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| [00:00:49] | bumblebeebat: | I am thinking it might be easier just to re-install, I have no clue why the detect audio devices would not work |
| [00:01:20] | bumblebeebat: | I have tried re-installing alsa-base with no luck |
| [00:08:57] | mycoDA: | bumblebeebat – there is also something to be said for 10.04 – lot of buntu-ites are stayin with the LTS release |
| [00:10:51] | bumblebeebat: | what do you mean by buntu-ites |
| [00:12:36] | wagnerrp: | people who use [u/myth]buntu |
| [00:13:49] | bumblebeebat: | ahhhh, yeah, looks like there are some big changes on the horizon |
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| [00:14:23] | bumblebeebat: | It might be a good time to stick with something stable |
| [00:15:57] | mycoDA: | apparently the mythbuntu team will be releasing all myth versions for 10.04 til 12.04 comes out |
| [00:16:13] | mycoDA: | april next year obviously lol |
| [00:16:46] | wagnerrp: | 'big changes on the horizon' would be for 0.25 |
| [00:17:03] | wagnerrp: | 11.04 will not ship with 0.25 |
| [00:17:07] | bumblebeebat: | makes sense, I think unity is to make things a bit less stable |
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| [00:17:32] | wagnerrp: | or are you talking about changes in ubuntu itself? |
| [00:18:18] | bumblebeebat: | I was talking to changes to ubuntu, but those will not be included in mythbuntu |
| [00:18:52] | bumblebeebat: | can anyone suggest an alternative distro |
| [00:19:42] | [R]: | wagnerrp: trying to use mythfs.py again... still getting errors from samba :( |
| [00:21:04] | bumblebeebat: | gtg |
| [00:21:16] | bumblebeebat: | good chatting |
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| [00:23:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | /msg mzb – Gee, you around? ~11:30am for you I think... |
| [00:23:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | oops. |
| [00:24:12] | wagnerrp: | !seen mzb |
| [00:24:12] | MythLogBot: | mzb is here and has been idle for 20 hours 56 minutes 30 seconds |
| [00:24:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: thanks. ;-) |
| [00:30:21] | wagnerrp: | anyone watching chaos? |
| [00:30:54] | tmkt: | charos? |
| [00:31:00] | tmkt: | chaos even |
| [00:32:08] | wagnerrp: | nevermind |
| [00:32:30] | wagnerrp: | i was going to say they did a ___really___awful___ actor switch between the pilot and second episode |
| [00:32:34] | wagnerrp: | but its not the same character |
| [00:32:54] | tmkt: | new show? what channel? |
| [00:33:00] | tmkt: | looking for something new to watch |
| [00:33:03] | wagnerrp: | CBS, now |
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| [00:38:45] | sphery: | wagnerrp: chaos is already listed as "almost definitely will be cancelled" |
| [00:39:09] | wagnerrp: | sphery: yeah, i figured as much |
| [00:39:14] | wagnerrp: | but... its not bad while it lasts |
| [00:39:26] | sphery: | they said that Breaking In did well, though |
| [00:39:43] | wagnerrp: | really? i thought that was bad... |
| [00:39:53] | tmkt: | Mad Love is bad.. |
| [00:40:22] | sphery: | I admit that I can't make a subjective decision on Mad Love |
| [00:40:25] | tmkt: | Office with will ferrell was good last night, and modern family on wed was pretty good |
| [00:40:35] | sphery: | I didn't like Will Ferrell on Office |
| [00:40:43] | tmkt: | I prefer the prerfect couples show more then mad love |
| [00:40:46] | mycoDA: | j-e-f-f-a daylight saving is over – its 10:340 am for us |
| [00:41:29] | sphery: | I wasn't a fan of Perfect Couples. Better With You was not too bad, though. |
| [00:41:34] | tmkt: | using boxee today for the main reason for buying it..mlnbtv..works great |
| [00:41:46] | tmkt: | wanted to check out breakin in |
| [00:41:58] | tmkt: | Did you ssee Defenders or Ordinary Family? |
| [00:42:01] | tmkt: | enjoyed those 2 |
| [00:42:04] | tmkt: | Shameless...was great |
| [00:42:43] | sphery: | wagnerrp: Chaos: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/04/12/c . . . d-poll/88946 |
| [00:42:50] | sphery: | wagnerrp: and Breaking In: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/04/12/f . . . a-lift/88948 |
| [00:51:36] | mycoDA: | shameless is funny as hell, so was skins at the start |
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| [00:58:22] | mzb: | . |
| [01:03:55] | mycoDA: | hey mzb |
| [01:04:09] | mzb: | gday |
| [01:04:50] | mycoDA: | whats happinin on the pudenda of the world? |
| [01:04:52] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ah, just figured out where the Nyquist frequency quote came from |
| [01:08:07] | mzb: | opportunity keeps knocking on my door, atm ;) |
| [01:08:54] | mycoDA: | surprises me that the master backend cant do a schedule run say once a day after data grab, hand off schedules to a slave backend and shut down letting something tiny do the actual recording |
| [01:09:09] | mzb: | starting to wonder if I need a sign on the door that says "Opportunities accepted, this week's minimum price = $XXX/hr" |
| [01:09:22] | mycoDA: | lol |
| [01:09:44] | mycoDA: | even an arm chip could handle the load of recording |
| [01:10:45] | GreyFoxx: | schedules change for a lot of reasons, it's smarter (and built in) to shutdown the slaves except when they are needed to do recordings |
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| [01:13:00] | mycoDA: | not unless you fetch data they dont lol |
| [01:13:24] | GreyFoxx: | yes they do |
| [01:13:43] | mycoDA: | may be useful in the US i spose, but the only option over her is shepherd and it only fetches once a day (or moans endlessly) |
| [01:13:55] | GreyFoxx: | if you delete a recording and tell it to go ahead and record again later if it's on, then a reschedule wuold be needed (it might be on in 5 minutes) |
| [01:14:09] | GreyFoxx: | If you have DVB and get listings that constantly change or get updated over the wire |
| [01:14:34] | GreyFoxx: | if you have it set to only record 5 episodes of a show, and delete 1 it will attempt to record another one |
| [01:14:42] | GreyFoxx: | there are tons of reasons |
| [01:16:01] | mycoDA: | master backend would need to be up to delete a recording, so that is 2 o those gone |
| [01:16:25] | GreyFoxx: | So you would want a system where you couldn't delete a recording? |
| [01:16:32] | mycoDA: | sure – if you are constantly grabbing schedule data you need the master backend, that too is obvious |
| [01:16:39] | GreyFoxx: | the master backend also controls autoexpiry |
| [01:17:20] | mycoDA: | no – it would be cool to be able to shut down the master backend (that needs to be able to do a lot more than just record) after it farmed out recordings |
| [01:17:23] | mzb: | pointless doing EPG OTA here ... quality is very poor |
| [01:17:40] | mycoDA: | obviously for playback and deletion etc, it needs to be up |
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| [01:18:09] | GreyFoxx: | I've shutdown my master backend while a slave was recording, but that was just momentarily |
| [01:18:12] | mycoDA: | but i would think most of us would spend a lot less time watching than the machine is up waiting to record, or downloading or whatever |
| [01:18:48] | wagnerrp: | tmkt: did defenders end up getting canned? |
| [01:18:57] | mycoDA: | having a fusion box or even arm doing that would potentially save a reasonable bit o power |
| [01:19:23] | GreyFoxx: | myco: Hence why my master backend is also the house dhcp server, file server for all content including video/recording and the slaves go to sleep when not needed |
| [01:19:27] | wagnerrp: | mycoDA: if your backend has tuners, then its not going to be allowed to shut down |
| [01:19:40] | wagnerrp: | if your backend is a low power machine without tuners, why bother shutting it down? |
| [01:20:08] | wagnerrp: | GreyFoxx: you ever use mythmessage? |
| [01:20:29] | GreyFoxx: | I was playing with it the other day :) |
| [01:20:48] | wagnerrp: | what is the command line syntax |
| [01:20:58] | wagnerrp: | there seems to be a conflict between what the help says, and what the code says |
| [01:21:04] | wagnerrp: | i cant make heads or tails of it |
| [01:21:52] | GreyFoxx: | mythmessage --message_text="Test" |
| [01:22:06] | GreyFoxx: | And add the other values if you direct it to a single fe |
| [01:22:31] | wagnerrp: | only... message_text is not a valid option |
| [01:22:51] | mycoDA: | wagnerrp – that is my point – a machine with tuners doesnt inherently need to be the machine with the sql and scheduling etc conceptually |
| [01:22:58] | wagnerrp: | from what i can tell... you could run 'mythmessage --fark-bars="Test"' and get the same effect |
| [01:23:30] | wagnerrp: | mycoDA: no, but that is an unofficial, and relatively untested, setup |
| [01:23:35] | mycoDA: | i am not saying it is architecturally possible now – just that it would be cool if it were |
| [01:23:38] | wagnerrp: | however it is also one that some of us intend to go |
| [01:24:04] | wagnerrp: | a generic daemon, that runs everything |
