Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, February 25th, 2011, 00:04 UTC

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wagnerrp:

sphery: whats the compression format you like? 'lz' or something?

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kormoc:

lzip/plzip

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Twiggy2cents:

can you do wake on lirc? Or does it require creative hacking?

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Twiggy2cents:

I dunno if you guys saw earlier so I will repost

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Twiggy2cents:

can you do wake on lirc? Or does it require creative hacking?

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wagnerrp:

no, lirc cannot be used to wake a machine up

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wagnerrp:

if a machine is off or in standby, neither lirc, nor the kernel, is running to process events

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wagnerrp:

individual devices /can/ send wake events over USB which are then handled by your motherboard

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Twiggy2cents:

yeah I figured that on off. what about standby?

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wagnerrp:

other devices may hook into a WOL header, or may hook directly into the power sssssswitch

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Twiggy2cents:

sticky keys?

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wagnerrp:

but it is entirely dependent on your receiver and motherboard

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wagnerrp:

neither mythtv nor lirc nor even linux has any say in the matter

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Twiggy2cents:

okay so it might be easier to build for low power consumption at idle

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wagnerrp:

the MCEUSB units support wake-on-usb

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wagnerrp:

you just have to make sure your motherboard does as well

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Twiggy2cents:

thats the remote I would have. So would the mobo support wake by remote, or wake by usb?

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Twiggy2cents:

What should I look for

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wagnerrp:

usb, the motherboard does not support IR, it only supports USB

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Twiggy2cents:

okay thanks

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wagnerrp:

the IR receiver itself would send the standard USB wakeup call

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Twiggy2cents:

ohh, I imagine the mceusb would send it for the power button? Also, if it supports wake on usb then does the usb port have power supplied to it even when the machine is off?

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wagnerrp:

that depends on the board, the board must supply 5VSB for it to work

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wagnerrp:

some boards will have a switch for that in the BIOS, other will require you to flip a physical jumper

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wagnerrp:

yet more will require a combination of both

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Twiggy2cents:

which do you prefer, intel or amd?

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wagnerrp:

either will generally work

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wagnerrp:

amd will be cheaper, but then intel you can actually use their newer graphics stuff

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Twiggy2cents:

newer gfx stuff? Like the ion stuff?

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wagnerrp:

ION is nvidia

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Twiggy2cents:

doh

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wagnerrp:

no, im talking about the GMAHD chips in their latest processors

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wagnerrp:

roughly as much opengl power as the low end nvidia stuff

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wagnerrp:

plenty for mythtv's needs

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Twiggy2cents:

What is considered low end?

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Twiggy2cents:

what has gmahd? the i series?

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wagnerrp:

and should be usable for VAAPI if markk gets that finished and/or the drivers get cleaned up to a usable state

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wagnerrp:

the GMAHD chip is what is in the dual core i3s and i5s, and is roughly comparable to the nvidia 9400M

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Twiggy2cents:

ohh okay

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wagnerrp:

the stuff in the new sandybridge chips is likely 2–3x faster than that, partly due to the closer integration with the CPU

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wagnerrp:

all of which will be underwhelming compared to a GT220 or GT430

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wagnerrp:

cainus: mythtv does not charge for use like microsoft or tivo, so we cannot license guide data for users

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wagnerrp:

in north america, you can use schedules direct, which mythfilldatabase is capable of pulling directly from

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cainus:

for $20 /yr, right?

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wagnerrp:

elsewhere, users have to set up an XMLTV grabber, and have mythfilldatabase process the resulting file

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wagnerrp:

for SD, yes

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cainus:

hmm okay... thanks for the info

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JEDIDIAH___:

any suggestions/anti-suggestions for drives for linux software raid?

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wagnerrp:

stay away from WD greens, and possibly the other low power drives as well

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wagnerrp:

the 8-second spindown will need to be raised using the WD dos utility

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wagnerrp:

and the 4K reported as 512b sectors may cause problems with how RAID systems function

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Twigg:

would a g 210 with 512mb handle hd?

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wagnerrp:

why wouldnt it?

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Twigg:

just checkin

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wagnerrp:

most graphics cards since the 6 or 7 series have done 1920x1080 on the digital outputs

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wagnerrp:

and have done that resolution over VGA for much longer than that

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JEDIDIAH___:

yes. I've heard about the green drives.

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wagnerrp:

i have a couple of low power 750s in my array, and there is a bit of quirkiness

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elmojo:

does anyone know if an ION needs dual-channel memory to perform without any issue?

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elmojo:

and isn't nvidia 260.19.06 one of the bad versions of the driver?

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JEDIDIAH___:

running interlacers? playing interlaced content?

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elmojo:

yes, temporal 2x

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JEDIDIAH___:

that makes things more interesting.

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Wicked:

can you change the default record before/after time via mythweb?

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JEDIDIAH___:

I don't use anything that advanced and don't seem to have any problems with what interlaced content I do have (mostly 1080i broadcast stuff)

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mycosys:

is there a way to remove all the recordings from the database then add em back later?

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mycosys:

or perhaps rename the table and name it back?

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Captain_Murdoch:

why, what are you trying to accomplish?

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mycosys:

clone my server (dont have a spare 2tb to do the recordings), upgrade on another similar box, clone it back, re-add the recordings

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kormoc:

mycosys, just follow the database backup instructions on the wiki

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mycosys:

kormoc – please read what i wrote

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kormoc:

ooh, I read it, but it's not clear why the normal backup/restore pattern wouldn't work

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mycosys:

because that includes the recordings

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mycosys:

and a partial creates an otherwise blank database

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kormoc:

I'm really confused as to why that's an issue if you're restoring them anyway

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mycosys:

?

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kormoc:

you said you want to bring up another backend and migrate your recordings over to it

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mycosys:

because i will have a database full of missing recordings that will stuff any ability to test while the system goes into a loop trying to create previews for non-existant recordings

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mycosys:

i want to clone my backend – upgrade it, test it, and then add the recordings

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Captain_Murdoch:

mount the old drive over NFS while testing

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Captain_Murdoch:

then you can really test.

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mycosys:

they will have the same fixed ip and network name

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mycosys:

if i change that myth will need to recreate all the settings

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kormoc:

backup the database, restore it on the new box, run http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Find_orphans.py and have it remove the missing recordings

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mycosys:

and how would i put them back?

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** kormoc thinks mycosys is the channel's new clever **

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mycosys:

?

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kormoc:

mycosys, why would you want to?

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kormoc:

mycosys, you said that box won't have them

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sfeary:

wagnerrp: yeah, lzip format is the one I like--it's a lzma, just like 7z and xz

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** Captain_Murdoch thinks he's going to move over the 2TB drive after testing hte new install **

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sfeary:

mycosys: just do a full restore

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sfeary:

mycosys: and have a database full of recordings that don't exist

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mycosys:

spose i could manually note any configuration changes made since migration

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mycosys:

correct CM

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kormoc:

mycosys, if it's a different computer/os install. why do you care?

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sfeary:

mycosys: and if you like, select them all, change their recording group to "missing", then filter so that it doesn't display "missing" recordings

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mycosys:

sfeary – there is a known bug in preview generation

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mycosys:

and i specifically said it wasnt a new install kormoc

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Captain_Murdoch:

mycosys, if you know SQL, then just copy the contents of the 'recorded' table to a temp table and truncate recorded. then when done testing, copy the contents back from your temp table into recorded. if you don't know SQL then don't try it because it's not supported.

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sfeary:

mycosys: there's no preview generation if you don't try to display those recordings--i.e. if they're not in the displayed ones

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mycosys:

not what i would call an adept cm – but can handle myself

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kormoc:

I honestly have no clue what mycosys is even attempting...

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sfeary:

and the "known bug in preview generation" is new to me

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mycosys:

ty – exactly what i thought would be the way to go – just didnt have and doc of the mythconverg structure

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kormoc:

he's migrating from a box to a box with the same ip but doesn't have the same disks

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sfeary:

mycosys: really, though, changing IP address is all of 2 seconds configuration

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mycosys:

a simple upgrade kormoc

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sfeary:

mycosys: and there's absolutely no new settings involved (those are by hostname, not IP)

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kormoc:

mycosys, so why don't you have your recordings?

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mycosys:

because the existing backend will be running while i do it

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kormoc:

and really. I have missing recordings all the time and preview gen works fine...

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sfeary:

mycosys: and you can use the same hostname--even if your hosts have different names--by using LocalHostName override in your config.xml or mysql.txt

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Captain_Murdoch:

kormoc, he wants to build a new computer, install mythtv on it, restore the DB from his old computer. test mythtv, then if testing is good, he wants to bring over all his old recordings on the single 2TB drive he has. he doesn't want the recordings in mythtv during testing because if he tries to use playbackbox, it will try to generate previews for all his non-existent recordings.

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kormoc:

mycosys, so? It just won't be able to access them. no harm, no fail.

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kormoc:

Captain_Murdoch, ahh

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sfeary:

and what's this known issue?

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sfeary:

is it really known

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sfeary:

I may not be sphery, but I like to think I keep on top of things... :)

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kormoc:

sfeary, given i have my usb drives sometimes disconnected and never see this issue, I don't think it's known

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mycosys:

mythbackend ---generate-preview stalls with no input, many of them are genrated and the system slowly becomes near unusable

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Captain_Murdoch:

mycosys, have you ever run SQL commands with mysql?

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mycosys:

years back when i was doing server admin yeah

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kormoc:

mycosys, works for me, http://pastebin.com/Lshd7RpJ

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mycosys:

should be just a matter of logging into the mysql console as mythtv and cloning the recordings table, then truncating the origianl shouldnt it captain_murdoch?

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sfeary:

mycosys: and really, if preview generation is such a problem, you can always just: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "SELECT CONCAT_WS(' ', 'touch', basename, '&&', 'touch', CONCAT(basename, '.png')) FROM recorded;"

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kormoc:

if mythpreviewgen is getting wedged, we need to fix it

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sfeary:

mycosys: then run the resulting output in a recording directory, as specified inyour storage groups (grab output to a file by adding: " 2>&1 | $HOME/touch_files.sh" to the end of the command--no quotes)

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sfeary:

kormoc: agreed, but this is the first time I've heard of any issues with mythpreviewgen wedging--other than on H.264

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mycosys:

am on .22 atm guys

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sfeary:

but you're setting up 0.24 on your new one, right?

