Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, February 21st, 2011, 00:01 UTC

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i have seen motherboards that use mobile sockets, but theyre far and few between

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sphery:

ah, I see... anyway, they're likely more expensive than they're worth, anyway

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sphery:

kormoc: you around?

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wagnerrp:

usually double the price or more

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

and same for CPU

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wagnerrp:

and it only allows low power consumption, not small form factor

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sphery:

ah, really? wow

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sphery:

so like a micro-atx board with different socket?

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wagnerrp:

well its still going to be designed to fit a standard case

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wagnerrp:

youre not going to find anything outside that, that wont be custom designed

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sphery:

zright

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wagnerrp:

i looked at some Pentium M stuff years ago, but they were still micro-atx boards

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wagnerrp:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813153174

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wagnerrp:

paired with one of these... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819111013

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wagnerrp:

and you basically have a mac mini... but with much lesser graphics, and much larger size

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sphery:

and without the graphics, you lose much of the benefit of the mini

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wagnerrp:

well its still an nvidia chip, almost certainly capable of VDPAU

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wagnerrp:

but youre going to be stuck with the very base deinterlace filters

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sphery:

oh, really... figured it wasn't a vdpau one

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wagnerrp:

and it may struggle with opengl

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trumee:

is there any other device like joggler on the market?

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wagnerrp:

any of the recent spat of tablet

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wagnerrp:

s

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trumee:

wagnerrp, something which can run mythtv?

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trumee:

most of them are androids

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wagnerrp:

load a full linux on any of those androids and theyll run mythtv just as well as a joggler

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trumee:

wagnerrp, not sure if the tablets can be loaded with linux

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wagnerrp:

this one is halfway interesting... http://store.microsoft.com/microsoft/EXOPC-Sl . . . uct/EC722AD1

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wagnerrp:

POS Atom and GMA 3150

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wagnerrp:

but backed by a broadcom decoder

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wagnerrp:

and 2GB of memory

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wagnerrp:

pricey though

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trumee:

wagnerrp, yes quite expensive

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if the tegra stuff supports VDPAU

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wagnerrp:

very similar, equivalently priced considering exchange rates... http://www.amazon.de/WeTab-Zoll-Tablet-PC-Blu . . . /B004DCAV3M/

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trumee:

wagnerrp, that runs meego iirc

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trumee:

wagnerrp, Meego + Mythtv would be very nice

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trumee:

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trumee:

so it is dirt cheap compared to tyablets

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wagnerrp:

i dare say £50 is below the manufacturing price

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: we really know you did it all for the kudos

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

if only you could have done it all for the cookie...

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wagnerrp:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWvJSJgrGNM

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[R]:

all for the cookie

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[R]:

yeah, the cookie

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[R]:

yeah, the cookie

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[R]:

so yo can take the nookie

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wagnerrp:

nookie? hey now, this is supposed to be a friendly channel

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[R]:

its a song...

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[R]:

and nookie can mean a barnes and nobles nook

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wagnerrp:

well no matter how much i like the roof being on fire, i cant sing it in the channel

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[R]:

the roof

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[R]:

the roof

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[R]:

the roof is on fire

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** wagnerrp wonders who is supposed to burn **

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Beirdo:

someone's father

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wagnerrp:

why so much hatred for the melon farmers?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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[R]:

melon farmers?

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[R]:

are those people who grow silicon?

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** [R] giggles **

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Beirdo:

no

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Beirdo:

that would be silicone

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[R]:

whatever

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[R]:

lol

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Beirdo:

there's a huge difference

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wagnerrp:

you dont 'farm silicon', you dig it up off a beach

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Beirdo:

pretty much

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sphery:

and then shock it into submission?

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sutula:

Does mythfrontend play dvd's these days, or does that need a plug-in? I know there used to be a myth-dvd plugin, but I don't see it any more in Debian.

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wagnerrp:

its part of mythvideo now

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sutula:

k, thanks much

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mianos:

where is the best place to run a script from when the frontend starts?

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wagnerrp:

write a wrapper around the mythfrontend executable

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[R]:

maybe we should call eminem

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[R]:

hes wraps

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[R]:

hehe

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[R]:

he wraps*

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wagnerrp:

thats what she said

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mianos:

maybe does mythfrontend change much?

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wagnerrp:

change much how?

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mianos:

I could just make my own local version

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mianos:

I am on .24+fixes ubuntu

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wagnerrp:

what exactly are you trying to achieve?

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mianos:

I have a little python deamon that uses the bindings to determine if I should exit the frontend

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mianos:

to save power

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mianos:

drops it back to mythwelcome

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mianos:

if no menus after a time of the playback not moving etc

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mianos:

I can also just run it as a system daemon

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mianos:

as it uses the myth python to connect like a remote

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wagnerrp:

best option would be to submit a patch to mythfrontend that would add a 'frontend idle' system event

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wagnerrp:

and then you could just have a small script that would execute when that event triggered, and would terminate the frontend

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mianos:

I actually asked that

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mianos:

but I guess the focus was to tell me off for using sockets

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wagnerrp:

eh?

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wagnerrp:

i seem to recall you were asking how to access the frontend control socket

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mianos:

yes

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wagnerrp:

and i made it a point to make sure you were using some form of raw socket, rather than telnet, to access it

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mianos:

no, but anyway, the python binding is actually easy

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mianos:

so using it, although it seems to be a very thin wrapper on python sockets

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mianos:

seem to be OK

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wagnerrp:

anyway, in mythbuntu, mythfronted is already a wrapper script around mythfrontend.real

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mianos:

yes

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mianos:

that's why I was asking

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mianos:

guess I can go to git and look at the changes

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wagnerrp:

you can add a line in that script to just call your daemon

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mianos:

if it never changes I'll add something little

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mianos:

yes

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wagnerrp:

but if you intend to make actual changes to mythfrontend itself

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wagnerrp:

the best way to do so would be to add a new system event that would track when the frontend went idle

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k-man:

what was the change to playback that has altered the

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k-man:

oops .... altered the "please wait" screen behaviour?

