Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, February 18th, 2011, 00:05 UTC

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wagnerrp:

momelod: correct, if the rest of your system is set up to use pulseaudio, it will have no audio while mythtv has suspended pulse to connect to alsa directly

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wagnerrp:

momelod: pulseaudio does not provide any hardware support, so any system using it must provide OSS or ALSA as a backend

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wagnerrp:

since pulseaudio does not, and will never, support bitstreaming, its generally best to git rid of pulseaudio completely on media center systems

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wagnerrp:

especially if you have any intention of using digitallllllllllll audio

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momelod:

yes, im tired of fighting w/ pulseaudio. what should I use in it's place?

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wagnerrp:

nothing, just remove it

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wagnerrp:

as i explained, pulseaudio does not have any hardware support

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wagnerrp:

so if you are using pulse, you must also have some other usable system layered underneath it

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momelod:

so in my case alsa is already there and I just configure everything to use alsa. thanks

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Guest25981:

1. I tried to rip a dvd, everything went ok until I tried to access it from the video menu, to see that it wasn't there, But I did find the video on the UpnP server with VLC, it was in the video file but in a sub-file called videoroot. All of the storage groups seem to be ok. I cant figure out why it keeps putting my video in videoroot. What should I do to access my videos?

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wagnerrp:

the UPNP server does not use storage groups, but rather the local folder definitions

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wagnerrp:

if you want content to show up in mythvideo, you will need to scan for new content

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wagnerrp:

see the 'm' menu

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Guest25981:

where do you find that

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wagnerrp:

in mythvideo

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Guest25981:

just press m

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wagnerrp:

just press m, and select 'scan for content'

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Guest25981:

let me try that brb

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Guest25981:

i only have the optical disks menu and when i hit m all that came up was the system menu with about and cancel as options

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Guest25981:

didnt see scan

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wagnerrp:

were you in mythvideo when you hit 'm'?

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Guest25981:

is that in the frontend, if so i didnt see it

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wagnerrp:

you said the video didnt show up on the frontend?

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Guest25981:

yes

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wagnerrp:

where were you looking for the video?

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Guest25981:

yes

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Guest25981:

i found it in vlc

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wagnerrp:

you said you did not find it in mythfrontend

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Guest25981:

in a sub folder

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wagnerrp:

where were you looking for it?

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Guest25981:

on the video tab

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Guest25981:

in recordings

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wagnerrp:

there is no video tab in recordings

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wagnerrp:

the recordings screen is for recordings, not arbitrary videos

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wagnerrp:

mythvideo (the plugin for arbitrary videos) is accessible through 'media library' --> 'watch videos'

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wagnerrp:

that is where you need to be to play back mythvideo content

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wagnerrp:

that is where you need to be to scan for new content

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Guest25981:

i mean the media library

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Guest25981:

i tried that

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Guest25981:

shouldnt it scan at startup?

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wagnerrp:

the only reason it should need to scan automatically is for the UPNP server, for users who dont run a frontend

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wagnerrp:

for everyone else, manually triggering a scan is a trivial few seconds, compared to the several hour task of ripping/transcoding a dvd

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Guest25981:

it worked this time thank you very much!

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kormoc:

Jesus... Mr. Skin feature request...

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wagnerrp:

is that someone asking for a porn grabber for mythnetvision?

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kormoc:

They want to be able to download the information so you can map keys on your remote to 'jump to next Mr. Skin point'

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wagnerrp:

where is this request?

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wagnerrp:

it wouldnt be hard, use single frame commercials to mark the jump points

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jhatch:

Greetings

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jhatch:

I have a strange mythfrontend problem that I'd like some input on.

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jhatch:

Using mythvideo to play mp4 files works *most* of the time, but every so often playback ability either stops completely for some of them, or the video plays and there is no audio. I can of course choose to play it with mplayer and it works. After a restart of the frontend it seems to start working again for a while. Also, not every mp4 file is affected, some still work fine.

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jhatch:

Looked in the log but didn't see much that would indicate the reason why

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jhatch:

I'm on .23 but I also ran into this on .24 when i briefly had it installed.

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: theyre talking about the 5th element? theres all of three scenes and what... 6 seconds?

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kormoc:

yeah...

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bcgrown:

sup people

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tgm4883:

hmm

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tgm4883:

elmojo, who was helping us with the hdpvr issue where it stopped recording?

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tgm4883:

someone sent us a patch on that, but I don't recognize the anme

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tgm4883:

I ask, since the issue is happening right now and I'll test something if it's needed

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bcgrown:

is anyone able to seek in the flowplayer on mythtv 0.24-fixes?

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tgm4883:

I'm unable to do a 'cat /dev/video0 > testvid.mpg' on it

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bcgrown:

i get the light blue that shows the video has buffered (i think?), but when i try to skip ahead it just stalls with a buffering circle thingy

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elmojo:

tgm4883: that would be jpabq

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tgm4883:

elmojo, thanks

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tgm4883:

jpabq, if you're around^^

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tgm4883:

I hadn't actually implemented your patch yet

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tgm4883:

but if there is anything you wanted me to do or check while the issue is currently happening, i can do that now

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tgm4883:

I have nothing set to schedule on that tuner until tomorrow, and even then it's not anything important so I'll leave it in this state for now. ping me or shoot me an email when you are around

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bcgrown:

hrmm.. seems to just be shows that are still recording. guess i won't watch hockey then

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bcgrown:

:(

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abqjp:

tgm4883, That patch attempts to "reset" the HD-PVR by switch from the component input (or whatever you are using) to the s-video (or whatever you are not using) and then back. You might be able to attempt that from the command line if you have the v4l2-ctl tool installed: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/HDPVR

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tgm4883:

abqjp, that I can test, thanks

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abqjp:

tgm4883, I actually don't have that tool installed, so I am not sure how to tell it to do that....

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tgm4883:

I think i have done similar in the past with the pvr150

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awalls:

v4l2-ctl -I

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awalls:

Iirc

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awalls:

v4l2-ctl --help

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awalls:

v4l2-ctl -i <input number>

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tgm4883:

yea, and looks like throwing a device in there too

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tgm4883:

v4l2-ctl --device=/dev/video0

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abqjp:

awalls, thanks. I believe component is input 0 and s-video is input 1

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tgm4883:

the patch appears to just do a -1 then a +1, so i'm assuming i can query what it is currently on

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awalls:

Device defaults to /dev/video0 if not specified

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abqjp:

tgm4883, Right. It queries and if the current input is 0 it does a +1, if it is >0 it does a -1 instead. Then the opposite to get back

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tgm4883:

ah

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** tgm4883 wonders why postfix gets installed if you install ivtv-utils **

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abqjp:

tgm4883, if changing the video input does not help, you could try changing the audio input instead.

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tgm4883:

I'll test both

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tgm4883:

I'm thinking neither might work though

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tgm4883:

trying to cat the file I get

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tgm4883:

cat: write error: Bad address

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abqjp:

That would not surprise me. There is just no way to power cycle or properly reset the HD-PVR via software.

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awalls:

Write error?

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tgm4883:

awalls, yea, from running "cat /dev/video0 > testvid.ts"

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tgm4883:

ok, ivtv-utils installed, i'll try changing the modes now

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elmojo:

tgm4883: does lsusb show the device – just wondering if the usb interface is still functional

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jrgill:

does anyone by change have a Philips 30PW9100D? according to this i can do 1080i, but i'm having no luck even w/ this exact modeline. http://pastebin.com/71axfHbf

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tgm4883:

Bus 001 Device 002: ID 2040:4902 Hauppauge

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adub:

will hdmi sound play analog sound

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tgm4883:

I'm guessing thats what it said before, I don't recall

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adub:

i have bought a new graphics card hooked up hdmi to the monitor that has integreted speakers no sound yet again although just like the other graphics card when i play sound it acts as if everything is ok and sound is working but i hear no sound

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jrgill:

adub: i have a converter for that. i think it needs to be processed from analog to digital.

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adub:

mannn jrgill if this is all i have been needing

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adub:

i did not know that

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adub:

so you have to have a convertor

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adub:

like a cable that is capable of doing digital and analog sound

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tgm4883:

no go, can't change video input

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tgm4883:

VIDIOC_S_INPUT: failed: Connection timed out

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jrgill:

well in my case im taking analog video from my pc and they included an analog audio port. i wanted to use just a vga to hdmi adapter, but i needed a special output and not just a change in cable.

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jrgill:

im using this: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp . . . amp;format=2

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awalls:

v4l2-ctl --log-status ?

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abqjp:

tgm4883, not surprised, but it is a bummer.

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jrgill:

tried it on my plasma and it works great. cheapest one out there i think. they have usb hdmi and vga to hdmi like this all around $100. just having a hard time w/ this particular philips tv.

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tgm4883:

abqjp, VIDIOC_LOG_STATUS: failed: Invalid argument

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tgm4883:

I can list the available inputs though

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awalls:

Guess the driver doesn't support log status

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: amazing how people think "attach" means "paste"

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adub:

so my hdmi sound on my video card will not work for my analog sound stuff?

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tgm4883:

There isn't anything in dmesg lately regarding the hdpvr, i wonder if bumping up the debug value would help

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jrgill:

oh youre going digital to analog huh

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abqjp:

tgm4883, elmojo there is still a very small prayer that the patch might work, since it combines the input switch with some stop/start encoding commands. Very small, though.

