| Wednesday, March 16th, 2011, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:51] | sphery: | thanks for catching that |
| [00:01:41] | wagnerrp: | something else, youve got a single field for studio and certification |
| [00:01:51] | wagnerrp: | the metadata grabbers allow for multiples |
| [00:01:59] | wagnerrp: | same with director |
| [00:02:48] | sphery: | those come straight out of videometadata |
| [00:02:59] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if youve talked to iamli ndoro about that, adding (yet) another table to cross link those |
| [00:03:03] | sphery: | director will eventually be combined with credits stuff |
| [00:03:09] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i know thats how mythvideo is currently set up |
| [00:03:13] | sphery: | (tv and video credits stuff) |
| [00:03:52] | sphery: | we could easily do the same for studio and certification, but I'm saving those "rewrite all the code to work differently" changes for separate commits |
| [00:04:04] | wagnerrp: | fair enough |
| [00:04:08] | wagnerrp: | no need to do it all at once |
| [00:04:18] | wagnerrp: | this will certainly be plenty of work to get running as it is |
| [00:04:21] | sphery: | yeah, and my feeble brain couldn't handle trying to do it all at once :) |
| [00:04:26] | sphery: | yeah |
| [00:04:33] | sphery: | I should be quite busy with it |
| [00:04:46] | sphery: | tv will be even messier, I think. |
| [00:04:54] | sphery: | so I plan to start with mythvideo |
| [00:05:28] | sphery: | first step will be dumping the DB update in so the new schema tables are available |
| [00:05:38] | sphery: | then I'll work the actual changes required to use the new schema |
| [00:05:45] | sphery: | starting with mythvideo, then tv |
| [00:08:04] | iamlindoro: | I wrote the grabber specification for a theoretical future date where we parse multiples, but some things are only meant to hold one |
| [00:08:07] | iamlindoro: | certification, for example |
| [00:08:16] | iamlindoro: | you pick the one for your mythlocale at parse time |
| [00:08:27] | sphery: | but for the director stuff, that's already on my todo list, since we have director and videocast and videometadatacast and credits |
| [00:08:28] | wagnerrp: | yeah, thats what i figured it was doing currently |
| [00:08:36] | iamlindoro: | all the people roles allow for multiple, but we don't handle them yet |
| [00:08:43] | sphery: | and, weird, I have a videocast entry that "locks" up mysql |
| [00:08:43] | iamlindoro: | I wrote the grabber spec so that we ultimately could, though |
| [00:08:49] | sphery: | (the client, not the server) |
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| [00:11:36] | sphery: | Rade erbed (locks up after the d...) HEX(cast) is 5261646520C5A06572626564C5BE696A61, so C5BE is killing it |
| [00:12:15] | sphery: | LATIN SMALL LETTER Z WITH CARON (U+017E) |
| [00:12:25] | sphery: | turns my mysql client to carrion |
| [00:12:37] | iamlindoro: | I don't see myself caron about that |
| [00:12:43] | sphery: | heh |
| [00:13:33] | sphery: | weird |
| [00:14:06] | wagnerrp: | serves you right for using crazy, non-latin names |
| [00:14:15] | sphery: | heh, yeah, /I/ used that name |
| [00:15:03] | sphery: | guessing it's this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rade_%C5%A0erbed%C5%BEija |
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| [00:17:12] | wagnerrp: | are you recording horatio cain again? |
| [00:17:17] | sphery: | turns out iamlindoro has the right idea... now I'm not caron about that |
| [00:17:30] | iamlindoro: | It had to happen sometime |
| [00:17:40] | sphery: | is videocast tv or mythvideo? |
| [00:17:49] | wagnerrp: | mythvideo |
| [00:17:50] | sphery: | (if mythvideo, I have no idea where he came from) |
| [00:17:51] | iamlindoro: | mv |
| [00:18:01] | wagnerrp: | the tv tables are 'people' and 'credits' |
| [00:19:01] | sphery: | ah, yeah, he's been in several movies |
| [00:19:16] | sphery: | probably one that I moved over because Watch Recordings gets so full |
| [00:19:19] | sphery: | I need to do that again |
| [00:20:13] | wagnerrp: | much as i love seeing this happen, couldnt you have done it like two years ago? |
| [00:20:15] | sphery: | time to make dinner |
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| [01:06:32] | _antant: | Hey guys. Is there anywhere I can download a mythtv backend for win? |
| [01:06:37] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [01:07:02] | _antant: | oh |
| [01:07:23] | _antant: | Will it build and work on win? |
| [01:07:31] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [01:08:17] | _antant: | are you sure? |
| [01:08:26] | wagnerrp: | positive |
| [01:08:33] | wagnerrp: | frontend only |
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| [01:08:52] | _antant: | it says it will |
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| [01:09:11] | _antant: | I was just hoping I could get around having to build it myself |
| [01:09:11] | wagnerrp: | what says it will? |
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| [01:09:22] | _antant: | the wiki |
| [01:09:27] | wagnerrp: | where at? |
| [01:09:37] | _antant: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_on_Windows |
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| [01:10:38] | wagnerrp: | the /only/ tuner that conceivably work on windows is the HDHomeRun |
| [01:10:56] | wagnerrp: | because it is accessed directly by mythtv over the network, with no system involvement |
| [01:11:12] | _antant: | yeah, just read that bit |
| [01:11:16] | _antant: | bugger |
| [01:11:27] | wagnerrp: | however i am almost certain there is sufficient else that is designed for POSIX only that the backend will not function on windows |
| [01:11:31] | wagnerrp: | even with an HDHR |
| [01:11:49] | _antant: | So I gotta try and find a tv tuner plugin for xbmc that will work on win |
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| [01:39:24] | Wicked: | hello all. is the video i capture over firewire the same video that comes off the stb as if i had it hooked up via hdmi? or is the firewire stream different? |
| [01:39:48] | wagnerrp: | firewire is unprocessed |
| [01:39:53] | wagnerrp: | hdmi is raw |
| [01:39:54] | Wicked: | i ask because some of the recordings are hdtv...and well...some dont look as spectaular as i would have thought |
| [01:40:13] | Wicked: | hmm. whats the difference between unprocessed and raw? |
| [01:40:18] | wagnerrp: | as in... firewire is what you would get if you were otherwise using a digital tuner |
| [01:40:20] | Wicked: | iirc firewire cannot have osd |
| [01:40:22] | wagnerrp: | the compressed mpeg2 feed |
| [01:40:38] | wagnerrp: | unaltered by the cable box |
| [01:40:58] | Wicked: | so firewire would be the "purest" tv one could get from the stb? |
| [01:41:01] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to hdmi which is raw decoded video, run through whatever video processors and overlay the cable box has |
| [01:41:25] | wagnerrp: | raw being uncompressed |
| [01:41:25] | Wicked: | i see. stb's dont do anything to make the video look better right? |
| [01:41:34] | Wicked: | just like osd's and what have you |
| [01:41:39] | wagnerrp: | likely, yes |
| [01:42:01] | Wicked: | likely they dont do anything but osd's...or likely they do other things to make it look better? |
| [01:42:37] | Wicked: | sorry for the 20 questions hehe :) |
| [01:42:39] | wagnerrp: | likely they dont |
| [01:42:48] | wagnerrp: | just a decoder, scaler, and OSD overlay |
| [01:43:00] | Wicked: | ah. im kinda surprised at some of the hd stations then. |
| [01:43:06] | wagnerrp: | now whether their scaler or that found in your video card is better... i cant say |
| [01:43:09] | Wicked: | they look good...but some not as good as others. |
| [01:43:25] | Wicked: | and foxhd...shouldnt be called foxhd hehe |
| [01:43:26] | wagnerrp: | those HD stations youre talking about are likely recompressed to fit more in the limited bandwidth |
| [01:43:36] | Wicked: | should be called fox 1.5 lol |
| [01:43:50] | wagnerrp: | youre unaffiliated, so i cant tell what provider you have through your mask |
| [01:43:56] | Wicked: | ah. i would hope my fios has enought bw ;) |
| [01:44:03] | Wicked: | verizon fios |
| [01:44:04] | wagnerrp: | you have verizon? |
| [01:44:07] | Wicked: | yea |
| [01:44:25] | wagnerrp: | yeah, verizon doesnt do analog cable, meaning theyve got that full ~5Gbps for digital cable |
| [01:44:40] | Wicked: | got hooked up a month or two ago and im loving it. the tv is awesome and the inet...well the inet is the best! |
| [01:44:43] | wagnerrp: | they should have no trouble with bandwidth |