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mycosys:

is listed as a fix in 0.24 iirc

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sfeary:

and it works :)

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kormoc:

So you're worried about working around a bug that is fixed in the version you are testing?

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mycosys:

good point kormoc lol

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mycosys:

tho i will have to test the hardware before the upgrade

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mycosys:

backup database, truncate table, test for working, restore database, upgrade

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mycosys:

should work

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sfeary:

I recommend backup database, use it

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sfeary:

don't truncate or mess with it in any way

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sfeary:

since there's no need to

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sfeary:

mycosys: fwiw, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore , and note that it works on any version of MythTV database

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sfeary:

so you can use it with 0.22-fixes (but I do recommend downloading the updated backup script as described at the top of the page)

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sfeary:

the newer version has a lot of nice safety features

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sfeary:

kormoc / Beirdo: so, I'm thinking after you guys told the bad guys I was out of town, they broke into my house and unplugged my cable modem... Seems the most logical explanation for why my system has disappeared from the 'net. (As I'm sure it's nothing like the 11hr downtime the cable modem/ISP had just before I left.)

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kormoc:

Our evil plan is coming together nicely! Muhahahahaha

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sfeary:

heh

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** Captain_Murdoch doesn't pay attention enough sometimes to connect the homophones **

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sfeary:

yeah, don't know my identify for the real nick--but my dead system at home knows it :)

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Beirdo:

hahah, your modem decided to take a vacation

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[R]:

you can make "exit" show the menu or not... is there a way to do that and have a direct exit button?

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Captain_Murdoch:

it's been my router that's done that twice lately. I think I need to upgrade openwrt, but probably should just put in the 200Mhz box in to replace the 125Mhz box at the same time. that will give my VPN connections a boost.

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

I think this nap is over

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** wagnerrp hands kormoc a cigar **

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Captain_Murdoch:

[R] if not, sounds like a welcome patch. different keybinding for direct-exit vs exit w/ menu. sfeary would know, I think he patched that area recently.

[04:20:40]

** [R] ponders doing it **

[04:21:22]

sfeary:

the EXIT action is now it's own keybinding

[04:21:26]

Beirdo:

iiinteresting

[04:21:31]

sfeary:

but it's only registered in the Main Menu cnotext

[04:21:39]

sfeary:

assuming you mean exit mythfrontend

[04:21:46]

sfeary:

(or mythtv-setup)

[04:21:56]

Beirdo:

the "Waited 100ms for video frames" now is spat out every 10ms

[04:22:11]

[R]:

sfeary: yeah

[04:22:18]

sfeary:

oh, I see what you mean

[04:22:19]

Captain_Murdoch:

sfeary, right, but, the idea of having a 'force exit' and a separate 'exit with popup menu' bindings sounds helpful and simple.

[04:22:31]

sfeary:

you mean get rid of the "action on playback exit" setting

[04:22:34]

sfeary:

yeah, I'm all for that

[04:23:28]

[R]:

is the "confirm exit" default on or deafult off?

[04:23:35]

sfeary:

oh, or the confirm exit setting

[04:23:44]

sfeary:

sounds like both need to be replaced with keybindings

[04:23:55]

Captain_Murdoch:

int forceExitCallback(void) { int x = 1 / 0; }

[04:24:14]

Captain_Murdoch:

doh! s/^int/void/

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sfeary:

heh

[04:24:49]

Beirdo:

ya might want a return too ;)

[04:25:12]

Captain_Murdoch:

nah, might get a warning from the compiler about unreachable code. :)

[04:25:30]

Beirdo:

hehe

[04:25:56]

sfeary:

[R]: yes, confirm exit defaults to on

[04:26:23]

[R]:

so the default for esc will be exit_with_confirm and another binding with be like direct_exit or something

[04:26:40]

sfeary:

btw, if anyone knows how to turn off the stupid shortcut keys at github, I'd forever be their friend

[04:27:07]

sfeary:

[R]: no, ESCAPE for exit with prompt and EXIT for exit no prompt

[04:27:24]

[R]:

ah

[04:28:01]

[R]:

what about for global... would it be possible for a global exit key?

[04:28:02]

sfeary:

that way, we reuse a name that we've used elsewhere, it has a meaningful and descriptive name, it maintains the current defaults, and those who want the exit without prompt can map said key

[04:28:33]

sfeary:

but we would need to do a db update to handle mappings for those who have disabled confirm exit

[04:29:27]

sfeary:

and would need to decide what to do about exit when used in playback, but when OSD is displayed or whatever (other places where you'd use ESCAPE)

[04:29:49]

sfeary:

oh, and I've accidentally flip-flopped to the action on playback exit one

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sfeary:

and, yeah, I think ESCAPE for prompt and EXIT for no prompt... DB update transfers current Main Menu/EXIT keybinding to Main Menu/ESCAPE (iff it differs from Global/ESCAPE) and those with confirm exit disabled have their Main Menu/EXIT left as is

[04:33:33]

Beirdo:

If you make ESC exit with no confirmation, I will reverse your patches locally

[04:33:38]

Beirdo:

:)

[04:33:48]

sfeary:

though someone has mentioned that keybinding overrides aren't currently working properly, so I'd have to actually see if that's true

[04:34:07]

sfeary:

Beirdo: why... your Main Menu/EXIT would be mapped to Esc key (not ESCAPE action)

[04:34:11]

Beirdo:

my remote has a habit of double key hits

[04:34:32]

sfeary:

oh, then it wouldn't... it would be the Ctrl-Esc or whatever you currently have?

[04:34:58]

sfeary:

basically, nothing would change for anyone--except the stupid setting would disappear and users who want could have both exit with prompt and exit without prompt

[04:35:18]

Beirdo:

right... if hitting ESC (my current back key) gives me a double-press and it exits, I will get irate and start throwing stuff :)

[04:35:26]

sfeary:

I'm not saying add a mapping for stuff that doesn't happen now... just add a binding that /could/ be mapped

[04:35:36]

Beirdo:

yeah, that's cool :)

[04:35:56]

sfeary:

and as someone upgrading, the DB update would take care of it for you

[04:36:03]

Beirdo:

I'm just ornery today

[04:36:09]

sfeary:

anyway, I love this idea--enough that if [R] doesn't get it done, I will :)

[04:36:13]

Beirdo:

stupid vmware made me mad

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sfeary:

actually, I'll probably make sphery do it

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[R]:

lol

[04:36:40]

Beirdo:

who then will try to make me do it, no doubt :)

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[R]:

what about making the main menu/exit global/exit instead?

[04:36:44]

Beirdo:

hehe

[04:36:46]

sfeary:

heh

[04:37:16]

sfeary:

[R]: for that, I would definitely have to check out whether the hearsay report of keybinding override failure is true

[04:37:37]

sfeary:

as if it is, it needs fixed before we could consider a Global/EXIT binding

[04:38:15]

sfeary:

I need to get keybinding "inheritance" finished up

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Beirdo:

ls: /Developer/FireWireSDK*/Examples/Framework/AVCVideoServices.framework: No such file or directory

[04:38:35]

Beirdo:

hmmm, that can't be a "good" thing

[04:38:49]

sfeary:

(so you could say, "make TV Playback/EXIT use whatever key is mapped to Main Menu/EXIT" (meaning change the key once and it updates the other)

[04:44:15]

Beirdo:

come on frontend, you can do it!

[04:45:52]

Beirdo:

hey, another setting to remove

[04:46:05]

Beirdo:

realtime threads for playback

[04:46:12]

Beirdo:

the underlying code is gone

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sfeary:

ooh, cool

[04:50:44]

Beirdo:

now... where does the OSX frontend build hide logs, I wonder?

[04:52:02]

** wagnerrp wonders what 'hide logs' are **

[04:53:27]

Beirdo:

hide is a transitive verb

[04:53:30]

Beirdo:

in this case

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Beirdo:

OK, where the BLEEP do I look for my frontend logfile :)

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markk_:

Beirdo: --disable-firewire

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Beirdo:

yeah, I'll be doing that next time I build :)

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kormoc:

Beirdo, we don't log by default afaik

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Beirdo:

Ooooh. OK

[04:55:40]

Beirdo:

that will make debugging why my playback is slow.. more interesting

[04:55:58]

kormoc:

Beirdo, just cd into the .app and run the binary directly

[04:56:07]

Beirdo:

I am using wireless at the moment, and that's my first guess

[04:56:12]

Beirdo:

K

[04:56:16]

Beirdo:

that makes snese

[04:57:20]

Beirdo:

MythTV Version : v0.25pre-1253-g351abc9-dirty

[04:57:30]

Beirdo:

heh, wonder what patches are there.

[04:57:45]

** Beirdo shrugs. Something to look at later, I'm sure **

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markk_:

Beirdo: are you setting up the OSX buildbot?

[05:00:41]

Beirdo:

stuarta was planning to do that

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markk_:

ok – was just curious – are you compiling with the packager?

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Beirdo:

hopefully soon. :) For now, I just want to try it under OSX a bit. I can help him set it up easier that way too

[05:01:19]

Beirdo:

yeah

[05:01:48]

Beirdo:

so far

[05:01:58]

Beirdo:

oh wow

[05:02:13]

Beirdo:

it's complaining about Cannot move to target thread

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Beirdo:

many times :)

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markk_:

Beirdo: I was just going to say that the build bot is probably best run 'natively' i.e. not using the packager.

[05:03:22]

Beirdo:

I would tend to agree

[05:03:47]

Beirdo:

but I'd have to see it working first :)

[05:04:49]

Beirdo:

btw. the 100ms wait for video... not 100ms anymore between log messages

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markk_:

it's never been 100ms between log messages:)

[05:05:23]

Beirdo:

it's spat out about every 10ms

[05:05:40]

Beirdo:

heh, OK

[05:06:02]

Beirdo:

I think my wireless is killing me

[05:06:07]

Beirdo:

let's try a cable

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[R]:

Beirdo: trying to poison your food?

