Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, February 23rd, 2011, 00:00 UTC

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keith4_:

fixes20110121, that is

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keith4_:

e.g., this ticket: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8990

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k-man:

so when i build master from git, i get this error: http://pastebin.com/XXadP8A7

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k-man:

maybe i need to do a make clean?

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wagnerrp:

GreyFoxx: someone on /. claiming theyre using it over in the UK

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Beirdo:

MythFillSuggestedRunTime 2011-02–23T09:35:09

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Beirdo:

aw come on. I gotta wait 33h between run times?!

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wagnerrp:

so do some database tweaking

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Beirdo:

I thought we overrode that.

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Beirdo:

I want to make sure that I hit that thread again.

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Beirdo:

hmm, no, if it supports niext time, it uses it

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Beirdo:

how positively... smart and annoying :)

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Beirdo:

ahhh, it's checking this setting every 5min or so

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Beirdo:

OK

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Beirdo:

in that case... *tweak*

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Beirdo:

next suggested run time is now... yesterda

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Beirdo:

y

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Beirdo:

last ran 16h ago, so I'm not worried about overloading the service

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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sphery:

JEDIDIAH___: based on my testing, the thing that will prevent the plugin from being useful is the inability to auth

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sphery:

granted, I didn't try Flash 10.2, but I don't expect it to work

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wagnerrp:

sphery: that seems to be a webkit issue, since people are reporting it working on firefox

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sphery:

didn't work on FF for me

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I take that back... works fine, now

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sphery:

must have done some upgrades

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sphery:

and, wow, I may have to go Prime, now

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

we sucked you over to the dark side!

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

sphery: $80/yr just for more content you dont have time to watch?

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sphery:

yeah, definitely the dark side

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sphery:

Flash...

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, good point...

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wagnerrp:

or is this for content that has sat on disk for so long the disk and content was lost?

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sphery:

heh, there are a few of those

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GadgetWisdomGuru is now known as GWG

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Beirdo:

$80/yr to get cheap/free shipping on all sortsa stuff too

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** wagnerrp heads home **

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sphery:

yeah, the combo of shipping + video is why I'm considering

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sphery:

though I've always done free shipping by always ordering >$25 of merchandise at a time--and applying a healthy dose of patience

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k-man:

did pastebin.ca go down or something?

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k-man:

it doesn't seem to work for me any more

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k-man:

am i the only one who used to use pastebin.ca?

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sphery:

So, really enjoying Stargate Atlantis, Season 5, but also feeling a deep sense of dread... I'm quickly depleting a very-limited resource (and it sounds like Extinction may not ever get the go). (And with SGU cancelled, only 2 seasons of that to look forward to.)

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sphery:

k-man: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/

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k-man:

sphery: yeah.. i know

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sphery:

seems down

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sphery:

pastebin.com is up, though

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k-man:

yeah – i liked pastebin.ca, but its been down for weeks afaik, i think its gone

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sphery:

yeah, it was struggling

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k-man:

thats too bad

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sphery:

but was nice--they don't DOS-pollute files/pastes

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sphery:

(pastebin.com seems to use CR/LF for anything you pull off it)

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k-man:

there is the emacs one, and the perl one as alternatives i guess

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Twiggy2cents:

wagnerrp, I was just thinking, yesterday when you said that everything else would suffer if I used a pci video card did that mean the other pci devices or anything that doesnt utilize vdpau

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wagnerrp:

anything that doesnt utilize vdpau

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wagnerrp:

and that includes the UI

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wagnerrp:

Twiggy2cents: i used to do that with an old P3 for a few months

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wagnerrp:

and it worked fine on an old CRT

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wagnerrp:

but i would not attempt to do it on a high resolution display

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wagnerrp:

i would just upgrade

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Twiggy2cents:

why not on a hd display? Does it choke on high resolution?

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Twiggy2cents:

The main monitor is a 32in lcd

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wagnerrp:

because it doesnt have the bandwidth for it

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Twiggy2cents:

Let me just verify, even with vdpau it would be bad on a high resolution display?

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wagnerrp:

as i explained earlier, spawn an xterm, start shaking it around on screen, and you will saturate the bus doing updates

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Twiggy2cents:

Or just everything else?

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Twiggy2cents:

ohh

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Twiggy2cents:

I think I lost internet when you said that, I dont remember reading that

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wagnerrp:

the PCI bus is 133MBps total, both directions, to all devices

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Twiggy2cents:

so what is 4x agp?

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wagnerrp:

a 1920x1080 screen at 60fps and 24-bit is 375MBps

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Twiggy2cents:

I suppose I could look

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wagnerrp:

4x AGP is 1GBps

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Twiggy2cents:

what about 1280x720

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wagnerrp:

a little less than half that

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Twiggy2cents:

actually the display is through a vga cable and the resolution is 1024x768

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Twiggy2cents:

Is that still pushing it?

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J-e-f-f-A:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agp 1066MB/sec

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Twiggy2cents:

I would have to check again, btu I am pretty sure that is the resolution I am using.

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wagnerrp:

you could try, but like i said, i would just upgrade

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: you sure?

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: eh?

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Beirdo:

i6's 33MHz * 32bit

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Beirdo:

oooh, MBps

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** Beirdo slaps himself **

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Beirdo:

back to the corner.

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** wagnerrp slaps Beirdo too **

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J-e-f-f-A:

put that dunce cap on too!

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Beirdo:

I read it as Mbps

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wagnerrp:

Twiggy2cents: also understand that PCI is a shared bus

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wagnerrp:

shared with your other PCI devices, and a bunch of stuff built into the motherboard

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Beirdo:

you can get 64-bit, 66MHz PCI as well, but still, slowness

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wagnerrp:

you saturate the PCI bus, and youre going to cause havoc with your whole system

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Twiggy2cents:

hmm so $40 to try something that may not work, or use it just to watch my recordings of I love lucy and andy griffith for 6mos then when I move and get more space, set up a new frontend

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Twiggy2cents:

That is what you are loosely suggesting. Major upgrade over minor in this case?

