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| [01:27:47] | mycoDA: | Gumby – yeah is in mythtv-setup one of the tuner setup pages |
| [01:31:01] | Gumby: | mycoDA: I actually tried changing it there, but it kept going back to the original channel for some reason |
| [01:31:53] | Gumby: | even tried manually changing the default channel in the db and it'd keep getting reset to the old one |
| [01:32:53] | wagnerrp: | Gumby: 0.24 should give you some amount of time between returning control and dumping back to the main menu |
| [01:33:33] | wagnerrp: | it should pop up something like 'you should have received lock by now', and then will let you change the channel |
| [01:34:00] | Gumby: | wagnerrp: part of the problem is that I get a lock, there is just nothing being broadcast |
| [01:34:10] | Gumby: | I managed to get out of it by unplugging the coax |
| [01:34:12] | wagnerrp: | you get a partial lock |
| [01:34:21] | wagnerrp: | you lock on the multiplex, but you cannot find the desired PID |
| [01:34:24] | Gumby: | then turning on livetv, and changing the channel quickly |
| [01:35:04] | Gumby: | it'd happen in 0.23 but a quick edit of the db got me out of the mess |
| [01:35:16] | Gumby: | in 0.24, that doesnt seem to to work for some reason |
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| [02:10:48] | Chat7765: | /namemassive |
| [02:11:58] | Chat7765: | uhm... is... anyone ...saying anything? |
| [02:12:25] | [R]: | lol |
| [02:13:01] | wagnerrp: | just because we go more than two minutes without saying anything doesnt mean we care |
| [02:13:48] | Chat7765: | well where's all the "myth" stuff ??? |
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| [02:14:00] | wagnerrp: | what myth stuff? |
| [02:14:18] | mycoDA: | its all a myth |
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| [02:18:28] | wagnerrp: | guess he didnt have any questions after all |
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| [04:26:33] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, looks like Github isn't sending to #mythtv-commits any more, not that that's your responsibility, just wondered if you knew anything about that |
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| [05:01:57] | noisymouse: | hi, what is meant by "off-air channel"? |
| [05:02:24] | noisymouse: | after I did a scan it says it found 120 off-air channels. Would I actually be able to view any programs on these channels? |
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| [05:02:28] | iamlindoro: | A channel which is advertised in the program map but which appears at the time of scan not to be broadcasting |
| [05:02:36] | noisymouse: | ah ok |
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| [05:37:55] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: interesting. I'll go take a look and see if there's anything obvious |
| [05:38:08] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, it popped back in w/ Captain_Murdoch's last commit |
| [05:38:12] | iamlindoro: | so probably nothing to worry about |
| [05:38:31] | Beirdo: | ah, OK |
| [05:38:53] | Beirdo: | it does seem to occasionally miss some. not impressed by that, gotta say |
| [05:39:22] | iamlindoro: | It missed everything after 9 AM, basically |
| [05:39:28] | iamlindoro: | so a couple dozen |
| [05:39:35] | Beirdo: | holy crap |
| [05:39:38] | iamlindoro: | but not the end of the world, just used to seeing a notifier |
| [05:39:54] | Beirdo: | betcha someone there noticed it being broken for everyone or something |
| [05:40:26] | iamlindoro: | I bet you're right |
| [05:41:48] | Beirdo: | so I got all the rest of my sensor boards... and I screwed up every one of em by putting the wrong pad size for the voltage regulator. Oooops |
| [05:42:18] | Beirdo: | now I have to figure out how to retrofit or something. sigh |
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| [06:30:30] | jstenback: | is there a target date for 0.25 by chance? |
| [06:30:48] | wagnerrp: | none |
| [06:30:52] | jstenback: | k |
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| [06:58:50] | clever: | Beirdo: about ticket 3925, i could check my logs to see if its still happening and get you a sample, though i havent updated mythtv itself in ages |
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| [07:14:35] | Beirdo: | K |
| [07:14:49] | Beirdo: | it would be nice to be able to close old tickets |
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| [07:18:50] | clever: | Beirdo: the biggest anoying bug i have right now feels more like a qt one |
| [07:19:00] | clever: | mythfilldatabase spams the same error non-stop |
| [07:19:08] | clever: | i usualy dont notice it until my log file is 3gig |
| [07:20:13] | clever: | Beirdo: [mpeg2video @ 0xb6f53de0]warning: first frame is no keyframe, found a sample |
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| [07:23:55] | clever: | Beirdo: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1200803 do you want a sample of this file to see if it still breaks on recent trunk? |
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| [07:43:04] | clever: | Beirdo: leave me a PM if you want a sample of the file, i'm heading to bed now |
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| [07:51:30] | mycoDA: | wagnerrp – what is 0.25 like to run at the moment – is it reasonably stable? |
