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Wednesday, February 16th, 2011, 05:42 UTC

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reaVer:

hi

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reaVer:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MythTV_HOWTO

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reaVer:

is there anything missing in this howto?

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reaVer:

mythtv-setup is not generating databases

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reaVer:

err

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reaVer:

tables

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, we'll see who yells.

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sphery:

(auto-detect theme painter code is in)

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cesman:

reaVer: it doesn't

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cesman:

you need to load the initial schema into the db

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sphery:

reaVer: are you doing initial setup?

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reaVer:

sphery: yes

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sphery:

reaVer: and you're positive you have a proper mysql DB and mysql permissions

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wagnerrp:

cesman: the only thing you load into the database manually is login credentials and character set

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wagnerrp:

all schema is handled by mythtv-setup and mythbackend

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sphery:

someone else reported a failure to create a schema using mythtv 0.24, but I couldn't reproduce it

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wagnerrp:

(or mythfrontend for the various plugin schemas)

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reaVer:

sphery: I think so

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sphery:

reaVer: what version of mythtv, please pastebin: mythbackend --version

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cesman:

wagnerrp: show you how long it's been since I've done it that way

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reaVer:

sphery: http://pastebin.com/Wavc1Xf2

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biffhero:

warning, video buffering failed too many times.

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sphery:

reaVer: any chance you could connect gdb to the running mythtv-setup and get a backtrace?

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wagnerrp:

cesman: i actually set up a new database for the first time in 5 years a couple days ago :)

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wagnerrp:

needed it for testing some new stuff, and didnt want to hose up my production system

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** sphery creates new databases way too often--but isn't very good at getting the failures he's trying to repro **

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sphery:

I spent 2 hours today trying to repro this issue

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sphery:

biffhero: also, can you pastebin all the log output from running mythtv-setup, please

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sphery:

just copy/paste out of your terminal if you didn't send it to a log file

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reaVer:

sphery: wait, hold on

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sphery:

(assuming you started it in a terminal rather than some double-click thing)

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reaVer:

seems arch wiki is not doing everything it's supposed too

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reaVer:

lemme check

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sphery:

now that you mention it, it was another arch user who had issues

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reaVer:

hmmm, nope it pretty much covered everything it seems

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reaVer:

oh wait

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reaVer:

wait wait wait...

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biffhero:

sphery: I am not having any problems with mythtv-setup. my problem is with DVD playback. mythavtest on a local .iso segfaults, and I can play some previews, and then it fails during playback.

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reaVer:

temporary tables aren't created when following arch wiki

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sphery:

biffhero: sorry, bad autocomplete... that was meant for reaver

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biffhero:

ahh.

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sphery:

reaVer: so, do you have backend log output youcould pastebin?'

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reaVer:

sphery: nope XD

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reaVer:

I was testing the temporary tables thing

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reaVer:

that one isn't it

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reaVer:

mythtv-setup is failing btw

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reaVer:

I haven't tried backend yet

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sphery:

failing how?

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sphery:

just hanging after the db backup?

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reaVer:

it's complaining a shitton about missing tables

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reaVer:

check pm

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reaVer:

I got tons of those

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reaVer:

and after selecting country and language I get segmentation fault

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sphery:

reaVer: yeah, I'd need to see all of the log output

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biffhero:

rats. I have apport running, and mythavtest core dumps, and I have mythtv-dbg installed. But I have no apport "report a trace" window popping up.

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biffhero:

have to work on this some other night. thanks all.

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reaVer:

sphery: ouch

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sphery:

reaVer: can you: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e 'DROP DATABASE IF EXISTS mythconverg; CREATE DATABASE IF NOT EXISTS mythconverg;'

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sphery:

reaVer: and then start mythtv-setup and keep log files: mythtv-setup 2>&1 | tee $HOME/setup.log

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reaVer:

it's ~3000 lines

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reaVer:

k, hold on

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reaVer:

I didn't get an error

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reaVer:

for the mysql

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reaVer:

is your dcc working?

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sphery:

nope.. :(

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sphery:

how about pastebin

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: did you claim that SQL injection attacks were pretty rare these days?

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sphery:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/

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reaVer:

3000 lines-_-

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sphery:

it doesn't mind :)

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reaVer:

I do:p

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reaVer:

how do you copy all in vim?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, Aye

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, well, attacks are often, successful attacks are not

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wagnerrp:

you hear about how HBGary (an international computer security company) was going to out some high level members of 'anonymous' and was subsequently compromised and documents leaked?

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sphery:

reaver: gg , Shift-V , Shift-G, "*y

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sphery:

commas for you, not for vim

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, nah?

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wagnerrp:

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/ . . . ary-hack.ars

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sphery:

reaVer: or, there are a bunch of utilities to pastebin files from the command line

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wagnerrp:

anyway, they got taken out by a fairly simple SQL injection

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wagnerrp:

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, yeah, not that it doesn't happen, but it's much rarer these days and even more embarrassing

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wagnerrp:

especially when youre a computer security company, offering security analysis and penetration testing services

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wagnerrp:

i think theyre done for

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kormoc:

$20 says it was outsourced to India or similar too

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reaVer:

sphery: http://pastebin.com/5Y5UwG7M

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wagnerrp:

employees were were reusing passwords, using very bad ones that were outright guessed with no brute force method necessary

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sphery:

reaVer: thx... looking at it

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sphery:

reaVer: can you do the: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e 'DROP DATABASE IF EXISTS mythconverg; CREATE DATABASE IF NOT EXISTS mythconverg;'

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reaVer:

sphery: yes

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sphery:

reaVer: again, then: mythtv-setup -v database 2>&1 | tee $HOME/setup.log

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sphery:

reaVer: it will be a much larger log file :)

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reaVer:

http://pastebin.com/cWM2Txnk

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sphery:

reaVer: it prompts you for language?

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reaVer:

sphery: yes

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reaVer:

country and language

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reaVer:

and my mouse isn't working

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Beirdo:

USA, profanity

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Beirdo:

oh wait.

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reaVer:

in the setup that is

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Beirdo:

use the keyboard, maybe...

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reaVer:

I am

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reaVer:

otherwise I wouldn't be able to segfault it:p

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Beirdo:

I'm not sure if the mouse is supposed to work in the country-chooser

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reaVer:

it did the first time

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sphery:

reaVer: what version of mysql?

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reaVer:

Server version: 5.5.9-log Source distribution

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sphery:

hmmmm

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sphery:

that's not good, but we'll get to that later

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sphery:

reaVer: did you do the stuff at the bottom of http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2

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sphery:

reaVer: specifically verifying the skip-networking and bind-address stuff

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reaVer:

yeah I checked for those

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reaVer:

they are out of the config file

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reaVer:

oh, I have no bind-address in my config

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reaVer:

do I need to add it?

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sphery:

can try adding it and restarting mysqld

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reaVer:

which section is it supposed to be in?

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reaVer:

if it's supposed to be in [mysqld] then it didn't fix it

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sphery:

reaver and it works when you try (from the same host): mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg

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sphery:

you can connect without issue?

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reaVer:

yes

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sphery:

well, at this point I'm starting to think that there are more problems with MySQL 5.5 than we know about. We don't currently support 5.5 because of: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8585 (and I'm still looking for the logs showing where the date-related failures are)

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sphery:

are you compiling this yourself?

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sphery:

if so, I could give you a patch that may help

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reaVer:

no, this is arch

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reaVer:

but aren't the tables supposed to be created at some point?

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sphery:

yes, and for 2 hours today I tried to make 0.24-fixes fail to create them and couldn't

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sphery:

if your DB is properly configured, then the only difference is MySQL 5.5, which we know has issues with dates

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sphery:

and may have others

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sphery:

let me make a blank db for you, then you can import it, then try running and see what happens

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reaVer:

aight

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sphery:

and if it works, maybe you could post some of the logs showing date failures to http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8585 for me :)

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reaVer:

k

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sphery:

reaVer: btw, what country/language do you choose--I'll choose the right ones so you get the right settings for that country

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reaVer:

Netherlands/US English

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sphery:

ok, thanks

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sphery:

reaVer: see PM for link to DB. You can restore the DB with: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . _backup_file

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reaVer:

I don't have that perl script

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reaVer:

sphery: ^

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sphery:

it's part of mythtv install. It would be in /usr/{,local/}share/mythtv

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reaVer:

nvm

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sphery:

if you get: ERROR: Unable to connect to database.

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reaVer:

it's 7:39 am here

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reaVer:

been up for almost 24 hours

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sphery:

please let me know (we'll need to specify username/password in a backuprc if so--it just means you don't yet have a config.xml/mysql.txt)

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sphery:

looks like you could do: echo "DBPassword=mythtv" > ~/.mythtv/backuprc ; mythconverg_restore.pl --drop_database --create_database --filename mythconverg-1264–20110216013615.sql.gz --username=mythtv --hostname=localhost

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wagnerrp:

sphery: when do you think were going to get our talking trans-ams?

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sphery:

one Knight we'll see them

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reaVer:

sphery: ERROR: Cannot write to mysql, stopped at /usr/share/mythtv/mythconverg_restore.pl line 1720, <BACKUP> line 1806.

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sphery:

reaVer: hmmm... seems there may be issues with mysql connectivity

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sphery:

we are using the right username/password/host, right?

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sphery:

mythtv/mythtv/localhost

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reaVer:

yes

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reaVer:

hold on

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sphery:

line 1806 of the backup is the storagegroup table, after doing all earlier-in-the-alphabet tables...

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reaVer:

it hasn't written any it seems

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reaVer:

k, outside that restore thingie the mysql command just worked

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reaVer:

(I gunzipped the file and executed it manually)

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sphery:

so, you mean just piping the sql to mysql client?

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reaVer:

yeah

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sphery:

did you drop your database first

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sphery:

and re-create it

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sphery:

to make sure there's no garbage?

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sphery:

if not, please do that: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e 'DROP DATABASE IF EXISTS mythconverg; CREATE DATABASE IF NOT EXISTS mythconverg;'

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sphery:

then: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg < mythconverg-1264–20110216013615.sql

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Beirdo:

[18133]

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MythLogBot:

SVN 18133: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/6be5ffdd

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reaVer:

sphery: database was clean

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sphery:

does mythtv-setup work now that you have a proper-schema-version DB?

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reaVer:

sphery: yes

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reaVer:

though ehm, is there a dutch channel list in there?

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reaVer:

cuz I doubt europe-west will find all it needs too

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sphery:

Europe West?

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sphery:

or East?

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reaVer:

west

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reaVer:

Netherlands

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reaVer:

scanning for channels is gonna take a while-_-

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sphery:

not sure which freq table peopel there generally use

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Beirdo:

la la la...

