Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, February 22nd, 2011, 00:00 UTC

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SpeedEvil:

Thanks for the pointers!

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jams:

k-man: nothing special, just make sure you have a good db backup in case it doest work out

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k-man:

jams: ok, thanks

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k-man:

SpeedEvil: its amazing how few car stereos support DAB[+] imho

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k-man:

DAB has been out for years and yet only a couple of head units are available that can do it so far

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SpeedEvil:

k-man: Indeed – it adds a few currency-units to it.

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SpeedEvil:

For cars, it's lots, lots better than FM

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k-man:

SpeedEvil: is it? interesting

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k-man:

SpeedEvil: you have one in your car?

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SpeedEvil:

Well – I have used the DAB radio I have in my car.

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SpeedEvil:

And it's lots better than the inbuilt FM

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kisak:

how long does mythtv hold onto deleted episodes?

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Beirdo:

hmmm.

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Beirdo:

anyone have any idea when the realtime priv stuff stopped being used in the frontend?

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judget:

hi how can u tell which versio of mythtv u r running?

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Beirdo:

mythfrontend --version

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judget:

ok one client seems to have a very different look than the other but the vesrion says it is the same

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judget:

nvm i found it in the settings

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arnie-b:

my backend is acting funny, stopped being able to record, i can't figure out what's wrong

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arnie-b:

the listing in mythfrontend says "recording unavailable, this recording not yet available"

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Twiggy2cents:

I have a geforce 6200 256 mb card on a pentium 4 mythbuntu on v0.24–150. Before an update I imagine I had xvmc and the video playback was good on hd and sd. Now I have no xvmc and video blurs bad on hd and a little on sd

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arnie-b:

then after it's recorded, it says something about the file being empty

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wagnerrp:

upgrade

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Twiggy2cents:

I assume you mean computer-wise?

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wagnerrp:

yes, hardware wise

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Twiggy2cents:

So is there no better alternative than xvmc with what I have?

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wagnerrp:

or downgrade your nvidia driver to a version that still supports xvmc

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Twiggy2cents:

I mean with that the computer was fully capable of it

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wagnerrp:

you could use Xv

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wagnerrp:

but that card is too slow for the opengl renderer

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Twiggy2cents:

yeah it only shows 1 frame on opengl

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wagnerrp:

and the processor is likely too slow to decode HD MPEG2

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wagnerrp:

i dont think the nvidia drivers have supported xvmc in several years

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wagnerrp:

i know their cards havent supported xvmc since the 7xxx series

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wagnerrp:

xvmc should work in 0.24, but has been removed from 0.25

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iamlindoro:

mythbuntu disabled xvmc in their builds

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Twiggy2cents:

Also I should say that I had a ati radeon 256mb (I cant remember the model, other than old) originally, after an update the playback had issues. Now with both cards, I have the same issue

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iamlindoro:

across the board

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wagnerrp:

ah, well there you go

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iamlindoro:

because of their XvMC Xorg crash issue

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wagnerrp:

took the initiative that we should have six months ago

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: that reminds me... I need to pull out the xvmc *additions* to ffmpeg in the snyc I did :)

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Twiggy2cents:

so do I have no other options then? Aside from updating

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wagnerrp:

build your own xorg and mythtv, to re-enable xvmc

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Twiggy2cents:

s/updating/upgrading/

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, you can replace the guts of your existing computer, with ones that will play any content you may come across, for around $150

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arnie-b:

if I cancel the recording in mythweb, it doesn't cancel

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Twiggy2cents:

Yeah but its just the backend that I only watch videos on every once and a while

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arnie-b:

the listing stays green

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Twiggy2cents:

a vdpau capable card would fix that right?

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bcgrown:

okay i have all of my surround speaker channels working with alsamixer and speaker-test, but when I select surround40 in MythFrontend, it still just says "supports up to 2.0." What am I missing? MythTV does support analog surround, doesn't it?

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wagnerrp:

then make it a dedicated backend, and dont watch anything on it

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wagnerrp:

you /can/ find a PCI card capable of VDPAU

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arnie-b:

i rebuilt the entire backend including all the inputs and sources and repopulated the database

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wagnerrp:

but the PCI bus really isnt designed for graphics

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt have enough throughput

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wagnerrp:

so anything not using VDPAU will suffer

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Twiggy2cents:

I have agp, but is that too legacy for vdpau capable cards?

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wagnerrp:

there are no AGP cards that support VDPAU

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Twiggy2cents:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

further, the old PCI 8400s are getting up in price

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wagnerrp:

theyre usually around $50-$60

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wagnerrp:

rather pricey just to make 7yr old hardware usable again

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bcgrown:

i have a PCI-Express 8400gs... it works fine but i'd recommend something more powerful for interlaced HD content

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bcgrown:

the 8400 fails rather hard on any of the more advanced deinterlacing methods

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wagnerrp:

bcgrown: he cant use PCIe

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: I know. I'm saying, if the PCIe is at that level.. a PCI or AGP card will be much worse

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wagnerrp:

the PCI 8400s are just as capable as the PCIe 8400s

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wagnerrp:

they just dont have the bus throughput for uncompressed video, or intensive graphics

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bcgrown:

so the card just sucks then?

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bcgrown:

heh

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wagnerrp:

the simple act of dragging a window across the screen at 1920x1080 is going to saturate the bus

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bcgrown:

any idea about my sound issue? it won't let me change the speaker configuration away from Stereo

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bcgrown:

i am running 0.24-fixes

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wagnerrp:

recently upgraded?

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bcgrown:

not recently... but i think i just figured it out. it only works if i set it to 6ch mode in alsamixer. 4.0 isn't supported by myth?

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Twiggy2cents:

So the processor is a p4 2.80ghz. Is that too low end for hd decoding?

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wagnerrp:

a p4 2.8 should be sufficient for HD MPEG2

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wagnerrp:

(barely)

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wagnerrp:

and that card should work fine with the Xv renderer

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: what happens if I use output device "surround40" and speaker configuration 5.1? will i get downmixed audio, or will I be missing the centre and LFE channels?

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wagnerrp:

dont know a whole lot about audio

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bcgrown:

hrmm. i'm reading some things that say I need to downmix in my .asoundrc, but nothing clear

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Twiggy2cents:

Is xv, xv-blit?

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Twiggy2cents:

I dont have a xv option

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wagnerrp:

yes, xv-blit

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Twiggy2cents:

That is what I am using that gives the blur on movement

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wagnerrp:

then the blur is on the compressed video, or the blur is caused by your screen

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Twiggy2cents:

I use standard(ffmpeg) xv-blit, bob 2x and one field

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Twiggy2cents:

It will also make the picture "shake" I dont knwo how to describe it

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Twiggy2cents:

on some recordings*

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wagnerrp:

thats probably caused by the bob deint

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Twiggy2cents:

Depending on the resolution I think

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Twiggy2cents:

so what is a good deint for my setup?

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iamlindoro:

linear blend, kernel, none

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Twiggy2cents:

no 2x?

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iamlindoro:

not with your underpowered proc

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Twiggy2cents:

okay, is the order you would recommend them in?

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iamlindoro:

the first two are worth trying, but none may be your only option

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Twiggy2cents:

okay

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iamlindoro:

just test them and see how you do with your content. If you get stuttering, progress towards none

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wagnerrp:

is it a single or dual core?

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Twiggy2cents:

Dual core

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Twiggy2cents:

So none, kernel, and linear blend all look exactly the same.

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Twiggy2cents:

If I had to guess, it is a deinterlaced picture

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Twiggy2cents:

I mean interlaced

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: just tried it. lfe and centre don't get downmixed :(

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Twiggy2cents:

wagnerrp, this last playback profile I just tried, I told it it could use 2 cores for decoding and playback

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wagnerrp:

decoding will only use one core, but the deinterlacer should use the second

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Twiggy2cents:

So no matter what deint I choose it looks the same. I have tried yadiff x2 bob x2 linear blend one field kernel and none

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Twiggy2cents:

Is apt-get good at not upgrading unless it downloads all the update or will it update any that it downloads

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Twiggy2cents:

I think it may not have been completely updated

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elcrapocrew1:

any one here?

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kormoc:

Nope. This is just the start of the robot uprising

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elcrapocrew1:

nice : )

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elcrapocrew1:

in that case 100101001010010100111010101

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iamlindoro:

No I will not make out with you

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elcrapocrew1:

thats the secon inanimate object thats turned me down today

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elcrapocrew1:

i am getting a ringbuffer issue, i cant watch live tv

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elcrapocrew1:

im looking foa r snip from the logs now

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iamlindoro:

don't snip, just pastebin the entire thing

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bcgrown:

is anyone here an asoundrc wizard?

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iamlindoro:

snips rely on the user to know what's important-- let us decide what's important

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bcgrown:

i could use some assistance with downmixing

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iamlindoro:

and provide both back and frontend logs, from their respective startup

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elcrapocrew1:

k, ill post a link asap

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wagnerrp:

if the user knew what was important in the logs, they wouldnt need us to look at them

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elcrapocrew1:

everytime i killall mythbackend it automatically starts again, how do i stop that?