| [01:24:18] | mycoDA: | that if the scheduler and schedule runner could be separated, a slave could just have a schedule runner and record threads, in a nas even |
| [01:24:28] | wagnerrp: | on the master, it starts up the process running the embedded database, recording, disk, and job schedulers |
| [01:24:49] | sphery: | wagnerrp: best "documentation" for it is probably: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 70122#470122 |
| [01:24:51] | wagnerrp: | everywhere else, it starts up a stripped down backend containing the recorder and file server |
| [01:24:58] | mycoDA: | nice |
| [01:25:19] | mycoDA: | but.... can the master shut down and the slaves still record? |
| [01:25:30] | wagnerrp: | other machines, it would start up a jobqueue, or a dedicated file server |
| [01:25:57] | wagnerrp: | in the event of a master shutdown, the slaves will continue doing whatever they were last doing, and then idle loop waiting for the master to come back online |
| [01:26:15] | wagnerrp: | i dont think any possible future architecture would allow anything to function without the master |
| [01:26:25] | sphery: | mycoDA: you can't let the workers in without a boss to manage them |
| [01:26:27] | wagnerrp: | besides perhaps a detached frontend, laptop to take on trips |
| [01:26:36] | mycoDA: | why not let thm keep a set of schedules that could keep em going for say 12 or 24h |
| [01:26:59] | sphery: | mycoDA: because when they're all operating independently, what happens when there are conflicts/overlap |
| [01:27:07] | sphery: | besides, you /need/ the database |
| [01:27:15] | mycoDA: | you can send em out with a defined schedule tho sphery |
| [01:27:19] | sphery: | so why would you want the master to shut down? |
| [01:27:28] | sphery: | mycoDA: but schedules change |
| [01:27:34] | mycoDA: | power mainly (from an eco pov) |
| [01:27:38] | wagnerrp: | there is no good reason to take the master down, and leave other stuff running |
| [01:27:40] | sphery: | for reasons like GreyFoxx mentioned, and many more |
| [01:27:57] | sphery: | mycoDA: but you need the database... so it has to run somewhere |
| [01:28:03] | mycoDA: | grey foxx only metioned stuff that needs the dbase up anyway |
| [01:28:04] | sphery: | your low powered systems probably aren't up to the task |
| [01:28:15] | mycoDA: | sphery – that is the point |
| [01:28:21] | sphery: | so you keep your master running and have it shut itself down when not needed |
| [01:28:28] | mycoDA: | the database is not conceptually neede for everything |
| [01:28:41] | sphery: | mycoDA: what I'm saying is that even /while/ recording, we need the database |
| [01:28:57] | mycoDA: | at the moment |
| [01:29:10] | sphery: | how do you think fun things like seek tables and recording information get written into the db? |
| [01:29:25] | mycoDA: | could be done later when it comes back up |
| [01:29:37] | sphery: | anyway, as wagnerrp said, you'll be able to put the master backend wherever you want--even if it doesn't have tuners |
| [01:30:04] | mycoDA: | the point was more allowing recordings to happen without the database for a while |
| [01:30:11] | sphery: | it's called master/slave for a reason (and not peer2peer) |
| [01:30:17] | mycoDA: | yep |
| [01:30:42] | mycoDA: | nothing you have said makes it impractical |
| [01:31:05] | mycoDA: | i am not saying it should happen in 0.25 |
| [01:31:14] | mycoDA: | maybe would be nice by 1.0 tho :P |
| [01:31:20] | sphery: | well, come up with a patch that wins over those (like me) who think it's a bad idea |
| [01:31:33] | mycoDA: | would be more than a patch |
| [01:31:37] | mycoDA: | lol |
| [01:31:39] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [01:31:55] | sphery: | but I think you'll be happy enough when you see what we /do/ have planned |
| [01:32:06] | mycoDA: | it would likely require a separting out a schedule runner and record threads from the rest of the backend |
| [01:32:17] | mycoDA: | i know i will sphery |
| [01:32:22] | mycoDA: | myth is already amazing |
| [01:32:30] | sphery: | we are doing that |
| [01:32:34] | mycoDA: | any better is just cherries |
| [01:32:41] | sphery: | but we're still planning to maintain the master/slave architecture |
| [01:32:51] | mycoDA: | not saying it shouldnt |
| [01:32:54] | sphery: | rather than the "free-for-all recorders" approach :) |
| [01:33:28] | mycoDA: | just that a slave could hold onto enough commands to keep it going through the work day after the boss has given it its work schedule |
| [01:33:45] | mycoDA: | the boss can still call up with urgent jobs of course and change it all |
| [01:33:57] | mycoDA: | btu what boss doesnt like a long lunch? |
| [01:34:04] | wagnerrp: | separating out the record tasks is something planned |
| [01:34:18] | wagnerrp: | but the database and schedulers are something core that IMHO should stay in the master |
| [01:34:36] | mycoDA: | i dont think scheduling should come out |
| [01:34:55] | mycoDA: | just an ability for a slave to run a scheduled job que assigned by the master scheduler |
| [01:34:57] | wagnerrp: | although i always intend to have a big monolithic server somewhere in my house |
| [01:35:04] | sphery: | mycoDA: ok, here's the problem... a slave is given a "do this for the next 12 hours"... the backend boots back up 2 hours later, pulls a new schedule, and needs to change the instructions, but the network isn't responding, so the remote backend records all the wrong things--while, in the meantime, the master recorded some of those shows itself... now the network comes up, and the remote backend tries to report its stuff... what do we ... |
| [01:35:08] | mycoDA: | it shouldnt be able to make decisions for itself |
| [01:35:10] | sphery: | ... do now? |
| [01:35:57] | mycoDA: | same as you would if the network had been down before – get rid of it – tho you might be able to keep stuff the master didnt grab |
| [01:36:08] | mycoDA: | before there would have been nothing |
| [01:36:26] | sphery: | we'd have to figure out what the slave /did/ grab--remember there was a schedule/listings change |
| [01:36:42] | sphery: | anyway, it's confusion for no good reason |
| [01:36:57] | mycoDA: | both slave and master should have the info on what channels and times it was scheduled for |
| [01:37:03] | sphery: | when you can run a Core 2 Duo Mobile system at 10W or a Core i3/i5 /Desktop/ System at 25W |
| [01:37:17] | mycoDA: | or an arm at 1W lol |
| [01:37:45] | sphery: | just design your system better and you can have your power savings /and/ put the database, scheduler, and at least a couple tuners all on a nice machine |
| [01:37:57] | sphery: | which means fewer points of failure |
| [01:40:17] | sphery: | and if you think about it... an ARM system running at 1W (let's say 0 to make the math easy/interesting) compared to a poorly-designed backend running at 150W. You do 4 hours of recording a day. So, that's 150W * 4hr = 600 Wh/day or 18kWh/mo. At average US price/kWh of $0.12/kWh, that's $2.16 you didn't save. |
| [01:40:19] | GreyFoxx: | The new web setup interface is looking pretty spiffy :) Nice to see all the progress going on |
| [01:40:32] | sphery: | Now, design your backend better and you can cut that in half without trying |
| [01:41:29] | sphery: | basically, when you drop power usage from 150W to 75W, that's a 50% improvement, but it's hugely more important than a drop from 10W to 1W (or even 25W to 1W) |
| [01:41:40] | sphery: | thus, my manifesto: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/448321#448321 |
| [01:41:52] | sphery: | shut down systems when not in use and you'll save power/money |
| [01:42:18] | sphery: | but using an Atom or an ARM because it's low power won't necessarily save you enough to make it worthwhile |
| [01:42:32] | sphery: | especially if you just build a proper powerful system in the first place |
| [01:44:07] | sphery: | Anyway, I'm a big fan of saving power--until it becomes a lossy proposition (you lose more from trying to save than you gain)--which is why I don't have any power-constrained systems. Instead, I buy power-efficient systems. |
| [01:45:39] | mycoDA: | there is no point discussing alternatives to a personal manifesto i find |
| [01:47:58] | sphery: | heh, well, I'm just saying that swapping your 10mpg car for a 20mpg car is /much/ more useful than swapping your 20mpg car for a 40mpg car |
| [01:48:10] | sphery: | and there are way too many people who don't seem to realize that |
| [01:48:25] | sphery: | both may be double the fuel efficiency, but the first saves a /lot/ more fuel |
| [01:50:05] | mycoDA: | being from a family of accountants and economists, the law of diminishing returns is a familiar friend |
| [01:51:53] | sphery: | heh, yeah. anyway, I think what we have planned--when we actually get it implemented--will be enough to give you a lot of options you currently miss |
| [01:52:03] | sphery: | and will allow you to get some good efficiency from the system |