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wagnerrp:

Twiggy2cents: this is a combined fe/be, right?

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Twiggy2cents:

technically yes, but its 85% be and a side of fe if I want to watch somethign in bed

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wagnerrp:

$150 full upgrade, instead of $50 new video card

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Twiggy2cents:

so then, my distro wont care as long as I stay intel? New mobo, processor and video card?

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Twiggy2cents:

I havent ever made a major change on linux. I know on windows it wont boot after changing from intel to amd or vice versa

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J-e-f-f-A:

Twiggy2cents: What's your HD content source going to be? [since I wasn't here yesterday]

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Twiggy2cents:

atsc

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wagnerrp:

this is a dual core 2.8GHz P4, right?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Twiggy2cents: Ok, so you're not talking HD-PVR h.264. ;-)

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Twiggy2cents:

does linux consider HT a dual core?

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wagnerrp:

no

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Twiggy2cents:

So i guess it is

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wagnerrp:

well it will show up as two processors

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wagnerrp:

but should be scheduled slightly differently

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Twiggy2cents:

what woudl I check on the command line? I have been using sysinfo gui

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wagnerrp:

what is your processor?

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J-e-f-f-A:

maybe just 'cat /proc/cpu'

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: youve got one of those, your P-D shows up as four processors, right?

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Twiggy2cents:

I really dont knwo

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Beirdo:

no, the Pentium-D shows as two cores, non-HT

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wagnerrp:

Twiggy2cents: well anyway....

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Beirdo:

IIRC

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J-e-f-f-A:

er... cat /proc/cpuinfo

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Beirdo:

one sec

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wagnerrp:

a single core should work fine for playback

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wagnerrp:

a dual core would let you run a deinterlacer

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wagnerrp:

either way, you can still use it for ATSC content

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wagnerrp:

(at 2.8GHz)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, I was using a P4 for ATSC (only 720p at the time) a few years back...

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Beirdo:

errr

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Beirdo:

Pentium D... 2.8GHz

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Beirdo:

one core, plus HT = 2 processing units

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Beirdo:

I was getting confused with my frontend box, which is dual core, no HT

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wagnerrp:

no, the P-D processors were really two independent processors on a single package

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Beirdo:

or WTF?

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Beirdo:

it says ht too

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Beirdo:

anyways... I'm getting confused here

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wagnerrp:

yeah, you sound like youre burned up today

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Beirdo:

I think you're right :) I'm zonked

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Twigg:

I dunno where I lost connection at so I might repost

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Twigg:

got it, Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz

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Twigg:

shows up as two processors

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Twigg:

is that HT then?

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Twigg:

Beirdo, its a p4 not p-d

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wagnerrp:

well this is cute... http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/termi . . . 339386-1.jpg

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Beirdo:

K

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Twigg:

so a side thing, if I had a major malfunction on hardware(non hdd failure) and I wanted to go to a different computer rather than repair. How easily does linux adapt if I were to throw the hdd in it? Does it have to be the same brand processor, same family, or does it not matter at all?

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: yeah, that's somebody wardriving I'm sure... ;-) Cute...

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Twigg:

wagnerrp, thats gotta be totally real

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Beirdo:

unless your distro is daft, as long as you stay 64bit vs 32bit OK, the drivers are likely ot be there.

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Beirdo:

if you switch from a 64bit CPU to a 32bit CPU and you were running 64bit user-land, yer screwed

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Twigg:

what do you mean 64bit vs 32 bit, my main computer is a 64bit capable intel, and I have a 32bit distro.

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Twigg:

ohh so 32bit works for both

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Beirdo:

OK, you're running 32-bit kernel and user-land? You should be fine

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Beirdo:

the problem comes when trying to run 64bit crap on 32bit processors :)

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** J-e-f-f-A was considering switching back to 8-bit. ;-) **

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Twigg:

It doesnt matter since the computer in question is most definitely running 32 bit on the p4.

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wagnerrp:

Twigg: the later P4s were 64-bit capable

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** Beirdo waits for the next run of the housekeeping loop **

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J-e-f-f-A:

I wonder if I could compile MythTV for the TRS-80 Model 4 I just restored... ;-) hehehehe...

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Twigg:

I know its a 32 bit distro

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Twigg:

mythtv on a amiga or commodore would be cool!

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Beirdo:

eww

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Beirdo:

on an SGI, I'd consider it

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** J-e-f-f-A just scared himself, as he just saw 'clever' in himself... doh! **

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wagnerrp:

the amiga was 32-bit

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Beirdo:

which Amiga?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Twigg: I am an Amiga nut. ;-) I still have a few.

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Beirdo:

certainly not all were

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: All of them... 68000 was 16-bit bus, but 32-bit internally.

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Beirdo:

heh

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** wagnerrp has a 32-bit calculator **

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Twigg:

lol that was my first computer(it was my moms) I remember playing the awesome games. Nothing like games that dont require super skill

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Beirdo:

that's a 16bit processor pretending to be 32bit

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Beirdo:

I loved the 68k series, but it really did suck until the 040

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Beirdo:

fun to tinker with though

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J-e-f-f-A:

Twigg: And could run off a single floppy and blow the doors off any pc game of the day...

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Beirdo:

OK, it finally works :)

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Beirdo:

I'm going home, then I can tinker more

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Twigg:

so I want a sata to ide to 2.5inch ide adapater. So I can run my be off of the amiga :)

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JEDIDIAH___:

They weren't "pretending", they had 32 bit assembler instructions and everything.

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** Beirdo yawns **

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JEDIDIAH___:

I probably have the MC68000 assembly programming guide around here somewhere.

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Beirdo:

yes, the 68k had 32bit registers, but it was a 16bit data bus and 24bit IIRC address bus. Hence, it was messy

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Beirdo:

it wasn't fully 32bit in any way

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JEDIDIAH___:

...only if you made it messy.