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Beirdo:

I gotta say... threaded software kicks butt... when it works

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Beirdo:

recording 3 programs, plus playback of one.... 3% CPU

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Beirdo:

plus 200% for an MPEG2 commflag :)

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reaVer:

sphery: is there a way to run mythtv in windowed mode?

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Beirdo:

I will assume you mean mythfrontend, and yes

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reaVer:

k, cool

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sphery:

yeah, one of the settings in mythfrontend Appearance settings

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sphery:

but it's not a resizable window

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reaVer:

is signal strength supposed to be 91% all of the time?

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reaVer:

or 99%

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reaVer:

cuz it's adding everything it seems

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sphery:

signal strength doesn't necessarily mean much since there's no real standard for how it's reported in the DVB api

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sphery:

so it may or may not mean anything

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reaVer:

ok

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reaVer:

but it seems to be adding over 30 channels

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sphery:

it adds any channel that it can actually tune, get a lock, and find tables in

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reaVer:

while only 30 are available

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sphery:

some of those may be encrypted

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sphery:

and if so, you likely want to redo the scan, but telling it to put in unencrypted channels only

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reaVer:

it's already in that mode

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reaVer:

I'm now in try-all mode

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reaVer:

sphery: it's not finding any channels it seems

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reaVer:

(tvtime ran everything fine)

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reaVer:

sphery?

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reaVer:

anyone else for that matter?

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Beirdo:

OK, enough of this fun. Bed

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reaVer:

:(

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laga_:

jpabq: can you FIX YOUR CLIENT KTHX

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justinh:

IMHO there should be an autokick for this stuff

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Floppe:

and kickban if they have autojoin

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justinh:

grrr

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justinh:

heh well at least now the /ignore is working. Had to do /ignore * JOINS QUITS PARTS

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justinh:

the downside is that I won't see when people I want to talk to come in

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laga_:

good thing i never /quit

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mianos:

is there a way to idle timeout the front end of make the ESC at the top menu not have a confirmation dialog

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mianos:

I want it go right back to mythwlecome

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sid3windr:

justinh: you can also just ignore the person and it'll hide the parts etc, or even just ignore part/quit/join of one person ;)

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justinh:

mianos: there's a setting for that

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justinh:

probably in utils/setup > setup > general

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mianos:

I wish

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mianos:

it says idle timout

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mianos:

but it never seems to exit

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mianos:

more research to be done Iguess

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justinh:

mianos: no, there IS a setting to disable the exit confirmation dialog

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justinh:

at least in 0.23 there is.. dunno if it was removed in 0.24

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mianos:

not totally

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mianos:

in .24

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mianos:

there are default,

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justinh:

suit yourself

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mianos:

exit/shutdown etc etc

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justinh:

I looked at mythwelcome once. that was enough to know I never wanted to see it again

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mianos:

yes

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mianos:

it's a bit haky

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mianos:

but I want the zero power

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mianos:

and the WAF

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justinh:

zero power? nothing ever takes zero power

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mianos:

yes eys

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mianos:

I know

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mianos:

but low low

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justinh:

you're lucky if most PSUs take less than 5W in standby

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mianos:

1.1W

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mianos:

I have an RMS power meter

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mianos:

on the line

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mianos:

1.1 when off

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justinh:

like I said. Lucky

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mianos:

it's the asus ION with the plugpack and micro switcher

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mianos:

it's normally only 30

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mianos:

TV is 330

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justinh:

and yet people think they're gonna save lots of money doing it that way

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mianos:

why not?

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mianos:

1.1 is quite low

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justinh:

sure if you save a *lot* of a few watts, but changing one device isn't gonna buy you much

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justinh:

have a read-only filesystem, no swap.. then you can just power it off :P

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mianos:

can do that too

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mianos:

it's an SSD

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mianos:

storage is on the SAN elsewhere

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justinh:

lol

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mianos:

it's 4 second boot

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mianos:

maybe 7–8 into myth

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justinh:

expensive way to save money

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mianos:

why?

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justinh:

because uh.. SSDs aren't cheap

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mianos:

30G

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justinh:

is that a boot from cold btw?

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mianos:

80 bucks

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mianos:

boot from cold

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mianos:

ubuntu 10.10

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mianos:

it's amazingly fast

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mianos:

high WAF

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justinh:

my FE boots in about 25 secs from a sata hdd

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justinh:

and that's without optimising it any

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justinh:

or wasting $80 on an SSD

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mianos:

25 seconds is a hell of a long time

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mianos:

low wife acceptance factor

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mianos:

the old PVR booted in about 10

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mianos:

has to be the same

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justinh:

it's about 30s faster than the cable STB

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mianos:

yes, probbaly about 60 seconds than my sat box in my other house

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mianos:

haha

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mianos:

POS

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justinh:

I think my motherboard takes more than 5s to get through POST

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justinh:

heh. coreboot.org

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justinh:

can't remember what board is in my frontend

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justinh:

ahh AOpen i945GMm-HL Rev 1.0 – found in my ebay list

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AndyCap:

uk tivo gets bumped off, or just an older version?

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cityLights:

hi all

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cityLights:

yesterday I was told that in case I want to use dvb , I dont need the channels.conf file

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cityLights:

I got some issues with my myth setup and want to test the dvb by it self

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cityLights:

I assume I need vlc or mplayer to translate dvb to the screen – right? is there a paper I can follow to do this?

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cityLights:

most google hits need the channels.conf file

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JzTz:

Hi all :)

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JzTz:

Some1 here?

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AndyCap:

cityLights: Mythtv stores the dvb channel data in the mysql database, if you want to use anything else you need to give it the data in whatever way it prefers, usually channels.conf

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cityLights:

thnaks mate

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AndyCap:

cityLights: don't think there's an easy way to go from SQL to channels.conf but maybe someone made a hack.

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AndyCap:

in theory a few lines of perl/python/whatnot. :P

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justinh:

AndyCap: the legacy one

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justinh:

AndyCap: the VM one isn't out yet. Doubt it'll get many takers either

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justinh:

tivo may have been the best thing since videotape in 1998 but it ain't now

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justinh:

just bought myself a 12MP 15x zoom Fuji Finepix S1730 for under Â£75

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justinh:

had to go into Widnes to get it mind. Shudder

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AndyCap:

to get what?

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AndyCap:

oh, Widnes is a place?

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justinh:

hahaha barely yes

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justinh:

it's a bit chavvy but nothing like as bad as Runcorn

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justinh:

there & back in under 40 mins thanks to my android phone. I wonder if I'll ever regret switching ;-)

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AndyCap:

think different?

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justinh:

different to the folks who don't mind carrying Â£500 worth of fragile electronics in their pocket? yup

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cityLights:

right

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cityLights:

like when I lost my keys now....

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justinh:

and still FWIW I wouldn't import a channels.conf file if I were you

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justinh:

cityLights: if you still don't know what frequencies to scan for dvb-c you can go ahead & use w-scan or whatever

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justinh:

I tried w-scan once to see what all the fuss was about. I lost patience after about 5 minutes of it not having produced any sort of result

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cityLights:

I know that the symbol rate is 6890 not 6900, how can I make w_scan use that info?

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justinh:

w_scan --help perhaps?

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cityLights:

na, also tried -H

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justinh:

who's your cable provider?

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cityLights:

sorry, now that all you guys are here to help , I need to postpone it , as I need to code now

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cityLights:

Israel

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justinh:

see sometimes dvb-c providers do strange things – like rely on the software in their STBs to find the channels

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cityLights:

I found a hint in a forum about qam-256 and the symbol rate

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justinh:

doing that allows them to get away with doing all kinds of weird non-standard stuff

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AndyCap:

justinh: which sucks. :)

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justinh:

AndyCap: not for users of their own STBs though – changes are then completely transparent to the end user

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cityLights:

btw, after upgrading ,mythtv 0.23->24 I cant get a picture as the devices seem busy

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justinh:

log output, or it didn't happen

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cityLights:

but as I said I will ask about all this soon

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justinh:

i.e. backend log output

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cityLights:

right right I know

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justinh:

like if you use $buntu, chances are the backend is already running when you go to run it in a terminal.. yada yada yada

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justinh:

other things which can produce 'device in use' type errors: permission problems

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justinh:

e.g. group membership issues

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cityLights:

yes – I know

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justinh:

hmm I think I need to order another SDHC card

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justinh:

if only I could remember what class my camcorder needs

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justinh:

and now thanks to my Amazon order history I know... Class 4

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hashbang:

justinh: mymemory are doing 8GB Transcend Class 10 SDHC for about Â£7.40

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justinh:

too late

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justinh:

ordered 2 8GB class 4 cards for Â£16.90 delivered

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hashbang:

ah well

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hashbang:

justinh: I spotted your new cam purchase; looks like an Argos-specific model as far as I can tell. How is it?

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justinh:

seems good to me. beats my aging panasonic DMC-LZ1

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hashbang:

justinh: I wanted to find some sample shots on flickr, but it's not in their camera finder

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

the majority of the snaps I take won't end up online anywhere public ;-)

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hashbang:

I guess the Argos customer | flickr intersection isn't that great.

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justinh:

try MSN photo ;-)

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hashbang:

(ditto Aldi/Traveler and Flickr)

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justinh:

assuming they know how to get their pics off the camera

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justinh:

my dad has a previous fuji model – takes good enough pics but it doesn't take ordinary batteries & only does XD

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justinh:

so I kinda wrote Fuji off til I saw this one on HUKD

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justinh:

you can't really go wrong for Â£74.99

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justinh:

think the only thing it doesn't have is manual focus

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hashbang:

justinh: yeah, I've got an Olympus C-750 bridge cam that I got in 2004. Pretty good, limitations considered.

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justinh:

I went looking on ebay again for a 2nd hand model from last year or so – which is how I ended up with my LZ1 – but prices are just stupid

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justinh:

my 1st ever digital camera cost over Â£300 new. TWO MEGAPIXELS!

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justinh:

never spending that kind of money again

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justinh:

hashbang: try searching for the S1700 model – specs look the same

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justinh:

heh.. only the 1500 seems to have many results

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justinh:

wow. I think I'll be happy if I can take photos which look even half as good as these

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justinh:

how many people use Nikon D90s? :-O

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hashbang:

justinh: my first was a Kodak DC215 1MP for Â£250. Yowch! Olympus was about Â£300. Now using a Nikon D5000, which was a bit of a big step, budget wise.

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hashbang:

justinh: the D90's a very good cam, and good value, for the DSLR segment.