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Beirdo:

wow.

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Beirdo:

lots of crashy lately...

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Beirdo:

well, one more little fixola for the symbol vis stuff

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Beirdo:

I think I'll go eat

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k-man:

have you seen the Giada D2301? it might make a pretty good front end device: http://www.giadatech.com/index.php?app=produc . . . how&id=2

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k-man:

not sure of pricing though

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wagnerrp:

hahahahahaha

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wagnerrp:

#9606 wins ticket of the year

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[R]:

lol

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k-man:

why do people not upgrade?

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k-man:

i find it weird how people still use like .22

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mianos:

works ok for them?

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mianos:

or they like the PIP?

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k-man:

i suppose it works ok for them is a very common reason not to upgrade

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Stevezau:

ive setup my keymap for one of my frontends.. is it possibe to export them and import them into another frontend?

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wagnerrp:

k-man: i am wholly baffled by that device

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wagnerrp:

core i3/5/7 and 'next generation nvidia ion', all in the same box?

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wagnerrp:

that device is having an identity crisis

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mianos:

HM55 and ION?

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mianos:

what's wrong with that?

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wagnerrp:

you cant have an H55 chipset and an ION

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mianos:

why not, it's just a PCIX device

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wagnerrp:

ION specifically means the pairing of an nvidia 9400M or GT218M, and an Atom or Nano processor

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mianos:

it's does not use the intel bus

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wagnerrp:

its a system, not a graphics chip

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wagnerrp:

the 9400M or GT218M is the graphics chip

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wagnerrp:

the ION platform is the pairing

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k-man:

wagnerrp: so you think its a bit of hype and not a real product?

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wagnerrp:

k-man: i wont say its not a real product

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wagnerrp:

i will say its marketing people gone mad with buzzwords

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k-man:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

you cannot have an i3/5/7 processor in an ION system

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wagnerrp:

unless you have some weird abomination like that one DFI board

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wagnerrp:

which has a Core2 system and ION system combined on one motherboard

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mianos:

http://news.softpedia.com/news/NVIDIA-ION-2-M . . . 170604.shtml

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mianos:

maybe just read the press

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mianos:

softped has not cred

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mianos:

sorrt

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wagnerrp:

mianos: ION isnt a GPU

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wagnerrp:

its a platform

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wagnerrp:

the GT218M is a GPU

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mianos:

but it's on the IO2 chip no?

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wagnerrp:

no, the ION2 is not a chip

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wagnerrp:

it is a platform

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mianos:

there is aan ION2 chip, it's got a pcix controller, a HD audio controlelr and a GPU

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mianos:

on the same die

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wagnerrp:

that specific graphics chip, combined with a low power Atom or Nano

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mianos:

but because of the intel patent/bus problem it's not integrated

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mianos:

it's only on the io bus

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mianos:

I don't see why

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mianos:

but it seems possible

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wagnerrp:

the PCIe and audio controller are already provided by the Intel CPU

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mianos:

yes

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wagnerrp:

it would be foolish to add that right back in again

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mianos:

but they are also ont he ION chip

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mianos:

look at any atom/ion2 board

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mianos:

watch:

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mianos:

03:00.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation High Definition Audio Controller (rev a1)

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mianos:

00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)

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mianos:

so, foolish yes

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mianos:

00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family PCI Express Port 1 (rev 02)

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mianos:

05:00.0 PCI bridge: PLX Technology, Inc. PEX 8608 8-lane, 8-Port PCI Express Gen 2 (5.0 GT/s) Switch (rev ba)

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wagnerrp:

meh, im still bitter that they let marketing departments get hold of the original definition of 'ION', and stretch it so far there are 'ION graphics cards'

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** wagnerrp has a distaste for abusive marketing people **

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mianos:

yes, apon consideration, you are probably right about that

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mianos:

but all things considered, the ATOM/ION2 is not really integrated in a nomral way

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wagnerrp:

anyway k-man, that would be a pretty interesting system, definitely more worthwhile than an Atom combination

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jams:

mianos- it's a real system. I know somebody who has one and mine is on the way.

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k-man:

wagnerrp: interesting

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k-man:

i did a quick google for pricing of that machine but seems like there isn't any pricing yet

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jams:

oops that was meant for kman

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wagnerrp:

price?

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k-man:

jams: oh thats interesting

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k-man:

jams: did you get it with the blu-ray drive?

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jams:

k-man depends on the config but it's around the $600 mark

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wagnerrp:

thats not too bad

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jams:

i skipped the blu-ray but got the tuner

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k-man:

jams: where did you order it from? was that US$?

[04:00:24]

jams:

yes it's US

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k-man:

is myth able to use the tuner?

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jams:

it will be able to, right now it's a bit unstable or so i have heard

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jams:

they are working on making the drivers stable

[04:02:18]

jams:

k-man i got it from giada directly. In a few days I will probably put it out on the users list. Waiting on a few other emails.

[04:03:01]

wagnerrp:

id rather go for the i50 to be honest

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k-man:

wagnerrp: 150?

[04:03:32]

wagnerrp:

http://www.giadatech.com/index.php?app=produc . . . ow&id=44

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k-man:

what about a mac mini?

[04:03:49]

wagnerrp:

again, depends on the price

[04:04:01]

wagnerrp:

mac mini is around $700, bit much just for a frontend

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k-man:

you can get a used mac mini for around AU$500–600

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k-man:

yes, we get gouged here

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wagnerrp:

oh no, hes getting younger!

