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| [00:05:21] | kormoc: | NewBuntu81, just remember, you can avoid Blue Ball, PA via Bird in Hand, PA, but the only way to get to Paradise, PA is via Intercourse, PA |
| [00:05:37] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [00:06:19] | kormoc: | Mennonites had dirty, dirty minds or pure minds. Can't figure out which |
| [00:06:48] | Beirdo: | yeah, either very naive... or raunchy and pretending to be naive. |
| [00:07:13] | Beirdo: | either way, makes for a good laugh for us now |
| [00:08:23] | kormoc: | My favorite pa town joke thing was when Blue Ball National Bank gave mirror hanging blue balls for your car... I have to believe they knew what they were doing |
| [00:08:40] | Beirdo: | hehheh |
| [00:09:16] | NewBuntu81: | do you still need an .htaccess file for myth 0.24? |
| [00:09:39] | kormoc: | need? no, the .conf file handles everything it needs |
| [00:13:01] | NewBuntu81: | ok thanks |
| [00:19:21] | NewBuntu81: | gas near 4$ a gallon? again? |
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| [00:30:30] | Beirdo: | pfft |
| [00:30:35] | Beirdo: | so what? |
| [00:30:45] | kormoc: | Drivers... |
| [00:30:47] | ** kormoc shakes his head ** | |
| [00:30:56] | Beirdo: | move to Europe, I'm sure it's a lot higher yet |
| [00:31:22] | Beirdo: | and you can blame Libya this time |
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| [00:40:48] | NewBuntu81: | lol |
| [00:41:10] | NewBuntu81: | i want an electric hybrid car, and a windmill to power it and at least half of my house |
| [00:41:25] | wagnerrp: | if its electric, its not a hybrid |
| [00:41:37] | Beirdo: | and a pony to fart into the windmill to power it |
| [00:42:03] | NewBuntu81: | hahahaha |
| [00:42:20] | wagnerrp: | no one would really want a hybrid if they knew what the implications were |
| [00:43:22] | NewBuntu81: | i like the Volt's idea...electric car (electric propulsion), engine only as a generator to recharge batteries |
| [00:43:41] | wagnerrp: | that's not what the volt is |
| [00:43:44] | NewBuntu81: | i still think they should have made it diesel...but maybe it's too cold in northern US. Europe seems to do ok with diesel |
| [00:44:01] | wagnerrp: | the volt is a crummy hybrid with a planetary transmission like the prius |
| [00:45:11] | NewBuntu81: | lol. someone loves prius's |
| [00:45:51] | sphery: | and, besides, until we have clean mains power, plug-in electric cars are likely as bad--or worse--for the environment than gas |
| [00:46:02] | wagnerrp: | sphery: thats not true at all |
| [00:46:28] | wagnerrp: | its much easier to put industrial scrubbers on a coal smoke stack than something similar on a mobile gasoline engine |
| [00:47:01] | sphery: | wagnerrp: which would make mains power clean |
| [00:47:02] | wagnerrp: | not to mention you can have significantly higher thermal efficiencies, even accounting for transmission and storage losses |
| [00:47:08] | sphery: | versus the not-clean stuff we have now |
| [00:48:01] | wagnerrp: | anyway... all of the existing hybrid vehicles with their 30hp electric motors are garbage |
| [00:48:27] | wagnerrp: | they provide limited benefit beyond just having a small vehicle with a small engine |
| [00:49:26] | wagnerrp: | NewBuntu81: there are two advantages of an electric vehicle |
| [00:49:41] | wagnerrp: | you have an electric motor that can double as a generator for regenerative breaking |
| [00:50:07] | wagnerrp: | and your gasoline/diesel/turbine generator is small and decoupled from the drive train, so it can always run at optimal rpm |
| [00:50:37] | wagnerrp: | existing hybrids have too small of an electric motor, so they really dont get significant recovery from breaking |
| [00:51:01] | NewBuntu81: | ok |
| [00:51:15] | wagnerrp: | and the coupled transmission means the engine runs at too large a range to be very efficient |
| [00:51:16] | NewBuntu81: | well just the regenerative breaking must add 50% you'd think |
| [00:51:48] | wagnerrp: | when you couple in the amount of extra weight added by the more complex transmission, the additional motor (or two), the battery pack |
| [00:51:56] | wagnerrp: | you would be just as well off with a slightly larger engine |
| [00:52:05] | wagnerrp: | and scrap the whole hybrid crap |
| [00:52:34] | wagnerrp: | and when you actually calculate the real fuel economy, not including the fake economy that considers the pre-charge |
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| [00:52:49] | wagnerrp: | no electric motor and a slightly larger engine would end up coming out ahead |
| [00:54:10] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: id like to stifle the appletv guy |
| [00:55:08] | iamlindoro: | I was a nice boy |
| [00:55:15] | iamlindoro: | I didn't lock the ticket or anything |
| [00:55:57] | wagnerrp: | you could warn him that with xvmc disabled, the ATV wont be capable of more than SD content |
| [00:56:22] | wagnerrp: | i presume the CHD stuff only works in linux? |
| [00:57:17] | sphery: | regenerative braking can't add 50%... that would imply that the only energy use is accelerating |
| [00:57:40] | wagnerrp: | sphery: what it does negate is the losses from city driving |
| [00:57:56] | wagnerrp: | that is IF your motor is actually powerful enough to fully handle the braking needs |
| [00:58:02] | wagnerrp: | and its not |
| [00:58:59] | sphery: | yeah, in city regenerative wouldn't be bad |
| [00:59:23] | sphery: | and you have to have batteries/charger capable of accepting the load, too |
| [00:59:25] | sphery: | and most aren't |
| [00:59:30] | sphery: | they can only take a small part of it |
| [00:59:36] | sphery: | from my understanding, at least |
| [00:59:54] | wagnerrp: | so you use a bank of supercaps |
| [01:00:20] | wagnerrp: | something like 50lbs worth would have enough storage capacity for a full size car (~3500lbs) to decelerate from around 60mph |
| [01:01:05] | wagnerrp: | do away with the battery, do away with the big motor |
| [01:01:24] | wagnerrp: | size a generator to provide enough power for sustained cruise at 90mph |
| [01:01:34] | NewBuntu81: | well it isn't just breaking though is it? |
| [01:01:38] | wagnerrp: | and then just use the cap bank as a energy buffer |
| [01:01:51] | NewBuntu81: | it'd be like a big alternator while you drive....also storing energy |
| [01:02:10] | wagnerrp: | what would be storing energy? |
| [01:02:31] | NewBuntu81: | well obviously batteries |
| [01:02:39] | wagnerrp: | what do you need batteries for? |
| [01:02:43] | NewBuntu81: | or whatever they come up with next :-) |
| [01:03:24] | NewBuntu81: | cars have 1 alternator...for the main 12v battery |
| [01:03:31] | NewBuntu81: | but what if each wheel also had an alternator? |
| [01:03:40] | NewBuntu81: | and you could store that energy somewhere and use it later |
| [01:03:44] | NewBuntu81: | plus the breaking power |
| [01:03:48] | wagnerrp: | you mean an electric motor? |
| [01:04:13] | NewBuntu81: | sure |
| [01:04:31] | wagnerrp: | motors and generators are the same thing |
| [01:04:51] | wagnerrp: | specifically asynchronous induction motors |
| [01:04:53] | kormoc: | NewBuntu81, so... regenerative breaking? |
| [01:05:19] | wagnerrp: | you slip forward and push energy in, you slip backward and pull energy out |
| [01:05:22] | kormoc: | NewBuntu81, or you mean while driving? |
| [01:05:27] | NewBuntu81: | while driving too |
| [01:05:34] | wagnerrp: | its fairly trivial to switch between the two |
