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| [00:21:50] | wagnerrp: | ugh... yet another fast and the furious movie... |
| [00:23:20] | Shadow__X: | if they want a driving movie about suspence they should a fast and the furious green edition. We are all in a race....to the highest mpg. I would love the quick cuts on that movie |
| [00:24:03] | wagnerrp: | well then it wouldnt be illegal street racing, since they would never make it past the speed limit |
| [00:24:19] | Shadow__X: | one word. Hills |
| [00:24:39] | wagnerrp: | soap box derbies? |
| [00:24:57] | Shadow__X: | that could be part of it |
| [00:25:04] | wagnerrp: | awesome! |
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| [00:52:22] | Twiggy2cents: | only if vin diesel is in the soap box race and when he shifts, fire goes through his transmission like in the first movie.... AND he pulls a wheelie! |
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| [00:59:20] | wagnerrp: | yes, because your transmission is part of your exhaust path |
| [00:59:30] | wagnerrp: | seriously? |
| [00:59:52] | wagnerrp: | i havent seen the first in like 10 years, and ive mostly blocked it from my mind |
| [00:59:54] | Twiggy2cents: | They think so in F&F1 |
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| [01:02:39] | Twiggy2cents: | That was the point I was trying to make. BTW I usually fail at most linux issues that you wouldnt have a problem with, but I am a ford tech and I am pretty sure exhaust/fire doesnt run though it :) |
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| [01:07:32] | wagnerrp: | but isnt exhaust particulate good for precision machinery? |
| [01:08:02] | wagnerrp: | carbon scoring FTW |
| [01:08:34] | Twiggy2cents: | That just fills in the gaps. It smooths gear transitions |
| [01:10:21] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
| [01:10:25] | Twiggy2cents: | and since we are talking about F&F1, just incase you didnt know. When you spray too much "NAWSSSS", your passenger floor pan doesnt fly off the car relasing a few handfulls of washers behind you... |
| [01:11:10] | wagnerrp: | well you know, the additional engine output torqued the frame, and stripped the bolts holding it in place |
| [01:12:28] | Twiggy2cents: | Hmm that is a valid point... Good think he used grade 8 bolts on the drivers seat! |
| [01:12:36] | Twiggy2cents: | He would of been flinstoning it! |
| [01:14:52] | wagnerrp: | i really dont understand the fascination with wheelies |
| [01:15:12] | wagnerrp: | do people not realize that if you pull a wheelie, it just means you have poor weight distribution? |
| [01:15:30] | wagnerrp: | you need more weight in the front for the torque |
| [01:15:44] | Twiggy2cents: | tractor weights hanging in the front ftw! |
| [01:16:22] | wagnerrp: | i mean as soon as your nose lifts off, youve topped out |
| [01:16:30] | wagnerrp: | nothing more you do could make you accelerate faster |
| [01:16:54] | Twiggy2cents: | Actually to be honest, the car vin diesel wheelied in the latest movie actually can wheelie at that speed on asphault. Which is pretty impressive. I dunno what they did to remove enough weight from the front for it |
| [01:17:32] | wagnerrp: | under its own power? or because they have a hydraulic ramp on wheels underneath the car? |
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| [01:19:08] | wagnerrp: | meh... i just cant wait until they stop pushing hybrids like theyre some psychoactive drug |
| [01:19:36] | Twiggy2cents: | Really, the only cars that wheelie like that are modified to do so with different springs, extra weight in rear, and lack of weight in front. A (Drag)car that wheelies gets like 2 inches off the ground then looses it because they have to shift. |
| [01:20:04] | Twiggy2cents: | That car wheelies under its own power |
| [01:20:05] | wagnerrp: | they also have wheelie bars to make sure they dont get more than those couple inches |
| [01:20:46] | Twiggy2cents: | yeah |
| [01:21:32] | Twiggy2cents: | hybrids are good for metro drivers, but what I want to see is LiPo or Li-Ion batteries in the hybrids |
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| [01:22:22] | wagnerrp: | no, hybrids are good because manufacturers dont want to take the leap and start producing big induction motors in sufficient quantity to make them economical |
| [01:22:25] | Twiggy2cents: | As far as I know they are still NiMH. I could be wrong though |
| [01:23:07] | Twiggy2cents: | By 2013 I think, Ford is going all direct injection vehicles and all but like 2 vehicles will have a turbo them |
| [01:23:34] | wagnerrp: | IC motors should not be connected to the drive train |
| [01:23:49] | Twiggy2cents: | What do you think about the Leaf or the Volt? |
| [01:24:13] | wagnerrp: | the leaf doesnt have enough power, and the volt is just another hybrid |
| [01:24:25] | Twiggy2cents: | I am pretty sure the volt is all electric |
| [01:24:43] | wagnerrp: | nah, it was supposed to be all electric, they advertised it as all electric |
| [01:24:54] | Twiggy2cents: | You are right |
| [01:25:00] | wagnerrp: | but its a planetary gear setup like the current prius |
| [01:25:13] | Twiggy2cents: | There is a hydrogen focus driving on the hydrogen highway in cali |
| [01:25:23] | Twiggy2cents: | a few actually, if they are still around |
| [01:26:35] | wagnerrp: | IMO, theres no point to using electric unless you start putting sufficient electric motors in there to properly do regenerative breaking |
| [01:26:52] | wagnerrp: | and the current batch of hybrids just dont have the motor output to handle that |
| [01:27:01] | Twiggy2cents: | It was a hybrid. It was more efficient to use the hydrogen to generate electricity through a semi permeable membrane making h2o and o2 than it was to use it as a fuel |
| [01:27:37] | Twiggy2cents: | Even under full braking the regen brake is working too. |
| [01:27:57] | wagnerrp: | sure, but its only recovering a small amount of the power |
| [01:27:59] | Twiggy2cents: | The problem is the whole nothing can be 100% efficient crap |
| [01:28:12] | Twiggy2cents: | But if you do light braking it is all regen |
| [01:28:24] | wagnerrp: | 100%, certainly not... but 80% is not difficult |
| [01:29:07] | Twiggy2cents: | The conventional brakes only work when you exceed the regens brakes capability, which doesnt really happen unless you are above in town speeds |
| [01:30:55] | Twiggy2cents: | That same battery is also running: a aux coolant pump, trans fluid pump, a/c(if its hot), radio and other accessories(including headlights), and the electric steering. So its not like you use 100% of spent energy on the motor propelling you |
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| [01:31:49] | wagnerrp: | true, and all those together are going to use a couple kW, and for cruise at highway speeds youre only going to be running maybe 30kW |
| [01:32:09] | wagnerrp: | i just really dislike the complexity that hybrids cause |
| [01:32:23] | wagnerrp: | electric motors are fantastically simple |
| [01:32:39] | Twiggy2cents: | Yeah but full electric is only for under about 13 mph then after that it is assist |
| [01:33:11] | wagnerrp: | just get a big motor, single speed transmission, and youre good with tons of torque all the way from 0 to some governed speed around 100mph |
| [01:33:25] | Twiggy2cents: | The cool part is that the engine rpm does not directly correspond to speed. The computer can put the rpm where ever it wants for charging the battery |
| [01:33:45] | wagnerrp: | the engine rpm should never directly correspond to speed |
| [01:33:50] | Twiggy2cents: | Yeah but it would draw a LOT of power on take off |
| [01:33:55] | wagnerrp: | since the engine should only be used to charge the battery/capacitor |
| [01:33:59] | Twiggy2cents: | With gears it would be less load at lower speeds |
| [01:34:21] | wagnerrp: | no, it wouldnt |
| [01:34:42] | Twiggy2cents: | I imagine you would modulate pulse width for speed right? |
| [01:34:52] | wagnerrp: | thats the problem |