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mianos:

I just derived my idle checker from some daemon class and started it from rc2.d

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mianos:

works great

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mianos:

if I make it anymore complicated than the 20 lines I'll have a go at making it a system event source

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floppyears:

hi guys, I have an old mythtv system with an old db, I am getting ready to upgrade it to the latest 0.24-fixes

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floppyears:

if I want to start from scratch, can I just delete the db tables?

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floppyears:

I have already deleted all the old tv recordings from the file system

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[R]:

yup

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floppyears:

thanks [R]

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floppyears:

hi guys, I get the following error in my mythfrontend log DecoderGetFrame() called with NULL decoder. and right after that the mythfrontend crashes

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floppyears:

this happens when I attempt to watch live tv over the air

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floppyears:

:(

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beren:

:P

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wagnerrp:

storage groups are the mechanism by which mythtv shares files from the backend

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beren:

will mythmusic use storage groups?

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wagnerrp:

right now, recordings and mythvideo content are the only things using storage groups

[07:55:22]

wagnerrp:

hopefully, mythmusic will be migrated over to it before the 0.25 release

[07:55:37]

beren:

how will it function afterwards?

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wagnerrp:

that means your storage folders would be defined on the backend, and streamed to frontends over mythproto

[07:55:56]

wagnerrp:

rather than each frontend requiring NFS mounts for media access

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beren:

ahh

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wagnerrp:

when the backend is made the manager, that means the file scanner can be moved to the backend as well, and automated

[07:56:27]

beren:

so will the backend have some sort of mechanism for adding new content?

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wagnerrp:

now as to why your file scans would be taking so long....

[07:57:22]

wagnerrp:

the scanner simply trawls your filesystem, matching existing database entries up with files and file modification times

[07:57:39]

wagnerrp:

if it detects a new file, it will have to read the file to get ID3 information, and insert it into the database

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beren:

i didn't mean to suggest it was taking too long :P

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wagnerrp:

if it detects a file that has been modified more recently than is recorded in the database, it will similarly have to read the file to get ID3 information, and update it in the database

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wagnerrp:

if you are using samba to mount your content

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wagnerrp:

i believe there are some settings that will make the files appear as if they are always new

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wagnerrp:

meaning on each scan, you would have to repopulate all of that data

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beren:

I was using samba, but switch to NFS

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beren:

*ed

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wagnerrp:

otherwise, on normal operation

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wagnerrp:

i would expect it to take maybe a few seconds per thousand files

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beren:

how will storage directories function? will it require a manual scan or will the backend automatically find new content as it appears?

[08:01:03]

beren:

*storage groups

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wagnerrp:

recently added in 0.25 is a background scanner for mythvideo, although that is really intended more for the benefit of UPNP users who never run the frontend

[08:01:56]

wagnerrp:

anyway, when mythmusic gets migrated to storage groups

[08:02:12]

wagnerrp:

the mythmusic scanner will likely just be tied onto that existing timer

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wagnerrp:

and run.... i believe once every half hour is the default

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Beirdo:

oh what teh...

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beren:

a few times when I've attempted to run a full scan, I've actually had the backend halt

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Beirdo:

apt-get is giving me coredumps?!

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Beirdo:

this can NOT be good

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wagnerrp:

a mythmusic scan cannot cause the backend to halt (i dont think)

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wagnerrp:

since mythmusic currently only exists on the frontend

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beren:

mythvideo 0.24 I think

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wagnerrp:

there is no backend component to mythmusic for it to fault on

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beren:

not sure

[08:03:56]

wagnerrp:

mythmusic or mythvideo?

[08:03:58]

beren:

well rofl, hang on

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beren:

the machine with the content on it, halted, not backend :P

[08:04:24]

wagnerrp:

oh, you had a kernel panic?

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wagnerrp:

thats some bad juju there

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beren:

i cannot find any logs to suggest what happened

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wagnerrp:

but the machine stopped responding to any commands, local or network?

[08:05:10]

beren:

i only have the time that it occured and what i was doing on a seperate computer to cause it

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beren:

stopped responding to everything :P

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wagnerrp:

you couldnt ssh, you couldnt log in on the local terminal, no network pings, no nothing?

[08:06:14]

wagnerrp:

did you have a keyboard plugged in locally?

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beren:

unresponsive

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beren:

only a mouse

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wagnerrp:

well nevermind that....

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beren:

mouse was unresponsive :P

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beren:

screen was still on in a halted state

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wagnerrp:

the death rattle of a panicked kernel is the num-lock and scroll-lock lights blinking

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beren:

showing the exact time it had halted

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wagnerrp:

supposed to be an alternate indicator if for whatever reason it does not return to the primary terminal

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beren:

so most the time this had happened during a scan, but technically it has happened once whilst watching TV

[08:10:26]

beren:

the frontend basically was stuck with the same image, and went unresponsive as well

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beren:

the pc with the backend was restarted, and then the frontend i believe timed out eventually

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wagnerrp:

i think that should do it...

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: youre more knowledgeable about these things, was that right?

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** wagnerrp prefers the passive solution **

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Beirdo:

sorry, I was off smacking my ripper box around

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Beirdo:

yeah, it sounds about right.

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Beirdo:

I really should go to bed shortly :)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, ditto

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wagnerrp:

hmm...

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wagnerrp:

sometimes hes bob, zinc, or owl

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wagnerrp:

and the last couple times hes been tuna

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wagnerrp:

not to mention masked

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wagnerrp:

screw it, sleep time

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Beirdo:

if that doesn't help, we'll try again

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hashbang:

morning, all!

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banksy:

user with mythbuntu and nvidia here – need to downgrade the nvidia driver – how to stop machine from auto loading X first? Use a live CD to edit Xorg.conf?

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justinh:

#ubuntu maybe?

