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Teligard:

Hello everyone.

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Teligard:

Has anyone had luck setting up mythtv using the Hauppauge 1600 and Dish Network?

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Teligard:

I've been struggling to get it to work for quite a while

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wagnerrp:

presumably youre trying to use analog capture off your STB?

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Teligard:

I've tried both Analog and Digital

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wagnerrp:

well digital simply isnt an option

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Teligard:

I tell Mythtv to scan for channels and it doesn't find anything

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wagnerrp:

and you cant scan for channels when using an STB

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Teligard:

ok

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wagnerrp:

the STB is going to output video one way or another

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wagnerrp:

mythtv has no possible way to tell if that video is for a real channel or just a 'no channel' screen

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Teligard:

ok

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Teligard:

So I simply set it to channel 3/4 or whatever tuner2 is using in the box, and hope for the best

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Teligard:

?

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wagnerrp:

so, set the card up as an mpeg encoder

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wagnerrp:

use the svideo input

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Teligard:

ok

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wagnerrp:

and pull a channel lineup from your schedules direct account

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Teligard:

Gotcha

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Teligard:

Let me go try that...

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Teligard:

(Signing up for Schedules Direct now)

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clgshaft:

Hey guys, when I pause live tv and try to fast forward it only let's me fast forward a second, this is a frontend, using the right arrow key

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Teligard:

Is there a minimalized way to install and configure mythtv in ubuntu (say from a minimal ubuntu 10.10 install with SSHServer)?

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wagnerrp:

there is mythbuntu

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Teligard:

I am really trying to use mythtv backend with the XBMC frontend and addon

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wagnerrp:

then you probably want to be in #xbmc

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Teligard:

I am

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Teligard:

I was hoping to gleam some info on how to configure mythtv from the shell

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Teligard:

As the only option I've found so far is through the GUI, which I'm trying to avoid

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wagnerrp:

why?

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Teligard:

I dont' want additional bloat and overhead, as this is a dedicated media box

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wagnerrp:

then you really dont want to be running ubuntu

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mag0o:

heh

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wagnerrp:

besides, who cares about what files get installed

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wagnerrp:

surely youve got the couple GB of disk space for a nasty bloated ubuntu install

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Teligard:

My harddrive does

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wagnerrp:

and if its not actively running, who cares

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wagnerrp:

you can have everything and the kitchen sink installed, but the only thing that matters is the processes and libraries currently loaded into memory

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Teligard:

I'm working on doing a LFS setup (compliling the OS from source)

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, he probably wants to clear cached programs out of ram too

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wagnerrp:

they will get flushed out just as soon as linux decides it needs the memory for something else

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wagnerrp:

Teligard: mythfrontend, mythtv-setup, and mythwelcome are all X applications

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wagnerrp:

they require just as much of Xorg installed as any other X application

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Teligard:

I simply don't want a bunch of stuff on there. Ubuntu was the easiest to set up initially.

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wagnerrp:

if youre doing LFS, you should understand what im inferring by that statement

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Teligard:

I only really want to make use of mythtv-backend and the mysql

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Teligard:

I understand that it does memory management, and, being linux, it's rather good at it.

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wagnerrp:

well for now, you configure mythbackend using mythtv-setup, and you require all the local headers and libraries needed to run an X application

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wagnerrp:

do understand that you DO NOT need X running, or even installed, to run an X application

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Teligard:

ok, so there is no shell option.

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Teligard:

np

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Teligard:

Thanks

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wagnerrp:

all you need is a very limited shell of libraries and headers

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Teligard:

hmmm, ok

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Teligard:

I thought you had to have the subsystem in place to facilitate

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wagnerrp:

yes, the subsystem is the libraries (and if you need to compile, the headers)

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wagnerrp:

you really dont need much to run an application redirected to a remote X server

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Teligard:

I guess I need to do more homework to understand how it all works

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Teligard:

I really do appreciate the info you're providing

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wagnerrp:

there is work in progress to deprecate mythtv-setup, in favor of a web utility served up by the backend

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wagnerrp:

but thats still probably 4–6 months out

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wagnerrp:

there is only the very initial work in place

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Teligard:

good deal

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Teligard:

Question: I'm going with your suggestion of just using the SVideo 1 input on the card.

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wagnerrp:

that sounds like a statement

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Teligard:

And, I'm assuming, as SVideo doesn't work with Channel #'s, I didn't enter a starting channel

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Teligard:

The system is asking for me to set one. What should I do

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Teligard:

?