[05:12:00]

Beirdo:

muuuuch much better

[05:14:06]

Beirdo:

doing fine on a 1080i MPEG2

[05:15:25]

Beirdo:

OK, let's do Arclight so I get a better OSD :)

[05:20:38]

Beirdo:

MythSocket still needs work

[05:20:58]

Beirdo:

2011-02–24 21:20:46.542 MythSocket(39b34b0:90): writeStringList: Error, No data written on writeBlock (941 errors)

[05:21:03]

Beirdo:

just spewing

[05:21:20]

Beirdo:

I checked lsof. that socket is to my macbook, over wireless

[05:21:28]

Beirdo:

and the frontend ain't running anymore

[05:29:18]

orly_owl:

Is there a PPA for Ubuntu 10.04 with MythTV 0.24?

[05:29:49]

tgm4883:

orly_owl, http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos

[05:30:18]

orly_owl:

ah thanks

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seannn:

Anyone have any problems tuning two channels at the same time with 0.24 (2 hd-pvr with microsoft ir blaster)

[05:39:37]

Beirdo:

not bad

[05:39:51]

Beirdo:

H.264 1080i... 95% CPU

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wagnerrp:

you could have locking issues with two instances of the channel change script

[05:40:35]

seannn:

it always tunes the wrong channel but only when it is a scheduled recording

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Beirdo:

got the 8 extra crap rows on the bottom

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seannn:

thanks wagnerrp, any idea how i would identify this

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wagnerrp:

check the timings in the backend log

[05:41:55]

wagnerrp:

see if theyre running at the same time

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seannn:

Ok, perfect, I will check now, thanks

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Beirdo:

markk_: does VDPAU work under OSX?

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wagnerrp:

pretty sure not

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Beirdo:

given an appropriate video controller, of course

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kormoc:

Not VDPAU, no

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kormoc:

there's a OS X specific acceleration layer, donno if it's active or not

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Beirdo:

by my current CPU usage, seems about right :)

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Beirdo:

K

[05:46:37]

Beirdo:

but this macbook is happy with the worst I can throw at it from my recordings

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Beirdo:

so I'm happy

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Beirdo:

I will need to find what output I *am* using so I can put in the "ignore the bottom 8 pixels on 1920x1088" hack

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Beirdo:

but not bad for a first try, really

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markk_:

Beirdo: what videooutput are you using? VDA should be available for h264 on more recent OSX (>10.5 I think)

[05:50:36]

Beirdo:

I'm not sure. Where would I check that?

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Beirdo:

I set playback to use vdpau slim, but obviously THAT's no point

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markk_:

though it may be disabled inadvertently by the packager

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markk_:

playback profile -> decoder

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Beirdo:

Ahh, let me go look again

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Beirdo:

this time I set it to Normal, and edited to use vda instead of standard

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Beirdo:

I get a black screen

[05:55:30]

Beirdo:

and lots of VDADec error: Callback: decoder returned empty buffer

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Beirdo:

that can't be good :)

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markk_:

Beirdo: what material?

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Beirdo:

H.264 at 1080i

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Beirdo:

from the HDPVR

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Beirdo:

H.264 720p is working fine

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markk_:

there is a known bug with some broadcast h264 material – do you have some other h264 stuff to test with?

[06:00:01]

markk_:

ah – ok:)

[06:00:35]

Beirdo:

as the rendering is at 1280x720, it may be related :)

[06:01:16]

Beirdo:

could also be a deinterlacer issue

[06:01:33]

Beirdo:

I have it at linearblend right now... Let's fiddle that

[06:02:22]

markk_:

the bytestream conversion doesn't work for some broadcast material and the decoder never returns frames.

[06:02:42]

markk_:

I doubt it's a deinterlacer issue

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Beirdo:

K

[06:04:04]

Beirdo:

I'll toy with it a bit.

[06:07:03]

Beirdo:

of course, it spewing 6 log lines per ms makes it hard to see the rest of the logs :)

[06:07:54]

Beirdo:

2011-02–24 22:05:26.999 VideoOutputQuartz::VProf: rend(quartz-blit) osd(softblend) deint(none,none) filt()

[06:07:59]

Beirdo:

still doing it

[06:08:11]

Beirdo:

so it's not the deinterlacers by the looks of it

[06:08:20]

Beirdo:

as you suspected

[06:09:59]

Beirdo:

let me try 1080i MPEG2

[06:10:46]

Beirdo:

2011-02–24 22:10:15.597 VideoOutput, Error: Couldn't load deinterlace filter none

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Beirdo:

snicker

[06:10:58]

Beirdo:

but it's working

[06:13:39]

Beirdo:

so yes, seems to be specific to 1080i H.264

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Beirdo:

which plays back OK using the Standard decode

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Beirdo:

something to look into, I guess.

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Beirdo:

I have an idea of what to tweak...

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orly_owl:

FM tuner support?

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Beirdo:

no

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Beirdo:

ahhh, Borders is closing the Lynnwood store

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justinh:

heh my bandwidth meter on my desktop machine is showing that 30.6MB has gone over the lan from my box today – and I've not been here til now

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paulmcmahon:

lots of irc logs

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justinh:

30M & I didn't even have any network aware programs open

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justinh:

so that's likely just windows network traffic. heheheh

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paulmcmahon:

or a haxor

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justinh:

heh yeah or that

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justinh:

the AV software here is next to useless anyway so I wouldn't discount a trojan

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justinh:

oh boy. "wonder if I should upgrade my home broadband to 50mb to try & stream mythtv recordings to a remote frontend"

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Beirdo:

ummm. how about ... NO

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justinh:

I replied, saying "yeah if your upload speed is > 8Mb/sec – oh btw mythtv protocol isn't hardened AT ALL" yada yada. not what he wanted to hear, I think :P

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[R]:

hardened?

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[R]:

that's what she said

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veehexx2:

i almost moved back to windows last night... the only thing that stopped me was the image wasnt on my PXE server :P

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justinh:

awww bless

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justinh:

I only use linux for my mythtv boxes

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veehexx2:

although a fresh look at it this morning, shows something obvious i missed with lirc config; i didnt edit the /etc/lircd/hardware.conf file after lirc install.

[08:32:28]

veehexx2:

been havign issues with my mceusb reciever not being powered when mythtv is in suspend. im hoping it's down to the incorrect hardware.conf fiel

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Guest59619:

Hello everyone. Does anyone here use MythTV through DirectTV?

[08:37:09]

justinh:

veehexx2: no it'll be because your motherboard isn't powering USB when it's suspended

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veehexx2:

nope, it is.. related to linux specifically. the hardware was in a shutdown state this morning – IR was flashign away. boot into mythbuntu and no power.

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veehexx2:

and est, all the USB/S3 devices under /proc/acpi/wakeup are enabled...

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veehexx2:

*est = yes

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veehexx2:

i noticed when i did 'service lirc start' it had issues with a module in the hardware.conf file...

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justinh:

Guest59619: FWIW nobody will be using MythTV with DirectTV without a set top box in the way. I don't know what you're getting at

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Stevezau:

is it possible to run mythfrontend on apple tv 2nd gen?

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Guest59619:

Well, I'm reading about setting it up with a serial cable, but I'm not certain that will actually tune the box to the channels that I've set to record. Just wanted to make sure before I went ahead and got the parts.

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Guest59619:

Seemed straight forward enough, but wanted to make sure I wasn't reading it wrong.

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justinh:

Stevezau: it might be, but you won't get any support for its hardware video decoding. So it wouldn't be in any way worthwhile

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Stevezau:

ah k

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Stevezau:

xbmc runs pretty well on it im told

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Stevezau:

maybde mythbox ill work

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justinh:

XBMC allegedly goes on the ATV2, but I don't have any nice feelings towards that project

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paulmcmahon:

why is that justin

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justinh:

I don't have to justify that statement :)

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veehexx:

i like xbmc, but doesnt have native livetv (or livetv at all for windows!). i might aswell use myth on linux...

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justinh:

it has its good points – but the stuff I don't like about it really rubs me up the wrong way – especially the way it's geared to work with mythtv. No EPG, no timestretched playback, everything as one big list. I could go on. It does what it does quite well but it's not for me

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justinh:

we never used to use mythfrontend for scheduling much but now we've come to rely on it

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justinh:

as for timestretch – we definitely can't live without that!

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paulmcmahon:

I'd like xbmc front end to be improved in terms of myth integration for everything you said above

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paulmcmahon:

until then, I will be running mythtv and xbmc in two windows and swap between them.

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justinh:

xbmc doesn't offer me any advantage over mythfrontend

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paulmcmahon:

it does alot for me

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paulmcmahon:

guess it depends on your use

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justinh:

like who really cares about UI animation? the times I've tested other programs which allegedly 'bling' they've spend too long with the screen blank between transitions

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veehexx:

function over form, but looks do play a part for me :P text-only wouldnt go down well under the WAF

[09:01:40]

justinh:

so use a frontend theme that doesn't suck – like erm.. anything other than MythCenter

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FabriceMG:

veehexx: hello , all good, no problem with remote, hdmi,.......? :)

[09:10:06]

veehexx:

hey fabrice..

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veehexx:

not quite. everything working apart from suspend.

[09:11:03]

veehexx:

but i think i've found out my issue so will have another go tonight.

[09:12:27]

veehexx:

it sleeps, but it wont wake up – mceusb isnt being powered once in sleep. /proc/acpi/wakeup says all USB/S3 devices are enabled, and wakeup works from keyboard press... just not from the mceusb reciever.

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veehexx:

mythweb is freaking awesome though! :) first time i played with it last night – very impressed with it.

[09:14:09]

justinh:

hrm. seems the silence detecting commflagging isn't working anymore

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veehexx:

does that thing work in for UK commercials?

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justinh:

the wrapper script in the wiki? almost perfectly when it works

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veehexx:

thats good!

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veehexx:

i'll give that wiki another read through once i get mythtv functioning the way i want.

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justinh:

weird. it's not been working since feb 2. I wonder what I've done

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justinh:

huh? it's logging the recordings root dirs just fine but then it's just not doing anything. weirdness

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k-man:

recently the backend has been crashing on me, i have a backtrace of it

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k-man:

should i raise a ticket?

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k-man:

http://pastebin.com/SmPrfgUU

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justinh:

man, I HATE bash scripts

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yunosh:

can mythnetvision be run *really* fullscreen, i.e. without the bottom bar and the frame?

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justinh:

as fullscreen as the browser will allow

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justinh:

all hail the overlords who insist that it's their FLash way or the high way!

