Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, February 20th, 2011, 00:02 UTC

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kormoc:

[17424]

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MythLogBot:

SVN 17424: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythweb/commit/f47fb5c2

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kormoc:

vontrapp, channel.commmethod

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adub_:

anyone that is using hdmi sound could they tell me their settings in mythtv please i am still not having any luck trying a new video card i have audio working in everything else

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vontrapp:

ok, got it, thx

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adub_:

also what version of alsa i just upgraded to the latest and sound was garbled while playing the other things then i downgraded back to the latest stable

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adub_:

and got good sound again

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vontrapp:

how about timestretch? it says it was added version 40, but doesn't say when it was removed, but it is not in version 57

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vontrapp:

sorry, added version 18, not 40

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wagnerrp:

dont take the wiki as official documentation

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wagnerrp:

if its missing something, feel free to update it

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wagnerrp:

make that 'complete official documentation'

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adub_:

MediaMonitorUnix::AddDevice() – empty device path <----- would this coming up when running mythfrontend -v audio prevent me from getting audio

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adub_:

not really sure what it means or indicates

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adub_:

noting online indicates the msg is indicative of a problem

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adub_:

just seems like there could be given the msg

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kormoc:

it's a feature to detect when you put a dvd/cdrom into a drive. All it's saying is that you didn't configure a device for it to watch

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adub_:

annnnnnnnd SUCCESS!!!

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adub_:

basically tried 4 different cards and finally one worked

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adub_:

definitely quirky

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adub_:

a differnet model geforce 210

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adub_:

if i exit the frontend will my recordings still record now i finally get ot ask questions on usage, lol

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wagnerrp:

if they are scheduled recordings, and not livetv sessions, yes

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wagnerrp:

the backend does recordings whether you have a frontend running or not

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adub_:

cool i figured that is how it worked but wasnt 100% sure

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adub_:

i just pray my audio doesnt stop working all of a sudden man that was rough

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adub_:

i see where mythtv can play dvds

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adub_:

i haqve a blu-ray drive that seems to read dvds is there anything additional on setting this feature up

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vontrapp:

[6865]

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MythLogBot:

SVN 6865: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/240102c5 (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythweb/commit/e3720fda

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Unhelpful:

interestingly alsa appears to have a root-only interface that lets you fiddle with *all* of it, regardless of what's been comprehended by the driver at load and what it's presented as labeled mixer channels.

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Unhelpful:

wrong window, sorry. :/

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vontrapp:

[3988]

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MythLogBot:

SVN 3988: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/c5dbecde

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vontrapp:

I found what it was, version 18 added "timestretch" but near as I can tell, what was timestretch in 18 is now "playgroup" in 57

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vontrapp:

should I change the wiki to "added 'playgroup'" on the wiki?

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skd5aner:

vontrapp: huh? time stretch is still time stretch

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skd5aner:

playgroups allow you to set pre-determined settings (one of those being time stretch) on recordings within that playgroup on playback

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skd5aner:

that said, you used to be able to set default timestretch settings on a recording rule, but that was removed and set to playgroups. Mythweb didn't catch up with that change for a while, but both reflect that a default timestretch can not be applied to a recording rule – you'd have to use playback groups

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skd5aner:

not sure if that's what you were getting at?

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vontrapp:

skd5aner: yeah, that helps, so what version did it move timestretch into part of playgroup?

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vontrapp:

skd5aner: i'm talking specifically about the fields for programinfo in the network protocol

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Beirdo:

[23525]

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MythLogBot:

SVN 23525: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/3cc5fc84

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Beirdo:

OK, that CAN't be the latest ffmpeg sync

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Beirdo:

got it

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Beirdo:

this will be... interesting

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: have you looked through the backend server code at all?

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Beirdo:

not lately

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wagnerrp:

anyway... im thinking of doing away with MainServer() almost completely

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Beirdo:

I look over it in parts a lot, but never looked at it in detail (overall picture)

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Beirdo:

cool

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Beirdo:

Updating ffmpeg...

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Beirdo:

come on. Stop being slow

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wagnerrp:

put in a handler that lives in libmythbase

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wagnerrp:

so frontend and backend can both use it

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Beirdo:

cool

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wagnerrp:

get rid of the special upstream sockets in MythCoreContextPrivate

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Beirdo:

Updating ffmpeg

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Beirdo:

warning: no common commits

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Beirdo:

heheh

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wagnerrp:

and just store them as additional sockets in the handler

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Beirdo:

nace

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Beirdo:

nice, rather

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wagnerrp:

have something much smaller replace MainServer that just listens on 6543 and feeds inbound connections to the handler

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wagnerrp:

theres no real reason for the frontend and jobqueue to listen for connections

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wagnerrp:

but under the current setup, thats the only way they would be able to handle specific responses from the master backend upstream

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Beirdo:

only on the webserver/media-render server for the frontend

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Beirdo:

argh

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wagnerrp:

as it is, they are only set up to handle stuff preceded by BACKEND_MESSAGE

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Beirdo:

my backend jsut crapped?

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wagnerrp:

moving the handler into libmythbase, as part of gCoreContext is the only solution i can think of

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Beirdo:

#10 0x00007f4862b5e8fe in MythDownloadManager::downloadNow (this=0x420cba0, dlInfo=0x34521f0, deleteInfo=true) at mythdownloadmanager.cpp:659

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Beirdo:

niiiice

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wagnerrp:

there have been a couple problems arising from the download manager

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Beirdo:

seems that still isn't quite perfect, I guess

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Beirdo:

but the frontend caught my "save bookmark" just before it gave up :)

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Cydd:

hi beirdo

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Cydd:

I couldnt help but tell you how cute you looked today

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Beirdo:

Cydd: behave, or be gone, please

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Cydd:

my sincerest apologies

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: out of curiosity, why are the private objects in MythCoreContext and MythSystem both named 'd'?