| [01:45:15] | Wicked: | i dont even like to say it out loud because i worry i will jinx myself...but i get *alot* of channels over firewire |
| [01:45:16] | wagnerrp: | perhaps they have some older, cheaper encoders for some channels |
| [01:45:24] | wagnerrp: | perhaps their feed from the station just sucks |
| [01:45:49] | wagnerrp: | anything you get over firewire is going to be usable without DRM using a cable card tuner |
| [01:45:52] | Wicked: | i previously had comcast...and firewire barely worked...id maybe get the locals...even then it was very unreliable. |
| [01:46:01] | wagnerrp: | they may have those available to appease tivo users |
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| [01:46:37] | wagnerrp: | only copy freely content can be accessed outside of the tivo unit that originally recorded the show |
| [01:46:41] | Wicked: | i get lots of stations in hd that are not the locals...like discovery, history, mtv, speed |
| [01:46:43] | wagnerrp: | anything with DRM is locked to that one unit |
| [01:46:59] | Wicked: | way more then i expected. |
| [01:47:13] | wagnerrp: | you can try putting up an antenna, see if the OTA is noticeably better quality than what you get over fios |
| [01:47:46] | Wicked: | the quality is not bad...just some stations do not look as good as others. |
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| [02:07:19] | The_Thing: | wagnerrp: Btw, reformatting did the trick... mostly... I had to set the permissions for the folders that I put on the drive, and I had to completely remove the storage group in the backend in order to get anything to play in either the internal player or VLC, but I got it working... |
| [02:08:34] | The_Thing: | Now begins the arduous task of figuring out how the devil to install and configure LIRC with the homebrew IR receiver that I made... |
| [02:09:25] | [R]: | The_Thing: its pretty simple |
| [02:11:24] | The_Thing: | Well when I'm done reinstalling Mythbuntu (the previous installation had a bunch of junk on it for testing that I didn't feel like taking off one at a time), perhaps you could walk me through it? |
| [02:11:48] | [R]: | theres a millino guides on setting up lirc |
| [02:11:50] | [R]: | its not rocket sciene |
| [02:12:05] | The_Thing: | It is when you barely know how to use Linux... |
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| [02:14:28] | The_Thing: | And everything that I've found so far relates to old distributions of Ubuntu... ones made in like 2005 |
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| [02:16:15] | The_Thing: | Oh, hello... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallLirc/Maverick |
| [02:17:34] | The_Thing: | Isn't a configuration screen supposed to come up when you install LIRC? |
| [02:18:01] | wagnerrp: | something like that would be an entirely ubuntu thing |
| [02:18:12] | wagnerrp: | LIRC has no such graphical utility |
| [02:18:20] | The_Thing: | I tried a somewhat different method when installing Lirc, the one listed on the Mythbuntu wiki, and there was no config utility |
| [02:18:41] | The_Thing: | mmm |
| [02:18:49] | kormoc: | Ubuntu, embracing and extending... |
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| [02:19:04] | The_Thing: | "sudo dpkg-reconfigure lirc-modules-source" "A Configuration should appear" |
| [02:19:32] | [R]: | my stupid sister is watching Teen Mom... why is it that most of the girls on that are from the south... |
| [02:19:34] | The_Thing: | No such configuration appeared when I tried it, but I probably did it out of order... I did that second step several hours after installing it... |
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| [02:21:14] | wsuetholz: | hello, I recently updated to 0.24 and am having a problem with fe responsiveness |
| [02:22:47] | wsuetholz: | I've cut it down just the mbe and the sbe/fe and have been watching top |
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| [02:25:02] | wsuetholz: | on both the backend is staying at 5–10 % cpu |
| [02:25:39] | wsuetholz: | even though things are idle |
| [02:25:46] | [R]: | what do you mean by "responsiveness" |
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| [02:26:59] | The_Thing: | Oh, how embarrasing... I wasn't looking at the Mythbuntu Wiki... I was looking at the MythTV wiki... |
| [02:27:14] | wsuetholz: | i press the arrow key in watch recordings and nothing happens |
| [02:27:19] | The_Thing: | That might explain a few things xD |
| [02:27:46] | wsuetholz: | actually its any key |
| [02:28:52] | [R]: | if nothing happens, then your bindings are broken |
| [02:28:54] | wsuetholz: | i even tried the stop key which should back up to the menu |
| [02:29:39] | wsuetholz: | even the keyboard? |
| [02:30:08] | [R]: | you said nothign hpapens |
| [02:30:12] | [R]: | if nothign happens, how are you starting recordings |
| [02:30:52] | wsuetholz: | bindings are working sometimes |
| [02:31:17] | wsuetholz: | i am able to switch vt's |
| [02:31:40] | [R]: | that has nothing to do with myth... |
| [02:31:52] | wsuetholz: | but when i switch back it doesn't repaint |
| [02:32:38] | wsuetholz: | i just see the theme baclground |
| [02:33:00] | [R]: | sounds like somethings pretty sccrewed up |
| [02:35:03] | wsuetholz: | i am seeing a bunch of "adding: tzcheck as a client (events: 0) |
| [02:35:23] | [R]: | tahts normal |
| [02:35:33] | [R]: | assuming tzcheck is the name of one of your machines |
| [02:35:47] | wsuetholz: | in the mbe log |
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| [02:37:07] | wsuetholz: | nope |
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| [02:38:43] | clever: | i think its a false name used by the fe/be to verify the timezone |
| [02:38:56] | wsuetholz: | tzcheck==timezone check? |
| [02:39:04] | clever: | yep |
| [02:39:30] | clever: | the 2 systems exchange the tz config and current time, and if it doesnt match, it will complain and refuse to work |
| [02:39:44] | clever: | my fe just did it an hour ago, clock was off by exactly 1 hour |
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| [02:42:26] | matt_: | Hello, I have a Myth setup on Ubuntu, I am using a HD-PVR with DirecTV, The HD-PVR seems to be configured because I can record video using "cat /dev/video0 > test.ts" the problem I am having is getting the live TV to show up in Myth, When I click on Watch TV, it hangs for a few seconds and drops right back to the main menu.....any help would be greatly appreciated |
| [02:42:38] | wsuetholz: | maybe because the hdpvr was off so the only recorder was not able to oben the. |
| [02:43:39] | [R]: | matt_: what does the lgo say |
| [02:43:42] | matt_: | Well, the power light is on |
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| [02:44:00] | wagnerrp: | matt_: specifically we want to see the backend logs |
| [02:45:20] | matt_: | ok, I do apologize, I am somewhat of a linux noob, could you be a little more specific on what you need to see? |
| [02:46:49] | wagnerrp: | /var/log/mythtv/ |
| [02:46:56] | wagnerrp: | something in there that says 'mythbackend' |
| [02:48:30] | The_Thing: | Anyone here know how to configure LIRC for Mythbuntu? |
| [02:49:01] | The_Thing: | I've tried #ubuntu-mythtv, but there's so few people in there that I doubt I'll get a response any time soon |
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| [02:51:32] | matt_: | Here is the Backend log file you asked for http://pastebin.com/EXUYA5q5 |
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| [02:52:21] | wagnerrp: | so your backend isnt running, because it is complaining about a misconfiguration |
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| [02:55:29] | matt_: | Are you referring to the section about it not having a valid capture card configured? |
| [02:56:46] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [02:57:48] | matt_: | When I go throught the capture card setup in Myth, it sees the HDPVR and it seems to be picking the /dev/video0 source |
| [02:57:54] | wagnerrp: | ok |
| [02:57:58] | wagnerrp: | and then? |
| [02:58:50] | wagnerrp: | what did you do after that? |
| [02:58:51] | matt_: | my dmesg aslo says the ovr is attached to video0 |
| [02:59:32] | wagnerrp: | telling mythtv what device node your tuner card is at is only one step of the process |
| [02:59:49] | wagnerrp: | did you give up there? |
| [03:00:23] | matt_: | after that I setup a video source, and configured the input connections |
| [03:00:35] | wsuetholz1: | Hello, I have defined a directory in the 'Default' Storage group of /lmyth/tv. That directory only exists on my sbe, and the other directory defined is /myth/tv and it only exists on the mbe.. Should that work? |
| [03:00:55] | wagnerrp: | the logs say you did not bind that source to the inputs |