| [01:35:10] | wagnerrp: | the controller used to run such a high powered induction motor would be very expensive to design |
| [01:35:11] | Twiggy2cents: | turning a set of gears that is 4:1 is much easier than 1:1 |
| [01:35:35] | wagnerrp: | im not saying have it ungeared, im saying have it single speed |
| [01:36:13] | wagnerrp: | but while such a controller is expensive now, its only because of economy of scale |
| [01:36:18] | Twiggy2cents: | But then you would have the trade off of speed or takeoff speed |
| [01:37:05] | Twiggy2cents: | a super heavy duty motor like that isnt going to spin to a high rpm, it would fly apart. Which is why it would need gears |
| [01:37:06] | wagnerrp: | cars dont need top end |
| [01:37:19] | wagnerrp: | theres no where in the US you can drive unregulated, except for the track |
| [01:37:20] | Twiggy2cents: | They do if they cant reach 65! |
| [01:37:53] | wagnerrp: | you really dont need anything more than 90 or so |
| [01:38:15] | wagnerrp: | and an electric motor is going to produce nearly as much torque at zero RPM as it is at peak |
| [01:39:05] | Twiggy2cents: | That is true, but it would be faster with better ratios. |
| [01:39:12] | wagnerrp: | why would you want faster? |
| [01:39:15] | wagnerrp: | what does it get you? |
| [01:39:37] | Twiggy2cents: | Because it wouldnt be as fast as you think, plus it is gonna suck down a battery like crazy |
| [01:40:18] | wagnerrp: | efficiency of an electric motor is not tied to RPM like it is for an IC motor |
| [01:40:30] | Twiggy2cents: | You gotta think if it takes 80% duty cycle to take off with one gear and 40% with a lower gear, it is going to use less battery |
| [01:41:59] | Twiggy2cents: | and load affects a IC engine more than RPM |
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| [01:51:13] | Twiggy2cents: | why would you not want it to have gears? |
| [01:51:26] | wagnerrp: | im not saying dont have gears |
| [01:51:34] | wagnerrp: | im saying dont have multiple speeds |
| [01:51:42] | wagnerrp: | s/speeds/ratios/ |
| [01:52:10] | Twiggy2cents: | okay, let me rephrase, s/gears/gear ratios/ |
| [01:52:34] | Twiggy2cents: | We have had automatic transmissons for a long time. Why not apply it here? |
| [01:52:35] | wagnerrp: | cost, reliability |
| [01:52:57] | wagnerrp: | because automatic transmissions suck |
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| [01:53:12] | wagnerrp: | at the very least, go with a robo-clutch like BMW has one some of their cars |
| [01:53:26] | Twiggy2cents: | I dunno how old your car is, but new transmissions are pretty reliable, to prove that, a lot of ford transmissions are serviced for life |
| [01:53:59] | wagnerrp: | automatic transmissions are an indirect fluid coupling |
| [01:54:08] | wagnerrp: | you are necessarily going to have a lot of loss in such a system |
| [01:54:30] | Twiggy2cents: | I dunno what robo-clutch is, but if I had to guess it is a automatically shifted manual trans? If so, its in new ford fiestas too |
| [01:54:48] | wagnerrp: | yeah, just a manual transmission without a clutch pedal |
| [01:54:51] | Twiggy2cents: | Incorrect on the indirect fluid coupling... At least not 100% true |
| [01:55:09] | wagnerrp: | sure, you can use a locking torque converter |
| [01:55:10] | Twiggy2cents: | torque conveters lockup once they are get up to speed |
| [01:55:32] | wagnerrp: | but you still have that mass of rotating fluid |
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| [01:56:19] | Twiggy2cents: | I agree with the efficiency, but when they have 6, 7, and chrysler is working on a 12 speed trans efficiency gets less and less |
| [01:56:43] | Twiggy2cents: | I think that the electro shifted manuals are a good idea |
| [01:57:04] | Twiggy2cents: | The auto fiesta gets better gas mileage than the manual due to lack of human error |
| [01:57:39] | wagnerrp: | when shifting an automatic, youre going to have huge losses, and even on a locking transmission, youre still going to have all of those losses just from keeping that viscous fluid spun up |
| [01:59:00] | wagnerrp: | my point is that every time you go through another gear, youre losing efficiency |
| [01:59:06] | Twiggy2cents: | Its not huge. If I remember right, a fwd vehicle with manual is about 12% power loss and auto is 17%. A rwd vehicle is less than that due to not making two right angle turns |
| [02:00:42] | wagnerrp: | where are the 25–35% power losses you see from power-at-engine to power-at-wheel? |
| [02:01:05] | Twiggy2cents: | But wouldnt taking off with 40%>40%>40% duty cycle on take off be better than 100%>90%>80%>etc...? |
| [02:03:03] | Twiggy2cents: | You lose a lot of efficiency in a manual due to improperly timed shifts and slow shifts. With a automatic manual you have very little time between gears and the pcm decides when to shift from preset tables |
| [02:04:01] | Twiggy2cents: | what about a CVT trans? |
| [02:04:11] | Twiggy2cents: | A good developed one... |
| [02:04:32] | wagnerrp: | CVTs are either planetary, which is going to be very complex requiring multiple motors |
| [02:04:41] | Twiggy2cents: | or? |
| [02:04:46] | wagnerrp: | or friction drives, which induce significant losses, and limit torque |
| [02:04:57] | Twiggy2cents: | They are two variable clutches |
| [02:05:39] | Twiggy2cents: | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons . . . otRotVar.gif |
| [02:06:35] | wagnerrp: | admittedly, im not all that well versed on electric motors, but i was under the impression induction motors always ran at full duty cycle |
| [02:06:47] | wagnerrp: | or are most hybrids synchronous motors? |
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| [02:07:16] | Twiggy2cents: | nope, they will run slightly above idle for just charging |
| [02:07:35] | Twiggy2cents: | then they will ramp up rpm if you accelerate and need the engine for assist |
| [02:07:59] | wagnerrp: | no, i mean induction motors, power is controlled through the slip rate, not PW |
| [02:08:00] | wagnerrp: | M |
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| [02:08:36] | Twiggy2cents: | elaborate, I dont really understand what you are asking. |
| [02:09:00] | Twiggy2cents: | You mean on a standard internal combustion engine? |
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| [02:09:24] | Twiggy2cents: | Or do you mean induction=electric? |
| [02:09:33] | wagnerrp: | asynchronous induction motor, as opposed to synchronous motor |
| [02:10:04] | Twiggy2cents: | They are controlled through pwm not slip rate |
| [02:10:42] | wagnerrp: | synchronous uses a permanent magnet in the rotor, while asynchronous induces an electromagnet in the rotor |
| [02:11:55] | wagnerrp: | you have a positive slip rate and the motor draws amperage, you have a negative slip rate and it produces amperage |
| [02:12:42] | wagnerrp: | you vary the slip rate by providing a different AC current to the motor |
| [02:13:04] | wagnerrp: | which is why i said way back, designing such a high powered controller would be very expensive |
| [02:13:42] | Twiggy2cents: | so synchronous only makes power at its operating rpm? |
| [02:14:07] | wagnerrp: | correct, you run too fast or too slow, and it 'stalls' |
| [02:14:44] | Twiggy2cents: | They must be asynchronous then. You can hear them speed up |
| [02:14:48] | wagnerrp: | brushed motors passively 'know' what coils to activate |
| [02:15:05] | Twiggy2cents: | Yeah I under stand the way brushes work |
| [02:15:09] | wagnerrp: | brushless have to have sensors to determine the position of the rotor to actively control the coils |
| [02:15:17] | Twiggy2cents: | I it is pwm modulated speed and regen braking |
| [02:18:24] | Twiggy2cents: | TBH, I dont know what motors are used in the E-CVT used on Fords hybrids. But I know that the motor gets progressively louder as it takes off. Giving the impression that it is spinning up a vehicle speed related curve |
| [02:19:07] | wagnerrp: | well its a rotating part, and it has to be rubbing against something, so it will make noise |
| [02:19:16] | wagnerrp: | that doesnt say anything on the type of electric motor |