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justinh:

I'm not serious enough to spend that kind of money

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justinh:

even the guy who took my wedding photos was only using an Â£800 camera

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justinh:

then again he *is* a frickin awesome photographer

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justinh:

when he's not doing weddings etc he's off doing reportage style stuff in far flung places

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** justinh wonders if this camera produces that pesky orb artifact **

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justinh:

took photos at my mother inlaw's wake last year.. wife read way too much into those artifacts

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justinh:

quick! send them all into Take A Break! :-O

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hashbang:

justinh: orbs=dust+flash

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justinh:

yeah I know

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justinh:

but I read somewhere they're more prevalent with some types of camera/lens than others

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hashbang:

justinh: I wonder how much your wedding photographer had spent on lenses, mind, including ones he'd hired.

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justinh:

i.e. small lenses are more prone

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justinh:

hashbang: heh yeah there's that

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justinh:

again, *way* too serious for me

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hashbang:

Â£800 would buy a very good body, but you can easily spend thousands on glass.

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justinh:

my Dad is who put me off all that stuff for family snaps

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justinh:

wait! wait! lemme just adjust the... (gets lightmeter out)...

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hashbang:

yeah, I'm just using kit lenses. It's essentially why I didn't bother with the D90; I don't think I'd see the benefit without getting some high-hundreds lenses too.

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hashbang:

which is "too serious for me" :-)

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justinh:

with all the time in the world, and as much disposable income as required.. I'm sure I'd be deadly serious

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justinh:

my composition is ok & that's what counts IMHO

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justinh:

OMG Youtube video copyright woman has emailed me again.. asking who did the dog club website again. LOL

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justinh:

her own sites suck – look as if they were done in Word or something – but were actually done in dreamweaver. how they ended up sucking so bad I'll never know

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sid3windr:

url? :>

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justinh:

oh maybe not dreamweaver. anyway they suck hard

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justinh:

http://www.bacagility.co.uk/

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justinh:

"HOW MANY DOGS WILL THEIR BE ON THE COURSE?"

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laga:

agility training, isn't that something for software developers?

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justinh:

this is the woman who went off on one cos one of the members of the site I run had embedded one of her youtube vids in a page

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laga:

so, uh, does this agility thing also train the pet owner or just the pet?

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justinh:

she said it was a breach of copyright, I looked at it, decided it was crap anyway so took it down – replied to her saying as much & she then said no matter what youtube say she gets the last word on where & how her vids are shown – and people PAY to put her vids on their sites LOL

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justinh:

laga: both

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justinh:

teach the owner how to get their pet to do stuff ;-)

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laga:

heh

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laga:

i guess i should bring my cat to my crossfit box

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justinh:

it's great fun. I do 'fun' agility – ie. non-competitive – with my black Lab & he loves it

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justinh:

a lot of people take it *way* too seriously. Like to the extent of getting a certain breed etc to compete with

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justinh:

seen it on forums a lot, esp. for things like Flyball "I want a dog that'll be good at Flyball" :-\

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justinh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cKZa4-TSJY – that's us doing the fun agility thing

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justinh:

and yeah I know I need a proper fluid head on my tripod :P

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justinh:

oh neat my camera has HDMI out

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laga:

justinh: hum, for some reason i can't play that video with vlc. strange.

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justinh:

heh no..

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justinh:

laga: really? heh

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justinh:

video is blocked in some countries.. I was naughty

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laga:

ah

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laga:

so, uh, why?

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laga:

;)

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justinh:

I'll try audio swapping it.. see if that makes it better for you

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sid3windr:

justinh: oh wow :|

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sid3windr:

also, amazed they didn't write "no more then 10" as a reply to that "will their be", btw ;)

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justinh:

hahaha

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justinh:

here we go.. swapping the audio on the video. dunno if it's suitable or not

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** justinh wonders how an SSD can be so much faster than a HDD anyway **

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justinh:

apart from the bleeding obvious I mean

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laga:

it *feels* like magic

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JzTz:

Hello, any1 here?

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JzTz:

wb jpabq

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justinh:

!trout jpabq-

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** MythLogBot slaps jpabq- with a trout on behalf of justinh... **

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JEDIDIAH___:

!trout JEDIDIAH___

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** MythLogBot slaps JEDIDIAH___ with a trout on behalf of JEDIDIAH___... **

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JEDIDIAH___:

does the trout predate mirc?

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hashbang:

justinh: aaargh! My eeeeeyess!

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justinh:

black background with red text! #FAIL

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wagnerrp:

wait, tivo is killing ALL UK units June first?

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wagnerrp:

i thought they were just killing access to old Series 1s or something

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iamlindoro:

They haven't sold them in 9 years in any form

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wagnerrp:

oh, so they technically are only killing old series 1s

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iamlindoro:

they're turning off guide data, and haven't billed anyone since last november for the free guide data they've been getting

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iamlindoro:

At least, the above is as I understand it

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biffhero:

woah, I got a series 1 sitting around. they are nuking it?

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wagnerrp:

do you live in the UK?

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biffhero:

my bad. just uk. That bad boy needs hacked to the core.

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wagnerrp:

im honestly surprised the hardware is still functional after 9 years

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adub_:

my backend i am having to start it manually??

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wagnerrp:

use your words, are you asking or telling?

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iamlindoro:

haha, I was just about to write something similar

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adub_:

asking what would be causing this

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adub_:

its a question of why

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adub_:

lol

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wagnerrp:

the only reason you wouldnt start mythbackend manually is if you were using some init scripts to start it automatically

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wagnerrp:

in which case it would be a matter for your distro to explain why you can run it manually, but not automatically

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adub_:

odd bc on my last install it was always running in the background

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adub_:

oh thats why i remember i was starting it through init

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adub_:

:)

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adub_:

i just did a fresh install so im working on getting htis going yet again

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adub_:

i got the hvr 1600 in yesterday

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adub_:

we'll see how long this setup takes

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biffhero:

adub_ I took notes in a text file for every option for my myth backend and frontends. it is 3447 lines long.

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adub_:

wow thats hardcore

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adub_:

well i have the backend and frontend and database going

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adub_:

only thing is no tv

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adub_:

bummer time to play around in myth-setup some more

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adub_:

my old card though i could get it running out of the gate the framegrabber i had

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adub_:

i just added a 1 sub to schedules direct

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adub_:

when i input the information into my setup

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adub_:

it fetches no channels

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adub_:

under video sources under data direct lineup before it would tell me my local sub for the zipcode i added

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adub_:

in my account it has this as well

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adub_:

when i log in under the site but no channels

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adub_:

this is under videos sources

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esperegu:

anyone around with knowledge on cable for satellites? I want to know what is good value for money cable and how to check that.

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adub_:

usually on cable wysiwyg

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adub_:

in other words you have to go with what is in your area

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wagnerrp:

cable for satellites?

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adub_:

oh

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wagnerrp:

you mean the actual wiring?

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adub_:

get rg6

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esperegu:

yes

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adub_:

ya i just reread

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adub_:

hmm use google shopping?

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adub_:

or by locally at lowes

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adub_:

is what i do

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adub_:

that way you avoid shipping

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adub_:

some things are best to buy local bc shipping will rape you

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adub_:

call around locally and compare providers

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adub_:

home depot will sell rg6 as well

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esperegu:

I saw this one: http://www.asat.nl/coax-kabel-super-kwaliteit . . . e6kga0vtl8f6

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adub_:

call each and get a quote by the foot

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esperegu:

and they say its super quality.. but no specs at all

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adub_:

just buy standard rg6 wire

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adub_:

it works ofr cable and satellite

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adub_:

you really dont need a better grade beyond that

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adub_:

wagnerrp any reason why i will not show a data direct lineup listing

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wagnerrp:

you mean your lineups are not listed in mythtv-setup?

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wagnerrp:

does radiotimes charge a fee for guide data?

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cityLights:

where can I find basic C programing help in freenode?

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wagnerrp:

##c

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sphery:

wagnerrp: pretty sure they don't

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sphery:

I wonder if Mark K could fix this: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/472189#472189 . It seems he made playback startup so fast that the Please Wait screen--which he now made display--doesn't have time to finish drawing by the time playback starts. Seems we need that sleep(10) kormoc recommended.

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sphery:

wagnerrp: [mythtv-users] 0.24 Python Bindings – Transcode Wrapper Script due to wiki cache?

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if the wikiscripts thing has the same issue

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wagnerrp:

you havent refreshed it yet, have you?

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sphery:

it's not logged in so should

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wagnerrp:

indeed, it does

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sphery:

what page is it?

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wagnerrp:

whats the command?

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sphery:

we can clear the cache--now that we know it's a problem

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sphery:

?action=purge, IIRC

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sphery:

(no comma :)

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wagnerrp:

i can have the wikiscripts thing do it for us

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sphery:

ooh, good plan

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wagnerrp:

keep the pages fresh whenever anyone runs it

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sphery:

wonder if there's a way to tell the wiki to not cache certain pages

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sphery:

like everything in the scripts category (and its category pages, too)

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sphery:

heh, flame thrower: http://thinkhole.org/wp/2006/09/13/disabling- . . . n-mediawiki/

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sphery:

or http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_FAQ# . . . e_caching.3F

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sphery:

wagnerrp: or we could just run a script on the wiki server occasionally (assuming you have the privs): http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_FAQ# . . . hed_pages.3F

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sphery:

your way is probably better, though, since it will pick up changes immediately and only invalidates cache on script-related pages

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wagnerrp:

but a bit difficult... "Anonymous users making purge requests via a query string will be presented with a confirmation form."

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sphery:

yeah, you have to click OK

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sphery:

didn't know if you could just circumvent the ?action=purge and send the verification

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sphery:

wagnerrp: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MagicNoCache ???

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sphery:

worth a try, maybe? then just add the __NOCACHE__ to your codebox?

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wagnerrp:

apparently you can send the purge request over POST, which bypasses the checkbox

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wagnerrp:

dont know how to pull that off though

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sphery:

think the extension might be workable?

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wagnerrp:

dont know if i have privs to do that

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wagnerrp:

need admin access to the system, and i dont know what system its currently living on

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sphery:

maybe we can get xris or Beirdo or someone to help

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sphery:

wonder if putting __NOCACHE__ into a template only causes it to not cache the template :)

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wagnerrp:

only the template

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

well, guess we could add it to all the script pages without too much trouble

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wagnerrp:

no, its done during the initial parsing

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sphery:

I really don't get why MW doesn't invalidate the cache for a page when that page is updated...

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wagnerrp:

if the parser finds it, then it doesnt cache the page

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wagnerrp:

and its done after the first pass substitution

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wagnerrp:

yeah, dont know about that

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sphery:

I have to assume there's a reason, just don't know what it may be

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wagnerrp:

it would have to follow down any templates that were included

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sphery:

yeah, that could be it

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wagnerrp:

sphery: in your recordedfile stuff

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wagnerrp:

is chanid/starttime a unique key?

