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| [00:41:55] | Methuselah: | I am trying to submit an enhancement to lirc, haven't done this before. Should I use diff on the source folder, or do it on individual files. There is 4 updated files. Sorry I am a noob, appreciate any help. |
| [00:43:03] | [R]: | i hear lirc has their own channel... |
| [00:43:07] | [R]: | this isn't lirc developemnt channel |
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| [00:58:05] | kormoc: | [R], Give the meth user a break! Meth is a heck of a drug |
| [00:58:15] | [R]: | haha |
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| [01:00:10] | JEDIDIAH__: | kormoc is going senile... |
| [01:00:46] | ** kormoc raises an eyebrow at JEDIDIAH__ ** | |
| [01:01:08] | JEDIDIAH__: | they say the mind is the first to go. |
| [01:01:25] | JEDIDIAH__: | Although that's probably more true for someone named methuselah. |
| [01:01:42] | kormoc: | I know a pop culture reference from 2005 is a bit too new for you, but I had no idea you'd be so vocal about it. |
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| [01:15:44] | Methuselah: | why do you think i asked you guys, you know how to party! Anyways, #lirc takes like 5 days for someone to answer you. I wanted to wrap this up tonight. |
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| [01:31:25] | kisak: | kormoc: ping? |
| [01:31:47] | JEDIDIAH__: | well. A quick response doesn't mean you'll get one that you want or one that you can use. |
| [01:32:37] | kormoc: | Methuselah, root of the source folder is best |
| [01:32:40] | kormoc: | kisak, pong |
| [01:32:43] | kisak: | kormoc: are you maintaining the set of gentoo ebuilds for mythtv? |
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| [01:32:52] | kormoc: | kisak, yes |
| [01:33:00] | kormoc: | kisak, at least the mythtv.org ones |
| [01:33:12] | kisak: | kormoc: what are the odds mythweb could be added to that set? |
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| [01:34:12] | kormoc: | kisak, I don't have plans to anytime soon but if someone submitted one, we'd use it |
| [01:35:16] | kisak: | kormoc: fair enough |
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| [02:38:11] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: that selfupdate thing is pretty cool |
| [02:38:16] | wagnerrp: | never knew portage would do that |
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| [02:41:23] | wagnerrp: | Cardoe: you around? |
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| [02:41:47] | wagnerrp: | !seem Cardoe |
| [02:41:54] | wagnerrp: | !seen Cardoe |
| [02:41:54] | MythLogBot: | Cardoe is here and has been idle for 6 days 11 hours 19 minutes 55 seconds |
| [02:42:00] | wagnerrp: | oof... guess not |
| [02:42:27] | Beirdo: | A-Team time! |
| [02:42:41] | wagnerrp: | is that already out in stores? |
| [02:43:00] | Beirdo: | no clue, I'm watching the show :) |
| [02:43:06] | wagnerrp: | oh |
| [02:43:25] | wagnerrp: | december 14th it seems |
| [02:43:35] | wagnerrp: | wait... who still plays the show? |
| [02:43:44] | Beirdo: | RTV, Centric both |
| [02:44:00] | Beirdo: | Centric being either a rename or an offshoot of BET |
| [02:44:06] | wagnerrp: | who did i used to watch reruns on? |
| [02:44:17] | wagnerrp: | it was before our carrier got tvland |
| [02:44:20] | Beirdo: | Seems Mr. T makes it a black-related show |
| [02:44:31] | wagnerrp: | maybe USA? or FX? |
| [02:46:38] | wagnerrp: | you know... they only made like three episodes of that show |
| [02:46:40] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [02:48:15] | Beirdo: | they made like 6 seasons, but it does seem that way, doesn't it? |
| [02:48:22] | wagnerrp: | theres the episode where theyre helping the downtrodden locals from a wealthy land owner, so they build a tank, flip some bad guys cars, waste a lot of rounds shooting nothing, and the plan comes together |
| [02:49:00] | wagnerrp: | theres the episode where theyre helping the downtrodden locals from a warlord, one of them gets captured, so the rest build a tank, flip some bad guys cars, waste a lot of rounds shooting nothing, and the plan comes together |
| [02:49:07] | Beirdo: | and the one where Murdoch saves their butts with a stolen helicopter |
| [02:50:02] | wagnerrp: | and theres the episode where decker captures them, but doesnt know about murdoch, so murdoch builds a flying tank, flips some bad guys cars, wastes a lot of rounds shooting nothing, the drug mr.t. to get him on the aircraft, and the plan comes together |
| [02:50:13] | Beirdo: | yup :) |
| [02:50:32] | Beirdo: | may have been predictable, but man was it popular |
| [02:50:43] | wagnerrp: | those three episodes were great |
| [02:51:02] | Beirdo: | don't forget the show with random cameos... Hulk Hogan or Joe Naimath, etc |
| [02:51:53] | wagnerrp: | wasnt there some CIA guy who started sending them on missions at the end? |
| [02:52:06] | Beirdo: | General Stockwell. |
| [02:52:14] | Beirdo: | yeah, watching one of those ones right now |
| [02:52:36] | Beirdo: | with the added Latino in the team |
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| [02:55:17] | wagnerrp: | wow, thats... so not right |
| [02:55:22] | wagnerrp: | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0504242/ |
| [02:56:02] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
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| [03:04:31] | wagnerrp: | !seen [R] |
| [03:04:31] | MythLogBot: | [R] is here and has been idle for 2 hours 6 minutes 16 seconds |
| [03:04:47] | [R]: | yes? |
| [03:05:09] | wagnerrp: | i figured out why mythfs will spuriously drop the connection and stop streaming video |
| [03:05:45] | wagnerrp: | well rather i figured out what causes it, i have yet to figure out why |
| [03:05:58] | wagnerrp: | the bindings are barfing on PIXMAP broadcasts |
| [03:05:58] | [R]: | oh |
| [03:06:07] | [R]: | i switched to upnp |
| [03:06:25] | wagnerrp: | initial guess seems its sending more data then the protocol claims |
| [03:06:44] | wagnerrp: | or ive got some arbitrary limit in the bindings on how much information i can pull in one command |
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| [03:18:13] | simcop2387: | what's the going solution for streaming videos over the web/ssh/anything other than the frontend? |
| [03:18:28] | wagnerrp: | mythweb and flash streaming |
| [03:18:52] | simcop2387: | does that do commercial skipping? (not a requirement but a plus) |
| [03:21:08] | wagnerrp: | it streams the recording as is |
| [03:21:21] | wagnerrp: | if you have marked and transcoded the commercials out, it will 'skip' the commercials |
| [03:22:59] | kisak: | with 0.23.1 and commflag + transcode, I experienced an audio desync at cutpoints when played through mythweb |
| [03:23:31] | kisak: | and I haven't had mythweb up and running since moving to 0.24-fixes |
| [03:24:16] | wagnerrp: | likely because youre using too old a version of PHP |
| [03:24:33] | kisak: | how old is considered old? |
| [03:25:07] | wagnerrp: | anything less than 5.3 |
| [03:25:39] | kisak: | iirc it was 5.2 series at the time because gallery crapped out with 5.3 |
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| [03:41:23] | kisak: | well, I mine as well manually insert mythweb into htdocs |
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| [03:41:48] | adub: | wagerrp so hvr-1600 is the card i purchased |
| [03:41:59] | adub: | ebay $40 usd shipped seems like a solid price |
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| [04:02:33] | kisak: | did mythweb get left behind when everything else was switched to git? |
| [04:05:07] | kisak: | nevermind, found it |
| [04:12:36] | kisak: | !seen xris |
| [04:12:36] | MythLogBot: | xris is here and has been idle for 6 days 10 hours 19 minutes 38 seconds |
| [04:13:26] | wagnerrp: | mythweb was moved to a separate repository to better suit the habits of the main developer |
| [04:13:55] | wagnerrp: | since git only operates as full repositories, rather than being ablt to check out individual folders |
| [04:14:09] | wagnerrp: | it does not work well with having a dozen copies |
| [04:14:55] | wagnerrp: | with branching, and git-new-workdir, it may have been an unnecessary change |
| [04:15:02] | wagnerrp: | but its done, and theres not really any sense undoing it |
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| [05:04:23] | darkdrgn2k: | hey guys |
| [05:04:27] | darkdrgn2k: | second time this has happend to me |
| [05:04:38] | darkdrgn2k: | slave backen is running, but the tuner is disconnected |
| [05:04:48] | darkdrgn2k: | restarting the mythbackeon on that pc fixes it |
| [05:04:53] | darkdrgn2k: | in the backend log i see |
| [05:04:53] | darkdrgn2k: | http://pastebin.com/aBqFuQNx |
| [05:05:04] | darkdrgn2k: | "Error in my_thread_global_end(): 1 threads didn't exit" |
| [05:06:46] | wagnerrp: | thats when youre closing the slave backend? |
| [05:06:52] | darkdrgn2k: | no |
| [05:06:56] | darkdrgn2k: | thast before i do anything |
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| [05:07:08] | darkdrgn2k: | the backend seems to still be running |
| [05:07:16] | darkdrgn2k: | but thast the last msg in the log |
| [05:07:18] | [R]: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjAiNh0dvJs |
| [05:07:23] | [R]: | i don't understand videos like this |
| [05:07:34] | darkdrgn2k: | and the master backend shows the tuner on the slave is not connected |
| [05:08:31] | wagnerrp: | mr.jake is showing everyone that he is a spoiled little 13yr old |
| [05:08:55] | wagnerrp: | seriously... WTF is he doing getting a $500 phone |
| [05:09:33] | darkdrgn2k: | he cant even hold the camera steady |
| [05:10:24] | darkdrgn2k: | "30 pin usb sync cable" LMAO last i checked usb only had 4 wiers... i love apple |
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| [05:10:48] | wagnerrp: | dont forget ground |
| [05:10:59] | darkdrgn2k: | LOL right |
| [05:11:15] | darkdrgn2k: | 30/5=6 times the wires in the apple |