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yunosh:

hm where does the progress bar belong to? mythnetvision? mythbrowser?

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koda|work:

hi, does anyone know any kind of nettop with an integrated dvb-t tuner?

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koda|work:

possibly working well with mythtv :)

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justinh:

wth is a nettop?

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justinh:

oh, those stupid little things like Ion boxes

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** justinh would save his money & buy a real computer instead **

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veehexx:

im not using an ion for media, but using one for file server – works well.

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justinh:

maybe if you heat one up til it vapourises it'll form part of a cloud

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koda|work:

yeah, ion boards are quite popular for being inexpensive

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justinh:

yeah, ion boards are quite notorious for having very puny CPUs

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mianos:

USB tuner?

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koda|work:

and i wanted to use one of those with mythtv to have a nice settopbox

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mianos:

I've got a few dual USB tuners

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mianos:

work well for me

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mianos:

not approved

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koda|work:

but usb tuners are a nogo for me :\

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koda|work:

i wanted to have something integrated in single board

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justinh:

network dvb-t tuner?

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justinh:

no such thing exists

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mianos:

HDHomerun

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koda|work:

justinh, you can have puny cpus when you decode on the gpu :)

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justinh:

if you want a 'nettop' box with built-in tuner you'll be left wanting

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justinh:

muh, but when you decode on the GPU you're at the mercy of the broadcasters/content providers making a stream the hardware can decode properly

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mianos:

If you think USB tuners are ugly hanging out the back put one on the end of a USB cable next to the antenna socket

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justinh:

it's *best* to have enough spare CPU to be able to fall back to software decoding IMHO

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koda|work:

justinh ... http://news.softpedia.com/news/NVIDIA-ION-2-M . . . 170604.shtml

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justinh:

I got burned having to rely on Via XvMC

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koda|work:

mianos, that's my current setup actually

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koda|work:

i hoped there were something MOAR

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koda|work:

:)

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justinh:

softpedia? that sounds illegal in most countries

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veehexx:

lol

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justinh:

<yawn>

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justinh:

so uhh.. ion with a real CPU... oo that'll just be like a proper PC!

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koda|work:

justinh, why are you being a troll? :)

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justinh:

I'm not trolling

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koda|work:

indeed you are

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justinh:

I'm just repeatedly pointing out that Ion systems generally have lame computing power

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justinh:

and as 'good' as HW video decoding may seem at first, it's not suited to *everything* in all cases

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justinh:

I know this through bitter experience

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laga:

XvMC worked for many people, though, and so does vdpau ;)

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justinh:

having a teeny weeny little box that does everything does sound like a very nice idea. Sadly the reality is very different

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koda|work:

you didn't add anything useful to the topic, just posted nonsense about ion and showed very little knowledge about gpu vs. cpu decoding

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koda|work:

i call that trolling

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koda|work:

but enough about that

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justinh:

laga: XvMC worked great for me for a long time. Until it started acting up on some recordings

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koda|work:

i'll see if i can find something else

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koda|work:

cya

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justinh:

kormoc_afk: very little knowledge MY ASS

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justinh:

arghh darn autocomplete

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justinh:

I'm just saying that when GPU video decoding works – GREAT! Just don't go crying to anybody when you discover its limitations

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justinh:

and if you can budget for having enough headroom to fall back on software decoding, go for that

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justinh:

GPU video acceleration is still not the great solution to everything

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mianos:

what format is planned that won't have Nvidia support?

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justinh:

you just have to look at the -users mailing list to see that

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justinh:

mianos: who knows!

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laga:

yeah, well, ion nettops are still a bit smaller and cheaper than a "real" computer, so it's definitely worth looking into

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justinh:

besides there are plenty of things broadcasters are doing to current streams which make life tricky for GPU decoding

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justinh:

again, see the -users list for lots on that

[11:02:34]

mianos:

But, the same could be said for, say sigmatel

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justinh:

as far as the 'standards' of formats go there's a heck of a lot of variation

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mianos:

That's a good reason for the move to generic CUDA and not pure hardware.

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justinh:

mianos: true, but in the marketplace standalone hardware tends to stand up well – I mean stuff made specifically for the purpose of TV

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mianos:

Not just TV, sigmatel is probably the biggest in terms of chips for hardware based local video decoders

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mianos:

On the other hand, the ION2 solution is actually much more generic than a chip that's mainly hardware

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justinh:

people are going on & on about GPU decoding as if it's the solution to every problem. It ain't

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justinh:

there are still things it has problems with, and if you run into that sort of issue you'll be left wishing you had CPU grunt to decode the stuff in software

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justinh:

that's all I'm saying

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justinh:

YMMV

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mianos:

When the GPU is not actually dedicated hardware but a multiple CPU solution hooked up like a baby super computer it could well be the solution to many more problems

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veehexx:

i only consider hardware decoding for HD content.... which imo is a luxury.

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veehexx:

aslong as the hardware can handle SD, then thats good.

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mianos:

I'm not saying hardware like the Sigmatel would make any sense inside of a graphics card

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veehexx:

and im sure the atom could.

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justinh:

well yeah sure the atom can cope with SDTV.. probably

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veehexx:

i'd hope so :P otherwise everyone whos using atoms/ions for HTPC's is being very silly

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justinh:

the via box I used to use as a frontend couldn't play anything SD resolution without HW accel :-\

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mianos:

even my D525 atom can't decode and supersample 720p h264

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mianos:

bon the other hand 640x480 would be fine

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veehexx:

atoms wont – you need ion for hw decoding.

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veehexx:

afaik any hw decoding is done at gpu level, not cpu level.

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veehexx:

speaking of which, i hope my nvidia210 can handle 1080p..

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veehexx:

i'll have to test it out over the weekend.

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mianos:

I know, I started out using CPU+ when I first set up my box

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mianos:

and forget about deinterlacing

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mianos:

once it's done on the GPU, the CPU is down to < 1%

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mianos:

and the video is oh so smooth

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justinh:

veehexx: 1080P isn't even broadcast in the UK. It's a disc only format as far as we're concerned

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veehexx:

yeah, true. i dont even have much 1080p content, but i'd be interested if it can handle it.

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justinh:

I doubt I'll be buying any HD discs

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justinh:

or, indeed.. ANY discs

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veehexx:

it's handling 1080i fine (itvHD, BBC-HD)

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justinh:

lol ITVHD..

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justinh:

it's as if they thought there was anything worth watching on ITV, then they made it in HD!

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veehexx:

abit liike bbc most of the time. everytime i turn it on, it's kids programs

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veehexx:

bbcHD)

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justinh:

that's why smart people use PVRs

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justinh:

mind, it looks like I'll need HD once I'm forced into buying a flat panel TV. SD looks like utter crap on LCD/plasma

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veehexx:

your viewing the wrong stuff.

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veehexx:

my panasonic plasma is perfect

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veehexx:

naturally looks better in HD, but thats down to colours and res.

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justinh:

I wouldn't have a plasma

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justinh:

too thirsty

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veehexx:

better quality than LCD.

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veehexx:

true.

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justinh:

ideally I'd just replace my CRT with another CRT

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veehexx:

i think my 42" plasma is rated upto 240w draw.

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justinh:

but that's the world+dog batting against me

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justinh:

just 240W?

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justinh:

heh. I saw one 42" model which reckoned it sucked 600W

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veehexx:

i think so... i'd have to look again. definately not 600w though :o

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justinh:

I'd need a model I can turn off all the stupid bollocks processing on too

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veehexx:

plasma take more then LCD, but plasma varies consumption depending on brightness.

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justinh:

well yeah I know that

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justinh:

but 600W for something my wife leaves on most of the day.. yeesh

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mycosys:

also short lived

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mycosys:

not surprising for 3 million fluro tubes

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veehexx:

ah, sorry – 385w my 42" according to google.

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veehexx:

god knows where i got 240w from...

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justinh:

from an LCD :P

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veehexx:

maybe.

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mycosys:

god knows what my crt rearpro uses

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veehexx:

although i wouldnt touch LCD. everyone i've seen is dire.

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mycosys:

56"

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mycosys:

????

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mycosys:

then you have never seen an ips panel

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justinh:

oh, and it has to come in a casing that doesn't look like ass shiny black plastic

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justinh:

shiny black plastic... eew

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mycosys:

is stupid to just say LCD

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veehexx:

ips – seen on pc monitors.

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veehexx:

never looked into tv IPS's much.

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mycosys:

there are three active matrix LCD technologies – TN, PVA and IPS

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mycosys:

panasonics are all IPS

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veehexx:

since when?

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justinh:

can somebody please ban me – for a lifetime – from this channel? I think it's proving bad for my sanity again

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veehexx:

parents got one about a year ago – looks horrible.

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mycosys:

then it is maladjusted

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veehexx:

i thought that.

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veehexx:

or faulty backlight.

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mycosys:

my mum keeps hers horrible – tweak it and it is perfect

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veehexx:

or maybe im used to the brightness of my plasma.

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mycosys:

the best picture is OLED, then CRT, by dar

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mycosys:

*far

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veehexx:

im not sure about oled for tv.

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mycosys:

unfortunately apeture grill crt is no longer made, and sizable oled is worth more than a house lol

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veehexx:

nice for phones and rendered stuff, but im not convinced about it for natural pictures.

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veehexx:

...same view with LCD's. good for gamnig/CGI stuff.

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veehexx:

plasma/crt for reality stuff like discovery or soaps

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veehexx:

not that i plan to get it, any idea is mythtv supports 3d tv? (i'm guessing it's different to normal tv signal somehow)

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paulmcmahon:

hi, mythbuntu Xorg process is running at 100% cpu? :eeek

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sphery:

Wow, I'm back online... Only 13 hours downtime (plus the 11 hours last week makes 24hrs this month--I think the ISP should give me a 1-day credit on my bill)

[14:09:41]

** wagnerrp hands sphery $1.50 **

[14:10:02]

sphery:

heh

[14:11:15]

sphery:

of course my cable modem/ISP connection starts acting up right before I leave on a week-long trip... Wonder if it's related to them installing a cable line for my neighbor--which happened right before the first outage...