| [03:00:55] | wsuetholz1: | When I had the /myth directory on the sbe, it was not seeing any of the recordings on the mbe. |
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| [03:01:27] | wagnerrp: | wsuetholz1: that should work fine |
| [03:01:40] | wagnerrp: | each backend will serve up its available content to the frontends that want it |
| [03:01:41] | matt_: | let me check what it has in the menus, one sec |
| [03:02:25] | wsuetholz1: | Presently the sbe mythbackend.log is full of lines.. connecting to master server, connected successfully, No directories found for file storage, and MythSocket(...): writeStringList: Error, invalid string list. |
| [03:02:44] | wsuetholz1: | so the sbe is basically retrying the connection every minute and bogging down the mbe. |
| [03:03:07] | wsuetholz1: | it was much worse when I had the hdpvr turned off, which will be the case usually. |
| [03:03:12] | wagnerrp: | the master has its own storage and tuners? |
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| [03:03:36] | wagnerrp: | are you sure the user running both backends has file permissions to those folders? |
| [03:03:42] | wsuetholz1: | then it was complaining about not being able to open /dev/video0 and restarting the connection problems. |
| [03:03:46] | wagnerrp: | are you sure the folder exists, and maybe the disk wasnt mounted properly? |
| [03:03:59] | wsuetholz1: | good point wagnerrp.. I'll check. The user is mythtv.. |
| [03:04:27] | The_Thing: | Anyone here know how to configure LIRC for Mythbuntu? When I turned it on in the MCC, it asked for my remote control, and I found my homebrew IR receiver in the list in the initial setup dialog. But when I go to test it with irw, it picks up nothing. |
| [03:05:25] | wsuetholz1: | ok, the /lmyth and /lmyth/tv directories are rwx all the way, and owned by mythtv, group mythtv on the sbe |
| [03:05:34] | wagnerrp: | The_Thing: a homebrew receiver will not show anything in irw, because it doesnt have a default remote to receive from |
| [03:05:44] | wsuetholz1: | and I just verified that the mythbackend is running as the mythtv user. |
| [03:05:53] | wagnerrp: | you need to configure your lircd.conf with the codes that are coming out of your remote |
| [03:06:12] | wagnerrp: | lircd.conf maps the raw IR codes to named buttons, that irw will then display |
| [03:06:17] | The_Thing: | So I just need to find the lircd.conf for my particular remote? |
| [03:06:26] | clever: | find or make one |
| [03:06:29] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [03:06:43] | clever: | irrecord should aid in making it |
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| [03:07:21] | clever: | and xmode2 can be used to see if its working at all |
| [03:07:47] | clever: | xmode2 talks directly to lirc0, without lircd running, i think irrecord does the same |
| [03:07:47] | The_Thing: | And. what if it's a universal remote, like a Dish Network one? |
| [03:07:49] | matt_: | wagnerrp I checked the input connections again and it was missing the link over to the capture card, I pointed it back to the pvr, but still get the same problem |
| [03:08:02] | wagnerrp: | have you restarted the backend since? |
| [03:08:15] | clever: | The_Thing: pick whatever code-set you want, you might find one that already has a finished lircd.conf |
| [03:08:32] | matt_: | doesn't it restart when you get out of the backend setup? |
| [03:08:53] | wagnerrp: | only mythbuntu does that |
| [03:09:02] | wagnerrp: | that is not typical mythtv behavior |
| [03:09:42] | matt_: | ok, whats the restart command? |
| [03:09:57] | wagnerrp: | depends on your distro |
| [03:10:07] | matt_: | I will restart it from now on, when ever I change something |
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| [03:10:12] | matt_: | Ubuntu |
| [03:10:29] | wagnerrp: | if you are using mythbuntu, then their wrapper scripts have already restarted mythbackend |
| [03:10:38] | wsuetholz1: | If I set up a null recorder on the sbe, would that make it more tolerant of the HDPVR not always being turned on? |
| [03:10:59] | The_Thing: | aha |
| [03:11:02] | The_Thing: | I think I found it |
| [03:11:08] | wagnerrp: | wsuetholz1: no, the SBE will fault if it cannot access a defined tuner |
| [03:11:14] | matt_: | I am using Ubuntu 10.10 and installed Mythyv from the software center |
| [03:11:32] | wagnerrp: | matt_: yes, you are using mythbuntu |
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| [03:12:12] | wsuetholz1: | What am I supposed to do about intermittent tuners? |
| [03:12:35] | [R]: | wsuetholz1: get better ones? |
| [03:12:37] | wagnerrp: | make them not-intermittent |
| [03:12:43] | matt_: | lol |
| [03:13:06] | clever: | id stop the slave backend whenever the tuner isnt present |
| [03:13:13] | clever: | then it will act like the entire box is off |
| [03:13:26] | wagnerrp: | the slave backend should be doing that all on its own |
| [03:13:32] | wsuetholz1: | Thank you, that's what I was thinking too.. |
| [03:13:39] | wsuetholz1: | It's not wagnerrp |
| [03:13:52] | wagnerrp: | if the backend cannot find a defined tuner, it will close |
| [03:13:53] | wsuetholz1: | It's in a fast poll mode |
| [03:15:35] | wsuetholz1: | What happens for a backend that has 9 physical tuners defined if one of those tuners for some reason doesn't turn on? |
| [03:15:46] | wsuetholz1: | my mbe has 9 tuners. |
| [03:15:55] | wagnerrp: | the backend should terminate |
| [03:16:11] | [R]: | my bakcend works if i'm missing a tuner |
| [03:16:22] | wsuetholz1: | 6 HDHr, 2 Hauppauge 250, one HD2000 |
| [03:16:51] | The_Thing: | And it's copied to the lirc directory :) |
| [03:16:53] | wsuetholz1: | boy do I need a good antenna splitter.. |
| [03:17:19] | The_Thing: | Now, let me guess, I missed something that will royally screw up my configuration... :P |
| [03:17:31] | wsuetholz1: | which verbose option should I pick to see the list of storage groups being passed to my sbe? |
| [03:17:55] | wsuetholz1: | I tried socket, file, and database |
| [03:18:32] | kisak_: | the tuner which fails to initalized is marked as having an error and the incoming shows are rescheduled to use the remaining tuners to the best of mythbackend's ability |
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| [03:18:43] | wsuetholz1: | now I'm doing all.. |
| [03:19:36] | kisak_: | right wagnerrp? |
| [03:20:22] | wagnerrp: | i thought it just shut down |
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| [03:21:23] | kisak_: | in my experience it's never done that, but I have had shows dropped because the channel changer was defective or the tuner could not get a lock |
| [03:28:06] | The_Thing: | Ah heck, I'll just buy a USB receiver... |
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| [03:31:25] | matt_: | wagnerrp my backend server log is a little different now, it looks like the capture card portion is working now but it is having a issue while setting the fequency? some kind of invalid argument....http://pastebin.com/tUSTSckf+ |
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| [03:31:52] | matt_: | and still no video |
| [03:32:29] | wagnerrp: | you should be using an external tuner script, and you should not have set the default channel to anything |
| [03:33:11] | matt_: | I should be able to test it with /bin/true just to see it work though correct? |
| [03:33:19] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [03:33:33] | matt_: | before I even try to configre the channel changing script? |
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| [03:33:49] | wagnerrp: | there are two settings for initial channel |
| [03:34:00] | wagnerrp: | one is to tell mythtv what channel to start at for livetv |
| [03:34:16] | matt_: | ok |
| [03:34:19] | wagnerrp: | the other is to set an initial channel on a tuner if you are going to be using an external channel changing script |
| [03:34:24] | wagnerrp: | you dont want to set the latter |
| [03:34:37] | wagnerrp: | and if you have, it may be causing that issue |
| [03:34:39] | matt_: | ok, I shall remove it |
| [03:34:42] | wagnerrp: | i dont remember the exact term for it |
| [03:34:46] | wagnerrp: | the good one is a dropdown |
| [03:34:50] | wagnerrp: | the bad one is an edit box |
| [03:35:13] | matt_: | yep, I know what one you are talking about, I will change it now |
| [03:36:36] | matt_: | Preset tuner is now blank and startup channel is set at 6, from the drop down list |
| [03:36:49] | matt_: | That is what you meant correct? |
| [03:37:02] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [03:38:09] | wsuetholz1: | Found the problem with the storage group... It had a record in the storagegroup table for the sbe, when it should have had none. I had thought that I had gotten rid of that entry, but..... |
