| Wednesday, April 13th, 2011, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:19] | blinki: | I dont suppose the database is portable |
| [00:01:07] | sphery: | set up the dummy capture device you started to set up |
| [00:01:10] | sphery: | but finish the process |
| [00:01:10] | wagnerrp: | what do you mean by that? |
| [00:01:24] | wagnerrp: | portable how? |
| [00:01:43] | kisak: | I believe backup and restore scripts are provided, you do not need to restore to the same system |
| [00:02:14] | wagnerrp: | right, the only thing preventing you from moving the database from one system to the next is the stored hostnames |
| [00:02:22] | wagnerrp: | and the restore scripts have a utility to migrate those |
| [00:02:52] | kisak: | and don't forget to check mysql permissions afterward |
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| [00:08:11] | GreyFoxx: | Beirdo: I was hopeful at first, but after 3 slave stop/starts it crashed, and the last line on the master was AutoExpire |
| [00:08:20] | GreyFoxx: | Gonna see if I can get a useful bt |
| [00:13:53] | Beirdo: | K |
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| [00:14:10] | Beirdo: | it's likely still related in there somehow :) |
| [00:15:02] | GreyFoxx: | hehe and now it doesn't want to crash again running under gdb hehe |
| [00:15:20] | Beirdo: | frigging heisenbugs |
| [00:15:50] | GreyFoxx: | hehe ok, this time I made it spit out a core file |
| [00:16:30] | blinki: | well, I'm on the gentoo box and there's no cards, no channels, only a default storage group |
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| [00:19:20] | blinki: | I guess I could just pick up and move the old to the new |
| [00:20:30] | GreyFoxx: | Beirdo: Since current thinking is it's AutoExpire related... I started the master with --noautoexpire, and so far I can't make it crash. I don't autoexpire anything anyway so It's not a big problem for me for now. But the backtrace looks similar to the previous ones for the time it did crash |
| [00:20:42] | GreyFoxx: | the spots with no debug symbols are all the QT stuff |
| [00:21:15] | Beirdo: | hmmm, OK, I guess I'lll need to dig into that again |
| [00:21:28] | GreyFoxx: | yeah, 20 restarts with no crash yet |
| [00:21:45] | blinki: | I'll use mythconverg_backup/restore and copy the home dir |
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| [00:31:49] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: one more thing --- recs = be.getRecordings() recs[1] is what object? Program or Recorded? I suppose it doesn't matter as open() should be on both yes? |
| [00:33:09] | wagnerrp: | any data you get from a MythBE command will be a Program |
| [00:33:20] | wagnerrp: | and yes, both should support the open() call |
| [00:34:43] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: what I am trying to do is create a http server using python and pass a programs file handler to it when a request is made ;) |
| [00:35:32] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: my first attempts at this cause this exception "TypeError: send() argument 1 must be convertible to a buffer, not RecordFileTransfer" |
| [00:36:32] | wagnerrp: | that looks like some specific problem with your http server of choice |
| [00:36:56] | wagnerrp: | the RecordFileTransfer provides the same read/write/seek/... calls as a typical file class |
| [00:37:20] | wagnerrp: | if you know what its looking for in a 'buffer', i can see what i can do |
| [00:38:15] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: ok, I think I may have just found something, what content header should I be passing I wonder (goes to look it up) |
| [00:38:23] | ekristen: | rather content type |
| [00:38:36] | wagnerrp: | alternatively, the http server could be using static typing, which would simply not allow it to use an external file object |
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| [00:38:46] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to the recommended 'duck typing' |
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| [00:40:01] | ekristen: | hrm well this time I don't get an exception, but nothing streams :( |
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| [00:40:46] | ekristen: | when I browse to the http service in the browser quicktime starts to load, but says it can't find the file, hrm ... |
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| [00:41:54] | wagnerrp: | another thing to note, if you have active recordings, preview generation events have been known to cause problems with the event handing in the bindings |
| [00:42:34] | ekristen: | good to know, I'll keep that in mind |
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| [00:42:39] | ekristen: | so new error |
| [00:42:54] | ekristen: | AttributeError: 'RecordFileTransfer' object has no attribute 'flush' |
| [00:42:54] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but its just something that would disrupt streaming in progress |
| [00:43:00] | ekristen: | oh gotcha |
| [00:43:11] | wagnerrp: | if youre not getting it running at all... well youre not to that point yet |
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| [00:44:04] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: http://pastebin.ca/2045645 |
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| [00:44:31] | ekristen: | so if I set s.wfile to the file handler I get an error of object not having a flush command |
| [00:45:12] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: traceback http://pastebin.ca/2045646 |
| [00:45:37] | wagnerrp: | looks like that would need to be a noop |
| [00:47:25] | ekristen: | oh def flush: pass? |
| [00:47:39] | wagnerrp: | looks like it |
| [00:48:08] | wagnerrp: | "This may be a no-op on some file-like objects." |
| [00:48:37] | ekristen: | hrm, ok well that gets rid of that error |
| [00:49:16] | ekristen: | now I am not getting an errors but the file isn't playable, at least chrome says its a media file, mainly because I am passing video/mpeg as the content type but no choice to play |
| [00:49:27] | ekristen: | perhaps I am missing some necessary headers |
| [00:49:48] | wagnerrp: | can you just try downloading the file and see what you get? |
| [00:50:16] | ekristen: | hrm, I wonder how I would do that |
| [00:50:26] | wagnerrp: | wget? |
| [00:51:23] | ekristen: | oh I need to write the data |
| [00:51:34] | ekristen: | hrm write expects an argument ... |
| [00:51:42] | ** ekristen goes to look at the source ** | |
| [00:51:52] | wagnerrp: | write what? |
| [00:51:57] | wagnerrp: | programs will open as read-only |
| [00:52:24] | wagnerrp: | or do you mean write to the http socket? |
| [00:52:37] | ekristen: | well I set the wfile to the file handler I think for the data to get outputted for something to pick it up (ie browser, vlc, wget) I need to call wfile.write() |
| [00:52:43] | ekristen: | yes write to the socket |
| [00:53:05] | ekristen: | and I see that the object has a 'def write' but expects a data input, so I am looking to see what that is |
| [00:53:06] | ekristen: | brb |
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| [00:57:48] | wagnerrp: | ekristen: had you tried just using the XML interface to stream the files? |
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| [01:09:06] | tmkt: | Ola |
| [01:09:24] | tmkt: | Hey erik |
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| [01:19:00] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: no seek capabilities |
| [01:19:10] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: and I haven't been able to get it to work recently |
| [01:19:12] | ekristen: | not sure why |
| [01:19:16] | ekristen: | tmkt: hello |
| [01:20:48] | wagnerrp: | ah... didnt realize it couldnt seek |
| [01:21:33] | ekristen: | I wish I could pull the preview image via the backend or database instead of the XML interface too, I don't like the XML interface I've found it to be unreliable :( |
| [01:22:07] | wagnerrp: | well if its any consolation, it has been completely rewritten |
| [01:22:49] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: I did read that, for 0.25 right? It'll be nice to see what changes or performance enhancements have been introduced :) |
| [01:27:04] | wagnerrp: | it seems to be as much to facilitate the backend setup as anything else |
| [01:32:47] | Gumby: | this might be a long shot as its not necessarily mythtv related, but is it possible to compile only one module from the v4l-dvb tree? doing all modules in the tree is uber slow on an acer revo |
| [01:35:18] | wagnerrp: | plus theres the whole issue of Acer Revos not having expansion slots to use with those drivers |
| [01:37:20] | Gumby: | usb |
| [01:38:11] | Gumby: | but yes, no need to compile all the modules. I really only need one or two (dvb_usb and dvb_usb_gp8psk) |
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| [01:41:18] | wagnerrp: | why not just leave the USB tuners on your master backend |
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| [01:44:16] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: why does the write function of FileTransfer require a data argument? |
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| [01:44:39] | Gumby: | well, I could try that yes. Right now that is what I have, but for other reasons (that can't be discussed here) it will not work |
| [01:45:43] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: nm |
| [01:46:02] | wagnerrp: | ekristen: because... it needs data to write to the remote file? |
| [01:46:04] | wagnerrp: | :P |
| [01:46:26] | ekristen: | yeah, sorry going back and forth with read/write with http I got them reversed in my head |
| [01:46:28] | ekristen: | ;) |
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| [01:48:22] | ekristen: | whoops think i crashed my backend |
| [01:48:56] | wagnerrp: | its not difficult to crash the backend when messing with the protocol |
| [01:49:47] | mycoDA: | GreyFoxx – know it is HOURS ago – but must not be the best protocol to drop the F Bomb, even if it is git related rofl |
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| [01:50:17] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: true |
| [01:50:29] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: why does read require a size? I want to read the entire file |
| [01:50:33] | mycoDA: | *may |
| [01:50:53] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: also when I tried making the size 10mb thats what crashed the backend, or at least locked it up |
| [01:51:17] | wagnerrp: | ekristen: read() does not return until it has read all the information |
| [01:51:33] | wagnerrp: | in a recording, thats meaning buffering a several GB file in memory |
| [01:51:56] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: read is telling me that it needs an argument of size |
| [01:52:10] | wagnerrp: | for the above reasons |
| [01:52:15] | wagnerrp: | size in bytes |
| [01:52:35] | ekristen: | :/ |
| [01:52:48] | ekristen: | so guess I need to figure out how to stream with http ;) |
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| [02:09:43] | kormoc: | read a block, write a block, flush, repeat |
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| [02:23:26] | sphery: | kormoc: speaking of reading stuff... if I'm getting SATA/NCQ failures (on the disk returned from Seagate after I RMA'ed a dead 1.5TB of mine), and seem to be able to stop the failures by libata.force=noncq (haven't tried just echo 1 > /sys/block/sda/device/queue_depth , yet, but have confirmed with noncq that queue_depth goes from 31 to 1), would you have a guess as to what's the most likely cause of the problem? kernel, SATA ... |
| [02:23:26] | sphery: | ... controller, HDD firmware, HDD electronics, ...? |
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| [02:24:42] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: almost have success! ;) |
| [02:27:49] | ekristen: | omg! it is working, but it is buffer weirdly, I am wondering if I need to change the file read length |
| [02:28:50] | wagnerrp: | buffer length should be something under 128K |
| [02:29:09] | wagnerrp: | thats the largest the bindings will autoscale up to in the transfers, before buffering automatically |
| [02:29:37] | wagnerrp: | note that if it is getting incomplete data from the backend, it will step back the requests internally |
| [02:29:59] | ekristen: | well i started out at read size of 1024 and moved up, at 4096, still not exactly a steady stream, the initial seems work work, then it goes all funky and dies |
| [02:30:15] | wagnerrp: | thats pretty small |
| [02:30:21] | wagnerrp: | youre going to get a lot of overhead from that size |
| [02:30:36] | wagnerrp: | fuse (or maybe samba) calls at 64K intervals |
| [02:30:50] | wagnerrp: | and i can pull around 25MB/s before peaking out on my 1.8GHz opteron |
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| [02:31:09] | ekristen: | changed it to 128000 |
| [02:31:16] | ekristen: | omg, seems to be working! |
| [02:31:18] | ekristen: | omg omg omg omg |
| [02:31:22] | ekristen: | this might just work |
| [02:31:22] | ekristen: | lol |
| [02:31:56] | ekristen: | dang but it does look like I have stream capabilities |
| [02:31:58] | ekristen: | err |
| [02:32:11] | ekristen: | seek, vlc is registering 00:00 as total time |
| [02:32:17] | ekristen: | hrm |
| [02:33:10] | ekristen: | maybe Content-Lenght? |
| [02:33:12] | ekristen: | Lenght* |
| [02:33:14] | ekristen: | Length* |
| [02:33:39] | wagnerrp: | so you just needed to add that 'flush()' method? |
| [02:34:09] | ekristen: | not sure what flush does exactly for now I added a noop for it in the RecordFileTransfer |
| [02:34:42] | wagnerrp: | flush just flushes asynchronous IO to device |
| [02:34:50] | ekristen: | yeah looks like flush might be needed |
| [02:34:54] | wagnerrp: | but since i dont do anything asynchronous, its always flushed |
| [02:34:59] | ekristen: | ah |
| [02:34:59] | ekristen: | ok |
| [02:35:04] | wagnerrp: | ill add commit that in tonight |
| [02:35:09] | wagnerrp: | working on some other stuff currently |
| [02:35:36] | ekristen: | ok |
| [02:35:36] | ekristen: | np |
| [02:35:37] | ekristen: | thanks |
| [02:35:43] | ekristen: | hrm video just froze |
| [02:35:53] | ekristen: | no error thrown in the python http server though |
| [02:35:54] | ekristen: | :/ |
| [02:36:13] | ekristen: | can I get file size from the Program or Recorded object? |
| [02:36:23] | wagnerrp: | both, yes |
| [02:36:30] | wagnerrp: | but not video |
| [02:36:47] | wagnerrp: | or no, i do look it up for video |
| [02:36:52] | wagnerrp: | had to to make that work |
| [02:37:13] | ekristen: | looks like I might need to add Content-Range and Content-Length to my headers |
| [02:37:24] | wagnerrp: | all of those FileTransfer classes, you can seek to the end of the file and get a tell |
| [02:37:34] | wagnerrp: | the Program and Recorded classes specifically have a file size in them |
| [02:38:12] | ekristen: | what is it Program.filesize? |
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| [02:38:46] | wagnerrp: | good a guess as any |
| [02:38:58] | wagnerrp: | i dont remember off hand |
| [02:44:31] | ekristen: | ok so still no seek :( but I am getting closer |
| [02:45:01] | kormoc: | sphery, that's the drive's controller acting up |
| [02:45:39] | sphery: | kormoc: :( that's what I feared |
| [02:45:46] | sphery: | guess I should contact Seagate about it |
| [02:46:03] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [02:46:38] | ekristen: | video keeps freezing, can't figure out why |
| [02:47:00] | sphery: | thanks for the opii |
| [02:47:04] | sphery: | opinion |
| [02:47:26] | sphery: | (power blip... messing with my cable modem) |
| [02:48:58] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you think anyone ever uses these --get-setting options? (or even knows they exist) |
| [02:49:09] | sphery: | probably not |
| [02:49:17] | wagnerrp: | gone |
| [02:49:21] | sphery: | I'd be fine with that |
| [02:49:28] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [02:49:38] | sphery: | stuartm knows they exist... don't know how he feels about them |
| [02:49:51] | Beirdo: | those might make debugging easier once we have embedded db though |
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| [02:49:58] | sphery: | but with the API stuff... seems we could get rid of it? |
| [02:50:07] | Beirdo: | oh yeah, right :) |
| [02:50:23] | Beirdo: | we have a better way now :) |
| [02:51:02] | kormoc: | ekristen, depending on the format you're streaming, you might need to handle http byte range requests so it can get the header info (at the end of the file) before it starts to play |
| [02:51:05] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [02:51:34] | kormoc: | ekristen, it's non-trivial to stream in progress recordings for h264/mpeg4 formats |
| [02:51:35] | ekristen: | kormoc: awesome tip thanks |
| [02:51:59] | ekristen: | well these are straight up recordings from myth so mpeg2 in my case |
| [02:52:17] | wagnerrp: | ekristen: hopefully pre-recorded? |
| [02:52:24] | ekristen: | yes |
| [02:52:30] | kormoc: | if your source is CBR, a content-length header should be enough to give you seeking (with byte ranges implemented) |
| [02:52:34] | ekristen: | not files being written to |
| [02:53:13] | kormoc: | ekristen, you can look at the mpeg2 streaming we have in mythweb, we implement pretty much all the easy requirements for direct streaming. |
| [02:53:52] | ekristen: | kormoc: thanks, it should be pretty easy to re-implement in python, hopefully ;) |
| [02:57:47] | wagnerrp: | sphery: any reason for the backend to be pulling --infile and --outfile, with the preview generator split? |
| [02:58:58] | sphery: | wagnerrp: none I can think of |
| [02:59:06] | sphery: | I think they just got left by accident |
| [02:59:33] | sphery: | same for chanid/starttime |
| [02:59:42] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [03:00:11] | sphery: | I'm still wondering when you'll get to my other todos... Replace my front door, mow the lawn, ... |
| [03:02:17] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:02:25] | Beirdo: | got him doing the todo list now too, eh? |
