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Tuesday, March 8th, 2011, 00:03 UTC
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[00:04:30] wagnerrp: sphery: are you saying get rid of QUERY_RECORDINGS all together?
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[00:10:15] sphery: wagnerrp: yeah, was considering it... not used within mythtv code--only used by bindings
[00:10:32] wagnerrp: and mythweb
[00:10:36] wagnerrp: what does the frontend use?
[00:10:41] sphery: the function that loads programs will still exist and be used by mythxml...
[00:10:45] sphery: ah, forgot to check mythweb
[00:11:20] sphery: ah, yeah, nvm... there are some usages
[00:13:24] wagnerrp: any suggestion on where i can find a good CA database?
[00:13:36] wagnerrp: seems im feeding a bad one to postfix
[00:13:43] wagnerrp: so its not accepting gmail's cert
[00:13:48] wagnerrp: and refusing to relay through
[00:17:18] sphery: wagnerrp: http://www.openssl.org/support/faq.html#USER16 , but the script they link no longer works... I hacked it to make it work, but haven't actually made my apps start using the new bundle
[00:17:31] sphery: doesn't take much to hack it
[00:17:55] wagnerrp: well i think i pulled the one i need off geotrust
[00:17:59] wagnerrp: lets see if this works...
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[00:19:43] wagnerrp: untrusted issuer....
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[00:22:04] wagnerrp: what is the cvs address supposed to be?
[00:22:53] wagnerrp: surely not [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[00:23:29] wagnerrp: kormoc: you still in or have you left?
[00:23:37] kormoc: still here
[00:24:16] wagnerrp: have you actually tried our 0.24 ebuilds?
[00:24:53] kormoc: nope
[00:25:04] kormoc: other people claim to be running them tho
[00:25:46] wagnerrp: http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /311702.html
[00:26:01] wagnerrp: could we just replace the normal '/' in sed with '#' or something?
[00:26:18] wagnerrp: i dont know if portage runs sed directly, or if it has its own sed-like command
[00:27:25] kormoc: well, it works in 0.25, so we should have to just copy that line over from 0.25 to 0.24
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[00:28:26] mtrax: hi, I've been getting a few segfaults lately for the 24-fixes, but I dont have a backtrace should I still report it?
[00:28:37] wagnerrp: it works in 0.25 because 0.25 is branch 'master'
[00:28:46] wagnerrp: seems the sed line is choking on 'fixes/0.24'
[00:29:08] wagnerrp: mtrax: is mythtv segfaulting? or is X terminating?
[00:29:20] mtrax: mythfrontend[5682]: segfault at 400170cc ip 08282eb4 sp 9ec1aeec error 4 in myth frontend[8281000+2000]
[00:29:32] mtrax: mythfrontend terminates back to X
[00:29:35] wagnerrp: find your core file
[00:29:56] wagnerrp: if you cant find one, 'man ulimit' to figure out how to enable core files
[00:30:07] wagnerrp: wait until it crashes again, and open the core file in gdb to make a backtrace
[00:30:45] wagnerrp: if not that, we would at the very least need a '-v all' to try to narrow down what its doing
[00:31:02] wagnerrp: but debugging segfaults without a backtrace can be very difficult
[00:32:00] mtrax: todate I haven't had any just in the last few weeks I've noticed it
[00:32:57] mtrax: no man file for ulimit on my F13 system
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[00:48:19] kormoc: wagnerrp, ahh! that makes sense
[00:48:53] wagnerrp: back to the original question, would using '#' instead of '/' in the sed argument work with that version of sed?
[00:49:15] kormoc: I'm pretty sure it won't, but only one way to tell
[00:50:56] ** Beirdo plays some Queen. **
[00:51:21] Beirdo: another one bites the dust...
[00:51:32] ** wagnerrp plays some Massive Attack **
[00:51:51] wagnerrp: dissolved girl would become dust... right?
[00:52:10] Beirdo: hehe
[00:53:52] kormoc: Ashes to Ashes... Dust to Dust...
[00:53:53] Beirdo: all these years later, and I still like this song
[00:54:01] kormoc: People to... People?
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[00:54:36] mtrax: any idea where the core files would be saved?
[00:54:52] kormoc: cwd
[00:55:17] Beirdo: people are people?
[00:55:24] wagnerrp: Beirdo: whats not to love? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6812654184516506185#
[00:55:32] awalls: peop
[00:55:34] wagnerrp: millions of people?
[00:55:41] kormoc: People for me?
[00:56:01] wagnerrp: people come in a can
[00:56:15] kormoc: They were put there by a man
[00:56:22] Beirdo: I saw this commercial on TV once.
[00:56:30] Beirdo: sooo bad
[00:56:36] awalls: in a factory downtown
[00:56:39] Beirdo: I still laughed pretty hard though
[00:56:47] wagnerrp: if i had my little way, id eat people every day
[00:57:17] awalls: nature's candy in a..
[00:57:51] awalls: <mumble> or pie.
[00:59:16] Beirdo: wagnerrp: that commercial is proof that not all commercials are pointless crap.. Some are funny crap :)
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[01:00:41] NewBuntu81: nice song, wagnerrp
[01:02:38] JEDIDIAH___: canned soylent green?