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wagnerrp:

there are two different starting channels

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wagnerrp:

one is the channel mythtv will start at when entering live tv, using whatever tuning device you have, internal or external

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wagnerrp:

the other is specifically if you are using an internal tuner in combination with a STB, in order to set it to channel 3/4

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wagnerrp:

the first one is a dropdown, lets you select from the channels available on that source, and must be set

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wagnerrp:

the second is an edit box, and if you are using a baseband input, must be left blank

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Teligard:

I have yet to get the internal tuner to take find a channel

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wagnerrp:

additionally, since youre using an STB, youll need a channel changer script, usually IR

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wagnerrp:

until you get that set up, you can use /bin/true

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Teligard:

ok

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tgm4883:

Anyone seen .old files in their recordings directory?

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Teligard:

So, simply setup lirc would work well for me.

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iamlindoro:

.old files are the product of failed/incomplete transcodes

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tgm4883:

iamlindoro, ah

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wagnerrp:

i thought those were .tmp

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iamlindoro:

nope

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tgm4883:

.old seems like a weird extension

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iamlindoro:

why?

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iamlindoro:

It's the old file

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tgm4883:

oh

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iamlindoro:

it's an exact description of what it is

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tgm4883:

heh, I guess it is

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tgm4883:

I thought you were saying it was the destination file

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** mag0o looks for the .wife extension **

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iamlindoro:

it's the original file moved out of the way pending the newly written file being put in its place

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iamlindoro:

when myth for whatever reason fails to move the new recording into place, usually because of a poorly timed crash, it leaves the .old file so you're not totally screwed

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tgm4883:

iamlindoro, sounds good, I'll pass that along to the user

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iamlindoro:

coolio

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wagnerrp:

*(J#$OMDF(P#J

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wagnerrp:

you keep closing tickets, while im closing tickets

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iamlindoro:

heh

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wagnerrp:

and then trac complains

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** wagnerrp now knows how sphery feels **

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wagnerrp:

this one is interesting... looks like someone's spam generator failed

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wagnerrp:

http://code.mythtv.org/trac/admin/spamfilter/monitor/36581

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CyberKnet:

finally home to work on this thing

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Teligard:

wagnerrp: you said that mythtv/mythtv-setup could run on minimal X

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wagnerrp:

correct, all you need are the basic X libs

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wagnerrp:

and you can forward the client to a remote X server

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Teligard:

I ended up having to (or so it seemed) install of gdm

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Teligard:

I need to learn how to do that then

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wagnerrp:

there should be absolutely no need to install gdm, or kdm, or xdm, or any other login manager of the sort

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CyberKnet:

wagnerrp: I was looking around to see what kind of tuner support there is for MythTV running on FreeBSD ... do you have any good reference sites I could go to in order to find out?

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wagnerrp:

HDHomeRun

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wagnerrp:

there is an IVTV driver for freebsd, but it has problems interfacing with mythtv

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wagnerrp:

the expected ioctls dont work with modern kernels for some reason

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wagnerrp:

and supposedly there is some translation software that will allow any linux USB tuner driver to work

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wagnerrp:

http://www.freshports.org/multimedia/webcamd/

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CyberKnet:

but nothing solid for the PVR-500 and HVR_2250?

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CyberKnet:

hmmm.

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wagnerrp:

the -500 is an IVTV card

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wagnerrp:

there is a set of CXM drivers that allows it to work in freebsd

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wagnerrp:

but as mentioned, mythtv hits some interface ioctls that arent working properly

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CyberKnet:

right.

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CyberKnet:

I should have used a better term than "solid".

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CyberKnet:

OK – so if I can't use ZFS on account of not being able to use my tuners with BSD, is there a better filesystem recommendation than XFS for my recorded video?

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CyberKnet:

(also, I'll be dropping the Raid 1 and moving to something of a sync solution)

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wagnerrp:

btrfs is designed as the linux alternative to zfs

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wagnerrp:

but is still very much experimental

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CyberKnet:

experimental doesn't sound like the right thing for me. I'm ... gifted enough ... at being able to mess things up and not fix them.

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Brik_:

i have an odd issue... recordings, from one channel on only one FE cause the FE to lock up hard upon starting playback.

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Brik_:

playsfine on du=if FE

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Brik_:

*different

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[R]:

whats the hardware differnece, what kind of recording

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Brik_:

thoughts as to where to start troubleshooting?

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Brik_:

its an atom ion FE where the troubl e==e is

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Brik_:

the recording is a 720p recording from ABC

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[R]:

are you using vdpau?

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Brik_:

yes

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[R]:

what if you disable it?