| [02:20:26] | Twiggy2cents: | Right but I would think that the a motor of sufficient size would make some noise when it is spinning |
| [02:21:25] | Twiggy2cents: | If I was on a M$ ;) OS I could check it out. But since ford refuses to develop their web to work with anything but IE I cant check |
| [02:26:13] | Beirdo: | OK, who's cooking bacon? Evil bastards |
| [02:28:48] | Twiggy2cents: | Ford claims that nearly 94 percent energy recovery is achieved by first delivering full regenerative braking followed by friction brakes during city driving.[ |
| [02:28:56] | Twiggy2cents: | That is from the fusion hybrid wiki |
| [02:30:05] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but the limited size of the motor limits the achievable recovery |
| [02:30:50] | wagnerrp: | unless youre driving your grandma around, that 35hp motor isnt going to stand up to typical braking |
| [02:31:19] | sphery: | Beirdo: someone submitted patches... it's the "You should be able to show 99 channels on each page of the guide" ticket: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9578 |
| [02:31:25] | sphery: | I'm guessing he's just "borrowing" the patch |
| [02:31:41] | sphery: | personally, however, I think that allowing a themer to show 99 channels on a page is ludicrous |
| [02:31:54] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [02:32:03] | Twiggy2cents: | 94% is pretty good. Full breaking will apply the regen capability at 100% and so will moderate braking |
| [02:32:14] | Beirdo: | you'd have to have a HUGE display for 99 chans on the screen |
| [02:33:11] | wagnerrp: | 94% seems awfully high to be honest |
| [02:33:30] | Twiggy2cents: | Yeah I think so too |
| [02:33:35] | wagnerrp: | even if you are breaking at sufficiently low power that the motor can handle it |
| [02:34:03] | wagnerrp: | between the motor, charging the battery (or capacitor) and back out to the motor... just doesnt seem reasonable |
| [02:34:17] | sphery: | Beirdo: if the font size in Arclight is too small, imagine the font size that allows displaying 99 channels in the guide... |
| [02:34:22] | Twiggy2cents: | its a battery |
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| [02:35:36] | Twiggy2cents: | The motor can handle any amount of braking, the conventional brakes pick up the tab on the rest |
| [02:35:45] | Beirdo: | well, if you are using an Omnimax... |
| [02:35:57] | wagnerrp: | omnimyth |
| [02:36:20] | Beirdo: | oh wow. pint almost gone! |
| [02:36:42] | Twiggy2cents: | I should rephrase as, the regen will try to regen its max and what it can handle is handled by the conventional brakes. Since regen is handled by pwm it doesnt really matter about the speed |
| [02:37:51] | Teligard: | Hey guys |
| [02:37:51] | Twiggy2cents: | I wonder how there is truth to the 94%. It must be at in town speeds and not slowing down from a drag race |
| [02:38:14] | sphery: | wagnerrp: obviously you aren't transcoding with the --enable-magical-compression option, that allows you to achieve the same quality as the original MPEG-2 broadcast using only 1/4 the space |
| [02:38:24] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [02:38:29] | Twiggy2cents: | doh it said city driving. |
| [02:38:35] | sphery: | I often use --enable-magical-compression with --rainbows and --unicorns |
| [02:38:42] | Teligard: | haha |
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| [02:43:03] | Twiggy2cents: | what program do you use to see what a ir button outputs? |
| [02:43:28] | sphery: | wagnerrp: don't some of the new drives have 1–2W idle modes? |
| [02:43:28] | wagnerrp: | irw or mode2, depending on what file youre trying to set up |
| [02:43:44] | Twiggy2cents: | irw did the trick thanks |
| [02:43:47] | wagnerrp: | sphery: even the new greens are 3W or so |
| [02:44:02] | wagnerrp: | they park their heads in 8 seconds, but they dont spin down |
| [02:44:09] | sphery: | ah, the 1–2W must be off or one of the lower states |
| [02:44:40] | sphery: | anyway, the "server that's always running" is completely ignoring the /vast/ difference between idle CPU and loaded CPU |
| [02:44:45] | sphery: | unless, of course, that server is an Atom |
| [02:44:52] | sphery: | or a P4 or Athlon XP |
| [02:45:16] | sphery: | I'm still on your side--even at 6W/$6 |
| [02:48:44] | Twiggy2cents: | What is a good binding for JUMPTODVDROOTMENU, it is going to be bound to my remote so it doesnt matter. I just dont want to worry about a conflict |
| [02:48:47] | wagnerrp: | i think most people are just stuck with transcoding since thats 'just what you do' |
| [02:49:28] | sphery: | yeah... I still like my approach best, though--delete after watching |
| [02:49:28] | wagnerrp: | thats what all the stuff they 'acquire' is |
| [02:49:34] | wagnerrp: | so they just think thats how stuff should be stored |
| [02:49:39] | sphery: | and buy what you want to keep |
| [02:49:51] | sphery: | yeah |
| [02:50:37] | sphery: | and in spite of all their concern over things like 1:1 pixel mapping and "not losing quality", they likely don't even know what to look for to see the difference |
| [02:50:40] | sphery: | (or don't care) |
| [02:55:41] | Twiggy2cents: | Does JUMPTODVDROOTMENU not work? |
| [02:56:07] | Twiggy2cents: | Sorry, in a iso video |
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| [03:07:20] | Beirdo: | urgh |
| [03:07:50] | Beirdo: | what is with this crap? |
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| [03:19:02] | Twiggy2cents: | woo back |
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| [03:20:41] | Teligard: | welcome back everyone |
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| [03:25:07] | [R]: | so i have an hdpvr recording where i have no sound in myth, but if i use something else to play it, the sound is fine, how can i fix this? |
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| [03:31:39] | 50UAAGBHM: | stupid network |
| [03:31:50] | 50UAAGBHM: | oO |
| [03:31:51] | Twiggy2cents: | man... these andy griffith .79 gb recordings add up after a while |
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| [03:32:35] | Beirdo: | WTH? |
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| [03:51:21] | Beirdo: | sigh |
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| [04:05:43] | Beirdo: | because XYZ isn't available |
| [04:07:15] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: you know what the backend setup login is? |
| [04:08:06] | Beirdo: | nope |
| [04:08:12] | Beirdo: | haven't even tried it yet :) |
| [04:08:33] | wagnerrp: | hmm... seems the login is blank, the page itself is just screwed up |
| [04:09:32] | wagnerrp: | the first few dozen bytes are getting chopped off |
| [04:09:44] | wagnerrp: | so its not processed as an html document |
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| [04:11:57] | Teligard: | Hey guys |
| [04:12:07] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, admin, mythtv |
| [04:12:08] | Teligard: | How does the scraper work in Mythtv |
| [04:12:11] | Beirdo: | oops |
| [04:12:20] | Beirdo: | scraper? |
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| [04:12:35] | wagnerrp: | well empty works too |
| [04:12:40] | Teligard: | How does MythTV grab information about existing videos |
| [04:13:24] | Teligard: | I have it to where I see there's content, but no images (ie cover art for DVD's, etc) |
| [04:13:57] | wagnerrp: | Teligard: in the 'm' menu, there is an option to do a bulk scan for content |
| [04:14:05] | wagnerrp: | s/content/metadata/ |
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| [04:14:48] | Teligard: | ok, and it found videos, but no "artwork" |
| [04:15:21] | wagnerrp: | looks like the server is skipping the first... 1073 characters |
| [04:15:26] | wagnerrp: | well that doesnt really help any |
| [04:15:26] | Teligard: | Which, I would assume, it would typically pull from IMDB.com or TheTVDB.com |
| [04:15:31] | Teligard: | something like that |
| [04:15:42] | wagnerrp: | no, IMDB does not allow scrapers |
| [04:15:53] | wagnerrp: | we use themoviedb.org |