| [07:52:14] | wagnerrp: | as stable as you can ever expect a development branch to be |
| [07:53:36] | wagnerrp: | look at the volume of commits, and see if you want to keep up with that level of flux |
| [07:54:22] | wagnerrp: | ive not seen any deadlocks this cycle, but i have seen both frontend and backend segfaults |
| [07:54:31] | mycoDA: | where would i look? would only be updatin likely once a fortnight |
| [07:54:37] | mycoDA: | so damn sore |
| [07:54:58] | wagnerrp: | check the commit logs, check new tickets on trac |
| [07:55:04] | mycoDA: | sgfaulting is par for the course, just as long as the backend can recover lol |
| [07:55:20] | wagnerrp: | the backend does not recover from a segfault |
| [07:55:28] | wagnerrp: | but definition, its an irrecoverable fault |
| [07:56:19] | mycoDA: | i mean the OS restarting it – do realise that lol |
| [07:56:32] | mycoDA: | was rhetorical |
| [07:56:38] | wagnerrp: | well that depends on your OS restarting it |
| [07:56:48] | wagnerrp: | which frankly is a dangerous thing to do after a segfault |
| [07:56:57] | mycoDA: | whyso? |
| [07:57:05] | mycoDA: | endless loop creation? |
| [07:57:15] | wagnerrp: | among other issues |
| [07:57:21] | mycoDA: | in a fault generating condition in the database or HW |
| [07:57:32] | wagnerrp: | you cant just blindly restart a program |
| [07:57:45] | mycoDA: | buntu now seems to do it for mythfrontend too, drives me nuts |
| [07:57:46] | wagnerrp: | what if the fault occured in such a manner that restarting it would corrupt data |
| [07:59:25] | wagnerrp: | the only reason im willing to run trunk in production is because i snapshot everything |
| [07:59:39] | mycoDA: | hmmmm |
| [07:59:50] | clever: | biggest problem i can think of is the job-queue, the new backend may re-spawn already running jobs |
| [07:59:51] | wagnerrp: | my backend instance is snapshotted, and can be reverted or cloned off in about 30 seconds |
| [07:59:52] | mycoDA: | maybe should wait for 0.25-fixes rofl |
| [08:00:01] | clever: | which can turn nasty when you get 2 transcode jobs running on the same file |
| [08:00:17] | wagnerrp: | my frontends are snapshotted and i can reboot into any of the last three disk images |
| [08:00:25] | mycoDA: | fiancee acceptance factor is important, even if she is a former script kiddie |
| [08:00:50] | mycoDA: | i so wish i had your skillset wagnerrp lol |
| [08:01:20] | wagnerrp: | ive got documentation and initrds on my page on the wiki |
| [08:01:28] | mycoDA: | tho software engineering wouldnt have been as fun as production and promotions, and doing hardware for arts, would be damn handy now |
| [08:01:53] | wagnerrp: | its a nearly stock gentoo install, with a custom initrd for loading off iscsi |
| [08:02:23] | wagnerrp: | with just a series of images on the backend for booting off of, and a pxelinux menu for selection |
| [08:04:22] | mycoDA: | wow – surprised 'just' came in anywhere in that paragraph |
| [08:04:51] | clever: | sounds fairly similar to my rambooting gentoo systems |
| [08:05:01] | clever: | custom initrd on the usb stick copies the entire FS to ram, and then runs from that |
| [08:05:15] | wagnerrp: | 'dd if=/dev/null bs=1M count=4096 of=/your/new/disk/image' |
| [08:05:28] | clever: | i copied the entire image and make a fork of it for the frontend system |
| [08:05:41] | wagnerrp: | to edit, just do a loop device, and fdisk/newfs as normal |
| [08:06:03] | wagnerrp: | to update, copy that file, mount, chroot, and update |
| [08:06:59] | ** mycoDA thinks he has had too much oxycodone to take that in just now ** | |
| [08:07:10] | wagnerrp: | mines a bit more complicated, ZFS is maintaining cloning of the disks, so instead of a 4GB image, i get a few hundred megs of logs and updated programs |
| [08:07:43] | ** mycoDA regets this – looks amazingly handy for several things, including pxe bootings the frontends i plan to get around to setting back up lol ** | |
| [08:08:05] | clever: | my master and one slave are old pxe booting ubuntu roots |
| [08:08:31] | clever: | things are a bit backwards now, the master backend is network booting from an ex-frontend |
| [08:09:38] | jya: | is the font size used for the subtitle defined in the theme? |
| [08:09:39] | wagnerrp: | 'the master backend is network booting'... something just seems so wrong in that statement |
| [08:09:53] | mycoDA: | does the master backend need to be awake for recordings to happen on slaves? |
| [08:09:58] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [08:10:04] | mycoDA: | bugger |
| [08:10:07] | wagnerrp: | the master must be active for any operation in mythtv |
| [08:10:36] | clever: | wagnerrp: whats even more backwards, is that the master now has the most storage in the house |
| [08:10:50] | clever: | and is 100% storage 0% os, due to net booting |
| [08:11:04] | clever: | if anything, the master should be the netboot host |
| [08:11:05] | mycoDA: | had an offthought that a zacate or the like as a slave could run 24/7, just run up the master for database fillin and playback and schedule grabs and the like |
| [08:11:25] | mycoDA: | would be very power efficient |
| [08:11:37] | clever: | mycoDA: my master is currently a 400mhz P2 |
| [08:11:39] | wagnerrp: | an i3 would be very power efficient too |
| [08:11:51] | clever: | while it does work, rescueduling is painfully slow at times |
| [08:12:36] | clever: | i'm really pushing that system beyond what it was meant for, with 2.5tb of drives and everything |