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Brik_:

havent tried, you mean choose slim or something?

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[R]:

yeha

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Brik_:

still locks hard when set fror slim

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Brik_:

seems to hang on first frame of video

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[R]:

is the box compeltley dead?

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Brik_:

actually its "tries to 'skip' and then locks

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Brik_:

nope just FE, i'm on that box now

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[R]:

what do you mean "just fe"?

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Brik_:

mythfrontebd is locked up

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[R]:

ok, what does the log say

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Brik_:

the machine seems to be fine

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Brik_:

i'm tailing it now...

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Brik_:

its saying video frame buffering failed too many times

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[R]:

are you on the latest 24-fixes?

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Brik_:

and prebuffer wait timed out

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Brik_:

.23.1

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[R]:

upgrade ot 24

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[R]:

lots of things have been fixed

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Brik_:

i went from .23 to .23.1 to try and fix but that made zero diff

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Brik_:

okay

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Brik_:

i'll give that a shot, thanks

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Brik_:

gnite

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wagnerrp:

careful, hes going to come back with a trident

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iamlindoro:

You're going to want to find someplace safe to hole up for a while, because you're probably wanted for murder

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drkdrgn3k:

hhow can i tell if a encoder is online?

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drkdrgn3k:

or not

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wagnerrp:

you can check the backend status page

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wagnerrp:

http://<yourbackend>:6544/

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drkdrgn3k:

wagnerrp: does it apear in the database r anything?

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drkdrgn3k:

6544 <- cool never seen that before lol

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drkdrgn3k:

looking more for a monitoring script

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drkdrgn3k:

(hdpvr aint the stablest thing in the world)

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wagnerrp:

http://<yourbackend>:6544/xml

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drkdrgn3k:

well thats even cooler

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drkdrgn3k:

thaxn!

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drkdrgn3k:

you guys thought of everythin!

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wagnerrp:

'course thats all gone in 0.25

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drkdrgn3k:

?

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wagnerrp:

(its moved elsewhere, but the page is actually the same)

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wagnerrp:

s/page/data/

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drkdrgn3k:

LOL wheres it move to

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wagnerrp:

maybe /Status or something

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drkdrgn3k:

oo ok

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drkdrgn3k:

anyway thanx again!

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CyberKnet:

Am I going crazy, or does NewEgg item N82E16822152245 actually say that it (a 2TB drive) only has a 667GB formatted capacity?!??

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[R]:

link?

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CyberKnet:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . E16822152245

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CyberKnet:

click the Details tab

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wagnerrp:

per disk

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wagnerrp:

yes

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CyberKnet:

I guess I missed the part on the page somewhere that says it has 3+ disks in one drive, eh?

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wagnerrp:

3 platters, yes

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wagnerrp:

3.5" drives have between 1–4 platters per drive

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wagnerrp:

2.5" ones usually have 1–2

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mycosys:

spintronics is amazing

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wagnerrp:

ive seen 10K drives with 8

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Shadow__X:

were they normal height?

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mycosys:

lol

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wagnerrp:

no, thicker than normal

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mycosys:

half height?

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wagnerrp:

but the platters were significantly thinner than what you normally find in 3.5" drives

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wagnerrp:

mycosys: they were ~1" thick

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wagnerrp:

normal desktop drives are significantly thinner

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mycosys:

imagine what could be fit in an ol full height 5 incher

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wagnerrp:

mycosys: probably only 4 or so

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mycosys:

same height as the ol 1st gen IDE drives

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mycosys:

huh???

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mycosys:

u know full height is 2ce the height of a DVD drive

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wagnerrp:

bigger drive, more centrifugal stresses

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wagnerrp:

means you need thicker platters to prevent warping

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mycosys:

more talkikng about the height

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wagnerrp:

similarly, those 10K drives i opened up were physically 3.5" disk, but had much smaller platters than a normal 3.5" drive

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wagnerrp:

hence they could be thinner, and there be more packed in

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mycosys:

is about 4" high

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mycosys:

those 10ks are just like most 10ks, 2.5" platters in a 3.5" HEATSINK

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mycosys:

no reason u couldnt put 40 250g platters in the space an old 10MB drive used to take

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wagnerrp:

well the problem is if one fails, youve got a giant disk with 40 platters to replace

[04:03:04]

wagnerrp:

and with 40 platters, and 40 read heads, the probability of a failure significantly increases

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mycosys:

yeah – just amazing tho – billion fold increase in density in the last 25 years

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CyberKnet:

anyone have anything to note about the reliability of Antec power supplies?