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Twigg:

Its amazing how inefficient a p4 is.... My dual core celeron is 2.4 Ghz and plays perfectly fine

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JEDIDIAH___:

the other stuff of the day was messy no matter how you handled it.

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Beirdo:

anyways, home time

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J-e-f-f-A:

And it could run programs anywhere in it's 16MB physical address space, unlike the Intel counterparts. ;-)

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Twigg:

I liked the first pc we got. It had a turbo button and would make all the games go like 2x

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JEDIDIAH___:

flat address space. relocatable code. general purpose registers.

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J-e-f-f-A:

And the Amiga, with a graphics co-processor with it's own I/O to the CPU – gee, kinda like AGP... ;-) WAY ahead of it's time, too bad Commodore drove it into the ground...

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JEDIDIAH___:

although some of the 68k machines ended up having "DOS" modes based on how they laid out the memory of earlier models.

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bobgill:

I deleted a boatload of recordings via frontend and something is up, I can tell the files have not deleted from the BE, wondering how to scour the recordings dir and find these files so I can remove them, other than viewing one by one? (I use mythrename to a recording-links dir just fine but many of these are .avi and don't symlink with that)

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JEDIDIAH___:

knew a guy that had 192M in his TT. Guy must have robbed a bank or something...

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J-e-f-f-A:

bobgill: Do you have the 'slow delete' option on? Maybe that's why it's taking a while...

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J-e-f-f-A:

bobgill: When i want to delete several recordings, I find it's easiest to use mythweb.

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bobgill:

J-e-f-f-A: yes, but this was a few days ago

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bobgill:

and upon deleting them I saw the free space (shell ssh session using df) wasn't moving

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J-e-f-f-A:

bobgill: Humm... Do they still show up in the frontend and/or Mythweb?

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bobgill:

nope

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J-e-f-f-A:

bobgill: Well, there is the old 'find orphans' script – but I don't think it's been updated in a while – I'd be super-cautious using that, maybe only after carefully verifying the output of '--dryrun' first...

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bobgill:

interesting, thanks a bunch I will check that out and give it a go

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J-e-f-f-A:

bobgill: yeah, I don't think I'd run it in the 'delete/update' mode at all – I just run it in '--dryrun' mode, and it showed half of my artwork files as 'unknown file' – so it would have deleted them. But it *will* show you valid media stuff, for the most part...

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bobgill:

I found the page and it linked to another newer script that only informs and does not act: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Find_orphans.py ran it and got errors: http://pastebin.com/ZnEG7PMM

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wagnerrp:

bobgill: upgrade your installation of mythtv, or at least that of the python bindings

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wagnerrp:

its been fixed months ago

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sphery:

and that script acts if you tell it to

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wagnerrp:

sphery: seems i never fixed the scriptinfo block

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wagnerrp:

looks like the cache fix is working too

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sphery:

just noticed that the myth.find_orphans.pl page was cached

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sphery:

but I purged the cache before I noticed your mention of the cache

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sphery:

so we can't test with it

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J-e-f-f-A:

Heh... My son's new girlfriend was over the other day, and he was showing her MythTV... She saw the % used on the Recorded programs page "96% used, 118.11GB free" – and she said "WHAT?" "118GB Free? That's more space than my laptop has on the whole disk!!!" ;-) Hehehehe...

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bobgill:

looks like it's my blasted distro's python debacle kicking me in the butt again. Can't get it to work even changing the shebang line (works for other apps). I have /usr/bin/python2/2.5/2.6/2.7 and the main python is python3

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sphery:

wagnerrp: then again, there's no scriptinfo on that old page (and, anymore, no script, even)

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[R]:

J-e-f-f-A: only 118 free?

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sphery:

so guess we couldn't have tested with it, anyway

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sphery:

(and explains why it wasn't uncached :)

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[R]:

J-e-f-f-A: you need moar space

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sphery:

I have 6TB free

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J-e-f-f-A:

[R]: Hehehe... that's 4% of my space. ;-) hehehehe

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[R]:

excuses!

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sphery:

4TB of which is sitting on top of the box in ESD bags

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wagnerrp:

yeah, really... only 3TB

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wagnerrp:

a measily pittance

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[R]:

sphery: you need to shove them in

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wagnerrp:

thats what she said

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sphery:

(had borrowed them for temporary replacements for other HDDs, but have replacements--just need to re-install them)

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[R]:

wagnerrp: lol

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wagnerrp:

what is the point of '5.1 headphones'?

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wagnerrp:

we only have two ears, what are additional drivers going to accomplish?

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[R]:

making it seem to come from differnet angles/positions

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wagnerrp:

but it can only come from two positions, left or right

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[R]:

i dunno

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wagnerrp:

you cant even tell front or back

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wagnerrp:

speakers, it makes sense

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: they use two drivers, but phase effects to give full 5.1 effect...

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wagnerrp:

speakers, you can turn your head and pick up a new bearing

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: My son has a set, I was skeptical until I heard them...

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wagnerrp:

with headphones, you turn your head and everything remains the same

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Captain_Murdoch:

quad driver headphones have been around for years. I used have apair about 25–30 years ago.

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Captain_Murdoch:

had frontand rear drivers in the headset

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Captain_Murdoch:

even without moving your head, you can tell whether a sound is infrontor behind.

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[R]:

we get it, you're old

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[R]:

:)

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wagnerrp:

but... you cant

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Captain_Murdoch:

40, not old. :)

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[R]:

40 is like almost dead

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[R]:

haha

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wagnerrp:

i could understand if you wanted two separate size drivers, one for high and one for low frequencies

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, Ithink I can definitely tell whether the TV isinfront of me or behind me even wit my eyes closed.

[03:02:32]

wagnerrp:

you can tell external stuff because of the shape of your ears

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wagnerrp:

you know what the tv is supposed to sound like, and you can tell front or back because of how it is attenuated by your ear

[03:03:29]

wagnerrp:

but your fleshy outcropping has no effect when using headphones

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Captain_Murdoch:

so with your eyes closed, you couldn't tell whehter someone calling you was in front or behind you?