| [01:05:39] | NewBuntu81: | remember the bicycles with the light that is run by the wheel turning? |
| [01:05:40] | NewBuntu81: | that's power too |
| [01:05:42] | kormoc: | NewBuntu81, so you want to use more energey to generate less energy? |
| [01:05:52] | kormoc: | NewBuntu81, at a cost of energy requirements |
| [01:05:57] | wagnerrp: | you cannot change a battery or capacitor with AC electricity |
| [01:06:05] | wagnerrp: | you must rectify it before you can do so |
| [01:06:07] | kormoc: | NewBuntu81, it costs more then 1W to generate 1W |
| [01:06:15] | NewBuntu81: | ok |
| [01:06:25] | NewBuntu81: | solar panels? turn O2 into something? LOL jk |
| [01:06:42] | wagnerrp: | so you have your big electric motor, that doubles as a generator for breaking |
| [01:06:44] | NewBuntu81: | i dont know, i just think they need to put more ppl on it to research. i feel like we're only getting to hear what the oil companies want us to hear |
| [01:06:58] | kormoc: | NewBuntu81... ughh... one of them... |
| [01:07:05] | NewBuntu81: | :-) |
| [01:07:12] | NewBuntu81: | used to work for the oil birds |
| [01:07:14] | wagnerrp: | and then you have your gas/diesel/turbine engine with a generator, completely independent |
| [01:07:51] | NewBuntu81: | currently the electric bill or gas bill (heating/home) don't irritate me nearly as much as filling up my car. |
| [01:08:08] | kormoc: | so don't drive? |
| [01:08:13] | wagnerrp: | the generator kicks in when energy in the capacitor is low, and shuts down when energy is high |
| [01:08:26] | wagnerrp: | and only stores enough for a couple minutes of driving, or acceleration to full speed |
| [01:08:36] | wagnerrp: | no heavy batteries |
| [01:08:39] | wagnerrp: | no complex drive trains |
| [01:08:59] | wagnerrp: | just a big, reliable, maintenance free motor |
| [01:09:13] | wagnerrp: | and a generator in the trunk that can be easily swapped for replacements if it breaks |
| [01:10:08] | wagnerrp: | the problem with this plan is that big motor |
| [01:10:08] | NewBuntu81: | i dont have all of the answers. i'm just dreaming i guess...that someone out there in one of these countries will figure something out |
| [01:10:17] | wagnerrp: | theyre expensive because theres hardly any market |
| [01:10:24] | wagnerrp: | theres hardly any market because theyre so expensive |
| [01:10:33] | kormoc: | NewBuntu81, there's no magical hidden invention out there |
| [01:10:36] | wagnerrp: | its a catch 22, and no one is willing to step up and do things properly |
| [01:11:54] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: actually, the magical hidden invention is called muon fusion |
| [01:12:10] | wagnerrp: | and the hidden part is figuring out how to get the binding rates high enough to get positive energy out of it |
| [01:14:09] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, it's only magical and hidden if the oil companies bought it or killed the inventors |
| [01:14:22] | NewBuntu81: | lmao |
| [01:14:40] | knightr: | NewBuntu81, I'm using MythWeb with Fedora 14 (compiled from source though not the Atrpms packages you are using) |
| [01:15:32] | NewBuntu81: | Charlie Sheen is really milking this...he's going on tour now. |
| [01:15:39] | sphery: | I take the don't drive approach, myself |
| [01:15:43] | kormoc: | #teamsheen |
| [01:15:50] | wagnerrp: | NewBuntu81: hes out of a job, has to fund his habits somehow |
| [01:15:55] | sphery: | but not because of gas cost or philosophy--just because it works for me |
| [01:16:11] | kormoc: | yeah, I just don't enjoy driving anymore |
| [01:16:27] | NewBuntu81: | I love to drive. I hate to fly. |
| [01:17:42] | sphery: | flying isn't bad |
| [01:17:59] | kormoc: | the TSA on the other hand... |
| [01:18:01] | sphery: | it's sitting around the airport for >8hrs when they cancel your flight--but don't tell you until you're in line to check in |
| [01:18:07] | Beirdo: | landig sucks... without a plane. |
| [01:18:16] | sphery: | did that on /both/ sides of my most recent trip |
| [01:18:24] | kormoc: | rough |
| [01:18:39] | wagnerrp: | thats what your mother said last night |
| [01:19:05] | sphery: | they tell you to be at the airport >2hrs before departure (and I was there about 1 1/2 hrs early), but they never make decisions about cancellations or admit to delays until within maybe an hour |
| [01:20:17] | Beirdo: | well, they may not even know until then |
| [01:20:24] | Beirdo: | storms happen, etc |
| [01:20:28] | Beirdo: | still sucks though |
| [01:21:00] | sphery: | yeah, it's not the airline's fault |
| [01:21:02] | kormoc: | wait? I saw a tv station where they tell you what weather they're gonna create later that day |
| [01:21:22] | Beirdo: | the lack of communications is the airlines though |
| [01:21:25] | kormoc: | they shouldn't be creating these storms! I'm gonna write to Obama and tell him to knock it off! |
| [01:21:31] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [01:21:48] | sphery: | heh |
| [01:21:52] | Beirdo: | kormoc: I think you've been walking past too many crackpots lately |
| [01:22:03] | kormoc: | likely so... I do live in Belltown |
| [01:22:12] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [01:22:14] | kormoc: | I'm also on like 2 hours of sleep |
| [01:22:30] | Beirdo: | oh oh. beware of super-kormoc |
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| [01:25:25] | Beirdo: | OK, I think I give up for today. Time to go home |
| [01:26:11] | [R]: | so not only does david blain do magic... but he also writes code? |
| [01:26:23] | kormoc: | Man of many talents |
| [01:26:32] | [R]: | lol |
| [01:26:42] | [R]: | oh, i guess the magician is blaine |
| [01:26:52] | kormoc: | Stage name |
| [01:27:02] | [R]: | really... |
| [01:27:11] | [R]: | david white |
| [01:27:12] | [R]: | interesting... |
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| [02:08:08] | Beirdo: | this is wonderful |
| [02:08:23] | Beirdo: | my HDPVR doesn't come back even after a power cycle? |
| [02:08:44] | [R]: | how long did you leav eit off? |
| [02:08:51] | Beirdo: | the usual |
| [02:08:55] | Beirdo: | 15s orso |
| [02:09:01] | [R]: | hrm, thatsodd |
| [02:09:38] | [R]: | my hdpvr is like 97%ish |
| [02:12:02] | wagnerrp: | ive never had an HDPVR fail |
| [02:13:25] | Beirdo: | OK, it liked it this time |
| [02:13:54] | Beirdo: | [11525516.479381] hdpvr 2–5:1.0: Non-NULL drvdata on register |
| [02:13:55] | Beirdo: | [11525526.460897] hdpvr 2–5:1.0: unexpected answer of status request, len -110 |
| [02:14:02] | Beirdo: | that's what it was doing |
| [02:14:08] | Beirdo: | this time it came up |
| [02:14:45] | [R]: | that's what she said? |
| [02:14:47] | [R]: | haha |
| [02:15:09] | Beirdo: | blah blah blah |
| [02:15:36] | [R]: | grr |
| [02:15:38] | [R]: | i hate it whne theres no sound |
| [02:17:42] | Beirdo: | quick connects are here |
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| [02:43:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: ah, you lucky. Mine occasionally need to be powered off to recover... |
| [02:43:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Oh wait, do you even have one? ;-) |
| [02:43:49] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [02:44:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Yeah, dawned on me about 3 seconds after I hit enter. ;-) hehehehehe... |
| [02:44:35] | wagnerrp: | my highschool's football team never lost a game |
| [02:44:50] | wagnerrp: | undefeated the whole time i was down there |
| [02:45:49] | [R]: | all 5 years? |
| [02:46:06] | wagnerrp: | uh huh |