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wagnerrp:

what is that short for?

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Beirdo:

data?

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Beirdo:

not sure, I just followed the crowd

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Beirdo:

could stand for doesntmatter

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

I guess it's nice and short, and works

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xtort-:

trust the guy with the beard

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Beirdo:

oh good god, let's hope this at least compiles :)

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Beirdo:

Makefile:243: /home/gjhurlbu/src/mythtv/mythtv/mythtv/tests/fate.mak: No such file or directory

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Beirdo:

haha.

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Beirdo:

crud

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Beirdo:

wonder why it did ../../tests

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Beirdo:

ooooh

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Beirdo:

hahah

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Beirdo:

let's try compiling using ffmpeg's config.h and config.mak first, shall we?

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sphery:

kormoc: In https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/commit/53ab35b88 , do you have any reason to believe that query.bindValue(":RECSTARTTS", _recstartts); (where _recstartts is a QDate) is sent to MySQL using the wrong format? If so, we need to submit a Qt patch because that's a huge bug in their Qt-MySQL drivers.

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sphery:

I can see query.prepare("UPDATE record SET last_delete = '0000-00–00 00:00:00' " (removing the T from the constant-value non-bound date) as helping, but if the Qt-MySQL drivers are passing the wrong format for QDates, that needs fixing in Qt (even if we have to work around their bug for a while)

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kormoc:

sphery, Good question. I'm running mysql 5.5 now on my MBE and just did a quick grep for [0–9]T[0–9] and modifying them. I'll enable the general query log and remove that one and see if it's actually making it to mysql that way

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kormoc:

sphery, and that patch is attached to #8585 as well, we'll just use it if you're using mysql-5.5 and the experiential use flag (You become my code slave! Muhahaha!)

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Beirdo:

heheh

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Beirdo:

he does it to me often enough :)

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FabriceMG:

Beirdo, I have make 1 patch for the frontend, What is the procedure?

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Beirdo:

make a ticket, attach the patch

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Beirdo:

that's the simplest

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FabriceMG:

ok

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Beirdo:

come ON, ffmpeg.

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FabriceMG:

i have added in frontend, sort by description

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FabriceMG:

in XMLTV, I add "Season ## Episod ##/##" in first line of description

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FabriceMG:

now , with that, I have real sort episod for series

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nicholas__:

reposted from #mythtv: As part of my upgrade to 0.24 I decided to fully refresh my dvb-t and dvb-s channels, as they've changed a lot since I last updated my table. I deleted all channels with mythtv-setup and rescanned. Now though, it says "Card x is set to start on channel y, which does not exist." Where can I update the start channel?

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nicholas__:

The google-suggestion is to delete all sources and cards and start again :-/

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nicholas__:

ah, maybe I could have just updated cardinput.startchan column

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paul-h_:

nicholas__: you can set the start channel on the Input Connections page of mythtv-setup

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nicholas__:

thanks paul-h

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judget:

getting the mnessage could not connect to master backend server. is this a mysql issue ?

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judget:

in other words is this a mysql login issue?

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judget:

or it it a myth tv login issue?

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nicholas__:

after truncating dtv_multiplex and rescanning channels, networkid for my dvb-s is still NULL. Maybe that's ok, as live tv watching seems happy.

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clever:

judget: it means the master mythbackend isnt running

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judget:

ok thanks

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judget:

however could it also be that the mysql login is not working therefore the master backend is not running because of that?

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judget:

well anyway my sql logins are all set so im not sure why the mythbackend is not running

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laga:

... look at the log?

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judget:

how can i stop the mythtv client it keeps trying to start and i cant do anything else that way

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judget:

well this is great that the myth fronend is so persistant but how can i stop it from constantlky restarting until In can get it configured

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laga:

are you using mythbuntu?

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judget:

yea my backend server is mythbuntu

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judget:

i also have a front end on my ubuntu studio client

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judget:

im a dumb confused newbee

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laga:

and the restarting occurs on the ubuntu studio client?

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judget:

both

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laga:

if you use mythbuntu-control-centre to enable the autostart, you can also disable it there

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judget:

i get noUpnp and then it restarts

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judget:

ok i have ther control center open on the client and am loking at startup behavior

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judget:

automatically start is unchecked

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judget:

but wehere is the place to prevent autorestart

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judget:

it is doing the fronend crashed and will restart thing

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laga:

can you exit the frontend regularly, using the escape key?

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judget:

yes then it restarts by itself

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laga:

sounds like a bug. just log out and back in, now that you have unchecked automatic start, it should not start. or kill the process

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judget:

well it was uncehcked

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judget:

but i can logout but the problem is that on my backend server it is doing the same thing so i cannot get anything else done to try to config it

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laga:

i have no clue what broke there, sorry. ask in #ubuntu-mythtv – sounds like a bug on their part

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judget:

well anyway i think i got the backend server to stop autostarting

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judget:

also i got to paste my logs to pastebin

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judget:

http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/ECGLpyRN

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judget:

let me repaset just the backend log prolly too much info in that pastebin

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judget:

http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/rzwKD86c

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judget:

thats just my backend logs

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hilarie:

I don't full understand codecs or anything like that, but would it be possible to use something like this to take the load of the cpu in mythtv? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . o-_-15131010

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wagnerrp:

hilarie: assuming that thing even works on linux, mythtv has no support for such a device

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wagnerrp:

you may be able to use an external encoder program that uses it

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wagnerrp:

but only for post-recording transcoding

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hilarie:

Yeah, was coming to that conclusion myself heh, It was really a great moment when I saw it was mac only...

