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Thursday, March 24th, 2011, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:11] wagnerrp: how can it be a DVR if it has no storage to record on?
[00:00:13] kc: If you can pause, rewind, fast forward, they have to have a hard disk.
[00:00:36] Bop: as i recall , when i worked for the company
[00:00:44] Bop: first box is with HDD
[00:00:50] Bop: 2º box was without
[00:01:09] wagnerrp: so it sounds exactly like mythtv
[00:01:20] wagnerrp: one or more backends that record, and then satellite frontends
[00:01:34] Bop: ok , not a big problem
[00:01:38] Bop: my major problem is
[00:01:54] Bop: that i cant control the sound volume in the mythtv with F9 . F10
[00:02:08] wagnerrp: how are you outputting sound?
[00:02:16] Bop: increase or decrease wil make things the same
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[00:02:19] EruditeHermit: wagnerrp, sorry to ask you again, but do you have any experience with VLC recording TV capture cards?
[00:02:29] Bop: moment , ill run mythtv setup
[00:02:30] wagnerrp: no, not much
[00:02:42] wagnerrp: sound output is not configured in mythtv-setup
[00:02:48] Bop: EruditeHermit, i've used VLC to stream dvb-t
[00:03:10] Bop: its easy to duplicate the stream for internet streaming , if that's what u want
[00:03:32] EruditeHermit: Bop, I have an analog v4l card and I am trying to record from a camcorder using VLC to digitize my old home videos. I can't get it to save. Any ideas?
[00:04:01] EruditeHermit: I can get it to play in VLC
[00:04:09] EruditeHermit: but can't figure out how to save the video stream
[00:04:57] Bop: hmm wait
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[00:07:24] Bop: wagnerrp, where's that option to configure sound in myth-setup ?
[00:07:48] wagnerrp: its not, you dont configure sound output in mythtv-setup
[00:07:54] wagnerrp: mythtv-setup is for configuring the backend
[00:08:08] wagnerrp: playback and sound output is a frontend task, so you configure it in mythfrontend itself
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[00:12:54] Bop: EruditeHermit, http://www.videolan.org/doc/streaming-howto/e . . . tml#id352611
[00:13:10] Bop: check Save a stream with VLC
[00:16:09] Bop: wagnerrp, Audio Output Device : ALSA:default
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[00:44:07] EruditeHermit: hey, can anyone help me to get sound working on an SAA7134 card?
[00:44:54] wagnerrp: abandon all hope, buy an mpeg encoder instead
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[00:45:33] EruditeHermit: wagnerrp, will the mpeg encoder be easy to use and convert video/audio better?
[00:46:00] wagnerrp: they are the recommended capture card for use with analog tv in mythtv
[00:46:10] EruditeHermit: ok so which one?
[00:46:17] wagnerrp: additionally, they would allow you to record your old VHS tapes without vlc
[00:46:18] EruditeHermit: can I pick one up for $50 or less?
[00:46:25] wagnerrp: just 'cat /dev/video0 > some_file.mpg'
[00:46:39] wagnerrp: start it when you hit play, hit ctrl-c when done
[00:46:45] EruditeHermit: wagnerrp, would it get audio too?
[00:47:00] wagnerrp: no, it would get an mpeg file
[00:47:07] wagnerrp: all encoding and multiplexing is done internally
[00:47:14] EruditeHermit: right
[00:47:20] EruditeHermit: but that mpeg file would have audio too?
[00:47:24] wagnerrp: meaning you dont mess with audio, you dont mess with video
[00:47:29] EruditeHermit: ok
[00:47:31] wagnerrp: you just get a nice, clean mpeg file
[00:47:38] EruditeHermit: well I have this card
[00:47:49] EruditeHermit: ADS Tech Instant HDTV P380
[00:47:52] wagnerrp: you can find used PVR-150s on ebay for ~$20
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[00:48:19] EruditeHermit: does that have a hardware encoder?
[00:48:43] wagnerrp: correct
[00:49:14] EruditeHermit: wait
[00:49:19] EruditeHermit: I mean the card I already have
[00:49:28] wagnerrp: likely no
[00:50:08] EruditeHermit: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815255001
[00:51:15] wagnerrp: if it had an mpeg encoder, there would be a lot more hardware on that board
[00:51:53] EruditeHermit: wagnerrp, ok could I ask a big favour?
[00:51:56] EruditeHermit: I need this today
[00:52:06] EruditeHermit: so which of these cards would you buy
[00:52:14] EruditeHermit: http://www.frys.com/search?search_type=regula . . . =0&cat=0
[00:52:30] EruditeHermit: must work with Linux
[00:52:42] wagnerrp: there are three cards mythtv can use that are still available for retail purchase
[00:52:49] wagnerrp: HVRs 1600, 1950, and 2250
[00:53:21] wagnerrp: the HVR-1850 will also work in linux, but the mpeg encoder has some unresolved driver conflict with mythtv
[00:53:47] EruditeHermit: ok
[00:53:48] EruditeHermit: so of those 3
[00:53:52] EruditeHermit: which one is best?
[00:54:03] wagnerrp: there is no best or worst
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[00:54:15] EruditeHermit: 1600 is PCI only
[00:54:25] EruditeHermit: 1950 and 2250 are PCI-E
[00:54:27] wagnerrp: the 1600 and 1850 are roughly equivalent, but are PCI and PCIe respectively
[00:54:27] EruditeHermit: it seems
[00:54:32] wagnerrp: the 1950 is USB
[00:54:36] wagnerrp: the 2250 is a dual tuner
[00:54:39] EruditeHermit: ah
[00:54:46] EruditeHermit: what does dual tuner mean?
