Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, March 23rd, 2011, 00:03 UTC

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wagnerrp:

ffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.............

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** wagnerrp apparently just bumped the power button his UPS **

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wagnerrp:

fat lot of good redundant power does you when you disconnect it

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mag0o:

lol

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drkdrgn3k:

when im trying to access recordings i get

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drkdrgn3k:

2011-03–22 21:35:20.523 MythCoreContext: Connecting to backend server: 192.168.40.200:6543 (try 1 of 1)

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drkdrgn3k:

2011-03–22 21:35:27.525 MythSocket(24696a0:48): readStringList: Error, timed out after 7000 ms.

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drkdrgn3k:

2011-03–22 21:35:27.525 Protocol version check failure.

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drkdrgn3k:

any ideas?

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wagnerrp:

known issue, no known solution

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wagnerrp:

restart your backend if it persists

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drkdrgn3k:

kk

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drkdrgn3k:

last time i think i fixed it removing entries from the database..

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drkdrgn3k:

this time restartbackend fixe

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drkdrgn3k:

thanx

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iamlindoro:

The HBO Game of Thrones coming up next month looks sooooo goooood

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iamlindoro:

This guy won't quit

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wagnerrp:

im debating emailing him directly, for the contents of his capturecard table

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: i do agree thats almost certain what is going on

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wagnerrp:

in multiple other instances, people have assured me they were not using IPs

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wagnerrp:

only to find IPs in those fields when they opened mythtv-setup back up

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iamlindoro:

Let moses come to the mountain

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iamlindoro:

I already asked him to go to the users list, and he just opened another ticket

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iamlindoro:

still, if you want to move the mountain to moses, be my guest ;)

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wagnerrp:

just, as in another beyond the one 15 minutes ago?

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iamlindoro:

He opened a lengthy one a few hours ago with "problem one, problem two, problem three" in it

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iamlindoro:

of the three, only his dupe of the HDHR ticket was a vlid bug, and that one was a dupe

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wagnerrp:

right, using a junk email last time

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wagnerrp:

of course, that makes me wonder if this one is another junk email

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iamlindoro:

It's written in the same rambling style, and it's the same issue, so I'd guess yes

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** wagnerrp doesnt know what mooses have to do with a mountain, but at least theyre not in a room **

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iamlindoro:

There we go, finally on the list

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iamlindoro:

Now you can get his capturecard table ;)

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wagnerrp:

that looks familiar

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

didn't post the requested logs, though

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wagnerrp:

'you see that bit under the videodevice column where it says 192.168.1.104?'

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iamlindoro:

Did I miss a reply?

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wagnerrp:

no

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iamlindoro:

ah, anticipated

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wagnerrp:

actually, i screwed up, its not going to work

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wagnerrp:

forgot to quote the mysql command

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wagnerrp:

is GENERIC_EXIT_SIGNALLED the same as segfaulting?

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iamlindoro:

not that I'm aware

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iamlindoro:

GENERIC_EXIT_SIGNALLED sounds like exiting cleanly

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wagnerrp:

fancy that, he is using the device id

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Chat9042:

hey yall

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Bop:

hello , anyone around ?

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Guest14536:

Quick question, running mythtv 0.24 (mythbuntu ppa) and i have been having trouble with channel changes, it does not seem to change to the correct channel. Immediately I thought IR blaster but after extensive tests, it seems to work perfectly. It only messes up when changing channel for a scheduled recording. It changes channels perfectly on live tv. How to I diagnose this problem?

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Bop:

have some issues u would like it solved with mythTv

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Bop:

first , how do u up do down volume ?

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Bop:

first , how do u up and down volume ?

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Guest14536:

Hey Bop, are you asking?

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Bop:

yeah

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Bop:

u know how to mute , and up and down with the volume ?

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Guest14536:

Change the mixer setting in the general settings for the front end so it in controlling the volume

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Bop:

mmnm

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Guest14536:

I know that is vague but every set up is different

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Bop:

mythtv-setup ?

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Guest14536:

no, in the frontend

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Guest14536:

it needs to be set up for each front end

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Guest14536:

what distro

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Guest14536:

how is the audio connect (stereo, optical, hdmi)

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Bop:

i just want to up and low volume

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Bop:

there must be some shortcut keys for volume

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Guest14536:

do you have a remote setup

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Bop:

i dont have remote receiver

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Bop:

just keyboard

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Guest14536:

http://www.keyxl.com/aaa3626/343/MythTV-keyboard-shortcuts.htm

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Bop:

i see

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Bop:

F9 , F10 , F11

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Bop:

doesnt work

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Bop:

it says in OSD

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Bop:

but nothing happens :s

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Guest14536:

does it say volume up/volume down on the osd

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Bop:

Guest14536, yeah , F9 , F10

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[R]:

FSCK YEAH

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[R]:

TRUTV HD

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[R]:

omg... are they serious... moving all the channels... aholes

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wagnerrp:

omg... youre surrounded by aholes

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

its weird, cuz it says effective march 31st

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[R]:

so i guess they are trying to give everyone advanced warning

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[R]:

that they are gonna purposely piss everyone off

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** [R] REALLY hopes his channel change script can handle 4 digits **

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wagnerrp:

i think someone over at <your cable provider> is a major

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wagnerrp:

he probably has a cousin named phillip

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wagnerrp:

[R]: you could throw raspberry jam at their offices

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[R]:

wagnerrp: lol

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kc:

Nah, there is only one man who would dare give them the raspberry

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wagnerrp:

watch out for that closeup

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Guest14536:

Anyone have a minute to help me with a problem?

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[R]:

you need to ask a question before anyone can know if they can help

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Guest14536:

Quick question, running mythtv 0.24 (mythbuntu ppa) and i have been having trouble with channel changes, it does not seem to change to the correct channel. Immediately I thought IR blaster but after extensive tests, it seems to work perfectly. It only messes up when changing channel for a scheduled recording. It changes channels perfectly on live tv. How to I diagnose this problem?

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Guest14536:

Thanks R

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[R]:

what does the backend log say

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Guest14536:

it has a start recording on channel 1422 with I assume means tuner one, channel 422

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Guest14536:

no errors

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wagnerrp:

channel 1422 is channel 1422

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wagnerrp:

which is completely different from chanid 1442

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wagnerrp:

*1422

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wagnerrp:

chanid is some internal descriptor initially based off the tuner id and physical channel

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wagnerrp:

but is just an id for convenience in the code

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wagnerrp:

it is not an id that the user is ever supposed to see or use

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Guest14536:

I understand, thanks wagnerrp

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Guest14536:

but instead it recorded channel 436

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wagnerrp:

chanid 1422 may very well be channel 436

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Guest14536:

Channel 436 was the last channel that was scheduled to record last night, it seems to be delayed by one

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Guest14536:

I will check

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Guest14536:

wagnerrp: how do I verify the chanid

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Guest14536:

can that only be done from mysql?

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wagnerrp:

that shouldnt be necessary

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Guest14536:

Would you like me to post the excerpt from my backend log

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wagnerrp:

it cant hurt

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Guest14536:

what is the name of the site that I can post to again, sorry, I have not done this in a long time, mythtv always just worked for me

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wagnerrp:

pastebin.com

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GTswagger:

mythfilldatabase's default Sch.Dir. stopped working (slowwwwwwwwww to the point of 21 minute timeouts), so I switched to xmltv based Sch.Dir.

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GTswagger:

But now my channel listing is screwing, going 110 ... 111.... 119... 11... 120 ...

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GTswagger:

there a way to fix that?

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GTswagger:

s/screwing/screwy/

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wagnerrp:

use 'mythfilldatabase --dd-grab-all'

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Guest14536:

Here it is: http://pastebin.com/bzMXZy0b

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GTswagger:

wagnerrp: Thanks ... giving it a run now

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GTswagger:

wagnerrp: Didn't work. Even when I added --refresh-all ... and each channel has like a duplicate entry

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GTswagger:

For example:

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GTswagger:

132 FBN SC // 132 FB

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GTswagger:

that's in the same row of the guide

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Guest14536:

wagnerrp: Verified, chanid 1422 corresponds to channum 422, which is the correct channel. It actually tuned to chanid 1436. The only thing I can think of is the channel change signal was not sent or it is somehow tuning to the wrong channel. The backend log does not mention any tuning problems?

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Guest14536:

The last_record for chanid 1436 does not indicate that it was recorded this evening, the last_record for 1422 indicates tonight (but 1436 was actually recorded). Does that mean that the channel change script might "sometmes" not be running? The database and backend log consistently seem to indicate that myth thought that it was tuned to 1422 (which it was not). Do you think it would be beneficial to post my channel change script?