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wagnerrp:

for what its worth, the only real reason to transcode your recordings would be for playback support on some limited device

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wagnerrp:

like an iphone or something

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wagnerrp:

a hardware encoder such as this might swing the balance otherwise

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wagnerrp:

but at least using software encoding

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wagnerrp:

you would be better off just buying new hard drives

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wagnerrp:

compared to the personal and CPU time spent transcoding recordings to h264

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pyther:

Hello

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pyther:

I'm looking for an analog (S-Video + Composite) capture card

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pyther:

is there a list of supported analog cards?

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pyther:

I know many of hte hauppauge don't have analog support

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trumee:

pyther, pvr-150 ?

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judget:

in a mythbuntu server where are the video devices? in my ubuntu studio they are /dev/video*

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pyther:

trumee: anything that I can get on the market? That appears to be discountinued

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trumee:

pyther, might find it on fleabay

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hilarie:

Wagnerrp Thank you for the suggestions, I am working on building my next desktop and just wanted to make sure my mythtv wouldn't use to many of my system resources

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pyther:

I got to buy new

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cleith:

Hello

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trumee:

pyther, my HVR1110 has svideo input

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pyther:

trumee: does it work?

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trumee:

pyther, yes it does

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pyther:

trumee: is that a pal card?

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trumee:

pyther, yes

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pyther:

ahh should hav mentioned I need a NTSC card

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trumee:

pyther, there must be something for NTSC too, HVR1100?

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pyther:

trumee: does it have dual-tuners?

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trumee:

pyther, no

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pyther:

there is a 1250 but that is about it :-/

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wagnerrp:

pyther: are you NA or europe?

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pyther:

I'm in NA

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wagnerrp:

HVR-1600 or HVR-2250 both have analog support in linux

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pyther:

which is better, they have very similar price points

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wagnerrp:

although the 2250 will either need to be built from the v4l-dvb repository, or you need a very recent kernel

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pyther:

ahh then the 1600 might be better

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wagnerrp:

the 1600 is a dual tuner (one analog, one digital)

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wagnerrp:

the 2250 is a dual hybrid tuner (two tuners capable of either)

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pyther:

wagnerrp: I just don't like that the 1600 has rca inputs

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pyther:

wagnerrp: I don't care much about the tuners, I'm actually gonna use it to stream video from a camera

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trumee:

wagnerrp, is 2250 fully supported?

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wagnerrp:

trumee: yes

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wagnerrp:

pyther: cant use firewire? or maybe one of those HDMI capture cards?

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wagnerrp:

or pick up a USB webcam

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pyther:

wagnerrp: usb webcam won't give the quality they (work) wants

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pyther:

and isn't there a relatively short length on firewire cables?

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pyther:

I think they might want to stream tv too

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sphery:

nicholas__: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 or if you want to try with what you have, use the starting channel in mythtv-setup's Input Connections screen

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wagnerrp:

a nice usb webcam will give better quality than youre going to get over composite video

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pyther:

wagnerrp: the 1600 has a /dev/video device, yes?

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wagnerrp:

yes, it does

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pyther:

I work at a school and they want to do "live" announcments and part of the "experience" is to have an actual camera on a tripod

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wagnerrp:

pyther: this is only for direct playback? not recording?

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pyther:

wagnerrp: yes direct playback over a multicast stream

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pyther:

they may want to record at some point in time though

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wagnerrp:

multicast... so recording

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wagnerrp:

nevermind then

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sphery:

kormoc: cool... BTW, thanks for the work on it. If I get a chance I may do up a slightly modified patch for you to look at (that removes all the .toString()'s for QDateTimes and includes a #ifdef'ed out MSqlQuery::bindValue(QString, QDateTime) that does the .toString() (then you could enable that other function with a different use flag, like ITriedMySQL55WithoutThisFlagAndItDidntWork)

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sphery:

kormoc: oh, and I will likely just push the fixes to things like the 0000-00–00T00:00:00

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sphery:

kormoc: when you say you grepped for [0–9]T[0–9], you mean in the MySQL logs or something (since the bindValue(QString, QDateTime) calls don't have that)

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sphery:

oh, and I'll do up a quick little Qt test program for you, that you can use to try bindValue with a QDateTime :)

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kmrs75:

help Basic IRC Commands

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trumee:

how well is hauppauge 5500 supported. looks like a very nice card

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pillar:

what would be a good motherboard for a htpc, I would need two pci slots for the receivers and it doesn't seem to be commonplace in small mb's

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judget:

how can I delet a storage group in mythTV such as /var/lib/mythtv/recordings?

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judget:

I have a Brooktree BT878 video controller but I do not see any /dev/video* listings are video devices listed somewhere else in mythbuntu?

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GreyFoxx:

try /dev/v4l/* or /dev/v4l2/*

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wagnerrp:

trumee: 5500? never heard of such a thing

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wagnerrp:

odd, i see press shots for it, but no information for it on their website

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wagnerrp:

judget: you delete folder definitions with 'd'

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wagnerrp:

and you should scrap your brooktree card, and purchase an MPEG encoder

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trumee:

wagnerrp, i have a pvr-500 card. is it possible to connect one stb via the RF connector and the second stb via composite?

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trumee:

wagnerrp, i want to connect two stbd to this card

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wagnerrp:

trumee: why not just connect both STBs to svideo?

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trumee:

wagnerrp, the stb doesnt have a svideo out.

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wagnerrp:

then connect both to composite

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trumee:

wagnerrp, only RF/composite output

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trumee:

wagnerrp, how can i connect 2 stb to one composite? i want to use the dual tuner functionality

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wagnerrp:

if youre pulling off a STB, you dont want to use a tuner

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wagnerrp:

composite will give you better quality than running through the STB's modulator

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trumee:

wagnerrp, fair enough. but pvr-500 has one composite input. how do i connect the second stb

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wagnerrp:

you connect one STB to the first composite input on the card, and the second STB to the second composite input on the card

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wagnerrp:

the card does have two independent inputs after all

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trumee:

wagnerrp, no the card has only 1 composite input

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wagnerrp:

you see those two white headers on the back of the card

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wagnerrp:

they can be used with daughter cards to directly access the encoders

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wagnerrp:

one of them will have come with the card to provide inputs to the second encoder

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trumee:

wagnerrp, i bought cards from ebay and dont have any daughter cards :(

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wagnerrp:

well then either get in contact with the seller and try to get the daughter card

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wagnerrp:

or order a new one from hauppauge

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wagnerrp:

they still sell them on their online store

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trumee:

wagnerrp, UK?