[01:03:59] wagnerrp: yes, canned by the president of the united states
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[01:05:48] ** Beirdo wants to bugger off **
[01:06:46] kormoc: Lump sat alone in a buggy marsh, totally motionless except for her heart...
[01:06:53] Beirdo: gotta get to Lowes and buy another hole saw to abuse
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[01:07:17] Beirdo: 1951 steel >> crappy hole saw
[01:07:26] sphery: Beirdo: go for diamond-tipped
[01:07:33] Beirdo: heh
[01:07:49] Beirdo: I might get carbide dust tipped
[01:07:55] Beirdo: I only need one more hole
[01:08:00] sphery: you can get some good ones at Jared, The Galleria of Jewelry
[01:08:04] Beirdo: haha
[01:08:17] Beirdo: I will never darken their door
[01:08:24] sphery: heh
[01:08:39] sphery: then you won't have people saying, "He went to Jared"
[01:08:44] Beirdo: whew
[01:08:57] ** sphery shouldn't admit to knowing those commercials... MythTV commercial detection and all... **
[01:08:59] Beirdo: "he bought into the ad campaign"
[01:09:03] sphery: heh
[01:09:17] Beirdo: besides, diamonds are boring
[01:09:35] Beirdo: I'd rather see sapphires or emeralds
[01:09:51] sphery: maybe you can find an adamantium hole saw
[01:10:01] Beirdo: less likely to have funded a war in Africa too
[01:10:10] sphery: true
[01:10:31] sphery: Leo taught us all about those blood diamonds
[01:10:42] Beirdo: heh
[01:10:45] Beirdo: yeah.
[01:11:09] sphery: I have to decide which mouse to use with this computer...
[01:11:20] Beirdo: the one that squeaks loudest
[01:11:39] sphery: old (but nicer, 6-button) laptop mouse or new 4-button mouse
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[01:12:22] sphery: hmmm... 7-button laptop mouse
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[01:12:23] mtrax: ok got core file for trying to watch DVD.. but this isn't my initial problem.
[01:12:33] mtrax: but just the same.
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[01:13:09] Beirdo: OK, enough of this. I'm going to Lowes
[01:13:21] Beirdo: one more hole saw... and a file, please.
[01:13:30] sphery: good luck
[01:13:37] Beirdo: danke
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[01:27:06] judget: I know that my ip addresses are correct. What else can cause the MythTV is using all inputs but there are no active recordings?
[01:28:21] kormoc: a weird state that restarting the backend will fix?
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[01:36:47] judget: unfortunately no kormoc
[01:38:22] judget: i am thionking that the tuner is for some reason not recording a stream
[01:38:53] judget: since when u wtach tv we are actually watching it after it has been recorded right
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[02:01:17] kubes1: hello, can one change the format that the myth backend stores it video files? I was looking to use h.264.
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[02:02:56] wagnerrp: yes
[02:03:27] wagnerrp: a. move to europe and record broadcast h264
[02:03:38] wagnerrp: b. buy an HDPVR and record locally compressed h264
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[02:06:41] kubes1: Thanks. So content is always stored in its received as format? And transcoded on playback?
[02:06:54] Unhelpful: can't mythtranscode convert recordings offline?
[02:07:24] wagnerrp: why would you transcode on playback? you DECODE on playback
[02:07:34] wagnerrp: mythtranscode can transcode things at a later time
[02:07:40] wagnerrp: but it is not capable of h264
[02:08:02] wagnerrp: and unless youre using an old framegrabber, mythtv will record content exactly as it receives it from the tuner/capture card
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[02:09:35] ** Unhelpful could swear there's a script around for mencoder or ffmpeg transcode **
[02:09:56] wagnerrp: nuvexport, but that transcodes for export, not in place
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[02:10:07] kubes1: Was looking at using a Roku of really similar like some some of these other SOC video systems. They seem to only decode h264
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[02:39:53] JEDIDIAH___: Yes. The $100 media players seem to all have similar limitations.
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[02:48:09] Beirdo: OMG
[02:49:46] Beirdo: use the correct tool, and the job is infinitely easier
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[02:52:00] [R]: that's what she said
[02:52:02] [R]: HAHA
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[03:43:31] adub: did a recent update fix hdmi audio for some
[03:43:42] adub: update
[03:44:00] adub: i added .24 updates for mythbuntu and magically again hdmi audio works
[03:44:11] [R]: hdmi audio has been working forever for me
[03:44:15] adub: oh
[03:44:22] adub: it worked for me a while back then stopped working
[03:44:24] adub: now it works again
[03:44:32] adub: i just took some updates
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[03:53:39] sphery: Annoyingly effective marketing... CBS has been running a plate just before shows that just says, "Chaos is Coming." I had no idea what it meant, but it made me look it up and find out about their upcoming new series, Chaos, premiering on Apr 1.
[03:56:23] wagnerrp: its a trap
[03:57:00] [R]: the british version of the office is awful
[03:57:06] [R]: i can't understand like half the stuff the yare saying
[03:57:17] wagnerrp: youre going to tune in, and get reruns of the retarded race
[04:00:11] [R]: wtf
[04:00:15] [R]: do british people really talk like this?