| [05:11:23] | [R]: | i saw an even better one |
| [05:11:31] | [R]: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgzn8KZhMkk |
| [05:11:33] | [R]: | oh so informative |
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| [05:12:12] | [R]: | "other than that, it's just a box with an amazing phone in it" |
| [05:12:13] | [R]: | haha |
| [05:12:19] | darkdrgn2k: | OMG hes filming a webpage to upload onto youtube? |
| [05:12:30] | darkdrgn2k: | ever heard of screen cap software? |
| [05:13:32] | [R]: | the best part of thata video is he acts like no one knows or cares about that phone |
| [05:13:37] | [R]: | but thats all people can talk about on android forums |
| [05:14:14] | darkdrgn2k: | cause all his un-educated friends are raving about their new iphones |
| [05:14:28] | darkdrgn2k: | and if THEY are talking about it.. every one else must be too |
| [05:14:46] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:14:50] | darkdrgn2k: | LOL this basically a bad narration of the htc website... |
| [05:15:04] | wagnerrp: | why are all these prepubescent boys posting videos about phones on youtube? |
| [05:15:24] | [R]: | i'm watching another unboxing of the iphone |
| [05:15:24] | darkdrgn2k: | because thye wanna be as l33t as engaget |
| [05:15:28] | [R]: | and its making me naucious |
| [05:15:38] | [R]: | why does NO ONE know how to keep a camera still |
| [05:15:59] | darkdrgn2k: | cause they are using their old phone to video their new phone! |
| [05:16:09] | wagnerrp: | go run around in the woods, get be-be guns, get paintball guns, skateboard, surf, build forts |
| [05:16:21] | wagnerrp: | be the general delinquent that boys are /supposed/ to be |
| [05:16:39] | wagnerrp: | stop being dorks posting worthless videos on youtube |
| [05:16:49] | darkdrgn2k: | anywa im off |
| [05:17:01] | darkdrgn2k: | if the backend flips out again ill try to grab more info on whats going on |
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| [05:18:57] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: dont the perl bindings already have some ffmpeg info utility? |
| [05:24:10] | [R]: | man |
| [05:24:14] | [R]: | i hate being a trendy ahole |
| [05:24:19] | [R]: | but i really want this htc thunderbolt |
| [05:26:08] | Beirdo: | they call out to mplayer for info |
| [05:26:59] | Beirdo: | and mplayer will use ffmpeg libs if appropriate (or forced to by incomplete data) |
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| [05:29:37] | Beirdo: | heh. Tomorrow's gonna be... unproductive |
| [05:29:56] | Beirdo: | meeting, meeting, meeting, lunch, interview, meeting. |
| [05:30:16] | [R]: | oh FFS |
| [05:30:24] | [R]: | i have a meeting at 930 tomorrow |
| [05:30:34] | Beirdo: | yeah, my first one's at 9:30 |
| [05:30:44] | Beirdo: | and I'm usually there for 10 |
| [05:30:52] | [R]: | what happened to the good old days of afternoon meetings |
| [05:31:02] | Beirdo: | meh |
| [05:31:25] | Beirdo: | I'd rather have none at all, but it doesn't work that way |
| [05:31:51] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:32:59] | kormoc: | darkdrgn2k, all the extra pins on the iphone connector are dead. They're for extras and they didn't want a bunch of blanks where pins should be |
| [05:34:55] | [R]: | wtf |
| [05:34:58] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, Aye, it's a cool feature |
| [05:35:04] | [R]: | some show... the commerical... this chick said shes addicted to laxatives |
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| [05:38:04] | kormoc: | [R], sounds like fun to me! |
| [05:38:13] | [R]: | haha |
| [05:38:24] | [R]: | but woudn't they evetnaully just not do anyting? |
| [05:38:37] | [R]: | i assume it would make you really dehydrated |
| [05:38:44] | kormoc: | [R], well, if you're really into heroin and you take laxatives at the same time, you're golden! |
| [05:39:09] | [R]: | why that combo? what does heroin do to you? |
| [05:39:52] | kormoc: | constipate you |
| [05:40:05] | wagnerrp: | but youre on heroin, you dont care |
| [05:40:12] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:40:35] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, you do when you run out of heroin! |
| [05:44:38] | wagnerrp: | foolish people, writing and distributing scripts that only function on broken mythtv installs |
| [05:45:26] | Beirdo: | they must be on crack |
| [05:46:14] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, I was requested recently to do binding packages. I'm thinking that's a good idea. Any thoughts on why we wouldn't want to? |
| [05:46:24] | [R]: | wagnerrp: well unless the point was to fix the brokenness... |
| [05:47:06] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: none i can think of |
| [05:47:21] | wagnerrp: | i can throw together an ebuild tonight if you wish |
| [05:47:41] | kormoc: | That would be awesome |
| [05:47:57] | wagnerrp: | got a name picked out? |
| [05:48:31] | kormoc: | nope, have any suggestions? |
| [05:48:52] | wagnerrp: | fantastic... events are finally working |
| [05:49:46] | wagnerrp: | dev-python/mythtv ? |
| [05:50:01] | wagnerrp: | dev-python/py-mythtv ? |
| [05:50:54] | kormoc: | dev-python/mythtv makes sense to me, dev-perl/mythtv and dev-php/mythtv would make perfect sense |
| [05:51:11] | wagnerrp: | actually, wouldnt those conflict with media-tv/mythtv? |
| [05:51:17] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [05:51:24] | wagnerrp: | preventing one from 'emerge mythtv' |
| [05:51:27] | kormoc: | Yeah |
| [05:51:33] | kormoc: | it'd have to be fully qualitifed |
| [05:51:43] | kormoc: | could do dev-python/mythtvBindings or similar |
| [05:51:55] | kormoc: | dev-lang/mythbindings ? |
| [05:52:11] | wagnerrp: | then you would still have to have fully qualified names for those |
| [05:52:31] | wagnerrp: | since they would conflict with each other |
| [05:52:34] | kormoc: | we could just do media-tv/mythbindings with use flags for per language |
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| [05:52:59] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i like that plan |
| [05:53:25] | wagnerrp: | make it mutually exclusive with media-tv/mythtv itself |
| [05:54:06] | kormoc: | Yeah, then things like nuvexport could depend on mythtv or mythbindings +perl and it'd just work |
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| [05:55:05] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: will nuvexport still work without mythffmpeg? |
| [05:55:27] | kormoc: | well, fine, mythweb :) |
| [05:55:28] | Beirdo: | not in ffmpeg mode |
| [05:55:51] | kormoc: | any chance we could build just mythffmpeg and nothing else? |
| [05:55:53] | wagnerrp: | ooh, ufo |
| [05:56:12] | Beirdo: | if you REALLY want to |
| [05:56:29] | kormoc: | Beirdo, well doesn't nuvexport stream via mythproto now? |
| [05:56:31] | Beirdo: | but, really, it's like 4 or 5 files in addition to the huge libs |
| [05:56:37] | Beirdo: | no |
| [05:56:41] | kormoc: | ahh, whoops |
| [05:56:56] | Beirdo: | we use mythtranscode in fifo mode to get raw video, PCM audio |
| [05:57:02] | kormoc: | fair 'nuff |
| [05:57:29] | Beirdo: | nuvexport basically is useless without mythtv :) |
| [05:58:38] | wagnerrp: | well that was odd |
| [05:58:53] | wagnerrp: | never seen an airliner come in on that approach pattern before |
| [05:59:11] | wagnerrp: | wonder if he saw the highway lights, and mistook it for runway 27 |
| [05:59:56] | wagnerrp: | hes about 10mi off course if thats the case |
| [06:00:51] | wagnerrp: | crap... im going to have to flush my repository and pull |
| [06:00:54] | wagnerrp: | always forget how to do that |
| [06:01:46] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: is there any way to delete all untracked files? |
| [06:03:38] | wagnerrp: | git clean it seems |
| [06:03:48] | kormoc: | Funny number thing. ! day in seconds is 86400 and one week is 604800. Same numbers, one extra 0 for a *7 operation. |
| [06:03:50] | Beirdo: | yeah, git clean |
| [06:04:04] | Beirdo: | it will delete untracked (and un-ignored) files |
| [06:07:32] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: what dependencies do you need for php? |
| [06:07:54] | wagnerrp: | i guess it would be the same as mythweb? |
| [06:10:27] | kormoc: | Yeah |
| [06:11:10] | nutron: | bbiab |
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| [06:15:11] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: im thinking it will be easiest to hard-code a makefile and config.mak |
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| [06:17:40] | kormoc: | sounds good to me |
| [06:17:51] | kormoc: | I'm thinking for nuvexport we should just sed it's make file for now |
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| [07:03:28] | wagnerrp: | stupid non-updated laptop |
| [07:03:41] | wagnerrp: | it wants me to build a new perl |
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| [07:06:10] | Beirdo: | oooh fun |
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| [07:16:48] | Beirdo: | stupid SSDP |
| [07:17:05] | Beirdo: | some QString crash in there still, seems to be rare |
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| [07:29:01] | Beirdo: | OK. The UPnP Video scanner will soon be toast |
| [07:29:04] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [07:30:24] | Beirdo: | I'm sure it can use some rework in there too, it only shows "All Videos" at the moment |
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| [07:32:24] | Beirdo: | and on that note, I think I'll head towards bed. |
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| [10:21:28] | esperegu: | anyone knows if dutch canal digitaal works pnp on mythtv? (any tutorial) |
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| [12:56:47] | esperegu: | anyone knows if dutch canal digitaal works pnp on mythtv? (maybe a tutorial?) |
| [13:09:11] | MMlosh: | Hi! Is it possible to match duplicate recordings by the title? |