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| [02:46:10] | [R]: | lol |
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| [02:46:32] | wagnerrp: | ? |
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| [02:52:27] | wagnerrp: | david schlenk stole a cookie from the cookie jar |
| [02:54:10] | iamlindoro: | I like how it went from "I have it working" to the current state |
| [02:54:20] | iamlindoro: | Got a bit ahead of himself with the bragging |
| [02:54:40] | iamlindoro: | ie, doesn't actually view videos |
| [02:54:49] | wagnerrp: | near ready for release though |
| [02:55:05] | iamlindoro: | heh |
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| [03:13:32] | sphery: | So, am enjoying Running Wilde and I know why it got cancelled--besides the fact that it was on Fox--it got Foxed. Episodes aired out of order, no real advertising for it, no real desire from Fox to make it work. |
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| [03:18:00] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, they wouldn't get a huge welcome message when they ssh to their mythtv box |
| [03:19:08] | clgshaft: | Anyone know how to fix the hardware not allowed to send error with lirc? |
| [03:19:17] | wagnerrp: | heh, i still have the stock freebsd welcome, its like 25 lines long |
| [03:21:26] | sphery: | well, at least it's not a script that polls mythbackend once/min then creates a new welcome message for you |
| [03:21:32] | clgshaft: | Sorry error says hardware does not support sending |
| [03:21:35] | sphery: | (or however frequently it's polling) |
| [03:21:39] | [R]: | clgshaft: get new hardware? |
| [03:21:48] | clgshaft: | Lol |
| [03:21:59] | clgshaft: | I could do that |
| [03:22:08] | sphery: | I still think you have lirc using input devices that use the kernel's keyboard driver for the remote and are not using a lirc driver for the remote |
| [03:22:21] | clgshaft: | The remote works, but not the blaster |
| [03:22:28] | sphery: | it's the same hardware |
| [03:22:38] | sphery: | same driver stuff |
| [03:22:47] | clgshaft: | sphery: How do I find out what it is using |
| [03:22:58] | sphery: | I don't know the mceusb stuff |
| [03:23:13] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i dont know why they dont have something in their bashrc to poll the status |
| [03:23:20] | sphery: | but since you said, "about half the buttons work", it screams "not the right driver" to me |
| [03:23:26] | clgshaft: | Is it in the cong |
| [03:23:30] | clgshaft: | Confirm |
| [03:23:40] | clgshaft: | Conf file? |
| [03:23:59] | sphery: | find out what drivers you have loaded with: lsmod |
| [03:24:09] | clgshaft: | sphery: Try installing another driver? |
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| [03:24:54] | sphery: | wagnerrp: they may be doing that... don't remember how exactly it's working, but I half remember a polling process so that you didn't have to wait for all the communications/scraping/processing to occur on login |
| [03:25:02] | sphery: | clever: lsmod to pastebin |
| [03:25:14] | sphery: | er, clgshaft |
| [03:25:27] | sphery: | sorry clever--he left so my autocomplete missed |
| [03:26:09] | ** clever goes back to sleep ** | |
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| [03:26:28] | clgshaft: | sphery: what am i looking for? |
| [03:26:58] | wagnerrp: | im going to say porn |
| [03:27:10] | sphery: | clgshaft: please pastebin the output |
| [03:29:07] | clgshaft: | http://pastebin.com/kKKR2Y3L |
| [03:30:22] | wagnerrp: | http://bash.org/?46953 |
| [03:32:43] | NewBuntu81: | Success with Mythweb thanks to knightr! |
| [03:33:25] | sphery: | clgshaft: my WAG is that you need to put "blacklist mceusb" into a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| [03:34:00] | sphery: | I'm guessing that having both mceusb and (later) lirc_mceusb loaded is the problem |
| [03:34:14] | clgshaft: | ok |
| [03:34:22] | clgshaft: | how do i remove? |
| [03:34:40] | sphery: | create the file, put "blacklist mceusb" into, then reboot |
| [03:35:07] | sphery: | easiest way to make sure a) everything is init'ed in the right order, and b) that it will work properly not only now, but also when you next reboot |
| [03:35:35] | sphery: | "but this is leenoox, not Winders, so you don't ever have to reboot" |
| [03:35:55] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ok, so why is that side bash.org? |
| [03:35:58] | sphery: | site |
| [03:36:31] | wagnerrp: | because its amazing... http://bash.org/?4281 |
| [03:37:17] | sphery: | just seems not related to bash |
| [03:37:26] | sphery: | unless they mean it in the party sense |
| [03:37:31] | sphery: | in which case, why the org? |
| [03:38:13] | clgshaft: | i can call the file anything? |
| [03:39:27] | sphery: | clgshaft: as long as it ends with .conf |
| [03:39:36] | wagnerrp: | seems 'submitting a quote is sometimes referred to as "bashing".' |
| [03:39:37] | sphery: | so, fix_stupid_lirc_transmit.conf |
| [03:39:58] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ahhh... makes sense. I have to say, this one is funny: http://bash.org/?244321 |
| [03:40:50] | clever: | lol :) |
| [03:41:14] | sphery: | still think it would be better at bash.com or bash.<anything except org> |
| [03:41:30] | sphery: | unless there is a non-profit or not-for-profit organization associated with it |
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| [03:44:49] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i think the best one on there is a toss up between http://bash.org/?99060 and http://bash.org/?349567 |
| [03:46:44] | sphery: | heh, I like the 2nd |
| [03:47:15] | sphery: | http://bash.org/?287414 is also funny |
| [03:47:17] | clever: | yeah, 2nd is better |
| [03:47:44] | clever: | this is the one problem with bash.org, once you start you cant stop:P |
| [03:47:52] | sphery: | no joke |
| [03:47:59] | sphery: | thanks for wasting my evening, wagnerrp |
| [03:48:05] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [03:48:29] | sphery: | http://bash.org/?330261 is funny, too |
| [03:49:10] | wagnerrp: | thats almost more sad than anything else |
| [03:49:51] | clever: | ive seen a few of those good ones before |
| [03:50:10] | clever: | ive spent hours before just reading random quotes and pasting half of them to an irc room |
| [03:50:14] | clever: | now its your turn! :P |
| [03:52:42] | wagnerrp: | http://bash.org/?814888 |
| [03:54:44] | clever: | http://bash.org/?59726 |
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| [03:58:56] | clgshaft: | sphery: now the pc wont boot |
| [03:59:57] | clgshaft: | cant ssh either |
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| [04:00:48] | sphery: | clgshaft: are you getting any error messages on boot? |
| [04:01:04] | sphery: | try unplugging the mceusb thing and booting |
| [04:01:25] | clgshaft: | no i just see all the boot files and it is stuck on fedora 14 bar |
| [04:02:13] | clgshaft: | progress bar |
| [04:02:15] | sphery: | try unplugging itand rebooting |
| [04:02:20] | clgshaft: | i am |
| [04:02:26] | sphery: | wagnerrp: for you (I'm sure you've seen it) http://bash.org/?400459 |
| [04:02:28] | clgshaft: | looks like it is working |
| [04:03:05] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [04:03:15] | clgshaft: | ok i have boot in again |
| [04:03:31] | clgshaft: | did the blacklist work? |
| [04:03:33] | wagnerrp: | that reminds me, one of my frontends isnt booting |
| [04:03:41] | sphery: | clgshaft: and all you had was a file in /etc/modprobe.conf/something.conf that had "blacklist mceusb" ? |