| [01:55:37] | mycoDA: | i had a fair idea that i had heard you guys talking about pulling out the recording threads :) once that is done it didnt seem an enormous task (and a fairly minor jump in logic, listening to friends on efnet #desktops chattin about ruddy NAS units running clients for this an that) for a slave backend to have a job que |
| [01:59:29] | wagnerrp: | actually, slave backends will not have job queues |
| [02:01:07] | wagnerrp: | sphery: beginning of fringe, theyre trying to transfer someone's consciousness into a cadaver |
| [02:01:18] | wagnerrp: | sparks fly, circuit breakers trip, nothing happens |
| [02:01:32] | wagnerrp: | they return a (now noticeably breathing) cadaver to the medical collage |
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| [02:07:13] | sphery: | wagnerrp: Well, obviously since it's not Belly's soul in there, they're not interested. After all, it's probably just Abby, and with that brain of hers, she's not going to solve any mysteries. |
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| [02:07:43] | sphery: | I'm planning to watch it after Criminal Minds, so I'll look forward to it |
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| [02:10:10] | wagnerrp: | man, the drug induced episodes are the best |
| [02:10:35] | sphery: | what, an episode named after a drug has drug-related content? |
| [02:10:51] | wagnerrp: | *gasp* youre bald! |
| [02:11:24] | mycoDA: | thx for the suggestion sphery – criminal minds it is lol |
| [02:11:48] | sphery: | heh, I'm hoping it's better now that they finished the Prentiss arc |
| [02:12:07] | wagnerrp: | oh this is going to be a good one |
| [02:15:10] | wagnerrp: | woooh! more drugs |
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| [02:25:11] | mycoDA: | more drugs – sounds good – can hardly even use a trackpoint |
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| [02:31:10] | skd5aner: | you tools – we need spoiler preventer capabilities in here :P |
| [02:31:20] | skd5aner: | I'm 2 episodes behind in Fringe |
| [02:34:29] | wagnerrp: | hey, im just talking about drugs, thats every couple episodes in fringe |
| [02:35:18] | sphery: | guh... looks like another HDD is failing (a 750GB in my remote backend) |
| [02:35:32] | sphery: | and I still don't have the one I got back after an RMA working, yet |
| [02:36:49] | sphery: | and I may not be able to watch tonight's Fringe tonight because of it (seems to be stored in the sectors that are having problems) |
| [02:37:48] | sphery: | skd5aner: and I was just talking about Abby Normal's brain |
| [02:40:31] | sphery: | and the worst part of the remote backend's hard drive failing is that the system doesn't have on-board SATA, so I either get a replacement IDE drive or have to jump through hoops and/or replace the mobo/cpu/ram |
| [02:41:53] | mycoDA: | or ide-sata, or usb-sata |
| [02:42:20] | wagnerrp: | mmm... product placement |
| [02:42:24] | mycoDA: | or put /boot on usb |
| [02:42:26] | sphery: | I have a PCI SATA card that's already using both ports |
| [02:42:38] | sphery: | but those are the hoops I'm talking about |
| [02:45:35] | wagnerrp: | yeah, sprint is paying a lot of money to keep fringe on the air |
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| [03:46:32] | skd5aner: | sprint and ford |
| [03:47:28] | skd5aner: | the product placement for the ford sync is a little over the top whenever they do it |
| [03:47:55] | skd5aner: | "Call Peter – hey, look how well that worked... it's dialing peter!" |
| [03:48:24] | wagnerrp: | yeah well... nothing beats modern family |
| [03:48:28] | wagnerrp: | and heroes was a close second |
| [03:48:50] | skd5aner: | heh – modern family can basically do no wrong in my eyes ;) |
| [03:49:12] | skd5aner: | which product placemetns are over the top? |
| [03:49:20] | skd5aner: | I don't recall any in particular? |
| [03:49:34] | skd5aner: | heroes – what a waste of way too many hours of my life |
| [03:49:51] | wagnerrp: | the ipad ad? |
| [03:50:04] | skd5aner: | yea – but I found that more funny than anything |
| [03:50:26] | skd5aner: | satirical almost |
| [03:50:28] | wagnerrp: | the whole friggen episode that was an ad for a single product |
| [03:50:42] | wagnerrp: | come children, lets sit around the animated video of a fire |
| [03:50:49] | skd5aner: | yea – basically making fun of fanbois |
| [03:50:53] | skd5aner: | but still |
| [03:51:18] | skd5aner: | In that episode I'd rather them really use the "ipad" than the "tablet 5000" or some other fictional thing |
| [03:52:07] | skd5aner: | There's been other shows, I think 30 rock might have been one of them, where they do product placement in an almost mocking kind of way |
| [03:52:19] | wagnerrp: | kormoc_afk: why swap files over a partition? |
| [03:52:21] | skd5aner: | I find that pretty fnny too |
| [03:52:25] | skd5aner: | anyway – good night! |
| [03:56:00] | sphery: | wagnerrp: How wonderful! |
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| [03:56:55] | wagnerrp: | i didnt hear that |
| [03:57:36] | sphery: | heh, well, you had to read it |
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| [03:57:56] | sphery: | strangely, I haven't gotten any HDD errors since I rebooted. |
| [03:58:05] | sphery: | still not sure how much I trust this 750 |
| [03:58:27] | sphery: | (and it's the one with the boot/root and a recordings partition) |
| [04:02:10] | ** wagnerrp is excited about cowboys fighting aliens ** | |
| [04:02:24] | sphery: | gotta say that Broyles is doing great in this episode |
| [04:02:46] | wagnerrp: | that was great |
| [04:05:13] | wagnerrp: | i thought that looked like sam rockwell |
| [04:06:48] | sphery: | wow, trailer for C&A looks great |
| [04:07:05] | wagnerrp: | it looks like good old mindless fun |
| [04:10:24] | sphery: | yeah |
| [04:11:35] | wagnerrp: | well it will be interesting to see how quickly ipv6 uptake starts happening in asia/japan/australia |
| [04:13:32] | sphery: | why there? |
| [04:13:39] | wagnerrp: | theyre out |
| [04:13:47] | sphery: | ohhh |
| [04:13:55] | wagnerrp: | theyve hit their last /8 |
| [04:13:58] | sphery: | and no new IPv4 blocks to give to them? |
| [04:14:12] | wagnerrp: | which under their last block policy, each ISP is allowed 1024 addresses of that |
| [04:15:06] | wagnerrp: | europe is expected to run out around the end of the year |
| [04:15:27] | wagnerrp: | weve still got several years worth |
| [04:15:40] | wagnerrp: | after that... its all NAT |
| [04:17:05] | sphery: | wonder if google is going to put out a public dns server on ipv6 anytime |
| [04:20:15] | GreyFoxx: | probably around ipv6 day |
| [04:20:21] | GreyFoxx: | or so the rumour goes |
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| [04:21:12] | wagnerrp: | oh... i see how mythmessage works now |
| [04:22:03] | wagnerrp: | GreyFoxx: think anyone would have a problem if i changed it to standard QString replacement syntax? |
| [04:22:17] | wagnerrp: | use %1, %2, %3... in the template |
| [04:22:29] | wagnerrp: | matching each of the args on the command line |
| [04:22:46] | GreyFoxx: | Honestly I don't know how many people even use it |
| [04:22:54] | GreyFoxx: | It's rare anyone mentions it |
| [04:23:13] | wagnerrp: | considering its new to 0.25, im sure youre right |
| [04:23:27] | GreyFoxx: | yeah but mythtvosd did |
| [04:23:40] | GreyFoxx: | and it did the same thing with similar commandline args :) |
| [04:26:29] | wagnerrp: | or, i could make unregistered options go into another qvariantmap |
| [04:26:49] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i think ill do that |
| [04:36:19] | sphery: | and it's never existed in a released version |
| [04:36:26] | sphery: | (since it's replacing the mythtvosd binary) |
| [04:36:38] | sphery: | ah, but you guys said that :) |
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| [04:44:06] | iamlindoro: | You could just use the utility in web setup to send messages ;) |
| [04:45:24] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but you wouldnt want to script something into asterisk to call the necessary webpage on an incoming call |
| [04:45:45] | wagnerrp: | at that point, it would be easier to just use 'nc' |
| [04:45:56] | wagnerrp: | (assuming netcat can do udp) |
| [04:46:31] | iamlindoro: | nah |
| [04:46:41] | iamlindoro: | the setu just calls the API service I added to send messages |
| [04:47:22] | iamlindoro: | BackendServerIP:6544/Myth/SendMessage?IPAddress=255.255.255.255&Port=6548&am p;Message=Get to bed, you're grounded |
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| [04:47:59] | wagnerrp: | so this message template mark has in here, thats the only one supported at current? |
| [04:48:28] | iamlindoro: | You'd need to ask him about mythmessage |
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| [05:53:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | Holy smokes... this SSD SCREAMS!!! Mythweb is near-instant for anything now... navigating myth menus, etc is much, much, faster... wow. |
| [05:56:46] | mycoDA: | :P |