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Captain_Murdoch:

maybe not in-ear, but I think so with over the ear.

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: right, but just like modern two-speaker systems can create surround effects from speakers in front of you... by creating phase effects that trick your brain into thinking the sounds came from behind you...

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wagnerrp:

phasing can only give you a ring that it could exist in

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wagnerrp:

left, right, up, or down... the phasing will be exactly the same

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simcop2387:

is there a way i can have a specific recording essentially hidden from the listings?

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[R]:

simcop2387: delete it

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wagnerrp:

simcop2387: you can set it to a specific recording group, and apply a filter in the 'watch recordings' screen

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simcop2387:

wagnerrp: aha i was trying to do that with playback groups and it wasn't doing it. thanks

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wagnerrp:

sphery: some pretty awful 'computer hacking' on ncis tonight

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Beirdo:

oooh this is fun

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Beirdo:

every time the housekeeping thread rolls around... it glitches my playback?

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wagnerrp:

... playback?

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Beirdo:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

the housekeeper only runs on the backend, right?

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Beirdo:

correct

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Beirdo:

I'm scratchin my head here :)

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wagnerrp:

is it locking something it shouldnt be?

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wagnerrp:

holding something too long, which disrupts a file transfer

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Beirdo:

could well be

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Beirdo:

Just noticed the correlation, but it's extra logging I had in there that showed the corrolation

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Beirdo:

correlation

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Beirdo:

dang it, I got it right once.

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Beirdo:

didn't do it that time around

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Beirdo:

it happened 1.5min after

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Beirdo:

how odd

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Beirdo:

OK, maybe it's coincidence.

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wagnerrp:

'zoom and enhance'... hahahahaha

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Cydd:

hi guys

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Cydd:

fagsw

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wagnerrp:

?

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o Beirdo

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Mode for #mythtv-users by Beirdo!~gjhurlbu@mythtv/developer/beirdo : +b Cydd!*@*

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo points to left field

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Cydd has been kicked from #mythtv-users by Beirdo!~gjhurlbu@mythtv/developer/beirdo (Cydd)

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wagnerrp:

sadly, he fouls to the right

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Mode for #mythtv-users by Beirdo!~gjhurlbu@mythtv/developer/beirdo : -o Beirdo

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Beirdo:

had enough of that

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wagnerrp:

better do 'Cyd!*@*' too

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o Beirdo

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Mode for #mythtv-users by Beirdo!~gjhurlbu@mythtv/developer/beirdo : +b Cyd!*@*

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Mode for #mythtv-users by Beirdo!~gjhurlbu@mythtv/developer/beirdo : -o Beirdo

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Beirdo:

there :)

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wagnerrp:

i really hate all this '10TB raid arrays provide no protection' crap

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

I guess they don't understand what RAID means

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wagnerrp:

no, its a perfectly valid argument

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Azelphur:

they provide no protection against user error, the number one cause of lost files :p

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** Azelphur takes cover **

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Beirdo:

in specific the R part of RAID

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wagnerrp:

it states that chances are pretty good the array will hit a UBE during a rebuild, and halt

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wagnerrp:

im just saying theyre wrong, and the chances are not pretty good they will hit a UBE

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wagnerrp:

about a year ago, when all this stuff really started getting press

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wagnerrp:

WD miraculously bumped their consumer drives an order of magnitude in reliability

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wagnerrp:

that doesnt 'just happen'

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wagnerrp:

it means the were that reliable all along

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wagnerrp:

and the vague 'better than 10^-14' was just that

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wagnerrp:

extremely vague and nowhere near reality

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[R]:

"i did so well last month, corporate gave me 2 plaques in liue of a payraise"

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[R]:

HAHA

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Beirdo:

Ooooh.

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Beirdo:

one more last paycheck before the raise is effective :)

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[R]:

at my work we dont get raises till like march

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[R]:

my dad said its so the company can screw me

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[R]:

its not fair :(

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Beirdo:

well, bend over

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[R]:

lol

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kormoc:

[R], well, if a raise screws you, I'm sure the company will be willing to not give it to you

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** kormoc also wonders how old [R] is **

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Beirdo:

darvinfirewiredevice.cpp... Hmm, gonna have a hard time testing that one

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[R]:

kormoc: waiting till march instaed of janurary

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[R]:

kormoc: 25

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Beirdo:

spring chicken

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Beirdo:

:)

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kormoc:

[R], January raises are hardly that common...

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kormoc:

typically it's based around your hiring schedule

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Beirdo:

many companies theoretically have em in January.

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Beirdo:

which realistically means March-April

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Beirdo:

or just no raise at all

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[R]:

i hate having to wait so long :(

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kormoc:

so find a better job then

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[R]:

last year... it was so huge

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kormoc:

that's what she said, remembering fondly

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[R]:

lol

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Beirdo:

hehe

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** Beirdo reminds himself to sign up for the ESPP tomorrow **

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Beirdo:

and the 401(k) that the losers still won't match

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[R]:

my company does 6%

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kormoc:

well, aren't you special?

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[R]:

its not a full 6 though

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[R]:

its 3 and half of 3

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Beirdo:

several employers ago, they matched 50% of our contribution... up to 9% of our salary

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Beirdo:

nothing like free money

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J-e-f-f-A:

My employer matches 100% up to 4%

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Beirdo:

my current... matches 100%. up to 0%

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** J-e-f-f-A laughs. **

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: what are the odds this guy sells the things? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki?title=Cases&di . . . ;oldid=48166

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shadow__X:

is there a way to run the windows fe on a secound monitor instead of the default one

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wagnerrp:

drag it to the other monitor?

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shadow__X:

in fullscreen it doesnt let me is there a trick to do that?

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wagnerrp:

force it by setting the geometry in the settings

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shadow__X:

do i have to include the position too or can it just be wxh

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wagnerrp:

position too, to force it to a specific screen

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** [R] giggles **

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[R]:

position

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** wagnerrp doesnt get it **

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[R]:

wagnerrp: you know that book

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[R]:

about positions...