| [03:02:38] | sphery: | yep, that's my MO |
| [03:02:58] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:03:06] | wagnerrp: | ok, all thats left is pulling the custom arguments out of mythfrontend and mythavtest |
| [03:03:21] | sphery: | I'm like an effective manager--but only because I'm so ineffective at finishing my own stuff that other people do it instead of waiting on me |
| [03:03:33] | sphery: | nice work |
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| [03:06:09] | wagnerrp: | im just going to leave --upgrade-schema out of the frontend |
| [03:06:25] | sphery: | works for me |
| [03:06:26] | sphery: | we dpnm |
| [03:06:39] | sphery: | er, we don't really support running the frontend without backend, now, anyway |
| [03:06:55] | sphery: | and people can always just run mythtv-setup to upgrade |
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| [03:07:21] | sphery: | just hard code a false in the allow_upgrade argument for the frontend |
| [03:09:19] | ekristen: | kormoc: it seems to be hit or miss |
| [03:09:31] | ekristen: | sometimes it streams without issue for an extended period of time |
| [03:09:35] | ekristen: | other times it stops |
| [03:10:15] | ekristen: | doesn't seem to have a rhyme or reason |
| [03:11:18] | ekristen: | kormoc: the interesting this is that I don't get seek capabilities, not sure why at this time either |
| [03:11:18] | kormoc: | Are you syncing your writes to the client? |
| [03:11:32] | ekristen: | my guess is no |
| [03:11:55] | ekristen: | I am reading from python bindings 128k at a time |
| [03:12:02] | ekristen: | and writing it back to the client |
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| [03:12:53] | kormoc: | Right, but without the sync on the client stream, the OS can buffer that as long as it sees fit |
| [03:13:17] | ekristen: | not sure how I'd sync |
| [03:14:24] | kormoc: | what is the interface you are writing to? |
| [03:15:03] | ekristen: | just http, so here is the use case |
| [03:15:03] | kormoc: | if it's a native file handle, try .flush() |
| [03:15:18] | ekristen: | using the python mythtv bindings |
| [03:15:29] | ekristen: | using the open file handler on the Record or Program object |
| [03:15:46] | kormoc: | sure, you're talking http via a socket of some type. if it's a file handle socket, .flush() should do the trick |
| [03:16:09] | ekristen: | the flush would be on the file handler giving me the data yes? |
| [03:16:22] | ekristen: | one second |
| [03:16:42] | kormoc: | no, it'd be on the one you're writing to (the one going to the client) |
| [03:17:25] | ekristen: | ah |
| [03:17:26] | ekristen: | ok |
| [03:17:38] | sphery: | OK, so Nova didn't do too bad. On "Japan's Killer Quake", they spent maybe 1min tops talking about the nuclear plant--much of it was just some geologist (who doesn't know nuclear) saying that he didn't know what to believe since the US was making announcements that differed from the Japanese government's announcements. The other 52min of the broadcast focused on the quake and tsunami and the devastation that caused >27000 deaths. They ... |
| [03:17:44] | sphery: | ... didn't talk up the nuclear plant failure--which hasn't resulted in any radiological issues of consequence--as being "As bad as Chernobyl" (yeah, I'm looking at you Yahoo! and AFP) or fear mongering. They seem to have realized that 0 deaths and 0 long-term health consequences is, er nothing, compared to 27000 deaths. |
| [03:18:17] | kormoc: | but...but....but... 7 > 5!!! |
| [03:18:30] | sphery: | They also said that kormoc and Beirdo need to watch out for when the same thing happens with the Cascadia fault and it swamps Seattle |
| [03:18:45] | Beirdo: | we don't know the long-term health consequences yet of course |
| [03:18:50] | ekristen: | so kormoc, so write data, then flush? |
| [03:19:01] | kormoc: | nah, I got the city covered. I bought quake insurance so we won't have one until I cancel it |
| [03:19:03] | kormoc: | ekristen, yes |
| [03:19:14] | ekristen: | ok let me give that a shot |
| [03:19:23] | wagnerrp: | sphery: and the rest of us have to worry about the yellowstone caldera... so its a wash |
| [03:19:28] | sphery: | Beirdo: there were approximately 42 deaths from Chernobyl, and Chernobyl was blocks of carbon burning for days and carrying long-lived radioisotopes into the environment |
| [03:19:33] | Beirdo: | sphery: yeah, they keep saying that, but keep forgetting it's nigh impossible for a tsunami to hit Seattle |
| [03:19:54] | Beirdo: | we aren't on the open ocean, we are on a long narrow sound |
| [03:19:57] | kormoc: | ooh, it's not a tsunami to hit Seattle, it's the quake that's right there |
| [03:20:05] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [03:20:05] | ** kormoc points at the big, nasty fault line ** | |
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| [03:20:12] | Beirdo: | the quake could easily happen |
| [03:20:27] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: just wait for a comet to impact in the north pacific |
| [03:20:27] | Beirdo: | the tsunami... nah. the other side of the peninsula, usre |
| [03:20:32] | sphery: | and information wasn't given to people, and we didn't realize the risks of feeding infants and the elderly I-131 for years, and in truth, with treatment, those who did develop thyroid cancer could have been cured with proper treatment |
| [03:20:52] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: won't affect as much as you'd think |
| [03:21:07] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: I am getting this error http://pastebin.ca/2045682 |
| [03:21:09] | wagnerrp: | well that just depends on the size of it now doesnt it... :) |
| [03:21:12] | sphery: | but considering how many were exposed to the I-131 in food in the area, the number of cases of cancer were amazingly small |
| [03:21:22] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [03:21:22] | ekristen: | randomly |
| [03:21:24] | kormoc: | Beirdo, hrm... I figure a wall of steam that will steam me alive is pretty bad |
| [03:21:41] | Beirdo: | where would said wall of steam come from? |
| [03:21:53] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: for instance, the impact that created the gulf of mexico... i think that would do quite a number on seattle |
| [03:21:58] | kormoc: | Beirdo, the comet impacting the ocean... |
| [03:21:59] | sphery: | Beirdo: that long narrow sound can actually channel the wave and make it significantly higher |
| [03:22:22] | Beirdo: | sphery: IF the wave gets in in any significant manner |
| [03:22:28] | sphery: | right |
| [03:22:40] | Beirdo: | if it's coming from the open ocean, not much will make it in |
| [03:22:44] | kormoc: | sphery, we're twisty with cliffs, it's actually really narrow band of potential damages |
| [03:22:56] | Beirdo: | if it starts in the sound, not much water to push |
| [03:23:04] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, I guess middle of the US isn't a great escape from natural disasters... So, I'm probably in just as much danger here or there... |
| [03:23:19] | Beirdo: | wall of steam wouldn't be nice of course |
| [03:23:25] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: I think that traceback i just linked you is the reason why playback stops, maybe, it doesn't get thrown right away though |
| [03:23:41] | sphery: | yeah, in truth, it's more the coastal communities of Oregon and Washington that they're worried about |
| [03:24:01] | Beirdo: | yeah, the ones facing open ocean.. could get screwed |
| [03:24:01] | sphery: | though the quake could be quite dangerous to Seattle if it hits close enough or is big enough |
| [03:24:08] | Beirdo: | oh yeah, for sure |
| [03:24:14] | Beirdo: | especially downtown |
| [03:24:27] | sphery: | yeah, what's that one city on OR coast... They have a public tsunami shelter |
| [03:24:32] | Beirdo: | and that stupid viaduct :) |
| [03:24:46] | sphery: | Cannon Beach |
| [03:25:02] | wagnerrp: | ekristen: youre getting a None coming out of backendCommand() |
| [03:25:03] | sphery: | they're in a bad spot |
| [03:25:07] | wagnerrp: | that shouldnt even be possible |
| [03:25:37] | wagnerrp: | the output of backendCommand should /always/ be a unicode string |
| [03:27:13] | ekristen: | so right now I am getting streaming to work, been unable to make it through an entire recording yet |
| [03:27:31] | Beirdo: | sphery: funny how they've forgotten all about Silicon Valley in this mass hysteria about earthquakes and tsunamis |
| [03:27:38] | ekristen: | its playing right now ok, I'm gonna see what happens this time, I have implemented flush after I write data |
| [03:27:39] | ekristen: | to the client |
| [03:27:46] | ekristen: | so, we'll see what happens |
| [03:27:56] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: christopher walken will make them remember |
| [03:28:01] | wagnerrp: | oh yes... they will remember |
| [03:28:02] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [03:28:12] | sphery: | is something happening in Silicon Valley, now, or you mean the earthquake potential there? |
| [03:28:18] | ekristen: | yup |
| [03:28:27] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: just stopped |
| [03:28:31] | ekristen: | with that same error |
| [03:28:34] | Beirdo: | it's always had the potential |
| [03:28:38] | sphery: | ah, yeah |
| [03:28:40] | ekristen: | its definitely my culprit at this time |
| [03:28:40] | wagnerrp: | sphery: as in enough potential that they made a mainstream movie about it |
| [03:28:48] | Beirdo: | and that bay has no protection from tsunami at all |
| [03:28:55] | wagnerrp: | not one of these dinky B sci-fi movies |
| [03:29:11] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: any way I can log what is happening in the mythproto for debugging purposes? |
| [03:29:15] | wagnerrp: | it had sex, and robots, and black chicks on steroids |
| [03:29:17] | sphery: | wagnerrp: which movie is this? |
| [03:29:27] | wagnerrp: | and a big balloon |
| [03:29:37] | wagnerrp: | dynamite, some crazy old guy |
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| [03:29:57] | Beirdo: | I forget the name of it... Bond movie |
| [03:29:57] | ekristen: | which movie is that wagnerrp? |
| [03:29:57] | wagnerrp: | and car chases using fire trucks |
| [03:30:05] | wagnerrp: | a view to a kill |
| [03:30:07] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [03:30:10] | Beirdo: | That's the one |
| [03:30:19] | ekristen: | ah yeah |
| [03:30:41] | sphery: | but I'm guessing--from the fact that it's a Bond movie--a supervillian caused the earthquake and/or tsunami |
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| [03:30:48] | ekristen: | anyways wagnerrp any way I can debug whats happening in the mythprotocol file to help figure out how the response is None type? |
| [03:31:04] | wagnerrp: | ekristen: you can look through connections.py, BEConnection.backendCommand |
| [03:31:05] | sphery: | so as long as we keep the supervillian's down, we shouldn't have a problem, right? |
| [03:31:16] | sphery: | Help! Help! I'm being repressed! |
| [03:31:16] | wagnerrp: | but every possible return from that command will be a unicode string, or an error |
| [03:31:52] | wagnerrp: | since there is no error handling between there and the file transfer, 'res' should always be unicode as far as i can tell |
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| [03:33:26] | ekristen: | actually you have an except: pass |
| [03:33:30] | ekristen: | that would set the return to None |
| [03:33:40] | ekristen: | if for some reason an exception was being raised yes? |
| [03:34:38] | wagnerrp: | where is that at? |
| [03:35:37] | ekristen: | connections.py line 445 — I don't know if I have the very latest version |
| [03:36:06] | ekristen: | I am pretty sure I have what shipped with 0.24 |
| [03:36:49] | wagnerrp: | thats in the eventloop |
| [03:37:31] | ekristen: | ah, the with statement |
| [03:37:42] | wagnerrp: | the eventloop is completely detached from synchronous access during a read() |
| [03:38:01] | wagnerrp: | the only problem with the eventloop is when something like a preview generation event breaks processing |
| [03:38:10] | wagnerrp: | which fubars the whole connection |
| [03:38:13] | ekristen: | that might be why it is breaking, I had to disable all with statements because I have to support 2.4.6 with boxee unfortunately |
| [03:38:19] | wagnerrp: | preventing the command connection from happening properly |
| [03:38:23] | wagnerrp: | 2.4.6? eew |
| [03:38:31] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: yeah tell me about it |
| [03:38:40] | wagnerrp: | yes, the bindings are wholly untested with 2.4 |
| [03:38:45] | wagnerrp: | and largely untested with 2.5 |
| [03:39:03] | ekristen: | well I have a pretty good start on streaming now, I just need to figure out how to get seeking to work |
| [03:39:08] | sphery: | Linux kernel 2.4.6... Is that from like 1930 or so? |
| [03:39:16] | ekristen: | python |
| [03:39:19] | ekristen: | 2.4.6 |
| [03:39:20] | sphery: | ohhh |
| [03:39:20] | ekristen: | lol |
| [03:39:22] | sphery: | much more sensible |
| [03:39:24] | ekristen: | haha |
| [03:39:36] | wagnerrp: | no, still not sensible |
| [03:39:44] | sphery: | I was really wondering about Boxee |
| [03:39:44] | wagnerrp: | 2.5 was released like 5 years ago |
| [03:40:05] | wagnerrp: | just about... sept 19, 2006 |
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| [03:40:19] | sphery: | oh, well that may be |
| [03:40:37] | ekristen: | yeah, its a sore subject, been trying to beat the devs over the head to upgrade the built in python |
| [03:40:37] | sphery: | heh, I have a Pyton with 2 and 4 and 6 |
| [03:40:43] | sphery: | just in a different order |
| [03:40:56] | sphery: | (and mine is probably a bit long in the tooth...) |
| [03:41:22] | wagnerrp: | oct 25, 2009 |
| [03:41:22] | sphery: | 2.6.4, from somewhere around Jan 2010 |
| [03:41:35] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: http://pastebin.ca/2045686 |
| [03:41:41] | ekristen: | somehow I am still streaming |
| [03:41:42] | sphery: | yeah, that makes sense for release date |
| [03:41:45] | sphery: | (versus build date) |
| [03:41:52] | ekristen: | but that error was thrown |
| [03:42:16] | ekristen: | oh |
| [03:42:18] | ekristen: | I wonder |
| [03:42:24] | ekristen: | I changed that from pass to raise |
| [03:42:27] | ekristen: | and I got that error |
| [03:42:30] | ekristen: | and I am still streaming |
| [03:42:31] | ekristen: | hrm |
| [03:42:58] | wagnerrp: | did you outright get rid of the 'with'? |
| [03:43:03] | wagnerrp: | or did you replace it with manual locking? |
| [03:43:30] | ekristen: | I replaced the with with try, except pass |
| [03:43:39] | wagnerrp: | thats not what 'with' does |
| [03:43:48] | wagnerrp: | even remotely |
| [03:44:06] | wagnerrp: | with is a context manager |
| [03:44:19] | wagnerrp: | in this case, it controls a mutex lock |
| [03:44:29] | wagnerrp: | so while that thread is in that context, it locks the socket to itself |
| [03:44:46] | ekristen: | gotcha |
| [03:44:55] | wagnerrp: | since you removed the locks, now both you and the event loop are vying for the same information |
| [03:45:13] | wagnerrp: | when you replaced the 'pass' with a 'raise' |
| [03:45:17] | wagnerrp: | you errored out the event loop |
| [03:45:32] | wagnerrp: | and with the event loop no longer running, the file transfer loop is free to continue functioning as normal |
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| [03:45:40] | ekristen: | makes sense |
| [03:45:53] | wagnerrp: | in effect, you broke it badly enough that it now works |
| [03:45:57] | ekristen: | lol |
| [03:45:59] | ekristen: | fair enough |
| [03:46:00] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [03:46:24] | ekristen: | so now I need to figure out how to do with without with |
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| [03:46:57] | wagnerrp: | the context manager acquires the lock when you enter, and releases it when you exit |
| [03:47:20] | wagnerrp: | so any 'return' or 'raise' within that context will need an accompanying manual release of the lock |
| [03:48:01] | ekristen: | so http://effbot.org/zone/python-with-statement.htm, the for-in statements is what I need |
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| [03:49:25] | wagnerrp: | maybe |
| [03:49:56] | wagnerrp: | except as they say right there, it wont work |
| [03:50:31] | [R]: | ffs |
| [03:50:32] | wagnerrp: | you could rig your own context manager |
| [03:50:41] | [R]: | what possessess these girls to go on Teen Mom and 16 and pregnant |
| [03:50:57] | wagnerrp: | make a class that takes a mutex as an input |
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| [03:51:08] | ekristen: | hrm, crap, |
| [03:51:11] | wagnerrp: | lock it in the constructor, unlock it in the destructor |
| [03:51:33] | wagnerrp: | as you exit the context, all references to that class instance will be released, the garbage collector will destroy it, and you will free the lock |
| [03:51:39] | wagnerrp: | ffs |
| [03:51:48] | wagnerrp: | what possesses [R] to watch these god awful shows |
| [03:51:56] | [R]: | haha |
| [03:53:05] | dashs: | Is there a a way to manually add channels that fail scan? |
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| [03:54:42] | dashs: | Meaning is there detailed doc for the channel editor? |
| [03:55:16] | wagnerrp: | theres always a way since you can always edit the database |
| [03:55:35] | wagnerrp: | but seeing as there is nearly no documentation on the fields or the channel scanner |
| [03:55:41] | wagnerrp: | the risk of failure is extreme |
| [03:55:45] | yutrevasdik: | mythbuntu 10.04, mythtv 0.23: what is the browser used under Information center > web? |
| [03:55:56] | wagnerrp: | ekristen: mythbrowser |
| [03:56:09] | wagnerrp: | specifically, a home grown one based off webkit |
| [03:56:26] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: ? |
| [03:56:34] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [03:56:49] | ekristen: | you said mythbrowser, I am a little confused (its late) |