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wagnerrp:

hard to find better

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CyberKnet:

awesome. that's my opinion also.

[04:27:45]

CyberKnet:

ordering a new one and was planning to stick with what I believe to be the best.

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CyberKnet:

I think the old PSU has been killing drives. gone through three OS drives in that BE in under 12 months.

[04:30:53]

CyberKnet:

I *thought* I had an Antec in it already, but .. perhaps not.

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CyberKnet:

it *is* getting remarkably hot in that case though... hopefully this Antec Twelve Hundred will alleviate some of that.

[04:32:19]

CyberKnet:

first time I've ordered computer stuff from Amazon instead of NewEgg.

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CyberKnet:

$3.99 overnight shipping is pretty awesome though.

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wagnerrp:

too many lights

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CyberKnet:

overnight with saturday delivery even.

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CyberKnet:

way too many lights.

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CyberKnet:

wanted the ventilation. I have a Nine Hundred and discounting the lights, I'm very happy with it.

[04:34:04]

CyberKnet:

but yes ... too many lights.

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CyberKnet:

I don't know what the obsession is with putting blue LEDs into fans.

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CyberKnet:

stupid.

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wagnerrp:

if you wanted ventilation, you should have gotten one of these... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163161

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CyberKnet:

I looked at that, but I didn't have that much to spend.

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CyberKnet:

I loved the motherboard mounting design and the drive capacity.

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CyberKnet:

if I had another $100, I totally would have gotten that.

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CyberKnet:

I guess I'm going to let this xfs_repair run overnight (again) so that it can tell me (again) that it can't find a secondary superblock.

[04:39:33]

CyberKnet:

last time I noticed the root fs was mounted RO, so I thought perhaps that could have impeded xfs_repair from operating correctly (though I would have expected an error or something at least...)

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CyberKnet:

if this doesn't work – then I'll just count that data as lost.

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wagnerrp:

mythtv users tend to be populated by those who use XFS, and those who no longer use it after being burned by XFS

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CyberKnet:

I kind of asked this before... but in case I didn't really ask the question I meant ... what filesystem should I use?

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CyberKnet:

I used Ext3 at one point under Fedora, and ever since I installed Mythbuntu I believe it defaulted to xfs and someone had said something about it being better performing for large files

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CyberKnet:

btrfs you mentioned is around to compete somewhat with zfs, but it is still experimental.

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wagnerrp:

ext3 is very bad for large files

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wagnerrp:

deletes are particularly awful

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wagnerrp:

and even has special code in mythtv to work around its deficiencies

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CyberKnet:

Ext4 seems like it may have better tools than xfs, but I'm not sure if the large file performance has gotten any better...

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, XFS is bad?

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tgm4883:

Mythbuntu defaults to EXT4 now BTW

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CyberKnet:

tgm4883: Hmmm... good to know.

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: thats a religious argument as much as anything else

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tgm4883:

ah

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tgm4883:

filthy communists!

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CyberKnet:

tgm4883: any suggestions about how to deal with an XFS volume with a bad superblock and xfs_repair not being able to find any secondary superblocks?

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wagnerrp:

ive been burned enough times by XFS that i wont use it

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tgm4883:

CyberKnet, not really, I don't recall if I even use XFS any more

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tgm4883:

doubt it

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: how did you get burned

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CyberKnet:

large file performance with Ext4 is fine then I take it?

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tgm4883:

Shadow__X, no hot pad when cooking

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wagnerrp:

irrecoverably lost two drives

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wagnerrp:

have had other strange issues on other XFS drives

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[R]:

your drives died?

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wagnerrp:

[R]: no, drives were fine, filesystem was trashed

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CyberKnet:

ditto.

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[R]:

well you said you lost 2 drives... so i was confused

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CyberKnet:

probably in incomplete write in my case.

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wagnerrp:

lost two drives worth of data

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Shadow__X:

is that what pushed you towards zfs?

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[R]:

zoom file system?

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wagnerrp:

basically, in my uninformed opinion, XFS was written by SGI for high end workstation and server equipment

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wagnerrp:

redundant, expensive, reliable stuff

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wagnerrp:

it makes a lot of decisions based off the assumption that the hardware will be reliable

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wagnerrp:

decisions that make it high performance, but not very resilient

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Shadow__X:

would running it on a raid5 array help increase its resiliency

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

XFS very aggressively caches reads and writes

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Shadow__X:

more along the lines of battery backup then?