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deegan:

banksy: no need, just do ctrl+alt+f1 to access the first tty1, log in with your user and sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop. proceed with the downgrade, reboot the machine.

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banksy:

great. any tips on the actual downgrade – I am using https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates

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deegan:

banksy: no tips there, I use the nvidia tool from their website.

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deegan:

i think this becomes a matter of apt-get --get-selections

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deegan:

banksy: I had some stuff noted down from a rollback I did several years ago at work, anywho... You should be able to do something like "dpkg --get-selections nvidia* > nvidia-list" and then "dpkg --set-selections < nvidia-list" and finaly "apt-get -u dselect-upgrade"

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deegan:

very off-topic for this channel but I dont hang around in ##ubuntu.

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justinh:

so? I don't hang around in #apache either but I don't ask for help configuring a webserver here :P

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banksy:

yes you're right, but the SNR in #ubuntu is so bad. The only purpose for this machine is combined FE/BE so I figured I may get some clues

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deegan:

I've meet a few rabid OPS in my days. :)

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justinh:

that's not the fault of anybody in here :)

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deegan:

haha so right. :)

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banksy:

bugger after 10 mins just in tty (had run service stop gdm) it just froze again. didn't get to the nvidia removal either. maybe it's hardware related

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c0uldfusi0n:

hey

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c0uldfusi0n:

i got some problems with my tv card. can't seem to put it to work on my ubuntu box. can someone help me?

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justinh:

maybe

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justinh:

first of all, what tv card is it? make & model name/number

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justinh:

and what do you mean by 'can't seem to put it to work on my ubuntu box' ??

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** justinh stabs another person who yelled "GET A MAC" at him **

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veehexx:

just a quick one guys; does mythtv support dvb-s2 signals? i have linux drivers, and can get mythtv backend config to detect the card, but unable to scan channels...

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laga:

yes

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justinh:

psst! you need to enter the info for at least one transponder for scanning to work, you can't just set it off doing a full scan

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justinh:

yeah cheers

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justinh:

YW

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veehexx:

ok, thanks for that..

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veehexx:

although how do i find out what frequency i need to scan on?

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justinh:

lyngsat

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veehexx:

i know im on the astra 28.4 (??) satillite (i'm in the UK)

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justinh:

28.2, I think

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veehexx:

ah, sweet – thanks for that... i'll give it another go tonight. i do like the mythtv interface, windows 7 MC is a PITA. hopefully i'll get mythtv fully working tonight!

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BuggyDE:

try 11428000

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BuggyDE:

works for me

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veehexx:

i'll grab the freq. from MC tonight so i have them 100% definate. i also remember the Virtual/horizonatal frequency setting – how do i know which one to use?

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BuggyDE:

Polarity = Horizontal / H

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BuggyDE:

Symrate = 27500000

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BuggyDE:

I get all channels from that

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veehexx:

excellent :)

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darkdrgn2k3:

hey guys

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BuggyDE:

I know that on 0.23.1 I have to play around with the LNB settings

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darkdrgn2k3:

any idea why i loose audio when i restart X

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darkdrgn2k3:

i need to restart the WHOLE system to get it back

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BuggyDE:

also had to make sure that i set the right region

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BuggyDE:

Europe-west

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darkdrgn2k3:

dont see any errors in messages or myth or anything

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veehexx:

yeah, i know enough to scan, but thats about it on sat :S i need to learn it enough so i know what does what.

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darkdrgn2k3:

also i get

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darkdrgn2k3:

2011-02–19 23:09:37.388 VDPAU Error: Error at mythrender_vdpau.cpp:525 (#25, A catch-all error, used when no other error code applies.)

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darkdrgn2k3:

2011-02–19 23:09:37.388 VDPAU Error: Failed to create output surface.

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darkdrgn2k3:

when trying to play video

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BuggyDE:

just the UK channel listing is a total mess so it takes time to sort through them

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darkdrgn2k3:

trying a second time.. and sometimes 4–5 times will finally get it to work

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BuggyDE:

You should get at least 3 HD channels BBC HD, BBC one HD and ITV HD

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veehexx:

i'll cross that when i come to it – thanks buggy! 1 hour till hometime, so i'll start the mythbuntu install when i get home..

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BuggyDE:

yw

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BuggyDE:

this a a bit dated now but is a good start -> http://iwtf.net/2010/01/03/freesat-hd-mythtv- . . . 0%93-part-2/

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darkdrgn2k3:

so anyone? 2011-02–19 23:09:37.388 VDPAU Error: Error at mythrender_vdpau.cpp:525 (#25, A catch-all error, used when no other error code applies.)

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darkdrgn2k3:

2011-02–19 23:09:37.388 VDPAU Error: Failed to create output surface.

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BuggyDE:

how much ram does your video card have?

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darkdrgn2k3:

good question how do i find out w/p rebooting lol

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darkdrgn2k3:

02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C77 [GeForce 8200] (rev a2)

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darkdrgn2k3:

hmm that might be aprobloem

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darkdrgn2k3:

Memory at fd000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M]

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darkdrgn2k3:

Memory at d8000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=128M]

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darkdrgn2k3:

Memory at d6000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=32M]

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BuggyDE:

not sure in the cli but u can find it in the nividia-settings

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darkdrgn2k3:

i have a strange feeling its set to 128 :-S

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BuggyDE:

as far as i am aware you need at least 512MB for VDPAU

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BuggyDE:

ah oks

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darkdrgn2k3:

yeh that what i hear...

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darkdrgn2k3:

i wonder if that will fix my audio problem too

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BuggyDE:

if it is onboard u may just need to upgrade system memory

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darkdrgn2k3:

(seeing how the output it hdmi)

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darkdrgn2k3:

BuggyDE: i think i just need to change it in bios

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justinh:

virtual?