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wagnerrp:

sounds like something to ask your distro

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iamlindoro:

mythbackend as we provide it doesn't start itself period, you need to ask your packager

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iamlindoro:

but I'll randomly guess you're using ubuntu/mythbuntu

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wagnerrp:

likely the doing of ubuntu/upstart

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iamlindoro:

in which case "stop mythtv-backend"

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iamlindoro:

or probably "sudo stop mythtv-backend"

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** wagnerrp goes to the kitchen to make a sandwich **

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elcrapocrew1:

yeah i thought so too, ill try stop mythtv bec /etc/init.d/mythbackend stop and service mythbackend stop both give not found errors

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elcrapocrew1:

linux mint 10.10 (ubunt variant ... goog guess)

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elcrapocrew1:

good*

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JEDIDIAH___:

the backend restarting itself looks like something not under the control of init or upstart.

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iamlindoro:

incorrect, mythbuntu/ubuntu's myth packages include an upstart script which automatically restarts the backend

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iamlindoro:

specifically, the line "respawn" which causes it to reload when it crashes

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JEDIDIAH___:

then it should be in /etc/init.d

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iamlindoro:

also incorrect, upstart configuration files go in /etc/init/

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wagnerrp:

JEDIDIAH___: ubuntu decided they needed to throw away all past practices on that one

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JEDIDIAH___:

they still have the legacy interfaces in 10.04

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wagnerrp:

the legacy and new init systems exist side-by-side

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** bcgrown now has downmixed audio! huzzah! **

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JEDIDIAH___:

actually, the legacy interface is just a wrapper for upstart. either way, it looks like el's system has neither init or upstart scripts for the backend.

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mianos:

and neither works well

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elcrapocrew1:

ok so i have it nailed down to a permissions issue with the mythtv user not having read/write to my external drive, but chown mythtv:mythtv /dir does nothing ...

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wagnerrp:

how is the disk partitioned?

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wagnerrp:

often times, if you are using a file system that does not natively support unix permissions

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wagnerrp:

the disk will be locked to a single user

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elcrapocrew1:

i think your right, its ntfs

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wagnerrp:

if it is automounted by a gui, it will be locked by the user logged into X

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wagnerrp:

which may be a different user than is running the backend

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elcrapocrew1:

dagnabbit

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wagnerrp:

considering a mythtv recording disk is going to be dedicated to that machine, why not partition it in a linux native filesystem?

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elcrapocrew1:

well its go a bunch of other stuff on it, for now ill just make some dirs on the internal HD and save up for a large internal HD

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mianos:

make a blockodata, and loopback mount it

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mianos:

hmm, maybe not

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wagnerrp:

thats a really bad idea

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mianos:

can you loopback mount a filesystemon a NTFS partition?

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mianos:

performance is not going to be an issue

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mianos:

it's only video rates

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wagnerrp:

besides, were he to do that, he could just as well manually mount the disk with proper permissions anyway

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wagnerrp:

im not talking about performance

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wagnerrp:

thats a horribly cludgy hack, and absolutely the wrong way to fix the problem

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mianos:

NTFS still automounted ro by default?

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kormoc:

depends on how your distro setup automount and which automount it uses

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kisak:

you souldn't be using the kernel ntfs driver for writing

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kisak:

it's not safe

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mianos:

I know it used to be, but I thought with modern systems there is no problem mouting NTFS RW

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mianos:

there was as split

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kisak:

with ntfs-3g it's (mostly) safe

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mianos:

and they took the NTFS code and clsoed it back up again

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kisak:

what does that even mean?

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mianos:

paragon

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elcrapocrew1:

hrmmmm i never did like ntfs

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elcrapocrew1:

thanks everyone! it seems to be working fine now : )

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wagnerrp:

ntfs is fine, it just doesnt make much sense for use outside of windows

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kisak:

paragon? that's not even open source, how can you call that a merge?

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mianos:

is aid they took the NTFS from the open source and developed their own

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wagnerrp:

sadly, there is no good choice for cross platform file systems

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mianos:

no merge

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mianos:

ie. closed it up

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kisak:

that's what you said a moment ago mianos

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kisak:

there's no point in discussing this further in this channel

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mianos:

no

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mianos:

I've got a minor myth issue, using PCM audio to the spdif, mythvideo and the TV audio is fine but mythbrowser has no audio

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mianos:

probably something simple

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arnie-b:

2011-02–21 22:19:12.985 DevRdB(/dev/video0) Error: Poll giving up

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arnie-b:

2011-02–21 22:19:12.985 MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Error: Device error detected

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arnie-b:

2011-02–21 22:19:12.985 DevRdB(/dev/video0): Stop(): Not running.

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arnie-b:

2011-02–21 22:19:16.057 DevRdB(/dev/video0) Error: Poll giving up

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arnie-b:

is my card dead?

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arnie-b:

nothing is recording

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Beirdo:

arnie-b: check dmesg

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arnie-b:

ivtv0: DMA TIMEOUT 00000001 2

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Beirdo:

that doesn't sound good to me

[03:26:52]

Beirdo:

maybe a power cycle... or just rmmod/modprobe

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arnie-b:

i just rebooted, should be fine

[03:28:12]

Beirdo:

I didn't say reboot

[03:28:17]

Beirdo:

I said power cycle

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arnie-b:

like turn it off?

[03:28:52]

Beirdo:

aye, if a reboot doesn't fix the issue, a full power cycle sometimes can

[03:28:59]

Beirdo:

leave it off for 10–15s

[03:29:32]

Beirdo:

let the circuitry fully reset

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arnie-b:

shutting down now...

[03:30:03]

Beirdo:

yummy salad

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sphery:

away -all afs

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Beirdo:

ya missed the /

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arnie-b:

Beirdo: power cycle appears to have worked, thank you

[03:36:44]

arnie-b:

what happened exactly?

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arnie-b:

static electricity or something?

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Beirdo:

dunno. Something odd. :)

[03:37:19]

Beirdo:

sometimes a full power cycle can make a big difference

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kormoc:

bit 27 on the third bus line was flipped by a stray electron from the solar flare event that fired off last week

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arnie-b:

nothing like that has ever happened before

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arnie-b:

mythweb still won't cancel the recording though, have to delete it while recording

[03:41:02]

arnie-b:

can't wait until 25 comes out. 24 has been altogether too weird!

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Beirdo:

we'll plan to add more weirdness, just for you :)

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: i wonder just how frequent such bit flips really are on terrestrial machines

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arnie-b:

NO!!!

[03:44:43]

Beirdo:

I bet they happen often enough.

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, http://blog.ksplice.com/2010/06/attack-of-the-cosmic-rays/

[03:46:46]

Beirdo:

hmmm

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Beirdo:

I wish I had a lamegrabber around

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wagnerrp:

oh, but you do

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wagnerrp:

your hvr-2250 is a lamegrabber

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Beirdo:

test some thread changes in NVR

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Beirdo:

no it is inot

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wagnerrp:

it just also does mpeg encoding

[03:47:44]

Beirdo:

it can be used that way, I suppose

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wagnerrp:

hit one of the other video devices

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Beirdo:

I forgot.

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Beirdo:

PVR250 has that setup too, doesn't it?

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k-man:

i got this error when compiling myth from git master:

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k-man:

oops

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Beirdo:

oops?

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wagnerrp:

just about all encoder cards do

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Beirdo:

K, I can test it on my dev box, I guess

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Beirdo:

I'm sure it will work fine, but I don't wanna push it untested, ya know :)

[03:49:13]

k-man:

yeah, for some reason paste from my virtual box failed – i'll paste bin something in a minute

[03:49:55]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, "if you have 4 GiB of memory, you have 96% chance of getting a bit flip in three days because of cosmic rays." http://www.boeing.com/assocproducts/radiation . . . nd_Level.pdf

[03:50:03]

Beirdo:

22 more pthread_create instances to get rid of

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wagnerrp:

ouch

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Beirdo:

I think the next victim will be the threads in the backend that I can easily test

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, and google claims hardware is 3x as likely to cause issues over rays, http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~bianca/papers/sigmetrics09.pdf

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** kormoc pets his ecc ram **

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wagnerrp:

ugh... i need more memory

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wagnerrp:

im starting to dig into the swap pretty hard

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[R]:

that's what she said?

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kormoc:

No... She really wants to forget that night...

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[R]:

lol

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dj_segfault:

Hi. I'm trying to extract a recording from the system applying the edits to it. I don't care if it's through the web interface, command line on the server, or mythfrontend. Googling around it looks like the best way to export is set up a user job for mythexport, but every example I find is how to shrink it to some portable device. I just want a copy with the edits applied. I'm even willing to apply the edits

[04:04:21]

wagnerrp:

copy where?

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wagnerrp:

most export tools are going to transcode to one format or another

[04:04:59]

wagnerrp:

since they will either be designed for use on portable devices, or for streaming over the internet

[04:05:17]

wagnerrp:

or you can use mythvidexport.py which will just copy the file into the mythvideo paths

[04:06:12]

[R]:

doesn't hte lossless transcode cut out the edits?