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| [06:37:37] | markk: | wagnerrp: I have some tentative plans to extend the whole messaging functionality. record from, time, source application, message id, etc etc. maintain a global qlist of received messages and a new screen to view/manage them etc. allow plugins to register callbacks for replying to messages. I have the barebones of 'native' skype integration. libpurple provides all sorts of other messaging interfaces |
| [06:39:41] | wagnerrp: | markk: i was just wondering in relation to the command line options it needs |
| [06:40:21] | wagnerrp: | the way ive got it set up now, unhandled options are passed into an extra argument |
| [06:40:34] | wagnerrp: | which mythmessage can then loop through for string/replacement |
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| [06:42:02] | markk: | wagnerrp: sounds good (I think) |
| [06:43:07] | wagnerrp: | markk: basically, you would just run a MythWelcomeCommandLineParser::toMap("extra") |
| [06:43:25] | wagnerrp: | and get a QMap<QString,QString> of unhandled options |
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| [10:17:53] | razamatan: | i have a hauppauge wintv-pvr150. is there a way to just display the a/v coming in w/o doing any encoding (pass through) so i can play my video game consoles through my pc? |
| [10:19:39] | razamatan: | basically, do the windows analog of http://www.hauppauge.com/site/support/support . . . l#video_game |
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| [10:53:49] | mycoDA: | not in mythtv |
| [10:54:07] | mycoDA: | but in plenty of other apps yeah, mypayer, vlc, specialist tv apps |
| [10:54:15] | mycoDA: | oh, gone |
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| [12:11:56] | Scopeuk: | hi all can anyone point me in the right direction for fixing the "eit data not grabbed when tuning using channels.conf" issue |
| [12:12:46] | Scopeuk: | i cant do a full scan as this finds no channels |
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| [15:05:59] | wagnerrp: | Scopeuk-AFK: then do multiple scans using a pre-tuned transport |
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| [15:42:42] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i dont understand why mythtv should have to account for deficiencies in init systems |
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| [15:46:13] | sphery: | wagnerrp: agreed... the functionality we already have is to allow your mythtv box to wake your MySQL server host, if your don't install your MySQL server on your local host, but it would work for a broken up-and-starting init system |
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| [15:47:14] | sphery: | and its code is right around the code that the user's patch adds... don't know why he didn't see it. |
| [15:47:41] | wagnerrp: | blinders |
| [15:47:44] | sphery: | (or maybe just didn't make the leap from "Even though I don't need WOL, I can use that existing functionality to achieve my goal of waiting.") |
| [15:47:49] | wagnerrp: | i know i get them sometimes |
| [15:47:55] | sphery: | yeah |
| [15:48:19] | sphery: | focused on a specific problem, and assuming you need a specific solution, so anything different was ignored |
| [15:48:52] | sphery: | anyway, I don't see why the existing code won't work for him |
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| [15:52:11] | trumee: | skd5aner, wagnerrp: Downgrading from opensuse 11.4 to 11.3 solved my "audio buffer underrun" problem |
| [15:52:35] | trumee: | Myth-0.24 is working flawless now even with a lower alsa buffer of 64 |
| [15:53:06] | trumee: | seems the new kernel/alsa version in 11.4 is not kind to my laptop |
| [15:53:41] | wagnerrp: | pretty much anything 2.6.38 is off limits at this time |
| [15:55:11] | trumee: | wagnerrp: 11.4 has kernel 2.6.37.1 |
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| [15:56:11] | sphery: | wagnerrp: And, in truth, in the start script my init script calls (which is the same one I use for my master and remote backends), I have a MySQL server ping (mysqladmin ping) that will sleep for 1s, then 2s, then 3s, ... to 60s, then continue sleeping for 60s before allowing startup (and, the same for a remote backend "pinging" the master backend by using the bindings to connect to the MBE). Makes a lot more sense to put that kind of ... |
| [15:56:17] | sphery: | ... stuff in the script that starts MythTV rather than in MythTV. |
| [15:57:04] | wagnerrp: | i have nothing |
| [15:57:08] | wagnerrp: | but then i do netboot |
| [15:57:22] | wagnerrp: | so if the master is down, then so are all the other machines, obviously |
| [15:57:46] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
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| [16:00:08] | sphery: | in truth, if you use a hostname for the DB server that's not localhost, 127.0.0.1, or the local host name used by your backend, the ping would be used to delay startup by default |
| [16:00:28] | sphery: | but that would allow startup if the host is there--even if the DB isn't |
| [16:00:50] | sphery: | so the DB WOL is the best approach for what he needs |
| [16:01:03] | sphery: | as a matter of fact, pretty sure I wrote all this up on -users once |
| [16:01:10] | sphery: | and, IIRC, because of upstart |
| [16:02:04] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/370119#370119 |
| [16:02:19] | sphery: | actually, was because of *buntu's other great blunder--NetworkManager |
| [16:02:50] | wagnerrp: | theres nothing wrong with networkmanager when used as intended |
| [16:03:04] | wagnerrp: | and thats for laptops and other mobile systems that NEED a gui interface to networking |
| [16:03:12] | sphery: | right |
| [16:03:37] | sphery: | but not really appropriate for a server-type system where the network may not be started before the server apps |
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| [16:03:48] | wagnerrp: | and even then, the GUI pretty easily lets you tell the system it can connect immediately, and doesnt need to wait for the DM to set up, or the user to log in |
| [16:04:07] | sphery: | but *buntu really likes the idea of "one size fits all--or we'll hammer it in until it fits" |
| [16:04:08] | wagnerrp: | at which point the network is available as soon as the networkmanager daemon starts up |
| [16:04:16] | sphery: | they want "Unity" of software |
| [16:04:34] | wagnerrp: | which if the init sequence were done properly, would be one of the first things to go |
| [16:05:04] | wagnerrp: | meaning the /entire/ problem with networkmanager is just a misconfiguration on someone's part |
| [16:05:12] | sphery: | but when they started using it, that capability didn't exist, did it? |
| [16:05:17] | sphery: | or did they just do their init wrong? |
| [16:05:31] | wagnerrp: | they just did their init wrong |
| [16:05:31] | sphery: | because I know that people had to remove it or rewrite stuff to make it work |
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| [16:06:13] | sphery: | seems I'm also sleeping 2s the first time |
| [16:06:36] | wagnerrp: | i go into edit connections, wireless, home, and check off 'connect automatically' |
| [16:06:39] | wagnerrp: | and thats it |
| [16:07:06] | sphery: | yeah, but this is a whole other version of NM than the oen from Feb 2009 |
| [16:07:07] | wagnerrp: | oh, and 'available to all users' |
| [16:07:27] | sphery: | anyway, something was very broken back then |
| [16:07:30] | wagnerrp: | is it? ive been using NM on my laptop for a couple years, and its been there as long as i can remember |
| [16:07:42] | sphery: | then it must be their init scripts |
| [16:07:49] | sphery: | or their config was broken |
| [16:08:02] | sphery: | but it definitely didn't work unless the user fixed things |
| [16:13:09] | sphery: | So, the remote backend has also been getting MCEs... Maybe it's time to replace it (which would also allow me to get a nice SATA-supporting mobo) |
| [16:13:31] | sphery: | I really ought to install mcelog so I can figure out what mces are logged |
| [16:14:39] | wagnerrp: | your machine might take exception to that invasive logging |
| [16:16:44] | sphery: | heh |
| [16:27:14] | justinh: | Scopeuk-AFK: you can't do a simple dvb-t scan & find any channels? sounds like your tuner driver doesn't like AUTO parameters – and maybe the tuning timeouts & delays are too short |
| [16:28:23] | justinh: | actually I had a problem with one of my crappy USB tuners doing a full scan. it didn't like offsets & I never managed to figure out why |
| [16:28:50] | justinh: | no amount of timeout changing could fix it either |
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| [18:22:42] | cleith: | Hello |
| [18:23:05] | cleith: | When you press "w" to get metadata for videos, is it a script that runs? |
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| [18:27:11] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [18:28:49] | wagnerrp: | cleith: ^^^ |
| [18:37:29] | cleith: | do you know the name of the script or location? |
| [18:38:14] | cleith: | I think I need to override some stuff |
| [18:38:28] | cleith: | Is this info still valid? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/FillMythMetadata.pl |