| [08:12:51] | wagnerrp: | mycoDA: you can run a high end dual core i5 desktop for under 25W idle |
| [08:13:02] | clever: | i think XFS peggs the cpu on ocasion |
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| [08:15:53] | mycoDA: | spose – tho zacate is less flat out |
| [08:16:12] | mycoDA: | and DOES do proper power management |
| [08:16:40] | wagnerrp: | a zacate beats an atom hands down |
| [08:16:55] | wagnerrp: | but depending on your tuner and channel load, theyre both a bit underpowered for a master backend |
| [08:17:09] | wagnerrp: | how many tuners? how many channels? recording rules? |
| [08:17:28] | mycoDA: | 3 tuners, 15 channels, fair amount o rules |
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| [08:17:50] | wagnerrp: | digital? how many virtuals? |
| [08:17:53] | mycoDA: | hence thinking it would be nice if my x2 could just fire off chedules to it |
| [08:18:06] | mycoDA: | 15 transports, 5 channels |
| [08:18:19] | wagnerrp: | virtual tuners, multirec |
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| [08:18:34] | mycoDA: | ahh , 6 virtual tuners |
| [08:19:10] | wagnerrp: | 15 channels, youre probably using half of those |
| [08:19:21] | wagnerrp: | and considering theyre broadcast, there want be a whole lot of reruns |
| [08:19:32] | mycoDA: | doesnt sound like something that would be handy? the ability for it to just set a slave to record while it is off? |
| [08:19:48] | wagnerrp: | so im guessing... maybe 100–150 matches in your EPG period? |
| [08:19:50] | mycoDA: | actually end up using 5 sometimes |
| [08:20:23] | mycoDA: | just lookin |
| [08:22:09] | wagnerrp: | finding the shows to record is the easy part, placing them on the tuners is what takes time |
| [08:22:31] | wagnerrp: | so the more shows you have show up that need to be placed, the longer your scheduler runs are |
| [08:22:44] | mycoDA: | not bad – 154 |
| [08:23:10] | mycoDA: | tho a lot are dupes and the like |
| [08:23:14] | wagnerrp: | im currently getting around 70 matches, spread over 6 virtual tuners, takes me on average 3–4 seconds for a run |
| [08:23:20] | mycoDA: | proly 100 at a guess recording |
| [08:23:39] | wagnerrp: | a zacate would be able 6 seconds, and an atom maybe 7–8 |
| [08:23:54] | mycoDA: | little advantage to atom tho |
| [08:24:04] | mycoDA: | hmmmm |
| [08:24:13] | wagnerrp: | huh? no, atom would be slower (take more time) |
| [08:24:19] | mycoDA: | zacate actually might make a reasonable backend |
| [08:24:32] | mycoDA: | i mean over anything – isnt even power efficient |
| [08:24:39] | wagnerrp: | what really kills people are recording things like recurring news, thats on daily |
| [08:24:50] | wagnerrp: | or recording cable shows, where a single show might be on a dozen times a week |
| [08:25:02] | mycoDA: | zacate is optimised for media etc too, might help with marking and the like? |
| [08:25:10] | wagnerrp: | so a hundred rules might show up over a thousand matches |
| [08:25:16] | mycoDA: | youch |
| [08:25:35] | wagnerrp: | and that atom or zacate backend would be well over a minute on a scheduler run |
| [08:25:46] | wagnerrp: | and even my dual core opteron would be showing its age |
| [08:26:07] | wagnerrp: | runs over a minute start to have serious usability implications in mythtv |
| [08:26:12] | wagnerrp: | things like delayed recordings |
| [08:26:36] | wagnerrp: | there is not a single thing on the zacate 'optimized for media' |
| [08:26:44] | wagnerrp: | its a processor, with an embedded gpu |
| [08:26:49] | wagnerrp: | nothing more, nothing less |
| [08:27:06] | wagnerrp: | and since the GPU is of the ATI persuasion, its garbage under Linux |
| [08:28:37] | mycoDA: | remember reading AMD had tried (and succeeded) to make it perform particularly well in media tasks for it kick with cache optimisations, optimisation of simd instructions and the like |
| [08:29:44] | mycoDA: | like i said tho – head not real clear atm – had a lot of oxycodone, was in agony after mowing last part of back yard and whippersnipping |
| [08:31:08] | wagnerrp: | ouch, those things only have a single channel memory controller |
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| [08:33:17] | wagnerrp: | im going to bed... |
| [08:34:09] | mycoDA: | night mate |
| [08:34:20] | mycoDA: | must be wee AMs there |
| [08:34:35] | mycoDA: | ty once again for your wisdom and stimulation – i learn a lot from you guys |
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| [11:47:02] | rileyp: | Video is 3.1486 frames behind audio (too slow), dropping frame to catch up. |
| [11:47:14] | rileyp: | anyone want to help me |
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| [12:28:11] | rileyp: | VSYNC: DRMVideoSync: Could not open device /dev/dri/card0, No such file or directory |
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| [12:52:35] | rileyp: | http://pastebin.com/8jchQMeT any help much appreciated asrock ion mythbuntu |
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| [13:12:56] | markk: | rileyp: you probably need to change your deinterlacer to basic 2x or change your video display profile. and ion board is not going to be able to handle 1080i material using the advanced deinterlacer |
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| [13:35:56] | cleith: | Hello, anyone around this am? |