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adub:

ya

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jrgill:

yeah, you need a digital audio converter

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adub:

hte ONLY sound ii have is hdmi

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adub:

i disabled the onboard ssound

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adub:

so hdmi sound will not do analog like my computer sound

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jrgill:

i think those are usually spdif to 3.5. there are probably ones with hdmi input or an hdmi to spdif cable you could buy.

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jrgill:

an analog renderer just cant use it.

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adub:

that would explain why no sound before

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adub:

and no sound now

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adub:

so if i popped in a bluray i woould get sound

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adub:

as long as i tell the ap to use the digital sound

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abqjp:

adub what are you hooking up that needs analog sound?

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adub:

my mythtv analog channels

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adub:

also my operating system and youtube im not getting any sound

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adub:

so i am asssuming the hdmi cable will not please these

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jrgill:

oh this is a software issue

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adub:

i have onboard sound but i disabled it

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abqjp:

Does you video card support sound via HDMI? Is it something like a nVidia 220?

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adub:

yes

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adub:

i have an hdmi cable not sure if it matters which end i use

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adub:

its plugged in i verified connnection

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adub:

i havee been battling this for 3 days straight nearly nonstop

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abqjp:

then you just need to tell myth to send sound via the HDMI. As long as your TV or receiver understands HDMI audio, it should work fine.

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awalls:

tgm4883: v4l2-ctl -L

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adub:

i just formatted went out bought this card at least this card will allow me to installl ubuntu 10.10 the other would not

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awalls:

Maybe twiddling some controls might wake it up

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adub:

will my operating system sounds work via hdmi like playing mp3s

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tgm4883:

awalls, http://pastebin.com/sADNQ68X

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jrgill:

maybe you just dont have hdmi set as default?

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adub:

hdmi is the only video

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adub:

except for hvr 1600

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adub:

ya its the only output listed

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adub:

should it play my operating system sound and youtube

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adub:

or is this analog stuff

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abqjp:

adub, for things like youtube (flash audio), you will probably need something like http://mythtv.pastebin.com/M1xBwuiK in your /etc/asound.conf file, to tell the system in general to route sound via your HDMI

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adub:

under sound preferences and output tab

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awalls:

So does something simple like changing the contrast work?

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abqjp:

awalls, While the HD-PVR wiki talks about the contrast/saturation type controls, they don't actually DO anything with the hdpvr driver

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awalls:

Oh.

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adub:

going to reboot just installed the restricted driver

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adub:

is there a script in order to get the hdmi sound to play via analog

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abqjp:

adub, That pcm "hw:0,7" bit would probably take some experimentation. You would need to play with the various things that "aplay -l" returns as options.

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elmojo:

abqjp: so the HD-PVR has start/stop encoding commands but no reset command?

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abqjp:

elmojo, correct.

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elmojo:

I wonder if it's just not implemented in the driver yet

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abqjp:

elmojo, could be. jannau wrote the driver, and I have never spent much time analyzing it.

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elmojo:

did he have an NDA and access to the design/programming spec

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abqjp:

elmojo, realize that hauppauge could not tell us how to talk to that device. To write the driver jannau had to snoop the usb bus under Windows to figure out what commands the Windows driver was using to make the HD-PVR dance.

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awalls:

I just checked the driver source.

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elmojo:

ah, that's not cool

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awalls:

Setting contrast appears to try and send a usb command

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abqjp:

hauppauge wanted to help us out, but they were not allowed to by an agreement they had with the primary chip manufacturer.

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abqjp:

awalls, really? Interesting that it does not have any affect.

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awalls:

It should be useful enough for a comms check.

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tgm4883:

Anything else we want me to test here?

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awalls:

Abqjp: I'm looking at things on my phone so looking up source code is painful atm

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abqjp:

tgm4883, unless awalls sees something interesting in the driver code, I don't think so.

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adub:

abqjp thanks for the insight so the hdmi sound will play the operating system sounds

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elmojo:

abqjp: it might be possible to ask Hauppauge if they can ask the chip manufacturer the process for resetting the device/chip

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abqjp:

awalls, It is not worth that kind of pain to work on this now! Sounds like you know enough about such drivers to give us a code review though. If you do come up with anything let me know and I can try it out.

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elmojo:

abqjp: do you know what chip is used in the HD-PVR?

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adub:

wow finally it works did nothing special other than buy a new card and after downloading the restricted drivers youtube + OS sounds working

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adub:

time to install mythtv

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abqjp:

elmojo, I want to say that it is an ambrella or some such. iamlindoro would know — he took the cover off his.

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elmojo:

abqjp: I'm surprised some form of reset isn't issued when the driver first initializes the device

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elmojo:

tgm4883: could you try unloading the hdpvr module and then reloading to see if you can then get those commands to work?

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tgm4883:

elmojo, I would, but i just reset it like 5 minutes ago

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elmojo:

no worries

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abqjp:

elmojo, https://forums.sagetv.com/forums/showthread.p . . . ;postcount=4

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abqjp:

elmojo, I almost had it right. It is Ambarella instead of Ambrella

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elmojo:

cool, thanks for the info

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elmojo:

abqjp: I still wonder how your recordings can have such messed up timestamps yet I haven't heard anyone else with the issue

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Beirdo:

he must be talented :)

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abqjp:

elmojo, I flashed my 0x15 with 0x12 and have not had a problem since. I have not upgraded since you committed a fix, but I still have a "bad" file to test with, once I do.

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abqjp:

elmojo, I think I just had an epiphany.

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abqjp:

elmojo, I take it back about not having a problem since. I just went and checked the recording since last night. I do have two shows with issues. I check the backend logs and discovered "Error: Poll giving up" followed by a "encoding stop" / "encoding start". I am betting those poll errors line-up with the timecode resets.

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abqjp:

My newer (rev E1) HD-PVR seems to work without problem. My older (rev c2) unit seems to have that problem occasionally.

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sphery:

wagnerrp: "Me and Abed have an agreement. If one of us dies, we're going to stage it to look like a suicide caused by the unjust cancellation of Firefly. We're gonna get that show back on the air, buddy."

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[R]:

firefly was ok

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[R]:

i don't know why everyone makes such a big deal out of it

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abqjp:

sphery, but nathan fillion it too old now. Besides, I really like Castle.

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sphery:

heh, I have to start watching Castle

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sphery:

looks like I only lost 7 of them in the HDD failure

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sphery:

out of 3 seasons, I can probably figure out that much

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elmojo:

abqjp: ah, yes that would explain it for sure

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abqjp:

HDD failures are no fun. I have one drive that bounces between "1 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors" and reporting it is okay. However it still says I have 0 relocated sectors.

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sphery:

weird

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sphery:

the bad part is I saw errors about 2 weeks before the failure--but while busy with something else--then forgot about it

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sphery:

so I should have been able to save everything

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sphery:

or at least most of it

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abqjp:

sphery, it is one of WD's RE4-GP drives, so not cheap. Yet, I can't really say the drive is bad....

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sphery:

maybe I'll have to start Castle as my next series. A lot of people have said good things about it.

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abqjp:

elmojo, soooo, I wonder if you could use the timecodes, but detect when it jumps backwards and compensate somehow?

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abqjp:

Castle is one of my favorites.

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Guest25981:

does anyone know what the white plug in the back of the pchd 5500 is for?

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sphery:

Guest25981: based on http://www.pchdtv.com/hd_5500.html , looks like S-Video input

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sphery:

for the framegrabber that you don't want to use

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Guest25981:

so its not for a decryption card?

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Guest25981:

i have twc cable what type of decryption card should i use?

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[R]:

none

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Guest25981:

?

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sphery:

Guest25981: See http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable for options and info

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adub:

how do i tell mythtv to use hdmi audio where is the setting for this

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[R]:

adub: audio settings are in the frontend

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adub:

ok

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adub:

where at in the frontend

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adub:

i can not find the setting

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[R]:

its in the general settings i think

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adub:

chose alsa hdmi no sound

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adub:

how do i know what to choose there

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adub:

im using hdmi currently on my comptuer for sound

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adub:

restarted frontend no sound tho

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adub:

hmm

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kisak:

adub: just to get this out of the way, is hdmi muted?

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adub:

kisak no thanks for helping too btw

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adub:

hdmi works on everything else no problem

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adub:

im trrying to watch analog channels i dunno if this would have anything to do with it or not

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kisak:

adub: capture and playback are independent functions

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adub:

kisak for mixer just have default selected?

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adub:

this stinks i fought so hard to get sound working and i got it working

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adub:

even went and bought a new vid card to get hdmi sound working now the final piece of the puzzle is sound working on mytth

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adub:

kisak i dunno if this helps i have an hvr-1600

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kisak:

adub: sounds like there's another way to point the frontend to the hdmi audio

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adub:

kisak i found the setting i have adjusted through all the options and no sound

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squidly:

anyone using directv h24–100 boxes with usb-serial adapters?

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kisak:

adub: well, one frontend I have uses "ALSA:plughw:1,7" to send the audio to the hdmi

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adub:

i have a similar option i believe

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adub:

also had alsa:hdmi

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adub:

tried my similar setting no sound that way

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adub:

kisak are you sure it is all set there on the frontend

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adub:

not in mythtv-setup anywhere?