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wagnerrp:

like... planetary positions? youre not one of them astrologers are you?

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[R]:

haha

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wagnerrp:

we dont take too kindly one pseudo-scientists still running off 2000 year old data

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wagnerrp:

s/one/to/

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shadow__X:

so this is intersting. when i try to play a recording on this windows fe i hear audio but the screen goes to the last menu i was in. when i hit m logs show the osd comes up and i am able to escape back out in into the main menu

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wagnerrp:

christ...

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: your fellow centos users.... bother me

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justinh:

wagnerrp: muh, but having more recent python packages will mean Centos is less stable :-\

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wagnerrp:

justinh: i guess i shouldnt be able to tell people that they are using an incompatible version of software

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wagnerrp:

after all, its open source, so i should have to patch it to work with the old version

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wagnerrp:

did gmail make some change recently that they are no longer properly obeying the reply to field?

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wagnerrp:

ive recently started getting a surprisingly large number of ML responses that are CC'd to me

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wagnerrp:

as far as i can tell, its only from gmail users, and my mail client isnt doing anything to precipitate this

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squidly:

anyone run in to myth-frontend using almost a gig of ram?

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wagnerrp:

high resolution and graphically heavy theme?

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squidly:

wagnerrp: I'm using the mythbuntu theme, and it starts out small ram usage..round 150–200M then keeps climbing to until it's over 1gb of use

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squidly:

I does seem to stop growing..

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wagnerrp:

is this after extended use of mythvideo?

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squidly:

I'm not 100% sure.. but I think so.. and watching recoarded programs as well

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wagnerrp:

with recorded artwork provided by jamu?

[14:15:03]

squidly:

Basicly I come home from work, I start up live tv and it's so bad I have to reboot

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squidly:

wagnerrp: i dont think so.. on my system I grab the info though the "download metadata" command

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wagnerrp:

my point is, if you have a lot of artwork, mythtv is going to consume a lot of memory

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wagnerrp:

you can either use a lighter theme with less artwork, a lower resolution so the images arent so large, or just buy an extra GB of memory

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squidly:

wagnerrp: ok I will try a different theme, see if that helps.. But I was using the exact same setup on 0.23 and did not have this issue, it started when I moved to 0.24

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wagnerrp:

honestly, im not sure where the usage is

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wagnerrp:

the UI code is only supposed to be storing a few tens of MB of data

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wagnerrp:

but i know memory consumption of up to 1GB for the frontend is not uncommon, and not considered to be a significant problem

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, somehow that guy got Qt4 on CentOS 5, so he should have been a able to figure out how to get python 2.6 installed alongside his 2.4. I haven't tested all the scripts on my CentOS 5 servers. I also only use CentOS for the backends.

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: i just cant believe crap like this... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/atrpms/users/14356

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wagnerrp:

you run CentOS (or RHEL) because you want a very stable, static distribution

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Captain_Murdoch:

should we give him commit access? :) sounds like a good programmer.

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wagnerrp:

the same person who chooses a distro for those reasons DOES NOT copy and paste random crap they find on a mailing list into their installed code

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Captain_Murdoch:

agreed.

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wagnerrp:

what he suggests right there is not unlike applying some random person's binary patch

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wagnerrp:

and not only that, its someone who has no idea what theyre doing

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wagnerrp:

the "import ElementTree as ElementTree" does precisely nothing

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wagnerrp:

the only problem i see with the scripts would be they have the wrong hashbang line

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if it would be worth writing something to scan through the source for any *.py files, and replace the hashbang with the content of --python

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wagnerrp:

actually, that should probably get stuffed into cpsvndir

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wagnerrp:

i feel like kormoc fighting the <php5.3 crowd

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wagnerrp:

... well except he was doing it with software released that year

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wagnerrp:

python 2.5 was release 4.5 years ago

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wagnerrp:

well, a little over a year old

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sphery:

heh--cool. when ncis hits csi-level of hollywoodism, I'll be a lot less interested in it

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arnie-b:

really ticked off – myth isn't recording, says "the file for this recording is empty" – missed a bunch of things I wanted to record

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arnie-b:

but apparently it didn't

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sphery:

we're still trying to figure out what's causing it

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sphery:

if you have an older distro, it could well be a config problem

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arnie-b:

debian squeeze, with multimedia testing

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arnie-b:

that's not that old

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arnie-b:

multimedia unstable, actually

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sphery:

(technically could be config problem on newer distros, but could also be the low-level system problem)

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sphery:

not sure where that fits in the timeline I know

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arnie-b:

the only thing i can find so far is an "itvt0 DMA Timeout" error in dmesg

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sphery:

but if it's new kernel/V4L/DVB, it could well be the same problem Ubuntu 10.10 and Fedora 14 guys are having

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arnie-b:

so my card or hardware is bad? or maybe need a new kernel? i have 2.6.28

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sphery:

for 2.6.28, you should have an old-enough kernel/drivers... unless you have a V4L/DVB backports of a very new version, that's probably not a problem

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sphery:

meaning it's likely something with your hardware or configuration

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arnie-b:

configuration?

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arnie-b:

meaning what, exactly? i don't remember making any major changes

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arnie-b:

i deleted all cards, inputs, etc. on the backend and redid those, didn't help

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CiaranG:

arnie-b: have you disabled your kernel's (or usb module's) automatic USB timeout thing?

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CiaranG:

I think Hauppage cards don't play nicely with that – they take too long to wake up, and mythtv gives up waiting

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arnie-b:

no, i would have no idea how to do that. this kernel and machine have been running fine for years. it's only with 0.24 that all these problems started

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arnie-b:

i'm going to see if there's a driver upgrade that might fix things

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** Captain_Murdoch sends wagnerrp a pre-labeled, pre-paid return postage box so he can ship me some of his 'too small' 500–750GB drives **

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toby_:

hi all, can someone tell me if my pc-tv card is supported ? It appears not.. but the data of the wiki I can find saying that is 2009...