| [03:56:50] | wagnerrp: | ekristen: mythbrowser |
| [03:56:53] | wagnerrp: | specifically, a home grown one based off webkit |
| [03:57:01] | yutrevasdik: | i have a problem with exiting from the browser after viewing flash content (russian news) |
| [03:57:08] | wagnerrp: | the mythbrowser plugin |
| [03:57:16] | wagnerrp: | is a Qt webkit based browser |
| [03:57:20] | wagnerrp: | implemented in a frontend plugin |
| [03:57:42] | yutrevasdik: | hitting esc takes me back to the menu from which links are selected. but then i get stuck |
| [03:58:09] | yutrevasdik: | no further keyboard input gets any response (yeah, i'm using a keyboard, not a remote) |
| [03:58:14] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: ok? |
| [03:58:35] | yutrevasdik: | i looked at htop output to try and find and kill the process, but i don't see it there |
| [03:58:41] | wagnerrp: | oh, my mistake |
| [03:58:42] | ** ekristen thinks its time for bed ** | |
| [03:58:47] | wagnerrp: | youre both the same color |
| [03:58:54] | wagnerrp: | mistook you for the other guy talking |
| [03:58:56] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: sorry I am just not following you right now, sorry |
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| [03:59:11] | wagnerrp: | xchat shows your name as the same color as yutrevasdik |
| [03:59:17] | ekristen: | ah |
| [03:59:19] | wagnerrp: | so not looking closer, i responded to you |
| [03:59:28] | ekristen: | gotcha |
| [03:59:28] | yutrevasdik: | so, what can i do when this happens? |
| [03:59:31] | wagnerrp: | yutrevasdik: mythbrowser |
| [03:59:33] | wagnerrp: | specifically, a home grown one based off webkit |
| [03:59:42] | yutrevasdik: | killall mythbrowser? |
| [03:59:52] | wagnerrp: | keyboard input issues are a problem when using flash |
| [03:59:57] | wagnerrp: | flash will steal the focus |
| [04:00:04] | yutrevasdik: | i c |
| [04:00:10] | wagnerrp: | and you need a mouse to click outside the flash window to recover it |
| [04:00:29] | yutrevasdik: | i've got a mouse, but the pointer doesn't show up either |
| [04:00:46] | yutrevasdik: | maybe just click around randomly while moving the mouse? |
| [04:01:00] | wagnerrp: | then enable the mouse |
| [04:01:05] | wagnerrp: | its in the appearance options |
| [04:01:14] | yutrevasdik: | got it |
| [04:01:29] | yutrevasdik: | but maybe just moving the mouse and clicking around will do it |
| [04:01:41] | wagnerrp: | possibly |
| [04:01:49] | yutrevasdik: | thanks fer the input |
| [04:01:54] | ekristen: | ok bed time |
| [04:02:03] | ekristen: | thanks for all the help tonight |
| [04:02:10] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: thanks |
| [04:02:12] | ekristen: | kormoc: thanks |
| [04:02:27] | wagnerrp: | night |
| [04:03:17] | wagnerrp: | ekristen: check out QMutexLocker to see what i was talking about with rigging up your own context manager |
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| [04:06:38] | sphery: | wagnerrp: dmbreton in #mythtv has a question you can probably help with |
| [04:06:52] | sphery: | if you feel up to it |
| [04:07:44] | wagnerrp: | seems he figured it out on his own? |
| [04:07:54] | sphery: | could be? |
| [04:08:23] | sphery: | guess it does sound that way |
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| [04:09:03] | upgrdman: | im setting up lirc for mythtv. i want to have a button press set fill to full. what would the config = line be set to? |
| [04:09:39] | wagnerrp: | thats... just... amazing |
| [04:09:49] | sphery: | upgrdman: go into Utilities/Setup|Edit Keys |
| [04:10:00] | wagnerrp: | upgrdman: did you actually go into the other channel, read the topic, and find your way in here all on your own? |
| [04:10:07] | sphery: | upgrdman: then look at the available actions and bind keys where required |
| [04:10:24] | wagnerrp: | i applaud you |
| [04:11:01] | sphery: | upgrdman: ttbomk, the closest we have is TV Playback|TOGGLEFILL , which defaults to W |
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| [04:11:35] | sphery: | so config = W |
| [04:11:47] | wagnerrp: | sphery? |
| [04:11:53] | wagnerrp: | other channel needs assistance |
| [04:12:45] | sphery: | heh, no good python library... |
| [04:12:55] | sphery: | I hope he means higher level library than the bindings |
| [04:13:10] | sphery: | like library for creating a frontend plugin |
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| [04:13:35] | upgrdman: | wagnerrp, are you being sarcastic? |
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| [04:14:19] | sphery: | upgrdman: no, he was being truly grateful |
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| [04:14:32] | sphery: | most users seem to just go into #mythtv and ask questions without reading the topic |
| [04:14:54] | sphery: | then they blame it on us for using #mythtv and #mythtv-users instead of doing it the way they /think/ we should do it with #mythtv and #mythtv-dev |
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| [04:15:39] | sphery: | so we who read everything in #mythtv are truly appreciative of the occasional user who actually takes time to read the topic before asking a user question in there :) |
| [04:15:41] | upgrdman: | o ok |
| [04:16:23] | upgrdman: | well to be honest i did that in the past. i just remembered that -users is where i should go :) |
| [04:16:44] | sphery: | wagnerrp: at least the "no good python library" comment was borne of ignorance, not malice |
| [04:18:01] | sphery: | upgrdman: heh, yeah, well, we've probably all said something in the wrong channel before, so it happens |
| [04:18:11] | sphery: | but still, noticing is a good thing |
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| [04:21:07] | upgrdman: | not strictly mythtv, but you guys might know: is there a command that will unlock the screen? im thinking xset but i dont see an appropriate flag |
| [04:21:32] | upgrdman: | (i want to auto unlock the screen when starting mythtv with my remote) |
| [04:21:40] | wagnerrp: | unlock... how? |
| [04:21:42] | sphery: | chances are the screen is locked by a screensaver |
| [04:21:50] | upgrdman: | thats what i mean |
| [04:21:53] | wagnerrp: | oh, like password locked |
| [04:21:57] | wagnerrp: | yeah, just disable the screensaver |
| [04:21:58] | upgrdman: | ya |
| [04:22:01] | wagnerrp: | use DPMS |
| [04:22:14] | sphery: | so you'd need something like xscreensaver-command -deactivate |
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| [04:22:46] | sphery: | or gnome-screensaver-command -whatever (where gnome-screensaver-command was broken last I heard, and GNOME devs didn't care because it's "legacy") |
| [04:23:00] | sphery: | I agree, though, turning off the screensaver makes more sense |
| [04:23:05] | sphery: | the best screensaver is the power button |
| [04:24:15] | upgrdman: | xscreensaver-command -deactivate does not seem to unlock |
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| [04:24:35] | wagnerrp: | disable the password lock on whatever is managing the screensaver |
| [04:24:49] | upgrdman: | i would rather not. any other way? |
| [04:25:09] | wagnerrp: | so this is not a dedicated mythtv system hooked up to a tv? |
| [04:25:14] | sphery: | yeah, if locked, it just shows the unlock screen |
| [04:25:15] | upgrdman: | correct |
| [04:25:29] | upgrdman: | its semi dedicated |
| [04:25:32] | sphery: | that is, after all, the purpose of a lock |
| [04:25:47] | upgrdman: | the projector is dedicated but the lcd is for regular use :) |
| [04:25:54] | kormoc: | upgrdman, yeah, you're not really able to do what you want AFAIK |
| [04:26:01] | sphery: | -deactivate is basically just standing in for a keyboard or mouse event |
| [04:26:03] | wagnerrp: | upgrdman: use a second server without a lock, and switch to it? |
| [04:26:06] | upgrdman: | i know but i was hoping there was a way to unlock it with a script |
| [04:26:16] | sphery: | could do: killall xscreensaver |
| [04:26:22] | sphery: | then restart xscreensaver |
| [04:26:41] | sphery: | not sure where that ranks in "The World's Worst Hacks Ever", but it's up there |
| [04:27:06] | wagnerrp: | so if you can deactivate it with a remote |
| [04:27:08] | sphery: | wonder if X would properly redraw everything if you did that :) |
| [04:27:12] | wagnerrp: | anyone else can deactivate it with a remote |
| [04:27:17] | kormoc: | sphery, doesn't it attempt to push the kill up to the server? |
| [04:27:23] | upgrdman: | xscreensaver: no process found |
| [04:27:26] | wagnerrp: | so whats the point of keeping the lock if its that easy to bypass? |
| [04:27:29] | sphery: | kormoc: could... |
| [04:27:43] | sphery: | upgrdman: then maybe you're running gnome-screensaver, and not xscreensaver? |
| [04:27:47] | upgrdman: | wagnerrp, my cat walks on my keyboard, my remote is not easily accessible by my cat |
| [04:28:15] | upgrdman: | sphery, that was it. THANKS! |
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| [04:28:21] | sphery: | ah, yeah, we have to make sure cat's don't develope remote control technology... that will be a bad day for all of mankind when they do |
| [04:28:33] | wagnerrp: | sounds like GreyFoxx |
| [04:28:51] | wagnerrp: | he wont have talked for weeks |
| [04:28:57] | sphery: | yeah, strangely his cat hasn't been writing us messages... I wonder if we should be concerned |
| [04:29:04] | wagnerrp: | and then out of the blue, some random garbage |
| [04:29:10] | sphery: | it's been a long time since we've seen any |
| [04:29:31] | kormoc: | sphery, nah, he had chinese food recently... |
| [04:29:47] | sphery: | 8-| |
| [04:29:51] | sphery: | poor kitty |
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| [04:33:49] | sphery: | heh, what's with all the "stream recordings and live tv to boxee" interest today? |
| [04:38:13] | wagnerrp: | sphery: it would appear i cant use a QString as an input, and expect it to take const char |
| [04:38:52] | wagnerrp: | all those overloaded add() methods i have seem like theyre going to get a bit more painful |
| [04:38:57] | sphery: | not sure what you mean.... syntax? |
| [04:39:33] | wagnerrp: | i mean add(QString, QString, QString) cannot accept add("blah", "blah", "blah") |
| [04:39:57] | sphery: | where "blah" is literal |
| [04:40:04] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [04:40:24] | Beirdo: | you need QString("blah") |
| [04:40:33] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: hence the pain |
| [04:40:37] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [04:40:40] | wagnerrp: | either im going to have to do that for each and every input |
| [04:40:47] | Beirdo: | Qt is... painful |
| [04:40:51] | wagnerrp: | or flood the header with hundreds of different permutations |
| [04:40:57] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [04:41:02] | sphery: | why don't we have to use QString("blah") everywhere, then? |
| [04:41:31] | wagnerrp: | because all of the Qt stuff has all of those permutations |
| [04:41:33] | sphery: | only reason there should be a problem is if there's ambiguity in the function signature, right? |
| [04:41:34] | Beirdo: | some things have overloaded char*? |
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| [04:43:06] | wagnerrp: | oh, seems it was choking on the & |
| [04:43:39] | sphery: | ah, yeah, with a reference it won't work |
| [04:44:12] | sphery: | for that you'd need to use QString("blah") |
| [04:44:34] | wagnerrp: | are there any bad implications of not using a reference? |
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| [04:45:43] | Beirdo: | it *might* do more copying |
| [04:45:54] | sphery: | generally you use a reference as a small piece of data to pass to a function rather than passing the full data item |
| [04:45:55] | Beirdo: | but with the shallow copying done by Qt, dunno |
| [04:46:13] | sphery: | and, yeah... Beirdo pretty much got right to the point. :) |
| [04:47:27] | wagnerrp: | ok, i was just duplicating this off the Qt interfaces, which all use references for this sort of thing |
| [04:49:25] | wagnerrp: | so my keyboard is acting a lot better |
| [04:49:31] | wagnerrp: | signal was getting weak |
| [04:49:38] | sphery: | in general, I think--especially for a short-lived command-line parser (that should be destroyed almost immediately after startup--and with Qt's copy-on-write approach for QString, it shouldn't be a problem |
| [04:49:51] | wagnerrp: | to the point that i could not use it reliably if my mouse was directly along side it (and between it and the receiver) |
| [04:49:53] | sphery: | the only problems might come about if there's multithreaded usage of the strings |
| [04:50:05] | wagnerrp: | apparently its been like a year since i swapped the batteries |
| [04:50:06] | sphery: | but I'm guessing that shouldn't be a problem--it's probably all in the main thread |
| [04:50:15] | wagnerrp: | theyve got those little meters on them |
| [04:50:19] | wagnerrp: | one is registering nothing |
| [04:50:33] | wagnerrp: | the other just has the tiniest sliver in the red |
| [04:50:46] | sphery: | heh, I still don't use wireless keyboards on any of my systems, except the mythfrontend system... in other words, on any system where I have to type a password |
| [04:51:09] | sphery: | and, yeah, I realize some say that it's possible to read my keystrokes through sound or electronic emanations |
| [04:51:14] | sphery: | even with a wired keyboard |
| [04:51:26] | sphery: | but until I can review the encryption used by the keyboards, I don't trust them |
| [04:51:49] | wagnerrp: | knowing the people near me on the street? im not worried |
| [04:52:09] | wagnerrp: | of course i used to have some issues between my computer, and my sister's about 30' on the opposite end of the house |
| [04:52:25] | sphery: | (not that I would trust them--even if they used a perfect encryption mechanism--if /I/ reviewed them... it's the "can review" part, not the "did review," I want--because then, presumably, someone /much/ smarter than I would have reviewed them) |
| [04:52:26] | wagnerrp: | where i would erratically type things on her computer |
| [04:52:46] | sphery: | heh |
| [04:52:51] | wagnerrp: | meanwhile, i cant even get it to connect to my base more than 5' away |
| [04:52:53] | wagnerrp: | go figure |
| [04:53:09] | sphery: | yeah, I've heard of keyboards cross-talking between neighbors |
| [04:53:29] | sphery: | I still buy wired keyboards, but have started buying wireless mice |
| [04:53:51] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i hate wired mice |
| [04:53:59] | wagnerrp: | keyboards arent a big issue, but it was a combo set |
| [04:54:17] | wagnerrp: | and i love the keyboard |
| [04:54:45] | sphery: | yeah, that's the down side of my stubbornness... I can't buy combos, so have to find separate keyboard and mouse that's still reasonably priced |
| [04:54:46] | wagnerrp: | ive actually got its wired counterpart on a tray under my desk for use with my kvm switch and other computers up here |
| [04:55:01] | sphery: | which is why I wore my last keyboard down so far before replacing it |
| [04:55:37] | wagnerrp: | the keys are decent enough, ive reprogrammed the multimedia keys, and best of all, the insert/delete cluster is proper |
| [04:55:42] | sphery: | (and only did so because the 1st-gen MS optical mouse was too annoying that after about 8 years, I couldn't take it any more--it sends spurious mouse wheel events all the time) |
| [04:55:58] | sphery: | was a 1st-gen wired optical mouse, btw |
| [04:55:59] | sphery: | so old |
| [04:56:22] | sphery: | my new one is annoying because the delete key is too small |
| [04:56:28] | sphery: | otherwise, I like it well enough |
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| [04:56:50] | wagnerrp: | ive had no end of problems with scroll wheels |
| [04:57:15] | wagnerrp: | my first ms mouse with one siezed up, and so did my first logitech |
| [04:57:20] | sphery: | though I had to disassemble it and re-position the pads after I first bought it because several keys (including h and b) didn't register about 95% of the time) |
| [04:57:26] | wagnerrp: | my current logitech (mx1000), the middle click doesnt work |
| [04:57:27] | sphery: | since doing so, though, it seems fine |
| [04:57:41] | wagnerrp: | i ended up remapping the thumb button for middle click |
| [04:57:50] | wagnerrp: | although to be honest, i actually like it batter that way |
| [04:57:52] | sphery: | I've become a logitech snob, lately... I love logitech mice |
| [04:58:20] | wagnerrp: | clicking that wheel, without hitting the side scrolling, is a bit iffy even when it worked |
| [04:58:39] | wagnerrp: | with the thumb button, there is never any question |
| [04:58:52] | sphery: | that said, when I replaced the MS one, I got a gigabyte because of price (was on sale with rebate, had a newegg combo with a gigabyte wired keyboard, and had a promo code for 15% off mice, so it turned out dirt cheap) |
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| [04:59:06] | sphery: | it seems to work ok, but it's not high quality |
| [04:59:29] | sphery: | yeah, thumb button for middle click makes sense |
| [04:59:42] | wagnerrp: | i cant use cheap mice |
| [04:59:49] | sphery: | the wheels--especially if they have horizontal scroll capability--often turn when you click |
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| [05:00:05] | wagnerrp: | besides the fact that theyre always poorly shaped |
| [05:00:09] | wagnerrp: | theyve got too low resolution |
| [05:00:16] | sphery: | yeah, this one is a "large" notebook mouse |
| [05:00:31] | sphery: | resolution isn't a problem if you set the acceleration and speed correctly |
| [05:00:39] | sphery: | that said, most of them have terrible defaults |
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| [05:00:45] | wagnerrp: | when your screen is 5760px across, you need a mouse with good resolution |
| [05:00:54] | sphery: | heh, ok |
| [05:01:00] | wagnerrp: | i hate mouse acceleration |
| [05:01:02] | sphery: | on my 1920 it's not bad |
| [05:01:02] | wagnerrp: | cant stand it |
| [05:01:11] | sphery: | yeah, I use low and slow accel |