| [18:38:59] | cleith: | In particular, is there a Createnfos.py script? |
| [18:39:20] | sphery: | highly doubtful that script works properly |
| [18:39:39] | wagnerrp: | fillmythmetadata.pl is not usable as a metadata grabber script |
| [18:39:56] | wagnerrp: | it was designed as a standalone, external grabber |
| [18:40:08] | wagnerrp: | and chances are it has not been properly updated to fit newer schemas |
| [18:40:15] | cleith: | OK. Is there a way to override some settings? |
| [18:40:21] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo + http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo#Metadata_Lookup + http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_File_Parsing |
| [18:40:36] | wagnerrp: | the grabbers are located in $PREFIX/share/mythtv/metadata/ |
| [18:40:50] | sphery: | + http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_Grabber_Script_Format |
| [18:41:17] | sphery: | and most importantly http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo#Metadata . . . ubleshooting |
| [18:41:38] | wagnerrp: | what settings are you wanting to override? |
| [18:41:42] | cleith: | Awesome, thanks. Looks like I have some reading to do |
| [18:41:51] | wagnerrp: | its entirely possible what you are wanting to override is not something handled by the script |
| [18:42:00] | wagnerrp: | but rather is performed internally in c++ |
| [18:42:00] | sphery: | you can probably save yourself a /lot/ of time by explaining exactly what's happening |
| [18:42:20] | wagnerrp: | the grabbers just return matches to a search |
| [18:42:27] | wagnerrp: | the internal code decides what to do with it from there |
| [18:42:42] | sphery: | wagnerrp: do you know for sure FillMythMetadata.pl isn't valid? If so, perhaps we need a works with icon on it |
| [18:42:46] | sphery: | (with an old version?) |
| [18:42:59] | wagnerrp: | sphery: according to the page, it will only work with 0.23 |
| [18:43:08] | wagnerrp: | (mentioned in the first couple lines) |
| [18:43:09] | sphery: | it says it supports 0.23 only, but I'd be surprised if it even does that properly |
| [18:43:25] | sphery: | I'd guess it's more like the MythWeb "support" for 0.23's MV |
| [18:43:41] | cleith: | I have a couple of dvds that don't match correctly, but I have found IMDb IDs that look like good fits, so I was hoping to override them somehow |
| [18:43:48] | sphery: | i.e. doesn't put proper data in place and breaks the requirements |
| [18:44:31] | wagnerrp: | so hit 'i', and select the option to manually specify the movie id |
| [18:44:41] | wagnerrp: | you should be using the TMDB ID, rather than IMDB |
| [18:44:45] | wagnerrp: | but either should work |
| [18:44:46] | cleith: | I even see in the GUI where I can override a "unique video ID" but didn't seem to help putting the IMDb values in |
| [18:44:49] | sphery: | but note that we don't use the "We steal your data" IMDb, we instead use themoviedb.org |
| [18:45:05] | sphery: | use tmdb id |
| [18:45:12] | sphery: | if there is no entry on tmdb, create one |
| [18:45:20] | sphery: | and put (original, not copied) description, etc. |
| [18:45:34] | sphery: | http://www.themoviedb.org/ |
| [18:45:35] | wagnerrp: | if the entry on tmdb does not have the matching imdb id, then using an imdb id in mythvideo will not work |
| [18:46:25] | sphery: | and fear not, themoviedb.org doesn't steal your input, like IMDb does |
| [18:47:38] | cleith: | OK, I am all for free (non-stolen) stuff. What about the artwork though if I try to add an entry? |
| [18:48:40] | wagnerrp: | themoviedb assumes any artwork you upload is user generated content, and that you have the copyright to it and are allowing them to disseminate it |
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| [18:49:41] | cleith: | hmmm... somehow I doubt the artwork I see on that site is all user generated, but I get the drift |
| [18:50:10] | wagnerrp: | yeah, and if anyone cares, thats why takedown buttons are right there |
| [18:50:28] | sphery: | the important thing is to check the license associated with the artwork (especially movie posters) and do your best to adhere to the requirements of the license |
| [18:50:46] | wagnerrp: | aside from coverart, the better images on there are generally user generated |
| [18:50:55] | wagnerrp: | while crappy stuff tends to be a screen shot |
| [18:50:56] | sphery: | agreed |
| [18:51:12] | sphery: | or a camera picture of a DVD in its case |
| [18:51:23] | sphery: | (yes, there are those) |
| [18:51:30] | sphery: | not recommending the approach, though :) |
| [18:51:34] | cleith: | lol |
| [18:52:09] | sphery: | can't speak to the license for anyof these, but http://forums.themoviedb.org/topic/383/source . . . and-posters/ lists some sources |
| [18:52:23] | cleith: | awesome |
| [18:52:34] | sphery: | http://forums.themoviedb.org/ has a search and you can find many threads about artwork/covers/posters/... |
| [18:54:16] | sphery: | cleith: oh, and as a member of the community who enjoys having a source of high-quality movie info that's not restricted by IMDb's license and stealing of copyright on all submissions, thanks for making tmdb better by adding content to it |
| [18:55:05] | cleith: | Yeah, I'll probably give it a try, I'm just worried about the artwork |
| [18:55:11] | cleith: | about finding it that is |
| [18:55:19] | cleith: | I am no artist |
| [18:55:27] | sphery: | oh, and for TV (versus movies), please use http://thetvdb.com/ |
| [18:55:57] | sphery: | I still have to try to convince tvdb to add some cast info |
| [18:56:00] | wagnerrp: | basically, the complaint about imdb is that the whole thing started out as user generated content |
| [18:56:25] | wagnerrp: | but a couple years ago, they took ownership of it all, closed up access in their TOS, and started actively blocking scrapers |
| [18:56:25] | sphery: | 99% of the reason I use these sites is to look up who cast members are ("Where have I seen that person, before?") |
| [18:56:53] | cleith: | what stops ppl from taking from imdb and adding to tmdb? I see the movie I want on imdb but not tmdb |
| [18:56:56] | sphery: | yeah, I'm not a fan of what they've done. TV.com did the same |
| [18:57:05] | sphery: | (when CNet took it over, IIRC) |
| [18:57:22] | wagnerrp: | cleith: technically, nothing |
| [18:57:25] | sphery: | now I laugh when I see incorrect information on tv.com :) |
| [18:57:35] | wagnerrp: | but if you copy verbatim, youre opening stuff up to copyright takedowns |
| [18:57:58] | sphery: | and could be putting the tmdb project in a bad position |
| [18:58:06] | cleith: | right |
| [18:58:13] | sphery: | since you have the show, just watch it, then write up your own description |
| [18:58:15] | wagnerrp: | if its something you wrote on IMDB, then you own it and can put it where ever you want |
| [18:58:21] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, yeah... use your own words |
| [18:58:35] | sphery: | as far as facts are concerned... cast members, dates, ..., you can generally just copy those from IMDb |
| [18:58:41] | cleith: | I can paraphrase |
| [18:58:51] | sphery: | be careful with paraphrasing, though |
| [18:59:02] | sphery: | i.e. changing a few words does not make it an original composition :) |
| [18:59:16] | JEDIDIAH__: | some of the plot descriptions from tv.com can be quite a hoot. especially when using 90s vulgar political rhetoric to describe a show from the 50s |
| [18:59:23] | sphery: | same goes with descriptions from TMS (Schedules Direct) or your XMLTV listings provider |
| [18:59:53] | cleith: | thanks for the help on metadata |
| [18:59:56] | sphery: | best bet is to actually watch the show and write your own description |
| [19:00:07] | sphery: | (also wonderful when the imdb description is wrong :) |
| [19:00:31] | sphery: | or, as in the case of a B sci-fi movie I watched, the title is wrong |
| [19:00:40] | cleith: | I'll try. It's Peter Rabbit. I'll probably see it so many times I'll want to purge it from myth |
| [19:01:18] | wagnerrp: | JEDIDIAH__: personally, i like the descriptions of the old silent film shorts on imdb |
| [19:01:37] | wagnerrp: | sort by year, and check out anything before 1910 or so |
| [19:02:11] | sphery: | http://www.themoviedb.org/movie/16123 ... The show is called "100 Million BC" and the plot centered around some scientists who went 70 million years back in time from the present. |
| [19:02:20] | JEDIDIAH__: | well, it was all experimental back then and it had not yet occured to anyone to censor anything. |
| [19:02:20] | sphery: | Was still worth the $1 from Redbox |
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| [19:02:43] | sphery: | (mainly for the humor of the bad-quality show) |
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| [19:03:38] | cleith: | Different question: last week I was working on mythgallery and I think there is a prob with the slideshow when there are subfolders (slideshow starts with some number of empty photos at the beginning). Who should I talk to about that? |