| [13:37:11] | cleith: | I must not be using mythgallery correctly... when I hit 's' for slideshow on a folder, the slideshow seems to play but the screen goes completely white (but there are transitions) |
| [13:37:36] | cleith: | Also, doesn't seem to want to recurse into subfolders. |
| [13:37:42] | cleith: | Is my setup messed up? |
| [13:38:14] | high-rez: | I'm around but i have no idea what the answer is ;) |
| [13:40:23] | cleith: | high-rez: no prob |
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| [14:15:45] | rileyp: | markk thnaks problem solved back on temporal 2x and no secondary deinterlacer |
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| [14:22:51] | markk: | rileyp: np |
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| [14:31:07] | eamon: | I'm building a new comp and I want a cap card with dual inputs for simultanious watch and record. What's a good one that'll work with european TV? |
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| [14:44:53] | eamon: | What's a recommended cap card? |
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| [14:55:06] | wagnerrp: | eamon: mythtv doesnt do simultaneous watch and record |
| [14:55:19] | wagnerrp: | for that matter, mythtv doesnt do livetv at all |
| [14:55:40] | wagnerrp: | you can watch an in progress recording a couple seconds behind live |
| [14:55:46] | wagnerrp: | but everything you do will be a recording |
| [14:56:10] | wagnerrp: | eamon: for broadcast digital tv in europe, you want a DVB-T tuner |
| [14:56:35] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not provide drivers, we only use cards that are accessible through the Linux DVB subsystem |
| [14:56:36] | eamon: | Any recommendations wagnerrp? |
| [14:56:44] | wagnerrp: | you can find an official support list here... |
| [14:56:46] | wagnerrp: | !url tuners |
| [14:56:46] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [14:56:55] | eamon: | for picture quality/stutter? |
| [14:57:29] | wagnerrp: | digital recordings have no picture quality |
| [14:57:39] | wagnerrp: | you either have fully recovered capture, or nothing |
| [14:57:44] | wagnerrp: | there is very little in between |
| [14:58:01] | eamon: | sometimes they break up, I'm wondering what's a card that wont let me down? |
| [14:58:57] | wagnerrp: | the picture breaks up because of insufficient signal |
| [14:59:10] | wagnerrp: | if you get sufficient signal, there is no difference in picture quality from one tuner to the next |
| [14:59:28] | eamon: | that makes sense |
| [15:01:29] | wagnerrp: | reference to the question in the other channel... (nearly) all digital tuners will do HD |
| [15:01:48] | wagnerrp: | the exception to that is some very old tuners you wont be able to find to buy even if you wanted to |
| [15:02:00] | wagnerrp: | that used USB 1.1, and had insufficient bandwidth for HD |
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| [15:05:36] | ugliefrog: | update my ubuntu to 11.04 beta now i cant configure my capture card it acts like its not there...works in windows...but the usual ivtv mpeg whatever selections are now gone any ideas |
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| [15:06:09] | wagnerrp: | if that card type is not available in the spinbox, it is because it has been compiled out of your binaries |
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| [15:07:07] | ugliefrog: | how do i get it back in? |
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| [15:07:50] | wagnerrp: | inform the mythbuntu people that apparently they are building without ivtv support, and wait for them to fix it |
| [15:07:57] | wagnerrp: | or build from source on your own |
| [15:08:15] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, on 0.24 or 0.25? |
| [15:08:23] | wagnerrp: | although i find it hard to believe that they would be building without ivtv support |
| [15:08:28] | wagnerrp: | at least not without good reason |
| [15:08:47] | ugliefrog: | well maybe a reinstall would help ill give that a whirl |
| [15:09:16] | tgm4883: | i'll look now if you tell me what version |
| [15:09:30] | wagnerrp: | ugliefrog: ^^^ |
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| [15:10:32] | tgm4883: | holy F how did that happen |
| [15:10:48] | tgm4883: | someone must have moved a dependency into another package! |
| [15:11:08] | ugliefrog: | lol..what?...i dont understand the guru speak |
| [15:11:17] | ugliefrog: | reinstall or no |
| [15:11:32] | ugliefrog: | or just wait |
| [15:11:51] | tgm4883: | Video4Linux sup. no |
| [15:11:51] | tgm4883: | ivtv support no |
| [15:11:52] | tgm4883: | HD-PVR support no |
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| [15:12:17] | wagnerrp: | so digital only for mythbuntu users... |
| [15:13:33] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, only for 11.04 though |
| [15:13:36] | tgm4883: | which is beta right now |
| [15:13:39] | tgm4883: | for obvious reasons |
| [15:13:53] | wagnerrp: | (like having no analog support... :)) |
| [15:14:52] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, heh yea |
| [15:15:00] | wagnerrp: | ugliefrog: looks like youll need to wait a day for the next daily build cycle to pick up the fix |
| [15:15:32] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, I don't suppose there is a way for us to make the build fail if some support we want isn't enabled |