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wagnerrp:

in such a fashion that even with the journal, can cause inconsistencies in the filesystem

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: the move to ZFS had nothing to do with my problems with XFS

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wagnerrp:

since the two do not exist on the same operating systems

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Shadow__X:

ok

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wagnerrp:

the sharper image has an e-reader? i thought they closed

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mycosys:

cyberknet – antec dont make power supplies

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mycosys:

that said all of my supplies are antec branded seasonic units

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wagnerrp:

oh?

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mycosys:

yep – they dont make a single psu

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mycosys:

most of their older designs are seaqsonic, most of the latest are cwt

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mycosys:

*seasonic

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mycosys:

or delta

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mycosys:

anything by seasonic, delta or cwt you will be alright

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mycosys:

or enermax

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mycosys:

or pc power and cooling

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wagnerrp:

who makes their non-ATX supplies?

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mycosys:

would depend which one

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mycosys:

would be easy enough to hunt down

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mycosys:

corsair dont make any psus either – they dont make anything afaik

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mycosys:

they sell nice stuff tho

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wagnerrp:

http://www.antec.com/Believe_it/product.php?id=MjEyMA==

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mycosys:

CP is a seasonic i believe

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mycosys:

will check

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mycosys:

nup – is a Delta

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mycosys:

same oem as the more recent earthwatts units

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mycosys:

original EA-xxx is seasonic, EA-xxxD is delta – thats an easy one lol

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mycosys:

TruePower are all seasonics afaik

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mycosys:

signature is delta

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mycosys:

oh – is corsair who went cwt lol

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wagnerrp:

yeah, the seasonic supplies do look similar

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wagnerrp:

one big fan on the bottom, very vented

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mycosys:

most of them are 80mm thruflows

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wagnerrp:

looks like a 120

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mycosys:

the Antec EA-500 and corsair VX450 are basically the same supply btw

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mycosys:

if they are the same price, buy the corsair lol

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wagnerrp:

seems the CP units are deltas

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mycosys:

thats what i just said

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mycosys:

(4:06:15 PM) mycosys: CP is a seasonic i believe

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mycosys:

(4:06:18 PM) mycosys: will check

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mycosys:

(4:07:45 PM) mycosys: nup – is a Delta

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wagnerrp:

ah, missed the second line

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mycosys:

been using seasonic for decades lol – kinda like their gear

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sphery:

tgm4883: you'll also get .old files if you enable, "Save original files after transcoding (globally)" in mythtv-setup

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sphery:

"soon", when we support multiple files per recording, they'll be managed from within mythtv

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wagnerrp:

ive got a seasonic 400W bronze in one of my machines

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wagnerrp:

hasnt given be a bit of trouble

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wagnerrp:

2TB hitachis at newegg for $65

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mycosys:

:(

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mycosys:

spose cant be that far away they are that over here

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** wagnerrp wholly did not understand that sentence **

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wagnerrp:

was it wd who just bought hitachi?

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mycosys:

cannot be that long until 2T hdds are that chap over here in australia

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mycosys:

*cheap

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mycosys:

dont recall, think it might have been

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mycosys:

wonder if they will retire the deathstar brand

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wagnerrp:

3TB for only $170, those are coming down too

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wagnerrp:

heh...

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wagnerrp:

individual drives for $170 with free shipping

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mycosys:

Still amazes me that they kept the deskstar brand after the glass platter disasters

[05:40:05]

wagnerrp:

or a 20-pack for $3700 ($185 each), plus $27 shipping

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mycosys:

:S

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wagnerrp:

mycosys: they didnt, they sold it to hitachi

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mycosys:

i know

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wagnerrp:

the deskstar issues were under IBM's ownership

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mycosys:

i know

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mycosys:

and it has tainted the brand sice

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wagnerrp:

ive got a couple hitachis

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mycosys:

i know they are great drives – they just cant reach their sales potential with that name

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wagnerrp:

heh... russian man gets 18 months in prison after hacking billboard to display porn

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mycosys:

rofl

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Guest94322:

just wondering if anyone know if here where changed in how mythtv handle channel changes?

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Guest94322:

Sorry, between 0.23 and 0,24

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wagnerrp:

yes, there were some changes meant to resolve issues where mythtv would attempt to start recording before a device was available, and fail

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Guest94322:

Hummm, Ok, we have spoken before, thanks for the help, I am the guy that is having problems scheduled recordings but live tv works great. I wrote a script to test my channel change/ir placement and it did not fail once in the 1000 times I tested it. Tonight when it when to tape a schedule recording it once again taped the wrong channel.