[04:06:20]

wagnerrp:

yes, they do

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wagnerrp:

it does it in-place

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[R]:

oh, interesting

[04:06:44]

wagnerrp:

meaning the recorded copy will be stripped as well

[04:06:51]

wagnerrp:

of course thats generally not a bad thing

[04:06:57]

wagnerrp:

if you go through the trouble to make a cutlist

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wagnerrp:

you may as well apply it permenantly

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dj_segfault:

Thanks, wagnerrp. I'm looking to play them outside of mythtv, so I'm not trying to get them back into the system as a video (as opposed to a recording). I'm looking to get a file out that mplayer/vlc/etc can play, just like the MPGs my PVR-350 records.

[04:07:26]

dj_segfault:

That would be fine, then. How do I apply the cutlist so the file is smaller?

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wagnerrp:

dj_segfault: all recordings you should be making with mythtv will exist as mpegs

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dj_segfault:

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I don't need to change formats, I just want a smaller version with the edits applied.

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dj_segfault:

Sorry if I used the wrong terms

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wagnerrp:

i thought all android applications ran in java

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[R]:

they have a native thing

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[R]:

to do c/c++

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dj_segfault:

wagnerrp: Did you write mythvidexport.py?

[04:43:31]

wagnerrp:

yes

[04:45:02]

dj_segfault:

Since I didn't really get an answer, I've been fooling around with that, but I can't get it to do anything. If I do -h or -p it prints out the help, but if I give it a tv format and chanid and start time, it just exist with no output, even if I put -v9

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dj_segfault:

I even tried specifying an invalid chanid to get some sort of error message from it.

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dj_segfault:

python /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/user_jobs/mythvidexport.py --tformat --chanid 362 --starttime 20110102013000 -s -v9

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wagnerrp:

-v9?

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wagnerrp:

not sure where you came up with that one

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, don't cha know? Because one unix util does it, they all must!

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wagnerrp:

mythvidexport just uses the same verbosity formatting as the python bindings

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wagnerrp:

the python bindings use the same verbosity formatting as the rest of mythtv

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wagnerrp:

and --tformat expects youre going to supply a format for a television episode

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dj_segfault:

The help does not say what the parameter is to -v so I guessed it was 0 to 9, 9 being the most verbose.

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wagnerrp:

and '362' is almost certainly an invalid channel id

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wagnerrp:

and are you using 0.23 or 0.24, because mythvidexport has not lived in contrib for some time

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wagnerrp:

if you are using 0.24, then that copy of mythvidexport will not function with the installed set of the bindings

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dj_segfault:

wagnerrp: : I'm using .23

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dj_segfault:

wagnerrp: Loc" says that's where it is and it's only there.

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dj_segfault:

wagnerrp: Yes, the chanid was a tyop, should be 1362. Thanks

[04:53:15]

wagnerrp:

in 0.23, it was stored in contrib

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wagnerrp:

after 0.23, contrib was cleared out, and the script no longer ships with mythtv

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dj_segfault:

wagnerrp: Fixed chanid and specifying --tformat TV, now I get a stack dump ending in "MythTV.MythBase.MythDBError: Could not find setting 'mythvideo.TVGrabber' on host 'janus'". Is there something else I have to set up?

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wagnerrp:

no, --tformat takes a formatting string, to tell it where to store the file

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wagnerrp:

see --help before you proceed further

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wagnerrp:

specifically, it will tell you to read --helpformat

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wagnerrp:

additionally, it relies on the mythvideo grabber scripts to do metadata lookups

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wagnerrp:

so mythvideo must be installed and configured on that machine

[04:57:02]

wagnerrp:

so that those scripts are installed and defined in the database for that machine

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wagnerrp:

in 0.24, those scripts are now part of the main mythtv install, and that issue no longer arises

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dj_segfault:

wagnerrp: I found the help for mythvideo, but I can't stop my server right now to even see if it's set up right. I tried --listingonly to not use the grabber, but still got "ould not find setting 'mythvideo.TVGrabber' on host 'janus'". I guess I'll have to pursue this more some other time. Thanks for your help so far.

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dj_segfault:

wagnerrp: Earlier you implied there was a way to apply the cut list in place though. How can I do that?

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wagnerrp:

go into the transcoding profiles, check off the 'lossless transcode' box

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wagnerrp:

and then use that profile on your recordings

[05:04:13]

wagnerrp:

you will need to go into edit mode 'e' to create a cutlist

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wagnerrp:

you may also want to load the commercial detection while in edit mode with 'z'

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bobgill:

I deleted a boatload of recordings via frontend and something is up, I can tell the files have not deleted from the BE, wondering how to scour the recordings dir and find these files so I can remove them, other than viewing one by one? (I use mythrename to a recording-links dir just fine but many of these are .avi and don't symlink with that)

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Beirdo:

OK, two threads left in the backend to QThread-ize, then I can test this fun

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Beirdo:

OK, now to compile it so it can run for a while

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Beirdo:

that was 7 core backend threads

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darkdrgn2k3:

make -j 7 ?

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Beirdo:

-j9 actually

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Beirdo:

but anyways

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Beirdo:

the most fun is that I'll be trying it WITH the new ffmpeg... which seems to work well on the frontend

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: the -mt stuff ever make it in?

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Beirdo:

but gotta wait for my recordings to end :)

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: not yet, I don't think

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wagnerrp:

thats a shame

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Beirdo:

Janne was saying it's "soon"

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wagnerrp:

maybe for 0.26

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Beirdo:

possibly

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Beirdo:

well, it depends on when 0.25 is too :)

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Beirdo:

aw come ON

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Beirdo:

recording solid through to 1am

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k-man:

Beirdo: out of interest, how lond does it take your machine to compile mythtv?

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Beirdo:

from clean cache?

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k-man:

no, just a usual compile

[05:57:27]

Beirdo:

normally 12min for with the ccache being used

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k-man:

not too bad

[05:57:54]

Beirdo:

see http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/waterfall

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Beirdo:

the 64-bit slave is my backend, but running -j1

[05:58:49]

Beirdo:

it takes significantly less time with -j9, but it's impossible to decipher any errors, so I don't do it that way for buildbot use

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k-man:

interesting

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Beirdo:

interesting

[06:49:37]

Beirdo:

Borders filed for bankruptcy

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[R]:

i dont think i've ever been to one... lol

[06:50:33]

Beirdo:

store closing sales started Saturday?!

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kormoc:

Great. I'll read about it in the border's coffee shop in a paper I don't intend to purchase

[06:50:46]

Beirdo:

dangit, I was AT Borders on Saturday

[06:50:57]

Beirdo:

no sale at that store yet

[06:51:51]

Beirdo:

be good for getting cheaper books/movies/whatever though

[06:52:47]

mianos:

same in australia, but it's more like a chapter 11, where they are trading out

[06:52:57]

mianos:

the thing that annoyed people is gift cards

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Beirdo:

this is Chapter 11.

[06:53:15]

Beirdo:

but I guess the store downtown Seattle may not be on the closing list?

[06:53:16]

mianos:

you can still sue them but only half the value

[06:53:24]

kormoc:

Beirdo, nonono, their's is more like chapter 11 then chapter 11!

[06:53:25]

mianos:

we don't have chapter 11 in australia

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Beirdo:

hehe

[06:53:51]

wagnerrp:

your files only go up to 10?

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Beirdo:

glad I said no to their "pay us $25 now for savings for a year" crap

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kormoc:

mianos, you know, I never would have guessed English was your primary language

[06:54:16]

mianos:

oops use them

[06:54:30]

mianos:

not bad English, but *very* sloppy typing

[06:54:46]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: he could be a bushman you insensitive clod

[06:54:47]

kormoc:

It's actually your grammar...

[06:54:51]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, ahh!

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Beirdo:

and they are getting delisted from the NYSE...

[06:55:33]

Beirdo:

here's hoping nobody here has money invested in Borders :)

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wagnerrp:

how does that work if you own stock thats no longer traded?

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[R]:

you lose your money

[06:57:28]

[R]:

lol

[06:57:44]

wagnerrp:

surely its not immediately worthless

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Beirdo:

you can still trade

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wagnerrp:

you still technically own X% of the company

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[R]:

x% of nothing is still nothing isn't it?

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Beirdo:

OTC trading still exists

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Beirdo:

it's not $0 just because they are delisted

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Beirdo:

it's $0 when the company closes

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[R]:

but if they are bankrupt...

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Beirdo:

Chapter 11 != closed

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Beirdo:

look at MCI/Worldcom

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Beirdo:

biggest Chapter 11 ever.