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sphery:

I got rid of starttime, as you recommended

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sphery:

so in recorded, chanid/progstart becomes the unique key

[17:49:19]

sphery:

but in recordedfile, fileid/chanid/progstart is a unique key

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sphery:

then throughout the rest, fileid is

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wagnerrp:

so you have code in the schema update that will filter chopped up recordings into separate files?

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sphery:

I don't have the schema update, yet

[17:50:18]

sphery:

but they're already separate files

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sphery:

and they're separate entries in recorded

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sphery:

and since we have starttime/endtime and progstart/progend in recorded, it will all link up properly

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wagnerrp:

im just wondering if this would cause complications... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/High_Quality_Transcode

[17:51:21]

wagnerrp:

specifically, the bit at the bottom where it creates a new duplicate entry in recorded, with a different filename

[17:51:49]

wagnerrp:

certainly that will already cause problems with the markup stuff

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sphery:

well, in our current schema chanid/starttime (meaning recstart) are already used as a primary key

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sphery:

so if they can force it into the current schema, it should move over

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sphery:

if they put in invalid progstart, they'll have duplicate recording entries

[17:53:23]

sphery:

but that's their mess to fix--since they're poking data directly into the db

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sphery:

which has never been supported

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sphery:

yeah, $newstarttime is presumably different from starttime

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wagnerrp:

doesnt look like it

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sphery:

then that script would fail

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sphery:

unless they change chanid

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sphery:

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sphery:

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wagnerrp:

oddly, he pulls starttime out of the database, breaks it apart, puts it back together, and shoves it right back into the database

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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sphery:

???

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wagnerrp:

i dont see it being changed in there anywhere

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sphery:

how is this working for him

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sphery:

we're going to need an icon for "known to not work in version X" before long :)

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sphery:

(not that this is a version problem--since we've always had a chanid/starttime PK (at one point it included endtime)--but this will definitely be toast when we switch to the new schema

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wagnerrp:

whats that '1;' at the end?

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sphery:

pretty sure it has the same effect as an exit(0);

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sphery:

i.e. last line in the script evaluates to true, so it exits without error

[17:59:54]

sphery:

but, hey, it saves 6 whole characters of typing/storage space!

[18:00:39]

sphery:

so that's using ffmpeg for the transcode?

[18:00:51]

sphery:

yeah...

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sphery:

wish people would put the effort into putting the transcoder functionality into mythtranscode or some other "real" app rather than scripts

[18:01:30]

wagnerrp:

at least work on nuvexport

[18:01:57]

wagnerrp:

the only reason i made that transcode stub is so people could spend 2 minutes, edit a few lines, and transcode in-place

[18:02:38]

wagnerrp:

someone willing to spend two minutes for their own purposes isnt going to spend hours or days reworking something else

[18:03:22]

wagnerrp:

but, hes contributing, and hes not using the command line mysql client, so i cant disparage him

[18:04:17]

sphery:

exactly

[18:04:52]

sphery:

would just be nice to have the contribution in a more maintainable place

[18:07:52]

wagnerrp:

oh, i see it

[18:08:21]

wagnerrp:

no... thats not it

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wagnerrp:

it would still be broken

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** wagnerrp is confused **

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Beirdo:

OMG

[18:09:52]

sphery:

Beirdo: do you by any chance have root on the server hosting the wiki?

[18:10:33]

Beirdo:

yes

[18:10:47]

sphery:

hmmmm...

[18:11:05]

sphery:

any chance you'd like to install a MediaWiki extension? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MagicNoCache

[18:11:41]

sphery:

we're having a problem where scripts are updated on the wiki, but the not-logged-in-users' cache is never updated, so users keep downloading the old version

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sphery:

this would allow us to disable caching on the pages with scripts or similar

[18:12:24]

sphery:

(category pages, etc.)

[18:16:25]

wagnerrp:

wait... my cyberpower 1200 claims to have a single 12V/7.2Ah battery, while my APC 800 has a pair of 12V/7.0Ah?

[18:16:28]

wagnerrp:

that cant be right

[18:16:41]

wagnerrp:

that thing is way too heavy for that to be the case

[18:17:11]

wagnerrp:

no, two batteries

[18:17:20]

wagnerrp:

well thats disappointing

[18:17:35]

wagnerrp:

i bought a higher rated unit assuming it would have a longer duration

[18:18:00]

wagnerrp:

i dont need anything like that kind of power down there

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sphery:

heh, I just repeated wagnerrp's instructions to the #9590 guy

[18:21:41]

sphery:

again, too slow

[18:22:08]

wagnerrp:

by like... hours

[18:23:57]

sphery:

no flywheel?

[18:24:19]

Beirdo:

ahh, sorry, was not looking here. Yeah, we should be able to install an extension.

[18:24:42]

sphery:

thought maybe your lack of response was a response :)

[18:25:09]

sphery:

wagnerrp: thanks for asking about that transcode script

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Beirdo:

hehe, no, just doing too many things at once

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sphery:

heh, which is more important? MythTV or the paying job?

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sphery:

priorities, man

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kormoc:

sphery, Important to the users? I'd say they'd put myth over us getting paid any day....

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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sphery:

kormoc: isn't that what FOSS is all about?

[18:40:13]

sphery:

unless you're willing to do without a paycheck, you just don't get FOSS

[18:40:48]

sphery:

I don't know about you, but I get about 10x more FOSS coding done since I moved into the cardboard box under the I-95 overpass than I ever got done when I lived in a house.

[18:40:59]

iamlindoro:

And forgo your own interests and projects to serve TEH COMMUNITEH

[18:41:08]

sphery:

at least until the guy I'm stealing electricity from unplugs the extension cord...

[18:42:12]

sphery:

heh, very similar to Vork and his wifi

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wagnerrp:

oh wow

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wagnerrp:

thats a big wiki page

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adub_:

if i run mythfrontend as a regular user do i need to add them to a group or something i am unable to watch live tv i got the guide part figured out i guess it took the website a while to sync so i could get my data from the subscription to schedules direct

[19:03:05]

wagnerrp:

mythfrontend can pull any and all data from the backend

[19:03:09]

adub_:

when i hit to watch live tv it just says please... and then goes back to mthe main screen

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wagnerrp:

if you get that behavior, it typically means the backend is not configured properly

[19:03:32]

adub_:

wagnerrp so me not being able to watch live tv isnt a result of the user that is running mythfrontend

[19:03:48]

adub_:

oh ill dive back into mythsetup i have an hvr-1600

[19:04:00]

wagnerrp:

pastebin your backend logs

[19:04:22]

adub_:

ok this may take a bit have to setup irc i just setpu this new box im on irc on my laptop

[19:04:25]

adub_:

brb

[19:05:03]

wagnerrp:

http://embraceubuntu.com/2005/09/12/script-to . . . to-pastebin/

[19:05:25]

ThisNewGuy:

hey All – can anyone help with a compile error? I get the following when compiling plugins – could it be related to the recent visibility changes? http://pastebin.com/pdTkfNkH

[19:06:40]

sphery:

ThisNewGuy: unstable/development? If so, you need to make distclean in mythtv and plugins and then clean up all your system install dirs

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sphery:

the change that went in yesterday can fail if you have old stuff in place

[19:07:22]

ThisNewGuy:

sphery – sounds right – is there a list of the install dirs I need to clean up?

[19:07:38]

wagnerrp:

everything

[19:07:48]

wagnerrp:

make distclean, and then rebuild and reinstall

[19:07:52]

sphery:

clean up your libs and includes

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sphery:

in includes/mythtv/* and libs/libmyth*

[19:08:10]

wagnerrp:

there are old files that wont be overwritten?

[19:08:12]

sphery:

wherever you're installing on your system

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ThisNewGuy:

I did a make distclean but I never clean up includes or libs

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ThisNewGuy:

k – thanks

[19:09:02]

sphery:

wagnerrp: mythexp.h doesn't exist, now, so won't be overwritten

[19:09:08]

sphery:

and possibly similar

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sphery:

easiest fix is to delete all includes/libs and then compile from clean repo

[19:09:41]

sphery:

Beirdo: found the fix (with the same exact compile fail)

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adub:

wagnerrp http://paste.ubuntu.com/567796/

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Beirdo:

yeah, that was fun last night :)

[19:11:24]

Beirdo:

now I'm trying to put a wee bit of brainpower into getting the real Windows compiles liking the newfangled VS compile requirements

[19:11:27]

wagnerrp:

the HVR-1600 does not produce NUVs

[19:11:38]

wagnerrp:

it produces MPEGs

[19:12:02]

wagnerrp:

you have incorrectly configured your card as a V4L tuner, rather than an MPEG tuner

[19:12:13]

adub:

its as mpeg now though

[19:12:23]

adub:

and i tried to watch i had it as a v4l but removed that

[19:14:41]

adub:

on capture cards only mjpeg is listed no

[19:14:43]

adub:

now

[19:15:05]

adub:

now on svideo and the composites i have none configured only the tuner is configured at tuner1

[19:15:33]

adub:

i have cable setup properly through scedules now and it appears i can pull down a listing and fill the database

[19:18:09]

adub:

wagnerrp i may have solved my problem not sure yet but we'll see

[19:18:20]

adub:

i forgot to setup the general settings

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adub:

in mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

the backend will not run without going through those

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sphery:

mjpeg is wrong, too

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sphery:

you need ivtv or pvr-x50 or whatever it's called

[19:20:42]

sphery:

IVTV MPEG-2 encoder card

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sphery:

for the analog side

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adub:

so i have to have two capture cards listed

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sphery:

one for analog one for digital

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wagnerrp:

ywa

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wagnerrp:

yes

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sphery:

or, if you're using only one, only the one you're actually using

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adub:

the card does not detect under ivtv mpeg2 encoder but is listed under other settings

[19:24:41]

adub:

on ubuntu 10.04 is the driver for analog already installed see in v4l it detects the card

[19:24:46]

adub:

and i know that is for analog

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wagnerrp:

v4l is for analog framegrabbers

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adub:

ok

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wagnerrp:

and while the 1600 can operate as a framegrabber

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wagnerrp:

it will not do so on video0

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adub:

so even though it doesnt show a card for ivtv mpeg 2 just select it anyway

[19:26:02]

wagnerrp:

dont know why it wouldnt detect from the 1600

[19:26:12]

wagnerrp:

it filters by what driver is registering the device

[19:26:26]

wagnerrp:

but even on 0.23, mythtv should recognize that driver

[19:26:33]

adub:

ok got ivtv just had to point it to /dev/video0

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wagnerrp:

regardless, if it doesnt show up, manually specify the device path

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adub:

then it detects

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adub:

ya thats what i did specified path we are good there

[19:27:05]

adub:

so for digital what is the other side i need to specify

[19:27:13]

wagnerrp:

the digital side is DVB

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adub:

ok soo ill add it as dvb i think it autodetecting on that one

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adub:

brb

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adub:

ok it shows up as a samsung

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adub:

do i need to point it to a different frontendd

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wagnerrp:

it probably is a samsung

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wagnerrp:

hauppauge pieces together the board and writes the software, they dont fabricate the chips themselves

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adub:

it had a default path for the frontend can you check your settings for this card

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adub:

at least on the dvb side

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adub:

form memory you said you had this card

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wagnerrp:

no, i dont have one

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adub:

oh

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adub:

it does not have 4 listings like the analog does

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adub:

just one

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wagnerrp:

why would it?