| [03:38:44] | wsuetholz1: | That makes top look ok now |
| [03:39:24] | The_Thing: | Well, other than a remote, and setting up the metadata for my videos, I'm all set :) |
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| [03:40:11] | The_Thing: | Now all I have to do is find a place where my cat won't play with the cords on my external drive... xD |
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| [03:44:34] | matt_: | wagnerrp, I can now see live TVbut seem to have lost my HDMI audio from my nvidia card :( |
| [03:47:55] | matt_: | Should I be using PulseSudio to configure my sound, will Myth be OK with that? |
| [03:48:05] | matt_: | *PulseAudio |
| [03:48:17] | wagnerrp: | no, you should be using alsa |
| [03:49:32] | matt_: | OK, I see my HDMI outputs in alsamixer, and they are not muted |
| [03:50:09] | matt_: | I had audio at the desktop a little while ago, I don't know why it isn't working now |
| [03:54:56] | wagnerrp: | if you intend to do HDMI, then you absolutely do not want pulseaudio |
| [03:55:03] | wagnerrp: | pulse does not support digital passthrough |
| [03:55:24] | wagnerrp: | everything will be decoded, remixed, resampled, re-encoded, and then sent across the wire |
| [03:56:09] | matt_: | YEah, I had it working with Alsa before, I can still see it in the mixer, I am not getting any sound from anywhere now thought, before I had the sound at the desktop |
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| [04:02:39] | brikp: | anyone up for a weird question? |
| [04:03:11] | [R]: | no sorry |
| [04:03:16] | [R]: | weird questions are monday |
| [04:03:20] | [R]: | we call it weird question monday |
| [04:03:25] | brikp: | lol, nice |
| [04:03:30] | [R]: | guess you'll have to wait a week and try again |
| [04:03:40] | brikp: | i'll ask anyway |
| [04:03:57] | [R]: | now theres an idea |
| [04:03:58] | wagnerrp: | wouldnt weird wednesday make more sense? |
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| [04:04:35] | [R]: | wagnerrp: when do we make sense |
| [04:04:44] | wagnerrp: | monday |
| [04:04:46] | brikp: | when playing videos from my video library if I have multiple videos on one directry playback is pixelated, when they are in their own directories the playback is fine. Is that weird? |
| [04:05:40] | brikp: | it doesnt matter their resolution, i can play 1080p fine unless there are multiple files in the same directory. |
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| [04:05:59] | brikp: | its a frontend/backend setup |
| [04:05:59] | wagnerrp: | you are using the Internal player? |
| [04:06:02] | brikp: | yes |
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| [04:07:40] | brikp: | so for example, the Bourne Trilogy, if separate folders for each movie its fine, if all in the same folder its pixelated. |
| [04:08:19] | brikp: | I havent tried putting everything in the root |
| [04:09:44] | brikp: | i have latest build, mythbuntu ubuntu updates applied. |
| [04:10:05] | brikp: | vdpau |
| [04:10:25] | wagnerrp: | have you tried with the software decoder? |
| [04:10:56] | brikp: | i'm kinda a noob, can you explain? |
| [04:11:04] | wagnerrp: | as in... not VDPAU |
| [04:11:41] | brikp: | ahh, yeah, i did play with some of those settings but then i cant play some BD backups and stuff. |
| [04:11:45] | wagnerrp: | although i cant think of anything that could possibly cause it, one way or another |
| [04:12:30] | brikp: | it doesnt seem to matter the resolution, could be avi files, iso or mkv files. |
| [04:13:34] | brikp: | it only seems to matter how they are stored (multiple files in a directory or not) |
| [04:14:06] | brikp: | perhaps I have something weird in the disk config on the backend? |
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| [04:22:40] | brikp: | nothing in either FE or BE logs |
| [04:24:14] | brikp: | plays fine with VLC asx stream via mythweb on same machine |
| [04:24:59] | wagnerrp: | you mean these are recordings? |
| [04:25:32] | brikp: | these are videos, sorry, was getting confused with something else |
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| [04:27:16] | brikp: | the files play fine with vlc on same hardware (mkv in this case) |
| [04:27:49] | brikp: | (when downloaded) |
| [04:28:16] | wagnerrp: | how would you download them to the same computer? |
| [04:28:25] | brikp: | via mythweb |
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| [04:28:46] | wagnerrp: | mythweb doesnt do mythvideo at current |
| [04:29:00] | wagnerrp: | its broken, and doesnt allow downloads |
| [04:29:05] | wagnerrp: | or are you still running 0.23? |
| [04:29:11] | brikp: | http://192.168.1.2/mythweb/video |
| [04:29:21] | brikp: | 0.23 |
| [04:31:11] | brikp: | weird, i just downloaded a video via mythweb to test, worked fine |
| [04:32:25] | brikp: | trying again, maybe it isnt actually. |
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| [04:32:36] | brikp: | seems to be hung downloaded. |
| [04:32:50] | sphery: | wagnerrp: OK, I'm not sure what's up, but it seems like the amount of spam I'm getting is /way/ down |
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| [04:32:58] | wagnerrp: | well you are trying to push around 25+GB files |
| [04:33:05] | kormoc: | sphery, is that's wagnerrp filter isn't it? |
| [04:33:13] | sphery: | heh |
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| [04:34:11] | sphery: | about a month ago, I'd get several hundred spams in my "Pending" folder (addressed to a valid address, but from an unknown sender) each day |
| [04:34:20] | sphery: | now I'm getting well under 100 |
| [04:35:02] | wagnerrp: | i find about half of my spam the last few months has been from my mythtv address, presumably scraped from github |
| [04:40:53] | brikp: | okay, files play fine in wondoze vlc via samba share and via vlc samba share from FE to BE |
| [04:44:23] | brikp: | only failure is playing withing mythtv (that I can find) |
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| [04:44:50] | wagnerrp: | what graphics card? |
| [04:45:07] | brikp: | nvidia something (ION?) |
| [04:45:19] | wagnerrp: | so youve got an atom |
| [04:45:23] | brikp: | yes |
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| [04:45:29] | wagnerrp: | so trying the software decoder isnt even a choice |
| [04:45:36] | wagnerrp: | ION or ION2? |
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| [04:45:48] | brikp: | not positive... hold on... |
| [04:46:35] | brikp: | atom 330 |
| [04:46:41] | wagnerrp: | how much memory? |
| [04:46:47] | brikp: | 2gb |
| [04:47:02] | wagnerrp: | and youve allocated 512MB to the graphics card? |
| [04:47:13] | brikp: | i do believe |
| [04:47:20] | brikp: | in bios |
| [04:48:04] | brikp: | If I move the videos into their own folders they will play fine, its only when I have multiple vids in same directory does it go wonky |
| [04:48:27] | brikp: | any only wonky in mythtv, playing it evey other way I can figure its fine |
| [04:48:44] | brikp: | the resolution of the video doesnt seem to matter |
| [04:48:45] | wagnerrp: | what if you do 'mythavtest <filename>' |
| [04:49:00] | brikp: | thats new to me |
| [04:49:47] | brikp: | its a front end only, so connect samba share then do that? |
| [04:50:03] | brikp: | or do that on BE? |
| [04:50:04] | wagnerrp: | use the myth uri |
| [04:50:22] | wagnerrp: | 'myth://Videos@your-backend-ip/relative/path/to/file |
| [04:50:31] | wagnerrp: | where the relative path is from the base of the storage group |
| [04:50:48] | brikp: | gotcha, hang on a minute or 3 |
| [04:51:16] | brikp: | I'm gona drop off and move to the other room. |
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| [04:56:35] | brikp: | back... |
| [04:58:03] | wagnerrp: | sphery: does the backend have any sort of general event loop? |
| [04:58:13] | wagnerrp: | something i can tell it, 'run this once per minute'? |
| [04:58:47] | sphery: | ttbomk, no |
| [04:59:25] | wagnerrp: | basically, i just want to have the jobqueue refresh itself off the database once per minute, for anything that may continue hitting the database directly |
| [04:59:49] | wagnerrp: | but it doesnt seem like something that should have a thread dedicated to it |
| [05:00:04] | wagnerrp: | and i dont want to put it in with the scheduler |
| [05:00:14] | sphery: | closest thing is probably the housekeeper, but I think it only wakes once/5min(plus a few seconds) |
| [05:00:27] | wagnerrp: | five minutes would be sufficient |
| [05:00:45] | wagnerrp: | since when this is done, nothing should be hitting the database |
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| [05:05:17] | wagnerrp: | 5 minutes +- 8 seconds |