| [04:15:59] | Teligard: | ok |
| [04:16:12] | Teligard: | IS this where I get into MythVideo? |
| [04:16:29] | wagnerrp: | media library --> watch videos |
| [04:17:00] | wagnerrp: | odd... now its working |
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| [04:17:34] | Teligard: | right, been there |
| [04:18:01] | Teligard: | It found the video content, but all it shows are folders with ? in them |
| [04:18:38] | Teligard: | I can understand that for the top level, but the DVD folders and videos themselves don't show any images |
| [04:20:10] | Teligard: | Let me set up a bunch of directories to hold the images and redirect mythtv to those directories. Once I do that, maybe it will help. |
| [04:24:26] | wagnerrp: | the folders and videos wont show images until you pull metadata for the content |
| [04:24:34] | wagnerrp: | either press 'w' on each video individually |
| [04:24:42] | wagnerrp: | or use the bulk scanner, accessible through the 'm' menu |
| [04:28:11] | Teligard: | k |
| [04:28:35] | Teligard: | Also, as a side note, is there a way to delete individual tuners? |
| [04:28:43] | wagnerrp: | 'd' |
| [04:28:46] | Teligard: | k |
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| [04:47:53] | Teligard: | So, I created my extra content folders, assigned them appropriately, etc. |
| [04:48:40] | Teligard: | Only problem is, when I go to exit the mythtv-setup, it tells me that it's unable to create something in each of hte folders I set up. |
| [04:49:20] | Teligard: | I'm assuming there is a permissions issue. Should I set all of the assigned directories with permissions 777? |
| [04:49:29] | Teligard: | Worries me to do that, but... |
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| [04:51:05] | [R]: | Teligard: you shoyuld set it up with perms that the backend can write to |
| [04:51:17] | Teligard: | k |
| [04:52:24] | Teligard: | I was fairly certain I had the permissions wrong (775) |
| [04:52:46] | [R]: | 755 is fine, if the user is right |
| [04:52:52] | ** [R] thinks someone needs to read unix permissions 101 ** | |
| [04:53:04] | Teligard: | you'r probably right |
| [04:53:25] | Teligard: | I understand the basics, but could definately use a refresher |
| [04:53:44] | Teligard: | Sorry for the dumb question (which I've been full of, as of recent) |
| [04:57:38] | Teligard: | I'd say there is something else rotten |
| [04:58:15] | Teligard: | I set the permissions to all of the Myth associated folders to 777, and it appears to still not be able to write to them |
| [04:58:49] | Teligard: | Which, I believe, 777 should allow write permissions to everybody and thier dogs |
| [04:59:20] | iamlindoro: | only to that directory, you still have to account for traversal to the path |
| [04:59:33] | clever: | yeah, it needs atleast +x on every folder above it |
| [04:59:38] | iamlindoro: | if it can't write to the folder, and the folder is 777, then you have traversal issues |
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| [05:01:48] | Teligard: | I did a sudo chmod -R 777 /mnt/mediaserver1/MythContent |
| [05:02:14] | Teligard: | Which should recursively change the permissions, or so I understand |
| [05:02:16] | iamlindoro: | which only applies to MythContent and folders deeper |
| [05:02:19] | iamlindoro: | not higher |
| [05:02:23] | Teligard: | Right |
| [05:02:29] | iamlindoro: | must traverse *to* mythcontent |
| [05:02:44] | iamlindoro: | /mnt, /mediaserver1, etc. |
| [05:02:54] | Teligard: | oh yea (duh, just slap me) |
| [05:04:12] | [R]: | iamlindoro: i'm getting "Unknown video codec: H.264" when trying to do a lossless transcode of hdpvr video |
| [05:04:28] | iamlindoro: | HD-PVR video is not lossless transcodable |
| [05:04:29] | Teligard: | Always love when I tell it to do something as su, and I get back "permission denied"... |
| [05:04:39] | wagnerrp: | oh wow... |
| [05:04:44] | [R]: | iamlindoro: ah, i'll try mpeg2 |
| [05:05:00] | wagnerrp: | some guy on the mailing list is recording two HD and two SD streams simultaneously using ONLY a 4-drive RAID 5 |
| [05:05:13] | wagnerrp: | of course he is using a highly tuned xfs partition that is defragged nightly |
| [05:05:42] | Teligard: | RAID-5 does provide the best of *most* worlds |
| [05:05:42] | ** wagnerrp wonders how these people manage to remember how to breathe ** | |
| [05:05:48] | Teligard: | redundancy and speed |
| [05:06:15] | wagnerrp: | Teligard: the user is SURPRISED that that meager setup is capable of recording four things at once |
| [05:06:24] | Teligard: | jeez |
| [05:06:31] | Teligard: | Sorry |
| [05:06:46] | Teligard: | I guess I'm a little rumdumb tonight |
| [05:07:20] | Teligard: | too tired, but want everythign working, and have little time, unless my son is asleep |
| [05:07:22] | wagnerrp: | as in a raid5 array consisting of four drives, each capable of better than 100MB/s, is capable of recording four simultaneous streams, each not possibly more than 2MB/s |
| [05:07:35] | Teligard: | hehe |
| [05:07:54] | wagnerrp: | the user is talking about things like 'heavily optimized', yet clearly has no concept of the scale of what hes doing |
| [05:08:03] | wagnerrp: | rather, hes two orders of magnitude off |
| [05:08:24] | Teligard: | haha |
| [05:08:36] | wagnerrp: | hes wondering if RAID6 would be fast enough, but hes only ever seen benchmarks using 16 drives |
| [05:08:55] | Teligard: | I'd be more interested in knowing the processing hardware that does the trnascoding... |
| [05:09:07] | wagnerrp: | what transcoding? |
| [05:09:37] | wagnerrp: | digital recordings are simply captured straight to disk as mpeg2 |
| [05:10:01] | Teligard: | Ok, right. I was thinking TV recording, not mgeg2 |
| [05:10:18] | wagnerrp: | digital recordings are tv |
| [05:10:31] | Teligard: | Not for me.... |
| [05:10:39] | wagnerrp: | and even analog tv, we recommend analog encoders, that handle all that processing on hardware before it touches the system |
| [05:10:40] | Teligard: | I can't grab digital, only analog |
| [05:10:45] | wagnerrp: | effectively the same result |
| [05:10:54] | Teligard: | gotcha |
| [05:11:12] | wagnerrp: | framegrabbers, straight to mpeg4... youre generally looking at a P3 1GHz equivalent per stream |
| [05:11:13] | Teligard: | I was also thinking of commercial removal |
| [05:11:14] | kormoc: | Teligard, I'd argue that it doesn't provide the best of most worlds but an adequate workload for most |
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| [05:11:31] | kormoc: | (raid 5) |
| [05:11:42] | kormoc: | as it's not the fastest nor the most redundant |
| [05:11:54] | Teligard: | It offers solid performance, with redundancy |
| [05:11:56] | wagnerrp: | in other words, it does nothing well |
| [05:11:59] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [05:12:03] | Teligard: | That's why I said *most* worlds |
| [05:12:12] | kormoc: | my meager 1 tb usb drive can handle recording two HD streams and commflagging 6 others at the same time |
| [05:12:19] | Teligard: | If I want the best, I'm not sure where I'd end up. |
| [05:12:27] | wagnerrp: | actually, in a lot of scenarios, RAID5 has pretty mediocre performance |
| [05:12:28] | kormoc: | Teligard, I'd argue that it's not all /that/ solid ;) |
| [05:12:35] | wagnerrp: | considerably less than even a single drive |
| [05:12:41] | Teligard: | Raid0+1? |
| [05:12:54] | Teligard: | really? |
| [05:13:01] | wagnerrp: | any write that is less than a full stripe width will be very slow in RAID5 |
| [05:13:10] | wagnerrp: | the so called 'write hole' |
| [05:13:10] | kormoc: | depends on your data usage patterns |
| [05:13:25] | wagnerrp: | since you have to read in the stripe, calculate new parity, and write back out |
| [05:13:47] | kormoc: | for my databases, I use 1+0 with a 16k block size and precisely aligned filesystems |
| [05:14:25] | Teligard: | With a minimum of 4 drives |
| [05:14:34] | kormoc: | for my bulk storage I use a raid 6 with a 256k block size |
| [05:14:45] | kormoc: | 24 drives actually |
| [05:14:46] | wagnerrp: | ZFS gets around this by using variable stripe size |