[14:11:36]

sphery:

at least I should be home, soon, so I can work on getting them to fix it

[14:11:56]

wagnerrp:

i seem to have gotten my IP issues fixed

[14:12:36]

wagnerrp:

i set up some script to ping out on all of my outbound addresses, as a keepalive

[14:12:49]

wagnerrp:

except... apparently i had already done this months ago

[14:13:09]

wagnerrp:

but the cron was set at one hour, dropping it to 10 minutes has resolved the issue

[14:13:15]

sphery:

ahhh, cool

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wagnerrp:

thats not cool, thats absurd

[14:16:22]

wagnerrp:

why such a quick reset?

[14:17:17]

sphery:

but cool that you figured it out/got it working

[14:17:37]

wagnerrp:

well apparently i had gotten it working months ago, just needed to drop the timing

[14:17:42]

sphery:

is it DHCP? renewal time that low or something?

[14:18:00]

wagnerrp:

kind of

[14:18:04]

sphery:

wow

[14:18:10]

wagnerrp:

i get 6 sequential addresses in the 10.xxx space

[14:18:19]

wagnerrp:

which are then mapped externally on their end

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sphery:

the hotel I was at had their dhcp leases set to 2-min renewal... seemed a little bit of overkill to me

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner, You should probably clarify *what* the issue you perceive to be with multirec is, since now the guy is just going to assume that *everything* he wrote (like his driver/hardware issues causing recording failures) are just MythTV bugs, which they're not

[14:24:48]

skd5aner:

ahhh – fair enough...

[14:24:53]

skd5aner:

let me add to what I said

[14:25:08]

iamlindoro:

He also claims that he can't watch liveTV on the other channels of the in-use mux

[14:25:12]

iamlindoro:

which is also false of multirec

[14:25:14]

skd5aner:

sorry – you know I rarely use the ML :)

[14:25:52]

skd5aner:

that he can't watch channels within a used mux?

[14:26:42]

skd5aner:

grrr... gmail is acting up for me this morning

[14:27:38]

Twiggy|worx:

would something like this still require a video card to comfortably watch hd? http://goo.gl/Fycph

[14:28:32]

wagnerrp:

that depends on the HD, could you elaborate?

[14:28:51]

Twiggy|worx:

some 1080i

[14:28:59]

wagnerrp:

further

[14:29:00]

Twiggy|worx:

mpeg 2

[14:29:10]

Twiggy|worx:

atsc

[14:29:17]

wagnerrp:

atsc... plenty fast

[14:29:35]

Twiggy|worx:

let me make sure, atsc is digital ota signal right?

[14:29:47]

wagnerrp:

north american digital broadcast, yes

[14:30:02]

Twiggy|worx:

okay, so then I could use the onboard video and be fine?

[14:30:16]

wagnerrp:

nah, still wouldnt buy it

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Twiggy|worx:

the combo?

[14:31:00]

wagnerrp:

its a big tower, meaning this would be... a backend?

[14:31:15]

wagnerrp:

i wouldnt bother with any board that only did 100mbps for a backend

[14:31:32]

skd5aner:

iamlindoro: was it a different thread he mentioned driver issues?

[14:31:34]

wagnerrp:

and honest, i see a difference when editing between 100mbps and gigabit on the frontend

[14:31:45]

Twiggy|worx:

no its a microatx board so I would also be buying a micro atx case too. This is more of establishing guidelines on what woudl work

[14:32:07]

wagnerrp:

it comes with a case, a big tower case

[14:32:08]

Twiggy|worx:

my backend isnt gigabit and does fine. There are only two computers wired though

[14:32:38]

wagnerrp:

well just between 10/100 and gigabit, i notice a difference when flipping between cut points in edit mode on the frontend

[14:32:42]

wagnerrp:

anyway... lets continue

[14:33:12]

wagnerrp:

a nvidia 6150... no VDPAU, no HDMI, likely limited DVI resolution, insufficient opengl performance for the opengl video renderer

[14:34:00]

wagnerrp:

'power up' power supply? never heard of 'em. dont trust them

[14:34:02]

Twiggy|worx:

so you are saying that I should still factor in a video card if I was going with something from a low end class

[14:34:12]

Twiggy|worx:

the case I got would have a psu in it

[14:34:24]

Twiggy|worx:

would get*

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wagnerrp:

better to go with something 300W or lower, and with an 80plus rating

[14:34:40]

wagnerrp:

Twiggy|worx: this combo comes with a case and power supply

[14:35:11]

Twiggy|worx:

yeah but I want micro atx and so far this barebones kit has been cheaper than a mobo/cpu kit plus the rest

[14:35:41]

sphery:

wagnerrp: So, there's no specific reason you know of that http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/IRC still says mythtv.beirdo.ca, but links to irc.mythtv.org, right?

[14:36:00]

wagnerrp:

sphery: didnt i change that a couple days ago?

[14:36:18]

sphery:

oh, page cache likely :)

[14:36:36]

wagnerrp:

no, i changed the links, not the actual name

[14:36:40]

sphery:

ahhh...

[14:36:41]

sphery:

cool

[14:37:17]

sphery:

yeah, was trying to decide whether to say irc.mythtv.org (which has a placeholder) or irc.mythtv.org/ircLog or just say, "the MythTV website".

[14:38:12]

blizzard_:

Does mythtv work with multiswitches?

[14:38:25]

wagnerrp:

satellite multiswitches?

[14:39:19]

sphery:

wagnerrp: thanks for changing it--so I don't have to look up my wiki password :)

[14:39:25]

blizzard_:

wagn; yes

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blizzard_:

im lookin' at a quad/quattro setup

[14:39:41]

wagnerrp:

blizzard_: yes, it supports disecq

[14:41:15]

wagnerrp:

Twiggy|worx: this, with a $25 video card? http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDeta . . . Combo.575619

[14:41:43]

blizzard_:

multiswitches are transparent to diseqc?

[14:42:03]

wagnerrp:

you control mulitswitches using diseqc

[14:42:17]

blizzard_:

aaaah

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Twiggy|worx:

man, all these computer will have better specs than my main computer :-/

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blizzard_:

if using a multiswitch, what will go down to the backend? all frequencies as once?

[14:43:05]

blizzard_:

what im going for is how many tv tuners I need for a quattro LNB setup?

[14:43:06]

wagnerrp:

theres an Ath II X2 3.2 for about the same price

[14:43:28]

wagnerrp:

i really dont know what a multiswitch is

[14:43:33]

Twiggy|worx:

obviously I need to stay above 8xxx series, but do you have a reccomendation for video card?

[14:45:09]

wagnerrp:

this looks like a winner... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121385

[14:45:22]

wagnerrp:

bit more expensive than they were a couple weeks ago

[14:46:16]

Twiggy|worx:

when they say low profile ready, does that mean that they come with a low profile face plate too?

[14:46:27]

wagnerrp:

yes

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Twiggy|worx:

okay

[14:47:27]

Twiggy|worx:

will a 275watt psu be okay?

[14:47:52]

wagnerrp:

is it 80plus? how much does it cost?

[14:49:22]

wagnerrp:

someone needs to slap warpme with a real mail client

[14:49:42]

Twiggy|worx:

I dont know what 80plus is, http://goo.gl/F5nEJ

[14:51:01]

wagnerrp:

that PSU is a piece of junk

[14:51:28]

wagnerrp:

weve got those kinds at work, they die frequently

[14:51:39]

wagnerrp:

ive got a pile of dead ones in the corner of the server room

[14:52:23]

Twiggy|worx:

man, its hard to build for cheap lol

[14:52:47]

wagnerrp:

its easy to build cheap, but then you get cheap garbage

[14:52:52]

wagnerrp:

its more difficult to build inexpensive

[14:53:25]

Twiggy|worx:

very true

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sphery:

80 PLUS ftw!

[14:55:56]

Twiggy|worx:

I thought that micro atx's came in dimensions that only their psu's would fit into (typically)

[14:56:38]

sphery:

switching to 80 PLUS PSUs has started saving me approx $1.50/mo/PC on power (for my 24/7 PCs, which run at full load, thanks to BOINC/SETI@home... a /modern/ PC that idles most of the time will see much less (negligible?) savings)

[14:57:07]

sphery:

80 PLUS is just a certification that a PSU has tested to provide 80% efficiency or higher from 20% to 100% PSU load

[14:57:22]

wagnerrp:

sphery: i see it more as a certification of quality, than efficiency

[14:57:23]

sphery:

they come in standard PSU size(s)

[14:57:38]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, that's definitely the best benefit for most

[14:58:05]

sphery:

though the non-quality ones will definitely be lower efficiency--even when they claim "up to 85% efficiency"

[14:58:09]

wagnerrp:

i have a hatred of inwin and their flexatx PSUs

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Twiggy|worx:

so what about other packaged micro atx/psu's? do you basically group them all at crap. Asside from the expensive good quality bundles?

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sphery:

wow... I just realized that Red Hat and hatred use the exact same letters...

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wagnerrp:

microatx is a motherboard form factor

[15:01:03]

sphery:

FWIW, I have gotten all my 80 PLUS PSUs (all ATX PSUs) for $39.99 or less (one at $39.99, most at $29.99, and one as low as $19.99)

[15:01:04]

Twiggy|worx:

micro atx cases

[15:01:05]

wagnerrp:

it bears no relation to the power supply, other than requiring a 20/24-pin PSU

[15:01:22]

wagnerrp:

similarly, you can find all sorts of PSUs in mATX cases

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Twiggy|worx:

so then just look for a good psu in a microatx case?

[15:02:13]

Twiggy|worx:

Am I correct in thinking that there is a big variation in micro atx psu size/form factor?

[15:02:19]

Twiggy|worx:

Or are they basically all the same?

[15:03:37]

sphery:

looks like there are 2 basic types--AT and ATX ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_power_supply#AT_vs._ATX ). Physical specs should be pretty much standard on all ATX PSUs, I think?

[15:04:10]

wagnerrp:

sphery: then theres SFX and TFX which are smaller form factor

[15:04:15]

sphery:

ahhh

[15:04:31]

sphery:

wikipedia has failed me!

[15:04:32]

wagnerrp:

then theres all the inwin garbage that claims TFX, but its really about 2/3 the size of TFX

[15:04:48]

Twiggy|worx:

sphery, did you watch nikita last night?