| [19:04:04] | sphery: | Beirdo is the one who's been most interested in MythGallery, lately, but he's not around this weekend. |
| [19:04:29] | cleith: | sphery: OK, maybe I'll catch him/her sometime |
| [19:04:33] | sphery: | he'd be most likely to know if it's by design or if it's something that should be fixed |
| [19:04:44] | cleith: | mythgallery is a nice feature |
| [19:04:54] | wagnerrp: | JEDIDIAH__: im talking about crap like this... http://www.imdb.com/user/ur2459533/comments |
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| [19:05:28] | sphery: | cleith: FWIW, him... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . ;list=mythtv |
| [19:05:35] | wagnerrp: | mythgallery could really stand to use some work |
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| [19:05:51] | cleith: | I have one other anoyance though. Thumbnails are sometimes displayed without rotation even though the actual picture is rotated correctly |
| [19:06:27] | sphery: | heh, someone added a plot keyword to 100 Million BC of "dinosaurier" |
| [19:06:29] | wagnerrp: | weve got a number of several year old feature tickets on trac for it |
| [19:06:42] | wagnerrp: | and it needs to be upgraded to storage groups |
| [19:06:43] | sphery: | isn't that what you get when you cross-breed a T-Rex and a Scottie |
| [19:07:05] | wagnerrp: | sphery: a t-rex you can hold in your lap? |
| [19:07:21] | sphery: | with curly fur |
| [19:07:22] | wagnerrp: | or a giant rat dog that eats people? |
| [19:07:36] | sphery: | heh |
| [19:07:56] | sphery: | http://www.themoviedb.org/keyword/dinosaurier |
| [19:07:59] | sphery: | ugghhh |
| [19:08:04] | sphery: | look at all the shows using that |
| [19:08:09] | sphery: | is it at least some other language? |
| [19:08:24] | cleith: | sphery: what am i looking for on gossamer-threads? |
| [19:08:31] | sphery: | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaurier German, it seems |
| [19:08:41] | sphery: | cleith: should give you his real name |
| [19:08:45] | wagnerrp: | christ... land before time 10? |
| [19:08:50] | wagnerrp: | why are they still making these things? |
| [19:09:14] | cleith: | sphery: ah, thanks |
| [19:09:37] | wagnerrp: | why does super mario brothers always get such bad ratings |
| [19:09:48] | wagnerrp: | sure it was an awful movie, but it was awful in a fun way |
| [19:10:26] | sphery: | yeah, they should really have a separate ratings scale for bad shows |
| [19:10:40] | sphery: | some are bad because they're bad, but others are bad enough to be good |
| [19:11:38] | sphery: | anyway, hoping they clean up the keywords once they allow translating them |
| [19:12:09] | wagnerrp: | considering the site even says to only use english keywords |
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| [19:13:13] | FabriceMG: | Who has already tested is hardware ? http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=150 |
| [19:14:34] | wagnerrp: | the only difference between the GP drives and the standard ones are some different timeouts in the firmware |
| [19:14:45] | wagnerrp: | and about a 50% markup |
| [19:15:38] | FabriceMG: | it's just marketing |
| [19:16:13] | FabriceMG: | thx wagnerrp |
| [19:16:14] | wagnerrp: | no, its re-tuned firmware... and marketing |
| [19:16:38] | wagnerrp: | same thing with the black and RE drives |
| [19:16:45] | wagnerrp: | same hardware, optimized firmware |
| [19:16:57] | FabriceMG: | really gain with mythv? |
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| [19:18:04] | wagnerrp: | the GPs? not really |
| [19:18:38] | wagnerrp: | they probably have some more aggressive caching strategy, and less aggressive power conservation than the greens |
| [19:19:41] | wagnerrp: | but unless youre trying to record 15MB/s+ to a single disk, you probably dont have to worry |
| [19:20:33] | trumee: | wagnerrp: mythtv-0.24 hasnt made it to portage yet :( |
| [19:20:34] | wagnerrp: | one disk per simultaneous recording is ideal, but probably 4–5 physical tuners per disk is a functional limit |
| [19:20:47] | wagnerrp: | trumee: that depends on whose portage youre using |
| [19:21:00] | trumee: | wagnerrp: i was using the main repo |
| [19:21:24] | trumee: | wagnerrp: is there any repo with myth-0.24? |
| [19:21:32] | wagnerrp: | https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/tree/master/Gentoo |
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| [19:21:55] | trumee: | wagnerrp: nice :) |
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| [19:28:01] | FabriceMG: | wagnerrp, my maximum test is 6 simultaneous record (2 HD + 4 576i) with 3 real tuner on same disk |
| [19:28:29] | FabriceMG: | with DVB-T |
| [19:28:51] | wagnerrp: | youre looking at no more than about 50Mbps, should be no problem with any modern disk |
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| [19:29:18] | ** trumee needs to make the menu of 0.24 similar to 0.23 so that his folks dont get lost ** | |
| [19:29:51] | wagnerrp: | the menu shouldnt have changed significantly |
| [19:29:57] | wagnerrp: | maybe some of the context stuff, but thats it |
| [19:30:32] | cleith: | sphery: have you uploaded to tmdb? |
| [19:30:44] | cleith: | sphery: how could I correct a tagline? |
| [19:30:52] | trumee: | wagnerrp: this is the menu of 0.23, http://www.pastie.org/1801508 |
| [19:31:01] | wagnerrp: | i dont believe you can delete taglines |
| [19:31:14] | trumee: | wagnerrp: i moved Watch TV to the top, but it is different to 0.24 |
| [19:31:22] | cleith: | can I delete the whole entry and start over? |
| [19:31:31] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [19:31:38] | wagnerrp: | only admins can delete movies |
| [19:31:56] | wagnerrp: | i thought the default menu layout was changed before 0.23 |
| [19:32:02] | cleith: | wagnerrp: OK |
| [19:33:19] | cleith: | what does myth use for coverart and background, not sure what that corresponds to on tmdb: poster? backdrop? |
| [19:33:40] | justinh: | fanart is used for backgrounds |
| [19:34:22] | cleith: | is that backdrop in tmdb speak? |
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| [19:35:15] | trumee: | i know it is not officially supported but do i need to define any paths if i install myth to /opt/myth-0.24 |
| [19:35:34] | trumee: | s/path/shell variables |
| [19:35:36] | wagnerrp: | trumee: yeah, Watch TV was moved to the bottom of the list end of june 2009 |
| [19:35:39] | wagnerrp: | so before 0.22 |
| [19:36:26] | wagnerrp: | so how you manage to have that in 0.23... you must have edited the menu theme manually |
| [19:36:35] | cleith: | justinh: if there is more than one piece of fanart (backdrop?) on tmdb, how does myth choose? |
| [19:36:45] | trumee: | wagnerrp: yes, i did move Watch TV to the top |
| [19:37:11] | trumee: | wagnerrp: there is no Media Library in 0.24 too |
| [19:37:25] | wagnerrp: | well, you know our opinions on live tv |
| [19:37:41] | wagnerrp: | yes there is, the top option in 0.24 (and 0.23, and 0.22) is Media Library |
| [19:37:53] | justinh: | cleith: in the past I think it just got the 1st one. maybe now it grabs the one with the highest rating |
| [19:38:10] | justinh: | or maybe it always did the latter & I was unlucky enough to end up with the sucky ones ;) |
| [19:38:18] | cleith: | ah, thanks |
| [19:38:38] | trumee: | i will probably remove "Browse Videos", "Video List", "Video Manager" too. "Video Gallery" is sufficient, and is similar to 0.23 |
| [19:39:00] | trumee: | wagnerrp: hmm, i dont have a Media Library in 0.24 here! |
| [19:39:12] | trumee: | wagnerrp: and i built from source today |
| [19:39:19] | wagnerrp: | trumee: not sure how you would remove those, since those are only available through a hard-coded context menu |
| [19:39:54] | trumee: | wagnerrp: is it possible to move "Video Gallery" to the top? |
| [19:39:54] | wagnerrp: | and similarly, that behavior has not changed since 0.22 |
| [19:39:58] | justinh: | loads of UK TV shows on thetvdb.com have awful fanart |
| [19:40:04] | wagnerrp: | if you change the c++ code, sure |
| [19:40:15] | trumee: | wagnerrp: not thru menu xml file? |
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| [19:40:55] | trumee: | wagnerrp: btw my top menu is, Tv, Internet Video, Music, Videos, Images, Games.... I dont have Media Library |
| [19:41:14] | wagnerrp: | perhaps you are using something other than the 'default' menu theme? |
| [19:41:20] | trumee: | wagnerrp: ah |
| [19:41:30] | FabriceMG: | did you know XBMC + MythBox addon? |
| [19:41:36] | justinh: | sigh |
| [19:41:47] | justinh: | FabriceMG: this isn't really the place to ask about that |
| [19:41:50] | trumee: | wagnerrp: MythCenter-wide |
| [19:42:01] | wagnerrp: | menu theme, not UI theme |
| [19:42:04] | justinh: | not if you want to hear much positive about it ;) |
| [19:42:40] | FabriceMG: | justinh, no no no no, It's the place now |
| [19:42:48] | justinh: | FabriceMG: oh no it isn't |
| [19:42:51] | wagnerrp: | whats what place? |
| [19:42:53] | trumee: | wagnerrp: i havent come across menu themes? |