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| [13:30:37] | MMlosh: | I withdraw my question.. It seems to work starting from tomorrow(even though it says "match by subtitle&description") |
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| [13:36:15] | MMlosh: | I withdraw my withdrawal... the guy who puts EPG data in kindly put different strings in the subtitle for upcomming serie |
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| [13:56:16] | maccco: | I need help to setup separate modes for gui and playback |
| [13:56:25] | maccco: | is there anyone that knows that function? |
| [13:58:46] | ** MMlosh know about checkbox with such caption.. ** | |
| [13:59:22] | maccco: | MMlosh: i simply can't make it work |
| [13:59:48] | MMlosh: | hmm.. I am the wrong guy.. I have no clue what is that useful for... |
| [13:59:50] | maccco: | i put a rule telling ti switch to 720x576 when input is 720x576 |
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| [14:02:31] | MMlosh: | hmm.. the only thing about mode switching that bothers me is the thing... when the TV switches from 4:3 to wide to 4:3, then the result is zoomed and screen setup preferences reset to values that look like the native display resolution, but leave huge areas hidden for an unknown reason) |
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| [16:52:17] | ** skd5aner looks around ** | |
| [16:52:39] | ** skd5aner sees only crickets and netsplits ** | |
| [16:53:32] | ** laga yawns ** | |
| [16:54:21] | ** wagnerrp gets pissed off at portage ** | |
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| [16:55:10] | wagnerrp: | it decided it need to rebuild perl last night |
| [16:55:16] | wagnerrp: | but didnt rebuild all the extra modules |
| [16:55:25] | wagnerrp: | so theyre listed as installed, but in the wrong place and non-functional |
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| [16:57:46] | wagnerrp: | kormoc_: ive got the 0.24 ebuild mostly working... just fiddling with some prereqs |
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| [17:10:36] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, snazzy |
| [17:11:35] | wagnerrp: | i struggled for the longest time over some code copied from the mythtv ebuild |
| [17:11:44] | wagnerrp: | 'use perl || do stuff' |
| [17:12:05] | wagnerrp: | i didnt realize that was reversed |
| [17:12:13] | wagnerrp: | i couldnt figure out why it wasnt trying to do anything |
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| [17:17:08] | kormoc: | hehe |
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| [17:26:51] | wagnerrp: | mythweb prefers the mysqli package right? |
| [17:26:59] | wagnerrp: | ive always just used mysql |
| [17:34:10] | kormoc: | Aye |
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| [17:52:37] | wagnerrp: | seems MPEG LA is starting up a patent pool to cover VP8 |
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| [17:57:16] | Beirdo: | not too surprising, really |
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| [18:04:37] | wagnerrp: | kormoc_afk: package added and ebuilds bumped |
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| [18:32:22] | jams: | kormor sphery_ : http://jmeyer.us/mythsettings_tool.patch work in progress but close to finished. |
| [18:32:32] | jams: | kormoc ^^ |
| [18:32:50] | kormoc: | sweetness! |
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| [18:34:54] | Beirdo: | what's that for? Just curious :) |
| [18:34:57] | jams: | no gui just commandline tool |
| [18:35:24] | jams: | [jams@ace mythsettingstool]$ ./mythsettingstool -h |
| [18:35:25] | jams: | -o [save|restore|clone|delete|list|diff|change_hostname] |
| [18:35:25] | jams: | -g group_name |
| [18:35:25] | jams: | -t table_name [limits operations to certains tables ] |
| [18:35:25] | jams: | --host hostname [srchost,desthost||host1,host2] |
| [18:35:33] | Beirdo: | neat |
| [18:35:48] | iamlindoro: | I'm not sure MythCoreContext is the right place for that stuff |
| [18:35:50] | jams: | yeah i have found it very useful |
| [18:36:45] | jams: | beats me, i just followed along with the rest of the settings/db stuff |
| [18:36:48] | iamlindoro: | and might want to make save/delete/etc. bool instead of void |
| [18:37:24] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, but what you're doing is something that will be done in very very narrow set of circumstances-- MCC is for things that will be done in nearly every window/corner of myth |
| [18:38:01] | iamlindoro: | ie, the other DB stuff is in mythcorecontext because nearly every part of myth needs to get and set settings-- but every part of myth doesn't need to manage frontend settingsc loning |
| [18:38:41] | iamlindoro: | If I/we/one wants to do that, they can and should just include mythdb.h and run the functions themselves |
| [18:38:44] | wagnerrp: | four seconds between a push and the message in #mythtv-commits |
| [18:38:45] | wagnerrp: | not bad |
| [18:38:48] | iamlindoro: | Which is not to say that this code isn't neat/useful, just my initial impression :) |
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| [18:39:31] | jams: | iamlindoro- yeah i first had it only in mythdb, but it had trouble linking and I didn't feel like messing with it |
| [18:39:42] | jams: | so i just followed along |
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| [19:06:27] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: i didnt think mythweb yet relied on the php bindings |
| [19:06:42] | kormoc: | 0.25 does |
| [19:06:42] | wagnerrp: | at least i dont have them installed on my webserver |
| [19:06:49] | kormoc: | you have a older version of -trunk then |
| [19:06:53] | wagnerrp: | must have... |
| [19:06:55] | kormoc: | xris moved the files over to the backend |
| [19:08:17] | wagnerrp: | ooh... looks like im still running the the old svn version |
| [19:08:22] | wagnerrp: | ... that cant be right can it? |
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| [19:08:30] | wagnerrp: | its been two months, the protocol has changed since then |
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| [19:09:36] | kormoc: | perhaps you disabled the protocol checking? |
| [19:09:44] | wagnerrp: | not intentionally |
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| [19:11:03] | wagnerrp: | yeah, my copy is dated back to nov. 23 |
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| [19:13:07] | sphery_: | wagnerrp: " No longer not working." ??? Does that mean we should close the ticket? http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9526#comment:5 |
| [19:13:49] | wagnerrp: | im more confused by this 'shuts down dns on remote' |
| [19:14:42] | iamlindoro: | Ugh, my least favorite remark to me of the day-- "How long with this take you to get done?" "Two or three days." "How long will it take if someone comes along and makes it your #1 priority?" |
| [19:14:48] | iamlindoro: | Two. To three. DAYS. |
| [19:15:25] | wagnerrp: | discussion from work? |
| [19:15:26] | iamlindoro: | As if I'm just intentionally stalling and going to my boss will make the answer different |
| [19:15:31] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [19:15:49] | sphery_: | iamlindoro: wouldn't the second answer be, "Two to three weeks?" |
| [19:15:55] | skd5aner: | lol, that's a frequent question I used to hear all the time |
| [19:15:56] | iamlindoro: | if only |
| [19:16:18] | sphery_: | obviously iamlindoro needs to study his Star Trek |
| [19:16:31] | sphery_: | Scottie's Law |
| [19:16:41] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: well its going to take 2–3 days regardless |
| [19:16:45] | skd5aner: | luckily, I don't do much initiative based work anymore – more strategic stuff now, so my deadlines are driven by a project's timeline |
| [19:16:57] | wagnerrp: | the boss factor just decides whether those 2 days are monday and tuesday, or saturday and sunday |
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| [19:17:13] | sphery_: | Scotty, it seems |
| [19:18:11] | iamlindoro: | Unfortunately, service minded person that I am, I have found a way to fudge something by the end of the day, which only encourages further bad behavior |
| [19:18:12] | wagnerrp: | sphery_: was that ever mentioned in TOS? |
| [19:18:22] | wagnerrp: | i remember it being in one of the TNG episodes |
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| [19:18:37] | ** wagnerrp pokes sphery ** | |
| [19:18:45] | wagnerrp: | hey, nothing there |
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| [19:21:16] | sphery_: | I don't remember where it was mentioned |
| [19:21:25] | sphery_: | may have been new stuff only--or one of the movies |
| [19:22:15] | wagnerrp: | scotty was teaching it to jordie |
| [19:22:31] | sphery_: | ahhh, that makes sense |
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| [19:25:35] | Beirdo: | how many #1 priorities can one have? |
| [19:26:05] | Beirdo: | one of the business wonks at work likes to make everything #1 priority, and just doesn't get that that makes no sense |
| [19:26:55] | iamlindoro: | The same jackass immediately went and opened a ticket and set the priority to 5 (out of a scale of 1–5, with 5 the highest) |
| [19:27:16] | ** Beirdo hands iamlindoro the ceremonial hockey stick ** | |
| [19:27:27] | Beirdo: | go realign his priorities :) |
| [19:27:33] | iamlindoro: | heh |
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| [19:28:00] | Beirdo: | I think it's just the way things work... we always have at least one bunghole like that around |
| [19:29:23] | Beirdo: | go, kormoc :) |
| [19:29:36] | Beirdo: | unifying the ebuild mess is a great goal |
| [19:30:06] | Beirdo: | how many variations are out there? 5 or 6? |
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| [19:32:05] | iamlindoro: | Every time kormoc destroys another ebuild, a spontaneous lightning storm appears and he adds its strength to his own |
| [19:32:36] | skd5aner: | kormoc is the hghlander? |
| [19:32:44] | skd5aner: | er, highlander |
| [19:33:14] | skd5aner: | things are starting to make sense now |