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justinh:

unfortunately although a channel change script must successfully *run* for the recorder to work (AFAIK) – there's no way to actually verify that whatever it's intended to control responded correctly

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justinh:

IR blasting is a one-way operation :P

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justinh:

actually so is firewire channel changing

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justinh:

in your position I'd likely be inclined to do some extensive testing of the channel change script. By that I mean take myth out of the equation – according to your logs it *seems* to be working fine – and get the changing script repeatedly kicking the TV box onto a different channel & observe what happens

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Guest14536:

Ok, thanks justinh, It work perfectly for livetv but does not work for scheduled recordings

[07:39:01]

clever:

i have a webcam strapped to my STB, to verify what channel its on and re-blast

[07:39:12]

clever:

though the software needs more work, it gets alot of false errors

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justinh:

clever: LOL that's one way to verify it

[07:39:43]

clever:

the changer script turns into a daemon, so mythbackend isnt kept waiting

[07:39:45]

justinh:

camera on the STB display, OCR... :P

[07:39:58]

clever:

the 'font' is too huge for most ocr software

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justinh:

you could do pattern recognition

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Guest14536:

that is smart, just sure some pattern reg

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clever:

so i have a DB of images, for every channel, and then just use imagemagick to count the different pixels

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clever:

however, the brightness changes, and the width of each segment can flare up

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justinh:

maybe you need to process the webcam image some ;)

[07:41:12]

clever:

it was a horid brown on brown image to start with

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Guest14536:

ahhhhh, a neural net would work well at that

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clever:

http://gallery.earthtools.ca/channel/shot.png is after my current processing

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Guest14536:

or maybe if not normalized the image somehow

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clever:

http://gallery.earthtools.ca/channel/60.mistake.png is a typical error, the red pixels dont match against the old image

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Guest14536:

oh ok

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justinh:

clever: maybe do region checking instead

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clever:

yeah, that might be better

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clever:

but its just a bash script right now, it cant handle very complex image stuff

[07:43:12]

clever:

i should try something with php and gd maybe

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justinh:

though if it was *my* STB (i.e. I owned it) I'd be more inclined to modify it to bring the display signals out :P

[07:43:35]

clever:

yeah, i could do that too, ive got the hardware for it

[07:43:57]

clever:

but if i was to go that far, id skip IR blasting, hard-wire a uC into the IR input socket

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Guest14536:

or perhaps just a compute the difference and compare it a threshold

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clever:

Guest14536: i am, but in that case, the difference was 2119 pixels

[07:44:46]

clever:

and the threshold is 900

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clever:

http://gallery.earthtools.ca/index.py/channel/47.mistake.png when its on the wrong channel, i get 13146!

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Guest14536:

ahhh, got it

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justinh:

smart, but not quite smart enough :)

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clever:

hmmm, maybe if i just up the threshold to 2500

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justinh:

what we used to do at a contract manufacturer I worked for – who for their sins landed a big set top box order – all the boards went through ATE & we needed a way to test the display that was operator proof

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justinh:

so we put a stack of fibre optic sensors on the ATE rig, aimed at the display segments & LEDs

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Guest14536:

see what the difference is between an 8 and a 9, that is only one segment of the display different and should give you an upped limit to your threshold

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justinh:

worked brilliantly but it'd have a pretty low WAF in yer livingroom :P

[07:48:25]

clever:

Guest14536: yeah, give me a sec to snap both images

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clever:

justinh: its in a closset

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justinh:

heh

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clever:

and the way it is now, even sunlight or the main lamp would upset it

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Guest14536:

hahaha

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clever:

its also got alignment issues

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clever:

if i bump the camera at all, every image fails to match

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justinh:

so you'll need 14 fibres.. maybe 16 if it's 2.5 digit display.. and phototransistors :D

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clever:

so i have to whipe the db and restart

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Guest14536:

it would, you can place a reference point, but then the processing gets a bit more complicated

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wagnerrp:

why not use a splitter, and video capture off the video output?

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clever:

wagnerrp: it would be 'simpler' to spy on mythtv's mpg recordings, and ocr directly from the OSD

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clever:

no extra hardware

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clever:

but then it means starting capture before the channel changes, to make sure the osd is caught

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clever:

and its alot higher res image to deal with

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wagnerrp:

or you have independent changers for each input

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wagnerrp:

such that each changer knows what tuner to use

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clever:

only one capture card

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justinh:

those photonics sensors were mondo expensive though http://www.optomisticproducts.com/

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wagnerrp:

and just grabs an image straight off the tuner before mythtv locks it

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clever:

Guest14536: ok, i have 8&9

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Guest14536:

hahaha, my cheap ass set top box does not even have a channel display just a few status lights

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clever:

lol

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Guest14536:

cool, what is the difference

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clever:

3386

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clever:

http://gallery.earthtools.ca/channel/89test.png

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clever:

it also had some flar around the edges

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justinh:

Guest14536: eh? Not even a crappy 7-seg LED? Man, that's lame

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clever:

mines got 3.5 digits atleast, it somehow wound up in clock-mode again

[07:55:12]

clever:

though the script is fast enough that i never noticed until i opened the door

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clever:

let me grab an example pre-processing

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Guest14536:

ok, so if i am thinking this though right, that would be the smallest change to indicate a valid detection

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clever:

Guest14536: yep

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clever:

so 2500 is an ok threshold

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justinh:

closet or no closet it'd probably be a better idea to mask off the display & camera combo

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clever:

http://gallery.earthtools.ca/channel/example.jpg is before processing

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Guest14536:

I would use 2/3 or half that value as my threshold

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clever:

3386 is a single segment off, 2100 is just the flare from brightness changes

[07:58:13]

clever:

have a look at the example.jpg to see how bad the color is

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Guest14536:

start with half, the flaring might have made the value artificially high

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Guest14536:

did the single segment also has some brightness change

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

ouch, http://gallery.earthtools.ca/channel/89test.png is 2033 pixels off

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clever:

less then the flare from a correct image

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Guest14536:

that is the subtraction

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clever:

it would be better if i can mark a line, and say if the segment is on/off if over 80% of that line is filled

[08:03:04]

Guest14536:

I would say the 3386 is a pretty good reference, it looked pretty clean

[08:03:13]

Guest14536:

what do you mean by mark a line

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clever:

draw a line over all 7 segments

[08:03:37]

clever:

then just read each segment seperately

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Guest14536:

yeah, an 8

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Guest14536:

and compare 8's to see how high of a difference you can get

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clever:

if it knew where the segments where, it could read them directly, and see what channel its actualy on

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Guest14536:

they are usually pretty simple 3 pin binary chips

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Guest14536:

just detect the voltages

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clever:

yeah, if i cracked it open and looked for the BCD chip, i could read it directly

[08:06:04]

clever:

i do know its multi-plexing the display

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Guest14536:

well that make it easy

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justinh:

well yeah, of course.. means they only need a few output bits instead of nDigits * 7 ;-)

[08:07:27]

Guest14536:

just need a way to read those values

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clever:

if it was using binary coded decimal, it would be 3 pins plus 4 enables

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Guest14536:

i mean capture the voltage

[08:08:29]

clever:

hmmm, not enough pins on my second uC, 6 IO lines on it

[08:08:45]

clever:

ah nvm, just bearly enough

[08:08:49]

justinh:

shift register ftw :P

[08:08:59]

clever:

i could cheat and only use one digit enable

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clever:

aslong as the freq is predictable

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Guest14536:

that sound about right it has been a long time since i worked with low level digital stuff

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clever:

justinh: trying to do it without having to buy more chips

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clever:

ok, whens the next gap in scheduled recordings

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Guest14536:

for the image method, i would try threshold values between 2400–2900

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Guest14536:

maybe 2800

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clever:

the lowest diff between 8&9 was 2000

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clever:

so it can miss an entire segment and not know it

[08:12:20]

clever:

schedule is free till 10pm!

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Guest14536:

Oh ok, I thought that was 3300

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clever:

Guest14536: that was one segment plus flare

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Guest14536:

was 2100 just flare

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Guest14536:

or just segment

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clever:

2100 was flare alone on a correct image

[08:14:13]

clever:

2000 for a single segment off with no flare

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Guest14536:

hahaha, so it cant be done then

[08:14:41]

Guest14536:

single segment < possible flare

[08:14:42]

clever:

depends mostly on what channels i actualy use

[08:14:49]

clever:

7/8 are never captured

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Guest14536:

clever: So do you have channel changing problems as well

[08:16:03]

clever:

it sometimes drops a digit

[08:16:16]

clever:

crude serial port blaster

[08:16:24]

clever:

ir led and diode

[08:16:32]

clever:

and resistor

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Guest14536:

ahhh, would it help to increase the break in the script between the digits

[08:17:48]

clever:

na, i think its glithes in the software generated 38khz carrier

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Guest14536:

I have not built a blaster

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clever:

hmmm, display isnt on the main board

[08:19:12]

clever:

must be a daughter board in the front

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Guest14536:

Yeah, that could be, I have always had good luck with those microsoft blasters, not as much fun as building, but worked reliably for years, until 0.24

[08:20:30]

clever:

yep, security screws on the back

[08:20:54]

clever:

mine worked fine for years also, until i did a ubuntu kernel upgrade

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clever:

now lirc refuses to even compile and when it does, it dont work

[08:21:12]

clever:

had to jam the old .ko and kernel back in

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Guest14536:

oh wow, sounds messy

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clever:

another upgrade before that, broke ivtv i believe

[08:22:34]

clever:

every upgrade breaks something

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Guest14536:

maybe that is my problem as well, but mine works awesome in livetv, just tunes to the wrong channels (sometimes) for scheduled recordings

[08:23:42]

justinh:

Guest14536: as I said in your position I'd be testing the heck out of the blasting setup right now

[08:24:03]

justinh:

once the channel change script returns, mythbackend will *think* it was successful

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clever:

hook a tv up and blast it 50 times

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justinh:

I don't think it's very likely that mythbackend would be recording the *wrong* channel – i.e. the recording was scheduled to be from chanid 1432 & the recorded file had a chanid of 1654

[08:25:52]

justinh:

unless your database was completely borked... but even then...