| [04:03:42] | wagnerrp: | never came back online after a re-image |
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| [04:04:16] | clgshaft: | i put it at the bottom of /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf |
| [04:04:19] | ** sphery has never heard of a system failing to boot because a driver was blacklisted ** | |
| [04:05:16] | sphery: | (a peripheral driver, especially) |
| [04:05:38] | clgshaft: | should have i put a header or space? |
| [04:05:42] | clgshaft: | quotes? |
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| [04:05:55] | sphery: | no quotes |
| [04:06:06] | sphery: | just plain: blacklist mceusb |
| [04:06:45] | clgshaft: | i did |
| [04:07:19] | clgshaft: | http://pastebin.com/rvUcAMvH |
| [04:07:32] | sphery: | yeah, that should be right |
| [04:07:34] | clgshaft: | there are other headings, not sure of that makes a difference |
| [04:07:43] | sphery: | # lines are comments |
| [04:07:47] | sphery: | so ignored |
| [04:07:50] | clgshaft: | ok |
| [04:07:54] | sphery: | like blank lines |
| [04:08:23] | clgshaft: | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1594799 says to blacklist lirc_mceusb |
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| [04:08:38] | sphery: | could try that |
| [04:08:45] | sphery: | remember, mine was just a guess |
| [04:08:49] | clgshaft: | try that whole guide? |
| [04:09:03] | sphery: | try blacklisting lirc_mceusb? |
| [04:09:34] | clgshaft: | boot with plugged in |
| [04:10:34] | sphery: | ah, that's a blacklist lirc_mceusb, create a new initrd, boot with that, change some config, unblacklist lirc_mceusb, then blacklist mceusb, thing |
| [04:10:58] | sphery: | oh, no, that's 2 different options |
| [04:11:29] | sphery: | one for blacklisting lirc_mceusb and one for blacklisting mceusb |
| [04:11:38] | clgshaft: | you lost me |
| [04:12:29] | clgshaft: | option 1 or 2 |
| [04:12:49] | sphery: | if you're using fedora, the specifics of rebuilding the Ubuntu initramfs won't apply, but on http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9984844&postcount=4 , a lot of people are saying option 2 (blacklist mceusb) works |
| [04:13:19] | sphery: | so just have to figure out how to get it to work without locking up Fedora's boot stuff |
| [04:13:22] | clgshaft: | skip step b |
| [04:13:29] | sphery: | probably some Fedora-specific approach required |
| [04:14:08] | sphery: | their config is expecting something that you don't have when you blacklist mceusb, so you need to use their configuration tools to tell it not to use mceusb but to use lirc_mceusb instead |
| [04:14:16] | sphery: | or something |
| [04:14:30] | sphery: | note that I don't know Ubuntu, Fedora, or mceusb stuff |
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| [04:16:16] | clgshaft: | hmm |
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| [04:16:40] | MylesMan: | I have a quick question, if %date calls the date in a theme file, how do i call the short date? |
| [04:17:32] | sphery: | within a template, %SHORTDATE% |
| [04:17:42] | sphery: | (for clock) |
| [04:18:13] | MylesMan: | thx |
| [04:18:26] | MylesMan: | thats what i needed |
| [04:18:47] | MylesMan: | the graphite clock is too small 4 my eyes |
| [04:18:51] | sphery: | fwiw, I didn't know, but just searched for shortdate at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Theme_Development |
| [04:19:25] | MylesMan: | and anything above <font> clock is too big |
| [04:19:54] | MylesMan: | and anything above <font> clock </font> is too big to fit |
| [04:21:10] | iamlindoro: | !seen RDV_Linux |
| [04:21:10] | MythLogBot: | RDV_Linux was last seen 24 days 18 hours 45 minutes 32 seconds ago |
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| [04:33:52] | clgshaft: | i cant find anything related to fedora and blacklist mceusb |
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| [04:47:11] | clgshaft: | hardware.conf was booting mceusb2 |
| [04:47:36] | wagnerrp: | so youre running an older kernel then |
| [04:47:39] | clgshaft: | changed that to lirc_mseusb and blacklisted mceusb |
| [04:47:56] | clgshaft: | no thats just the conf i created |
| [04:52:44] | clgshaft: | well that didnt work |
| [04:53:05] | clgshaft: | doesnt want to boot with mceusb blacklisted |
| [04:57:59] | clgshaft: | anyone know if the ir blaster works for the 2250? |
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| [05:12:26] | clgshaft: | are there other options besides lirc for changing channels on a cable box? |
| [05:12:50] | [R]: | firewire |
| [05:13:07] | clgshaft: | i would need a new box for that |
| [05:13:16] | clgshaft: | is that easy to setup? |
| [05:13:21] | [R]: | no |
| [05:13:30] | clgshaft: | ok |
| [05:14:23] | clgshaft: | are there any blasters that dont require lirc? |
| [05:14:55] | [R]: | lirc is how you use blasters in linux |
| [05:15:18] | clgshaft: | ok, well it doesnt work for me |
| [05:15:45] | [R]: | that sucks |
| [05:18:15] | clgshaft: | your telling me |
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| [06:29:05] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you still up? |
| [06:30:44] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo? |
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| [06:33:36] | Beirdo: | aye |
| [06:33:38] | Beirdo: | I'm here |
| [06:33:51] | wagnerrp: | you were intending to look into reworking the database logger, right? |
| [06:33:55] | Beirdo: | was just off adjusting some fantasy baseball salaries |
| [06:34:05] | Beirdo: | database and file, yes |
| [06:34:17] | wagnerrp: | have you done any looking yet? |
| [06:34:27] | wagnerrp: | i mean do you know much about the internal workings of it? |
| [06:34:53] | wagnerrp: | im going to pull times for scheduler runs out of the database logs for the smolt stuff |
| [06:34:56] | Beirdo: | of the current stuff? not much, but how I intend to rework it, I know |
| [06:35:06] | wagnerrp: | and found it odd to find old logs from 2009 in there |
| [06:35:11] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [06:36:52] | wagnerrp: | it would appear to all be crap i inserted manually while screwing around with the bindings |
| [06:37:09] | wagnerrp: | but why it never got deleted, i've no idea |
| [06:37:45] | Beirdo: | ahh, couldn't say |
| [06:38:44] | wagnerrp: | also, im getting variance in scheduler runs between 1.5 and 8 seconds |
| [06:38:53] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if i should grab them all and pull an average |
| [06:39:04] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:39:14] | wagnerrp: | then theres this one way out at 243 |
| [06:39:18] | Beirdo: | wow |
| [06:39:22] | wagnerrp: | maybe do a stddev and drop the outliers |
| [06:39:34] | Beirdo: | yeah, that might be a good plan |
| [06:39:36] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that was one caused by heavy swapping |
| [06:39:54] | Beirdo: | or report min, max, mean, stddev :) |
| [06:40:27] | wagnerrp: | should i just take the overall? or do match and place independently? |
| [06:40:53] | Beirdo: | it is likely good to have them separate |
| [06:43:00] | Beirdo: | argh. beveragefactory didn't split the shipment like they said they would |
| [06:43:09] | Beirdo: | backordering is retarded. |
| [06:43:48] | Beirdo: | but I got my Trooper LP |
| [06:44:06] | Beirdo: | from sphery's hometown |
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| [06:49:16] | wagnerrp: | stupid regular expression, why will you not match |