[00:55:05] wagnerrp: actually, they are all dual tuners
[00:55:22] wagnerrp: the 1600 and 1850 can each record one analog and one digital recording simultaneously
[00:55:36] wagnerrp: the 2250 can record two things, analog or digital
[00:55:52] EruditeHermit: 1950?
[00:55:54] wagnerrp: i.e. one analog and one digital, two analog, or two digital
[00:56:05] EruditeHermit: I kinda like the fact that its USB
[00:56:30] wagnerrp: dont know if that one is a true dual tuner, or just a hybrid
[00:56:41] wagnerrp: hybrid being a single tuner that can record either analog or digital
[00:56:49] wagnerrp: so with that term, the 2250 is a dual hybrid
[00:56:58] wagnerrp: while the 1600 and 1850 are just dual tuners
[00:57:47] EruditeHermit: it says single tuner
[00:57:53] EruditeHermit: so 1950 is single hybrid?
[00:57:59] wagnerrp: probably
[01:00:39] EruditeHermit: this works
[01:00:42] EruditeHermit: right
[01:00:45] EruditeHermit: http://www.frys.com/product/5954744?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
[01:03:22] bance: wagnerrp: Had any thoughts on my problem?
[01:03:35] wagnerrp: that was?
[01:04:22] bance: backends not connecting/ liveTV
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[01:05:11] bance: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1712448
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[01:13:10] CyberKnet: Ugh. Mirrored drives are such a great idea. right up until the mirrored drive propegates the incorrect change that leaves the initial drive with the error "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1"
[01:13:22] CyberKnet: :|
[01:13:36] CyberKnet: xfs_repair running for 10 minutes now.
[01:14:02] wagnerrp: mirrored drives are for redundancy, not backup
[01:14:13] wagnerrp: it can only correct for hardware fault, not software
[01:14:53] CyberKnet: +1
[01:15:28] CyberKnet: corruption induced by hard reset after system freeze.
[01:16:26] CyberKnet: ugh. 1.5TB mirror... I believe xfs_repair is going to take *forever* to run here.
[01:16:41] CyberKnet: but if it returns a working drive then I'll be a happy camper.
[01:21:38] wagnerrp: thats one of the reasons filesystems like ZFS were written
[01:21:51] wagnerrp: they are resilient against such failures
[01:21:51] bance: OK time for bed see you's
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[01:27:42] CyberKnet: wagnerrp: Is ZFS responsive enough that you would put your primary tv storage group on it?
[01:28:02] wagnerrp: sure, why not?
[01:28:10] wagnerrp: ive been using it for my primary storage for years
[01:28:21] CyberKnet: I'd just not read any recommendation to use it... always read to use XFS
[01:28:31] wagnerrp: sun used to sell /extremely/ expensive servers running ZFS
[01:28:46] wagnerrp: well... ZFS and XFS are not really in competition
[01:28:57] wagnerrp: its not like you have a choice between the two
[01:29:50] CyberKnet: oh?
[01:30:09] wagnerrp: zfs and xfs are not available on the same systems
[01:30:22] wagnerrp: your OS of choice makes the decision for you
[01:31:19] CyberKnet: I see. On Ubuntu it's a userspace filesystem driver.
[01:31:32] wagnerrp: i dont consider that as support
[01:31:37] CyberKnet: me either.
[01:31:42] CyberKnet: Well, I'm not married to my distribution when the result is more reliable storage.
[01:32:15] wagnerrp: well, its more your kernel
[01:32:25] wagnerrp: specifically, using ZFS means using a kernel that is not linux
[01:32:39] wagnerrp: with all the implications that entails
[01:33:46] CyberKnet: So then ... you are running on OpenSolaris, or FreeBSD?
[01:33:52] wagnerrp: bsd
[01:34:39] CyberKnet: your BE running on BSD, or do you use NFS or some other network transport?
[01:34:54] wagnerrp: my BE runs on BSD
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[01:43:16] mag0o: when building myth with vdpau, it needs vdpau.h on the system, correct?
[01:45:18] wagnerrp: yes
[01:46:48] mag0o: found sphery's thread that referenced what I was looking for – the libvdpau link :)
[01:47:48] mag0o: google is to internet as sphery is to mythtv
[01:53:11] skd5aner: do the newest nvidia drivers package libvdpau with it or do you have to install it seperately now?
[01:54:04] wagnerrp: its separate
[01:54:57] mag0o: ^
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[03:42:32] EruditeHermit: wagnerrp, hey you about?
[03:42:48] EruditeHermit: wagnerrp, I got the HVR 1950 but it fails to load firmware =(
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[03:53:14] kc: EruditeHermit: What message do you get in dmesg? Unable to find file or what
[03:54:22] EruditeHermit: ah I think I got it
[03:54:30] EruditeHermit: firmware file is missing in ubuntu for some reason
[03:54:55] kc: You need to download it or extract it from the cd
[03:54:59] kc: http://www.steventoth.net/linux/hvr1950/v4l-pvrusb2-73xxx-01.fw
[03:55:14] EruditeHermit: yeah I just downloaded that
[03:55:19] EruditeHermit: now my /dev/video0 shows up
[03:59:47] EruditeHermit: kc, do you have experience with it?
[04:00:29] kc: That card? No.
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[04:00:56] kc: I use the 2250's personally
[04:01:06] EruditeHermit: htm
[04:01:25] EruditeHermit: cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg should output an mpg file right?
[04:01:33] wagnerrp: yes
[04:01:33] EruditeHermit: tvtime just crashes on me
[04:01:43] wagnerrp: tvtime cannot do mpeg encoders
[04:01:50] wagnerrp: it only handles framegrabbers
[04:01:56] wagnerrp: you should be able to use /dev/video24
[04:02:19] EruditeHermit: ok
[04:02:24] EruditeHermit: so how do I test this
[04:02:39] wagnerrp: 'cat /dev/video0 > some_file.mpg'
[04:02:58] wagnerrp: use v4l2ctl to specify which input you want to use
[04:03:46] EruditeHermit: wait I'm confused
[04:03:53] EruditeHermit: that command won't work out of the box?