[15:05:02]

sphery:

no, haven't started that series, yet

[15:05:08]

wagnerrp:

then theres the cases that have an integrated PSU somewhere up front, with a wire running to the back

[15:05:37]

Twiggy|worx:

your lucky, there isnt a new episode till april 7 and last night was a great episode

[15:05:43]

sphery:

cool

[15:05:51]

sphery:

I heard that show may get cancelled?

[15:06:37]

Twiggy|worx:

I dunno, I think they like to cancel my favorite shows lol

[15:06:59]

sphery:

bythenumbers seems to think it won't be cancelled, though: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/02/15/c . . . mment-page-3

[15:07:04]

Twiggy|worx:

I am glad fringe will still be there... I hope at least

[15:08:23]

sphery:

yeah, Fringe is great...

[15:08:38]

sphery:

I'm ecstatic that Supernatural is almost definitely being renewed

[15:08:58]

Twiggy|worx:

really?

[15:09:01]

sphery:

a series whose creator saw it as a 5-season show (and basically left after S5) getting a 7th season

[15:09:09]

Twiggy|worx:

I like that the show didnt start to suck when he left

[15:09:13]

sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

Sera Gamble is doing great with it

[15:09:36]

sphery:

but then again, her episodes in S5 were the best ones of the season

[15:09:38]

Twiggy|worx:

he didnt leave though, he is just assistant producer, i think

[15:09:40]

justinh:

lol @ the definition of a cold boot on the -users ML

[15:09:50]

justinh:

power down, remove card, wait 10 hours

[15:09:56]

sphery:

yeah, he's still working with it--just not the "show runner" now

[15:10:16]

sphery:

justinh: didn't they say remove /cord/ (like power cord)

[15:10:27]

justinh:

oh yeah that too

[15:10:31]

Twiggy|worx:

I like smallville, but I feel like its so old it needs the closure

[15:10:38]

justinh:

stand on one head, sacrifice a dolphin...

[15:10:38]

sphery:

oh, must be another that said remove card

[15:10:41]

sphery:

missed that

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wagnerrp:

Twiggy|worx: were i building a mythtv box today, this is probably what i would get... http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishD . . . ber=12536714

[15:11:31]

sphery:

Twiggy|worx: yeah, Smallville just wasn't the same after Lex and Chloe left--and even with Chloe back, it's, er, not great

[15:11:31]

justinh:

remove power cord, remove clothing, remove card. stamp on card with bare feet. wait 1 hour. stamp on other side of card with bare feet. insert card to pc chassis again == cold boot

[15:11:53]

Twiggy|worx:

sphery, yeah I feel chloe is back just to make people happy

[15:11:59]

sphery:

I do agree with wagnerrp, though, that the constant lack of communication, lack of trust, and backstabbing among friends was annoying

[15:12:10]

sphery:

agreed

[15:12:37]

sphery:

and was easier for her to agree when they realized it was the final season

[15:12:46]

sphery:

agree to come back, that is

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Twiggy|worx:

wagnerrp, I am trying to keep it under 300, plus I am not in need so I can wait for any deals that pop up. This is moreso a feeler for what deals would be good and what would not

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wagnerrp:

i dont like tigerdirect combo deals, since theyre all going to be on old hardware

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sphery:

plus, seems tigerdirect gives great prices on hardware, but makes up for it in shipping costs

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Twiggy|worx:

wagnerrp, okay I will stay away from them

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wagnerrp:

sphery: do you know if the Athlon IIs are custom dies? or just Phenom IIs with the cache disabled?

[15:23:29]

Twiggy|worx:

welp, I have to put this transmission back together and irc is really killing my productivity. Thanks for the advice wagnerrp. I imagine between now and when I actually buy the stuff I will be back in here asking for more advice.

[15:24:14]

JEDIDIAH___:

if this is for a frontend, I would go with fewer faster cores over more slower ones.

[15:24:39]

wagnerrp:

yeah, you can get a dual core processor plenty fast for bluray playback

[15:25:03]

JEDIDIAH___:

flash seems to do better with faster cores too.

[15:25:06]

wagnerrp:

and hdpvr output is all single sliced (single thread)

[15:25:42]

JEDIDIAH___:

at the same clock rate, intel is faster.

[15:25:46]

wagnerrp:

plus dual cores tend to run a lot lower power than quads, even at the higher clock rates

[15:26:05]

Twiggy|worx:

seeing as how my main fe is a a E3200 celeron, it is depressing to know that I am building a budget computer that is better. Who knows maybe I will take the better processor and put it in my main computer and put the celeron in whatever I build

[15:26:16]

wagnerrp:

the original proposed 2.4GHz Phenom (1) X4 would choke on full bitrate HDPVR content

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JEDIDIAH___:

I would go with a core2 @ 2.8ghz

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justinh:

Twiggy|worx: my frontend is the fastest machine in my house by a long way. It's depressing

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justinh:

just waiting for a T9500 CPU to get a bit cheaper then I can update my laptop

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sphery:

wagnerrp: sorry... don't know details--I quit following low-level chip architecture stuff years ago (was taking too much time keeping up)

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wagnerrp:

just wondering from a power consumption standpoint

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sphery:

ahh... not sure, but I did see a nice discussion/slides on Bulldozer power consumption at http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/24/amd_b . . . _core_isscc/ (slides on p2)

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wagnerrp:

the power gating looks interesting, with being able to completely disable full modules

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sphery:

wagnerrp: definitely interesting... I'm hoping that's on all their consumer chips, too--the e-series and c-series and such

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sphery:

(consumer Fusion chips, that is, versus the Bulldozer (Opteron replacement) chips)

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sphery:

i.e. Bobcat chips as well as Bulldozer

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seannn:

hi guy, i have two tuners with the same content, i added one channel lineup (source) and pointed both hd-pvr's at it. It sometimes tunes the wrong channels for scheduled recordings. Would this have something to do with me using the same channel list.

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iamlindoro:

No

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iamlindoro:

Almost definitely a problem with your channel change script/IR blasting

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seannn:

Thanks iamlindoro

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seannn:

I am using the script from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Exte . . . nnel_Changer

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GlemSom:

when I get this -> http://pastebin.com/TYfMKt5V Is that simply because my ION-2 is unable to render the video?

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GlemSom:

Well, or not powerfull enough I mean

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seannn:

I am using the second script down with the irsend SET_TRANSMITTERS command

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iamlindoro:

seannn: IR Blasting is an uncertain thing-- depending on the cable box you might ahve to tweak the sleep between digits, or more carefully isolate the emitter/IR Eye on your cable box, etc.

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iamlindoro:

Ideally, you'd do both

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iamlindoro:

you want to make sure the transmitter isn't sending digits too fast for your box to process (in which case you'd up the sleep) or too slow (in which case you'd reduce it) and that the emitter is the right distance and aim at the cable box (tape/black cloth/etc can help and is trial and error)

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iamlindoro:

ie if you were supposed to get something on channel 604 and you got channel 64, then that's a pretty clear indication that it's an IR blasting issue

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seannn:

Ok

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seannn:

It never changes to the wrong channel with I use livetv. it only tunes to the from channel when it is a scheduled recording

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seannn:

Thanks for the help

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iamlindoro:

GlemSom: The ION is not capable of keeping up with Advanced 2x (which you are using) on 1080i content

[17:34:54]

iamlindoro:

You need to use a less intensive deinterlacer

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iamlindoro:

Andvanced 1x or Temporal 2x

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iamlindoro:

seannn: np

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iamlindoro:

GlemSom: The "VDPAU Slim" playback profile is tailored for ION and ION-like GPUs

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GlemSom:

iamlindoro, I'm using the "normal VDPAU" profile, which I using temporal x2 for SD content (iirc)

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iamlindoro:

GlemSom: 2011-02–25 18:27:05.808 VDP: GetFilteredDeint() : vdpau -> 'vdpauadvanceddoublerate'

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GlemSom:

iamlindoro, ok, I'll give that a go then

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iamlindoro:

You're using Advanced 2x

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GlemSom:

iamlindoro, No? That'

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GlemSom:

temporal x2

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GlemSom:

ohh

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GlemSom:

you're right :P

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GlemSom:

sorry

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** GlemSom gotta learn how to read **

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GlemSom:

hmm, what about : VSYNC: DRMVideoSync: Could not open device /dev/dri/card0, No such file or directory

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GlemSom:

and VSYNC: RTCVideoSync: Could not open /dev/rtc, Permission denied.

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seannn:

iamlindoro: Do you think it is weird that it always tunes properly for live tv and always tunes the wrong channel for scheduled recordings?

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GlemSom:

could that give prom

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GlemSom:

problems too

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GlemSom:

ffs stupid enter key on this stupid keyboard is misplaced! >:(

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iamlindoro:

seannn: no, I don't think it's weird, timings are subtly different

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iamlindoro:

GlemSom: VDPAU has its own independent VSync, so those messages aren't relevant

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GlemSom:

iamlindoro, ahh ok! :)

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seannn:

iamlindoro: Really! How do I edit the timing for the scheduled recordings. I thought it used the same channel change scripts.

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iamlindoro:

seannn: you don't, the timing differences are in code, and not what you're thinking of

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seannn:

oh ok, i will just play with the scipts then

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seannn:

and the placement of the ir transmitters

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GlemSom:

hmm odd, according to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU, it should do advanced x2 for SD content... (And yes, I have 2 RAM sticks in there)

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stuartm:

was the old 'rebuild db' script replaced by something else, or just dropped?

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GlemSom:

hmm odd, even with temporal x2 it still stutters! :( -> http://pastebin.com/4bZsm5CB

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iamlindoro:

GlemSom: You also may have an audio issue

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iamlindoro:

specifically, if you are using resampling then it could cause the audio to get ahead and stuttering in trying to catch up

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GlemSom:

iamlindoro, Well, even VDPAU slim failes... So yeah – maybe I should look elsewhere then just the video...