[06:59:07]

Beirdo:

and the company actually survived after a lot of restructuring

[06:59:13]

Beirdo:

then got bought by Verizon

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Beirdo:

I had 500 worthless shares though :)

[07:01:55]

Beirdo:

I really wish I had asked to get certificates so I could frame them

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justinh:

borders? they went a bit South here too. Heh

[07:05:06]

justinh:

never actually darkened their door

[07:05:33]

wagnerrp:

since when are we talking about taco bell?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, it's the merger of the future

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kormoc:

with all the gas taco bell gives you, you can't sit there and read for free all day anymore! It's brilliant!

[07:10:16]

Beirdo:

hehe

[07:11:01]

Beirdo:

I got to hear a bunch of militant whiners in front of Westlake moaning about Libya.

[07:11:11]

Beirdo:

every time the door to Borders opened

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Beirdo:

like Quaddafi is listening... and like anyone else cares

[07:13:26]

Beirdo:

speaking of Chap 11... how about Blockbuster :)

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kormoc:

Beirdo, your old government is bialing them out. They're fine for a few years

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Beirdo:

heh

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DHR:

I've been running a MythTV box as a backend for some time. I've just tried to run the FE and there are a couple of oddities in playing back a recording: no sound, hitting ESC gets me an unresponsive black screen, oh, and playback looks to be slow (not sure). mplayer on the same X server has no trouble with the recordings and does produce sound. I don't see anything obvious under settings. Any ideas?

[07:28:07]

DHR:

The system is Ubuntu 10.04 with current mythbuntu packages

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Beirdo:

wow. Borders is closing 2 of the 3 stores in PR.

[07:28:22]

Beirdo:

and nearly none in WA

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DHR:

Are those stores selected by whether they made money?

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

http://www.bordersreorganization.com/Reorgani . . . ure_List.pdf

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DHR:

I assume that this is enabled by bankrupty protection.

[07:29:23]

Beirdo:

anyways.

[07:29:38]

Beirdo:

yes. They are in Chap11 protection now.

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DHR:

No Borders here because I'm across a border (in Canada).

[07:30:54]

Beirdo:

yeah, you can have Chapters/Indigo

[07:31:26]

DHR:

and I have a Kobo. perhaps some fallout.

[07:33:37]

mianos:

it was odd the way the Australian, independantly owned Borders went bust the same week

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DHR:

some odd meaning of "independant", I guess.

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DHR:

In Canada, a decade or so ago, Chapters & Indigo drove most other bookstores out of business. I wonder about Chapters/Indigo's future. Amazon and Apple look pretty evil as intermediaries.

[07:47:07]

DHR:

http://pastebin.com/eWHGiPhA <=== gdb backtrace while my screen is blank

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DHR:

Kind of looks to be audio-related: #3 is in AudioOutputBase::StopOutputTHread

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DHR:

So: any idea why audio playback could be broken? Are there settings I should look at?

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DHR:

see also http://pastebin.com/nEL7E7n8 Look at lines 37–44. How's it supposed to determine its sound output device?

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kormoc:

DHR, you need to setup the audio in the frontend's settings menu

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DHR:

kormor: where would that be?

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DHR:

setup: general, page 4 currently says Audio ouput device: ALSA:default

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DHR:

kormor: I changed from ALSA:default to ALSA:pulse and that fixed it. Thanks!

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justinh:

why won't pulseaudio just die already?

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DHR:

justinh: for all its problems, pulse audio is probably the right approach.

[08:31:03]

justinh:

who needs to be able to change audio devices on the fly? let them eat cake

[08:31:28]

justinh:

what we all need for AV applications is *low* *latency* – or at least *predictable* latency

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DHR:

low jitter

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justinh:

ROFL

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DHR:

a major roll for OSes is to multiplex hardware. To let each program think it has a whole (virtual) device and let the OS figure out how to map that onto real hardware.

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DHR:

Pulse does that.

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DHR:

roll should be role

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justinh:

yeah but.. it also adds unpredictable latency

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DHR:

I don't know enough to say if that is fixable.

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justinh:

maybe it's got better since I last tried it but everything it was sold to me for just wasn't there

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justinh:

like, per app volume controls

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justinh:

oh boy what a PITA dragging those up was

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DHR:

I understand that you need to use jack if you want to accurately drive the hardware.

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justinh:

ah JACK, with its user-friendly UI & all

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DHR:

X had network transparency for the display. I wish they had included audio all along.

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DHR:

X is losing network transparency, so the world is going backwards.

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justinh:

it's all about the user now y'hear

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justinh:

the user wants shiny!

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DHR:

I'm just a user. I've never needed jack. But I know where it is when I do want it.

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justinh:

the best & worst thing about linux has always been that it wasn't user friendly :)

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veehexx:

GUys, i was playing setting up mythtv last night, and so far i've got further than i have before (i have tv signal!), but my ir remote doesnt seem to work on this install. it worked fine on previous installs... any ideas how i'd fix this – force a redetection maybe?

[08:38:11]

justinh:

that you had to know a little to get things done

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justinh:

veehexx: there's no detection of remotes

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DHR:

I don't want shiny. I want "just works". Part of "simple things should be simple", a UNIX rule.

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justinh:

veehexx: assuming lirc is running start irw from a terminal & press buttons on yer remote. If button names appear in the terminal output then lirc is working & you have some other problem

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veehexx:

wtf – thats what i keep reading. i need to manually set things up. however i'm 100% sure it worked straight out of the bat.

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veehexx:

ok, thanks for that – i'll do that when i get home.

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justinh:

veehexx: maybe with a mythtv based distro, where you select your remote stuff from a list & it cooks the config for you

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justinh:

DHR: I don't mind stuff just working – not in the least bit – but when it suddenly doesn't work I need to be able to fix it – something ubuntu seems to be going to greater lengths to prevent

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veehexx:

yeah, i did that (using mythbuntu). i'm not sure it's ever work with this install. i might start from scratch again – i can test my build notes if nothing else :)

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justinh:

I mean WTH was going through the developer's mind when they did the user/group management applet & decided not to show UIDs < 1000 .. ever?!

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justinh:

hey, I need to check the mythtv user is in the right groups... oh wait... OK, back to the terminal I go...

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justinh:

ooo a whine from The Twitter: "Unhelpful error msgs, no easy way to view logs, painfully constructed UI paradigms... Mythtv really takes the linuxbeard approach :("

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veehexx:

well, im hardly an experienced mythtv or linux but i've found it fairly good so far..

[08:46:12]

justinh:

typical moans from somebody trying to install mythtv on ubuntu though, IMHO

[08:46:28]

justinh:

DB communication problems, yada yada yada yada

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justinh:

they just don't read the frickin popups during installation

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justinh:

which is why I've constantly argued those popups should have a specific timeout & can't just be dismissed with a click

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veehexx:

ick – i dont like that idea for the sake of users refusing to read stuff.

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justinh:

if you actually stop, read & absorb what it tells you, it's damn hard to fail

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veehexx:

i see where your coming from, but would hate the idea for a delay.

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justinh:

wait til you've answered as many calls for help from Ubuntu users where the frontend can't see the backend, as I have :P

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veehexx:

it's bad enough taking calls from windows users..

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justinh:

be better to just automagically uninstall it if they haven't read the info :D

[08:50:34]

justinh:

when the db is embedded life will be much simpler & mythtv will be closer to a point & click install than ever

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justinh:

people'll still get it wrong though. They'll never stop being stupid

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veehexx:

biggest 'issue' i've come across so far, is the mythtv documentation. it seems seperated; some in the wiki, other in official info, and some info that should really be on the mythtv site thats on various blogs etc...

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justinh:

don't get me started on ^%&*$£%&ing blogs

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veehexx:

google finds it, but you have to collate everything and have a basic understanding of it all.

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veehexx:

lol :P

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justinh:

when people post 'helpful' info on their blog they're not being altruistic

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veehexx:

i agree – so many times "i've fixed it". end post. well thanks for telling everyone else how!

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justinh:

documentation is the biggest area almost ANY user can contribute to. But no, they're too damn busy editing their user page on the wiki or something

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justinh:

well I say almost any... it takes a certain degree of something to string a coherent useful sentence together

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veehexx:

true.

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justinh:

if mythtv was a DVR app for one country, with one lot of setup criteria it'd be easy

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justinh:

veehexx: I virtually nailed UK xmltv setup on the wiki, then some arse came along & spoiled it. I gave up

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veehexx:

:(

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veehexx:

thats the next thing to sort out; guide data!. busy night for me! new nvidia gfx card, get IR working, and work out how to get guide data..

[09:01:56]

justinh:

if you use a DVB tuner you can just grab data from over the air

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veehexx:

i thought i had guide data setup correctly, but no data, so i'll have to recheck it.

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veehexx:

im using satillite – im sure that works over the air though

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veehexx:

alot of the issue is me being very new to mythtv. so i'm learning it, rather than technical difficulties :)

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justinh:

the biggest trap people fall into with xmltv configuration is that they scan for channels from Freeview or something, then configure xmltv (or vice versa) – then they end up with duplicate channels – one set which are working channels but have no guide data & the other set has guide data but no channel numbers.. and they don't work :-)

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justinh:

it's a very easy trap to fall into, whether you follow the docs or not

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veehexx:

might be my issue; guide for freeview and not freesat.