[04:00:50] wagnerrp: crikey!
[04:01:16] [R]: the us office stole this show like word for word
[04:01:17] [R]: its crazy
[04:01:47] wagnerrp: yeah, pretty much
[04:02:02] wagnerrp: i wonder how much different life on mars was
[04:02:26] [R]: was?
[04:02:41] wagnerrp: ?
[04:02:46] [R]: huh?
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[04:03:36] wagnerrp: life on mars, its a tv show
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[04:04:04] [R]: oh
[04:04:05] [R]: lol
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[04:11:45] iamlindoro: life on mars was very different
[04:12:28] iamlindoro: he was in the ICU and woke up in the last episode, but couldn't deal with being back in "present day" so jumped off a building at the end trying to get back to his coma
[04:12:41] iamlindoro: oh, and spoiler alert
[04:12:49] wagnerrp: we dont speak of the abysmal endings of that show in here
[04:13:02] iamlindoro: Yeah, the above was the UK version
[04:13:03] wagnerrp: the last episode was only 28 minutes long
[04:13:38] iamlindoro: and the plots were basically entirely different too... only the premise was sort of the same
[04:14:30] wagnerrp: surely the british version didnt have someone reciting Vanilla Ice to the Black Panthers
[04:14:47] iamlindoro: no ;)
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[04:16:01] wagnerrp: thats how i roll
[04:17:47] iamlindoro: UK series had a spin-off too
[04:17:58] iamlindoro: set in the early 80s
[04:18:14] iamlindoro: and IIRC at the end the retconned the flashback world into purgatory
[04:18:19] wagnerrp: WTF
[04:18:35] wagnerrp: how do you have a spinoff of a show where the old real character killed themselves at the end
[04:18:56] adub: wagnerrp check your hdmi audio bro
[04:18:59] iamlindoro: with a new character entirely set in the same flashback world
[04:19:20] wagnerrp: i dont use hdmi audio
[04:19:30] adub: i know you said you took an update and it stopped
[04:19:34] adub: are you .24
[04:19:41] ** kormoc blinks at adub **
[04:19:49] [R]: i'm not your bro, pal
[04:19:54] wagnerrp: i did a kernel, alsa, and a whole bunch of other crap update... and it stopped
[04:20:06] adub: try it again
[04:20:25] adub: well what os
[04:20:29] wagnerrp: im perfectly content with analog
[04:20:44] wagnerrp: considering im sending it to a tv with a pair of tinny 10W speakers
[04:21:10] [R]: i'm so glad i got full 5.1 digital passthrough working on my tv
[04:21:59] iamlindoro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUfts9dfZ9I&feature=related
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[04:22:38] wagnerrp: yeah, i was going to respond that... but then i realized neither bro nor pal were parts of the bit
[04:22:44] [R]: haha
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[05:07:44] NewBuntu81: Hi All. Quick question. I'm trying to set up Mythweb using apache2 (httpd). I got a page to show in the browser. However, I cannot get the mythweb contents to show. Any hints?
[05:08:00] NewBuntu81: I'm following instructions at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Initial_Installation
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[05:09:36] tgm4883: sphery, you win, i'm changing all of my recordings to any time any channel
[05:10:11] tgm4883: i just missed a crapton of recordings for what appears to be no apparent reason
[05:17:01] Beirdo: metric crapton?
[05:23:25] tgm4883: Beirdo, Nope, i'm pretty sure it's imperial
[05:26:15] Beirdo: hehe :)
[05:40:19] clgshaft: hey guys
[05:40:42] clgshaft: why would my lirc give back a command that my device does not support sending?
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[06:34:57] clgshaft: any lirc experts here?
[06:35:05] clgshaft: dont know how to fix this
[06:35:08] clgshaft: [root@mythtvmain ~]# irsend SEND_ONCE DCT700 info
[06:35:09] clgshaft: irsend: command failed: SEND_ONCE DCT700 info
[06:35:09] clgshaft: irsend: hardware does not support sending
[06:35:09] clgshaft: [root@mythtvmain ~]#
[06:35:58] Beirdo: stop trying to send out a receiver
[06:36:28] clgshaft: ??
[06:38:01] clgshaft: im sending out a receiver?
[06:38:15] Beirdo: that's what the error seems to be indicating
[06:38:48] clgshaft: ok, so what should i send?
[06:39:08] clgshaft: im trying to test lirc
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[06:43:34] Beirdo: I think you may wanna read lirc docs
[06:43:53] Beirdo: we all stumbled through it at one point.
[06:46:41] justinh: IR sending is something still fairly new to me too, but I figured it out
[06:47:31] justinh: that's one of the things with lirc docs – they're not so good at pointing out some stuff. Dots have to be joined by users
[06:47:38] clgshaft: i have been reading and trying for about 5 hours
[06:48:23] justinh: the irsend command has a device option IIRC
[06:48:56] clgshaft: ok
[06:48:57] justinh: oh and if you've not configured lirc to allow transmission you'll get the error about sending not being supported
[06:49:15] clgshaft: how to i allow transmission?>
[06:50:06] justinh: by having suitable parameters configured in your lircd.conf file. of course
[06:50:46] clgshaft: umm ok, i have my stb info in there
[06:51:20] clgshaft: is that wrong?