| [15:16:02] | tgm4883: | like if we use --enable-ivtv and then the dependency isn't there it fails |
| [15:16:17] | wagnerrp: | you could scan config.mak afterwards for specific lines |
| [15:16:25] | wagnerrp: | between configure and make |
| [15:17:27] | tgm4883: | hmm |
| [15:17:34] | tgm4883: | not sure we can do that on a PPA |
| [15:17:43] | tgm4883: | was hoping there was some switch for that |
| [15:17:53] | tgm4883: | I'll bug superm1 with that |
| [15:20:18] | ugliefrog: | Ok its settled then...I will wait..thank you for the Guruness |
| [15:20:23] | ugliefrog: | :) |
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| [15:50:59] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: the gentoo guy doesnt understand he needs to click 'new capture card' to add a new capture card |
| [15:51:46] | wagnerrp: | oh... v4l2 issues in 2.6.38? |
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| [16:07:19] | Nede: | hi chat!!!! |
| [16:07:21] | Nede: | I have a problem that previously had no audio. Whether in live music television in the 5.1 stutters occasionally, but if I remove and remit upmixer everything works correctly until the change the channel! |
| [16:07:51] | wagnerrp: | upmixer? |
| [16:08:14] | wagnerrp: | as in youre using mythtv's internal upmixer? |
| [16:08:26] | Nede: | hi wagnerrp ! Menu-Audio-Toggle audio upmixer |
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| [16:09:28] | wagnerrp: | ok, wanted to make sure you werent trying to use alsa or pulse upmixing |
| [16:10:31] | Nede: | wagnerrp, how do I do that? |
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| [16:11:18] | wagnerrp: | you dont want to, you want to use the upmixer you configured in mythtv's audio setup |
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| [16:14:38] | Nede: | wagnerrp, in setup, general audio mixer, mixer device is on software, but if I put ALSA: default does not change, I always stutter! |
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| [17:12:16] | orogor: | hi here anyone around ? |
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| [17:12:45] | orogor: | since about 2 weeks i can t tune dvb-t using any app, anyone may help ? |
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| [18:25:24] | orogor: | hi |
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| [18:49:41] | cleith: | Hello |
| [18:49:52] | cleith: | Anybody here use mythgallery? |
| [18:53:27] | wagnerrp: | technically not a meta-question, but dangerously close to one |
| [18:54:01] | [R]: | wagnerrp: so i found a hack for that 'hdpvr recordings have corrupt sound'... testing it now |
| [18:55:51] | cleith: | I have myth 0.24 and I can't seem to get mythgallery working, although it seems like it should be straightforward |
| [18:57:28] | cleith: | I have a folder full of pictures (under lots of sub folders). When I choose slideshow from a folder, it seems like something tries to fire, but I don't get a slideshow |
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| [18:58:00] | cleith: | Only way I can get a slideshow is if I navigate fully to a folder with only files in it |
| [18:59:01] | cleith: | wiki seems to imply I should be able to just hit slideshow at any point (in particular a folder), and mythgallery with recurse through with a slideshow |
| [18:59:41] | cleith: | Anyone know how mythgallery should work? |
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| [19:13:33] | cleith: | just realized that if I turn off OpenGL transitions, the slideshow will start after a very long time. Anyone else noticed this? |
| [19:14:36] | cleith: | Is there a main contact person for mythgallery? |
| [19:15:02] | wagnerrp: | not really at this time |
| [19:15:27] | Nede: | we already have a stable release date of 0.25? |
| [19:15:39] | wagnerrp: | no we dont |
| [19:15:51] | Nede: | ah ok thank's! |
| [19:16:30] | sphery: | cleith: which MythTV version? is this 0.24-fixes? |
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| [19:18:27] | cleith: | sphery: It claims to be 0.24.20101129–1 |
| [19:18:40] | cleith: | it is from rpmfusion rpm 0.24–5 |
| [19:18:40] | wagnerrp: | no it doesnt |
| [19:18:46] | wagnerrp: | it claims thats the api version |
| [19:18:57] | cleith: | wagnerrp: right |
| [19:19:03] | sphery: | are you using the OpenGL Theme Painter or Qt? |
| [19:19:09] | wagnerrp: | '--version' should remote either a subversion revision, or git changeset |
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| [19:19:19] | wagnerrp: | s/remote/provide/ |
| [19:19:59] | cleith: | sphery: yes, I believe so |
| [19:20:05] | cleith: | sorry |
| [19:20:19] | cleith: | OpenGL, I believe |
| [19:20:23] | sphery: | cleith: and do you have good video drivers, properly installed, and working with a good video card? |
| [19:20:45] | sphery: | it's quite likely the OpenGL just chokes your video card--especially if you're using any FOSS drivers, rather than nvidia proprietary |
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| [19:22:30] | cleith: | sphery: yes, I think so... It is an Nvidia GeForce GT 240 with Nvidia drivers |
| [19:23:31] | cleith: | sphery: when you ask about OpenGL, are you refering to something like "Use OpenGL for transitions..." within mythgallery itself, or something more general to all of myth? |
| [19:24:15] | sphery: | well, that card, with properly installed nvidia proprietary drivers should be pretty good |