| [05:01:21] | sphery: | the default for this one is way too fast |
| [05:01:56] | wagnerrp: | weve got cheap mice at work for 30" screens |
| [05:02:24] | wagnerrp: | either you have to move your hand an unreasonable amount, or the smallest movement you can make is several pixels |
| [05:02:32] | sphery: | heh, that would get annoying |
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| [05:02:58] | sphery: | even this dirt cheap mouse is 1600dpi |
| [05:03:57] | sphery: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826146006 |
| [05:04:37] | sphery: | heh, and here was the deal I used (though I noticed it on newegg's mailer, not on slickdeals: http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?s . . . mp;t=2720399 ) |
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| [05:05:12] | sphery: | so $6.99 for the mouse |
| [05:05:23] | iamlindoro: | unfortunately, the mouse is also 64 bit |
| [05:05:33] | iamlindoro: | four eggs, technical level high |
| [05:05:39] | sphery: | and combo discount with keyboard for $11 more, so $17.99 total |
| [05:05:49] | wagnerrp: | ok, seven years ago when i lost bought a mouse, i couldnt buy cheap mice |
| [05:05:51] | sphery: | iamlindoro: I'm not worried about it |
| [05:05:54] | wagnerrp: | s/lost/last/ |
| [05:06:11] | sphery: | wagnerrp: well, I'll admit it /is/ a cheap mouse--and feels that way |
| [05:06:21] | sphery: | but not too bad on resolution |
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| [05:07:08] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: did you just make that up? |
| [05:07:13] | wagnerrp: | im looking for it and cant find it |
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| [05:07:22] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, it's an old inside joke between sphery and I |
| [05:07:25] | sphery: | it was a real newegg review for a Sparkle graphics card |
| [05:07:28] | iamlindoro: | and newegg |
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| [05:07:43] | wagnerrp: | hey, stop mocking my absence of faith in humanity |
| [05:09:03] | wagnerrp: | it would appear i cannot directly alter qvariants |
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| [05:09:17] | wagnerrp: | i have to convert them, change them, and then convert back |
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| [05:10:21] | sphery: | this in your jobqueue code? |
| [05:10:58] | wagnerrp: | commandlineparser |
| [05:11:26] | wagnerrp: | input values are automatically converted to the type defined by their default value |
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| [05:12:10] | sphery: | oh |
| [05:12:15] | wagnerrp: | in this case, its the code to handle multiple-instance arguments for the settings override |
| [05:12:22] | wagnerrp: | each key-value pair is stored into a qmap |
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| [05:45:14] | wagnerrp: | can const members call other non-const members? |
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| [06:07:36] | Gumby: | if I have a slave and a master backend, does a sql server need to run on the slave also? |
| [06:08:00] | [R]: | you need exactly one mysql server |
| [06:08:47] | Gumby: | ok, I thought so. Just wondering why the log file on the backend-client says that it cant connect to the local mysql server before connecting to the master |
| [06:09:23] | wagnerrp: | because if you do not have a server defined, it will first attempt the default credentials on the local server |
| [06:09:45] | wagnerrp: | it pulls the credentials from the ~/.mythtv/config.xml |
| [06:09:56] | wagnerrp: | failing that, it pulls credentials from the master backend detected over upnp |
| [06:10:05] | wagnerrp: | failing that, it uses the defaults |
| [06:10:09] | wagnerrp: | failing that, it exits |
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| [06:10:43] | [R]: | failing that, your computer explodes |
| [06:11:02] | wagnerrp: | with lens flare |
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| [06:12:27] | Gumby: | lol |
| [06:12:29] | Gumby: | nice |
| [06:12:54] | ** wagnerrp thinks [R]'s computer exploded ** | |
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| [06:15:07] | Gumby: | so now I guess I need to figure out why the tuner on the slave machine doesnt show up. a frontend only machine cant see the tuner and neither can mythweb |
| [06:15:14] | Gumby: | but the tuner shows in the database |
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| [06:18:31] | wagnerrp: | by 'mythweb', you mean the 'backend status page'? |
| [06:18:43] | Gumby: | yes. |
| [06:18:50] | Gumby: | I just restarted both backends and now it shows up |
| [06:19:00] | Gumby: | it being the second tuner |
| [06:19:53] | Gumby: | sweet, both are workin ;) |
| [06:20:04] | Gumby: | getting two setup just makes me want to set up more. lol |
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| [06:20:28] | wagnerrp: | youre like a mouse with a cookie |
| [06:21:12] | Gumby: | lol |
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| [07:04:10] | KaZeR_W: | hi |
| [07:05:30] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ttbomk, you can use any of them--just won't have a QApplication object or an event loop |
| [07:06:54] | sphery: | (which pretty much means no gui widgets, but I'm guessing you didn't mean those) |
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| [07:07:45] | sphery: | /away -all afs |
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| [09:37:37] | jya: | Quick question: I have a DVD (in English) that I'd like to watch with my mum. There are no subtitle on that DVD (which my mum need). I find a subtitle file somewhere, is there a way to play the DVD with the external subtitles ? |
| [09:40:37] | kenni: | jya: at least if you rip it to an iso, I'm fairly sure that you'll see an extra menu option in the internal player to select the external file (given that they use the same name) |
| [09:41:19] | jya: | Yeah, I know I could rip it and make an AVI for example, then name the subtitle file the same as the avi (with the .srt extension).. but it's a bit tedious.. |
| [09:42:04] | kenni: | I think it will work with just .iso as well, I'm fairly sure I have done this before |
| [09:42:36] | kenni: | so it should just be a 10min ripping job |
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| [10:48:45] | Finswimmer: | Hello, is there a way to find all files in a given directory that are not registered in the DB? |
| [10:51:16] | mycoDA: | ls |
| [10:51:51] | justinh: | if you mean in mythvideo, sure. browse files mode |
| [10:52:41] | mycoDA: | for recordings http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Find_orphans.py , then grep for that dir i spose |
| [10:54:08] | justinh: | this is yet another instance where giving as much information as possible would help you get a better answer sooner :-) |
| [10:55:32] | mycoDA: | you mean there is a time when the converse is true??? |
| [10:56:16] | justinh: | lol not quite |
| [10:56:17] | hashbang: | mycoDA: if you're Schrodinger's cat... |
| [10:56:31] | mycoDA: | rofl hasbang – too true |
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| [11:38:23] | Finswimmer: | justinh: sorry. i was away for meal.. |
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| [11:40:20] | Finswimmer: | mycoDA: Thank you. find_orphans seems to be the right one. |
| [11:40:28] | mycoDA: | welcome |
| [11:40:36] | mycoDA: | tho thank wagnerrp |
| [11:40:39] | mycoDA: | he wrote it |
| [11:40:43] | Finswimmer: | But what do you mean with "grep for that dir i spose" |
| [11:41:07] | justinh: | ugh. show non-recorded files in 'watch recordings' ? icky |
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| [11:41:24] | mycoDA: | findorphans.py |grep "<dirname> |
| [11:41:27] | mycoDA: | most likely |
| [11:41:48] | mycoDA: | depends if it needs to be interactive |
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| [11:42:37] | Finswimmer: | no.A time ago I freshly set up mythtv. From that time I had old recordings. These are the files that I want to get deleted. |
| [11:44:49] | mycoDA: | then just run findorphans.py and let it delete em |
| [11:45:59] | Finswimmer: | Perfect. Thank you |
| [11:47:12] | mycoDA: | like i said – thank wagner rp |
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| [12:44:58] | justinh: | heheheh one of our DVRs just took the network down |
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| [13:46:26] | justinh: | network is back up. took them ages to find the source of the packet storm |
| [13:47:11] | ** justinh ponders putting a cheap switch in the ceiling, with ports looped back to one another.. activate via remote control... ** | |
| [13:52:50] | CyberKnet: | heh |
| [13:53:18] | CyberKnet: | amazing how much damage one rampaging machine can do. |
| [13:55:29] | justinh: | apparently it wasn't a packet storm – the DHCP service & gateway went down |
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| [13:56:14] | justinh: | but er.. I ran etherreal & saw one address asking for a DHCP response every 4 microseconds. I think I'd call that a storm – at least that's what I *think* I saw |
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| [14:18:38] | hashbang: | justinh: best DHCP related cockup is when someone puts a machine on the net that thinks /it's/ the DHCP server... |
| [14:19:05] | hashbang: | justinh: see also, malware that compromises hosts to do this. Nice MITM potential, that |
| [14:19:24] | hashbang: | "here's your IP address. Oh, and by the way, I'm your default route too..." |
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| [14:33:22] | justinh: | hahaha confirmed *my* suspicion was correct |
| [14:33:47] | justinh: | it was a packet storm, one IP repeatedly asking who had 172.17.32.254 |
| [14:34:04] | justinh: | turned out to be a Vista machine upstairs where nobody was actually logged in |
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| [14:36:59] | justinh: | wonder if that's default vista behaviour.. no response from dhcp server, retry in 4uS |
| [14:38:58] | justinh: | maybe the techy guy upstairs accidentally looped switch ports together.. dunno what that can do but bet it ain't good |
| [14:40:26] | mycoDA: | should shut down the port |
| [14:41:21] | justinh: | depends how good the switch is, doesn't it? |
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| [14:42:42] | CyberKnet: | anyone look at the Trim Slice? |
| [14:43:38] | justinh: | thought the Tegra2 was junk used in the boxee box |
| [14:43:54] | justinh: | or maybe just junk |
| [14:43:58] | CyberKnet: | might be. |
| [14:44:34] | justinh: | oh wait, tegra2 was going to be in the next big thing device (maybe boxee box) & they dropped it because it couldn't do as much as the other with 1080p |
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| [14:47:14] | justinh: | yup, that was it. boxee drops tegra2 for intel ce4100 |
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| [14:49:14] | mycoDA: | is a switch justinh – it routes stuff to macs, it isnt a dumb hub |
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| [14:55:22] | justinh: | I still think it depends.. we've got cheap-ass switches here you can get to do crazy stuff by plugging ports together |
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| [14:55:50] | mycosys: | odd – it should know its own mac isnt goin anywhere |
| [14:56:06] | justinh: | heh well you gets what you pays for ;) |
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| [14:56:33] | justinh: | we've had this here before too – somebody inadvertently looped ports together |
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| [14:56:53] | CyberKnet: | hilarity ensues. |
| [14:56:55] | justinh: | thee dumb $50 24 port switches are likely to blame this time too |
| [14:58:07] | justinh: | maybe the rules are different for broadcast packets :P |
| [14:59:20] | hashbang: | justinh: I have heard of Vista doing something weird like that |
| [14:59:49] | justinh: | heh. 3 or 4 uS between events.. impressive for a MS OS ;-) |
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| [15:06:55] | justinh: | anyway, time to go home before it gets plugged back in :-) |
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| [15:14:08] | mycoserve: | sweet |
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| [15:42:34] | wagnerrp: | mycoserve: yeah, it expects to be interactive, it does not tests whether it has a stdin or not |
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| [15:43:04] | wagnerrp: | although it is set up to handle an EOLError, for if you did ctrl+d, which may have the same effect |
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| [16:04:48] | mhedi: | hi |
| [16:05:39] | mhedi: | I have an error when I compiled Mythtv WHITH this configurations |
| [16:05:43] | mhedi: | ./configure --disable-yasm --disable-audio-jack --disable-audio-pulseoutput --disable-joystick-menu --disable-firewire --disable-v4l --disable-ivtv --disable-hdpvr --disable-xrandr --disable-xv --disable-xvmc --disable-xvmcw --enable-crystalhd --disable-opengl-video --disable-quartz-video --disable-opengl-vsync --disable-x11 --disable-opengl-vsync --disable-dvb |
| [16:06:06] | mhedi: | the error message is : |
| [16:06:16] | mhedi: | |
| [16:06:16] | mhedi: | |
| [16:06:16] | mhedi: | |
| [16:06:16] | mhedi: | |
| [16:06:16] | mhedi: | make[2]: *** [mythdisplay.o] Error 1 |
| [16:06:16] | mhedi: | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/mhedi/Bureau/mythtv-0.24/libs/libmythui' |
| [16:06:18] | mhedi: | make[1]: *** [sub-libmythui-make_default] Error 2 |
| [16:06:20] | mhedi: | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mhedi/Bureau/mythtv-0.24/libs' |
| [16:06:20] | wagnerrp: | "oh crap, im trying to run linux with no X11" |
| [16:06:22] | mhedi: | make: *** [libs] Error 2 |
| [16:06:22] | sphery: | mhedi: the right configure command line is: ./configure --compile-type=release --enable-proc-opt |
| [16:06:36] | skd5aner: | mhedi – you know better, use pastebin |
| [16:06:50] | wagnerrp: | sphery: hes trying to cross compile for some unknown underpowered machine |
| [16:06:57] | wagnerrp: | appletv i believe |
| [16:07:08] | sphery: | mhedi: and, yeah, if you're trying to do framebuffer instead of X, you'll likely have to fix it since no one has used that in years, and it probably hasn't worked in years |
| [16:07:36] | wagnerrp: | anything linux MUST have x11 |
| [16:07:50] | wagnerrp: | and you MUST have either Xv or opengl support |
| [16:07:55] | skd5aner: | IE 10 preview 1 is already out?!? geeze |
| [16:08:11] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: and they demo'd it on an ARM |
| [16:08:46] | mhedi: | I won't to compiled it only with DirectFB and no X11 |
| [16:08:47] | sphery: | wagnerrp: did we officially drop directfb support |
| [16:08:52] | sphery: | if not, we should |
| [16:08:55] | wagnerrp: | i think so |
| [16:08:59] | sphery: | cool |
| [16:09:10] | skd5aner: | sphery: don't you think 0.25 might be the right time to declare framebuffer support dead? |
| [16:09:24] | skd5aner: | lol – nm |
| [16:09:29] | skd5aner: | slow on the draw |
| [16:09:30] | wagnerrp: | i thought we did in 0.24, along side xvmc |
| [16:09:55] | sphery: | we still have a --disable-directfb |
| [16:10:06] | skd5aner: | if you did it was in private discussions or on list |
| [16:10:09] | sphery: | we should mention this to the video ptb |
| [16:10:15] | skd5aner: | but not in a commit ;) |
| [16:10:24] | sphery: | yeah, it's in there, it seems |
| [16:10:43] | mhedi: | what's the sollution .? |
| [16:10:45] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: also, xvmc support was removed post 0.24 |
| [16:11:37] | skd5aner: | but, as mentioned – I don't think directfb support has been officially ripped out – at least code wise |
| [16:11:51] | sphery: | mhedi: if directfb is what you want, the solution is to fix all the broken directfb code yourself--because you're the first to want it in years :) |
| [16:11:56] | yutrevasdik: | any1 know of any non-widescreen mythtv themes? i managed to find only 1 so far |
| [16:12:10] | skd5aner: | mythcenter |
| [16:12:16] | wagnerrp: | mythcenter and childish |
| [16:12:26] | sphery: | yutrevasdik: In MythTV 0.24+, Utilties/Setup|Setup|Theme Chooser |
| [16:12:52] | sphery: | yutrevasdik: Then MENU and something about show online themes |
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| [16:13:18] | yutrevasdik: | mythcenter is what i currently use (i'm on 0.23). i'll look into childish |
| [16:13:22] | sphery: | and it will show you all the available themes, and tell you (or at least show through the screenshot) if they're widescreen or square |
| [16:13:33] | sphery: | childish is designed for children |
| [16:13:51] | sphery: | it's a great theme--orders of magnitude better than MythCenter, but you can see it's designed for children |
| [16:13:55] | yutrevasdik: | oh. i think i no longer qualify, then :) |
| [16:14:34] | sphery: | skd5aner: thanks for mentioning that in there... I didn't feel I could ask to remove that minutes after asking to remove exact seeking :) |
| [16:14:54] | sphery: | yutrevasdik: for real, use the Theme Chooser to look at what's available. |
| [16:15:13] | skd5aner: | heh |
| [16:15:22] | yutrevasdik: | sphery: i don't have plans to upgrade to 0.24 any time soon |
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| [16:15:29] | sphery: | yutrevasdik: also note that you can use X/Y offset and GUI width and height to letterbox a widescreen theme on a non-wide display |
| [16:15:46] | sphery: | ah, well, I'd say that's a mistake... 0.24 is /way/ better than 0.23 |
| [16:15:55] | sphery: | and 0.22 is MythTV Vista |
| [16:16:06] | yutrevasdik: | sphery: interesting suggestion re gui offset – hadn't thought of that |
| [16:16:10] | wagnerrp: | yutrevasdik: unless you have all sorts of custom patches, upgrading mythtv is generally fairly trivial |
| [16:16:30] | sphery: | yutrevasdik: especially if you're on *buntu... http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds |
| [16:16:42] | sphery: | though should be relatively easy on any distro that provides packages |
| [16:16:45] | skd5aner: | Vista gets a worse wrap than it deserves :P |
| [16:16:54] | yutrevasdik: | sphery: i'm using mythbuntu LTS (10.04) and want to stick with the fairly stock installation |
| [16:16:55] | skd5aner: | not saying it's awesome, just sayin |
| [16:17:00] | skd5aner: | it's not like Windows ME (shudder) |
| [16:17:03] | sphery: | skd5aner: I agree... Vista with modern hardware drivers is basically heavyweight Win7 |
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| [16:17:30] | sphery: | skd5aner: it was just the hardware drivers that were a problem--and the fact that the base computer configuration you needed for Vista was expensive back in the day |
| [16:17:55] | sphery: | that said, it's a great way of conveying that 0.22 is a good one to upgrade away from :) |
| [16:18:01] | wagnerrp: | thats not true |
| [16:18:02] | skd5aner: | althought I've gotten very used to being able to drag and drop fullsize windows from one monitor to the other with Windows 7 that when I switch to a non-windows 7 machine it REALLY annoys me |
| [16:18:08] | wagnerrp: | you could disable all the graphical crap |
| [16:18:13] | mhedi: | <sphery>: I think that directfb is supported by mythtv where's the problem ? |
| [16:18:24] | skd5aner: | sphery: true :) |
| [16:18:26] | wagnerrp: | and drop it down to something with about as much requirements as WinXP |
| [16:18:35] | sphery: | mhedi: I'm saying no one has used directfb for years, and we haven't maintained it, so you'll have to fix it if you want it |
| [16:18:38] | wagnerrp: | mhedi: you dont want to use directfb |
| [16:18:46] | wagnerrp: | even if mythtv still supposedly supports it |
| [16:18:50] | sphery: | mhedi: we /know/ that it won't compile... you'll get errors like, well, exactly like you got |
| [16:19:02] | wagnerrp: | you want to use opengl, and failing that xv |
| [16:19:04] | skd5aner: | mhedi: I guess the better question is – why do you feel you need to use directfb? |
| [16:19:11] | sphery: | what gpu does the appletv have? |
| [16:19:21] | wagnerrp: | 1GHz P-M |
| [16:19:24] | sphery: | and I'm assuming this is an appletv with a real cpu and not an A4, right? |
| [16:19:25] | tgm4883: | yutrevasdik, I'd recommend the mythbuntu teams repos as well |
| [16:19:45] | tgm4883: | sphery, http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos ;) |
| [16:19:52] | wagnerrp: | sphery: real cpu? |
| [16:20:06] | sphery: | tgm4883: heh, oops, will start linking there. thanks |
| [16:20:21] | tgm4883: | sphery, yw. Both links work, but we would prefer the /repos one |
| [16:20:26] | JEDIDIAH__: | the atv is basically just an iphone without the screen. |
| [16:20:29] | wagnerrp: | that A4 is probably about comparable to the P-M in the older one, maybe a bit less floating point |
| [16:20:36] | mhedi: | I don't have X11 in my board and I won't to port mythtv on it so that's way I'm interesting to DirectFB |
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| [16:21:04] | sphery: | wagnerrp: but not a CPU that we've targeted, and, therefore, one that would likely require custom modifications to get MythTV to compile |
| [16:21:16] | wagnerrp: | ah, yes... ill agree there |
| [16:21:25] | sphery: | here real was supposed to mean "one that MythTV is known to work on" |
| [16:21:31] | wagnerrp: | mhedi: does the board support opengl es? |
| [16:21:36] | mhedi: | yes |
| [16:21:44] | wagnerrp: | then use that instead |
| [16:21:55] | mhedi: | haw ? |
| [16:21:56] | yutrevasdik: | tgm4883: i'll give the repos some thought. trying to stay away from projects that will draw me into computer tinkering and away from other work i need to do |
| [16:21:57] | skd5aner: | in current development master |
| [16:22:00] | wagnerrp: | with 0.25 |
| [16:22:21] | sphery: | mhedi: X11 will take all of 9MB of space |
| [16:22:44] | tgm4883: | yutrevasdik, well just in case it wasn't mentioned, 10.04 has a pre-release version of MythTV. The only way you will get a released version is via those repos that we linked |
| [16:22:50] | sphery: | maybe 12MB with binaries (which you'll need if you want it as a frontend system) |
| [16:23:04] | tgm4883: | yutrevasdik, the mythbuntu team recommends the repos as well |
| [16:23:09] | mhedi: | <wagnerrp> haw ? |
| [16:23:13] | yutrevasdik: | tgm4883: I see. thanks for the heads up on that |
| [16:23:20] | tgm4883: | yutrevasdik, yw |
| [16:23:21] | wagnerrp: | mhedi: by using 0.25 |
| [16:23:26] | sphery: | yutrevasdik: yeah, definitely worth upgrading to 0.23-fixes at least if you're using 10.04 |
| [16:23:49] | mhedi: | <wagnerrp> haw can I activate it |
| [16:24:00] | tgm4883: | yutrevasdik, the good news is that 0.23 isn't getting any more fixes, so you should only need to do it once :) |
| [16:24:01] | sphery: | yutrevasdik: though if you go that far, it's not really any harder to just go to 0.24-fixes :) |
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| [16:24:26] | sphery: | and 10.04 + 0.24-fixes seems to be a very stable platform for MythTV |
| [16:24:26] | yutrevasdik: | sphery: thanks. looking into it now . . . |
| [16:25:13] | skd5aner: | yutrevasdik: yea, also- the further you get behind, the harder the upgrade and the "harder" it is to make the transititon to latest mythtv – not that it's hard, just more stuff changes |
| [16:25:23] | sphery: | and, fwiw, even Live TV works well in 0.24-fixes |
| [16:25:37] | skd5aner: | sphery: surprisingly, that's a true statement |
| [16:25:58] | sphery: | but the change from pre-0.23-fixes in 10.04 to 0.24-fixes is still easy |
| [16:26:03] | sphery: | so now is a great time |
| [16:26:22] | sphery: | skd5aner: yeah, glad Mark and Taylor got that fixed up |
| [16:26:26] | skd5aner: | act now, and get 4 more copies of MythTV deb packages... FREE! |
| [16:26:31] | sphery: | heh |
| [16:26:38] | skd5aner: | sphery: they're rockstars |
| [16:26:48] | sphery: | and not the kind with hot coffee |
| [16:27:15] | skd5aner: | or cucumber codpieces |
| [16:28:05] | mhedi: | <wagnerrp> haw can i download it |
| [16:28:07] | mhedi: | ? |
| [16:28:15] | sphery: | skd5aner: heh, don't know that one |
| [16:28:21] | skd5aner: | Spinal Tap :) |
| [16:28:24] | wagnerrp: | mhedi: https://github.com/mythtv/ |
| [16:28:28] | sphery: | ah, should have guessed |
| [16:28:47] | wagnerrp: | sphery: all this tv you have recorded, you dont watch much movies do you? |
| [16:29:17] | sphery: | don't watch many, but still record a ton :) |
| [16:29:28] | sphery: | actually, it's the reason I will be adding tagging support to MythTV |
| [16:29:33] | skd5aner: | sphery: http://www.clipjunkie.com/Spinal-Tap-Airport- . . . vid4953.html |
| [16:29:48] | sphery: | (so you can put an unlimited number of tags on each recording, then filter by tags or "not tags") |
| [16:32:01] | skd5aner: | sphery: I'm assuming you were referring to GTA with your hot coffee reference? |
| [16:32:02] | mhedi: | <wagnerrp> so I disable X11 and I enable OpenGL ES and it works ? |
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| [16:32:33] | sphery: | skd5aner: yeah, GTA 4, by Rockstar games |
| [16:32:36] | skd5aner: | mhedi: it's still preliminary support, but it's a step forward and will only get better, and not backward with a dying protocal |
| [16:32:59] | skd5aner: | sphery: thought so – perhaps mythtv should have a hidden hot coffee mod ;) |
| [16:33:05] | wagnerrp: | mhedi: i presume you still need X11 |
| [16:33:08] | sphery: | mhedi: pretty sure--unless I'm way out of the loop--you'd need X11 still |
| [16:33:38] | sphery: | mhedi: in other words, right now, MythTV on *nix requires X11 |
| [16:34:03] | wagnerrp: | sphery: the OSX builds need X11? |
| [16:34:21] | sphery: | skd5aner: I think you just create a custom recording rule and name it "Hot Coffee" |
| [16:34:33] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I said *nix, not *cos :) |
| [16:34:34] | skd5aner: | bow chicka bow wow |
| [16:34:39] | sphery: | no clue about Mac OS |
| [16:34:57] | wagnerrp: | its a truer *nix than Linux |
| [16:35:12] | sphery: | but it doesn't have nix anywhere in its name :) |
| [16:35:18] | skd5aner: | just because you're bsd fanboi |
| [16:35:22] | wagnerrp: | and Linux does? |
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| [16:35:34] | sphery: | yeah lINuX |
| [16:35:35] | sphery: | :) |
| [16:36:22] | sphery: | wagnerrp is probably one of these people who thinks order is important... and thinks that cause must follow effect and such |
| [16:36:58] | skd5aner: | Why isn't MythTV support on BeOS yet?! |
| [16:37:16] | skd5aner: | or NeXT |
| [16:37:26] | yutrevasdik: | k. somthin went wacky |
| [16:37:33] | wagnerrp: | cause follows effect? what weird temporally f-d up universe are you living in? |
| [16:37:38] | yutrevasdik: | now mythfrontend won't start |
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| [16:38:05] | yutrevasdik: | wget'd http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/mythbuntu-repos.deb |
| [16:38:17] | yutrevasdik: | did dpkg -i on that |
| [16:38:32] | yutrevasdik: | selected 0.24 |
| [16:38:45] | yutrevasdik: | did apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade |
| [16:39:02] | sphery: | yutrevasdik: how many systems do you have? also, you might need to restart after the upgrade... there were rumors that the package manager didn't always restart things cleanly |
| [16:39:09] | sphery: | easiest way is to reboot |
| [16:39:15] | yutrevasdik: | single FE/BE |
| [16:39:16] | sphery: | but all systems much be updated |
| [16:39:25] | sphery: | ok, yeah, then likely if you reboot all will be well |
| [16:39:31] | sphery: | if not, please pastebin the logs |
| [16:39:45] | yutrevasdik: | i just rebooted, that's when mythfrontend stopped starting |
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| [16:40:41] | sphery: | how about those logs... backend and frontend logs, please |
| [16:41:05] | yutrevasdik: | can i get logs from an ssh session? like cat /sumthin/er/other >logs-file.txt? |
| [16:41:17] | sphery: | likely they're in /var/log/mythtv or something |
| [16:41:25] | sphery: | should be files in there |
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| [16:42:51] | yutrevasdik: | ok. found 'em |
| [16:43:13] | yutrevasdik: | but first let me paste the following short output here, if i may . . . |
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| [16:43:27] | sphery: | Ah, great... Opera is supporting WebP (Google's H.264-like JPEG replacement), which is a terrible idea on so many counts. Now people might start actually using it. |
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| [16:43:35] | tmkt: | and flock is dead.. |
| [16:43:36] | tmkt: | sad day |
| [16:43:50] | yutrevasdik: | me@my-mythbuntu:~$ sudo apt-get upgrade |
| [16:43:50] | yutrevasdik: | Reading package lists... Done |
| [16:43:50] | yutrevasdik: | Building dependency tree |
| [16:43:50] | yutrevasdik: | Reading state information... Done |
| [16:43:50] | yutrevasdik: | The following packages have been kept back: |
| [16:43:50] | yutrevasdik: | mytharchive mythbrowser mythgallery mythmusic mythnetvision mythtv-backend mythtv-common mythtv-frontend mythtv-themes |
| [16:43:50] | yutrevasdik: | mythtv-transcode-utils mythvideo mythweather mythweb |
| [16:43:51] | yutrevasdik: | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 13 not upgraded. |
| [16:43:51] | yutrevasdik: | me@my-mythbuntu:~$ mc |
| [16:44:07] | tmkt: | what about apt-get dist-upgrade |
| [16:44:08] | sphery: | yutrevasdik: ideally anything 3 lines or more goes into a pastebin |
| [16:44:13] | yutrevasdik: | that didn't work so well . . . |
| [16:44:28] | tmkt: | even then...more of a #ubuntu-mythtv question |
| [16:44:45] | sphery: | yeah, looks like you'll need to get help from someone who knows *buntu |
| [16:44:46] | yutrevasdik: | tmkt: hmmm, dist-upgrade just to get 0.24? |
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| [16:45:18] | skd5aner: | tgm4883: ^ |
| [16:45:34] | tmkt: | doesn't hurt |
| [16:46:00] | sphery: | Hmmm... Apples and Oranges--which is smaller and faster? http://code.google.com/speed/webp/gallery.html |
| [16:46:14] | yutrevasdik: | looks like yer right tmkt |
| [16:46:16] | sphery: | I'm so disappointed in Google |
| [16:46:37] | yutrevasdik: | Calculating upgrade... Done The following packages will be REMOVED: libmyth-0.23–0 |
| [16:47:00] | skd5aner: | thats a good thing yutrevasdik |
| [16:47:05] | yutrevasdik: | The following packages will be upgraded: mytharchive mythbrowser mythgallery mythmusic mythnetvision mythtv-backend mythtv-common mythtv-frontend mythtv-themes mythtv-transcode-utils mythvideo mythweather mythweb |
| [16:47:15] | sphery: | now, we can move from JPEG--where licenses are pretty much resolved/resolving themselves--to WebP, based on VP8/WebM a.k.a. H.264, where we can have all new patent and licensing litigation over every image on the web |
| [16:47:35] | skd5aner: | force the hand... |
| [16:47:38] | skd5aner: | they can't sue everyone |
| [16:47:56] | skd5aner: | like jpeg or gif ever sued everyone back in the 90s? |
| [16:48:12] | skd5aner: | er, anyone |
| [16:48:43] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: sure they can if its a valid patent |
| [16:48:56] | skd5aner: | sure – go for it |
| [16:48:59] | sphery: | yeah, well seems that lawyers are willing to try these days, whereas in the '90s they had some restraint |
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| [16:49:52] | sphery: | tmkt: wasn't flock just announced a few months ago? |
| [16:50:09] | tmkt: | flock has been around for years |
| [16:50:18] | yutrevasdik: | about 40 months ago, prolly |
| [16:50:21] | tmkt: | version 2 was firefox based |
| [16:50:28] | wagnerrp: | flock? |
| [16:50:33] | tmkt: | flock 3.0 was crhome based |
| [16:50:35] | sphery: | oh, maybe I just saw an announcement when it went firefox? |
| [16:50:36] | tmkt: | www.flock.com |
| [16:50:41] | sphery: | or when it went chrome? |
| [16:51:01] | sphery: | ah, no, I'm thinking of RockMelt |
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| [16:51:23] | tmkt: | tried rockmelt..but its all facebookish |
| [16:51:32] | sphery: | Flock, The Social Web Browser vs RockMelt, Your Browser. Re-Imagined. |
| [16:51:44] | sphery: | RockMelt was supposed to meld all the social notworking garbage into the browser |
| [16:51:55] | sphery: | so "The Social Web Browser" got me confused |
| [16:53:11] | tmkt: | i just liked flock because the theme was nice..and great twitter/flickr integration |
| [16:53:39] | sphery: | I'm wondering what's going to happen with Thunderbird. Now that it's been demoted back to a labs project, I fear that it will die off slowly |
| [16:53:58] | tmkt: | it has? |
| [16:54:00] | sphery: | and since I'm the other guy who hasn't yet entrusted every conversation of his to Google, I still need a mail client |
| [16:54:14] | tmkt: | sphery: i had the google interface |
| [16:54:19] | ** tgm4883 reads backlog ** | |
| [16:54:38] | tmkt: | tried the google conversations plugin for thunderbird |
| [16:54:41] | tmkt: | but hated that too |
| [16:54:44] | tgm4883: | yutrevasdik, you should need to apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| [16:54:59] | tgm4883: | apt-get update would pull a list of updated packages |
| [16:55:27] | tgm4883: | apt-get upgrade would upgrade them, as long as there aren't any new dependencies or conflicts |
| [16:55:27] | sphery: | http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2011/04/04/inc . . . a-messaging/ |
| [16:55:46] | tgm4883: | apt-get dist-upgrade will install or remove packages based on new dependencies/conflicts |
| [16:56:19] | tmkt: | yeah...Thunderbird seemed to be missing the boat...they said 3.0 would have lightning built in.. |
| [16:56:22] | tmkt: | didn't happen |
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| [16:57:53] | tmkt: | and for some reason none of my gmail invites are being handled properly by thunderbird anymore |
| [16:58:47] | sphery: | tmkt: Lightning is there... (Lightning is the calendar component, right?) |
| [16:59:20] | wagnerrp: | didnt lightning get integrated, no longer a plugin? |
| [16:59:38] | sphery: | I only remember because I had to figure out how to hide it |
| [16:59:49] | yutrevasdik: | tgm4883: dist-upgrade did it |
| [17:00:01] | yutrevasdik: | i wouldna guessed |
| [17:01:09] | yutrevasdik: | i'm a long-time debian user – though not exactly a whiz at it |
| [17:01:44] | tmkt: | yeah |
| [17:01:47] | tmkt: | its not built in |
| [17:01:50] | tmkt: | i use it |
| [17:02:00] | tmkt: | wagner its a plugin still |
| [17:02:30] | sphery: | maybe debian pulls it out, but I compiled thunderbird from source and the only add on I compiled with it was enigmail, and I had the calendar |
| [17:02:40] | tmkt: | Hmm |
| [17:02:57] | sphery: | I'm guessing this is one of those "packagers allow users to not install a whole package" thing |
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| [17:08:37] | yutrevasdik: | re themes: as was said, the only 4:3 themes available seem to be mythcenter and childish |
| [17:10:14] | yutrevasdik: | i'm gonna try childish just to see if it suffers from the same porblems as mythcenter (ends of menu dialogs getting cut off) |
| [17:10:57] | CyberKnet: | error is "filesize(): stat failed for /usr/local/freeswitch/log/freeswitch.log" |
| [17:11:43] | CyberKnet: | hmm... a couple of symlinks fixed it |
| [17:11:43] | yutrevasdik: | yep. same problem as with mythcenter |
| [17:11:59] | CyberKnet: | ugh. wrong channel. sorry folks. |
| [17:13:01] | sphery: | tmkt: ok, now I'm thinking it's no longer in t-bird 3.1... I don't see it anywhere on my system |
| [17:13:01] | wagnerrp: | sphery: these barely implemented programs like mythcommflag are a PITA |
| [17:13:13] | sphery: | wagnerrp: how so? |
| [17:13:26] | wagnerrp: | since the new interface is not compatible with the partially implemented version |
| [17:13:33] | wagnerrp: | so i cant just include those parts i need |
| [17:13:41] | wagnerrp: | ive got to rewrite the whole thing to the new interface |