[06:51:30] justinh: not necessarily
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[06:52:24] justinh: oh yeah hardware.conf has a part to play too
[06:54:02] justinh: are you running ubuntu perchance?
[06:54:14] justinh: if you are it has a wizard to help you
[06:54:39] clgshaft: fedora
[06:55:11] clgshaft: if i am using a mce, should lircd.conf have the mceusb or my dct2000?
[06:56:06] justinh: the remote codes for everything you want to be able to send or receive have to be in lircd.conf
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[06:56:23] clgshaft: ok, i have those in there
[06:56:50] justinh: but if your hardware.conf file isn't properly set up, sending won't work
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[06:57:28] clgshaft: i set that up too
[06:57:42] justinh: with TRANSMITTER lines?
[06:57:54] justinh: e.g. TRANSMITTER="Serial Port (UART)" ??
[06:58:03] clgshaft: and put include "hardware.conf" in lircd.conf after end remote
[06:58:04] justinh: TRANSMITTER_MODULES="lirc_dev lirc_serial" etc ?
[06:58:21] justinh: no, you don't include hardware.conf in lircd.conf
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[06:59:50] justinh: erm.. why isn't hardware.conf mentioned in the lirc docs?
[07:00:13] clgshaft: http://pastebin.com/j8qkvEsJ
[07:00:32] clgshaft: thats the hardware.conf
[07:00:46] [R]: becaue hardware.conf is a debian/ubuntu bastardization
[07:00:55] justinh: [R]: that figures
[07:00:58] [R]: lol
[07:01:28] justinh: so where does the info ubuntu/debian keeps in hardware.conf live in real life?
[07:01:45] [R]: its just used in the init script
[07:01:54] [R]: how to start lirc, what modules to load, and what params to pass it
[07:02:02] [R]: dpkg-reconfigure will rewrite it
[07:02:02] Beirdo: I want beer. Why can't my stuff be here already?
[07:02:32] justinh: [R]: ahh
[07:02:44] justinh: [R]: that's a bit nasty
[07:03:08] justinh: although it's probably just there to make life easier for users without rewriting lirc
[07:03:34] clgshaft: anyway to start over? erase everything i did?
[07:03:49] justinh: clgshaft: you don't really have to
[07:04:11] justinh: clgshaft: if lircd is running, stop it
[07:04:11] clgshaft: ok, well i cant find an answers
[07:04:41] clgshaft: stopped
[07:04:46] justinh: clgshaft: I can't run lirc on my backend box, cos its serial port is busy looking after the UPS – and my frontend isn't switched on so I can't look at that either
[07:06:27] justinh: clgshaft: it's likely just a matter of running lircd with the right parameters – maybe even rebuilding it if you built it from source
[07:06:50] clgshaft: i dont know how i built it
[07:07:00] justinh: how did you install it?
[07:07:07] clgshaft: lirc?
[07:07:11] justinh: yes
[07:07:14] clgshaft: yum install lirc
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[07:09:40] justinh: maybe you just need to run lircd to tell it to use a transmitter as well as a receiver
[07:09:54] clgshaft: ok how do you do that?
[07:10:13] justinh: I suspect by editing the script which runs lirc
[07:10:31] clgshaft: ok
[07:10:38] justinh: or you can test it by doing it from the commandline first
[07:10:38] clgshaft: ill keep researching
[07:11:13] clgshaft: ive tried everything
[07:12:06] clgshaft: thanks
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[07:14:29] justinh: LOL even this webpage I found about configuring lirc on fedora for ir blasting goes on about rebooting after making config file changes. SIGH
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[07:15:05] justinh: hahahahaha AND mysql warnings generated by the server
[07:17:10] clever: :(
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[07:19:57] justinh: heck even for modprobe.conf changes a user should really only need to unload the module & reload it
[07:20:25] justinh: or maybe log out & back in again for some kinds of changes.. but surely not reboot
[07:21:43] clever: reboot is only needed if the hardware is severely confused or the module is linked into the kernel
[07:22:26] justinh: aye but building lirc into the kernel is umm... is that even allowed? lol
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[08:46:52] Beirdo: bed
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[09:03:13] rooaus: testing
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[10:07:19] s0126h: what hardware does mythtv work with
[10:16:31] AndyCap: s0126h: most hardware that works with linux. What type of hardware are you thinking of?
[10:31:54] hashbang: morning, all!
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[12:01:22] wagnerrp: !url tuners
[12:01:23] MythLogBot: tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information
[12:01:28] wagnerrp: s0126h; ^^^^
[12:13:19] veehexx: whats the deal with resume from suspend and mythbackend process? it seems to be crashing my machine – do i need todo something specific to enter suspend/wakeup?
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[12:53:27] wagnerrp: sphery: finally, a worthwhile use for 3D displays
[12:53:36] wagnerrp: full screen multiplayer
[12:53:57] wagnerrp: each user gets their own angle, rather than split-screen
[12:54:47] veehexx: so your going to need polarizing layer on the tv too?