| [19:24:27] | sphery: | was wondering about more general mythtv settings |
| [19:24:38] | sphery: | the entire mythtv UI |
| [19:24:51] | sphery: | just thinking that if you're using Qt painter, you may not know that your drivers aren't properly installed |
| [19:25:06] | sphery: | if you use the OpenGL painter, you should see slowness in normal menus |
| [19:25:13] | cleith: | sphery: ok. everything else, playback wise, works really well. |
| [19:25:13] | sphery: | if they're not properly installed |
| [19:25:18] | sphery: | not playback |
| [19:25:18] | sphery: | menus |
| [19:25:35] | sphery: | but it's the setting "Theme Painter" in frontend Appearance settings |
| [19:27:02] | sphery: | other option is to check your frontend logs for: Using the OpenGL painter |
| [19:27:07] | cleith: | sphery: although the slideshow eventually starts, it takes a really long time. If I set it to use OpenGL for transitions the slideshow "starts" faster, but with just a white screen instead of any picture |
| [19:27:32] | cleith: | sphery: yes, I can confirm from the frontend output it is using OpenGL painter |
| [19:28:25] | sphery: | are these huge pictures? If so, that may be part of it |
| [19:28:31] | sphery: | otherwise, maybe it's a problem |
| [19:28:52] | sphery: | (I don't keep pictures nor use MythGallery, so I don't know for sure) |
| [19:28:53] | cleith: | my photo library is pretty large, and it is in (crazy) fspot format, so there are lots of folders (year/month/day) |
| [19:29:09] | sphery: | I mean the individual pictures |
| [19:29:13] | cleith: | the pics themselves are pretty big too, I suppose |
| [19:29:30] | sphery: | like if you have 5000x3000 pixels or something, the video drivers have to downscale |
| [19:29:36] | sphery: | and they're /much/ more efficient at upscaling |
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| [19:30:22] | sphery: | but I'd guess if it was too slow to be usable on typical camera high-quality sizes, then we'd have heard more complaints |
| [19:30:28] | sphery: | so not sure what it would be |
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| [19:38:13] | cleith: | Actually, just realized something else interesting... |
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| [19:40:41] | cleith: | It doesn't take a long time to start, when there are subfolders of some kind to recurse through, the first several "pictures" are empty (I can count the transitions), and then the real slideshow begins. |
| [19:41:43] | cleith: | It is as if when mythgallery recurses through the folder structure it picks up some other files (directories maybe?) and counts them as if it need to display them? |
| [19:42:56] | cleith: | If I have a single folder with pics in it, the slideshow starts right away at the beginning of the set of pics |
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| [19:54:28] | cleith: | Is there a way to turn debugging on to hopefully see what those first few "pictures" are? |
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| [19:56:32] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: you about? |
| [19:56:57] | wagnerrp: | yep |
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| [19:57:39] | ekristen: | I am working on getting my app working with the 0.24 python bindings |
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| [19:58:14] | ekristen: | getting an error on the getRecorded() |
| [19:58:44] | ekristen: | when I call it on the recording, use to work on 0.23 seems like it might have been removed from 0.24, tried to find it in the upgrade guide but couldn't |
| [19:59:02] | wagnerrp: | like... Program.getRecorded()? |
| [19:59:57] | ekristen: | recs = be.getRecordings() , recs[1].getRecorded().watched |
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| [20:01:23] | wagnerrp: | unless you were looking to edit a recording, you shouldnt do that |
| [20:01:32] | wagnerrp: | and even then, you should use Recorded.getAllEntries() instead |
| [20:01:45] | wagnerrp: | if you must go that route, use Recorded.fromProgram() |
| [20:01:57] | platinum54: | Hi |
| [20:02:07] | ekristen: | so whats the best way to get all recordings? |
| [20:02:23] | platinum54: | who could help me to configure my tv card for mythtv? |
| [20:03:17] | platinum54: | anyone? |
| [20:03:42] | wagnerrp: | platinum54: were here to answer specific questions, not act as a guide |
| [20:03:51] | wagnerrp: | guides are typed up and available on the website |
| [20:04:11] | wagnerrp: | ekristen: depends on what information you need |
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| [20:04:38] | wagnerrp: | if you just want a list of recordings, be.getRecordings() will probably be the fastest |
| [20:04:54] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: my app works like this, I was using getRecordings() to generate a list of Shows and then their Episodes |
| [20:04:56] | wagnerrp: | if you want edit recordings, Recorded.getAllEntries() |
| [20:05:01] | ekristen: | don't want to edit |
| [20:05:03] | ekristen: | at this point |
| [20:05:06] | ekristen: | just want to read |
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| [20:05:23] | wagnerrp: | if you dont want to edit, just pull the Program list from the backend, and use the Program objects |
| [20:05:34] | platinum54: | wagnerrp: I think that my tv card could not be supported, but I did not found on website |