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clever:

update channels set channum = 5;

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clever:

now every chanid is channel 5!

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clever:

justinh: unauthorized tampering modifying or altering in any way may subject you to civil or criminal penalties!

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Guest14536:

I have done that, it works in live tv, it works if i run the script directly, I done that many times. No recordings. I will go blast it 50 times and see if I can get mess up, brb

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justinh:

clever: of course

[08:29:13]

clever:

ok, i'll just say i didnt see the giant red sticker:P

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justinh:

that's why I said "if I *owned* the STB"

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clever:

we are renting 2 and own one

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clever:

one screw down, 2 to go

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clever:

2 down!

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clever:

3 down!!

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justinh:

wow what are you using to take the screws out.. a butter knife? :-O

[08:43:12]

wagnerrp:

a tube sock, a paper clip, three rubber bands, and a chicken

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clever:

pliers

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clever:

they are security screws

[08:43:35]

clever:

temper resistant

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wagnerrp:

surely the screws arent temper resistant

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justinh:

speaking of which.. seen the new apple gear screws? lol

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clever:

ok, front panel is fully off

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clever:

daughter board out

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clever:

buttons, led's, 2 IC's, and a ton of passives

[08:50:26]

clever:

lol

[08:50:31]

clever:

board revision is from 98

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justinh:

that's what she said

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clever:

odd, it has a broadcom chip

[08:54:05]

clever:

thats usualy networking

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clever:

internal cable modem?

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justinh:

broadcom make all kinds of ICs

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clever:

and that PSU connector, looks oddly similar to a motherboard one

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justinh:

hey, maybe it's closer to a PC than you first thought. Hmm, maybe it's running linux already! Whoah – put mythfrontend on it! :P

[09:02:18]

clever:

:P

[09:02:37]

clever:

i googled the part numbers for the IC's on the daughter board

[09:02:45]

clever:

sliding compound miter saw....

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clever:

not even close:P

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clever:

lol, the part number shows up in a hex dump, of a rootkit i found last week

[09:05:56]

clever:

and that japanese hit result, was for the html color code, 05ff41

[09:06:30]

clever:

LS07 – HEX BUFFERS/DRIVERS WITH OPEN-COLLECTOR HIGH-VOLTAGE OUTPUTS – Texas Instruments

[09:06:34]

clever:

that looks better

[09:10:04]

clever:

justinh: nope, not a BCD chip at all

[09:10:24]

clever:

looks to simply be for driving the led's, if its led related at all

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justinh:

it's a hex buffer with open collector outputs..

[09:11:13]

justinh:

so yeah it could be used for driving LEDs

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justinh:

or for the multiplexing

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clever:

but its not doing any decoding

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justinh:

chances are the displays are common anode or cathode.. more likely anode...

[09:12:19]

clever:

its a pair of identical modules, each can do 8.8.

[09:12:31]

clever:

one is inverted, so the . from 2 modules forms the : for time

[09:13:13]

clever:

too cheap to get a proper clock module:P

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Guest14536:

Ok, I am back, I did 500+ channel changes and only had 1 or 2 that have not worked correct

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clever:

so thats a .4% chance of failure

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justinh:

unacceptable odds :)

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Guest14536:

haha, I would say around there

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justinh:

depending on whether you want the channel to record that you actually set to record.. or not ;)

[09:14:42]

Guest14536:

I will try switching out my ir transmitter

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clever:

18 pins per module

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Guest14536:

the problem is for scheduled recordings it fails over 50% of the time

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clever:

8.8. is 16 segments

[09:16:05]

clever:

so yep, its clearly got atleast common cathod/anode

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justinh:

Guest14536: is it a simple IR emitter on a PC port or something?

[09:16:56]

justinh:

Guest14536: or is it a micro-based blaster on USB ?

[09:17:15]

Guest14536:

mirco-based blaster on USB

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justinh:

hmmm so it's not likely to be a load/timing issue then

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Guest14536:

I have played with the script timings, I think they work really, well. I do not have any problems in livetv

[09:19:14]

clever:

justinh: 2 ways i can go now, either tap into the daughter board and spy on its signals

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clever:

or replace the daughter

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Guest14536:

is there any feedback from the daughterboard, like the power switch

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clever:

Guest14536: every single button and the IR sensor

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clever:

however, i could just hard-wire the blaster into that ir sensor pin, thru an open collector transistor

[09:27:45]

clever:

IR codes can also turn it on, so power button is 'optional'

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Guest14536:

hummm, will not fix the frequency issue

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clever:

the IR sensor on the front detects the 38khz carrier wave and outputs either gnd or nothing, i can see a pullup resistor on it

[09:31:02]

clever:

so if i just tell lirc its a hardware generated carrier, it will output the raw signal

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clever:

i should probly google the led module and see how its wired

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Guest14536:

Ok guys, I think I gotta crash, good luck with the hacking, last thoughts on how to diagnose/approach my problem. I just want it to record, haha

[09:37:29]

clever:

justinh: aha!, the e segment of all 4 digits is wired together

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justinh:

gah, our new thing – because the system is so darn inadequate – is to put a network switch inside the machine & hook up the video codec cards to the internal switch

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clever:

one of the machines my dad works on, has a fancy bracket inside it, to hold a simple 6 port network switch

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clever:

twice now, the psu in that switch has failed, and all it does is output 5v

[09:41:34]

clever:

it would be simpler to hard-wire it to another 5v bus in the cabnet and solve it once and for all

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justinh:

and muggins here has to make 8 cables for a demo machine with Molex picoblade connectors

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clever:

justinh: just removing the plastic on the front has made the digits a good deal brighter

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Saviq:

hi all, I'm getting duplicate recordings (in upcoming in both mythweb and mythfrontend) from power searches, regardless of duplicate detection settings, is that expected?

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justinh:

that depends

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Saviq:

my power search is a simple "program.category like '%something%'"

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justinh:

think somebody else was talking about this with regard to custom recording rules the other day

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justinh:

it's not *supposed* to happen AFAIK

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Saviq:

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justinh:

so?

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justinh:

age doesn't guarantee anybody looked at it

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messerting:

Hey, the (for me) new feature of providing a screenshot on the remote screen in mythweb is very nice!

[11:45:08]

messerting:

Any Maemo (Nokia N900) remote control app available? :)

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justinh:

I thought it was all about the iToys & Android now

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mycosys:

pretty sure i saw one when i was lookin for one for symbian

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messerting:

Ok, will search.

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justinh:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=nokia+n900+mythtv

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messerting:

And yes, I think maemo will die. Unfortunate. But why would Nokia/Microsoft continue the project?

[11:52:53]

messerting:

justinh: hehe, thanks...

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messerting:

but it would always be nice to actually talk with someone that have tried it

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justinh:

yeah surely *somebody* still owns a nokia phone.. other than you :P

[11:56:13]

justinh:

mind, the novelty of using my phone to control a frontend died after about 5 seconds

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justinh:

it was way easier just to use a remote

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messerting:

yes, it could be the "can be done, must be done" in me that is kicking in

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messerting:

But for browsing music, and controlling the playback, it would be more powerful than a simple remote

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justinh:

if the android version ain't I very much doubt a maemo app would be

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messerting:

agreed

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justinh:

although, if my only 'real' remote was an Apple 6-button affair.. ROFLMAO

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justinh:

*then* a smartphone app would provide a superior experience. lol

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Hoxzer:

messerting: qtirreco.

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Hoxzer:

somebody evenn managed to install and run mythfrontend v0.23

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Hoxzer:

on N900

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justinh:

somebody was certainly certifiable

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Hoxzer:

he posted screens and also provided a guide

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messerting:

Hoxzer: thanks

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justinh:

Hoxzer: that doesn't mean it's a good idea :P

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Hoxzer:

Agreed :(

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Jay2k1:

i have a weird problem. for some time now, i'm unable to watch three HD channels which I could before. a few other HD channels work fine.

[12:29:13]

Jay2k1:

mythbuntu 10.10, mythtv 0.24-fixes, dvb-c pci card

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Jay2k1:

these three channels I cannot watch anymore are all in the same transponder

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Jay2k1:

when I switch to them, the HDD led flickers regularly, as if I was watching actual content

[12:30:15]

Jay2k1:

but I just get a black screen, and it says "partial lock", and TLMs instead of TLMS

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Jay2k1:

I've already talked to my cable provider, but they say, if it's only one frequency somewhere in the middle that doesn't work, it can hardly be their fault, which sounds reasonable

[12:31:42]

justinh:

maybe they changed something in the broadcast – as they regularly do

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Jay2k1:

since I have a CRT tv, i rarely watch HD channels, so I'm unable to say when this started, but I recently upgraded from 0.23-fixes to 0.24-fixes

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Jay2k1:

and the new mythbuntu

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justinh:

cable companies are always doing stuff like that, which is often completely transparent to users with STBs

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Jay2k1:

upgraded as in reinstalled and then importing the SQL dump

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Jay2k1:

yeah, the problem is, I don't have one, so I cannot check whether it's the cable or the myth box

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justinh:

so try a rescan

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Jay2k1:

I guess I should get one from a friend or so

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Jay2k1:

well, I did

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Jay2k1:

i also scanned to a file with both w_scan and (dvb)scan

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Jay2k1:

nothing changed

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Jay2k1:

frequency, modulation, symbol rate, inversion, nothing changed

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justinh:

serviceid ?