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[13:00:41] justinh: hmm nokia have got rid of Qt. Boo
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[13:31:23] skd5aner: justinh: nokia did not get rid of Qt, they just sold off the licensing aspect of it
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[14:19:27] sphery: wagnerrp: much better than the 3d show idea
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[14:37:34] JEDIDIAH___: given what has been going on at nokia, perhaps "getting rid of" qt is for the best.
[14:39:02] sphery: Oneiric Ocelot... Was that a typo? They must have meant Ornery--what with them dropping GNOME for Unity and dropping X for Wayland.
[14:39:44] JEDIDIAH___: no typo. it means dreamy or dreamlike or something.
[14:39:52] sphery: JEDIDIAH___: agreed... I think Qt will be fine with less (no?) Nokia involvement.
[14:40:20] skd5aner: JEDIDIAH___: I would say that's not the best of advice – unless you have a suggestion on exactly what to forklift in it's place
[14:40:47] JEDIDIAH___: nokia has already decided on their "forklift"
[14:41:19] sphery: skd5aner: KDE will keep working on Qt, regardless of what happens at nokia
[14:41:24] JEDIDIAH___: at least they don't seem to be going Oracle on us.
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[16:04:40] s0126h: what hardware does mythtv work with
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[16:07:34] JEDIDIAH___: what kind of hardware are you interested in buying?
[16:08:22] uW: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Hardware
[16:18:09] hashbang: s0126h: you keep asking, but you never tell us what category of hardware you're asking about.
[16:20:20] uW: i thought i saw that question twice
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[16:37:57] Newsome: Hi there....anyone here availble to answer a newbie question?
[16:42:38] veehexx: probably not, but try me... :)
[16:44:54] jamesd_laptop: yes you have to connect the antena cable to the tuner device and the system does require the power plug to be connected to power
[16:44:57] Newsome: I have been using myth for OTA HD for about two years. I am investigating the possibility of satellite through myth w/o a set top box
[16:45:07] Newsome: :)
[16:45:54] Newsome: Free-to-air satellite is still available in the US... and some of it is DVB-S...if it is unencrypted, can myth tune it in with the right card. HVR-2200 maybe
[16:46:18] Newsome: or is there a difference between US DVB and European DVB?
[16:47:13] veehexx: US sat afaik is DVB-S2, UK is DVB-S.
[16:47:30] Newsome: http://www.sathint.com/amc-1?list=transponders&sort=band
[16:47:46] Newsome: look at frequency 3915 H
[16:47:56] veehexx: and yes, it'll work. im using a TBS 6981 dual-sat tuner for freeSAT in the UK.
[16:48:10] Newsome: vs 3720 H
[16:48:24] Newsome: so DVB-s is DVB-s no matter where you are.
[16:48:31] veehexx: yep.
[16:48:52] veehexx: else they'd be no point in having the DVB-S spec :)
[16:49:06] veehexx: although S2 and S are 2 completely different systems.
[16:49:18] veehexx: so you need to ensure the card you buy has DVB-S support.
[16:49:20] Newsome: I know that...
[16:49:27] Newsome: S2 seems to be more HD stuff
[16:49:39] veehexx: might be in the US.
[16:49:51] veehexx: BBC HD is in S format.
[16:49:52] Newsome: the hard part it seems is finding DVB-S cards in the US.
[16:49:58] Newsome: gotcha
[16:50:12] veehexx: hold on, i thought you were in the UK?
[16:50:21] Newsome: I am in the US.
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[16:50:37] Newsome: no DVB-T or DVB-C but we have DVB-2 and S2
[16:50:42] veehexx: oh, sorry – not sure why i thought you were UK.
[16:50:55] Newsome: im sorry....DVB-s and DVB-S2
[16:51:01] veehexx: the TBS (turbosight) stuff seems very obtainable in the US.
[16:51:08] veehexx: was a bugger to find in the UK.
[16:51:29] veehexx: http://www.tbsdtv.com/ for their hardware. im using the 6981 card.
[16:51:40] veehexx: anwyay, gtg, home time :)
[16:51:48] Chat0491: hi all
[16:51:49] Newsome: is there good linux support>
[16:51:58] Newsome: by veehexx...thanks for your help
[16:52:09] veehexx: tbs – yes. one of the reasons i bought it.
[16:52:13] veehexx: linux and windows support
[16:52:16] wagnerrp: !url tuners
[16:52:16] MythLogBot: tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information
[16:52:54] Newsome: sweet...thanks
[16:53:14] Chat0491: hi there any one want to chat
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[16:54:46] melnie: hey all
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[16:55:25] Newsome: I have an old dual-LNB dish hanging off my deck...(don't remember the provider) but with the correct card, and the right anlges, I should be able to receive an unencrypted DVB-S signal to my computer.
[16:55:27] Newsome: Yes?