| [05:14:47] | Teligard: | Never worked with RAID6 |
| [05:14:58] | wagnerrp: | each file gets its own stripe (or multiple there of) |
| [05:15:04] | kormoc: | raid 6 is just raid 5 with double parity |
| [05:15:05] | Teligard: | hmmm, zfs |
| [05:15:15] | Teligard: | not familiar with that either |
| [05:15:26] | wagnerrp: | so in all cases, youre writing a full stripe |
| [05:15:31] | kormoc: | we only get a write speed of a few hundred megabytes a second, but it's enough for backup storage |
| [05:15:39] | wagnerrp: | still not ideal, since youre always hitting all disks |
| [05:15:46] | wagnerrp: | but at least you dont have to read in the data |
| [05:16:11] | wagnerrp: | 24 drives? hardware or software? |
| [05:16:19] | kormoc: | Hardware |
| [05:16:25] | wagnerrp: | big areca or marvell? |
| [05:16:48] | kormoc: | LSI 3ware 9750 |
| [05:17:00] | wagnerrp: | LSI.. didnt know they made one that big |
| [05:18:08] | Teligard: | Are using a FUSE implementation of ZFS, or? |
| [05:18:17] | wagnerrp: | no, never |
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| [05:18:40] | Teligard: | What OS are you using (FreeBSD?) |
| [05:18:54] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [05:18:58] | Teligard: | Solaris? |
| [05:18:59] | Teligard: | ok |
| [05:19:44] | Teligard: | I haven't messed with FreeBSD very much, so... |
| [05:20:24] | Teligard: | Maybe one of my spare boxes would be put to good use familiarizing myself. |
| [05:20:51] | wagnerrp: | lack of driver support somewhat limits its usefulness as a backend |
| [05:21:33] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, so the 9750 will be the last '3ware' card I believe, LSI is going to unify the brands for the next generation (or so I've heard) |
| [05:30:32] | wagnerrp: | i guess i should get this smolt stuff running... |
| [05:31:01] | wagnerrp: | the client is basically finished, but i havent touched it or the server in 3 weeks |
| [05:31:18] | wagnerrp: | plus theres the whole issue of me breaking /all/ the translation stuff |
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| [05:32:38] | knightr: | wagnerrp, do you mean i18n translation stuff or something else (ie remapping)? |
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| [05:32:57] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [05:33:11] | wagnerrp: | smolt has i18n mapping for all the data points it pulls |
| [05:33:22] | wagnerrp: | but since i re-organized how it stores the stuff, i broke it all |
| [05:33:51] | wagnerrp: | now considering users will only ever see that stuff if the profiler is run manually, and told to print out a profile instead of send it |
| [05:34:00] | wagnerrp: | we dont really care for our purposes |
| [05:34:18] | wagnerrp: | but... it cant be pushed back upstream in that state |
| [05:34:45] | knightr: | ok, you're talking of the "client" in mythtv... |
| [05:35:03] | wagnerrp: | yeah, its not tied into mythtv |
| [05:35:13] | wagnerrp: | its its own independent script that is run by mythfrontend |
| [05:35:16] | iamlindoro: | smolt.mythtv.org appears crashes as well |
| [05:35:18] | iamlindoro: | crashed |
| [05:35:51] | wagnerrp: | and... looks like i never moved the code off my frontend when i updated it |
| [05:35:59] | wagnerrp: | meaning ive got to pull up the old image to recover it |
| [05:36:11] | knightr: | ok so for our purposes it's ok since users will never actually use/see it directly... |
| [05:36:27] | wagnerrp: | right, for our purposes, it really doesnt need translating |
| [05:36:49] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: page looks up to me |
| [05:37:02] | iamlindoro: | hah |
| [05:37:13] | iamlindoro: | I know this will make me sound crazy, but I swear it wasn't seconds ago |
| [05:37:31] | knightr: | ok here too... |
| [05:37:37] | wagnerrp: | im on the server, but i didnt touch anything |
| [05:37:52] | knightr: | do we have something (nagios, big brother) that monitors these servers? |
| [05:38:22] | wagnerrp: | it was an earthquake, my car broke down, i was out of gas, a tornado, lightning, a hurricane, i swear to god it wasnt my fault |
| [05:38:32] | knightr: | lol |
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| [05:39:55] | jake_blues: | knightr: sell me your children |
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| [05:40:05] | jake_blues: | your girls, i want to buy them |
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| [05:40:31] | jake_blues is now known as wagnerrp | |
| [05:40:38] | knightr: | sorry, Raymond, I don't have kids... :) |
| [05:41:16] | knightr: | wagnerrp, what was that about though? :) |
| [05:41:35] | wagnerrp: | seriously? |
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| [05:42:20] | knightr: | apart from the part that you claimed to be a Blue brother, I didn't understand the joke, sorry... (eh, I'm it's not my fault, I'm Canadian... :) ) |
| [05:42:30] | knightr: | s/Blue/Blues |
| [05:43:26] | wagnerrp: | seems imdb doesnt support linking straight to quotes |
| [05:43:53] | knightr: | ok, it's a quote... |
| [05:44:02] | knightr: | give me a sec, I'll look it up... |
| [05:44:13] | wagnerrp: | http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0151620/quotes |
| [05:44:36] | wagnerrp: | about a third of the way down |
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| [05:44:41] | wagnerrp: | both of them are |
| [05:45:27] | knightr: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvZgwtpPmLY |
| [05:45:51] | Beirdo: | umm, one of the Blues Brothers is a Canadian anyways |
| [05:46:02] | Beirdo: | so being Canadian is no excuse :) |
| [05:46:05] | knightr: | sorry, it had been a while since I last saw it, I had forgotten... |
| [05:46:18] | knightr: | Belushi or Ackroyd? |
| [05:46:26] | wagnerrp: | ackroyd |
| [05:46:26] | Beirdo: | Ackrouyd. |
| [05:46:31] | Beirdo: | I can't type |
| [05:46:35] | Beirdo: | he's from Ottawa |
| [05:47:12] | Beirdo: | fat finger hit u with the y :) |
| [05:47:49] | Beirdo: | still spelled wrong. Aykroyd... :) |
| [05:47:50] | knightr: | Thanks... Looks like I mistyped it though, it's Aykroyd... |
| [05:47:58] | knightr: | yep... |
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| [05:48:09] | Beirdo: | anyways. He's one of the many Canadians that live in the US :) |
| [05:48:10] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:48:20] | wagnerrp: | looks like you typed it correctly |
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| [05:49:21] | knightr: | If you mean me I had put a c instead of the first y... |
| [05:49:26] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [05:49:42] | Beirdo: | he also is an owner of "House of Blues" IIRC |
| [05:49:50] | wagnerrp: | oh... got confused by the redirect |
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| [05:50:00] | wagnerrp: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Ackroyd |
| [05:50:31] | knightr: | it's probably a pretty common typo I would guess... |
| [05:50:41] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:51:02] | Beirdo: | one of my favorite actors anyways, regardless of spelling |
| [05:51:24] | knightr: | Beirdo, when is the next Ghostbusters, this year? |
| [05:51:46] | knightr: | he's supposed to be in it I think... |
| [05:52:32] | knightr: | Yikes, I didn't know he is autistic... |
| [05:52:54] | Beirdo: | dunno if they ever will do another Ghostbusters |
| [05:52:58] | wagnerrp: | eh? |
| [05:53:05] | Beirdo: | last I heard, Bill Murray was the hold-out |
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| [05:54:08] | knightr: | it's supposedly planned for 2012... Isn't that the year everything is supposed to end though? :) |
| [05:55:16] | wagnerrp: | no, feb 14, 2016 |
| [05:55:48] | knightr: | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1289401/ |
| [05:56:19] | knightr: | wagnerrp, or was that supposed to be the end of the world? :) |
| [05:56:23] | wagnerrp: | yeah, supposedly the movie revolves around the old crew training new replacements |