| [19:43:09] | FabriceMG: | MythBox addon use Mythtv protocol in trunk version |
| [19:43:10] | justinh: | FabriceMG: it's a plugin thingy for XBMC. nothing to do with anybody here |
| [19:43:33] | wagnerrp: | "It's the place now"... i dont know what you mean by that |
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| [19:43:48] | trumee: | wagnerrp: Found mainmenu.xml for theme 'MythCenter-wide' |
| [19:43:53] | wagnerrp: | that sentence, it makes no sense |
| [19:44:03] | justinh: | FabriceMG: oh yeah, that's the kind of code-stuffing workaround which is soon going away :-) |
| [19:44:27] | justinh: | FabriceMG: they don't *know* what version of protocol they should speak, so the plugin *lies* |
| [19:44:41] | justinh: | they're hoping that no harm will come from just winging it |
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| [19:44:50] | wagnerrp: | justinh: actually, mythbox isnt bad with how it connects to the backend |
| [19:45:03] | wagnerrp: | but xbmc itself, which communicates directly for purposes of playback, lies |
| [19:45:16] | wagnerrp: | mythbox is little more than a menu interface |
| [19:45:27] | justinh: | still though, it's not part of the mythtv project – and if you have a problem with it, that isn't our concern here :) |
| [19:45:37] | wagnerrp: | spot on |
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| [19:45:57] | justinh: | wagnerrp: oh, AFAIK it talks to the DB directly.. there be dragons |
| [19:46:11] | justinh: | or it certainly used to |
| [19:46:18] | wagnerrp: | there is that, it doesnt do schema checking |
| [19:46:29] | FabriceMG: | but if 1 guys have one problem with the mythtv protocol, this channel is good place, no? |
| [19:46:45] | justinh: | FabriceMG: no, because the client you're using has nothing to do with this project |
| [19:47:16] | justinh: | last time I used that python thing on XBMC you had to edit a config file to tell it what protocol version to say it was using |
| [19:47:18] | FabriceMG: | YOU ARE NOT FAIRPLAY justinh |
| [19:47:18] | wagnerrp: | are you trying to program using the myth protocol? |
| [19:47:28] | FabriceMG: | yep |
| [19:47:31] | wagnerrp: | or are you looking for assistance with some 3rd party application that uses myth protocol? |
| [19:47:31] | justinh: | they added a setting, IIRC |
| [19:48:43] | cleith: | stupid question: how do I take a screenshot of playback (video)? |
| [19:48:56] | wagnerrp: | the print screen button |
| [19:49:15] | cleith: | Great, where does the file go? |
| [19:49:27] | wagnerrp: | somewhere in ~/.mythtv/ i believe |
| [19:49:36] | cleith: | awesome, thanks again |
| [19:49:47] | wagnerrp: | or, you can pull a screenshot over the http server |
| [19:51:28] | wagnerrp: | FabriceMG: if you are actually looking to write code that intefaces with the protocol, we can help you here, or in the dev channel |
| [19:51:58] | wagnerrp: | if you are looking to use someone else's code that interfaces with the protocol, and it is not working, then you need to inquire where ever they provide support |
| [19:52:04] | trumee: | are there any binaries of mythtv frontend for windows? |
| [19:52:20] | justinh: | heh. i.e. join the 5000-post long thread on a forum :D |
| [19:52:31] | [R]: | i think someone makes some crappy windows binaries somewhere |
| [19:52:31] | wagnerrp: | and for what its worth, mythbox is generally considered obsolete, and an integrated C replacement is in the works |
| [19:52:33] | cleith: | wagnerrp: hmmm... does that work for videos? I just got a black screen |
| [19:53:14] | [R]: | why is it... taht every time i hit 'i' from watch recordings screen the font is always WAYYYY too small? |
| [19:53:16] | FabriceMG: | well, now , (soon), 1 guys work in mythbox addon for xbmc, and I use mythtv protcol, just that at this time, beta version , more bug |
| [19:53:18] | wagnerrp: | cleith: it was broken previously, but i believe it was fixed prior to 0.24 |
| [19:53:36] | cleith: | wagnerrp: OK, that the only way to get a screengrab? |
| [19:53:54] | wagnerrp: | i mean the http server capture was broken |
| [19:53:59] | justinh: | they speak English in WHAT? |
| [19:54:09] | wagnerrp: | the screenshot... not sure, always worked the handful of times ive tried |
| [19:54:15] | sphery: | cleith: On the movie page is a little icon of a pencil next to "Movie Facts". Click on that, and an the "Facts" tab, you should see the Tagline (en) field. |
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| [19:56:26] | FabriceMG: | wagnerrp, justinh, it's not me the autor of mythbox addon |
| [19:57:06] | wagnerrp: | FabriceMG: you might want to see http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?t=82015 |
| [19:57:39] | justinh: | 46 pages of ONE thread? |
| [19:57:59] | FabriceMG: | no , it's one other addon |
| [19:59:11] | justinh: | FabriceMG: so I gather from what you've said, that you're trying to use the XBMC mythbox plugin & it only speaks the trunk protocol version? when English isn't your first language you're going to have to try to make yourself more clear |
| [19:59:44] | wagnerrp: | justinh: actually, the release mythbox plugin only speaks 0.23 and previous |
| [20:00:09] | justinh: | heh |
| [20:00:16] | justinh: | so trying to make mythbox work WITH trunk |
| [20:00:37] | justinh: | time to contact whoever makes the mythbox plugin.. He says YET AGAIN |
| [20:01:19] | sphery: | If only someone had made a nice frontend for the MythTV backend server... |
| [20:01:24] | justinh: | be interesting to see if the pVR addons for XBMC present everything as ONEBIGLIST (tm) or whether it'll do group browsing etc |
| [20:01:31] | sphery: | Such a shame there is none, and we have to rely on 3rd parties to create one. |
| [20:01:37] | justinh: | true, dat |
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| [20:01:48] | justinh: | I had to make my own in perl.. man |
| [20:02:14] | sphery: | should have just replaced the backend server at the same time--wouldn't have taken but an extra 100 LOC or so |
| [20:02:24] | iamlindoro: | justinh, hahaha |
| [20:02:43] | iamlindoro: | justinh, but on the other hand you avoided all that code bloat and did it in 190 lines? |
| [20:03:06] | sphery: | I'm still waiting for the bash frontend |
| [20:03:15] | justinh: | yeah it's just a perl script that lets me log into the box via my laptop & play the files manually via ssh |
| [20:03:24] | sphery: | after all, I'm a stickler for using the right tool for the job |
| [20:03:30] | justinh: | my wife tells me what she wants to watch next, so that's kinda like remote control |
| [20:03:37] | iamlindoro: | mysql -e 'select * from recorded' > recordings.txt|sed... |
| [20:03:49] | iamlindoro: | there, got you started |
| [20:04:01] | sphery: | nice... maybe I can finish one in the next couple of hours |
| [20:04:09] | iamlindoro: | here, I'll start you on mythbashvideo too |
| [20:04:21] | sphery: | Either that, or I could go for a run. One of them would be a waste of time. |
| [20:04:21] | iamlindoro: | mysql -e 'select * from videometadata' > videos.txt|sed... |
| [20:04:21] | justinh: | sphery: use clutter. the UI will rawk |
| [20:04:29] | sphery: | I was thinking Flash. |
| [20:04:37] | iamlindoro: | sphery, I'm just back from my second run of the day, better catch up |
| [20:04:37] | sphery: | Everyone knows that Flash has the best animation API ever created |
| [20:04:46] | sphery: | 2 runs in one day! |
| [20:04:49] | sphery: | that's crazy |
| [20:04:53] | iamlindoro: | Still have a bike to do |
| [20:05:08] | sphery: | I really have to start getting up before dawn so I can do a run when it's not too hot |
| [20:05:12] | justinh: | sure there's a word missing from that sentence... |
| [20:05:16] | sphery: | (though it's /very/ humid before dawn...) |
| [20:05:31] | sphery: | maybe I need to move |
| [20:06:00] | sphery: | justinh: you haven't seen his web site, I take it. |
| [20:06:16] | sphery: | I only did a one-month subscription--couldn't afford the year |
| [20:06:31] | justinh: | ??? |
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| [20:06:43] | sphery: | iamlindoro's web site... with him and his bike |
| [20:07:02] | sphery: | nvm... bad joke |
| [20:07:09] | iamlindoro: | har har |
| [20:07:27] | justinh: | WTH... they go ON AND ON AND ON AND FRICKIN **ON** about polish in the frickin UI.. and yet, there's frickin DUST & CRUD & CRAP on buttons on their high res background artwork |
| [20:07:52] | sphery: | seems the polish they're talking about is not Lemon Pledge |
| [20:08:11] | justinh: | the frick has removed all the power from my ranting |
| [20:08:58] | justinh: | maybe photos of CLEAN AV gear cost more or something |
| [20:09:19] | iamlindoro: | They mean Polish as in, "from Krakow" |
| [20:09:53] | justinh: | look out for my next theme, where the icon for key editing will feature a pube sticking out from under the 'H' key – if you look close enough |
| [20:10:08] | sphery: | lol |
| [20:10:30] | sphery: | ShortAndCurly-wide |
| [20:10:48] | justinh: | UnidentifiableStain-wide |