| [17:13:58] | sphery: | ah, you mean you're having to convert the "all-arg-processing-in-main" code to use mythcommandlineparser? |
| [17:14:09] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [17:14:18] | wagnerrp: | all arg processing except for the -O stuff |
| [17:14:20] | sphery: | yeah... but it was either you or me, so... :) |
| [17:21:28] | tmkt: | i'm on 3.3 right now..and no lightning |
| [17:21:33] | sphery: | so, I guess I must have built the lightning add-on at one time |
| [17:21:56] | sphery: | http://www.spreadthunderbird.com/node/610 -> Q: Is there a calendar in Thunderbird 3? A: There is not a built in calendar in Thunderbird 3. We looked at how our users were managing calendaring now and with so many different calendaring applications and tools we thought it would be best to integrate with these through add-ons such as the Lightning Calendar or Google Calendar Tab. |
| [17:22:21] | sphery: | so I guess because different users had different needs, they kept it as an add on |
| [17:23:33] | tmkt: | oh well |
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| [17:38:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | So has anyone besides mzb begun to use SSDs in their myth boxes yet? ;-) |
| [17:39:57] | wagnerrp: | for what purpose? |
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| [17:40:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | Database, and perhaps the OS too. ;-) |
| [17:40:51] | wagnerrp: | get more memory, innodb, and crank up the memory cache |
| [17:41:05] | wagnerrp: | mythtv doesnt write a whole lot to the db, except for the guide data downloads |
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| [17:41:08] | wagnerrp: | it just reads a whole lot |
| [17:41:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Heh... I could do that now. ;-) I've got 8GB memory now. ;-) |
| [17:41:27] | wagnerrp: | with more memory, the OS will be cached as well, no gains there with an SSD |
| [17:43:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | Just wondering, as I just bought an OCZ Vertex 2 60GB Sata II SSD with some amazon.com credits I got from work (a mini-bonus)... So I'm probably going to put that on my backend for the OS & DB, as I'm only using 30GB of my OS/DB disk now. ;-) |
| [17:44:35] | wagnerrp: | i wonder how much of a speedup SSDs would be over netboot... |
| [17:44:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | and Marcus says it sped up his machine so much that it 'feels' more like an 'appliance' now. – so I figured it was a worthwhile experiment. |
| [17:45:06] | wagnerrp: | considering network latencies are still a good order of magnitude better than hard drives |
| [17:45:29] | wagnerrp: | of course spending that extra couple a year running in standby rather than powering off would have the same effect |
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| [17:47:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: considering I've got 554 channels in my lineup(s), and tons of recordings and rules, etc, it can only help. ;-) |
| [17:52:48] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...I have thought about it but only because I've only got 3.5 bays free on my master backend and SSD hot swap trays would fit in those. |
| [17:53:19] | JEDIDIAH__: | I love not needing to open the case to muck around with my drives. |
| [17:54:00] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: what bootloader are you running? |
| [17:55:01] | sphery: | iamlindoro: so, I presume you're working on integrating all the design requirements specified on the -users list into the new channel editor, right? |
| [17:55:07] | wagnerrp: | AndyCap: pxelinux and a custom initrd |
| [17:55:20] | JEDIDIAH__: | for a frontend, SSD might be overkill. is there anything else in the 8G size range that would offer a speed boost over conventional HDD? |
| [17:55:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | JEDIDIAH__: Hehehe... ;-) I've got a monstrous case with 6 5–1/4" bays that has two Hot-Swap bay enclosures (5 3.5" SATA drives in 3 5–1/4" slots) |
| [17:55:53] | wagnerrp: | 6 5.25" bays? monstrous? |
| [17:55:56] | ** wagnerrp chuckles ** | |
| [17:56:13] | sphery: | guh, user on Trac telling people to add in triggers to strip null chars from various columns |
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| [17:56:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: yeah, compared to your case, maybe not, but it is still big. ;-) (24"x24"x7") |
| [17:56:35] | JEDIDIAH__: | My main machine has 9 bays but the cards I would need to populate all of those bays, what with the hot swap racks I would use... |
| [17:56:41] | sphery: | "let me just change the schema, so mine is different from every other schema in existence, and so that future upgrades may fail" |
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| [17:57:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | JEDIDIAH__: http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/HDDs.jpg |
| [17:57:46] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i like the guy who submitted a patch with an .sql file to update the database |
| [17:58:16] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: so tftp not http? |
| [17:58:36] | wagnerrp: | AndyCap: yes, tftp |
| [17:58:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | JEDIDIAH__: and... http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/case_mod/ ;-) |
| [17:59:09] | wagnerrp: | takes ~2 seconds after menu timeout to pull the kernel and start booting |
| [17:59:10] | JEDIDIAH__: | I've got one 5x3 bays. But room for 2 more. Just don't have the onboard SATA ports. |
| [17:59:13] | wagnerrp: | initrd is embedded |
| [17:59:47] | wagnerrp: | total boot is around three minutes |
| [17:59:50] | JEDIDIAH__: | my case is a "standard" case and shorter than yours I think. |
| [18:00:01] | JEDIDIAH__: | The whole front is 5.25 drive bays. |
| [18:00:13] | JEDIDIAH__: | ot |
| [18:00:26] | wagnerrp: | JEDIDIAH__: vents are on the bottom or side panel? |
| [18:00:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | JEDIDIAH__: Got a manufaturer/model number? That's just the case I'm looking for to build a linux-based duplicator for my church. ;-) |
| [18:00:51] | JEDIDIAH__: | it's murder finding cases that don't have those little nubby bits that get in the way of a 3-tall hot swap rack. |
| [18:01:01] | JEDIDIAH__: | I did "mod" mine for that. |
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| [18:01:16] | JEDIDIAH__: | my vents are on the top and side. |
| [18:01:19] | JEDIDIAH__: | it's a cooler master. |
| [18:01:27] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, yeah, for supporting the "will not be included in the kernel" patched kernel capability |
| [18:01:35] | JEDIDIAH__: | not really sure that the top vents are such a hot idea really. |
| [18:01:46] | wagnerrp: | JEDIDIAH__: heh... mine has cooling spacers ever 2-drives, much worse than those nubs |
| [18:02:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | JEDIDIAH__: Yep, I either bent them out of the way, or in the case of my case – it had some horizontal bars supports that were held in place by screws on both sides that I had to remove. ;) |
| [18:02:08] | wagnerrp: | but 3-in-2 bays work just fine |
| [18:02:20] | sphery: | wagnerrp: that said, I'd prefer patches that don't include db updates to those that do--too many users blindly apply patches, not realizing that db updates are serialized and they can break their systems by doing that |
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| [18:07:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | JEDIDIAH__: This one? http://www.coolermaster.com/product.php?product_id=3927 |
| [18:07:29] | JEDIDIAH__: | once you've done something once, there always seems like there is a more sensible way you could have done it. OTOH, I now have 2 identical racks in 2 different machines that make moving hot swap drives between machines nice and easy. |
| [18:07:46] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...yes. the 590 |
| [18:08:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | JEDIDIAH__: That's a very nice, clean case, and not to 'gamer' looking. ;-) That'll make a nice CD/DVD duplicator. ;-) |
| [18:09:15] | iamlindoro: | sphery: hahaha |
| [18:10:14] | JEDIDIAH__: | gamer cases don't seem to have so many drive bays. |
| [18:10:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | JEDIDIAH__: Yeah, well, there are some that do, and they're just plain ugly IMHO. ;-) |
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| [18:11:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | JEDIDIAH__: like this one: http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_res . . . t_id=0338051 |
| [18:15:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | Humph... Micro Center has a bunch of C.M. stuff, but not that case. Darn... (was looking for something local so I wouldn't have to ship it!) |
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| [18:16:06] | JEDIDIAH__: | I got my CM case at Frys. |
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| [18:16:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | JEDIDIAH__: bum! ;-) The nearest Fry's to me is ~1,800 miles away in Houston... DOH! ;-) |
| [18:18:19] | ** J-e-f-f-A <- jealous! ** | |
| [18:18:39] | ** J-e-f-f-A <3's Fry's !!! ** | |
| [18:19:34] | wagnerrp: | wasnt there some issue during some football game where comcast accidentally enabled copy protection, breaking a bunch of people's DVRs? |
| [18:21:11] | blinki: | wagnerrp: so last night when I went on my gentoo box and ran mythtv-setup, I saw no capture devices, no inputs, no channels, nothing. but it still loads backend properly, even after warning me in the log about no tuner cards. |
| [18:22:06] | wagnerrp: | blinki: than the users used for mythtv-setup and mythbackend have different config.xmls, pointed at different databases |
| [18:22:21] | wagnerrp: | or your tuner cards are defined for a remote backend |
| [18:22:31] | wagnerrp: | which bypasses the sanity check in the scheduler |
| [18:22:38] | wagnerrp: | but is still an unsupported mode of operation |
| [18:22:43] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...sounds like it's time for amazon prime. |
| [18:23:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | JEDIDIAH__: hehehehe... ;-) |
| [18:23:23] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...like a geek's QVC |
| [18:23:34] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: 1800? no... cant be that far |
| [18:23:45] | sphery: | blinki: in other words, it's likely you changed your host name or IP address (or DHCP did) |
| [18:23:50] | wagnerrp: | i know there are ones in indianapolis and phoenix |
| [18:23:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: for me, yep. ;-) Central MA. |
| [18:24:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ooh, there's a Fry's in IN? ;-)_ |
| [18:24:34] | wagnerrp: | yeah, got a friend who lives there |
| [18:24:54] | sphery: | lives in a Fry's ... wow |
| [18:25:13] | sphery: | probably not a lot of privacy during the day |
| [18:25:14] | wagnerrp: | its a big store, and they have a food court |
| [18:25:18] | sphery: | heh |
| [18:26:05] | ekristen: | hey wagnerrp is the mpeg2-ts available via the python api? |
| [18:26:19] | ekristen: | python bindings rather |
| [18:26:20] | wagnerrp: | ekristen: what do you mean? |
| [18:26:55] | ekristen: | I've been doing some reading on streaming mpeg2 and allowing seeking and starting and stopping anywhere in the stream |
| [18:27:15] | wagnerrp: | you have file access to the recording |
| [18:27:24] | wagnerrp: | if thats not what youre asking for, im confused |
| [18:27:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: humm.. 918 miles to the Fishers, IN Fry's for me... Let's see... that's $430 in gas round-trip at today's prices... DOH! |
| [18:27:48] | sphery: | wonder if ekristen should get in touch with dmbreton (or whoever that was last night)... I guess the inverse makes more sense. |
| [18:28:01] | blinki: | wagnerrp: I will check the operation of the backend now. |
| [18:28:05] | ekristen: | sphery: ? |
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| [18:28:25] | sphery: | ekristen: someone came into #mythtv last night looking to get streaming to the boxee working |
| [18:28:49] | ekristen: | sphery: ah nice, must not have seen my app yet |
| [18:29:25] | wagnerrp: | ekristen: he hadnt see the python bindings yet |
| [18:29:39] | wagnerrp: | sphery: how do you link to a time in beirdobot? |
| [18:29:45] | sphery: | ekristen: http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/4/2011-0 . . . -13:04:52:25 |
| [18:29:48] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ^^^ |
| [18:29:55] | sphery: | :) |
| [18:30:06] | sphery: | kill 2 questions with one answer |
| [18:30:39] | ekristen: | nice |
| [18:30:43] | ekristen: | reading the logs now |
| [18:30:44] | ekristen: | thanks |
| [18:31:33] | sphery: | anyway, it probably makes more sense for him to contact you since a) you're making progress, b) you're taking the right approach, c) he's the one who's coming to the task 2nd |
| [18:31:57] | sphery: | but he's now heard of your project, since wagnerrp linked it |
| [18:32:19] | wagnerrp: | sphery: well, hes taking the wrong approach... but thats only because boxee doesnt allow him to do it the right way |
| [18:32:37] | sphery: | well, "right" within the constraints of the boxee :) |
| [18:32:41] | wagnerrp: | i.e. adding direct file-over-protocol support into the plugin |
| [18:32:52] | sphery: | so right approach for the wrong hardware/software |
| [18:34:11] | wagnerrp: | ekristen: this is what i was trying to describe yesterday... http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/qmutexlocker.html |
| [18:34:44] | wagnerrp: | basically, you would just write a class that you handed the mutex, and when you exited the context, the object would be destroyed, and the mutex unlocked |
| [18:34:58] | ekristen: | makes sense |
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| [18:36:24] | wagnerrp: | basically... http://pastebin.com/ag0Fr5HH |
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| [18:38:06] | ekristen: | so instantiate that instead of the with and then destroy the object when done? |
| [18:38:27] | wagnerrp: | no, do nothing when done |
| [18:38:46] | wagnerrp: | when you exit the context, the object will lose all references to it |
| [18:38:59] | wagnerrp: | at that point, the garbage collector will destroy it, calling the destructor, which in turn releases the lock |
| [18:39:17] | ekristen: | true |
| [18:39:24] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, you have to manually unlock the lock at every return and raise |
| [18:39:36] | sphery: | kenni: thanks for asking the trigger guy to test your patch... I really don't like the idea of users modifying their schemas (especially since he didn't remind people to drop the triggers after the problem is fixed in mythtv) |
| [18:39:45] | wagnerrp: | plus you need to wrap the whole thing in a try: block in case there is an unpredicted fault elsewhere |
| [18:40:15] | ekristen: | so instantiate it at the beginning of try and when it leaves the try block it will get destroyed |
| [18:40:35] | wagnerrp: | with that, you dont need a try block |
| [18:40:41] | blinki: | wagnerrp: there's no config.xml in /home/mythtv/.mythtv/, which is what backend runs as. both frontend and backend are connecting to the same database "mythconverg". |
| [18:40:46] | wagnerrp: | basically, put that in place of the 'with' line |
| [18:40:51] | wagnerrp: | and youre done |
| [18:41:24] | ekristen: | oh due its in an event loop |
| [18:41:33] | ekristen: | when that exists the mutex gets destroyed |
| [18:41:54] | ekristen: | exits* |
| [18:42:35] | wagnerrp: | the event loop does not locking, only backendCommand |
| [18:45:24] | wagnerrp: | basically, you would end up with this... http://pastebin.com/xqgCQ9Xh |
| [18:46:00] | wagnerrp: | the 'mlock' object now holds the lock |
| [18:46:25] | wagnerrp: | so when you exit outside of that scope (of the try block), mlock is destroyed, and the lock is unlocked |
| [18:47:27] | wagnerrp: | the database access calls use a with context manager, but for different reasons, and thus will have to be handled differently |
| [18:47:48] | ekristen: | ok that makes sense, thanks, I'll give it shot in a bit and see how it goes |
| [18:48:49] | kenni: | sphery: sure, but I'm wondering how he could miss the discussions in the danish MythTV/mediacenter forums..all of the danish discussions about this issue points to a specific forum post in which I ask people to *please* test if the patch works...but since another user (I don't think it's the same user) posted a similar SQL trigger workaround, the interest in testing the patch went away :/ |
| [18:49:16] | kenni: | and that's not a solution |
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| [18:53:51] | wagnerrp: | sphery: RecordFilePrefix... is that the old <0.20 way of defining storage? |
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| [18:55:32] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yep |
| [18:56:21] | sphery: | kenni: yeah, sounds like he should have noticed the patch before... maybe he's using packages so trying to work around until the package has it |
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| [18:57:34] | sphery: | kenni: FWIW, I say just commit your patch (and, if desired cherry-pick it for 0.24-fixes right away)... I have a feeling it will take too long to get users to report success, and it looks like a safe enough patch. Worst case, it slows down EIT a bit and we can rework it (or remove it) later. |
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| [19:00:34] | sphery: | kenni: that way users would be able to pick it up in packages |
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| [19:01:10] | kenni: | sphery, ok, I thought about it too, but I'll commit it now |
| [19:01:32] | kenni: | seems like the danish community is even more slacky than I thought ;) |