| [05:05:48] | sphery: | does 8 qualify as a few? |
| [05:06:05] | wagnerrp: | 3–4 is a few |
| [05:06:09] | wagnerrp: | 8 is several |
| [05:06:11] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [05:06:23] | sphery: | oops, guess I was wrong about it, then |
| [05:06:38] | wagnerrp: | well its mod(8), so i guess that would be 7 seconds |
| [05:06:52] | wagnerrp: | erm... 300–307 seconds |
| [05:08:05] | wagnerrp: | i should make this modular! |
| [05:10:50] | sphery: | you could call it wcron |
| [05:11:06] | wagnerrp: | w? |
| [05:11:11] | sphery: | for wagnerrp |
| [05:11:52] | sphery: | darn, it's already taken: http://cd.textfiles.com/sbup/PROD/WCRON/WCRON.TXT |
| [05:12:39] | wagnerrp: | im thinking i just drop the repeat to 1 minute, let people define a function pointer and an interval |
| [05:12:47] | wagnerrp: | allow people to run tasks every interval minutes |
| [05:14:10] | clever: | wagnerrp: assuming the main thread is in the QT event loop, you should be able to just use QTimer and a slot to handle it all |
| [05:14:42] | wagnerrp: | thats the other option |
| [05:15:00] | brikp: | I was able to play the stream via mythavtest, still pixelated |
| [05:15:59] | brikp: | i exited and see discardframes messages |
| [05:16:30] | wagnerrp: | can we see the log? |
| [05:16:58] | brikp: | doing mirc on laptop, not FE, ity would be a pain |
| [05:17:49] | wagnerrp: | it would be a pain regardless of your client |
| [05:17:53] | wagnerrp: | and would get you kicked |
| [05:17:57] | wagnerrp: | thats why we have pastebins |
| [05:18:26] | brikp: | never used a pastbin, whats the URL? |
| [05:19:05] | wagnerrp: | pastebin.com |
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| [05:22:01] | brikp: | PASTEBIN.COM/6TMRTmbH |
| [05:22:33] | wagnerrp: | sphery: apparently netflix has paid $100M for the rights to production of a new full length show |
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| [05:23:56] | sphery: | new full length show? |
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| [05:24:28] | wagnerrp: | something called House of Cards |
| [05:24:36] | wagnerrp: | brikp: im going to say bad encoding |
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| [05:25:07] | sphery: | ah, interesting |
| [05:25:09] | brikp: | well, it plays everywhere else |
| [05:25:23] | brikp: | including on this same machine with vlc |
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| [05:26:06] | wagnerrp: | regardless, we cant help you play that file |
| [05:26:27] | brikp: | yeah, i understand |
| [05:26:41] | brikp: | thanks for what help you have given |
| [05:27:04] | wagnerrp: | i bet mythtv would play the original m2ts files just fine |
| [05:27:34] | brikp: | probably |
| [05:28:01] | brikp: | what makes me crazy is if I drop each episode into its own directory all is good |
| [05:28:21] | sphery: | wagnerrp: check out the picture at http://mashable.com/2011/03/16/is-netflix-the-next-hbo/ , then http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098825/ , then look at the date on the IMDB entry |
| [05:29:06] | wagnerrp: | well yeah... 'original series' is up to debate |
| [05:29:20] | sphery: | is it really based off a 1990 TV mini series? |
| [05:29:20] | brikp: | have a great night everyone |
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| [05:29:53] | wagnerrp: | miniseries was based off a book |
| [05:29:55] | wagnerrp: | but yes |
| [05:30:04] | sphery: | hmmm, interesting |
| [05:31:47] | wagnerrp: | you know, i almost want to stop asking for logs |
| [05:31:55] | wagnerrp: | but then i still cant help diagnose anything... |
| [05:32:12] | sphery: | btw, Chicago Code is up and Fringe is down: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/03/15/f . . . enewal/85737 |
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| [05:33:07] | wagnerrp: | what is Traffic Light? |
| [05:33:21] | sphery: | half-hour comedy |
| [05:33:44] | sphery: | not great, but not as bad as some of the garbage the networks are keeping |
| [05:35:37] | sphery: | V looks set to be cancelled |
| [05:35:59] | wagnerrp: | like family guy, didnt he lose his sense of humor in like 2003? |
| [05:36:29] | sphery: | at least family guy is orders of magnitude better than The Cleveland Show and Bob's Burgers |
| [05:36:39] | wagnerrp: | ive not seen any of either |
| [05:36:55] | sphery: | (OK, haven't watched Bob's, but nothing I've seen of it looks at all interesting) |
| [05:37:11] | sphery: | watched one episode of Cleveland and decided it wasn't worth recording |
| [05:37:23] | wagnerrp: | why cant fox pick up quality cartoons like venture brothers |
| [05:37:28] | sphery: | no joke |
| [05:37:34] | sphery: | or Futurama |
| [05:37:45] | sphery: | oh, wait, they had that once |
| [05:38:40] | ** wagnerrp feels the need to watch the VB season finale again ** | |
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| [05:39:37] | sphery: | I have to watch S2+ |
| [05:39:41] | sphery: | got a bit behind |
| [05:40:19] | wagnerrp: | 2 and 4 were great, 3 was ok |
| [05:40:27] | wagnerrp: | the first couple episodes of 2 were amazing |
| [05:52:22] | wagnerrp: | i was actually a bit worried about the season finale |
| [05:52:33] | wagnerrp: | they wrapped up everything |
| [05:52:40] | wagnerrp: | no cliffhangers |
| [05:52:52] | wagnerrp: | no left over story lines |
| [05:53:13] | wagnerrp: | it could well have been a series finale, but the rolling credits said theyre coming back for a 5th |
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| [05:59:29] | kormoc: | I've watched a few Bob's and they really aren't that funny |
| [06:00:21] | wagnerrp: | thats because they dont have Patrick Warburton, and a black ops colonel modeled after Hunter S. Thompson |
| [06:01:33] | kormoc: | true enough |
| [06:01:45] | kormoc: | VB is uniquely awesome |
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| [08:11:05] | Gumby: | I asked this Q last night but I have to ask I am getting two conflicting answers. Now that cross source EIT is gone, is it simply impossible to retrieve EIT data from one satellite that corresponds to channels on another? |
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| [08:26:10] | justinh: | Gumby: I repeat you can do that but you'd have to use an external EIT grabber |
| [08:26:50] | Gumby: | hehe, hi again justinh |
| [08:27:06] | Gumby: | thats the thing, I know a guy who says he is doing it, on 0.24, without one |
| [08:28:02] | justinh: | so maybe only the *setting* part of the UI is gone but the functionality is still within mythtv |
| [08:28:12] | justinh: | did you bother to ask how he did it? |
| [08:28:14] | Gumby: | same setup as me, and he is getting 9 day EIT on all channels/satellites whereas I can only seem to get 9 day EIT for the channels on the one single transponder that offers the 9 day EIT |
| [08:29:25] | Gumby: | I did ask him yes. he basically said to make sure I can tune all channels on the transponder that offers the 9 day guide and to make sure that the groups that the satellites belong to are the same |
| [08:29:39] | justinh: | groups? |
| [08:29:49] | justinh: | did he mean channel groups? |
| [08:30:06] | justinh: | not something I've ever bothered with. don't use livetv :) |
| [08:30:33] | Gumby: | sorry, the same "Input Groups" |
| [08:30:51] | Gumby: | ie: leave as or change to "Generic" |
| [08:31:13] | Gumby: | which is what Ive done. So, he doesn't seem to know how he did it either really. But somehow it is working |
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| [08:31:31] | Gumby: | I'll have to see what packages he is using |
| [08:31:38] | Gumby: | maybe that is the difference |
| [08:32:41] | justinh: | grrr. trying to get to grips with dropbox |
| [08:32:55] | justinh: | I linked this computer to my account but the daemon says not |
| [08:35:18] | justinh: | oh dear. it's broken. VERY broken |
| [08:35:32] | justinh: | (process:1194): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_new: assertion `G_TYPE_IS_OBJECT (object_type)' failed. LOL |
| [08:35:45] | Gumby: | hehe |
| [08:35:55] | Gumby: | wish I could help. But I cant even deal with mythtv :D |
| [08:39:04] | justinh: | woohoo seems to be working. I really dunno how but it is |
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| [11:35:45] | ServerSage: | So for years I have been manually setting up recordings for sporting events, mainly because I don't want to record every NHL game, only games for my team. Is there a better way to record all games for a single team? I tried "Custom Record" but it doesn't seem to allow you to have more than 1 rule (I would need Title like NHL and subtitle like Sharks). |