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justinh:

you should look in the backend log for more clues too

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Jay2k1:

yeah I know, that's the first place to look

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Jay2k1:

service ID...

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Jay2k1:

well I don't know which field it is, but since I also did a full rescan with the myth internal scanner, which also led to nothing, I believe it is the same as well

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justinh:

you can also try the 'zap' program – e.g. czap -c ".conffilename" -r & cat /dev/dvb/adapterX/dvr0 to a file – then try playing the resultant file

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Jay2k1:

so zap tunes to the program i take it

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justinh:

the channel

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justinh:

not the program

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Jay2k1:

yeah sure

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Jay2k1:

the program is then chosen by the service id i guess

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justinh:

aye

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Jay2k1:

still used to using the terms from analog times

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justinh:

oh yeah czap -c "conffilename" "channelname" -r

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Jay2k1:

although the multiplex model is so handy :)

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justinh:

you need to look into how digital TV actually works. It's kinda mind boggling

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justinh:

the signals themselves are essentially pseudo-random noise

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Jay2k1:

i bet it's quite interesting

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Jay2k1:

as far as I know, it's basically multiple programs per frequency

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Jay2k1:

which are MPEG2 transport streams

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justinh:

there's a main transport stream & everything else is carried on that

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Jay2k1:

all programs? so when I record and get a .ts, actually that contains, say, four programs?

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justinh:

generally the whole stream can be accessed by software

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messerting:

Jay2k1: Back when I was so lucky to have DVB-C in my house (digital TV), I typically had five programs per freq.

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justinh:

tzap, mythtv etc filters out the ones it wants

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messerting:

Pretty neat, 'cause then I was able to record up to five programs at the same time, using only one capture card

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Jay2k1:

yeah I have four, on -c as well as -t

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Jay2k1:

i have a -c and a -t card so it's 8 channels max

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** justinh has 3 tuners, all dvb-t **

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justinh:

tested 10 recordings from one tuner when multirec hit trunk

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messerting:

I wish I still had dvb, now I'm locked down with encrypted IPTV...

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Jay2k1:

the quality is not as good and there's no DD on dvb-t here, that's why I bought the cable card

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Jay2k1:

they always say "presented in dolby digital 5.1" but they never say "but only on dvb-c and -s"

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Jay2k1:

oh god

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Jay2k1:

the PAT lists all PIDs for all PMTs in the stream

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Jay2k1:

i'll try to read myself into DVB when I have some more time :)

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toeb:

mh suddenly jamu is broken: http://pastebin.com/wbkw8Qkh

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toeb:

at first it could not find the imdb.py, so i removed the configuration for movies-secondary-sources ...

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toeb:

i'm using the ebuilds from git.... any ideas?

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skd5aner:

toeb: that's a known issue

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skd5aner:

toeb: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/467219#467219

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skd5aner:

^fix is there

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skd5aner:

also – here http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9637

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skd5aner:

!seen RDV_linux

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MythLogBot:

RDV_linux was last seen 38 days 6 hours 14 minutes 21 seconds ago

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skd5aner:

I guess he doesn't hang out here anymore :(

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wagnerrp:

friggen squirrels

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wagnerrp:

one of them scampered across the power lines, jumped on the transformer, and shorted itself across the contacts

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wagnerrp:

lying dead on the ground 30' below, leaving me with no power for several hours

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padeekins:

Hello, everybody?

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toeb:

skd5aner: this does not work for me :-(

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toeb:

http://pastebin.com/rphDApXE

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wagnerrp:

what tv show?

[17:04:56]

toeb:

Now processing video file (The.Big.Bang.Theory.S03E01.The.Electric.Can.Opener.Fluctuation.PROPER.HDTV.XviD -FQM)(3)(1)

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wagnerrp:

well theres your problem

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wagnerrp:

we dont support FQM releases

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toeb:

wagnerrp: so? this is just a file name...

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wagnerrp:

no, this is a 'we will not help you with any problems you incur with such sourced files'

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padeekins:

I'm having a devil of a time getting a Hauppauge hvr850 model 1200 card to work with myth... any advice is welcome

[17:08:15]

wagnerrp:

padeekins: do you have a /dev/dvb/adapter0 ?

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padeekins:

I'm going to assume, no, but how would I check?\

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wagnerrp:

open a terminal, 'ls /dev/dvb'

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bance:

hi all

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padeekins:

I've got nothing

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padeekins:

Although, I had a DVB device working, but got the 850 for analog

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wagnerrp:

then you should exchange it for something designed to do analog

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wagnerrp:

the 850 is a framegrabber

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wagnerrp:

and while you /can/ use it for analog, you really dont want to

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wagnerrp:

do you need a USB device, or can you use PCI/PCIe?

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padeekins:

I've seen forums, where other people have gotten it working with Analog

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wagnerrp:

correct, you can use it with analog, but you dont want to

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padeekins:

I can use PCI, my mother board is too old for PCIe

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sphery:

padeekins: working does not mean working well/does not imply it's the right tool for the job

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wagnerrp:

its fine, and actually ideal, for direct viewing

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wagnerrp:

but mythtv does not do direct viewing

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wagnerrp:

it records everything

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sphery:

I completely agree with wagnerrp ... You want a hardware encoder card for analog

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wagnerrp:

and since it is a framegrabber, mythtv must compress all that video on its own, in software, on the fly

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wagnerrp:

if you have free PCI slots, you can pick up used PVR-150s and PVR-500s fairly inexpensively on ebay

[17:12:58]

wagnerrp:

say $20 for a 150, $45 for a 500

[17:13:05]

wagnerrp:

the 500 is basically two 150s on a single board

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padeekins:

I sure hope, I'm within the return date... Is there anything newer that I could grab at frt's that will work?

[17:13:13]

wagnerrp:

since you are using analog, this is for analog cable?

[17:13:22]

wagnerrp:

if you want a new product, the only one that would work is the HVR-1600

[17:13:29]

padeekins:

It's for my directv

[17:13:31]

wagnerrp:

and its a bit more expensive, ~$80

[17:13:42]

wagnerrp:

so youre going to be doing analog capture off your DTV box?

[17:13:59]

skd5aner:

HD-PVR

[17:13:59]

padeekins:

That's what I would like to do

[17:14:14]

wagnerrp:

if you want to record HD, then the HDPVR is the only option at current

[17:14:22]

padeekins:

actually, I'd like to use the mythtv backend, but embed the video stream into webkit gtk

[17:14:26]

wagnerrp:

but any of the 150/500/1600 will work for standard definition

[17:14:28]

JEDIDIAH__:

While not cheap, the HD-PVR will do SD recordings and it will save them in h264. That's very handy actually.

[17:14:44]

JEDIDIAH__:

...plus it records HD too.

[17:14:49]

padeekins:

I was looking at that, but 200 is steap for me at the moment

[17:14:52]

sphery:

very handy since hard disk drives are so expensive

[17:14:53]

sphery:

?

[17:15:12]

wagnerrp:

very handy if he intends to stream it through a web page

[17:15:14]

JEDIDIAH__:

Yes. 8TB drives are expensive.

[17:15:26]

sphery:

I mean, 2TB HDDs cost all of $70, and that /only/ stores 1000hrs of standard-def MPEG-2

[17:15:30]

JEDIDIAH__:

Well, they probably woudl be if they existed.

[17:15:31]

wagnerrp:

since flash and webkit both handle h264 directly

[17:15:48]

skd5aner:

sphery: surprisingly enough – some of us don't have any more space for HDs and feel bad throwing out 750GB ones ;)

[17:15:49]

wagnerrp:

but mpeg2 off an IVTV card would require transcoding

[17:16:15]

JEDIDIAH__:

talking about "hours" is a dicey business when broadcast stations aren't terribly efficient in how they use bandwidth.

[17:16:20]

skd5aner:

and by "us" – I probably only mean "me" :)

[17:16:42]

sphery:

skd5aner: well, IMHO, buying a $200 capture device so you don't have to replace a 750GB HDD with a $70 2TB HDD is a losing proposition, but...

[17:16:50]

skd5aner:

touche!

[17:16:56]

bance:

I've got a problem with LiveTV, I posted on mythbuntu forums http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1712448 Anybody able to help

[17:16:57]

sphery:

(OK, maybe it's more like $140 or whatever... still > $70)

[17:17:17]

sphery:

as far as replacing... I always have plenty of systems to roll old hard drives down to

[17:17:37]

skd5aner:

but, I do get what JEDIDIAH is saying – as a bonus of the HDPVR, it can also record SD more efficently than an analog MPEG2 encoder card – just another + in the column

[17:17:53]

sphery:

and, fortunately, I have enough HDD failures that I can keep up with higher capacity drives

[17:18:00]

wagnerrp:

right, just not worth it for 10x the cost of a -150

[17:18:07]

padeekins:

Does anyone in here have a HDPVR?