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wagnerrp:

http://www.hauppauge.eu//boutique_us/fiche_pr . . . us&num=0

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trumee:

wagnerrp, awesome.

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trumee:

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trumee:

wagnerrp, why there are two headers?

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wagnerrp:

because there are two encoders

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trumee:

wagnerrp, but my card already has one svideo. With 2 headers, i could have 3 svideo?

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wagnerrp:

possibly

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wagnerrp:

my 150s report five video inputs each

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wagnerrp:

the tuner, two composite, and two svideo

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wagnerrp:

you can only use one at a time, but it will internally switch between them as desired

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trumee:

wagnerrp, ah i see. so they are redundant inputs

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trumee:

wagnerrp, is composite input better than RF?

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tyrion-mx:

is it possible to have a mythtv-frontend without a mysqld on the same machine?

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[R]:

tyrion-mx: you only need 1 mysqld somewhere on the network

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wagnerrp:

tyrion-mx: you only have one shared mysql server, regardless of how many machines you have mythtv running on

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wagnerrp:

if you have more than one, you screwed up

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tyrion-mx:

ok, thank you

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wagnerrp:

trumee: the problem is that the RF modulators in STBs are cheap crap

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trumee:

wagnerrp, i see. so it is not the issue with RF input of pvr-500 rather a problem of stb

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trumee:

wagnerrp, are there any other cards which have dual analog tuners?

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wagnerrp:

HVR-2250

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trumee:

wagnerrp, right. thanks

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wagnerrp:

in your case, it would be a 2200

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trumee:

wagnerrp, cheers

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tyrion-mx:

I have mythbuntu (backend+frontend) running in virtualbox, and now I am trying to connect to the backend from another frontend

[17:03:03]

tyrion-mx:

I started mythfrontend and then set the hostname/password of the db, but it can't connect

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[R]:

sounds like its a vbox networking issue

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wagnerrp:

yeah, avoid virtualization, just run your backend directly on the hardware

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tyrion-mx:

(I took the user/pass for the db from .mythtv/mysql.txt on the backend)

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tyrion-mx:

does the mysql server listen by default on all interfaces?

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[R]:

depends on how your dist set it up

[17:05:49]

[R]:

but like i said

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[R]:

it sounds like a vbox networking issue

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trumee:

wagnerrp, Pvr-500 is better for me that 2200 since the later doesnt have fm radio

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tyrion-mx:

I don't think it's a networking issue, because I can ssh into the backend server

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[R]:

you shoudn't be runing a backend in vbox to begin with

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blizzard_:

guys, I've upgraded to 0.24

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blizzard_:

none of the channels work ne more, and the log is filled with the following which might be the problem:

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blizzard_:

2011-02–20 18:53:38.598 DVBChan(1:/dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend0) Warning: Unsupported modulation parameter.

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blizzard_:

2011-02–20 18:52:30.970 Program #8090 not found in PAT!

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blizzard_:

do I need to rescan or what should I do?

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trumee:

wagnerrp, is there any other card with dual analog tuners except hauppauge?

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wagnerrp:

trumee: hauppauge is just about the only manufacturer which still produces hardware encoder cards

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wagnerrp:

avermedia might have one or two, but i dont know about their support in linux

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wagnerrp:

if youre doing recording, you want a hardware encoder card

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trumee:

wagnerrp, there was somebody called black gold or something

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wagnerrp:

blackmagic?

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trumee:

wagnerrp, dont remember at all

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wagnerrp:

there is a 'black gold technology' that produces tuner cards, but i dont know if they do hardware encoders for analog

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wagnerrp:

and blackmagic is designed more for professional video editing

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trumee:

wagnerrp, right.

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trumee:

wagnerrp, seems they have hardware encoder, http://shop.blackgold.tv/epages/BT3159.sf/en_ . . . ucts/BGT3500

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iamlindoro:

Now you're just a linux driver away from using it!

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wagnerrp:

now you just need to find linux drivers

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trumee:

:)

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iamlindoro:

s/find/write/

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wagnerrp:

s/write/demand/

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** trumee is going to stick with hauppauge **

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Digdilem:

i have an avermedia 771/777 that 'just works' fine in linux, but don't know any other models and it's pretty old

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trumee:

Digdilem, analog input?

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iamlindoro:

Which is neither a hardware encoder nor a dual analog tuner

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wagnerrp:

meaning it 'just works' poorly?

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trumee:

ah. ok!

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Digdilem:

trumee, dvb-t

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Digdilem:

just pointing out that avermedia drivers /do/ exist in linux and they're not a total black hole

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wagnerrp:

but if youre doing analog recording, you want a hardware encoder

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iamlindoro:

But what does that have to do with his request for a) a hardware encoder, and b) a dual analog tuner?

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wagnerrp:

which pretty much limits you to hauppauge products

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iamlindoro:

Nobody even cast aspersions about Avermedia

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Digdilem:

fair enough wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

there are a handful of other cards that are supported by the IVTV driver, including one or two avermedia cards, as mentioned

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wagnerrp:

but they are far and few between

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wagnerrp:

and no longer manufactured

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wagnerrp:

besides which, didnt hauppauge buy avermedia?

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iamlindoro:

they bought pinnacle

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wagnerrp:

i thought someone bought avermedia

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iamlindoro:

could be, but I didn't think Haupp had

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[R]:

iamlindoro: did you see the post on -users about "Something changed with themes ??"