| [19:33:49] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [19:38:09] | iamlindoro: | Got $50 in free promotional gift cards to Newegg and have no idea of anything I want to spend them on |
| [19:38:17] | iamlindoro: | Guess I'll just keep them for a rainy day |
| [19:38:47] | Beirdo: | I'm sure something will come up. |
| [19:38:59] | Beirdo: | more drives or something, perhaps |
| [19:43:26] | iamlindoro: | I was trying to see if an HDHR is in the cards, but I think it might be better spent waiting for the prime |
| [19:43:34] | iamlindoro: | I don't really need more tuners right now anyway |
| [19:44:04] | Beirdo: | I could use a better antenna, but tuners, I'm good on, personally |
| [19:44:14] | Beirdo: | you get QAM? Nice |
| [19:44:20] | iamlindoro: | SiliconDust has seemed conspicuously quiet about when the prime will be out, it does feel like it's been an awful long time since (before Christmas) they announced they were within two weeks of pre-orders |
| [19:44:50] | Beirdo: | wonder if a container of them fell off the ship from China |
| [19:45:11] | iamlindoro: | I suspect the CableLabs stuff has for whatever reason slowed them down |
| [19:45:32] | iamlindoro: | When they announced they would take pre-orders imminently, they were a week from going to CL for final approval |
| [19:45:36] | iamlindoro: | and nothing since |
| [19:45:46] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: what email issues were you trying to fix/see in all of these related commits – http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commits/20 . . . /077725.html |
| [19:47:27] | Beirdo: | ahhh, we were trying to get the flow of email through the new server working correctly. It's not noteworthy for the changelog :) |
| [19:47:49] | esperegu: | anyone knows if dutch canal digitaal works pnp on mythtv? (maybe a tutorial?) |
| [19:48:01] | esperegu: | I can't seem to get it to work |
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| [19:48:33] | wagnerrp: | it should work just as well as anything else with PNP |
| [19:48:42] | wagnerrp: | video is video, mythtv doesnt care where you get it from |
| [19:48:57] | wagnerrp: | actually... |
| [19:49:02] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: I know it's not worth for changelog, but the mailman archive is what I use to find all the commits – so wasn't sure if it was missing some commit emails or something :) |
| [19:49:04] | wagnerrp: | do you mean picture-in-picture |
| [19:49:07] | wagnerrp: | or plug-and-play? |
| [19:49:14] | Beirdo: | skd5aner: sorry, no. :) |
| [19:49:30] | iamlindoro: | or uPnP |
| [19:49:35] | esperegu: | wagnerrp: I am trying to get the stream of the satellite on the screen first. |
| [19:49:42] | esperegu: | I can't seem to get the channeln |
| [19:49:44] | Beirdo: | it was to make sure the emails OUT would work in that case, and I think it did miss a couple emails that I then forced back out |
| [19:49:45] | esperegu: | channels |
| [19:49:56] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: cool, thanks – if you make major changes around that, or if you know of commit emails not going out correctly or something – mind nudging me just so I'm aware? :) |
| [19:50:26] | wagnerrp: | isnt canal encrypted with CI+? |
| [19:51:37] | esperegu: | wagnerrp: it's encrypted |
| [19:51:52] | Beirdo: | skd5aner: no problem. :) |
| [19:51:52] | esperegu: | wagnerrp: is that a problem? |
| [19:52:01] | skd5aner: | ty :) |
| [19:52:11] | wagnerrp: | looks like they switched to CAS7 about a year and a half ago |
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| [19:52:15] | wagnerrp: | which uses CI+ |
| [19:52:24] | wagnerrp: | there are currently no tuner cards capable of handling CI+ |
| [19:52:32] | esperegu: | wagnerrp: where you see that? |
| [19:52:49] | wagnerrp: | http://www.avforums.com/forums/satellite-tv/9 . . . -change.html |
| [19:52:51] | esperegu: | wagnerrp: there are not? how you suppose to watch it then? |
| [19:53:05] | AndyCap: | esperegu: with CI+ equipment |
| [19:53:12] | iamlindoro: | by purchasing one of their set top boxes or PVRs |
| [19:53:32] | iamlindoro: | which, if you want to use with myth by capturing the analog outputs, you can |
| [19:53:40] | esperegu: | iamlindoro: that's not gonna happen. |
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| [19:53:51] | iamlindoro: | Then you won't be watching any of their content :) |
| [19:54:01] | esperegu: | iamlindoro: what an asholes |
| [19:54:11] | iamlindoro: | esperegu: See channel rules, no profanity please |
| [19:54:24] | Beirdo: | even misspelled profanity :) |
| [19:54:26] | esperegu: | iamlindoro: how come those dedicated linux machines are able to play it then |
| [19:54:26] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:54:28] | wagnerrp: | does it still count if its misspelled? |
| [19:54:33] | esperegu: | Beirdo: lol |
| [19:54:36] | esperegu: | iamlindoro: sorry |
| [19:54:44] | iamlindoro: | esperegu: "those dedicated linux machines?" |
| [19:54:46] | wagnerrp: | esperegu: there are no dedicated linux machines, or even windows machines, capable of handling CI+ |
| [19:54:57] | wagnerrp: | because there are no tuner cards available to consumers capable of handling CI+ |
| [19:55:01] | esperegu: | wagnerrp: dreambox? |
| [19:55:11] | wagnerrp: | is not capable of handling CI+ |
| [19:55:11] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: of course there are dedicated linux machines capable of handling CI+ |
| [19:55:19] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: samsung tv's for instance. :P |
| [19:55:19] | wagnerrp: | CI+ is a DRM scheme |
| [19:55:33] | esperegu: | wagnerrp: in the satellite shop they said to me those boxes work with canal digitaal |
| [19:55:36] | AndyCap: | but they're not the machines he's looking for |
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| [19:55:41] | wagnerrp: | which means you must run licensed software and licensed hardware to access it |
| [19:55:58] | wagnerrp: | and your hardware and software must maintain control over said content until it is deleted |
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| [19:56:07] | wagnerrp: | mythtv will not work with DRM schemes |
| [19:56:19] | wagnerrp: | only conditional access schemes |
| [19:56:33] | wagnerrp: | and only those schemes where the tuner card handles it internally, and provides unencrypted content |
| [19:57:17] | wagnerrp: | in DRM schemes, the only way to get unencrypted content is to capture it over analog, from a set-top-box |
| [19:58:48] | esperegu: | wagnerrp: how can those dreamboxes play that content then? |
| [19:59:06] | wagnerrp: | probably illegally |
| [19:59:31] | esperegu: | wagnerrp: so you wanna say that they are forcing you to use it illigal? |
| [19:59:51] | wagnerrp: | no, canal+ is forcing you to use their hardware |
| [20:00:01] | esperegu: | wagnerrp: that's not gonna happen |
| [20:00:05] | wagnerrp: | or some other hardware that has been licensed and authorized to support CI+ |
| [20:00:39] | esperegu: | wagnerrp: I prefer it legal. but if they make that impossible and the illigal way makes it possible the only way foc me is illigal |
| [20:00:40] | esperegu: | :-( |
| [20:00:51] | skd5aner: | aren't the dreamboxes the same thing as the old "dbox" support that was removed a few years ago from MythTV? |
| [20:01:00] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [20:01:16] | skd5aner: | thought so |
| [20:01:45] | esperegu: | skd5aner: is that still working? |
| [20:01:59] | sphery_: | "removed a few years ago from MythTV" |
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| [20:02:12] | sphery_: | should explain sufficiently |
| [20:02:13] | wagnerrp: | it was removed because 90% of their use was people using them to illegal access DVB-S they hadnt subscribed to |
| [20:02:17] | skd5aner: | esperegu: well, the rules of the channel are that we don't discuss any "illegal" methods, sorry... and no, dbox support was removed a few versions ago |
| [20:02:30] | sphery_: | and the code was old and broken, too |
| [20:02:43] | iamlindoro: | and had no devs which could test it, which was the crux |
| [20:02:46] | skd5aner: | yea, it hadn't been updated for years before it was even removed |
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| [20:03:17] | iamlindoro: | Dell needs to hire someone from Apple to teach them about packaging |
| [20:03:37] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:03:55] | skd5aner: | esperegu: trust me, almost all of us in here can at least understand your pain... many of us are afflicted with the fact that content is locked down or DRM, but we all have to play within the rules and limits of what's possible – legally |
| [20:03:59] | wagnerrp: | esperegu: the key issue is that if you can access it from outside their control scheme, you can access it without a subscription |
| [20:04:10] | iamlindoro: | It's funny to get a shipment of macbook pros in their gorgeous slimline full color modern packaging, and simutaneously get my free Dell Mini 10 in its crap cardboard junk box, with all the parts wrapped in plastic |
| [20:04:11] | wagnerrp: | and thats something mythtv will never support |
| [20:04:15] | skd5aner: | otherwise, mythtv becomes a target and we don't get to use it at all – or worse, devs get sued |
| [20:04:48] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: yeah, I hear ya. Apple's always been good at industrial design and packaging |
| [20:05:29] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: It also doesn't hurt that I have to wipe out the drive on every Dell I get to make it usable, and there's no crapware installed on a mac at all-- it's perfectly clean out of the box |
| [20:05:54] | wagnerrp: | meh, ill take rubberized black over glossy white every day |
| [20:06:01] | esperegu: | wagnerrp / skd5aner: you can get a dreambox with all encrypted channels in a satellite shop. but I don't want that I want to use mythtv. |