| [20:14:16] | trumee: | it seems my frontend is using classic/mainmenu.xml and classic/tvmenu.xml files. But i cant find the file for the "Videos" menu |
| [20:19:25] | trumee: | wagnerrp: it seems my frontend is using classic/mainmenu.xml and classic/tvmenu.xml files. But i cant find the file for the "Videos" menu |
| [20:20:12] | wagnerrp: | there is no 'Videos' menu, it is generated by the plugin |
| [20:20:24] | trumee: | wagnerrp: uh oh! |
| [20:20:35] | wagnerrp: | only the top two levels of menu come from the menu text files |
| [20:21:48] | trumee: | wagnerrp: in 0.23, "Watch Videos" would directly open the gallery view. |
| [20:22:42] | wagnerrp: | no, in 0.23, Watch Videos would open mythvideo to whatever view you had defined in the database to use |
| [20:23:07] | trumee: | wagnerrp: right. But now we have 3 redundant choices |
| [20:23:58] | trumee: | wagnerrp: I only need "Video Gallery", but dont care for "Browse Videos" and "Video List" |
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| [20:24:24] | wagnerrp: | thats fine |
| [20:24:37] | trumee: | wagnerrp: so one has to click on the remote 2 times to get to "Video Gallery" |
| [20:24:41] | wagnerrp: | go into the mythvideo settings, set gallery as the default view, and never look at that setting again |
| [20:24:49] | trumee: | wagnerrp: ah! |
| [20:25:42] | wagnerrp: | same behavior mythvideo has been since i started using it |
| [20:26:37] | trumee: | wagnerrp: i cant find the "view settings" in Videos Settings |
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| [20:27:19] | wagnerrp: | i dont have a copy i can pull up currently to find it |
| [20:29:08] | justinh: | heh. not many times I've seen a program without an easily visible exit option |
| [20:29:18] | justinh: | they're heading for Android app status |
| [20:29:26] | wagnerrp: | mythtv doesnt have one |
| [20:29:30] | trumee: | wagnerrp: Nothing in Videos settings > General settings |
| [20:30:10] | justinh: | no but you can keep going back & back & back in the menus & it appears |
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| [20:33:00] | cleith: | Later, thanks all |
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| [20:33:27] | trumee: | wagnerrp: so if i manage to set it. I will only get the "Video gallery" view? http://imgur.com/4P70C |
| [20:34:15] | wagnerrp: | if you set that as the default, when you enter mythvideo, it will use that view |
| [20:34:30] | wagnerrp: | you will still be able to access the other views through the context menu |
| [20:34:42] | justinh: | well, on the basis that I've just spend 5 minutes trying to exit XBMC it's getting uninstalled now |
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| [20:35:29] | trumee: | wagnerrp: crap! i cant find that setting |
| [20:36:03] | wagnerrp: | http://imgur.com/gallery/mtH8G |
| [20:37:53] | trumee: | wagnerrp: is that Terra theme? |
| [20:38:27] | wagnerrp: | is that a joke due to the brown background? |
| [20:38:42] | trumee: | wagnerrp: :) |
| [20:38:59] | trumee: | wagnerrp: i thought for a sec that you posted your mythvideo view |
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| [20:47:06] | wagnerrp: | hmm... seems some people think that with opensolaris effectively dead, zfs development will move to freebsd |
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| [22:53:18] | mycoserve: | oracle, could you suck any harder? |
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| [23:14:56] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ah, now my commits aren't purple in my tickets folder |
| [23:15:12] | sphery: | (i.e. no indication that I'm the one committing/pushing them) :( |
| [23:16:09] | sphery: | that said, the auto-milestone thing is awesome |
| [23:18:51] | sphery: | Guess I need to rewrite mythtv/mythtv-use_logpath_argument.patch |
| [23:19:08] | sphery: | (though it should be /much/ easier now that you've switched everything to use the new command line parser) |
| [23:21:07] | wagnerrp: | yeah, ive got everything moved over, just need to push it to my branch |
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| [23:21:42] | wagnerrp: | you should be able to get the addLogFile method to programmatically assign a default value based off the command name |
| [23:22:37] | wagnerrp: | right now, its blank |
| [23:22:51] | wagnerrp: | but you could have it do /var/log/mythtv/<m_appname>.log |
| [23:23:10] | sphery: | yeah, I have some logic that will allow it to work with all the different use cases we'll need |
| [23:23:48] | wagnerrp: | so they could then use '--logfile' alone to have it log to the default |
| [23:23:54] | sphery: | I'll take a look at it later... Just thought it was funny that you did the hard part faster than I did the "quick change until the hard part is done" |
| [23:23:57] | wagnerrp: | or '--logfile some_path' to specify otherwise |
| [23:24:14] | sphery: | yeah, I'll work it in |
| [23:25:03] | wagnerrp: | well i mean you change the one line in mythcommandlineparser.cpp, and that default now takes effect in all programs that support a log file |
| [23:25:07] | wagnerrp: | same thing with pidfile |
| [23:25:20] | sphery: | right |
| [23:25:25] | sphery: | but there's more to my patch than just that |
| [23:25:38] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [23:25:38] | sphery: | just give me a chance to catch up with stuff |
| [23:27:29] | wagnerrp: | well i was talking to danielk earlier, and he had a couple concerns |
| [23:27:48] | wagnerrp: | lack of preparse... but since the whole thing is parsed at once, which may very well be before QApplication, that shouldnt be an issue |
| [23:28:28] | wagnerrp: | the add() method makes it a bit too easy to have non-standard options |
| [23:28:45] | wagnerrp: | but hopefully the add<option_set>() methods will prevent that |
| [23:29:05] | wagnerrp: | and the use of qvariant causes a dynamic typing risk |
| [23:29:43] | wagnerrp: | now hopefully ive prevented that by all the to<type>() methods, since they will just return an empty value if the data cannot be converted |
| [23:29:55] | wagnerrp: | but thats one well have to be conscious of |
| [23:30:21] | sphery: | too easy to have non-standard options meaning that people might not realize the option they want was already defined elsewhere? |
| [23:31:00] | wagnerrp: | right now, i do testing with canConvert(), but that can be replaced with absolute type testing if needed |
| [23:31:14] | wagnerrp: | im not really sure what his concern with that one was |
| [23:31:28] | wagnerrp: | since the existing system is just as easy to do such |
| [23:31:34] | sphery: | well, I still think it's better than the before :) |
| [23:31:46] | wagnerrp: | especially considering the existing system has the parsing loop outside |
| [23:31:51] | sphery: | I'm sure there's room for improvement, but I've never seen software that lacked said room |
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| [23:33:26] | sphery: | JavaScript DoS |
| [23:34:09] | sphery: | Stupid github "parse and style a changeset character by character using JavaScript"... Just as bad as Trac's. |
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| [23:44:02] | wizbit: | i am the new dustybin :D |
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| [23:44:45] | wizbit: | i have ordered a new dell IPS monitor, ready to create some new themes |
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| [23:47:42] | wizbit: | i have a horrible feeling iamlindoro will ban or de-voice me at some point, however, im not hiding |
| [23:48:15] | ** iamlindoro checks ammo ** | |
| [23:48:28] | iamlindoro: | Only took you three lines to needlessly highlight me, so that doesn't bode well |
| [23:48:42] | cesman: | lol |
| [23:48:52] | ** cesman was wondering why he did that... ** | |
| [23:49:09] | wagnerrp: | i dont see 'dustybin' in the channel ban list |
| [23:49:21] | iamlindoro: | The admission of who he actually is could have scrolled right by and I would never have been the wiser |
| [23:50:15] | wagnerrp: | !seen dustybin |
| [23:50:15] | MythLogBot: | dustybin was last seen 76 days 13 hours 54 minutes 22 seconds ago |
| [23:50:23] | wagnerrp: | wow... been that long... |
| [23:50:29] | [R]: | that's what she said |
| [23:50:30] | wizbit: | iamlindoro: i am Determined |
| [23:50:45] | wizbit: | i have ordered a nice panel |
| [23:50:54] | iamlindoro: | determined to do what is really the question |
| [23:51:32] | wizbit: | sure i could i hide and pretend, but its me |
| [23:51:50] | wagnerrp: | if youre not hiding, why change the name? |
| [23:52:02] | wizbit: | dustybin can not say anything |
| [23:52:28] | iamlindoro: | pretty sure I undid that months and months ago |
| [23:52:38] | iamlindoro: | in fact, pretty sure it was while you were still present |
| [23:52:45] | wagnerrp is now known as dustybin | |
| [23:52:47] | dustybin: | testing |
| [23:52:50] | dustybin is now known as wagnerrp | |
| [23:52:51] | wizbit: | as strict and hard as you guys are, i still love you :D |
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