| [05:57:49] | knightr: | wagnerrp, that date for the end of the world comes from Ghostbusters II? you remembered that??? |
| [05:58:00] | wagnerrp: | uh huh |
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| [05:59:00] | Beirdo: | buncha Ghostbusters geeks :) |
| [05:59:02] | knightr: | yikes... I'm good at remembering names of actors and the like but not useful tid bits of informations from the movies as well... |
| [05:59:09] | knightr: | :) |
| [05:59:27] | wagnerrp: | sis's birthday, it stands out |
| [05:59:35] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:59:42] | knightr: | ah, ok... :) :) :) |
| [05:59:50] | wagnerrp: | well, aside from being valentines day and all |
| [06:00:22] | knightr: | it's like one of my former boss who always wondered why I knew when her birthday was... It was the birthday of my father and brother as well... |
| [06:00:37] | knightr: | s/was/IS |
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| [06:07:08] | knightr: | good night guys, I have to go to sleep now if I don't want to be a zombie tomorrow.... :) |
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| [06:09:45] | Beirdo: | brains.... |
| [06:09:52] | Beirdo: | night. |
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| [07:28:56] | wagnerrp: | gah... just spent 15 minutes installing turbogears2, only to find smolt wants turbogears |
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| [07:43:06] | Beirdo: | eek |
| [07:43:14] | Beirdo: | OK, ARM9 board ordered |
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| [07:43:52] | Beirdo: | Fedex Priority Overnight... from about 1h drive from here |
| [07:43:55] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [07:55:08] | Beirdo: | and now it's time fer bed |
| [08:02:31] | wagnerrp: | fun... cant get the server running locally |
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| [08:47:08] | hashbang: | wotcha, spuds! |
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| [09:35:51] | noaXess: | hey all |
| [09:36:37] | noaXess: | i asked on weekend about the one hour off in tv-listings.. don't found any solution.... i us tv_grab_ch_search for fetching tv-listings.. befor the time change, all was fine... |
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| [09:38:02] | noaXess: | i manually run a tv_grab_ch_search and get the a start time of a show eg.: 20110327115500 +0100.... but in mythtv tv-listing the show starts at 1255 |
| [09:39:34] | bhaak: | noaXess: I haven't had time to answer your posting on the xmltv list but I added my workaround to the bug report from the last DST switch: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&a . . . ;atid=424135 |
| [09:41:37] | noaXess: | bhaak: ha.. yeah.. so will it be solved.. or do i need recompile tv_grab_ch_search with your workaround? |
| [09:44:22] | bhaak: | noaXess: this hasn't found its way into the source code repository yet. so you would have to apply it locally |
| [09:45:31] | noaXess: | bhaak: ah, i need to change it in /usr/local/bin/tv_grab_ch_search... it's a perl script.. ;) |
| [09:48:03] | noaXess: | bhaak: then ther poster of the same problem in UK can make the same workaround, right? so i will answer in the mailinglist |
| [09:48:04] | bhaak: | yes :) |
| [09:48:22] | noaXess: | one yes, or two yes ; |
| [09:48:24] | noaXess: | ;) |
| [09:49:33] | bhaak: | yes and dunno |
| [09:49:45] | bhaak: | I'm giving tv_grab_uk_rt a quick look |
| [09:49:48] | noaXess: | to remove all tv listing data.. just truncate the table "program", right? |
| [09:50:28] | bhaak: | yes |
| [09:51:04] | bhaak: | tv_grab_uk_rt has already some DST handling. starting at line 3500. so there might be something else wrong |
| [09:53:54] | noaXess: | bhaak: Undefined subroutine &main::strftime called at /usr/local/bin/tv_grab_ch_search line 153. |
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| [09:54:33] | bhaak: | noaXess: use POSIX; |
| [09:54:45] | noaXess: | bhaak: ?? |
| [09:55:05] | bhaak: | there a line missing at the beginning of the file: "use POSIX;" |
| [09:55:39] | bhaak: | I have a patch attached to the bug. you obviously only copied the line from the comment :) |
| [09:55:45] | noaXess: | bhaak: insert it after #!/usr/bin/perl? |
| [09:56:12] | bhaak: | noaXess: yes, that should work |
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| [09:57:11] | noaXess: | seems to work.. thanks.. will check it after lunch... enjoy |
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| [11:25:45] | Pieh0: | Anyone know if the dtv200ds drivers allow both tuners to work, af9013/15? |
| [11:26:01] | Pieh0: | just going round google atm trying to get them both working :) |
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| [14:43:54] | iamlindoro: | "The Atom that is often used in MythTV, a light weight processor with a rich instruction set with many extensions for multimedia processing should benefit by it." |
| [14:43:55] | iamlindoro: | hahahahaha |
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| [15:36:09] | hashbang: | iamlindoro: besides, Fedora's i686 packages are already optimized for the Atom. :-) |
| [15:42:46] | iamlindoro: | hashbang: more funny is the notion that the Atom has a rich instruction set with many extensions for multimedia processing |
| [15:45:22] | JEDIDIAH__: | it depends on what you are comparing it to. |
| [15:48:00] | skd5aner: | an atari 800 |
| [15:54:29] | JEDIDIAH__: | 386... |
| [15:54:30] | JEDIDIAH__: | ARM... |
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| [15:56:03] | UrbanNightmare: | Hello all. Can anyone here help with MythNetvision? Specifically the twit feed. I would like to download Frame Rate but I can't see where it downloads the file. Thought it was in ~/.mythtv but its not there. |
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| [17:47:31] | wagnerrp: | sphery: have you given any thought into how logs are going to work with all these split up backend applications? |
| [17:48:29] | wagnerrp: | im just wondering in terms of log rotation |
| [17:49:07] | wagnerrp: | if the applications are all writing directly to the same log, the main program would have to forward on the HUP call to each |
| [17:49:42] | wagnerrp: | if theyre writing to their own log, well need to put in some /var/run/pid file to mark what process would need to be HUP'd |
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| [18:13:00] | galorin: | Quick question, just did my Mythtv install got 60 channels and 62 conflicting channels, what am I supposed to do with the conflicting channels? Does Mythtv know which ones have a better signal? |
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| [18:23:35] | galorin: | Howdy |
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| [18:54:27] | galorin: | Ok, channel scanning is giving me conflicting channels but not handling them very well, is there a fix in svn for this? |
| [18:54:57] | kormoc: | galorin, fix for what? |
| [18:55:38] | galorin: | Channel conflicts during channel scan, there has to be a better way |
| [18:55:43] | wagnerrp: | galorin: we dont use svn |
| [18:56:10] | kormoc: | galorin, if you scan multiple times, you get conflicts. it's the nature of the beast. We resolve them typically correctly |
| [18:56:52] | galorin: | I am getting conflicts on an initial scan with an empty channel list. |
| [18:57:31] | kormoc: | and what problem is it giving you? |
| [18:57:39] | kormoc: | (I'm assuming you just continued on?) |
| [18:59:23] | galorin: | Channel numbers are incorrect |
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| [19:02:18] | kormoc: | ATSC? and which numbers? The frequency number of the embedded channel number? |
| [19:03:51] | galorin: | Dvb-t, and embedded channel numbers |
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| [19:04:52] | kormoc: | you'll likely have to open a ticket then. If we're not extracting the current embedded channel numbers, it's a bug |
| [19:07:03] | galorin: | Ok, will do when not being screamed at by children |