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veehexx:

ah well – minor thing, channel flicking will suffice in the shortterm :P

[09:06:37]

justinh:

the big idea some of us have is to wizardise the whole shebang

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justinh:

channel flicking? :-\

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veehexx:

i found the windows7 media center wizard excellent. way better than mythtv. it also somehow gets INSTANT channel data. mythtv scan is 20mins!

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veehexx:

that said, win7 isnt reliable for htpc use anyway.

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veehexx:

and yeah – channel flicking. i've got bigger fish to fry than work out guide data in mythtv atm.

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veehexx:

i dont _need_ a bitstream capable gfx card do I?

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veehexx:

im thinking of the nvidia 210 for mythtv, but it doesnt have bitstream capability.

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justinh:

20 mins for scanning? ROFLMAO

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justinh:

as for bitstreaming.. anything more than 5.1 audio == MEH IMHO

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justinh:

and the windows media wizards are obviously going to be better than mythtv's... they've gone to a load of effort to make it nice whereas mythtv mostly relies on users to set it up

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justinh:

not that MCE will always be *right* of course

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justinh:

not that MCE can cater to more edgy cases, of course :-P

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CiaranG:

Anyone got any clues as to where to start looking for the cause of this error? – ProgramInfo(1038_20110221223000.mpg), Error: GetPlaybackURL: '1038_20110221223000.mpg' should be local, but it can not be found.

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CiaranG:

There doesn't seem to be anything more useful in the logs. Basically, sometimes it records fine, and other times it seems to think it's recorded, but the file isn't created

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justinh:

so look in the backend log then

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CiaranG:

justinh: That error line came from the backend log

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CiaranG:

There doesn't seem to be anything else related, other than messages like that

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justinh:

so maybe you need to run mythbackend with -v record

[11:54:37]

justinh:

you using digital TV? maybe your signal is crud

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justinh:

or sometimes crud

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justinh:

or borderline

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CiaranG:

Yep, it's DV-B, but the signal is good.

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CiaranG:

Right, -v record sounds like a good idea, thanks. I'll try that

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justinh:

what are you calling good? getting numbers from femon?

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justinh:

or are you believing the numbers mythtv tells you? cos the drivers can lie

[11:58:37]

justinh:

FWIW calling it 'good' when something else on the same cable outlet works ok isn't the same thing ;-)

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CiaranG:

Well I'm calling it good in that I get perfect pictures in live tv, and perfect recordings

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justinh:

you might also need to rescan. when things move around on DVB.. mythbackend doesn't like it

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CiaranG:

Expect when it doesn't work at all, like this

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CiaranG:

Yeah, I tried a rescan already

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justinh:

yeah when it works it's all good lol

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CiaranG:

lol

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justinh:

it's great except when it isn;t :P

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CiaranG:

Ok, but I did have a borderline signal (mice chewed the cable) and it was pretty obvious

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Valen:

quick question, I have a TV with that "motion flow" and I really like the effect, however it doesn't play nice with deinterlacing, when I watch through normal TV though it seems to deinterlace and motionflow in a pleasant manner, I don't however want to output interlaced signals all the time. Is there some method to get myth to set the output frame rate and resolution / interlacing to match the input signal?

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Valen:

avenard has patches that will adjust the frame rate to suit the source material

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justinh:

'motion flow' ? Oh you mean advanced processing BS where they attempt to put stuff into the video that wasn't there already. Gotcha

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Valen:

yes that

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Valen:

which gets rid of the judder that I see in all TV's without it, my eyes are odd

[12:04:34]

justinh:

nah, just means that most flat panel TVs suck at motion estimation :)

[12:04:43]

Valen:

I see it on CRT's

[12:04:52]

Valen:

I'll happily trade the occasional glitch for not getting shitty every time there is a slow pan

[12:05:15]

Valen:

and a flat panel without "motion flow" does no motion estimation anyway

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justinh:

oh but they do

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Valen:

my LCD sure didnt

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justinh:

not all maybe, but some

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justinh:

anyway.. watch yer language in here. family channel etc

[12:06:21]

Valen:

anyway, don't solve the problem i'm not having or ague that its not a problem and everything is right as it is,

[12:06:46]

Valen:

the specific problem is the deinterlacing doesn't play nice with the motionflow

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justinh:

what deinterlacing?

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justinh:

you mean mythfrontend deinterlacing?

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Valen:

vdpau advanced

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Valen:

yeah

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justinh:

so turn it off & leave it up to the TV

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Valen:

TV just sees a funny looking non interlaced signal then

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Valen:

no?

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Valen:

as the video output is 1080p

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justinh:

not if you use an interlaced mode

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Valen:

which leads me back to the origional question

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Valen:

Is there some method to get myth to set the output frame rate and resolution / interlacing to match the input signal?

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CiaranG:

I've never understood this: If I have a twin tuner DV-B card, I set up two Capture Cards, one Video Source, and two Input Connections, right? But do I have to do the 'scan for channels' thing on BOTH of the Input Connections?

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wagnerrp:

no, the Video Source contains the channel list

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wagnerrp:

you only need to scan for channels once per source

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wagnerrp:

if you have two tuners on the same source that may not receive the same channels, they must be moved to independent sources

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wagnerrp:

thats the whole point of splitting out the source from the tuners, so you dont have to do that duplicate setup

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CiaranG:

Right, thanks

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kormoc:

sphery, Did you have luck with Amazon's VOD in linux?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: you around?

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wagnerrp:

wondering if youre interested in logs related to MFD not pulling data

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wagnerrp:

(when not using --dd-grab-all)

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wagnerrp:

this is three times now in the past month ive had to manually run MFD due to lack of guide data

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sphery:

kormoc: I'm so upset, now... I was about to post a linkk to http://www.amazon.com/Video-On-Demand/b/ref=s . . . ode=16261631 for you and Beirdo--but, obviously, you've heard

[18:10:53]

Beirdo:

heh, just announced

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trumee:

any idea what the black thing besides the card is? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HAUPPAUGE-WINTV-MULTI-P . . . em5197e69452

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sphery:

kormoc: I watched the episode on Windows. I was unable to start it playing on my mythfrontend, then started it playing on Windows. Then, while watching, I started to wonder if it was because of my x86_64 install, so I went to an x86_32 PC and it started playing. I figured it must be the arch, but then after I stopped playback on my Windows box, I couldn't get it to play on my GNU/Linux box--so I think I leached off my Windows PC's ...

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sphery:

... having authorized it when I checked the 32-bit.

[18:13:51]

wagnerrp:

trumee: you mean the black cable in the back? or the black box to the left?

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trumee:

wagnerrp: black box

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wagnerrp:

IR receiver

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wagnerrp:

just a standard MCEUSB uni

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wagnerrp:

t

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sphery:

wagnerrp: are you sure it's actually running mfdb? there's an issue where if mythbackend doesn't figure out that mythfilldatabase shut down, it will stay in the "is running" state forever--and mythbackend doesn't run mfdb when it's currently running

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trumee:

wagnerrp:ah i see. never seen something that big before. is it ir-blaster too?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: we should probably put a time-based sanity check on that is-running check

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wagnerrp:

trumee: the wire in the back is a transmitter

[18:15:22]

wagnerrp:

there are two 1/8" jacks on the back of the receiver for plugging in transmitters

[18:15:31]

wagnerrp:

you can use two, but it ships with one

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trumee:

wagnerrp: right. thanks

[18:16:16]

wagnerrp:

sphery: i wonder if this could be the problem... wget: not found

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sphery:

ah, yeah, that would be a problem

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sphery:

Beirdo hasn't rewritten that to not use wget, yet...

[18:17:13]

wagnerrp:

now the bigger question... why cant it find wget

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wagnerrp:

since that is certainly installed

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sphery:

he needs to get to work on my TODO list... falling behind my schedule

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wagnerrp:

wonder if i have some funky PATH in my backend environment

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sphery:

or restricted by sudo or similar?

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wagnerrp:

no, not restricted

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trumee:

wagnerrp: bought this card today, http://offer.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?View . . . 260740036634

[18:19:01]

wagnerrp:

nice price

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wagnerrp:

at least if it works

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trumee:

wagnerrp: yes, i am hoping it works.

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trumee:

wagnerrp: i am going to get the daughter cards from hauppauge.eu if the above card works

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trumee:

wagnerrp:My Nokia N900 can output video signal on composite, so will test the card with that

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wagnerrp:

sphery: the freebsd init system does some funky things, its entirely possible its stripping my environment

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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trumee:

Do cards fail over time? The card was sitting in somebodys PC so it must have seen quite a few power cycles. Any idea what sort of life will that card carry.

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wagnerrp:

yes, they can and do fail

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wagnerrp:

you may get several years out of that card, you may get several weeks, it may die as soon as you put it in the computer

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trumee:

wagnerrp: oh, that is quite uncertain then

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: i assume youre not using the download manager, since it doesnt support the necessary capabilities to interface with DD?