| [19:01:53] | sphery: | heh, or maybe we should say that they do mythtv right--they use packages :) |
| [19:02:03] | kenni: | heh, yeah |
| [19:02:11] | sphery: | (which makes a lot of sense, unless you're actively modifying it) |
| [19:02:31] | sphery: | anyway, I'd like to see it go in since there's a relatively large base of users affected by it |
| [19:02:48] | sphery: | and feel free to blame me if we have future changes required or if it causes any problems :) |
| [19:03:19] | sphery: | it will be especially good if it keeps users from modifying their schemas |
| [19:04:13] | sphery: | anyway, I say put it in master, then cherry pick it to -fixes right away (even 0.23-fixes, if you want) |
| [19:04:45] | sphery: | don't know how many are still using that--then again, most who are probably have *buntu, so it would be easy enough for them to upgrade to 0.24-fixes |
| [19:07:14] | wagnerrp: | i really dont like it when people use the database in perl without using the MythTV module |
| [19:07:46] | wagnerrp: | "hey, ive got an idea! lets rewrite all this code that already exists to find the database' |
| [19:08:23] | wagnerrp: | (the database backup script being the single exception, since it is designed to operate independent of mythtv and schema versions) |
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| [19:11:51] | kenni: | hmm, what is the workflow for cherrypicking? git checkout fixes/0.24, git cherry-pick [hash], git commit?, git push??? |
| [19:12:31] | kenni: | ohh, well, it worked, just took a while before the mail arrived |
| [19:12:49] | wagnerrp: | no commit needed |
| [19:12:59] | wagnerrp: | cherry-pick includes the commit |
| [19:13:29] | wagnerrp: | also, skd5 aner requests you use -x, so it references the original commit |
| [19:13:34] | kenni: | but how do you change the commit message when cherry-picking? Eg. refs-> fixes? I though I'd seen that on -commits |
| [19:13:52] | kenni: | ok, I'll use -x in the future |
| [19:14:09] | wagnerrp: | you can rebase the commit before pushing, and change the commit message |
| [19:14:50] | wagnerrp: | and you can use fixes for both |
| [19:15:29] | wagnerrp: | if you commit a 'fixes #' on a branch previous to the currently marked branch, it will change it |
| [19:15:47] | kenni: | ahh, good point. Using fixes always instead is easier. |
| [19:15:49] | wagnerrp: | so if you commit a fix for trunk, it will close the ticket as fixed for trunk |
| [19:16:10] | wagnerrp: | if you subsequently cherry-pick to fixes/0.24, it will change the milestone to that instead |
| [19:16:14] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt work the other way |
| [19:16:24] | wagnerrp: | if you fix it for 0.24, and then forward port it to trunk |
| [19:16:30] | wagnerrp: | it will remain on the 0.24 milestone |
| [19:16:52] | kenni: | ok, I'll always fix master first, so it shouldn't be a problem – but nice to know |
| [19:22:03] | kenni: | is there a git command to check what's already locally comitted? Can't seem to find one |
| [19:23:12] | wagnerrp: | git log |
| [19:23:22] | wagnerrp: | i dont know how to tell the difference between local and remote commits |
| [19:23:50] | kenni: | ahh, thanks |
| [19:24:23] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I'm sure he used the old, broken myth.find_orphans.pl script as the basis of his script |
| [19:25:10] | sphery: | kenni: git cherry-pick --edit -x |
| [19:25:16] | sphery: | --edit allows you to edit commit message |
| [19:25:35] | sphery: | -x automatically adds cherry-picked from... |
| [19:25:49] | wagnerrp: | sphery: thats fine, doesnt mean he shouldnt fix it before pushing it to others |
| [19:26:13] | sphery: | yeah, or better, don't fix it and use the current, maintained one that you wrote |
| [19:26:21] | kenni: | thanks |
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| [19:32:44] | sphery: | So, companies that use stupid "could-be-faked" domain names for sending out their e-mail newsletters and ads (rather than using their real domain names) should be booted off the internet. Yeah, I'm looking at you, GameStop-email.com |
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| [19:33:16] | ekristen: | I can't figure out why I can't seek this http stream :( |
| [19:40:21] | wagnerrp: | sphery: is verbosity level stored anywhere in the database? |
| [19:40:40] | sphery: | no, it's runtime only |
| [19:40:51] | sphery: | so you can have different parts at different verbosities |
| [19:40:54] | wagnerrp: | ive just been hard coding the default 'important,general' inside the command line parser |
| [19:41:08] | wagnerrp: | and feeding that default into the parse_verbose_arg regardless |
| [19:41:25] | sphery: | why not just rely on the default picked by the logging code? |
| [19:41:43] | sphery: | and let the parser tell the app no value was provided for -v |
| [19:41:44] | wagnerrp: | i could do that too, but its just one extra check |
| [19:42:18] | sphery: | as someone who has plans for redoing logging, I prefer letting the logging code decide |
| [19:42:20] | GreyFoxx: | Anyone running dev code noticed issues playing matroska files that previously played just fine? |
| [19:42:37] | wagnerrp: | any non-boolean value will return whether or not it was supplied on the command line when run with toBool |
| [19:42:47] | GreyFoxx: | Apparently a bunch of my daughters movies are having issues :) |
| [19:42:48] | sphery: | (since in my future design, different loggers will use different defaults--do db logging gets maybe important and console gets important,general, etc.) |
| [19:45:49] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: all I've heard about mkv is that a) if you create a seek table for some mkv videos (containing h.264, iirc), it can break playback and b) there was a fix put in that allowed use of 1536kbps DTS streams, which seemed to only occur in "MKV always from the same [source]" |
| [19:46:07] | Beirdo: | OMG, a fix on fixes/0.23? |
| [19:46:15] | sphery: | what source that was wasn't mentioned in channel, but I have my suspicions |
| [19:46:40] | sphery: | Beirdo: heh, we do what we can to keep users from modifying schemas and adding triggers :) |
| [19:46:49] | sphery: | besides, kenni wanted to up his commit count |
| [19:46:50] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:46:51] | sphery: | :) |
| [19:46:59] | Beirdo: | well, that is a good thing too |
| [19:47:04] | GreyFoxx: | I've never once made a seek table for an mkv, but several of my daughters dvd rips have started "crashing" in certain spots. Apparrently she can restart and skip past it, but often it will happen again later |
| [19:47:10] | GreyFoxx: | log entries look like : 2011-04–11 15:59:56.376 [matroska,webm @ 0x7f0bea1439c0]Read error at pos. 1226536176 (0x491b74f0) |
| [19:47:23] | sphery: | hmm, so it's webm |
| [19:47:47] | sphery: | not h.264? |
| [19:47:56] | GreyFoxx: | My wife says it had happened several times in the last week |
| [19:47:58] | sphery: | not sure what might cause that |
| [19:48:10] | sphery: | sounds unrelated to the 2 things I've heard about |
| [19:48:15] | GreyFoxx: | Honestly it should say h264 |
| [19:48:16] | Beirdo: | I'll take a look over this autoexpire code here while I have a moment |
| [19:48:32] | GreyFoxx: | let me dig up some info about one of the videos |
| [19:48:34] | sphery: | ah, maybe ffmpeg/libav are using shared code for mkv/webm stuff |
| [19:48:43] | sphery: | (I didn't know how to parse that message :) |
| [19:48:50] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [19:48:57] | Beirdo: | mkv is a container, webm is a codec, no? |
| [19:49:09] | sphery: | if it has 1536kbps audio, it may be related to the audio fix that went in |
| [19:49:15] | sphery: | then again, if it doesn't, it may be related... |
| [19:49:31] | sphery: | Beirdo: I think webm has a container and a codec specified, doesn't it |
| [19:49:42] | Beirdo: | I'm not sure anymore |
| [19:49:52] | sphery: | http://www.webmproject.org/code/specs/container/ |
| [19:49:55] | GreyFoxx: | H264 video, AAC audio |
| [19:49:55] | Beirdo: | too many things for my brain to try to track simultaneously |
| [19:49:57] | sphery: | WebM is a digital multimedia container file format promoted by the open-source WebM Project. It comprises a subset of the Matroska multimedia container format. |
| [19:50:01] | sphery: | explains the code sharing |
| [19:50:07] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
| [19:50:44] | Beirdo: | GreyFoxx: did you have any new logs with just the autoexpire gacking after the patch? |
| [19:50:53] | wagnerrp: | i didnt think we had support for webm yet |
| [19:51:24] | GreyFoxx: | I'll turn on audio logging and see if I can reproduce it once I get home. I haven't seen it in action myself but am looking at the FE logs from here |
| [19:51:45] | sphery: | so webm container + VP8 codec + Vorbis audio codec |
| [19:51:51] | sphery: | = WebM |
| [19:52:19] | sphery: | wagnerrp: guessing it was just pre-support mention of webm in the ffmpeg code? |
| [19:52:20] | GreyFoxx: | nope, but I can likely generate some once I get home |
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| [19:52:58] | Beirdo: | GreyFoxx: K, no problemo. Just code reading here, and was wondering how much of the code path I can get from logs |
| [19:53:29] | GreyFoxx: | I can launch it with -v all, and trigger it |
| [19:53:33] | GreyFoxx: | see what I can see |
| [19:53:36] | Beirdo: | sure |
| [19:54:07] | iamlindoro: | github commit bot off the rails again |
| [19:54:15] | Beirdo: | stupid thing |
| [19:54:17] | Beirdo: | sigh |
| [19:54:22] | iamlindoro: | not your fault |
| [19:54:25] | Beirdo: | just not sending squat again? |
| [19:54:30] | iamlindoro: | seems so |
| [19:54:41] | Beirdo: | hmph |
| [19:54:44] | iamlindoro: | just IRC, mind you, the e-mail still came through |
| [19:55:00] | Beirdo: | ah. Well, that's better than nothing at all |
| [19:55:20] | Beirdo: | still makes me want to poke them with a sharp stick :) |
| [19:55:33] | sphery: | we need to move our git to our new server (which means we need to get our new server in place) and then have a beirdo bot handle it |
| [19:55:48] | sphery: | what's the word on the new hardware? is it shipped/there yet? |
| [19:55:51] | Beirdo: | Hmmm, I'd have to add git support :) |
| [19:56:03] | sphery: | I'm sure you'd git it done |
| [19:56:15] | Beirdo: | not sure if the Captain has received the HW yet |
| [19:56:37] | Beirdo: | yeah, I could add more to beirdobot, it's always a possibility |
| [19:56:49] | wagnerrp: | the captain? |
| [19:56:52] | sphery: | ahhh, probably has to file the paperwork promising he won't export it and all :) |
| [19:56:59] | Beirdo: | as opposed to Tenille |
| [19:57:04] | Beirdo: | or whatever :) |
| [19:57:17] | sphery: | wagnerrp: CM has found some hardware he's getting donated |
| [19:57:21] | Beirdo: | yeah, the new hardware was from our crazy A-Team Captain :) |
| [19:57:41] | wagnerrp: | oh, i though you were shipping something to him for some reason |
| [19:57:46] | sphery: | so guess doing the new software doesn't make a lot of sense without the new hardware |
| [19:57:55] | wagnerrp: | "wait... isnt he on the complete opposite side of the states from our co-loc?" |
| [19:57:56] | sphery: | assuming SD isn't pressing us to get off their hosts |
| [19:58:02] | Beirdo: | that said, we should be able to wipe the old server and rebuild it soon |
| [19:58:13] | sphery: | wagnerrp: there's this company... they have trucks... |
| [19:58:21] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:58:40] | Beirdo: | one of those companies (with Yellow trucks) has 295lb of desk heading my way |
| [19:58:57] | Beirdo: | shipped all the way from Quebec (by the Maine border) |
| [19:59:22] | Beirdo: | should get it Tuesday :) |
| [19:59:37] | wagnerrp: | i really dont like this HasBackendCommand command... |
| [20:00:23] | sphery: | wagnerrp: "If you have a package, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire... The FedEx Team." |
| [20:00:42] | sphery: | Beirdo: DHL? |
| [20:00:45] | wagnerrp: | i thought they had giant pigeons |
| [20:00:53] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:00:56] | Beirdo: | no Yellow |
| [20:00:57] | sphery: | I thought they only did USPS co-shipping in the US, now |
| [20:01:08] | sphery: | ah, I thought DHL was yellow + red |
| [20:01:21] | sphery: | who's yellow? |
| [20:01:23] | sphery: | I know brown |
| [20:01:26] | Beirdo: | YRC is the new company name. yellow + Roadway |
| [20:01:36] | sphery: | ohhh... I see |
| [20:01:50] | Beirdo: | the trucks used to say "YELLOW" on them :) |
| [20:01:52] | sphery: | had heard of roadway, but not yello/yrc |
| [20:02:03] | Beirdo: | I think Yellow may have been the Canadian division |
| [20:02:21] | sphery: | ah, that makes sense |
| [20:02:33] | Beirdo: | I know I saw a lot of them growing up anyways |
| [20:03:21] | Beirdo: | 295lb for a desk though. holy crapola |
| [20:03:38] | Beirdo: | but it is a U-shaped, and with a hutch on one side |
| [20:03:44] | sphery: | wagnerrp: as the guy doing the rewrite, you could come up with something better |
| [20:04:08] | ** wagnerrp dodges the crack of the whip ** | |
| [20:04:10] | sphery: | wagnerrp: eventually, assuming we use a good name for non-backend functionality and move it to somewhere other than mythbackend, we can remove it completely |
| [20:04:33] | wagnerrp: | im just moving the command into mythbackend itself for now |
| [20:04:39] | wagnerrp: | since thats the only place its ever used |
| [20:05:05] | Beirdo: | I think I see where the autoexpire messages are from |
| [20:05:07] | sphery: | i.e. get all that --printsched and --testsched and --systemevent and --event stuff moved over to a mythutil or mythtools or ... |
| [20:05:23] | sphery: | especially since many just send messages to the backend using proto |
| [20:05:48] | Beirdo: | logs actually were useful |
| [20:05:52] | wagnerrp: | but theyre many many wonderful messages sent to the backend using proto |
| [20:05:53] | sphery: | wagnerrp: sounds like a good plan. then when we separate stuff out, it can go away |
| [20:06:03] | Beirdo: | it whines immediately after running CalcParams(); |
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| [20:13:53] | wagnerrp: | that seems to be the last of it, everything compiles |
| [20:14:17] | wagnerrp: | guess i should spawn off a duplicate database and start testing things |
| [20:14:59] | wagnerrp: | also, ive got all these changes to MPUBLIC, where do i change the api version? |
| [20:17:04] | Beirdo: | GreyFoxx: another patch (to go on top of the previous one): http://www.beirdo.ca/~gjhurlbu/test/0001-More . . . Expire.patch |
| [20:17:53] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: libmythbase/mythversion.h I believe |
| [20:23:57] | wagnerrp: | seems jalopnik is starting to run articles in preparation of the 24-hours of Lemons |
| [20:24:29] | wagnerrp: | theyre covering one guy running a Geo Metro refitted with an old taurus SHO engine |
| [20:24:50] | wagnerrp: | seems when they were buying the car, the owner wanted $200 |
| [20:25:04] | wagnerrp: | when they told him what it was for, he couldnt stop laughing so they got it for $150 |
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| [20:51:49] | cerise8192: | No one saw that, right? |
| [20:51:51] | cerise8192: | Right! |
| [20:52:18] | cerise8192: | I just bought a Hauppage WinTV-HVR-2250 and installed it. |
| [20:52:30] | cerise8192: | The driver loads and all seems right with the world there. |
| [20:52:45] | cerise8192: | My problem is that I'm trying to figure out exactly how to connect this with my cable provider. |
| [20:53:12] | cerise8192: | Should the card be plugged in before or after the cable box? I assume before, so that's how I set it up. |
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| [20:54:08] | cerise8192: | When MythTV does a scan in setup, it can't find any channels, so I'm assuming that I did something wrong. |
| [20:54:27] | wagnerrp: | you should not be scanning if you are plugged into a cable box |
| [20:54:45] | wagnerrp: | the RF input should be connected straight to the cable line |
| [20:54:55] | wagnerrp: | and used to pick up analog cable, and any unencrypted digital cable |
| [20:55:04] | wagnerrp: | the svideo inputs should be connected to your cable boxes |
| [20:55:35] | wagnerrp: | and you should have input groups configured to handle mutual exclusion with handling six inputs with only two independent inputs |
| [20:56:01] | wagnerrp: | analog cable, and analog capture from your cable boxes, should be pulled from your schedules direct lineup, rather than scanned |
| [20:56:15] | wagnerrp: | digital cable should be scanned, and then matched to the xmltvids on your schedules direct lineup |
| [20:56:30] | wagnerrp: | however do understand that you are only likely to get those local broadcast channels unencrypted |
| [20:56:37] | cerise8192: | That was surprisingly useful. 8) |
| [20:56:40] | wagnerrp: | everything else will have to be routed through your cable box |
| [20:59:38] | cerise8192: | Ok — let me rephrase and be sure I got everything. in essence, the card should be plugged in directly to the wall via coax and to the cable box by way of an svideo cable. |
| [21:00:01] | cerise8192: | I already setup schedules direct, so that part should be good. |
| [21:00:03] | wagnerrp: | yes, two cable boxes since that card has two inputs |
| [21:00:22] | wagnerrp: | one on the back of the card, the other on the included daughter card |
| [21:00:57] | cerise8192: | Marvelous. I'm going to rush right out and grab an s-video cable. |
| [21:01:01] | cerise8192: | I wasn't sure I needed that. |
| [21:01:06] | cerise8192: | Thanks a ton. 8) |
| [21:01:08] | sphery: | wagnerrp: when changing the public binary api used by plugins, you need to change the binary version in libs/libmythbase/mythversion.h |
| [21:01:17] | sphery: | (did I answer the right question?) |
| [21:01:45] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but so did beirdo like 45 minutes ago |
| [21:01:45] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [21:01:48] | Beirdo: | sphery: after I already did :) |