[17:18:20]

JEDIDIAH__:

I have 2

[17:18:20]

sphery:

skd5aner: btw, which distro are you using?

[17:18:26]

sphery:

Ubuntu 10.04?

[17:18:33]

skd5aner:

I'm counting the number of HDDs sitting on my desk right now... 12

[17:18:35]

padeekins:

Was it really plug and play?

[17:18:43]

skd5aner:

I have 12 HDDs just sitting here – most are under 250GB though

[17:18:46]

JEDIDIAH__:

PVR-150 cards would not fit into any of my recording boxes.

[17:18:47]

padeekins:

Im on maverick 1010

[17:18:58]

skd5aner:

sphery: 10.10, server edition

[17:19:07]

sphery:

jp abq in #mythtv just noticed the "Upgraded to Fedora 14 (or for some users Ubuntu 10.10), and now have a lot of HD-PVR failures"

[17:19:16]

sphery:

does yours lock up and/or lock up the backend?

[17:19:26]

skd5aner:

sphery: keep all that extra stuff of my boxes by running server instead of desktop

[17:19:35]

wagnerrp:

bance: what IP address is your master backend?

[17:19:44]

skd5aner:

sphery: re: lockup – me?

[17:19:48]

sphery:

yeah

[17:19:56]

wagnerrp:

nevermind, its on there

[17:20:02]

padeekins:

Also, can you control mythtv recordings through bash scripting?

[17:20:02]

bance:

192.168.10.2

[17:20:04]

skd5aner:

does my HD-PVR lock up my backend?

[17:20:08]

sphery:

I'm thinking something upgraded between 10.04 and 10.10 causes problems

[17:20:32]

sphery:

skd5aner: yeah, or lock itself up, resulting in 0B/missing recording files

[17:21:30]

sphery:

bance: you're using a too-old version of MythTV for Live TV to work...

[17:21:44]

sphery:

bance: you need to upgrade: http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

[17:21:48]

skd5aner:

The only issue I have with my HD-PVR where it causes any kind of "glitches" is when I'm playing back something on my combined FE/SBE containing the HD-PVR... and the HD-PVR starts to record something, the playback will often stop for a few seconds, like it's blocking/locking until the recorder gets a locked signal or something

[17:22:32]

skd5aner:

That can be a little annoying – but haven't seen any specific system/mythtv locks that I would related to the HDPVR – pretty stable from that point of view

[17:22:39]

sphery:

skd5aner: yeah, that's "normal" with 0.24+ and all tuner types

[17:23:01]

JEDIDIAH__:

I will have to try that with my combo fe/be box to see if I can't replicate that. Is your combo box a master or a slave be?

[17:23:41]

sphery:

skd5aner: interesting, though... would be useful for you to post an "I upgraded to 10.10 /server/ and don't see problems... Perhaps it's some difference between standard and server editions?" to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1687846

[17:23:41]

skd5aner:

sphery: just in case I was a little to ambigious – I'm talking about watching a previously recorded show – and something else entirely starts to record in the background

[17:23:43]

bance:

<sphery> didn't want to break anything .... But did anyway

[17:23:46]

JEDIDIAH__:

Yeah... I see SBE. Mine is a Revo. Probably bound to be glitchy. Fortunately it doesn't get much use as a frontend.

[17:23:55]

skd5aner:

not like in live tv, where it takes a while to lock the tuner in

[17:24:50]

sphery:

bance: ah, I see you're on 0.23-fixes... It turns out MythTV 0.24-fixes after February 11th is the most-stable-for-Live-TV-usage version of MythTV in a /very/ long time

[17:25:02]

JEDIDIAH__:

It's a shame that the HD-PVR doesn't work like the HDHR.

[17:25:05]

skd5aner:

have to run, be back later

[17:25:27]

padeekins:

Jedidiah? Are you using the HDPVR's IR Blaster... Do you know how it stacks up against commandIR?

[17:25:28]

sphery:

skd5aner: yeah, playback glitches on new recording start is normal post 0.24

[17:25:57]

sphery:

skd5aner: it even happens when the backend is remote from the frontend... and, like you said, even when playing pre-recorded

[17:26:34]

padeekins:

I'm looking at it from a simplicity of setup angle

[17:28:20]

JEDIDIAH__:

I use serial control (USB) for channel changing.

[17:29:12]

bance:

If I can get my problems sorted maybe I will take the plunge

[17:29:55]

padeekins:

cool, I appreciate the input, I'm within my return policy, so the HDPVR will only cost me an additional $100. Cheers. Thanks for the help.

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skd5aner:

sphery: cool – I thought you probably meant that, but wanted to ensure I wasn't confusing subjects

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skd5aner:

sphery: if it has happened, I definitely don't remember it happening, and definitely not in the last 2 months

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skd5aner:

er – I have had some system locks last month – but can't say I thought it was beause of the HD-PVR at the time

[17:47:51]

skd5aner:

as far as recordings – I used to get 0-byte recordings a lot, prior to 0.24, but havne't gotten any in several months

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sphery:

skd5aner: yeah, it's just one more data point... right now, we have no real idea what's causing it, but as jp abq mentioned, it happens with or without mythtv involved, so it's unlikely to be mythtv's fault

[17:49:16]

skd5aner:

happy to give my experience – I'll keep a more watchful eye out for related symptoms

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bance:

sphery: Do you think that upgrading will resolve my problems?

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sphery:

bance: I'm thinking that wagnerrp's stuff is the immediate problem... the upgrade may make live tv more useful, once you get it working

[18:16:30]

sphery:

bance: i.e. your frontend is trying to connect to a master backend at 192.168.10.3 and your remote backend is trying to connect to a master backend at 192.168.10.2, so something is messed up in your config

[18:17:01]

sphery:

ah, or is .2 your remote backend?

[18:17:27]

sphery:

still, looks like an issue

[18:18:07]

sphery:

but both remote backend and frontend are having problems connecting/staying connected to the master backend

[18:18:35]

sphery:

also, we don't support tunerless backends, so it's possible that's part of the problem

[18:18:47]

sphery:

(we will, eventually, but don't now)

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bance:

sphery: both backends have tuners.... everything else works, MBE finnished a recording an hour ago

[18:33:22]

bance:

sphery: I've been connected to both backends remotely all day

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bance:

sphery: frontend is trying to connect to SBE because thats where the last tuner was defined

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bance:

I thought that might be the problem..... and added the HVR4000 dvbT tuner but myth doesn't like it, so I had to delete it again. I suppose I could flatten the whole lot again tomorrow and try a different combination.

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Jay2k1:

hey justinh, I'm back at home and had a look at the backend log concerning my few not working HD channels I talked about earlier today

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Jay2k1:

http://pastebin.com/tGs2h5JM

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Jay2k1:

it seems to me they f*cked up something with the PMT

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obruT:

mythtv sux big time, it's so braindamaged that even I that am using it for a long time just had a nervous breakdown because of it

[20:41:06]

wagnerrp:

did you come here for assistance, or to just make disparaging remarks?

[20:42:14]

kormoc:

Disparaging remarks!

[20:42:38]

kormoc:

and he can't even speak english well enough to say them right

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devinheitmueller:

Yay, let's bash MythTV!

[20:44:37]

kormoc:

I figure if it gives the brain damaged folks nervous breakdowns, it's doing it's job

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devinheitmueller:

I had this tuner thing with a remote control, and I couldn't get it to work properly under Linix. Stupid MythTV developers not providing the best experience for free!

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** wagnerrp starts playing Ghetto Boys **

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wagnerrp:

anyone got a bat?

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wagnerrp:

WTF, office space was interlaced?

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karl__:

hi, i seem to have a serious problem with mythtv, could someone please look at my log ?

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karl__:

http://pastebin.com/bAZG7bWS

[20:56:30]

karl__:

myth version: Version: 0.24+fixes20110225–0.1

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wagnerrp:

thats not a valid version

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karl__:

thats the version in christian marillats debian-multimedia repository

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wagnerrp:

is that what you get when you run 'mythbackend --version'?

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wagnerrp:

the real version should probably be v0.24-189-ge0a7720

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karl__:

http://pastebin.com/WFsQFcMv

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karl__:

here is output of mythbackend --version

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wagnerrp:

he needs to fix his build scripts to properly add the version string

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karl__:

i can try to relay that

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karl__:

any idea what my problem could be ?

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wagnerrp:

what resolution/bitrate are these recordings?

[21:00:06]

wagnerrp:

what processor are you trying to play these on?