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: heh... actually, when the 750s get replaced out of the array, they will replace the old 300s as recording drives

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toby_:

I'm hoping it been included since :O

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wagnerrp:

although ive got 9 of them, im not going to need them all

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toby_:

its a pinnacle pc-tv pci 250i

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wagnerrp:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, by 'recording', do you mean dedicated for recordings or do you shuffle recorded programs off to larger storage during off-hours?

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toby_:

ta bot ;)

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wagnerrp:

i record to independent drives on storage groups, and leave them there for weeks/months until i get around to clipping them and moving them to the array

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toby_:

ahh, ok, still not supported :(

[16:25:02]

wagnerrp:

ive been a bit lax on that the past couple months due to lack of free space on the array

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arnie-b:

i don't think it's the card or the drivers, because mythweb isn't acting right, either

[16:25:59]

wagnerrp:

NAME USED AVAIL REFER MOUNTPOINT

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wagnerrp:

raid750 4.66T 36.9G 3.20G /mnt/raid750

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arnie-b:

it won't cancel recordings in progress (that aren't actually being recorded), and then there's a dotted line around the show and it won't record

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arnie-b:

even when pressing "forget old," which doesn't appear to do anything

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wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah, im not sure what exactly is going on there

[16:28:24]

wagnerrp:

hes running mythwelcome, presumably to allow the machine to shut down on its own

[16:28:37]

wagnerrp:

but the machine seems to continue running at all times

[16:28:45]

wagnerrp:

which begs the question why hes running mythwelcome

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, ah, ok. I've been debating the idea of a RAID-5 or -6 with 1TB+ drives but still have recordings go to multiple drives for I/O. then during off-hours move recordings to the large array which has some redundancy. I currently only have around 2.4TB across 4 drives, and need to add more space sometime this year.

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Captain_Murdoch:

one thing I considered a while back for the jobqueue was a way to set a max # of running jobs per job type. ie, only run 1 'file moving' job at a time for I/O and fragmentation reasons.

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: yeah, one of the things ive considered

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wagnerrp:

was going to have checkboxes for 'io intensive' and 'cpu intensive'

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Captain_Murdoch:

nice

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wagnerrp:

and let it automatically scale on its own

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wagnerrp:

io intensive would get dedicated disk access, and would try to avoid recordings if possible, but would allow multiple if multiple disks were available

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wagnerrp:

cpu intensive would tack on additional jobs if existing tasks seemed to be limited to one core

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wagnerrp:

have a low/medium/high for scaling, instead of a number of allowed jobs

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wagnerrp:

low would only run one at a time, high would run as many as it deemed sane, medium would be in the middle

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bonelifer:

about to find out if my rig will explode(j/k). CPU load averages 7.10 (1 min) 5.74 (5 mins) 2.98 (15 mins). 3 user jobs: Network, My Fair Lady, mondays episode of House. Hopefully everything goes well and I have three commercialess files waiting in my HOLDING directory. Took awhile to get used to the editing facilities, but now I can murder commericials like a true commercial hitman. :)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, I may have totally misunderstood what he was doing

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sphery:

it was a bit hard to follow

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wagnerrp:

apparently hes not running a web application, because he has some local helper application running on the local device

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wagnerrp:

everyone is confused (including him)

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wagnerrp:

:)

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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JEDIDIAH___:

I dunno. once you've got commercial skip, commercial skip is like the proverbial tree falling the the forrest. no need to tidy up the fallen tree trunk you never saw.

[18:02:32]

ThisNewGuy:

hey all – does anyone know what libs I need for opengl ES 2.0 (and if I want it)?

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bonelifer:

For the most part, but while editing "The Godfather" last night, I load up the commercial flagging in the editor and there were some places where it thought parts of the movie were commercials. like a good chunk of the funeral scene where he's walking around.

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JEDIDIAH___:

my current settings mistake cartoon explosions for the start of commercials.

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JEDIDIAH___:

not perfect, still terrribly useful.

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bonelifer:

then their are the commericals, inserting the blank black screen between commercials. so it wil get the first half, but see the black frame and not tag the next part.

[18:04:48]

bonelifer:

still better to have a starting point.

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bonelifer:

I hate Comedy Central, their shows run like 60 to 90 second over. :(

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sphery:

ThisNewGuy: OpenGL ES is OpenGL for Embedded Systems. You don't want it because a) you don't want embedded systems for mythfrontend hosts and b) it's not even enabled/working, yet.

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sphery:

kormoc_afk: When I was a kid, we used HDDs that had a 1% failure rate /per eon/ for the first 1000 million years. These young 'uns, the SATAs, fail so much more often...

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ThisNewGuy:

sphery: thanks!

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Does a define get set when the python bindings are installed/all pre-reqs pass?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: USING_PYTHON?

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kormoc:

sphery, totally. I also like how the guy just assumes the numbers are valid with his seagate rather then caring if they are or not

[18:35:21]

sphery:

heh, yeah

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sphery:

unfortunately Seagate took down the "We don't use SMART, we use Self-Health, Analysis, and Reporting Technology" page. (and, yes, the acronym was intentional)

[18:40:33]

kormoc:

Better then Self Analysis, Reporting, and Solicitation

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sphery:

heh

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iamlindoro:

Self-Health Integration Tests

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kormoc:

Ooh! I like

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sphery:

wagnerrp: "I have far more drives now, so it follows I have far more failures"... Why do you have to add proper logic to a thread that's all about emotions?

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo: wagnerrp: Does MythSystem::Wait() return the exit code for the program? ie, what should it return for a program exiting normally without error?

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Beirdo:

yes, it will return the exit code

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veehexx:

i need more help with hardware setup – HDMI audio via nvidia 210 – anyone help me?