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kisak:

adub: yes, there's no settings in mythtv-setup which would affect playback

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adub:

kisak i may be screwed

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adub:

i reallllllly want to use hdmi sound on this but it doesnt seem to be working

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adub:

i have tried alll the options in the frontend

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adub:

i am trying on live tv

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kisak:

adub: well, best of luck

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adub:

maybe i should try on another setting

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adub:

can anyone help me get hdmi audio output working inside mythtv it seems to work in everything else

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adub:

after i set the setting i think is correct do i need to restart the frontend

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kisak:

no

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kisak:

so analog surround sound is always slower than realtime for me

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adub:

kisak thanks for trying earlier though

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adub:

so maybe i need to enable my onboard sound and try to use it with this but leave the hdmi sound as default

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adub:

really want to use my hdmi sound for everything possible

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adub:

kisak do you know how to get myth to open full screen in gnome i see both my taskbars

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kisak:

adub: well, are the bars over top of mythtv?

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adub:

yes

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adub:

in gnome the top and bottom taskbars show when starting the frontend

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adub:

would like to show the frontend full screen

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kisak:

adub: I'd open another window, alt tab away from mythtv, and alt tab back

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adub:

basically it shows its unable to find mixer i am looking at output of me changing through all the options i tried changed the mixer as well tho

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adub:

2011-02–17 22:17:55.308 Mixer unable to find control Master

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adub:

2011-02–17 22:17:55.308 Mixer unable to find control PCM

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adub:

it shows that when im going through changing devices and what not

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Stevezau:

how does one gracefully shutdown mythfrontend via the kill command

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trackstar:

Hi all. Kind of a n00b question but I just hooked up my ubuntu pc to my new TV with an HDMI cable (from an on-board HDMI port) and am disappointed that it didn't automatically detect the new display. is there a trick to getting this to work?

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squidly:

trackstar: it's not automagic

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squidly:

have you restarted X? what video card do you have.

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squidly:

and you hit google?

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trackstar:

squidly I just restarted my PC. video card is nVidia GeForce 8400 GS. I tried googling and didn't see much that helped

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squidly:

trackstar: what drivers are you using?

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squidly:

is the tv on?

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squidly:

have you talked to mythbuntu? My HDMI worked just fine out of the box

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trackstar:

I'm using the nvidia drivers, 260.19.06 ... yes the TV is on and saying no signal ... and no I didn't try there yet

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trackstar:

oh cool. looks like it was a bios issue

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trackstar:

thanks all the same

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adub:

how can i show mythfrontend to show full screen to where there are no taskbars

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adub:

ok fixed that one must disable compiz

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adub:

my video is double one on top one on bottom

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Beirdo:

there's a patch that's supposed to fix that, but I don't know how well it's been tested

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adub:

yaa the video is doubling

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adub:

this thing is a pain to setup i finally get audio on everything working except mythtv

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adub:

it wont accept my hdmi audio i have tried every option for the frontend

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Beirdo:

what video card?

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somethinginteres:

can someone let me know if the Compro DVBT 300 will still be usable with Mythtv 0.25? I understand there's some upcoming changes but I'm unsure if it will impact my ability to use that card

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Beirdo:

somethinginteres: if it still uses the DVB API, I don't see how it would stop working

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somethinginteres:

Beirdo: OK. Just wasn't sure after reading (and not really comprehending the meaning of) http://www.mythtv.org/news/144/XvMC%20and%20l . . . %20in%200.25

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Beirdo:

neither of those are involved with a DVB T card that I can think of

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somethinginteres:

Beirdo: OK thankyou

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adub:

PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc RD790 PCI to PCI bridge (external gfx0 port A)

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Beirdo:

ATI?

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adub:

that is my gfx card

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adub:

ya

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adub:

ati

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Beirdo:

good luck then

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adub:

hmm well nvidia would not work at all

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Beirdo:

for mythtv, it is quite recommended to use nvidia cards capable of VDPAU

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adub:

hmm

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adub:

can someone recommend a card that works with ubuntu 10.10

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adub:

and hdmi sound will work out of box

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adub:

or i guess i could try to pull this card and put the geforce gt 240 back in since i finally got an install working

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adub:

brb

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Beirdo:

my GT220 works fine

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Stevezau:

When i exit live tv i get an imprint on my xfce background.. http://66.90.73.180/IMPRINT.JPG any ideas what can cause this?? next time i start myth or even xbmc it acts strange.. eg http://66.90.73.180/WEIRD-XBMC.JPG

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Beirdo:

I don't do 10.10 though

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adub:

my gt240 does not

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Stevezau:

GT218 ion2 xs35gt ubuntu 10.10 xfce 4.8

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adub:

mine worked with 10.04

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Beirdo:

so use 10.04

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adub:

well sound would not work

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adub:

AT ALL

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Beirdo:

bah

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adub:

i worked on it for 3 days str8

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adub:

oh yes WILL NOT WORK

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adub:

im dont with that deal

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Beirdo:

I got mine working in a fairly short time, there are pages out there that tell you how to tweak the drivers for the proper hmdi audio

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Beirdo:

options snd-hda-intel enable_msi=0 probe_mask=-1,0xfff2

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Beirdo:

that's how mine works

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adub:

yep you name the page ive seen it man

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adub:

ive seen all of them

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adub:

gt240 i could nott get working for nothiing

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Stevezau:

adub did u try using aplay?

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adub:

maybe its my other hardware

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adub:

yes a million times

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Stevezau:

didnt work?

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adub:

it would act as if it was playing same thing this ati was doing until all i had to do was install the restrricted ddriver

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adub:

then viola

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adub:

no aplay did not work

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abqjp:

adub, I do "/usr/bin/speaker-test --test wav --speaker 1" as part of my /etc/rc.d/rc.local script to "prime" the audio on my GT220. Might work for you too.

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adub:

i went through that as well

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dirtyblanket:

if any developers are on, i have a question on theme customization in the #mythtv channel.

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adub:

i seriouslly spent over 40 hours dediicated to getting that card to work right

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adub:

as far as sound

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adub:

this card just works now im being told ati just doesnt work well with myth

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adub:

im willing to try to fight a new battle

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adub:

and try to get ati going i dont even want to go down the road with the nvidia card anymore im done with that thing

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adub:

does anyone know how to get rid of doubling video

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abqjp:

adub, I don't know much about it, but I do remember reading that the GT240 needs the absolute latest version of ALSA to work, and even then.... The GT220 works fine, though.

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Beirdo:

adub: you will find likely nobody willing or able to help with ATI cards

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adub:

abqjp i used the latest i updated and i use the 0.21 and 0.23 versions

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adub:

both

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abqjp:

adub, doubling meaning the picture on top, and the duplicated on the bottom? If so, that is a problem with ATI cards.

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adub:

it was a no go on both ends i would even see the driver installed run through a million options

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adub:

abqjp yes

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adub:

abqjp so this is something unfixable??

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adub:

at the moment

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abqjp:

I don't know. I have never cared to investigate since I have always used nVidia.

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adub:

how does one change deinterlacing setting in playback of frontend??

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adub:

trying to find this setting

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[R]:

its in the playback profiles

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adub:

assuming thats in the frontend is that in groups?

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[R]:

somewherein the settings

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[R]:

its called playback profiles

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[R]:

i'm sure you can find it

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adub:

ya i found it thanks man i just changed it to high quality and changed aspect ratio and went for fill full

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adub:

seems all my picturs are filling the screen the way i want now

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adub:

now back to the audio :)

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adub:

this is the last thing if i get this working i have a working myth setup

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adub:

well my remote comes in tomorrow

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adub:

so close man i hope i get this sound going

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nutron:

Ohai. Would I be correct if I said "PCI has a finite bus bandwidth, when full, mythtv locks up my pvr-150 cards." ?

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nutron:

... discuss ...

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kormoc:

mythtv is not the controller of locking or not locking your cards up

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nutron:

Not what I asked :P

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Stevezau:

does anyone know if its possible to get any remote working with winfast dtv gold??

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kormoc:

nutron, you asked if you were correct. No, you're not :P

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nutron:

Yeah I know, I'm just grasping at straws again kormoc

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nutron:

heh

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kormoc:

you might be able to tell based on the interrupt count. if it hits a certain number per second and your cards lock up, that's may be a hint that you're onto something

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nutron:

kormoc: I set mythtv to balance IO when defining those settings for the storage groups. So what I feel is happening is that when the PCI-e connected drives fill up and it tries to use the PCI connected ones, the bus becomes uhmm.. Full? That's when the cards start locking up.

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kormoc:

does your distro run irqbalance on boot? try disabling that?

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nutron:

I have 10 drives connected via PCI and 4 connected via pcie, though

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nutron:

Nah it's not installed.

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kormoc:

try installing it and using it? ;)

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nutron:

Quoted from the package description: "IRQ load balancing isn't worthwhile until you have more than one socket, or more than two CPU cores.

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nutron:

"

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nutron:

Ugh, magical/mystical non-printing characters.

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kormoc:

Yes. Don't you?

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nutron:

Nein, dual core.

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kormoc:

I just assume more folks do

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kormoc:

fair 'nuff

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nutron:

Bah, it's a backend, who needs horsepower when you really need powah on the frontends to decode mighty morphin power rangers in HD?

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nutron:

kormoc: when you say it hits a certain per second. How would you suggest I measure that? Script the innards of /proc/interrupts?

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nutron:

oh wait sar does that

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Cydd:

anyone here good with audio?