| [11:36:50] | ServerSage: | Doh, never mind. |
| [11:42:24] | hashbang: | ServerSage: sorted it? |
| [11:44:22] | ServerSage: | hashbang: Yeah, I took another look at the custom rules and realized I was being mental. |
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| [11:46:36] | ServerSage: | hashbang: Wow, this will make my life soooooo much easier. No more missing a game because I forgot to set up a recording. |
| [11:48:34] | hashbang: | ServerSage: yup, custom rules are pretty much a USP for MythTV |
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| [11:49:26] | ServerSage: | hashbang: Indeed. So many little things like that which make it impossible to leave mythtv. |
| [11:49:30] | hashbang: | ServerSage: I use a few to record anything with a given presenter/writer/director, and some "series" that don't follow the normal use of Title/Episode name |
| [11:49:59] | hashbang: | (The Money Programme, for instance, which has the 'episode name' as the title, and then just mentions 'money programme' in the description) |
| [11:50:03] | ServerSage: | hashbang: I can certainly see MANY uses for it now that I know it's there. |
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| [11:51:45] | ServerSage: | I do have a question I've been unable to google an answer for. I watch fullscreen on my 16:10 laptop display, and recordings that look fine on my 16:9 TV because I overscan have a bar across the bottom that is fuzzy and annoying on my 16:10. Is there a setting I'm missing where I can chop a recording off by 1 percent? |
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| [11:54:12] | ServerSage: | Or perhaps a setting to grow the top & bottom black bars by a few pixels to cover the bar? |
| [11:58:46] | hashbang: | ServerSage: half a scanline or so? |
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| [12:04:06] | ServerSage: | hashbang: Bit more than that, but sure. |
| [12:04:12] | ServerSage: | hashbang: Depends on the channel. |
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| [15:14:16] | ThisNewGuy: | Hi all, I have a show that could record at 12am on 3/25 but instead it's recording at 3:36am on 3/28 can anyone help me figure out why? |
| [15:15:12] | justinh: | list your upcoming recordings & see what's conflicting with it? |
| [15:15:30] | ThisNewGuy: | I checked myweb and there are no conflicts for 12am on 3/25 |
| [15:15:35] | ThisNewGuy: | er mythweb |
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| [15:16:10] | mhedi: | hi |
| [15:19:23] | skd5aner: | ThisNewGuy: no conflicts or no recordings at all? |
| [15:19:46] | mhedi: | hi |
| [15:20:52] | mhedi: | i won't to port MythTV to INTEL Atome |
| [15:21:19] | mhedi: | so does Mythtv supports Opengl es and the DirectFB ?? |
| [15:21:27] | justinh: | mhedi: no |
| [15:21:41] | justinh: | no directfb support in mythtv |
| [15:22:09] | wagnerrp: | dont know why you would want to use directfb either |
| [15:22:13] | ThisNewGuy: | skd5aner: correct – no conflicts or any recordings from 11pm – 8am |
| [15:22:23] | wagnerrp: | anyway, 0.25 does have experimental support for opengl es |
| [15:22:36] | wagnerrp: | or at least there have been a number of commits toward that goal |
| [15:23:06] | ThisNewGuy: | If I check mythbackend --printsched the one on 3/25 has a priority of 2 but the one on 3/28 has a priority of 3 – is there anyway to tell why this is? |
| [15:23:23] | justinh: | ThisNewGuy: users set priority of recordings |
| [15:24:06] | mhedi: | thanks |
| [15:24:42] | justinh: | mhedi: anyway no porting is required. mythtv can run on an Atom. Not that anybody would recommend you do that. Atom kinda sucks |
| [15:25:00] | wagnerrp: | s/kinda/really/ |
| [15:25:11] | ThisNewGuy: | justinh: The recpriority for the rule is 2 not 3 |
| [15:25:13] | wagnerrp: | its an abortive processor |
| [15:25:18] | wagnerrp: | it has no future |
| [15:25:26] | justinh: | unless all you ever want to play is standard definition media :P |
| [15:25:57] | justinh: | ThisNewGuy: so it sounds like a priority of 3 wins over 2.. logical |
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| [15:26:32] | ThisNewGuy: | justinh: is there anyway to figure out why the same recording has a schedule of 2 on 3/25 and 3 on 3/28? |
| [15:26:42] | ThisNewGuy: | s/schedule/priority |
| [15:26:47] | justinh: | find the rules & edit them? |
| [15:28:04] | ThisNewGuy: | justinh: I think my confusion is that there is only one rule |
| [15:28:55] | justinh: | what is the rule for that showing set to? |
| [15:29:39] | justinh: | mhedi: DO NOT MSG me again |
| [15:29:52] | justinh: | anything somebody asks should be done IN CHANNEL |
| [15:30:05] | justinh: | I do not get paid for this. If you want 1:1 support go somewhere else |
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| [15:31:38] | ThisNewGuy: | It's a custom rule: , programgenres g | program.chanid = g.chanid and program.starttime = g.starttime and g.genre = "Standup" and not (program.showtype = "Series" and program.generic = 1) |
| [15:31:54] | justinh: | and YES I'm pretty darn sure MythTV doesn't work with DirectFB. It used to, but it was hard to make work and it was eventually dropped altogether |
| [15:32:41] | ** wagnerrp wonders if justinh talks to himself on irc often ** | |
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| [15:33:28] | justinh: | wagnerrp: probably, when I add somebody to the /ignore list before addressing them again |
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| [15:42:48] | wagnerrp: | im somewhat wondering what hes doing |
| [15:42:57] | wagnerrp: | my bet is he wants to install mythtv on his boxee box |
| [15:43:24] | mhedi: | yes |
| [15:43:35] | skd5aner: | ThisNewGuy: is it possible that it's tied to multiple rules somehow? |
| [15:43:47] | skd5aner: | ThisNewGuy: that happens to me sometimes on a few of my custom rules |
| [15:44:05] | ThisNewGuy: | skd5aner: Is there any way to find out? |
| [15:44:21] | skd5aner: | ThisNewGuy: Probably, but the scheduler is just voodoo to me |
| [15:44:55] | wagnerrp: | so not only is he doing it with an atom processor, hes going it with one of the slowest atoms available, and that comes in a hideous box |
| [15:45:10] | wagnerrp: | mhedi: before you go any further, you really need to address the issue of video decoding |
| [15:45:21] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not support 'intel media play technology' |
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| [15:45:44] | wagnerrp: | meaning your stuck with whatever small amount of content you can decode on that 1.2GHz single core atom |
| [15:45:49] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: hence "port" :) |
| [15:45:52] | wagnerrp: | which is practically nothing |
| [15:47:14] | wagnerrp: | writing from-scratch support for a hardware video decoder is not what i would consider a 'port' |
| [15:47:50] | sphery: | ThisNewGuy: could be (evil) channel or input priorities or (only-evil-if-you-make-it-that-way) custom priority |
| [15:49:23] | sphery: | (or hdtv priority or ...) |
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| [16:11:32] | ThisNewGuy: | sphery – is there any way to print out what is contributing to the priority? |
| [16:11:36] | MMlosh: | sphery, http://www.qtcentre.org/threads/4653-Handling . . . sEvent%28%29 this looks quite related.. and I just googled for "keyPressEvent(QKeyEvent *e) dead keys" :) |
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| [16:12:36] | MMlosh: | also: I have created a patch for pulseaudio ouput (mythtv is setting default stream volume, but the documentation says to pass NULL unless you're extra sure what are you doing... and that is not the case) |
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| [16:13:42] | ThisNewGuy: | ah – my schedule marks one recording as HD and another as not even though they're on the same channel – that's the diff (I have +1 for hdtv) |
| [16:13:58] | sphery: | ThisNewGuy: In mythfrontend, Manage Recordings|Set Priorities |
| [16:14:13] | sphery: | it shows all factors |
| [16:15:28] | ThisNewGuy: | sphery: I meant which priorities contribute to a particular episode's priority |
| [16:16:32] | sphery: | MMlosh: want to link that on the ticket? |
| [16:17:36] | sphery: | ThisNewGuy: don't know if that's available |
| [16:17:59] | sphery: | closest we used to have was mythbackend --printsched, but it only showed rule prio and final prio, and now, I think it only shows final |
| [16:17:59] | MMlosh: | sphery, not sure... it says that setting the "compression" didn't help... setting the QT keyboard layout did |
| [16:18:38] | MMlosh: | but google return only junk for "qt use system keyboard layout" :( |