| [20:05:44] | platinum54: | so I not certly |
| [20:05:52] | wagnerrp: | platinum54: who's website? |
| [20:06:20] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: rgr, do those apis different between 0.23 and 0.24? I am working on trying to support both |
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| [20:06:38] | platinum54: | website www.mithtv.org |
| [20:06:48] | wagnerrp: | Program and Recorded should be largely the same |
| [20:06:55] | wagnerrp: | some of the individual methods may differ between them |
| [20:07:07] | ekristen: | rgr |
| [20:07:08] | wagnerrp: | platinum54: were just users of tuner hardware, not supporters |
| [20:07:13] | ekristen: | thansk |
| [20:07:34] | wagnerrp: | our list on the wiki is unofficial and not all encompassing |
| [20:07:53] | wagnerrp: | as the page you read mentioned, you should see the linuxtv list for the official support |
| [20:07:55] | wagnerrp: | !url tuners |
| [20:07:55] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
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| [20:08:19] | wagnerrp: | linuxtv is the project that writes the tuner drivers for linux |
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| [20:08:52] | platinum54: | wagnerrp: I am looking on the website just now |
| [20:09:02] | platinum54: | thanks |
| [20:09:32] | platinum54: | how can I know if it is recognized? |
| [20:09:42] | platinum54: | my tv card from mythtv |
| [20:09:43] | wagnerrp: | what type of tuner is it? |
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| [20:10:14] | platinum54: | saa7135 |
| [20:10:19] | platinum54: | asus |
| [20:10:25] | wagnerrp: | thats a chipset and manufacturer |
| [20:10:30] | wagnerrp: | need a name or a type |
| [20:10:47] | platinum54: | uhmm... |
| [20:11:02] | wagnerrp: | name would be 'asus my cinema <some model number>' |
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| [20:11:14] | wagnerrp: | type would be 'ATSC' or 'DVB-T' |
| [20:11:19] | platinum54: | P7p55 LX ASUS |
| [20:11:27] | platinum54: | dvb-T |
| [20:11:55] | wagnerrp: | p7p55 sounds awfully like a motherboard, rather than a tuner card |
| [20:12:06] | wagnerrp: | ... indeed it is |
| [20:12:12] | platinum54: | ops... |
| [20:12:40] | platinum54: | asus my cinema 7131 hybrid |
| [20:12:46] | platinum54: | :-) |
| [20:13:26] | platinum54: | it was P7131 |
| [20:13:57] | wagnerrp: | the p7131 hybrid should be supported from 2.6.28 and on |
| [20:14:16] | wagnerrp: | if detected properly, you should see the relevant device nodes in /dev/dvb/adapter0 |
| [20:14:34] | wagnerrp: | if you try to add a DVB DTV tuner in mythtv, mythtv will auto-detect it |
| [20:14:38] | platinum54: | I checking |
| [20:15:18] | platinum54: | ok there is adapter0 |
| [20:15:26] | platinum54: | inside there is frontend0 |
| [20:15:45] | platinum54: | net0 and so on |
| [20:15:46] | wagnerrp: | all you need to know is that the folder exists |
| [20:15:54] | wagnerrp: | if the folder exists, mythtv can use it |
| [20:15:57] | platinum54: | how I can try to add the DVB DTV turner |
| [20:16:02] | platinum54: | ' |
| [20:16:07] | platinum54: | ? |
| [20:16:21] | wagnerrp: | and when you try to add a DVB type card, mythtv will enumerate all available tuners, and let you select which one |
| [20:16:48] | platinum54: | I am using mythbuntu as OS |
| [20:17:05] | platinum54: | I thougt that was all auto |
| [20:17:22] | platinum54: | but I see that is not auto |
| [20:17:54] | wagnerrp: | thats why there is documentation on the website, and on the wiki, and mythbuntu howtos, to explain how to configure mythtv, including adding tuner cards |
| [20:18:45] | platinum54: | I can't see backend, it is normal? |
| [20:19:05] | wagnerrp: | what cant see the backend? |
| [20:19:31] | platinum54: | I need mythtv backend and forend to see tv |
| [20:20:05] | wagnerrp: | correct, the backend records, the frontend displays |
| [20:20:14] | wagnerrp: | but you shouldnt be running either of those at this point |
| [20:21:05] | platinum54: | ah, ok |
| [20:21:26] | platinum54: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ASUS_My . . . P7131_Hybrid |
| [20:21:35] | platinum54: | is this website ok for me? |
| [20:21:58] | wagnerrp: | that website just tells you that your card has been supported in linux for several years |
| [20:22:06] | wagnerrp: | as indicated by the fact that you see a /dev/dvb/adapter0 |
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| [20:25:10] | platinum54: | why mythfront end ask me a pin to access to tv? |
| [20:25:36] | platinum54: | security key |
| [20:25:42] | wagnerrp: | the frontend wants a pin to automatically detect the specific backend on the network you want to connect to |
| [20:25:57] | wagnerrp: | in the event there are multiple independent backends, such as a shared network in a dorm |
| [20:26:12] | platinum54: | and tell me an error because it could not find it |
| [20:26:40] | wagnerrp: | because your backend is not running |
| [20:26:49] | wagnerrp: | as i said, you should not be running the frontend or backend at this time |
| [20:26:54] | wagnerrp: | you should be configuring mythtv |
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| [20:27:02] | wagnerrp: | which is done by mythtv-setup |
| [20:27:16] | wagnerrp: | this is information that would be covered by reading install documentation |
| [20:27:33] | wagnerrp: | back to my original response, this channel is for specific questions, not hand holding |