| [06:49:25] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [06:49:39] | [R]: | you didnt feed them their fiber? |
| [06:49:55] | [R]: | so they're irregular... |
| [06:50:19] | wagnerrp: | its not even a difficult one |
| [06:50:30] | wagnerrp: | http://pastebin.com/xe2nRFjH |
| [06:51:13] | [R]: | that's whta she said? |
| [06:51:33] | Beirdo: | don't think you need \. inside [] |
| [06:51:40] | Beirdo: | only . |
| [06:51:55] | wagnerrp: | but '.' will match anything |
| [06:52:09] | Beirdo: | the item count is useful too |
| [06:52:12] | Beirdo: | not in [] |
| [06:52:19] | [R]: | wagnerrp: have you tried breaking the line apart? |
| [06:52:24] | Beirdo: | [] means "any of these characters" |
| [06:52:25] | [R]: | and testing each expression one by one? |
| [06:52:35] | Beirdo: | . is a character in that context |
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| [06:53:04] | Beirdo: | the \. shouldn't hurt, though, I'd think |
| [06:53:13] | Beirdo: | however |
| [06:53:15] | Beirdo: | the + |
| [06:53:20] | Beirdo: | HAS to be \+ |
| [06:53:32] | Beirdo: | and I think that's the core issue there :) |
| [06:53:38] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that was it |
| [06:53:56] | Beirdo: | heh, I missed it the first time through |
| [06:54:50] | Beirdo: | 2011-03–09 22:46:24.450 MainServer::HandleVersion – Client speaks protocol version 65 but we speak 64! |
| [06:54:53] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [06:55:30] | Beirdo: | I can restart in 5min, that should get fixed :) |
| [06:55:55] | Beirdo: | that's what happens when you upgrade mythpreviewgen while the backend is recording |
| [06:56:26] | Beirdo: | and the perl bindings gacked |
| [06:56:40] | Beirdo: | and the python too, I think. sweet, the trifecta |
| [06:56:48] | justinh: | call that the xbmc error ;) |
| [06:57:08] | Beirdo: | nah, the stupid moron upgrading a running system error |
| [06:57:12] | wagnerrp: | nah, 'cause xbmc would simply reconnect as client protocol 64 |
| [06:57:33] | justinh: | or is that more "Client speaks protocol version 1 .. version 2 ... version 3 ... version 4..." ;-) |
| [06:57:35] | Beirdo: | I do this to myself fairly often, running master in production |
| [07:02:47] | Beirdo: | and fixed |
| [07:03:04] | justinh: | so industrious |
| [07:03:06] | Beirdo: | just needed to restart the backend and frontend |
| [07:04:18] | Beirdo: | hahah |
| [07:04:25] | Beirdo: | mythweb, however... |
| [07:04:53] | Beirdo: | I guess it's about time I upgraded it |
| [07:05:29] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: seems that 243s run was a good 8 sigma off the men |
| [07:05:30] | wagnerrp: | mean |
| [07:05:47] | wagnerrp: | id call that an outlier |
| [07:06:34] | wagnerrp: | what do you think... discard at 3 sigma? 4? |
| [07:07:37] | Beirdo: | 3 should do well, I'd think, yeah |
| [07:08:10] | wagnerrp: | ill just do one pass to discard, and then recompute as is |
| [07:09:05] | justinh: | oh brother. an editor on the site I admin posted a 2 line thing about a dog show the club is hosting so I pressed him for some more info about it. he says he'll leave the (printed out) forms etc at the club house for me to put on the site. WTH is wrong with some people? |
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| [07:16:42] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: http://pastebin.com/9dK3NX4T |
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| [07:18:28] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [07:19:28] | wagnerrp: | oddly, i have 70 recordings scheduled, and there are 70 log entries |
| [07:19:38] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [07:19:41] | Beirdo: | interesting |
| [07:19:45] | wagnerrp: | i had to do a double take to make sure i actually averaged the recording count right |
| [07:19:58] | wagnerrp: | 'wait... is that right?' |
| [07:19:58] | Beirdo: | OK, how do I tell mythweb the path to the PHP bindings? |
| [07:20:08] | Beirdo: | and why isn't that in the documentation |
| [07:20:28] | wagnerrp: | because theyve only existed a couple weeks? |
| [07:20:44] | Beirdo: | yah |
| [07:20:50] | wagnerrp: | i honestly dont recall where i stuffed mine on my web server |
| [07:21:06] | Beirdo: | hardcoded in the main php file. sigh |
| [07:21:41] | Beirdo: | or passed in in $_SERVER, which I do not know how to set |
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| [07:23:25] | Beirdo: | Use the apache SetEnv directive to set arbitrary $_SERVER variables in your vhost or apache config. |
| [07:23:28] | Beirdo: | SetEnv varname "variable value" |
| [07:23:29] | Beirdo: | easy. |
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| [07:27:48] | Beirdo: | hahaha |
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| [07:27:58] | Beirdo: | all the preview pics are borked. |
| [07:28:02] | Beirdo: | what did I break now |
| [07:28:24] | wagnerrp: | are they pulled in through proto or xml? |
| [07:28:38] | Beirdo: | over http |
| [07:28:45] | wagnerrp: | ... |
| [07:28:52] | Beirdo: | ... what? |
| [07:28:57] | wagnerrp: | how does mythweb get them |
| [07:29:04] | Beirdo: | over http |
| [07:29:09] | wagnerrp: | so xml |
| [07:29:13] | wagnerrp: | the xml interface |
| [07:29:14] | Beirdo: | from the builtin http server |
| [07:29:30] | wagnerrp: | the one that was rewritten and the preview generator moved |
| [07:29:47] | Beirdo: | hehe, right, that path did change |
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| [07:29:50] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [07:31:26] | wagnerrp: | i was going to say if you fix it, than 'ref #9646' |
| [07:31:40] | wagnerrp: | but we dont get commit messages from the other repositories do we? |
| [07:31:45] | wagnerrp: | only mythtv? |
| [07:31:51] | Beirdo: | correct |
| [07:32:23] | Beirdo: | hey look. |
| [07:32:39] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [07:32:42] | Beirdo: | myth_recent_recordings.pl is working again for me |
| [07:32:42] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [07:32:54] | Beirdo: | it's part of my misc status on the backend |
| [07:33:02] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [07:33:33] | Beirdo: | I'll likely go fix the previews tomorrow in a slow time at work |
| [07:34:06] | wagnerrp: | i guess that means trac cannot point at the other repositories either, can it? |
| [07:35:19] | Beirdo: | nope |
| [07:35:28] | Beirdo: | trac is designed for one repo |
| [07:35:43] | Beirdo: | if you can think of a way to get around that... |
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| [07:36:09] | Beirdo: | interesting |
| [07:36:22] | Beirdo: | it gets previews...up to Feb 26 |
| [07:36:56] | wagnerrp: | probably ones already generated and accessible directly through the file system |
| [07:37:02] | wagnerrp: | when is the last time you pulled up mythweb? |
| [07:37:11] | Beirdo: | and then I forced a reload... and they're gone :) |
| [07:37:19] | wagnerrp: | or cached locally.... |
| [07:37:25] | Beirdo: | it was cached locally |
| [07:37:39] | Beirdo: | no biggie, it's a work in progress |
| [07:38:55] | Beirdo: | my status page still works as I don't have the commit yet where that path also got changed |
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| [08:09:02] | Beirdo: | OK, the fix is two-fold... in the php bindings and in mythweb |
| [08:10:40] | Beirdo: | I'll have it ready in a moment |