| [16:19:07] | sphery: | MMlosh: still worth linking--if the problem is not in our code, but in users X keyboard configuration, then it would allow us to close the ticket and not waste time on it :) |
| [16:19:27] | sphery: | of course, we need proof... so, perhaps if you can get yours working, you can link that thread and explain how you made it work |
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| [16:20:12] | MMlosh: | sphery, OK... |
| [16:21:16] | MMlosh: | I'll try to change my XKB locale and re-test... |
| [16:21:25] | MMlosh: | linking to a solution would be useful too, right? |
| [16:21:34] | sphery: | definitely useful |
| [16:21:55] | sphery: | seems in X there are XkbVariant options for dead keys |
| [16:22:20] | sphery: | don't know if that's still true with modern xkb |
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| [16:25:40] | MMlosh: | sphery, yes.. that is the problem.. there is no InputDevice section in xorg.conf anymore... udev does it... |
| [16:26:03] | sphery: | ah, and probably defaults to the XkbVariant "nodeadkeys" option? |
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| [16:26:40] | sphery: | arguably that may make sense for non-geek users of the distro... |
| [16:27:22] | MMlosh: | well.. even non-geeks wants their dead keys working... |
| [16:27:30] | wagnerrp: | are dead keys the ones youve used so much, youve scratched off the lettering? |
| [16:27:33] | sphery: | if they know what dead keys are |
| [16:27:51] | sphery: | I'm assuming non-geeks would use some app-provided "select special symbol" GUI |
| [16:28:28] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, I don't have those dead keys, anymore--got my new keyboard (and disassembled it and fixed it since the pads under the keys had moved and some keys weren't working) |
| [16:28:53] | sphery: | yes, I went cheap, not quality |
| [16:28:54] | MMlosh: | wagnerrp, sry.. I don't get it |
| [16:29:04] | skd5aner: | I still love my IBM Model M keyboard made in 1984 ;) |
| [16:29:16] | sphery: | yeah, that's the quality I decided not to pay for |
| [16:29:20] | MMlosh: | and no – normal people use it |
| [16:29:23] | wagnerrp: | hey, your keyboard is older than me |
| [16:29:25] | skd5aner: | clicky clicky clicky |
| [16:29:46] | MMlosh: | because it is normal letter... use rate "sometimes" |
| [16:30:02] | sphery: | skd5aner: I would love one of those or a Das Keyboard |
| [16:30:13] | MMlosh: | heh.. agreed |
| [16:30:16] | skd5aner: | I've got 2.5 of them |
| [16:30:21] | sphery: | MMlosh: he was just joking about the dead keys |
| [16:30:27] | skd5aner: | one is for parts :) |
| [16:30:39] | sphery: | or 0.5 is for parts? |
| [16:30:50] | skd5aner: | well, it was .98 |
| [16:30:55] | sphery: | heh |
| [16:30:57] | skd5aner: | and now it's actually probably around .90 |
| [16:31:18] | skd5aner: | got it at an old university salvage place |
| [16:31:28] | skd5aner: | warehouse of old computer stuff |
| [16:31:32] | skd5aner: | back in like 2002 |
| [16:31:45] | sphery: | is it an AT-style connector? |
| [16:31:49] | skd5aner: | $5 a piece or something rediculous |
| [16:31:55] | skd5aner: | 1 is 2 have ps/2 |
| [16:32:01] | sphery: | cool |
| [16:32:04] | MMlosh: | oh.. ok |
| [16:32:08] | sphery: | even on ebay those things are expensive |
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| [16:32:17] | skd5aner: | yea, I should have bought more |
| [16:32:33] | skd5aner: | I thought to myself at the time – "why would I need more than 2 or 3 of these old clunkers" |
| [16:32:44] | sphery: | oooh, the dvorak version is cheaper |
| [16:32:51] | skd5aner: | one of them still has shortcut stickers on it for lotus 1-2–3 ;) |
| [16:33:28] | sphery: | terribly high shipping, though |
| [16:33:39] | skd5aner: | what are they going for? |
| [16:33:43] | MMlosh: | vor |
| [16:33:47] | MMlosh: | dvora |
| [16:34:07] | MMlosh: | dvorak keyboard for sale? cool... where? |
| [16:34:12] | sphery: | heh... My dad had one with plastic-covered paper templates you slipped around the function keys to show functions for, i.e. Multimaate |
| [16:34:24] | sphery: | MMlosh: http://cgi.ebay.com/DVORAK-SIMPLIFIED-KEYBOAR . . . em35b0aa2620 |
| [16:34:26] | skd5aner: | http://www.clickykeyboards.com/ |
| [16:34:41] | sphery: | $29.99 buy-it-now, but $15 shipping for me |
| [16:35:05] | skd5aner: | You could potentially re-arrange the keycaps and turn it into a standard qwerty |
| [16:35:06] | sphery: | most of the Model M's start at $49.95 or so |
| [16:36:09] | sphery: | skd5aner: or I'd just use it as standard qwerty with the keycaps in the wrong place :) |
| [16:36:19] | skd5aner: | yea, no kidding |
| [16:36:19] | sphery: | http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-Model-M-Terminal-DIN- . . . em588cccd51b isn't bad price, but very ugly |
| [16:36:20] | skd5aner: | heh |
| [16:36:50] | skd5aner: | you can use these things as weapons though |
| [16:36:52] | skd5aner: | solid |
| [16:36:54] | quicksilver: | my IR remote broke. |
| [16:37:07] | quicksilver: | how do I work out what replacement is likely to work with my existing receiver? |
| [16:37:20] | skd5aner: | what did the receiver come with? |
| [16:37:32] | quicksilver: | my case |
| [16:37:36] | skd5aner: | what is your case? |
| [16:37:37] | quicksilver: | it's a silverstone with an iMON |
| [16:37:41] | skd5aner: | ah |
| [16:37:56] | sphery: | skd5aner: wow, unused model m's going for $150 or so |
| [16:37:58] | quicksilver: | imon is the name of the lirc driver which works, too |
| [16:38:40] | skd5aner: | I think imon is RC-6 |
| [16:38:44] | skd5aner: | so a lot of remotes will likely work |
| [16:39:07] | skd5aner: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/242605 |
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| [16:39:58] | skd5aner: | or maybe not |
| [16:40:14] | skd5aner: | but you could always get a learning remote that would immitate the imon remote |
| [16:40:39] | skd5aner: | sphery: yea – and a LOT of them are sold |
| [16:43:24] | quicksilver: | skd5aner: useful link thanks |
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| [16:44:10] | quicksilver: | skd5aner: not very positive reading though :( |
| [16:44:21] | quicksilver: | skd5aner: don't learning remotes need a remote to learn from? |
| [16:44:28] | quicksilver: | my iMON remote is dead. |
| [16:45:31] | quicksilver: | sounds like I may need to but another iMON; the damage is actually insured so I can send them the receipt. |
| [16:46:18] | quicksilver: | maybe I should try to contact silverstone |
| [16:47:35] | skd5aner: | quicksilver: some do, some don't – any of the harmony's would simply leverage a database |
| [16:47:52] | quicksilver: | skd5aner: ah, OK, interesting. |
| [16:47:53] | skd5aner: | I'm not a huge harmony fan, but I've used 3–4 in the past |
| [16:48:13] | quicksilver: | I'd actually *rather* not get a replacement iMon because I'd rather have a conventional arrow pad than the daft iMON analogue joypad |
| [16:48:14] | skd5aner: | I think they're mediocre to good |
| [16:48:22] | quicksilver: | the analog joypad isn't useful in myth |
| [16:48:33] | quicksilver: | so I had to bind arrow to other keys which confused wife. |
| [16:48:34] | skd5aner: | Well, if you are looking for something else entirely, you could get an MCEUSB remote |
| [16:48:54] | quicksilver: | skd5aner: that would use its own receiver? |
| [16:48:56] | MMlosh: | sphery, failing and failing... I'll ask at #qt.. btw: what about the pulseaudio fix (just replaces &volume with NULL, just like the pulseaudio devs said) |
| [16:49:06] | skd5aner: | quicksilver: yes, a usb one |
| [16:49:21] | quicksilver: | skd5aner: hmm. Loses points for looking ugly... but would bea solution. |
| [16:49:49] | skd5aner: | quicksilver: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000W5GK5C/r . . . s_product_T2 |
| [16:49:51] | skd5aner: | for example |
| [16:50:43] | skd5aner: | hmmm – tempted to finally buy one of these now that the priceis so low – http://www.amazon.com/Portable-Wireless-Keybo . . . bxgy_e_img_c |
| [16:50:54] | skd5aner: | but I've already got a logitech di novo mini, so... |
| [16:51:14] | ** quicksilver nods ** | |
| [16:52:01] | skd5aner: | the big plus on the Rii is that it has a dedicated esc button, whereas the di novo mini, does not (it's an alt-key combo :P) |
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| [16:53:29] | quicksilver: | thanks for the help. ponder. |
| [16:54:33] | skd5aner: | hmmm, lots of bad reviews on the Rii though :/ |
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| [16:58:11] | sphery: | MMlosh: no idea about pulse stuff... you'd have to talk to jya |
| [16:59:19] | MMlosh: | thanks... the "patch" is a one-liner.. what is the preferred paste method here? |