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adub_:

ok odd i had sound working then it stopped working using hdmi at least i know my correct settings

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adub_:

wanting to get live tv working

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adub_:

with audio dunno why it would just stop working

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adub_:

also how do i save the aspect ratio setting of 16:9

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adub_:

it keeps reverting back to mythfrontend defaults

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Beirdo:

And.. bed

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justinh:

stupid managers. The crappy DGM 32" LCD TV I use in the lab has died. Digital board failure by the look of it. We can buy 3 21" LCD monitors with HDMI input for what we paid for the DGM crap.. but... "muh, can you not just get one from somewhere in the building?"... Yeah, apart from eveery one of them is either in use or else it's exhibition equipment.

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justinh:

you can't have a functioning video development lab without at least one working monitor, *permanently* in residence

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hashbang:

morning all!

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justinh:

moenang

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justinh:

the shocking 48V PSU debacle continues

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justinh:

manufacturer says "Class Y capacitors are for input filter for EMC compliance". Trouble is, they're coupling Live & Neutral to PSU GND (0V) not MAINS EARTH (because PSU only has a 2 pin input connector). Specs say 'safe' but we say OW that tingles a lot

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justinh:

so I say, EMI filter no frickin use if there's no earth connection to ground it. They say no

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justinh:

I also said I doubt it even passed EMC tests with the 2 pin power connector. If they *need* the filter, that is.. and if their testing wasn't flawed

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justinh:

so I ran 10 of their PSUs on a portable appliance tester. One passed at 240 microamps leakage. The limit is 250 microamps. Oops

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laga:

heh

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justinh:

the tolerance of the capacitors on the filter is 20% +/- – so their design leakage current of 200 microamps is maybe a little too high... 200 + 20% = 240

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justinh:

I've always been suspicious of bonding 0V to mains earth anyway

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hashbang:

justinh: tingly! My Toshiba Laptop PSU is a bit like that if I grab the mains plug prongs after it's been on. Strangely, also the firewire port...

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justinh:

I measured the leakage of a very tingly PSU as about 100 microamps. it was quite painful to touch the metal case of the unit it was powering

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justinh:

so when yer ELCB or RCD trips at 4mA or whatever... that must hurt like hell still

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hashbang:

justinh: enough to turn the air blue with profanity, no doubt.

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justinh:

100uA is enough to do that

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hashbang:

...depending on how sweary one is...

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** hashbang is quite sweary when I'm warmed up properly. **

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justinh:

methinks milliamps are dangerous enough to kill – microamps are dangerous by indirect means – i.e. getting a surprise & jerking

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justinh:

lol @ the popbitch mailout joke: "I took a woman home last night and ended up

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justinh:

falling asleep on the sofa."

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justinh:

"I must have got our drinks mixed up."

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adub_:

i am very close to having my ati sound working through hdmi it worked last night now it does not work

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adub_:

dunno why it just stopped working

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justinh:

probably an alsa issue

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adub_:

justinh i am just going to buy and try best buy until i find a card that works out of box i have spent too much time on this its one issue after another never ending crap

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Lunar_Lamp:

w/in 8

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justinh:

nvidia all the way, then

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Stevezau:

hmm i have 3 WinFast DTV Dongle Gold cards and i want to use the remote.. i have lirc working but need to work out a way to only enable the ir receiver on one of the remotes.. any ideas?

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Stevezau:

on one the cards sorry

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justinh:

I do wish they'd stop naming stuff 'winfast'. crappest name ever

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simonckenyon:

i was wondering if there has been any progress on the bug (#9161 #9137 #6948 #6208 #7197 #8211) whereby if you go channelup or channeldown in livetv it chooses the wrong channel?

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Stevezau:

justinh i agree

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simonckenyon:

seems 9540 has a one line change to fix it

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JEDIDIAH___:

adub... didn't realize you were dealing with ATI gear. I concurr with others when they say "nvidia all the way". Suitable cards can be quite cheap.

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JEDIDIAH___:

I've seen 8400s for $10 and 430s for $60.

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wagnerrp:

$10? never seen them quite that low

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JEDIDIAH___:

tiger direct opened up a storefront in town. dunno if those are "sale" prices though. Probably should grab one of those 430s.

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JEDIDIAH___:

My first 8400 was pretty cheap 2 years ago.

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wagnerrp:

yeah, mine were like $25

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JEDIDIAH___:

cost of shipping is a big issue with some of these things.

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uW:

i had a friend working at tiger direct..they are a little shaddy with the products they sell in the stores

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justinh:

bleh. as if it's unheard of for returns to go back into stock

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JEDIDIAH___:

every store seems to have horror stories about returned stock.

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uW:

and stuff that is known not to work

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uW:

i'll stick with newegg or bestbuy even its more money

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justinh:

all they know is a customer didn't manage to make it work

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justinh:

not that it *does* *not* work ;-)

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justinh:

I've been behind people in returns queues in PC component shops. Ooooh boy

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uW:

and the repair center is even worse

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justinh:

"this setup was benchmarked by Toms Hardware last week & they said it gets 457897 FPS". I just tested it & I only get 457895 FPS. Please can I have my money back

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justinh:

you should be able to get away with murdering people who go on like that

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uW:

hey those 2 frames are no joke

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justinh:

uW: I know. Especially when you have to spend an hour behind the guy trying to argue the toss with the tech guy

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justinh:

it's funny for the 1st ten minutes or so

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justinh:

then you start imagining what would happen if somebody rigged up a series of mirrors to direct sunlight at him from outside

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uW:

oh i love it when people go crazy..

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justinh:

crazy or postal? ;-)

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uW:

crazy=no guns, postal=guns..i like crazy

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justinh:

like I said.. funny for the 1st ten minutes or so

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justinh:

esp. if you're only there to get a refund on a faulty memory card

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uW:

yeah only 10 mins..

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justinh:

thankfully I've never had to return anything there since

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JEDIDIAH___:

At least Frys seems to mark it's returns as such.

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justinh:

the last bit of kit I bought that didn't work first time was my 1st dvb-t tuner card. I tried it on linux & found it did actually work without locking the machine :P

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uW:

yeah i see frys as a legit company

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uW:

i hate when it locks..i can never find the key

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justinh:

generally a registry key ;-)

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uW:

exactly!!

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justinh:

and to think I almost ended up being a Showshifter user :P

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justinh:

great name. Very poor product

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uW:

never heard of it

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justinh:

sheesh http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/mythtvnz/469525

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uW:

wow

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JEDIDIAH___:

mythtv is like a very long rope sometimes...

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wagnerrp:

justinh: still using a single 5yr old drive for recordings?

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JEDIDIAH___:

depends on the household. not everyone has a fetish regarding their recordings count.

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JEDIDIAH___:

or a 3-way battle to determine what gets recorded

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wagnerrp:

i wouldnt trust such an old hard drive with anything

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JEDIDIAH___:

nor would I, except for TV recordings.

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skd5aner:

heh "5 yr"

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skd5aner:

I run several HD's that are 10+ year old

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skd5aner:

well, maybe not several

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skd5aner:

but at least 1, maybe 2

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wagnerrp:

that age would be what... 20–60GB?

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skd5aner:

and there are probably 2–4 HDs in my mythtv system that are at least 4–6 years old

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JEDIDIAH___:

past a certain point they just seem too small.

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skd5aner:

yea, 20GB, for a linux based firewall

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** JEDIDIAH___ imagines the day when his 2TB drives will seem puny **

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hashbang:

I've got HDs that are 18 years old and still working. However, I tend to replace them at ~3 years old, before the warranty expires

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skd5aner:

my OS drive for my mythbackend is 120GB, that's probably 6'ish years old

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skd5aner:

hashbang: to me, that's wasting money

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hashbang:

skd5aner: not really; I still use 'em, just not for critical stuff

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hashbang:

skd5aner: also, after 3 years, they tend to be a rather poor use of 10W to power them.

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skd5aner:

hashbang: well, that's not really "replacing" them – that's just repurposing them

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skd5aner:

That said, I started out with 250GB drives in my mythtv system, then 300, then 500, then 750

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skd5aner:

I no longer have any 250 or 300 and just last month got the 500 GB drive out of there

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hashbang:

skd5aner: 80, 80+300, 300+500, 2TB+2TB here. :-)

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skd5aner:

now I've got 3 750GB and 2 2TB + 120GB OS drive

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skd5aner:

(in the mbe)

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skd5aner:

I actually would like another 500GB HD, but you can't even get them much cheaper than a 1TB drive

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skd5aner:

for my desktop – to supliement a RAID 1 I have w/ a 500GB drive

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adub_:

ok i feel i am close like super close to getting mythtv finally completely setup i have the video picture pefectly setup how i want it i have it running and pulling down my channels

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adub_:

the output is working thorugh hdmi now the big thing though iw ant hdmi sound to work

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uW:

hey adub_ how did u fix the issue with the disappearing tuner card

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adub_:

i dont recall having that problem but i may have

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adub_:

ohhhhh

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adub_:

yeah i remember now the missing of /dev/video0

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adub_:

man honestly i dunno formatting i think

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adub_:

uW can you help me to get hdmi working in mythtv i have it working otherwise

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adub_:

The output of the gt220 is nice with mythtv can someone help me get hdmi sound in mythtv been working on this one a while now i have sound working on everything else via hdmi just not in myth

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iamlindoro:

adub_: Please be more patient-- that's three requests in 30 minutes with nearly nobody coming or going, give it at least a few hours between each repetition

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laga:

iamlindoro: yo dood can you hook me up with some hdmi audio my man

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iamlindoro:

laga: It's been nearly sixty seconds, time to ask again!