| [20:06:30] | Beirdo: | there is that too. |
| [20:06:41] | esperegu: | you can't be serious that you guys don't use mythtv with those channels. |
| [20:06:51] | skd5aner: | then you might want to look at something like the HD-PVR to record off your existing CANAL provided STB via analog ports like Component (HD capable) |
| [20:07:02] | wagnerrp: | most devs are in the US, with several more in england |
| [20:07:11] | wagnerrp: | there are only a handful scattered around europe |
| [20:07:15] | iamlindoro: | Dell Connect 2.1, Dell Dock Consumer, PC-Restore, Dim/Insp, Dell Movie Store, eBay WebSlice, DataSafe Local BackUp, Syncables Desktop Software for Minis, Skype VOIP Application, Dell Support Center Software 3.0, Windows Live Wave 4, Adobe Acrobat Reader 9.0 Multi-Language, McAfee Sapphire MUI, 30 Day, Microsoft Office Starter: reduced-functionality Word and Excel with ads. No PowerPoint or Outlook |
| [20:07:25] | iamlindoro: | I just cut and pasted those off the invoice |
| [20:07:27] | iamlindoro: | hilarious |
| [20:08:03] | skd5aner: | esperegu: most users in EU use DVB-T and some use DVB-S |
| [20:08:04] | uW: | wow thats funny. |
| [20:08:07] | wagnerrp: | ad supported word processor? |
| [20:08:16] | wagnerrp: | i didnt knew there was such a beast |
| [20:08:21] | uW: | with "reduced-funcionalilty" |
| [20:08:21] | iamlindoro: | evidently |
| [20:08:26] | iamlindoro: | I don't plan to experience it, but still |
| [20:08:31] | uW: | no spell check? |
| [20:08:39] | esperegu: | DVB-T sucks. I live in the middle of amsterdam and don't get a signal |
| [20:09:30] | iamlindoro: | Hard to blame that on the entire technology |
| [20:09:36] | iamlindoro: | tens of millions of people like it just fine |
| [20:10:05] | sphery_: | uW: you can't use 50% of the words in the language. You have to buy the upgrade to get the the rest of the words. |
| [20:10:24] | AndyCap: | uW: you need to buy the vowels |
| [20:10:28] | sphery_: | heh |
| [20:11:22] | AndyCap: | esperegu: anyhow, if you don't like canal kick them to the curb and stop giving them money. stick with the unencrypted channels |
| [20:11:46] | sphery_: | +1 |
| [20:12:07] | sphery_: | the /right/ fix isn't breaking the law--it's getting the provider to change policies to allow you to do what you want |
| [20:12:11] | esperegu: | AndyCap: they broadcast the free public channels |
| [20:12:15] | esperegu: | that's the whole thing |
| [20:12:21] | esperegu: | it's totally insane |
| [20:12:28] | esperegu: | we pay taxes for that |
| [20:12:29] | uW: | AndyCap: i'll take E for a 100 |
| [20:12:47] | AndyCap: | uW: they call it X now |
| [20:13:37] | sphery_: | taxes in Amsterdam pay for a French film and television studio and distributor? |
| [20:13:40] | uW: | lol |
| [20:13:41] | sphery_: | strange allocation of funds |
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| [20:14:20] | skd5aner: | sphery: who are you to question the socialist nature of The Netherland's tax distribution policies? |
| [20:14:41] | AndyCap: | sphery_: they must be smoking something |
| [20:14:42] | sphery_: | heh, sorry... as a non-resident, I'm wholly unqualified to critique. |
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| [20:25:31] | wagnerrp: | sphery_: do you think it would be better not to port the existing mythbackend to the modular protocol? |
| [20:25:40] | wagnerrp: | just do the split directly? |
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| [20:31:52] | skd5aner: | hmmm – this looks interesting: "This will be used by the MythFEXML http extension to inject actions directly into the UI without the need for keybindings " |
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| [20:49:56] | esperegu: | wagnerrp: skd5aner: you really think that mythtv would be a target if it could play that stuff? I think that for most people those dreambox like devices are much easier to get running. (and cheaper) |
| [20:52:39] | skd5aner: | esperegu: I'm just a user, but I can tell you that the question (and one's similiar to it) have been asked and answered time and time again... MythTV is free (as in speech and beer), but the developers have (wisely) chosen to always take the route of avoiding trouble related to things that could potentially be used to skirt DRM, laws, and terms of services... |
| [20:53:11] | skd5aner: | that said – it's open source, anyone can modify it as they see fit, and even fork it off and redistribute and take on the liability of the changes they put into place |
| [20:53:25] | skd5aner: | but none of the current devs, or "MythTV" as a whole wants to take on any form of that liability |
| [20:54:14] | skd5aner: | plus... none of the current devs who work on MythTV have the same situation as you, so even if all the above wasn't the case – there's no one to do the work |
| [20:55:19] | skd5aner: | also – MythTV is just a system that can schedule recordings and play them back – it doesn't natively support ANY kind of capture device or decryption – those are all done outside of MythTV. If linux supports it, generally, mythtv can often times consume it |
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| [20:56:23] | skd5aner: | so, you'd be better off asking why there are no CI+ capable cards out there that work with linux – once they exist, then mythtv would likely be able to use them |
| [20:56:41] | wagnerrp: | s/that work with linux// |
| [20:56:56] | wagnerrp: | there are no ci+ capable cards, period |
| [20:57:30] | skd5aner: | Like I said – you can just do what all the satellite folks in the US do, which is buy an HD-PVR and use it that way |
| [20:57:55] | Beirdo: | sphery_: you're dangling a _ |
| [20:58:02] | AndyCap: | wonder if they content mafia would find a CAM producing watermarked video acceptable |
| [20:58:15] | skd5aner: | (assuming the outputs on the Canal supplied box are compatible with the inputs of the HD-PVR) |
| [20:59:53] | skd5aner: | esperegu: and lastely – it's way easier (and usually cheaper up-front in most cases) to get *any* commercially available DVR/PVR working than it is to get a MythTV system up and running – it is definitely not a "budget" option |
| [21:00:17] | Beirdo: | not nearly as much fun though |
| [21:00:29] | skd5aner: | I know nothing about the dreambox itself, just mythtv |
| [21:01:32] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: theres nothing intrinsically wrong with the dreambox, it takes a CI module and supports tuning and video capture over usb2.0 |
| [21:01:40] | wagnerrp: | it effectively turns it into an external tuner box |
| [21:02:02] | wagnerrp: | the problem with the dreambox is that it runs linux, and the firmware is freely available and editable |
| [21:02:11] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: apart from an enormous market in grey and downright illegal software |
| [21:02:12] | wagnerrp: | meaning people can, and do, modify it with softcams |
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| [21:02:58] | wagnerrp: | the vast majority of its use is so people can get by with renting less, or no, CAMs from their provider |
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| [21:07:36] | skd5aner: | esperegu: FYI – http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/401165#401165 |
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| [21:08:36] | sphery: | Beirdo: heh, from the swerver switch a while back |
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| [21:09:01] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I like the idea of splitting sooner rather than later, so, yeah :) |
| [21:09:14] | esperegu: | skd5aner: thx |
| [21:10:30] | esperegu: | wagnerrp: yeah. but the problem is that they make it so hard that it's easier to do it illegal then legal |
| [21:11:31] | wagnerrp: | esperegu: sadly, thats what it has come to |
| [21:11:51] | wagnerrp: | however they really dont care about that segment, they really dont damage their bottom line |
| [21:12:19] | wagnerrp: | they just serve a purpose as an excuse for them to implement all this excessive DRM, which is really to control their paying customer base |
| [21:12:48] | wagnerrp: | that is the single biggest problem with all this content piracy, and none of them seem to understand or care |
| [21:15:43] | wagnerrp: | would the slave be one per machine? or one per tuner? |
| [21:16:29] | wagnerrp: | i guess easiest would just be to be the existing backend with all the housekeeper/jobqueue/scheduler stuff ripped out |
| [21:16:31] | skd5aner: | is this truly a UPnP change? http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commits/20 . . . /077805.html |
| [21:16:37] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: ^ thoughts? |
| [21:17:05] | skd5aner: | or something more to mythfrontend not related to UPnP? |
| [21:17:16] | sphery: | it's for future upnp stuff |
| [21:17:21] | sphery: | on the frontend |
| [21:17:35] | sphery: | i.e. frontend's becoming more and more of a upnp-capable client |
| [21:17:38] | wagnerrp: | its not explicitly for upnp, but the webserver is really designed to be used for upnp |
| [21:17:43] | skd5aner: | hmmm, just trying to figure out if I should call it out in the mythfrontend section of the changelog or in the UPnP section |
| [21:17:49] | wagnerrp: | its a generic page run using the upnp library |
| [21:17:58] | skd5aner: | I would lean towards MFE section |
| [21:18:16] | skd5aner: | you think? |
| [21:18:33] | sphery: | wagnerrp: So, does the dreambox with official firmware also download shared keys from the Internet, or is that only with alternative firmware? |
| [21:19:03] | Beirdo: | yeah, that's not really UPnP, just using the web servre |
| [21:19:05] | wagnerrp: | sphery: no, the official firmware does everything legally |
| [21:19:12] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [21:19:15] | wagnerrp: | (as far as i understand it) |
| [21:19:28] | Beirdo: | which really needs to be divorced from the UPnP stack more cleanly |