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[R]:

iamlindoro: i noticed the same problem

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kormoc:

sphery, sounds great! the grep was on the output from mythbackend with -v database. I figured the bind values it had were the ones being passed to the database, but I didn't confirm.

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ptriller:

Hi, my xmltv is acting up, in the xmltv file ihave the entry <title>Stieg Larsson: Vergebung</title><sub-title>Millennium</sub-title> <episode-num system="onscreen">1</episode-num> and <title>Stieg Larsson: Vergebung</title> <sub-title>Millennium</sub-title> <episode-num system="onscreen">2</episode-num>, and I cant mythtv get to record both. I am using 0.24

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[R]:

whats your recording rule?

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[R]:

whats the duplicate rule set to?

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ptriller:

Subtitle then Description, that seems wrong, should I set it to "None" ?

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[R]:

i dunno, try playing wit hti and see what happens

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ptriller:

ok, with "None" it records both, thats good, thanks. The only problem left is that it doesn't display the episode number anywhere, but for now I can live with that.

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[R]:

when you are on the recorded list

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[R]:

you can hit i

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[R]:

and it shows it there

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ptriller:

hmm, I dont find it, but thanks

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bcgrown:

aloha

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bcgrown:

anyone here using analog surround sound on their mythbox?

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bcgrown:

like intel alc887 by any chance

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bcgrown:

("HDA Intel")

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[R]:

analog? lol

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bcgrown:

[R]: don't have a receiver, but I do have a bunch of speakers :)

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bcgrown:

the audio device scan detects a device ALSA:surround40, but it says "Device supports up to 2.0" at the bottom

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tyrion-mx:

How can I make the mythbackend listen on all interfaces?

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tyrion-mx:

putting 0.0.0.0 in the backend setup doesn't seem to work

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wagnerrp:

no, it wouldnt

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wagnerrp:

that IP address is stored in the database, so clients know what address to use to connect to the backend

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does not support split networks

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wagnerrp:

if you intend to operate one, you will need to set up a machine as a router to route packets to it

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wagnerrp:

or set the necessary routes in the system routing table manually

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tyrion-mx:

ok, thank you :)

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MNichie:

I trying to decide whether to switch from Windows/WMC to Ubuntu/Mythtv. Does anybody know if mythtv can stream to a xbox 360?

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MNichie:

anybody?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv has a upnp server, but does not provide any special support for the xbox360

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wagnerrp:

if the xbox can support mpeg2 video, and ac3 audio, in an mpeg2 ts container, over upnp, then youre golden

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MNichie:

thats what I keep reading, I can't find anyone saying online that they actually got it to work though

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MNichie:

Apparently the 360 will only support mpeg2 through WMC

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wagnerrp:

if not, shame on microsoft for producing at video playback device that does not support the upnp client standard, and the ATSC video standard

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wagnerrp:

as i understand it, the xbox360 only supports microsoft's specially tweaked form of mpeg2 ts

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wagnerrp:

meaning shame on micrsoft for intentionally gimping support

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MNichie:

:/ I guess a HTPC would be my only option to get support in my living room then

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wagnerrp:

a lot of people seem to like the WDTV devices

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wagnerrp:

but yes, anything less than a full PC running the official frontend is going to be rather restricted in capability

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wagnerrp:

note that the PC does not have to be in the same room

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wagnerrp:

you could run the wires through the floor or wall into another room

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wagnerrp:

so size or noise doesnt matter

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bcgrown:

anybody know how to make my Intel HDA rear channels work? they don't even show up in alsamixer

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bcgrown:

speakertest gives output on the front but not rear channels

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trumee:

bcgrown, speakertest is that an alsa utility?

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bcgrown:

trumee: ya: http://linux.die.net/man/1/speaker-test

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trumee:

bcgrown, thanks

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bcgrown:

the chipset identifies as ALC887, if that helps. It's an Asus P5QPL-AM motherboard

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bcgrown:

i've tried adding snd-hda-intel model=(lots of different ones) to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf but none of the ones i tried worked

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bcgrown:

any ideas?

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bcgrown:

guess that's a no?

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blizzard_:

Question: When doing channel scan (dvb-s), why do I get conflicting channels when I dont have any previous channels? "how" are they conflicting, and with what?

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justinh:

nobody knows

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justinh:

but there's a temporary table in the db which the scanner uses – so it likely gets the impression there are repeated channels that way.. IF that's what conflicting means

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blizzard_:

ok

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iamlindoro:

you get conflicting channels in MPEG/DVB systems when the transportid and serviceid match on more than one found channels

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blizzard_:

iam: is that what will happen if a channel changes frequence within the same transport?

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iamlindoro:

So in reality there *is* a conflict in what was found-- in that more than one transponder has advertised the tuning data for the same channel

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iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

There is probably some deductive reasoning that could be added to help "flatten" channels in the above scenario, but it's not a bug, just a usability issue

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blizzard_:

mm

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iamlindoro:

alternately, if you're running .23, especially very old .23, it could be a bug that has since been fixed, by me

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blizzard_:

I've upgraded from 0.23 to 0.24 and cant get the channels working ne more =(

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blizzard_:

deleted all channels as of having problems with APT something and logs recommended "a rescan"

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justinh:

ah so that's what 'conflicting' means

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blizzard_:

now I dont get ne channels working instead, and alot of conflicting ones =)

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iamlindoro:

justinh, Can also mean a conflict with an existing DB channel, but in the case of a fresh DB, it can only be the above

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blizzard_:

its not really fresh

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iamlindoro:

There's nothing wrong with a conflicting channel, that just means that you have to wade through them and rename them

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justinh:

generally when DVB users need to scan though it's because stuff has moved around – which doesn't necessarily preclude PIDs/SIDs being reused

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blizzard_:

its a used db with a fresh channels table =)

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iamlindoro:

they're still workingg channels

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iamlindoro:

The very fact that you have conflicting channels means you have working channels

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iamlindoro:

you're just not doing the right thing with what's found

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justinh:

isn't there a temp scanning table it uses too though?