| [17:01:15] | wagnerrp: | anything but in the channel |
| [17:01:36] | MMlosh: | allright |
| [17:02:57] | skd5aner: | anyone here use gdm? |
| [17:03:22] | sphery: | MMlosh: best bet is to submit the patch to a ticket with a full description of the problem, the symptoms, and the fix (at http://code.mythtv.org/trac ) |
| [17:03:31] | MMlosh: | jya, http://www.fpaste.org/D3iq/ |
| [17:03:45] | sphery: | he'll definitely see a ticket, he might not see comments in here |
| [17:03:51] | MMlosh: | oh... OK |
| [17:04:32] | sphery: | wagnerrp: did you see the proposal for making "streaming" of copyrighted content a felony: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/16/make_streaming_a_felony/ |
| [17:04:58] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i was wondering what that really entailed |
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| [17:05:14] | sphery: | no clue what "streaming" means... whether that includes downloading illegal copies or only applies to the one "uploading" it or to people who download and play it without saving it or ... |
| [17:05:22] | sphery: | yeah, same here |
| [17:05:31] | sphery: | don't feel like reading the government PDF, though |
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| [17:10:06] | wagnerrp: | im more concerned where it applies to place shifting of otherwise legal content |
| [17:10:23] | wagnerrp: | but i think its more intended to go after internet radio |
| [17:10:33] | wagnerrp: | and to some extent, broadcast radio |
| [17:11:04] | wagnerrp: | you know, that broadcast radio that is largely the music industry's only advertising arm? |
| [17:11:09] | wagnerrp: | the hand that feeds them? |
| [17:11:21] | wagnerrp: | they like biting at things |
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| [17:22:58] | MMlosh: | sphery, I have created the ticket: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9671 anything else I should do? |
| [17:23:22] | MMlosh: | If you have time.. can you please check I haven't omitted something important, please? |
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| [17:41:00] | MMlosh: | sphery, you were interested in my results in faster timestretch... here is the patch I created (NOT suggesting commiting it): http://www.fpaste.org/7LBe/ |
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| [17:44:37] | MMlosh: | but the first chunk creates a dead patch in the else statement (3<=play_speed<5).. not an issue for me; and easier to maintain as local modification |
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| [17:48:55] | sphery: | MMlosh: ticket looks good. thanks. |
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| [17:52:42] | MMlosh: | sphery, ok. I have met projects where the bugtracker is merely ignored, I assume this is not the case. Thanks for your help. A lot |
| [17:54:39] | sphery: | no, we'll get to tickets on the bug tracker... might take a while, but we'll get there eventually |
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| [18:02:56] | MMlosh: | sphery, ok.. that is nice... not every project manages to do that.. |
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| [19:15:50] | Perdignus: | Hi – I lost the preview images and links to the recordings in mythweb recently and have tried everything I can find to restore them, all to no avail. Where might a good place to start be? |
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| [20:24:39] | wagnerrp: | anyone remember the old set of patches that added SSL to the backend protocol |
| [20:25:42] | kormoc: | nope, tho it'd be complicated, no? |
| [20:25:55] | kormoc: | unless we'd just ignore the CA layer? |
| [20:26:10] | wagnerrp: | not looking to implement it personally |
| [20:26:23] | wagnerrp: | just wanted to forward it to the guy on the -dev list |
| [20:26:33] | wagnerrp: | IIRC, it was for 0.19 or something |
| [20:26:46] | wagnerrp: | it added some sort of transcode support as well |
| [20:26:48] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [20:26:51] | wagnerrp: | for streaming across the internet |
| [20:26:53] | kormoc: | he should just vpn |
| [20:27:27] | sphery: | agreed on vpn |
| [20:27:37] | sphery: | + python bindings for kicking off the recording |
| [20:27:44] | sphery: | you've got stuff for doing that, right? |
| [20:27:54] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [20:28:06] | wagnerrp: | the Record objects will set up the necessary fields, and trigger the scheduler |
| [20:28:13] | wagnerrp: | i dont have anything for direct recording (livetv) though |
| [20:29:04] | sphery: | no idea what specifically he's trying to do, but it sounded like real recordings |
| [20:29:18] | sphery: | and if all he needs is to kick them off, wonder why he's not using mythweb |
| [20:29:32] | sphery: | maybe he's waiting for someone to rewrite it in Python |
| [20:35:06] | MMlosh: | The timestretch is reset to 1x when time_remaining/time_stretch<2 ... which gives twice as much seconds at 2x and half as much at 0.5x.... is there a reason for that? |
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| [20:36:19] | MMlosh: | also – do you thing it would be a technical problem to play a recording time-stretched to the end (when the status is completely recorded) ? |
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| [20:37:33] | sphery: | MMlosh: I play recordings timestretched to the end all the time |
| [20:37:48] | sphery: | only live tv should stop timestretch when you approach the end |
| [20:38:01] | sphery: | or approach "now" |
| [20:38:12] | MMlosh: | yes.. that is the expected behavior |
| [20:38:29] | MMlosh: | are you using the master branch? I am using fixes/24 |
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| [20:38:45] | sphery: | I'm using fixes/0.4 |
| [20:38:47] | sphery: | er, 0.24 |
| [20:38:55] | MMlosh: | weird and strage |
| [20:39:10] | sphery: | have you tried without your patch? |
| [20:39:23] | MMlosh: | yes.. |
| [20:39:28] | MMlosh: | I patched today |
| [20:40:08] | MMlosh: | but this was annoying me.. maybe since I switched to 0.24 |
| [20:40:46] | MMlosh: | with the patch the problem becomes even bigger... it resets to 1x 10s before the recording ends |
| [20:42:33] | MMlosh: | which does not make much sense even for a livetv/currently_recording states |
| [20:42:57] | MMlosh: | I mean... at useless 5x speed it does that... of course :ú |
| [20:43:51] | FabriceMG: | le plus chiant avec clonezilla, c'est la definition de clavier azerty, jamais reussi |
| [20:44:33] | MMlosh: | sphery, do you think something in the database might be wrong since the upgrade to 0.24? |
| [20:45:25] | MMlosh: | the database might be quite broken.. perhaps the recordings aren't marked "done" at all or something |
| [20:45:43] | sphery: | that shouldn't be a problem |
| [20:46:29] | MMlosh: | why? |
| [20:46:47] | MMlosh: | the speed reset makes sense for recordings that are in progress (but not livetv) |
| [20:46:50] | sphery: | because of the way we keep track of recordings in progress |
| [20:46:56] | sphery: | not really a database thing |
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| [20:46:58] | MMlosh: | oh.. ok |
| [20:47:35] | MMlosh: | but something must be wrong with my setup if it works for you.. |
| [20:49:36] | MMlosh: | side note: I can't delete transcoding profiles... and PIP menu entry is missing.. is that normal? |
| [20:50:12] | sphery: | well, assuming it's using seconds, at 1.5x, that would slow down at just under 3s from the end, and we don't play to the end (because of the current design), plus I have the prompt at end of playback option on, so that stops playback at 2s from the end and prompts, so it's possible that it's slowing down |
| [20:50:18] | sphery: | and I just haven't noticed it |
| [20:51:07] | MMlosh: | oh.. that might make sense |
| [20:51:44] | MMlosh: | yes.. the code is_near_end checks by default for 2 seconds |
| [20:58:46] | MMlosh: | sphery, and I guess the prompt-at-end feature calls the is_near_end too... which gives you prompt instead of slowing down... no matter how big timestretch was |
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| [22:01:40] | Bop: | hello , does myth tv suport dvb-t ? |
| [22:01:50] | kormoc: | Bop, we support the linux tv standard, you'll want to look up specific card support on linuxtv.org |
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| [22:02:59] | kormoc: | Bop, so then yes, we support it |
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| [22:03:37] | Bop: | kormoc, u know debian package , what is called ? |
| [22:03:47] | kormoc: | no? |
| [22:04:44] | Bop: | ok |
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