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laga:

fo shizzle, got my downloaded rips from usenet all ready and the bitches are down, so what gives

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** laga needs to watch more mtb **

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laga:

err, mtv

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adub_:

anyone in here have hdmi sound working with gt220

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adub_:

hdmi sound works with everything else

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laga:

adub_: you got the spirit

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adub_:

yep

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adub_:

it will eventually work

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adub_:

they way i want it to i wont stop

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adub_:

im reading now

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ptriller:

Hi, is there a way to export mythtv videos without using mythtranscode ? Mythtranscode does not give me access to all audio streams of HD video

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iamlindoro:

adub_: Please, please, please stop repeating the same question every ten minutes.

[18:18:15]

iamlindoro:

adub_: You are violating channel rules. Be *patient*. If someone has an answer for you, they will answer. If not, you can ask again in a few hours, not a few minutes.

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adub_:

NVRM version: NVIDIA UNIX x86_64 Kernel Module 260.19.06 Mon Sep 13 04:29:19 PDT 2010 <---- here is the version of nvidia i am rocking

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adub_:

i was wondering what people could tell me about the 180 and 190 version drivers for nvidia i hear a lot of talk about these

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adub_:

if i had to guess mine would be 260.19.06 not sure how to tell if i have 180 or 190

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iamlindoro:

You have 260 series drivers

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iamlindoro:

180 and 190 are older drivers

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iamlindoro:

much older

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adub_:

thanks iamlindoro

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adub_:

i think my issue lays elsewhere

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adub_:

are you using ubuntu 10.10 iamlindoro

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adub_:

im assuming i may have to have typed parameters in the frontend of where sound playback is does anyone have a gt220

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adub_:

under frontend section audio output device

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adub_:

audio system section in general settings

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JEDIDIAH___:

ptriller, you can manipulate your recordings files with any tool you want. The only real catch is the fact that the raw filenames for recordings are database keys.

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justinh:

Hmmm I might need to look at upgrading my laptop's screen

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ptriller:

JEDIDIAH___, do I need to treat them with projectx or tsmuxer or somethign like that before I can use them ?

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JEDIDIAH___:

most likely, they are just m2ts files.

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JEDIDIAH___:

for conversions, I just run mine through mencoder or ffmpeg.

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JEDIDIAH___:

main thing is that a recording looks something like 2075_20110218090000.mpg rahter than Supernatural-The_Rapture.mpg

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JEDIDIAH___:

It's Unix. It's just a file.

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JEDIDIAH___:

someone should put that on a t-shirt.

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ptriller:

finding the file is no problem, I am just not sure if ffmpeg gets them right, if you use tvb-t eith missing packets there can be out of sync problems

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ptriller:

I am not sure if the same problems can occur with dvbc

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wagnerrp_:

where are you

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xaxes:

hey all.. whats the best way to export my channels from mythtv to a channels.conf?

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wagnerrp_:

there isnt one

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xaxes:

damn ^^

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wagnerrp_:

mythtv does not use a channels.conf

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sphery:

mythlink.pl makes it easy to find the recording file... with names like, Supernatural-The_Rapture.mpg

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** wagnerrp_ thinks sphery needs a vision check **

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xaxes:

sphery: no.. I want to backup my channel list, so that Im able to use it in other software and am able to recover it in mythtv (it's a lot of work to get it complete)

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xaxes:

^^

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sphery:

was replying to the ptriller / JEDIDIAH___ conversation a bit ago

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kormoc:

xaxes, mysqldump is your friend

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xaxes:

oh ^^ sorry.. Im a little bit tired.. so excuse when I write crap ;) but thank you

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xaxes:

kormoc: indeed it isnt ^^

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kormoc:

okay then...

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sphery:

xaxes: note, though, that we only support complete backups/complete restores

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JEDIDIAH___:

I knew there was a tool like that, just didn't know if there was one that is current or what it's called.

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xaxes:

okay, thank you folks.. gonna try to get it on my own ;)

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sphery:

since channel information keys across data in multiple tables (which are also used for other information, like video sources, cards, card inputs, ...)

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sphery:

best bet for making it easy to restore your channels if you break your mythtv data is a full backup, as at: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore

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sphery:

note that the xmltvid backup is a hack and will likely be removed with a better approach (more like what you want) that relies on a complete backup

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sphery:

so do complete backups for now

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xaxes:

sphery: full backup includes problems with different versions.. that's because I want only save my channels in a way, so Im able to import them

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sphery:

note that the xmltvid backup is a hack and will likely be removed with a better approach (more like what you want) that relies on a complete backup

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sphery:

so do complete backups for now

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sphery:

:)

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xaxes:

^^ thanks

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sphery:

can't help with channels.conf, though

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JEDIDIAH___:

...also, doing a mysqldump on your entire db can be a bit unwieldy. Doing it a table at a time generates more managable files.

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xaxes:

nice weekend! thanks for the fast help again :)

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kormoc:

I hardly think a 7 megabyte file is unwieldy personally

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JEDIDIAH___:

my all-in-one dump file is over 100M compressed.

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wagnerrp_:

how many recordings do you have?

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kormoc:

my database is 267M on disk, mysql dump compressed with gzip is 7 megabytes

[20:17:42]

skd5aner:

also, kormoc will only ever need 640K of memory

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ptriller:

sphery, cool, mythlink.pl is nice :)

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JEDIDIAH___:

[chuckle]

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sphery:

yeah, my database is 88MB, gzip compressed, for about 1500 recordings

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wagnerrp_:

yeah, mine are between 8–16MB compressed

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sphery:

IIRC, JEDIDIAH___ has a big DB because he has seek tables for MythVideo videos (which will become *significantly* smaller, once the recordedfile schema changes are made)

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** justinh burns every channels.conf in the world **

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wagnerrp_:

ah, yeah... that would do it

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kormoc:

still, I'd just compress it with bzip/lzip and call it good then

[20:19:39]

sphery:

oh, wait, only 1333 recordings

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justinh:

not 1337 ?

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sphery:

forgot it's now much lower thanks to Seagate

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JEDIDIAH___:

before my effort to "seek everything", the dumpfile was still 75M compressed.

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sphery:

heh, not yet. will have to record 4 more

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sphery:

JEDIDIAH___: compressed?

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sphery:

oh, yeah, you said compressed

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wagnerrp_:

database sizes are pretty much directly related to the number of recordings

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skd5aner:

wouldn't size of guide data play a large part too?

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kormoc:

174 recorded, 17849 oldrecorded, 230955 recordedseek

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sphery:

guide data is nothing

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kormoc:

84507 program. it's really pretty small

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sphery:

seek tables are the only real cause of DB size gain

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sphery:

after 1yr of MythTV usage, your DB will have reached an equilibrium size, then will only really change as you record more shows or add MythVideo seektables

[20:23:27]

sphery:

s/record more shows/record--and do not delete--more shows/

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sphery:

DB size, after equilibrium, is only dependent on the number of seektables (which is related to the number of recording files you keep--or MythVideo videos for which you create seektables)

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sphery:

all else is negligible differences

[20:24:59]

skd5aner:

iamlindoro: do you use slysoft's anydvd HD?

[20:25:24]

iamlindoro:

Yes, I own a copy

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skd5aner:

do you just use that, or do you also use their dvdcopy product (or similiar)?

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iamlindoro:

AnyDVD HD is a superset of Plain AnyDVD (ie, it works with Blu-ray, HD-DVD, and DVD)

[20:26:24]

iamlindoro:

but it's the only one of their products I use

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JEDIDIAH___:

the dump for my program table is 88M, filemarkup 430M

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iamlindoro:

since AnyDVD HD comes with a ripper and I'm not interested in re-encoding

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: ahh, ok – that's what I was curious about... their site didn't make it obvious about how AnyDVD HD would work in terms of ripping w/o their actual "ripping" product

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skd5aner:

probably because they want to sell more ;)

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kormoc:

JEDIDIAH___, --extended-insert will shrink that down and make it much faster to restore/import

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iamlindoro:

It includes a very lightweight utility to just copy the disk wholesale-- but it accomplishes the same thing as just dragging and dropping

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iamlindoro:

ie, mount with AnyDVD HD, drag BDMV folder to another folder, wait, done

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: does it allow you do rip to ISO? Or simply copy file structure without encryption?

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iamlindoro:

The latter with the tool, but you can use any tool you want to create an ISO-- AnyDVD merely presents you with a filesystem that is entirely unencrypted

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: cool – I'm considering buying license...

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: did you go with the lifetime? wondering if it's worth it

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iamlindoro:

I bought it when all licenses were lifetime

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skd5aner:

ah, ok

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skd5aner:

yea, they have 1,2..., 5 year licenses and a lifetime license incrementally priced

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sphery:

kormoc: yeah, extended-insert ftw

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sphery:

which is why I use it in the backup script

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sphery:

a.k.a. the "black box script that might do bad things, and, therefore, only idiots use"

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JEDIDIAH___:

what's the shrinkage.

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kormoc:

JEDIDIAH___, rather then INSERT INTO TABLE(a,b,c) VALUES (1,2,3)\nINSERT INTO TABLE(a,b,c) VALUES (4,5,6)... it does INSERT INTO TABLE(a,b,c) VALUES (1,2,3), (4,5,6), (7,8,9)...

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JEDIDIAH___:

I'm pretty sure that mysqldump does that by default.

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JEDIDIAH___:

although I don't recall off the top of my head.