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wagnerrp:

i.e. POST data

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** trumee is going to replace two almost new Pvr-250 cards with that old card (Fingers crossed it will work for a few years) **

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wagnerrp:

almost new? what for?

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trumee:

wagnerrp: i bought two pvr-250 cards less than a year ago. The mobo has only two pci slots, so i am going replace them with 2 pvr-500 cards

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wagnerrp:

any pcie?

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trumee:

wagnerrp: yes, there is a free pcie slot

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: yeah, the idea long-term is to use the download manager, but that hasn't occurred yet.

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wagnerrp:

should have just picked up an HVR-2200

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Beirdo:

between POST and authentication, not sure that we are ready to use it that way yet

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trumee:

wagnerrp: not at that price :)

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trumee:

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Beirdo:

Well, I think my AutoExpire thread change seems to be working

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Beirdo:

judging by the spew in my logs with CalcParams()

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** wagnerrp needs to pick up a copy of Machete **

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wagnerrp:

have you seen the cast list in that thing?

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Beirdo:

nope

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Beirdo:

OK, I need coffee

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sphery:

wagnerrp: cool, glad you figured it out

[18:41:01]

Beirdo:

need to dropkick something.

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** Beirdo remembers South Park... kick the baby! **

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sphery:

oh, and FWIW, I was joking about Beirdo doing it--just saying it was another item on my TODO, so someone else needs to do it

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Beirdo:

hehe

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** wagnerrp hands Beirdo a small kitten **

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: heh – http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commit . . . /078406.html doesn't the build bot catch these things?

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Beirdo:

how can it?

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skd5aner:

No idea... that's why I asked?

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Beirdo:

we don't have a Windows slave yet

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: we dont have a windows buildbot yet

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skd5aner:

well... there you go :)

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skd5aner:

couldn't you load up a vm whereever your other buildbots are?

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Beirdo:

and we won't until his build script is accepted into the mainstream, which means all his custom patches gone

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skd5aner:

or is the issue getting a windows license?

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Beirdo:

no

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Beirdo:

the issue is no appropriate build script yet :)

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skd5aner:

gotcha

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Beirdo:

we are closing in on it though

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, Beirdo, MDM does support POST, but not cookies currently.

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Beirdo:

K. I wasn't sure yet :) We'll work on it to get rid of shelling out to wget... eventually

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Captain_Murdoch:

I looked into cookies, there's isn't a builtin disk-based cookie cache, only a memory based one, but that might work for now for our simple needs.

[18:48:14]

Captain_Murdoch:

and I think that the memory version needs some glue to get working as well.

[18:48:27]

Captain_Murdoch:

just glanced at it one day a while ago.

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Beirdo:

I think for DD, we just need to handle the 401 code

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Beirdo:

and send auth, try again. I don't think it does cookies.

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Captain_Murdoch:

ok, I may be remembering something else then. I thought we had somewhere that used wget to save a cookie.

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Beirdo:

not that I recall, but I DO need caffeine. Maybe when we grab the lineups or something?

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Beirdo:

for the main run, pretty sure it doesn't

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Captain_Murdoch:

DataDirectProcessor::Post() does have support for cookies. not sure if it's used or not though.

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Beirdo:

hmm, odd

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Beirdo:

K

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Beirdo:

I'm gonna go get me some coffee so I'm not a total zombie

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Captain_Murdoch:

simple cookie support in MDM would be easy though, so that's not a blocker.

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sphery:

we do need cookies, but in-memory is fine (all dd cookies are session cookies)

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Captain_Murdoch:

ok, thx. I'll try to take a quick look at it again soonish. :)

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sphery:

yeah, I don't think MDM is far from being usable for it.

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sphery:

one of us will get to it one day

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wagnerrp:

anyone know if the AMD dual processor boards can function single processor?

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sphery:

I'm too much of a cheapskate to know that answer

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wagnerrp:

just wondering, have an old dual P3 that had a filler chip to be used for single-processor operation

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wagnerrp:

sphery: considering a replacement server, and running single processor would make it almost half cost for starting out

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sphery:

yeah, I'm just too cheap to buy a dual-socket mobo

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Beirdo:

hehe

[19:04:05]

sphery:

of course, I don't have any need for real servers at home and other people do servers for work stuff

[19:04:47]

wagnerrp:

im just pissed off at my perpetual lack of memory

[19:05:00]

wagnerrp:

and you cant really crank up the memory on consumer systems

[19:05:19]

skd5aner:

8GB not enough for you?

[19:05:57]

wagnerrp:

according to ZFS best practices, i should have 18GB

[19:06:14]

kormoc:

you can never have enough memory

[19:06:29]

skd5aner:

there is a curve however

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Beirdo:

you need 192GB

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wagnerrp:

i think 16GB is good enough for new

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wagnerrp:

now

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devinheitmueller:

you will never need more than 640KB.

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

"Correction, DTSPassTrough is also there, was 0. I had to create a primary key to edit the table in Webmin, though."

[19:22:14]

sphery:

great...

[19:22:28]

sphery:

I'll just modify my schema--what's the worst that could happen?

[19:22:38]

skd5aner:

sphery: not your concern :)

[19:22:48]

sphery:

heh

[19:23:07]

skd5aner:

unsupportable customizations are... exactly what it says :)

[19:23:13]

sphery:

yeah, true

[19:23:38]

sphery:

just one of those things that I hate to see

[19:23:44]

skd5aner:

yea, I hear ya

[19:23:55]

kormoc:

skd5aner, but according to the all mighty and powerful users, it's all our fault

[19:23:57]

skd5aner:

I guess it's a good time to warn others :)

[19:24:07]

skd5aner:

"don't do what this guy just did"

[19:24:40]

skd5aner:

kormoc: it's also your fault that mythweb pages load exponentially faster... how dare you!

[19:25:09]

skd5aner:

I really enjoyed watch the hour glass, now all I get is a dataset returned within a few seconds :P

[19:25:13]

sphery:

skd5aner: and that the playback startup is so fast that the please wait screen doesn't have time to appear

[19:25:29]

sphery:

(that was Mark's fault, but similar idea)

[19:26:04]

skd5aner:

sphery: yea, although I think I need to update fixes again cause I'm finding a slight issue with that improvement

[19:26:33]

skd5aner:

sometimes I'll hit enter to start playback of recording, and I get no feedback that my keypress was accepted (UI stays the same) and I'll hit enter again, and when i do that bad things happen

[19:26:43]

sphery:

yeah, that was fixed

[19:26:48]

skd5aner:

but I think that might be fixed in a susequent update

[19:27:24]

skd5aner:

the livetv fixes him and tralph did were amazing though

[19:27:35]

skd5aner:

I mean, it's faster than my STB at this point, believe it or not

[19:27:48]

sphery:

by speeding things up so the please wait didn't appear, he made an issue with action handling visible that previously wasn't (because we were too slow to hit the case), so he had to fix that

[19:28:10]

skd5aner:

I did count the other day though, my HD-PVR takes between 10–15 seconds to actually change channels when it's using that as a source for livetv

[19:28:21]

sphery:

and the fix works great... there were a couple of other fixes, and--in most circumstances--the please wait should appear, again

[19:28:37]

skd5aner:

but my pvr-250/500s will switch channels within 1–2 seconds max

[19:28:38]

skd5aner:

it's great

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sphery:

at least it should appear for those who saw it before

[19:29:32]

sphery:

(I haven't updated mine to see if it appears--but it didn't used to before the original change that made it not appear for anyone)

[19:29:51]

skd5aner:

yea, I missed that update by just a few days

[19:30:30]

sphery:

yeah, I explicitly added that update to my frontend systems... will just update all systems with current -fixes, likely next week (when I get some time)

[19:30:30]

skd5aner:

it's just minor enough that I can live it until I care enough to git pull

[19:30:41]

sphery:

heh, yeah

[19:30:51]

skd5aner:

when did you finally jump to 0.24?

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sphery:

oh, I was 0.23-fixes until the Live TV fixes went into 0.24

[19:32:01]

sphery:

but in 0.23-fixes, I never got the Please Wait

[19:32:25]

sphery:

so, yeah, it's possible I would have gotten it in 0.24-fixes prior to the fixes, but...

[19:32:42]

stevieman:

Does anyone have a good how-to on how to get mythbuntu to control a dish 301/bell 3100 receiver?

[19:33:54]

sphery:

stevieman: not a howto, but definitely the recommended lirc config file: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DISHNetworkLIRCConfiguration

[19:34:26]

veehexx:

i'm having big issues with mythtv :(

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stevieman:

sphery: Thanks I'll take a look at that. I know last time I tried there was a problem with mythbuntu and IRBlaster, hopefully that's been fixed

[19:35:19]

veehexx:

IR was working, now it's not... any ideas how i go about finding out what changed/restoring functino?

[19:35:23]

sphery:

yeah... I remember hearing about those problems--don't know current status

[19:37:23]

stevieman:

veehexx: Are you running mythbuntu and if so did you enable irBlaster in the control panel?