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| [08:21:42] | Beirdo: | might as well fix the status page while I'm at it... with current master |
| [08:29:22] | Beirdo: | OK, fixed |
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| [08:46:18] | sphery: | wagnerrp: database logging is only enabled if a user actively enables "Log MythTV events to database" (LogEnabled, defaults to false). Records are left in the DB until there are > LogMaxCount entries for a module and are only cleaned if LogCleanEnabled (and will be cleaned up once every LogCleanPeriod days). Or, if an entry is acknowledged (in the frontend's System Status screen), it will be kept for LogCleanDays, regardless of ... |
| [08:46:24] | sphery: | ... LogMaxCount. Or, entries older than LogCleanMax days will be deleted, regardless of LogMaxCount.. |
| [08:47:51] | Beirdo: | bed for me |
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| [15:56:47] | jarle: | xris or kormoc around? Trying to figure out a mythweb bug... |
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| [15:59:57] | clgshaft: | For lirc ir blasters do you need firmware added in the firmware folder? |
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| [16:30:41] | wagnerrp: | xris, jams: as it stands, the server just ignores and drops any information it isnt programmed to record |
| [16:31:08] | wagnerrp: | i not looked into the server code at all to see if it makes sense to store additional arbitrary values |
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| [16:35:28] | jams: | yes i am aware it drops any info..what prompted that statement? |
| [16:36:09] | jams: | *any info that it doesn't know about |
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| [16:37:58] | wagnerrp: | jams: the other name in the poke, xris |
| [16:38:20] | wagnerrp: | he wants to know why we cant just arbitrarily store anything we want |
| [16:38:29] | jams: | i see |
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| [16:38:38] | wagnerrp: | theres also some discussion in #mythtv about just dumping the entire settings table in |
| [16:47:19] | jams: | i see. saw gbee mention it but that was about it |
| [16:48:27] | wagnerrp: | yeah, xris was onthe mailing list |
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| [16:49:55] | jams: | suppose you could treat it like the devices and have it be a seperate table |
| [16:50:47] | gizmobay: | I have a TV Wonder as a backup card. It has a loopback cable. I know use pulseaudio so the sound no longer works. Anyone know how to fix? |
| [16:50:57] | gizmobay: | *I now use |
| [16:50:58] | jams: | could even set it up to create tables on the fly. Storing it easy..storing it in a way to report on it, well thats more of a problem. |
| [16:51:52] | wagnerrp: | gizmobay: drop pulseaudio and get a real hardware encoder card |
| [16:52:31] | gizmobay: | I have a PVR150 |
| [16:52:40] | gizmobay: | I just use the tv wonder as backup |
| [16:52:51] | wagnerrp: | get another 150, trash the framegrabber |
| [16:52:55] | gizmobay: | trying to decide if I should just pull it |
| [16:53:15] | gizmobay: | yeah the video is horrible |
| [16:57:19] | jams: | wagnerrp- my opinion is to get something running with most of the stuff we want, then re-eval as needed |
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| [17:15:06] | sphery: | wagnerrp: did you see my reply about the DB logging |
| [17:15:28] | sphery: | was a bit late |
| [17:16:37] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that volume is done by module, not total |
| [17:16:51] | wagnerrp: | and is it the logger itself that cleans up? or the housekeeper? |
| [17:18:35] | sphery: | housekeeper, IIRC |
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| [17:19:03] | sphery: | yeah, housekeeper |
| [17:19:26] | sphery: | and, FWIW, I plan to remove /all/ of those settings in the logging rewrite |
| [17:19:32] | sphery: | will just do the right thing, instead |
| [17:19:58] | sphery: | no need for users to be able to control stuff--especially since it will be usable as a secondary logging mechanism in addition to some primary |
| [17:21:49] | sphery: | but I think the fact that db logging defaults to off (and anyone like me who tried it and realized it's useless will have turned it back off) makes it an unreliable source for data |
| [17:23:49] | wagnerrp: | well the file logs really arent usable as a source of data either |
| [17:24:18] | wagnerrp: | but at least in this case, the data grabber defaults to zero values if it cant find any data |
| [17:25:08] | sphery: | well, on the bright side, that's /almost/ correct for mysystem |
| [17:25:41] | wagnerrp: | all those tuners and that 'record everything' rule dont slow things down? |
| [17:25:58] | sphery: | heh, nope |
| [17:26:27] | sphery: | 2011-02–21 05:30:35.583 Scheduled 374 items in 3.4 = 1.53 match + 1.86 place |
| [17:26:44] | wagnerrp: | well ive been placing on average 3 seconds, with a stddev of 1.7 |
| [17:26:56] | wagnerrp: | so im all over the place depending on system load |
| [17:27:17] | wagnerrp: | including one way the hell out at 243 seconds (i was about 1.5GB into swap at that point) |
| [17:27:51] | wagnerrp: | i programmed it to drop outliers like that one |
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| [17:28:19] | sphery: | with 113 rules, 35 channels, 20K programs... just cleaned out several rules, though, since I've been watching or deleting cancelled shows. (Was almost identical before deleting the 5 or so rules.) |
| [17:28:51] | sphery: | note, also, that a reschedule for -1 (full reschedule) will be /very/ different from a reschedule for 0 or >0 |
| [17:30:01] | wagnerrp: | any way to tell the difference in the logs? |
| [17:30:39] | sphery: | in log files: 2011-02–21 05:30:32.165 Reschedule requested for id -1. |
| [17:30:44] | sphery: | don't know if that goes in the DB, though |
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| [17:32:21] | wagnerrp: | then theres the 'last message repeated <n> times' mess |
| [17:32:37] | sphery: | yeah |
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| [17:32:49] | sphery: | this is why we need to throw away the old db logging stuff and redo it :) |
| [17:33:34] | sphery: | though I hear that storing 1B rows in the db log table might not be a good plan... could take a day to do a query |
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| [17:36:51] | sphery: | wagnerrp: btw, your comment to stuarta in #mythtv... are users complaining about the auto-detection of UI painter, again? |
| [17:37:09] | wagnerrp: | didnt catch the mailing list post? |
| [17:37:46] | sphery: | the one about Menu Navigation Suddenly Inop ? |
| [17:37:49] | wagnerrp: | i said there wasnt much point collecting information on the painter used, since it is now selected automatically |
| [17:38:06] | wagnerrp: | he said it would be good for tallying users with legacy hardware |
| [17:38:10] | sphery: | ah, that list... haven't caught up there |
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| [17:52:31] | sphery: | wagnerrp: and the mfdb runs will be 0 for me, also ( mythfilldatabaseLastRunStart=2011-03–09 07:49, mythfilldatabaseLastRunEnd=2011-03–09 07:49 --we don't do seconds resolution, and mine only takes seconds, even with --dd-grab-all |
| [17:53:31] | wagnerrp: | well we do do second resolution in the logdb |
| [17:53:48] | sphery: | for those who enable it :) |
| [17:53:50] | wagnerrp: | but i dont think run times would really matter unless its taking >>1 minute |
| [17:53:58] | sphery: | agreed |