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justinh:

channelscan*

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iamlindoro:

justinh, channel scanner DB code is a headache and a half-- it way well be, it's just not the source of something being labeled a conflict

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blizzard_:

iam: thats what I think as well

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blizzard_:

just cleared all cards and redoing the config

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blizzard_:

but now it cant tune ne transports... <sigh>

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iamlindoro:

"any"

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iamlindoro:

it's just one more letter

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iamlindoro:

and makes you seem like a grownup

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justinh:

oh man if this darn baby monitor keeps up this buzzing it's going in the bin

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iamlindoro:

and doesn't burn my brain like a hot poker

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justinh:

gah.. Tomy, you evil sods.. tri wing screws?!?!?!??!

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justinh:

why the hell does a baby monitor need security screws holding it together? :-O

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: clm dwn b4 u git n nurism

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bcgrown:

justinh: http://www.mcmaster.com/#=b4an9p :)

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wagnerrp:

cool kids take the english language over a barrel!

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SweTV:

Does anyone know when I can expect 0.24.1? I am having all sorts of issues with the stock 0.24.

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SweTV:

According to the roadmap it is 7 weeks late....

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iamlindoro:

We have no immediate plans to release a .24.1

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iamlindoro:

anything milestoned .24.1 would be in that release *if* we released one

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wagnerrp:

the only reason we would have to release a 0.24.1 would be if there were a backported fix that required a protocol or schema update

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SweTV:

Are you going straight to 0.25?

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, just update to .24-fixes

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wagnerrp:

thats likely to be the case

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iamlindoro:

which will have everything that .24.1 would have

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iamlindoro:

nobody should run release-day *anything* of MythTV

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iamlindoro:

everyone should be tracking -fixes

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SweTV:

I am tracking the fixes. Historically, upgrades have been smooth as silk but 0.23–0.24 causes crashed and lots of stability issues..

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SweTV:

Anyways, thanks for the feedback.

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iamlindoro:

if you are tracking fixes, then you have everything that would be in a .24.1

[20:44:30]

iamlindoro:

we're not holding out on you

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SweTV:

hehe

[20:44:47]

iamlindoro:

if you are having crashes, open tickets with proper backtraces

[20:44:59]

iamlindoro:

but we can't fix issues which aren't reported

[20:45:45]

SweTV:

I know I should but collecting all the logs required for a proper ticket usually consumes more time than upgrading to latest fixes svn/git.

[20:45:54]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: dont lie, we know youre holding out the good arclight backgrounds from us

[20:45:55]

wagnerrp:

:)

[20:46:25]

iamlindoro:

SweTV, Thenif whatever your issues are aren't fixed, we can't help you

[20:46:27]

blizzard_:

arclight backgrounds? =)

[20:46:27]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, heh

[20:46:39]

SweTV:

I am a few weeks back. I will get the latest version and post a ticket if it does not help

[20:47:05]

iamlindoro:

remember, any ticket that involves a crash *must* have a proper backtrace with debug symbols

[20:47:26]

iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging

[20:47:28]

wagnerrp:

and when it says 'attach the version output as a file', it means 'as a file'

[20:47:36]

SweTV:

I am very well aware of that yes

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wagnerrp:

so many people seem to struggle with that one

[20:47:50]

iamlindoro:

well aware of the protocol, just unwilling to open tickets :P

[20:48:01]

SweTV:

yes. you got me.

[20:49:15]

blizzard_:

lycka till =)

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SweTV:

While I have your attention, is the removel of Sync to OpenGL not supposed to make a difference? I have horrible tearing no matter what I do since it was removed in 0.24. It has long been the only option for me as usleep just do not work..

[20:50:50]

SweTV:

Tack. :)

[20:51:35]

SweTV:

I was sad to see you gave up on making it work.

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TrevorBradley:

Hey everyone. I'm considering getting an ATSC card for my mythbackend and I'm not certain which card is the best choice. Any pointers?

[20:58:50]

TrevorBradley:

I've been using a Hauppauge PVR150 for the longest time with my cable provider and like the brand.

[20:58:52]

wagnerrp:

what kind of slots do you have?

[20:59:20]

iamlindoro:

Well that's a personal question

[20:59:22]

TrevorBradley:

Let's see... I think I have PCI and PCI-e 1x slots available.. not sure about the 1x though (may not fit)

[20:59:28]

wagnerrp:

do you intend to continue using it with cable? or actually do ATSC (broadcast)?

[20:59:35]

TrevorBradley:

The wiki page was vague too.. :)

[20:59:39]

TrevorBradley:

Just with ATSC.

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xtort-:

This one works well for me: 02:08.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01)

[20:59:53]

xtort-:

let me look to see what model that is, its a hauppage something

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wagnerrp:

xtort-: that is not an ATSC tuner

[21:00:15]

TrevorBradley:

1600 was the earliest supported, and I presume it has the best support, but it's not clear to me if the other cards have caught up driver-wise.