[19:37:50]

veehexx:

mythbuntu – yes. 10.10. it's worked for the last 2–3 reboots, and now it's stoped. i'll try that though....

[19:38:17]

stevieman:

veehexx: Turn off irBlaster. It breaks everything IR related

[19:38:53]

veehexx:

where is irblaster; i cant find it (i presume in Mythbuntu Control centre?)

[19:39:36]

stevieman:

veehexx: it was the last time I tried to get it working, they may have moved it

[19:40:27]

veehexx:

ok, i have 'Infrared' option in the mythbuntu control panel...

[19:40:33]

veehexx:

but thats specifically refering to lirc.

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stevieman:

veehexx: yes, uncheck IR Transmitter

[19:40:50]

veehexx:

already is..

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veehexx:

i just have remote control ticked, and the appropriate reciever set.

[19:41:36]

stevieman:

veehexx: ok, well I don't know what the problem is then :) Sorry, when I enabled the transmitter the receiver stopped working.

[19:41:58]

veehexx:

ok, thansk for trying :)

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veehexx:

and :( every media center i touch, i have big issues with it!

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veehexx:

ok, well, lets try reinstall...

[19:43:24]

stevieman:

make sure lirc is running and didn't get shut down

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veehexx:

hopw do i check that?

[19:44:16]

veehexx:

sorry for n00b question; im not that good with linux yet!

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FabriceMG:

veehexx, ok, if your ir recever work some time at reboot, just 1 explication

[19:48:57]

veehexx:

it used to work

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veehexx:

now it doesnt.

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veehexx:

something seems to of changed rather than intermittent...

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FabriceMG:

veehexx, ok?

[19:56:43]

veehexx:

nope... still no good.

[19:56:51]

FabriceMG:

On mythubuntu 10.10, you just have to add this line in /etc/udev/rules.d/65-persistent-hauppauge.rules

[19:56:51]

FabriceMG:

SUBSYSTEM=="input", KERNEL=="event*", ATTRS{idVendor}=="2040", ATTRS{idProduct}=="8400", SYMLINK+="lirc0"

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veehexx:

im trying to work out if my TBS 6981 card is interfering with the ir stuff

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veehexx:

and i dont have hauppauge :P

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FabriceMG:

it's one sample !

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veehexx:

ah, ok

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veehexx:

that file doesnt exisit

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veehexx:

i've got a 70-persistent-cd.rules, and 70-persistent-net.rules.

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FabriceMG:

yep

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FabriceMG:

you create the file

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FabriceMG:

pastbin the result of command : cat /proc/bus/input/devices

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veehexx:

http://pastebin.com/hZBhwg40

[20:02:20]

veehexx:

well... that explains why it doesnt work anymore – it's not there!!

[20:03:12]

FabriceMG:

no veehexx

[20:03:15]

veehexx:

if it helps any, the IR reciever is a windows media center USB device...

[20:03:41]

veehexx:

no?

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FabriceMG:

wait , I research the next command, wait

[20:04:40]

veehexx:

k :)

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FabriceMG:

pastbin -> sudo udevadm info -a path -n /dev/input/event4

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veehexx:

sory .... i put that pastebin stuff into the next bit...?

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veehexx:

doh.... pastebin the output!

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veehexx:

http://pastebin.com/7wMLfj6S

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FabriceMG:

did you havr checked IR recever in Mythbuntu control center?

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veehexx:

yes.

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FabriceMG:

you have to put it as it worked before

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veehexx:

it is..

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veehexx:

not changed it.

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FabriceMG:

pastebin me /etc/lirc/hardware.conf

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FabriceMG:

command --> cat /etc/lirc/hardware.conf

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veehexx:

http://pastebin.com/0P0UQN65

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veehexx:

whiooops

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veehexx:

start your reading at line 70.... i seem to of copied too much

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FabriceMG:

oki

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FabriceMG:

create the file /etc/udev/rules.d/65-persistent-remote.rules

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FabriceMG:

with in the file

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FabriceMG:

SUBSYSTEM=="input", KERNEL=="event*", ATTRS{name}=="cx23885 IR (TurboSight TBS 6981)", SYMLINK+="lirc0"

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veehexx:

done

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FabriceMG:

last command for test

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FabriceMG:

pastebin, (in new pastebin), sudo udevadm test /sys/class/input/event4

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veehexx:

http://pastebin.com/Tfqk7yKu

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FabriceMG:

devadm_test: DEVLINKS=/dev/char/13:68 /dev/input/by-path/pci-0000:02:00.0-event-ir /dev/lirc0

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FabriceMG:

all good, now reboot

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veehexx:

has that excluded the Turbosight TBS IR reciever, or forced it?

[20:26:12]

FabriceMG:

fixed your IR on /dev/lirc0

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FabriceMG:

check after reboot , if you have /dev/lirc0

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veehexx:

i have the /dev/lirc0, but it's not working. from the commands, your using the TBS receiver... i need the media center USB...

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veehexx:

looks like the TBS card has somehow disabled the USB.

[20:31:03]

veehexx:

ok, thats in itself isnt a problem – i dont mind which i use.

[20:31:25]

veehexx:

however i now need to work out what IR codes the TBS card uses to program my Harmony controller with...

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FabriceMG:

In your pastebin, I see only TBS receiver, not the media center USB

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veehexx:

yeah, me too.

[20:35:54]

veehexx:

thats annoying... TBS card seems to be disabling it when it gets it's drivers installed.

[20:36:27]

veehexx:

long shot; is there a way around that?

[20:37:36]

FabriceMG:

pastebin command ---> lsusb

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veehexx:

http://pastebin.com/MyC7WWRr – line2 is the device... that ehome reciever

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FabriceMG:

pastebin command ---> dmesg | grep -i lirc

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veehexx:

http://pastebin.com/ZZgHfyJG

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veehexx:

(i just want to say thanks for doing this Fabrice – i really appreciate it!)

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FabriceMG:

http://eubolist.wordpress.com/2010/02/01/set- . . . ote-control/

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FabriceMG:

try this

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veehexx:

ok,reading through it now!

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veehexx:

that irw command is not found..

[20:48:14]

veehexx:

and apt-get isnt finding it either...

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justinh:

oh so you've not actually got lirc installed then

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veehexx:

well, it sems i do..

[20:49:28]

veehexx:

i did apt-get install lirc – says it's installed & upto date

[20:49:28]

justinh:

not if you don't have irw there

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JEDIDIAH___:

look for other lirc packages

[20:49:55]

justinh:

what kind of lirc package wouldn't have irw? :-O

[20:50:08]

JEDIDIAH___:

some distros will even tell you what you're missing if you type a bogus command

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veehexx:

ahh.... ok, removed and reinstalled lirc.

[20:51:08]

veehexx:

* Unable to load LIRC kernel modules. Verify your selected kernel modules in /etc/lirc/hardware.conf

[20:51:56]

veehexx:

http://pastebin.com/3EeSnK1Z

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JEDIDIAH___:

something like dpkg-reconfigure lirc

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FabriceMG:

did you have the irw command?

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JEDIDIAH___:

irw should be in the lirc package

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veehexx:

irw not found; and same issue when i run dpkg.

[20:54:09]

veehexx:

dpkg = kernel modules not loaded

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veehexx:

oh.... and it's failing to stop the LIRC daemon too...

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FabriceMG:

you have problem with Lirc installation, not with configuration of lirc

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veehexx:

i'd of thought apt-get remove lirc'

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veehexx:

would fix it.

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squidly:

can myth grab from and control another UPNP device?

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skd5aner:

not yet

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skd5aner:

only serve content (currently)

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squidly:

skd5aner: didnt think to. I'm hopeing that comes about soon. I would be nice. My driectv H24's do UPNP I think

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Beirdo:

I think they only do the mediarender in the reciever box, not mediaserver

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Beirdo:

i.e. it will make a (crappy) frontend replacement

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Beirdo:

unless they've made it much better than the H23

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veehexx:

will i think it's game over. :(

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veehexx:

*well

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veehexx:

:D i have irw installed..

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veehexx:

HURRAH! IR working again. i guess mythtv or the tbs drivers corrupted/broke something.

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veehexx:

i got latest lirc download and installed from there.

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veehexx:

thats definately one for the notes! :)

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justinh:

mythtv doesn't break lirc

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squidly:

Beirdo: yea I've got the h24

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squidly:

so I'm going to have to take a look at that one

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veehexx:

it'll be tbs drivers then.

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veehexx:

i havent looked yet; but does mythtv have stuff like remote record, or record via email?

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justinh:

EMAIL? ROFLMAO

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veehexx:

silly question? :P

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justinh:

mythweb

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veehexx:

thanks!

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wagnerrp:

justinh: watching recordings, one second at a time

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more netsplits in the last several days than actual coversation :/

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justinh:

or one frame at a time if you use the android gmail client

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veehexx:

another n00b question: whats going to be the best way to organise channels? a ubuntu thread says a sql script – seems straight forward, but is there a better way?

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wagnerrp:

organize them... how?