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| [19:11:01] | xilet: | Tossing it out there, has anyone heard anything with issues regarding cartoon network on comcast analog? Just upgraded mythtv to the latest and with 100% lock it just comes in blank. It does still work on traditional analog tvs [all other channels are still pretty much crystal clear through myth]. |
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| [19:18:01] | NewBuntu81: | Is there a command to show serial devices connected, like ps2 mice, etc, and similar to lspci or lsusb? |
| [19:19:46] | xilet: | cat /proc/bus/input/devices is one way |
| [19:21:15] | NewBuntu81: | i found an old packard bell ps2 IR receiver and remote. thought maybe i could get the receiver to work with myth on one of my frontends |
| [19:21:37] | skd5aner: | NewBuntu81: PS2 or Serial? |
| [19:21:58] | wagnerrp: | packard bell? man thats old... |
| [19:22:01] | skd5aner: | NewBuntu81: because I used an old packard bell IR receiver with LIRC back in 2004 from an old machine I had back circa 95 |
| [19:22:05] | NewBuntu81: | lol, i know, right? |
| [19:22:24] | NewBuntu81: | the stuff was given to me ages ago and i found it in a box when i was trying to throw out stuff. |
| [19:22:31] | skd5aner: | It'll work |
| [19:22:39] | skd5aner: | again, you said PS2 though... so |
| [19:23:38] | NewBuntu81: | it is the 9 pin...serial i guess i meant |
| [19:23:45] | NewBuntu81: | you know, like the really old mice... |
| [19:24:39] | skd5aner: | Yea, it's white, with a square base, and a "round" in the middle with the IR on the round part – plug is yellow? |
| [19:24:54] | skd5aner: | "white" as in – at one point in it's life before it yellowed it was white |
| [19:25:42] | NewBuntu81: | yep, plug is yellow |
| [19:26:08] | skd5aner: | http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/packard_bell/ |
| [19:26:25] | NewBuntu81: | I also found the usb IR receiver I had with my Snapstream Diamond 600. Would love to get that working someday... |
| [19:26:31] | Beirdo: | argh |
| [19:26:34] | NewBuntu81: | sweet, thanks! |
| [19:26:41] | skd5aner: | http://www.billmill.net/ebayimg/intro.JPG |
| [19:26:46] | NewBuntu81: | Beirdo's amazed at our Packard Bell hardware! |
| [19:26:50] | Beirdo: | I have a rootfs image for the ARM9 board I should get soon, but I can't loop mount it? |
| [19:27:11] | Beirdo: | file says... VMS Alpha executable |
| [19:27:14] | Beirdo: | I think not |
| [19:27:45] | NewBuntu81: | yep, the billmill.net picture is exactly the one i have. |
| [19:27:50] | skd5aner: | Yea, I used it with a linux setup I had WAY back in the day... I believe for a freebsd or debian based mp3 jukebox – to control playback |
| [19:28:03] | skd5aner: | 2002 or 2003 |
| [19:28:10] | NewBuntu81: | hahaha |
| [19:28:20] | skd5aner: | Still have it, actually – not sure where |
| [19:28:26] | skd5aner: | (the receiver that is) |
| [19:28:38] | skd5aner: | and I still have the original packard bell, in my parent's attic I believe |
| [19:28:50] | NewBuntu81: | I have several RC64RF remotes from Direct TV, i was hoping I could use those instead of the Packard Bell remote. Also have 3 Tivo remotes, so they could work if the DTV ones won't. I like the feel of those better than the PB one. |
| [19:29:04] | skd5aner: | Yea, the remote is big and ugly |
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| [19:29:19] | skd5aner: | although if you're really into nastalgia |
| [19:29:22] | wagnerrp: | if the remote is a PS2 one, it is going to behave as a keyboard |
| [19:29:32] | skd5aner: | er, nostalgia |
| [19:29:34] | NewBuntu81: | You don't have to "match Hardware", right? Meaning I can get the IR receiver to work, and use any remote that works with LIRC right? |
| [19:29:34] | wagnerrp: | in which case it will only respond to its own remote and its own codes |
| [19:29:44] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: it's not – it's serial |
| [19:30:01] | skd5aner: | read up – I've used that one with lirc before |
| [19:30:22] | wagnerrp: | ill take your word for it |
| [19:30:25] | skd5aner: | NewBuntu81: I used an all-4-one remote at the time |
| [19:30:50] | NewBuntu81: | I have so much hardware I could open a shop...that's why mythtv interested me...little to buy, lot's of frontends :-) |
| [19:31:14] | wagnerrp: | well thats the problem |
| [19:31:21] | wagnerrp: | all your old hardware really cant be used for frontends |
| [19:31:27] | wagnerrp: | E_NOPOWAH |
| [19:32:02] | skd5aner: | actually – I don't remember exactly, I might ahve use the pb remote |
| [19:32:05] | skd5aner: | with the receiver |
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| [19:47:03] | sm7syx: | so I try to run mythtv on different distros.... And I get the problem with versions. 23056 and 56! Please help |
| [19:47:54] | wagnerrp: | what side is running what version? |
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| [19:48:18] | wagnerrp: | the frontend should have reported something like 'i am running X, but backend is running Y' |
| [19:48:24] | sm7syx: | server (Gentoo) is running 23056 and client (Kubuntu) 56 |
| [19:48:36] | wagnerrp: | then you need to update the kubuntu client |
| [19:49:39] | sm7syx: | I know! BUT is it not the same versions? 230 cut from the client |
| [19:50:13] | sm7syx: | Both are running the 23.1.--- version |
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| [19:50:36] | wagnerrp: | clearly they are not |
| [19:50:45] | wagnerrp: | as 0.23.1 has always used protocol version 23056 |
| [19:51:09] | sm7syx: | except on a patched Kubuntu?? |
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| [19:51:25] | sm7syx: | wher they cut off the first 3 digits? |
| [19:51:45] | wagnerrp: | why would they 'cut off the first 3 digits'? |
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| [19:52:39] | sm7syx: | well I have no clue, but that is what I suspect, beacuse they both report the same version (mythfrontend --version) |
| [19:53:07] | wagnerrp: | can you pastebin what they report? |
| [19:53:19] | sm7syx: | sure, give me a moment |
| [19:54:24] | Igneous: | My apologies, you guys probably get asked this alot.. but I'm looking for an ATSC tuner card for a mythtv box. I'm thinking of getting an HVR-1600, and just wanted to know if they were any good (of if there's anything better/more supported for cheaper) before I made the purchase. |
| [19:54:45] | wagnerrp: | Igneous: you only want ATSC? |
| [19:54:55] | wagnerrp: | the 1600 is expensive because it offers an analog mpeg encoder as well |
| [19:55:22] | Igneous: | wagnerrp: well.. I think that's all I want, honestly I'm not sure. The barrier to entry to this stuff is kinda high. |
| [19:55:41] | Igneous: | I'm in north america and want to record my digital cable streams. |
| [19:55:43] | skd5aner: | Igneous: where do you live? US? |
| [19:55:45] | wagnerrp: | analog mpeg encoder would be for analog cable, or capturing off a cable/satellite STB |
| [19:55:55] | skd5aner: | Igneous: so, you want to record QAM via cable? |
| [19:56:04] | Igneous: | Right |
| [19:56:06] | sm7syx: | wagnerrp: pastebin is updated |
| [19:56:27] | skd5aner: | Igneous: only digital, unencrypted QAM, and not anything that may still be broadcast in analog over cable (channels 2~99) |
| [19:56:31] | Shadow__X: | you could look at something like the hvr 1250 as it is a qam tuner |
| [19:56:35] | wagnerrp: | see http://www.silicondust.com/support/channels for a list of what you can expect over QAM |
| [19:56:46] | wagnerrp: | sm7syx: you have to paste the link to the pastebin in here |
| [19:57:07] | skd5aner: | Most ATSC tuners also support QAM, but as wagnerrp mentioned the 1600 will also tune analog in addition |
| [19:57:12] | sm7syx: | sorry.... http://pastebin.com/kp5hpqu4 |
| [19:57:28] | skd5aner: | Igneous: my favorite options for ATSC/QAM only tuners is the HDHR |
| [19:57:48] | wagnerrp: | sm7syx: so youre running a buggy pre-0.23 developmental version |
| [19:58:58] | sm7syx: | wagnerrp: I just made the quick and dirty and installed mythtv from the kubuntu tree ;( Well I got what I deserved for that I suppose. |