[04:04:52] wagnerrp: what command?
[04:05:12] EruditeHermit: cat /dev/video0 > some_file.mpg
[04:05:22] wagnerrp: it will work just fine
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[04:05:31] EruditeHermit: its not outputting a video
[04:05:34] wagnerrp: but who knows what video is being routed to the encoder by default
[04:05:39] EruditeHermit: oh
[04:05:50] EruditeHermit: so what is v4l2ctl for?
[04:06:10] wagnerrp: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/V4l2-ctl
[04:06:21] wagnerrp: it lets you tell the card what physical input you want to use
[04:06:27] wagnerrp: specifically, the one connected to your camcorder
[04:06:52] EruditeHermit: ah
[04:07:00] EruditeHermit: wagnerrp, is v4lctl the same as v4l2ctl?
[04:07:04] EruditeHermit: I only have v4lctl
[04:07:13] EruditeHermit: or do I have to download it from somewhere?
[04:07:21] wagnerrp: v4l2 is the new api, v4l is the old one
[04:07:37] EruditeHermit: do you know what package v4l2ctl is in ubuntu?
[04:07:56] wagnerrp: try just using v4lctl
[04:07:58] wagnerrp: see if it works
[04:09:26] EruditeHermit: what parameters do I send it?
[04:09:36] EruditeHermit: v4l2ctl says -N lists outputs
[04:09:36] wagnerrp: dont know, never had the need to use it
[04:09:43] EruditeHermit: but v4lctl doesn't have that option
[04:10:23] EruditeHermit: ok found it
[04:10:28] EruditeHermit: its in ivtv-utils
[04:12:10] EruditeHermit: wagnerrp, so how do you set outputs?
[04:12:36] wagnerrp: inputs
[04:12:43] EruditeHermit: err inputs
[04:12:52] wagnerrp: dont know, never had the need to use it
[04:13:34] EruditeHermit: ok it says the video input is television
[04:13:41] EruditeHermit: which is correct
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[04:17:21] EruditeHermit: wagnerrp, when I do the cat command, the video produced is blank
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[04:18:01] wagnerrp: because youre receiving on an input with no signal
[04:18:12] EruditeHermit: wagnerrp, but it says the Input is the television
[04:18:16] EruditeHermit: which is the one I am using
[04:18:28] wagnerrp: surely youre not using the RF input
[04:18:44] EruditeHermit: the coax input
[04:18:45] EruditeHermit: yes
[04:18:56] wagnerrp: why not use composite or svideo?
[04:19:23] EruditeHermit: because its an old camera
[04:19:41] wagnerrp: then you may have it set to the wrong channel
[04:21:50] EruditeHermit: ah I am using composite and it works
[04:21:51] EruditeHermit: yay
[04:21:55] EruditeHermit: but for fun
[04:22:00] EruditeHermit: how do you set the channel for this?
[04:22:15] wagnerrp: need i repeat the same line?
[04:22:17] wagnerrp: :P
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[04:23:11] EruditeHermit: wagnerrp, v4l2ctl?
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[04:27:18] EruditeHermit: wagnerrp, how would I record something while viewing the video
[04:27:28] EruditeHermit: the problem with the cat command is that I can't see what is going on
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[04:30:46] wagnerrp: use VLC?
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[04:31:06] EruditeHermit: wagnerrp, keeps crashing?
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[06:37:50] justinh: how many times must folks in here tell users that MythTV is far from an ideal way to archive home movies?
[06:38:05] justinh: for that you need a software *VCR*
[06:38:10] justinh: mythtv is NOT a VCR
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[06:50:06] Gumby: hi all. does anyone know if there is an android app out there that will allow me to use my phone as a frontend or at least watch recorded tv?
[06:50:16] Gumby: over the network of course
[06:50:51] wagnerrp: mythdroid?
[06:51:59] Gumby: isnt that a remote application? (works like a remote control)
[06:53:19] wagnerrp: i thought it did playback
[06:53:26] wagnerrp: it connects to the backend for some purpose
[06:53:43] Gumby: hrm, I'll have a look
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[07:01:16] justinh: I don't think there's any frontend type app for Android
[07:01:23] justinh: the only ones I've seen are remotes
[07:01:44] justinh: & both of them have the most unimaginative names conceivable. Meh
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[07:02:42] kormoc: justinh, you rather they call themselves Bob?
[07:03:00] Gumby: yeah, mythdroid is a remote as well
[07:03:24] ** wagnerrp prefers george **
[07:04:19] justinh: ok the names aren't as bad as some projects – say for KDE apps which just stuff the letter K at either end for effect
[07:05:23] justinh: but MythMote & MythDroid is yer whack for Android mythtv apps. You could possibly use flash streaming for some android devices – but not if yours uses an ARM6 CPU
[07:05:32] Gumby: only cool thing in mythdroid is that is seems to have the option to display text messages and calls on the TV. didnt work though when I tried it
[07:06:03] justinh: one of the apps I tried was pretty good at crashing mythfrontend
[07:06:24] justinh: and itself, so it got uninstalled pretty quick
[07:06:25] Gumby: flash works ok sometimes. problem is if the stream fails at any point you have to start from the beginning again. doesnt appear to be any seeking
[07:07:35] justinh: I frankly despair at using phones for 'cool' stuff like TV. I'd rather not have teevee than be stuck with a tiny, low bitrate stream
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[07:07:57] justinh: even as a remote I found the phone apps wanting
[07:08:48] Gumby: it'd be ok to use for scheduling a recording you've forgotten to schedule. a bit less clumsy than mythweb on a phone
[07:09:04] justinh: depends on which template you use ;)
[07:09:18] Gumby: which template do you recommend for a phone?