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BuggyDE:

yip first option lol

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justinh:

*vertical* not virtual ROFL

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kisak:

I have surround sound problems with my mythfrontend since upgrading to 0.24-fixes (from 0.23.1)

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BuggyDE:

I tried 0.24 for about 5days and then rolled back to 0.23.1

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BuggyDE:

most sound issues i had was cause i need to reset my output sound device in the front end

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kisak:

I get 2011-02–21 10:28:34.546 ALSA, Error: WriteAudio: buffer underrun about every 140 ms

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kisak:

when mythtv is set to use surround sound, all the channels jitter and you could hear the jitter bounce around the room

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BuggyDE:

try unticking the force 48kHz where u set your sound

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justinh:

go monish "Help! I need documentation on mythtv architecture & design". Sounds like "Help! Need to do mythtv stuff for the company I work for. DO MY JOB FOR ME!"

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kisak:

BuggyDE: it's not ticked to start with

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kisak:

sending stereo to ALSA:surround71 also jitters

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wagnerrp:

justinh: seems like hes an embedded programmer

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BuggyDE:

this happen after u upgraded to 0.24? or after applying any fixes?

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wagnerrp:

presumably wanting to develop some STB running MythTV

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wagnerrp:

http://in.linkedin.com/pub/monish-kumar/12/308/79a

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kisak:

after upgrading to 0.24-fixes

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kisak:

ahha!

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kisak:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/NGKWW0en mythtv isn't setting up the sound card buffer correctly

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wagnerrp:

do we do 7.1 audio?

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kisak:

there's no difference between 5.1 and 7.1

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kisak:

from the functional standpoint

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wagnerrp:

theres an extra two speakers, and some more interface parameters to set up

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BuggyDE:

permissions problem from the look of it

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BuggyDE:

seem to be affecting a few people

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kisak:

alright, I just set prealloc manually

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kisak:

that did it

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BuggyDE:

kwels

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kisak:

sudo tee?

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BuggyDE:

tee takes the ouput of the pervious command in dumps where u want it

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BuggyDE:

echo 128 | sudo tee /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/sub0/prealloc

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kisak:

alright, with the stereo upmixer activated, I get audio buffer overflows and VDPAU underruns

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kisak:

but that's ok, it's a secondary consideration

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GlemSom:

I've recently replaced my standalone mediecenter with a frontend+backend solution (backend is my old standalone)... I've mot most things figures out – though all my recordings seems to stutter when played on the frontend.

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GlemSom:

It's NFS mounted – so I could imagine that could give me problems ?

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GlemSom:

I see stuff like: RingBuf(/mnt/storage/1006_20110221182000.mpg): Waited 0.2 seconds for data

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GlemSom:

A quick dd test shows my backend can throw about 100mb/s out (on my 1GB LAN).. So.. I cannot figure out where my bottleneck is here? :/

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kisak:

mythtv doesn't need/use any remote file system, so NFS doesn't help or hinder the frontend

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GlemSom:

kisak, Well, I have xbmc on there too – so NFS mounting seemed to be the easiest solution..

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skd5aner:

2011 Endangered TV List -http://tv.ign.com/articles/114/1149292p1.html

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Sconk:

Any luck of getting a Elgaoto Hybrid work with mythtv on a mac mini ?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does not support any video capture APIs on OS X

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wagnerrp:

although it looks like the linuxtv project supports it under linux

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Sconk:

okay

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Sconk:

damm..

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wagnerrp:

actually, seems like its nothing more than a rebadged hauppauge tuner

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Sconk:

might be true, from what i have googled

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wagnerrp:

well thats f-ing retarded

[21:05:36]

wagnerrp:

windows 7 offers 'libraries', which allow you to clump types of content together, much like storage groups

[21:05:47]

wagnerrp:

but it requires library directories be indexed

[21:05:59]

wagnerrp:

and indexed directories require that they be available offline

[21:06:03]

squidly:

wagnerrp: yea..

[21:06:22]

wagnerrp:

so your big network file server must be duplicated on local hardware in order for you to use it with a library

[21:06:22]

squidly:

so they have to be coppied to you local box

[21:06:35]

wagnerrp:

whats the point?

[21:06:37]

squidly:

wagnerrp: and dont foget they like to recurse them selfs too

[21:06:45]

squidly:

wagnerrp: make you buy more hardware

[21:06:58]

wagnerrp:

but... windows doesnt sell that kind of hardware

[21:07:32]

squidly:

wagnerrp: I know..

[21:07:35]

wagnerrp:

maybe if they had sold hard drives, power supplies, and controller cards...

[21:07:45]

wagnerrp:

s/windows/microsoft/

[21:07:46]

squidly:

perhaps they are trying to push the windows home server crap

[21:09:17]

squidly:

but yea I have no idea what they are trying to do.. Well I did just have a thought.. They are in bed with the MPAA and RIAA.. perhaps they are tying to take over that work or something

[21:10:22]

wagnerrp:

no, microsoft only cares about their interests so far as it allows them to control a market, since linux cant bow to their needs and apple wont

[21:11:44]

wagnerrp:

hmm... WDTV Live Plus re-certified...

[21:11:53]

wagnerrp:

two for $105

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veehexx:

wagner – that librarys stuff aint true. i ahve my file server indexed on laptop...

[21:13:47]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, j-rod really likes those

[21:14:49]

wagnerrp:

veehexx: using the funky method where you symlink the share to a local drive?

[21:15:02]

veehexx:

nope... whats your file server OS?

[21:15:19]

wagnerrp:

bsd/samba34

[21:15:44]

veehexx:

ah. should of guessed it was linux :P not sure then.

[21:15:44]

wagnerrp:

so theyre really just limiting it to win7/win2k8 servers then....