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[16:58:07] wagnerrp: Newsome: if you point it the right direction
[16:58:11] wagnerrp: http://lyngsat.com
[16:59:02] Newsome: that is what I meant by the right angles...I haven't verified coverage for my area but it is a North American sat
[16:59:38] wagnerrp: if youre in NA, your access to unencrypted DVB-S with a mini-dish almost nil
[16:59:48] s0126h: how do i tell what digital signal my cable company use
[17:00:00] Newsome: are you in the US?
[17:00:04] s0126h: canada
[17:00:27] Newsome: then I don't know...in the US, I think they all use QAM
[17:00:41] Newsome: most ATSC tuners are QAM as well
[17:00:50] Newsome: at least that is what I found
[17:00:53] wagnerrp: s0126h: http://www.silicondust.com/support/channels
[17:01:15] kisak_: I'm running mythtv 0.24-fixes and I'm getting backtraces in the log file from mythpreviewgen
[17:01:28] kisak_: *** glibc detected *** /usr/bin/mythpreviewgen: free(): invalid next size (normal): 0x0000000000ae4330 ***
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[17:01:59] kisak_: the other relevent line appears to be sh: line 1: 10832 Aborted /usr/bin/mythpreviewgen --size 0x0 --chanid 3194 --starttime 20110307013000 > /dev/null
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[17:05:41] sphery: kisak_: we need real backtraces to fix problems. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging
[17:05:56] kisak_: ok
[17:06:19] wagnerrp: if your segfault made a core dump, you can use that to make a backtrace
[17:06:30] wagnerrp: otherwise, just run that command directly through the debugger
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[17:08:45] kisak_: http://pastebin.com/bq9sseY1 is this what you're looking for?
[17:09:19] Newsome: wagnerrp...thanks for the info. I found a coverage map for the sat that I am looking at and i have solid coverage. the link http://lyngsat.com wouldn't load on my computer but I found it here...http://www.satbeams.com/footprints?beam=5439
[17:09:36] Newsome: It looks like it may actually work. Thanks again.
[17:09:58] wagnerrp: http://www.lyngsat.com ... works fine here
[17:13:28] Newsome: the earlier link was missing the www....i didn;t even think about trying it. thanks. Gotta run and get back to work.
[17:13:36] Newsome: thanks again for all your help
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[17:20:28] sphery: kisak_: no, that's a useless glibc "backtrace", not a real backtrace... See the page I linked and follow the instructions (for core file or for "interactive")
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[17:21:01] wagnerrp: we didnt write glibc, so we cant really fix anything that goes wrong in glibc
[17:21:17] wagnerrp: the only things we can fix are the problems in our code that resulted in the fault in glibc
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[17:21:46] wagnerrp: the full backtrace, traces the program path all the way back out from the fault to the start of that thread
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[17:39:24] sphery: It's official. I love having the MythWeb protocol version in the mythtv directory structure (instead of in the mythweb repo (or mythplugins, as before)). Makes it much easier to update.
[17:39:42] sphery: PHP bindings are making a believer out of me
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[19:38:12] Beirdo: hehe
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[20:17:23] skd5aner: haven't updated nvidia driver in a while – what's the current recommended version?
[20:17:48] wagnerrp: 256, or a later blend of 260
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[20:21:21] skd5aner: looks like I'm running 256.44
[20:21:35] skd5aner: when do you mean "blend" of 260?
[20:21:49] wagnerrp: earlier versions had some significant problems
[20:22:15] skd5aner: yea, I remember seeing that – which is why I've steared clear until things got a bit more stable
[20:23:25] wagnerrp: looks like ive been running... 270 for the past month?
[20:23:41] wagnerrp: pulled in by an update at the end of january
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[20:24:05] skd5aner: you use your distro's packaged nvidia drivers or compile from their script?
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[20:24:23] wagnerrp: gentoo, its all compiled
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[20:25:03] skd5aner: ah, I always just run the install script directly from nvidia
[20:25:37] wagnerrp: thats really all gentoo does
[20:25:49] wagnerrp: just with a wrapper so it knows where stuff it installed goes
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[20:31:06] clgshaft: hey guys, could someone point me in the direction of a good lirc ir blaster guide. Mine is saying it doesn't allow sending. Tried wiki and ubuntu guides. Using fedora 14 and mce receiver/ir blaster. Thanks
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[20:34:05] ** wagnerrp wonders when someone is going to complain about themes not scaling properly for their 21:9 display **
[20:46:41] ** Beirdo gives pandora an evil look. get bent with the ads! **
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[20:47:57] Beirdo: wagnerrp: hehe. 21:9?!
[20:48:19] kormoc: Beirdo, I like wide faces you insensitive clod!
[20:48:26] Beirdo: heheh
[20:48:42] wagnerrp: Beirdo: yeah... phillips has had wide format TVs for a couple years now
[20:49:10] Beirdo: what do ya do with a drunken sailor...
[20:50:44] wagnerrp: throw 'em in the brig?
[20:51:15] Beirdo: hehe. shave his belly with a rusty razor.
[20:51:15] GreyFoxx: early in the morning
[20:51:16] GreyFoxx: ;)
[20:51:42] Beirdo: GreyFoxx: I'm in a maritime music mood :)
[20:51:50] GreyFoxx: I wish I was in sherbrooke now!