[07:09:25] justinh: heh MythDroid reckons.. as of its latest release: "Stream recordings and videos to the android device "
[07:09:47] Gumby: hrm, and where might that option be
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[07:10:31] justinh: hmm did I ever even try mythdroid? I think I might've given up after not being able to find it in the market
[07:11:16] Gumby: hrm, I just tried and if you long press a recording there is the option to play "whatever you have named your frontend" and "here"
[07:12:04] justinh: I assume "here" means on the phone
[07:12:13] Gumby: connection to 192.168.1.13:16546 refused
[07:12:22] Gumby: I'm guessing so too
[07:12:53] Gumby: hrm, nothing in the logs either
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[07:23:12] justinh: lol @ people referring to android apps in the marketplace 'ripping off' these GPL projects
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[08:10:57] justinh: okay this isn't funny. I was 'tasked' with making a box to cycle through alarm inputs on a system at regular intervals, which I've duly done. But now it appears it has to be capable of doing that on multiple machines at the same time, at different intervals & rates. I might lose my job today for speaking my mind
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[08:13:48] justinh: and to test said alarm test box.. hook it up to the machine.. start to configure it to enable the alarm inputs.. press MENU.. and it just hangs. Power cycle it, let it come back up, press MENU .. and it just hangs. Sigh
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[12:19:01] mycosys: i2c write failed issue is back
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[12:23:59] CyberKnet: xfs_repair failed to find a valid superblock.
[12:24:15] CyberKnet: anyone have any ideas for recovering this xfs partition?
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[12:34:36] justinh: prayer?
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[12:37:54] mycosys: downloading latest dvb
[12:37:59] mycosys: prayer sounds good
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[12:45:40] CyberKnet: I think even prayer may not be enough.
[12:45:44] CyberKnet: darn.
[12:46:08] CyberKnet: 800GB of video just gone :|
[12:46:48] justinh: never mind. all media you don't back up is disposable
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[12:47:32] CyberKnet: backing up 800GB of video does seem to present some challenges that are only able to be met by some pretty expensive hardware.
[12:47:40] mycosys: huh?????
[12:47:51] mycosys: a 1TB HDD for instance – all of $50
[12:48:41] mycosys: if you are out of sata ports a usb-sata cable with an external psu is all of $20
[12:48:44] justinh: losing all my video would be inconvenient, sure.. but I doubt I'd lose any sleep about it
[12:48:59] CyberKnet: well – I did have it mirrored for what I thought was that reason. But it clearly hasn't covered all eventualities.
[12:49:13] justinh: if you're a file hoarder, maybe you should think about RAID
[12:49:26] mycosys: WHY do people insist on thinking raid = backup?????????????
[12:49:29] mycosys: is moronic
[12:49:50] mycosys: periodic external backup is simple, reliable, and CHEAPER
[12:50:07] mycosys: do it – if you care about your data
[12:50:08] justinh: well cheap, if not just time consuming
[12:50:23] mycosys: depends what way you do it
[12:50:33] mycosys: rdiff is nice
[12:50:43] justinh: raid only really covers you for media failure anyway, not filesystems falling over
[12:50:54] CyberKnet: mycosys: perhaps because to some people raid 1 seemed to be exactly what you are describing except not periodical ... live.
[12:51:06] CyberKnet: moronic seems to be more than a little harsh.
[12:51:18] mycosys: media failure is pretty much the LEAST likely reason for failure
[12:51:20] justinh: raid won't stop you accidentally deleting stuff ;)
[12:51:36] mycosys: moronic is accurate
[12:51:56] justinh: ill informed, I'd say.. not moronic
[12:52:00] justinh: or unrealistic
[12:52:03] CyberKnet: I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion.
[12:52:12] CyberKnet: justinh: I'd say ill informed is accurate.
[12:52:16] mycosys: is a VERY common opinion
[12:52:29] mycosys: the very fact it is live is why it is a daft thing to do
[12:53:11] mycosys: the ONLY thing RAID is good for is reducing in a reliability sense downtime from media failure in case of a single disk fallover
[12:53:35] mycosys: *is downtime
[12:54:34] mycosys: the ONLY thing RAID is good for in a reliability sense is reducing in a reliability sense downtime from media failure in case of a single disk fallover
[12:54:37] mycosys: better lol
[12:54:43] mycosys: insterted at wrong point lol
[12:54:51] justinh: that's what she said
[12:55:04] mycosys: she was smart
[13:04:13] justinh: grr stupid Android phone. Now I've got more than the default apps installed it insists on asking me what to use to open everything
[13:04:56] justinh: you can set defaults, sure.. but er.. having to deal with file type associations on a phone is just lame
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[13:08:36] bance: Hi all
[13:09:31] justinh: no you can't use mythtv directly with virginmedia cable
[13:09:37] justinh: :P
[13:10:38] bance: Was here yesterday, asking about not beeing able to connect to my backend (OOOOH-ER)
[13:11:14] justinh: hmm never seen anyone here with that problem before
[13:11:37] justinh: oh wait. yes I have. About like a million times or so
[13:12:44] bance: anyway just had a thought and shut down the slave backend (So that the last defined tuner was on the MBE) :- Tried LiveTV and voila It works
[13:13:15] justinh: ah so maybe the slave backend didn't think it was a slave backend
[13:13:34] bance: Info on the problem is here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1712448
[13:13:46] justinh: ugh. ubuntu. forums
[13:14:15] bance: saves re writing it all
[13:14:28] justinh: yes but then we have to read stuff on a forum
[13:15:08] justinh: no static IPs? ouch
[13:15:22] bance: did a lot of googling etc couldn't find anything related
[13:15:39] bance: Am going to sort that
[13:15:42] justinh: AFAIK hostnames should work properly since ver 0.23 or so
[13:16:19] justinh: and FWIW the real config information is in the database not those config files
[13:16:38] bance: Well could it be that live TV wont work off a slave backend?