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adub:

which makes me wonder if it is the right setting for dvb

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adub:

dunno, i was just thinking it would

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wagnerrp:

DVB is only a tuner, so there would be no inputs other than the tuner

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Wicked:

anyone in here use firewire to capture off a stb?

[19:42:46]

Wicked:

or is familiar with the workings of it?

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ThisNewGuy:

hey all – I deleted everything in /usr/local/include/myth* and /usr/local/lib/myth* then did make install in mythtv and make distclean; configure; make; make install in mythtlugins – can anyone help me with this error when I start mythfrontend: http://pastebin.com/FEr0nH2Y

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adub:

wagnnerrp i have tv thanks but no sound, lol

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adub:

i tried some external speakers as well as the tv speakers i have a 3.5. to 3.5 connection to my computers video card

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adub:

on my tv

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adub:

now on my speakers i just plug to my sound card

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wagnerrp:

3.5?

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adub:

3.5 mm jack

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adub:

just an audio deal

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adub:

im assuming maybe i did not set up sound properly i think

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wagnerrp:

you are recording off the tuner input?

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Beirdo:

failed metricization... 1/8" jack :)

[19:47:45]

wagnerrp:

if youre recording from the tuner inputs, your recordings will almost certainly have audio

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wagnerrp:

which means the problem lies in playback

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adub:

i tried live tv

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adub:

when i installed the framegraabber i would have sound

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adub:

but sound had delay then i format the linux box and insttall this card now no sound

[19:49:03]

adub:

i did not do anything special to get sound working last time it just worked

[19:49:18]

adub:

not sure on the hvr 1600 if i need to do anything specail for the sound

[19:49:36]

jarle:

hmm... my three dvb adapters registers as adapter 3,4,5, which file should I edit to get 0,1,2 instead?

[19:49:49]

wagnerrp:

jarle: delete them all and add them back

[19:50:06]

wagnerrp:

the 'delete all inputs' option will reset the numbering

[19:50:07]

jarle:

wagnerrp: this is in dmesg, not i mythtv..

[19:50:22]

wagnerrp:

then why worry about it?

[19:50:44]

jarle:

wagnerrp: just from a purity point of view..

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Beirdo:

go go gadget network.

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Beirdo:

stupid splittiness :)

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adub_:

wagnerrp any recommendations on the sound where to troubleshoot does anyone else have a hvr-1600 sound

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: thanks for the help on #9590 there. I was reading it on the way in on the bus, and by the time I got to my desk, you took care of it

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biffhero:

beirdo: wagnerrp rocks. Does he have an amazon wishlist?

[20:00:03]

Beirdo:

dunno, ask him :)

[20:00:03]

biffhero:

hey, wagner, I am feeling generous, what's your amazon list?

[20:00:38]

wagnerrp:

a new server :)

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Beirdo:

hehehe

[20:00:45]

biffhero:

would be nice to be able to donate to myth based upon lines of code, lines of IRC, all translated to time somehow.

[20:01:15]

biffhero:

I get more enjoyment out of my myth setup than the 20 a year for TV guide data suggests.

[20:01:16]

wagnerrp:

if that were the case, i would be way way way down on the pole

[20:01:40]

Beirdo:

you're pretty active on IRC though, don't sell yourself too short :)

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wagnerrp:

between various revisions of the bindings, other scripts, other C++

[20:02:01]

wagnerrp:

ive probably got about 15k lines to my name

[20:02:22]

biffhero:

you have helped me on IRC more than one time. I also wonder what if IRC was "ticketable", and people could open a ticket, search old tickets, vs. IRC. maybe a knowledge-bot.

[20:02:27]

biffhero:

Anyway, time for lunch.

[20:02:41]

wagnerrp:

from a code base currently sitting at around 1.25M lines of actual code (not including ffmpeg, themes, translations, etc...)

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Wicked:

anyone know what the NODE variable is supposed to be? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Bus_Reset_Safe_Fir . . . nnel_Changer

[20:11:30]

Wicked:

if i run: plugreport | grep 0x0025f2fffe2855c0 | awk '{if (($1 == "Node") && ($4 == "'"0x$GUID"'")) print $2}' it returns what looksl ike the wrong thing

[20:11:33]

Wicked:

it returns:

[20:11:38]

Wicked:

libiec61883 error: error reading oMPR

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Wicked:

libiec61883 error: error reading iMPR

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FabriceMG:

hello , on 0.24 fixe mythbuntu , I have this error -----> http://pastebin.com/PNPV6nKf

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wagnerrp:

cant really go anywhere without a backtrace from a build with debugging symbols

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sphery:

Wicked: sorry, I never NODE what that was for

[20:17:07]

Wicked:

lol

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sphery:

FabriceMG: if you're interested in tracking it down, please follow the instructions at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging , then run gdb with "gdb mythpreviewgen -x gdbcommands" with gdcommands having: set args --size 0x0 --chanid 1032 --starttime 20110216210508

[20:20:32]

wagnerrp:

or just run normally, wait for a core dump, and pull a backtrace from there

[20:20:40]

FabriceMG:

by defaut , PreviewPixmapOffset = 60s , I have changed to 600s (10min)

[20:20:58]

sphery:

or that (but may require enabling core dump files)

[20:21:11]

sphery:

there's no such thing as a PreviewPixmapOffset, now

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wagnerrp:

(or using an OS that doesn't unnecessarily disable them)

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sphery:

unless you're still using 0.23-fixes

[20:22:22]

sphery:

can't remember if mythpreviewgen was new to 0.23 or 0.24

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iamlindoro:

.24

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wagnerrp:

0.24 i think

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sphery:

then if that's the case, PreviewPixmapOffset is meaningless

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FabriceMG:

Basic Backtrace or Advanced Retrace?

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FabriceMG:

hummmm, mythtv-dbg mythplugins-dbg , imposble to install , package error ( broken dependency) on mythbuntu 10.10 :(

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sphery:

basic should be fine

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sphery:

is your system up to date?

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sphery:

might need an upgrade first

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tgm4883:

i dont think mythplugins-dbg exists anymore

[20:35:14]

sphery:

ohhh

[20:35:18]

FabriceMG:

yep , the last

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FabriceMG:

mythtv-dbg : Est en conflit avec: mythplugins-dbg mais 0.23.1+fixes26057–0ubuntu1 devra Ãªtre installÃ©

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tgm4883:

just do the first

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FabriceMG:

oki

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FabriceMG:

apport (pid 5439) Wed Feb 16 21:44:42 2011: called for pid 5431, signal 11

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FabriceMG:

apport (pid 5439) Wed Feb 16 21:44:42 2011: executable: /usr/bin/mythpreviewgen (command line "/usr/bin/mythpreviewgen --size 0x0 --chanid 1032 --starttime 20110216214358")

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FabriceMG:

apport (pid 5439) Wed Feb 16 21:44:53 2011: wrote report /var/crash/_usr_bin_mythpreviewgen.107.crash

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FabriceMG:

ok

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FabriceMG:

but 18.8Mo

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FabriceMG:

sphery, I have the file /var/crash/_usr_bin_mythpreviewgen.107.crash

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sphery:

FabriceMG: is there a threadstacktrace.txt?

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FabriceMG:

apport file

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sphery:

I don't know anything about apport... is there a way you can open it in some client and see the different files in it?

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sphery:

I just need to see the threadstacktrace

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** sphery is not *buntu-enabled **

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FabriceMG:

:)

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sphery:

(nor debian-enabled, if that's where it's actually from)

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FabriceMG:

give me the command line with gdb

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sphery:

you'll need to create a gdcommands, as at, http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2 , but using: set args --size 0x0 --chanid 1032 --starttime 20110216210508

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sphery:

then run: gdb mythpreviewgen -x gdbcommands

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ThisNewGuy:

hey all – can anyone help with http://pastebin.com/FEr0nH2Y

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wagnerrp:

looks like you have a bunch of old plugins installed

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ThisNewGuy:

wagnerrp: I just built them

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wagnerrp:

built them against the wrong headers?

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ThisNewGuy:

I deleted everything in /usr/local/includes/mythtv/* first

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ThisNewGuy:

is there any way to double check what they were built against?

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sphery:

ThisNewGuy: you deleted everything in includes/mythtv , then build mythtv, installed mythtv, then built and installed mythplugins?

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ThisNewGuy:

sphery: correct

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sphery:

just making sure :)

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sphery:

and you have valid so files in /usr/local/lib/mythtv/

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sphery:

er, /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins/

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ThisNewGuy:

what does valid mean?

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sphery:

non-0-size and recent timestamp is close enough of a check for now :)

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ThisNewGuy:

yup: http://pastebin.com/uSUArhG3

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sphery:

sizes look about right for a profile build

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sphery:

how about more log messages? likely something else is indicating another error

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ThisNewGuy:

any particular verbose flags I should use?

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sphery:

I'd guess you'd have something in default verbose--important,general

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ThisNewGuy:

sphery: here's the log: http://pastebin.com/xJKrjd43

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FabriceMG:

sphery, http://pastebin.com/vm3PVi3p

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sphery:

ThisNewGuy: hmmm, don't see anything to indicate what's happening

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sphery:

could try a -v all and see what happens around where it's trying to init plugins

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sphery:

don't know that there will be anything helpful, though

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sphery:

FabriceMG: which version and revision of mythtv is this? mythfrontend --version to pastebin, please

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ThisNewGuy:

-v all doesn't add anything else useful

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sphery:

:( ... figured it wouldn't help

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sphery:

I have a feeling your build is newer than mine, so I can't verify it still works properly

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Wicked:

hmm. so i added my firebox in mythtv-setup. made a generic video source with no grabber. assinged the source to the firewire...then went into the channel editor and manually added two channels that i checked and know work over firewire. When i goto live tv to test and switch the source over to the firewire....im not getting anything.

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Wicked:

i set the channel changer to this script http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/One_Tuner_Firewire_Priming_Script

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Wicked:

but i dont see the box even change channels.