| [21:19:33] | sphery: | but it still uses softcam... guess that was just a cost-saving measure? |
| [21:19:54] | wagnerrp: | does it use a softcam internally? |
| [21:19:58] | AndyCap: | sphery: don't think there's a softcam there, except for maybe dreambox's own encryption |
| [21:20:07] | sphery: | per: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreambox |
| [21:20:20] | sphery: | All units support Dream's own DreamCrypt conditional access (CA) system, with software-emulated CA Modules (CAMs) available for many alternate CA systems. |
| [21:20:38] | sphery: | so maybe that just means "via 3rd-party firmware" |
| [21:20:47] | darkdrgn2k: | Odd , i have an HVR1600 and when recording analog i hear poping in the sound, even with no audio cables connected |
| [21:21:16] | sphery: | anyway, most evey page I find about the Dreambox labels it as "organized piracy" |
| [21:21:26] | Beirdo: | arrrr |
| [21:21:33] | sphery: | http://sawyertravel.blogspot.com/2011/01/sate . . . mbox-in.html + http://marketinghub.bayt.com/handpicked-artic . . . ttles-piracy |
| [21:21:38] | sphery: | many others |
| [21:21:38] | skd5aner: | Damn this is awesome – https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/107fcd22b |
| [21:21:42] | AndyCap: | sphery: not a gigantic engine of infringement? :P |
| [21:22:03] | sphery: | skd5aner: why? it's not even working properly and will probably be rewritten |
| [21:22:08] | darkdrgn2k: | sphery: yeh dreambox was used allot in the FTA era from what i know... primary because it was linux based :-P hackesr loved it |
| [21:22:27] | sphery: | but the idea will be useful once finished |
| [21:22:32] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i dont think dreambox themselves are doing anything illegal, and they void the warranty of anyone using these alternate firmwares and CAMs |
| [21:22:42] | sphery: | ahh |
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| [21:22:44] | wagnerrp: | i think its more like bittorrent, and similarly why we cant support it |
| [21:22:51] | wagnerrp: | it can be used for good |
| [21:22:55] | skd5aner: | sphery: even so, the functionality opens up some way cool things |
| [21:22:58] | sphery: | seems there are also tons of clones and stuff |
| [21:23:01] | wagnerrp: | but 95%+ is for illegal purposes |
| [21:23:09] | sphery: | and those tend to be bad |
| [21:23:40] | AndyCap: | sphery: Hehe, I can't get over the irony of people making dodgy firmware images complaining about clonse stealing dream multimedias ip |
| [21:23:43] | darkdrgn2k: | sphery: i really wish the "power that be" would give us more flexibility with their content, liek provide us with hardware cams! |
| [21:23:44] | skd5aner: | sphery: I don't necessarily mean it's "cool" in it's current form, but just IP control like that, especially the action control, is something I can definitely put to use |
| [21:24:12] | skd5aner: | sphery: would be great if some of the query commands fo the frontend network control is extended to HTTP |
| [21:24:21] | AndyCap: | are there any legit providers that have network controlled tuners? |
| [21:24:23] | skd5aner: | (if/when) |
| [21:24:47] | AndyCap: | home automation people would probably love that too |
| [21:24:53] | sphery: | skd5aner: yeah, the action control is specifically the one that's not working |
| [21:24:54] | darkdrgn2k: | AndyCap: Bell kinda does that now but its all propietary from their website.... |
| [21:25:08] | skd5aner: | AndyCap: that's me, I'm getting into some home automation stuff as we speak |
| [21:25:14] | sphery: | i.e. the whole action processing system needs reworked to support the idea markk was going for |
| [21:25:39] | skd5aner: | AndyCap: some of DirecTV's newer STBs are HTTP controlled, and there are several TVs as well |
| [21:25:45] | darkdrgn2k: | soo any one have any idea why the HVR1600 would be POPIN when it comes to recording audio |
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| [21:26:14] | skd5aner: | AndyCap: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Controlling_DirecT . . . _via_Network |
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| [21:26:52] | darkdrgn2k: | hmm i wonder if the bell receivers can be reversed engeneared when it comes to their internet connectivity |
| [21:27:42] | skd5aner: | But, for example... the maker of the remote I use has the capability to use HTTP to send/query, and I'd be more than happy to write support for the remote if MythTV has the capability to leverage HTTP get/send commands |
| [21:28:18] | skd5aner: | So, the remote could just connect to the network as a node, issue commands, without needing LIRC, etc |
| [21:28:42] | wagnerrp: | are you saying using your STB as an IR input? |
| [21:29:11] | skd5aner: | and, if it were able to query, similiar to the frotnend control socket, the remote could dynamically present menus and buttons on the remote based on the current status of the frontend |
| [21:29:27] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: me? |
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| [21:30:03] | wagnerrp: | im just wondering what you would do with http control of a receiver, beside a channel change script |
| [21:30:20] | skd5aner: | get rid of LIRC |
| [21:30:27] | skd5aner: | send "UP" via HTTP |
| [21:30:44] | wagnerrp: | but mythtv never sends 'up' anywhere |
| [21:30:54] | wagnerrp: | it sends '4' |
| [21:31:02] | wagnerrp: | or '7' |
| [21:31:06] | wagnerrp: | or... |
| [21:31:07] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: I think we're talking 2 different things... |
| [21:31:40] | skd5aner: | I'm referring to the changes Markk is experimenting with |
| [21:31:47] | skd5aner: | for sending actions to the FE via HTTP |
| [21:31:55] | skd5aner: | http://mythfrontend-ip:6547/MythFE/SendAction?action=UP |
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| [21:32:19] | wagnerrp: | meaning you would be using your STB as an IR receiver, sending the commands to mythtv |
| [21:32:25] | skd5aner: | Nope... |
| [21:32:35] | ** wagnerrp just doesnt get it ** | |
| [21:32:38] | skd5aner: | I didn't bring up an STB |
| [21:32:51] | wagnerrp: | oh... someone else mentioned 'bell receiver' |
| [21:32:55] | wagnerrp: | yeah, completely unrelated |
| [21:33:02] | skd5aner: | heh |
| [21:33:21] | wagnerrp: | ignore my babbling |
| [21:33:25] | darkdrgn2k: | wagnerrp: sorry that be me :-P |
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| [21:33:39] | darkdrgn2k: | confusing ppl with my blabbing again |
| [21:33:40] | skd5aner: | To me, the cool part would be having a remote that is smart enough to always know what is going on in MythTV and displaying it accordingly on the display – could also work well with smartphones and tablets |
| [21:33:45] | Beirdo: | ding-a-ling |
| [21:34:01] | Beirdo: | I'm so glad not to deal with Bell Canada anymore |
| [21:34:17] | darkdrgn2k: | Beirdo: who do you deal/w |
| [21:34:17] | skd5aner: | kind of like the concept of the UPnP remotes that never really materialized |
| [21:34:35] | Beirdo: | Qwest (puke) for phone/internet, DirecTV for TV :) |
| [21:34:47] | laga: | Beirdo: you back in canada? |
| [21:34:48] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: sure they did, its just each manufacturer has decided to go with their own proprietary interface |
| [21:34:53] | Beirdo: | laga: nope |
| [21:34:55] | wagnerrp: | rather than develop something universal |
| [21:34:56] | Beirdo: | Seattle |
| [21:34:58] | darkdrgn2k: | Beirdo: *sigh* im still in kanada |
| [21:35:04] | darkdrgn2k: | deaing with Bell |
| [21:35:13] | skd5aner: | well, I know that Nevo did come out with one that used the actual spec, but it didn't last long |
| [21:35:18] | darkdrgn2k: | every time im on the phone with them i tell them to change their slogan... its false advertising |
| [21:35:19] | Beirdo: | Could be worse... Could be Telus |
| [21:35:21] | darkdrgn2k: | Bell... Making is Simple |
| [21:35:25] | skd5aner: | The Nevo SL I believe |
| [21:35:25] | wagnerrp: | theres an actual spec? |
| [21:35:35] | darkdrgn2k: | Beirdo: true i deal with them too out west |
| [21:36:22] | darkdrgn2k: | swoooo hvr popnnin,.. no one? |
| [21:36:53] | wagnerrp: | analog? digital? |
| [21:37:02] | darkdrgn2k: | analog audio in put records popin |
| [21:37:09] | darkdrgn2k: | even if no analog audio is connected |
| [21:37:13] | darkdrgn2k: | (unpluged the cables) |
| [21:37:37] | wagnerrp: | noisy computer, poor IO shield around the tuner |
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| [21:37:52] | darkdrgn2k: | hmm |
| [21:38:22] | darkdrgn2k: | if a backend slave is recording to local harddrive |
| [21:38:26] | darkdrgn2k: | can i shutdown the master? |
| [21:38:29] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [21:38:37] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: I think so – maybe this is it? http://www.upnp.org/specs/ra/UPnP-ra-RAArchitecture-v1.pdf |
| [21:38:39] | darkdrgn2k: | dam.. gatta wait for recording to finish |
| [21:39:00] | wagnerrp: | i think the slave is supposed to continue recording until the end of the current program |
| [21:39:03] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: err no, that's "remote access" |
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| [21:39:07] | wagnerrp: | but i really dont know what would happen |
| [21:39:23] | darkdrgn2k: | lol |
| [21:40:08] | sphery: | slaves should continue recording currently-recording programs |
| [21:40:10] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: here it is – http://www.ce.org/Standards/browseByCommittee_2757.asp |
| [21:40:12] | sphery: | they won't start new recordings, though |
| [21:40:55] | sphery: | and if you lose the DB (i.e. you shut down the machine with the mbe and it hosts the MySQL DB), you'll also mess up seektables and possibly more |
| [21:41:24] | sphery: | and remote backend likely won't re-connect to master when it's restarted |
| [21:41:27] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: for $300, you can too read how to implement a spec :S |