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sphery:

when you talk about mysql, "default" is really rather nebulous as most distros include my.cnf files that do things the distro way

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** JEDIDIAH___ thinks of the Mutara Nebula **

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sphery:

for example, a certain distro insists that the MySQL default is to use utf8 for the encoding

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sphery:

when the upstream default is, like always, latin1 swedish

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wagnerrp_:

swedish?

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JEDIDIAH___:

eek

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sphery:

yes, note the origin of mysql

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JEDIDIAH___:

...like finnish comments in ircd

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justinh:

hershky birdy. bork bork bork!

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kormoc:

--opt turns on extended inserts, but they're not on by default

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adub_:

wagerrp you around bro?? i just got the same remote in that you have i was wondering if you could direct me to a good lircd.conf file i found an ok one but some features re not working inside myth

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adub_:

wagnerrp it would help if i spelled your name right see above

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kormoc:

wow. I didn't know wagnerrp had a brother

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adub_:

kormoc brother from another mother who liked the same mce remote

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sphery:

wow, MS's app store bans all FOSS

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JEDIDIAH___:

They are just following Apple's lead as per usual.

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sphery:

does apple ban foss?

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sphery:

if so, that's a good reason to go with Android--a.k.a. the lesser of 3 evils

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JEDIDIAH___:

TOS vs copyleft thing.

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JEDIDIAH___:

although Microsoft's declaration mentions GPL3 by name.

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sphery:

yeah, they were pretty specific

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sphery:

and even quoted restrictions used on some of the "lesser" FOSS licenses

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JEDIDIAH___:

on the one hand it's evil. OTOH, it's pretty concise.

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sphery:

the more-permissive licenses

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sphery:

wonder if the app store is the only way to install to ms phone

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JEDIDIAH___:

well, if it's copyleft than it's copyleft. I think I heard something about Microsoft not wanting ot be on the hook for distributing source.

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sphery:

if not, it's not as big a deal

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kormoc:

sphery, it's not the only way

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sphery:

cool

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** kormoc weeps at his palm treo pro **

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kormoc:

it's soul crushingly horrible

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skd5aner:

yea, pretty much apple is the only one that makes it next to impossible to install any other way than via appstore

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JEDIDIAH___:

although any FS phone app could just have the source as part of it's "bundle"

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** sphery weeps at the death of the only true FOSS phone distro, Openmoko **

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JEDIDIAH___:

actually, this would be a nice loophole for all of the phone vendors: "we gave you the source, we just won't let you look at it"

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justinh:

only iTunes & the price put me off getting an iPhone :P

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justinh:

once they sort those bits out I'll be all over it

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sphery:

the idea of being forced to buy an Internet plan puts me off to the idea of getting an iPhone or Android or anything through the carrier

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sphery:

I already pay for one ISP, I don't need another

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skd5aner:

sphery: yea, I totally agree with that statement

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sphery:

justinh: the rumor about the cheaper iPhone nano was just denied today with the statement, "Smaller does not mean cheaper."

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justinh:

lol

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skd5aner:

my old "smartphone" (wm5 palm treo) just used my minutes as data

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skd5aner:

then, I upgraded, and had to pay $30 in addition to what i was paying

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Wicked:

what i find messed up. on verizon you can get "unlimited" aka 5 gigs a month for 30$ or you can get the cheaper plan for 15 a month...but...BUT....you get WAY LESS THEN HALF. the 15/mo plan is 150mb's

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Wicked:

how on earth does that make sense?

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justinh:

5GB a month? :-O

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Wicked:

if you pay half...you should get HALF.

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sphery:

it's the "we only really have one plan, so we'll price the other so no one chooses it"

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Wicked:

yea

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skd5aner:

Wicked: I read that just owning an android phone will use >150mbs a month without even "using" the phone

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justinh:

skd5aner: read this: It doesn't

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Wicked:

justinh, its verizon wireless. cellular

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Wicked:

skd5aner, that is so far from the truth

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Wicked:

i own a droid2 and barely use any data a month

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skd5aner:

yea, just what I read – didn't say it was accurate :)

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justinh:

I get 100MB free every month & I've only used it all up once.

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skd5aner:

Wicked: I got a droid2 too, but I never look at how much data I actual use

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justinh:

skd5aner: heh that was on applefanbois-r-us.com no doubt

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Wicked:

granted i dont use the inet alot when im away from a wifi spot...but still ive never really used alot of data

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skd5aner:

heh – I don't remember – I think it was actually buried somehwere on droid-life.com

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justinh:

"and Android phones can kill a baby if left in the same room for too long"

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skd5aner:

justinh: calm down, I'm an android fanboi myself :)

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justinh:

remember! they KILL BABIES!

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** justinh loves his Android phone **

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Wicked:

skd5aner, there is a number you can call(verizon #<something>) that verizon will txt you your current data ussage

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justinh:

I've never even *liked* a phone before now

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** skd5aner wants to give Andy-the-Android a big hug **

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justinh:

used to be a total Nokia devotee but they totally lost the UI plot

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Wicked:

bah.

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Wicked:

i dont have the #data number in my phone now

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justinh:

I want to get into making themes for 'droid – but the dev environment is... too tricky for me

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Wicked:

ive done some dev'ing on my android. i loved the sdk

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skd5aner:

I'm pretty much an apple hater too – but not necessarily from a product standpoint, more from a customer support/price/apple tax/annoyance of apple fan-bois and people who simply think apple is "awesome" for no other reason than it's shiny

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justinh:

I've seen what people are charging £££ for, for themes in the marketplace. Totally *lame* themes too

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justinh:

about the only thing I can find fault with Android-wise is the app buying model here.. you can't just put it on your bill

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justinh:

or take it from your balance in the case of PAYG customers

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adub_:

anyone that has an nvidia graphics card that is using hdmi sound could you pleae tell me your settings for frontend settings on general>audio system>audio output device:

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Wicked:

Sign into verizonwireless.com then click on data usage on the left side of summary or you can #3282 (#data) and receive a text message for billing cycle that you are currently in.

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adub_:

i do understand taht the settings may vary from what i need there ALL other hdmi sound is working just not working inside myth

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skd5aner:

Wicked: Well, I'm 2 days into my billing cycle and I've used 1.38MB

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skd5aner:

according to my verizon app

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Wicked:

dial #3282

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Wicked:

ah

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Wicked:

yea

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adub_:

justinh are you using nvidia and hdmi output of sound

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justinh:

nope

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Wicked:

ive used 26,507.4kb

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justinh:

why not pick somebody else who happened to be talking at the time :P

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skd5aner:

I've turned off wifi last month, when I realized that it caused my car's bluetooth system to go crazy about every 60 secods

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JEDIDIAH___:

I use .asoundrc to set the default device for ALSA and use "ALSA:default" in the frontend.

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skd5aner:

that's my only complaint, but...

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justinh:

skd5aner: not 'droid's fault though :)

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** justinh goes back to hitting XML with a big hammer **

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skd5aner:

justinh: well, I don't know if it is or isnt'... it could be all the car's fault, it could also be all the phones fault, or shared... either way, I can easily live withou the wifi turned on

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adub_:

how do i turn passthrough off i think i found a solution

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justinh:

yeah I only use wifi for the marketplace

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skd5aner:

I know my last phone didn't do that :)

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adub_:

maybe my googlefu paid off this time

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justinh:

gave up on the gmail client though... it *sucks*

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JEDIDIAH___:

google is your friend

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JEDIDIAH___:

...at least when it comes to web search.

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skd5aner:

I know wifi does provide some benefits in google maps too, but I'm not sure how much of a difference it makes

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justinh:

skd5aner: keeps yer data usage down :-D

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skd5aner:

:)

[21:02:18]

skd5aner:

true

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skd5aner:

I did think of that, but I also know that my data usage cant' be that large

[21:02:47]

skd5aner:

I'm paying $30/mo, might as well use it ;)

[21:02:51]

justinh:

I went to download the maps I bought for the satnav app & it actually warned me I wasn't on the wifi for the >200MB download

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adub_:

Passthrough outputdevice i dont see this setting in sounds section

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adub_:

where is it in frontend??

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Wicked:

i pretty much only use the wifi on my droid :)

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Wicked:

make everything so much faster

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Wicked:

well inet based things

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Wicked:

lol

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justinh:

yeah 3G sucks in public

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skd5aner:

justinh: some providers in the US are looking at launching app stores to compete with google's app store so that you can charge directly to your bill, and I've also read that Google's App store is already capable of supporting carrier billing – the carriers are probably just trying to negotiate on how to profit share

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Wicked:

my room where i spend most of my time in my house is hit or miss...some days 3g is nice and quick...other days webpages take 5 mins to load

[21:05:38]

skd5aner:

lots of phones don't even get voice reception where I live...

[21:05:55]

skd5aner:

but my droid2 and my wife's Droid X get over half bars and 3G

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skd5aner:

it's nice, because I was about to drop about $500 on a nice whole-home repeater

[21:06:26]

skd5aner:

screw everyone else's phone who comes over, so long as mine works :)

[21:06:39]

skd5aner:

full bars as I look now :)

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skd5aner:

unfortunately, in the last 3 days, I've started getting text spam :P

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GreyFoxx:

hrm ..... anyone else running into mythvideo crashing when starting a file scan ?

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GreyFoxx:

it looks like the progressbar is crashing right after it draws the 0%

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skd5aner:

Is it bad if I laugh at this – http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/nor . . . roblems.html ?