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wagnerrp:

if you are using firewire capture, you dont use a channel change script

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FabriceMG:

sphery, version -> http://pastebin.com/B98RwT29 on mythbuntu 10.10

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Wicked:

any ideas on where i should look? i dont see anything obvious(to me) in the logs

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Wicked:

wagnerrp, hmm. i thought you could use one to ensure its properly primed?

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sphery:

I think you can, but it relies on having a working, properly-configured, properly-chosen-for-your-STB script

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sphery:

and I can't help with any of that :)

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Wicked:

also when i added the channels manually....is just setting the channel name and number enough? i did not set the frequency at all.

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Wicked:

well i tweaked that script...so if i manually call the script it will change the channel and attempt to prime

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sphery:

FabriceMG: ok, cool, so that's a new revision of -fixes

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sphery:

FabriceMG: the crash is happening in some MMX code

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sphery:

FabriceMG: I would say it's worth submitting a bug report--either continue through the apport method from the wiki (with the apport file you got) and it will create a ticket for Mythbuntu, who will forward it to us

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sphery:

or you can manually create a ticket on our trac (but please make sure you haven't already created a Mythbuntu ticket if you do that)

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sphery:

FabriceMG: also, please include the output of uname -a and cat /proc/cpuinfo

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sphery:

(to make sure you actually have an SSE 3-capable CPU

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Wicked:

:o removing the channel changer might have worked. that or adding the channel number under frequency

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Wicked:

now...my firewire only gets a few channels in hd..whats the best way to get channel data for them?

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sphery:

FabriceMG: and, finally, thanks for collecting the info--it will be critical to fixing the problem (and making MythTV better for all :)

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Wicked:

if i add the xmltvid will mythfill get the data?

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Wicked:

ive not assosciated that source with my SD lineup at all

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sphery:

Wicked: yep... EIT doesn't work on firewire

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Wicked:

but i am using SD on my SD input

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Wicked:

as in standard def input

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sphery:

you need a different video source for firewire than for analog or digital

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sphery:

since video source is "list of channels and tuning information"

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sphery:

tuning information differs for firewire and analog

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Wicked:

yea. i made a dummy blank video source for the firewire

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sphery:

cool

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Wicked:

with no grabber

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sphery:

you can use the same SD lineup, if required, but not same video source

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FabriceMG:

sphery, i make the ticket only if you add this patch on 0.24fixe ;) ----> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/469664

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Wicked:

since if i added my SD account...it would grab like all 900 channels

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Wicked:

im just a bit confused how i will add only the working channels i get over firewire

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Wicked:

i mean adding the SD source...then going in the channel editor and removing 900+ channels seems a bit tedious

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sphery:

fetch from grabber, then use channel editor to delete (or mark invisible) what you don't get there

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Wicked:

ekk.

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Wicked:

thats the best/only way?

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sphery:

or change lineup on SD site to include only the channels you get, then fetch from grabber, then change lineup to include channels for both video sources

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sphery:

those are the only 2 ways

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sphery:

on one or the other you have to take the time to sort out which channels are available

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sphery:

so either do it with mythtv's channel editor

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Wicked:

i thought SD only allowed you one lineup per company

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sphery:

or with SD's lineup editor :)

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sphery:

yep

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sphery:

you edit that lineup, remove the channels you have in your analog video source that you don't get on firewire

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sphery:

then you fetch channels

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sphery:

then you edit that same lineup, again, and re-add the other channels

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sphery:

basically fetch channels grabs all channels from the lineup

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sphery:

so either you make the lineup have the channels you need

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sphery:

or you get extras and delete them from mythtv

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sphery:

once you re-add the extra channels, you may also need to ensure you always call mythtv-setup with --remove-new-channels to prevent it from re-adding channels

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Wicked:

if i delete them from mythtv using the channel editor...they wont be readded next time mythfill is ran?

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sphery:

or you can mark the channels you don't get as not visible

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sphery:

that's a "question sandwich" (the answer is sandwiching the question)

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Wicked:

hmmm

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sphery:

er, mythfilldatabase --remove-new-channels

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sphery:

not mythtv-setup

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sphery:

sorry

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Wicked:

what happens when a new channel is added(by the cable co) or channel numbers are changed?

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FabriceMG:

sphery, I have an SSE 3-capable CPU

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sphery:

Wicked: you then add it to your lineup/video source as required

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** sphery wonders just how often cable co's really give out free channels as gifts **

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adub:

wow all of a sudden my /dev/video0 is not there

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sphery:

Wicked: or if you're marking channels you don't get as not visible, then it picks it up automatically. And if it picks it up automatically and schedules something on it, and it turns out you don't get it, you either record garbage (on an analog tuner) and/or lock up your STB by tuning a channel that pops up a dialog saying, "Please press Guide to subscribe to this wonderful channel." or ...

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** sphery *never* lets his system tune a channel that hasn't been fully vetted **

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adub:

sphery why would /dev/video0 just disappear all of a sudden

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Wicked:

hmm

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Wicked:

how exactly do i mark it as invisible?

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Wicked:

i dont see any option in mythtv-setup under channel editor

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uW:

adub: i have a 1600 and no audio issues for me..

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Wicked:

oh. its a checkbox called visible

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adub:

uM not sure are you outputting the audio through the sound card on your computer

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Wicked:

this is gonna be horribly tedious

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Wicked:

wish there was a quick way to do it.

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sphery:

adub: all of which sudden? like while using it for capture or when the system is idling or after a suspend or after a reboot or ?

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adub:

uM now i have a bigger problem /dev/video0 has just disappeared for whatever reason

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adub:

after installing lastest alsa driver and rebooting

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sphery:

Wicked: mythweb channel editor...

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uW:

adub: playing hide n go seek?

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sphery:

(and proper PHP configuration)

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Wicked:

hmm

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Wicked:

that may be easier

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adub:

ya /dev/video0 is gone

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sphery:

adub: did you somehow get a new kernel (and, therefore, need new ivtv module)?

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uW:

adub: is the cx18 mod loaded?

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adub:

v4l2_common 15431 2 cx18,cx2341x

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adub:

ir_common 38875 1 cx18

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adub:

tveeprom 11102 1 cx18

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adub:

sphery no new kernel

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adub:

sometimes linux just gives me a headache its like an ongoing battle but im not complaining

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adub:

ill fight through this

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justinh:

yay that's the spirit

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uW:

so is this in myth or on the linux side

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adub:

yes

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adub:

im on linux wouldnt have it any other way

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adub:

but why o why would /dev/video0 just suddenly disappears

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Wicked:

hmm ok. so i got mythweb installed and working

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Wicked:

at least it seemed to have been

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Wicked:

it just failed to load mythweb/tv/list

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Wicked:

where would the channel editor be in mythweb? im looking and dont see it

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justinh:

settings

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Wicked:

yea i dont see it under any of the sub menus in there

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Wicked:

perhaps im overlooking it

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uW:

adub: just for the fun of it..shutdown reseat the card and pastebin your dmesg

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adub:

uW

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adub:

ok i will do that

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Wicked:

hmm. i see soem channel info under settings -> tv -> channel info.

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Wicked:

but im not seeing where it specifies what source its for(ie normal cable or my firewire)

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Wicked:

would sourceid be it?

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ThisNewGuy:

sphery: is there any way to confirm that functions like mythplugin_init are being exported? It looks like it's failing when mythplugin tries to resolve "mythplugin_init"

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sphery:

ThisNewGuy: hmmm... that may be due to the mythexport changes

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Wicked:

hmm

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Wicked:

before i mess up my database. is the sourceid the input?

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Wicked:

ie normal cable and firewire?

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Wicked:

:|

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adub:

http://paste.ubuntu.com/567864/ uW

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adub:

thanks for looking into this btw

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sphery:

ThisNewGuy: heh, I think you're right... nm -gC /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins/libmythmusic.so (and even without -g or -C)

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adub:

uW definitely an odd problem none the less

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sphery:

let me try starting mythfrontend

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adub:

i did install some plugins for my browser flash i think gstreamer of some sort

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sphery:

I think the change accidentally--and for the first time ever--started using symbol visibility on mythplugins

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sphery:

Beirdo: ^^^ (about symvis/mythplugins)

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Wicked:

sphery, any idea if the sourceid is what i want to sort by? ie...whats associated with what input?

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Wicked:

im fairly sure it is. but before i go messing around id like to verify it is

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sphery:

sort by?

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sphery:

for what?

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Beirdo:

hmm?

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Wicked:

yes. in mythweb. settings -> tv -> channel info

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sphery:

ahhh

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Wicked:

so i can mark the channels i dont get via firewire as invisible

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sphery:

Wicked: source id is video source ID

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sphery:

Wicked: so you just want to edit channels for you firewire source

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uW:

adub: np

[21:55:31]

Wicked:

right. thats what i thought.

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Wicked:

thanks

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Wicked:

i just needed some confirmation before i fubar my db

[21:55:49]

Wicked:

or could haev fubar'ed it

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Wicked:

darn my cable co for providing so many channels! ;)

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sphery:

Wicked: always smart to backup db before these types of exercises: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore

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sphery:

:)

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Wicked:

yea. i should have some. i run that as a cronjob...but would rather not just jump in and do something and have to reload the db.

[22:00:00]

Wicked:

:)

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sphery:

I would say that jpabq- is encountering a case of the Comcasts, if his hostname weren't qwest.net

[22:01:03]

uW:

adub: there is a failure starting at 12.235200 into the boot..also i think there is some stuff missing from the paste, i think your scroll back didn't go all the way to the beginning, can you try again, maybe pipe it to a file or use the pastebin script

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adub:

uM i did scroll from bottom to top ill do it again though

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uW:

adub: there should be stuff at 0.0..do a dmesg | less

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uW:

adub: just to check

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adub:

uM how would i send the dmesg to a file

[22:04:08]

adub:

sorry

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adub:

for so many questions on this

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uW:

adub: no worries.. dmesg > d.txt

[22:06:57]

adub:

http://paste.ubuntu.com/567873/

[22:07:54]

uW:

adub: cool

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adub:

:)

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bbeattie:

Anyone else notice that the nvidia ion doesn't report MPEG4 support? vainfo returns mpeg2, vc1, and h264 but not mpeg4....

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kormoc:

bbeattie, and?

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bbeattie:

sucks for anyone transcoding tv to mpeg4...

[22:12:41]

bbeattie:

have to stick to mpeg2

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kormoc:

or h264

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kormoc:

which is the better choice most of the time anyway

[22:15:02]

wagnerrp:

why would you want to transcode to mpeg4asp anyway?