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wagnerrp:

i have no clue why livetv would work, and recordings would not

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Guest94322:

I know

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Guest94322:

I have been banging my head against a wall for like 4 months, lol

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Guest94322:

Just so I understand, I am determine to figure this out, say I have 2 recordings that start at 7. does it tune one and then the second or both at the smae time?

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wagnerrp:

likely both at the same time

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wagnerrp:

if you are using lirc

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wagnerrp:

you may have some sort of race condition

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Guest94322:

That is what I was thinking

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wagnerrp:

are these independent blasters? or two blasters on a single MCEUSB unit?

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Guest94322:

one usb blaster, 2 channels

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wagnerrp:

and youre using 'set transmitter' or whatever that call is?

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Guest94322:

I am

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wagnerrp:

then yes, some sort of race condition is very likely

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wagnerrp:

add in some blocking support

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wagnerrp:

where you check for a lock file in /var/run

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wagnerrp:

although... even that could cause problems

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Guest94322:

hummm

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wagnerrp:

if both test false, and both create the same file at the same time

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Guest94322:

it worked perfectly for years with 0.21 – to 0.23

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Guest94322:

I am not familiar with block support

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wagnerrp:

http://wiki.bash-hackers.org/howto/mutex

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Guest94322:

they create a file

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Guest94322:

Ok, sweet, I will read that and try it out, thank again, I will keep you posted if that fixes it

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ke^:

http://pastebin.com/xaJ7Vaug can anyone explain where is my problem now. I added second dvb-t card af9015 based usb card. After that problems started to appear.

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ke^:

First the card did work and didnt work then i did figure out it would be my mythtv that is the problem. I removed my distro versio on mythtv package (arch linux) and compiled from latest svn fixed git. The problem didnt disappear and i had problems with mythtweb to get running. After that i fall back to distro package but now i wont seem to have even change to get it running. Cause mythbackend crashes immidiately after i start it in init. I tried to clean up

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ke^:

i have run fix for my mysql database and have tried to run clean in various ways ... nothing seems to help :\ the both dvb-t cards seem to work fine with kaffeine.

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ke^:

ok seem to work when i remove my .mythtv settings :\

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ke^:

bloody configuration :\

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justinh:

never ceases to amaze me how all those plain text error messages are so hard to decipher

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doc235:

will this card Multimedia video controller: Conexant Systems, Inc. Hauppauge Inc. HDPVR-1250 model 1196 (rev 04) work with mythtv and if so , how do i tell it to use it please?

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pheld:

doc235: you first have to make sure it has working v4l driver (see linuxtv.org), but you may be out of lucj with that particular model (//www.mail-archive.com/linux-media@vger.kernel.org/msg14467.html)" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-media@vger. . . . g14467.html)

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doc235:

thats what i have found so far. oh well will buy a different one

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doc235:

thanks for the help

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pheld:

doc235: have you tried the cx23885 driver? It may work (http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/VIDEO_CX23885.html). 1250 rev1196 is listed as supported, but it'll probably require a recent kernel

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doc235:

pheld i have tried cx23885 and running 2.6.38 :/

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doc235:

any recomendations for a good tvtuner card for linux with mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

doc235: there is no such thing as an HDPVR-1205

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wagnerrp:

you are seeing that because of a bug in lspci

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wagnerrp:

it is actually just an HVR-1250

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wagnerrp:

which works just fine in both linux and mythtv

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doc235:

mine is a 1250 not 1205

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wagnerrp:

yes, 1250

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wagnerrp:

there is no 1205 either

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doc235:

ok

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doc235:

how do i get mythtv to recognize the 1250

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wagnerrp:

that card should have 'just worked' since somewhere around the 2.6.27 kernel

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wagnerrp:

do you have a /dev/dvb/adapter0?

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doc235:

hmmmm, i guess i need more reading on mythtv

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doc235:

no /dev/dvb

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doc235:

so what did i miss

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wagnerrp:

is you run 'lsmod', you should see s5h1409, mt2131, and cx23885 loaded

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doc235:

nope

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wagnerrp:

are you using your distro provided kernel? or did you build your own?