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karl__:

cpuinfo: http://pastebin.com/Cr4PU5Xk

[21:01:57]

karl__:

not exactly sure about the resolution, but its normal tv in austria

[21:02:07]

karl__:

mplayer gives the following on the files in /live/

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karl__:

VIDEO MPEG2(pid=5020) AUDIO A52(pid=5023) SUB Teletext(pid=5025) PROGRAM N. 1

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karl__:

VIDEO: MPEG2 720x576 (aspect 3) 25.000 fps 4300.0 kbps (537.5 kbyte/s)

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wagnerrp:

dual core something, so its at least 1.8GHz, and not the 1GHz listed in your cpuinfo

[21:02:49]

wagnerrp:

any dual core athlon should have plenty of power for standard definition mpeg2

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karl__:

yep, dual core, dont know the speed by heart, but it should be the fastest 45 watt processor

[21:03:31]

karl__:

on am2 platform

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skd5aner:

damn it feels good to be a gangsta (late on the reference reply)

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sphery:

AMD CPU family 15, model 107, stepping 2 is the AMD Athlon(tm) Dual Core Processor 5050e

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karl__:

root is on a onyx 32gb ssd, /live/ is on another hdd on a separate controller

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sphery:

should be fine for high-definition MPEG-2

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karl__:

i have moved root to the hdd and /live/ to ssd

[21:05:04]

karl__:

i have had both on the same ssd, root on usb-stick

[21:05:18]

karl__:

its always the same, the problem persists

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karl__:

myth uses quite a lot of cpu on my debian box, actually its X, i presume because of the nuoveau driver

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wagnerrp:

wait, you have an SSD, but youre booting off a USB stick?

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karl__:

i tried all combinations, i used to have root on usb and 4x1tb disks for files

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karl__:

so the computer is quiet when idel

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karl__:

s/idel/idle/g

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ape66_:

Hi. I've problems when creating dvds. I tray to select video files. The format is mkv. When i select archive items the file size is wrong. Where can I look ?

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karl__:

then it skipped so i bought ssd

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karl__:

then i had root and /live/ on ssd, it skipped

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karl__:

so i moved /live/ to hdd, it skipped

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wagnerrp:

where is your database stored?

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sphery:

karl__: what playback profile group are you using? Looks like you should be using Slim

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karl__:

on root

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wagnerrp:

and you should be using the nvidia driver, not the nouveau driver

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karl__:

i know, i just dislike proprietary stuff...

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karl__:

profile group ?

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sphery:

karl__: mythfrontend Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings|Playback, 3rd screen

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wagnerrp:

dislike it or not, you really dont have a choice

[21:08:27]

ape66_:

Hi. I've problems when creating dvds.

[21:08:29]

skd5aner:

well... nouveau driver doesn't really compete with the proprietary driver – at all really

[21:08:35]

ape66_:

I tray to select video files. The format is mkv.

[21:08:42]

ape66_:

When i select archive items the file size is wrong.

[21:08:50]

ape66_:

I can't find anything in the 2 logfiles.

[21:08:55]

ape66_:

Where can I look ?

[21:08:57]

karl__:

sphery: what does that mean/change ?

[21:09:11]

sphery:

karl__: it determines how mythtv draws the video and OSD

[21:09:13]

karl__:

wagnerrp: but nuoveau can not be the reason for the skipping can it ?

[21:09:19]

kormoc:

karl__, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Playback_profiles# . . . ult_settings

[21:09:27]

kormoc:

karl__, sure could be

[21:09:31]

skd5aner:

karl__: during playback? of course it could

[21:09:49]

sphery:

karl__: if you have any chance of getting nouveau working, it's with Slim

[21:10:05]

karl__:

ok, now going to try to find slim

[21:10:05]

devinheitmueller:

karl__: the nouveau driver is very poorly optimized for video playback. It may very well drag your system to a crawl.

[21:10:20]

sphery:

karl__: but you'll have /much/ better luck with nvidia's proprietary drivers

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** justinh chuckles **

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skd5aner:

karl__: using nuoveau because of the principle of it, on a media device, is simply a religious battle that's going to put you through hell for no apparent gain other than to say you did it

[21:10:58]

devinheitmueller:

karl__: Install the nvidia proprietary driver. If the problem still occurs, then ask for more help here. Otherwise, you're wasting everybody's time with a pretty much doomed configuration.

[21:11:04]

karl__:

ok, i will take a backup of my system and install the nvidia drivers, lets see if that changes stuff

[21:11:06]

sphery:

skd5aner: when philosophy meets the real world

[21:11:20]

justinh:

how can you be the technical lead at an IT outsourcing company & not be able to understand a very simple error message about audio configuration when trying to play music in mythtv? :P

[21:11:36]

sphery:

karl__: try Slim, too--even with nvidia proprietary drivers, you want Slim

[21:11:45]

** sphery bets you have CPU++ **

[21:11:48]

kormoc:

justinh, the whole point of a computer is so you don't have to think anymore, uh duh!

[21:11:49]

skd5aner:

It's not like using the propietary drivers requires you to denounce your God

[21:12:03]

karl__:

will do, thanks for the help. Did never think about the video driver as it seems to be a hdd issue

[21:12:05]

sphery:

skd5aner: unless, of course, your god is RMS

[21:12:24]

justinh:

skd5aner: nah there's a simple choice. you can either use the OSS driver – or you can have video playback

[21:12:30]

karl__:

well, i'd rather waste a few cpu cycles than use proprietary stuff

[21:12:35]

skd5aner:

Stalin, er.... Stallman

[21:13:00]

kormoc:

Those who exchange software freedom for performance deserve neither but alas, they get the performance...

[21:13:00]

wagnerrp:

karl__: its not about wasting cpu cycles, it simply wont have the throughput to work

[21:13:01]

sphery:

justinh: but video wants to be Free!

[21:13:11]

sphery:

(as opposed to how the thieves claim video wants to be free)

[21:13:13]

wagnerrp:

think of it like using MESA versus hardware OpenGL

[21:13:17]

skd5aner:

karl__: maybe for some content – but not any of the more modern codecs

[21:13:22]

devinheitmueller:

karl__: it *may* be possible to come up with a configuration that works with the FOSS driver, but I definitely wouldn't start there. Get a working configuration, *then* optimize.

[21:13:30]

wagnerrp:

even with sufficient CPU power, youre still going to get poor choppy video

[21:13:57]

karl__:

and you dont think its a disk problem, my log specifically states "waited 10 sec for data" and so on

[21:13:57]

justinh:

we've seen people using OSS video drivers who can't even play SDTV in mpeg2 with very modern CPUs

[21:14:19]

sphery:

karl__: FWIW, I'm a big fan of Free-as-in-Freedom, but I still use the nvidia proprietary drivers for my mythtv boxes

[21:14:19]

wagnerrp:

likely not, considering youre only dealing with half a MB/s

[21:14:44]

karl__:

ok, will try thanks for the help, i will report back if it works

[21:14:44]

sphery:

anything else just isn't worth the effort, and I want video playback today--not "someday, if all goes well"

[21:14:49]

skd5aner:

If this was #ubuntu and you were begging to avoid the nvidia drivers because yo uwanted to use your 2d desktop to edit spreadsheets – that'd be one thing, but that's like saying you want a stock porche, but don't want to fuel it with gasoline because you don't believe in fossil fuel or drilling for oil

[21:15:09]

** justinh makes a flyer about HCL's technical lead not even being able to make mythtv work – so that's some indication of their coding chops.. lol **

[21:15:25]

karl__:

i wonder why the free driver is so bad

[21:15:33]

skd5aner:

your porche is going to suck if you try to make it run on anything except high octane gasoline (or petrol for justinh :) )

[21:15:42]

kormoc:

karl__, it is suspicious, but quick test would be dd if=/mnt/hdd1/live/11101_20110322184013.mpg of=/dev/null bs=32K

[21:15:43]

wagnerrp:

because of how much time nvidia spends on their drivers to make it good

[21:15:44]

justinh:

karl__: because it can't do scaling & colorspace conversion on the hardware

[21:15:48]

sphery:

karl__: lack of information, resources, developer time, motivated developers

[21:15:52]

kormoc:

karl__, let it run and it'll tell you how fast it's reading

[21:15:55]

skd5aner:

karl__: because it's completely reversed engineered, no documentation for them to go off of, and it's just a volunteer project

[21:15:58]

wagnerrp:

writing drivers is not an easy prospect

[21:16:07]

devinheitmueller:

karl__: their time/energy is invested in making it work *at all* under Linux.

[21:16:10]

kormoc:

just ask devinheitmueller

[21:16:24]

sphery:

especially not easy for extremely-complicated hardware, like modern video cards

[21:16:29]

karl__:

hmm, i donate money to quite a few oss projects, maybe i should drop some bucks to nuoveau

[21:16:30]

skd5aner:

btw – just to be clear, the porche == mythtv in that example :D

[21:16:45]

justinh:

heck even the manufacturers themselves have enough problems making drivers that work :P

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kormoc:

skd5aner, and here I thought the proche was vdr... ;)

[21:17:09]

justinh:

I mean look at ATI.. sheesh

[21:17:10]

skd5aner:

karl__: ask yourself this... what world problem is nuoveau trying to solve for?

[21:17:14]

devinheitmueller:

Just look at Intel – they have a whole team of Linux developers working on their graphics drivers, and they still perform pretty poorly.

[21:17:24]

devinheitmueller:

(and those guys are being paid to work on it full time)

[21:17:29]

justinh:

devinheitmueller: abysmally I'd say :-(

[21:17:39]

skd5aner:

karl__: and is it something to /really/ stand behind to the point you'd want to dump money into it because the alternative is /that/ wrong/bad/not suitable?