[21:15:54]

wagnerrp:

what? im not using linux

[21:16:10]

veehexx:

i have server2008r2 as file server; you need to manually enable the search service on that, for clients to index files

[21:16:28]

veehexx:

whoopps – bsd :P

[21:16:38]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: the wdtv things?

[21:16:42]

veehexx:

sorry. i saw samba and presumed linux

[21:17:03]

wagnerrp:

well same difference, its the file server software that actually matters

[21:17:35]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, yeah

[21:17:48]

veehexx:

yeah, not sure what it needs for linux/bsd hosting :( if it were windows > windows then you just enable the search service and it works as expected.

[21:18:11]

kormoc:

who runs windows?

[21:18:12]

** kormoc blinks **

[21:18:39]

veehexx:

*cough*

[21:18:50]

** wagnerrp wonders what kormoc uses to play his monstrous Steam collection **

[21:19:01]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, OS X of course ;)

[21:19:14]

wagnerrp:

under wine?

[21:19:23]

veehexx:

ick. apple :( im not a fan.

[21:19:31]

wagnerrp:

or does all that crap actually have OSX clients?

[21:20:03]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, a fair bit of it is native OS X, aye

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, but I do boot camp, tho that's looking like I won't anymore. I'm not willing to shell out $500 for two copies of 7 to use all my hardware for games once in a while

[21:20:59]

veehexx:

< 1st time mythtv user; trying to get it setup.

[21:21:23]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: yeah, mine was... $7

[21:21:24]

wagnerrp:

:)

[21:22:35]

kormoc:

OS X Upgrade, $20 for two copies. Windows 7 upgrade, $500 for two copies... it's a rough pill

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, alas, I don't know anyone working at MS

[21:22:51]

kormoc:

which is amusing given I live in Seattle

[21:23:01]

justinh:

wish there was a legit way to try OSX on a regular non-mac

[21:23:11]

veehexx:

if linux had better support, i'd be using it!

[21:23:32]

justinh:

really like the idea of a competent OS I can run apps I can actually *use* & not pay through the nose

[21:23:35]

veehexx:

it doesnt like the new intel core-i gfx :(

[21:23:42]

wagnerrp:

im starting to wonder if my mail client is borked

[21:24:03]

wagnerrp:

two responses i made to threads today

[21:24:05]

kormoc:

veehexx, you just likely need to update kernel and gfs drivers

[21:24:19]

wagnerrp:

and on both, people responded to my address directly, and not the mailing list

[21:24:41]

veehexx:

na, been looking on forums; opensuse, ubuntu; best there is, is install the 915 drivers

[21:24:41]

justinh:

once Sony Vegas & Ableton Live run on linux I'll move right over :P

[21:24:42]

kormoc:

justinh, yeah, it'd be nice if it was more stand-alone, but I understand why they don't

[21:24:46]

veehexx:

but that doesnt fully work.

[21:25:09]

justinh:

kormoc: support issues probably

[21:25:21]

veehexx:

and im no where near compitent enough to even start looking into it.

[21:25:33]

wagnerrp:

no, i seem to have sent it to the right place

[21:25:39]

justinh:

heck they could even ship it to folks like me without warranty etc.. I'd be happy with that

[21:25:39]

kormoc:

justinh, totally. They fight enough with all the usb stuff, yet alone all the other cards and what not that is out there

[21:25:45]

wagnerrp:

other people are doing bad things

[21:26:24]

justinh:

what they want for their OS is well worth a gamble IMHO

[21:27:03]

kormoc:

I'm also so happy there's no copy protection hoops to jump though with OS X

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justinh:

I looked into it & I might just have to change my wireless card

[21:27:36]

kormoc:

need the installer on a usb stick? it'll work perfectly, want to toss it on a drive partition so you can boot to it to re-install? perfectly fine

[21:27:41]

wagnerrp:

justinh: basically, apple is all about image

[21:27:51]

wagnerrp:

they want to provide the image of an OS that 'just works'

[21:28:12]

justinh:

lol

[21:28:20]

wagnerrp:

and they achieve that by severely restricting the range of hardware it runs on

[21:28:27]

justinh:

I know a guy who's never away from the mac store

[21:28:43]

veehexx:

well im not having much luck with this mythtv setup!!

[21:28:48]

justinh:

the genii are always having to tinker with his machine

[21:28:51]

veehexx:

damn thing has just kicked me out of vnc

[21:29:12]

kormoc:

justinh, there are those folks who just can't leave things alone

[21:29:26]

kormoc:

don't edit the plist files without knowing what you're doing!

[21:29:29]

justinh:

might just buy a copy of OSX & fettle it

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wagnerrp:

you start letting people run OSX on untested hardware, and you end up with the support nightmare that is linux and windows

[21:30:11]

justinh:

y'know the more I think about this the more I want to do it

[21:30:20]

wagnerrp:

and then you start having people proclaim internet wide that OSX sucks because it doesnt work with X obscure motherboard or Y cheapo memory

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JEDIDIAH___:

You can do that well enough with USB devices. You don't even have to get into motherboards and expansion cards. Although memory is certainly still an issue.

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justinh:

wagnerrp: like people don't proclaim it sucks anyway? ;-)

[21:31:50]

JEDIDIAH___:

also, some mobos have "blessed" memory makes and models.

[21:32:26]

justinh:

I'd *love* to have a mac, but they don't do anything near my price point

[21:33:01]

kormoc:

yeah, they're a bit pricy right now

[21:33:11]

justinh:

then again they didn't get where they are today by making commodity items

[21:33:22]

kormoc:

it seems like they cycle, sometimes much closer to bare prices, sometimes much higher

[21:33:46]

kormoc:

justinh, when I bought my pro a few years ago, it was cheaper then buying the hardware itself

[21:33:49]

wagnerrp:

it will be interesting to see what happens if they end up losing their head of marketing

[21:34:01]

justinh:

I laughed when I read about them quashing the rumour about the iPhone nano.. saying 'smaller doesn't necessarily mean cheaper'

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** wagnerrp half expects bouts of hari kari among the devout **

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JEDIDIAH___:

that would be kind of traditional actually...