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, if all the playback profiles are stuttering then I would conclude that it's probably an audio issue

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iamlindoro:

(though I am not a Myth audio expert so I can't be certain where exactly)

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GlemSom:

How-ever, I'm not upsampling the audio (Not that I know of )

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adub_:

is there a way to have commercials automatically deleted

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adub_:

also how do you search the guide for a particular show you want to record

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justinh:

you don't wanna delete commercials you've flagged. not without checking the recording has been flagged properly first

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justinh:

btw see how VDPAU solves all the video decoding problems at a stroke! LOL

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justinh:

adub_: I recommend you look in the wiki & read the user manual :)

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GlemSom:

Kinda odd a ION-2 board (with dual-channel RAM) can't even play a 720x576 recording using VDPAU without stutter! :/

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wagnerrp:

justinh: well in theory, we should be able to do a simple benchmark to determine GPU throughput and set the profile

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kormoc:

GlemSom, odd only to you :P

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: but hardware decoding is a panacea of epic proportions

[19:04:21]

wagnerrp:

it will cure hunger, cancer, and bring back the dinosaurs

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wagnerrp:

and give iamlindoro a pony

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GlemSom:

kormoc, really? even a 8000 series card can do SD content using vdpau! :(

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kormoc:

It's about time. He's wanted a pony for years now!

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wagnerrp:

GlemSom: an 8000 series can decode specifically defined content

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wagnerrp:

it cannot decode all forms of SD content

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kormoc:

GlemSom, it depends on the content. A single flag out of thousands of encoder flags will make that content impossible to decode via VDPAU

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wagnerrp:

if you have an 8000 series card that can handle that content using VDPAU, while an ION2 will not, you could have an argument

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wagnerrp:

if your ION2 cannot handle it, chances are an 8000 series card could not either

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iamlindoro:

AT LAST!

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iamlindoro:

PONIEZ!

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wagnerrp:

GlemSom: thats why we all keep saying that while VDPAU is great, it should not be relied upon

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wagnerrp:

and you should always have a processor sufficiently powerful to fall back on

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wagnerrp:

an Atom just doesnt fit the bill

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GlemSom:

Well, so the whole "silent-vdpau-cable-frontend" setup just isn't going to work at all then :/ Really had my hopes up for the AT5IONT-I mainboard... :/

[19:15:31]

wagnerrp:

sure it will, pick up a dual core real processor, and a nice aftermarket heatsink

[19:15:40]

GlemSom:

I have the exact mainboard with a WIndows 7 computer... And its so great having a silent setup playing 1080p without any issues (using coreavc though)

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wagnerrp:

coreavc is a software decoder

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wagnerrp:

no hardware acceleration

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GlemSom:

yeap it is

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GlemSom:

that's why I found it a bit odd vdpau can't even play SD content

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wagnerrp:

and coreavc will not be capable of 1080p decoding on an atom

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wagnerrp:

any proper bitrate content will require too much power

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GlemSom:

wagnerrp, Yeap it is, just watches a episode of "House" in 1080p, playes just fine

[19:17:49]

wagnerrp:

house is not 1080p, unless you buy it on bluray

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GlemSom:

ok, it was a.. uhhhmmm... rip, but still.. it's WAAAY higher bitrate then my SD recording

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wagnerrp:

and then you certainly will not be able to play ittttt on an Atttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttom

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wagnerrp:

crap

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squidly:

wagnerrp: having issues with lag on your atom? :P

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GlemSom:

Is thre anything in the video-clip that should be really hard to decode -> http://glemsom.users.anapnea.net/sd-playback.mpeg

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wagnerrp:

house is only broadcast 720p, and the bluray will be >20Mbps

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wagnerrp:

squidly: nah, X over ssh over consumer intenet, over wireless network

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GlemSom:

hmm, xbmc's mythtv plugin is kinda buggy under Linux... But... Maybe it's more stable under Windows... That might be an option then ?

[19:21:16]

wagnerrp:

it will be equally buggy under linux and windows

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wagnerrp:

the code is all cross-platform

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wagnerrp:

so operating system is irrelevent

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stuartm:

GlemSom: you can't playback that clip?

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GlemSom:

stuartm, Nope, it stutters with messages like: " Video is 3.07095 frames behind audio (too slow), dropping frame to catch up."

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wagnerrp:

how are you playing the audio?

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stuartm:

sounds like an audio configuration issue

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GlemSom:

with audio-upmix turned off, and a xorg.conf like -> http://pastebin.com/aXSX67eh

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GlemSom:

wagnerrp, Using SPDIF (NOT via HDMI)

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wagnerrp:

audio has nothing to do with xorg.conf

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GlemSom:

wagnerrp, I know, it was just for info regarding my X setup

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: arent there some sound cards that will only do 44.1k over spdif?

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GlemSom:

wagnerrp, Though, in dmesg – I've noticed it detects a HDMI audio device... But.. I don't use it though...

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GlemSom:

wagnerrp, Well, the audio does NOT stutter at all

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GlemSom:

IT's ONLY the video that stutters

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GlemSom:

Not saying that it's not a audio-related issue... but... audio-output seems to work fine.

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wagnerrp:

mp2 audio... this is from an mpeg encoder card?

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stuartm:

GlemSom: yes, because we're dropping video frames to keep it in sync with the audio (which is playing out too slowly)

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stuartm:

s/slowly/fast/

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GlemSom:

There's an advanced setting to force 48k... Maybe I should give that a go ?

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GlemSom:

I'll be ******... That actually seemed to work...

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GlemSom:

Though, iirc my receiver can do 44.1k.. But... guess that does not mean my audio-card can... ?

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iamlindoro:

[mythtv-users] Trouble with DVB-C card, only partially recognized

[20:06:03]

iamlindoro:

Jesus Christ

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iamlindoro:

this guy

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iamlindoro:

Wants to know why his DVB card isn't creating a /dev/video node

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iamlindoro:

So I tell him it's not relevant to DVB

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iamlindoro:

but he insists it's used for DVB cards

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iamlindoro:

which is nonsense

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iamlindoro:

So he puts some other (hybrid) card in and gets a /dev/video node and concludes he's right, and is ready to RMA the card

[20:08:11]

iamlindoro:

some people really are clue proof

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wagnerrp:

are there even any DVB-C cards you would want as an analog input?

[20:08:41]

wagnerrp:

i thought the hauppauge ones that did it were all framegrabbers

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iamlindoro:

He doesn't even understand that part, though

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iamlindoro:

he thinks that you need a /dev/video node to get video from the *digital* side

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iamlindoro:

so I keep telling him /dev/video has *nothing* to do with digital reception

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iamlindoro:

which he refuses to believe

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iamlindoro:

"Thanks for the quick reply. It seems /dev/video devices are still created for the digital cards. I currently have two working cards:" (dmesg) "AFAIK digital videocard still use /dev/video to get the (digital) stream."

[20:11:20]

iamlindoro:

which I tell him is not correct, then he puts in his other card (with analog hardware), gets a /dev/video node, and concludes that I'm wrong

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wagnerrp:

!seen devinheitmueller

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MythLogBot:

devinheitmueller was last seen 1 day 20 hours 50 minutes 6 seconds ago

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wagnerrp:

!seen awalls

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MythLogBot:

awalls was last seen 4 days 1 hour 12 minutes 37 seconds ago

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skd5aner:

!seen RDV_linux

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MythLogBot:

RDV_linux was last seen 12 days 10 hours 36 minutes 28 seconds ago

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wagnerrp:

!seen stoth

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MythLogBot:

stoth was last seen 22 days 18 hours 37 minutes 6 seconds ago

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skd5aner:

!seen /dev/video on a DVB card

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MythLogBot:

/dev/video on a DVB card has not been seen here

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justinh:

ls -al /dev/ |grep video ... oo look – and I only have DVB-T tuners in my backend :p

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justinh:

kernel sees the framegrabber chip used as a PCI bridge and voila! /dev/videoX

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iamlindoro:

heh, but that assumes your hardware *has* a framegrabber

[20:20:59]

iamlindoro:

this guy wants to use his DVB card as a DVB card, and it's visible in mythtv-setup, and it has a /dev/dvb node, which means it is basically 100% functional.... but he's going to RMA it because he's 100% sure it needs a video node to function

[20:22:15]

justinh:

loads of digi tuners sadly do sit on the back of framegrabber chips. Most of them even have analogue video inputs

[20:22:35]

iamlindoro:

sure, but that's not relevant here

[20:22:39]

justinh:

anyway, there's only so much you can do to stop people being stupid :)

[20:22:57]

** wagnerrp raises one mythtv developer, and threatens trumping with a linuxtv developer **

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justinh:

maybe after the 3rd return of the hardware he buys he'll cotton on

[20:23:19]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: heh, thanks

[20:23:42]

iamlindoro:

I suppose it *would* be better to just let him RMA it if he wants to learn the hard way

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Beirdo:

ka-POW

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Beirdo:

god, I love dry weather.... every time I move, I get a huge schock

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Beirdo:

shock rather

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marc_us:

I think "schock" is the Klingon translation

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wagnerrp:

could be worse, ive got so mmuch drainage, coughing up a ball of phlegm this morning almost made me vomit

[20:29:50]

wagnerrp:

that, plus the people around here are friggen scared of water

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Beirdo:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

Hahah, boom goes the dynamite, there's Devin

[20:30:31]

Beirdo:

Please RMA your card to my address. Thanks.

[20:30:32]

wagnerrp:

people were driving 4-abrest on the highway last night at 45

[20:30:38]

wagnerrp:

because they were afraid of the rain

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Beirdo:

Oh, I'm not going to return it...

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo: Heh, for all the good a DVB-C card will do you

[20:30:56]

Beirdo:

iamlindoro: hmm, good point. :)

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justinh:

wagnerrp: same story here – only in Manchester UK you'd think they were well used to rain by now

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Beirdo:

they do the same in PR, where it rains nearly daily

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iamlindoro:

We have driving rain here today, but I still had to get in a long run

[20:32:44]

Beirdo:

going 25mph on a 65mph freeway because it's raining (even slightly)

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iamlindoro:

My wicking run shorts weighed 8 pounds when I got back, I checked. They usually weigh a few ounces. So much for wicking

[20:32:51]

wagnerrp:

the traction control kicking in just means you need to hit the gas harder to maintain 75mph

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justinh:

I like that notion of 'having' to run. It amused me

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wagnerrp:

:)

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Beirdo:

8 pounds! Wow..

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kormoc:

justinh, when you have guys with guns behind ya...

[20:33:50]

Beirdo:

listening to a very prophetic song.... Nirvana – I Hate Myself And Want To Die

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, the wick worked. It was just drier on the inside so it wicked in rather then out

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: hes in england, they come after him with knive

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Beirdo:

hhehehe

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kormoc:

ooh, right

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wagnerrp:

s

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** justinh thought it would be more like "my mrs hates me & she wants me to die" **

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: I wouldn't say any part of me was dry :)

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Beirdo:

justinh: well, given what the lead singer did a few years later...