[13:16:45] justinh: the config files only help find the database where the nitty gritty info is
[13:16:49] justinh: nope
[13:17:19] bance: How can I access the config in the DB?
[13:17:27] justinh: your master backend in this case should be running, bound to the LAN ip address of the machine
[13:17:43] justinh: or hostname.. if you'
[13:17:48] justinh: if you've got DNS working
[13:18:05] justinh: or correct entries in /etc/hosts
[13:18:42] justinh: frontends, and slave backends, look in the database to find out where the master backend lives
[13:19:30] justinh: infact the master backend looks in the database to find out where the master lives too – and if that address/hostname matches its own... it knows it's the master
[13:20:24] bance: OK, So the DB knows where the MBE is.... because I just watched Live TV
[13:20:34] justinh: yeah I can see from your logs on that forum page your frontend is pointing at the wrong host
[13:20:43] justinh: Connecting to backend server: 192.168.10.3
[13:21:03] justinh: and the MBE log says Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: 192.168.10.2
[13:21:19] justinh: so unless your DB server is on a different machine, there's a big problem
[13:21:40] justinh: folk usually have the DB on the same machine as the MBE
[13:22:13] justinh: ruh? the slave BE is trying 192.168.10.2 ...
[13:22:31] bance: But if the last tuner was configured on the SBE shouldn't that be where the FE connects for Live TV?
[13:22:38] justinh: you need to go into mythtv-setup on the MBE, make sure all the details are correct – I'll assume they are since it all works when there's no slave
[13:22:58] justinh: then check mythtv-setup on the SBE & make sure it's pointing at the MBE
[13:23:13] justinh: there should be no more to it than that
[13:23:17] bance: It does from the logs
[13:23:36] justinh: so the MBE is 192.168.10.2 ?
[13:23:42] bance: Yes
[13:23:44] justinh: and is that where the database lives?
[13:23:49] bance: Yes
[13:24:07] justinh: right. verify every config.xml & mysql.txt file have the right data
[13:24:16] justinh: on the MBE, the SBE & your frontends
[13:24:23] bance: Did that
[13:25:35] CyberKnet: bbl
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[13:25:40] justinh: if your DHCP server is switching IPs between your machines it'll affect things quite gravely too
[13:26:09] justinh: you either need to have static IP addresses or working DNS on your network
[13:26:18] bance: How can I check that?
[13:26:43] justinh: your home router is probably acting as DHCP server
[13:26:56] justinh: dunno how short lease times on those generally are but it could be a factor
[13:27:18] justinh: just configure the IP addresses manually but make sure they're not in the range the router will dole out
[13:27:35] justinh: I wouldn't put off fixing that any longer
[13:28:58] justinh: btw I hope all the network is *wired*
[13:29:21] bance: How will the DB react if I change the Addresses........ I have a 4 port router then a 5 port switch then modem, all wired
[13:30:02] justinh: run mythtv-setup on the MBE. set both addresses to the LAN IP of the machine
[13:30:16] bance: I wouldn't mind taking the router out of the equation
[13:30:18] justinh: both as in, address of this backend, and address of the master backend
[13:31:20] justinh: that done, run mythtv-setup on the slave backend. then set the local backend address to the LAN IP of that machine
[13:31:35] justinh: and make sure to set the 'Master backend' address to.. the MBE IP address
[13:32:05] justinh: you have to make sure you go all the way to FINISH in the settings pages or the changes won't be stored
[13:32:43] bance: Thats exactly how I did it first time
[13:33:05] justinh: must've been something missing otherwise it would've just worked
[13:33:08] bance: except of course no static IP's
[13:33:52] justinh: and all this is assuming that the SBE's file access is correct.. and that it can use the tuner(s) you've configured ...
[13:34:15] bance: OK thank's for the help, will go try again with STATIC IP's
[13:34:46] bance: Yes storage groups set up tuners good
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[15:12:08] iamlindoro: Are people *really* surprised that when they call a video "1x01.avi" the title ends up wrong??
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[15:22:32] iamlindoro: I *knew* that if I started answering questions about mythvideo file name parsing/metadata fetching it would just lead to tears.
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[16:52:06] revmarkp: if anyone could help me on figuring out why I'm running out of recording space I'd be grateful. The issue has suddenly started now I'm making a few HD recordings... here's mythbackend -v file:
[16:52:38] revmarkp: ProgramInfo(): Updated pathname '':'' -> '12230_20110324164800.mpg'
[16:52:38] revmarkp: 2011-03–24 16:47:59.327 TVRec(23): ASK_RECORDING 23 0 0 0
[16:52:38] revmarkp: 2011-03–24 16:47:59.396 AutoExpire: Cardid 21: is starting a recording on an unknown fsID soon.