| [21:41:29] | sphery: | (nor reconnect to db) |
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| [21:52:19] | Myles: | hey everyone |
| [21:52:58] | Myles: | I'm having focus issues w/fluxbx can som1 help me |
| [21:53:02] | Myles: | ? |
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| [21:53:31] | skd5aner: | !seen RDV_Linux |
| [21:53:31] | MythLogBot: | RDV_Linux is here and has been idle for 6 hours 31 minutes 14 seconds |
| [21:53:38] | wagnerrp: | what kind of focus issues? |
| [21:53:43] | skd5aner: | RDV_Linux: ping? |
| [21:54:41] | ** J-e-f-f-A wears glasses sometimes so things are more in focus. ;-) ** | |
| [21:54:43] | Myles: | wagnerr i can be watching tv leave it for a while (the box) on tv and myth stops taking any input |
| [21:54:58] | wagnerrp: | but its still playing? |
| [21:55:03] | Myles: | yeah |
| [21:55:21] | wagnerrp: | can you open irw and see if its picking up events from the remote? |
| [21:55:24] | skd5aner: | is it truly a focus issue, or something else that's eating the commands? |
| [21:55:33] | wagnerrp: | focus issues should only matter if youre using a keyboard |
| [21:55:34] | skd5aner: | ... and does it work from a keyboard? |
| [21:55:34] | Myles: | irw takes cmds |
| [21:55:59] | Myles: | no the fe isnt taking kb press either |
| [21:56:21] | Myles: | when it stops working thats |
| [21:56:28] | Myles: | that is* |
| [21:56:32] | wagnerrp: | sounds like the code is caught locked somewhere that is preventing it from handling UI events |
| [21:56:37] | skd5aner: | does the machine respond at all to ANY input? |
| [21:56:45] | skd5aner: | like, can you alt-tab or anything? |
| [21:56:51] | skd5aner: | or move a mouse cursor? |
| [21:57:01] | Myles: | yah i can kill and relaunch FE via terminal |
| [21:57:12] | Myles: | Alt+F1 |
| [21:57:36] | Myles: | the window manager sees fine |
| [21:57:41] | Myles: | just myth |
| [21:57:48] | Myles: | doesnt |
| [21:59:25] | sphery: | Myles: what version of MythTV? Are you running -fixes? |
| [21:59:46] | Myles: | yeah most recent .23 |
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| [21:59:51] | sphery: | there are known issues with a couple of dialogs (more in 0.23-fixes) that will result in mythfrontend refusing to accept input |
| [22:00:24] | sphery: | dialogs like "all tuners busy" or, in 0.23, just using the SCREENSHOT key binding |
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| [22:00:52] | sphery: | and, IIRC, the Live TV "this tuner is needed for a recording" also does the same |
| [22:01:15] | sphery: | I don't /think/ it's a focus issue--meaning if you do anything to re-focus the app, it will still refuse to accept input |
| [22:01:27] | Myles: | i was on 24 but it was far too bugy and i need to be able to change osd as i have bad eyes |
| [22:01:50] | skd5aner: | markk amazes me, because at any given day to the next, he could be committing complex code changes/improvements/additions related to 10 different, unrelated things |
| [22:01:52] | sphery: | so, test to see if it refuses input afer re-focusing it, and if not, the problem isn't focus, but bugs |
| [22:02:07] | sphery: | and your best bet is to never leave the Live TV running |
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| [22:02:28] | Myles: | well i pause it to go to the casn |
| [22:02:29] | skd5aner: | sphery: :P |
| [22:02:36] | Myles: | can* |
| [22:02:51] | skd5aner: | "don't leave live tv running" is a "best bet"? |
| [22:02:59] | skd5aner: | come on, you can do better |
| [22:03:16] | Myles: | in fact i couldnt even pause last nite |
| [22:03:35] | Myles: | how do i re-focus just alt+tab |
| [22:03:40] | Myles: | ? |
| [22:03:49] | skd5aner: | depends if it's actually losing focus |
| [22:04:22] | skd5aner: | for me, I have to use my mouse |
| [22:04:38] | skd5aner: | but my system is confusing and I'm pretty ignorant about linux window managers |
| [22:04:53] | skd5aner: | alt-tab might work too |
| [22:05:13] | Myles: | what about eliminating a window manager |
| [22:05:20] | Myles: | all together |
| [22:05:22] | skd5aner: | I don't think that's recommend |
| [22:05:28] | Myles: | ok |
| [22:05:43] | Myles: | could it be my setup |
| [22:05:45] | Myles: | ? |
| [22:05:52] | skd5aner: | Myles: I uses a very basic WM – fvwm |
| [22:06:10] | Myles: | i use fluxbox |
| [22:06:39] | Myles: | i'm not sure if tis fvwm |
| [22:07:53] | Myles: | i'm fairly certain its a focus issue as dialogs have never given me probs |
| [22:07:55] | skd5aner: | Myles: sorry, I don't know anything about fluxbox |
| [22:09:02] | Myles: | should i install fvwm and see what happens |
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| [22:11:42] | sphery: | Myles: re-focusing depends on your configuration. If you've defined Alt-Tab in .fluxbox/keys, you can use it (though there's not really feedback on where focus is), if you use sloppy mouse focus, you can move mouse outside of frontend window then back to it, otherwise, you may need to click the window, which may not work with a video window... |
| [22:11:59] | sphery: | if you want one where you can't really break focus, try RatPoison |
| [22:12:07] | sphery: | then see if it does the same |
| [22:12:16] | sphery: | skd5aner: other best option is for him to make the patch that fixes the bug |
| [22:12:27] | sphery: | :) |
| [22:13:07] | skd5aner: | sphery: there you go, that's more like it ;) |
| [22:13:25] | Myles: | how does ratpoison stop focus breaking |
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| [22:13:55] | sphery: | because it always gives focus to the top window, which, with default config, is always full screen |
| [22:13:56] | skd5aner: | Myles: from my experience, it's likely not a bug in MythTV and you should be able to leave Live TV playing for as long as you want (at least in current 0.24-fixes) |
| [22:14:34] | Myles: | and same w/23 cuz the day b4 yesterday it was fine |
| [22:14:56] | Myles: | i'm convinced its a focus issue |
| [22:14:56] | sphery: | skd5aner: /you should be able to/skd5aner is able to/ |
| [22:15:11] | skd5aner: | probably an issue with your wm (or something else launched?) or some kind of freeze/lock going on (which could be a bug in mythtv) – but definitely not something I see as you've described it |
| [22:15:25] | sphery: | i.e. if you never get the "this tuner is needed for a recording", you wouldn't hit the place where I've heard there may be a bug, but someone with only one tuner would |
| [22:15:36] | skd5aner: | sphery: true |
| [22:15:43] | sphery: | I still don't think it's a focus issue |
| [22:16:02] | Myles: | i've hit this tuner is needed but never had an issue |
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| [22:16:14] | skd5aner: | Myles: let us kno what you find out either way |
| [22:16:20] | sphery: | but it could be if you have some non-Fluxbox "desktop" garbage installed that pops up windows on top of your playing video |
| [22:16:38] | Myles: | rox-filer |
| [22:16:46] | Myles: | and the pinboard |
| [22:16:52] | skd5aner: | yea, exactly |
| [22:17:24] | Myles: | maybe i'll try disabling the pinboard |
| [22:17:43] | Myles: | it was just for ez acess to folders |
| [22:17:50] | skd5aner: | do you use this as a desktop at all, or just a PVR to only watch TV? |
| [22:17:50] | Myles: | access* |
| [22:18:43] | Myles: | just a pvr i mean i web browse via FF during the day but i usually shut all that down b4 starting myth |
| [22:19:09] | Myles: | but its not a desktop by any normal construct |
| [22:19:39] | Myles: | it just has FF for looking up myth related stuff |
| [22:19:55] | Myles: | and xchat for what we're doing now |
| [22:20:07] | skd5aner: | http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commits/20 . . . /077890.html – heh, I just noticed that the other day (during the super bowl, when I wanted to disable comm skip during the recording) :D |
| [22:20:59] | Myles: | if i can switch gears quckly |
| [22:21:26] | Myles: | are channel change scripts specific to a remote |
| [22:21:38] | Myles: | like model |
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| [22:23:48] | skd5aner: | Myles: yes, there are lirc configs specfic to a remote |
| [22:23:56] | skd5aner: | all of that takes place outside of mythtv |
| [22:24:07] | Myles: | no i know |
| [22:24:25] | skd5aner: | if you are talking about "channel change scripts" for an STB, then yes – those exist per model too |
| [22:24:35] | skd5aner: | most of those are on the mythtv wiki |
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| [22:25:50] | Myles: | yeah i found the one for my reciever but the lircd.conf doesnt work my tuners ir will only work w/its remote |
| [22:26:08] | Myles: | unless thats where a usb-uirt comes in |
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| [22:30:44] | Myles: | my stb doesnt have a serial port is an usb-uirt therefore moot? |
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| [22:33:07] | skd5aner: | what is the STB? |
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| [22:33:37] | Myles_: | a bell 6131/dish vip 311 |
| [22:33:43] | skd5aner: | some can be controlled via serial, some can be controlled via USB, some can be controlled with firewire, and some can be crontolled by HTTP |
| [22:33:54] | skd5aner: | for those who can do none of those, you need some form of IR blaster |
| [22:34:14] | Myles_: | it has a usb port |
| [22:34:47] | Myles_: | how can i test it |
| [22:34:57] | skd5aner: | google search |
| [22:34:59] | skd5aner: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/459277 |
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| [22:36:53] | skd5aner: | I'm not familiar with either of those STBs... so I'd only be able to find out the same way you could, which woudl be to enter the model numbers and LIRC OR MythTV in google |
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| [22:45:44] | Myles: | k thx all ttyall later |
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| [23:06:38] | MylesMan: | hey all again, I tried using the lirc channel perl script |