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doc235:

built my own , using gentoo

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wagnerrp:

then you built it wrong, youre missing necessary modules

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doc235:

ok. will have to go back in and find them

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doc235:

thanks for the help, will dig into it

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wagnerrp:

note that this card will be digital only

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wagnerrp:

no analog support

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doc235:

ok

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doc235:

i had forgotten to select the connexent card

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wagnerrp:

presuming you have them compiled as modules, you shouldnt need to reboot

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wagnerrp:

just load the necessary modules

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doc235:

right, adding them as modules

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doc235:

great, the modules loaded with modprobe this time

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doc235:

and i have /dev/dvb/adapter0 also

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doc235:

MythBackend, Error: No valid capture cards are defined in the database. is current error, so now what do i do? i thought i had that all done

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wagnerrp:

no, you have to configure mythtv to use the card

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doc235:

use mythsetup ?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv-setup

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doc235:

ok

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doc235:

again, thanks for your help

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wagnerrp:

you want to configure it as a dvb card

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doc235:

ok

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doc235:

worked, it recognizes my card now, thanks a lot wagnerrp

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doc235:

i now have reading to do to learn mythtv

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doc235:

better at any rate :)

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Teligard:

hello

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Teligard:

could anyone provide me with info on how to deal with mythtv-backend, and the mysql connection (running in Ubuntu)?

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wagnerrp:

what do you want to know?

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CyberKnet:

how much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

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mag0o:

3 cords

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wagnerrp:

47 bushels

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sphery:

Hey, you woodchucks! Quick chucking my wood!

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CyberKnet:

0.25 libraries of congress.

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sphery:

best commercial ever

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** wagnerrp prefers librarians of congress **

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sphery:

er, quit

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sphery:

bad typing

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** mag0o read it as quit **

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Gene425:

I had the same issure ealier this week. I figured it out.

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Gene425:

the myth back-end, that is... not the woodchchuck

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wagnerrp:

your backend was chucking wood?

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Gene425:

that's a good metaphore...

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CyberKnet:

wagnerrp: you record the right TV, you end up with wood all over the back end.

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wagnerrp:

i dont get those channels

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CyberKnet:

me either, but I hear it's the best down time a man will ever experience.

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sphery:

I think it might be hard to answer Teligard's question if he doesn't notice that people are here, again, and asking for more info.

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Gene425:

hye tligard

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CyberKnet:

You've got male.

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CyberKnet:

Imma quit perpetuating this bad (single person) conversation.

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wagnerrp:

who is 'Imma'?

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CyberKnet:

It's urban slang for "I am goign to"

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CyberKnet:

"I am going to"

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Teligard:

sorry

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Teligard:

I've been jumping between channels

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Gene425:

This may have a place here. I've installed a mythbuntu distro on a lenovo nettop. i have a comcast (seattle) pace rng110 rf hd box with firewire. i'm thinking of going with "option 2" running my capture through the firewire. What are your thoughts on this?

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Gene425:

to late.. i bumped you.. :) j/k

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Teligard:

I've run into an issue where I try to connect the mythtv-backend to mysql (mythtv/mythtv, mythconverg)

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wagnerrp:

wont work, since your nettop isnt going to have enough power to play the content you get out of firewire

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Gene425:

Got it...

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Teligard:

At first, I could only access the database when connectng through the localhost or local loopback address.

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Gene425:

I'm goingn to pick setup a backend.

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Teligard:

Now I can't even access it that way

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wagnerrp:

make sure your mysql config allows it to listen on the network

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Gene425:

Once I get that done. What do you think about the firewire to capture? in my area most of the channels are 256 qam (i believe)

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wagnerrp:

and then just make sure your grants are set up properly

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Teligard:

wagnerrp: the issue I mentioned last night

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sphery:

Teligard: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#modify_perm_mysql , especially last paragraph?

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sphery:

(well, last para before NOTE:)

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Teligard:

k

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sphery:

Gene425: firewire capture is fine, if your cable co provides a STB with working and enabled firewire and if your cable co provides the channels you want to record unencrypted over firewire

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

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CyberKnet:

those are a lot of ifs.

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Gene425:

ok..

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sphery:

basically, you'd have to try it to see if it's worth doing :)

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sphery:

(or possible, as the case may be)

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sphery:

Teligard: while getting ready to mow the lawn, I just thought of what's probably the problem... for each 'GRANT ... TO mythtv@... IDENTIFIED by "mythtv";' you've run, you likely need to: SET PASSWORD FOR 'mythtv'@'<hostname-or-ip-address-you-specified-in-the-GRANT>' = PASSWORD('mythtv');

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sphery:

Teligard: seems something about MySQL on *buntu is borked and IDENTIFIED BY doesn't work properly

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sphery:

(can you tell I'd rather be computing than mowing the lawn?)

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sphery:

you'll need to do that as mysql root user if you can't connect as mysql mythtv user

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Teligard:

haha

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Teligard:

I can completely appreciate your perspective on the mow vs computing

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Teligard:

ok, and thanks for the info

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maccco:

does anywone had success in exiting witha 1080i modeline to an external deinterlacer (tv or av receiver)

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maccco:

?