[20:51:53] GreyFoxx: heh
[20:52:13] Beirdo: hehe :)
[20:52:33] GreyFoxx: I rememberlast summer, the tallships were in Halifax harbour and there were thousands of tourists on the waterfront
[20:52:46] Beirdo: nice. :)
[20:52:57] GreyFoxx: and out of nowwhere somedude with aguitar begging for change started singing that sherbrooke song
[20:53:05] Beirdo: hahaha
[20:53:12] Beirdo: nice move :)
[20:53:14] GreyFoxx: and it shocked the hell out of the all ther americans when almost every single Canadian there started singing it
[20:53:32] GreyFoxx: they were looking around at us all as if it was some sort of flashmob hehe
[20:54:08] Beirdo: hehe, especially in Nova Scotia, I would kinda expect it
[20:54:13] GreyFoxx: yeah
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[20:54:25] GreyFoxx: It was actually kind of awesome at the time :)
[20:54:25] Beirdo: you guys have quite the heritage of celtic music, etc
[20:54:36] Beirdo: and the Newfs too :)
[20:55:23] GreyFoxx: yeah
[20:55:55] clever: dangit, now i need to dig that cd out
[20:56:32] Beirdo: yer welcome :)
[20:56:37] clever: :P
[20:56:47] clever: need to remember where the heck it went first
[20:57:01] GreyFoxx: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl-CfQvz21Y
[20:57:33] GreyFoxx: one of many versions of it, but close to what I usually hear :)
[20:57:46] Beirdo: why anyone would WANT to be in Sherbrooke, I dunno IRL
[20:57:53] GreyFoxx: hehe same ;)
[20:58:33] wagnerrp: oh FFS
[20:58:39] Beirdo: but singing that in Halifax harbour... priceless
[20:58:47] wagnerrp: 'mythtv backend ported to nvidia's quad core arm'
[20:58:52] Beirdo: hehe
[20:58:58] Beirdo: "go for it, punk"
[20:59:08] GreyFoxx: Beirdo: Yeah, it was awesome , a literlaly right after the fireworksstarted. IT was amazingly well timed :)
[20:59:24] Beirdo: sorry I missed that :)
[20:59:47] wagnerrp: 'the raw horsepower should be sufficient for a backend with storage'
[21:00:09] clever: here it is, 'from kitchen to ceilidh'
[21:00:21] GreyFoxx: Beirdo: Damn, now that I've listened to it I want to go to a pub :)
[21:00:29] clever: looks like the cd came with a box of keiths
[21:00:48] Beirdo: aye. this type of music is SO conducive to pint after pint.
[21:03:20] Beirdo: the guy who wrote that died in wagnerrp's backyard.
[21:04:01] Beirdo: a fire on Air Canada Flight 797 on the ground... 1983
[21:04:21] GreyFoxx: yeah I was just reading that. Crazy
[21:04:31] Beirdo: at 33?! dang
[21:04:40] wagnerrp: just reading that... 27 years ago
[21:05:30] GreyFoxx: "reports published at the time said that a man of Rogers' height and build escaped the plane, but then turned and went back inside, apparently to assist in the rescue of others"
[21:05:31] Beirdo: gonna have to get some of his LPs :)
[21:05:36] GreyFoxx: good on him
[21:05:52] Beirdo: yeah
[21:06:48] kormoc: wagnerrp, yeah... it's the perfect backend!
[21:07:34] wagnerrp: kormoc: would mysql/the_scheduler really take advantage of four cores? or is it more dependent on single threaded performance?
[21:08:02] Beirdo: oooh, I like Northwest Passage too
[21:09:21] kormoc: wagnerrp, it's pretty solidly single threaded
[21:10:03] kormoc: mysql can use multiple cores, but we don't push it enough to get any benefit from them, nor can myisam really use them.
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[21:14:08] Beirdo: but dual core would put mysql in one core, and the backend in the other, I would suppose
[21:14:49] kormoc: Beirdo, won't matter. The backend is waiting for the mysql data before it can start processing
[21:14:56] Beirdo: hehe, true
[21:15:10] Beirdo: other threads can keep running though
[21:15:17] kormoc: we could look into doing unbuffered result sets, but I don't know offhand if the qt lib supports them nor how much of a difference it'd make
[21:15:29] Beirdo: yeah, dunno either
[21:16:37] kormoc: sure, another core for other threads will help, but it won't speed up the scheduler by 2x (or 4x for 4 cores)
[21:16:43] Beirdo: heck no
[21:16:54] Beirdo: we only wish
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[22:01:17] wagnerrp: sphery: i finally got one through! http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /311737.html
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[22:02:38] wagnerrp: i think that one is worthy of your level of verbosity
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[22:16:24] sphery: wagnerrp: I'll see if we can fix the spam filters... don't know why it let you send one through
[22:16:39] sphery: (joking--great post, I was just enjoying reading it)
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[22:20:02] sphery: very good post--and worth ever word
[22:33:27] wagnerrp: i still cant get over the bit about the benchmarks
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[22:33:58] wagnerrp: using heavily optimized gcc 4.4.1 for the ARMs, versus typical settings on GCC 3.4.6 for the Core 2
[22:35:58] wagnerrp: sphery: http://www.ilsistemista.net/index.php/hardwar . . . ml?showall=1
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[22:39:41] sphery: it's what they call "optimized marketing"
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[22:42:01] sphery: heh, and that page says almost exactly what you said--and has the numbers to back it up
[22:42:57] wagnerrp: (because thats what i read before posting the email)
[22:43:27] wagnerrp: you can follow up with the link, i think if i do, ill get cut off by the spam filters
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[22:44:09] wagnerrp: its just the same thing everyone has been saying all long
[22:44:20] wagnerrp: the performance per watt of an ARM is very impressive
[22:44:40] wagnerrp: but it simply doesnt compare with the single threaded or total throughput of the x86 architecture
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[22:47:19] sphery: yep, and does nvidia even plan to release tegra video drivers?