[16:52:38] revmarkp: 2011-03–24 16:47:59.396 AutoExpire: CalcParams()
[16:52:38] revmarkp: 2011-03–24 16:47:59.400 Cardid 21: max bitrate 162597 KB/min
[16:52:39] revmarkp: 2011-03–24 16:47:59.400 Maximal bitrate of busy encoders is 162597 KB/min
[16:52:39] revmarkp: 2011-03–24 16:47:59.400 fsID #1: Total: 682.9 GB Used: 682.9 GB Free: 0.0 GB
[16:52:40] revmarkp: 2011-03–24 16:47:59.400 Cardid 21: max bitrate 21679 Kb/sec, fsID 1 max is now 162597 KB/min
[16:52:40] revmarkp: 2011-03–24 16:47:59.400 Max of 162597 KB/min for fsID 1 is higher than the existing Max of 0 so we'll use this Max instead
[16:52:41] revmarkp: 2011-03–24 16:47:59.400 AutoExpire: CalcParams(): Max required Free Space: 3.0 GB w/freq: 14 min
[16:52:41] revmarkp: 2011-03–24 16:47:59.401 Started recording: Midsomer Murders "Midsomer Life (Part 1)": channel 12230 on cardid 21, sourceid 2
[16:52:42] revmarkp: 2011-03–24 16:47:59.860 TVRec(20): ASK_RECORDING 20 0 0 0
[16:52:42] revmarkp: 2011-03–24 16:48:00.169 TVRec(22): ASK_RECORDING 22 0 0 0
[16:52:43] revmarkp: 2011-03–24 16:48:00.411 Reschedule requested for id 0.
[16:53:03] Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o wagnerrp
[16:53:35] wagnerrp: are you done with spamming or is there more coming?
[16:54:41] revmarkp: so sorry, didn't realise those carriage returns would be in there? total noob to irc. how do I past logs?
[16:55:02] wagnerrp: use a pastebin, like pastebin.com... as is mentioned in the topic
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[17:01:23] revmarkp: ref my out of disk space comment (before my spam – sorry again) http://pastebin.com/BTzLQx4Q
[17:08:38] wagnerrp: mythtv will use up all disk you have available, before starting to autoexpire
[17:09:02] wagnerrp: if you do not have your recordings set to allow autoexpire, then you will be unable to continue recording
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[17:11:03] revmarkp: Thanks wagnerrp. auto expire was working OK (for many months), perhaps I need to adjust rate of autoexpire now i'm recording hd?
[17:11:32] wagnerrp: autoexpire should run every 15 minutes
[17:11:46] wagnerrp: with the default settings, it should work just fine with any content you may be recording with mythtv
[17:12:52] revmarkp: guess auto expire may not be my issue then, nothing in that dept. has changed...
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[18:55:46] sphery: revmarkp: Your problem is "2011-03–24 16:47:59.396 AutoExpire: Cardid 21: is starting a recording on an unknown fsID soon."
[18:56:06] sphery: revmarkp: are you running a backend that has no tuners?
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[19:26:24] sphery: kormoc: fwiw, a disturbing number of users are hard-coding include_path and/or tmpl or whatever, but I can't figure out what they're mis-configuring to make it not work properly.
[19:27:27] kormoc: Same
[19:27:36] kormoc: I honestly have no idea why it'd be failing
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[20:25:10] Seeker`: I've just upgraded to a GT430, and when playing back h264 content, I'm getting an awful lot of stuttering, along with video dropped because it was behind audio messages
[20:25:13] Seeker`: any hints?
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[20:37:37] Wicked: Seeker`, im not really sure...but i have a gtx260 and when using any of the VDPAU playback profiles...i also get alot of stuttering and pauses.
[20:38:10] wagnerrp: stuttering and pauses during VDPAU playback of h264 content usually indicates incompatible video formats
[20:38:12] Wicked: ive found that using non vdpau profiles help a bit for SD...but everything then does not look as nice...and forget about gpu decoding
[20:38:52] Seeker`: :/ trying to play back Apple film trailers atm
[20:38:54] Wicked: mine are mainly mpeg2 HD recorded off my stb via firewire
[20:38:57] Seeker`: @ 1080p
[20:39:38] Seeker`: hoping to get my bluray drive tomorrow so I can try some bluray content
[20:39:43] wagnerrp: the apple film trailers are only playable through quicktime, which does not use VDPAU
[20:40:47] Seeker`: ah
[20:40:54] Seeker`: is any .mov quicktime only?
[20:41:07] Seeker`: like, say, big buck bunny in h264?
[20:41:12] Seeker`: Or should that be a reasonable test?
[20:41:27] wagnerrp: those mov files available on the apple trailer site are not actual video files
[20:41:39] wagnerrp: they are just a few KB of text file, linking to the real video file
[20:41:47] wagnerrp: that can only be streamed by a apple product
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[20:42:33] sphery: or a browser with flash, right?
[20:42:45] Seeker`: wagnerrp: nah, you can download them using wget
[20:42:55] wagnerrp: something like bigbuckbunny which actually is a video file, can be played by mythtv with VDPAU
[20:43:03] sphery: Seeker`: no you can't, there are licenses and copyrights and terms of service
[20:43:03] wagnerrp: assuming the video was encoded in such a manner as to allow it
[20:43:30] Seeker`: sphery: ok, I should say that it is technolgically possible to do so
[20:43:36] wagnerrp: Seeker`: the options you have to use to get wget to access those files are sufficient indication that you are not allowed to access them
[20:44:36] Wicked: lol
[20:44:51] Wicked: either way he ended up with a video file that isnt playing properly.
[20:45:04] sphery: hmmm... seems that they don't allow watching via flash (at least for some)
[20:45:16] sphery: just popped up a dialog saying I need to install QuickTime
[20:45:25] sphery: however, this one has a download link
[20:45:43] Wicked: how about my recordings that are are not playing properly
[20:45:48] Wicked: or any livetv
[20:45:55] Wicked: when vdpau profiles are used?
[20:46:04] sphery: ah, the download downloads the reference
[20:46:09] Wicked: its one of those things on my "todo" list that always gets pushed back
[20:46:25] sphery: that would explain why the 201MB 1080p "download" completed before the download manager could be displayed
[20:47:03] sphery: so, yeah, definitely can't download trailer videos from Apple's service
[20:47:52] JEDIDIAH__: it's one thing to say that download helper exists in a grey area but wget? really...