[21:14:49]

skd5aner:

pparently, the news today just said she was having symptoms of a migraine is ok, but geeze – she had to be tramatized after doing that live on air

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skd5aner:

er. apparently

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adub_:

where are the audio passthrough settings on the frontend or is this in an older version of myth i have been reading my butt off today i dont see the settings anywhere assumin gthey were in a later version

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: any reason that libmythbluray and libmythdvdnav and a few others are .a rather than .so?

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Beirdo:

probably no harm, just curious if there was a compelling reason, or if it just happened that way

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iamlindoro:

libbluray and libdvdnav both build .a files natively-- presumably it has to do with them being statically linked

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Beirdo:

interesting

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Beirdo:

wonder if there'd be any advantage to making .so, or if it would just further complicate life.

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iamlindoro:

It would likely just further complicate life

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Beirdo:

I have a feeling you're likely correct :)

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iamlindoro:

at least as it is right now, the libs built are almost exactly what's produced by the upstream equivalent

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Beirdo:

Life is complicated enough as it is

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Beirdo:

right, with just a few tweaks, and a rename before linking, essentially

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iamlindoro:

(minus our few local tweaks) Switching them to shared would likely cause some sort of random secret squirrel brokenness that someone a year from now would discover and be unable to track down

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Beirdo:

knowing our luck, yeah

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iamlindoro:

And then five years from now people would figure it out and say, "What was with the idiots who changed this in the first place?"

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Beirdo:

stupid squirrels

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Beirdo:

heheh

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iamlindoro:

and then ten years from now people would say, "Whatever happened to MythTV, anyway?"

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skd5aner:

that Beirdo go was it's demise when he changed all the .a files to .so files... hindsights 20–20 I guess now that it's 2021

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skd5aner:

ser s/go/guy

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iamlindoro:

Heh

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sphery:

iamlindoro: and 9 years from the day when we quit working on MythTV, MythTV would stop working, and the world would be up-in-arms

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iamlindoro:

haha

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sphery:

(just like TiVo UK is going to stop working, 9 years after they stopped selling TiVo in the UK)

[21:29:37]

justinh:

and I still won't have finished this theme :D

[21:29:44]

skd5aner:

sphery: will that correspond to the same date as the robot uprising?

[21:30:16]

sphery:

heh, could be

[21:30:32]

justinh:

hey if machines can already win Jeapardy...

[21:30:58]

sphery:

did you see the Jeopardy episodes where Ken Jennings and Brad Rutter competed against Skynet

[21:31:03]

sphery:

oh, too slow typing...

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skd5aner:

I, for one, welcome our robot DVR overlords – who decide for me what it is that I /want/ to watch

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justinh:

bet Sky subscribers would give their left arm to have a STB that lasted 9 years

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sphery:

skd5aner: no, DVRs are dead--it's all cloud these days. Apple will decide what you want to watch.

[21:31:39]

skd5aner:

sphery: yea, I watched all the episodes and the NOVA series on watson

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Beirdo:

heh

[21:31:44]

sphery:

and take a 30% cut on everything you buy

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sphery:

"What you need cloud for?" "Aww, come on guys, it's so simple. Maybe you need a refresher course. Hey! it's all cloud nowadays. Now you prepare that Fetzer valve with some 3-in-1 oil and some gauze pads. And I'm gonna need 'bout ten quarts of anti-freeze, preferably Prestone. No, no make that Quaker State."

[21:34:32]

** skd5aner remembers when the "cloud" actually meant the network... and when it actually meant floating water droplets in the atmosphere **

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skd5aner:

ah, memories

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JEDIDIAH___:

I have my own clone of the apt repositories for the distro I use for my myth boxes just to handle the "we don't support that anymore" case.

[21:42:40]

adub_:

pain is all i feel now

[21:42:44]

adub_:

i cant get this working :(

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adub_:

4 days

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** kormoc thins adub_ went emo on us **

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kormoc:

*thinks

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JEDIDIAH___:

I hate to say "it works for me", but all I did was google instructions and followed them (for my nv218)

[21:46:39]

sphery:

he's fighting the HDMI lies, right?

[21:46:55]

sphery:

"one cable and everything just works" :)

[21:47:12]

JEDIDIAH___:

yes, that.

[21:47:28]

justinh:

*unless you run linux

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kormoc:

nah

[21:47:59]

justinh:

right I got this popup looking how I want

[21:48:08]

kormoc:

a cable's job is to send electrons from one end to the other

[21:48:11]

kormoc:

the cable works ifne

[21:48:12]

justinh:

now to make all the others look like it

[21:48:20]

kormoc:

it's the electrons that are not right!

[21:49:26]

sphery:

kormoc: but the electrons don't move

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adub_:

sphery yes

[21:49:30]

sphery:

only the charge moves :)

[21:49:49]

kormoc:

sphery, details! if you can't tell the difference, is there a difference? ;)

[21:49:57]

adub_:

have gt220 nvidia here if you have any insight would be great the sound works iwth everything else i have tried but not myth

[21:50:07]

sphery:

I keep telling the electric company that I'm using my own electrons, but they won't give me a discount

[21:50:49]

sphery:

adub_: I don't know HDMI. I'm still using stereo analog jacks :)

[21:51:05]

JEDIDIAH___:

you can search the XBMC forums for the Acer Revo for the same issue. You use the same procedure to create an .asoundrc file and set ALSA to use the HDMI out by default.

[21:51:35]

JEDIDIAH___:

then tell myth to use ALSA:default

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uW:

i did that with an ati video card

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sphery:

that does sound like the most-likely problem... using a 2nd sound card in mythtv requires some black-magic, and the easiest way is to just make it the default for all of alsa

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adub_:

yes that is how i got sound on everything else

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sphery:

and you probably need to go into mythfrontend (main) General setup and re-scan for audio devices and then select one that's detected

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adub_:

Passthrough output device – hdmi

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adub_:

<--- i no longer see this setting

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sphery:

and it will still show whatever you had after you scan, so my recommendation is to select any other random entry, then go back through and re-scan and re-select what you want

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sphery:

because there's now only one audio output device

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sphery:

do the scan thing

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adub_:

sphery how to rescan for sound

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adub_:

just exit the menu

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adub_:

thanks for helping btw

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sphery:

there's some button called Rescan or something

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adub_:

really

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adub_:

is this in the frontend

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adub_:

i dont see it in my frontend

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sphery:

mythfrontend settings

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sphery:

in the audio settings, wherever that is in 0.24

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sphery:

IIRC, it's main General settings

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sphery:

Utilities/Setup|Setup|General

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** justinh moves the mouse by telekenisis over IP **

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clgshaft:

Hey guys, I can't control anything when watching a DVD,

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sphery:

in development, it's in Audio Settings

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adub_:

development

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adub_:

ill look

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clgshaft:

Not the keyboard because I can alt tab and use other programs

[22:21:01]

clgshaft:

Can't exist DVD either, have to shutdown frontend

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sphery:

adub_: FWIW, if you actually want a working DVR, you may want to run 0.24-fixes, not the unstable/development version

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justinh:

hhaha oh well at least I didn't paste the bad taste joke into *this* window.. just my theme xml

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adub_:

sphery i honestly just apt-get install from repository

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adub_:

i do not see the audio setting your talking about though

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adub_:

ran apt-get install mythtv

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sphery:

you sure you're not using 0.24-fixes?

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sphery:

if so, see general settings

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adub_:

im not 100% sure

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adub_:

can i apt-get install to run the fixes

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sphery:

4th page of general settings in 0.24-fixes

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adub_:

running ubuntu 10.10

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sphery:

button is called "Scan for audio devices"

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sphery:

adub_: ok, sounds like you're using 0.23-fixes, then

[22:30:18]

adub_:

i dont have the button

[22:30:23]

adub_:

thanks for staying with me on this

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sphery:

You can upgrade to 0.24-fixes, if you like.

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adub_:

i just ran an apt-get install mythplugins

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adub_:

is there a deb for amd64

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sphery:

IMHO, you're likely to have much better luck with "fancy" audio on 0.24-fixes: http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

[22:31:01]

sphery:

you want 0.24-fixes

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sphery:

not unstable/development/master/trunk/0.25/whatever they call it

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sphery:

you probably have 0.23.1 now

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adub_:

im just running mythtv not mythbuntu

[22:32:02]

adub_:

so the menus in mythbuntu are different?

[22:32:12]

adub_:

is that what you have mythbuntu?

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sphery:

mythbuntu makes packages that work on *buntu

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adub_:

the program and everything seems to work just not hdmi audio for some strange reason

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sphery:

mythbuntu is just Ubuntu where all the low-level configuration of the distro has been done for you so you don't have to learn the details of configuring Ubuntu to work properly with MythTV

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adub_:

you suggest i apt-get remove mythtv and install mythbuntu

[22:33:24]

adub_:

is that what you run tho

[22:33:27]

sphery:

i.e. mythbuntu is basically just the guys who follow mythtv development and make mythtv packages that are used by all ubuntu versions

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adub_:

i am trying to figure out why i have no scan button

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sphery:

you have an old version of mythtv

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sphery:

so you have no scan version

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sphery:

button

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sphery:

you need to upgrade to 0.24-fixes to get it--and the improved audio configuration that makes things like hdmi configuration easier

[22:34:25]

sphery:

if you're on ubuntu, you use http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

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justinh:

huh. uhuhuhuhuh. uuhuhuhuhuhuhuh. reboot :D

[22:35:25]

justinh:

beavis & butthead reboot ^^

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adub_:

this is worth a try i will apt-get remove mythtv

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sphery:

adub_: you may want to ask an Ubuntu user for help... I /think/ you just do the autobuilds things and then you get the updated packages and they replace the old one you installed from the Ubuntu repo

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sphery:

i.e. no need to remove

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sphery:

but I don't know *buntu

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jrgill:

does anyone by change have a Philips 30PW9100D? according to this i can do 1080i, but i'm having no luck even w/ this exact modeline. http://pastebin.com/71axfHbf

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kormoc:

Do you need a modeline?