[22:47:42] wagnerrp: chutt might be able to answer that, i have no idea
[22:49:00] sphery: even if they did, they would have to have vdpau to be of any use
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[22:51:44] wagnerrp: well theres nothing stopping them from making a completely independent API for access, so long as its of similar quality to the existing driver/api, and not AMD's mess
[22:51:59] wagnerrp: but it would probably be easier on all involved to just release as VDPAU
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[22:52:53] ** wagnerrp wonders who this Achim Hofmann intends to inform about the gentoo issue **
[22:54:12] kormoc: wagnerrp, Gentoo@UbuntuProject.org of course
[22:54:38] wagnerrp: kormoc: anyway, the '#' in the sed argument works
[22:54:42] wagnerrp: tested it last night
[22:54:44] kormoc: oh nice
[22:54:57] wagnerrp: between qt and mythtv, my laptop was recompiling crap for about 20 hours
[22:55:25] wagnerrp: i really need to set up distcc for that thing
[22:56:52] wagnerrp: im putting together a commit, ill go ahead and update the build dates while im at it
[22:57:02] kormoc: sounds good
[23:00:47] wagnerrp: aww come on...
[23:01:02] wagnerrp: 30 seconds after i pull a hash for the new builds
[23:01:06] wagnerrp: sphery makes a new commit
[23:01:33] ** wagnerrp grumbles **
[23:01:33] kormoc: wipe and recheckout!
[23:01:42] wagnerrp: how dare you continue development!
[23:01:43] wagnerrp: :)
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[23:02:07] sphery: wagnerrp: and it's a bin version change, too
[23:02:37] sphery: just did another another one, so...
[23:02:46] ** sphery is keeping wagnerrp on his toes **
[23:02:53] wagnerrp: kormoc: should we start handling bin changes in the ebuilds?
[23:03:19] kormoc: bin changes?
[23:03:29] wagnerrp: API changes, for plugin compatibility
[23:03:32] kormoc: ahh!
[23:03:50] wagnerrp: or do we just continue as we are doing, and assume people update all the plugins at the same time as the main package
[23:04:22] kormoc: we likely should but given I don't know of a automated way, I think assuming folks do a global update is pretty safe
[23:05:13] sphery: especially if we publicly ridicule those who don't
[23:06:11] wagnerrp: ooh, thats not good
[23:06:25] wagnerrp: i still had the old github tarball
[23:06:40] wagnerrp: so when i redid the ebuilds for the new hash, theyre using the old tarball
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[23:07:38] kormoc: yeah. I ran into that once
[23:08:08] kormoc: I was wondering if we should put the hash in the tarball name but realized it'd really just be use two running into that
[23:09:14] wagnerrp: well, and anyone else writing their own ebuilds
[23:09:22] wagnerrp: but then those people can learn to deal with it too
[23:11:56] sphery: heh, wagnerrp, the bubble popper
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[23:49:31] NewBuntu81: Hi All. I'm trying to get Mythweb working on a new Myth installation in Fedora. I got apache (httpd) up and running, but I can't seem to get the myth interface to load in the website. Been searching blogs, can't seem to find anything that helps. Any tips or links would be appreciated. Thanks!
[23:50:49] ** kormoc looks at the nickname... back at the distro... back at the nickname... back at the distro... **
[23:51:54] Beirdo: hehehe
[23:51:54] NewBuntu81: Funny! I started with Mythbuntu. Fedora seems to work better with my 2250 card.
[23:52:03] Beirdo: huh?
[23:53:43] NewBuntu81: Oh wait...i just found one that is somewhat new, and guess who wrote it? our very own kormoc! svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-## . . . gins/mythweb
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[23:54:14] NewBuntu81: Whoops that didn't copy right. This one. https://github.com/MythTV/mythweb/blob/master/INSTALL
[23:54:50] ** Beirdo steals the crack pipe from NewBuntu81 and tosses it across the street. **
[23:55:21] NewBuntu81: hahaha. :-)
[23:55:52] NewBuntu81: Ok so my webserver page (accessed by IP) shows one folder with mythweb. I guess i have to edit a .conf file to change it to mythweb for default...
[23:56:05] NewBuntu81: At any rate, if i click mythweb...it should populate with tv schedule info...but it doesn't.
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