[21:17:41]

justinh:

devinheitmueller: for modern hardware, they don't do well at all

[21:18:16]

kormoc:

skd5aner, meh. let him be. it's a very noble goal, just not matched to yours

[21:18:23]

justinh:

when the choice is between free & working.. I always choose working

[21:18:43]

skd5aner:

I mean, nuoveau has been trying for years... and they basically have a very basic implementation – nothing that touches the optimization that nvidia puts into their driver

[21:18:44]

karl__:

i choose free as long at i can live with the shortcomings

[21:18:48]

justinh:

if there's only free or non-free to decide – i.e. both work as well for what I want to do – of course I choose free

[21:19:17]

skd5aner:

karl__: free as in speech I assume

[21:19:23]

skd5aner:

(not as in beer)

[21:19:25]

justinh:

karl__: I doubt you're gonna get nice results. many of us have been there before

[21:19:30]

karl__:

sure free as in speech

[21:19:32]

devinheitmueller:

nouveau has come a long way. It's good enough for general desktop use, which is a huge accomplishment. But it just isn't optimized at all for video playback, which is *much* harder to do.

[21:19:37]

kormoc:

skd5aner, but I'm free to speak to my beer!

[21:19:55]

skd5aner:

kormoc: yea, and if you drink enough – it might even reply! :D

[21:20:23]

karl__:

in recent times i go for intel video cards, they perform nice for everything i need

[21:20:33]

karl__:

and are well supported

[21:20:49]

karl__:

anyway, me goes to install nvidia drivers

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skd5aner:

devinheitmueller: I just would assume by the time they get close to where nvidia is now with their driver, it won't matter because we'll be 7 years in the future, on new hardware, with new codecs, and new acceleration techniques/requirements :)

[21:21:01]

wagnerrp:

except only the on-chip stuff with the recent core-i line is going to have enough opengl performance for mythtv

[21:21:20]

wagnerrp:

the older GMA stuff is too underpowered

[21:21:25]

devinheitmueller:

skd5aner: you are likely correct.

[21:21:39]

karl__:

lrecommendations on the nvidia driver version ?

[21:21:41]

skd5aner:

karl__: sorry, I'm not trying to pick on you – I just think this is one of the (few) arguements that makes sense – in this specific use-case (a media center/dvr)

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wagnerrp:

karl__: what card do you have?

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skd5aner:

er, that "doesn't" make sense that is

[21:22:20]

Seeker`:

damn, my mythtv box has just started randomly rebooting

[21:22:48]

karl__:

aah, i dont actually know, any linux command to find out ?

[21:23:03]

wagnerrp:

lspci

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karl__:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G73 [GeForce 7300 GT] (rev a1)

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skd5aner:

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skd5aner:

flaunt it a little more next time some pour pizza delivery guy comes to your front door

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justinh:

the liberal in me says that guy got what was coming

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skd5aner:

"thank you for the pizza, do you take gold bullion – it's the only thing I have in my pockets right now

[21:31:14]

skd5aner:

justinh: I would say the both did

[21:31:26]

justinh:

heh yeah there is that

[21:31:43]

skd5aner:

the victim and the... susp... uh, other victim

[21:32:10]

justinh:

still love to know how you guys end up bastardising the word 'burgle' into 'burglarize' lol

[21:32:17]

sphery:

the G73 has an Xv adaptor "#

[21:32:18]

sphery:

2011-03–23 09:13:11.007 VideoOutputXv: XVideo Adaptor Name: 'NV40 texture adapter'

[21:32:22]

sphery:

???

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skd5aner:

I don't know – but I do like th way "burgle" sounds way better

[21:32:41]

sphery:

NV40 was GF6x00, wasn't it?

[21:32:57]

justinh:

skd5aner: cos you don't say burglarizer you say burglar, no? ;)

[21:33:35]

skd5aner:

Well, I wasn't the one who came up with, or deviated from, the Queen's English

[21:33:38]

skd5aner:

:)

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sphery:

and, sounding similar to burgle, I was impressed the other day when a show I was watching showed, "(water burbling)" when describing the audio

[21:35:41]

sphery:

er, the "burbling" is similar in sound, not "I"... /me needs to fix his modifiers

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sphery:

as bad as when people say, "Luckily, I remembered to check the calendar," or, "Hopefully he went to the store."

[21:37:14]

sphery:

(how do you know he was hopeful on his trip to the store?)

[21:37:25]

justinh:

ugh. what is it about dyndns emailing me regularly to say my account is going to expire.. I thought I had a client updating it

[21:37:48]

justinh:

sphery: but not as bad as folks using the wrong 'their'

[21:38:38]

skd5aner:

I find myself accidently doing that from time to time, even though it bugs me as well

[21:38:48]

skd5aner:

usually there/their

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sphery:

justinh: they e-mail if you don't update within X days... The default for ddclient is to update at X+Y days... so you need to fix ddclient's update frequency

[21:39:00]

skd5aner:

just my fingers think a different way than my brain sometimes

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skd5aner:

AP news story saying "tears are a sexual turnoff" – well DERRRRRRRRRR

[21:40:27]

sphery:

justinh: in ddclient.conf, add max-interval=28d

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justinh:

skd5aner: oh I dunno.. MUHAHAHAHAHAHA... MUHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[21:43:19]

justinh:

sphery: ahhh cheers!

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justinh:

FWIW re the their/there swapping – I reckon it's all Facebook's fault ;-)

[21:44:11]

justinh:

& the to/too swapping phenomenon

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skd5aner:

nah – dumb people

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skd5aner:

in my case – it's just typing too fast and hitting enter immediately

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justinh:

oh crap. I really did not want to google "acardiac twin".. a couple I'm friends with are going through a complicated pregnancy. I did NOT just want to see that photo

[21:46:53]

wagnerrp:

does it look angry?

[21:47:18]

justinh:

would you be angry if you didn't have a head?

[21:47:29]

wagnerrp:

likely not

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justinh:

there you go then :)

[21:48:42]

skd5aner:

Windows 7 Phone just now got copy and paste?

[21:48:54]

justinh:

heh I saw that

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karl__:

ok, moved to nvidia driver

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skd5aner:

who releases an OS, for any device, without copy and paste capabilities – I thought people learned that lesson after the first iphone?

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karl__:

no skipping yet, but still sceptical

[21:49:56]

karl__:

:)

[21:50:02]

skd5aner:

karl__: heh :

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skd5aner:

:)

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skd5aner:

karl__: well, since the proprietary driver is closed source, so i guess if you do have a problem you can't go fix it like you would have if you were using the nouveau driver ;)

[21:51:35]

karl__:

i still dont get why the video driver could be responsible for the errors in my log

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skd5aner:

it depends on what video rendorer your using in your playback profiles

[21:52:09]

skd5aner:

er, renderer

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karl__:

how can i check that again ?

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skd5aner:

in yoru frontend, under settings, video settings, and then I think playback profiles (guessing from memory)

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karl__:

ok, currently its on cpu+

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skd5aner:

what version of mythtv?

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skd5aner:

mythfrontend --version

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karl__:

0.24.20101129–1

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skd5aner:

what distro?

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karl__:

debian squeeze

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karl__:

the myth packages are from marillats multimedia repo

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skd5aner:

also, that's the library API version

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skd5aner:

look for something like: MythTV Version : v0.24-195-gbbfb6b0

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skd5aner:

and "MythTV Branch : fixes/0.24"

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karl__:

its not shown, i have already been told that c. marillat should fix his build scripts

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skd5aner:

if you do a mythbackend --version same thing?

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karl__:

0.24+fixes20110225–0.1 is what aptitude says

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skd5aner:

ok :)

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karl__:

same thing

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skd5aner:

I'm not a playback profile expert – all my our custom based on my what my card and CPU can handle, but I don't really know the defaults that well

[22:00:08]

skd5aner:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Playback_profiles

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karl__:

so i'll leave it on cpu+ for the time being

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skd5aner:

yea, probably good idea

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karl__:

if skipping is gone with the nvidia driver i am happy

[22:00:34]

karl__:

well, at least my fiancee will be

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karl__:

and my -1 month old son

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skd5aner:

although, I think CPU+ leverage xvmc

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skd5aner:

and I kind of hate xvmc, but...

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skd5aner:

it's going away in 0.25 anyway

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wagnerrp:

well the nouveau drivers dont support xvmc, so the point is moot

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karl__:

well it looks good for now, i will leave tv running over night to check if skipping is gone

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karl__:

thanks a lot for your help all !

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karl__:

gotta go get some sleep, cheers !

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justinh:

yeah leaving mythfrontend running on livetv all night isn't inviting problems.. lol

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: no, he install the nvidia drivers

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skd5aner:

installed

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EruditeHermit:

hello. I have 2 cards and I am trying to record some videos from a camcorder using mythtv. I am able to record video but not audio. One card is bttv 87x and the other is SAA7134 card. Can anyone help me to record audio on either?

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wagnerrp:

better to ask in VLC, and have VLC capture video from the camcorder

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wagnerrp:

assuming this isnt a digital camcorder, and you cant just copy the recordings directly out using firewire

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EruditeHermit:

wagnerrp, oh good idea

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is designed for scheduled recordings of tv

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wagnerrp:

it is not trivial to get it to arbitrarily record content off a camcorder

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wagnerrp:

it can be done, but it can be done much more easily with other applications

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Saviq:

hmm question, are cuts inclusive or exclusive? e.g. will the frame the cut begins / ends on will remain in the resulting recording or?