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iamlindoro:

EDID is for the lazy!

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adub_:

sphery its probably best to remove

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jrgill:

i need a working modeline, yeah. i tried what edid said. it's actually a second-hand edid. i couldnt read edid myself for some reason. i'm using a vga to hdmi converter.

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adub_:

im still thinking i have the wrong audio output is all

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jrgill:

i hooked up to a plasma just fine, so it's this tv. it's an hdtv. i KNOW it's capable of more than 480p. :/

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clgshaft:

Adub what are you using for audio card?

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sphery:

jrgill: and do you have settings in xorg.conf that say to ignore the EDID

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kormoc:

jrgill, pastebin your xorg.conf file

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Specifying_DPI_for . . . DID_Settings

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sphery:

assuming nvidia

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duffrecords:

how do I set MythTV to favor the stereo stream in a DVB recording over the 5.1 stream?

[22:56:26]

jrgill:

i actually haven't tried tv with X yet. i've been working w/ powerstrip in windows figuring i should be able to get it working here first.

[22:56:50]

mianos:

h,, there is a hint for me, for my sharp, engineered by idiots, with the EDID reporting lower then the max resolution, I went the 'write a C program to edit the binary edid to override it' :(

[22:57:27]

mianos:

h,, that's just DPI

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sphery:

duffrecords: ttbomk, you can't... you can just select the less-preferred stream from the menu or using +/- keys

[22:58:22]

mianos:

I should add, the localpython bindings are so easy to use

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sphery:

though you could, in theory, re-mux the recording and remove the 5.1 stream

[22:59:48]

sphery:

jrgill: and there's information on overriding the non-DPI-related EDID settings at the link I gave

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sphery:

so it's not "just DPI'

[23:00:29]

sphery:

but see the nvidia README for details

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duffrecords:

sphery: let me try the +/- keys option. I don't really feel like re-muxing

[23:00:50]

sphery:

duffrecords: you'll have to do it on each playback

[23:00:57]

sphery:

but should allow you to change

[23:01:10]

sphery:

first try, might want to use MENU (M) to select the desired channel

[23:01:12]

justinh:

ugh don't ever edit base.xml. EVER

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sphery:

then once you see that works, try with +/-

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jrgill:

sphery: what if i'm not using nvidia? this is laptop with intel gma 4500mhd.

[23:02:13]

sphery:

ah, then you'll have to find how your card's video drivers handle it

[23:02:34]

sphery:

I haven't heard of any way of overriding EDID with Intel drivers--but I have to admit I haven't actually looked

[23:02:49]

jrgill:

so, this is a driver issue, not a tv issue?

[23:03:07]

sphery:

depends who you ask--they'll both blame each other

[23:03:37]

mianos:

in my experience, it was clearly a TV issue :(

[23:03:38]

sphery:

likely the TV is giving EDID information that it thinks is appropriate, as it will then allow a Windows user to see their whole desktop (including Start bar) on screen

[23:03:42]

jrgill:

well, i have a samsung plasma and i did all resolutions fine on that.

[23:03:49]

mianos:

it's pretty simple to download the EDID data and look at it and it's wrong

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sphery:

the drivers are then following the EDID constraints

[23:04:14]

sphery:

if the drivers allow you to override the use of EDID constraints, then the drivers are fine

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sphery:

if not, I'd argue they're broken

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mianos:

it's a problem that will probably go away now more systems read the edid anyway

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duffrecords:

there doesn't appear to be any audio on the stereo track. it looks like it's being used for Spanish. so here's the problem I have now. I currently only have stereo speakers (but I'm using the HDMI out from my Myth box to keep the audio and video in sync). if I set the speaker conf to 5.1 I hear the left/right channels fine (but no center, obviously) but if I set the speaker conf to stereo I hear white noise

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wagnerrp:

a 'vga to hdmi converter'?

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duffrecords:

no, it's a Shuttle box with HDMI out

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wagnerrp:

why not just use VGA directly?

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wagnerrp:

VGA and HDMI are not compatible

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duffrecords:

because HDMI looks better

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wagnerrp:

no, jrgill said he was using a vga-to-hdmi converter

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duffrecords:

oh

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wagnerrp:

meaning a semi-expensive scan converter

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wagnerrp:

much more expensive than just buying a new video card that supports HDMI

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wagnerrp:

jrgill: its entirely possible your scan converter is in fact not capable of more than 480p

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xand:

vga->hdmi... *shudder*

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xand:

(cos dvi video cards are so expensive)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: fwiw, I'm loving not having to use -O ThemePainter=qt on my dev box when doing ssh X forwarding

[23:30:15]

wagnerrp:

some douche bag doused my car with a sticky drink on the way home

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jams:

sphery- GL works?

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wagnerrp:

had to spend five minutes with windex and paper towels

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jrgill:

it's a $30 converter that's capable of 720 x 400 @ 85 Hz, 640 x 480 @ 60 Hz, 800 x 600 @ 60 Hz, 1024x768 @ 60 Hz, 1280 x 720 @ 60 Hz, 1280 x 768 @ 60 Hz, 1280 x 1024 @ 60 Hz, 1360 x 768 @ 60 Hz, 1600 x 1200 @ 60 Hz, 1920 x 1080 @ 60 Hz. it's compatible with hdmi 1.3 it mixes analog audio and analog video into digital. i have a laptop and tv i want to bring together without buying a new tv or video card. i tested it on a plasma and it worked

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jrgill:

perfectly. there's no need to blame the box for an edid or other issue.

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wagnerrp:

jams: no, it automatically reverts to qt if there is no direct rendering detected

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kormoc:

jams, we autodetect and pick a painter for the user now

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jams:

oh i see

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jams:

very nice

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sphery:

right

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jams:

when did that happen?

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sphery:

though, technically, it /works/ fine with OpenGL

[23:31:08]

sphery:

just slow

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Methuselah:

anyone know how to launch mythtv when using Big Desktop, to other monitor automagically

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sphery:

jams: right before all the people started complaining on -dev list :)

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wagnerrp:

jrgill: got a link?

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jams:

heh

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kormoc:

What is big desktop?

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kormoc:

is that some ubuntu thing?

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jams:

sphery- can't say it ever bothered me

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kormoc:

jams, locally it's decent on mine, remotely qt is way faster

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Methuselah:

spanned desktop , when you have two monitors and can drag stuff across them

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sphery:

"On my system--on which I'm using nouveau drivers, of course, since nvidia drivers are evil--whenever any OpenGL program starts, X crashes, so now I can't use MythWelcome because it doesn't pass overrides"

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jams:

kormoc- i meant the having to say use the QT painter

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sphery:

jams: it's the specifying the override that was annoying

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jrgill:

wagnerrp: yes, people are happy w/ it and i think it's a good deal. the usb -> hdmi and other vga -> hdmi converters are around $100 which is dumb. it's their brand, but i think it's a score. http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp . . . amp;format=2

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kormoc:

Methuselah, via xinerama or compatible?

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sphery:

specifically the fact that unless you'd been using MythTV for years and/or follow development extremely closely, having to know the magic incantation to use

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sphery:

s/having to know/you wouldn't know/

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wagnerrp:

jrgill: actually, just the opposite, for $30 i dont think its doing what you think its doing

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sphery:

so, I wasted a couple hours hunting a bug that doesn't exist

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wagnerrp:

especially when, as you say, other similar devices cost $200+

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sphery:

because my recording history from when I made my dev box DB (years ago) wasn't what I expect

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jrgill:

so why does it work on my plasma?

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wagnerrp:

you said it doesnt work

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jrgill:

it works on my plasma. it doesn't work on my crt.

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kormoc:

you have a CRT that takes HDMI in?

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wagnerrp:

i cant say ive ever seen a CRT with a digital input

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jrgill:

its a 2005 philips hdtv. it has one hdmi in.

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jrgill:

http://www.p4c.philips.com/cgi-bin/dcbint/cpi . . . partial.html

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Methuselah:

kormoc: I am not sure, I don't believe i am using xinerma. I am using ati big desktop the is only one x virtual desktop , $DISPLAY=0.0 there is no DISPLAY=0.1 if like if you had multidesktop

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wagnerrp:

Methuselah: scrap the card, purchase an nvidia one

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kormoc:

Methuselah, ATI doesn't allow you to do what you want

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kormoc:

that's a crt with a hdmi in all right.

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kormoc:

that's epically absurd

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kormoc:

but they get to produce a worse looking screen and sell it as HD so I guess it works...

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jrgill:

its just an old tv i was hoping to put to use instead of throwing away. not gonna defend it or anything, but it would be cool to give it some life.

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wagnerrp:

your laptop doesnt support DVI directly?

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wagnerrp:

even my ancient P3 laptop (that i happen to be typing on) has a DVI port

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jrgill:

just s-video and vga. i realize i should sell the thing and just get a tower w/ digital. this was a project i was hoping wouldn't be so troublesome. i would just hook it up and kinda conceptualize and enjoy this temporary "hd" setup, and then have a real setup.

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jrgill:

eh

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