| [19:59:21] | wagnerrp: | check out the mythbuntu ppas for updated versions of mythtv (including 0.23.1) |
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| [19:59:44] | sm7syx: | wagnerrp: ppas ?? |
| [19:59:49] | Igneous: | wagnerrp: Hm, I guess what I'm looking to do isn't quite possible? I'm trying to watch digital cable from my local carrier, not Over-the-air unencrypted QAM. |
| [20:00:09] | wagnerrp: | Igneous: there is no such thing as 'over-the-air unencrypted qam' |
| [20:00:22] | skd5aner: | sm7syx: are you installing mythtv for the first time or adding another system to an existing setup? |
| [20:00:43] | wagnerrp: | Igneous: broadcast content in north america is ATSC, which used 8VSB, not QAM |
| [20:01:19] | skd5aner: | Igneous: basically, cable providers in the US only broadcast a few digital programs (typically) unencrypted, and use QAM to do so |
| [20:01:43] | sm7syx: | I am adding to an exsisting setup, usually all on Gentoo but this time I was to eager to get it running... I guess I need to be patient and wait for the gentoo install and all my pproblems will be solved. |
| [20:01:45] | skd5aner: | Igneous: use the link wagnerrp posted above to see exactly what you should expect to get via QAM |
| [20:01:55] | Igneous: | I did, it was something like 5 channels :/ |
| [20:01:59] | wagnerrp: | cable providers in the US are only REQUIRED to broadcast the local OTA stations unencrypted |
| [20:02:03] | skd5aner: | Igneous: very typical |
| [20:02:06] | wagnerrp: | and very few will provide more than they are required |
| [20:02:21] | wagnerrp: | so... you can try firewire off your cable box |
| [20:02:28] | wagnerrp: | or you can do analog capture from your cable box |
| [20:02:31] | Igneous: | So even if I had an ATSC tuner, I wouldn't be able to watch the channels I would normally get through my provider? |
| [20:02:39] | skd5aner: | Igneous: if you want more than that, you have to record in analog... you can do that with an analog tuner or an analog encoder |
| [20:02:40] | wagnerrp: | or you can wait for something like the HDHR Prime to come to market |
| [20:02:43] | Igneous: | I'd have to use something like an ir blaster + analog capture to actually watch those channels? |
| [20:02:54] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable |
| [20:02:54] | skd5aner: | Yes |
| [20:03:05] | wagnerrp: | Igneous: read that page... ^^^ |
| [20:03:06] | Igneous: | How lame |
| [20:03:15] | Igneous: | wagnerrp: thanks, I'll give it a read. |
| [20:03:16] | wagnerrp: | complain to your local cable provider |
| [20:03:22] | wagnerrp: | nothing we can do about it |
| [20:03:25] | skd5aner: | Igneous: You can use something like HD-PVR, record via the component out, and receive everythign an STB can record |
| [20:03:27] | Igneous: | I'm not blaming you ;) |
| [20:07:22] | skd5aner: | Igneous: and, refresh it if you've already loaded it – because I just cleaned up a few things in the wiki |
| [20:07:53] | Igneous: | refreshed! |
| [20:08:09] | joshn: | I've got an interesting problem...If I start mythbackend with no options and tell it to record a show, the program file gets created, but it never gets recorded to. If I start with "mythbackend -v most", recordings work fine. Any idea what would cause that? |
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| [20:13:57] | NewBuntu81: | Can you watch Mythweb recordings on an Ipod/Ipad/Iphone? I can get to the page and show recordings, but it says it uses Safari. Thinking back to my Windows PC, i had to install VLC for the recordings to work. |
| [20:14:32] | wagnerrp: | you can stream using flash |
| [20:15:03] | Shadow__X: | non of those devices do flash |
| [20:15:06] | skd5aner: | so – no |
| [20:15:18] | Beirdo: | w00t |
| [20:15:27] | Beirdo: | the image was yaffs2 |
| [20:15:29] | skd5aner: | can you do asx streams though via mythweb? |
| [20:15:37] | Beirdo: | which, of course, is not supported by Ubuntu |
| [20:16:14] | wagnerrp: | there is a 'iphone theme' for mythweb, that i believe does exactly what you want |
| [20:16:26] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: nope, it was removed |
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| [20:16:47] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: also, it was just a theme – it didn't really add any specific iphone only functionality around streaming |
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| [20:17:18] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: i thought it basically did the same thing as flash streaming, but provided a direct link the iphone could handle |
| [20:17:23] | NewBuntu81: | Right, the theme was removed. |
| [20:17:39] | NewBuntu81: | You can do .asx streaming...assuming you have software that supports it. |
| [20:18:00] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: hmmm, ttbomk I don't remember that part of it, although you could be right – I don't remember seeing it ither |
| [20:18:36] | wagnerrp: | no, no ffmpeg call |
| [20:18:38] | NewBuntu81: | .asx is native to Windows devices though, isn't it? (Media Player) |
| [20:18:47] | Shadow__X: | i thought you could convert recordings to a more Idevice friendly format and if its in the recordings directory mythweb would include the link to it |
| [20:18:47] | wagnerrp: | i guess it would only work for recordings already transcoded |
| [20:18:53] | wagnerrp: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythweb/blob/master . . . tream_mp4.pl |
| [20:19:21] | skd5aner: | ah |
| [20:21:00] | NewBuntu81: | sweet |
| [20:21:04] | NewBuntu81: | myth can do it all! |
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| [20:23:24] | Beirdo: | wow, only took 6 times to get my password right this time |
| [20:24:05] | wagnerrp: | NewBuntu81: except mythtv cant transcode to mp4 |
| [20:25:10] | NewBuntu81: | i'm sure somebody figured it out...hahaha. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Streaming_to_iPod_touch_or_iPhone |
| [20:26:32] | Beirdo: | go, Qt. Seems Nokia canned Qtopia (Qt Extended) |
| [20:28:37] | skd5aner: | over 2 years ago |
| [20:28:42] | Beirdo: | aye |
| [20:28:52] | Beirdo: | Oh well, I think I'll be using it anyways ;) |
| [20:29:02] | skd5aner: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qt_Extended_Improved |
| [20:29:14] | skd5aner: | probably ought to use that ^^ ? |
| [20:30:17] | Beirdo: | possibly |
| [20:30:31] | Beirdo: | to start with, I'll use whatever version comes with the board :) |
| [20:31:04] | Beirdo: | /usr/local/Trolltech/QtEmbedded-4.6.3-arm |
| [20:31:08] | Beirdo: | oooh, cool |
| [20:32:30] | Beirdo: | wonder which httpd is on there |
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| [20:35:09] | Beirdo: | boa?! |
| [20:40:38] | wagnerrp: | is that bad? |
| [20:40:55] | Beirdo: | probably not, but never heard of the thing |
| [20:41:11] | Beirdo: | I'll make do... or change to nginx or something else |
| [20:41:15] | Beirdo: | (not apache) |
| [20:41:35] | wagnerrp: | seems to be big among the embedded crowd |
| [20:41:40] | wagnerrp: | or at least was several years ago |
| [20:41:47] | Beirdo: | yeah. seems that way |
| [20:42:12] | Beirdo: | I'm only really planning on serving up rrdtool graphs, so it's probably just fine |
| [20:43:34] | wagnerrp: | presumably pre-renderered? |
| [20:43:40] | Beirdo: | nah |
| [20:43:58] | Beirdo: | I'll store the RRDs, and render graphs on demand, as a start |
| [20:44:05] | wagnerrp: | does boa support serverside scripting/cgi? |
| [20:44:10] | Beirdo: | seems to |
| [20:44:25] | Beirdo: | AddType application/x-httpd-cgi cgi |
| [20:45:02] | Beirdo: | and the example has a cgi. |
| [20:45:15] | Beirdo: | #! /bin/sh |
| [20:45:17] | Beirdo: | hahah |
| [20:45:25] | Beirdo: | probably just as well |
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| [20:56:39] | Beirdo: | well, I guess I better go to this useless training. |
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| [22:21:02] | Beirdo: | oh oh... iamlindoro is on a triage rampage :) Good work |
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