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Beirdo:

or if there was an error, the exit code as mapped in exitcodes.h (all 128 and above)

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Beirdo:

so generally speaking, if you are looking for a 0 exit code, check the return value for == GENERIC_EXIT_OK

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iamlindoro:

cool, thank you

[19:20:38]

iamlindoro:

In that case, iamlindoroSmolt ought to be working ;)

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iamlindoro:

or so http://smolt.mythvantage.com/client/show/pub_ . . . 874537fedeb6 would have me believe

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Beirdo:

cool :)

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kormoc:

so we have mythSmolt, xrisXmolt, and iamlindoroSmolt now?

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iamlindoro:

heh, but only one should be committed ;)

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iamlindoro:

mine

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justinh:

oh boy that was a bad day. boy rolled off his changing station & fell 3 feet

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iamlindoro:

mythsmolt is the plugin jams wrote, xris created a branch that just imports that patch, mine integrates it into core, removes the superfluous/broken code, properly MythUI's it, adds configure checks for the python deps, checks to make sure you're running a supported platform, prevents the need for extra theming, and distills it to a single, simple prompt run on a new frontend to send or not send the hardware profile

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iamlindoro:

ie you select your language, and then answer the prompt "Do you want to send your hardware profile to the MythTV developers to assist in future development," rather than having to install a plugin, invoke it, look at some log viewer, open a menu, and figure out what option you should pick

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kormoc:

Fair 'nuff

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** iamlindoro will actually need to learn how to create a branch if this really needs to go to one **

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kormoc:

Nah, it likely doesn't need to

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kormoc:

and by branch I really mean the little work I did towards the same integration

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iamlindoro:

I was just concerned that we would end up with a usability mess (another screen to theme, convoluted menu options, must be manually invoked, etc) so figured rather than taking issue, I would sneak in a little myth work and take care of it myself

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kormoc:

Yeah, no worries. I wasn't really paying attention last night anyway

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iamlindoro:

I do think the hardware profiling thing is a valid/good idea, just know that we will get best results (and have easiest maintenance) if it's a big red button that the user can click and be done with

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: looks like CONFIG_BINDINGS_PYTHON

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: OK, had it in there as USING_BINDINGS_PYTHON-- thanks

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sphery:

iamlindoro: +1 on BRB

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iamlindoro:

hah

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sphery:

and even with that, I think we'll have a lot of users who choose not to share info

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iamlindoro:

probably

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sphery:

now if it were a facebook or twitter thing, they'd give us their SSNs

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sphery:

:)

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iamlindoro:

but a fair amount who will, hopefully, and hopefully it will actually translate into... something

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

better than none

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iamlindoro:

I did make a point in the prompts that it's anonymized, but we'll see I guess

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iamlindoro:

QString message = QObject::tr("Would you like to share your hardware profile with the MythTV developers? Profiles are anonymous and are a great way to help with future development.");

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kormoc:

I'm gonna cry when our target processor by 100x is a single core atom

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iamlindoro:

heh

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kormoc:

and 512 megabytes of ram

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iamlindoro:

There's no reason we have to make the average system reported our target system

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kormoc:

and a 512 gig SSD

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iamlindoro:

(IMO)

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iamlindoro:

But there's also no reason we can't leverage it to our advantage, either ;)

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iamlindoro:

ie, "99% of you have OpenGL capable video cards. Thus, OpenGL is now the only renderer."

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sphery:

iamlindoro: but I thought we had to code for the trailing 1%, specifically?

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kormoc:

they're the most vocal after all

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sphery:

seems I may not have gotten the full story from reading mythtv-users list...

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iamlindoro:

heh

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wagnerrp:

"five of you are still using PVR-350s, guess were bringing the framebuffer output back!"

[19:39:47]

kormoc:

"One of you are using a frame grabber. We're dropping all support of mpeg encoders until that frame grabber gets smashed. The guy's address is..."

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sphery:

heh

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veehexx:

im trying to get nvidia 210 hdmi audio to work (everything seems to work, but no actual audio). anyone help me out?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Heheh, I don't even do python, but I found some of this... amusing: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/wS67ZDrS

[20:31:10]

iamlindoro:

Specifically, the finding the theme by last modified themecache instead of checking the DB, the counting of encoders, and a few other things

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iamlindoro:

Feel free to rewrite if you like ;)

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iamlindoro:

I especially like: #Yes this is bad, but the bindings can't be trusted.

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sphery:

kormoc: seems observation of values you can't measure/verify independently trumps documentation that says the values aren't used the way 3rd party tools expect

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wagnerrp:

the bindings cant be trusted?

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wagnerrp:

well at least its not interfacing with the protocol or database

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, was referring to the SMART thread and Seagate's notice that the values they use aren't used as 3rd-party tools would expect

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Guest7481:

Wow, do I need some help. I am ready to pull my hair out. I have used mythtv for a few years now. I use 2 hd-pvr as my main video source and found the channel locking to be a problem in 0.23. I upgraded to 0.24 (via mythbuntu auto build). The hd-pvr works great now but I am having problems recording scheduled programs. Livetv works great (the channel changing scripts work correctly) but scheduled recordings usually (not always) tune to the wrong cha

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Guest7481:

nnel.

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justinh:

hahahaha this guy (or bot) is a leetle beet behind the times http://twitter.com/#!/buram11/statuses/40498857376751616

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wagnerrp:

sphery: no, hes referring to something in the smolt script

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cryptkpr:

anyone have a moment to help me with a mythtv backend problem?

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justinh:

just ask please. don't ask to ask

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cryptkpr:

OK mythbackend cant seem to open my hauppauge hvr1600 card I am getting error device or resource busy – there is no other backend running so I am not sure what is going on

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justinh:

permissions, probably

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justinh:

like your mythtv user – or whatever user mythbackend runs as – not being part of the video group

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cryptkpr:

mythtv and the user (pvr) are part of the video group

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justinh:

are you absolutely sure mythbackend isn't already running?