[20:48:02] sphery: after all, why should you be able to watch an advertisement for a movie withough buying a Mac, an iPhone, an iPad and/or using Windows-based iTunes app
[20:48:18] sphery: JEDIDIAH__: wget doesn't kill copyright, people do
[20:48:23] Wicked: how about my own recordings that stutter and pause?
[20:48:27] sphery: we're saying that using wget to download the video is illegal
[20:48:43] JEDIDIAH__: wget just accesses that which the "owners" have made accessable.
[20:48:57] sphery: JEDIDIAH__: you're not going to win this conversation
[20:49:00] Wicked: i feel like we should move on from the trailer download aspect....
[20:49:09] Seeker`: Wicked++
[20:49:11] sphery: talk to the judges, US Copyright office, policy makers, etc.
[20:49:13] Wicked: we established the facts and we should move on
[20:49:24] Wicked: lets not turn this into a debate on copyright and legality
[20:49:27] sphery: this isn't the forum
[20:49:39] Wicked: lets get to the real issue of why the videos stutter and so on.
[20:49:50] Wicked: :)
[20:49:55] sphery: Wicked: anyway, not sure why you'd have a problem with VDPAU unless your playback profile(s) is misconfigured
[20:50:04] sphery: have you tried with VDPAU Slim?
[20:50:11] Wicked: sphery, ive tried all the pre-made ones and i also tried making my own
[20:50:17] Wicked: all stutter
[20:50:24] Beirdo: stupid anti-root beer people at work :)
[20:50:54] Beirdo: they removed the root beer from the one slot it was in in the *4* soda machines
[20:51:00] Wicked: the only ones that do not constantely stutter are non vdpau ones....but then i lose hw accel and the osd's dont look good
[20:51:09] Beirdo: and put a second chute of... Diet Mt. Dew
[20:51:16] Beirdo: which nobody drinks
[20:51:18] Wicked: mt.dew for life!
[20:51:23] Wicked: (not diet)
[20:51:29] Beirdo: exactly
[20:51:33] Beirdo: Diet, schmiet
[20:51:39] Beirdo: I want my root beer!
[20:51:44] Wicked: lol
[20:52:02] sphery: Wicked: try an OpenGL-rendered playback profile
[20:52:09] sphery: see if it has problems, too
[20:52:16] Beirdo: I will be formulating an email to the facility folks.
[20:53:05] JEDIDIAH__: don't want it talked about then don't bring it up or be shocked when people disagree with you or your arrogance.
[20:53:41] Wicked: hmm....also recently mythfrontend has been taking a long long time to start up.
[20:53:45] Wicked: ~1–2 mins
[20:53:55] Wicked: it loads the background...but no menus or anything show up
[20:54:55] Wicked: sphery, is there a opengl profile you would recomend?
[20:54:58] Wicked: or do i need to make my own?
[20:55:00] Beirdo: and now there's a conference call in an office... with the door open... on speaker phone.
[20:55:05] Beirdo: time for headphones :)
[20:56:03] Captain_Murdoch: time not for headphones, make them wish they had closed the door. :)
[20:56:20] Beirdo: hehe, it's an executive VP type...
[20:56:32] Beirdo: may not be the best career move
[20:57:52] sphery: Wicked: I don't think there's a pre-configured one in 0.24-fixes... don't remember if one was added to unstable
[20:58:04] Wicked: so i made a new profile: if rez > 0 0 & > 0 0 -> ffmpeg& opengl ...not getting stuttering
[20:58:17] Wicked: but i have no VDPAU for my HD stuff
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[20:58:58] wagnerrp: the other explanation for stuttering would be using too fast of a deinterlacer
[20:59:11] wagnerrp: such as a 2x filter, on a display that does not actually run that fast
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[20:59:35] Wicked: well...if i watch the recordings outside mythtv....they playback smoothly with VDPAU.
[20:59:48] Wicked: so im not exactly sure where in mythtv i would set that wagnerrp
[20:59:59] Wicked: or why it would set that for me
[21:00:24] JEDIDIAH__: gotta check your decoding profiles and see what your interlacers are set to.
[21:00:38] Wicked: are those in a different location then playback profiles?
[21:00:55] sphery: second screen of playback profile configuration
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[21:01:23] Wicked: let me see if i can make my own vdpau profile
[21:01:28] Wicked: and tweak that page
[21:01:46] Wicked: im not familar with this stuff at all...is there a recomended best?
[21:02:53] Wicked: like i live in usa...and my hd content is 1080i
[21:03:03] Wicked: so i need a deinterlacer...
[21:03:19] wagnerrp: what card?
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[21:04:16] Wicked: gtx260
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[21:04:30] wagnerrp: then you should have enough power to use whatever you want
[21:04:34] Wicked: ok
[21:04:38] wagnerrp: just make sure you arent using any filter labeled '2x'
[21:04:41] Wicked: i did advanced(1x)
[21:04:48] Wicked: ok. so nothing 2x
[21:05:06] wagnerrp: nothing 2x, if the display speed is actually your issue
[21:05:14] Seeker`: ooh, big buck bunny and sintel work fine
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[21:05:52] iamlindoro: Those videos are at tragically low bitrate-- they're not much of a test of anything
[21:05:55] Wicked: it seems better....not skipping as much. but i did get one or two skips in the 1–2 mins i watched of soem 1080i video
[21:06:17] Wicked: iamlindoro, even the full on big buck bunny ones?
[21:06:28] Wicked: not the ones you stream...but the ones you download
[21:06:39] wagnerrp: the highest bitrate i saw of bigbuckbunny was 8mbps
[21:06:52] Wicked: i thought they where much higher
[21:07:38] iamlindoro: wagnerrp is correct, and that's peak, not average
[21:08:09] Wicked: advanced x2 def has more skipping
[21:08:32] Wicked: just out of curiousity...is there a good free legal test video?