| [23:06:50] | MylesMan: | and live tv wont load |
| [23:07:52] | MylesMan: | it says soomething about a ring buffer |
| [23:08:18] | MylesMan: | and failing to get pginfo |
| [23:08:59] | skd5aner: | MylesMan: what version? |
| [23:09:08] | MylesMan: | but only when using an external script does this happen |
| [23:09:17] | MylesMan: | clarify plz |
| [23:09:24] | MylesMan: | version of what |
| [23:09:52] | MylesMan: | i got the script from myth wiki |
| [23:10:17] | MylesMan: | butt ubuntu docs list a specific link to one |
| [23:12:16] | skd5aner: | mythfrontend --version |
| [23:12:25] | MylesMan: | oh 23 |
| [23:12:32] | MylesMan: | latest 23 |
| [23:12:39] | skd5aner: | can you upgrade to 0.24-fixes? |
| [23:12:53] | skd5aner: | lots of live tv fixes since 0.23 |
| [23:13:00] | MylesMan: | too buggy for me |
| [23:13:06] | skd5aner: | which parts? |
| [23:13:36] | MylesMan: | more importantly than that i need a changeable osd |
| [23:13:54] | kisak: | oddly, 0.24-fixes has more problems than 0.23.1 here |
| [23:14:28] | MylesMan: | i'm not alone than? |
| [23:14:33] | MylesMan: | then* |
| [23:14:46] | kisak: | *for livetv |
| [23:14:55] | skd5aner: | hmmm, I suppose it depends – for me it's much better, but... I suppose it would depend on what "bugs" and "problems" you guys are referring to |
| [23:15:01] | kisak: | and transcoding, that's worse too |
| [23:15:28] | MylesMan: | well 24 was locking up loading livetv |
| [23:15:37] | MylesMan: | for me |
| [23:15:53] | skd5aner: | kisak: ah, I don't transcode – so no idea there... but for live tv, there were fixes commited within the last 2 days that have made live tv for me more stable than it's ever been... but there are other issues I have with Live TV, that were brought on with 0.24, but I've learned to work around them fairly easily |
| [23:16:16] | skd5aner: | Live TV in 0.24-fixes actually was broke for a few weeks |
| [23:16:22] | MylesMan: | it'd get stuck at please wait randomly |
| [23:16:35] | kisak: | I think it's related to https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/9250772 |
| [23:16:44] | skd5aner: | MylesMan: when did you try? If it was since like Jan 15, the yea, that just got fixed |
| [23:17:05] | MylesMan: | well i downgraded yesterday |
| [23:17:08] | skd5aner: | as for changing OSD, you can change the theme, and you'll get a new OSD |
| [23:17:22] | MylesMan: | that wasnt working |
| [23:17:34] | MylesMan: | it was always the black one |
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| [23:18:41] | kisak: | skd5aner: well, maybe it's time for me to bump the house to the newest 0.24-fixes |
| [23:19:16] | MylesMan: | is it easy to downgrade |
| [23:19:28] | MylesMan: | i'm using ubuntu |
| [23:20:07] | MylesMan: | and have never actually downgraded anything b4 lol |
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| [23:31:54] | skd5aner: | Actually, unless you do a db backup, mythtv doesn't officially support a downgrade option |
| [23:32:35] | skd5aner: | kisak: those changes that really helped to fix/improve live tv just went into fixes in the last 2 days |
| [23:32:44] | skd5aner: | so, it is very recent |
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| [23:33:26] | skd5aner: | there are some other deficiencies in Live TV that irk me, but oh well – I hope some day they'll get resolved and it works "good enough" for me now |
| [23:33:35] | skd5aner: | some are by design, so... |
| [23:33:54] | skd5aner: | got to run, good luck |
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| [23:34:41] | MylesMan: | hello all again......... |
| [23:35:14] | sphery: | agreed, if you do Live TV, you need MythTV from last Friday or newer |
| [23:35:52] | sphery: | and I have a feeling that anyone getting a "locked on Please Wait" doesn't have MythtV 0.24-fixes from last Friday or newer |
| [23:35:58] | skd5aner: | yup |
| [23:36:10] | skd5aner: | MylesMan, you missed a statement when you left aimed at you... |
| [23:36:23] | sphery: | (technically, if you tell mythtv to go to the guide immediately upon entering Live TV, you need an even newer version, so ...) |
| [23:36:28] | skd5aner: | MylesMan: " Actually, unless you do a db backup, mythtv doesn't officially support a downgrade option" |
| [23:36:31] | sphery: | something like Wednesday this week or better |
| [23:36:58] | skd5aner: | sphery: yes, basically easiest ot just say "latest" :) |
| [23:36:59] | GreyFoxx: | Sphery: Have you seen anyone mention a bug where, when you start playback, if you immediately queue up a few remote/keystrokes before the video actually starts then playback will lock up? |
| [23:37:09] | skd5aner: | GreyFoxx: that was fixed too |
| [23:37:21] | GreyFoxx: | I can consistantly, from the playbackbox hit play, hear audio and hit the remote and it locks before video shows |
| [23:37:22] | MylesMan: | was it |
| [23:37:23] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: yep, markk knows about it, but hasn't fixed it |
| [23:37:28] | GreyFoxx: | k |
| [23:37:36] | skd5aner: | sphery, GreyFoxx: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commits/20 . . . /077934.html |
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| [23:37:53] | sphery: | I think what skd5aner is thinking of is the fact that markk fixed Live TV starting when "start in guide" was enabled |
| [23:37:59] | skd5aner: | sphery, GreyFoxx: and http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commits/20 . . . /077936.html |
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| [23:38:11] | sphery: | which was handled by sending a fake key press immediately upon startup |
| [23:38:30] | skd5aner: | sphery: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/bb144de75 ? |
| [23:38:32] | sphery: | skd5aner: but if you /manually/ hit those keys... |
| [23:38:34] | skd5aner: | isn't that the fix? |
| [23:38:47] | GreyFoxx: | another thing I noticed that sometimes if I pause a recording, for more than a minute or so, when I hit play again it exits |
| [23:38:57] | MylesMan: | the one problem above all others thats ticking me off to no end, and was happening in both 23 & 24 was my backend starting b4 my tuner |
| [23:39:15] | GreyFoxx: | I've only noticed it since my last update 2 days ago, so I figured it must be newly introduced stuff :) |
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| [23:39:31] | MylesMan: | its a usb tuner |
| [23:39:37] | skd5aner: | GreyFoxx: interesting, I'll have to see if it's an issue I see as well |
| [23:39:42] | sphery: | skd5aner: I'm going off http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/471208#471208 |
| [23:39:48] | skd5aner: | anyway – I've really go to run, but woud like to stick around |
| [23:40:11] | MylesMan: | and no matter what i do i cant fix it |
| [23:40:35] | skd5aner: | sphery: maybe that's commit is what he's talking about? |
| [23:40:37] | sphery: | MylesMan: sleep 10 (or 20 or 100 or ...) :) |
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| [23:40:43] | sphery: | skd5aner: could be |
| [23:40:47] | GreyFoxx: | skd5: I've had it happen a half dozen times with recordings. I haven't played many non recordings in the last couple days so I'm not sure if it happens there as well |
| [23:40:55] | MylesMan: | sphery what? |
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| [23:41:02] | skd5aner: | sphery: either way, I've very greatful as the changes make a big impact (not to mention make it work again) :) |
| [23:41:03] | sphery: | best way to find out would be to have someone who can repro it (i.e. GreyFoxx ) test with ToT |
| [23:41:19] | MylesMan: | can u elaborate plz |
| [23:41:21] | skd5aner: | s/I've/I'm |
| [23:41:21] | GreyFoxx: | I should turn oup my debug output tonight since I know I can cause both to happen |
| [23:41:35] | sphery: | skd5aner: heh, yeah, I think you've motivated me to re-upgrade my systems just to get the playback-start-without-hammering-DB fix |
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| [23:41:44] | skd5aner: | heh :) |
| [23:41:57] | skd5aner: | alright – I've got a minor family crisis I need to attend to – have a good weekend! |
| [23:42:06] | GreyFoxx: | later :) |
| [23:42:07] | sphery: | as soon as I saw that go into 0.24-fixes, I knew I'd have to upgrade soon |
| [23:42:40] | MylesMan: | sphery what do u mean about sleep |
| [23:42:51] | Beirdo: | sleep? what's that? |
| [23:43:47] | sphery: | MylesMan: Put a sleep into the script that's starting mythbackend so that it waits before starting |
| [23:43:57] | ** GreyFoxx updates his FE ** | |
| [23:44:10] | sphery: | it's the dead-simple, always-works, but not-elegant approach to fixing a "backend starts before capture cards are ready" problem |
| [23:44:30] | sphery: | MylesMan: there's also other options, involving udev and upstart and waiting only as long as required |
| [23:45:06] | sphery: | MylesMan: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/469379#469379 and a few other recent threads about it |
| [23:45:16] | sphery: | but if nothing else, sleep |
| [23:45:23] | MylesMan: | i'll use sleep |
| [23:45:52] | MylesMan: | where would the script be init.d right |
| [23:47:35] | sphery: | could be... with *buntu + upstart, though, it may not be a script |
| [23:47:58] | sphery: | "We don't need no stinkin' scripts!" (says some upstart in the startup field) |
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| [23:55:56] | GreyFoxx: | 2011-02–11 19:53:48.846 MythSocket::connect fd14:6bf7:21fb::24 – 6543 |
| [23:55:56] | GreyFoxx: | 2011-02–11 19:53:48.848 Using protocol version 64 |
| [23:56:06] | GreyFoxx: | Hehe thatjust tickles me everytime I see it hehe |
| [23:59:20] | sphery: | heh |
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| [23:59:57] | iamlindoro: | Funny, IPv6 makes me cringe every time I see it ;) |
| [23:59:59] | sphery: | I'm still in the dark ages... Sitting at the kid's IP tables. |
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