[21:00:30]

iamlindoro:

1600 was far from the earliest supported ATSC card

[21:00:38]

iamlindoro:

1600 is a very late comer

[21:00:40]

TrevorBradley:

(well, for hauppauge at least)

[21:00:42]

TrevorBradley:

Hmm

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xtort-:

its not? its a hvr-1500

[21:00:56]

TrevorBradley:

(thus my confusion, perhaps)

[21:01:18]

TrevorBradley:

Basically I'm looking for A) best bang for buck, B) No hassles with drivers, C) Good quality

[21:01:18]

wagnerrp:

xtort-: no, the CX23416 chip is not an ATSC tuner

[21:01:23]

iamlindoro:

Hauppauge HVR-1250, HDHomeRun, KWorld 110, 115, 120, PcHDTV HD-5500, all are widely used and liked

[21:01:26]

wagnerrp:

it is an MPEG encoder for analog

[21:01:37]

wagnerrp:

further, the HVR-1500 is not capable of ATSC tuning either

[21:01:42]

wagnerrp:

it is a DVB card

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xtort-:

I plug my antenna into it, and it records... I must be confused about what ATSC is

[21:02:06]

wagnerrp:

hmm... seems it is ATSC

[21:02:14]

wagnerrp:

i thought that number was one of the DVB blend

[21:02:37]

iamlindoro:

it is, however, an expresscard

[21:02:41]

TrevorBradley:

I basically need to add antenna and go. (I'm not too averse to whacking away at drivers if I know it will work... but I've done this before with the PVR150 and it's a hassle)

[21:02:43]

iamlindoro:

which makes it useless for most people

[21:03:14]

xtort-:

TrevorBradley, hvr-1500 then is what I would recommend. Just add firmware files, and you are set

[21:03:20]

iamlindoro:

Any of the above are supported out of the box in any modern distro

[21:03:26]

xtort-:

The dual tuner might be overkill for ya though

[21:03:41]

wagnerrp:

xtort-: but hes not using a laptop, meaning he cant use expresscard without an expensive adapter card

[21:03:46]

xtort-:

dude...

[21:03:51]

xtort-:

its not a pcmcia card...

[21:03:58]

wagnerrp:

correct, its an expresscard

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** TrevorBradley isn't encoraged by googling "Hauppauge 1250 mythtv" and finding people struggling with the card.... **

[21:04:04]

iamlindoro:

an HVR-1500 is an expresscard

[21:04:06]

xtort-:

its pci

[21:04:06]

iamlindoro:

http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr1500.html

[21:04:13]

iamlindoro:

then you don't have an HVR-1500

[21:04:37]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: probably, considering the -1500 is a framegrabber, and doesnt have an mpeg encoder chip

[21:04:45]

xtort-:

damn, i'm just going to shut up, my brain is wrecked

[21:04:47]

xtort-:

its a 1600

[21:04:53]

** xtort- pours a drink **

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iamlindoro:

TrevorBradley, People will struggle with every card. People are morons. You asked for what is supported out of the box.

[21:04:55]

xtort-:

my bad

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iamlindoro:

The HVR-1250 and HDHomeRun don't even need firmware-- they're as idiotproof as it comes

[21:05:24]

iamlindoro:

but then people go making a better idiot

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[R]:

lol

[21:05:29]

wagnerrp:

yeah, ive had one of each for over two years now

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wagnerrp:

and neither has given be a bit of troubl

[21:05:34]

TrevorBradley:

Fair enough. And the 1250 runs about $55, so I'm happy if it works.

[21:05:36]

wagnerrp:

ee

[21:05:44]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Hey wait a second, I have two HDHR's – are you calling me an idiot? ;-)

[21:05:54]

iamlindoro:

only if you can't make them work

[21:05:54]

TrevorBradley:

Hell, I've managed to get the PVR-150's blaster working with Linux.. it was a mighty pain but as long as it works I'm good.

[21:06:24]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: nah, they're bulletproof... ;-)

[21:07:21]

TrevorBradley:

I'll need to triple check to make sure the 1x slot is available...

[21:07:37]

TrevorBradley:

1250 it is then.. thanks folks. :)

[21:07:50]

wagnerrp:

you can pretty frequently find an HDHR for <$100 these days

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wagnerrp:

making it one of the cheaper tuners

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iamlindoro:

^^ And that's even cheaper tper-tuner

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wagnerrp:

with the bonus feature that you can stuff it up in your attic next to your antenna

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TrevorBradley:

1250's are $52CDN at my local awesome shop.

[21:08:25]

J-e-f-f-A:

TrevorBradley: You can use a 1x card in a 4x 8x or 16x slot, it'll just run at 1x speed.

[21:08:26]

wagnerrp:

and not have to run a big long antenna lead

[21:09:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: I would do that, but I was concerned about summer temps...

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TrevorBradley:

My cable company has already run coax from my computer room into the attic.. so if I cancel cable I can just cut their connection and connect it to an antenna... should be easy in theory.

[21:18:06]

TrevorBradley:

later folks!

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: who is eric smith?

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wagnerrp:

or can any user remove the 'infoneeded' tag?

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kormoc:

any user can 'provide' info, aye

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wagnerrp:

ah, just saw some name i didnt recognize change status on a ticket

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wagnerrp:

i was confused

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blizzard_:

When scanning a satellite, is it enough to just scan one of the frequencies to get all channels?

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blizzard_:

I always thought I had to scan it all, but now I got alot of hits on one freq and checked the channels and think I got more or less all on that satellite...

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iamlindoro:

a well engineered satellite (paired with a decent scan app) requires only a single starting frequency

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iamlindoro:

if one transponder on your satellite advertises the entire network, then scanning that single transport is adequate

[21:49:34]

iamlindoro:

If your sat were less well engineered, or if you were using the .22 or less version of the MythTV scanner, you might well have had to scan each transport

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, I don't know him, but sounds like yeah, any user can set to info no longer needed-- that happened in a trac upgrade about six months ago and I complained but got no support

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blizzard_:

iam: explains it, good work!

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iamlindoro:

That bit is the work of janne, stuarta, and daniel, but you are welcome nonetheless :)

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blizzard_:

=)

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sphery:

kormoc: Ah, that makes sense. The -v database outputs the QDateTime values in a string, so they get toString()ed, so you'd see the wrong-format in the logs. Looking at the Qt-MySQL code, though, all looks good--it's sending bound QDateTimes as MYSQL_TIME types, so no string conversion occurs.

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sphery:

kormoc: I'm going to use your patch as a key for finding the real bad values and I'll push that change tonight (if all goes well).