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cryptkpr:

posititve

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uW:

cryptkpr: i would say try a pre-packaged myth distro since its a new install and if you dont have too much linux experience, just my 2 cents

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Azelphur:

It did this once before and I had to completely wipe MySQL to get it working :/

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justinh:

Azelphur: ruh?

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Azelphur:

haha, my question got ate by the netsplit so I'm going to ask again :p

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Azelphur:

justinh: ruh?

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justinh:

"21:55 < Azelphur> It did this once before and I had to completely wipe MySQL to get it working :/"

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justinh:

other than a completely corrupt DB there's no reason you'd have to have done that

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cryptkpr:

I am reasonably knowledgable about linux and since I use debian for my other machines I would like to use it for my pvr as well beyond that i dont mind troubleshooting the problem

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justinh:

it pays to back up your DB at regular intervals

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Azelphur:

yea, unfortunately I have no idea what's causing my EIT data to not work

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Azelphur:

so I'm open to suggestions :D

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justinh:

check the backend log, add -v eit to mythbackend's logging

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Azelphur:

I havn't changed anything to cause this, havn't been in mythtv setup since I set it up

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Azelphur:

ok

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uW:

cryptkpr: oh ok cool

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cryptkpr:

is there anyway to interact whith the cx18 driver which runs my hvr1600 card so that I can see if its a driver issue?

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Azelphur:

justinh: http://pastebin.com/idxQyTJ5 are the failed tables anything to do with it?

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Azelphur:

and also why do I have failed tables / how do I fix them :p

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devinheitmueller:

cryptkpr: v4l2-ctl ?

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justinh:

Azelphur: if I were you I'd restore a backup

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justinh:

Azelphur: and er.. your system is a bit poorly if the db is messing up like that all by itself

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devinheitmueller:

cryptkpr: I would probably also take a hard-look at dmesg for cx18 related errors.

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justinh:

Azelphur: I've only had a db go west on me once before – that was when the partition mysql data lived on got full – my fault. totally screwed everything to the point where I had to restore a backup

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cryptkpr:

sure enough grepd dmesg and I am getting faile to initialize errors thanks for the advice Ill chase this down for a bit...

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Beirdo:

mmm, burger

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Azelphur:

justinh: this isn't the first time this has happened, I'd prefer to fix the root cause

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Azelphur:

rather than continually roll back to backups

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uW:

bad harder?

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uW:

opps..bad hard drive

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, the plex Amazon VOD plugin has been out forever, it's just in the unofficial list

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justinh:

Azelphur: yer data is getting corrupted somehow. Bad memory maybe?

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justinh:

hmm. I feel robbed. no fanart for 'secret diary of a callgirl'

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Azelphur_:

justinh: yup it's working now. It was just the broken tables. I guess I'll run some checks on the HDD *shrug*

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kormoc:

sphery, There, we'll see if folks continue to argue

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devinheitmueller:

cryptkpr: is this a new HVR-1600 board? What is the PCI ID?

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justinh:

Azelphur_: memory, HDD, the lot. I would

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Azelphur_:

wouldn't surprise me,

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Azelphur_:

I've had problems with the box before :)

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justinh:

ditch the pc chips motherboard :P

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: I just don't consider it the same as the Prime unlimited VOD, that's all

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Azelphur_:

haha

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kormoc: Probably a slim distinction, but it's what spurred the uptick in interest, and it's the subject line of the thread too

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Beirdo:

kormoc: so... Seagate's admitting they don't follow the spec, and putting blame on others? Such a company :)

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Azelphur_:

justinh: do you know how to tell it to do a full scan to grab all the EIT data again? currently it only updates when I change to the channel :P

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Beirdo:

dumb network

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Beirdo:

go go gadget yahoo.com mailservers too

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Beirdo:

they are greylisting our MLs... still/again

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mianos:

a myth chrome plugin for youtube layback would be cool

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** kormoc blinks at mianos **

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iamlindoro:

what do chrome and youtube have to do with myth?

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mianos:

no flash

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iamlindoro:

We already have a native interface to run youtube

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mianos:

play youtube under myth

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mianos:

no flash

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iamlindoro:

Which you can already do

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mianos:

mythweb?

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kormoc:

mianos, grammar... important...

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iamlindoro:

You can even control it with your remote, using your normal player keybindings

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iamlindoro:

no, not mythweb

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iamlindoro:

mythnetvision-- it's been a myth plugin for nearly two years

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mianos:

oh that, ok

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mianos:

I liked that layback mode, but I guess it's only a single site with a single interrface so it not really very important

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mianos:

I installed mythnetvision

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skd5aner:

mainos: is english your second language?

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justinh:

sadly youtube isn't yet good enough to replace TV just yet

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mianos:

but I have not worked out how to get my user name in there so I get my normal subscriptions.

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kormoc:

justinh, there is 35 hours of video uploaded to youtube every minute... Do you really want to wade though all that?

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mianos:

I am a bit confused as to why people ask me if English is my second language? It's actually one of three, but my first. Is it my lack of capitals?

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iamlindoro:

likely the use of oddly constructed sentence fragments instead of clearly expressing yourself

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cryptkpr:

I have figured out my problem – it was the cx18 driver – debian installed it automaticly but it did not provide the firmware (non-free) that was neccessary for the card. After downloading the firmware from a link @ mythtv's wiki and placing the files in lib firmware then rmmodding and modprobing the cx18 driver it worked and all is good thanks for the help all

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devinheitmueller:

ok, great.

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devinheitmueller:

Silly Debian users. ;-)

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Beirdo:

heh

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devinheitmueller:

they're all about "freedom" until they want their damn tuner to work.

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cryptkpr:

LOL it does seem a little stupid to automagicly install the free driver but not the non-free firmware that is necessary for the card to work...

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devinheitmueller:

cryptkpr: the driver is completely open source and part of the kernel. Blame the debian developers for not providing greater flexibility.

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devinheitmueller:

At least it told you exactly what was wrong in dmesg.

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cryptkpr:

yep at least it did do that LOL well Im outa here I have a lot more config to get mythtv the way I want it thanks again Later

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