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uW:

adub: there are some acpi errors that most likely might be the cause for the card disappearing, if i'm wrong please some in the channel correct me

[22:20:02]

uW:

adub: it might be to the version of the kernel you are on

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adub:

i just removed the gstreamer stuff i think i installed i went to eye4u.com and was prompted to install plugins

[22:20:50]

adub:

thats the last time i remember it working i just installed gstreamer im going to reboot and see

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sphery:

bbeattie: and with 2TB HDDs from $60 – $100, depending on sales, MPEG2 isn't a problem--2TB is enough for at least 300hours of HDTV MPEG-2 (assuming a nice average bitrate of around 14Mbps)

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wagnerrp:

more so if you intend to store it long term, and clip commercials

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adub:

linux is weird sometime uW removed gstreamer package and i have 3 video devices showing

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wagnerrp:

a lossless transcode may save 30%

[22:23:03]

adub:

video0 video24 and video32

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adub:

so gstreamer magically caused it to disappear is my only explaination

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wagnerrp:

and on that scale, remuxing to mkv may save a further half GB

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wagnerrp:

adub: gstreamer is userland, v4l/ivtv is kernelland

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wagnerrp:

i dont know how gstreamer would be able to affect your tuner drivers in any manner

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uW:

adub: interesting..it shouldn't have matter right wagnerrp

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** sphery is drowning in MythUI ignorance **

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wagnerrp:

further, video0 is the MPEG2 output, and the only one you should care about

[22:25:05]

wagnerrp:

32 is the framegrabber, 24 is... i dont know what

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wagnerrp:

then theres additional audio and vbi interfaces

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uW:

gstreamer..wow i don't get it

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adub:

guys now need to work on the sound thing i installed latest alsa i am thinking maybe it is a speaker issue not sure i dont remember if tehse speakers worked or not im sure they worked though

[22:26:21]

adub:

and i just use the sound in my sound card im assuming

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adub:

like my computer sound just isnt working

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uW:

try speaker-test

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adub:

not hearing anything

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adub:

but i know these speakers work with the tv

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uW:

how are the speakers connected?

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uW:

via the motherboard

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adub:

ya they are integreted

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adub:

i have a dual channel audio cable from the card to the speakers on the lcd tv

[22:29:17]

adub:

there is a jack for it

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adub:

i also have another set of speakers i have plugged in they typically work as well the speakers

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uW:

check alsamixer make sure its not muted

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adub:

did that

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adub:

uW im showing an hdmi audio controller i could go that route

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wagnerrp:

what video card?

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adub:

but from memory last time i could not get that working either

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adub:

its nvidia

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adub:

VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GT215 [GeForce GT 240] (re

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wagnerrp:

yes, you can use that

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uW:

should be fine

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adub:

so just use hdmi for audio and video

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uW:

if i remember correctly you should see the hdmi audio in the alsamixer (F6)

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uW:

adub: are u running mythbuntu..or ubuntu with myth installed

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adub_:

ubuntu with myth installed

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adub_:

this thing is a crap pile hdmi does not work either for the sound

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adub_:

now the /dev/video0 and other videos are gone after reboot

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adub_:

hdmi sound does not work

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adub_:

when i hook a laptop i have upt to the tv and run the sound through it it works fine

[22:49:09]

adub_:

so i have 20 kinds of problems

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wagnerrp:

no, just one

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adub_:

also mythbuntu as an OS just wont install the ONLY way i can get linux on here is if i use 10.04

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wagnerrp:

by the name of pulseaudio

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adub_:

so pulseaudio is screwing even the video up

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adub_:

ubuntu 10.10 will not even come close to working as the video drivers are jacked all to hell for my video card

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wagnerrp:

its likely the cause of all your audio output problems

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uW:

for the video disappearing i'm going with the acpi issues

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Wicked:

hmmm. just realized mythtv thinks that my firewire and pvr-150 are on different boxes and is trying to record two things at once

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Wicked:

which it cant because they are both on the same box

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Wicked:

lol

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Wicked:

how can i make it so mythtv knows it cannot use both at the same time?

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clever:

Wicked: i believe you need to set the input group id to match

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clever:

somewhere in mythtv-setup

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Wicked:

hmm

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Wicked:

i cant seem to change it from generic

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Wicked:

i see where i should change that setting...but i cannot change it

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Wicked:

ah. i see you need to crate one

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Thursday, February 17th, 2011

[00:03:58]

mianos:

is there some way to shut myth down remotely?

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mianos:

maybe ssh and kill off the frontend and let it drop ti mythwelcome

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wagnerrp:

you could do that, yes

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mianos:

is there a known way to determine the front end is idle?

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mianos:

scrape http://mythtv/mythweb/status

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wagnerrp:

connect to the frontend control interface, query the location

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kormoc:

mythweb's status is the backend

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mianos:

yes I just realised

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Beirdo:

kormoc: I must go to: http://www.shooflypiecompany.com/index.html

[00:06:30]

kormoc:

Yes, yes you must!

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Beirdo:

mmmm, pie!

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mianos:

I could see the tuners being used

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mianos:

but it would still kill off a video playing

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Beirdo:

will be a bit of a weekend trek, I guess. West Seattle's not the most non-car-accessible place

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kormoc:

Mmm.. Shoofly... Strawberry Rhubarb... Key Lime... Lemon Meringue...

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Beirdo:

yeah, they seem to have all of the great ones :)

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Beirdo:

pecan pie made with bourbon

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kormoc:

Beirdo, they're right on the 54/55 line, no?

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Beirdo:

might be. I'll be investigating for sure

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Beirdo:

looks like it

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Beirdo:

about 1min off the 55

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wagnerrp:

woo!

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wagnerrp:

building something on my laptop, just hit 85C

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mianos:

query location is the key, thanks

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Beirdo:

mmm, pie!

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Unhelpful:

wagnerrp: time for a laptop cooler maybe? i hope, at least, that you don't actually put the laptop *on your lap*.

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mianos:

the remote control interface is pretty good

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mianos:

a bit of python and the idle shutdown problem will be solved easy as

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mianos:

jump mainmenu

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mianos:

and a few key strokes

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mianos:

rockin

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wagnerrp:

mianos: if youre doing this in python, ive got access to the control interface set up in the python bindings

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mianos:

got a pointer? it's pretty simple I was just going to whip something up

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mianos:

but if you want I can use your stuff and give it away

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/0.24_Python_Bindings , perhaps?

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kormoc:

mianos, why wouldn't you just use the bindings that are already installed on your box and make your life easier?

[00:43:00]

kormoc:

I mean really... reinventing the wheel has to get old sometime...

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mianos:

because I want to talk to the frontend

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kormoc:

mianos, and the bindings installed on your box right now can talk to the frontend...

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mianos:

the remote control interface

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wagnerrp:

yes, the bindings should be installed with any mythtv install

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kormoc:

mianos, and the bindings installed on your box right now can talk to the remote control interface on the frontend...

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mianos:

ok, as I said

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mianos:

I'l use them if I can see them

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** kormoc blinks **

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sphery:

perhaps mianos doesn't like being bound

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/0.24_Python_Bindings

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mianos:

no problem using something that's there

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wagnerrp:

well whatever you do, dont use any 'telnet' client

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mianos:

sphery, no mention of remote or control there

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kormoc:

they're open source... you can just look at the source...

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mianos:

ok

[00:44:58]

mianos:

how abotu it's 5 lines in python to talk to the remote

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/0.24_Python_bindin . . . ers#Frontend

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kormoc:

mianos, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/0.24_Python_bindin . . . ers#Frontend

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** sphery wonders if he should keep clicking for mianos ;) **

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kormoc:

mianos, and when you crash the frontend by doing it that way, don't complain to us...

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mianos:

ok

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mianos:

I'll use that stuff posted then

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mianos:

gotta go to pilates then back to computa

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: have you tried compiling mythtv with --disable-symbol-visibilty, then compiling mythplugins

[02:17:14]

GreyFoxx:

No

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: seems there was a half-complete conversion of mythplugins to use symbol visibilty in Dec

[02:17:41]

sphery:

and this just "completed" it (but without actually defining mythplugin_init() as public

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GreyFoxx:

but I did attempt to recompile without --enable-symbol-visibility in my configure line and it failed in programs/mythavtest

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sphery:

yeah, --enable-symbol-visibility has since been made default

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sphery:

so you need an explicit disable

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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GreyFoxx:

ok

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sphery:

(that was changed shortly after 0.24)

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sphery:

might be easier than a revert--if nothing else, it's all computer time versus your time figuring out the revert :)

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GreyFoxx:

I have it compiling now, we shall see.

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GreyFoxx:

I'm gonna go out with the telescope and let it do it's thing :)

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sphery:

and I expect it to, but if^H^Hwhen it works, feel free to mention it in #mythtv to "close out" the comment :)

[02:20:13]

sphery:

Beirdo and I argued for a while about what was causing the failure to make mythplugin_init() visible, and in our point/counter-point, we figured out exactly what happened

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sphery:

now it's just a matter of someone doing up a *exp.h for each plugin and enabling it in the *.pro files

[02:20:58]

sphery:

(and making mythplugin_init() public)

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sphery:

I guess--since I'm now done with dinner--I can start.

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lucidblue:

hi all, I'm hoping you can help... someone from this channel once directed me to this how-to: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frontend_Auto_Login

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lucidblue:

which worked great since I've put it in place, but I'd never tested that it would 'respawn' if mythfrontend died... I've had it happen twice lately and it's not working... since the machine doesn't have a keyboard or mouse, I have to restart it, doesn't anyone have any ideas?

[02:30:22]

wagnerrp:

the terminal manager is supposed to respawn the login

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wagnerrp:

the only reason it would stop doing so is if it detected a loop

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wagnerrp:

where it was running far too often

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lucidblue:

wagnerrp: what might a log entry look like for that?

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wagnerrp:

maybe the user log?

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lucidblue:

wagnerrp: this is if I run ps aux | grep tty, not sure if it says it's still running then? http://mandriva.pastebin.com/j4CawHZH

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lucidblue:

wagnerrp: where might I find that?

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wagnerrp:

'last'

[02:44:51]

lucidblue:

thanks

[02:45:04]

lucidblue:

I do see an entry lik this for instance: lucidblu tty7 Thu Feb 3 18:54 – crash (2+16:46)

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lucidblue:

nothing recent though... I did see where mythfrontend segfaulted... not sure why, also noticed that the log was going to the wrong spot, so I fixed that for next time...