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kormoc:

Beirdo, he's referencing the same event

[20:36:10]

kormoc:

Beirdo, his death wasn't so cut and dry. Lots of folks think Love did it

[20:36:20]

Beirdo:

yeah, good point... A whole lotta hate goin' round

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justinh:

conspiraceh!

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justinh:

well that's another popup done.. can't be many left now

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iamlindoro:

har har

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iamlindoro:

can't be that many left

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** Beirdo slaps java. **

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iamlindoro:

har har

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Beirdo:

stop sucking!

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justinh:

iamlindoro: you may laugh. it's partly your fault :P

[20:38:39]

Beirdo:

Oooh, it wasn't loading because it was asking me to upgrade

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justinh:

if you'd made a theme my wife liked I wouldn't have to do this :D

[20:39:04]

Beirdo:

Listening to Beavis & Butthead is always fun

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iamlindoro:

justinh: Hah, if you'd married someone with good taste in themes we'd all be fine ;)

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justinh:

Beirdo: careful, or you'll end up with the yahoo toolbar & openoffice installed too

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Beirdo:

good taste in themes AND in men?

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justinh:

that's asking way too much!

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justinh:

good taste in themes AND in men AND in TV shows? ROFLMAO

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justinh:

that'd be somebody else's wife :D

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iamlindoro:

justinh: I thought you were referring to the numbers of windows in popups, for which I am also partly responsible, heh

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Beirdo:

heh

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iamlindoro:

er windows and

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kormoc:

Feel the love

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iamlindoro:

justinh: Why, I've added 5 or 6 new windows for .25 alone!

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** justinh groans **

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iamlindoro:

haha

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iamlindoro:

But FWIW I also prevented the senseless adding of a few more

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justinh:

ach well – better to be able to control how they look rather than have to look at qtarded window decoration

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iamlindoro:

besides, I think you will like the new stuff

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iamlindoro:

It's right up your alley-- simplicity

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iamlindoro:

which is not to say that you are simple

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justinh:

the popups have been pretty easy actually. once I sorted out the base stuff

[20:42:39]

iamlindoro:

but rather, that you appreciate accessible things

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justinh:

getting that right saved me shedloads of time

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justinh:

heh yeah I know what you mean :)

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** Beirdo head-desks **

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justinh:

ugh. James Corden is lined up for the new season of Dr Who. WHY?

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iamlindoro:

justinh: This is part of the new windows for .25: http://www.fecitfacta.com/simplevideosetup.png

[20:46:34]

iamlindoro:

Simple, like you actually wanted people to understand it (madness, I know)

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** justinh faints **

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iamlindoro:

Little wizard sets up hardware profiling/submits to mythtv.org, allows you to set up and test audio using a similarly simple window, and then test which playback profiles work for you without having to go through four dozen screens, then back way out, then test, then go back through four dozen screens...

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justinh:

wah! stamps foot!!!!!!!!!! But *I* had to do it the old way, so everybody else should be doomed to too!!!! WAHHH ;-)

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iamlindoro:

Here's audio, for those interested: http://www.fecitfacta.com/audio.png

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justinh:

seriously though, that is very very neat

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iamlindoro:

and a video of the hardware profile stuff: http://www.fecitfacta.com/hardwareprofile.ogg

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justinh:

what next? detecting a DVB card without a user having to look for the /video node? ;-)

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iamlindoro:

maddddnessss

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wagnerrp:

wait, since when do DVB cards need video nodes?

[20:53:15]

iamlindoro:

Since we read it on the users list!

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wagnerrp:

now he has a card with an svhs input

[20:53:37]

iamlindoro:

He plugged in a DVB card and he ended up with a video node! Q.E.D.!

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wagnerrp:

must be a big card to have a tape drive attached

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justinh:

lol

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Beirdo:

Hmmm. feels like nap time

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wagnerrp:

but youre at work

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wagnerrp:

better get some emerald nuts

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Beirdo:

?!

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wagnerrp:

lest robert goulet mess with your stuff while napping

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Beirdo:

oooh, that commercial, trues

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Beirdo:

true rather

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Beirdo:

yeah, stupid post-lunch coma.

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adub_:

how can i search the guide for something that may be coming on in the future

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veehexx:

anyone know the default kernel version for mythbuntu 10.10?

[22:27:03]

veehexx:

...and just to be clear... the cd version, not the latest via updates ;)

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SagaciousKJB:

Hello, all. Does anyone know if there is a common problem causing the IR blaster that comes with the Hauppaug HVR1600 from not blasting correctly? Using the common channel change scripts available, mine tends to leave the first, middle or end digit off no matter what I set the delay interval.

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SagaciousKJB:

Could it be a problem with the way the blaster is mounted on the STB?

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arnie-b:

adub_: you can search in mythweb

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arnie-b:

search in myth tends to crash the program :-o

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squidly:

arnie-b: I have not had issues with serach crashing the frontend

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arnie-b:

really? mine has always crashed

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arnie-b:

thought it was just one of those things

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squidly:

arnie-b: yep. It's been very good for me

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squidly:

arnie-b: what version of myth are you running?

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squidly:

I have to admit I have not really used the search in mythtv frontend for 0.24.. but for 0.20 though 0.23 I have had nothing but good luck with the search

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arnie-b:

in the 'schedule recordings' section?

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squidly:

yep

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squidly:

I had issues with mythweb serach for a long time

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keith4_:

SagaciousKJB, how many digits are the channels? just 3?

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SagaciousKJB:

keith4: Yeah

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SagaciousKJB:

keith4_ In fact, I only have a handful of channels that aren't 3 digits

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keith4_:

I had problems similar to that when my provider moved the HD channels to 4-digit space

[23:18:39]

keith4_:

but it doesn't sound like that has anything to do with your issue ;-)

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SagaciousKJB:

Yeah, I'm not too sure what the issue is. I think that it's got something to do with the delay between each digit and/or the way my IR blaster is mounted to the STB

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SagaciousKJB:

It has an adhesive side that you're supposed to stick up against the reciever for the STB, but I've heard that there could be problems with it being too close, but I haven't tried moving it yet

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adub_:

how can i see where commercials are in my recordings i saw where when someone was fast forwarding it would show in the bar a different color to where the commercials were

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wagnerrp:

adub_: no, that only shows up in edit mode

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StevenR:

hrrm. ok. what happened to the show I just recorded?

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trumee:

One of the programs in my EPG changes its start time by +-10 minutes. It comes on every Saturday between 7.30 and 8.30. How can set a recording rule which can capture that?

[23:28:39]

StevenR:

apparently the logs say it should be local, but it couldn't be found :S

[23:29:09]

StevenR:

trumee: record every week on that channel?

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trumee:

StevenR, i want to search and record that program everyweek on saturday between 7.30 and 8.30

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kormoc:

GlemSom, turn off your deinterlacers?

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kormoc:

trumee, so write a power rule?

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trumee:

kormoc, how do i do that?

[23:33:03]

trumee:

kormoc, is that a custom rule? i am using mythweb to schedule recordings

[23:33:30]

kormoc:

personally I don't do such weird recording rules

[23:33:43]

kormoc:

if I want a show, I want the show, not any specific showing

[23:33:49]

kormoc:

but yes, a power rule is a custom rules

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trumee:

kormoc, thanks

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StevenR:

so. where is that show that myth should have recorded? The logs claim it's there, but it just isn't.

[23:39:58]

kormoc:

it's hiding under the sofa

[23:40:33]

StevenR:

don't have a sofa

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StevenR:

:P

[23:41:57]

StevenR:

it's just not there. Yet I don't see any failures logged

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GlemSom:

kormoc, Yeah... That would look really good! :P

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kormoc:

GlemSom, it's the first step towards figuring out if it's the gpu or not. Those cards use the same hardware for decoding and deinterlacing.

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GlemSom:

kormoc, Ok, I'll do a few tests

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GlemSom:

kormoc, Does VDPAU filters like vdpaustudio and vdpaucolorspace require extra power too ?

[23:48:18]

kormoc:

GlemSom, yes

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pulz:

anyone know of any cli commands to scan for muxes / tv channels?

[23:49:52]

wagnerrp:

'scan'

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gnat42:

hello, I'm trying to get mythtv to auto transcode to mp4, I thought I had it all setup however all I have is a bunch of mpgs of recorded shows (hauppage 150 card)

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gnat42:

anyone have tips/pointers of where to look. the logs say nothing about attempted transcoding

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wagnerrp:

gnat42: you dont want to autotranscode to mpeg4

[23:50:27]

gnat42:

but the scheduled recordings I have checked off the transcode

[23:50:39]

gnat42:

wagnerrp: why not?

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wagnerrp:

if anything, you want to transcode to h264, but you really only want to do that if you need it for specific device support

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pulz:

wagnerrp: what package is that a part of ?

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wagnerrp:

beyond that, just do a lossless mpeg2-->mpeg2 transcode for commercial clipping once you make a proper cutlist

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wagnerrp:

pulz: dvb-utils

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mianos:

I use handbrake to convert some shows to a format I can watch on my phone in h264

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gnat42:

I'd prefer to bring the filesize down if possible, plus its playing to a PS3

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mianos:

I's a simple command line

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gnat42:

so I should probably get the auto mpg2-mpg2 with comercials removed first

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gnat42:

can myth automate that?

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wagnerrp:

gnat42: no, you must manually create a cutlist

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gnat42:

ok

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mianos:

Not that I could work out, the built in commercial flags are really only for the myth player

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wagnerrp:

the automatic commercial detection cannot be trusted to be reliable for a permanent removal of video data

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mianos:

unless, as said, you export them

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wagnerrp:

you can load the commercial skip data as a guide to follow in edit mode

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mianos:

I did have a try at using an exported cutlist to make chapter markers

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spasysheep:

not certain this is the right place to ask, but I have a Hauppage WinTV NOVA T 500 which I can't get to work on Ubuntu 10.10. It uses the VIA USB chips as far as I can tell

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pulz:

wagnerrp: scan need atleast 1 mux to find stuff, what if i dont have any infoo

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wagnerrp:

scan cannot be used to import channels into mythtv anyway

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