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kisak:

furi kuri?

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JEDIDIAH___:

that sounds more like vindaloo without proper preparation.

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wagnerrp:

kisak: well its similar to anime in that every dies at the end

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kormoc:

Current Mac Pro is about $1300 over base hardware costs it seems (for the base duel proc westmere model)

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wagnerrp:

JEDIDIAH___: alternatively, its when furies get stuck in their costumes, and have to cut their way out through the stomach

[21:42:09]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: im seeing $2500 for a single processor, $3500 for dual

[21:43:01]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, whoops, I thought the lower proc was the old Nehalem, and you're right, it's not

[21:43:25]

wagnerrp:

$1300 for a dual processor workstation would be a steal

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veehexx:

anyone have dual tuner on mythtv?

[21:44:45]

wagnerrp:

mythtv can handle as many tuners as you could reasonably throw at it

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veehexx:

i know... but im wondering on the actual setup of it...

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wagnerrp:

ive got a HDHomeRun, many people have HVR-2250s

[21:45:38]

veehexx:

i have dual tuener Satellite card, and wondering how i go about setting up the 2nd tuner; can i use the same channel scan data etc?

[21:47:01]

veehexx:

also, ther is something about grouping tuners... how do i go about setting that bit up? the guide i'm using mentions nothing on 2nd tuner setup.

[21:47:18]

JEDIDIAH___:

I have 4 tuners. 2 of which reside in a dual-tuner device.

[21:47:28]

wagnerrp:

the second tuner will show up as a second independent device in mythtv

[21:47:34]

kormoc:

$800 for the pair of cpus, $600 for the mobo, $84 for ram, ~$200 for a power supply. $1700ish for the hardware (case, drives, and optical drives I just don't count)

[21:47:36]

veehexx:

yep, i've got that far..

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, still, fairly over priced at $3500

[21:47:50]

wagnerrp:

input groups are for when you have two inputs that cannot be used simultaneously

[21:48:09]

wagnerrp:

for instance firewire and analog capture off a single cable box

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veehexx:

ahh, so my 2 tuners need to be set to 'generic'?

[21:48:20]

wagnerrp:

or a hybrid tuner that will do both analog and digital

[21:48:31]

veehexx:

(i can use both at the same time)

[21:48:34]

wagnerrp:

most times, you shouldnt touch the input groups stuff

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: you pay a surprising amount for that extra cache on the westmeres

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veehexx:

ok.. atm im just trying to configure 1 tuner. im sure it'll all fall into place once i have the 1st tuner working...

[21:50:21]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, well, 2 more cores + cache, aye

[21:50:46]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, I figure another 2 years or so, I'll get another top end mac pro. It's absurd, but this box is still enough for awhile

[21:51:24]

wagnerrp:

i mean the quad core westmeres are considerably more expensive than the quad core bloomfields

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kormoc:

ahh

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wagnerrp:

$390 for the 2.4GHz westmeres, only $315 for 3.06GHz Bloomfields

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wagnerrp:

although they are a smaller die, so considerably less power

[21:53:23]

wagnerrp:

and $600 for a board is awfully expensive, even for server gear

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, I picked the first one I found

[21:53:58]

wagnerrp:

most expensive one on newegg is only $590

[21:54:49]

kormoc:

which was the one I found first

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wagnerrp:

and thats for 12 DIMM slots, and 7 PCIe X16 2.0 (x8 electric) slots

[21:55:05]

kormoc:

so it's even more overpriced

[21:55:38]

wagnerrp:

well you do get a really clean, modular case

[21:58:28]

wagnerrp:

id probably pick up one of these if i wanted to build a comparable system... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163162

[21:59:23]

kormoc:

Sure, I love the design, but I'm at the break even point on my current mac pro, as tempting as the current model is, I rather wait and 'make' the money and upgrade later

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veehexx:

:'( 1 thing after another with this!!

[22:03:51]

veehexx:

ok, i have video :) however i am using HDMI from an ATI card for video+audio.

[22:04:03]

veehexx:

currently im using the open source ati driver from the initial install.

[22:04:16]

veehexx:

i guess i need to activate the ATI driver to get HDMI audio?

[22:04:40]

wagnerrp:

s/activate the ATI driver/replace with nvidia card/

[22:04:49]

wagnerrp:

s/to get HDMI audio//

[22:05:37]

veehexx:

i should of gone with nvidia in hindsight. ati was slightly cheaper, but didnt intend to use linux at the time.

[22:05:59]

veehexx:

problem is, when i activated the ati driver at install, it wouldnt boot; X crashed/hung.

[22:06:01]

kormoc:

afaik, there is no way to get hdmi audio with an ati card under linux at this time

[22:06:12]

veehexx:

*sigh*

[22:06:22]

veehexx:

i best look for nvidia card then!

[22:06:38]

wagnerrp:

veehexx: GT210s are available pretty cheaply

[22:06:48]

wagnerrp:

or a 430 if you want to bitstream HD audio

[22:07:02]

wagnerrp:

'cheaply' meaning $25-$30

[22:08:11]

veehexx:

yeah...

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veehexx:

not sure if i'd bitstream audio...

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veehexx:

so 210 would do it.

[22:09:10]

veehexx:

shame you cant get passive 210's, but ah well!

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wagnerrp:

sure you can, you can even get passive 240s

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kormoc:

veehexx, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127454R is just one out of a half dozen or so

[22:12:49]

veehexx:

shame you cant get them at my local place (plus im in the UK so newegg is no good :))

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kormoc:

Guess it's time to move then, eh?