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lucidblue:

not sure, I'll have to restart for now I guess... brb

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bonelifer:

well, figured out why I couldn't get metadata for Conan(TBS). Apparently they are number seasons by year. So currently we're on Season 2011. Wishes the box to enter the season in the metadata box was a text area so I didn't have to sit their while it scrolled. http://forums.thetvdb.com/viewtopic.php?f=12& . . . ;hilit=Conan

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bonelifer:

Is there some sort of thing I could add to ttvdb.conf to map this weirdness?

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lucidblue:

wagnerrp: this is the ps output with everything running correctly I guess: http://mandriva.pastebin.com/qHC67YUU

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lucidblue:

anything look odd?

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lucidblue:

Oh... they're both in there by the way, before and after

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wagnerrp:

lucidblue: that user 10001 is a bit of a problem

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wagnerrp:

you seem to be running on a user that doesnt have an account

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lucidblue:

wagnerrp: why? that's my UID

[03:16:06]

wagnerrp:

it should be named

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wagnerrp:

not numbered

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lucidblue:

how so? do you mean since it's showing the UID instead of the name?

[03:16:38]

lucidblue:

ps shows all user's that way, maybe it's alias'd?

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wagnerrp:

but its showing root as root, not user 0

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lucidblue:

odd I guess...

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lucidblue:

I'll ask my distro channel

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lucidblue:

wagnerrp: huh, I guess that's just the way it is in this distro... do you know where they get renamed? ... I know file permissions show the correct user/group nameing (unless they aren't known to the system)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: during final jeopardy, jennings welcomed our new computer overlords

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, yeah, I saw that

[03:35:24]

sphery:

I was upset--I was planning on saying the same to you in here until he stole my joke

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sphery:

ThisNewGuy / GreyFoxx: FWIW, plugins should be working with latest. Need a make distclean

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: do we have any exit-code-to-string bit for mythsystem?

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Beirdo:

nope

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wagnerrp:

i want to get rid of all these 'what does it mean when i fail with status xxx' threads

[03:56:25]

Beirdo:

it means "read the code, you lazy user"

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wagnerrp:

and i figure something like that would be equally useful when i eventually rewrite it

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

yeah, we should add some exitcode->string stuff

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Beirdo:

not tonight though :) at least not me

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Beirdo:

I also have to check for all uses of exit()

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sphery:

wagnerrp: that would be awesome

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Beirdo:

and take any exit codes used there and put them back below 256

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Beirdo:

sigh

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sphery:

wagnerrp: also, we need some way to deal with exit codes > 255 (since many apps have them)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: do they? i thought it was only one byte

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Beirdo:

nope

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Beirdo:

no exit codes > 255

[03:58:48]

Beirdo:

which is why I just said I need to adjust some :)

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wagnerrp:

unix and dos are both 8-bit unsigned

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bonelifer:

tvnamer will make my Conan problem much less at least.

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sphery:

Beirdo: doesn't https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . /exitcodes.h say it does

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sphery:

i.e. #define GENERIC_EXIT_START 276

[04:00:08]

Beirdo:

sphery: yeah, but it will not actually return that

[04:00:16]

Beirdo:

it will return the bottom 8 bits

[04:00:39]

Beirdo:

which is why they need to be audited

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sphery:

so those are all unique after only bottom 8 bits

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sphery:

or you're saying what I am--that the shell will bork it?

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Beirdo:

if you do exit(276), glibc strips it down to 8 bits AFAIK

[04:01:34]

sphery:

right

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Beirdo:

so it's the same as exit(20)

[04:01:45]

sphery:

so was that something we planned for when exitcodes.h was made

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Beirdo:

originally, but then I forgot

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sphery:

or are our apps attempting to make use of > 255 exit codes

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Beirdo:

the latter

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sphery:

yeah, so we either need to handle that better (if there's some way?) or fix our exit codes :)

[04:02:41]

Beirdo:

agreed

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Beirdo:

and you're gonna bug me until I do it :)

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Beirdo:

heheh

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sphery:

heh

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Beirdo:

which is a good thing

[04:03:18]

sphery:

it's lower priority for me than the new logger you're writing

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sphery:

oh, wait, have I told you you're writing that, yet?

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wagnerrp:

new logger?

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Beirdo:

yes, new logger :)

[04:04:34]

wagnerrp:

what for?

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Beirdo:

and I haven't started yet.

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sphery:

yeah, VERBOSE() sends strings to a stack/list, which is then processed by one or more logging providers

[04:04:42]

Beirdo:

better logging

[04:04:51]

sphery:

so that VERBOSE will actually work with DB logging

[04:04:57]

wagnerrp:

ah

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Beirdo:

and syslog

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sphery:

instead of having 2 separate things for them

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sphery:

making db logging useless

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Beirdo:

and colorized (if we want it) on the console, etc

[04:05:20]

sphery:

and, yeah, syslog--so you don't have to have a boneheaded setup where a non-privileged user writes to /var/log

[04:05:29]

** sphery writes to /home/mythtv/log/ **

[04:05:34]

sphery:

yep

[04:05:34]

wagnerrp:

well let me know your plans, and ill probably adapt mine to follow suit

[04:05:52]

sphery:

wagnerrp: other option is for you to just do this one for me, too :)

[04:05:56]

sphery:

heh

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Beirdo:

Yeah, sounds good. I have a working system for the bot, but it would need rework for myth, bigtime

[04:06:35]

sphery:

and some or all of the logging providers could be asynchronous

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** wagnerrp wants colorized log files **

[04:06:54]

sphery:

so, for example, db logging could push them in more than one at a time

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Beirdo:

and a debug log... with thread id, file, line if we want

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

hard part is we have a very complex VERBOSE() macro that uses different logging types depending on compile type

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sphery:

with non-locking, mutex-locked, etc.

[04:08:08]

sphery:

and I fear that if we add functions into the mix, someone will complain "it's too slow"

[04:08:53]

sphery:

Beirdo: so, the VERBOSE macro gets inserted basically as a copy/paste inline to functions for each use, right?

[04:09:11]

Beirdo:

yes

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sphery:

if so, I'd think our over-inlining may actually be preventing a lot of compiler optimizations

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sphery:

i.e. we may have optimized it to the point of less-optimization

[04:09:34]

Beirdo:

quite possibly

[04:09:53]

wagnerrp:

ever take a look at the xbmc wiki?

[04:10:08]

Beirdo:

I try to pretend they don't exist

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wagnerrp:

they really need more admins

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

we have some amazing wiki admins

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wagnerrp:

i swear, like 15% of their pages are spam

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sphery:

even if they can't solve the __NOCACHE__ problems

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sphery:

;)

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sphery:

but, seriously, you guys who keep watching over our wiki pages are doing great

[04:10:53]

Beirdo:

you got a pointer to that extension?

[04:11:03]

sphery:

Beirdo: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MagicNoCache

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sphery:

it's a download off the wiki page thing--like our wiki scripts :)

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Beirdo:

gracias

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wagnerrp:

every time i check their recent changes, theres at least once new spam page

[04:11:37]

wagnerrp:

and rarely see them getting deleted

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sphery:

nice

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sphery:

yeah, wikis are great--when you have people who do a good job moderating them

[04:12:11]

sphery:

but far too many wikis are just free-for-all word fests

[04:12:15]

sphery:

with everything from user complaints

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sphery:

to false info

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sphery:

to spamm

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sphery:

glad we have you guys watching ours

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wagnerrp:

based off hitting 'random page'... it has to be somewhere over 10%

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Beirdo:

done

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Beirdo:

you now should have MagicNoCache

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, missed the seconds increment, too

[04:15:18]

sphery:

sorry, had I seen that, could have saved the e-mails

[04:15:25]

sphery:

Beirdo: thanks

[04:15:50]

Beirdo:

no prob

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wagnerrp:

now we just need to manually refresh all those pages

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sphery:

where do we need to put it?

[04:16:40]

sphery:

or did you already put it in the codebox or some template?

[04:16:41]

wagnerrp:

done

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sphery:

nice

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sphery:

mr efficiency

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sphery:

so purge cache for all script pages?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

if so, I can take a couple categories and help

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wagnerrp:

if anyone knows how to send POST data in python, i could do it all in one shot

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[R]:

wagnerrp: curl?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: send a logged-in cookie :)

[04:19:32]

sphery:

then no post

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wagnerrp:

if anyone knows how to send cookies in python, i could do it all in one shot

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

do you know how to send request headers?

[04:20:07]

sphery:

if so, I'll give you cookie format

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[R]:

just use curl...

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sphery:

basically: Cookie: mythwikiUserName=wagnerrp ; mythwikiUserID=123 ; mythwikiToken=53dbc39cb84bdd9d111cf133319b2f0b

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sphery:

ooh, might need the mythwiki_session, too: mythwiki_session=4ce34017f8ca6e5ec1268f9252660df1

[04:23:48]

sphery:

(and, no, those aren't my token/session values--those are recent commit has abbrev's :)

[04:23:58]

wagnerrp:

whats the refresh tag?

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sphery:

?action=purge

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wagnerrp:

you see any pages that need a purge?

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sphery:

don't know how I'd tell

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wagnerrp:

well lets run the script and see what happens...

[04:26:32]

sphery:

wait

[04:26:40]

sphery:

what about that one the user on list had issues with

[04:26:47]

sphery:

did you manually refresh that earlier?

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wagnerrp:

seems its been updated

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sphery:

ahh

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wagnerrp:

dont recall if i did

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sphery:

I may have

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sphery:

wait

[04:27:15]

sphery:

think I have one

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sphery:

nope

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sphery:

someone purged it

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sphery:

maybe you--with script?

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sphery:

maybe not

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wagnerrp:

havent run it yet

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sphery:

yeah, not really seeing any that need it'

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sphery:

much harder to check, now, since you can't use different domains for logged in/logged out

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wagnerrp:

hopefully we wont... just ran the script

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sphery:

(it redirects mythtv.org to www.mythtv.org)

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sphery:

well, we'll find out if it's working, eventually :)

[04:33:52]

sphery:

heh, starting to think I made a boneheaded mistake

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sphery:

wagnerrp: did you nocache the category pages, too?

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wagnerrp:

no, forgot to do those

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wagnerrp:

shouldnt matter for the script at least

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt read the category pages

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wagnerrp:

it reads the 'what links here' of the template to find the individual script pages

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: by the way, the new server is /much/ faster

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wagnerrp:

20 seconds to load, down from 76

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Beirdo:

niiice

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sphery:

yeah, category pages would be useful mainly for users who browse the wiki not logged in

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sphery:

the cat pages get way out of sync

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sphery:

release notes category is another possible one

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sphery:

(scripts and release notes would be the ones I recommend)

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wagnerrp:

main page

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sphery:

does it change often?

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wagnerrp:

the news does

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sphery:

technically release notes doesn't change often, but we seem to forget it (at least we had since 0.22)

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wagnerrp:

but thats a separate template

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