beirdo: | OK, the new mailing list is on gossamer-lists |
| [21:42:02] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: in case ya want it: http://www.mythtv.org/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-firehose |
| [21:42:12] | Beirdo: | will have all the commits to all the branches |
| [21:42:24] | Beirdo: | commits will still have only master/*-fixes |
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| [21:43:55] | Beirdo: | later tonight I'll add it to the support page |
| [21:46:13] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: is there any real reason for mythtranscode not to use the cutlist when it is available? |
| [21:46:27] | wagnerrp: | i dont ever recall seeing anywhere in the UI that allowed you to choose otherwise |
| [21:46:54] | wagnerrp: | and if the decision is made whether it is an automated job or not, jobs run automatically should not have the cutlist set anyway |
| [21:47:06] | Beirdo: | umm, from nuvexport, there is the option |
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| [21:47:35] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: im talking about having separate instances in the jobqueue for with and without cutlist |
| [21:47:43] | Beirdo: | Oooh |
| [21:47:45] | Beirdo: | OK |
| [21:48:03] | wagnerrp: | the only issue i could see with just having it use the cutlist by default would be in the event of a job automatically run several hours after a recording |
| [21:48:12] | wagnerrp: | and while a user is editing the cutlist |
| [21:48:14] | Beirdo: | just remember that mythtranscode does non-jobqueue stuff too :) |
| [21:48:36] | wagnerrp: | i know, but we would make the default values set to what mythtranscode wants |
| [21:48:38] | Beirdo: | right. You could make it --nohonorcutlist |
| [21:48:39] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [21:48:42] | wagnerrp: | and everything else gets to specify otherwise |
| [21:48:51] | wagnerrp: | s/mythtranscode/the jobqueue' |
| [21:48:52] | Beirdo: | or --ignorecutlist |
| [21:52:02] | Beirdo: | I think I want another little Atom/whatever box as another wireless firewall |
| [21:52:18] | wagnerrp: | as a second one? for failover? |
| [21:52:26] | Beirdo: | no, for another room |
| [21:52:38] | Beirdo: | I don't really wanna run the cabling to hardwire |
| [21:53:52] | Beirdo: | although I think there's a central spot I might be able to leverage |
| [21:53:59] | Beirdo: | hmmm. |
| [21:54:19] | wagnerrp: | better $200 in hardware and a slow intermittent connection than $2 in CAT6? |
| [21:54:49] | Beirdo: | it's running it across the floor and through the doorway that's the issue |
| [21:55:03] | Beirdo: | and it would be a lot more than $2 |
| [21:55:47] | Beirdo: | BUT, the central spot has cat5 drops to the two bedrooms |
| [21:55:53] | wagnerrp: | well it goes for like $0.10/ft these days, how far is the other room? |
| [21:56:11] | Beirdo: | I think I can bridge them in there, and then run a cable in the bedroom to the jack |
| [21:56:23] | Beirdo: | if I follow the walls? 50ft almost |
| [21:56:24] | LedHed: | Anyone here using Hulu Plus? |
| [21:56:43] | Beirdo: | and it's $0.10/ft if you buy 1000ft+ :) |
| [21:57:03] | Beirdo: | which isn't the worst idea |
| [22:20:59] | jya: | Beirdo: I have a 0.24 branch with all the new audio code in... Why? because I run a 0.24 backend and do not want to run trunk on my stable system... |
| [22:26:47] | Beirdo: | hehe, fair enough ;) |
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| [23:22:14] | JEDIDIAH__: | running a single drop in a new house will cost $500. |
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| [23:23:03] | JEDIDIAH__: | makes using a bundled/structured cable very useful. |
| [23:25:40] | Beirdo: | if I owned a house, running drops would be nearly free |
| [23:25:58] | Beirdo: | as then the holes in the wall are nobody's business but mine |
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| [23:48:37] | mythbeast: | I just set up my myth box using the normal coax cable coming in. My setup is using a pvr-500 and it works great, records fine and i can change the channels while in live tv mode. It fails to change channels on its own however. Do i need a channel change script? |
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| [23:50:55] | mythbeast: | according to what I have read I will not need a channel change script. how can i find out why my box fails to change channels when I set it to record on some other channel? |
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| [23:56:33] | wagnerrp: | mythbeast: if mythtv can change channels in live tv mode, then scheduled recordings will work fine as well |
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| [23:56:47] | mindoms: | where may i set the language for metadata grabbing in .24? |
| [23:56:49] | mindoms: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Ttvdb.py#Languages wont bring up the described settings page |
| [23:57:20] | wagnerrp: | mindoms: language settings will be tied into that which you define for mythtv |
| [23:57:27] | wagnerrp: | for now, its not hooked up, and will just use english |
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| [23:58:50] | mythbeast: | wagnerrp: I understand that it should be changing channels, but that is why i am here, because it is not |
| [23:58:58] | mindoms: | wagnerrp: Thanks, please clearify. english is hardcoded right now. no way to change? |
| [23:59:12] | wagnerrp: | mindoms: for now, correct |
| [23:59:34] | wagnerrp: | mythbeast: your PVR-500 is hooked directly into the cable line? youre not running it through a cable box? |
| [23:59:56] | mindoms: | wagnerrp: so hacking tmdb.py, so -l en is replaced with -l de would be a workaround? |
| [23:59:58] | wagnerrp: | i ask because you said your 'box fails to change channels' |
| [23:59:59] | mythbeast: | wagnerrp: that is correct. |
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