[21:08:35] iamlindoro: Those samples are also not interlaced
[21:08:42] Wicked: like something creative commons or w/e
[21:08:47] iamlindoro: And thus what deinterlacer you choose is moot, you're imaging the differences
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[21:08:54] iamlindoro: er imagining
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[21:09:49] Seeker`: iamlindoro: what would you suggest to test the system properly then?
[21:10:14] wagnerrp: looks like the 700MB 1080p version available on their side averages 9.3mbps
[21:10:27] wagnerrp: still, thats about a third what you could expect from bluray
[21:10:59] iamlindoro: Since you're only going to have to deinterlace content you record, just record from the beefiest channel offered by your broadcaster
[21:11:08] iamlindoro: which may require some experimentation and time
[21:11:31] Wicked: Seeker`, for what its worth...i made my own profile...used > 0 0 > 0 0 and vdpau for everthing and chose advanced 1x for the main deinterlacer and temporial 1x for fallback....playback seems to be better...have not thoroughly tested it
[21:12:10] Seeker`: iamlindoro: I'm hoping to manage bluray playback next week, drive hasn't arrived yet though
[21:12:26] iamlindoro: 99.99% of all Blu-ray is progressive
[21:12:33] JEDIDIAH__: bluray playback generally doesn't have the problem of interlacing.
[21:12:39] iamlindoro: if you are using VDPAU, any Blu-ray content should play without issue
[21:16:20] Wicked: when does the fallback deinterlacer get used?
[21:16:23] Wicked: if ever?
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[21:24:18] Wicked: if im watching livetv and want to record the currently watched show...i just hit "r" right?
[21:24:26] Wicked: i dont need then hit r
[21:24:29] Wicked: ?
[21:26:43] Seeker`: Wicked: I believe you just hit r to record
[21:27:05] jams: r is all you need
[21:27:08] Wicked: yea. i think so too
[21:27:10] Seeker`: hmm, is there a way of getting mkv subtitles to play? I've tried extracting them to a .srt file, and I still get nothing when playing it back
[21:27:22] Wicked: i just wanted to make sure before i exited out of livetv
[21:27:44] jams: if you bring up the guide it should say "recording"
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[21:29:12] Wicked: jams, yea
[21:29:19] Wicked: i looks like it is recording :)
[21:29:22] Wicked: *it
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[21:29:51] Wicked: Seeker`, make sure that the filename and the subtitle file name match
[21:30:03] Wicked: and then i think you need to toggle it via the menu(hit m)
[21:30:14] Wicked: though it may auto select it
[21:30:24] sphery: Wicked: when you hit r, did it break your episode in 2? As described http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9687
[21:30:27] Wicked: i dont really watch alot of movies with subtitles.
[21:30:43] Wicked: i hope not hehe...as i hit r a few times
[21:30:53] Wicked: and it went from "recording" to cancel recording
[21:30:55] Seeker`: Wicked: no option to toggle it in the menu. And the filenames do match
[21:31:10] Wicked: hmm
[21:31:18] sphery: it's not supposed to, and the described behavior seems like something we'd have to /try/ to do, so was just looking for confirmation that it's doing that
[21:31:20] Wicked: its been a long time since ive tried to use subtitles
[21:31:27] Wicked: sphery, let me check
[21:31:41] sphery: Seeker`: if not in the menu, then it's not being seen as a valid subtitle file
[21:32:24] sphery: meaning it's either an unsupported format (such as text-based whatever we don't support) or it's just not seeing the file
[21:32:31] Wicked: sphery, it seems to be in the same video file
[21:32:58] sphery: Wicked: oh, wait, nvm... yours is different
[21:33:09] sphery: forgot, his is when the "wants to record" popup appears
[21:33:11] Wicked: btw im still using 0.23-fixes
[21:33:17] Wicked: ah k
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[21:39:11] wagnerrp: Seeker`: 0.24 should support embedded text subtitles in mkvs, but the preferred method is still to pull the bitmapped subs out of the source, rather than waste the time OCRing them, or otherwise grabbing the closed caption feed
[21:39:54] Seeker`: sphery: what formats are supported?
[21:40:20] Seeker`: These subtitles are S_TEXT/ASS
[21:40:33] wagnerrp: ass should work fine
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[21:42:09] Wicked: that could be quoted out of context hehe
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[21:43:44] Seeker`: wagnerrp: so I need filename.mkv and filename.ass?
[21:44:16] wagnerrp: no, only .srt external subs will work
[21:44:26] wagnerrp: but i believe mythtv will render internal srt and ass subs
[21:44:42] wagnerrp: however as mentioned, the preferred method is to just display the internal bitmapped subs
[21:44:50] wagnerrp: much less effort for all involved
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[23:17:46] Wicked: are hdpvr's ok to buy used or are they kinda known to go bad over time?
[23:18:25] Wicked: like the xbox360's are notorious for having heating issues and buying them used it a huge gamble.
[23:18:55] CyberKnet: sorry. work called me away.
[23:19:00] CyberKnet: can't mount xfs partition.
[23:19:05] Wicked: im looking around on ebay and see a used one and the guy is asking 125$ + shipping.
[23:19:08] CyberKnet: (bad magic number apparently)
[23:19:22] CyberKnet: couldn't find superblock.
[23:19:32] CyberKnet: tried to run xfs_repair and it indicated it couldn't find a secondary superblock.
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[23:34:42] CyberKnet: bbiaf
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[23:44:45] CyberKnet: had to connect to a VPN temporarily that disables all other network access while connected. fun times.
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