| [20:28:20] | platinum54: | where I can found help? |
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| [20:30:40] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs or http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV-HOWTO or http://mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Index or http://mythbuntu.org/wiki/installation-guide |
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| [20:30:52] | wagnerrp: | crap, he left |
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| [20:33:44] | ekristen: | so wagnerrp I should still do be.getRecordings() correct to get the list of recordings on the system? |
| [20:34:26] | ekristen: | oh, Program.fromRecorded(rec[1]) ? |
| [20:34:34] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: ^^ would that be better? |
| [20:34:58] | wagnerrp: | the only reason to use Program.fromRecorded is if you need to build a ProgramInfo string to send commands to the backend |
| [20:35:03] | wagnerrp: | such as for deletion of recordings |
| [20:35:29] | ekristen: | ah, nope, so just do getRecordings() and iterate through it? |
| [20:36:49] | wagnerrp: | if you only need read-only access to the content, then MythBE.getRecordings() is your best option |
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| [20:37:17] | ekristen: | only need read-only for now |
| [20:37:20] | ekristen: | good to know |
| [20:37:29] | ekristen: | thanks |
| [20:38:09] | ekristen: | so I used to be able to get to the watched flag from getRecorded off of a recording object returned by getRecordings, but I can't find an upgrade document as to why it isn't working in 0.24 |
| [20:38:52] | wagnerrp: | Program does not include a 'watched' directly? |
| [20:39:47] | wagnerrp: | seems not |
| [20:40:47] | wagnerrp: | if you need the watched flag, or any other flag not available in Program |
| [20:41:06] | wagnerrp: | then either use Recorded.getAllEntries() or MythDB.searchRecorded(*kwargs) |
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| [20:43:27] | ekristen: | ok Recorded is not defined, is that off of the MythBE? or MythDB? |
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| [20:43:56] | wagnerrp: | Recorded is in dataheap.py |
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| [20:58:18] | ekristen: | is the XML interface not in 0.24 or did it move? |
| [20:58:37] | ekristen: | doesn't seem to be at IP:6544/Myth/ anymore? |
| [20:59:26] | wagnerrp: | the xml interface did not change between 0.23 and 0.24 |
| [20:59:35] | wagnerrp: | it DID change in 0.25, and change significantly |
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| [21:01:31] | ekristen: | yeah I read that note regarding 0.25, weird, the XML interface isn't on in my 0.24 install |
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| [21:07:35] | ekristen: | hrm, something is definitely wrong |
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| [22:27:22] | Gumby: | does mythtv run its own lirc? I'm trying to figure out what is grabbing IR input from my remote. I turned off lirc but I still have some (not all keys working) remote functionality in mythtv |
| [22:28:59] | wagnerrp: | Gumby: that probably means your remote is acting at least partially as a HID device |
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| [22:30:28] | Gumby: | damn remote!! |
| [22:30:30] | Gumby: | heh |
| [22:30:38] | Gumby: | confusing the heck outta me |
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| [22:36:31] | Gumby: | wagnerrp: do you know of any way to disable this? |
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| [22:43:41] | abarbaccia: | anyone using sandybridge out there with libva? |
| [22:47:46] | wagnerrp: | Gumby: nope |
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| [23:14:00] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: Got a backtrace, or at least a couple of backend log files? |
| [23:14:25] | sphery: | (from which I can make a more educated guess about whether it's something I know anything about :) |
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| [23:24:14] | GreyFoxx: | grabbing a backtracenow |
| [23:29:17] | GreyFoxx: | I'll put it an some logs into a ticket shortly |
| [23:31:00] | sphery: | cool--may be worth keeping both the master and remote backend logs |
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| [23:49:08] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9721 |
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| [23:51:42] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: thanks... it's interesting. Looks like it may be related to the myth_system changes |
| [23:51:48] | sphery: | I'll point Beirdo at it |
| [23:53:33] | GreyFoxx: | Cool. I was going to commit my IPv6 stuff but then when this started I thought it was the cause hehe |
| [23:54:44] | sphery: | strange, though, if it only started happening in the last week. It's been longer than that since he's made any changes |
| [23:55:15] | sphery: | wonder if it's related to https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/c4927c254 |
| [23:55:39] | sphery: | any chance you skipped about a month of updates there |
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| [23:57:07] | sphery: | (and, btw, looking forward to the IPv6 stuff going in) |
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