| [17:54:13] | wagnerrp: | similarly, schedule runs only matter when they get into the tens of seconds |
| [17:55:04] | sphery: | yeah |
| [17:57:23] | sphery: | btw, would you prefer the timezone info coming from the new services api stuff instead of myth proto? |
| [17:57:40] | wagnerrp: | services api? |
| [17:57:45] | sphery: | I have a patch for it, but wasn't planning to push until I have the code to use it |
| [17:57:49] | sphery: | the mythxml stuff |
| [17:58:03] | wagnerrp: | oh, probably doesnt make a real difference |
| [17:58:07] | sphery: | ok |
| [17:58:16] | sphery: | didn't know if the xml would be easier or what |
| [17:58:30] | wagnerrp: | although it would be nice to get the version information over XML |
| [17:58:41] | wagnerrp: | rather than running 'mythbackend --version' |
| [17:58:52] | sphery: | that sounds like a good idea |
| [17:59:11] | wagnerrp: | especially since people could do something foolish, like... not install the backend |
| [17:59:21] | sphery: | yeah, and many do |
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| [17:59:37] | sphery: | it's /very/ easy to add new things to the framework |
| [17:59:56] | sphery: | I'll throw together a patch for that today and bounce it of David |
| [18:01:06] | sphery: | ideas on name? /Myth/Version ? or make it more generic so we can include other stuff ( /Myth/Info ?)? |
| [18:01:52] | wagnerrp: | either works |
| [18:02:07] | wagnerrp: | info would be more runtime information stuff |
| [18:02:41] | sphery: | ok, can always start with version and add another that also includes version, if necessary |
| [18:02:44] | Captain_Murdoch: | I'd say /Myth/VersionInfo since it could include all --version info. |
| [18:03:07] | Captain_Murdoch: | could also have schema version added, etc.. |
| [18:03:22] | wagnerrp: | versions, plural |
| [18:03:38] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah. but getting less plural. :) |
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| [18:03:51] | sphery: | heh, VersionInfo sounds good |
| [18:04:05] | wagnerrp: | ive got 14 currently |
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| [18:04:11] | wagnerrp: | but a lot of those are defunct plugins |
| [18:04:26] | wagnerrp: | flix, phone, tube |
| [18:04:36] | wagnerrp: | plus there are separate Web and Browser |
| [18:04:57] | sphery: | we might actually be able to do the schema version in --version output (and reuse the functionality for this), now |
| [18:05:28] | sphery: | before we had an issue--we never actually created a context/connected to the DB when doing --version output |
| [18:05:48] | sphery: | was thinking that changed... if not, it would definitely be possible in the xml stuff |
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| [18:10:36] | wsuetholz: | Hello, I've been looking into organizing my recordings better, and have a few questions regarding storage groups, recording groups, and playback groups. I have been reading the wiki's and doing google searches.. |
| [18:10:55] | wagnerrp: | shoot |
| [18:10:57] | wsuetholz: | Presently all my recordings go into the "default" recording group. |
| [18:11:22] | wsuetholz: | If I add a new recording group, do I need a new corresponding storage group? |
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| [18:11:30] | wagnerrp: | recording groups are really just intended as a filtering mechanism |
| [18:11:31] | wsuetholz: | what about playback groups? |
| [18:11:44] | wagnerrp: | so in the 'watch recordings' screen, you can filter for only certain recordings |
| [18:12:06] | wagnerrp: | playback groups define certain playback settings to be used for a certain group of recordings |
| [18:12:20] | wagnerrp: | and storage groups tell mythtv where to store the recordings |
| [18:12:49] | wsuetholz: | so I don't need to define different storage groups, but I could if I felt like it? |
| [18:13:11] | jarle: | xris or kormoc: when I try to access the tv listings in mythweb through my phone where user agent is "Android" I get this error: "Warning at /var/www/mythweb/ modules/tv/list.php, line 49: !!NoTrans: require_once(modules/tv/ tmpl/iPod/list.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory!!" |
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| [18:14:08] | jarle: | any idea where changes have to be done to solve this? It works fine when identifying as "Desktop" for example..) |
| [18:14:25] | rhpot1991: | is there a current known issues with HDPVR recordings having a wildly inaccurate playtime in the osd? |
| [18:14:59] | kormoc: | jarle, we removed all the ipod template detection already. it shouldn't ever attempt to use that template |
| [18:15:09] | iamlindoro: | rhpot1991: how current is your code? |
| [18:15:44] | wagnerrp: | wsuetholz: exactly |
| [18:15:54] | rhpot1991: | iamlindoro: 2:0.24.0+fixes.20110309.13be9c2–0ubuntu0mythbuntu2 |
| [18:15:58] | jarle: | kormoc: Maybe I should make sure that my mythweb is up to date then, however it is not too long ago that I installed it from scatch... |
| [18:16:06] | iamlindoro: | rhpot1991: The HDPVR likes to reset itself and break timecodes, but we've worked around its brokenness in at least master, not sure about .24 |
| [18:16:19] | jarle: | kormoc: scratch... |
| [18:16:34] | iamlindoro: | elmojo would know for sure if the right fixes have been backported, but he's not here |
| [18:16:44] | rhpot1991: | iamlindoro: I just started noticing it within the past week or so |
| [18:16:52] | rhpot1991: | it seems old recordings are still ok |
| [18:17:03] | rhpot1991: | I think my HDPVR firmware is out of date, I may try updating that |
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| [18:19:44] | sphery: | old recordings won't have the new info that's wrong |
| [18:19:45] | wsuetholz: | Thank you for your clarifications. That was said in the WIKI, but it doesn't hurt to hear it again (so to speak) |
| [18:20:25] | jarle: | kormoc: any idea when the ipod detection was removed? |
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| [18:20:39] | sphery: | wsuetholz: and, yeah, you don't need new storage groups (and they don't make any sense unless you're purposefully trying to segregate some recordings). recording groups are basically user-defined tags for the recordings |
| [18:20:48] | sphery: | so you can filter the Watch Recordings page by them |
| [18:21:34] | wsuetholz: | On another slightly related note... I just installed a HDPVR on a slave backend. I set it up to NFS mount the /myth fs from the master backend. Very poor performance. |
| [18:21:54] | sphery: | jarle: long ago http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 65761#465761 |
| [18:22:18] | kormoc: | jarle, dec 20 |
| [18:22:19] | sphery: | jarle: but unstable, only, I think |
| [18:22:30] | wsuetholz: | So, I'm thinking about putting an actual HD in the slave backend. Would I be able to view recordings made on it on any frontend if it's recordings also ended up under /myth in it's local tree. |
| [18:23:01] | wsuetholz: | The docs seem to say yes, but again I'm looking for reassurance.. :-) |
| [18:23:08] | kormoc: | sphery, no, that change went to 0.24 fixes as well |
| [18:23:30] | wagnerrp: | wsuetholz: yes, the frontend will connect to the backend and stream the recording over mythproto |
| [18:23:45] | wagnerrp: | there would be no need to set up NFS or any other file sharing of that sort |
| [18:23:56] | wsuetholz: | so each frontend connects to all the backends? |
| [18:24:12] | wagnerrp: | each frontend connects to the master backend |