| [21:01:49] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:01:52] | sphery: | heh |
| [21:01:55] | sphery: | didn't see his reply |
| [21:02:00] | Beirdo: | I beat you for once |
| [21:02:02] | sphery: | ah, see it now |
| [21:02:04] | Beirdo: | have a nice nap? |
| [21:02:11] | wagnerrp: | and the first attempt... fails horribly |
| [21:02:13] | sphery: | thought that was part of his discussion with the Foxx |
| [21:02:23] | wagnerrp: | thats disappointing |
| [21:02:38] | sphery: | wagnerrp: are you planning on pushing the command-line parser changes separately from all the rest of your work? |
| [21:02:43] | sphery: | is that what you're testing, now? |
| [21:02:52] | wagnerrp: | yeah, its in its own branch |
| [21:03:00] | wagnerrp: | with any luck, will be pushed tonight |
| [21:03:03] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [21:03:39] | wagnerrp: | except for the fact that it seems to be doing exactly nothing currently |
| [21:04:10] | sphery: | Beirdo: was a multi-mile nap--in th eheat of the evening |
| [21:04:31] | sphery: | wagnerrp: meh, who needs command-line args, anyway? |
| [21:04:46] | sphery: | real users use butterflies |
| [21:11:19] | GreyFoxx: | Bierdo, same crash |
| [21:12:30] | Beirdo: | hmmm. |
| [21:12:41] | Beirdo: | GreyFoxx: with the second patch in? |
| [21:12:46] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
| [21:12:58] | Beirdo: | K. Crap :) |
| [21:13:06] | GreyFoxx: | http://www.pastebin.ca/2046143 |
| [21:13:09] | Beirdo: | so it happens when the slave connects, is that it? |
| [21:13:23] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
| [21:13:36] | GreyFoxx: | I've yet to have it happen if no slave is connected |
| [21:13:49] | GreyFoxx: | but if a slave connections almost always happens within 10–15 seconds |
| [21:13:53] | GreyFoxx: | err connects |
| [21:14:11] | Beirdo: | K. There has to be a reason for it. |
| [21:15:51] | Beirdo: | heh, pastebin.ca is taking its royal time |
| [21:16:10] | Beirdo: | it musta pulled a Harper, and took an extended vacation. |
| [21:16:40] | wagnerrp: | if i have the parent class constructor set to call a method |
| [21:16:50] | wagnerrp: | and the child class constructors call the parent constructor |
| [21:16:57] | Beirdo: | there it goes. |
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| [21:17:00] | wagnerrp: | and that method is a virtual, overridden in the children |
| [21:17:10] | wagnerrp: | the parent should call the child's method, right? |
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| [21:17:26] | Beirdo: | I believe so |
| [21:18:44] | wagnerrp: | ... because its calling the parent's method |
| [21:18:46] | wagnerrp: | crapola |
| [21:21:36] | wagnerrp: | there we go... and the help generator looks like crap |
| [21:23:16] | wagnerrp: | because i never actually record the maximum argument length |
| [21:24:32] | wagnerrp: | http://pastebin.com/M4NbgZbw |
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| [21:33:58] | sphery: | wagnerrp: nice |
| [21:34:16] | sphery: | I take it "commandlineparser" is the branch name? |
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| [21:35:06] | sphery: | wagnerrp: any chance we can hid some of the help output (specifically -V, because of the "[internal use only]") |
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| [22:14:09] | yutrevasdik: | this doesn't seem normal. i'm making a dvd image of a recording on my system (BE/FE) that has 3 gb of RAM in it. it's taking forever, so i check htop: all 3 gb of RAM is in use (I didn't put a swap partitiion/file on this system since i thought with 3 gb i wouldn't need 1) |
| [22:16:59] | Beirdo: | I guess you were wrong |
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| [22:21:18] | yutrevasdik: | Beirdo: so does it seem normal to you that it should take 3 gb of RAM to create a dvd image from a recording? |
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| [22:21:49] | yutrevasdik: | on my previous machine i had 1.7 gb of RAM and this never happened |
| [22:22:06] | Beirdo: | I dunno |
| [22:22:15] | Beirdo: | I stopped burning DVDs like 6 years ago |
| [22:22:37] | yutrevasdik: | very helpful |
| [22:24:19] | Beirdo: | but obviously, it's using more ram than you thought, so assuming you don't need swap is likely a bad assumption |
| [22:26:34] | Beirdo: | and without knowing what all you are using to make a DVD, there's no way to tell if the memory usage is reasonable |
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| [22:32:28] | Beirdo: | eureka! |
| [22:32:35] | Beirdo: | I think I've found the problem |
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| [22:38:58] | Twooey: | Hey all, I have a question about firewire and cable boxes. I'm living in a comcast area, and I know I'm getting a moto box. The PC I'm using doesn't have built in firewire and I'm trying to make sure I get a decent card, as I hear some chipsets are funky. I'm also wondering if the movie channels tend to be usable this way, I know they can be flagged and then not usable. I've looked around |
| [22:38:59] | Twooey: | for answers, but I've had a hard time finding any |
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| [22:41:45] | Wicked: | Twooey, from my personal experience with comcast...u only get bare bone minimum. |
| [22:42:00] | Wicked: | as in locals and thats about it |
| [22:42:29] | Twooey: | That's what I've been worried about. Through buisness I'm getting practically everything for just about nothing in cost, and I really want to build a nice media center |
| [22:42:29] | Wicked: | chances of any movie channels being in the clear are super super slim |
| [22:43:11] | Wicked: | best bet it to buy a card thats capable of capturing from your stb from component/composite |
| [22:43:14] | Twooey: | I've heard the opposite though from what I've read, Comcast tends to be pretty decent, and TW tends to be horrible |
| [22:43:21] | Wicked: | i just picked up a hdpvr and its fantastic. |
| [22:43:49] | Wicked: | well im in boston, mass and had comcast and i got the very minimum channels |
| [22:44:00] | Wicked: | i think in total it was 5–8 channels in the clear |
| [22:44:01] | Twooey: | were you using firewire then? |
| [22:44:13] | Twooey: | I'm in central pa btw |
| [22:44:26] | Wicked: | firewire was a mess. it was like they would sometimes shut my firewire off so i could not watch tv from it |
| [22:44:49] | Wicked: | i tried fw for a couple weeks but it was so unreliable and flakey that i gave up using it |
| [22:45:15] | Wicked: | i then also had a hd homerun for a while which uses qam....again i only got the barebone minimum channels |
| [22:45:18] | Twooey: | Alot of what I've read says it depends compleatly on your firewire card, a bad card will work horribly, but a good card will make it nice |
| [22:45:30] | Wicked: | and for me...not worth the money and i quickly returned the hdhr |
| [22:45:32] | Twooey: | Comcast has been ditching qam |
| [22:45:52] | Wicked: | well |
| [22:45:56] | Wicked: | i just got verizon fios |
| [22:46:27] | Wicked: | and using the same firewire card i was able to get about 5x as many channels as i did with comcast |
| [22:46:44] | Twooey: | I guess its just hit and miss. Some people have it great, and some don't |
| [22:46:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | Wicked: Nice... I've got FiOS too, but since I have HD-PVR's, I just did that. |
| [22:47:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | Wicked: I didn't even try grabbing anything via Firewire, I just use it for channel-changing. |
| [22:47:11] | Wicked: | comcast i barely could get the local channels to record. with fios...i get all the locals....then some good channels as well(history, discovery, comedy central....) |
| [22:47:31] | Twooey: | FiOS isn't (in terms of service) all that much better then cable, but thats another arguement |
| [22:47:53] | Wicked: | J-e-f-f-A, in the boston are here and firewire with fios is actually pretty good...i was getting many many channels they did not have to put in the clear |
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| [22:48:14] | Twooey: | are you getting your movie channels? |
| [22:48:14] | Wicked: | fios is SOOOOOOOO much better then cable in my experience |
| [22:48:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | Twooey: I dunno, I've seen c*cast up here in MA, and it's re-compressed and gets blurry with any high motion. Not so with FiOS. |
| [22:48:33] | Wicked: | no. all premium channels(hbo, shotime...) are encrypted |
| [22:48:37] | Twooey: | I mean technology wise :D but that another story |
| [22:48:57] | Twooey: | thats whats been worrying me, I'd be really nice to have those |
| [22:48:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | Wicked: Ooh, we're in the same area. ;-) I'm 26 miles west of Boston. ;-) |
| [22:49:34] | Wicked: | ah. well with comcast...i was unable to watch certain channels due to bad signals...they even came and installed signal boosters....but i was still not able to record about 5 channels i should have been..by record i mean watch them. |
| [22:49:55] | Wicked: | J-e-f-f-A, ah. im in the plymouth area...about 30 miles south of beantown |
| [22:49:58] | Twooey: | lol, I can handle all that <-- Ham Radio... I know signals :P |
| [22:50:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | The only problem with the HD-PVRs is that they lock up from time to time, and have to be power cycled to reset them. |
| [22:50:25] | Twooey: | Wicked, do you pay for them I should ask :P if your not I wouldn't expect it to work :P |
| [22:50:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | Wicked: Hehehe... ;-) |
| [22:50:37] | Wicked: | same house wires...with comcast...every channel comes in as it should...and since i dont need a signal booster anyomre...i dont have annoying lines |
| [22:50:45] | ** J-e-f-f-A H8s 0-byte recordings! ** | |
| [22:50:55] | Wicked: | Twooey, pay for what? |
| [22:51:02] | Wicked: | the channels that did not come in? |
| [22:51:54] | Twooey: | the movies |
| [22:52:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | I need to put the HD-PVRs on X-10 appliance modules, and write a script to auto-detect 0-byte recordings, and which tuner they occurred on, an automatically 'bounce' that HD-PVR by power-cycling it for 10 seconds... <grr> |
| [22:52:11] | Twooey: | I'm just wondering if its 5c'd |
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| [22:52:49] | Wicked: | if so. yea. all the channels that would not come in where channels i payed for....iirc spike tv, cnbc where two. I could change channels to them....but the picture/audio would be glitchy and freeze every few seconds. |
| [22:53:04] | Wicked: | Twooey, yea. it was 5c'ed |
| [22:53:28] | Wicked: | i dont think there are any providers sticking premium channels in the clear |
| [22:53:49] | Twooey: | Darn that could be a pain, it looks like I will have to use a capture card, I'm ok with that though, just more stuff it get, any recommendations? |
| [22:54:11] | Wicked: | hdpvr |
| [22:54:21] | Wicked: | its a bit more...but lets you do HD |
| [22:54:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | yes, the Hauppauge HD-PVR ;-) Great unit... |
| [22:54:51] | Wicked: | if you will only bedoing SD stuff for the next couple years....ive had good expereinces with the pvr-150 |
| [22:54:58] | Wicked: | also by hauppauge |
| [22:55:12] | Twooey: | I have a decent SD capture card already, I use it for OTA |
| [22:55:15] | ** J-e-f-f-A <3 hauppauge. ** | |
| [22:55:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | Twooey: What? You get analog OTA? |
| [22:56:07] | Twooey: | Well we still do have a few repeaters on are area, they have special permits, but its also ATSC |
| [22:56:39] | Twooey: | the central PA region has alot of repeaters, so to replace them all is so much more then other markets, so they haven't done them all yet |
| [22:57:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | Twooey: What card? 1600? |
| [22:57:53] | Twooey: | some el cheapo Pinnacle one, but its done the trick. Though its a pain to set up right |
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| [22:58:29] | ** J-e-f-f-A hasn't even tried to scan analog... I don't think I could go back to Analog now anyways... I couldn't stand the image quality... ** | |
| [22:59:03] | Twooey: | We put an high antenna up, so we are getting the feeds from about 150+ miles away, though it works well 99% of the time |
| [22:59:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | Twooey: So in SD, you're doing encoding in software... very taxing. A Hauppauge 150/250/500 has a Hardware MPEG2 encoder, which will do all the encoding, using miniscule cpu cycles (if any!) |
| [22:59:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | Oh, and they're plug&play... |
| [23:00:16] | Twooey: | oh I know, I don't use it often |
| [23:00:36] | Twooey: | I inherited it from a buddy so i just mess with it every know and then |
| [23:01:33] | Twooey: | Oh the other question I had, is there any 100 or less frontend out there, or anything I can put together, this one I haven't looked at to heavily |
| [23:01:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ah... Anyways, if you want to record HD with Myth in the US – OTA = ATSC digital, and capturing from a STB the only sure-fire way is with a HD-PVR. |
| [23:04:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | Twooey: That totally depends on what you intend to play... And if you have an Nvidia 8xxx (or better) card handy, you can use VDPAU to to offload the mpeg decoding, so you can get away with a lesser cpu. |
| [23:04:55] | Twooey: | well this is only going to be the frontend as well, I suppose thats important |
| [23:05:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | Twooey: There are UPnP players out there, but don't expect a "MythFrontend" experience- it's basically a file browser, but they work pretty well otherwise. PS3 works as a UPnP frontend pretty good. |
| [23:06:51] | Twooey: | I'm considering an AppleTV, my landlord is an apple fanatic, and it would work pretty well, xbmc works great from what I've seen |
| [23:09:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | Twooey: Since switching to FiOS HD, I upgraded all my frontends to machines powerful enough to do decoding in Software, and have not regretted it one bit. I can't offer an opinion on AppleTV, or using xbmc with Myth as I've done neither. |
| [23:09:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | Anyways, it's late... I'm heading home! ;-) |
| [23:10:09] | Twooey: | OUch the HD PVR isn't cheap.... I'd be worth it if it had two inputs.... |
| [23:10:10] | sphery: | kormoc: so, disabling ncq didn't help. Still getting sata problems. |
| [23:10:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | Twooey: It's still worth it... |
| [23:10:46] | Twooey: | <-- No Money |
| [23:10:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | Sell a kidney? ;-) |
| [23:11:24] | Twooey: | I sold both.... |
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| [23:12:58] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i could make it so anything with an empty help description is ignored |
| [23:13:49] | sphery: | works for me... just figure there's no reason to say, "This is here, but don't use it" |
| [23:14:03] | sphery: | after all, ignorance is bliss |
| [23:14:33] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [23:21:45] | wagnerrp: | would open source software to run a cloud really be a cloud at that point? |
| [23:22:00] | wagnerrp: | the purpose of the cloud is that youre leasing only the time that you need on someone else's servers |
| [23:22:32] | wagnerrp: | if its open source, and now you run it on your own server farm, doesnt that eliminate one of the key prerequisites? |
| [23:24:10] | wagnerrp: | hehe... seems i havent hooked up '--help' properly |
| [23:24:22] | wagnerrp: | it works if theres an error, but not if you call it directly |
| [23:25:07] | JEDIDIAH__: | what kind of sata problems sphery? |
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| [23:31:50] | wagnerrp: | sphery: any use for a columnated 'options compiled in'? |
| [23:32:22] | kormoc: | sphery, yeah, it's the controller, RMA :( |
| [23:33:15] | sphery: | JEDIDIAH__: http://pastebin.com/UYZTr2P0 |
| [23:33:34] | sphery: | was doing ncq failures, then that type of stuff, but I disable ncq, now it's just that |
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| [23:33:40] | sphery: | kormoc: heh, yeah, RMA the RMA |
| [23:34:01] | wagnerrp: | nah, putting stuff in columns would be a lot of work for little gain |
| [23:34:19] | sphery: | I RMA'ed the drive specifically because "a 1.5TB HDD is worth $10", but now that it's going to cost another $10 to ship the broken one they shipped me back, it's approaching not worth it |
| [23:34:25] | sphery: | (not worth it for a drive I can't trust0 |
| [23:34:50] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, and it's not like it would help keep it out of the trac search :) |
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| [23:36:09] | sphery: | JEDIDIAH__: and eventually the drive just spins and the whole system locks up |
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| [23:44:59] | Beirdo: | GreyFoxx: you in? |
| [23:45:42] | Beirdo: | http://www.beirdo.ca/git/mythtv/patch/?id=29e . . . 2a569eef4e8e |
| [23:46:16] | Beirdo: | try that instead of the other two (it contains them), and see what logging occurs, I added some verbosity. |
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| [23:53:48] | wagnerrp: | why is verbose not working... |
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| [23:55:42] | Beirdo: | because it's being a PITA |
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| [23:55:44] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [23:57:20] | wagnerrp: | because verbose is being defined as a boolean? |
| [23:57:24] | wagnerrp: | wtf... |
| [23:58:05] | Beirdo: | interesting |
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