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veehexx:

ehehe :)

[22:17:25]

veehexx:

might be inluck here; ATI have drivers for my card :)

[22:17:32]

veehexx:

...worth a punt i guess!

[22:19:17]

blizzard_:

guys, after upgrading the dist and to .24 my lircd has stopped working. I see the input with irw, and I have the ~/.mythtv/lircrc file still intact..

[22:19:25]

blizzard_:

could someone point me in the right direction?

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justinh:

why dist upgrade? :-O

[22:20:52]

blizzard_:

cuz I wanted the .24 package

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blizzard_:

and yes, it's a package... I know...

[22:21:22]

justinh:

not worth a dist upgrade IMHO. Ubuntu really bites you that way sometimes

[22:21:30]

blizzard_:

still, missing some kind of connection between mythtv and lircd atm..

[22:21:33]

blizzard_:

just: debian

[22:21:40]

justinh:

whatever

[22:21:50]

blizzard_:

and yes, worth it. helped me with getting the HD channels working

[22:21:50]

justinh:

so if irw works.. then it's some other problem

[22:22:13]

blizzard_:

ubuntu is usually a bit more triggerhappy on the packages

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blizzard_:

yes, is the lircrc vs irw input key sensitive?

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justinh:

irw shows you the output from lircd

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justinh:

i.e. what the app should see

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blizzard_:

yes

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justinh:

is mythfrontend able to use lirc? you should see a message about it when you start it

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blizzard_:

hm

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blizzard_:

havnt seen

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blizzard_:

should be in the logs rite?

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blizzard_:

oh

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blizzard_:

wait

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blizzard_:

lircd isnt started when mythfrontend is

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blizzard_:

lircd is currently started afterwards

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justinh:

bingo

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blizzard_:

one time check when starting frontend?

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justinh:

yup

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blizzard_:

okeee

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blizzard_:

just gonna figure out why the init script doesnt work then =)

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veehexx:

humm... thats weird.... install ati drivers = tv now in splitscreen mode with the picture displayed twice!

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SpeedEvil:

Hello all! I asked a while back if anyone had found a nice USB solution for DAB. (as used in the UK). At the time, there was some ancient discontinued psion device, and nothing else.

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SpeedEvil:

Has this changed?

[23:23:54]

SpeedEvil:

I have a DAB radio that's awesome physically, but sucks in the implementation. I was wondering if I could jam a teeny linux box inside it, and do better.

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skd5aner:

sphery: better yet, you should have told the guy that mythtvosd doesn't exist in trunk anymore :) http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/472694#472694

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skd5aner:

er, "master"

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k-man:

SpeedEvil: interesting idea, but why not just stream radio over wifi instead?

[23:48:06]

SpeedEvil:

k-man: I want a box that 'just works'.

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SpeedEvil:

DAB – pretty much – where I am, just works. Wifi would both need another box to actually do the receiving, and not work outside wifi range.

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k-man:

SpeedEvil: my quick googling turned this up: http://www.coolapplab.com/ultimate_computer_d . . . a/index.html

[23:50:05]

k-man:

SpeedEvil: and more links in this discussion: http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1193298

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k-man:

SpeedEvil: what country are you in?

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SpeedEvil:

UK

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k-man:

SpeedEvil: in Aus, they moved to DAB+, is it still DAB in the uk?

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SpeedEvil:

Yes.

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SpeedEvil:

:/

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k-man:

thats annoying

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SpeedEvil:

Yay 80K mp2!

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k-man:

why can't countries agree on standards and stick to them?

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SpeedEvil:

But, for the use I'm using it for, it's OK.

[23:51:41]

SpeedEvil:

It isn't as good as FM for a good receiver, which depresses me.

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SpeedEvil:

For an adequate receiver even

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k-man:

i wonder how well DAB[+] works in cars

[23:52:55]

SpeedEvil:

Argh – I forgot the major point of my visit.

[23:53:04]

SpeedEvil:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rqep6ICZS3A I was wondering about support for

[23:53:06]

SpeedEvil:

err – no

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SpeedEvil:

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/dvb-t-digital-tv . . . ab-dab-44326

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k-man:

SpeedEvil: http://www.digitalnow.com.au/product_pages/Dabby.html

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SpeedEvil:

ah

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k-man:

SpeedEvil: do you think a USB stick receiver could out perform your dedicated radio receiver?

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k-man:

my experience of DVB-T receivers is that they are pretty poor

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SpeedEvil:

With the appropriate small linux box inside the radio, possibly.

[23:55:17]

SpeedEvil:

The question of SNR is of course real.

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SpeedEvil:

As implementation often varies significantly in quality.

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SpeedEvil:

What I'm majorly looking for is to basically add stuff it can't do – timeshifting, playing mp3, ...

[23:56:27]

SpeedEvil:

The radio is physically great – waterproof, can drop a housebrick on it.

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k-man:

SpeedEvil: yeah, that would be my concern. i never managed to get good reception from cheap DVB-T devices, i ended up with an HDHomerun wich has been very good. it also solves the interference problem a bit by being away from the computer

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SpeedEvil:

It can be somewhat mitigated by it not being a 'normal' computer – and being much easier to shield.

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k-man:

oh, i thought the receiving was the issue

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SpeedEvil:

It is – the existing receiver is unfortunately really unsuited to hacking.

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k-man:

SpeedEvil: have you looked into software radio? there is a gnu project about that i think

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SpeedEvil:

Useless.

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SpeedEvil:

Effectively – it'll use around a dozen watts.

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SpeedEvil:

And need _lots_ of CPU.

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SpeedEvil:

SDR doesn't really work well if you need larger bandwidths, it gets expensive.

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k-man:

do i need to do anything special to move from .24-fixes to master? or just recompile and run?

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