| [18:24:23] | sphery: | kormoc: ah, reference must have just gotten lost, then, without the commit hooks |
| [18:24:24] | wsuetholz: | server:/myth/tv/... and slave:/myth/tv/... |
| [18:24:25] | kormoc: | jarle, sphery, and there, all mentions of it are gone from code now |
| [18:24:27] | wagnerrp: | they will additionally connect to slave backends for the sole purpose of accessing recordings |
| [18:24:42] | jarle: | sphery: I'm running 0.24-fixes, backend updated a couple of weeks ago, not sure if mythweb was updated then, but it is at least using the same db-version... |
| [18:24:45] | wagnerrp: | recordings/videos/anything else over file transfers |
| [18:25:12] | sphery: | jarle: db version never changes in a -fixes version, except for dire circumstances |
| [18:25:23] | sphery: | (and even then would now get a .1) |
| [18:25:56] | sphery: | you'll have to use git/package tools/... to find the version and update if required |
| [18:26:06] | sphery: | or just update, anyway |
| [18:26:07] | rhpot1991: | sphery: ya I wasn't sure if it was something OSD related or seektable related |
| [18:27:00] | sphery: | rhpot1991: I think it's recording markup--we're inserting a bad value for the total time (which is meant only to provide a time for the UI) because of how the HD-PVR encodes |
| [18:27:36] | wsuetholz: | The reason it's currently doing NFS, is the slave backend was a frontend only not too long ago with just a 12G SSD, so theres no local storage yet.. |
| [18:27:38] | sphery: | if nothing else, elmojo knows about the issue--and has been /very/ good about backporting all necessary fixes (since he uses 0.24-fixes himself) |
| [18:27:49] | sphery: | so if it's not yet backported, it likely will be soon |
| [18:27:57] | jarle: | sphery: ok, I'll update mythweb then, and give it another go... :) |
| [18:28:15] | rhpot1991: | sphery: alright I'll keep an eye on new builds and ping him if I don't see it after a while, thanks |
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| [18:31:11] | jarle: | sphery and kormoc: "git pull" gave me this (among other things) -> "delete mode 100644 modules/tv/tmpl/iPod/detail.php" There we have it... |
| [18:31:31] | sphery: | ok, so now that trac seems to be highlighting all hex strings of a certain minimum length and linking them to github changes, I'm wondering if it would link something like, "MythTV crashed deaddeaddead" |
| [18:32:04] | sphery: | jarle: yay... this is why we suggest running the same revision of everything (frontend/backend/mythweb) :) |
| [18:32:15] | kormoc: | jarle, it existed as a file, but the code to load up the template was removed back in december, it shouldn't have been able to be set to that template from that point on |
| [18:32:20] | sphery: | not to mention running current -fixes of everything (to get the fixes) |
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| [18:33:54] | ** sphery starts running a brute-force hack to find a change to mythtv that would give me a git hash of deaddeaddead ** | |
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| [18:51:24] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [18:51:29] | Beirdo: | silly sphery |
| [18:51:45] | kormoc: | Beirdo, (Shameless promotion) https://livingsocial.com/deals/15095?ref=conf-jp&rpi=7941105 |
| [18:52:58] | Beirdo: | they are open again? |
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| [18:53:33] | kormoc: | Beirdo, no idea, but 3 hour cooking class + dinner for $25 seems good |
| [18:53:40] | Beirdo: | it does |
| [18:53:47] | Beirdo: | especially Ethiopian :) |
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| [18:55:04] | Beirdo: | there ya go |
| [18:55:05] | wagnerrp: | ethiopian food? |
| [18:55:12] | wagnerrp: | didnt know they had such a thing |
| [18:55:20] | Beirdo: | hehe, silly boy |
| [18:56:01] | wagnerrp: | i guess its different ways of preparing red cross foodstuffs? |
| [18:56:03] | Beirdo: | nice and tasty food too. they don't always have drought, you know |
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| [18:58:55] | wagnerrp: | well im expecting to catch some flak from a slashdot comment, i called someone's volkswagen junk |
| [18:59:07] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:59:29] | wagnerrp: | he was complaining that with diesel so expensive, its no longer economical to buy a diesel |
| [18:59:37] | Beirdo: | you shoulda gone one further and called em a nazi for driving a nazi car |
| [19:00:00] | wagnerrp: | except in a pure energy per cost comparison, diesel is still on par with standard unleaded |
| [19:00:01] | Beirdo: | at the 60mpg that the VW diesels get, how is it not economical? |
| [19:00:21] | wagnerrp: | (considering diesel is considerably more energy dense than gasoline) |
| [19:00:48] | wagnerrp: | so if its more expensive to fuel a diesel, that must mean the diesel car is (gasp) less efficient |
| [19:00:58] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:01:11] | wagnerrp: | oh the rivers will run red... |
| [19:01:16] | Beirdo: | stop using your brain, you'll hurt it |
| [19:02:33] | ** sphery finally figures it out... wagnerrp is an oil exec ** | |
| [19:02:40] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:03:00] | wagnerrp: | dont oil companies sell diesel too? |
| [19:03:27] | sphery: | yeah, but you're saying good stuff about diesel |
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| [19:03:33] | sphery: | (and bad stuff about his car) |
| [19:03:36] | sphery: | so you must be an oil exec |
| [19:04:03] | wagnerrp: | no, im just applying logic to make his statements mean bad things about his car |
| [19:04:07] | Shadow__X: | reminds me when fry(futurama) found the vw bus |
| [19:04:20] | sphery: | only an oil exec would use sound logic to explain the truth |
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| [19:29:53] | Beirdo: | you sunk their battleship? |
| [19:30:19] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:30:21] | Beirdo: | nice one |
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| [20:19:20] | wagnerrp: | hey kormoc, looks like sourceforge runs on mongodb |
| [20:21:33] | sphery: | Is http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9592#comment:1 just a case of "user needs to rescan"? |
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| [21:27:31] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, yeah? |
| [21:28:56] | wagnerrp: | i just know your feelings on mongodb |
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| [23:00:44] | clgshaft: | Does an ir blaster require firmware in the firmware folder? |
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| [23:03:29] | sphery: | clgshaft: I recommend posting a question about how to get your IR transmitter working to the mythtv-users mailing list (include specific details of which transmitter/remote version, distro and distro version, and anything else you think may be helpful). Far more eyes will see the question--including many who use the same hardware and distro you're using. |
| [23:04:21] | sphery: | in case it's not clear after days (weeks?) of asking in here, it's unlikely for you to find the right person hanging out here when you need his help :) |
| [23:04:48] | sphery: | and you will almost definitely get some help from (a very specific) the right person on the list |
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| [23:51:36] | wagnerrp: | odds on '#1 cheerleader camp.mpg' being porn? |
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