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kormoc:

sphery, sounds great!

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sphery:

good... just didn't want to mess up your ebuild without giving you some warning

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sphery:

should be easy enough to update the ebuild after--I'll also give you an alternative "just in case" patch

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kormoc:

Mess away! Anyone running +experimental knows the risks :)

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kormoc:

sphery, I replaced a few :ONEHOURAGO with NOW() – INTERVAL 1 HOUR, I'm assuming that's okay but not overly sure

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Beirdo:

glad to hear you guys have a start on that :)

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Beirdo:

I ran out of energy at 5am trying to merge our changes into the latest ffmpeg :)

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kormoc:

Beirdo, I upgraded to mysql 5.5 so sorta had to ;)

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sphery:

seems Brighthouse doesn't want me to see this conversation

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sphery:

ah, actually, not much to it

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sphery:

and I got it all--just way delayed

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sphery:

oh, except ONEHOURAGO... glad for logs

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kormoc:

weird

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sphery:

having connectivity issues

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sphery:

:)

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Beirdo:

kormoc: ahhh, gotcha. Well between the two of you, you should get it :)

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trumee:

is there any HowTo on capture card priority?

[23:11:06]

[R]:

the documetnation

[23:11:27]

trumee:

[R], tx

[23:11:32]

** [R] just shakes his head **

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sphery:

section 12

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-12.html

[23:14:10]

sphery:

and, the short story is, "don't ever use input priority, because it doesn't do what you think it does"

[23:14:42]

sphery:

trumee: ^^^

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trumee:

sphery, why?

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sphery:

there's only one priority, and it tells MythTV which shows to record

[23:15:43]

sphery:

it does not tell MythTV where to record shows

[23:16:08]

sphery:

setting an input priority will sometimes affect where to record shows, but will always affect whether to record shows

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sphery:

chances are you can do what you really want, but without input priorities

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trumee:

sphery, can i specify use cardA over cardB if possible for recordings and live tv.

[23:17:10]

sphery:

but I'd need to know what you want and why to tell you how to do so

[23:17:23]

sphery:

yep, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

[23:17:39]

trumee:

sphery, also for recordings prefer cardA over cardB

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trumee:

sphery, recordings should have higher priority to grab CardA than Livetv

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sphery:

do the capture card portion (which won't affect channels or video sources), then define your capture cards and connect inputs in the order you want inputs used for recordings

[23:20:27]

trumee:

sphery, right

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blizzard_:

YEY; LUB YA GUYS!!!! =) .24 finally made my HD channels come to life =P

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trumee:

sphery, and i should set the "input priority" in the card setup?

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trumee:

s/should/shouldnt

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sphery:

should be zero

[23:24:02]

blizzard_:

QUESTION: does Mythtv work with a multiswitch? and/or is the multiswitch transparent?

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trumee:

Input priority — in the "mythtv-setup" program, the "Input Connections" section allows you to add additional priority in the "Input priority". This is simply another priority factor but has an interesting effect. If a card input has a higher value than the other cards, the scheduler will see that you would rather record showings of episodes on this input rather than a showing on other inputs.

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sphery:

trumee: you need to read /all/ of section 12 of the howto if you want to use it

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sphery:

when done, you'll realize you don't want to use it :)

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trumee:

sphery, i see. the shortcut is what you suggested?

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sphery:

the proper configuration is what I suggested, and after reading all of section 12, you'll agree :)

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sphery:

so, yeah, shortcut--just configure as I mentioned :)

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knightr:

sphery, Hi! Long time no chat... When you mentionned that there were other CPU/motherboard combinations with similar power consumption as Atoms, what were you thinking about (I know about the Mac mini but that's about twice the price)?

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sphery:

knightr: see, for example, the links at the bottom of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/448321#448321

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sphery:

knightr: note that an Atom-based system will likely idle at 20–30W and will run full-power at like 25–35W--there's almost no power savings when not under load

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sphery:

knightr: A nice Core 2 Duo system can idle at around the same power usage as the Atom and actually has headroom when you need it

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knightr:

sphery, thanks! apparently a lot of the problem there is the chipset...Atoms have their utility but I need something with a little more power...

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sphery:

Or, you can get fancy and build a system witha Core 2 Duo Mobile, and get it to idle at the same 10W as the Mac Mini

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knightr:

sphery: a Core 2 Duo takes that little power?

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sphery:

the Mac Mini is a Core 2 Duo Mobile

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sphery:

i.e. a laptop CPU

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sphery:

that's how it idles at 10W

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knightr:

sphery: if not Mac mini, is that cpu available elsewhere?

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sphery:

(10W system... CPU is lower)

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sphery:

I've never tried to find parts for one, but was thinking wagnerrp mentioned that you can get the CPU and mobos for it

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sphery:

cpus are definitely available... 25W or 35W TDP (will idle /much/ lower)

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sphery:

but much of the reasont hat the mac mini is expensive is because Intel charges a fortune for their CPUs--and even more for their mobile CPUs

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sphery:

so, trying to build your own Mac-Mini-alike, will likely cost in the neighborhood of what the Mac Mini costs

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knightr:

hmm, definitely interesting... I guess I'll have to inquire at my favorite online computer store...

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knightr:

ah nice... :(

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knightr:

sphery, thanks! I'll let you know if I find anything interesting...

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sphery:

good luck

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knightr:

sphery, thanks! I think I'm gonna need it... ttyl

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trumee:

sphery, i have a direct cable connection (RF input) on one card and a svideo input via stb on a second card. Both inputs share some of the channels. Is it possible in Myth to setup channel numbers which can go to either of these?

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trumee:

sphery, i am going to use ir-blaster for the second card. The first card is going to be tuned by myth itself.

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sphery:

trumee: you need a separate video source for each, but just give the channels that are the same on both video sources the same channel callsign and channel number

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trumee:

sphery, right. thanks

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