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karl__:

hi, unfortunately i am back

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karl__:

http://pastebin.com/JZ49qryp

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karl__:

it seems it was not a problem with the nvidia drivers

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karl__:

any other ideas?

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sphery:

skd5aner: on the win phone 7/copy & paste, at least it didn't have to wait for version 3, like iPhone OS/iOs

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sphery:

karl__: are you using Slim playback profile group?

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sphery:

karl__: also, might want to try: echo 128 | sudo tee /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/sub0/prealloc

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sphery:

audio issues are often a cause of playback problems (since audio timing determines video timing)

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skd5aner:

sphery: look up, I think he said CPU+

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sphery:

karl__: again, you don't want CPU<anything>... Those have all been removed from current MythTV because they're always the wrong choice.

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sphery:

karl__: use Slim

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sphery:

as I said before, you want Slim whether you use nouveau or nvidia proprietary drivers :)

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karl__:

karl__: also, might want to try: echo 128 | sudo tee /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/sub0/prealloc does not work

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karl__:

i cant change that value

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sphery:

doesn't work means the command succeeds, but mythtv has the same issue

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sphery:

or the command fails?

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karl__:

karl@karl-fernseher:~$ echo 128 | sudo tee /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/sub0/prealloc

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karl__:

[sudo] password for karl:

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karl__:

128

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karl__:

karl@karl-fernseher:~$ cat /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/sub0/prealloc

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karl__:

64

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karl__:

karl@karl-fernseher:~$

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sphery:

if you do it again, immediately after the first time, does it ask for password, again?

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sphery:

also possible that you have to do it when no one is using your sound card

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karl__:

ok, changed to slim, i hope that is "schonend" in german...

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karl__:

no, it does not ask for passwd again

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sphery:

does it change when you do it the 2nd time?

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karl__:

no

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sphery:

(wondering if the password is getting in the way of the pipeline)

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sphery:

hmmm... are you running PulseAudio?

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karl__:

i tried it as root as well

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karl__:

you are the man, it worked when myth is not running

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karl__:

the alsa error is gone

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sphery:

still playback issues?

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karl__:

2011-03–24 00:07:41.846 Player(0): Waited 100ms for video buffers AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAuL

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sphery:

PulseAudio running?

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karl__:

ps -ef | grep pulse does not give anything

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sphery:

ok... just wondered... If you do run Pulse, you need to use a PulseAudio:default audio output device with mythtv

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karl__:

it uses alsa

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sphery:

even when pulse uses alsa, you need to tell mythtv to use pulse

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karl__:

myth uses 15% cpu, x is down from 20% to 2–3% with the nvidia driver

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sphery:

instead of trying to use alsa directly

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sphery:

not sure what else to try

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sphery:

stick with slim, though... regardless of what else is happening, you want to use slim

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karl__:

thats fine by me, it seems to work

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karl__:

waiting now to see if it skips again

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sphery:

basically, should be using Slim or, if you upgrade video card to a VDPAU-capable one, VDPAU playback profile groups

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sphery:

oh, it hadn't skipped... figured your "Waited 100ms" paste meant it was

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sphery:

that may be the normal one that happens on every playback start (or restart, after pausing)

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sphery:

s/one/one(s)/

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sphery:

that will be fixed in 0.25

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karl__:

yep, lets see, i log output and leave tv running

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sphery:

cool, hope you got it working

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karl__:

i just hope marillat will 1) fix his build script ;) and 2) backport .25 to squeeze

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sphery:

probably was a combination of multiple issues... video driver, playback profile group, and ALSA configuration

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sphery:

ah, you're debian... that explains the distaste for nvidia proprietary

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karl__:

thanks a lot for your time anyway, and yes, i am debian

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sphery:

(or, really, the distaste for nvidia proprietary explains the debian)

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karl__:

... the swirl tribe ...

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karl__:

well, i used to use ubuntu

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karl__:

but as i use my laptop for work ( i am in life-sciences ) i need it to work

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karl__:

and not break every two weeks because of a crazy update

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sphery:

heh

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karl__:

debian is nice once it works, my mum is on lenny since 3 years, still works fine

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sphery:

yeah, GNU/Linux is a hobby unto itself.

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sphery:

you can pay with infrequent updates--at huge time cost--or frequent updates--at a small time cost each update

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sphery:

but everyone must pay the GNU/Linux piper

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karl__:

yep. or use windows media center ...

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sphery:

this is why I've told a lot of people I know that buying MS Windows is cheaper than using GNU/Linux

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sphery:

exactly

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skd5aner:

anyone ever use this tool? http://mediainfo.sourceforge.net/en

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** wagnerrp pays the freebsd piper you insensitive clod **

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, sorry... meant "everyone (who uses GNU/Linux) must pay the GNU/Linux piper"

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sphery:

The GNU/Linux piper is not Microsoft, after all, so doesn't charge people who don't use his product

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karl__:

hmm, not seeing lags, but this in log. again:

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karl__:

2011-03–24 00:18:59.616 RingBuf(/mnt/hdd1/live/11120_20110324000949.mpg): Waited 0.2 seconds for data

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karl__:

to become available... 13320 < 32768

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sphery:

(reference to MS setting up a licensing program for companies wanting to use Google's Android OS)

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sphery:

they're starting with the Nook/Barnes & Noble

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karl__:

sphery: what ? me likes android

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sphery:

MS is suing B&N, Invetec, and Foxconn for the Nook, saying that Android is infringing MS patents

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sphery:

karl__: http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2011 . . . pnewspr.mspx

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sphery:

if they win this round, more lawsuits to follow

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karl__:

ah, i did hear about that, but its usual MS bullying, apparently HTC has paid some license fees to MS already

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sphery:

right, and MS uses HTC's licensing as proof

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karl__:

but it is not, its just someone deciding its cheaper to pay the bully than to fight him

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sphery:

agreed

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sphery:

still, will be interesting to see what happens

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sphery:

after all, Google explicitly says it does not indemnify users of Android OS

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sphery:

so typically, it's "he who has the deepest pockets wins"

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karl__:

well, in my books google is not really evil, they try to combine both worlds

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sphery:

and MS has some very deep pockets... If IBM and some other supporters of GNU/Linux get involved, that could help

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karl__:

make money and make free software

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sphery:

but I doubt that Google cares enough to actually fight MS head on unless MS sues Google

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karl__:

i doubt it too, they created some quite spectacular things in recent years, they have their hands full

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karl__:

just thinking hadoop, google summer of code, android and so on

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sphery:

Yeah, I don't think Google's not indemnifying users is evil... I think Google is evil for far different reasons. They are the definition of a frienemy to FOSS.

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karl__:

well, they need to make money to, and they want to be a platform, for that they need to be reasonably safe to use

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karl__:

so they cant have the GPL in every part of android, companies wont use that

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sphery:

yeah, it's just the "invent our own" and "abuse the GPL" that I dislike

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sphery:

i.e. Android is not a *nix-like OS

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karl__:

well, thats exactly the reason for the lGPL licence

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sphery:

and their taking GPL'ed source code, scrubbing comments, and calling it Apache-licensed code is annoying

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karl__:

well, not everyone agrees that that was actually evil

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sphery:

and forking Java to create a non-compatible Java-like platform

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karl__:

i read that they could just have made the definitions with a make-headers command and that would be lGPL

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karl__:

makes sense to keep the interfaces to the kernel available to closed-source-producing-companies

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sphery:

anyway, will be interesting to see what happens

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karl__:

yep, interesting times :)

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karl__:

on another note, i hate to say:

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karl__:

http://pastebin.com/u2CVpHqq

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karl__:

skip, lag, grrrrrrrr

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sphery:

:(

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sphery:

not sure what else to try

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karl__:

bugger

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karl__:

anyway, time for bed, thanks for your time !

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sphery:

g'night and good luck

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karl__:

i'll be back.. as we say in austria :)

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Bop:

hello

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Bop:

does mythtv records what he's getting ?

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Bop:

2011-03–23 23:22:35.341 Expiring 258 MB for 2006 at 2011-03–22T23:00:00 =>

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Bop:

i have some messages like this :o

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wagnerrp:

something 258MB large probably means it is a livetv session

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wagnerrp:

livetv recordings only last about a day or so before they get deleted

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Bop:

i didnt set nothing for recording :o

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wagnerrp:

obviously you recorded something, as there was something to expire

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Bop:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

you have never watched any tv, ever, in mythtv?

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Bop:

i do

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wagnerrp:

then why bother configuring it?

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Bop:

but i dont set for record

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wagnerrp:

so youre using live tv?

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Bop:

i just want to see without recording

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Bop:

yeah its from dvb-t

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wagnerrp:

so youre recording

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Bop:

so its live

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wagnerrp:

no, its recording

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wagnerrp:

and playing back that recording nearly live

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Bop:

i see

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Bop:

that's how myth tv works then

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wagnerrp:

thats how all DVRs work

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Bop:

some dvr's box have no hard disk

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