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justinh:

mangling the db with a script? Ouch. Very frowned upon round these parts

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wagnerrp:

anyone fiddling with sql is likely doing bad things

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veehexx:

well, right now i have about 10 BBC channels

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veehexx:

and they appear to be organised alphabetically.

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skd5aner:

organized in the guide?

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veehexx:

but i'd rather have bbc1 on channel 1, bbc2 on ch2, itv on ch3 etc etc.

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skd5aner:

In the guide it should be organized by channum

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skd5aner:

you can use the channel editor in the frontend or in mythweb to make sure you channums are correctly aligned to your data source

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skd5aner:

and really, you can make them whatever you want

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justinh:

skd5aner: makes no odds what channums folk use for freeview or freesat over here

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skd5aner:

ttbomk, channum can be whatever you want it to be...callsign and xmltvid is what really matters for listing data

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veehexx:

good, becuase right now their all over the place; seem to be something like transponder ID

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kormoc:

they're the channel numbers that they claimed to be

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veehexx:

< too used to sky/windows arranging that for me then :)

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veehexx:

ok, another question... Mythtv Sleep/wake from IR. the hardware supports it (fine in windows), but mythtv isnt going into sleep... am i able todo this?

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iamlindoro:

MythTV is an application, we don't have anything to do with the sleeping/waking of your system, you want to speak to your distro about that

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veehexx:

ok, i know under windows that the media center can prevent the pc going into sleep. didnt know is mythtv had such a feature...

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veehexx:

i'll look into it more then

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wagnerrp:

you need to run irexec and have it run a stand by script when you press the relevant button

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wagnerrp:

you may also need to tweak your power settings to enable s3 wake-on-usb

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Beirdo:

wow, this symbol visibility stuff is a mess :)

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Beirdo:

OMG, people asking about Amazon streaming on MythTV already!?

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kormoc:

for sures1 Don't you know we've been working with them for months secretly to get support working before they announced it?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

and one of the first movies they set for streaming is The Girs Who Kicked The Hornet's Nest (well thta series)

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Beirdo:

and my BluRay copies just shipped.

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Beirdo:

bah

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kormoc:

it's like the whole drive failing thread too. Oh noes! my drives are failing and thus it must be industry wide! DON'T BUY DRIVES!

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

drives MAY be a wee bit more or less resiliant than before, but they've always failed at some rate or another

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kormoc:

not a single person in the thread has nearly enough drives to even indicate a blip with a single run of drives...

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Beirdo:

yeah, I noticed that :)

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Beirdo:

all a pile of statistical noise

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wagnerrp:

the amazon prime stuff is not a subscription service is it?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, it's a $80 per year thing, one time or auto-renew, aye

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wagnerrp:

i mean the streaming

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Beirdo:

but it's for more than just streaming video... free 2-day shipping FTW

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wagnerrp:

prime itself is subscription, but i thought the streaming was still per-view

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, it's free with prime

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, if you have prime, you have unlimited streaming for free

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wagnerrp:

but its not completely free, right?

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Beirdo:

not all videos yet, but soon it seems

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, completely free

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wagnerrp:

you have to buy the physical disk to get a streaming copy?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, negative

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Beirdo:

nope

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kormoc:

this is why netflix is crapping their pants

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Beirdo:

as well they should

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kormoc:

they're paying amazon to compete with them

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Beirdo:

Amazon Prime is cheaper

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kormoc:

Beirdo, netflix is on ec2 as well

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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Beirdo:

I'd forgotten that part. Yeah

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wagnerrp:

looks like it just uses flash player, so linux/mythnetvision should work

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Beirdo:

let me see

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Beirdo:

Analyze This...

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Beirdo:

connecting....

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Beirdo:

it is definitely flash-based

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Beirdo:

still says connecting

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** Beirdo is on a debian box. **

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GreyFoxx:

holy crap.... I wonder if they will stream to Canadian IPs

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GreyFoxx:

probably not *sigh*

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wagnerrp:

apparently theyre running a one-month free trial

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wagnerrp:

you can always find a cheap episode ($1-$2) to test it on

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kormoc:

or if you are a mom or student (.edu email addy), it's a year free

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Beirdo:

the trial is of Prime itself, AFAIK

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Beirdo:

not of the video

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kormoc:

(and by mom, buy enough baby stuff)

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Beirdo:

still not connecting for crap

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kormoc:

yeah, they're using it to drive prime membership and to drive more sales

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Beirdo:

but that could be something in our work network :)

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kormoc:

Beirdo, sphery had it working after he 'authed' it on a windows box

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Beirdo:

nice

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Beirdo:

I'll have to try at home so the networking isn't an issue

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JEDIDIAH___:

ok. so who's going to write the plugin? '-)

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wagnerrp:

plugin is already written

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Beirdo:

oooh... ABC, NBC, Fox, Showtime, CW, HBO, FX, Syfy, USA Network

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JEDIDIAH___:

which one will handle it?

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wagnerrp:

someone just needs to write the data grabber to make the plugin handle it

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wagnerrp:

mythnetvision

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wagnerrp:

in theory, if they have a rss feed of newest releases, it should work right now

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kormoc:

Beirdo, what flash version?

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GreyFoxx:

"Thank You — You'll complete your Amazon Prime free trial sign up at checkout"

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GreyFoxx:

hehe it wants me to buy something to sign up for the free trial :)

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JEDIDIAH___:

that is the nature of pretty much any "free" trial.

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wagnerrp:

buy some paper clips, get the free shipping

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Beirdo:

10.0 r45 it seems

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GreyFoxx:

hahaha

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kormoc:

JEDIDIAH___, when the item is mainly free shipping, it makes no sense to start it before you ship

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kormoc:

Beirdo, any newer ones?

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Beirdo:

not at work, no :)

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JEDIDIAH___:

the free shipping is not a one time thing. so it's not like you can't take advantage of it some other time. or many other times for that matter.

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Beirdo:

mine's up for renewal in a few months

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kormoc:

JEDIDIAH___, it's designed to optimize your benefit. Why start the prime membership a month before you buy something?

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Beirdo:

been definitely worth it

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Beirdo:

go buy a new TV, pay $5.99 for overnight shipping.

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Beirdo:

heh

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JEDIDIAH___:

I think the idea is to go the other direction... "oh, the shipping is free on this now"

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Beirdo:

of course it is

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kormoc:

$5.99 for same day, $3.99 for next day

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Beirdo:

sorry, yeah.

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Beirdo:

instead of the $90 or so you'd pay for next day without prime

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** kormoc smacks his f14 dvd download. **

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wagnerrp:

are most things covered by that special shipping?

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Beirdo:

anything from Amazon.com, or fulfilled by amazon.com

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, a huge number of things, aye. It's pretty extensive and you can filter your search results on that criteria

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wagnerrp:

even like big heavy UPSs, or furniture, or.. other bulky items?

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JEDIDIAH___:

same stuff as would be covered by normal "free shipping" options.

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: yes. if sold directly by amazon.com

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Beirdo:

or fulfilled by them

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, I for my brother a treadmill, a big, heavy treadmill. Next day shipping for $3.99 to rural PA.

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wagnerrp:

nice

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JEDIDIAH___:

$4 overnight shipping for a UPS

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Beirdo:

http://www.amazon.com/DreamSeat-Dallas-Cowboy . . . /B0014BT5F0/

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Beirdo:

prime eligible

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Beirdo:

and fugly

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Beirdo:

mind you, they only offered standard shipping

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k-man:

how do you guys automate the building of mythtv? the way i did it is with a make file which includes some "sudo make install" but the problem with that is it requires me to enter a password half way through the compile

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** Beirdo shrugs **

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kormoc:

k-man, I use Gentoo...

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wagnerrp:

i use root

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GreyFoxx:

./configure; make; make install ?

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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k-man:

i build as the mythtv user

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GreyFoxx:

I don't automate it

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k-man:

then sudo make install

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GreyFoxx:

I manually run configure, and then make

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kormoc:

Beirdo, reports that it does work on 32 bit flash on linux

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Beirdo:

cool

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GreyFoxx:

and assuming no errors, make install

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kormoc:

One would think that the fedora dvd iso download would go faster then 7 megabytes per second... Ugh...

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wagnerrp:

one would think someone with twice the bandwidth of a T3 wouldnt be complaining about download speeds

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Beirdo:

it's likely your Gentoo box saying "WTF, I'm gonna slow this one down!"

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kormoc:

Heh, perhaps

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kormoc:

and f14 fails to boot... great

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Beirdo:

no Tomcat for you

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kormoc:

I feel so dirty downloading ubuntu...

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

ah THERE's that other thread

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: youve got to fill that daily terabyte of capacity somehow

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** Beirdo goes thread hunting with a club **

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Beirdo:

so the *one* I'm not sure of that I changed last night is the filldb one from within the housekeeper code

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Beirdo:

and it happens so rarely... bah

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keith4_:

since upgrading to 0.24+fixes, whenever I go to "recorded programs" in mythweb and try to filter using the "Show recordings" dropdown menu, it fails with "Warning: No matching programs found. Showing all programs."

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