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akv:

hey! I have a mythtv box and I have a problem with HD channels – some work fine and some are very bad. I'm using VDPAU for playback – any suggestions for debugging the channels that are failing? All the MKV files I have tried works perfectly – HD or FullHD...

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iamlindoro:

Number6: on what screen or plugin is it you wish you browse the folder structure? The themes are located in $prefix/share/mythtv/themes

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iamlindoro:

That's the answer he would get if he would come to the right channel

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wagnerrp:

was about to say... talking to yourself again?

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iamlindoro:

And yes, they're XML ;)

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iamlindoro:

Number6: on what screen or plugin is it you wish you browse the folder structure? The themes are located in $prefix/share/mythtv/themes

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iamlindoro:

And yes, they're XML ;)

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iamlindoro:

where $prefix tends to be /usr/local with many/most packages

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Number6:

iamlindoro: Videos and Music. I have them all organised by folders, I'm a recent Windows MCE convert

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iamlindoro:

In MythVideo you can turn on File Browse mode from the context menu

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wagnerrp:

Number6: so mythvideo and mythmusic, respectively

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wagnerrp:

except you really dont want to use 'file browse mode'

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iamlindoro:

Indeed

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foxbuntu:

Number6, all the info you want is here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Menu_theme_development_guide

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wagnerrp:

the default setting in mythvideo is to use the existing directory structure

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iamlindoro:

foxbuntu, Don't think that's the one he would want

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Number6:

foxbuntu: Score, thanks.

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wagnerrp:

you have to intentionally change the view mode to sort by something else

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Theme_Development

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iamlindoro:

menu themes are just the decision tree of what items are in the main menu

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wagnerrp:

why do we still have browse mode?

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foxbuntu:

iamlindoro, whoops, I grabbed the old one

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iamlindoro:

foxbuntu, Well, they still exist, they're just a little different

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iamlindoro:

look and feel is UI theme, main menu items are menu themes

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Number6:

Let's just pretend it's just Video. I have a hard drive for TV shows, in that you have things like "Documenteries", "Family Guy", etc.

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, I keep intending to remove it

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foxbuntu:

ah

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wagnerrp:

what would it be other than video, in this hypothetical scenario?

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Number6:

That all worked perfectly fine for Win MCE, but Mythtv seems different (at least in the themes I've played with)

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Number6:

wagnerrp: On that hard drive, just TV shows

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wagnerrp:

you add the director as a storage group

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wagnerrp:

and any folders in that directory show up at the root of MythVideo

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Number6:

But there is a mix of Films, older TV show and newer TV shows (all on seperate hard drives, because I'm pedantic)

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wagnerrp:

you can add multiple directories to a single storage group, and they will all be merged together

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Number6:

wagnerrp: That's what I've done. I'll change that to seperate storage groups

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wagnerrp:

meaning if you have your stuff spread across multiple drives, and want to keep stuff separate

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wagnerrp:

you will want to have a 'video' directory for each

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wagnerrp:

and within each, have Movies, or Documentaries, or Family Guy

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wagnerrp:

so that each folder is kept separate

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wagnerrp:

and its contents not merged

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wagnerrp:

give mythtv the parent directory

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Number6:

So all in different storage groups, called "TV", "Movies", "Old TV", etc?

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wagnerrp:

no, mythvideo only access content in the 'Videos' storage group

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wagnerrp:

what im saying is that you can define multiple folders in the Videos storage group

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wagnerrp:

and can even define folders on multiple separate backends

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wagnerrp:

but that top level folder will not be visible

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wagnerrp:

only the contents within that folder

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wagnerrp:

so you would not want to include '/media/Movies' as a top level folders

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Number6:

Ahh, ok. All all the *contents* of TV, Movies, etc, are shown

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wagnerrp:

you would would 'Movies' to be a subdirectory of that top folder

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wagnerrp:

so if you have a '/media/disk1/Movies' and '/media/disk2/Movies'

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wagnerrp:

you would define 'disk1' and 'disk2'

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wagnerrp:

and the contents of the two Movies directories would be in a merged folder in MythVideo

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Number6:

I understand

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wagnerrp:

note that when using storage groups, this content will be available to every frontend

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wagnerrp:

there is no need to mount the shares on remote frontends

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foxbuntu:

wagnerrp, has the problem with iso and similar been resolved in SGs?

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wagnerrp:

DVD ISOs, VIDEO_TS folders, and BDMV folders all work over storage groups

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wagnerrp:

however they currently cannot handle encrypted content

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